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To some who have voiced considering the BNP and similar groups, I consider this moving from one extreme to another. This is not the way forward. Britain has enviable values and we mustn't lose them. For quite a while now I have noticed our country get bad to worse and Im utterly fed up, and hence left to work abroad. Our politicians don't represent us anymore. False promises and their in. I really hope we get a more representative party with middle of the road policies and one which stops throwing our tax money to those who have and most probably will never contribute to the system. Im not against immigration but this has gone out of hand - its utter madness.
Don't you hate how this government gives tax payers money away so freely to residents of other countries!
Are we British allowed these benefits in all EU countries should we decide to plonk ourselves in any one of them ?, or does this ruling only apply to people coming here. It would be great to live somewhere in France if they too supply these lovely benefits to all and sundry.
Is there any single benefit to us to belonging to the EU? Seriously, we always end up paying out huge amounts of money for this daft organisation - we haven't got the money for all these extra benefits surely!! Get us a referendum NOW!!
So now you know why they will never let you have a vote on the EU. Just wait till they start bringing in the massive populations of the Middle East & half of Africa? As for these people not being able to get benefits? They already have & continue to bleed this country dry whilst forcing down wages & forcing up housing costs.
This EU is ruining this country all these benefits being given willy nilly to all you choose to enter this country whether it's on the back of a lorry or other means, no wonder we have them all forming a nice queue in Calais waiting for their chance, no wonder Cameron has had to make so many cuts in jobs etc. i know Labour left us almost broke but now us British born and BRED are having to pay through the nose so that all the migrants can live the good life, i am glad i am getting to the age where another 20 years of life is not possible because i can see this country being the worst to live in.
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith _____________________________________________________________ So what are you doing about it Anne? Apart from spouting off on a website of course when you could be doing something constructive. - Chris, London, England, 3/3/2011 13:06 So what do YOU suggest Chris. There is not much we can do as individuals. We need a strong leader and I cannot see that happening. As soon as anyone dare try to stand up for his or her country they are called racist - fascists- little hitlers- thugs by the media and from that moment on their career has ended.
Box Ticker , we voted to join the "common market" a totally different animal to the EU. We were missled then & succesive governments have been hoodwinking us ever since. Now is the time for a referendum of our membership, we can`t be any worse off out of the EU. Switzerland & Norway do alright.
My Mum worked full time for many years, and was advised to pay a woman's stamp contributions, hence now she is retired and part of a couple receives £30 a week pension. I have a friend who contracted breast cancer in Australia and had to come back to live in Britain because they would not treat her there as she was English and had not contributed. If I go to another country I have to make sure I take out an insurance or I will get no healthcare, so why do we treat people from all around the world who have not contributed to our health system. When the NHS was founded it was just that a NATIONAL HEALTH SYSTEM NOT AN INTERNATIONAL HEALTH SYSTEM. With mass unemployment hence a drop in contributions these extra benefits and healthcare are coming out of the pockets of the British people, and we have not even been consulted about it!!
Said it before and I'll say it again : deduct all benefit payments from the EC contribution and add a hefty administration charge on top. Come on, Coalition and Opposition - speak up for what is right rather than just pay up.
How come these "Job seekers" from abroad are worth more than UK citizens that haven't been able to find work for years, however hard they have been trying? And we pay these incomeres twice the old age pension, to look for jobs that clearly don't exist, given the rising rate of unemployment. DC, you dug your heels on over votes for prisoners. Don't stop there. There even more important matters to throw back to Brussels.
VOTE BNP ! WE MUST !!!
Why do UK citizens (and taxpayers) have so much trouble claiming something when they fall on hard times such as unemployment, but we seem to fall over ourselves handing out money to people who have never paid 'into the pot'? It's a disgusting way to treat the people of this country.
But Brits are not allowed to sign on for work in Slovenia never mind claim benefits. If you own a house there you have to wait 5 years for residency or pay 20 per cent gains tax - unlike Slovenes who wait just 3 years. EU equality as we all know only applies to those coming to Britain - not we Brits.
It looks to me that the fools in EU headquarters are hell bent for the G-8 countries in there to leave. We have two options - IGNORE the stupid decrees from the EU or PULL OUT. Common sense must prevail. Take note, Both Germany and Austria have high unemployment, both countries also bailed out Banks that misused funds in wrong investments, both countries are also taxing the peoples to the hilt to pay for the mistakes of others and tolerance levels are on the brink of exploding. ITS HIGH TIME TO TELL THE EU dishing out money for NIL input will not work - this is only going to build up a dislike of foreigners.
We can have a referendum on voting, which many think is a waste of taxpayers money, while the British public are still being denied a say if we want to remain in the E.U. who if we stay in it much longer we will well and truly done for as a country. I suppose there are a few in government circles that keep us in as it helps to line their pockets, never mind joe public we do not count as we are just a number.
Benefits assessor- You are absolutley correct! I am a UK citizen born and bred. When I returned to this country after a few years living in Malta (an EU country), I found it necessary to claim a number of benefits. I was asked an astounding question by one benefits assessor "Why did I come to this country?"!! I can't tell you how angry I was at having to justify coming back to my own country!
If it makes DM readers fume with anger it can only be a good thing. All hail the EU!!!!
Amazing animal story !!! Weasel gets spine transplant ! ( Get the hint Dodgy Dave? )
Why did I fight for my country ? It is not my country anymore and I am ashamed of what the politicians have done. !
In the event of street protests and civil disorder across Great Britain, would Cameron do a Gadhaffi and set our own troops onto us? >>>>>- meridian, crewe: I asked a mate of mine who is a serving soldier this question and is answer was an unequivical, NO WAY! I don't believe the British people are strong enough to do this though, most of us sit there with a passive indifference to what is happening to this country. Complaining on forums like this is about as militant as we get!
Well I voted UKIP. What did you vote? LIB/LAB/CON,,,,,,,,more of the same. Continuing to do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result = insanity. Come on Barnsley, wake up! What does it take to get you angry? Cameron. "The Government believes that it is in this country's interests to be members of the EU." Brown. " We do not believe a referendum is necessary on the Lisbon Treaty" Cleggover. I love the EU and my pension depends on supporting it.
This is our tax that the EU and its subordinate - our government - is squandering on people who have contributed absolutely nothing to our economy nor do they have any historical or blood ties. We owe them nothing. Our government is surely now obligated to put continued membership of the EU to a referendum and the sooner the better.
The last few paragraphs of this article state that anyone can't just walk into this country and claim our benefits ..... That may be true , but can they claim " hardship allowance " ?....which could be the same as benefits under another name....!
And I have just been fined for late tax returns ..what to keep these immigrants on benefits think I will refuse to pay and go to jail instead
Just another way to get more money out of us taxpayers, to give to people who do absolutly nothing to earn it. Do the government really think these people will come here to look for work?? No - They will find a way to fool the system, get money out of our country and contribute nothing!
So,british can claim benefits in our country and immigrants in the uk can't? get out of eu than,we are tired of british parasites
Spain doesn't obey the EU rules on the vast majority of things and yet receives a lot more money from the piggy bank than the UK When are we going to learn?
Wouldnt it be wonderful if the middle class, so hated by any politician of ANY party, could just up stumps and move to a new country and run it themselves and sit back and see how clever Cameron, the EU, the ECHR and all the left wing nutters in Notting Hill were. This country needs a revolution and quite a few heads to roll...literally
Stop supplying documents in languages other than English. Insist that claims are filled out by the aplicant in the Jobseekers office in front of the clerk dealing with the application. All claimants should speak and write english, inability to do so should mean that they cannot work in this country so cannot apply for jobseekers allowance or any other benefit. It'll never happen, there isn't a minister or MP with the backbone to suggest it.
This country is just being given away to foreigners. Our national pride has gone. I sometimes wonder if we need somebody with the leadership powers of a dictator to put this country back on its feet. Our recent governments do not have a clue.
Thats it!!!! I'm 54 and unemployed. I worked 20 years and paid tax into this country. I dont care if I NEVER work again now!!!
If this is a EU ruling ,then why can`t you claim unemployment benifits in France. To claim unemployment in France you have had to have a job first then become unemployed, they do not pay unemployment benifit unless you have previously been in work in France.
Dont think that call me dave will do anything about this stupidity and boy clegg loves the e.u. as do most of the trough dwellers. The only way out is a revolution so that the will of the people prefails (stupid me thought that was the way so called democracy worked)
I thought it was migrants coming from outside the EU that are claiming our benefits and jumping the housing queue?
What has this country come too.. We're taxed to the hilt.. Can't afford to run a car any more. There's no jobs. housing problems. 17,000 forces made redundant, with no jobs to go to. But ok to let more immigrants come in and claim benefits. Benefits which even my own family can't get.. I see a riot on camerons & co hands.. Will he let me have a tax rebate... i doubt it..
And this would be one of the reasons I'm out of here as soon as I get my degree and find a suitable job away from this mad country. Everyone else takes what they can get so I'm doing the same. It's okay though because as the country continues to sink, stupid voters can keep voting idiots into power. When will you people wake up and smell the coffee. Why should the public suffer at the hands of nut jobs? I don't see a politician feeding his family with cheap crap food which has no real food value... I don't see them struggling to make ends meet and nor do I see them living in poor conditions like some of us have to. And considering there are no jobs per se, how is anyone expected to better themselves especially if we're giving everything away to every foreigner to hit our shores? Welcome to Britain, where our own people come last. Don't worry, we only pay for it all, but what do we know!
A national disgrace. Look after us first Dave and Nick!
I'm amazed at how ignorant the majority are on this forum. If you pay in to the system you are entitled to get something back, no matter where you come from. There are a lot of foreign workers over here paying tax to support British free loaders and no doubt foreign free loaders too. Its not just the UK who do this all EU countries do it. If we work abroad, we would be entitled to benefits in these countries too. Stop winging and bitching, its and even playing field. If you dont like it, move to a foreign country, work and claim their benefits . . . . Honestly +shakes head+
It is impossible in France to claim job seekers allowance unless you can speak FLUENT French. The UK needs to be OUT of the EU before it sinks under immigrants
LOL - look at them go!
The British fatcats paying them 4.0 £ / hour will welcome them !
From what I understand these Eastern Europeans can claim child benefit for their children even if they are not living here, and send the money back to their countries. Yet, British people who live and work abroad cannot claim the same same benefits for their British born children. This is disgraceful discrimination and how much longer are we going to stand for this. It basically means we have all become second class citizens in our own country, we need to boot all those traitors out of Parliament. Elect people who have the British people's best interest at heart, and then leave the European Union with no ifs, buts, or maybe's.
So this is why my widowed mother had to exist on a basic state pension?
Not powerless, just not willing to leave the EU! Tell them to get stuffed!
This is stupid and I am Czech! But the same is happening in my country! People from Romania and other countries are coming to stay because it is so easy to receive benefits! So inviting for them! I came to UK few years ago to study and work and learn english properly. I spent a lot of money on school and tax... Always respected the country's laws and culture... I felt as a guest and that's the way it should be. Unfortunately, I have to say, I am happy to leave UK now as I feel it is time to move on... And to defend my country, there is a tiny number of people from Czech republic in here, our country is beautiful and very well developed... UK should concentrate on people from other countries that come here in huge numbers and use this country for their benefit... with no respect or regard.
JUST GET US OUT NOW, ARE YOU LISTINING MR CAMERON
This nonsense would never have happened under Maggie, you are a traitor Cameron....- Mark B, London.....Well said.....I totally agree. She had more balls than the whole of this current lot put together.
Tens of millions? Try a figure in the billions by the time they've claimed all that's going. Never mind, we can always go the way of the Tories and make everybody pay for everything themselves. Living, health, education etc. And don't think it isn't going that way. Local surgeries turned into businesses with doctors bring in their commercial buddies, the economy being turned over to commercial moguls, and schools doing their own thing. The little tax payer ain't seen nuthin' yet, and isn't Mr. Murdoch doing well thanks to that nice Mr. Hunt.
Let's just get out of Europe and throw all illegals out.. . . . . . . We have had enough. . . . We are paying our taxes to every one except the true Brits who should get it. . . .
Most British people would vote no to the EU. Cameron knows this, that's why he won't give us a referendum. They call this democracy.
The Government should negotiate with the EU that any benefits paid in one country to a citizen of another are reimbursed by the home nation of the claimant. It won't stop claims but at least we would get our money back.
I am British living in Greece, if I return I am entitled to..........nothing, though I paid tax and N.I. for forty years. And contrary to common belief we abroad are not all entitled to heating allowance, not that I want it. Still rather be here though. I am convinced the EU is deliberately working against the interest's of British people. We have nothing in common with them, never have and never will. We should be OUT of the EU.
I want us to leave the EU. How can I get my MP to lobby parliament on this question. What do we have to do as a people to force this issue through ? We already know that marches don't work. We could all go on strike to make our point ? I think the only way we can do this is to hold our own EU Vote. I am sure there is a way of creating a website where people could register, perhaps using their national Insurance Number as a unique ID & then vote on this issue. Perhaps if parliament was presented with a nationwide vote they would have to take our wishes into account ?
A hundred thousand reasons for coming out of the abomination called the European Union.
The time has come to vote for a national british party if some one would start one up that is against violence.
We have got to stop this insanity asap, we have to get rid of all 3 predictables, who too are insane..This will finally finish this country of ours, the writing has been on the wall for too long..The revolution in the middle east will happen here sooner than many think..Unite, the BNP, UKIP, and the best of the EDL together, to rid us this rubbish in Wetminster.. Nobody in their right mind could ever believe this would happen to Britain, this could only be possible by the gutless emotionless wimps in Wetminster..They have no remorse for our dying nation, because it is they, who have driven the final nail into our coffin.....
Actually, they have been entitled to Housing and Council Tax Benefit from day one in this country since 2004 provided they were registered workers, and the only requirement for Child Benefit and Tax Credits is a National Insurance Number. This will only affect JSA , ESA + Income Support.. As for the Habitual Residency Test - it is an absolute joke! The only people it seems to stop from claiming are native brits returning to live in the UK after a period abroad.
What utter rubbish. Our so-called govt can do what the hell it likes, just as the French are wont to do. Impose a complete bn on all new non UK born claimants from 1st April, then tell Brussells to go whistle. The sumsequent court case, appeal, counter appeal ect will go on for yearsby which time we will be totally bankrupt an no-one will want to come here. Simples!
...after working for 44 years,i as a british citizen can not get or is entitled to job seekers allowance...so you tell me how these people are going to get it...they are not...end of!
In the event of street protests and civil disorder across Great Britain, would Cameron do a Gadhaffi and set our own troops onto us? That would be a tad risky in my opinion. Those soldiers are our sons, daughters, nephews, nieces, aunties, uncles, mums and dads. Ditto our police force. Over to you David.
Isn't it about time that we (the UK), like France told the EU where to stick it?
This is appalling when so many sick and disabled people here have been thrown off benefits & some have been driven to suicide as a result.
Bob from Brigg: Best laugh I've had all day (although it is only 1pm, and I haven't seen any other news yet)
'...it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move.' Not quite: if Britain made benefits conditional on a record of contributions for ALL claimants, that would automatically rule out what is now threatened. The issue is to ensure everyone treated the same, whether British citizens or national from other EU countries. 'A spokesman said: '...We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse.' Obviously, that's the warm words and wishful thinking bit; especially when too many of the cases publicised clearly show widespread, systematic abuse by both British and foreign nationals! That apart, the benefits system is out of control and needs to be reformed and reined in and damned quickly!.
Recession; what recession. Cut-Backs; what cut-backs, All in it together; what all in it together.
As we are haveing a referendam on voteing can we not have a box on the same form to get out of the EU It wiil not cost alot more
Sounds about right.....Poor old England....now Europes Barrel, with more and more sediment settling every week. EU? A bureaucratic, legal, and hideously expensive disaster, proof? Ireland and Greece, with, so we are led to believe, Portugal next on the list for bankruptcy...or should that be properly termed, total Brussels control of all the countries finances whether they like it, or not, and, at the EU's set interest rates.....Indeed, some are saying that the EU is deliberately encouraging economies to fail, in order to gain total fiscal control of that host nation, and have such a nation, totally under their control...interesting assumption...
This was agreed 7 years ago - what on earth is the problem ? The impact in the UK is going to be a lot less than it will be here in Austria....
For the love of god Cameron please stand up for us! I can't take much more.
So we work, pay taxes & NI, do not claim a penny from the State, then we retire and what do we finish up with £102.per week & some do not even get that. makes you proud to be an honest hard working Citizen in GB. Isn't it time the Powers that be got a grip and did what was right for the People of this Country that have given their all to make this a better place. Why is it our Politicians manage to get Gold Plated Pensions when they retire.
Where is the land of milk and honey we were promised if we went into the EU? I did not believe it then (early 1970s?). It is a shame we always have to live through about 30 or 40 years of a mistaken policy before that mistake is not only proven but also becomes too big to ignore. Dave etc. are always on about learning history at school, but it seems they themselves learnt nothing from history.
BNP BNP BNP - patarazzi, australia, 3/3/2011 11:35................................................I'm sorry, but your on the wrong website. This non-story has nothing to do with Brisbane National Parks.
The government could stop this type of thing very easily, with one stroke of a pen, but they won't because they have no leader with guts.
The only things that could possibly get us out of the disaster that is the EU and enable us to set our own laws is a massive, it would have to be two million plus, public demo or voting for one of the two main nationalist parties (UKIP/BNP) at any and every opportunity. Tory voters, forget the 'coalition effect', subjugation to the EU is what Cameron and many senior Tories want. Apart from a few strong sounding words and a bit of waffle where's the evidence to the contrary.
I had to give up work 7 years ago as I wasn't well enough to commute 5 hours a day. I didn't/couldn't claim JSA or benefits as my husband's supported me since then. Prior to that, I had 31 years of NI contributions and tax from full-time work (I was then single, no kids). Yet if I signed on unemployed today for the last 2 years before I draw a pension (which might be up to £97 a week) I'd get nothing because I've made no contributions in the last 2 years. Much talk of 'fairness' from Lib Dems, Labour and the Conservatives - How the HELL is it fair that a foreigner can turn up and get over TWICE as much as a pensioner with 31 years of paying tax and NI?
I love it.
"Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now - mr woo , glasgow scotland, 3/3/2011 12:08 ----------We've already had one, when Edward Heath (Conservative) when he was Prime Minister. He took us into Europe and then we had a referendum as to whether or not we wanted to stay, and aApparently we did. - Box ticker, London, 3/3/2011............................NO, that was a referendum on whether we wanted to be in the COMMON MARKET not the EU............Politicians signed up to EU on our behalf.......we have never had a referendum on whether we want to be in EU.
Like we dont breed enough of our own lazy dole loving lay abouts..... Lets get out of the EU before its too late
Have you realised yet that the same applies for people who leave the uk and go to another eu member state!! stop whinging
We should never have joined the EU. So now all my hard earned tax money goes to pay those individuals that have never done a days work or supported this cuuntry in any fashion. We are a JOKE
Come on fellow Brits, it's time to rebel and insist we withdraw from the EU!
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith _____________________________________________________________ So what are you doing about it Anne? Apart from spouting off on a website of course when you could be doing something constructive.
The Prime Minister. 10 downing Street, London, SW1A 2AA There are about 650 3rd rate halfwits who infest OUR parliament. Everybody should write to the above address and keep writing. It's easier than rioting in the street - anyway, I'm too old for that!
I voted UKIP. - daves, chelmsford uk, 03/3/2011 11:48 And so did I, Daves. Many Conservative voters in 2010 were too scared to vote UKIP in case it let Brown in again through the back door. Now there is no excuse to vote for any of the 3 old parties anymore. This coalition is not just unpopular because of the cutbacks, it is unpopular because of their backtracking & inaction on just about everything! In a short period of time, the UK has had Labour, Conservative & LibDems in government. All have shown their total contempt for the British people. Next time, either you waste your vote by not voting at all, or you choose another party. The 4th largest political party will take the UK out of the EU, therefore saving almost £49 million per day. Money to build hospitals, schools, prisons, repair the infrastructure, invest in the armed forces & also return jobs to British workers. But you will have to put your cross in their box first. Almost 1 million of us already did that in 2010.
Does this mean that I will be able to claim benifits from the Spanish system seeing as we are all ruled by Europe ? No I didn't think so either - beachboy, calahonda spain, 03/3/2011 12:48 ---------------Actually if you qualify for benefits then yes, it does.
If Cameron does'nt do something very soon he will see the worst riots ever to befall this country,with I suspect the full blessing of our disgruntled police force - Oddy, B'Ham, 3/3/2011 11:42..........................................Hilarious. So when the foreign journalists interview the rioters (assuming this hypothetical riot does kick off when someone decides to fight your own sorry plights for you because you're too lazy to do so yourself) about what it is they're rioting about, what will their answer be? 'XYZ,' say the rioters. 'And where did you learn about that?' asks the journalist in his bullet-proof vest. 'It said so in the Daily Mail.'..............In that instance, we really would be the laughing stock of the world.
So will we be hearing about this on the BBC? That propaganda machine for the Government and the EU? Which we also have to pay for with the license fee whether we want to watch it or not, and who are quite capable of getting their own funding like the others do. We are being milked and fleeced at every turn.
It makes me sick to the stomach. Get us out of the EU NOW!
I just want to echo the words of Charles De Gaulle, when he continued to do Britain a favour with his consistent veto of our entry into the common market in 1967, "Non, Non, Non" Cameron can guarantee a second term in office with one very simple act. Give us a voice, by having a referendum on the EU. And the choice should not be a wishy washy multiple choice designed to suck up to the lib dems, but a straightforward choice "IN" or "OUT". To help us make an impassioned choice, I invite the DM to produce a list of the financial advantages and disadvantages of Britain remaining in the EU. I need some help in finding the positive side of the argument.
Is THIS why David Clown is making 11,000 servicemen redundant - to give THEIR salaries to Eurics..................? DON'T hand in your uniforms OR your arms, lads......... You know what the next mission is.........
Does ANYONE from government ever read this website? If so, they will KNOW what people REALLY think of Camoron, the CONalition, the EU and so much more. Now that they know, what will they do? Absolutely nothing that's what. They just don't care. Simple as that. They care ONLY for themselves and not one jot about any of us. When will we have democracy here Dave? When will you put the people of Britain FIRST? When will we have the MUCH promised EU referendum? When will you get off your backside and actually DO SOMETHING?
The other side of the coin is that British immigrants to other countries will be able to claim benefits.
Here we go again! D.M. READERS IT'S QUITE SIMPLE - Keep voting and putting your "X" on the Con / Lab / Lib Dem voting paper promising 'change' = Keep getting the same thing and watching your childrens' future and prosperity go down the pan as we hand over our nation's wealth to the dregs of the world .....gratitude or an agreement to be law-abiding by receipients is not even necessary! Why not put your "X" where your mouth / heart is at the next election ?
There is an easy solution to the benefits system in our country. Any foreign national wanting to claim, must only be allowed the same as their home country. It would stop all these thousands of immigrants coming here for one thing only...... free housing, free health care, free handouts..... without working one day or paying a penny in tax.
OMG. Time for Britain to leave the EU I think.
simple vote ukip from here on in.
Either take to the streets or get more of the same.
Roll on the end of the world !!
well i think i'll just get myself pregnant, get a council house and live on benefits for the rest of my days (despite the fact i have been in continual work since 18 years old and paid my dues within this pathetic scrap of an excuse for a country). and they wonder why we are in a recession - GET OUT OF THE EU NOW, AND another reason for voting BNP!
Time to take our country back out of the hands of the EU, over the past 13 years a labour government has given all our powers away, you only have to ask why is ENGLAND the only country in britian NOT to have its own parliment or assembly ? English mp's can't vote on matters in scotland, wales, or northern ireland but their mp's can have a say on what happens in England would I be right to call that discremination ? LET'S GET OUT THE EU AND GET THIS DEVALUTION SORTED AND GET THIS COUNTRY GREAT AGAIN...Thinking UKIP could do well next election !!!
Just refuse to pay--at least the fine from the EU will be less!!!!!!!!
Its no different to any other EU country ... so why all the moaning ?
I would like to suggest that PolishBrit (hope I read that right) becomes PolishGerman as quickly as possible or better still PolishPolish.
EVERYBODY PLEASE LISTEN....For those of you who wish to vote BNP the next time you go to vote, please PLEASE take a PEN with you. I admit to voting for that party and for the UKIP for my local area and all that was there for the voters were pencils which i think, people rub out and put something different, and that is why the bnp have never won yet.. Remember,, take a pen so your vote cannot be rubbed out.
Com'n all you patriotic British nationals get a reality check please. Compare the number of Birtish nationals living on benefits as part of the total population to the number of immigrants who live on benefits. You will find that immigrants do not come to Britain to claim benefits but to make an honest living and return to their countries in few years time. the number of British nationals, though, who live on benefits is ridicolously high. So if you are paying for anything, its for your own people.
The lunatics who allowed this law on our behalf are wasting my hard earned taxes..... I am not giving any more until the government act fairly on my behalf.
Yes there is a way out of this mess, withdraw from this club which is run by a group of idiots who want to reduce the UK to the level of a third world country. It's time the British people said enough is enough and took to the streets to demonstrate against this rediculous situation.
I am in utter despair, will no one in the political establishment do something to save our country from completely going under? Will no one act in the national interest for once?
They are coming to take you away ha ha.
This country is a shambles all thanks to Labour and I doubt if we will ever regain our pride and democracy again. I know for sure that if I was 30 years younger I wouldn't hesitate to take myself to another country that respects it's citizens instead of the workshy and illegal immigrants that we have here now. Wake up Cameron before the riots start because believe you me, they will, people have just about had enough. - law-abiding citizen, UK not EU, 3/3/2011 11:30................................Yeah yeah, blame Labour once again, but you probably haven't looked into this latest work of utter fiction by the Mail because in your view, that'd require too much effort, and so the best policy is to read the headline alone and set off on aLabour-bashing tour (and I'm not even a Labour supporter). However, I'm pleased to inform you that your comment has a comedy rating of 7 out of 10. A bit of Blair and Brown bashing, along with a few pseudonyms would've increased its funniness a bit.
NO Dave, you MUST stop putting other countries and the people of other countries BEFORE your own. Stop being a traitor to this country. Get us OUT of the EU, stop ALL immigration, deport thousands already here and leeching off us. TRY, just TRY to find a backbone somewhere and put a STOP to all this. We MUST get out of the EU and that is just for starters. We used to be GREAT Britain, now we're just a GREAT joke around the world.
It is time for a referendum on pulling out of the EU.I would definitely vote yes to that.Come on Mr Cameron give us a vote or face losing the next election.
Isn't it about time we got the EU to take on some of our ideas instead of us having to take their nonsense all the time?
Unfortunately , this EU dross has been coming here for years. You can see them all lolling about in any town up and down this benighted land. They come here just to get our benefits - they have no intention of doing any work Hardly hear any English people's voices in my town these days - most seem to be from the backwaters of the newEU.
If you accept this Britain you are just fools led by a bunch of fools. it would not happen in France!!
I am an OAP I get £73 pension per week + NHS nurses' 'generous' pension' of about the same, a total of About £150 per week can I get this upgraded to a migrant's £250 benefit? I have worked all my life and I feel neglected by all governments.
Words fail me..... why do I bother to work and pay my taxes!!
This si becoming ridiculous, it's about time we left the EU!
For goodness sake when will this weak country find it's teeth and say enough is enough. I'm sick of flogging myself doing one full time job and two part time jobs to keep afloat only for it to be paid out to someone whose paid b-all into the system. Is the govenment(and I don't actually care which one)capable of putting it's own people first or is it going to be forever doing it's Euriah Heap impersonation weasling around the great and mighty EU? Speaking of which, when is there going to be justification for their overblown pay and expenses? The French won't pay any social to foreigners until they have worked and can speak the language - bit of a hint about what needs to be done - speaking the language would be a start.
what is the point in working anymore, i feel so sorry to our future generations and the mess we have left them ...........
The stupid politicians canÂ’t open their eyes wide enough to see that the people have had enough. They only react when they themselves are threatened with losing money and power. Watch this spaceÂ…
This is what Labour signed up to just as it did to bail out other European countries ie Portugal Greece and Spain.
When are we going to bail out of this waste of space called the EU, an organisation which we were duped into joining by dangling that carrot - The Common Market, for which I, for one, voted a "NO" in the first place. It really is time to go. We need a referendum or are the Government frightened of what the result would be! - Paul, Leeds UK, 03/3/2011 12:26 ************************************************************************* Paul, Leeds you have said it ALL . I was too young to vote back then . My late Father, and Grandmother , voted NO. WE NEED A REFERENDUM NOW. I'm 52 years old YET have never had the opportunatey to vote on this matter., just like millions of others in my age group, and younger.
My God! I can't even weep for my country.It's been sold off as a sattelite to the E.U.Never mind true Brits just work your socks off to keep thiese middle European free loaders in absolute luxury.Revolution any body?
You aint seen nothing yet, Turkey and her millions, and the millions waiting on her borders to be part of the EU, will swamp this country, and and be the cause of civil unrest the like of witch this country has not seen before, and the chief Donkey is all for it.
Vote for BNP. Get our country back under English rule. It's up to the public to vote outside of the big three. We've had enough of this EU rubbish. Tell them where to stick it
I see the call for a referendum on leaving the EU, but I have this sick feeling that even if the vote were to get out, the UK government would probably find they were prohibited from doing so without EU approval. I watch Lebanon, and various other international hotspots, and wonder whether this is what is needed in this country. It seems just voting democratically is no longer effective, as our MPs are either unwilling to go against the EU guidelines, or are unable to. What a sad reflection on 21st century Great Britain.
For me this is the last straw. I will never accept an EU policy that does this to our country. Cameron, you are finished !!
I million pensioners could be given a £25 per week rise with this money
WHATS THE POINT OF WORKING, PEOPLE ON BENEFITS ARE BETTER OFF THAN WORKERS, ITS ALL WRONG.
This is such a non-story. The so called "Eastern Europeans" (A-8 nationals) were allowed to claim benefits since 2004 after they have registered with Home Office and had a full-time job for 1 year. The only thing that changes now is that they are not longer required to register. They still need to be in a full-time employment for at least 1 year, pay taxes, have a verifiable address etc. Daily Mail you should be ashamed of yourself for getting people in frenzy. And people commenting on this site should re-direct their hatred towards international financial institutions and businesses who are behind the credit crunch. You are being played by the right-wing propaganda who is financed by these people.
Right that's it. Making sure now that my kids emigrate and hope we can eventually follow. What with this ,and the inevitable influx of ME immigrants (s0called refugees-of their own making) after their rioting and who are now starting to flee en- masse to the West, we will soon be over-flowing to more than full. We will in Europe soon be designated to third world status unless we get out of the EU NOW. Maybe, thinking about it, time to buy an uninhabited large island somewhere, and start a new country, anyone else in for it??
A friend of mine, a Brit, having worked & paid tax in France for 33 years fell on hard times (made redundant at 53, hard to get a job), enquired to British authorities if he could come back to the UK and get some benefits while looking for a job. Answer, NO, you are British, you are not entitled to anything. So, he is now thinking of taking Latvian nationality to go back to the UK and claim for everything! Kind of sick, is it not?
David cameron shouts about the freedom of people against goverments who dont listen to there people and are un democratic what about the people of the uk we want out of the eu, so lets have a democratic debate for and against and then a vote before we lose our great country for ever,i for one would march to london to demand this we need change any one with me.
It just keeps getting worse. This country has been successively destroyed by a parliament of morons. We plainly no longer need parliament, it is not fit for purpose. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, hopefully the UK next to get freedom and democracy!
Why aren't they queueing up to go to the other EU countries? Because our benefits system is riddled with stupidities and run by stupids. If we just made it impossible to claim unless you've worked and paid tax for, say 3 years, then they wouldn't come here us benefits tourists. It might help deal with the home grown scroungers as well.
remember to work harder so your taxes can be used to pay more people on benefits, oh and don;t leave your home because if they squat in your home you'll never get them out either!!! welcome to UK don;t you just love it???
But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism'. What they mean't to say was "strict rules would remain in place for the British citizens to make them third world citizens, but foreigners will be allowed to come here as benefit tourists and claim what they like. We will help them by printing leaflets on how to claim all benefits in all relevent languages, but not in English". Non-Jobcentre trators, all of them.
A shiver ran round the cabinet meeting room looking for a spine to run up.
Here we go again ..... let's treat the immigrants better than those people who were born in the UK and have worked all their lives paying taxes and national insurance. Time to take the country back people .......
Britain is powerless to fight this decision? Cameron and his useless sidekick should hold a referendum on telling the EU to take a hike and bailing out. They should do it NOW, while there's still time!
the govt. is going reduce benefits for UK people cos how else are we going to afford to support eastern europeans...............this is all Labour's fault. and Nick Clegg is too pro europe. how is any of this going to help our country get out of recession? we have to stop doing what the european court says. no other country is so generous/stupid with benefits. we can't afford this. we really can't.
In these 'special circumstances' involving new East European EEC citizens there surely cannot be resentment to their receiving basic benefit when not in work. Politically these 'safetynet' concessions are a small price to pay for 'locking-in' former communist states to our western values. We cannot have it all ways and these are after all reciprocal arrangements. The family elders of these citizens went through a dreadful world war in Europe just as ours did - unlike the 'other' dead wood we have 'welcomed in' and supported from the four corners of the earth!!
OUT OF THE E.U NOW.
So let me get this right. I and many other have worked and paid into the system for over 40 years without getting a penny back ansome foreigner walks into the Coutry and straight away starts taking money without having contributed. The time is approaching when we need to come out of the EU.
Gets us out of the EU now,,,, Disgusting that people who have never paid any taxes into this country are allowed to claim benefits.. Sent the lot back, we can hardly pay for our Eduction/NHS/Armed Forces/ OAP's now.... what the hell will it be like in ten years time..... David Cameron your spinless....................GIVE US A VOTE TO GET OUT OF EUROPE.............................
Does this mean that I will be able to claim benifits from the Spanish system seeing as we are all ruled by Europe ? No I didn't think so either
Enough is enough why cant people come into this country with money and something to offer us like Australia insist on. Soon it will not be worth us ordinary tax payers going to work if we are only paying to keep lazy imigrants who come here for a free ride
I only got £64 a week and that ran out after 6 months.
Can someone explain to me why anyone of any nationality should receive a penny from the state? - Oflife, Oxford, 3/3/2011 12:21 The state should provide a safety net for any of our citizens who is temporarily out of work or is incapable of working. For most of my adult life I've worked for a living and paid my taxes, but I've been out of work in the past and claimed dole and housing benefit and had no qualms about it. That's all it should be though, a safety net for OUR citizens - it should NOT be a lifestyle choice for idle home-grown chavs NOR a bottomless source of free money, housing etc for all the freeloaders in the world.
Simple, no-one draws a penny from our benefits system unless they have paid in. Yes, it IS time to take to the streets and march in protest.
Im an ex pat and left the UK for good ten years ago but it makes my blood boil to see what the EU and the UKs toothless government are doing to my fellow countrymen and women. Why do you stand for it, why are you not marching in your millions on London? I'll tell you why because slowly and systematically you have had the life and the will sucked out of you by the EU and successive governments who are only concerned with self promotion. Do you think the French would swallow this? Blackadder's General Melchet was right....'When the chips are down and our backs are against the wall a pig headed refusal to look facts in the face will always see us through'. Not this time, not this time please! I will tell you straight I would rather die than come back to live in the UK.
The UK can do something about it. My brother lives in France - the system there is biased for the French. Even if you wanted to work at the local Leisure Centre behind the desk, you would need to take French exams to get a French qualification to do that job. The UK needs to wise up.
about time we got out of the EU.... I'm sure it costs us more than the benefits it gives..
He's Quite Happily Destroying this Country of Ours While Brown Nosing the EUroCrats.......! - martin, hant's, 03/3/2011 12:20 I'd vote out tomorrow but to correct one point, Labour have already destoryed it. Most of the rullings we are getting are form Tony and Gordy running up the white flag. Dissapointed that Davey has not pulled it down and run up the union flag.
Let us simply tell the EU where to stuff it's rulings.
We reap what the politicians have sown! A mass demonstration on the day of the royal wedding would get their attention!
the answer is simple...close our borders NOW ...before it costs us billions of pounds more to people who have never contributed a penny to our system...
When Europe tell our government to JUMP they ask how HIGH. We need to GET OUT OF EUROPE.
In the year 2011 what possible excuse do we have not to stop this? we have BNP we have UKIP. Or do some of you want this? your choice.
There will be no jobs, no houses, no pensions, no health service left. for anybody soon. The migrants have bled this country dry. We can't take the whole world into this small country. Why can't they go to underpopulated places like New Zealand and Australia.
Grrrrrrrr this has really annoyed me.....it is very frustrating
To be fair, most people who come from East European or outside of EU are working 2-3 times harder than British people in order to establish themselves in this country. Without their contribution, London's hospitality and service industry is DEAD. We should focus on our own crisis - far too many Brits sit at home watching TV, eating junk food and complaining about government while claiming benefits!!!
The current system allows people claim benefit only if they have saving less than 16K. The biggest loophole is, no immigrat will be stupid enough to say they have 16K saved in the bank. The will comfortably saving all their money in the bank in their own county and come into this country claiming benefits from the begining. This is totally unfair, and will be quickly abused by millions of foreigners flooding into this country. I see the UK heading to bankcrupcy due to its own stupidity and mismanagement.
I was driven out of work 16 yrs ago, lived on my savings for several years. Then i found that because of the gap I am not entitled to a penny from the state. I even recieved a letter offering me the opportunity to pay £800 per year for 7years to qualify for a state pension. I wrote a letter to the then responsible minister, who more or less told me to get lost. This minister was later found to be employing his 80+ year old mother as a parliamentary assistant during the expenses scandal.
If we are going to remain in the EU and be subject to all these EU regulations then maybe all benefits payable across all the EU countires should be standardised. So that no matter where you claim benefits, the value would be the same.
is anything left in uk???
"Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now - mr woo , glasgow scotland, 3/3/2011 12:08 ----------We've already had one, when Edward Heath (Conservative) when he was Prime Minister. He took us into Europe and then we had a referendum as to whether or not we wanted to stay, and aApparently we did.
No taxation without representation! And no, those MEPs are not representing our interests, they couldn't even if they wanted to as they're a very expensive rubber stamp for whatever the EU commissioners see fit for them to vote on. We want out of the EU and I suggest we have a General Strike until we are given the Referendum we were promised.
I voted UKIP too. Even though they got 919,546 votes they received no seats in parliament. While Democratic Unionist Party got 168,216 they received 8 seats. Right... Democracy's so fair. I thought the Lib dems were going to change the voting system... I guess not.
The problem a lot of people miss is this: Under EU regulations all EU citizens must be treated the same under the applicable laws/regulations of a country. It is not permissible to apply double standards - one for foreign EU citizens and a different one for UK citizens. Other countries who don't have the same problems with benefits for EU citizens obviously have different rules altogether for eligibility for benefits. In the UK we qualify for benefits as soon as we are out of a job (whether you have ever worked or not). This is the whole reason why we have so many people on the dole who have never worked. If we are allowing UK citizens benefits from day one then we must allow foreign EU citizens the same. If our laws were changed for UK citizens (no benefits until you have paid in contributions for X number of years, then it would be perfectly acceptable to treat EU immigrants the same. This is succesfully done in other contries and can only be advantageous for the UK.
It is disgusting, when my partner was made redundant last year, after 6 months he was entitled to nothing because apparently I earn 'too much money', despite him having paid national insurance and tax and working since he was 16.......this country is becoming the Ubend of Europe.
Time to change our relationship with Europe......... Time to vote UKIP
THERE IS GONNA BE ONE HECK OF A RIOT SOON IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN THE SLEEPING BRITISH BULLDOG WAKES UP
I'm starting to feel very trapped and depressed and wondering if my children have a future. Is life worth all this worry?
If this is the same rule for all EU countries then wahts the problem, but it isn't. I wouldlike to see a UK peson come to Spain and claim anything from the state if they haven't lived here for at least a year without working. I f they have a job and lose it then Ok. That seems to be the difference.We need a level playing field across Europe. Peoplwill the truly be free to move around in search of work, it must work both ways.
god we need another Thatcher
You can either have a state safety net, or you can have unlimited immigration. You can't have both, the numbers just don't add up.
3rd world Britain here we come - we may be daft, we may be stupid - but the world will never be able to call us bigots! Labour has enabled us to hold our heads up high, even though we are now on our knees, and broken ....GOOD OLD LABOUR, and now thanks to U-turn Cameron and Part time Clegg we can carry on with this proud tradition - am so glad to be British!
absolutley sickening. I dont know how they get away with this. Do they not want the best for their country?? i just dont understand what goes through their mind that this is a good decison
CANT WE SAY NO?? THIS ISNT DEMOCRACY!!!!
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples! - Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 Fine speak your point but please don't insult our NHS system which I am sure if you were ill, YOU would use! Currently they are looking after my cancer ridden Father which would have gone into the thousands had I had to pay. Are you telling me you would not call an NHS ambulance if you had a terrible accident?????
My own personal experience leads me to believe that many EE's do indeed come here for the 'benefit' advantages. I paid into the sytem since I was 16 (18 years) and when I came back from spending a year abroad, I was unemployed for some time but not entitled to benefits because I hadn't paid my tax for that year. It's not right to blame the immigrants, it's the government who are an absolute disgrace.
Unless you take to the streets you will be ignored. i don't think you will so you will be ignored
Great Britain has just died. Maybe the National Anthem should be changed to "God save our sad little Britain".....why God? because the numpty politicians will never try to save it! Sounds like we need a REVOLUTION!!! Over throw the Politicians and have a People's Party. Benefits to be claimed ONLY by those who have worked for 1 year and then they can only claim for 1 year (just like the French system). You need to have worked for longer than you claim. As well as immigrants, lets get the deadleg chavs off the dole too. Get people creating small companies, selling services (DIY, cleaning, cooking, gardening, language lessons) to the neighbours if all be it - anything to get people contributing to society.
What an utter shambles the EU is. Not a thought for cost, the impact on indigenous peoples, national budgets and so forth. How on earth can any national government work properly in such circumstances ?
Stormtrooper said "You're not all disliked, just the ones who DO ONLY COME HERE FOR THE BENEFITS. You say you are working? In which case you pay tax into the system. Its those that pay nothing but take everything we dislike (and also our Government for allowing it). " Agreed in principle but the majority of these tradespeople file minimal profits, pay minimal tax and avoid VAT because most of their revenue is cash in hand whilst deducting all their expenses. The customers may be equal accessories to this fraud but it doesn't change the reality. I know one declaring £8k profit but has a £400k house and a buy to let using self-cert mortgages. There is also a massive leakage of cash to countries of origin which harms the UK economy.
The sooner our brainless politicians realise that being in the EU is NOT in the countries best interest the better.
And they can claim UK pensions in addition to their own which are higher in many cases than UK pensions are. This whole farce is a total travesty and if the UK is forced to pay these people, then our politicians need to take a close look at the amount we pay the EU and take away the amount we are having to pay non UK citizens. The only other possibility is to come out of the EU -then remove all those EU and non-EU citizens that EU membership has forced us to take in, feed, house and educate - that is the cheaper option and may actually give us our country back
Let's get out of the EU, then you will have to find someone else to blame for the bad policies our leaders keep making. It's all too easy for them to blame it all on the EU at the moment, and is probably a major reason why they refuse to get us out, and that even applies to the Conservatives who keep on insisting that they are anti-EU strangely enough. I doubt we will be allowed to have a referendum on it anytime soon.
If Cameron is still prepared to send millions in foreign aid to despotic dictators who use it to fund their lavish life styles, then he ain't going be troubled about paying a few million quid of tax payers money to immigrants.
David Cameron will never hold a referendum on the EU because he - like all politicians - look to Europe as a very luxurious gravy train if and when he is kicked out of office. Kinnock is an example. He was an abject failure as a politician in this country but went on to amass a fortune in pay and expenses in Brussels. It doesn't matter which party is in power - they are all the same. We could pay off the debt that Brown left us with within a year if we didn't have to hand trillions over to the crooks in Brussels. The only way we will get out of the EU is if we take to the streets and demand it.
The way to stop this happening is by changing the benefit system in this country so that only people who have paid tax in this country for five years would be able to claim. This would stop immigrants being able to claim and also a lot of bone idle workshy British layabouts from scrounging off the dole.
Mr.Cameron...JUST SAY NO. People in the UK are really starting to hate the EU now and there will be reaction to it if something is not done to stop this madness. Boycotting Made in EU products will help, and boycotting EU holiday resorts outside of the UK will too, but we need Government action...NOW.
ONE STEP NEARER TO THE REVOLUTION.......
Under the new rules being forced through at the moment the DWP will have the ability to cut benefit if THEY think a person is not making enough effort to find work. This includes missing 'back to work' classes they set up, even if it is to go for a job interview. Looks like they knew this was going to happen and were making the money available.
Tell the EU to stuff it, this is our Country and we alone should make the rules that govern it!
AM I GLAD my mum and dad brother and myself left back in 1957...because britain is only a pale Shade of itself when i was a kid ..its gone to the migrants
some.bloke, england, 3/3/2011 11:38.......So let me get this right....These people will not get a penny in benefits, that then must mean it is not going to cost us one penny for them to stay.....I have never known the government of this country let any illegal die of hunger let alone legals. If they are put in prison or put in detention centres we still have to feed them along with all the other trimmings. There is absolutely no way that 100,000 people can land on our shores and it will not cost us a penny. And even if it was just a penny it is still too much when our own people are going without. This lifeboat is full, we are going to have to pull away and leave those still in the water.
These East European migrants are taxpayers in this country. They pay their contributions, so if they fall on hard times they must surely be entitled to benefits just like anyone else.The vast majority return to their home country, so make no demands on the welfare system. It's very different to the case of British immigrants (so-called "ex-pats") in Spain, who sponge off the Spanish health system without having made any contributions, and refuse to learn the language or integrate in society.
When is this farce going to end? Its not rocket science. The Government has the ability to deport illegal immigrants but fails to so in any significant number. It also has the ability to ignore the EU when it chooses to do so. The upshot is that while immigrants get favourable treatment the rest of us suffer. Its plain daft and makes no sense. It wouldn't happen anywhere else. Come on Cameron do what we elected you for and get on with it.
the e.u is determined to destroy our lovely u.k. if our government refused to cooperate with this ridiculas edict the e.u could do nothing about it.what happend when france banned the burkah all the e.u.did was sabre rattling,nothing was done to france.what we want is another lady thatcher.
The question that remains now is is the EU trying to bankrupt Britain forcing us into the EU and to adopt the Euro ? Of course this would fit with New Labour's master treason plan, denying the country a promised referendum and selling out the country under the electorate to the EU. New Labour pushed its own politicans into the EU.. Kinnock, Mandleson, Baroness Ashton (whoever she is?) Cameron has his hands tied by a coalition government of which the Lib-Dems are pro EU. - Thanks to all you who voted Labour and Lib Dem, *YOU* are responsible for this. - aw, surrey, 3/3/2011 11:47..........Cameron could have his hands tied by a daisy chain and the wet, gutless wimp would still not be able to break out of it. You should have all voted UKIP instead of voting for the lesser of two evils. Cameron has no fire in his belly.
I do not see the problem here. Like many immigrants they work hard and contribute to the economy of a country. Some of the best workers are from the east of Europe. They are just as entitled to claim benefits as anyone else. It is what social care is about. They pay into the system so can claim. Too many Brits are work shy.
Simple solution - The rule should be that EU citizens can claim benefits in any EU country but it is paid at the rates prevalent in their home country. Economic migration would stop overnight
TIME FOR A GENERAL STRIKE.
The 'Daily Express' has been calling for the electoral reform vote on May 5th t also include a vote on the EU membership of the UK. Despite over 370,000 signing a petition asking for a voice on who actually governs us, Downing Street has responded that membership of the EU is in our best interests, and therefore there will be no referendum on this issue!!! So much for Dave promising to listen to the people! Why are these damned politicians convinced that they know what is right for us? Such arrogance! I am becoming more and more convinced that we need to take to the streets in huge numbers to show we have had enough of our country being destroyed, whilst the politicians aid and abet, or at best look the other way.
Well I can think of only two things to stop this problem.. 1. Opt out of the EU 2. Stop all benefits entirely, that way the scroungers who are already living the life of laziness can get off their backsides and earn a wage and those who are planning to come into the UK for the same life will think twice about it. Though I expect not many people will agree with me I think it is time that people earn a wage and get some self respect into their lives.
Out of Europe now please...we can't afford any of this club anymore..let's ditch our membership
"I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK - Roy, Worcester England, 3/3/2011 " Roy, what the article does not point out, but is in fact what is happening, is that this is pretty much exactly what the situation will be in the UK as well.
It's time we left the EU and before the winging Europhiles say we couldn't survive; well most of the world does very well without it. Norway for instance VOTE UKIP every time you can.
I'm from Australia, my grandmother was English and I can't/don't receive any pension/job seeker allowance at all, yet someone from a non Commonwealth Eastern bloc country can?! To say they're cracking down on immigration is a farce, all they're doing is stopped well educated people from outside the EU from coming in while opening the floodgates to any old person from inside it. The UK is being dragged down to the standards of the rest of the EU, which for the most part isn't as prosperous. Things will go from bad to worse.
When are we going to bail out of this waste of space called the EU, an organisation which we were duped into joining by dangling that carrot - The Common Market, for which I, for one, voted a "NO" in the first place. It really is time to go. We need a referendum or are the Government frightened of what the result would be!
The fourth reich speaks. Time to take our country back, stuff the Middle East, we need revolution here.
Can some one with a large calculator work out the cost of 100000 people who can claim up to 250 pounds per week plus health and schooling and all the add on,s and then tell me where the money will come from, thank you
What is the point of becoming an MP if you are only going to do as you're told by unelected bureaucrats, if you don't want to govern, resign and let someone else be elected who wants to do their best for this country. When you consider the length of time that Parliament doesn't sit, all of the school holidays, and the number of MPs in Parliament for various debates, says to me that they are not interested in running the country at all.
I moved back to the Uk for a short time and had to fill in Habitual Residence Test ,i'm 100% British but i had to prove i had a reason for living there,i was not impressed,no such thing as British any more,whether we like it or not,we are treated as European by our own Government:(( Living in Greece for the last 20 years,unless you have worked and paid in to the NHS system,there are no benefits for Greeks let alone foreigners,no council rebates,no help paying your rent,no child benefit,all we have here,is help from family. So why should foreigners,with no benefits systems in there own country get British benefits?
How can anyone vote for other than UKIP?
For the sake of our country get a grip.This cannot be right,are my human rights out of order? I cannot afford to continue to pay more and more taxes to fund anyone who has never contributed to the UK in their lives.
Exercise your right to protest - Stop the Cuts March 26th London. If you are in a union, check if transport is being laid on. This is your chance to take to the streets.
Only one party will get us out of the robbing EU, The British National Party. Guess what, at the next election, the sheep will vote for a mixture of the traitorous big three parties again.
What are you going to do about this Mr Cameron ? another kick in the teeth for the weary British Tax paying electorate.
The worse thing is that it is widely known that they claim benefit with their real details and also work with forged documents and these are cleaners in hospitals
Britain is not powerless to prevent this fiasco. All that is required is for Cameron to offer a referendum to offer us the choice of whether or not we wish to be part of the EU. This would have to be restricted to citizens of the UK and exclude foreign nationals from voting. However, I know only too well that I'm living in fantasy land.
This nonsense would never have happened under Maggie, you are a traitor Cameron
So basically British workers, who have become ill and unable to work are to be hounded where ever they go, the Government is trying to take our benefits off us... take our DLA off us and leave us penniless and homeless yet the bloody foreigners are to fetched over in the millions and given everything! What kind of incentive is this to our people? Work... that would be good, IF there were any jobs left open to Brits that is!!! NO to the EU
It's not just that they live on benefits - Our NHS is crashing down around our ears because of a lack of funds - there is a fundamental lack of housing for OUR OWN PEOPLE never mind those people. Our children (my son is 23) CANNOT GET ONTO THE PROPERTY LADDER - he has also been turned down for council housing because he earns a reasonably decent salary. THIS IS TOTALLY DISGUSTING and the message to Messrs Cameron and Clegg sort it out before we all vote UKIP
When I was out of work for 18 months last year for the 1st time in 30 years, I was allowed to claim JSA for 6 months only, after that I got nothing. So despite paying into the system for years when I wanted something back I got very little. Isn't it about time our government stood up and said if you pay nothing in you get nothing out, this means to migrants or people that have lived in this country and scrounged for years.
For those hoping that cameron wil get us out of the EU think again hes a europhile at heart.
I am just beyond disgusted at the chinless nature of our politicians. We are a people and we have a land - CAN YOU GET THAT SIMPLE IDEA OF NATIONHOOD INTO YOUR TINY POLITICALLY CORRECT HEADS PLEASE. PLEASE!
Can someone explain to me why anyone of any nationality should receive a penny from the state?
Now I know the meaning of the big society
"Get us out of the EU it is costing this country millions that we cannot afford. - Kathleen, Wakefield, West Yorks, 3/3/2011 10:26" Actually the E.U. Annual Budget is around £100 "Billion",.... Then there is aprox' 80% of all Vat collected, (it's an E.U. tax), & the E.U. Levy (tax) on everything we buy that does Not come from member states, (clothes, electricals, etc.), & that is somewhere between another £100-200 Billion...... Total = aprox' ££300 Billion,........ And what do We Get out of the E.U. ?......... Nothing But Grief........... Also,..Davey Boy Wants to Spend ££30 Billion on a So called Fast Rail Link to Brum',......BUT,...... At the Same time He IS TRASHING Our Armed Forces to Save £10-20 Billion, he says we Cant Afford.......... Now,...Do the Maths & you will Quickly come to the Conclusion that "Call me Dave" Has an ATTROCIOUS Sense of Priorities......... He's Quite Happily Destroying this Country of Ours While Brown Nosing the EUroCrats.......!
Well well well....... here we go again...........
Next they will be after a pound of flesh, from us, to feed the immigrants! Lets get the hell out of EU and get rid of the crazy government! I'm for taking to the streets, worked all my life to look after my family and help build up the country after the war. This government may as well ask us to open our purses and dish out money Willy Nilly! Over my dead body!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The UK needs to get OUT of the EU while there are still a few remnants of the UK intact. Otherwise, Britain will have to be spoken of in the past tense.
...migrants...........will no longer have to register if they wish to WORK for a month or more in Britain. The key word is WORK. Surely they can't just come here and register for benefits and all that that entails.
stuff the EU, and kick these leaches out.
It is so bad that these people can come into our country and claim benefits, when our own are being taken off it and expected to survive on fresh air, where is the justice in that, and we cannot complain about it because if we do we are called racist!!
Time to take to the streets and claim back our country form the morons that dictate from over seas. Why arn't our lilly liver government reacting in the same way the did when prisoners where allowed the vote. We have cuts being implemented at every corner yet we will pay millions to these parasites that have our benefit system ready for milking in their sites. Today the Middle East tomorrow Europe, lets follow suit and rise up and rid our country and lives of these blinker idiots that are hell bent on destroying the UK both from within and abroad.
An absolute joke, 5 million unemployed, bankrupt and still more migrants. Britain is finished due to pandering to the champagne,leftist,socialists.
Nay nay and thrice nay.........we do not want any more immigrants. We are full up. Do something Camoron. YOU PROMISED SOOOOOOOOOOO much but have delivered NOTHING. Things just keep on getting worse and worse . You can't blame anybody else, this is all YOUR mess. Put a stop to it, if you have the guts of course! Get us out of the EU, it's what we all want.
you get what you deserve. idiots voted for labour and clowns voted for the tories.heath took us in the eu and wilson kept us in.the great plan is the united states of europe so these migrants are entitiled to everything that the poor brit is entitled to.you reap what you sow.live with it or vote for the party that will take you out of the eu.the uk is nothing but a collection of sheep .anyone with sense left years ago
This why Cameron is robbing his own people in order to pay for this. Another reason why Great Britain should get out of the EU. How much more does it take to move these Politicians?
I'm voting BNP in the future.
Dear old Dave!talks big on benefits, then lets another 100,000 in! oh the intelligence!
Get out of Europe NOW.. VOTE UKIP NEXT TIME Our Government MUST have the final say, this country is BANKRUPT we cant afford to pay out more money to those that dont contribute in paying taxes, and come here for a FREE ride.. When Will the British people take to the streets and bring this country to a halt? Another LABOUR cock up to add to the long list.
This country is the Toilet of Europe. The Past and present governments are to blame they are weak and corrupt. Our Kings and Queens were once the ultimate leaders, they too over the years have become weak with no voice, the present Queen should take control of this country and put the british people first, if not why is she there?? Nothing good will come out of another 100,00 people able and allowed claim and to scam, EU or British it makes no difference any more there is no GREAT in Britain now, if I could leave now I would, but all the other country's have immigration rules they stick too, so welcome to the biggest open prison in the world. I don't blame all the people that come here and scam and claim, the only ones to blame are the leaders of this now crap country. PEOPLE, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEADERS WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
Doubt the DM will publish this but if they care about democracy or the country they will. A competitor paper (DE) is running a campaign to force government to include Euro referendum in May alongside the political reform proposed changes we're being asked to vote on. If you care enough write to your MP now and demand they support the campaign to have a 'do we stay in or out of europe' question added to the ballot paper. A number of MP's already support it - we're spending £250Million on a political reform vote to it's a very cost effective way of getting the more important issue of European membership sorted once and for all. It's a bigger threat and drain on our resources than any other. So if you care get onto your MP now and ensure they support democracy.
time to leave the eu and if cameron wont listen to the people who pay his salary perhaps its time for the people of this country to stand up and be counted we need another general election instead of the one for electoral reformon 5th may. disgruntled gran
You are going to have to accept CAMEROON WILL NEVER GIVE A REFERENDUM ON THE EU. Even if it costs the tory/lib the next election. The man is EU, through and through.
Thought they already did - I guess my town is no different from most others and all day every day there are more of these EU dross hanging round all day in coffee bars, or street drinking with no work and no intention of doing anything except bum off our benefit system. More foreign voices than English ones now on our local buses, in our shops and elsewhere...
I think it is nearly time for the people of this Country to stand up for themselves and this, their own Country. What is the point in paying tax on so many things, and paying their taxes i it is given away to foreigners that have absolutely no interest in this Country except its "hand-outs? What on earth are we paying British Politicians for when they too have to obey foreign EU Ruling? The people have never agreed to the giving of British Sovereignty (authority) to foreigners. I wouldn't trust them to hold a referendum Anymore because the stakes are too high for them to lose. And the people would never be allowed to win. I no longer trust any Politician any more. Even the Census paper with its extra intrusive questions come from the EU, and is written in the EU Journal of 13th 8.2008, page L 218/14. Our Government have known since 2008 yet have not had the GUTS to tell us the truth. Do YOU trust them anymore?
No Englishman voted for this. RESIGN FROM THE EU NOW!
If somebody organised a mass protest outside Westminster to demand we got out of the EU and stop this madness, I would be willing to go even although it would not be easy for me to do this. I am sick to death of seeing the state this country has become because of the refusal of the leaders to get us out of the EU, as if our membership is set in stone. It is not. They are continuing in it for their own ends and not for our benefit. It is a tragedy unfolding before our eyes and we appear to be powerless to do anything about it. Treason on a mass scale been committed by what they have done in giving away our Sovereignty to an unelected Marxist Dictatorship in Brussels and never consulted the people. No way should we allow any more migrants and their dependants from the poor EU countries in when we don't even need them, or give them all this money as well when we are cut to the bone on our resources and the UK people are going without themselves.
Can someone please get us out of this awful EU..... Please Please Please vote UKIP (I voted for the Torise last time, But never again...
We allow anyone in and they can claim all the benefits they want, they must think it's paradise to come and live here in Britain and get the handouts they want, then when we want something, you try and get it. What's up with this country? Why can't they look after their own first? We then allow the EU to DICTATE all our rules and regulations from people who are unelected by this country - ridiculous. And we're paying for them all on their gravy train. Just think of the billions of pounds that could go towards hospitals etc etc, wouldn't need to be cuts then. No one else abides by the rules so why is it that Britain is the only country that does. Get us out of the EU now!
"Britain powerless to counter the move"? Absolute rubbish. All it would take is someone in the government with the balls to say NO to the EU!!!!! The sooner we get out of the EU the better off we will be. As they have been unable to get their accounts "signed off" for many years they are obviously corrupt to the core so we should be no part of it.
I hate to say this , people , but you all had the chance to vote UKIP and BNP .
Eastern Europeans and Asylum Seekers are coming here with not one penny to their name because they know the British taxpayer will house and feed them, we desperately need a Government that puts The British People and THEIR beloved islands before foreigners human rights, and EU legislation.
Why have the eu not disolved the english government. they do everything else to ruin us partly, they can do it completely by getting rid of the gov; while they are at it why do we have to subsidise the welsh scotish and irish parliments and people when they do not pay anything back to this broken country,.
Daily Mail ,please start a petition now to hand in to No 10 Downing street demanding a vote on getting us out of the EU.You can read the majority of comments on here as well as I can, Do it now please ,lets take our coutry back from the hands of the EU.
Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 11:31 Try and show a little humility and respect for your hosts - rather than just spouting off a venomous assault on the people who have accepted you to their country. Instead, you should try and understand how we work and what has happened to our country in the last 13 years - then you might, just might, understand where we are coming from. If you don't like us then please leave.
We shall fight them on the beaches......
No good just moaning about it, actions speak louder than words.
Leave the EU. Now.
Dave Cameron; How many more time do I (and others) have to say this...QUIT THE DREADFUL EU! Give us the promised referendum! LISTEN to the people that you were elected to represent. Show just a little bit of backbone and IGNORE the 'human rights brigades' and the 'pc crowds'. On leaving the EU, our balance of payments with the remaining EU will IMPROVE, trade WILL CONTINUE (these other countries will still want to sell us their wares), we will bve able to control immigration, we will be able to give benefits only after the claimant has worked for a period and paid taxes, we will be able to work to UK laws again, we will not have to support vast armies of EU beaurocrats, etc, etc.
Wonderful, an immigrant worker can claim up to £250 PER WEEK! not having paid into the system, or only paying for a few months, ands a poor OAP, having paid in all their lives, and in many cases having fought for their country, have to struggle on less than £100 PER WEEK! One word DISGUSTING!!!!!!!
I spend a lot of time in other European countries and believe me I would get NOTHING if I tried to get benefits in any of them Uk Dumber than dumb as usual They think we are a joke JJ
I agree its time we stood up to the EU, yes some come from these countries and do work and pay taxes, but many many more, come to the UK because we are a easy target for claiming benefits, I am a tax payer and I object to letting these people come here and claim benefits while I might lose my job because of all the cut backs. Just how much more do we take from the EU before we do something about it. No longer is this a green and pleasant land.
Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith, Grey & Sad & Weary UK, 03/3/2011 11:50 UKIP are just as useless, they have more than enough greedy MPs dipping into the EU pocket, have a look at the official figures for the time they spend 'working' compared to what they claim for........sorry but it's time for the BNP, it's time to take our country back.
For people commenting negitively on yet anoher E.U Directive it's too late. You all had the chance to use democracy in the last General Election and vote for UKIP if you do not like the UK being a member of th EU. Your only options now are to"Lump It" or join all the Brits in Spain remembering here in Spain the government only abides by E.U. regulations that it favours and disregards the rest. Try getting any benefits here! although you can smoke any where you like.
It's like a form of genocide. They can ignore us as we are "just" British. Enough is enough. Time to stop complaining and start acting. I will only vote UKIP from now on.
May God Help Us All...
I have nothing against EU workers, most of them work hard and are friendly, but British born workers must be put FIRST, SECOND & THIRD otherwise we will see cultural and social breakdown on a massive scale....... British born workers must be put first!!!!!
Yes, well we've only ourselves to blame! If the benefits weren't so generous, then they wouldn't be flocking here would they? What about the immigrants from the third world countries who come here by the millions claiming political asylum? They get access to benefits as soon as they step on British soil, then they invite their large families over to join them here, I suppose EU immigrants are only going to be entitled to the same rules of getting benefits as the others, so that there is no discrimination by having to wait 12 months before they are allowed to claim. By all means, let's get out of the EU, it won't stop the third world citizens from queuing up to get in here though, there are many conflicts going on at present to ensure that. The government will continue to do as they see fit and let them all in on the false basis that they will be good for the economy of this country. They should simply stop making it so attractive to come here in the first place!
Bring them all! Plenty of room!
Can the last one out make sure the lights are off please?
Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now
I see all the BNP and UKIP nutters are out in force today. These people are seriously deluded if they think that wasting a vote on these so-called parties will change anything. You might as well waste your vote by voting for the Monster Raving Loonies. In fact, they're not so very different.
"What really makes my blood boil is that only now will Germany and Austria are opening their job markets to the new members of THEIR beloved EU. Yet we have suffered from overwhelmed local services and a problems with housing for seven years due to mass immigration?"-- Harken, European Dictatorship, 03/3/2011 -------------------------- The UK had the option to restrict immigration from the new member states too, but the CBI lobbied for cheap labour (and still are).
One day after... 100,000 over 75's still working (mostly English I suspect).... makes you proud!
Its only a problem if you're skint. Where as me im paid very well along with partner! Happy days! - Anthony, Halifax, 3/3/2011 11:16 That could all change within a day...Let's hope it does you selfish man.
One of the major reasons I left England was the EU. Britain never needed to join it and should get out now and tell the EU to stuff their stupid laws.
britain unite, britain b strong ,B.N.P..u know it makes sense.. now its our turn
Aren't we a generous country eh; lets look after all the immigrants but sod the rest of us. My husband has had years of illness nearly died a few times but because he can peel a carrot gets knack all apart from £180 a month and I work my socks off so my taxes can encourage more anad more scroungers into the country, I love Britain!!
Damien Green's plan to reduce immigration to 'the tens of thousands' is just a lie. We cannot control immigration from the EU so we have a limitless flood from the member states and tens of thousands from outside the EU. All this at a time when unemployment is soaring and almost a million young people are out of work and with no future. I am sick of being milked through my tax to pay for so many people who contribute nothing. I'd love to have some to spare to help my own family. Cameron never intended to control immigration, despite his pre-election promises, and he's promoting Turkey joining the EU! A recipe for disaster for the UK.
Can anyone give advice which Country is best to emmigrate to?I simply have had enough!! this makes my blood boil!!British have to let this useless government know how we feel!!Marches anyone ?any suggestions ?!and lets face it theres more waiting to arrive in Britain, which we will be contributing to !!
This is immoral and verging on fraud. Most of these people have not paid into the welfare system (like most of us have) - yet they come here to feed off it. How low is the EU and its cohorts going to be allowed to stoop before something is done about their illegal and auocratic law making. I hope the europhiles are watching what is happening in the middle east (and to a certain extent in Greece) and taking note. This mad and nasty eu experiment will end in tears - mark my words!
Words almost fail me. Where are our politicians when we need them? Utterly useless, every one of them.
One day the British public will wake up instead of being more interested in Coronation Street/Eastenders.They vote for the three main parties and then moan. This new lot in power are no different from the last lot.We're giving billions in foreign aid and allowing hundreds of thousands of immigrants in.Those people coming in are very poor and yet the public wonder why 1 in 5 children are living here in poverty.Our hospitals are clogged up, roads jammed, housing shortage, Still WHO CARES, the country has already gone down the plug hole.The country is full up and we're broke.We need to urgently get out of the EU.
But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism' LIKE THEY STOP THAT NOW???!!!
Britain isn`t powerless to stop the move! All we have to do is leave the EU, tell them to get stuffed, reclaim our sovereignty & make claiming benefits dependant on having had gainfull employment in the UK for at least 20 years. I commend the idea to the house.
We need democracy in the UK.
How can these handouts be more than the amount a pensioner is expected to live on?! Hell will freeze over before "Call-Me-Dave" grows a backbone and defies an EU ruling!
Our benefits system and lack of oomph when treated badly means we are Father Christmas to EU member states. The other countries must be so relieved that we are so stupid, and will never do anything to alleviate the problem for us. So - please can we vote. I don't care what alleged benefits the EU gives us - we must be losing more than we gain. Out now. Bring back pounds and ounces, bent bananas and scrap cushy human rights for murderers and paedophiles.
You get outraged at this yet fail to be outraged at the money flying straight out of this country to Eastern Europen states in tax credits and child benefit. I mean this is happening right now. Lets be honest we don't even know if the kids exist.
I am truely depressed now how did we ever end up in this dire mess! GET OUT OF THE EUSSR NOW!
Right Cameron, you've spent a week talking tough to a failing dictator. Now's the time to put up or shut up to another failing dictatorship, the EU, show us you're not just another soundbite politician by telling the EU to go to hell. You may actually regain some of the respect that you lost when you compromised your principals for the whiff of power. If you don't have the power to ignore this EU edict then you and your government are of absolutely no use to the British people and Wasteminster will be exposed for the sham that most of us suspect it is. If the EU is in controll then all 650 of the self serving trough dwellers may as well be sent back to the sewers from whence they came.
DonÂ’t know why people are bothering over this, just because we are sitting with record un-employment, our health services are collapsing, education is going downhill rapidly, no council rented accommodation is available, and the country is heading for a horrendous recession when un-employment will rise to unimaginable heard of levels, but our Prime Minister is obliviously not too concerned, so let them all come and claim benefits, as IÂ’m sure our politicians know best. God help us can you imagine our country in a few years. One consolation however is that the country will be bankrupt by then and in so much of a mess no one will want to immigrate here or have I got it wrong?
this is got to be a joke .these people will take us for every penny they can get.its got to stop vote for e BNP government
A man who came over to England as an immigrant then had his "third" child here and claims all benefits under the son told someone in my family that he did not work because he "wanted" to spend time with his children!!!!!!!!! Laughable - my husband and I who are breaking even with our finances would like to spend more time with our children. Someone save us from this INSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great!!. It is obvious to anyone with foresight that the Social Security system is heading for meltdown. The increased number of Benefit immigrants who will be attracted by this, the substantial number of our own legitimate citizens who choose not to work and the blatant unchecked fraud that is going on will ensure that honest workers will have to give up more of their hard earned cash to keep it afloat. Bring them all on it will ensure that we will have to adopt a system whereby you will only get paid if you work or have worked. Can't wait for it, as reading about all the disgraceful behaviour of the abusers and our witless politicians is doing nothing for my blood pressure or hard earned wealth.
squatters, spongers...i predict a riot
This country is doomed. RIP UK.
My pension after twenty years of paying tax and insurance is £45 00 per week!( I lived abroad the other twenty years) What a disgrace this country is .I advise my children to leave ASAP
so immigrnts can only work hard and pay taxes but they will not be entitled to benefits.....who will get this taxes then lazy brits......this country is getting crazy
The idea is that they come here to work. No work, no stay! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
i predict a riot
"But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism'. You just know that statement is lie.
The British Government, Ruthless with the British taxpayer, spineless with the EU.
Just received my Northumbrian Water bill for the coming year........An increase of 9%, fortunately I can afford the extra but how many other people can't and how many of these people will be getting no pay rise this year, still as long as we can continue to provide overseas aid and more money for immigrants and asylum seekers thats all that matters isn't it.
Pentioners who fought for this Country get less than 100 pounds a week but east eurpeans who never put in days work can claim upto 250 pounds a week,I am lost, This is like pushing the self destruction button,
I never wanted to, but finally I know we have to leave the EU and regain our sovereignty. I feel like I am being robbed.
Just another kick in the teeth for the UK from the Brussels Gauleiters,Britons have to pay taxes all their working lives to to 'qualify' for their right to these benefits and have to watch thousands of foreign freeloaders get such 'rights' without contributing in any way thanks to gutless politicians who while accepting these dictats flatly refuse to grant British expats in Canada,(through the same EU courts) their right to a full state pension and no linked benefits whatsoever
RIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen? Anne Smith, Grey & Sad & Weary UK, 03/3/2011 11:50 Hi Anne, it's because not everyone believes all they read in the Daily Mail.
In a recent poll, 48% claimed they would vote for non-violent right wing parties. Maybe now that has gone up somewhat ??
I am so glad I no longer live in the UK, when is the country going to stand up for itself and stop the EU imposing ridiculous legistlation on them.
Look you stupid people we are the NWO . Do as your told. BAA BAA
Get some backbone Cameroon or the people will show how,its not just the middle east that is fed up
Now is the time to get out of the EU and send these migrants back home or to Germany & Austria if they really want them. Enough of this namby pamby left wing tosh, it is time for middle England to fight to make this country a proud nation once more.
Being in the EU is obviously a liability now, there cannot be any profitable reason (apart from benefiting the fat cat rich) why we should remain in this power hungry 4th reich.
I wonder what would happen if we all decided to leave the UK (all the people who have always worked rather) where would the money come from then to support these people? It must be reaching a stage whereby there are more people in receipt of benefits than there are people working. Have we not reached saturation point yet? I always thought policitians were intelligent people???? When are we going to have someone with some backbone and the desire to fight for this country?
Come on Cameron, tell us what you CAN do not what you can't. The country wants out, either the EU go or you will.
I get more despondent every day. If I didn't have family over here that needed me I would leave this god forsaken country. The only thing our politicians really care about is lining their own pockets before they get voted out. We, the UK citizens should strike over many things our so called government inflict upon us, high fuel duties, increased VAT, raising the retirement age, giving our taxes away in benefits however, but we are far too British to do so. Its totally unbeleivable how we let ourselves get here, we should have risen against the government a long time ago.
The HRT does not prevent migrants from claiming British State benefits. It is not difficult to qualify through the HRT interview. I can also confirm that English people are usually denied access to JSA benefits for one reason of another despite having paid the National Insurance.
BRITAIN IS POWERLESS, AND WORSE STILL SPINELESS ! ! ! HOW LONG BEFORE WE ARE PAID IN EUROES ? ? ?
This is such a non-story. The so called "Eastern Europeans" (A-8 nationals) were allowed to claim benefits since 2004 after they have registered with Home Office and had a full-time job for 1 year. The only thing that changes now is that they are not longer required to register. They still need to be in a full-time employment for at least 1 year, pay taxes, have a verifiable address etc. Daily Mail you should be ashamed of yourself for getting people in frenzy. And people commenting on this site should re-direct their hatred towards international financial institutions and businesses who are behind the credit crunch. You are being played by the right-wing propaganda who is financed by these people.
Interesting comment re other eu countries where you need to work 5 yrs for benefits However pushover UK only one week . Can we go and free load in Sweden now ?? STRAW was responsible BUT NOW CONDEM ALL TALK NO ACTION CLUELESS \HOPELESS \GUTLESS A complete JOKE as nothing will happen as with all their hot air
Can we not tell brussels to get stuffed for that is what is happening to this country well and truly , David Cameron nor those bloody politicians who kow down to the eu don't even listen to the people of this country let alone read comments in the papers and not just the DM , I am heartily sick and tired of having my taxes used for scroungers , idle workshy men and women paying benefits to children that have children , and the pigs in the trough mp's here and in Brussels, and what a pity we are so tolerant towards this parliment and it's unfair laws perhaps a taste of egypt ,is needed here and I shall be voting BNP at the next election for sure. For gods sake Cameron wake up and smell the manure that Brussels is sending us into. and get some backbone We would manage our own country without the EU we have in the past and would do so again..
Soft, soft, soft Britain! I am an immigrant, and I've been always amazed how easy to get British benefits! Who wouldn't want to live here? I hate to say this as immigrant, but British people need to take their country back! - Sam, London, UK, 3/3/2011 11:31=========================We know how easy it is to get benefits if you're an immigrant but if you're born and bred here you have very little chance indeed. When we read and hear continually about this but are unable to do anything about it, how do you think that makes us feel?
I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK - Roy, Worcester England, 3/3/2011 12:23 Correct... It's called IKA and it's the Devil's own job to prize anything out of the Greek system; they got it right, the UK shoudl do the same.
It's time to support the BNP and get out of this union which is totally destroying us.
I think its about time voting was made compulsory with a none of the above space to put your cross in then we just might get a government that listens to the electorate and does something we all want .look its own people.
The whole benefits situation has been rudely bought home to me in the last week. My husband and I have worked all our adult lifes and are now retired trying to eke out an existence on the meagre state pension. Our youngest daughter has worked since before she left school, went to university, married and had a child last year. She has had to return to work as she could not survive on her husbands wage alone. Now heres the rub, our elder daughter hasn't worked in over 9 years, has 2 children by different fathers, never married either of them and has just split from the latest one. She has managed to get a house costing £900 a month to rent that she will only have to pay £100 for, Tax Credits totalling almost £190 per week, (how, when she doesn't pay tax?), and income support for herself. This does not include her Child Benefits of course. This is equivalant to her earning £20,000+( which is incidentally the amount that her hard working sister earns). It's a kick in the teeth isn't it
it is time to come out of EC now sooner than later ..... England should also charge road tax for foriegn vehicles on a daily rate this would stop the scam of insuring vehicles abroad and paying no road tax here whatsoever as then it would be cheaper for them to tax and insure in england if they live and work here ......a friend had to pay £815 road tax for 2 and a half days road use for his truck in Switzerland as they charge by the kilometer..Just think how many foreign trucks/cars use our roads for free. France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Germany, Austria and Swiss to name a few all charge for using their highways even Poland charges by the day to use their roads. Now please someone tell me where is the BRITISH sense of fair play its time to charge them for the use and upkeep of the highways system as they charge us to use their highways. All British Road Tax Payers are subsidising foriegn hauliers at the expense of our own hauliers.
It's time we adopt a benefits program to what the US does between states. if you move to another state you are only entitled to the amount of benefits that you home state pays. So say you move from Utah to California you are only entitled to $82/week instead of $200/week. This would result in Spanairds receiving only the same number of pounds per week as they would have received if they had remained in spain and for the same limitation of the length. In Spain they only recieve Jobseeker for 6 months.
And what? I am Hungarian and have lived in the UK - working 'over' full time continiously and never claimed a penny. Although I see many British people being lazy and not wanting to work hard. You people are so comfortable, that you get to choose what sort of job you want to accept, if that doesn't come up - because YOU chose to learn a trade that is not a necessity in society, you prefer sitting at home and just live on benefits, draining your own country! In Hungary (and most Eastern European countries) you would be living on the streets with this behaviour!!!! PS: What did the British Empire do for hundreds of years? They were draining other countries... Which is true.
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country
My small rural town in Dorset is about to lose its library which is very well used, particularly by the elderly, many of who do not have cars and who have paid their Council Tax etc for years. The loss of our library will be devastating and the news that Eastern Europeans can come here, work a few weeks then claim benefits at a cost of miullions is salt in the wound of every rural town and village losing its library. It's morally wrong - like much of the EU and in future I'll vote for ANY party, no matter how right wing, that promises to get us out of the EU and if enough people do the same, perhaps the main parties will take action.
What really makes my blood boil is that only now will Germany and Austria are opening their job markets to the new members of THEIR beloved EU. Yet we have suffered from overwhelmed local services and a problems with housing for seven years due to mass immigration? How dare these countries not fulfill their obligations while trying to tell us what we must do. Time for the referendum and to leave this disgraceful, unmanaged debacle of a so called union!
Get us out of the EU now
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples! - Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 11:31========================You're not all disliked, just the ones who DO ONLY COME HERE FOR THE BENEFITS. You say you are working? In which case you pay tax into the system. Its those that pay nothing but take everything we dislike (and also our Government for allowing it). . .
I voted UKIP.
DM has already covered stories of new to comers to the UK being given housing and allowed to claum job seekers allowance, without ever working, the whole thing is out of control.
We have two choices. Get out of the EU or tell them to stick their silly immigration rules where the sun don't shine. They will huff and puff but I think we will find that the majority in France, Holland, Germany, Sweden, Denmark et al will agree with us
Isn't it bad enough paying out for British scroungers, without now handing OUR HARD EARNED MONEY (couldn't help but shout then) out to foreigners. Something tells me Britain is going to disappear and hard earning Brits are going to end up emigrating themselves. Actually, lets do that then WHERE will these scroungers their free money from, if no one is here to supplement them?
The question that remains now is is the EU trying to bankrupt Britain forcing us into the EU and to adopt the Euro ? Of course this would fit with New Labour's master treason plan, denying the country a promised referendum and selling out the country under the electorate to the EU. New Labour pushed its own politicans into the EU.. Kinnock, Mandleson, Baroness Ashton (whoever she is?) Cameron has his hands tied by a coalition government of which the Lib-Dems are pro EU. - Thanks to all you who voted Labour and Lib Dem, *YOU* are responsible for this.
Please can we come out of the EU before they all bleed us dry?
The Welfare Reform will clear the decks of UK claimants so that we can let the incomers claim. Why the hell are we still allowing the EU to tell us what we can and cannot do? No wonder they all want to come to the UK. Our Benefits policy will soon be......UK applicants need not apply, Immegrant applications welcome!!
Why are we so embarrassingly weak and useless over this? GET US OUT OUT OUT OF THE EU NOW CAMERON. There is no other choice. GET US OUT!! Unelected people in Brussels, unelected people in Downing St and we, the poor muggins British population, stuck in the middle. The Tory party is responsible for our being in Europe in the first place. Come on spineless Dave, get us out. Now we know how he finds it so easy to do soooo many U TURNS, he has no spine whatsoever. You promised us an EU referendum...when may we expect that please? Your stay in Downing St will be short, but NOT sweet, so try to make it memorable by doing JUST ONE USEFUL thing Cameron. You are a disgrace.
I do tire of this but I will say it once more.....this pontificating is pointless. We are ruled by the EU and our UK Government is rendered impotent as a result. Get used to it as all is lost.
Does this work both ways. So am I to assume, that if I want to move to Europe to try & find work - and then find myself unemployed I will be entitled to all these benefits as well?? I doubt it.
is it really possible that this spineless government (and the one before) do not realise what harm the EU is causing us? on top of the £11000 a minute we give to that corrupt institution we now have to give benefits to these people who flee their own corrupt countries
We're full and were broke and the EU morons want to load us with more immigrants. The EU has almost destroyed the UK.
Don't our moronic MPs think a Trillion in debt is enough. Maybe we should get rid of the Police and RAF entirely so we can give the money to foreign criminals, I mean spongers.
Looks like the majority on here want to leave the EU, well you better get on a plane and go because it will never happen, even the people you put in power have no inclination to leave. They tell you one thing and do another, the next step I hope is that we join the euro, that is the future. Dinosaurs are extinct because the could not keep up.
What on earth does it mean ' It leaves Britain Powerless to Refuse'? Just refuse access unless they can prove they have a UK sponser and a job that can't be filled by a UK citizen. How many more times are Europe going to kick the UK in the face, just for us to role over to get our belly tickled? It's obvious that Clueless Cameron and Clawless Cleg can't or won't lead us out of the EU, so just play the same game as Germany and France and only enforce the laws we want, and to hell with the rest.
GET OUT OF THE EU BEFORE IT DESTROYS THE UK. Any MP who is not inflamed by this should resign. The Royal Family should stop it. happening for heavens sake in stead of standing back and doing nothing. Our Fathers and past members of families of WW1 and WW2 didnt give up their lives defending their homeland for this to happen.
Listen to DCs interview on youtube and you will get the answer for it. He reaffirmed that his government has no plans to leave the EU, end of story I guess. He never once mentioned about immigration from EU while he was campaigning last year nor does he mention that even now. Nothing much can be expected.
I can't understand this.I went to Hungary to work,unlike in Britain where if you can't speak the language perfectly you have no chance of a job even if like me you have a skill that is sadly lacking in the country.I couldn't find anyone to employ me even stacking shelves in supermarkets so i enquired about benefits.No chance,zilch,zero,you have to be working full time & paying tax for two yrs to claim anything.So why is the same EU laws not applicable in Britain for migrant workers?I returned to the UK,signed on & tried to claim rent payment too,by the time i recieved benefit(6 wks) i was homeless & severely in debt.Maybe i should have pretended to not speak the lingo,claim to have several children,with no proof of their existence,& undoubtedly the benefits office would have pulled out all the stops to provide me with everything i could need.
Oh the joy of being in the EU, but what do they do for us?
Mike King Thailand. When it kicks off, or Catch something, youll be back to mummy.
UK in debt to the tune of £4 trillion (£4,000bn), according to data released in 2010 by the Office for National Satistics - £65,000 for each of us. National Debt INTEREST PAYMENTS alone will climb to £73.8bn by 2014/15, Institute for Fiscal Studies calculations. CUTS…More than 50,000 jobs are disappearing from the NHS, according to freedom of information responses, due to cuts by local health trusts struggling to save £20bn from their budgets. CUTS…fund for 21,000 people with severe disabilities cut by 2015. CUTS…The £359m Independent Living Fund (for carers so disabled can live at home and not in a care home) CUT CUTS… almost one million jobs lost in the UK because of government cuts in public spending… CUTS ...university tuition fees treble and now THIS?! SOMEONE PLEASE ORGANISE A PROTEST TO LET THE GOVERNMENT KNOW WE WANT OUT OF THE EU NOW... I'll be there, GREEN ARRW IF U WISH 2 B THERE
It is an outright untruth for Green to say they are "bringing immigration down to tens of thousands". They are bringing NET immigration for SOME non-EU routes down to that figure. GROSS immigration from all EU and non-EU routes will still be of the order of 500,000 a year. Half a million. DM - don't let him get away with that untruth.
Good grief its getting worse day by day. it all must be stopped .we canot afford it any more .the government is spineless and pathetic .for not standing up for this country.and its own people
It's total nonsense that checks are adequate. HMRC are busy cutting like crazy the people who check on tax credit fraud (I have a close friend who recently had her job disappear). Here's the deal: East Europeans come over, they register one child at school and on tax credit system. Single dad brings kid from Poland, no alarm bells? Maybe the mother comes too (briefly). Registers the kid at school, gets paperwork. (The kids don't actually have to attend - only 1 in 100 is checked, because of staff shortages). Once ONE kid is on the system, others can be added without checks. So single dad gets five kids worth of tax credits while mum & the kids live it up at home. You couldn't make it up. Having said that the figures show that the largest immigration issue is still with immigrants from Africa and South Asia where there's a post-colonial culture of 'entitlement' to handouts. (When was the last time you heard of an unemployed Chinese person? You just don't!). Ridiculous.
Time this government showed us what it is made of. No more tough talking, we want to see what you can do, get us out of the EU or tell the EU where to get off. This by even the slightest applicartion of common sense is plainly wrong.
We are a island and there are only so many tax payers,We can't sustain more people taking out than putting into the pot.If Cameron does'nt do something very soon he will see the worst riots ever to befall this country,with I suspect the full blessing of our disgruntled police force
Oh lovely - I can see where all this is leading and it isn't somewhere over the rainbow!
David Cameron please give us a Referendum. The majority of the British want out of the EU! I am sick of reading about EU regulations and directives - WE CAN MANAGE OUR OWN AFFAIRS THANK YOU!!!!!
- Karen, Stoke England, 03/3/2011 11:17 Karen I am in the same boat as you paid off due to lack of business last year,I signed on with an agency, I have worked only odd days, I have tried to claim benefits, but was told I didn't have enough stamps for per
No, No, No
So, hang on a bit. They can come in, prove they want stay here and get benefits? Yet I have paid into the system since 1968, took a five year break to go abroad, came back and was refused jobseekers allowance because I had not paid into the system for the previous two years. Where is the fairness in that???
Anyone else find it ironic that the very purpose of the EU (originally in concept) was to keep peace and prevent another world war - and now because of their insane and out-of-touch rulings - are driving more and more moderate people to favour the idealogies and vote for the far-right parties? With all this resentment building up - I hope history doesn't repeat itself...
Let us all take to the streets and protest like they do in other countries . Why are we always afraid to say anything over here?
Look the only thing is to have a GENERAL STRIKE. Then we can get out. They wont do anything otherwise. Its up to us We can make the change.Us the people
Its nice to know that the money I am loosing by getting my pension 18 months later will go to such a good cause.
This leaves Britain with only 2 options-exit the EU-lets vote! or reduce benefit entitlement and amounts to a point which is in keeping with other EU countries so that the UK is no longer attractive to scroungers of whatever nationality-Benefits should only be for the sick, elderly and disabled, and a time limited stopgap for those temporarily out of work-Why should taxpayers fork out for the idle and for those who want to hold their hands out to take but who have no intention of considering themselves first and foremose British citizens?
Powerless to stop it ? Grow up and get us out of of the European Union. That will stop it.
Come on Mr Cameron get us out of the EU now....
The government has been trying to cut benefits to certain groups of people (disability, child benefit, EMA etc etc) and now they will have to pay out to yet another group. Common sense says get us out of the EU. But no one in power actually HAS any common sense.
We need to leave the EU now! Before it sucks us under.....
Don't blame the ConDems (or Labour) - blame yourselves if you put your cross against one of those parties or failed to vote at all! Each and every one of you is a TRAITOR to this Country and its people! My conscience is clear - I voted UKIP!
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was brought up well.... TO NEVER VOTE TORY!!! Why do we bother! we have a spineless weasle as a PM, and all of his predecessors also... this country is an absolute MESS! Great Britain?? Pull the other one!!!!!
In the past when I've been between jobs I've haven't claimed with help towards my mortgage interest or council tax benefit because I couldn't afford to be unemployed for any length of time and took jobs with lower salary and prospects purely because I need to work to pay my bills. Reading this and knowing that other EU countries make people pay into the system before the can receive handouts from it disgusts me. I feel like signing the deeds of my home to the government, resigning from work to obtain income support, housing benefit, council tax benefit, etc, etc., to improve income and living standards to match the home grown and migrant ponses! If we can't beat them let's sink to thier level and join them!
We have no choice but to get out of the EU. Will freebies galore they'll flood here.
Typical Daily Mail rubbish and totally false. Not one of these (up to) 100,000 Eastern Europeans will get a penny of UK state benefits. The DWP has something called the Habitual Residency Test, which everyone has to comply with before they are paid anything. None of these people who are going to "swamp" the country would be entitled to any state handouts whatsoever. This garbage is a complete and utter non-story. But then, when did the Daily Mail and it's small minded readers let reality stand in the way of a good anti-johnny foreigner, anti EU, pro UKIP rant. Get a life you sad people.
Who signed up to this then behind closed doors, Gordon Brown by any chance? Whoever it was should be ashamed of themselves and what they have done to this country. I'm suprised any of us can be bothered to work anymore, what other country is as stupid as this one?
and my GP recently told me that if i am out of the UK for more than 6 months in a year, i become a 'temporary resident' when i AM in the UK,- despite still paying full tax and NI from 1985 til now-and that apparently means that i won't get anything but emergency medical teatment without paying for it. Thats good to know isn't it? How long will these lot need to've paid in for, to qualify for i won't get from now on as i am moving to Greece ? I asked my Greek partner what health freebies i can look forward to over here. He's only just stopped chuckling. although i must say it gets a bit better as and when we get married. Where is the 'quid pro quo' in all of this? i m not someone who'd come skulking back to the Uk just for medical treatment, but it sure does seem that priorities are skewed when a non-contributing foreigner gets treatment that i am now gonna have to pay for,after years of paying my way and visiting the doctor, as i recall , only 4 times? Its barmy.
Because we give freebies to anyone, our debt will just get larger and our currency even weaker. And as a result inflation will go higher for UK citizens..
So we do not follow the EU rules on votes for prisoners or the police holding DNA forever but we follow this? I suppose it gives a different group to blame for the state of the country apart from the ill,disabled or unemployed but must never blame the bankers oh no they did nothing wrong or the Labour overspend.
We need to get out of the EU NOW & revert back to making our own decisions. We can longer afford to be dictated by Europe.
You get exactly what you voted for, sorry but the UK is the most stupid nation on earth and a magnet for the worlds workshy,
BNP BNP BNP
If thats the case then ,How come British Pensions living outside the eu,have not had there Pension increased, Many with a pension of only £20 per week even though they have paid there NI stamps in full before they left to live with there family abroad.Seem that we treat others better than our own
The EU are a law unto themselves, they make me so ANGRY. They make up these rules with no consideration for the countries they affect. Our goverment has no back bone and we get lumbered with paying out for people we don't even want in our country. That may sound cruel but for me its true, we have enough in the country already and this scheme will just keep them coming. We are a country who gives everyone but the hardworking a free ride. It's time it stopped, it's time somebody said NO MORE!
One piece missing from your report. How do we claim back the money from the foreigners original members states? The entitlement should only be equal to that which the individual would be alowed to claim in their own country.
Well this government and the last are determined to eradicate any vestige of Britishness and culture i this country. Why the Hell am i at 73 Still paying income tax to fund these migrants and benefit scroungers. I haven't got enough money and I m also too old to emigrate or by God I would. I am sick of the politicians selling my country down the river
Brett McBain, Crete and Norway (ex-pat), -- Brett, nor can they. The DM is only trying to pump you up (which is why this may never get into print...)
Lybour signed up to all this, They didn't give a referendum on the issue! they signed away the rights of british people, there money, there laws, there freedom. Don't ever vote this sham of a party in again! total disaster and the party that ruined Britain!
Should we not have a (taxpayers) referendum on whether or not we should support any immigrants on benefits ? I hope the Tories will soon repair this damage. They will get an overall majority at the next election if they do.
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples!
Soft, soft, soft Britain! I am an immigrant, and I've been always amazed how easy to get British benefits! Who wouldn't want to live here? I hate to say this as immigrant, but British people need to take their country back!
If there are very many thousands of potential illegals waiting in France to get to this country to live a life of luxury on benefits easily obtained here then how much easier will it be for these coming here "legally". Still if you keep on voting for Curly, Larry or Mo, then nothing will change.
What was it Cameron said during the run up to the election? Something like "If I don't come up to scratch then you can vote me out"? Looks like he's going to get his wish doesn't it. If he doesn't start saying NO to Brussels then this country will fight back against all the proposed cuts and this country will no longer exist. I truly wonder what our brave men and women fought and died for so long ago. This country is a shambles all thanks to Labour and I doubt if we will ever regain our pride and democracy again. I know for sure that if I was 30 years younger I wouldn't hesitate to take myself to another country that respects it's citizens instead of the workshy and illegal immigrants that we have here now. Wake up Cameron before the riots start because believe you me, they will, people have just about had enough.
OH, you mean people from other EU countries? why did you not say so...........doesn't sell so many trashy newspapers?
Why is it that such people can enter the UK and get such enormous handouts and pensioners who have worked hard and contributed so much to the country - in one generation's case fighting and offering their lives for their country - get just a fraction as a pension? Where's the logic - why can this happen? What is the justification for it? Why doesn't anyone ever raise this issue?
I give up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whats the point in working hard in this country????? Which way to the dole queue?
What is going on? W must be the laughing stock of all.
''Changes: Damian Green said Germany and Austria will open their labour markets to Eastern Europe'' And the band played believe it if you like!
It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer. you can fly from Poland for less than £50...so what good geography when the benefits outweigh the cost literally
More lunacy forced on us by the parasites in europe. "But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop "benefit tourism"." yeah I'll bet they will. Meanwhile us that have contributed for years continue to live on a punitive pension AND get taxed on our small private pensions with no hope of claiming any of the benefits mentioned in the article. Makes you want to emigrate perhaps to one of the old eastern bloc countries!
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
Will, London, 03/3/2011 11:03... Don't blame it all on the Labour party who is the biggest supporter of Turkey joining the EU our own Mr Cameron.
I have had to give up work to care for a sick relative as I have been unable to get appropriate social care for him and I get no money at all. - Mary, London, 03/3/2011 10:56 And no doubt some do gooders will argue that you're better off than some of these economic migrants. And as for our gutless government sticking up for you instead of those migrants, well just forget it. They are just in thrall to the Hampstead socialists and as they are usually millionaires anyway, they just don't understand how you must be suffering. The UK is a great place to sponge off the state!
This just cannot be allowed to happen. We are the ONLY country in Europe who act so generously to "incomeres". When I lived in Spain I worked for everything and there are NO HANDOUTS for anyone, especially immigrants or residents of the EU choosing to live there. This country is no longer a leader in good ideas!
Pure Marxism, Communism, Leninism, Blair/Brownism. The worker you tax to death, to the layabout you give them everything they need or want.
As my wife pointed out last night, you should not be able to claim child benefit if your child was born outside the UK. Also, you shouldn't get working tax credit or any other benefit from our Government until you have paid INTO the system for a certain amount of time. We may as well all go and sit at the Arrivals areas at the airports and just hand over our money.......
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
how can this be right when my daughter who has 2 jobs just to keep a rented roof over her head and as for buying her own property - well that will never be, she has never claimed a penny benefits in her life. Yet people who have never paid into the system 'take' money from the tax she pays (ie proceeds from my daughter's hard earned wages to pay beneifts!) - yes she is grateful to have work in this climate but she works hard and that is why her employers keep her on.
The BNP are not a political party, they are a bunch of of thugs with neo-nazi ideals. The government just need to get a big set of balls. And also learn to say NO
forget the BNP or the EDL have a look at the (The English Democrats party) they are looking very good at the moment
so go to Russia and claim some benefits
Can we all claim benefits if we go to their countries too ?
Looks like wages are going to be even more depressed. Who gains ? Employers - wontgetfooledtilnxtime, tyneside uk, 3/3/2011 10:45.......................................Exactly, which is why the Tories of New Labour had no intention of doing anything about it, and why this ragbag coalition of Tories will let it continue despite Pinocchio's rhetoric. No matter which party of Tories is in power tax evasion by the rich will not only continue but be activly encouraged by tax laws ful of holes. Rich ruling for the rich.
bombard your MP in anyway you see fit , WE WANT A REFERENDUM NOW ,GET US OUT OF THE EU.
well the migrants will simply go where ever the biggest benefits can be had and we know where that is THE UK the easy option is to cut benefits NOW b4 they all arrive plus their will be a positive knock on effect that will reduce benefits for those already living it up at the taxpayers expense
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
When will this insanity end? What if half of Eastern Europe come here, which would be in the millions, would we have to give all of them more money than some British born people earn!? Where is this money coming from? Oh yes, of course, the defence budget has just been slashed. That should do it.
why is anyone taking notice of that treaty...none of us got to vote for! that dictates to us what we must,nt and must do! even the EU dose,nt take any notice of it and does as it please,s and has broken that treaty time and time again. that in its self makes the so called treaty NULL AND VOID (No longer valid or enforceable) the same as any contact thats broken and our own law,s make it illegal for a goverment in power to had any power of our country to foreign power,s.......which was NEVER amended in law to make the signing of the treaty possible!! the EU allowed by the our goverment are slowly destroying our country and our way of life for there own gain,s other wise they would be telling the EU to shuv it !!
Its time to get out off the EU, are corrupt thieving government , are giving are money away to foriegners, while we suffer. The army should return from afganistan,and arrest the government,on behalf off the british people. And put them on a charge of treason
It makes me so angry, my Daughter a victim of domestic violence awaiting to go to court to testify against her no mark of an X, cannot get a council property to be near us her parents for her own safety and sanity, i have told her to change her name by deed poll, that would speed it up for her.
The country will go bust and the Europhiles will say how did this happen? We are ruled by idiots and the electorate are idiots for allowing idiots to rule us so the mad house is now GB Ltd. I despise politicians of all political parties because they have a different genetic make up to normal people and are some kind of alien species sent to destroy us. I fully support right wing dictatorships at least you get what you see not what your promised.
The only answer is to get out of the EU. I travelled all over Europe before any of this nonsense, received my stamp on arrival, which entitled me to a three- month stay. If you wanted to settle all you had to do was prove you could look after yourself by showing a bank statement or equivalent until you found a job. The government cannot keep reducing pensions, local services etc. and then be seen to give benefits to those who have never paid in. These migrants should claim from their own country and if they can find a job in the UK then fine but otherwise no money should be given from the UK tax payer.
Worked and payed into this club from being 15 now retired living on a lot less then these people are going to be allowed wheres my human rights oh yeah i dont have any i just paid in silly me
So when is the EU going to make the Government pay a decent European State Pension? £250 per week sounds a good place to start.
In a time of savage cuts this move is just plain evil. The Government is in the process of imposing savage cuts which impinge on every family in the country, then it proposes to give the savings away to foreign nationals who have never contributed anything to our economy. This is lunatic economics, and Cameron and co should resist this European directive on a point of principle, even to the point of pulling out of the EU. However I don't think they have the guts to stand up to their European bosses, and Nick Clegg would rather see Britain go to the dogs than dare to question His Masters Voice from Brussels.
Twenty two years of working with only a maximum of three weeks unemployment. Even then I signed on as unemployed but I didn't receive benefits as I signed on to a temping agency and declared all my earnings. I have an average take home pay of £260 (after tax) - of which I have to pay all my bills, full council tax and prescriptions. I'm currently thinking of applying for migrant status in my own country.
Cameron is a gutless coward, spineless toad, I remember him saying that he would allow his people, the British people, the tax payers the right to vote on the EU. What a yellow belly Liar! The man is a fraud, total scum bag and as far as I am concerned I hope something very bad befalls him soon. We all know why they do not give us the vote, its because we the people would vote NO...So what does that tell you.Its tells me we so no to war, they go to war, we say no to the EU we are in the EU. these self important people think they know better. They don't! they are fools, paid fools! Spineless, cowards.
So to all you British sick people about to be hammered by the ATOS Gestapo , look on the bright side , the money the govornment saves will be going to someone from the other side of Europe who fancies " Chanceing it " In Brittain !
i'm sick to bloody death of things like this the u.k. is fit to burst.......no more foreigners sponging off the hard working
I have come to the conclusion that Britain is drowning in its own idiocy.
Its only a problem if you're skint. Where as me im paid very well along with partner! Happy days!
How... in the name of all that is sacred... can it be that I cannot claim anything at all although I have a UK passort and was born here in 1965 but have been out of the country for a few years. I could not even claim JSA despite 18 years paying INTO they system.
Stop griping and start voting UKIP, then you'll not have to. Is it so hard?
Utter madness. We are always being shown "State TV" of Libya and Egypt to apparently have us believe that it is just showing what the state wants it to show re government policies, can someone please tell me how our TV Stations are any different. They are just the same. So in effect we are being treated the same as people in countries that Cameron wants to change, I think it's time he started working for his own people instead of bothering about everyone else. Plus if the rest of the EU doesn't have to comply with this stupid fraudulent use of their money, why do we. There has to be a reason why they all want to come here instead of staying in France or wherever they pitch up first. I'm begining to think that the Gaddafis have more sense than our own MPs.
You would not dare print what I think of Cameron and his bunch of spivs
go to ukip web site and sign petition
Steve, Durham, 3/3/2011 9:56 - could not agree more mate. I worked for 32 years without break paid a small fortune in tax and NI and after losing my job get nothing. Not a sausage because my wife works. In my last job I paid more than £600 per week to government and get zilch in return. Can I go to another country and get some funds without working?
Just one more of the many reasons why everyone in the UK should vote for the UK Independence Party (UKIP). Unless we have a moderate political party with the guts to take us out of the UK in Government, such as UKIP, then this country is doomed as it will be wrecked by the EU with the full consent of the pro-EU Lib Dem, Tory and Labour pacts.
How about Cameron & Co. funding the REAL UK citizens to leave this shambolic country. £250 per week, our own pensioners don't get that much and they paid for it all their lives and some who's relatives with their lives.
Does this mean that if we the English move to Lithuania they also must give us 250 a week?
for godness sake pay them to stay at home please
My average weekly food bill here is 42 pounds This includes fresh (still flapping) fish and seafood. My gas electric rubbish and security comes to about 20 pounds per month.. There are no parking fees or cameras or council tax... Gasoline is 40p per litre and the temperature holds at 85F throughout the year... Why does everyone want to be there...Ha ha ha
Are we getting the full story here? This is just unbelievable ... the third or fourth story this week that has involved EU intervention over what the British people want. It's all a bit too late now, as politicians of both parties have been secretly signing over our rights to Europe for the past 20 years or so.
I find it so interesting how the media is obsessed with Eastern Europeans whom legally come over and take advantage of 'our' system - I live in Mitcham, South London and I'd like to know why all these tens of thousands of Africans we have living in Mitcham are here - How many sub-Saharan Africa countries are in the EU? If we can't deal with these people from outside of the EU claiming our benefits, what chance have we with Europeans living in the EU?!
My god what have we been doing lately, I scrimp and save go to work getting up at 5:45 every morning dirve 120 mile daily at a co2t to me of £500 a month, so that I can pay my taxes to support immigrants to live on more than I have left after travel expenses, and I have to pay full poll tax because I managed to save a little.......THIS IS TOTALLY NOT ON!!!! The EU wants kicking up the backside why is Britain continually penalised?????? Is this DISCRIMINATION on Britain,
Germany and austria will open it,s doors to A8 countries maybe so but germany and austria don,t have a benefits system like the U.K.s nor does france,spain or greece to name just a few of EUSSR countries one has to pay in to there systems for at least 2yrs to recieve any sort of benefit.Unlike the U.K. were its money for nothing and digs come free. Mr green says the U.K. system will be protected well those words don,t inspire confidence they can,t stop migrants from outside the EUSSR claiming benefits so what chance has this coalition got of protecting the system from migrants from member states. One things for sure this government will bend over backwards to comply with EUSSR laws they have not got the backbone to stand up and tell them to take a running jump.anybody from anywere can claim benefits in this country except the people who are born in the U.K. they have to fight to get a penny out of the government.
By the time..... the EU has finished with us.... we are all going to be on our knees in rags. This utter - total MADNESS - has to end. EU - REFERENDUM... before it's too late...... which it probably - already - is !!
sick of going to work and getting taxed for the foreigners to end up getting my money, would we get money in their home country no, so why do they get it here Britain as no jobs it cost millions to keep our own, all i can say is get us out of the EU send everyone back to there home land then britain will rise again.
During my stay in France Iam entitled to' ZILCH'. If you cannot speak the language you are unable to get a job, no job you cannot draw benifits, no benifits no foriegn scroungers. Its simple. If the French and other EU countries can enforce its Law why is Britain ALWAYS saddled with this CR-P? Or is it because bliar and his socialist dross signed away our independance? A Bigot. Fareham
When I first arrived in France, as a fluent French speaker and highly qualified, I thought that it would be a relatively simple task to find a job, even a low paid one. But here you have to have a certificate to say that you can operate a till! If you hadn't worked here previously, and contributed to their system you were entitled to zilch. That's how it should be in the UK. If you've never contributed you should get absolutely nothing until you have. When I was made redundant in the UK, I received a massive £53 a week. How come they'd be entitled to £250?
This is why they are knocking people of incapacity benefit to make way for this lot.
"But the department insisted that protecting the benefit system from abuse was its 'number one priority'. A spokesman said: 'No-one can just come into the UK and start claiming our benefits" The only way you can't claim benefits in the UK is to have worked here and paid taxes all your life. The government don't care about the UK people, just about pleasing the foreign immigrants.
Shamoron, you are a disgrace. STOP being the doyen of the U turns and do what you PROMISED. You PROMISED an EU referendum. Although,there's really no point now in having that. It would just be another waste of tax payers money. You KNOW how we all feel about the much loathed EU. 99.99% of British people want us OUT. The Tories took us into Europe so it's up to the Tories to get us out. Come on Dave, your tenure at #10 will be very short lived so try to do SOMETHING useful while you're there. GET US OUT!!! Failing that, Mr Useless, YOU GET OUT. We have no leadership in this country and we are just adrift. SOS....help !!
Politicians are destroying our country and acting against the interests of the people, isn't that treason? We need action, as in the Arab countries, to get rid of the treacherous dictators ruling us.
More bloody scare stories from this paper:pack it in.
You pool fools, you have lost it totally; Every one will now to go England,, free housing, free money and no need to work; The streets of England are truly paved with GOLD, except if you are one of those who are still foolish enough to be in work, then you will have to pay for this . There will be exceptions of course, all those in the Public sector will get pay rises to cover the cost, but those of you that earn the money for your nation, well what is the phrase " Up yours "
..time to leave for Aus. Canada,NZ or USA my fellow Brits. the only thing that can save this country now is a revolution! (resulting in all members of lib/lab/con under arrest facing very serious charges) - Arty, UK, 3/3/2011 10:36::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Sorry As An Aussie I hate to inform you it's just as bad over there. Food and Services are heaps more expensive in OZ. Power costs have just gone up 50% in Perth and groceries are at least 3 times more expensive. Take it from one who knows.
I actually feel sick to the stomach. This is going to encourage thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or even millions, more to migrate here. Why should I pay my taxes to support these people? Who in their right mind thinks we need these people (oh, I forgot, the Labour party)?
The question is:- "'They will have to prove they have a right to reside here and will then be asked to prove their attachment to the UK; they will have to show an intention to settle here and their reasons for coming to the UK." The answer is:- "We intend to settle here so that we can claim free housing and all the benefits that come with it so that we don't have to work anymore".
Ever feel you're part of a game where you don't know what the real objective is?
Pull the UK out of the EU??????????You would really be down the tubes very rapidly.All your farming would immediately go bankrupt with no subsidies or export markets,swiftly followed by the little remaining industry you haven't flogged off to us or India.Plus,what would DM have to whinge about then?
I want out of this country.
What is the matter with this stupid silly Country, how on earth are we supposed to afford to fund this and by WE I mean the dopey people like me and my family who are busting a gut to work and live. Our son is just about to finish 3 years at Uni and would like to go on to study for a Masters, but this has been priced out of our remit because of the hikes in Uni fees, why do English people have to pay out for prescription charges when Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland don't? Just a couple of points to think about. My advise would be, all the English people should leave England, leave whats left of it to the migrants and let them deal with it, you'd see the rats leaving the sinking ship when there's nothing left.
The Department of Works and Pensions spokesman says are number one priority is to protect the benefits system from abuse, he should say to protect themselves from be accused of malpractice. After working 40 years I suffered an accident which left me disabled 18 months ago, the DWP sent me two illegal payments which I returned and I still waiting for payment for my sickness benefits which I am legally entitled to, even winning my appeal at the Independent Tribunal Service. I suppose they're too busy with all these foreign claimants to bother about the local population because they do not want to be called racist and be politically correct, with more European immigration into this country perhaps 18 months might not be a long time in the future for hard working tax paying British people as we will be put further back in the queue I am just disgusted with senior civil servants in this country
If being a member of the EU, means we have no control over our finances, then the question has to be asked:- why are we in this organisation anyway. The hole, that this country has dug itself in, is getting deeper by the day, so let`s get ourselves out of it NOW. `Referendum` is a word that does not exist in the dictionary of present government ministers, but UKIP members have a wider vocabulary and would not be deterred from using it. -- Tom --freedom --
What is the matter with this stupid silly Country, how on earth are we supposed to afford to fund this and by WE I mean the dopey people like me and my family who are busting a gut to work and live. Our son is just about to finish 3 years at Uni and would like to go on to study for a Masters, but this has been priced out of our remit because of the hikes in Uni fees, why do English people have to pay out for prescription charges when Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland don't? Just a couple of points to think about. My advise would be, all the English people should leave England, leave whats left of it to the migrants and let them deal with it, you'd see the rats leaving the sinking ship when there's nothing left.
I wonder if the European Union would agree that all pensioners should be paid the same as Soviet Bloc immigrants, we've paid our taxes, worked and lived here all our lives so surely we should not be considered financially inferior to immigrants, or are we inferior? I live on £130 a week basic pension, I've always paid what taxes are due, so surely I deserve to be treated as well as anyone who comes to live in this country! For heaven sake, get us out of the EU, we're British not European, although some in government want us to toe the EU line.....for some reason or other! All pensioners should write to their MP demanding equality with any immigrant!
Damian Green, the Immigration Minister, said:" We’re in the process of delivering major reform to bring immigration down to tens of thousands with the introduction of a new limit on economic migrants from outside the EU.” Won't happen,he's lying!
Why are their benefits not paid at the British rate by their country of birth and not funded by the British tax payer. If they want the life of luxury without a job, then their home country can pay for it. We truly are a soft touch and our weak, inefective Government will just roll over and do what the EU says. Are you listening Cameron?
VOTE UKIP - The tories talked tough on immigration and have FAILED to da anything. - Labour created this mess and should NEVER be voted for again. - Lib Dems are a bunch of clowns and liars (more so than the other 2 main parties). The whole of Westminster NEEDS a radical shake up before it's too late.
If you are a Brit working in a foreign country you are entitled to benefits from those country's. - Speedysnail, Poole, Dorset, 3/3/2011 10:19 A simplistic and naive view. The UK is probably the only country where you can be on benefits for life. In Spain you get 4 months doles ofr every year worked up to the maximum of 2 years. There is no housing benefit, limited child benefits (lower tax until child reaches 3). We are not playing on a level playing field. If all benefits were the same across Europe, you would not see this problem.
Yet another totally rubbish article from the DM trying to get immigrants, benefits, and the EU into one story. I'm susrpised there's no mention of gypsies in it. If you read the last few paragraphs you might find that immigrants can't just walk into this country and claim benefits, and never have been able to. - rupert, yorks,uk, 3/3/2011 9:34.........Do you live in Britain?
i agree take to the streets.
BNP.....it makes sense and the time is right ...
And where does the EU think the money is going to come from? Thin Air. Other countries in Europe don't give all these hand outs so why should we.
Im sure a couple of days ago there was a story of someone claiming benefit for hundreds of people out of one address, cant we employ him to do it for the rest of the travelling wasters seeking easy cash to send to their mother country and out of the british economy?
I think this is truly appalling, I was born in the UK, I have lived here all my life, and I don't make this much at work, I can't use my car any more fuel is so expensive, and public transport is just about beyond me, yet these lazy creeps come here and take money from the hard earned tax that people like me pay every month. Get out of the EU, and set the folks of GB free of misery, throw the lot of them out.
Stop blaming the EC. They don't insist France, Spain etc dish out benefits to new arrivals. It's our own gutless, weak, ultra liberal rules of entitlement, administered by Weary Willies who couldn't run a whelk stall. " They must prove an attachment to the UK and an intention to find work." Of course the Romanian gypsies do!
I have had to give up work to care for a sick relative as I have been unable to get appropriate social care for him and I get no money at all.
There always ways to get around any system.These people will flood into the UK in the offchance that they can bypass the system. When they fail then Human Rights and the lawers paid by us will ensure they stay and recieve welfare. The south of England will not be a very nice place to live the way things are developing..Especially for poor people..Whom does the EU benifit ?We should get out NOW.
Any one from Eastern Europe can come here and claim benefits whilst those like myself who've paid into the system for 40 years cannot claim a penny because I put a few pennies aside for a rainy day. Disgusting.
We must get out of the EU a.s.a.p, if we don't we will become a third world country, and if our government won't listen to us, then maybe we should do as the people have done in Egypt and Lybia?
Germany are so short of young people, that they will paying young Poles to move there to train as apprentices. And they will be entitled to full benefits, Perhaps the UK should start to worry about this competition.
There's only one party now will get us out of this mess...
If only our leaders stopped bleating on about there being no money for all the services, and PULLED US OUT OF THE EU, there would be plenty of money to spend on these things. The truth is, the top politicians are in it for themselves, wanting to expand the EU Empire so they can eventually have a world government ruled by an elite, with them being part of that elite of course. They certainly are not handing over all that money each year to the EU Dictatorship for the benefit of the people of the UK. Quite the reverse, the ordinary people get NOTHING at all out of it, though the rich land owning cronies of those in power get hundreds of thousands from it in subsidies. Meanwhile, we are paying all that tax for this to happen. The unelected gravy train elite who are running the EU have got to be some of the most self serving people ever born. Yet we allow them to get away with it because we keep voting the same three Parties into power, and they will do nothing about it.
yet people like me who lost there job late last year are peanalised for the slightest thing, i missed one interview, immediately rebooked and attended, have applied for countless jobs but they stop a week of my money for missing one interview,now im really struggling. ive worked my entire adult life but now im facing hard times the government looking for ways to stop benefits for people including people who are seriously trying to get back into work. its almost like they want revolution here!!! they keep pushing the people to anger!
that's why most Africans and Middle Eastern immigrants don't stop when they land in Greece or Italy , nor do they stop as they pass through Germany, Austria, France and the Netherlands, they come straight here!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh they do stop here but not in the thousands that are going to Britain. They come here and take the jobs and then get the choice of paying their tax here or back in Poland for example. The government is losing tax from these people plus having to pay unemployment money to the Dutch who were put out of work. Their drinking is another problem. Sorry to say that, but you read just about every day that some trucker has been caught over the limit while in charge of a truck. Still, if the Dutch companies want drunks and workers who don't understand or attempt to understand the language. So be it but it will come back on them in the future.
Mr Cameron listen to your people,the people you represent ! GIVE US A REFERENDUM ON THE E.U. NOW !
Just what the UK needs! Come one come all, the more the merrier.
We are full enough as it is, makes me sick it really does. I work so hard to support a family of four on one income and yet a foreigner comes in and claims the full allowance simply for being here....where do we all queue up to leave?
The law changes will come into effect within weeks as the European Union scraps restrictions imposed when eight states joined the EU in 2004, and it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move. Britain is not powerless to counter the move, the leaders just don't want to lose the personal benefits they will have now or at a later date. The government also want millions off benefits, is this so they can pay the immigrants instead
We need to say NO ! and refuse entry to them ! What will the EU do if we do this ? Impose fines ? Great - don't pay them ! Jail the whole British Nation - er no! Put us us against a wall and piut a bullet in our heads ? Not really Expell us from the EU ? GREAT - BRING it on JOB DONE ! There are no problems, only solutions !
What i want to know how many other EU.countrys pay benifits to them , we have and how much would they get there.We have become the dumping ground for all the other EU states.
Read the article. No one can simply enter and claim benefits. Honestly, what is wrong with people who have been paying tax into the system claiming the benefits that that tax pays for if and when they need it? What does their nationality have to do with it? It's no more wrong for a Latvian in the UK to claim British unemployment benefit having lost their job than it would be for me, a Brit in Germany claiming German unemployment benefit if I lost my job. In both cases we are actually entitled, having paid into the system. Sometimes people forget all these European arrangements are reciprocal. And that the rest of Europe is also opening its labour market (in May). That combined with the collapse of the pound (from €1.50 to €1.15) is making the UK a far less attractive place to work for eastern Europeans.
Remember at the next election, there is only one party that will put British people first and you know which party that is. - Jon, Cleveland --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which party is that, John?
This country is being run by a LIBERAL FASCIST ELITE that has only one aim, the complete distruction of British people and our culture. Now it does'nt seem to matter what party they are or coalision of parties, the rest of the world comes first, the British people last. Words fail me.
This is outrageous, our pensioners have to subsist on a fraction of this money and yet, the greater majority have contributed to the system all of their working lives. This government havn't the guts to tell the EU that we will not obey their dictat. Lets get a government with some 'bottle'.
Why ?
There will be a very easy way round this but it will be interesting to see if our government is interested enough to find it. In terms of arguing about prisoners and their right to vote, I think immigration is far more important. So we'll just have to wait and see whether our government thinks the same.
the only way out..B.N.P and put a stop to this nonsense now....
The UK is bankrupt, over populated and in the midst of so called austerity! How can foreigners get benefits? Payment of National Insurance should be required for any benefits! This rotten country has the worst politicians and government in the world, they sem to be steeped in collective madness. We must abandon the equally mad EU. Please vote for the BNP or UKIP, we must give up on the con/lib/lab dunderheads.
Time to forget your false self pride, Great Britain! And dare not call me an Eastern European, I come from the Czech Republic where life is so much better than here for us ordinary people! Your country is on the way to hell.
Looks like wages are going to be even more depressed. Who gains ? Employers
I cant wait only when the country is completely over run will they learn, becuase the immigrants wont be paying any tax to fund the madness. Roll On the destruction of England, Rule Britania needs to be changed as we are already slaves to the EU
We need out of the EU now. Cameron says he is handing power back to the people,but although 85 percent want a vote on this issue,we Brithish are denied a vote as it is only for democratic countries.
Give us the b----y referendum we were once promised...NOW.
The EU is using us as a dumping ground time to get out I think.
Meanwhile pensioners who have paid tax all their lives are sitting indoors with coats on and eating one meal a day. Disabled and dying people worrying whether they will now be deemed fit to work and their allowances stopped. Beacause this country is BROKE, Spineless gutless government get us out of the EU now!
If we have to pay them benefits , which i believe is totally unacceptable, then they should only be paid the same amount they would recieve in there own country , that should apply to all immigrants ,untill they have contributed to the Pot ,its not science
Spoeedysnail in Dorset - I lived in Spain for 10 years and as far as I know, if the rules haven´t changed, you had to live there for 2 years to claim anything. It would be nice if all OAP´s could have 250 GBP a week - then we could live it up. What with free prescriptions in Wales and Scotland and now 250GBP a week for immigrants, then the High Speed train to pay for, then the Olympics, which which leave us broke, we don´t have a very rosy future.
Enough is Enough! It's bad enough we have allowed our own scroungers to live off the state for so many years without being forced to take in other countries! It's an outrage that someone who has never lived in this country or contributed a penny, can wlak through our boarder patrol and be entitled to be looked after for the rest of their miserable lives! Cameron and Clegg if you want another stint in the top jobs BLOCK THIS PATHETIC LOOP HOLE NOW!
It is time that we learned a few lessons from the Egyptians and the Tunisians, and liberated ourselves from the kleptocracy.
I can assure you this will not apply in France. It is rare to find foreign workers in France, Why?
Maybe they could extend this courtesy to the Libyans who will arrive here shortly?
so where will the money come from,with all the cuts being made plus the money we waste on other countries now we can ill afford this,i wish I could emmigrate and get the hell out of this country.
Watch people pack in work by the thousands. Why am I working? I am taxed to extinction to pay for these freeloaders. Why should people claim benefits who have made absolutely no contribution to them. Bankrupt? You ain't seen nothing yet. Europe will succeed where ZanuLabour only took us to the brink.
..time to leave for Aus. Canada,NZ or USA my fellow Brits. the only thing that can save this country now is a revolution! (resulting in all members of lib/lab/con under arrest facing very serious charges)
If they are unemployed anyway then they might as well be unemployed in the most generous nation for benefits and housing and unfortunately that is us! Why wouldn't they come here? It's a disgrace our political elite have allowed our country to become powerless against this.
So, at last, will someone see that there is an urgent need to CUT UK benefits so they are no higher than those in other EU states. That should end all the problems and may reduce my tax liability. After all we're all in this together.
And has long has the muppets(voters)keep voting in the current crop of politicians, there will be no stopping the communist EU,has they are all EU friendly,didn't they all promise a referendum in their manifestos, then reneged on that promise, yes folks they LIED too you ,this country will sink under the weight of all the scroungers making their way through Germany and France too get too the land of milk and honey,Trouble is soon enough we indigenous people will be eating bread and just plain water,while the scroungers have £££ thrown at them,its just a national disgrace, vote independent next time. party politics is ruining us all.
The sky is full of flying pigs. I do not believe one word they utter.
I have just tried to claim living allowance from the benefits agency due to a herniated disc in my back and nerve damage in my left leg and i have been told i am " not entitled " to any financial help at all, even though i had a dr's note at their request. Some days i can have an 'ok' day, and other days, i can't roll over in my bed or stand or walk, or sometimes get off the toilet without crying out because of the pain. I was born here, my entire family were born here, and yet genuine people like me who really ARE unable to work don't get any help. I feel SO let down, i could just cry after reading this.
What a joke
There's is a huge difference between 'can' and 'will', however if it was even 10% of the scare number quoted, it's crystal clear the country can't afford it.
beggars belief.
make you laugh dont it,give millions to other countries now millions to those that have never payed into the system being able to claim thousands
The time to take to the streets has arrived.
How many people will have to lose their jobs to fund this? The real cost will be significantly higher than this, becuase they will get free NHS etc. "It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer". This statement is complete nonsense. We are the furthest away, yet the greater number come here, bypassing Germany and Austria on the journey. I am in complete despair and wonder why I bother working and paying taxes anymore. The bankruptcy of Britain moves a step closer, probably sealed when Cameron gets his wish for Turkey to join. I fear the 2010 election was our last chance for real change, I can't see a way back now.
When are we going to take our country back, from these morons. We need new leadership, the three main politicial parties are no longer fit for purpose. We also need to take to the streets.
This is yet another reason we want out of the EU. We no longer rule ourselves. Unelected idiots from Europe who are paid a fortune are telling us what to do. We need some form of revolution to get us out. The current lot of politicians will not do it because they are are weak as dishwater and to a man are all YES men
And so it continues...
Daily Mail immigration scare story -yawn, yawn ,yawn. Will Cameron have a referendum on EU membership -NO. He hasn't got the bottle.
Oh the DWP with make sure the system is not abused by the migrants, but they can't even stop the British people abusing the system.
UK is a joke
God help us. We are already bankrupt.
And would British migrants to these EU and non EU countries be able to claim the same amount on a recipricol basis? I DONT THINK SO, its just the same old story of the EU mugging the British taxpayers and our spineless politicians afraid to stand up for our rights, not that we have many left. Up to 100,000 migrants from the Soviet Block will be eligible for the payout demanded by the fraudalent EU, and the British Government is powerless to stop it, So whats the point of having these useless politicians that are overpaid and actually have the Gall to call themselves the British Government when its plain to see its the Cretins in the EU that tell them what to do and how to rob us, the British Government in my view are just the middlemen taking their cut and handing the rest of our money to European Fraudsters. PS Cameron you are losing a lot would be Tory voters to UKIP and the BNP and who can blame them.
We do need any foreigners here. Britain has no jobs, schools, housing and our NHS is at breaking point. the millionaire government is making more and more British people redundant. We must get out of EU, they make laws that are ripping off the British worker and taxpayer.
Get us out of the EU it is costing this country millions that we cannot afford.
"..............It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer."................But the big question is....Are the benefits as good and as easy to get there as they are here, (well for foreigners at least). Think my maths are right £250 each for 100,000 over twelve months is....£1250,000,000...1.25 billion pounds...not much when you say it fast. Remember at the next election, there is only one party that will put British people first and you know which party that is.
It's about time we started reneging on our commitments - other countries do - no way should we sanction this latest edict from the European Union - come on UK Government - tell them to get stuffed
'We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse. The reality-- this is what will actually happen. Flood of claims, not enough trained staff to deal with the claims in the strict time limits allowed ; nor will there be any desire to pursue difficult cases including obvious fraud. In order to comply with targets all smaller claims will be automatically allowed. This will become common knowledge in the migrant community and multiple claims just below the automatic threshold will swamp the system.
I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK
This is totally wrong. They should have to pay into our system for at least 2 years if not longer before getting any benefits. No wonder this country is being overrun by immigrants.
Get us out of this EU bureaucratic asylum NOW. We need some very urgent action
STOP IT NOW.
While we are at it, shouldn't we take in all the Arab refugees as well. Being a delveloped nation we need to set an example for the rest of the world to follow. There are some lovely mansions around that could do with having immigrants in them.
And the powers that be wonder why over 50% of the english people are in support of a far right party to curb/stop immigration. It won't be long before that figure is 80% and then we'll have trouble, mark my words.
And this is new news? There are enough people sponging off our handouts already, this isn't shocking news and doesn't come as a surprise. Joining the EU has been the most disastrous move ever made and allowing these types of benefits is a mockery to the taxpayer, the elderly and those who have devoted their lives to protecting and serving this country. Its disgusting. I have been made redundant recently, have been working continuously for 20 years and cannot claim any benefits at all. It makes me want to vomit.
No words casn actually put into context how fed up, disgusting and disgraceful this is to British tax payers. Also, there will be many more coming here than the estimates suggest... there always is. A life on benefits in the UK is paradise for many people from these countries. And also there will be mentally ill British claimants and other genuine claiments receiving benefits today in the UK that will be taken off them in the next couple of years to save money and they will be replaced by non genuine claiments from soviet block countries. We must get out of the EU now or basically it is the end of the UK.
Go to hell! Out of the EU now, and new govt ukip/bnp govt will do me fine thanks.
This is a criminal act of theft from the tax payers! Something must be done about this to save the economy and the livelihoods of British citizens.
Come to Britain ... free handouts, free handouts. Open out your hand so we can count out a pile of pound notes for you. Roll up .... roll up .... plenty of taxpayer's money going begging. You want more?! Of course you can have more .... just spout any old reason to justify it and you can have extra! What happens when you want to go home? Don't worry, we'll send you some there. Are you entitled? Of course you are: you've got an Insurance Number haven't you? Not interested in where or how you got it: main thing is you've got it so we can give you lots of money. What about the British taxpayer who've paid all their lives and having their benefits cut now? Nah, don't worry about them: they can pay for things themselves. Roll up .... roll up!
such a joke what exactly does EU membership do for us? Hardworking people in the Uk are being penalised whilst people from other countrys seem to get everything handed to them on a plate
Have we no 'medicine' for this type of sickness. ?
Meanwhile we wait for our referendum , I'm convinced that our parliament has no authority whatsoever and is ruled by the unelected elites within the EU, There is a employment crisis and more cuts are about to bite yet we still entertain this madcap policy imposed on us by the EU on unfettered immigration from within the borders of Europe, when will these idiots who are supposedly in charge here get a grip on reality and get us out of the EU before its too late.
What a shame we are "forced" to implement something that most of us don't want. Now we don't run our country anymore due to gutless politicians. I am sure I was promised a referendum once on Europe. Ah well, another lie.
this is outragous, when will a government in this country have the balls to say enough is enough, along with many in this country is it time for us to think about the way we vote.We just cannot aford to go on like this, it is simply suiecidal for the country that i love. .
If protecting the benefits system from abuse is their ' number one priority ', why do I know so many people openly abusing it ? Just within my own small community their are people working cash in hand , those claimimg to be living apart whilst still a couple, single mums deliberately getting pregnant once their youngest child turns 7 to avoid finding work, and those climimg DLA for ridiculously minor health problems that their children have. Even though these people have been reported , nothing ever gets done.
Better start printing some more money then. Makes you wonder why the people of the UK go to work just to see 30% of their income go in total waste to the EU and it's stupid policies.
How come having worked for fifty four years, having paid all my taxes, and then having to retire through ill health, I only get a little over one hundred pounds a week, and despite having very little money in the bank I don,t qualify for any benefits. It makes me sick.
How much longer do we have to put up with the tyranny that is the EU? African and Middle Eastern countries are taking to the streets to overthrow dictators and the EU is no less than that. Human rights? What about the British tax-payers rights? Really is time to tell the EU to stuff it and withdraw from this petty dictatorship.
This is so, so, wrong. We are being bled dry by countries who DON'T allow their own countrymen to CLAIM benefits. This country is a benefit free country for every scrounger from foreign countries. It has to stop, we HAVEN'T GOT ANY MONEY for them.
I think that the EU needs to make sure that France comply with this ruling, this country is overfull while there is plenty of room for them in France.
I do not think that any UK Government will evermanage to pay off the massive debt that is hanging ove out heads. The EU are not helping countries get over the reccession.They are just ploughing along doing things there on way. The whole EU system needs to be overhauled. or we shoiuld get out and then we can allow in this country whom we want and not be persistanly dictated to.
OUR COUNTRY ...IS A ..................JOKE! AN INSULT TO US BRITISH
Sooner, rather than later, this country is going to revolt over our continued membership of the EU and the ECHR. We want our sovereignty back and our RIGHT to self-determination! Sadly, the ECHR will never grant the latter, although it supposed to uphold human rights. Referendum now!
250 pounds a week !!!!! , Totally and utterly immoral, when you consider this is more than twice the amount our state pensioners get, and these European migrants have not paid a brass halfpenny into the pot. It gets worse and worse eh The sooner we get Nigel Farage and the UKIP in No ten the better,or come to that anybody , instead the main three, DON,T BOTTLE IT NEXT TIME FOLKS AT THE BALLOT BOX 11 otherwise it will go from bad to worse ,and worse and worse etc etc etc !!!!!!!!!!!
It is crass stupidity to pay job seekers allowance, council tax benefit, housing benefit and all other subsidies to anyone who was not born and brought up in Great Britain. The sooner what was initially called the Common Market when I voted for it accepts this the better. This country has had the Great taken out of Great Britain by ill judgments of our own politicians in conjunction the greedy mind set in both Brussels and Strasbourg.
Powerless to stop this? Not so, we can tell the EU to shove it and the sooner the better. It is ludicrous we should have to pay benefits to *anyone* who hasn't contributed to this country. A whole new level of idiocy when we have to pay for foreigners' children (still living in another country) child benefits as well. A lunatic asylum is postively sane by comparison.
Would the last person to leave this dumping ground, please switch off the lights.
So what is the point of Parliament then? We are ruled by the EU as Great Britain is dead. It is now time to have an English Assembly because all the other countries in the Kingdom have one. OR maybe quit the EU!
A spokesman said: 'No-one can just come into the UK and start claiming our benefits. 'We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse. Ha,ha,ha,ha. No we don't. This idiot should try reading about the daily fraud cases involving £millions of our taxes being given away because we do not have proper checks in place.
well no point changing now just continue screwing the british people
How I wish Mr. Cameron would stop trying to dance on the world stage and sort out the vast array of problems his own country has, most of them brought about by unfettered immigration. This is a SMALL island and has not benefitted from its membership of the EU; quite the opposite. How low have we to sink before the eyes of those in power are opened and they start tackling the blaze? The British have fought for their freedom down the centuries only to become their own executioners. How sad.......and how frightening. Out of EU now and CLOSE THE BORDERS.
I guess the new benefit reforms announced,which would save the government over £5bn,is going to be paid out in benfits to Eastern European migrants.Or to make it sound easier. All UK citizens on benefits will be having their benefits cut so that migrants can claim benefits.
Madness!!! I would like to be earning £250 a week.
YOU STUPID, STUPID PEOPLE ! Anybody that works and pays tax in the UK now must be mentally certifiable.
This can't be allowed to happen, this government must stand up to Europe and refuse to accept their decision to allow immigrants from Eastern Bloc countries to claim benefits, rebates or housing. As a matter of fact this government needs to return these people to their own countries and let them be kept there. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. CAMERON YOU DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE BRITISH PEOPLE AND NOW IT WILL COST US DEARLY YOU STUPID MORON WHEN WILL YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD THAT WE THE BRITISH PEOPLE WANT OUT OF THE EU. WE DEMAND A REFERENDUM NOW>
THIS IS WHERE YOU NEED TO MAKE CUTS MR..CAMERON. NOT YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
Disgusted. Cameron do something and get us out of the EU now.
what's the point in limiting the non EU migration as they can't do anything about the EU migration. It just a political game the goverment play saying they would restrict the non EU migrant but to be honest it wont make much of the difference on net migration. More people are coming in the UK (mainly from non EU) than going out.
the time to leave the EU is long past. great britain will disappear forever if we stay in. i am sick of being dictated to by a useless bunch of redundant EU beaurocrats, who have achieved absolutely nothing of any worth.
If we are to follow these stupid EU rules, then we must stop paying the membership fees as well. Tell Brussels that to use their rules we MUST stop paying them any money. After all who would still pay into a company that has not published accredited accounts for thirteen years or so.
They WONT get a penny if they come to Spain ,Spanish have to pay into the system before you get any back and i believe its some years before any payments ??.ONLY IN THE UK DO WE GIVE OUR MONEY AWAY.
The best way to protect the system from any abuse is not to let them in in the first place! Cam-moron-gives us our promised EU referendum NOW!
"In a move that could cost the British taxpayer tens of millions of pounds, migrants from the Soviet bloc will be allowed jobseeker's allowance, council tax benefit and housing benefit ". ----No wonder they are queuing up in Calais and other ports along the English Channel to get into the UK. And, that is just the illegals. We are the softest touch in the whole of the western world for immigrants and the funding of them be they legal or illegal. The immigrant now takes precedence above a UK born citizen it would seem. It appears the Coalition are as bad a Labour were in their Border Control efficiency. It is non existant.
Are you freaking kidding or what ??? . There are pensioners out there who went through the second world war to defend this country get half, if not less than that, some cant even afford heating or a real meal, if this stupid,out of focus, clueless EU wants us to pay these imigrants £250 a week, they better foot the bills, I really cant help thinking why the BNP and UKIP may be an option next time round. -- We need to get out of the EU, seriously, if we dont, the real british people may one day start a revolution, theres a limit to how far one can push, and that limit is getting mighty close from what I can see.
For God's sake, get us out of the EU now! We must refuse to comply. I fo one will be voting for either UKIP or BNP at the next electipons, as the only parties who will do something about this situation.
Make's you proud to be British? as a pensioner working here for 50yrs,i dont get that much i just wish like all our other immigrates i had another country to go to ,,, for free hand out's.
I have worked 43 years to get £100 a week state pension (taxed as I have an even smaller pension from my job). Funny old world. I suppose the tax I pay goes to these people.
How can Eastern Europeans who have paid NO NI contributions or tax get benefits in the UK, when I who have paid in for over 35 years am denied any JSA because I have not paid any NI in the last 2 years ( the previous 35 years deemed irrelivent by the benefits agency) ??.
It's disgusting---this is more than pensioners get (who have paid in all their lives) just one more reason to pull out of the EU. If we have got to pay them, it shouldn't be any more than they get in their own country.
What is the point of the EU exactly? Is it just a big social experiment sanctioned by a very powerful faceless group of people? One wonders.... because when decisions are made against the grain of common sense, there must be a hidden agenda that is appeasing a small minority but destroying the majority.
Another plus for Labour. Wait for the excuses. Or are we going to get another 'Sorry, we did not think' . All the time they are laughing behind their hands, they did the social engineering they wanted to do and have now left some one else to pick up the pieces. The great irony is, the new government will make themselves so unpopular trying to get us back on the right track, Labour may well get voted in the next time around. Remember last time, they took over a good economy, stuck with the policies for a while, then went all stupid and got us in our present mess.
GET US OUT OF THE E.U NOW,WE CAN NOT AFFORD THIS
Out! Now!
Why? Why? and Why? It's time to stop this sort of madness. What will we do when earned income in the UK is surpased by the amount of benefits handed out?
One day the people of this country will get a true democratic government that will allow us to decide the future of the UK. Yes, we have the vote but, once in power, our demands are ignored by the our MPs because so many of them have there fingers in the pies of companies who want cheap labour to keep themselves in splendour. They don't care one iota about us serfs who are struggling to cope.
No wonder this country is a mess. Will the last british born person to leave, please turn off the lights and leave a note for the milkman...
This is stupid, when we havent got enough money to run our own country and look after our own people. This must STOP now. We are full up and at bursting point.
GET OUT, WE MUST GET OUT OF THE EU NOW. We will become the next third world country if we do not. We cannot afford to be in the EU and to preserve our own traditions, cultures and economics WE HAVE TO GET OUT of the EU ..................................TODAY
We need to follow in the same vein as the uprising arab nations. And say NO, we want rid of this hideous dictator and want control of our own liveand borders. We constantly have the hideous dictator Brussels and his equally hideous 2nd in command, the human rights act, telling us what to do. It's time to revolt against them. Then maybe we can have a return to a multiracial society with a monoculture..British.
In the last war we fought for values like freedom of speach, democracy and an english mans home is his castle. WELL EUROPE IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE NONE OF THOSE!
So they will have to be living and to have worked here before they qualify for benefits based on thei tax & NI payments. What's the big deal?
NO NO NO! This must be stopped. If the EU wants such people to get benefits they should fund it themselves.
What a way to discourage people coming to Britain. What an absolute insult to every taxpayer in the country. Whilst every household in the country is being screwed by every government agency, from local government to state, yet there seems to be this bottomless pit of money for those who have not paid into the system and all under the banner of the European Union. What about families who are struggling, what about pensioners, what about the British soliders who risk life and limb with sub-standard equipment, what about the hospitals that are in desperate need of money and schools. It is an absolute outrage. This will only encourage more of them to take the hop, skip and jump over to Britain and the very generous benefits system. It is way overdue for Britain to pull out of the European Union and use that 1 million pounds per hour that gets sent across the Channel for British purposes.
so who is going to pay for their pension and their kids upbringing and schooling etc. soon there will not be any money in the pot because no one will be contributing due to the fact the country will be top heavy with people receiving handouts. then the ghettos start and then the basic infrastructure roads sewerage etc will fail.take a look at the countries where they live and that is what the uk will look like in the not to distant future.
We are witnessing the systematic rape and plundering of our country aided and abetted by our own unscrupulous politicians. By the time it dawns on Lib/Lab?con voters it will be too late.
Yet another reason to leave the EU.
More social engineering by Labour. Blair had the chance to put a cap on it but chose to let in unlimited people to claim benefits and put a strain on the NHS, housing and our schools. Labour have DESTROYED this country and the poorest will suffer the most. Blair and Brown should be ashamed.
No one who has not contributed should receive benefits.
can I please apply to become Eastern European at least that way I will be able to afford to live in this cess pit of a country, instead of working and loosing 20% of my wages to tax each week for this lot.,, another reason to vote B N P
Another benefit of being in the eu. We pay in millions that disappear into the corrupt eu coffers now we have to hand out money to people who come to take our jobs and houses. These same people over load our public services. The argument is going to be they work harder then the Brits. Some of them do some of them come here purely because they get good hand outs and can squat in peoples homes without fear of being throw out. Other come and commit crimes and overload the criminal justice system and jails. Lets get out of the eu sooner than later, however I feel that later has already come and we are going to be stuck in the quagmire of eu corruption for ever.
We need to help the citizens of our own country. Giving this much money to all the scroungers and layabouts of Europe will encourage mass migration into this country. Time our government stood up for its own citizens, and let other countries worry about theirs.
Times are getting very hard here in the UK. Do those nice people at the EU not realise that it is getting very difficult to make ends meet and that we cannot really afford to give money to these poor people from abroad. I think I might have to write a letter to that nice Mr. Cameron in case he doesn't know how bad things are. I mean, if nobody tells him, how will he know. I suppose his friend, that other nice man, Mr. Osborne, he might have mentioned something to him. I think I will write to him just in case. Bye, bye.
We need to get out of the EU. Why has no one done anything? it costs £60 BILLION a year just to be a member, they now control our laws and 'himan rights' and now will bankrupt us with this mess. Egypt didn't like their government, we don't like ours - how long before we repeat their actions. Someone needs to stand up and say enough is enough we can't afford this.
We need to take to the streets and demand democracy from the European dictatorship. It worked in Egypt.
Have British politicians become so gutless they won't stand up to the EU? Try claiming benefits in France, Germany or Holland without having a job or residency status. You can't. I know as I've worked there. No wonder 3.5 million immigrants have come to the UK. Free and easy welfare. The benefits bill will rise and public services squeezed again. Utter madness.
Just goes to prove we do not need MP's, we are completely run by Brussels.
Full benefits worth £250-a-week each for up to 100,000 Eastern European migrants Says it all really what have we become a country fit for what?
No British Government, has ever been given Consent, either to join the EU, or to import Millions of Foreign Nationals. If The British People do not protest, and make a stand very soon, they will be a Minority in their own land.
Yet another totally rubbish article from the DM trying to get immigrants, benefits, and the EU into one story. I'm susrpised there's no mention of gypsies in it. If you read the last few paragraphs you might find that immigrants can't just walk into this country and claim benefits, and never have been able to.
Change the rules so you cnnot claim benefit unless you have paid UK income tax for a year and that you have to have a british address to be mailed to and have to come and collect your benefit in person from say a post office UK only account so the money cannot go abroad.
Just say NO, we will not do it, what will they do expel us from the E.U........we are not that lucky! if they have no work in Britain why are they here!! send them home and make it compulsory, the French did it with the Roma gypsies and it did not do them any harm, few weeks of moaning and pretend outrage by other E.U members and now it's forgotten.
WHY DONT WE JUST SEND OUR WAGES TO THE EU?
Habitual Residence Test my ass, our friends in the EU will find a way round this that. How much longer will the British Public tolerate Brussels Farce.
will the EU help fund these.... you can bet they won't! In the mean time the indigenous Brit will be frozen out from claiming the slightest of benefits due to the cuts. Time to close the doors and leave Europe.
Immigration minister Damian Green pointed out that at the same time that the scheme ended in the UK, countries including Germany and Austria would open their labour markets to workers from their eastern neighbours. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How much longer must we wait until these fools get a grip on immigration? geographic location has nothing to do with it, it's all about benefits which our governments repeatedly bend over backwards to give to these people at our expense, that's why most Africans and Middle Eastern immigrants don't stop when they land in Greece or Italy , nor do they stop as they pass through Germany, Austria, France and the Netherlands, they come straight here!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are enough workshy British scroungers here as it is that we're forced to support, close the borders NOW!
Come on England when are we going to wise up. If it's not the Scottish or the Welsh taking the mickey it's the Europeans. Pay in and you can take out, if it's charity you need, use the channels set up for that, but the constant drip drip of cash leaving the economy is ridiculous.
Is this true, or just anothe DM fantasy story ?
If you are a Brit working in a foreign country you are entitled to benefits from those country's. Foreign workers who come here to work and pay UK taxes to support OUR unemployed should also be able to get benefits. Its fair, its no different to the way our countries treat foreign workers and basically if you pay in . . . why shouldn't you be able to take out if you need to. I sure as hell wouldn't pay taxes into a system if it wasn't going to support me if I needed it!
Yet we are having cuts imposed on us at all levels....the NHS needs more money,.our military has had vast swathes scythed through it, our care of the elderly is in crisis.... when will the idiots of all persuasions who govern us have the balls to say no more room in the UK and start to take care of our own back yard!
do you know what i would pull out of europe now they are just a pain in the a** we should have never joined in the first place edward heath as a lot to answer for, i will never be a european as long as i live i am a Brit though and through this is an island race and we will always be should never have buildt the tunnel eirther, and i think you will find a lot of people think the same.
This has got to be the end of liveable wages for the ordinary working Briton.
this is not bloody fair we dont even get that with a state pension yet we have worked all our lives get out the EU and how dare the EU legislate against the English it isnt on. why do we have to beg for pensions to go up yet u r letting immigrants take our tax payers monies surely there is a loop hole some where
'and it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Load of rubbish, all they have to do is refuse. I can't see them refusing though, they love their lords and masters too much. They don't give a damn about the British people, but any Foreigner who comes here they'll move the earth for. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A GOVENMENT WHO CARES ABOUT THE BRITISH PEOPLE? OUT OF THE PATHETIC EU NOW!
Why?
I truly despair..
I rejust don't understand? I have had my life turned upside down, been kicked, disregarded, and thrown in the rubbish bin by employers because I am now 51 - facing discrimination by employers who consider you too old & too expensive. I have worked since 17 for over 33 years' solidly. Paid all my taxes & NI. And do you know what I can receive in Jobseeker Benefits. Not one penny!! I have been unemployed on and off for 3 years now, my family is suffering, my marriage is all but over, and despite my protestations to DWP, PM, Iain Duncan-Smith and Sir George Young, I have been told continually. "Rule are Rules" & "Sorry". This is about the final insult left. Let all and any immigrants in near vicinity in and pay them a ridiculous amount of money to do nothing... they will quickly wangle the system and amazingly the country will be in more debt. Surely to goodness, you look after your citizens above all others. Europe has gone crazy and good UK families suffer! Good grief!
Referendum on leaving EEC asap
This is stupid - in France you have to have lived and worked and paid in for 5 years to have the same rights as a French citizen (that is benefits). I think if the UK gives benefits to EU workers who are freshly arrived it will be the only country that does!
Yet another reason why we need to get out of the EU now, we have a choice with everything just no government with any backbone!
i think i might sell my house,.spend the money and find a nice squat.,it will be much cheaper,.i have pen paper and a drawing pin to pin a notice ,when i find a suitable place.,
Im lost for words now i really am. Anymore liberal fools who still want to justify the economic benefits of EU migration may need to read this. Oh and also, i think people should take a look at the tax laws regarding migration which says if you work in the UK for less than 6 months you are entitled to a full tax rebate. Guess what most migrants do?
MR CAMERON YOU ARE USELESS
Just a thought ... what happens if these squatters accidentally burn the place down .. who would be liable ? Stick that in your European Human Rights pipe ... squatters are a nuisence ..
Sign the government e-petition to make squatting illigal.
our country is out of control, thease people no they can come here and get away it, i expect they will be given houses soon etc, all on the expence of our hard working tax payers.
Cameron promised legislation to ban squatting. The Government has not done so. He also promised to ban wheel clamping. Ditto! He said immigration would be severely reduced. It has not been. We were going to ban no- win- no- fee parasitic law firms- we have not. We were going to rationalize the Human Righta Act so we could throw out illegals and foreign criminals- we have not done that, either. Come on Cameron- you can blame the world for the economy- you have to blame your goverment for the above failures!
It's for the title holder of the property to start any eviction proceedings as the law requires - if they so choose - and assuming there are no specific related anti-social issues not the business of anyone else.
Got to be the most insane country on the planet.
It is time positive action was taken by both CAMERON and the legal system to remove these parasites from the properties in which they are squatting, these people have no regard for the buildings and turn them into slums and our country into the cesspit of the world thanks to BLAIR and STRAW and their multicultural society, again CAMERON another problem can be solved by leaving the EU, we can send all these squatters back to their own country. It is so blatantly obvious that the EU has created the majority of the problems that engulf our country.
Kick them out of our homes. These people have no business being there
And another nail in the police farce coffin. This scum can sue the owner but the owner is unable to get into their property? The law is not on the law abiding's side.
This problem strikes right at the heart of what Cameron and his cronies have failed to realise with the European immigrants coming here and taking our jobs.Their statement said they couldn't afford the rents in London, well hello that's why millions commute every day, figures show many who come here want to live and work in London. Then they see just what working at a burger bar or cleaning cars will get them and it's not what they dreamed of at all. But to move into empty property should be illegal and they should be deported if caught. The crap around whether they broke in or not is not an issue, even if like the young burglar the other day, and said the window was open, They are still getting in there without consent and causing damage which is trespass. The police should go immediately they get a complaint and evict squatters that day. If they are vagrants or students without money send them home, If they have a criminal record send them home. We can't just allow this to go on.
Lets all go to their countries and squat there. See how they like that!
Squatting should be illegal. END OF.
What the hell is wrong with you people? All in arms because a FIVE MILLION POUND PROPERTY was EMPTY for TWO YEARS then squatted. Note the words in capitals, for surely therein lies the problem. We live in a world where a house can cost so much, where it can lie empty for two years, when there are hell knows how many thousands of people on housing waiting lists with a snowball's chance in hell of even getting a semi-decent property. Instead you all slavishly follow the party line of demonising those who actually take a stand against this decadence and injustice. Sorry if it sounds a tad socialist, but surely a society worth its salt would do its upmost to ensure that we provide all of its members with the fundamental right of shelter? No, instead we idolise those who produce nothing for society and keep our mouths shut as the wealth divide turns into a chasm with no chance of it being crossed. Shame on you all for being so selifh and materialistic. No wonder we're.....
At least they weren't from Dale Farm..
Better to see it lived in that to go to ruin.
the reason the law cannot stop this is E nglsh Common law which goes back to feudal times - very hard to change as it has 100's of years of precedent
why should they go back home when they are allowed to squat. They are breaking no LAWS. untill you change the law (and who is a stupid DM reader to change any law) then they are perfectly entitled to do what they are doing. THIS IS A NON STORY. SORRY.
after being away for a week on business my daughter came back to UK to find her flat was occupied by squatters,she called the police but they didnt want to know even though the squatters had been carrying on criminal activity from the flat ,stolen phones etc..and had left behind what appeared to be bomb making equipment. I have put in an official complaint on the Met Police website which they have failed to respond to after 8 weeks. I GREW UP IN THE 50'S/60'S WITH BOTH RESPECT AND FEAR FOR THE POLICE, TODAY THEY COMMAND NEITHER
Don't generally agree with squatting, but I agree less with rents so extortionate that much of London is exclusive only to the richest celebrities. - Anon, Here, Now. Yes only the wealthy and the economic inactive.
Come on Mr Cameron make trespass a crminal offence to end once and for all squating and illegal camping.
Just shows, these poor squatters don't get a chance to choose their neighbours.
I think people should read Shelter's view on squatting, not paying rent, etc.
I grew up in London and can't afford the rents, but that doesn't give me the right to squat in somebody else's house. The rents are much lower in the South of France, Spain, and other places in the sunny south, but try squatting down there and see what they do to you!
long live the EU!!!!! this is what we get belonging to that cesspit but then the EU lover boy cameron does not mind as long as we pay for it and not him
Where the hell is that law that was promised to make squatting illegal?
Please read...This flattens any argument to suggest immigration and cheap labour is good for our economy. The fact is many immigrants live in shared housing, whether thats an annex, a single dwelling, someone's converted shed or in this case squatting. My point is this, they do not pay council tax or other living our own people face, therefore they do NOT represent the true cost of living and can afford to work for less, lowering wage levels and making them unrealistic to our own people that would have to pay their full taxes. Is it any real wonder why these jobs are so unappealing to many uk citizans when all they'd be doing is working to pay taxes to support even more immigrants that continue to flock here to take advantage of our week governments and their flippant attitude towards immigration and the effect on our society as a whole. Oh yeah, they're great for the economy!
The law is an ass! Is there a judge in the country who has the sense to stop this from happening it is beyond a joke now! We have far too many free loaders in this country if our politicians were more interested in the good of the country not their bottomless pockets we would have stopped this years ago, if the money isn't taken out of politics in all respects then we won't have justice or a civilised society soon as everyone seems to be out for their own interests and allowing others who shouldn't be here to abuse the system!
Let's not impose on their human rights.
All part of the scheme to reduce us to a Third World hell-hole no doubt.
If everyone started breaking into someone else's property because they couldn't afford to live where they wanted, we would have anachy. Time for this to be treated as a criminal offence and for the police to be able to act immediately. We won't be able to go to the shops soon without someone breaking in and taking up residence and it costs more than most people have to get them out again .
Every is moaning about this and rightly so, But the majority commenting on here no doubt voted for the party's have allowed these situations to exist.......You get what you pay for, So to speak.
Good luck to them.It's a disgrace this property has been empty for two years.
I'm not sure I understand the connection between the fact that a property has squatters and their nationality. Nor indeed the fact that they - the "eastern Europeans" - reside within a certain proximity to a couple of public figures. Is there no 'news' you could be reporting on today?
There you go again, DM, using the word 'exclusive' when you mean 'expensive'. I do wish you'd stop doing that! The ones I'd like to get my hands on are the ones who that disgusting modern box beside a fine Victorian house - and the Planners who permitted it!
The reason we can't do anything is because of their human rights. Lawyers will be queuing up to take on the case. It doesn't matter how many law abiding citizens are hurt by these freeloading bums, they will not be protected. The sooner we scrap or change the bill the better.
If they can't afford the rents, then GO BACK HOME.
My friend is a single mum and she was waiting for a very long time to get a council flat........... If that sentence does not spell out to the populace just how these people see things I do not know what will? ......SO having NEVER paid into our system they think it justifiable that they can put their names down for housing in OUR country. No doubt we have already paid her maternity bills and have yet another (anchor) child to support. No one should be entitled to social housing here unless they have 3 generations of history here. That alone would go a long way in stopping incomers like these. As any help in housing costs should be assessed with the same criteria. These people are freeloaders and they should be removed from this country. ALL OF THEM EVERYWHERE should be forcibly if necessary removed. The sooner we get some backbone the sooner these problems will start to be resolved. Vote wisely if you hope for any future for our own in this country.
I can't believe those ungrateful squaters have the law on their side?! Who ever thought this could happen..in USA it's called breaking and entering and those Slags would be jailed ..then they would have a place to stay..behind bars..just bec somthing is empty doesn't give anyone the right to go in and occupy it!!! It belongs to someone!!! This just isn't right! And the attitude of these people is disgusting...gimme, gimme, gimme!!! Who can afford rent. In my home we both work to PAY the high rent!! May e they should try working..but that's not the way of these forgein freeloaders! Vile, horrible, disrespectful, scumbags!!
If these squatters have no permanent address are they working? If not they should be thrown out of the country if they are how are they registered for National Insurance Tax etc etc without a permanent address?
Don't generally agree with squatting, but I agree less with rents so extortionate that much of London is exclusive only to the richest celebrities... I'd say this is the lesser of two evils...
I have just finished a u-Gov survey. One of the questions: How do you rate Camerons leadership? Guess how I rated him?
Why do we put up with these immigrants ?
Her friend had been waiting for a council house for a long time. So what. Why is she considered for a council house in the first place. Because she has a child. More fool her. Bet she had it on the National Health and is drawing our benefits. I am struggling on a pension and I have lived here all my life paying taxes. These people should be sent back home. Damn what the EU says. Squatting should be made a criminal offence so that the police can remove them immediately. Bet there won't be much of the interior of this house left after they leave.
But I thought squatting had recently been made illegal ?
This squaters Law requires to be abolished ASAP I suppose that once they are evicted they get a council house???
Why do immigrants always think the only place to live is London? Try living somewhere cheaper or go back to your own country.
If that dilapidated looking place is worth £5,000,000 then my rather modest home with Seaviews to the front and Mountain views to the rear must be worth at least £20,000,000. Notwithstanding that why don't they just get on with changing the laws and like Scotland make it a criminal offence? Ah yes too simple and no doubt the human rights brigade would enter the fray.
I think we all should squat at those big guys law maker who thinks squatters has more rights than homeowner. Let them taste their own medicine !
I thought a law had been passed making it a criminal offence to squat in residential premises.
Good for them. If our spineless politicians fear they may upset the looney Left by installing common sense into our society, we should not be surprised when people assume the right to become professional parasites.
If they say they can't afford the rents in London, then GO BACK HOME. I hope they are not claiming benefits, because if the are, I and everyone else want some.
Why are they here if they have no jobs and can't afford rents?? Oh yeah it's UK !!
what about the law of 'breaking and entering'?i dont understand why they cant be evicted its not their home
Why are we still abiding by these archaic rules? We are in the 21st century not 18th! The Law NEEDS to change!!!!!!! If these freeloaders can't afford rent, then move somewhere else, like a different country?!!
I can't afford rents in the capital either, and I was brought up a mile from that property. But I have never gone squatting, I simply live where I can afford. 'It's ok as long as you don't hurt anyones feelings'.... my response to that is unprintable.
They do it because they can, because the law allows them to.... its a bit like them coming here for nothing in the first place and getting everything for nothing.... you would have to be daft not to. Until the law changes we will always be the laugh of the world.... from benefit scroungers and the rest of the really nice people that turn up on our shores either because they can or hitch a ride on a truck from France or a ferry. Those allowed to come here should have a job waiting for them and accommodation paid for like the rest of us.... it beggars belief that you can have your home or property overrun today in modern Britain by leeches and for them to be protected. It doesn't happen in Scotland, its a criminal offence there. Blame the government.
Good....it's about time the mega wealthy had a taste of the effects of silly legislation, mass immigration and open borders. It is these people have made the most profit from more importing more consumers and cheap labour. When a few gated communities are taken over by sqatters, perhaps we might see the received wisdom of our lords, ladies and masters take a reality check. Worse is better.
If they can't afford rents in London it's more than likely that they are probably not working. Why don't they go back to their places of origin?
What can you do no ones fault but the law in this amazing democracy. Who actually voted for this? And if the majority of people don't want it what is it law?? If this was one of the countries that all you dm lot put down these squatters wouldn't last 30 seconds and them or any of their friends would never squat again!
Anybody thought about cutting off their power or water or is that deemed cruel and unusual punishment in the UK these days?
The squatters have probably done about just as much work in their lives as their neighbours who've undoubtedly inherited their millions!
If you can't afford to live in London then please stay in your own country. I wonder how other countries would react if British subjects just simply moved into, their, empty properties. I am really tired of the pathetic, overly politically correct laws that allow people, in Britain, to abuse the system for their own gain. Perhaps we should all start squatting in our desired address then perhaps the government would address the problem more seriously.
Why aren't squatters charged with break and enter, or trespassing? Your laws are goofy!
Surely the house was locked up, so they must have broken in? That is called breaking & entering, which is against the law. Police, do your job. Get them out NOW
I'll pack my bag then shall I ??? what a disgraceful situation -if you can't afford to live in the capital then move out of it or find rent in an affordable part of the city - not squatt in one of the most upmarket areas. These people are having a laugh at everyone's expense.
I observed two very improtant things regarding the story: 1. Please, be more precisious defining the Eastern Europeans. Do you know how many East European nations do exists You generalized the squatters pointing out fingers in all Eastern Europeans ! 2. EU should have thought better about consequences after joining some of ex-communist countries in its block. The way of living in poor countries in combination with extremly liberal immigrants law in UK give a great space for manipulation to certain groups of immigrants that simply do not want to live according to civilized law given that they lived under non-civilized conditions....
How does this not differ from me breaking into someones house while they are at work and just squat there; these flats/houses belong to people who have paid alot of money for it. It should be a criminal offence and if the Government had any backbone they would have done something already about this.
"A 24-year-old Polish occupant of the property claimed she had been forced to squat in the house after being unable to afford rents in the capital" - Might I suggest that she and her squatter friends return to Poland, where I am sure the rent will be much more affordable?
Quite obviously the benefits are just not high enough, what has UK become the dumping ground for all the scum of Europe. Well done Blair/Brown, as for Dave get of your butt and save a once great country and to hell with Cleggs blackmail.
The property owner is a disgrace if this is known and allowed. Many working people can't afford their rents but are paying into society. This is sponging in every sense - how do you think they are feeding and clothing themselves??
What this message is saying...Why bother buying when you can squat anywhere
Was surprised to read in Wikipedia, that the UK has a centuries old tradition of "legalised squatting." Very sticky subject.......a restructuring or overturning of the law will prove to be difficult.
cant see much problem with the approach they have made and the house has been empty a long time. not like the Romanian bunch who took over an occupied house.
How on earth can such an ugly house be worth anything like £5 million ? No charm, no privacy. It used to be an old block of council flats and that's exactly what it looks like still.
So go home then you bunch of vile freeloaders!
The Law needs to change.
It's unbelievable what people have to put up with in this country, it is time the law was on the side of ordinary people and not ridiculous minorities with their 'rights' such as squatters and travellers.
5 million for that?!Looks a right dump
What a cesspit the country has become. I despair at our laws they always seem to protect criminal and anyone else who wants to take take take but have put nothing into this country.
............If a car was left unlocked with the keys in the ignition and I helped myself to it, I would be arrested for theft and the car would be returned to its rightful owner immediately. Yet if it a house was left 'unlocked' and I helped myself....it wouldnt be theft ?....And, as a squatter, the law would protect my rights...Crazy or what?
away from the story a bit, but it always amazes me at what money can't buy in london. fine looking house from the outside, but 5 million lol. in the very nice area of west yorkshire i am from 5 million can buy you a huge mansion with large woodland grounds. london for suckers. saying that because whenever there somethign about the north some londoner insults us.
If they camped in number 10 it would be a different matter, the law on common displaced residential occupiers would soon be changed.... The government don't care and think we all have thousands of pounds to throw at civil claims.... Pathetic country...
Why the he'll don't these people just go back to their home countries if life is so hard here? Life is hard for everyone these days without these parasites taking the micheal!!!
It absolutely boggles the mind. No money for rent so just take over someone's house. What's next? No money for a car so just take someone's car? As I have said before, if you were in Texas and you went in my house I could shoot you. No questions asked. It would seem breaking and entering laws would apply but then we have been over and over that and still the laws have not been changed.
Can't afford the rents - go home
Why do all squatters have to be so untidy? It's bad enough that they're there but they make so much MESS!
What happened to the laws that were going to be introduced to make squatting illegal? Another Cameron U-turn?
Squatting, i.e. occupying a property against the owners permission is wrong in every way and for squatters to suggest it is ok because they cant afford London rents is just making up the law to suit themselves. As the police seem impotent in these cases then the politicians need to act with legislation before some serious incidents take place.
1. If you can't afford to live over here, go home. 2. It's NOBODYS God given right to get a council property. Nice to know this 'single mum' who is no doubt Eastern European too, allows their child to live in squalor just so they can be prioritised. 3. Everyone else manages to afford to rent........TRY GETTING A JOB!!! This article shows everything that is wrong with this country. Abolish squatters rights, I can't believe they can commandeer someone elses house then threaten the owner with legal action. Stop letting these people in and giving them priority unless they can prove they can support themselves.
Here's an idea, if it's too expensive, go back to Poland!!!
Times must be hard if even eastern Europeans have to wait for a flat! Thought they were entitled to queue jump!
No doubt they will claim, and be paid, housing benefit, plus whatever else the local council will throw at them.
Outrageous.
So you can't afford to live in the capital. How about living somewhere else? Or is that for Little People?
A 24-year-old Polish occupant of the property claimed she had been forced to squat in the house after being unable to afford rents in the capital. Then don't come in to the UK to live if you can't afford it!! go back to your own country!!
They weren't forced to squat - if they can't afford London rents then they should move elsewhere or return to their own country.
It's ironic that this squat is taking place in Glenda Jackson's constituency, full of right-on Guardian-reading types. We should have more squatters in this area to rub the smarmy bien-pensants' noses in it !
'My friend is a single mum and she was waiting for a very long time to get a council flat.' Classic. I wonder how long I'd have to wait for a council flat in Poland? Oh yeah, eternity. If you can't afford the rent don't come here.
As an expat, seeing what has happened to Britain since I left, I have long since stopped reacting with anger to these stories but I keep reading the online papers due to a horrified fascination to the demise of the My decision to leave has worked out well, especially for my kids, and these types of stories remind me that the country I knew no longer exists. Life in Canada is great - most of the good of Britain is here, and very little of the cancer that killed Britain has taken hold as yet. I pray the Canadians can have more success in fighting this off than we did.
Not only have they not been deported but they are living rough, weve got foreigners living rough in this country!; labour has let this country go to the wall, come election day I know who im NOT voting for, and anyway isnt killing swans a criminal offence? Why are these people not behind bars, or not sent back to their own countries??? I feel sorry for the people of natives Peterborough, watch this space though, there coming to a town near you, to rape and pilage that too while the authorities sit back and shuffle their papers feeling all self important reciving bloated wages while doing nothing.....1 way ticket to mars please....
A lot of these people who perpetrate this crime would love to go to jail - if they are sleeping rough, then a warm bed and 3 squares, is a good thing. Seriously though, killing Swans and fishing in illegal methods should carry a prison sentence - in their own country, we catch 'em, we send 'em back why should we put them in our jails -they have perfectly good ones there!
Anybody, who even contemplates voting for ANY of the Main Parties, particularly Labour, needs sectioning. This Country is sleep walking into a Fascist State where the only ones with privileges will be the ruling classes and they will do what they want, irrespective of the damage they cause. A nightmare scenario!!
I'm sick of these illegal and unskilled European workers who come here for a free ride. It's all well and good if the immigrant has a job lined up and comes here ready to step into a job which Britain benefits from and the person will readily accept our culture - I have no problem with that at all. I wouldn't be able to emigrate to the US or Australia without having a skill they needed and I would expect to be deported if I went there to beg and poach! Where I live (on a busy street in Glasgow city centre) there are 4-5 Big Issue sellers who are clearly Eastern European and appear to be all from the same family. I thought the Big Issue was there to support OUR native homeless, not refugees!! It's disgraceful. They barely even speak English! How dare they assume they can come here just to beg on the streets! How did they get here in the first place if they had no job lined up? It's time for Britain to toughen up with immigration instead of us being made a laughing stock.
The more stories like this that we read, the more we yearn for sensible politicians like Peter Davies, The Mayor of Doncaster!
This story is clearly the result of our wonderful Free Market Economy which ensures that we pay rock bottom prices for our vegetables and processed meat by employing people on exceptionally low wages, the workers of which are predominately migrants.This demographic presently make up what is being described as the New Underclass, as they have little or no access to social benefits.Hence, their poverty will reduce them to resort to whatever survival skills they have at their disposal in order to get by.
What a SURPRISE!! The swans in and around North London particularly in Enfield have been slaughtered and eaten by the Eastern European immigrant population. But nohting has been done about it. The swans I believe belong to the Queen so are actually stealing from our Queen. But they don't care they do exactly as they please.
These people should never have been allowed into the UK and should be deported immediately. - Kate, Key West, Florida, 23/3/2010 15:24 What a ridiculous statement! Yes people who break the law should receive an appropriate punishment but deportation is a little harsh! Many migrants work legally in our country and have helped many businesses to remain in business and have contributed to our society. I am sighing while I write this as I know it will be lost on many DM readers who are frothing at the mouth, enjoying the latest migrant bashing peice of 'journalism'. Cue red arrows.
Here in Peterborough we have had migrants living by the river for some years. with all this food drifting by one cannot be surprised when they take advantage, we cant possibly talk of punishment because we must not.... So, it will go on until the council house and feed them, further ratcheting up house prices for young indigenous couples, how do we let this happen...
Why are these vile people in our country flouting our laws and destroying our wildlife?
I put humans before fish (and sport). - Lucien, Bristol, 23/3/2010 16:18 Do the red arrows next to this comment mean that 2000 mail readers but fish and sport before humans?
People go on strike for this that and the other so why are we, the people, not on strike as a country to protect ourselves? If the 'man in the street' does not act soon no one else will because there are too many people making too much money 'at the top' to be bothered. I don't just mean politicians and big business but the traffickers at the top of their lucrative 'trade'. I am sure there must be someone out there with enough clout to start a legal 'strike' and am sure a lot of people wold follow.
'It is possible that (Polish) people don't know the law. Polish migrants should learn to speak English and the laws of the land should be upheld...the next thing will be bank robbery and theft on the increase, but then when it gets to Court it will be O.K. because they don't know the law! If the Council are that concerned then give them money and a house, let them jump the housing queue. Then they can fish and kill swans without leaving the evidence.......sorted!
Hmmm. So five Polish men get caught fishing without a licence and this is used to prove that immigrants are systematically clubbing swans to death and destroying all the fish stocks in Peterborough? Any figures for the number of Brits caught poaching last week?
They know what they are doing ! That is why they do it at night and in a covert way. They are just avoiding getting caught, putting up signs is like threarening them with a feather duster !
the people are hungry. what are they do do? they need to eat. easy to pass judgement on a full belly.
This sort of thing has happened in Bedford for ages. All the anglers know so why are the Enviro Agency not doing anything on the issue?
I knew someone who fished the private carp ponds in the area who said it was a massive problem. Prized, highly expensive carp suddenly started to disappear. Carp is a delicacy in Eastern Europe. If you bring in cheap labour to a high cost country what do you expect?
Why does daily mail pick on us, Poles? I know there is a lot of us, but we are not a serious threat to your country, we're just here to work for your country so its economy would grow, and yes we pay taxes and DON'T take any benefits instead.
This is what happens when you pay people below what the locals are paid. To live in the UK you need UK wages to pay less then you have trouble as these people have to live.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse -- that is a principle laid down very firmly in this country. The courts must jail all those caught destroying our wildlife and then kick them out.
As for illegal fishing there should be clear signs explaining what is legal and illegal and if someone doesn't comply then they should be fined. - Mrs S, London, 23/3/2010 16:01 How are people living rough going to pay these fines? Anyone who cannot support themselves financially, domestically and linguistically should not have the right to stay here sponging and stealing from a country they have never contributed to in the smallest way. Immigrants can and do make a success of life here but the ones who are incapable or unmotivated to do that have no place in our society.
What's the problem? Is it better people starve or they get a dirty fish out of a mucky canal?!
'Some don't even know the laws of their own country'. So now OUR country is infested with hundreds of thousands of potential criminals who devastate our wildlife, invade our homes and flout every law in the book. Now what could be the solution, I wonder? Oh, yes, I know - more benefits, more tolerance, more understanding, more education, more healthcare, more everything. What a country! Thanks, Labour, and turn off the lights when you leave.
They have just mocked this story on The Wright Stuff, but why? This isn't about racism against immigrants this is about British people wanting to protect and appreciate their already dwindling and under threat wildlife. This is also about animal welfare. I worry when certain people don't take stories like this seriously. LEAVE OUR WILDLIFE ALONE!
Do me a favour and stop making excuses for people that break the law in our country. Ignorance is not an excuse, that applies to anyone not just immigrants. I'm so sick of people coming and stamping all over us in the UK. You stick by the laws of the country you're in otherwise face the consequencies. I'm living and working in a foreign country, I know the laws and would not break them, but maybe that's because they will be inforced. Get a grip Great Britain!
This has been going on for years and ignored. The park keepers in Enfield were told not to approach anybody seen poaching. Heart breaking when whatching a duck being hit against a tree!!! When I shouted all I got back was abuse! Lets, let them take whatever they want who needs wildlife we obviously dont have enough food in this country! Can we really sit back and watch them distroy this country????/
I realy like sunday roast swan ;), i feel then like the king. hahaah Do you realy belive in such nonsense , nobody in Poland eat swans!!!!!
Angling is a blood sport and should be banned along with hunting and shooting - BW657, London, 23/3/2010 15:43 BW657, Angling is not a blood sport. These migrants are the ones catching the fish inhumanely and its disgraceful what they are doing to the swans. Kick 'em OUT!!!! If we dont deal with it now it will only get worse, this country will be a disgusting mess, we will have no green land left because we have to house them all. All our wonderful wildlife will be eaten by these thiefs. mmm, cant wait. Thanks Labour.
The immigrants in Peterborough are offered a free trip home, the taxpayer pays for it. Only a handful have taken up the offer. I don't think signs in many languages is going to halt any fishing. Meanwhile the wages in the area are now so low. Many are looking for work and companies often employ immigrants over anyone else as they will work for well below the minimum wage. Well done Socialist Labour.
Its either law or not. Who cares if they are ignorant of the laws, break them, suffer the penalty.
"carcasses of swans have been found on the bank" So they weren't catching them to eat then because if they were, why would they leave them on the bank? Stiring I think.
This story is a similar one for rivers, ponds and streams in most areas where large numbers of migrants live. These beautiful water areas are also used as free dumps for unwanted meat by some types of restaurants; but it is also right to say that many birds and fish die from the debris left by a number of fishermen enjoying a day's relaxing sport.
This has been flagged up to the EA for the past ten years and more. Their response is to employ Diversity Officers to explain how naughty it is for foreigners to behave like this. Mostly to five year old schoolkids. Their parents can do what the hell they like. The Equalities Commission sees to that.
If they are unemployed and with nowhere to live kick them out as vagrants, as they can always go back to where they came from. Stop handing out benefits and "charitable" donations of every kind. These people have come to believe they can get a free ride in the UK How many are working in the fields and claiming benefits I wonder. Then after 12 months they will go back home and claim unemployment benefits which the Uk will of course pay using borrowed money on which we pay interest. Mad or what
There is nothing wrong with fishing, and they must have been very hungry to eat a swan. Lets hope that the British won't start doing it, because the way the life is going.............. never say never.
Would these be the very same folk, that we were assured by all and sundry, who would be adding value to our economy rather than being a drain on it?
this sort of thing has been going on for a long time ,all over the country .ignorance of our rules and laws is no excuse ,if you choose to live in another country long term or short term its up to the individual to find out the rules .Problem is poaching is not a [ target crime ]so police wont enforce it and these people know that.
Here, here !!! Christina, of Parkstone, Lots and lots of us feel the same way. Reconise our laws and culture or get out.!!!
Just make sure your vote counts everyone.
What a sad and sorry place the city I used to call home has become, in fact what a sad and sorry place Britain has become.
Sorry ,regarding the fish stocks this is seeking scape goats for declining fish stocks .I lived and worked in Germany & Holland for over 15 years ,as a course fisherman i continued my boyhood methods of returning all fish at he end of the day .The continentals would ask for our catch to take home with theirs which of course we would not do .Here in Spain its the same . One thing i can say there was never ever a shortage of fish and the ones caught were in prime condition .,unlike the fish in UK caught over and over again on overfished waters. Look at , water quality, polution and a host of other problems caused by man. I am not condoning it but a hundred or so migrants fishing every day should have no effect on a river such as the Neane . The close season from a fish protection point is a nonesense as all anglers have caught fish outside the close season in spawn it depends on the weather ,however, its nice to give the river a rest. Swans there are laws enforce them .
I read last week that 4million ex-pats want to come back to Britain.Question is "Will there be any good reason for them to do so --will they have somewhere to live,or will they have to get in the queue behind the immigrants,(when most have to sell their homes first to come back here?)I await in anticipation but I won`t hold my breath for any sensible answer off this ex government.They have messed up big time and they don`t even say SORRY.
If we were'nt in the EU these pesants would'nt be here in the first place! When caught they should be heavily fined and then deported. If they can't pay the fine they should be put in jail on work duty until its worked off and then deported!
Bit of a hard bash at the Polish. I live in East London, huge population of Polish, they seem to work hard, pay their way and have very high expectations of family life. Its the peasant types who seem to cause the trouble, they drain the canals at locks then pick the fish out the mud. If you move to Britain, be British otherwise stay where you came from. Am I allowed to say that without someone calling me names?
I put humans before fish (and sport).
A quick search brings up scores of almost identical articles from the past several years about "immigrants" killing fish or wildfowl at various locations in the UK. I strongly suspect this is an urban myth that keeps doing the rounds. One thing the stories all lack is credible evidence. There aren't comments from the police saying it's a problem or examples of actual arrests or convictions. They're based on various people saying they "believe" immigrants are to blame - nothing more. Perhaps people just desperately WANT to believe they are. Maybe the origins of the story go even further. In the 1930's in Germany, there were reports in the press that Jews were responsible for killing and eating ornamental ducks and fish. Although carp wasn't generally eaten by Germans, it was a popular dish amongst Jews.
I have been finding slaughtered swans for the last 6-7 years around peterborough, and nobody is interested when you report it.
Why aren't these people deported?
I keep reading how immigrants are handed mansions and plasma TVs?? Why are these immigrants sleeping rough? Someone is not being truthful
Blair and Brown have succeeded in turning Britain into cesspit.
Of course the low levels in fish has nothing to do with increasing river pollution?? Not sure the reason for swan carcasses... foxes?
We had this problem where I used to live in the UK. Sadly, British Law is inadequate for this type of offence. The people will not be fined or imprisoned. They will merely be given a slap on the wrist and set free to re-offend again and again.
Have you noticed that none of the main parties have even mentioned immigration or the EU in their pre-election spiel ? So don`t expect anything to change when the Lib/Lab/Con men get in again.
Even the conservative government were wary of annoying the fisherman of this country. They are a tough lot and great in number! Some of the imigrants that are sleeping rough and poaching could be used in a massive media campaign aimed at the countries they are coming from to drive the message home loud and clear that life is no better here and it is not a free for all societey that is eagerly awaiting them with food shelter and money! The people trafficers are convincing them it is great here so that they can take all their money in exchange for transporting them in the direction of the UK The same goes for the Russian suicide family last week. Try and deal with the problem at it's roots rather than trying to trim the leaves. Everything else has failed.
Its happened in my neck of the woods too. Probably all over the country and the councils knew it was happening so WHY HAVNT THE COUNCILS DONE ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I bet i know the answer!
lets face it, if we went to a middle eastern country and kissed in public then said we did not understand the law or their culture, do you think they would let ignorance be an excuse, so how come it is ok when they come here?
Come, come. Migrants can do no wrong - only the cowered, silenced indigenous population. To criticise them in any way is clearly racist and will be immediately dealt with as such. The courts will rule that it is against their civil liberties and human rights to be even politely reprimanded. Britain triumphs over the entire world in its pride at having this official attitude.
Angling is a blood sport and should be banned along with hunting and shooting
Being in the Eu does not benifit ordinary people, only polticians and big busines, and for the right to have brussels tell us what we can and cannot do, costs this country dearly Time to shut the wlecome door and get out.
We already have a law to deal with this unfortunately the police choose to ignore it because it causes them too much work and time, the vagrancy act of 1824 and it's subsequent ammendments of 1838,1935, 1966, as far as I'm aware is still in force and carries a sentence from one to three years, it covers the lot from living rough, poaching ETC, various organisations like shelter have been trying to get sections 3 and 4 of the act repealed in mid 2009, the residents of Peterborough want to tell/demand their police do their job and withold the part of their council tax that they recieve if they don't.
Dirty horrible people. I listened to a radio report from bbc radio oxford a few months ago regarding a lake owner who had to put a sign up saying No Polish! He caught these people litterally taking the fish out and eating them on the side of the lake. They turn up in droves and just take the fish and eat them, regardless of size or species. His stocks had to be completely replenished. to the cost of thousands. Of course the Human Rights activists were immediately on his case for discriminatination, and were pettioning fror him to remove his sign.
Another attack on Polish community. POLISH PEOPLE DO NOT EAT SWANS. Please get your facts right. It is a practice popular among Romanian gypsy population. As for illegal fishing there should be clear signs explaining what is legal and illegal and if someone doesn't comply then they should be fined. - Mrs S, London, 23/3/2010 16:01 The article doesn''t say they eat swans. The Poles were caught fishing. As for having signs, WHY? Anyone, anywhere, should check the laws and rules before carrying out any activity. I certainly wouldn't think of fishing in rivers in another country without firsy finding out if it was permissible. Ignorance is no defence.
Labour's enforced multicultural policy at work, for which we can thank Blair and Brown. Aren't you pleased you voted Labour? - Parks, London, 23/3/2010 14:53 Parks, I'm from Peterborough and I agree this situation is unpleasant and many areas of my city have sadly become Eastern European ghettos. But, and you know this is true, even if we had had a Tory Government this situation would still have occured. Ask Dave about Europe.
Mrs S London - it's you who should get your facts right. This is not an attack on the Polish community. The article states a correlation between swans being killed and the influx of Eastern Europeans. It does not say they are being eaten by Poles. It does say that Polish men have actually been caught fishing illegally; this is not an attack, this is fact. This government's immigration policy is an attack on the British way of life. People of many nationalities and religions come here for a better life. Sadly, this often means doing exactly what they want and trying to impose their views and culture on us while yelling 'racist' if we object and milking the system of all they are 'entitled' to. The way it should be is integrate, obey our laws and respect our culture and you're welcome. Otherwise, you have the right to leave.
These people should never have been allowed into the UK and should be deported immediately.
I thought killing swans in Britian was an act of violence against the crown, as the queen owns all the swan in Britain??
"Welcome to Britain," take whatever you want, fish stocks, swans, other people's houses, benefits, jobs, take your pick. It's all there for the taking if you are an immigrant.
We were in Western Australia a few years ago and they had exactly the same problem there. East Europeans taking fish that were undersized.
Leave the EU and their anti-British laws, (they aren't actually anti-British, it's just that we are the only ones stupid enough to obey them)
The signs will make it easier to prosecute people as they will not be able to say that they did not know what they were doing is illegal. We should be able to fine the persons country in some circumstances for many illegal acts and this would be a good start and would encourage the country to educate their citizens as to what they can and cannot do in the UK.
Isn't it tragic though, that these people came here on the promise of a better life. You can't blame them, the blame lies with the government in allowing them to come here in the first place. If they arrive with no job, no home and no money to live on, it's inevitable that they will have to live rough and survive in the best way they can. Once again, this government has a lot to answer for.
Another attack on Polish community. POLISH PEOPLE DO NOT EAT SWANS. Please get your facts right. It is a practice popular among Romanian gypsy population. As for illegal fishing there should be clear signs explaining what is legal and illegal and if someone doesn't comply then they should be fined.
This is not just happening in Peterhead, I fish at Aboyne, Kinnord, and a few other places and I have noticed the difference over the last few years in fish numbers. Many times I have caught eastern europeans taking fish that they are not supposed to and when confronted they pretend they don't know what you're saying, yet as soon as you mention "police" they soon get the message. If you move to a different country you have to read up about the laws, just in case you could be doing something considered a no-no. Learning some of the language is a good idea also, so at least you can ask if its ok to do something. Ignorance is no excuse! They have tongues in their heads, why can't they bloody ask! These people should be shipped back to where they came from if they can't abide by our laws, it happens in other countries!
Erm!, hard one here, do bears defecate in the woods? is the Pope Catholic?
the police and the balifs are the ones that turn a blind eye.polish are destroying our scottish lochs killing every pike they catch, my bf is a keen angler and respects the fish and his surrounding but the polish butcher the fish and leave a mess so people like him get the blame. many a time he has had a run in with them as they are killing the sport and giving it a bad name but the police are not interested and would rather harass him than tackle a foreigner. the balifs are worse they dont even ask for permits off these people. its a disgrace. and when they are approached its a case of they dont understand but as soon as the police/ balif is way their english is perfect.
I think UKIP stands a good chance of getting its first MP for Peterborough. Let's show the political elite that we're fed up with the EU.
Labour's enforced multicultural policy at work, for which we can thank Blair and Brown. Aren't you pleased you voted Labour?
Why in the name of all that is right and good are people like this allowed to commit such acts in Britain? Why aren't they arrested and thrown out? Oh wait... it's all part of the insane "freedom of movement" assured by the EU.
POACHING is illegal.................even when committed by EUROPEANS.
Signs to deter the poachers. Right. Theses people know they are untouchable. Whats the point.
Thats it come into the UK and do just what you want before asking, no wonder we are all up in arms the only thing these people know is take take take . Gormless Gordon and his cronies have a lot to answer for including Bliar roll on the election .
They are to be made to understand that a carp can cost as much as a TAg heur watch and that they are eating stuff that is bred purely for fishing as a sport. The theft of these fish should bed treated as seriously as if they were walking intop a jeweklry shop and stealing them. a 35lb carp could cost as much as 40pounds per pound in weight. That is over 1200 for a single fish. The penalty must be severe but more importantly they must be caught each and every time they do this. I suggest that every means at our disposal should be used to make sure that these people understand that the consequences of their actions will be severe swift and painful
We all know about it, but authorities are too scared to do anything about it, because it will be labelled racist....innit?
Why are these Eastern Europeans here? They should be made to prove they have somewhere to stay and employment before being allowed to clutter up this already overcrowded little island.
Welcome to Britain, immigration capital of europe thanks to the govt's total disregard to the numbers of illegals crossing our borders not to mention the legal one's and it's only going to get worse! Multi cultural they call it, more like invasion actually.
Gos this makes my blood actually boil, how dare they!! and how dare the government and police sit back and do nothing!! I bet a million pounds if a white British male was caught killing and eating a the story would be completely different not just Multilingual' signs going up. Next they will be drying the lake up to stop them, much like chopping down all those tree to sop dogging!!!!!
Oh dear -- this is a whole new low. Killing a Swan is akin to killing a Unicorn! It's just not cricket. How about an eye-for-an-eye... We'll chase the immigrants around with nets and put eight pound hooks through their necks!
When will us british people realise we have no country, we have no voice if no one has noticed, we have no say in any matter, we seem to have no human rights either judging by the courts. As said welcome to multi culturism, well the end to england, this is not a racist comment but a fact and a proven one, we just don't have any politicians with a set of balls!!
What a load of garbage this article is! Wye salmon have been in terminal decline since the 1980's, long before Eastern Europeans started arriving. There are salmon anglers with more than 40 years experience unable to locate a single salmon on sections of the middle Wye, yet we are to believe these newly arrived migrants are finding and catching them with ease? There are many problems for the ever dwindling stock of salmon that still run the Wye, such as abstraction, pollution from intensive agriculture, the spread of illegally introduced alien species like barbel and the constant disturbance of the spawning beds by canoeists and rafters. Eastern European poachers are a non-existent threat to salmon, they would be far more likely to be targeting the WUF's favourite cash cow the barbel.
Ahh the benefits of multiculturalism, still look on the bright side, while they're eating the salmon its giving the swans a break
Pity that they haven't tried pigeon as most towns and cities have a plenty supply of these pests. Have heard they have a swan now 'n again for a change, no dear, not the same swan, a different one.
Immigration is good for us. Tony Blair said so.
You only reap the harvest you sow in life, if you let '' anybody'' in like ALL governments have done over the last 14 years or so, you are bound to get the criminal element ,--- like bees to a honey pot, and they say it,s their human rights ( my backside ) Here in Bulgaria , '' a former Eastern block country '' you have to have a license to fish !!!! and if you are caught fishing illegally , woe betide you with the police here, but as ever the main attraction is ''BENEFITS '' not the fish !! soft touch Britain as ever, and they know they can as always get away with it,when they scream out for their HUMAN RIGHTS
Yes they are mainly POLISH ! And it is their HUMAN RIGHT to Feed themselves from an English River ! GET OVER IT . Your really going to print this aren't you ? - Dave Evans, Sofia, 4/8/2011 6:26 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. Yeah.....maybe they'll start hunting sparrows and songbirds with shotguns......just like they do at home. This wanton decimation of our wildlife must stop.
So where are the Water Bailiffs?
this is not just a problem with rivers but allso a problem with sea .these people turn up on piers across the north east and take every single fish home .nothing is to small this is a crying shame when u see responsible anglers mesure and release most fish
Keep repeating "Multiculturalism is GOOD for the UK".
Yes they are mainly POLISH ! And it is their HUMAN RIGHT to Feed themselves from an English River ! GET OVER IT . Your really going to print this aren't you ?
Theres hundreds and hundreds of people working on farms in the area What are they doing on these farms ------------- I ask because I have been trying to find work in the UK for 33 years - If the work pays the national average i want a job -----------I am a UK Citizen - born to UK Parents who had UK born Grand Parents who are now sadly dead - I have worked 33 years overseas as an expat - not continuous I had 60 days a year leave when in work and when contracts were finished I spent time in UK wih my family searching for work - Jobseeker Office Staff have been telling me since 1983 that there was nothing in the UK better I go back overseas - I went through a divorce in 2004 after 30 years of marrage - our children had finished further education then my wife decided to leave me 5 days before I came home for Christmas -- I am now living in Far East where I have been working - contract now finished - so I am looking for work - I will do anything so long as receive national average pay
Its bad enough taking all the jobs, if the Eastern Europeans want fish they should go to the fish and chip shop like the British do.
As an officer of the Angling Trust, Mark Lloyd should know more of the angling habits of the Poles than their taste for the carp. Contacting the Polish Angling Association with a view to cooperation would be a good starting point. Angling just to kiss the fish, take a photo and release it back to the river is incomprehensible to a Pole not because he is culturally different. He is not. It is incomprehensible because of different legal solutions. At home, the Poles angle legally for a snack and pay for the privilege, with 90% of the proceeds funding the hatcheries. Illegal angling is an offence attracting a fine but angling in protected waters is a crime and the perpetrator risks two years in prison, which is very seldom imposed in the UK on a driver who wipes out a family. It is not the Poles who are culturally different, it is you, the British. The carp just loves to be eaten poached (no pun intended) in a light broth, as a gefillte fish or fried on a pan rather than die of old age.
This is nothing new. They`ve been depleting our fish stocks in many rivers since they were granted access to the UK. It`s their culture and they`re more than happy to continue with it in someone elses country. Stay in the EU and you can expect more of the same.
Yet another reason to stop immigrants walking into britain from europe most polish and others dont fish for sport they fish to eat etc...Yet another reason to get rid of europe.All we seem to get out of this EU club are problems. immigrants on the run (criminals) beggers and fraudsters who steal from our benefit system etc..we have got very little out of this EU club.
OMG am I sick of all the forgeiners in OUR country.We didn`t invite you! we don`t need you! and WE can`t afford you! Go Home.
Don`t you Love belonging to the corrupt EU.?
protest the eu, organise a day to swamp the streets.
Does this new ruling mean that Brits who have been living abroad can now return to the UK and claim benefits and medical help immediately. At present they cannot have medical or any other help for 6 months. There are many pensioners who would like to return to the UK in their later years because of poor health, but unable to do so because of the 6 month rule. Has this now been waived or are we still second class citizens?
Do these that claim thebenifits have the contributions transferred from their home country?. No I thought not, same as the ten children they claim to have to claim the child benifit . Am I ANGRY you bet I am our Polititions are to busy feathering their own nests to even think about what is happening in our own Country and we stand for it!!!
If you're happy with this colonisation keep voting for the big 3............ You heard it first from the British National Party.
Just vote B.N.P. who have been telling you for years whats wrong.
Oh wake up - cant you all smell the coffee - this is a all a cynical ploy by the pro europe politicians which was started by Blair and Brown and is being carried on by Cameron to flood the country with europeans. when they have resided here for a short time they are entitled to vote - hence when the time is right and we are finally allowed a vote on europe these people will ensure that the result is a resounding YES.
Vote for UKIP as they would sort this stupidity out and get us out of the EU where we are strung along by rings in our noses like cattle to the slaughter . If you were born in the UK and have worked all your life then you get nothing. Arrive at our shores , do not work, bring in 10 dependents and you get everything free. A house, benefits, child allowance etc etc It stinks.
Isn't it strange how they find the money to pay this high benefit to them, yet can't find the money to pay pensioners a decent pension, after all the pensioners have paid into the system for years, what have the migrants contributed? does this seem fair, but then it seems common sense doesn't exist among MPs these days.
It is time our benefit rules were brought in line with some other EU countries. In some you get nothing until you have paid into the system, and then only for the period equal to that you have paid in. I believe it is still true that EU citizens without means of support can be sent back to their home countries. Get tough, with our own lot as wells as others.
WRONG! They've always been allowed to claim in 1st 12 months - just had to have a document to show they are working under the registration scheme. They don’t need this document anymore. They're now treated same as other EU nationals (France, Germany etc). They can only claim benefits if working or self-employed or for 6 months if already been working and looking for work - ie paid taxes + NI. If haven’t worked or sick etc then have to have enough money to live on to be self-sufficient without relying on benefits AND have health insurance (too expensive so they can't claim). They also can’t get it if not worked here + looking for work – no Europeans can - only Brits, Irish etc can). So stop getting your knickers in a twist xenophobes. You don’t get it do you – if we attract foreign workers + they pay taxes here + send money home – those countries at home will be able to get better economically so will be more independent + will be able to buy British goods. Think globally
Just one question .What other country in the EU offers the scale of benefits to non-citizens that the UK does? If such paradise exists perhaps all the prospective parasites can be redirected to there and prevent the overloaded UK sinking without trace into the North Sea
Cheap workers that is what this is all about. They will work for below the minimum wage and get a top up via the UK taxpayers via benefits. Welcome to rip off Britain, well ripped off if you happen to be British born.
Simple solution, the EU should standardize benefits taking into account cost of living in each state. That way there would be no financial incentive for benefit scroungers to move around.
UKIP will get my vote, There the only ones that talk sense on Europe and the rights of the British people. Laybour said, we have to join Europe so we have a voice, Sad thing is we have no voice in Europe, we have a laybour communist speaking for the British people and she is doing a terrible job with a massive pay packet and pension. Its Shocking. Word to Europe, were skint and we 3million people out of work, we don't want more benifit scroungers.
Great ! and decent British people like my husband who is self employed and has paid into the system for years, got absolutely nothing when he was seriously ill and couldn't work for several weeks.
The answer is so simple OUT OF THE EU NOW.
Total & utter B*****y madness! We have been so badly dropped in it by our not fit for purpose politicos. EU the most undemocratic scam ever foisted on a longsuffering public.
Oh great, lets just give every vagrant who pitches up here every penny we've got! We wouldn't get it if we went to their countries, not if we went to any of the other EU member states, so why the hell should we give our hard earned money away? Will this government PLEASE understand that they are NOT theLABOUR government and therefore are should not be in the business of throwing our money away. We need our money here, in our country to help our own have-nots, we do not want to hand it out to anyone else. Is anyone out there in Westminster listening to a word we say?
Why does everyone think the East Europeans claim benefits? All the ones I see in the UK are working, and working hard! Maybe the DM should actually do an investigation and report the truth - whatever that may be. - Okpulk, Ex UK, now Serbia, 25/4/2011 14:21 I'd like someone to investigate how you can see all that from Serbia?
Why do we have such weak and feeble leaders in this country ? We are drowning in debt, and they STILL allow immigrants here and change the rules to suit , Pensioners get £120 per week, out of this they have to pay all their bills, buy food, replace clothing etc ... Foreigners come here, and what do they get ? They get accommodation,£250 plus extras on top, we have demobbed soldiers living in squalor , sleeping in abandoned yards etc ... begging for food and many ending up in prison! I do wish that politicians would stand up and play the strong man and say, " Enough is Enough !!! " FOR God's we cannot feed our own , so how the hell can we be expected to feed all the rest of the money grabbers ...? GET US OUT OF EUROPE , GET US OUT OF THE UN ... and GET OUR TROOPS OUT OF WAR ZONES THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN !! I am willing to bet that you won't allow this post because the media doesn't like such truths being stated, and would prefer to lie by omission, the Enemy we face is within this country.
Perhaps we ought to pay European citizens the same level of benefit they would be entitled in their own respective country.
As an EU citizen living in a "3rd"world county feeling the economic crunch, with no social benefits whatsoever, would I be eligible for the same benefits as those mentioned above? Please someone, let me know.
So much for the sayings of Cameron and co. The benefit system is being revised to exclude immigrants from eastern Europe.
i wonder what has happened to the two years NI stamps you must have paid before you are allowed any benefits every time i sign on they keep saving ive missed some stamps so i'm not eligable for job seekers allowance although i've got 30+ years NI stamps
Great .... in they'll flock.... and people who need extra help like my pensioner mother do not get it! If I had the money I would leave the UK tomorrow and take my family with me, and never look back. - Louise, Bedfordshire, 25/4/2011 1:57 No point Louise, I can tell you from experience, that you'll find that if you can't put your hand in pocket to fund EVERYTHING and IF you find work/a job and pay into their system, you'll not be entitled to a bean and then you'll have to get to the back of the queue (as a foreigner) and await your fate. Most other Europeans are better educated than us anyway and speak 3 to 4 languages on average............... sorry but the insidious 'dumbing down' of the English has been going on for a long time.
I am lost for words! Every day I despair of this country and what it's becoming. The sooner the BNP or UKIP come into power and run the country the better!
How could it be that some bunch of complete nutters signed us up to this one-way traffic? How can it be that these Eastern Europeans can come to our shores and pick up money like its gone out of fashion with the ridiculous premis that we can go over to their countries and do the same!!!!!!!! Yea, right of course we will, I can see the ports clogged with Brits trying to get over there! The next plonker that tells me the EU is good for Britain is going to get a very serious talking to believe me.
Please sir can I pack up work now? My husband would like to as well cos he has to work a 40 hour week to clear this amount after tax.
As long as many Brits are too lazy to work, others will do it.
This is nothing short of treason by the main parties in this country. Stealing from the good tax payers of the UK and handing it to foreigners who have done nothing to contribute to our society. We the people need to remove this parcel of EU stooges and marxist infiltrators from OUR parliament NOW. We need to turn the vote on AV into the vote we were PROMISED on EU membership. In the US it is called a "write in" so come on write on the ballot paper "NO EU" we can do it,all of us together. We need to take our country back.
wouldn't it be easier for everyone if they just had the money posted to them?
What other countries in the EU are doing this?
Its time for cameron to say sorry chaps but your not entering this country as we have enough unemployed of our own and at the same time start sending all the ones that are here home .
This is why the government is working so hard on it,s witch hunt to get British people off benefits .It,s so they can make room for all the Eastern Europeans who will be getting ready to take their places as we speak !
Why does everyone think the East Europeans claim benefits? All the ones I see in the UK are working, and working hard! Maybe the DM should actually do an investigation and report the truth - whatever that may be.
Don't understand why the gov't doesn't just block all benefits. I live in Spain and to try and obtain any benefits here is nigh impossible. Why should the UK continue to support these claimants?
this is the reason i left the uk 5 years ago, it seems that things have gotton a lot worse. - michelle , australia, 25/4/2011 13:04 Me too.
I worked for 15 years, then quit work to get a second degree at university. I paid my own tuition fees and living expenses out of my own savings. The recession hit once I completed the degree, and I couldn't get a job. I also didn't qualify for any benefits, because (I was told) I didn't have two years' full NI contributions. And that's when I realised the State wasn't interested in me unless I was financially supporting their voters.
Does this mean anyone from the UK can go to any other EU country and get a similar payment and housing or is it just us the stupid British? There might be queues of Brits going somewhere a bit warmer near a beach & collecting their dole money & a nice little apartment somewhere. Or maybe in the real world they won't get either, whose the mugs?
I really never thought I would say this, but after years of trusting Labour and now the Tories to treat our own people fairly this bombshell, whilst they cut benefits for our own disadvantaged citizens, they are prepared to dish out large sums to yet more migrants ,many who hate us and our way off life , as I say I never thought Id say this but the only option seems to be the BNP, I am facing the stark reality that I may just have to vote for them
"In Germany, they say that East Europeans will continue to have no right to unemployment or social benefits even after 1 May. Why is it different in the UK? - Peter, Nuremberg, Germany, 25/4/2011 12:29" Smple!! In Germany you have your own government working in the interests of German people. In England we do not have a government of our own, we have the British government working to destroy England and her people.
It's time all of you people commenting (including myself) marched on Downing Street. Surrounded Parliament, and don't let them leave until they've got us out of the EU, and made legislation to kick out all foreign benefits spongers. Enough is enough.
Just in time for Turkey who will join soon!
Oh why does this country put all countries in the same pile? I mean, I'm an American living in Estonia, my husband is Estonian. I can say there is nothing Eastern European about the small Nordic land. They love saunas and cross-country skiing, more incredible technology that your country could ever dream of and also they DO NOT speak a Slavic or even a Baltic language (oh yes, imagine that, there is a difference). They speak an ancient Finno-Ugric language called - Estonian, RELATED to FINNISH!!! There's also Hungary and the Czech Republic - Central European countries with their own wonderful culture. I have noticed the lack in YOUR education system and your knowledge of geography, but seriously, just because they are east of you guys and you still think everything looks like Belorus in the 1960s, doesn't mean that you have to go on and on about some forgotten Cold War division of Europe. It's like you only know the last 100 years of European history. Bit unrelated post, I know.
BNP I say, I mean this will then stop what the other crap parties have started, well not necesarilly stop as it has gone way to far now, and we probarbly can't get out of this, but it can stop what is to come! Which is the downfall of our country, soon we will literally be that crippled in debt that those of us who do work, are going to be on the other end of the scale penniless paying for these spongers that are happy to come and take what we have so long earned for!
How do they get that? I worked for this country for 43 years and get about £100 pension. Perhaps if I went to Eastern Europe and then came back here, I could get £250? No I did not think so either?
this government makes me puke, what the hell is going on, i have paid NI stamps for 48 years never claimed jobseekers allowance and i get less,,,,
Can you imagine the uproar if we still had a Labour government. Cameron would have been tearing out what hair he has left!
Simple every single one of them should serve a minimum of five years military service, this will prove they are willing to work hard for their rights. Or better still reinforce the fact we are an free nation and not tied to the rules of brussels.
And I've just been told I have to sign on EVERY DAY (Mon-Fri) for my Jobseekers Allowance. They are trying to "encourage" me to end my claim even though I can't find a job; no doubt to be replaced by one of these people who have never lived or worked here! It makes me sick!
We have Tony Blair to thank for this, whose legacy will be the betrayal of our nation
The sick and disabled who actually live in Britain get cuts and threats, while a bunch of foreigners come over and receive benefits. Cameron's proving to be worse than Brown.
The government has absolutely no right to squander our inflated taxes on incomers who have contributed zilch but a drain to our economy. It does not have our permission to do so and certainly would not get our permission if we were asked. No wonder my blood pressure is increasing - government is bad for my health.
Dont moan on here get off your backsides and give your MPs your feelings . Its a typical English thing sit on here and do naff all about it Well if you all realised whats coming you would .. You are fast running into a living standard of a third world country . The MPS will still get their Salary plus exspencies and sit back as this country goes into meltdown Do something noe UK for the future of the kids I went and told my MP what i thought of him when i left the UK and believe me i was rude yet i was water off a ducks back , AND HE WAS LABOUR Carl Brisbane
The elitists are'nt listening. Vote BNP for real change for the better Roger Worthing
Come on Daily Mail, you are always printing articles like this ,and immigrant scrounger articles. Do you REALLY want something awful to happen in this country.It seems to me , reading the comments on here that people are getting extremely annoyed, why dont you (if you have the wellbeing of this nation atheart, and are not just cynicly trying to wind people up )Start a petition on our exit from the EU fiasco, I am sure most readers would sign up to it. So instead of just printing stories about stuff like this ,DO SOMETHING POSITIVE
Gormless Britain is going to hell in a handcart, but most of the electorate are too apathetic to notice or care.
can anyone explain to me how someone who has worked all their lives then loses their job can only claim£64 a week and yet foriengers can claim all this money and have not contributed a penny i truley believe the gorvernment is trying to hard to please anyone except the people they are supposed to represent how much more are we going to put up with i will definitley be voting bnp next time what have we to lose i just dont believe a thing these 3 parties say
This is British Governmental theft . We have no say in how much they take from us and no say in what they do with it. This is social engineering designed to wreck England. When are people going to realise that our biggest enemy is in Westminster?
Politicians should try managing on State Pension to which one has contributed a life's work and which is not being increased to the over 70s, and then see the difference to what these economic European immigrants are getting for doing nothing.
Now you know why the name's being changed to a universal benefit.It's the biggest threat to national identity since the second world war.
Think it's time I packed my bags and left this godforsaken country. We keep hearing from our illustrious Prime minister that we are facing hard times, so how is it that someone from another country can come over here and take that sort of money and NOT even pay into the system when there are GENUINE people with disabilities and pensioners facing cutbacks. Why should someone who is severly disabled struggle to work or why should we face working into our 80's...that will come next believe me.....only for us to watch a person from abroad take it all. The AV vote is coming up...do you think I will be bothering with that......not for a lily-livered government like we have now.
Well,, you ALL know who you should be voting for.. Dont forget to take a PEN to X your vote, so it cannot be rubbed out. Come on people, youve all had enough now so lets do something about it, yes??? Come on.. vote BNP / UKIP .. you know it makes sense.
This is just further proof that our leaders are hell bent on destroying this country.
The elitists are'nt listening. Vote BNP for real change for the better Roger Worthing
this is the reason i left the uk 5 years ago, it seems that things have gotton a lot worse.
The situation this nation is in is bad enough now, it's difficult to imagine what it will be like in 12 months time with this bombshell. What makes me so damned angry is that the local elections are next week in England and Wales and too many people are still prepared to vote for the Cons, Lab or Liberals! It is these parties that have placed this country in the position it is now, the dumping ground of Europe. We have immigrants from every corner of the globe all arriving here for benefits and housing, most of which we don't even give to our own bloody people! You people need to grow yourselves some and vote for a party that WILL stop this abuse of our country once and for all, the BNP! Ukip only want us out of the EU, they have no other policy other than that. Ther BNP will stop unfettered migration from the EU and from third world countries immediately. They will also go about renationalising the utility companies, they will also END the illegal wars this country is engaged in! BNP!
To claim Jobseekers allowance, you have to be actively seeking work and sign an agreement committing to look through papers, search the internet, make speculative approaches to employers etc. Every two weeks , when jobseekers 'sign on', they have to provide evidence of what they have done to look for work. Failure to comply with the agreement can lead to benefit being suspended. However, many of these migrant workers cannot speak , read or write English and, therefore, have problems actively seeking work as they cannot read job adverts, ring employers, attend interviews etc. Many of them just turn up every fortnight to sign on- unable to provide evidence of what they have done to look for work and are not having their benefit suspended . Many UK jobseekers have witnessed this and have queried why they are being grilled yet non english speakers are just signed on and 'waved through'. I know as I work in a jobcentre and can confirm there is a two tier system. Problems ahead.
Hang on a minute, the disability benefits for the disabled are be cut because the government cannot afford the benefits bill but they can afford to give Eastern European immigrants £250 a week. Right people it is time to sort this all out once and for all and the only way to do it is to vote BNP.
Okpulk 11:30. --- I think you'll find that many British people go on holiday to those countries. It might surprise you to learn that British people even life in those countries. ....and take money with them, and contribute to the economy of the host country, and don't expect to be given free housing and money in the bank, that's the not so subtle difference.
Great! Whilst our own poverty stricken people are having their benefits/allowances cut to the point where they are unable to meet their basic financial requirements, our gutless politicians are allowing this to happen. More and more I am being won over to the UKIP argument. It may be a one policy party, but it's the policy that seems to rankle most with a vast number of the electorate. This sort of largesse is unsustainable and there must come a breaking point. The sooner the better, if only the gormless who keep voting for the usual suspects wake up to what is happening. They seem to be blissfully ignorant of, or quite happy to being constantly screwed by those who care nothing for the indiginous population
ONE ANSWER, Vote U.K.I.P at the local and the next General Election, the only party that will withdraw from the E.U.!
nobody is telling which country will pay for benefits????? its not uk !!!! thid people will have transfered their benefits from country which they are come from................. its all about EU rules.
This way people to The Dustbin of The World !!free housing, great benefits and a government who will bend over backwards for you all!! A slap in the face for decent hardworking British Public!and poor pensioners who faught for this once good Country!
this is why i voted BNP and if the rest of you do then this type of thing would be assigned to history. the end
Mr Cameron has got to bring in a Bill of Rights. He should in this bill state that all foreigners, regardless of where they come from, have to pay into our NI and tax for at least two years before qualifying for benefits. We cannot afford to have people coming in here and not working. We have got to do something now. Also you should not be able to live in huge mansions if you are on benefits. Build grotty hostels and make them live there. Also give other benefits in kind ie food vouchers, bare minimum, and then see how many people on benefits would decide that going out to work is worth it. This abuse of our system has to be stopped now.
All we have heard from this government is cuts cuts and more cuts, well start by cutting our links with the EU. Clegg the big Europhile thinks its important that we vote for AV, well had he supported giving us that referendum on the EU membership I might have considered it. It will be NO for many reasons, but mainly because you want it so badly Clegg.
Can I make an online plea here. Will the good people of Austrailia and Canada and whoever else would like to help, come to the aid of the "rebels" in Britain. We have a dictatorship of 3 parties suppressing the rights of it's own people, this news needs to go out to the rest of the world. We need help to free us now !!!!!! Things have gone severely wrong here and we need help from other countries, sound familiar ??? well I happen to think that we in Britain are getting a worse deal that a lot of other countries which have had such help recently !!!!
If theres a reason to get out of the EU this is it .time to get out of europe with all its problems it would be better for all of us and then we should take action against all the politicians who have kept us in the EU.
for gods sake and our sake get out of the e.u
Just give them the same level of benefits they would receive in their own Country. If that is nothing, then so be it. That way the UK can't be accused of discriminating against foreign claimants and would stop 'benefit tourism' immediately.
Like most people who post on here I have always`done the right thing`. I`ve always worked hard. I`ve always paid my taxes. Taken care of my family. Made sure my car is road legal etc. When I see what else I`m actually working for i.e, supporting people who have never put a penny into this country along with many who have no intention of putting anything in I know my best option is to take early retirement and abandon the country that was my home. I`ll have a lot less money but I`m sure I`ll be a whole lot happier. Our incompetent, dysfunctional, greedy, selfish politicians have a lot to answer for.
Yada yada yada .. another thousand bubbles of hot air at the bottom of a DM benefits story. “This is madness!” “Sort it out Cameron!” “I predict a riot!” Well, I don’t. For the last twenty years the British public, of which the DM is a fair representation, have faithfully voted for parties that have systematically and openly been giving the country away to foreigners. I no longer know who I despise more, the self-serving traitor-politicians who have orchestrated this takeover of our jobs and homes, or the mass of ill-educated, whining cowards known as the British electorate. If you really care about the death of our society, the plunder of our jobs and the loss of our ethnic heritage and identity—and this is truly what it is about—DON’T XXXXING WELL VOTE FOR IT. Show some GUTS. Try a non-mainstream party. You know who. SHOW THEM THAT YOU CARE.
In Germany, they say that East Europeans will continue to have no right to unemployment or social benefits even after 1 May. Why is it different in the UK?
They should only get what they would in their own country, that way its fairer for all!
Hungary is missing from the list of A8 countries in the article. Given that a Hungarian is allegedly interviewed it's a bit of a glaring omission. The 'up to' £250 presumably includes housing benefit which UK pensioners are also able to claim if they qualify. Of course they won't qualify if they're UK migrants sunning themselves on one of the Costas.
Somebody please tell me, as a UK taxpayer can I move to any European country and claim any benefits whatsoever? Also, will my efforts to make a claim be translated into English to ensure I am getting my full entitlement?? ........Didn't think so!! - Mark, St. John's, Antigua, 25/4/2011 1:58 Yes you can,you can claim the same amount as you would get here for 6 months in most countries.The difference is that their wages are so low that our benefits are better than their wages.there will be people claiming then going home and gangs claiming their money using fake people.We are seen as the mugs of europe to them,easy pickings.
Nex thing will be. They just have to point out the Uk on a map to get benefits, or just give them a phone number (from outside the UK) to ring. Country's a Joke, the rest of the world are laughing at us.
Vote for anyone bar the big three on May the 5th......As for the AV referendum, it means nothing to me until I have my promised referendum on the EU.
Migrants to get £250 a week whilst OAP’s live on a pittance of a so-called Pension after working hard all their lives and paying their Taxes what a HELL of a reward.
If you migrate anywhere you should not be allowed to claim benefits for 5 years. You should have papers to prove you can afford to live in England. You should have a full criminal check before entering. You should have a house/flat ready to move into upon arrival. You should have a job or enough money to live 100% free from benefits. This isnt racist, it would encourage non-racist behavior as more people would respect migrants as they will know that they are not spounging.
We CAN afford it because we are saving millions by chucking the old age scroungers out of their retirement homes. It's much more desirable to have contented foreigners than happy old people! ---------------- UKIP or BNP next time.
Is it a fact that East Europeans can also claim Jobseekers Allowance even when they return home ?
this is more than pensioners get. we need something done here, marching on parliament doesnt work. we need a government with back bone we need a government which was brought up not to tell lies. we need a governemtn which looks out for its own we need a government FULL STOP ALL WE HAVE IN POWER ARE SCHOOL BOYS PLAYING AT HOUSE.
My wife and I, who worked for 40 and 45 years respectively in this country, have state pensions that do not, JOINTLY, total £250 a week. We are both English with generations of forebears who were also English. You will understand my deep 'love' for the E.U. and all it stands for!
From 2015 / 2016 new pensioners will be paid the higher rate of pension, anybody receiving their pension before then will not, they will be kept on the lower rate pension, how can that be fair particularly when the government seems more than willing to pay large amounts to incomers from all over the world, why do they continue Labour's policy of making our own pensioners second class citizen?. If they blame the rules for this anomaly, change the rules, if it's EU rules, get out of the EU, they're nothing but a drain on our finances.
All our communities are losing out with the severe cutbacks and many are vital services for the elderly and children and this is being allowed to happen right under our noses.I cannot wait for a straight talking non pc government to be voted in that will say NO MORE.
Shut the Tunnel and get out of EEU. Please stop this madness.Britain cannot afford this and governments must listen to its people.Where else in the world a country gives you anything for nothing?
This will be a licence to sub let houses which are being paid for by Housing Benefit, there will be a few millionaires created in Eastern Europe as a result of this. The benefit system is not designed to cope with these changes, we still rely on people acting in an honest way. Its a total joke from start to finish.
last week cameron was mouthing off about cutting down the numbers of asylum seekers coming in , dont hold your breath about him stopping these free loaders coming in from the eu. not only does the eu wants another £600 million off us it also wants us to give free board and lodgings to half of europe, let cameron give us the vote on europe ,before we have nothing left to fight for
well well if you cant beat em joinr em!!!. lets all go on the dole!!!! and let the immigrants pay for it!!!
Okpulk _ not many British people live in other Countries on benefits which include free housing NO Council tax and free health care free schooling in English etc etc oh and job seekers allowance - name one other Country in the WORLD which keeps foreigners in the lap of luxury as we do!
What happened to them being tough on benefit payments or is that just for the British people who have actually paid in for them.
the people of this nation are now waking up to the reality that england will be the dumping ground of all the eu,s problems,in effect the dustbin,of course this has been agreed behind closed doors and been kept secret from the nation,watch out sheeple the gvt and other eu police/security will crack our heads to make us accept these policies,it is becoming obvious they the political eu heads are just waiting for unrest to club us down to submission,what will become of this nation i just do not know,the british bulldog spirit is still there at the moment,but it can be crushed,this can only be the reason the british public are treated with such contempt,i am glad my life is nearly over and can say what a wonderful country THIS ONCE WAS BEFORE WE WERE SOLD OUT BY OUR OWN GVT
People coming here from Eastern European countries should be entitled to exactly the same benefits we would be if we went to their country . No more. No less. - DG, Here in the UK-unfortunately, and if we moved there would they give us translators? offer us all sorts of benefits that only exist here think you are bonkers...just wait till you try to move to a new flat...there isnt room now...
This sort of criminal act was given too us by the most hated men in the UK - Blair and co, it is totally outrageous that our own young people have NO jobs and we are letting in all and sundry to claim benefits - how can this be - did we truly deserve this utter betrayal of our nation - I say NO we did not, and what exactly will happen when in the non too distant future there will be no money left in the pot to pay for these people to come here, will our young men and women just sit back or stand and fight - immigration into our Country is a disgrace all you young people have been born to be slaves.
Our MP's are unfit for purpose. Get rid of them. What a joke - squeeze us till our pips squeak and treat law abiding people with contempt only to smarm everyone else from anywhere else with shedloads of money and large homes. How come they are going to get £250 a week straight away. I only get pension of less than £100. UNFIT FOR PURPOSE, BLIND AND DEAF TO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR US. Fill your boots MP,s GRAVY TRAIN GOES ON AND ON FOR YOU. Start caring about your own people.
That's considerably more than a UK pension something that you've worked for all your life. Don't politicians love doling out our money to finance their pet schemes, the EU being the greatest scam of all time.
Time to vote for UKIP or somebody who is NOT part of the 2 / 3 party system that we have had for years. The Cons / Liebour / Libs are all the same thing. They make us think we have democracy but we dont! They are all bought and paid for by the BANKS and large business. They have no interest in what the UK population wants. We need a peoples government.
Is it any wonder that the Immigrants cross several Countries to arrive in the Land of Milk and Honey.Our Governments takes millions in Taxes of its own citizens only to give it away to the latest arrival. We have hundreds of young Families on the housing list then we see a Foreigner arrive with his Wife and 6 kids and get a house straight away. They cant blame it all on the EU other Countries are in the Union but they take care of the own first. How I wish we had Leaders like Australia and Canada they put their Citizens FIRST. They are cutting back on even the most Basic Services telling us its down to Labours Bad Government . But then Cameron goes to Pakistan and gives them 650 million ,at the same time tell us we are borrowing million a day .ITS NOT HIS MONEY TO GIVE AWAY PUT IT TO A REFERENDOM FIRST.
well well if you cant beat em joinr em!!!. lets all go on the dole!!!! and let the immigrants pay for it!!!
If WE go to their country can WE claim £250 a week? . . . . . The answer is NO we will get NOTHING. . . . . . If it is not a reciprocal arrangement it should be ignored. . . . . Non of our money should be given. . . The EU should pay them and us for having them.
It really is time to vote BNP
I wasn't even shocked reading this.
The immigrants are soaking up the jobs available for British workers. It's totally wrong.
All the time we have this bunch of wishy washy liberals ruling this country dont expect anything to change. Just more of the same for us suckers who pay the bills.
Freedom of movement.. yeh great... except every Latvian, Romaninan and Pole wants to come here and none of us want to go there. - Had Enough, Cardiff, 25/4/2011 11:19 --------------- I think you'll find that many British people go on holiday to those countries. It might surprise you to learn that British people even life in those countries, can you imagine!? Goodness me. They're not complete wastelands you know. Try going one day, you might be surprised.
All the main political parties are not concerned let them all come. Cameron’s mission is to allow 70 million Turks into the E.U. They are all squabbling like half wits on this A.V. voting system. Most people have no interest in the outcome. Where are the good leaders gone? All the main political parties are selling or already sold us out. Please have the Referendum that the people are calling out for. It may be already too late. “Where is the People Leader”?
Just shows they don't give a damn about the ordinary working people of this country. They just want a slave culture of cheap labour from eastern europe for the well off landed gentry. Time to vote UKIP i think, the tories and their lib/dem cronies have lost my vote completely now.
All Europeans should be treated equally in each European country. The sooner we fully integrate into Europe the better, with a stronger European Parliament
R.I.P What was once Great Britain.
I currently work a 30 hour week for a take home pay of about £170. When I read articles like the one above it makes me wonder why on earth I should bother. Oh yes......I forgot, self respect, and being able to look myself squarely in the face when I look in the mirror!
Taxpayers Alliance Rally, Saturday, 14th May, London.
When we go to the polls next, just remember this article when you put your cross on the paper.
I predict a riot !!!!
Are they having a laugh!! Me and my faily moved to spain and we didnt get no help at all. We had to ge translaters who we had too pay for ourselves. We had to find our own home too live. And now foreigners come in too our country and get more money than English, that is just sick. no wonder this bloody country is the way it is!! I'm on job seekers and i have been for 6 months and every time i go in there they moan at me because i havent got a job yet! but the people fromother countries dont even bother loooking for a job. i can hardly live on £200 a month. and yet they get £1000 a month!! that is hardly fair!! This country is a JOKE!!! - Hayley, warwickshire., 25/4/2011 10:58 Well obviously you don't like Spain, (you're back) England (moaning), where do you like? We've just dished out MILLIONS to Pakistan. Try there. Women's lives are certainly not boring, there. Different, but not boring. You'll not need to tax your literacy there either.
I have no problem with migrants claiming benefits in the UK but it must be reclaimed from their country of origin and only paid at the rates paid in that country of origin.It has got to be wrong that a polish worker for example can almost triple their take home wage simply by coming to the UK and claiming benefits. I have seen houses where 20 or 30 supposed migrants live who all sign on and all work in the black economy .Not only does the taxpayer provide housing but they give them money and allow them top work with little or no chance of them being caught or of them paying any taxes due.
All we can hope for at the moment is for, although the EU isn't the prime issue on May 5, that the anti EU's have a more than good showing in the elections. So get out and tell this creep Cameron to take the cotton wool out of his ears and listen. Damn Europe!!!!!!
I was born, brought up, lived and worked in England until I retired, I then moved to Ireland to enjoy a quieter life where I receive no help or handouts and live solely off my pension. I despair at what future I see for my Grandchildren who all live in the Essex area of greater London, how can we deal with the situation they face? I suggest getting out of the EU now to start with, then any immigrant wanting to come to England must have a job waiting for them. Any immigrant already in England who has not worked must have their benefits stopped after one year and then sent back to their birth country including their dependants. The NHS has to stop employing agency staff that do not have the skills to work in our hospitals, I know for a fact that many nurses employed that way either do not speak or understand English and some actually when on the wards can be found hiding in toilets waiting for the end of the shift. Overworked regular staff do not have the time to chase up these wasters.
This just isn't right. Will this spineless government get us out of the EU it is crippling the country.
People coming here from Eastern European countries should be entitled to exactly the same benefits we would be if we went to their country . No more. No less.
I think I will start a coach company offering free trips from Eastern Europe to the UK with payment being 10% commission of their £250/week benefits. Think, if I could bring in over million people, thats £25 million a week profit. Easy money isnt it? Its about time benefits were limited to how much you put into the state system. ie, you can only draw benefit for the amount of NI you have paid in.
How come these foreigners can claim £250 a week (£1,000 a month) when as a pensioner having lived and paid all taxes as required of me all through my working life not having claimed a penny off the state along the way, I only get £320 a month State Pension which I am expected to live on? Life is certainly not fair for the over 60's in this country although we are still expected to pay our bills and respect those in authority. Someone is having a laugh - at every pensioner's expense.
Anyone who mistakenly thinks that you can get more benefits in the UK than in other European countries should go look at the OECD benefits and wages database which is available online.
Please, please get us out of Europe before we all descend into madness. It's just not good for our morale.
All you DM readers, you voted Tory , perhaps some of you even voted for cameron as leader of the tories - did you seriously expect them to do anything about this. Cameron is a labour/lib-dem polictian and a europhile, he couldn't give a damn about standing up for and protecting British interests - it may affect his future job prospects in europe. The only thing cameron will really stand up for is cameron. If this annoys you, you know what to do at the coming elections. If you vote yes to AV, it may upset the tories so much they'll dump the shyster.
Stop panicing. I think you'll find that most East Europeans actually come to the UK to WORK, not simply claim benefits. Stop using the foreigners as an escape goat. It's quite sickening. Of course, there'll be some that play the system, just like a hell of a lot of native Brits abuse the system. I some times really despair at the kind of comments left by the readers of this paper. Educate yourselves and stop looking to blame "the others".
To be fair, this isn't Cameron's doing - it's due to a treachorous stitch-up by the last Labour government and which is now rearing its ugly head. Question is, will Cameron do anything about it? With a Cabinet composed of wet Tories, hard-left Lib Dems and Europhiles it's highly unlikely. We need the tough stance of a right-wing government for there to be any hope of issues like immigration and the EU being properly sorted out.
That's ridiculous, the title makes it think like we only come over here to receive benefits. I've lived in UK short of 5 years, never claimed a penny, never was on any sort of benefits. No, I can't afford a flat screen TV, holidays abroad nor even my own flat (I'm single and renting a room from a lovely British couple), simply because I'd rather save what's left from my salary for a rainy day, not splurge everything on paying off credits cards and whatnot. And I do not earn much. Perhaps what you should tackle first is work-shy people who have been off for years because of their addictions or 'a cough'. I find paying for alcoholics and drug addicts ridiculous. I pay my taxes here as well, regardless of my nationality, and I find this abusive. If you're stupid enough to get yourself in drugs or booze drinking that is your problem. As well I came here to work, I do now know how some people can just sit on their bottoms all day claiming benefits. Seriously, what kind of sad life is that?
When I was unemployed, I didn't get £250 a week. Why do we treat foreigners who have done nothing for this country but scrounge given more money than those that have paid taxes for years. If this is the 'benefits' of the EU, I want out.
They will be treated the same as Britons??? I don't think so. Many years ago when my then partner was laid off from his job, we weren't entitled to anything, excpet job seekers allowance (I even wrote to Alistair Darling to get an explaination), but these foreigners can get Job seekers, housing benefit and council tax benefits....so how is that the same?
Easy solution put the application form in English. no help allowed. It would even stop some of our home grown low life from claiming. Make the form complex enough and problem solved. That's how the French deal with it.
it makes you proud to be apart of the EU con , not !
Can someone please explain to me WHY my son who lost his job after 6 years of working since leaving school, struggled so hard to get benefits? He was unemployed for 4 months until he found another job. It was made very difficult for him to claim job seekers allowance. In the end, he gave up and I gave him money to live on. Why is it so easy for foreigners to get benefits when my son, who is an honest and good hearted young man, could not? Just wish he would leave the UK and come to Oz!!!
Unbelievable
That's ridiculous, the title makes it think like we only come over here to receive benefits. I've lived in UK short of 5 years, never claimed a penny, never was on any sort of benefits. No, I can't afford a flat screen TV, holidays abroad nor even my own flat (I'm single and renting a room from a lovely British couple), simply because I'd rather save what's left from my salary for a rainy day, not splurge everything on paying off credits cards and whatnot. And I do not earn much. Perhaps what you should tackle first is work-shy people who have been off for years because of their addictions or 'a cough'. I find paying for alcoholics and drug addicts ridiculous. I pay my taxes here as well, regardless of my nationality, and I find this abusive. If you're stupid enough to get yourself in drugs or booze drinking that is your problem. As well I came here to work, I do now know how some people can just sit on their bottoms all day claiming benefits. Seriously, what kind of sad life is that?
They are cutting education,cutting the forces extending retirement, for what? Yes that is right, to give to foreigners so that they can have a better life style than people who have put money into this country. In addition, despite the depressing state of the country's finances and huge cut backs, we are 'giving' £450 million to subsidise education projects in Pakistan. Are our so called leaders listening? The people of this country are suffering, wake up. Or are we going to be an ongoing JOKE?
Whoever is making these stupid decisions need to be admitted to a mental health establishment ASAP, and the European migrants deported! You can have that sensible information from me for free
Freedom of movement.. yeh great... except every Latvian, Romaninan and Pole wants to come here and none of us want to go there. And to Cameron and Clegg... this is supposed to be a democracy... let the people of Britain have our say on the EU because after the Labour years you are continuing to ruin our country 'big style'!
Chaos (EU) rules, the end of Britain is at hand or is it? We have a weak government thatÂ’s made weaker by its bedfellows the third party pretender Liberals. Until people of Britain realise that the BNP isnÂ’t the enemy but a patriotic force that will put Britain first the injustices of Brussels will continue!
i am angry !! i am a pensioner and i do not get any benefit as i have a small extra pension that my late husband paid into. if we had spent every penny we had we would get all benefits going but it instead going to others that have never but a penny in the kitty.
Roll up-- Roll up! Free money que here! Sorry old chap you dont qualify--- its for immigrants only!
The benefits should not be made available until they have worked and contributed a reasonable amount of UK taxes etc. For example Kiwi's on entering Australia from NZ cannot claim any benefits for 6 months. Fair enough. It should be the same across the board in the EU.
Yet another kick in the teeth for us Brits, bring back the raving lunatic party so I can vote for them, they made more sense than this gov. has done,
So let me get this straight, we've got free money to give to everyone who actually comes here from Eastern Europe to Eritrea, give vast sums to wealthy, corrupt countries for them to spend on anything they want without monitoring, give even vaster sums to the European Union to do the same without question, vast amounts to the banks, MPs, MEPs, unwinnable wars etc. WOW.......I'd be running to this land of milk and honey too and be pinching myself that it's all true. There is absolutely no need to speak english either. It beggars belief that beaurocrats can do this, whilst ignoring the indiginous population who are trying to scream out loud but have no say whatsoever, except at election time. I am so angry.
>>>>> Don't you just these Tories. Talk hard before they gain power but turn into little mouses when in power. At least with Labour you knew what you would get .-Neil, Brentford, 25/4/2011 10:59 <<<< Re the Tories - I agree. Re Labour - you,Sir, are a dope.
Only Nick Griffin has pledged himself to sort out this mess. Roll-on the election.
I was born and bred in England. Five weeks ago I lost my job - I am 56. All I can claim is £67 per week. This is to pay my mortgage, council tax, utilities, food, in effect, everything. My £67 per week does not even pay my mortgage. I have been told I can claim nothing else. I am at my wits end. I don't know what to do. I know I will lose my house while these people from abroad can come in and claim everything and more. Where is that fair?
While Cameron and Clegg are fighting over AV, they would do well to get a grip on this situation - NOW!
Just to remind everyone here it is again below. "The Department for Work and Pensions insisted that the rule changes will not mean people will be able simply to come to the UK and start claiming benefits – because there will be strict tests. " Lets come back to that in a year, shall we?
Beware Cameron & Clegg, it's rot like this that will turn our nation to BNP God forbid - but it will happen unless you WAKE UP!!!
Where are our guys who talk tough on benefits now, i.e. Ian Duncan Smith and David Cameron? Not even a whimper?? At a time when many genuine British benefit claimants are being labelled scum and being put through 'unfit for purpose' tests in a drive to cut our benefit bill we open up the system to the whole of Eastern Europe. Kick a million of our people off benefits and replace them with 3 million Eastern Europeans... where's the sense in that? RIP Great Britain... this really will be your final curtain call. Regardless of politics it looks like UKIP and BNP are our only (and last!) hopes.
Well, we voted for our current shower of MPs - so IT IS OUR FAULT . You probably don't like this answer but it is the truth. Next time vote UKIP or BNP.
Terrific. My pension has just been 'raised' to £96 a week.
I have just got to get out of this twisted politically correct dump just as soon as I can. Cameron is just as useless and impotent as the previous bunch of idiots.
Why on earth would they want to claim social security here when it is shockingly the lowest in Europe.
"The unemployment benefit in England is higher than a salary here and I have been told I can go on the dole as soon as I get there,Â’ she said. WHY do we have to pay these people more benefits than they would gert in their country of origin?? Surely the solution is to offer them the same rate of benefit they would get from their country of origin which would deter these scroungers from exploiting us as they would get no more! This country is a joke, taxpayers are being taking for mugs by the government who are not looking after their wage payers and bosses, an absolute disgrace!!!!!
Cameron, you have to stop this nonsense dead in it's tracks, and soon, or you will find a mob, similar to Egypt, in Parliament Square. We, the People have Had Enough......so Do
Another insult piled onto us by useless politicians. How long before ordinary decent hard working BRITISH people take to the streets - French style?
Untill the people wake up and see whats happening and the disastrous effects it will have on their children etc they will carry on like sheep being interested in what they have and watching soaps on TV, FGS wake up sheeple before we lose our country and OUR rights completely
Then there's talk of cutting cold weather payments and free bus passes to pensioners, has this Government lost the plot already ,who are they looking after us or immigrants,it makes you wonder are they interested in the taxpayers or just themselves having an easy ride on good pay, get a grip before its to late .
After Blair & Brown it's no change under Cameron. Probably the most left wing PM the Tories have ever had.
Truth hurts but if we kick out the immigrants who is going to work as cleaner, pot washer and fruit picker, our home grown darlings that leave school with no qualifications and playing video games all day long and wake up around 1pm? Plus, don't be so concerned about immigrants saying that benefits over here are higher than their home country salaries. £450 back there covers the rent and living costs, over here it would not even cover the rent.
I am utterly bewilderd!!!!!Some one please tell me I am dreaming. We take in immigrants,legally or illegally,makes no difference as once they are in they are here for good. We pay uk people Not to work??....We give aid to countries far better financially than uk, we promote minority interests at the expense of the majority. We are financially in debt as a nation. COME ON!!!!1 there must be some one to organise things for the benefit of the uk!!! I despair.
Countries like Finland, Sweden, Germany, France and Spain I believe their citizens deserve to come to UK as there are alot of us Britts there enjoying good lives. For example I moved to Finland and have all same rights as Finns. BUT the Eastern European countries are not giving back as much as they are taking and this is why the EU freedom rule is not fair. If an EU citizen enters UK and goes on benefits then they need to be MADE to attend English classes and maybe some other unpaid work so that they get work experience and also give something back. When Finns come to UK, they recieve Finnish benefits until they get a job. It should be the same with every country.
Don't you just these Tories. Talk hard before they gain power but turn into little mouses when in power. At least with Labour you knew what you would get. This shower lied to gain power and have done nothing to stop immigration. Groups such as the EDL are the way forward. Direct action.
Explain to me again why the young unemployed cant get a job? Explain to me again why we give more generous benefits than the rest of the EU? Explain to me again why we need the EU? Explain to me again why we should trust our MP's with looking after our country?
Im petrified because im working and can't afford to pay my council tax and i earn the same amount as them (£250) a week , if i packed in work ,i could probably get the same amount on disability benefit(previous car accident) and unemployement then i would have no worries ,the wages barely cover my bills and i go without food to pay council tax ,yet the benefit claiments never have my worries ,i have found out that council tax bailiffs are calling on more people that are working on low income than unemployed on benefit this country is so confusing ,no wonder its easier not to work . when will this country work for us im fed up with being told go to your benefits office etc etc then being told your on high wages (how can it be high when im on the same amount as a benefit claiment) so you dont qualify for any help . where do i go from here maybe i will pack in work and eat regular meals again and never have bailiffs knocking .
Are they having a laugh!! Me and my faily moved to spain and we didnt get no help at all. We had to ge translaters who we had too pay for ourselves. We had to find our own home too live. And now foreigners come in too our country and get more money than English, that is just sick. no wonder this bloody country is the way it is!! I'm on job seekers and i have been for 6 months and every time i go in there they moan at me because i havent got a job yet! but the people fromother countries dont even bother loooking for a job. i can hardly live on £200 a month. and yet they get £1000 a month!! that is hardly fair!! This country is a JOKE!!!
WHY? WHY? WHY? the decision makers here should be jailed! the country is in a dreadful state with thousands unemployed and losing their homes, and what does the government do? It hands out the tax payers money to immigrants. Truly appalled. Cameron, get some balls and get out of the EU. Labour got us into this mess and I can't see that you're about to get us out. Pathetic!
What idiots allowed this to happen in the first place. Dave, Tamworth Probably New Labour idiots. However Lib/Con have similar idiots.
Absolute disgrace. The government tries to stop people voting for extremist parties then agrees to this which will drive people to the BNP. The government is totally out of touch with public opinion and is only interested in what Europe says. The benefits culture and immigration are totally out of control in this country, why arent benefit claimants having their unearned handouts frozen for 2 years and cut by 10% like I have had to in my job. It makes no sense to work anymore as those on minimum wage get less than those on benefits. This country is not interested in its hardworking taxpayers, they only want to look after immigrants/assylum seekers and benefit scroungers who are nothing but a burden to the state. I cant put in words how angry this makes me without resorting to expletives!
UK should get out of EU. In no time UK would be poor having to pay the benfits to this influx of immigrants!
I have been told that the government and councils are making a list of larger houses with vacant spare rooms ( 4 beds +) and owners will be forced to accommodate immigrants and the homeless in these rooms. Not surprising when the country is running out properties and of money for welfare benefits!
this country just gets worse and worse. I don't think there is any other country in the world which gives preferential treatment to immigrants whilst indigenous people are treated as second class citizens with less and less rights. It is this sort of action that will unfortunately give groups such as BNP more power and influence. Maybe that is what this country needs, let the BNP in and have a mass departure of all these foreigners who just want a free meal ticket.
"A poll has found that most of the public want an end to the ‘something for nothing’ benefits system." For goodness sake, the "poll" was not representative of "the public" but relates to less than .004% of the population. Yes, 33% of 2,407 polled said this but it is not necessarily representative - please stop this irrational statistics game. 99% of the population want to see the heads of MPs on pikes around Parliament and that's a far more realistic statistic than those quoted from the duplicitous DWP who conveniently released the results of the poll in order to distract the media - it seems to be working. Can we have some real investigative reporting rather than spouting figures that satisfy our particular colour of politics while ignoring those that don't - accurate reporting allows people to make informed decisions. The £10billion we now have to pay to the EU could solve our own problems at home by creating jobs so that people can get off benefits themselves.
We are the mad hatters of Europe - thanks to our cretinous politicians.WE WANT OUT , CAMERON. DO YOU HEAR!!!
This can't be a one way street, there must be a common level of benefits through out the EU.
i am working in the post office and pensioners come every monday to collect their pension. it's around £120-160 a week and you pay those Europeans £250? i myself think that the immigrant problem comes inside EU not anywhere else. they could come here and look for job without the need for a work permit. so all the unemployed from bankrupt countries like Greece, Spain just fly here and steal our job or just live off our benefits! Enough is enough!!!
It's becoming perfectly clear that the EU - with Cameron's complete compliance - has designated the UK as the Continent's offshore benefits camp. All those who the EU federal state can't use or doesn't want are to be shipped to the UK where they can't cause trouble or be a financial drain on the super state. In the next few years UK industry and power generating capacity will not be capable of supporting a modern independent industrial nation - we already import 60% of our food and a reliable power supply isn't necessary if most of the population is unemployed or economically inactive. This is the nightmare they've planned for us.
So even though we have no money and are cutting benefits for British people, even though we have an 8 YEAR housing wait, and there are not enough jobs for British people, we will now just let everyone in to take what they want. Imagine what schools, hospitals, police, courts etc. will be dealing with when another 50 million immigrants come knocking.
That's more than a lot of people earn, the BNP are starting to look attractive, we've been sold out, literally. - Worker, UK, 25/4/2011 8:51 That's if you even have the option to vote for the BNP. At the council elections here in Leeds, a large multicultural, multiracial city, next month the BNP can only manage to field just 2 candidates across the 33 available seats. It seems that they either cannot get people to represent them or they can't afford them.
ANOTHER PROMISE BROKEN..................WAY TO GO 'CALL ME DAVE'!!!! UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP ( No more clues 'sheeple'!!!!!!)
What do you mean "get out of the EU"?, It's the pathetic british governments' fault. It doesn't happen here in Spain. Migrants to Spain, whether from the EU or not, do not qualify for any money at all until they have paid into the System for a Minimum of TWO years. Wake up the UK before you go bust and sink into the north sea.
As regards the Pope's Easter Message, perhaps the Vatican City should take its fair quota of fleeing North African refugees. After all, there would be plenty of money to help support them. Now lets see, how many thousands of refugees would that be?
How dan they claim so much??? Many of us in Wales DON`T EVEN EARN THAT MUCH A WEEK.
Surely the answer is, deduct the cost to the british taxpayer for this travesty of a policy, from the amount we have to pay to the EU for the dubious benefit of being a member. Then, spread the cost of that deduction across the countries whose citizens are benefitting from our largesse. That would concentrate the minds of the brainless politicians who are responsible for such ridiculous policies.
Why are you allowing this to happen.You really need to get rid of the PM and goverment you have in power.
and a basic pension for the UK is .....! a lot of people have to live on that.
God up goes my blood pressure again, WHY are we giving money to immigrants when young people born and bred in this country are paid a pittance why the try to look for non -existant jobs and it left to their families to help them out ,come into thiscountry and we almost wait at the airports, docks to give money to others, this Country is a immigrants paradise, go to their Countries and try to get money, no chance !!!!!!!!!!!! It must be at every airport and docks a large sign saying WAIT HERE FOR TRANSPORT TO THE COUNTRY THAT WILL GIVE YOU EVERYTHING AND EXPECT NOTHING BACK WAS CALLED GREAT BRITAIN BUT IS NOW CALLED FREEBYLAND.
They are going to flock here and it is already unbearable with a third of all pupils at our local school from Eastern Europe. Why dont our givernment deal with the problem like other European countries have and opt out. I have even heard that Poles are taking their working tax credit whilst working in Poland!!
And will the EU or their Country of origin pay for them NO it will be us as per ususal. Time to get out of the yoke of the EU. It has turned into a club for people who had pretentions of power, and now they have it. I want £250.00 a week, Heavens that would be a luxury for me, but I have No rights I was born here and have to put up with this. Maybe I should go and leech off of some other Country- bet they would not allow me entry, let alone any benefits!
Rubbish DM.
The UK is Doomed !!!!!!
Ah, so thats why you have stolen my pension! Having worked all my life I now find out that I will not qualify for the pension rise in 2015 and will have to tighten my belt even further but at least I can rest easy in the knowledge that thousands who never have and never will benefit this country are living better than me. This country is a bl**dy joke!!
They will all come here is the answer. Young people always want to travel & the promise of free money & good housing & healthcare is going to be a huge incentive. The EU will destroy itself when the 1st world economies drown under the weight of wealth redistribution as we already see is happening
And millions of us pensioners won't even get the £140 a week these idiots are promising - existing pensioners restricted to current level of £102 (or the princely sum of £163 for a couple, if you're married). The foreigners get twice what we get and have contributed nothing. Out of the EU - right now!
The truth is, you cannot stay in the UK unless you have a job; they cannot just come and claim benefits,
A life long Conservative I will NEVER vote again for Dave if this goes through...UKIP for me
This is rediculas!! why should they get £250!! they were not born in this county there for there not British. Our government should be taking care of the BRITSH people. I personally think non British citizens should not be able to claim any type of benefits even after any amount of time spent in this country. SORT ENGLAND OUT FIRST then everyone else
What is wrong with this country giving taxpayers money away , when will this government stand up for the taxpayers and speak out, instead of just bleating on regarding how much debt we are in I WONDER WHY COULD IT BE ANYTHING RELATED TO OUR GIVE AWAY BENEFIT SYSTEM.
Glad 2B Gone, Philippines, Yeah, the BNP will sort out, says Glad 2B Gone all the way from the Philippines! HYPOCRITE!!! I'm a British Citizen now, but I have dual nationality because I was not born in Britain. I'm all for people from other nations to better themselves here, but this is way too much and extremely unfair to the nationals. Cameron, you are making a big, BIG mistake here!
"so the only way out of this mess is to vote UKIP michael french, crawley w sussex, " ---- same scum different name
briton the land of milk and honey, every one welcome, you dont need to have paid into the system, we are awash with money we dont know what to do with it, hurry it will be only standing room soon
yet more lazy drunken Europeans walking down our street laughing at the likes of me while i am on my way to work for them..
This is simply outrageous, we already have workshy and feckless parasites in the mega millions claiming benefits - can someone please tell me why we need to encourage more of them to come here and claim a free living? It becomes more obvious by the day why both NuLieba and the ConDemnation parties REFUSE to give the British people a referendum over Europe, or are they both going to wait until there are so many immigrants here that their vote will be a yes? And you wonder why extremist parties are on the rise?
MADDNESS! While all the UK has to suffer because of BliarNBrown's handling of the economy, there triplet Camercon, allows what little is left, to flow into the hands of people who've contributed nothing to Britain!!!
Does this mean that I can claim £250 per week if I come back? No I don't think so either , I'm just one of the pillocks that paid in all my working life ,and my wife who took time off to raise the kids gets £260 a MONTH in pension , Thanks Dave I wonder when you are going to grow a pair and start looking after us Brits
Don't this just make you so angry, every day I read about this type of thing, and it is in every walk of life, from NHS wallies getting car allowances to judges claiming god knows what,to immigrants walking into this country and being set up for life, and the real Handicapped people of this country being hammered with cuts, I'm not talking about the "Walking Stick" wounded scroungers, or the "blue Badge" fiddlers, but the genuine handicapped, (example) my brother who is mentally and physically handicapped who is 67yrs old has the mental age of someone about 6years old was called to a tribunal to see if he was fit for work yet ther are people who have scrounged for years will never be assesed, A VERY ANGRY PERSON>
What is it going to take to get us out of the EU,we are being taken for pure mugsin this country. In the original referendum I voted to stay out of the EU as it was obvious then it would'nt work,there was always going to someone who would lose out to the less well off. Well we did and big time.
But the majority will STILL vote for the Lib/Lab/Con!
Europe will be the ruin of us all. Wake up brits before its too late & the jackboot takes over
for gods sake how soon can we have a ukip or bnp government to bring some sense back into the country.
Keep voting LibLabCon ( the EU puppets ) and this will only get worse . do you get it people ? vote any thing but LiblabCon on May 5 but DDOOOOO vote . This is your chance to kick them in the ballot box . Put the frighteners on them or watch Britain become the dumping ground of EUrope .
I have worked and paid taxes from the time I was 16 to when I retired age 67. I get a pension of £448.88 a MONTH! The goverment tells me this is the minimum I need to live on. Surely this cannot be allowed to continue,.Is it any wonder the country is in debt! They manage to find the fare to get here.I fear this country is heading for civil war. Lets hope UKIP get in and sort this out as soon as possible.
Non of this will be reported by the BBC either. Those paid monkeys never have a bad word to say about the EU. That propaganda machine for the Government knows which side their bread is buttered.
I doubt East Europeans would be able to come here (Spain) and claim benefits immediately. It's a British issue. Don't blame the EU. Put your own house in order !
This is crazy !! people who have worked here and paid there taxes for most of their lives will get, as pensioners, a lot less than the immigrants that will come here. Where's the money coming from ?/ YES you got it ...the people who are now working in UK. and when the money runs out...what happens then ?? I'm gonna vote BNP or UKIP next time...these idiots who are in now don't care about what will happen in the future cos they will not be around then.
Just out of interest, if I moved my wife and two kids to any of these East European countries what would I be able to claim?? Would make a good story DM
From what I have personally witnessed the foreign migrants do make an effort to work, it is the home grown indigenous dead beat benefit claimants whom bleed us all dry. That said our benefits system should not be any more advantageous than the worst of any EU member country has to offer.
Suffer our own..typical.
This is simply crackers.
Labour has done us in real good, we spend ages constructing a fair working system and tightening our doors to secure us from the worlds relentless advantage takers and then back came The Labour Party like bitter maniacs quietly loosening the screws and dismantling everything that's built in the name of keeping us safe, They evidently truly hate their own country and should just leave and live in one of their beloved communist comrade ones whos nest they are more interested in feathering cos we are sick to death of dealing with the blind damage they all constantly do under the evil banner of PCism over here
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO AND NO AGAIN. We are being taken for a ride yet again. Are other EU countries paying foreign incomers this kind of benefits ? I think not.
so sick of this country most of us work damned hard and for what? for this crap government to take a major percentage f our pay off us and give it to foreigners skivers and themselves!! there are genuine claimants out there but for god sake stop taking our money for the rest! who do we vote for who can we trust ?? i dont know do you?
I moved to Finland 13 years ago from UK & was welcomed with open arms. I got benefits straight away while I was looking for a job BUT I didn't abuse the system & have been in work here even though I struggled with the language. Also When the Finns go to UK they get benefits from Finland until they find a job in UK! You will find there are not many Finns on benefits there & nearly all work. It helps that Finns speak good English already but this is the difference between west EU countries & East ones. If people coming from EU countries are on benefits then make it a rule that they HAVE to attend English classes! Then language is not an exuse to getting a job. & we can't attack western EU people from coming to UK as there are many of us Britts in France, Spain, Germany & Sweden.
Ah, so that's why the government have hastily put millions of people on so called 'training schemes' giving millions of tax payers money to private companies, where unemployed people are swiftly given their P45s and are totally off the unemployment figures. They're sat there, in detention centres which are mandatory for 13 weeks, staring at four walls in overcrowded rooms bored witless then are meted out to do 'placements' for nothing and not even a chance of a job after it. If you don't attend you're off the figures for 6 months and more with no money whatsoever. Then this Euro influx will come over, get everything they want, whilst the people of the UK will be homeless and begging on the streets. Nice one... NOT!
Suffer our own..typical.
deplorable no wonder the world laughs at us,all sitting in poverty deprivation the country is bankrupt, just like most of the citizens i wonder where the £250 a week is coming from
no wonder people in this country will have to work longer to get their pension when we have to pay for immigrants who never pay anything into this country we need a revolution to get out of this corrupt europe
Another disaster inherited from Labour. God help us. Have we not got enough foreigners infesting us ? We just cannot afford all the wretched EU regulations relating to EU immigrants.
A vibrant economy, not meager benefits will attract migrants who, in turn, will be good for that economy. The removal of these restrictions means that the German and Austrian labour markets are open to them for the first time. Where will they go I wonder. It's the bankers, not migrants who ruined the UK job market.
Why do these rules only apply with countries that reciprocate with the same rates and benefits as us lets have thing fair, if we go anywhere in the EU we have to have insurance and pay to see doctors and pay for medication this EU is a very one sided affair
Benefits should be stopped persay as half of people on them are taking us for a ride. Only the sick and vulnerable should be allowed them. They should also stop giving benefits for more than 3 children - anymore and they should not be included in any benefit system. Perhaps that would have the desired effect of making everyone go back. Think how much money we would save to put towards NHS and pensions. We need a strong minded person leading us who will not be influenced by any of the whining do-gooders as our huge welfare state is killing this country.
more crime and benefit scroungers why should they get money that i as a taxpayer and a pensioner and cant even get apenny pension credit because i have a few pounds to much to quolify for it im not a second class citizen i am a third class1 jean london
Can somebody please tell me, is it just the UK that is so generous towards foreigners, or do France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Austrla, Sweden offer the same benefits ?
You got what you voted for people. Many of us said the only way to get out of this madness was to vote BNP, and we were right. Oh, and Pope, I hear there are many rooms in your Vatican palaces. You will be taking in African refugees in then I expect?
I've nothing against letting in limited numbers of workers from overseas when we need them but this new ruling will attract the very people this country doesn't want. We have enough lazy dossers in this country who do not intend to work, we don't want the rest of Europe's trash aswell.
What idiots allowed this to happen in the first place. Stop immigration and all its benefits now and see if they want to stay then. Get out of europe as they are bleeding us dry with nothing in return. We can only afford one government, one that we control and elect.
My parents worked so hard for 50 years, plus l did for for years before suffering a stroke and sadly had to leave my job. l do not receive £250.00 per week , nor anything like that amount , WHY do my and my parents NI and TAXES, go to newcomers, and not to those who have paid into the system all their lives ?
I feel 'sick'............
The countries simply going from very bad to very very bad !!! Lets get this country out of the EU and out of this disastrous mess contrived by the Brussels sprouts of the EU bureaucratic Human Rights simpletons.We are steadily being invaded and stripped of our sovereignty by the products of famine, deprivation, and wars, and by jumped up lawyers from other countries of the EU readily dictating who we let in, and who we can or cannot send out after committing serious crimes within the country, what we can, and cant do in our own country is a matter for OUR parliament to decide and NOT the EU, we have all the worlds worst criminals from out of Europe being fed and clothed by the courtesy of silly public of jelly back UK tax payers, and equally soft and inept politicians who are falling out with their own shadows whilst trying to fix the voting system to suit their own egos. I like the UKiP idealism of an independence from this EU dictatorship and an end to multiculturalism
I was bor here and have worked and paid taxes for over 50yrs and I do not get anything like that much as a pension why is it a foriener can get what I do not.
"Critics are concerned about the risk of ‘benefits tourism’ by immigrants from the eight former Communist countries affected." ------------ there is no 'risk', it has already been happening for YEARS. Do our MP's live with their head buried in the sand?
So, the eastern European can start claiming benefits as soon as they get here? Yet other migrants who cant claim benefit but come here to study are facing tougher migration rules. Which is more profitable to UK, those that can come and claim benefit or those that come to spend their money on education and pay taxes without expecting benefits? Just a tought
We should get out of the EU.
Great way to solve an immigration problem, tempt people in with free money! Who could say no?
Actually I know from personal experience that any British Subject who wishes to move to any country in the EU can claim whatever benefits their host offers and that they're entitled to as EU Citizens. - Alan, London UK, 25/4/2011 8:12 Do all European countries offer the same benefits as the UK? can you move there and get your rent paid and money to live on for as long as you like? NO! It is not comparing like with like. If you want to come to Spain, you have to work one year before you get dole and then you only get 4 months. You can transfer years worked in another EU country to give you teh maximum of 2 years dole. After 2 years, that is it. There is no housing benefit, practically no social housing. It is time the EU did decide the only common policy that would be popular. The one on common benefits. This would stop the benefits tourism or at least reduce it.
Any incoming immigrants should only get the same benefits that their country would give them, not the mad benefits that seem to pour out of our pockets into theirs.---There is nothing to stop two or three times this many coming in to Britain, which seems unbelievable madness, some thing has to be done at Government level to restrict levels of immigration, and if the cannot, then we must leave European Union.---We the British people must dictate to them, and if the Government doesnÂ’t listen to us, then we must make them listen, the ONLY way this can happen is to VOTE UKIP.
Agree with Eileen, Lancashire and Kathleen West Yorks. The three main parties need a kick up the and Cameron is more spin than substance. This country is not spoilt for choice when it comes to political parties, at the next election many Labour supporters will vote BNP. Many lifelong Tory supporters I know will vote UKIP. At a fund raising pre election function I said to my local MP David Cameron never mentions the I word. The response was "Well you know", I said "well he cannot keep ignoring it for ever". Come on David you kip at the nation and your own peril. Cameron is hoping this latest EU absurdity will get buried by the Royal Weding and the waste of time and tax payers money the AV referendum.
we cant go on like this, the Uk should NOT be in the EU because its not a level playing field, all we do is give give give, they take our jobs our homes our benefits and even our rights to freedom of speech and what do we get in return, unemployment benefit we have to beg and plead for, privet rented houses because its almost impossible for people to get social housing and our freedom of speech is now classed as racism! they are destroying us and our beautiful country and there is no other country in the EU can we go to and get the same treatment! If the UK stays in the EU then the EU or their own countries should be made to foot the bill to cover the costs for these people, it seems the whole world is leeching of us right now and bleeding us dry and none of the main parties give a dam about their own people.
Problem is we only got rid of a few of the idiots that were running Parliament, the remainder are still in there and we've not even touched the surface of those running the system and the country! They're an absolute disgrace!!!!!!!!!!
We cannot afford to pay pensioners who have paid into the scheme for years £140 per week under the new proposals but we can give £250 a week to foreigners who have paid nothing into the country? I think we desperately need to change our MPs. 200 MPs and 200 peers should be enough to govern our tiny island.
My family is already £60 worse off each month. It might not sound much but when you have children to feed and the cost of living has risen, it all adds up. We don't have holidays or days out simply because we can't afford the luxury. It sickens me to know my Husband pays taxes to support people who don't do a thing to support our society. We're a joke of a country, we're an easy target for these people.
As a country this is our fault, we allow this to happen, then we sit back winge an mona, probarbly half of us do not vote, so people are put in charge of this country who just feel to run us into the ground. When you have worked everyday since for many years and would not claim a penny in benefits, and people are happy to come here to take what they can for free, just be happy knowing that you have higher morals and self respect than those that sponge off us. If you come to this country and work hard for a better life, then why not, I have many eastern european friends that do that, but the rest are no better than the benefit waste of space scum that we have born and raised in the uk, this has and always will be an issue, that basically we can do nothing about, so save your breath chin up and smile knowing your not a scrounging scum bag.
Its UKIP for me on 5 May.
Just run this country into the ground just a little bit more...you've done a swell job so far!
This just gets worse. England is FULL. We need to stop paying benefits to foreigners, (and a lot of idle English as well). When is the government going to take some action? MPs have about 12 weeks summer holiday when they could sort this out once and for all. Leave the EU while they are at it. They could have included this vote with the AV one; the turnout would then have been a lot higher.
OH WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD (GRAVY TRAIN)
Honestly people I dont agree with the bnp or ukip in many aspects but lets face it the current goverments have destroyed our country there the only chance at stopping things like this.
Get out of EU we are being ripped off by everyone. The only people suffering from this is the British taxpayer. Our governments are a joke.
We must get out of the EU now, and the only way we are going to do this is to vote for UKIP on 5th of May!
If you want to know how to deal with this, simply make sure UKIP get your vote, their manifesto reads 'Ensure UK benefits are only available to those who have lived here for at least five years'. That's as well as their promise to regain control of our borders with immigrants from both outside and inside Europe as they would introduce time-limited work permits for people wishing to come and work in the UK. How can the LibLabCon say they put the interests of British citizens first when they are making sure our taxpayer's money is constantly given away into foreign hands?
The only chance for you all is BNP !
get out now!!!!! or we will lose our country forever what will be left for our children!! a waste land
Well then thats the crime rate going to quadruple now!!
When it comes down to it, it is we Englishmen who should be blamed for all this confirmation of our spineless cowardice over the past decades, allowing those in control of our land, make countless measures which successfully neutered us as an entity and left us effectively disenfranchised in our own country. And as for regaining the valour, spirit and national pride that saw off Napoleon, the Kaiser and Hitler with this modern (brainwashed) generation? - forget it. Never in history has the character and moral fibre of a nation changed so radically within such a short period. IÂ’m afraid it is all too late now, we English are consigned to the dustbin of history.
Can anyone tell me what derivable benefit do we get from this whole EU expensive nonsense?
This is your watch CAMERON what can you do about it?. I like many go out to work and yet £1000 per month can be given to those who don't and never have paid into our TAX SYSTEM...........It STINKS. If our people went into any other EU countries would they be given FREE CASH?. I don't think so.
If the UK doesn't get of of the EU it's finished.it is impotent at this stage,unable to pass laws to stop its decline,only the UKIP or BNP will do anything about this decline.
No jobs for BRITS ,plus we are told your benefit claiming days are numbered and now this lot are allowed in and have paid nothing into the system,but they can claim everything .DONT WORRY THE GOVERNMENT WILL SORT IT OUT ,ha ha ha ha
Blair did climb into bed with all the EU crowd in Brussels, but it was Heath who started the rot, by dragging us into the EE back in the seventies. No referendum, no consultation then; just took us in blindly and got away with it. Yes, UKIP might be our only hope, but just try convincing the guilable public who tend to believe one manifesto after the other. Tom. - always hopeful -
And there is nothing we can do about it....Them and us...This country is doomed.
we can not pay the EU and the immigrants so which one is it to be remember the country is almost broke
I've payed my taxes all my life. I bet if i went to claim for anything I'd be sent packing empty handed. Thanks to Tony Blair who signed us into EU for everything that does'nt benefit us but benefits is wife.If we don't get a grip we'll be brought down to a third world country . - martin l, skem, 25/4/2011 09:09 I WAS sent packing Martin! 50 years old & worked every day that I could. & told to move to a one bed house, from a two, so I could get help with my rent, having been forced to rent by our ludicrously slanted divorce laws, which Tony Bliar helped to slant even more in favour of women! Not voting for the main three ever again ! ! ! ! !
We have to get out of the Euro Joke shop Now! it is the only way to stop this disgrace of paying people money who have never paid a single peeny into the UK.
The Blair clone has done nothing to stop our taxes being used by foreigners. I have paid taxes for 47 years and my pension is less than this!!!!!! Who will save us from the Political Liars?
PLUS there`s the cost of translators for them, together with a mountain of paperwork that will need translating & the DSS staff to deal with them - Tucker, Barrow-in-Furness, 25/4/2011 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The UK taxpayers shouldn't have to fund this because Visa's from the US, Canada, Australia, and other English Speaking countries have a surcharge to pay for translators.
OK, so exactly how many Britons have claimed housing and unemployment benefit in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia or Slovenia? My bet is it is none - or very few! The EU has become a nonsense. Our Prime Minister is just a career MP and says what he thinks we want to hear at any one time. Empty promises. Empty vessel. Vote FOR the AV. Vote FOR UKIP or BNP and we may get something done about this ghastly United States of Europe, before they bleed us dry. Our ancestors must be turning in their graves at the assault we have allowed on our shores.
please please please please vote for UKIPif your own party refuses to give us a referendum on the EU.The lib dems are gutless labour lied through thier teeth cameron and his tory millionaires have conned the public so the only way out of this mess is to vote UKIP
I think its disgusting that hard working BRITS are having our monies cut such as the 80% normally paid for child care for working couples now dropping to 70%. So if we work we get less support and there fore have to cut our hours. Conservatives are by far, the biggest let down far more than labour because we all knew they had a tendency to over spend and hand out more, where as the conservatives have not cut spending where they should have.
The scum that have ruled us have destroyed us.
British benefits have been supporting families back in Eastern Europe for years now, ironic how most of us with small families now lose child benefit whilst fathers from large families send it back abroad where it goes much further as neither do they have our expensive costs of living. Housing benefit and Income support cannot be paid if people own a property abroad but we do not bother to check these details do we? People cannot live in Cities where the jobs are due to lack of affordable housing or they have been taken over by those on benefits or students, neither can we afford the cost of travelling to work from miles outside these Cities. Social unrest is just around the corner.....
I'm sick of it vote UKIP kick the lot out and stuff Europe too.
Why go to all the trouble of paperwork? Just give them a bucket of cash and their house keys as they arrive! No country can afford a totally limitless, open system.
This is overt manipulation coupled with predictive programming. The Tavistock institute is pushing the British public into responding the way they want us to. The best response is to get our country back and throw these abusive officials into the clink for a spell.
Good news for me! As a buy to let landlord with over 80 properties with most of my clients for east Europe, I welcome the influx!! I take DSS and get my money sent to me by the DSS office. I used to be like others moaning about our money wasted and then I decided to do something about it. And now I am living the life of luxury with tens of thousands made every week. ! Thank you liebour and EU!
Why? I work part time for social services and this summer I will be loosing 28% of my salary, I work with children with challenging behaviour, front line staff so no cushy office job, (btw this cut doesn't apply to managers over 40 grand per year, so this is affecting the 'workers' who are the lowest paid) so these benefits are more than I earn eaach week but we can afford to give to those who have paid sweet FA into our system but cut the the low wages of those who do pay into the system and are the one's helping to support these immigrants with the taxes we pay. Why do those who run the country and allow these stupid laws to go ahead hate the average working tax & NI paying British man/woman?
I don't even earn £250.00 per week!
I despair. I voted UKIP. The vast majority of you who bothered to vote at all continued to vote for the LibLabConmen. You thought "Who will get Labour out? - I'll vote Conservative". You should have thought "Which party most closely reflects my desires for the country". Now you see what we are saddled with. You are Soooooooooooo intelligent.
I wonder if I decide I hate my job due to stress/pressure off bullying Managers in the NHS, that I can claim £250 a week? I am British born and bred and have worked all my life. I have certainly paid into the system. I just cannot grasp why foreigners can come here and live for free!!!!
hi i am thinking about putting my name up for the political race,whats the arrows indicators for me to join the fight to put our nationals first party,i am not kidding,whose for it,please no jokes !
DaveCook wrote: "Would it not be better to scrap all benefits and reduce taxes on employers who take people on to do work.".. As the current welfare system will soon prove totally unsustainable, blatant abuse of the system will fail those it originally set out to help, genuine jobseekers who need a helping hand to relocate and make ends meet until they start earning again. We will soon have a choice of benefits for nobody or benefits for all comers.
Another crazy decision . This is totally out of control . Its not the fault of the DHSS they are stuck . There will be blood on the street mark my words Mr C . There really is unfortunately only one move we can make "OUT OF EEC" I will vote UKIP . Europe needs us for sellings there MB and BMW's it's costing Billions for the Super MEP in their Glass palaces in Brussels . Time out.
We need to leave this corrupt EU,we did not vote for it,we are being asked to take cuts,the EU demands more and more money,it has to stop!!!! It is unjust for British people to have to fund benefits for the last EU members,we are being treated unfairly,and Clegg and Cameron are fully committed EU supporters!!!!!!
This is so wrong, this and the previous administration have had plenty of time to change to system to make the burden less for the UK! "Watch this space" it says-what rubbish! They will watch, but through rose tinted glasses and in 3yrs time, the Government will say "Oops!" we took our eye off the ball and now the Taxpayer is going to pay twice to cover the Government's mistakes, "Er, Sorry about that"
My son, who had worked here for five years and paid taxes went to the USA to study for a year to try and improve his job prospects. He came back and was not allowed benefits for 12 weeks, during which time we had to keep him, and even then he only got the minimum JSA. How come someone who has never lived here before and never paid into the system, can just walk in and claim everything. This country just Stinks now and Cameron has turned out to be as bad, if not worse, than the other jokers when it comes to being pro europe. Vote Ukip and get rid of the main parties.
Another kick in the teeth for the beleaguered British taxpayer, then they wonder why people vote for the BNP.
Judging by these comments something needs to be done to raise standard of grammar and spelling in this country before we invite anyone else to feed off the ridiculous benefit culture the dwindling number of workers pay for.
Its too late to close the gate so will the last to leave, Please put the light out.
If cameron does not take us out of the E.U he should be tried for treason
I thought that we were tightening up on immigation stupid me.
Remember Cameron is in a coalition which is currently dominated by the LIBDEM's they are the true supporters of membership of the EU they are prepared to sell their souls and ours to ensure we stay in. Clegg, Ashdown Cable and co do not give a stuff for the UK. They are only interested in the power we gave them based on three televised debates where they said anything to make themselves look good. The EU is and has always been their Holy Grail. Together with Labour, in whatever guise they try to reform to, will sell the once Great Britain into oblivion, a minor state within the EU paying an excessive share to its upkeep. A vote for AV is just the beginning, the first LABLIBDEM coalition will immediately convert that into Proportional Representation under the pressure of the minority LIBDEMs ensuring Socialist LIBDEM coalitions for evermore. Soon after that a name change will take place unifying them permanently as a left wing socialist coalition.
The EU is taking the micky and because Blair signed the Human rights act and Brown signed away the rest of our rights, we have no only two options. 1) we attempt to influence things but the FrancoGerman anti English engine at the core of teh EU wont let that happen because they are hell bent on destroying the UK. 2) we get the helll out and I'm for the this option.
Hang on, all may not be totally lost, yet! Suggestion: we should all write to our Euro MP (if we can find out who it is) and demand equal-rights, which Strasbourg and Buxelles put much emphasis on. If for instance a Latvian arrives here and is able to receive £250 per week, we should all be able to travel to other EU counties and demand the same, hence our holiday costs to any EU country could be offset by a considerable amount......five hundred quid per person for a fortnight in France or the Czech Republic would be quite acceptable to me, now go to it.....and enjoy your EU financed holiday!
This makes me very sad. £250 a week is more than my daughter earns, yet she has to pay all her own rent and bills and she's absolutely skint by the middle of the month. Something morally wrong here.......
So the OAP who has paid into the system all their working life only gets half of what an immigrant can claim. Fantastic! Where is the fairness in that?
Most posters voted for EU supporting parties, so why gripe ? This must be what you wanted, & when 80 million Turks join the EU, you'll wonder what hit you & your children That will happen, unless you vote UKIP.
@Alan, the point is if we moved to Poland we would get pennies per week if we claimed there, that's if we got anything at all. Whereas the amount we give them is huge compared to what they get at home. so it is very much a ONE WAY STREET. Why do you think
In spite of the billions of pounds we hand out to the EU and the immigrants who have flooded our country, as well as fighting foreign wars with seriously under equipped armed forces, millions of voters in this country's will continue to vote for the three main political parties. It is beyond my comprehension.
Why do the government choose to do this, it's as if they like to anger us and frankly it scares me, these people are so unfriendly and a lot of them are criminals, I would love to leave the UK and live somewhere else that does not do these things to hard working people, listen to us Mr Cameron we WILL get rid of you as soon as possible, maybe then we will get a party who will help us because at this moment we need help.
Actually I know from personal experience that any British Subject who wishes to move to any country in the EU can claim whatever benefits their host offers and that they're entitled to as EU Citizens. - Alan, London UK, 25/4/2011 8:12***************UTTER TOSH! I have lived in Spain for 17 years now and I can tell you, Alan, that I am entitled to absolutely NOTHING from the Spanish State. If you pay into the System you can join in the Spanish Pension Scheme etc that is all. But if you simply get off a plane and come here with your hand out you will get a big fat ZERO and quite rightly too. A Friend of mine came here from Uruguay. She and her man have to support themselves for three years before they can even apply for their papers to allow them to work. After two years she gave up and went back home.
THESE ARE RUOLES NOT LAW! THEY ARE NOT EVEN EU RULES just fluffy UK ones! Benifits are and should be for those who have EARNED them. EU citizens ARE entitled to those benifits as given BY THEIR OWN country and should be authorised and reclaimed from that country! EU citizens are NOT immigrants, other foreigners ARE NOT immigrants. They may or may not have a right to reside!
Stupidity and madness,to remain in the EU club,which is a huge burden on British taxpayers! The benefits which are better in this country for the EU member states citizen's are a slap in the face for the British taxpayers! We have cuts so we can fund others in this corrupt EU club,we need to vote for UKIP at all elections it is the only way ordinary people can act,we will never see any fairness from the pro EU Con/Lib/Labs!!!!
A vote for Labour, Conservative or Liberal Democrat returns the same result - ONE party. Vote for any party but these three if you want your freedom.
Can someone please explain how an immigrant couple who have made no contribution at all to this country can get a lot more than an indigenous OAP couple who have worked and paid their taxes and maybe even fought for this country? It CANNOT be right!!! Vote for any party that will take steps to get us out of the EU!
When my husband who was self employed for the majority of his 48 years working life and never had time off sick suffered a heart attack, he had to wait 3months before we could get a penny in benefits.We would join a queue of immigrants who were getting housing benefits, child benefits etc etc. and my husband who had paid all his dues and demands so that these people get a share of our benefit system couldn't get anything. It was due to family and friends that we survived that period of our lives as they paid our bills when our small amount of savings ran out. I'm sure people will understand how we feel about these scroungers coming here, and quite frankly we have had enough. Look after our own Cameron,let the scroungers look after themselves.
Sam, London, 25/4/2011 08:50 You asked who is with you. Well I think the answer is most of us, but I don't know how a protest could be organised and coordinated. I don't know what the focus of the protest should be either. Is it about immigration, benefits or the EU? The media try and label everyone racist who stands up for this country. We need something like the London Peace march and we need somebody or an organisation with the influence to make it happen. Maybe somebody like the Daily Mail? I do wonder whether enough people would be bothered enough to come. If you are with Sam please green arrow.
And Cameron's response to do something about reducing immigration is only an "ambition," he said. I voted for change at the last election, not the garbage that is being thrown at us now by the Conservatives.
We need to get out of the EU. Lets just have the free trade agreement back. Why are we the only country in the EU that gives out these handouts ?...I could not go to Turkey, Spain, France, or anywhere in the EU and get hundreds of euro's per week to live. This has to stop!!! Part of Camerons manifesto was to stop the immigration, it has not happened...This cannot continue, it's time to get out of the EU once and for all...
25/4/2011 we are bringing this on ourselve's, we must agree with it by voting for the same pro E.U partie's,Clegg/Miliband/ Cameron are all pro E.U, they have let you know this by there actions, [cameron's latest,to cut back immigrants just watch] There is only one party who wants out of the E.U thats U.K.I.P,and the answer. OGGA1.
Why?
This is because Labour and the Tories want us to stay in the EU. get out of the EU, and we can stop paying these benefits.
Where are these so called easy benefits? I'm unable to claim bugger all after being self employed for 10 years. I have now been out of work for over 12 months and I still can't claim a penny. How are these people getting any benefits? Seriously, just how??!?!?!
And whats our great Leader Cameron going to do about it . I'll tell you ,nothing because he 's a yes man and sides with Europe .We have a government with no guts and not just on the immigration front but on everything . We are over run with every thing that the rest of the original countries of europe dont want . Send them to England . and let them swell the populas till it bursts . And Who cares . Not our lot .
The hard working British people have had their benefits chopped, diced and sliced, but for any foreigner coming in they get half of what most people earn in a week and for just coming here, even when we are all ready over crowded. Government, I thought you promised us change from Labour, your actually doing it worse now, in this situation at least.
So these people can claim £250 a week whilst pensioners are denied a reasonable income for which they will have paid into all their working lives, many existing on about £110 a week. No justice.
I have no problem with the East Europeans who have come here to work, they are hard working, and certainly 'got on their bikes' to look for work. However, I am sure just like we have a considerable number of wasters here, there are considerable numbers of wasters back in their East European countries. Even an idiot can see that allowing imediate access to benefits, and very generous ones at that, is going to attract the lazy ones to come here as well, the sort who will make no contribution what so ever. Still I suppose it will keep property prices up and we can send them to live in the towns where there is no work to help keep the schools open! This government is turning out to be as absurd as the last one.
Don't forget Cameron wants Turkey in the EU as well, if that happens we will really see huge problems! Is this arrangement about benefits reciprocal? Could I go to Sweden for instance, pay for a flat for a few months out of my own pocket, look for work unsuccesfully then claim benefits? If so, I'm off to Sweden!
WE ARE FULL
Enough is enough. NOW is the time to vote BNP.
The lunatics are running the asylum. who voted these idiots into government. For all our sakes think next time.
of course the EU will agree to lift the bar. IT ISNT THEIR COUNTRY THESE LOWLIFE ARE HEADING FOR. And will they return the subsidies payments to help meet this increase sum of money? Bl***ywell NO! Please can we have a governent, which will stand up for BRITAIN, and not cowtow to the faceless gits who are determined to sink us?
The EU appears to be practising communism lite, but does the fact that people are migrating from ex-communist countries for work not give some clue that this outdated political system is prone to failure.
I can't take this anymore, are there any excellent Lawyers out there willing to take this on??????
What a cheek I get £110 a week to live on a pensioner and paid into the systum all my life 70yrs now and still paying how do people do it and get more i have tried and been turned down. Now they are going to give them £250 a week never even SPENT A PENNY in this country wish some one would tell me how to do it.
Lets have our country back
The clock is ticking Camagoon. If you don't hold a referendum on leaving the EU, start looking for another job as you will be out of this one sooner than you think!
PLUS there`s the cost of translators for them, together with a mountain of paperwork that will need translating & the DSS staff to deal with them - Tucker, Barrow-in-Furness, 25/4/2011 9:00......... PLUS Child benefit,payable regardless if the children are living here or not.Education,Healthcare,Housing,etc,etc.
If you don't like what is happening to our country - and who does ? then go out and vote UKIP or some other minority party on the 5 May. Don't leave it up to someone else, but give the three main parties a good kick where it is needed.
Of course there will be a huge influx, they are very streetwise and know more about what they can get than native Brits.
why is this allowed to happen? i have worked abroad in holland and i am currently in finland and i am entitled to nothing until i have paid into the system for 12 months. is it one rule for britain and another for the rest of europe? france and germany wouldn't allow this but are happy to impose it on britain. glad i escaped from camerons britain.
i have a friend who has been living abroad for 5 years, he has applied for benefits until he is able to start work which would have been in two weeks. 8 weeks later he is still waiting for benefits, he had no money until he started work so how can they claim so much money in so short a time when a british citizen cannot claim anything even though they have been paying into the system for 30 years this is disgusting !1
They have paid nothing in so they get nothing out. . Period.
I've payed my taxes all my life. I bet if i went to claim for anything I'd be sent packing empty handed. Thanks to Tony Blair who signed us into EU for everything that does'nt benefit us but benefits is wife.If we don't get a grip we'll be brought down to a third world country .
Something drastic needs to be done right now to stop this disgratful immagration benifit situation, waken up Cameron your speeches are nothing but lies, enough is enough, even the asylum situation is not worth believing,
Now we start to see why tens of thousands of sick people are being thrown onto Work Support Allowance ( Or whatever its called this week ) ! Got to raise lots of cash for our visitors from far off lands !
If what we read is true then just who is it that makes this decision. I as a taxpayer was not asked and quite frankly when there are so many british people struggling any money should be there to help us. Mr Cameron ask the British people what they really want, the referendum you promised GET US OUT OF THE EU ASAP. Let all us britains stand shoulder to shoulder.
I weep for my country and for us ordinary people, young and old, who have been abandoned by government. Both my grandfathers fought at the Somme, and my dad fought in WW2. What for, I now ask myself? Our country and everything that was good and fair about it for has been given away on a plate.
don't get this at all....when i was in Portugal i couldn't claim portuguese benefits or get help learning the language or get help getting a job...ditto spain and bulgaria....seems to be one way traffic and really how big is this country its like ' how many people can you squeeze into a mini/the UK' i would love to get all the help folk get here, abroad...you wouldn't see me for dust!
Why do we always elect a spineless goverment?
No European immigrant should be given any benefit other than a return ticket home. They should never ever be provided with housing nor be allowd to take any jobe without, say, pre payment of a deposit into the NI system of at least £1000. We need desperately to get out of the EC , close our borders to all immigrants from anywhere in the world, recheck all those granted permission to stay to see if circumstances have changed and ban completely the useof "the right to a family life" as a factor in huiman rights cases This is a small crowded island with per people per square mile than other Euriopean countries and we should not take any more
Perhaps we should give them the same value of benefits that they would receive in their own country had thay stayed there. I suspect UK would be nowhere near as attractive.
David Cameron says it is his "mission" in politics to make the Big Society succeed - WE NOW ALL UNDERSTAND NOW EUROPEAN MIGRANTS
Its time we all did something drastic to give these modern day Robin Hoods a wake up call,The monies paid by taxpayers are meant to be used for services to the people to help the country run smoothly NOT given away to every freeloading parasitic economic migrant that fancies the easy life
250 per week ????? I'm being ripped off with only 500 per month, give me my money now.
Well Mr Cameron made a pledge that the British people could sack him if he wasn't doing the job properly so what are we the British people doing about it Nothing that's what and once again we have been let down by politician's lies nothing has changed since we got rid of Blair and nothing will in some countries you have to have lived there for a certain time you also have to be able to speak the language Britain has become a dumping ground and its time to stop
Given that the pension that I worked and paid for for 50 years is £102 per week, will I be allowed to leave the country, then move back and claim £250.=================This country gets more anti English every day.=============Then I am asked how I feel about the Royal Wedding.===========I will give you 3 guesses as to my answer.
PLUS there`s the cost of translators for them, together with a mountain of paperwork that will need translating & the DSS staff to deal with them
The problem is less to do with the immigrants and more to do with the overly generous benefits system that has created a generation of home-grown bone idlers and turned this country into a magnet for the bone idlers of Europe.
"Help African war refugees, pleads pope" No! You help them. Vatican City is big enough and rich enough, Brits have had enough of immigrants and charity.
So Old age pensioners who have paid into our taxation system all their lives don't even get half the amount to live on that a migrant gets? Isn't it time we citizens took some direct action over this blatant discrimination?
Do I live in England or Imigrantland,when will our Publicly Elected Leaders,wake up to the thoughts and feelings of the people,why must we support financialy the majority of Europe when we dont support our own people.I get so worked up and irate when I read things like this about handouts to imigrants who have payed nothing at all into our financial coffers.Is Cameron and his Whitehall cronies not interested in what the people have to say on these matters,do they not have the backbone to follow the likes of France and Germany,and say enough is enough,who will we as a nation upset if we decline to give Imigrants handouts without question,when our own have to fill in endless forms,undergo countless interviews to get benefits they are entitled to,it is time for a National Referendum on remaining a member of the EU.
The truth is all 3 political parties with any chance of governing are not opposed to this situation! Is there not some way in which the voting public could show their disgust and refuse to endorse the policies of these 3 parties? If we had the AV voting system perhaps? DonÂ’t forget without the endorsement of 51% of voters an MP could not win their seat, forcing them to support the same policies the majority of their constituents want! Just a thought.
The label "Only in Britain" applies here. As other posters are pointing out, this doesn't happen in other EU countries. Add to this that we pay billions more into the EU than what we get out of our membership. Plus, Tony Blair gave away our rebate for zilch in return, which Margaret Thatcher had fought tooth and nail to obtain. Plus, the self-serving EU gravy train has grown to mammoth size. It's gone way beyond an outrage, a referendum on EU membership is imperative.
You know, you all only have yourselves to blame for this. You voted socialist LIEbour in serveral times, who put the roots down for all this, and DC is not interested either. I moved here 22 yrs ago and I can see the way this country has pressed the self desruct button. You will all wake up when it's all too late and your country and any identity it had is all gone to foreginers. I've only got three years left and I'm going back to my original country.
Where are these cuts that are meant to be happening? I think the best place to start is here!
Yeah, a lot more than my weekly pension after PAYING IN for more than 40 years. Cheated again.
Close the borders now, we've had enough of this. It's OUR taxes people, our money that they get. It's time to force the politicians to listen to those who pay their wages.
Who will save us from the awful situation! Sick to death of the EU, EEC, Common Market (?) et al.
What do they think this island is? a cruise ship!
It doesn't matter how much you complain,shout from the rooftops,etc.nothing will change untill those in power,the influence,and money start to feel the pinch.And as we know that will never happen.I will be contacting my conservative MP to complain but expect the same response as when I asked her to provide details of the number of people in the UK who speak the 50 plus languages on the back of the census form....nothing.
Cameron DO SOMETHING !
whose bloody idea is this the EU and what is the Government going todo about it....this is not on. come on UK and the DAily Mail start protests up. something has got to stop frightening .........how come they will end up getting more than pensioners who have worked all their lives something wrong some where. why the hell should we accommodate all the rubbish from the eu
This is just the EU's way of getting more contributions from us. Wealth redistribution is their objective.
Protests regarding the EU will get us nothing, and we are denied a vote on the issue of membership. I hope that soon, Englishmen will rise up a and take to the streets, while we are able, and it will take the need for arms to gan our freedom. This country is well down the road to its end, ably supported by traitors actually voted into power by us, the victims. If we don't take up arms, we accept domination by a foreign power.
Louise of Bedfordshire:Great .... in they'll flock.... and people who need extra help like my pensioner mother do not get it! If I had the money I would leave the UK tomorrow and take my family with me, and never look back. This is why it is happening - our citizens are flocking to other countries instead of protesting about what is going on. In another country you would have mass protests about this sort of thing but what does the good old Brit do - run!! How many Ex-pats come on these sites and run the country down. They are happy to live elsewhere so they are really no different. Britain has lost its backbone because the people no longer stand up and get counted.
That's more than a lot of people earn, the BNP are starting to look attractive, we've been sold out, literally.
Why can we not give them the same amount they would get in their own country and then calm that money back from their benefits system ?
This is abominable we are suffering cutbacks and they are giving taxpayers money to people who have paid nothing into the system,and its not the EU rules either other countries do not pay immigrants benefits.I'm absolutely disgusted with the government for allowing this.Voting BNP is the only way out of this farcical situation why do I feel that I'm being robbed I wonder?
Instead of moaning on here why don't we all do stand up and protest or something. Instead of doing the typical British thing of I'm all right jack sod everyone else. This is out of control and will never get better unless something is done and the only ones who can start that are the British Public. It works in France and other countries. Lets put the Great back in Britain for once, whos with me!!???
Jesus, is it never going to end? It seems these days the only people who can't claim anything are British. Can anyone tell me what are the benefits of us being in the EU because as far as I can see all it's done is screw us from every angle.
We need to be told how the benefits systems work in other EU countries. If there is supposed to be equality within the EU why is Britain's benefits system seen to be so generous to outsiders?
This country has gone loopy we have to get out of europe now
WE are broke yet and are having to work until we drop to survive yet we continue on this road to nowhere. Where is the backbone of this country...we need a revolution...I am first in line for it! - sick of MP's and MEP's, UK, 25/4/2011 07:48 Couldn't agree more - I believe it all starts on Facebook?
A message top Cameron, Do what the Italians do, don't obey the EU, and domn't pay this wave of partasites a penny.
I have been to several of these European countries and the current comments here are RIGHT. You cannot goto these countries and just claim Benifits. You must work and if you buck the rules or the Law they do send you back. The British Government (Labour and now Cons/LibDems) are the guilty parties here and are giving away our wealth while making our own people suffer extensive cuts(especially our elderly). There needs to be a stop on this. I do believe the three main political parties are working to the same agenda in trying to bankrupt this country by giving away resources that are meant for the people that paid them in. We need a public investigation into this to enable it to be stopped.
This cannot in any way be right. We cannot go abroad and claim the same in any country - in fact there is always a huge delay in getting any payment (I believe that you can look for work abroad but there is such a delay in getting any benefits that most people come back before this ever occurs). The red tape everywhere else is huge and so it should be here for anyone from another country. If this is still going on then it only proves that it is not Labour who caused the problem but that all parties are under the thumb of EU rule.
Take note Cameron, a lot of these people were Tory voters........you are squeezing us until the pips squeak but there is no tightening up for immigrants, or the Irish, or Pakistan, or Portugal......... everyone has human rights, apart from me.........
THIS IS A DISGRACE we must get out of the E.U. before this Country is destroyed completely. UKIP for me from now on, never again will I vote for a main party as it is our only hope of getting out of the E.U. Something must be done to stop our crazy benefits system. How can this be just and fair - we are inviting the world to come for hand-outs, while our pensioners, the NHS etc., etc., and our tax paying hard-working citizens suffer the consequences.
It would be unthinkable for the new immigrants to have to live below the level of pensioners simply because the latter have worked and contributed to the national pot. British benevolence is on display yet again.
No problem at all. The government simply hands the bill to the immigrants respective governments for them to pay. If they refuse then don't pay the benefits. When we have emergency medical treatment in a member state that state bills our government. Anything over basic treatment we have to pay out of our own medical insurance.
I have a lot of time for the Eastern Europeans I know personally, they are hard working, polite and integrate well but it is ridiculousy naive to suggest that ALL migrants come here to work, handing out money to everyone is open to abuse, we have enough scroungers of our own without encouraging even more, most people would agree that having a manageable number who are contributing to society is far more sensible than opening the floodgates even further.
We are currently running ourselves ragged, trying to sort out care for my elderly mother in law, she cannot live with us as we all work and it is not safe to leave her in the house during the day alone, so we are having to go down the care home route. She has a little bit of savings, but she also owns the family home. We are trying to rent this out on her behalf to raise income so we can cover all her care costs ourselves. It makes me sick to see the greedy councils come round and eye up the property (we told them to sod off!) she worked until well after she should have retired, only ever went on holiday abroad once in 1982. Does not smoke or drink and occasionally (and I mean occasionally) went to bingo. This kind of thing makes me ashamed to be British - we will look after every tom-dick and harry from the EU, but our elderly, if they have any assets will have it all taken off them if the gov can get their greedy claws on it - sickening, it really is!
I feel David Cameron will be asked to step down as leader soon, Great Britain does not have the money? Or do we have the money Mr Cameron seems to be giving a lot away this year and last year.
New Government, same old kiss a-- policies when it comes to the EU. The EU says 'you pay, and Cameron, like Blair and Brown before him, says no prob, I will rip the money off the people who have contributed all their lives, especially pensioners. I have contributed for 46 years. Never had a penny in benefits. When the new pension scheme comes in, I like my wife, will be excluded. With millions unemployed and no jobs, why do we need any immigrants coming to the UK? Time we had a referendum about changing our status in the EU to a trading partner. That is what Heath said we were joining for. Instead we seem to be sustaining the economies of the 8 countries listed by paying benefits that these people can only dream of.
where do they get £250 a week from >>> I lost my job at christmas, get 60 jSA and 80 Housing benefit a week have to live on less than £5 a week after all my bill are paid, I don't smoke or drink, or drugs come to that. Can't afford to socialise (what ever that is) I am 60 and caught in the new pension rules so don't get mine till next year .. no jobs because I am too old. Catch 22 come to mind. WISH I GOT 250 A WEEK ..........
Did nobody write into the rules that only British citizens were allowed to claim beneifits? Conversely then why aren't all benefits harmonized across the EU?? There are actually jobs for these people in their home countries and even though everything is dearer here what actually makes it attractive for them is free money doled out by the State..particularly free money for having babies and bringing them up for the next 16 years, free healthcare and subsidised living standards. They know that they will always be provided for and will never fall on hard times. They will spoil it for everybody eventually.
Well maybe such immigrants, moving to Britan should be able to claim benefits: BUT, those benefits should be claimed from , and paid by, their own countries, even if the perople concerned are living here. We must not enhance the attractiveness of the Uk by such generous benefit systems. Stop it now!. This is a very major mistake, to allow such payments to be made by the Uk to nationals of other countries.
Cameron stop this madness now. We can't afford it. Where is our referendum now is the time to get out of the EU. France are apparently going to reintroduce border controls for the refugees from italy, so I suggest that we do the same. NO more immigrants
Cameron you should be ashamed of yourself and your Government !!!!!!. Before the election you gave all these promises on what you would do if you were elected. Now you are in Government - nothing you have just lied, no referendum and done more U turns than Margaret Thatcher did in her whole terms in office. Just a change of hats every 5 years if you keep the old voting system . Bring on the yes vote and get in some new voices who will speak for the hardworking taxpayer. (UKIP.)
To think they the government are spending millions of pounds on a referendum over voting rights which very few people of this country is interested in, Why didn't they have it on the membership of the EU which is a thorny subject at the best of times. At least then which ever way the vote went it would put a stop to the arguing over subsidies and I am sure the public at large would listen to all points of view before making their decision. Are the politicians just to scared of this option or is it because all leaders of all the parties want jobs for the boys once their term in government is over in the EU money train.
I'm surprised we are not holding street parties for the influx of immigrants too. We seem to be giving them everything else, home, health care, and money. This is absolutely disgraceful close the borders Britain is already full of these free loaders!
This is unbelievably disgusting when. The country is in recession, many UK residents out of work and now the Government want to give foreigners our money. All foreigners not born in the UK but arriving for free financing should be sent home. Maybe a vote for the country on this would be far more beneficial than the AV referendum. What has happened to what was once a lovely place to live?
No person should be allowed to claim jobseekerÂ’s allowance or housing and council tax benefits in the UK until they had worked here for 12 months continuously. Not even our own citizens.
I lived in Slovenia for 3 years (Incidentally, Slovenia is not in Eastern Europe, it borders Italy and Austria and they're not in Eastern Europe) and while I was there I didn't claim any kind of financial support, in fact I created employment there. However, I saw how hard it was for anyone from another country (including the UK) to obtain benefits, whereas it appears that any Slovene coming to the UK will have (my hard-earned tax) money thrown at them? It shouldnt be so one-sided, after all we're all meant to be EU partners together aren't we? We are such an easy touch in this country and (despite saying they will make it harder for others to abuse our system) each successive government does nothing about it. I give up!
another flow of dole dossers on its way. they will be treated better than brits. what a bunch of spineless mp`s we have . it time they stood up to the eurocrats & said enough is enough. referendum where is it?.
This is yet another reason why we need to exit the EU double quick. Cameron is failing to listen or act to the vast majority who want that referendum now and get us out. His absurd stance that we are better off inside to influence the EU has simply not worked - and it never will. If he gave us that referendum, he could guaranteefor himself a landslide at the next election and he could dump the Libdems to the outer wilderness where the country believes they belong.
There are no if''s or but's this County need'sto get out of the E.U. A.S.A.P.
Successive governments are to blame for this, Blair started it and Cameron & Clegg are continuing the rip off of the British taxpayer. All Cameron's huffing and puffing about the EU, was just hot air, he has done nothing and he will continue to do nothing. The coalition will continue to put out the welcome mat to Eastern Europeans, whilst punishing the population they purport to represent.
So this is 'belt tightening' is it? Cash for wars, foreigners and scroungers but not for the old and disabled some of whom fought a war so we could be free. Shameful. Immigrants should lodge a bond when they arrive so they can get home if they haven't found a job in 6 months.
Perhaps we need more choice if we ever get to vote on the EU Stay in EU and human rights act. Stay in EU but opt out of human rights act. Move out of EU completely.
There is a vast difference between being entitled to claim benefits and actually getting them. (Something which journalists seem to be unable to grasp.)
Come on my fellow Brits! Lets stop moaning about the cost of providing benefits for foreign workers: we will just have to work a bit harder for a bit longer to pay for Dave's generosity. You know it makes sense!
Surely it is notbeyond the wity of our reguatory authorities to make it 12 months residency
This is absolute madness. The benefits system was set up as a safety net for British citizens who had fallen on hard times, not to keep half the world's population in luxury. Cameron was voted into power to put and end to this, yet does nothing. It's time to scrap the benefits system altogether and replace it with a community work scheme.
So soft, many of the young Turkish men I meet here ask if it is true the British govt will give you money for not working. They cannot believe it, especially as in this country you are very lucky to work one week in six and get no money for not working. There is no wonder all the world wants to go to UK. Change the system now, or get swamped by economic migrants.
Has anyone realised yet that the EUSSR is out to bankrupt this country?...to reduce us to a client state,dependent on EUSSR handouts...All this is happening with the enthusiastic backing of the Quislings and EUSSR puppets in Westminster..Call me Dave and the rest of the chancers and losers are all owned by the Empire...communists to a man....If you all want to live on your knees then keep voting for this Lib/Lab/Con rubbish.....
Well anyone who is upset only have themselves to blame, should have voted BNP OR UKIP.
The benefits of being in the EU have tipped the other way......time to get out.
Those who the Gods wish to destroy they first make mad. A vote for AV would just shorten the madness bit enabling us to reach destruction even more quickly.
What do people expect, you have a political elete who want to look good on the world stage by giving money to countrys that do not need it and money to east europeans who have not contributed anything here. You have socialist councils who activly encourage families to come here to live in large victorian house on £1450 a week benefits, work why should they, just lie back in front of the 50" TV and enjoy life in benefit rich UK.
Did anyone ask you about paying out this money from your hard earned? Will these imports take your job at lower wages? WHO authorises these payments. A nameless civil servant. Write to you local MP and kick up stink before you lose the pittance you now earn and are forced to beg on the streets. Tell her or him his own job is under threat from you.
The UK is being torn apart, with politicians being too weak and uncaring to do anything. If nothing is done by the people, that`s it -kaput!
We need to get out on the streets and protest against this madness !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My mistake was working all my life paying into pension scheme ,,,,,,, !
So lets get this straight. We are delaying the pension age for millions, reducing the amount that they actually get. Increase the pension contribution for current workers. But we are attracting thousands if not hundreds of thousands with the promise of £250 per week, £12k per year.... WHY TREAT US LIKE THIS.
This is what you get for being in "Europe". When i worked in Poland 3 years agao, the job agencies where advertising job's in the UK and how to claim various benefits. To the guy's i was working with out there, our country was a laughing stock, they could not believe we where stupid enough to give away money like that, they said all the local lazy people and criminal's where moving to the UK in drove's, they thanked us for clearing out their unwanted trouble causer's. Look's like this is just about to become an even bigger issue.
European legislation allows for the free movement of labour however, it specifically says that thesuch persons should not impact on the social security bill of the country that they move to. You are only entitled to social security benefits once you have been paying into the social security fund, and paying tax on work that you are doing. The UK does not have to house or pay benefits to people who come from the EU looking for work.
I know not everyone will agree with me, but I firmly believe that any new migrants coming into the country should only be allowed to do so if they have full-time work, can support themselves fully, are not entitled to any benefits, do not take up any social housing, & do not qualify for free health service and so have to get medical insurance. France, Australia and New Zealand have much stricter rules and it's about time we tightened up our own policies. We cannot keep putting citizens of other countries before our own. People come here because they see our system as a joke and they know thay can get something for nothing. I understand that there are genuine asylum seekers, and people willing to work, but there are far more people who come here simply because they know they are entiltled to benefits and they want an easy life. They are taking liberties, and our Government is not only letting them, but giving them a green light. We need to put a stop to it.
It's not benefit "tourism"......Tourists eventually go back where they came from.
How is it right that my dad who was born,lives,worked, paid his dues and is retired gets no help with his fees for his care home when people who have no connection with the country recieve any benefit. It is utter madness. MAD MAD MAD .
@ Jack Jones. Yes it is the fault of the EU. France and Germany may not pay out benefits so swiftly, but their actions breach EU laws which is laughable given that those are the countries which are the EU's biggest cheerleaders. Behaving like France and i
David Malaga, Spain. I could not agree more. I have lived here for seven years and if you don't pay in, you do not get anything. Even the dole is limited for a set period depending upon contributions. This being the case, how is it that the UK is the dumping ground for all and sundry. I wish that the UK would stop blaming the EU, it is the UK politicians and Civil Servant who are at fault.
Its time to vote for a party that will get us out of the hell hole called EU and be able to rebuild our country so that we look after our own people. We need decent pensions so we look after our old folk and stop giving our money away to any tom dick or harry.
Is this the reason we have all been cut to the bone with cuts and benefits and everything going, so we all on hands and knees trying to survive with massive cuts but yet Cameron is giving more in forgein aid and payign for half the world...so in reality he has cut us Britis to pay for everyone else...enjoy your first and last term in power Cameron, you will all be out in next general election, i for one will never ever vote for Tories again, yes im a mug and voted them this time but ive been bitten now and wont hapen again. UKIP is only way to get out of this mess as Tories, Labour and Lib dems all the same, they care not one dot for any of us Britis...do away with them all, lying sneaky rats!!!!!!!!
So it is not only MP.s with their snouts in the trough.
Yet again another two fingers to the British public. Time to shut the doors and get us out of Europe. Never thought I would say this but it is BNP next time my friends
The British people's concerns about immigration have been ignored since the 1970s, governments have instead believed big business that unfettered immigration is necessary for the economy. The inevitable has happened- we are swamped with immigrants and the economy is hopeless. Its time for government to realise that the people of this country have been right all along.
Saying that these benefits were "time-limited" just isn't good enough. This government can extend that period indefinately as they already proved by moving the pension qualifying age. It seems that Cameron and his motly crew are no better than the last Labour administration when it comes to looking after immigrants ahead of our own people.
when is the next election?
I'd lilke to know how the comment 'treated like Britons' came from - they are not treated like us at all, they are treated much better by far with benefits simply handed to them willy nilly courtesy of all the do-gooders employed simply to inform 'benefit tourists' of all they can claim......!
Remember ,we're all part of the happy EU family .....................OH! and 'we're' ALL in this .........TOGETHER ??
I pay income tax still. Why. to pay for the benefits of these people. -- I think it;s more to pay for the bonus's of the bankers than the £67 a week these poor souls will have to survive on.
This will happen. No ifs or buts, people from Eastern European countries WILL come to the UK and take advantage of the system. As usual the UK government will not listen to the British public. The government will do nothing to help protect the country and vast areas of England will start to look like Eastern Europe. Sadly, the majority of British people will continue to complain about it, but likewise will do NOTHING. Fast forward to the year 2015 and I guarantee that you will be reading about how it happened here on DM. (Or perhaps the DM will be in the Polish language by then)- GB, Offshore, 25/4/2011 7:39 Yes, do nothing or do the wrong thing. In order to put an end to this and other madness, you need UKIP in government. At the last election UKIP received 919,546 votes, without a single seat in parliament. Whereas the Democratic Unionists received 168,216 votes with 8 seats. All thanks to FPTP. AV will allow UKIP into Westminster. The 'no' vote keeps them out. THINK before you vote!
Since the EU expanded in 2004, Britain has experienced its largest wave of migration, despite official predictions that only 13,000 workers would want to move here.......So much for official predictions!,... Result...13,000 for every Town and City
My God, not even our own gets this amount. Just staggering. Camerjokeron you have to deal, but alas you won't.
Come on Dave, we need that referendum on the EU NOW so that we can escape the madness of trying to support everybody from those other EU countries. Either that or find a quiet island somewhere for the indigenous Brits who only want the style of life we used to have before the population of the world descended upon us..
May I change my status from being a UK pensioner to being an East European non-working immigrant, please ?
This is so so wrong. My son who is doing his best to find work after being made redundant 18 months or more ago has just had his benefits suspended, that means he has NOTHING to live on until they decide to reinstate it!!! Yet we can get these bloody foreigners over here and within weeks will be give £250!!!! Talk about looking after your own eh? I'm wondering if the Government will reimburse me my expenses for keeping him? £10 here and £10 there soon eats into our small pension so he may starve, is that right Mr. Cameron? Why should our own be pushed to one side because of migrants?
So, let me get this straight. We Brits have to work until we drop to get a paltry pension at the end of it all whilst leeches from European countries can just swan in and claim every benefit going which my taxes and others who've worked hard in this country have paid into? Great, well done Mr Cameron.
Mr Cameron ... when you have finished baby-sitting and paddling with your children in Cornwall .... can you please explain to this nation and to me ........ exactly why, being you are giving a substantial amount of money to India and other nations, you will NOW probably to cow-tow to Europe's demand that we shell out benefits to anyone from Latvia and other 'districts' of the continent - without so much as a wimper! ..... I want to know why you are prepared to take tax out of my private pension of £39.49 A YEAR ... and give it to people who think they just deserve a better standard of living and we are going to supply it. ......... I'm tired of waiting for you and your cronies to do something that SUPPORTS the people of this country. ....Never mind side-tracking us with the wedding, the Libyan problem, AV or anything else ....I WANT AN ANSWER - NOW .... no more waffle - get off your backside and DO SOMETHING.
It is so gratifying to know that the years I spent in forces in the forties serving this Country. & then quite a few years of austerity afterwards, paying my taxes, we can be so helpful to other poor souls from our new EU friends. who will get more money PW than my wife & I get. Who was it said charity begins at home. Something our Government does not comprehend.
When I worked in a tiny community town of Arad (Romania), the taxi driver there who was contracted to the company I worked for said he wanted to live in England. The obvious question from me was Why? He told me then (2002) that you get paid for not working. From that day on, I resent the Eastern Block invitation to join the EU. It doesn't get any more clear than that now does it???
Is there a deliberate plot to keep the UK taxpayers poor by giving all their money to foreigners. We give billions to the EU Dictatorship for which the man in the street gets nothing in return, billions in foreign aid which most of it never goes to the poor anyway, and billions to fund wars which are nothing to do with us, Besides which we are paying billions in benefits for the limitless numbers of immigrants and their dependants who have been foisted on us by the EU, and those from the rest of the world who are here, who then bring over the rest of their families, all a drain on our hospitals, schools, prisons, etc. Then the tax payers are told there is nothing left for them and they must tighten their belts and be taxed yet more. It is beyond a joke.
Someone, somewhere, has COMPLETELY lost their marbles WHO has authorised this lunacy ? LIB DEMS ? YOU BET !!!
WHY is the much needed revolution on hold ????
Unfortunately, the only people denied benefits by Britain under the Freedom of Movement Act are its own disabled expats - which is stunning hypocrisy given that we still pay UK taxes. The incomers will only have to wait 3 months - our struggle is still ongoing after 8 years. Nice to know my taxes are going to a worthy cause, though, how awful if it was just being wasted on disabled British pensioners.
I know - instead of one on AV, let's have a referendum on staying in Europe. That would solve all this nonsense in a stroke! Or would that be democratic and therefore just a silly idea?
This means they will also claim child benefit on top of everything else,regardless of if the children are actually living in Britain.The burden on the British taxpayer is already immense.Madness.
This shows how being a member of the EU is a one way street. We pay billions for membership, we pay billions in benefits to people who realise we are a soft touch with open borders. What do we get in return? Er, jobs for our failed politicians, that's what. Off they go to nice secure well paid golden pensioned non-jobs paid for out of OUR money. Nice work if you can get it. So it's in our politicians interests to keep us in the EU so that they can get their snouts in the trough when they are kicked out of office here.
The politicians of this country are the Uriah Heeps of the world. They slavishly adhere to European dictat and the greed of big business. Our politicians should not have the privilage of being called MP's as they seem to have no allegiance to the British People, or the country. They should be called Councillors of Europe. I also think they would like to wipe the name of Great Britain from the annuals of History. Any idea's what our new name for the country should be?
No problem in principle, but the concept of the EU was meant to be freedom of workers not scroungers. If also the latter, the host country should be allowed send a bill to the country the people migrated from.
Feel sick and betrayed. This is more than my monthly state pension.
as I keep saying OUT OUT OUT of the EU
how can you go on the dole as soon as you arrive from Eastern Europe??????????????? We'll every unemployed or employed person from over there. NO cuts there
My wife who is British was first lumbered by the Dutch authorities with a temporary residence permit 3month as a sailer? she then progressed to becoming a asylum seeker awaiting trail for deportation.All this trouble becouse she refused to give up her British passport.This went on for 16 years until 2005.She now has a residents permit under the condition that she cannot claim benefits and is self supporting.
So twelve months in and nothing has changed, they really are driving us reluctantly into the arms of the BNP.
It seems to me like only mass demonstrations on large scale and constant may make the gvnt pause and think about Europe. Our politicians are from elite cliques who are divorced from the realities of this word. In this new Market I would urge everyone to ensure that their children concentrate in school and get skills which the economy needs. These eastern Europeans are going to be taking the low paid jobs and edging unskilled Brits out of the Market. It's also sad to say but in the future I forsee a time when Brits will be forced to become economic migrants and move to commonwealth countries like, Australia, Canada, and even Africa. You will be surprised by how many Brits are starting businesses and trade in Africa.
I was born here and have worked since I left school and always paid full tax and NI. I've been out of work since last July due to local government cutting staff, and was only entitled to 6 months contribution based JSA as my husband worked. We now struggle to live on one wage as we have no entitlement to any benefits or help, and this month have the choice of paying our utility bill or buying food. I live in private accommodation as I can't get on the housing list, and I'm really worried what lies ahead of us when we retire in just a few years time. Our Government should be looking after its own - you can see why all and sundry are coming here, its easy street - arrive, get a house, get benefits, sit back and laugh! I am really sad that our Government, at a time when it should be supporting its people, is relaxing rules which will only add financial strain to our economy. This precious island of ours is sinking.......
This has to be the last straw. Vote BNP or UKIP. ~~Get us out of the Madness that is the EU, before it destroys us completely.
I've said this before and it was never published by the DM but, if the immigrants coming here want to claim benefits (as they most likely will do) then those benefits should be paid by their home country and not the receiving nation. It works both ways of course but how many Brits will go to Romania to work, or Poland, or Estonia?
LATEST:U.K. economy picks up, £250 handouts now available.......get yours now in time for Royal Wedding weekend!.
Such a shame... that the average voter is a dip-stick. These people keep voting for the three EU parties ( Tory -Labour - Liberal )... and that's exactly what they get.... the EU ! Then- having voted for the EU... they complain about the EU. There is only one party that will dynamite the whole stinking EU mess ...... UKIP.
What a great idea - we force our elderly and disabled British citizens out to work so we can line the pockets of unemployed migrants. Why? Because it's easier than standing up to EU bureaucrats who treat us like a cash cow for impoverished Eastern European countries!! Our government really can be spineless at times. Bah!!
NO NO NO NO NO WAY. ENOUGH.
If I leave the UK and then come back as an immigrant would I be able to claim double the amount I get now? No I dont think so. I worked a paper round at 10, in a shop from 14, office work from 16 to 60 and in a shop again from 60 to 66 then I retired. I saved, went without and bought my own home. I have never claimed a penny. For years I worked in a pub as well as an office and what do I get at the end of it - half the amount an immigrant who has never paid in a penny, to make ends meet and to pay for a new roof I have had to let my home and move into a small bedroom at my daughter's home. Fair?? We should have a referendum on the EU now and pull out whilst we have a bit of money.
Do all the politicians since Macmillan who got us into this mess realise the pressure they are putting on the British people, Their well-being and their health is being effected by their refusal to see sense and organise a referendum on, do we stay or withdraw from the EU. The Brits are not fools, they know when they are being exploited. They are getting desperate, they don't know what to do, how to get their wish, and not the wishes of the political elite and the EU commission.
Not so "caused in the main by Britain's continued membership of the EU" France and Germany are EU members, But there are no benefits payable to immigrants, and they have to be self supporting, work and pay taxes for 5 years, Then if suitable, they may be allowed to stay. Appear in court twice and you are given the boot to anywhere out of their lands and in only what you stand up in. It is not the fault of the EU but the wet British government+s+s
stop this wholesale sell out of this nation by our corrupt politicians now without delay,we are paying our oaps half this 250 and expect them to live in poverty,our young saddled with 9000 a year fees they will take to their graves,vote bnp they will stop this treachery by our political leaders who keep denying the nation a right to leave this eu marxist corrupt group in brussels who now rule us in this country without our consent,whys the queen silent on this matter,just another one of that lot who wishto see the nation subdued and supressed against the nations wishes,but expect us all to be jumping up and down with joy about this royal marriage,i think not me old friut,we want our freedoms back!!!
There are no benefits for Brits who are living in Spain and we are in the eu along with Spain, and as for free movement of labour, there is none here, if you are British, you either work in the black economy or you rely on your pensions from the UK, there are no freebies from the state of Spain, no wonder they are all queuing to go to the UK again.
treated the same way as britains,we dont get anything ,i was on the dole for 6 months and only got money for 6 months ,then i got nothing after that,luckely i have a job but i have to slog my guts out now to pay for others to just come and take what they can get free ,we must be the stupidest people in the world,we give money to counterys to build schools while ours crumble,we fight wars we can not afford,we let polititions rip us off ,we pay higher prices for everything,our streets look like third world counterys while we give aid to countrys that can afford nuclear weapons and to send people to space,we are trated like mugs,now anyone can claime anything ,oh well off to slog my guts out again to earn money to give to who ever wants it .i think i will work some over time to pay to get to work as fuel has gone up 3 times since it was cut by a penny.
Time Shameron got to grips with this. We give billions out in foreign aid, handouts to those who have paid nothing into the system yet we are on our knees...lousy pensions for pensioners who have paid into the system for 40 years or more...nothing for NHS, disabled or students...time we had a Sarkozy in power who seems to stick a finger up at EU......very difficult to get anything in France! WE are broke yet and are having to work until we drop to survive yet we continue on this road to nowhere. Where is the backbone of this country...we need a revolution...I am first in line for it!
This makes me feel so good.Glad to see all my hard work is helping someone.(Had hoped it would have been me) I am 63 female never claimed benefit of any description, and am still paying tax. Like millions of others I am whacked every way I turn, the Country is hard up its all we hear and yet here are another bunch of free loaders ready to come in. I thought the idea was to get tough on immigration.I dont blame the people for coming, show me a Country where I can get such benefits and I would be away.
The word, "CHUMP" comes to mind!!!
Pay the same benefit that they would receive in their home country if that is lower than the benefit here. That would soon cut benefit tourism!
I dont see it matters that much. If you are jealous you can start to drink too much or take up heroin and become addicted. Then you can start to get some serious benefits. Works for me.
I read statements from politicians (sadly tory ones as well) all the time that the country needs all this skilled labour from abroad. So why the need for the ability to claim any sort of welfare benefit? I know, I know, it's the EU rules of course. Aren't I the stupid one? No job? No entry!
Come in come in, bring all your friends and familes..here, have this free money, free house, free schooling, free medical care, free everything...don't worry about the cost. The muggins British taxpayer will pay for it all. When is this EVER going to end? Cameron, the u turn specialist, PROMISED us an EU referendum but that will NEVER happen. He's too much PRO- Europe himself. Shame on you Cammy, another lie eh?
I love these words "risk" and "fears" . . . as if there is only a chance and it is not certain. We all know it is certain that professional parasites will be heading here, and never leaving. Why are we sitting back moaning and expecting the politicians to do anything about this ? Again, another certainty is that they will not. We are being explioted as a people, and what is worse, openly laughed at.
don't forget this £250 per week is also tax free.
Labour. The legacy thay just keeps giving.
I had issues with that speech Cameron made on immigration because I knew he was lying. The UK is bursting at the seems because EU east Europeans are permitted to flood the country. A whole village in Poland could turn up and walk through the airport and customs can't ask them any questions. Cameroon is decitful because he's always talking about capping non EU immigrants to make it seem as if he has a grip on the immigration problem but in reality he's doing nothing. Non EU immigrants from countrys like USA, Canada, Australia, India and Africa cannot claim benefits, only asylum seekers are entitled to benefits. The issue is Eastern Europeans, many who which cannot speak the language, have no ties to the commonwealth coming here to take low paid jobs or sit on benefits when they haven't paid a penny into the system. So Is this why the Tories want to cut, so the money can be given to Eastern Europeans instead. It's sheer and utter madness.
This is appalling, why, why, why is this being allowed?? We don't look after our pensioners but migrants, come on in and take as much as you wish - the GREAT has definitely disappeared from Britain. Something drastic needs to be done right now to stop this.....
The home office doesn't know how many migrants will be attracted to the UK... Whats the remaining population of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Slovenia?! Hope you got enough mansions in London to house them in, otherwise they'll be suing the state for breaching there human rights... When will the British people rise up & say enough is enough...
This is sheer madness. I retired three years ago after working for 50 years. I paid my taxesand dues during those years. On retirement I receive a pittance of a pension and am struggling to live. I pay income tax still. Why. to pay for the benefits of these people. East European countries should not have been allowed into the EU. We must be the only country giving away money to these people. It must stop. We can't afford it. We must have a low cap on migration from EU countries and elsewhere to stop the flood. Even our asylum situation is a farce.
When I was out of work last year I was allowed to claim job seekers allowance for 6 months only after that I was left to fend for myself. So nothing has changed you pay something in for years and you get nothing. You pay nothing in and you get what you want.
Anyone coming into the UK should be able to support themselves, no handouts full stop. The gutless government will not oblige thou.
great and my 70 year old husband,suffered an aneurysm in the brain, Dec 2010,has to wait to claim attendance allowance untill June, as they tell me he has to be sick for 6moths before he can claim!!! evan though he has severe problems,I have to do every thing myself, and he worked and paid full tax till the day it happened, why are we penalized,and they wonder why we complain
this world does'nt owe you a living son, my dads words to me on leaving school in 65.
What on earth? Thats above the minimum weekly wage. We should have a mass strike. Why are we slugging our guts out to see our hard earned going on foreign wasters?
Get on to the Department for Work and Pensions and leave a stern message. The more they get, the more likely they will start to listen. I've already done it. Also - write to your local MP. There's no point moaning unless you do this, and a quick email won't take more than 10 minutes to tap in and send. They NEED to hear this.
There will be room for the migrants as our over 80s, who are having their fuel allowance slashed and their interest income decimated will die of hypothermia.
It seems that the EU has created a mechanism of financial osmosis. The successful countries lower wealth & living conditions so the others eventually catch up. IF we are to stay in Europe, the deal needs to be renegotiated.
This confirms we have become a complete lunatic assylum. They will be flocking by the million.
From next Sunday they will be treated exactly the same as Britons. No, they will be treated better than us. Some people who have lived and worked here all their lives are denied some benefits because they haven't 'paid enough in'. It's a disgrace.
I should imagine the tickets to the UK are sold out allready and we wont even be able to keep count of them because theyre EU citizens .
my husband works damn hard for what we have to live on which is not much more than what these migrants will get,and he is working to pay for these handouts,there is no justice, britain is too easy on others but when those of us that are 'british' need help like OAP'S where is the help for them,charity starts at home.
Sign the People's pledge and protest for a EU referendum -it is the only way to stop the madness which is already costing us £9billion a year. We have no need of the EU at all.
What is Cameron doing about it?
Things like this will change the way people vote. We have been let down by government in the worst imaginable ways - & I've no doubt that there is more to come.
Why are these people getting more per week to live on the OAP's who have paid their dues all their lives and lived through the world war 11 years? How dare the government give away our money to strangers and outsiders when they cannot look after the elderly in the country. If there is money to spare make sure the child benefit is a sensible amount and available to all UK born parents, make sure that care homes for the elderly meet far igher standards than they do now and are subject to regular and frequent checks by health authority people. And also stop whinging on about how many UK born adults are registered for unemplyment benefit. Give these people a decent amount to live on...stop importing goods and start recreating an industrial base here in the UK. Start mining for coal again and stop all these millionaire MP's faffing about on jollies pretending to be doing good for the country. Most of all get our lads home and stop interferring in other countries affairs.
Over here you have to pay in before you can get anything out. East Europeans, such as Poles and Romanians are not entitled to anything, even healthcare, because they've not done any work to get the benefits. And even then, your benefits are dependent on what you did. You can't get the dole if you only work a few weeks. Maybe we need that in the UK, not just to stop foreigners, but workshy scroungers who haven't worked a day in their lives.
Sick and disabled sqeezed, elderly driven to poverty,the unemployed have trouble finding work and the young facing a grim future. What does the UK do from the 1st May, open its doors for all and sundry in the A8 to claim unrestricted benefits. Shame on all the governments of the UK.you have broken our people.! Absolutely disgusted!.
it estimates they will cost £30million a year, do people actually think it will cost £30 million per year, the last government said only 13,000 will come and look for work, but the real figure was 170,000 per year and remember if they can also claim other benefits, we already let every Tom, Dick and Harry into this country who has not contributed to the system, but get free money, housing and access to services, but you still get people the EU is good for the UK UTTER MYTH!
Make ANY benefit subject to 12 months payment of tax and National Insurance.
Somebody please tell me, as a UK taxpayer can I move to any European country and claim any benefits whatsoever? Also, will my efforts to make a claim be translated into English to ensure I am getting my full entitlement?? ........Didn't think so!! - Mark, St. John's, Antigua, 25/4/2011 01:58 Mark i have lived in Spain now for 8 years and i came here to retire with pensions sufficient to meet my needs so i have no axe to grind . The thousands of Brits who have left over the last 4 years are testament to the fact that there is nothing available if you fall on hard times.So did Spain sign a different agreement ? or do they interpret the rules to suit themselves .Always i read these stories in the DM and cannot find the same rules being applied here. The civil servants ensure that you never get to the end of the paperwork jungle,and even if you are 100% entitled to something it will take months to sort it out .
This in a country that is supposedly skint. These generous alterations to the rules apply only in this country of course. Meanwhile, in the real world of 21st Century Britain , working couples struggle to survive on not much more than the £250 per week which will be handed to immigrants who have never done a day,s work in this country;And in many cases never will.
Would it not be better to scrap all benefits and reduce taxes on employers who take people on to do work. That way, those who want to work can do so without being labelled the same as the benefits scroungers, whilst deterring people who turn up here with no intention of working hard.
My son has a degree in Chemisty, has tried everywhere for a job, lab assistant, shops anywhere and everywhere he gets jobseekers allowance and luckily lives at home. How do these people get £250.00 per week? If you voted Lib Dem, Labour or Tory, don't claim. Vote UKIP AND GET US OUT OF THIS MESS.
Huh..Refuse a disabled British person benefits, but give it to undeserving migrants.....sums up this country....perfectly
I am obviously doing it all wrong working for a living!!
The rules have to be lifted because they conflict with the EUÂ’s freedom of movement laws The UK does not allow free movement in and out of the EU anyway, So why should this one rule change? Try leaving Dover to go to France without your passport..... Your be in a cell faster than a pole coming here to claim JSA.
Does the EU have unemployment exchange programs? If so, I want to be unemployed and receiving benefits in the south of France please.
Actually I know from personal experience that any British Subject who wishes to move to any country in the EU can claim whatever benefits their host offers and that they're entitled to as EU Citizens. It is NOT a one way street. I would much rather spend £30 million on them, than give India £40 million in aid, when they very obviously can afford to spend billions on weapons of mass distruction and Space. Then there's all the other World Immigrants who get in here somehow and receive monies and housing that we can only dream of. Finally, there's the small matter of the £750 million a day spent on fighting a War we cannot win, in Afghanistan. Just imagine what that money could do here for our economic situation. Would there be any need for any cuts at all?
Madness! What is the ultimate purpose of the EU destroying Britain? Who is jockeying the system to take over, and what will be done with, or to, those who are natural born citizens? This cannot be accidental- it is purposeful, but to what sinister purpose?
Are these Eastern European Pensioners entitled to claim UK State Pensions ?
Perhaps it would now pay us - those in work - to also start to apply for handouts from the government. Give up our jobs but put our hands out and "claim" what we as Brit born are entitled to. No wonder the pot of money is going down when we are paying all and sundry when these people have never contributed a penny to our system. I can see the time when youngsters will never receive a penny they are penny for in their working lives simply because all the money has been given away by our caring governement.
come on british people stand up for yourselves before its to late , these politicians are out of control they need reminded it is we who pay for these acts of generousity not them . their kids still get a place in private education while i can't get my son into the local school due to lack of places
Absolute rubbish...and insane! Why is there a referendum on AV....the most important should we stay in the EU! But, we complain and nothing will come of it! We need a leader and government with a backbone!
Outrageous predictions from the past become terrifying reality in the present! There really are no words remaining which adequately describe what Blair, Brown and all the rest of those Socialist criminals have achieved in ending our culture! And you simply cannot exclude Milliband and BallÂ’s from this sickening and unstoppable end of what we were familiar with! What they have done to the very people who believed in the Socialist fable of improved social mobility and standards must rank as the sickest trick in political history! How stupid and fearful they must feel now as they witness the raw, terrible results of the treachery enacted whilst blinking in bewilderment at their own involvement through the ballot box! Brown's signature in Lisbon consigned those working class believers and the rest of us to a life that will be akin to the social terror of mid twentyÂ’s poverty, that irrefutably and traditionally results from a Labour term of office.
If I could get excactly the same benefits if I decided to go to an Eastern European country then I would have no grievance with this but that is not the case. Do this government think all the immigrants really want to come here to work hard. If they do they are not worth being in a position where every time they blow their noses it costs us British tax payer a fortune. These immigrants see a way of improving their lives without having to lift a finger and now they don't have to wait for 12 months there WILL be thousandsmore of them. How can this happen when I (and most of us British tax payers) have to have worked and paid contributions for 2 years before we can get even a few quid on JobSeekers. Vote UKIP (or BNP) and get this stopped NOW
A fit person should get no unemployment benefit. Instead they should work. We have plenty of cleaning work locally. A fat person, drug addict or alcoholic should not get incapacity benefit. An immigrant committing a crime that has a custodial sentance should be sent home and barred from returning, even if they are from an EU state. To do this latter we would have to repeal the Human Rights Act and also leave the EU. This is no big deal. We would have to turn round our bloated welfare system and this would be painful for a generation of benefits scroungers, but the bullet would have to be bitten one day and the longer we delay the greater will be the pain.
and to think i worked hard all my life only to subsidise people who have never worked a day of their life in this country. we have pension and child poverty yet this government are continuing to follow the lead of the last government in giving our money away to strangers whilst the countries debt continues to spiral out of control. when will these idiots who sit around a table in number 10 start putting the interests of their own citezens first.
we cannot afford to heal ourselves,police ourselves,educate ourselves, house ourselves and now we are going to have another influx of immigrants, when are politions going to learn that this will just creat friction in an already overcrowded country....there is only so many a life boat can hold before it capsizes??????
No to Europe yes to Britain, stop feeding the world Britain and look after and put your own house in order. £30 million - a new prison maybe, or maybe more police officers or nurses with secure jobs and safer streets
The flood gates are open.... come on Cammy, you PROMISED you'd stop this. You won't though will you, you're wayyyyy too weak and gutless. Indigenous British people FIRST Cammy. IF, and I stress IF, there should be any cash left over, then, and only then, we may be able to help others. As things stand at the moment, we must NOT give out more freebies to outsiders when our own people are so neglected, ill, poor, hungry, homeless etc. Shame on you Cammy, you are a VERY weak PM. You promised so much and delivered NOTHING except more grief to this country and it's people.
here we go brace yourslves, let the madness begin
This is sheer lunacy. I live in Bulgaria and in order to allowed to reside I had to sign to say that I could support myself and that I would'nt attempt to try and claim benefits off the state. If any of the ex pats here haven't got an income then they starve simple as that. So why oh why are we being so stuipd at giving benefits to all and sundry who will just come and milk the system. I still pay taxes in Britain and I resent my money going on daft things like this.
I see, and a pensioner, who contributed for 40 years to the system, will get in future 140 pounds a week. Shameful
There will also be the costs to our schools & NHS as no doubt they will turn up with their families in tow, Would their pensioners be entitled to claim the state pension ? & then the demand for rented homes will drive up rents, which will hit those on low wages ! Also as benefits are paid into bank accounts, how are these people getting bank accounts as there is no way a credit check can be carried out or does it mean that a British citizen who is refused a bank account as a result of credit checks that an Eastern European does not go through ! Would this not be discrimination against the British citizen YET AGAIN ?
The End Is Nigh , this is The Last Straw .
And how much is the state pension???
Someone should tell the Benefits Agency exactly what unemployment benefits entitlement criteria and rates are across the EU. They will be able to claim the three benefits immediately, as long as they can prove they meet their own countries’ requirements for unemployment benefit, are seeking to work, and are ‘habitually resident’ here. I think they will find that there is a minimum contribution criteria and that benefits are time limited. That is if the criteria is as the article states
Economically suicidal, an unsustainable policy which only lunatics would come up with.
I do think its time to stop this immigration now Mr Cameron, before there really is an uprising in this country, the people can only be pushed so far before they start fighting back and i think that the limit has been reached and probably surpassed. I for one have certainly had enough of all this.
oh wonderful - they can have £250 a week and yet thousands of sick and disabled people are being pushed on to £65 a week what jobs?? seekers allowance - in the name of cutting the deficit - people whom may i add HAVE paid taxes - HAVE contributed to the system - many during a lifetime of work - BUT have had the misfortune to become ill or disabled ( not ALL are career benefit scroungers despite what you are told by the press ) YET these people can stroll in here and claim when your own countrymen are being denied basic decency ?? subjected to unfair and in some cases corrupt medical assessment by firms who are being paid millions to victimize the sick and disabled at the governments behest - all to save money - for what ?? - to support any tom dick and harry from the EU that fancies a better life at OUR PEOPLES expense ?? high time we stopped supporting chancers from the rest of the world and put the money saved where it could do some good - like creating jobs
This will happen. No ifs or buts, people from Eastern European countries WILL come to the UK and take advantage of the system. As usual the UK government will not listen to the British public. The government will do nothing to help protect the country and vast areas of England will start to look like Eastern Europe. Sadly, the majority of British people will continue to complain about it, but likewise will do NOTHING. Fast forward to the year 2015 and I guarantee that you will be reading about how it happened here on DM. (Or perhaps the DM will be in the Polish language by then)
I damned well give up what am I paying taxes for , giving immigrants hundreds of pounds when this goverment is telling me and thousand of other workers that this country can't afford pay rises , seeing their wages frozen or being made redundant , drastic cuts to services with the excuse of having to cut our spending . foriegn countries and those coming into this country being treated better than our own citizens .Why are these immigrants being given this money ? who says that they are considered to be entitled to our money . I really despair.
I have said it many times vote UKIP and get out of this mess
AAARRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
So they think the cost of benefits will soar, what about the overload on the schools and NHS which are already overburdened and in serious trouble, where will they find social housing for these people? I guess we already know the answer to that one, UK people on the ladder will go to the back of the quue as usual.
At the right old age of 43 i was told i wasnt eligible to claim benefits even though i was born here and worked and paid tax all my life my only crime was working outside my beloved country for a few years.This is certainly a case of the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
how much more are we to give away is this why womens pensions are delayed are the english to keep the whole world the people here in POLAND think we ENGLISH are a big JOKE The pound is down to only 4:36 pln it used to be 6:5 the Joke is on the ENGISH tax payers
How much longer are politicians going to ignore the citizens of this country's call for a referendum on membership of the EU?
WHY......
Crazy UK. I am an OAP getting 124 per week for which I worked over 40 years. I feel guilty taking it as the UK is in such a mess yet I paid over 220 per month for my health and pension. Now I cannot have free health unless it is an emergency and my pension is frozen for life as I retired in Thailand. Again crazy UK. Here I have to have 16000 pounds in a Thai bank account to apply for my yearly retirement visa and report to immigration police every 90 days. I cannot buy land (that means even a house) in my name. I think Thailand is right and the UK very wrong. It is such a mess - God help Dave to sort out the mess that Brown left but this latest news looks like he can't or won't.
In which other Country would any immigrant just be able to turn up and start living off state handouts? I don't think there is one, The UK must be the laughing stock of the World.
what the hell is wrong with our political leaders ! the public want this unmitigated disarster of everyone busting through our borders grabbing the last few bob we have to the detriment and reducing the british standard of living without the nation having a say.the gvt must listen to its people and get the hell out of the eu,just tell them we are out! before theres big trouble,we are just about paying a poverty level of pension to our oaps and charging rip off tution fees of £9000 a year,which will be a mill stone around our youngs necks which will follow them into their graves,stop this treachery at once and consider our people and not your backpockets ! you hypocrites of the nations leaders , you must listen now and stop fiddling whilst rome burns
This is a joke, I could weep at this disgrace. Britain does not need this, who gave this the green light.
Living in Bulgaria I find this rather disturbing that the rules that applied to me whilst I lived in the UK are rather different for people who have replaced me. Out of work in the UK I was able to claim unemployment benefit after being made redundant of £56 per week. As my wife was working and I had a mortgage I was ineligible for housing benefit or any other hand out to help me survive whilst trying to find work. In Bulgaria it is rather different. It is impossible for an English man to get unemployment benefit. I know many British people who have moved here, bought a house and tried to find work. They have been unsuccessful and with benefits not available for Brits here, returned back to the UK, poorer and wiser. If you are Bulgarian or one of the few ethnics such as the Roma (gypsies) then a little cash is available, depending upon how many kids you have. You are also issued vouchers to help buy food. You also have to work one week in four for your Mayor, helping the community.
We are constantly being told that this country has no money. We are taxed to the hilt to supposedly pay our debts. (To whom by the way?) Money is no object though when it comes to illegal wars, overseas aid, MP's salaries & expenses. Now this! When are these multi-millionaire clowns ru(i)nning this country going to get their heads out of the clouds and realise that the UK is full & broke. Has any one of these idiots responsible for this, thought about where these people are going to live? The added strain on schools, hospitals, councils? How is this going to be funded? Thought not! Enough is enough! Time to get rid of the whole lib/lab/con & start again. PS: Looks like a good time to buy shares in the ferry companies.
This is a dreadful situation. They will be coming over here in their hundreds of thousands. Do you seriously think that other EU countries will be as bountiful ? NO of course not. Is Spain, Italy, Belgium etc etc going to pay this level of benefits. ? Not a chance - that is why they will be coming here.
Come one, come all... The UK is open for everyone, roll up, roll up, just sign on and enjoy the weather, the people and the free handouts... We're all loaded (apparently) so don't be shy, sign on now before we run out of money...
We are on a downwards spiral towards the total breakdown of civilized society in this country caused in the main by Britain's continued membership of the EU.
More lies from this government who promised an end to immigration. now they are making it easier for the dregs of Europe to sponge off the honest tax payer
There are billions being stolen by the banksters in our country and then there is corporation tax that multi-nationals barely pay. The benefits system is a drop in the ocean. However, as much as I don't support the EU, what can we do when we have a prime minister who openly lobbies for Turkey's membership into the EU? We can vote another party in - not Labour as they are in on it too. But the problem with the current system is these E.Euro countries don't have a welfare system in place like ours. So it is not uniform across the EU. This means the system is completely flawed. The only way it can work is if all EU countries have the same systems running in tandem where everything is the same. But that idea is totally against what I support.
Our benefit system has attracted the dregs of the world to our country and no government has done anything about it. I look around and see a multi cultural nightmare in a bancrupt country. Sure we have loads of foreign food outlets and hand car wash's but I don't see any real benefit from mass immigration.
Here comes yet another deluge of EU spongers expecting the hard working UK tax payer to give them a leg up. Listen to this. I PAY MY TAX's TO SUPPORT UK NATIONALS and some of those don't deserve a penny. Time this government called a halt to this stupidity, we don't owe anyone but ourselves.
"Britain faces a new influx of migrants who could claim benefits of up to £250 a week within weeks of arriving. From next Sunday, rules that ban Eastern Europeans from claiming unemployment, housing and council tax benefits until they have worked in the UK for 12 months are being lifted." We MUST get out of the EU now!
When I lost my job in the UK I went for five weeks looking for another one and never managed to get a penny in any state aid, even though it was my first time in over 30 years without a job....what was I doing wrong? We help everyone except our own.
Read this and weep to all those who believed Cameron would sort out immigration.There is only one party that everyone knows will stop this immigration madness and it starts with a B and ends in a P.The liblabcon will never stop immigration.They have never had any such intention.
Well, I suppose this is one way of scrapping the benefits system full stop! If the Government allow this to continue they know full well that the British people will call for it to stop. If it is to stop for EU immigrants then, in order for that to be legal, it must stop for all. If it stops for all, HUGE savings for the Government (what, you think they'd allow that to read huge savings for the tax payer???)
There was a time the UK attracted the best of the world, now its the lost drift wood, the scroungers, the professional criminals and the international terrorist. Of course this is painted over with a heavy vibrant coat of multiculturalism on top of an over priced undercoat of EU legislation that Gordy and his predecessors hurriedly signed away. If you have ever been away from the UK for any great length of time and returned then you will have notice the change in the social fabric of the country and it is startling and not in a good way.
Nice one UK the tax paying citizens have loads of money to give away,ha ha, the place is a joke and all are laughing except actual British people. When will someone have the balls to say "That's Enough" IT STOPS NOW.
as a pensioner, having worked for more than 43 years, you get around 100 per week, but as an immigrant from E Europe, you can claim up to 250 per week. makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it !!
Isnt it time that the european goverments took their heads out of the sand and did something constructive? the normal longworking citizen is often being told to tighten thier belts when the goverment need to make cuts in the budgets and increase taxes yet more and more are the goverments paying large sums to help those less fortunate that land on our shores.I dont see these benefits being given so freely to our pensioners that fought to give the present generation a chance in life that many of them never had. or to the handicapped .The goverments have no problems,they earn enough for their needs and can afford to pay for private care should it be needed at the taxpayers expense.what will happen when no one wants to work anymore because they haqve had enough of seeing their money being squandered? Lets go back to the old ways A days pay for a days honest work then maybe the country can be again proud.
As a pensioner I wish I could get £250 a week. I have worked since I was 16 until I was 70 and paid taxes all my life and still do. What a crazy country this has become!!! Roll on the big one, get me out of here!!!
DEAF EARS ............. DEAF EARS ................ DEAF EARS ................................... That's what all politicians seem to suffer from ... Enoch Powell's prediction of the 'Rivers Of Blood' is not that far away - and it's not the fault of the immigrants .... It's the politicians ....
Hmmmm treated the same way as British people....well they are wrong there.... We asked for things we get nothing.... Nice to know that all these immigrants can walk in and claim all this stuff.....can i claim anything to get the hell out of this country....NO Nothing Great about this country now.
£250 a week... that's more than someone working 40 hours a week on minimum wage... and that's before tax and NI kicks in... it pays to scrounge in United Kingdom. You get 40 hours of your life back too!
So our bills go up so immigrants can live off us. The Government needs to get a grip. Right now the BNP is looking very attractive to those of us who have never considered them in the past.
Disgusting - we would never be given the same comforts and benefits abroad so why do we have to tolerate this. It is totally deplorable
People would be wise not to lose sight of the fact that, despite some foreigner's claiming without having paid in to the system, the majority of Britain's welfare support bill is claimed by work-shy, feckless Brits. The idea behind the benefits system was to provide a helping hand, not to provide an alternative to work. If you want to smoke, drink alcohol, buy a new flat screen T.V, go on holiday, et cetera, get a job! I say it's high time we bought back food stamps
who is making these stupid decisions.just where do they think the money is coming from .only two options here .1 ,refuse to pay them this money or 2, GET OUT OF THE EU MADHOUSE.
I haved lived out of the country for 45 years can I come back and get my 250 pounds per week. By the way I still have my Geordie accent so maybe I should get 350.
I just can't understand why Europe wants to burry itself ...
Eva Katona, 22, is considering moving to Britain from the Hungarian capital, Budapest, to work as a nanny or carer. ‘The unemployment benefit in England is higher than a salary here and I have been told I can go on the dole as soon as I get there,’ she said. 'Dole' is the magic word. Get ready for thousands more to follow her. You, the taxpayers, get to support them and their broods.
And people are complaining about the cost of the royal wedding? At least it's a one time thing, this will be the gift that just keeps taking and taking, with nothing to show for it but more and more scroungers, overtaxed schools and hospitals, and more crime as they bring their savage habits with them
I think I shall emigrate to Poland. If £450 is a month's salary, no wonder the blighters want to come here to get something for nothing. Mind you, those that do work, work hard and decently in the most cases I know of. But the British economy is failing fast due to economic migrants coming to this country and sending money back home. So when are we going to end this fiasco of a very uneven playing field which sees us supporting that system? What about a cap on the money that can be sent out of this country by a foreign individual?
The British taxpayer must be the world`s biggest mug.
Ah what good news! Where will the new wave of immigrants live then, I thought we were full?
More problems for the uk,and what is Cameron doing about this , probably nothing.
Don't all you Tory voters feel you've been taken for prize mugs by Cameron & co? It's all turned out to be no different to when Labour were in. Tories take over from Labour takes over from Tories, etc. etc.. Proof that there is absolutely no difference between any of them, including the lying Liberals. They are all just as corrupt, all just as self-seeking as each other. Now, are you going to stop being a blockhead and at last vote for the REAL alternatives before it's too late?
I paid into the benefits system all my working life, yet because I now choose to live in Thailand I can't claim one and even my state pension is frozen but the country seems a free for all to just about anybody in the world. Something must be wrong somewhare!
The way our politicians have betrayed us makes me very angry. This is going too far. They have sold off all our utilities that wasn't theirs to sell in the first place, pocketing all the backhanders they could get. We are the most heavily taxed of all Western countries, and we have to pay more than any other country for fuel, gas and council tax. So now any assylum seeker can walk in and take whatever they wan't. These politicians have lied to us and tied us up in this disgusting EU Human Rights Law thats left us with no rights and no law and order. I am in old age and have fought for my country, but I will always support the British people in their fight against these corrupt politicians who have sold us to the devil.
As usual, the people who will complain the loudest will the people who are currently the biggest parasites on the treasury. People who are fat with council houses, dole, tax-credits, bad-back-and-depression benefits, council-tax benefits, and all the other scrounger handouts. They are the LAST people who should open their mouths and complain about benefits.
A doleful expat I heard cry, Britain, I hardly knew ye.
250 pounds a week !!!!!!!, Absolutely obscene, and disgusting when you consider our own pensioners who have suffer hardships especially during the winter months, after a life time of contributions. Where are the priorities, of this government , obviously not with the British people. I hope everyone remembers this article come the May elections, my own personal choice UKIP, '' HAD ENOUGH, GET US OUT OF THIS NEST OF VIPERS, CALLED THE EU !!!!!!!!!!!!
All welcome in UK the only stupid country in Europe to give away money to all who ask for it.
The queues around the block at benefit offices this summer, especially at the offices around our coast lines will be longer than those that queue to see pop concerts.
Another reason to leave the EU NOW!
So, a BRITISH old age pensioner who has lived and worked in the UK all their life gets a pension of about £125 per week and an IMMIGRANT from eastern europe can claim £250 per week benefits. What is our useless government doing and why did we ever join the EU????
So much for the welfare clampdown. Some poor pensioner will probably have his/her benefits cut to pay for it. Thanks god i'm out of that place.
Unwanted and unwelcome, the sooner we get a party that represents the will of the people rather than the rest of the world the better.
At least they'll be registered and out in the open, unlike the illegals in the USA. Sorry if you're a taxpayer. Just tighten the belt and stiffen that upper lip.
A few years down the line we will read ' An extra 2 million migrants flood into Britain because of the Governments inability to control migrants from Eastern Europe' and hospitals, education and all the other sevices are stretched to breaking point. Well done LIB/LAB/CON you all have put the final nail in the coffin of this country. Everyone has a chance in May to send a clear message to our so called leaders that we no longer trust them vote for any party or independent in the local elections but not the main stream parties, after all the three main parties have had 66 years from the 2nd WW to make this country great again but have failed, and will continue to fail, so vote against them!!!!
This has to stop. We cannot afford it. Plus why would they get such a large amount?? Cameron needs to stop this before it starts. These people are going to bleed us dry.
Ha ha if they were benefit tourists this is the last place they would come to. They come here to take the jobs of the British and put them on benefits.
That's good isn't it, while pensioners struggle on the pittance they get after paying in for many years, migrants could claim benefits of up to £250 a week.
This ruling has NOTHING to do with the laws of the UK. It has EVERYTHING to do with yet more crazy EU laws. It beggars belief WHY Great Britain continues to have 650 bloated parasites loitering with intent in the House of Conmen, costing umpteen millions of pounds every year, when, in reality, all MPs are doing is rubber-stamping laws handed down by Brussels. Absolutely scandalous.
Time to get out of the EU before we go bankrupt.
They should never be allowed in until they can show they have enough money to live off; Stop state pay outs to none British until they have payed UK tax for 5 years or more; Our country is supposed to be broke; Why do our politicians allow this to go on?????
All the talking by the politicians is blah blah blah. Close the borders and save what little we do have and that most of us pay for through our tax !
Stop this madness now unilaterally suspend the agreement based on the simple and true fact we can,t afford it and more importantly do not support the entry of economic migrants who already have a job with pay or benefits however small in their own countries. If this Government want to prevent anarchy now then stop this total nonsense.
I really do not think 250 per week in this day and age is sufficient for these people to be able to have a reasonable standard of living, it should be increased to 400. This figure will attract more and more people to come to Britain and if enough come the Country will go broke quite quickly and when the money runs out they will return to their native Countries then maybe the Country will come to its senses, but by then it will be too late if it is not already.
Here we go again. Why don't we just give everyone benefits and not go to work at all. That would be a good idea. What is this government doing this for. We are the laughing stock of the world now and this is the cause of it. People just come here to get benefits and free housing.
One of the reasons we left the UK was because we resented being mugged of our income to hand to the scum of the earth. There are no benefits here or translation services, but we keep most of what we earn. It is ours to enjoy. We run business and work hard with very little government interference. Small business is being destroyed with all the idiotic regulations in force in England. I believe it is becoming impossible to do honest business without going broke back there.
Stick a fork in the UK - it's done.
I am British. I am also currently unemployed and semi-disabled. And I can't claim a penny. Something wrong here!
" Britain faces a new influx of migrants who could claim benefits of up to £250 a week within weeks of arriving. From next Sunday, rules that ban Eastern Europeans from claiming unemployment, housing and council tax benefits until they have worked in the UK for 12 months are being lifted. " This is wrong. Those people aren't here to claim benefits - they are here to take jobs from UK citizens and pay into the system - and that's all.
Now every Country in the EU will pay their scum to come to the UK. The Bus Co's will have a field day. Time to leave the EU and put the fences up.... We have 2 mill of our own scum on the dole, we don't need any more
he Home Office said it did not know how many migrants would be attracted to Britain by the benefits rules changes.----- That's pure bs. If a shop shouts out "free stuff inside everything must go" you can sure as hell bet that everybody within ear shot will rush like crazy in order to get something for nothing. It's the same as what the government has done. They have announced to the entire of Europe "Come to the UK, you can now claim benefits easier, faster, and more simpler than before" What do you expect would happen? People ignore this no of course not people are going to come here and abuse the system more than it already is in order to get what is literally free money for nothing. I really do wish the UKIP or even the BNP would win the election they'd put the Country back to the way it was before the sellouts Blair, Brown, Cameron, and Clegg gained power.
What a joke. If you ever wanted more evidence that the collapse of the system is intentional. HERE IT IS.
Somebody please tell me, as a UK taxpayer can I move to any European country and claim any benefits whatsoever? Also, will my efforts to make a claim be translated into English to ensure I am getting my full entitlement?? ........Didn't think so!!
Great .... in they'll flock.... and people who need extra help like my pensioner mother do not get it! If I had the money I would leave the UK tomorrow and take my family with me, and never look back.
Sheer madness! Get out of the EU as fast as you can and start cleaning up the financial mess being foisted on British citizens.
Now every Country in the EU will pay their scum to come to the UK. The Bus Co's will have a field day. Time to leave the EU and put the fences up.... We have 2 mill of our own on the dole, we don't need any more
The only "freedom of movement" in Europe that I say is everyone moving to the UK to freeload. What about all the other EU countries benefits having parity with the UK and why is this travisty continuing to be allowed?! I feel sorry for every UK taxpayer that has to fund this stupidity.
David Cameron pre Election - "The people will get a referendum on whether they want to stay in the European Union". David Cameron post Election - "I actually think we're better off in the EU". The conservative party may be better off but what this and previous governments have done to the sovereignty of this country and it's people is sacrilege. God Save the Queen?
While the infighting over AV continues the peoples referendum on the EU is nowhere to be seen, as far as i'm concerned, a plague on both the tories and lib dem houses until we get our rightful regerendum.
Could we have some happy news for a change instead of learning, yet again, that the hard earned heavily taxed money the Treasury takes off us will be going to half of Eastern Europe when they come flooding in. As if we aren't stretched enough with the rest of the world residing in UK Unlimited we will have even more people exhausing our already overstretched NHS, transport, schools etc. The majority won't speak English and any children they have will drain further resources in already cash strapped schools. The Eastern Europeans will be able to send money home (not spending it in the UK economy) and provide a very nice nest egg when they eventually feel they have fleeced us enough. Don't look for your MP to stand up in the House of Commons as nothing will be done by the ineffectual, weak willed, cowardly excuse for a Government we have at present. (PS Labour were even worse!!!!)
Ha strict test DWP? You mean like the current ones where the system is being milked and it's out of control. Nice one you had me going for a secon there!
How many will it be this time around - another 800,000 East Europeans perhaps? If you don't like this idea. Tough..you should have voted UKIP. Remember the old saying - a fool and his money are soon parted.
My blood is seriously boiling and this can no longer be tolerated by the British people, this is just too much. I am voting for the BNP and will support them all the way because I'd rather have them then have tax payer's money constantly being wasted because this is never going to stop without radical change to undo everything LIEbour did to ruin this country.
David Cameron pre Election - "The people will get a referendum on whether they want to stay in the European Union". David Cameron post Election - "I actually think we're better off in the EU". The conservative party may be better off but what this and previous governments have done to the sovereignty of this country and it's people is sacrilege. God Save the Queen?
This is an insult to the tax paying people of this country. It shows what this spineless coalition Government ,and previous Governments thinks of it's population. I just wish for once they would put the people of this country first.They keep telling us we have to pay more and more,pensioners have to work longer before they can draw their pensions.Pensioners can't afford to heat their homes in winter,let alone eat.I bet they'd love to be given £250. a week.These immigrants have never paid a penny into the system, yet they are better off living here, than many of the indigenous population that have paid in all their working lives. Why has the ban been lifted? There's not enough work as it is,why do we need these people here,living off us like parasites. Get your act together Cameron, and grow a pair.Stop all immigration now.
Whens it going to end ?
Well come on Camoron........What are you going to to about this then? The floodgates for the leeches are still open. When are you going to close them? When all the bloods dried up?
Civil War is looming, and the thick Politicians don't see it. Things can not carry on like this.
I why not, as long as they stay in London who cares. Labour failed Lib Dems are away with the fairies. And now Tories are learning to kow tow to Euroland whims too. Effectively all three have destroyed Britain and urinated on England. So I suspect we will have to start learning Polish or another slavic language from now on.
I really am at a loss for words, unbelievable.
Why? Why?Why?Why?Why?Why?Why?Why?Why?
Somebody please shoot me! This country is finished!
The unemployment benefit in England is higher than a salary here and I have been told I can go on the dole as soon as I get there,Â’ she said.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who,s crazy idea is this, Mr Camaron you'ld better do something about this or the Tories will be gone the next election.
How stupid. Firstly the first law of having to work for 12 months was stupid how can you pay in enough in taxes to then warrant taking potentially thousands in pay outs. AND now were going to allow someone to turn up no job in place and give them money for doing nothing it's not even like a lot of these Eastern European countries have a lot of poverty and we pay enough into the EU who then hand it over to these Eastern European governments.
More madness courtesy of the EU. I wonder what's going to happen...erm....More riff-raff, more of my taxes going squandered, more ill-will and unrest. Sometimes, I hope the Maya have got it right about next year, because living in Britain has become so depressing. There's absolutely no sense that the people in charge know what they're doing or that they have our interests at heart. You couldn't make it up.
We pensioners who have paid into our tax system for 40 to 60 years want who ever sanctioned this to be fired immediately. We get £100.00 per week yet my country is giving someone who should not even be in our country £250 a week. Roll on the next election when 12-13 million voters on State pension vote for UKIP. This lot are as bad as the last lot. We want them all out NOW.
What.....?!!!!!! Surely, they cannot be serious...!!! What the is going on in this country?
This handout only attracts drunks and criminals. Looks like the morons who drove Liebors brainless policies are alive and well.
I'm a 68 year old pensioner, born and bred here. Do you think I could have that, too?
When will this madness end? Why should UK taxpayers have to fund this rubbish when our people are suffering and struggling from cuts and job losses? There's always enough money to fund immigrants and all the services they require though. Expect a deluge of claimants with multiple children. Only requirement is to form an orderly queue.
My sister has worked all her life in the UK and paid into the system and as a pensioner she gets a lot less than these economic mirgants. England is a gravy train for those who have not paid into the system. How much longer must the true English person suffer these insults. Nobody from any country should get any benefits until they have paid into the system continuously for at least three to five years. It is an insult to those who have worked hard all of their lives in the UK.
Simple answer being,if you cannot afford to move,stay at home,even a person on a tourist visa has to show his/her financial situation
We Realy need to get out of the EU. We can't afford to look after our own,let alone belonging to this all consuming club that only benefits the MEP's.and foreigners. Audit the books and show us what the EU does for us,where the money goes, and why we should stay,then perhaps the British people may feel differently about it. We need to free ourselves of these shackles that bleed us dry and restrict our freedom.
Imagine, if Cameron had his way and Turkey got in the EU! We need out of that spendthrift cartel of corruption and sponging and stand on our own feet.
Can I come home to live near my family ? I have worked as an expat for 33 years - I reside overseas because I couldnt find work in the UK - I was only receiving 42 gb pounds per week as unemployment money - My rent was 150 gb pounds per week - what could I do? Had to go back overseas or live on the streets - I had no savings - We had joint accounts - I worked in the deserts of Libya and one never knew what might happen - My ex emptied the bank accounts before I came home and took the car that I bought but was in her name. I got none of the money that had been in the Bank nor any of the insurance money for the car which my wife took and was apparantley stolen.S much for the UK legal system. I survived when I returned home because my son lent me money and the company I worked for paid me 3 months salary whilst they waited for my return- I didnt receive the summons to appear in court until February - I came home in December for Christmas -- I am 63 yrs can I come home & get this money
This really is the final straw, watch as unemployment soars past 3 million and the BBC make out its all due to George Osbourne when infact its all due to the hated EU.
I'm Polish and I will tell you that reading articles like that makes me embarrassed to call myself a Pole. Pack them up and ship them home - their rightful home. The fact that they can come to a strange country, not work and claim your money is beyond belief for me. D:
I,m just speechless, This is just another exampled of us, the taxpayers being sold down the river by the anti British/political elite !
Im British Im 57 cant work coz of Arthritus and all I get is £65 a week . How come these immigrants can get so much when Britons get a pittance ?
When are we as a nation going to stand up and shout in a VERY loud voice that we have had ENOUGH of this farce we call the EU and it's stupid rules that cost US the British taxpayer a fortune ?
What the hell is wrong with you Cameron. Get a grip for christ sake man. That's my money you're giving away, whilst you're telling the likes of me who have paid into everything for years we will now have to wait another 10 years before we can retire and get any of what we've paid in back while this lot pay NOTHING and take it all. YOU KEEP TELLING US WE HAVE NO MONEY. This is a flaming joke. I think it's quite clear how angry I am. Idiots, the lot of them.
What I don't understand is in this EUROPEAN UNION, why is this the only country that gives out these benefits to the foreigners arriving,isnt the point of the union that all countries have the same laws ? Labour did nothing about it,in fact encouraged mass immigration, this rubbish coalition is doing nothing, how can the law have been made that 7 years after joining EU these immigrants can claim full benefits here but not in other EU countries? anyone got an answer.
you have got to be joking!!! I wish someone would tell me what the actual benefits to being in the EU are and why we are not coming out of it. We might just as well let the whole world live here as they can do so for free! And our benefits are obviously going to be more than some countries working wage, no wonder they are here and now even more are going to come. It's great, come and use our Welfare system, our NHS system and pay nothing, we've paid all our life and we still get nothing. And as for the DWP stating their will be strict tests in order for migrants to claim benefit, yeah right!
And what are these strict tests ? what a load of rubbish, we are being taken for fools, paying the rest of the wold to come here, free of charge, pensioners get the strict tests, and the current ones will not get the rise when it comes in, this country stinks, I really can't wait to get out, this unfairness is too stressful.
Didn't one of the terminals some 30 years ago have a benefit office for any immigrants from Pakistan and India? This has to be the best yet, these migrants have been benefit tourists since the 70's and anyone noticed they are MEN.................. stupid, stupid Governments and Government departments, led by fools, idiots and imbociles. The public have known this is for years, but we were called racists.
Stop this madness
2.6 millions foreign workers is not a lot when you compare it to the 10.5 million British who work in the rest of the world. Send the foreign workers back to their countries and you will have to find a way to feed more than 10 millions British who will be sent back to Britain as a retaliation.
all these people claiming incapacity benefits that can work, heres their answer to no jobs, send the imigrants home, 2.5 million jobs available
The readership of this publication is very quick to put down foreign workers. If it's not foreign workers, it's lazy Brits who cannot be bothered to get off the couch and go to work. Quite a contradiction really. Those on benefits, or foreign workers? Who is at fault today righteous ones? To me this article makes it sound like all of those lazy people you were having a dig at previously can now be bothered to start looking for a job. Also, a lot of you mention leaving the UK and moving abroad, “because the UK is overrun with foreigners”! That really is hilarious. The irony is that the citizens of other countries are more open-minded, less bigoted and contradictory than the UK population. Foreign countries are also very welcoming to people who are migrating and paying their taxes and income to their country. If you don't like foreigners, I’d advise you not to move abroad, it may scare you - there are lots of foreign people there!
If all the so called unemployed where not given so much money for doing nothing and made to work there would be no jobs for overseas workers, and anyone paying cash inhand are fined heaverly. if they were working on the books it would create thousands of jobs, and save the country millions.
Nick, Leiden, Holland. I live near Gatwick and that empty green verdant countryside you talk of is FARMLAND! Would you have us pave over that too and import all our food and make our native wildlife extinct?!
The reason the south-east is full,is because that's where Labour wanted the immigrants, not in their own back yards.
Oh what a surprise that the comments on this article are moderated! it's such i shame that we can't get to read peoples true feelings on this touchy subject. - Silent Stuart, Leeds,Britain, 19/10/2010 11:16 Polish people are returning to Britain because they get free child benefits,housing and jobs so remember that when this Government takes yours away. We are still being made by the EU to hand out money and housing to immigrants so remember that when you are on the council house waiting list. They are taking our jobs because they will take a much lower wage and this is what the boss who sacks you wants! If you are self employed Immigrants will undercut you to get the job so remember that when you are forced to sign on! The Labour policy of having a multicultural Britain is still in force even though the last and this Government knows it will never work as it only serves to divide a Country.
The key word here is 'workers', we can't blame people coming here to work when we allow our own indigenous layabouts do nothing for the equivalent wage of a chartered accountant. - Dan H, Woking, 19/10/2010 8:55 Blimey Dan £65 a week surprised you can find one. Typical of tarring all unemployed individuals with the layabout brush. The bottom line is Dan even a minimum wage job is hard to find and despite numerous applications (I'm 48 and ex BT Manager and a skilled IT worker) I struggle to even get a reply. I want to work, I am willing to take a min wage job all I ask for is a chance someone PLEASE EMPLOY ME.
Ministers are demanding a cap on migration. The british govt are bound by EU laws and are powerless to curb this migration. To give an impression that they are trying to reduce the numbers they are demanding a cap on Non-Eu workers a large portion of whom are highly skilled workforce unlike most of the EU migrants. These highly skilled people in most cases fill vacancies which are vacant because Britain does not have suffecient highly skilled people to fill these vacancies. The truth is EU workers are taking majority of the british jobs and the govt is barking up the wrong tree.
These people travel halfway around the globe to work their backsides off, and all modern Britain can do is moan about them from the collective national sofa. Still, I suppose it beats drinking beer and watching x-factor...
I haven't noticed them going away or leaving at all. I have instead noticed the marked increase in young families coming here from eastern europe. This I find more concerning than young single workers coming here as having dependants put strain on our services & infrastructure i.e schools, nhs & benefits system. I would rather we had one immigration system for all, so that we can have those with the skills we need, rather than having ulimited unskilled workers coming from the EU. The only way we can get the long term UK unemployed back to work is by having the jobs available. By keep allowing migrants to come here, is stopping us from achieving this. Also as younger generation migrants leave school/colleges they can also come here to compete for jobs alongside our own unemployed graduates/school leavers. This is unsustainable in the long term.
Why are we importing immigrants to undercut British wages. Britain is an expensive country to live in unless you are living 20 to a house. Immigrants are working cheap while the big anti-British businesses are making money at the British workers expense. We must get out of the EU.
Economics, I can get a hard working, motivated and skilled polish builder to do a better job and for half the price. Your average Brit builder cannot be bothered to turn up for quotes etc and if they do they want a load of cash to do basic work. - Luke, London, Why don't you go back to you little office job instead of coming out with utter rubbish about an industry you clearly know nothing about. - As Is, England, 19/10/2010 9:22 ------------ My husband has contacted loads of builders in the area (all from the UK) to do some work at home; most of them have not turned up or have cancelled many times, others could not be bothered to send a quote or took weeks to do it, and those who did tried to charge over £10K to do the work. Or builders around here have too much work or they just can't be bothered at all....
I read in the DM a short while ago that a Polish worker earns the same in one month here as he does in six months back home......
Welcome to the New World Order you haven't seen nothing yet David Cameron and his fake Tory party will carry on the same immigration policy as his heir Tony Blair that is a Open Door one to anyone from anywhere. There will be just as many immigrants as there has been 100,000s from outside the so called EU will still come, this is how you destroy a country by within flood it with immigrants. There is now no one left to vote for all politicians from all parties are Traitors/Quislings/Fifth Columnists and will never put the British people first or this country, people have yet to awaken to this fact or will refuse to believe it "thats it everybody Goodbye Britian Goodbye England" over 90% of all immigrants land and stay in England its a English problem and no one will do anything about it. Look what the LibDems have just done tore up every policy they made what liars they all turned out to be and the Tories wake up everybody your vote isn't worth the paper you put your cross on.
"How is it that these people can find jobs as "unskilled" workers when millions of "unskilled" layabouts in UK are unemployed & allowed to be!" Well I will explain ,most of the British workers are bing paid off so they can employ foreign workers at a cheaper rate .These people have not paid anything into this country and are claiming money for their children and housing . Looking at a lot of the comments on here is looks like a lot of retired people comment on a job market they know nothing about
We could solve all our problems in one go by getting out of the EU now and not giving one more penny never mind the billions we give at the moment.
Here in Brighton, vast numbers of these jobless, often very young, EU foreigners spend their time hanging around the streets smoking, lounging around in coffee bars and even worse, sitting around the seafront getting drunk on cheapo supermarket booze - roger, brighton, 19/10/2010 09:40 I wouldn't agree ..Here in Brighton ,the majority of people walking around the shops in a middle of the day are overweight ,laud,foul mouthed,gold wearing mothers of 5 ( by 5 fathers) never worked never wish to ,not bothered ...shouting to a (probably Eastern European) girl cleaning floor in MacDonald - Oi! you make me shoes wet ,them were 80 pound! we are dealing with years of wrong very bad benefits culture .And foreigners to blame ? Don't give the jobs to the foreigners.simples
"Why do you think someone who doesn't speak the native language very well was an advantage over someone who does? it's hard-working immigrants that are keeping this country anywhere near competitive. - mark, gateshead, 19/10/2010 11:00" Wrong - hard working immigrants put hard working Brits on the dole so increasing taxation to pay the benefits bill so making us non-competitive. Why? because there are a limited and reducing number of jobs available in this country as companies export jobs because the cost of employment in the UK is too high. But note immigrants work for the same wages as Brits would do in those jobs that are properly advertised. Immigrants are "preferred" because that was NuLiebour's policy (continuing under ConDemn) as part of selling out to the EU.
Don't be so quick to blame Eastern European workers for taking British jobs. British kids are often simply too lazy. Decent, hard working Poles, Lithuanians and so on are flogging their guts out in our service industries while British kids are on their backsides at home watching East Enders omnibus or living out their fantasies on mind-rotting computer games - I profoundly wish it were not the case, but this is exactly what's happening...
"Only 7 years ago, in the summer of 2003, before the admission of 8 Eastern European countries to the EU, there were 1.39million foreign nationals in jobs..." Please check your facts. With the best will in the world, I can't see how you arrived at a figure of "eight Eastern European countries". The Czech Republic, for example, is proudly Central European. And this is far from being just a question of semantics: clearly, correctly labelling EU member states would detract from the blunt, Cold War-style message that somehow, those from the West are welcome, whereas those to the geographic 'East' of the former Communist border are a curse. What of the thousands of Brits who live and work in Central/Eastern Europe, taking advantage of the low living costs and high wages afforded to English speakers? We are guilty of the same opportunism. Yet I like to think that my British colleagues and I are performing a useful service in our host countries. I'm sure many "Easterners" feel the same.
I worked at a warehouse in Glasgow (relatively high unemployment at parts). I worked with many Poles in that job at night/morning and they were great, friendly enough and hard working. We could not get local workers, full stop. The money was above average and more on days but easier not to bother. Who wants to be a cleaner when they wanted something easy? The problems we had were students blitzed on Sunday mornings and late as well as well as it being too difficult to get to at night (no buses door to door) meaning you'd do what the Poles did- walk, cycle or share a car. I have no problems with immigrants coming here to work- only those who sit and scrounge. Dare I say it some Poles spoke better English than some of the locals! If you gave me the choice I'd deport our scroungers and replace them with Poles.
Interesting, no mention of the million plus Brits that work in mainland Europe. And equating the 'foreigners' with the unemployed number is just silly - the 'foreginers' will do a full days work for whatever money, hence why they have a job.
Whoa whoa Mr Cameron with the defence cuts, just take a look at the headlines in the daily mail. you can save billions by sending all the foreign workers and immigrants home. there will be plenty jobs, and money saved to make our country safe.
Paul - Lincolnshire is 'empty' because it has fields and fields of vegetables and sugarbeat. It is not actually empty at all. On another aspect: what on earth is the point of foreigners taking all the jobs in Lincolnshire etc. while Brits sit on their bottoms being kept, and not paying taxes. The foreigners won't be paying taxes either as their rates of pay are so abysmal, and will be sending home what little they earn. The whole system is ridiculous.
The statement that the British workers wont take some of these jobs because of the low pay is quite true, but to keep a house, family and a car going on £3.50 per hour is not possible, so it is not the fault of the British workers, it is the fault of this government not to make sure that wage's are high enough to live by?
Went out this morning............came back with very wet feet.........think the country is finally sinking with this great mass descending on the UK.
Looks like a great fuel for the BNPs fire.
All immigrants do is keep wages low and rents high!All those leftys on here who bleat "we need these foreign workers here to keep food prices low and to do the jobs that British people wont do!" You condone the exploitation of non unionised workers who are ignorant of their rights ,such as training,holidays ,safety & union rights .Great socialist thinking!.What rubbish! It`s pure greed !Greed by factory owners and farmers .You`ve been conned.Socialists are so gullible! Its merely to make vast profits not to keep food prices low! If this is the case why do food prices keep going up and food is the most expensive its ever been?If British people did the job for higher wages there would be absolutely no difference.The higher prices would be affordable. Yet now we have to pay the dole money and benefits of 2.4million British workers who cant find work because of foreign workers!Great forward thinking!No wonder were in a double dip recession! Pure greed thats what it is!
All the eastern Europeans I have met are polite, hard-working and smart.....so I've not problem with them.... - sk, bath, 19/10/2010 11:20 Those giving you all reds should go and see a head doctor. How can you "not like" a comment, that says someone is polite ? You are losing it people....
Listen!!!!! Dont you worry about us Polish People,We ll leave one day and you gonna stay here with your "real" friends from...pakistan,bangladesh,india and half of africa! hahahahaha I am sure they are going to work for you not claiming benefits for their...6 kids! Good Luck hahahahah
As an employer I ask:- do I employ a hard working, educated, polite foreigner or a lazy, rude local who thinks he knows everything and expects more money than he's worth?
The EU free movement directive at work. The only way out is to leave the EU, and then only if we scrap the Human Rights act that stops us returning immigrants if they may be less well treated than here, which is most of the world.
Well, it looks like there ARE jobs after all. Come on you feckless benefit scroungers.... there are no excuses not to find work !!!
Despite all that is said about immigrants, thank goodness the Poles are back. Any chance of exchanging them with our benefit -scroungers. We can put them in the back of trucks. Nobody would check going the other way!
Foreigners hire foreigners - I have seen hundreds of examples of this. Also, many employment agencies are now staffed by foreign workers who get jobs for the overseas workers and do not give Brits a chance. The idea that all British people will not take jobs is just a joke - many great high paying white collar jobs are also going to non-British workers (like many posts in the City) and no, that's not because the foreign workers are better and people wouldn't kill to work there. They include 'soft skilled' jobs - someone should do a proper review. - Eds, Cambridge, 19/10/2010 10:16 As per my post earlier, I have got 50% of Brits never turning up for interviews, and dropping out of work after finding out they will not be bank managers being barely able to read and write in their own language, numeracy on a level of an average 8 year old Eastern European, not to mention punctuality, going extra mile and being committed( things you might have heard about in American films).
If this government really are serious about getting people off benefits and changing the whole benfefit culture that has made this country so unfair against the average working family they must get a grip on all forms of immigration immediately. All work should be filled by UK citizens wherever possible. Also any benefits recipient should be made to repay the taxpayers by doing some type of community work. This is the only way forward from here but until these immigration measures are put into place nothing will change.
"How is it that these people can find jobs as "unskilled" workers when millions of "unskilled" layabouts in UK are unemployed & allowed to be!? - David Learmonth" Because these jobs are filled through agencies who advertise overseas for them. And no-one in the UK will take responsibility for training and using our own potential workforce because this would mean standing up to the EU.
Another day another "layabout, lazy, benefit scrounger" response to those unfortunate enough to be temporarily out of work like myself. I want to work I will pick spuds, wipe bum's anything all I ask is for a chance and min wage. But I can't as all jobs here in Thanet be it on farms, care homes, factories or our the countries biggest greenhouse Thanet Earth are taken by East Europeans. These jobs are never even advertised. Employment in this country is a joke and worse if your unemployed and want to work.
SAD ,but it's TRUE -Great Britain it's not any more that Great.
Oh what a surprise that the comments on this article are moderated! it's such i shame that we can't get to read peoples true feelings on this touchy subject. - Silent Stuart, Leeds,Britain, 19/10/2010 11:16 So you are saying the true feeling is not the racist bile that is spouted on here?
"You should see the Poles in Stratford Upon Avon every day, hanging around in gangs. I thought they were supposed to be working? We are being lied to and suppressed. Those of you unbelievers need to see a optician." - Yampi, Warwick, 19/10/2010 11 ...and it's not like you never see gangs of English people hanging around and causing trouble, is it!!
Val D. Telford, Oh! how I agree with your comments, almost as mine are in a previous posting. Every available piece of land in this area is gobbled up by developers, a small pub was knocked down and it was breathtaking how much building went on in this place, mostly apartments, some of these are proving to be a waste of time, they are so horrible to look at, most resemble public toilets and nobody wants to move into them, but we have been swampeed by relentless building work and, like you, are seeing the demise of any kind of green belt remaining.
"All the eastern Europeans I have met are polite, hard-working and smart.....so I've not problem with them.... - sk, bath, 19/10/2010 11:20" Lucky you. Many come here who cannot speak English, are rude (maybe as a result of the former) and are criminals.
sad but it's true-Great Britain it's not any more that Great
This again shows why the EU is bad for this country, allowing workers who contribute nothing to this economy undercut british workers causing us to pay for their upkeep and forceing wages to lower levels so the bosses of the big companies can pay themselves massive bonuses that they don't pay tax on as they claim they live abroad. If we were out of the EU we would be out of this financial mess, simply by decreasing benefit payments, eliminating EU payments and increasing tax revenue from British workers doing British jobs, no more cuts to the defence budget, lowered NHS and Schooling bills and more houses available to british people.
Cris, London I totally agree with you, Eastern Europeans are very polite and hard working, the Eastern European women have pride, self respect and style, you do not see them behaving like English girls on a Friday and Saturday night, drunk and very un ladylike. Many of the comments on here are racist, do English people not work abroad, do English people not buy houses abroad hiking up the property prices for the native people. Many English people would be a lot nicer if they just live and let live. Dont forget we fought hitler in the second world war because he was racist.
As much as Liebour were the main reason this has happened do not forget that David Cameron is now the Prime Minister. He is repeatedly blaming Labour but how about doing something about it now you're in power?
Absolutely Bloody Disgusting! The Govt and Businesses of Britain should be hanging their heads in shame this is a national outrage!
The simple fact is that too many Brits won't take the hard jobs because they think the world owes them a living - which in many benefit cases (not all) it's been made a better and more profitable option. I have struggled to meet any Eastern Europeans who aren't hard working, but to meet a lazy Brit isn't quite so hard. Sadly, too often an old fashioned work ethic has gone.
I'm still struggling to understand how this can be good in anyway. We are paying more unemployment to British workers and borrowing money that goes to foreigners who then take it and send it back to their own countries? Like global warming the EU is nothing more than a means of redistributing OUR wealth to others who do not have the work ethic to build their own.
How about a system where we pay the same benefits to any immigrants that they would get if they were in their own country, and vice versa to any UK citizens that go abroad. That way its either work or get next to nothing! Also, finger print or iris scan all immigrants, which gets checked every time they go to sign on, so they can not claim benefits if they are not entitled to it, all too often they work as Joe Bloggs and claim benefits as Billy Bloggs, enabling them to work for less while claiming benefits, and i have seen this with my own eyes. They live in nicely furnished council houses with all the mod cons cause they are cheating the system and getting away with it. And when you report them nothing gets done and the reporter gets classed as racist!
What a load of nonsense!! It's about time the urban myth of " foreigners only take jobs the British don't want" was put to rest. I run a small business where ever week we have numerous callers from Africa and Eastern Europe looking for work and without fail we hear the same thing " I'll work for less than your workers!" To many greedy business owners they'll happily take them on (and I know of several cases where business people have got rid of their own workers and brought in the cheaper workers. Disgraceful!! I won't! I have a business that cares for the elderly and I want them to be in a happy environment where they understand those around them and can see to their needs. This country needs a good kick up it's backside. Mass immigration isn't positive; it's damaging all areas of our lifes!!
I wonder if they ever closed the tax loophole where if a foreign worker isn't 'permanently residing' in the UK they do not pay tax here, but supposedly in their country of residence. Working here, pocketing the lot and 'holiday' back home several times a year to maintain their status. 2.4million... would someone like to spill the beans properly about this?
East European workers -- for the most part enthusiastic, hard-working and without a chip on their shoulder -- can get jobs because British-born workers, including British-born minorities such as Muslims -- are too lazy, or lack the basic social skills, or have chips on their shoulders about what work is good enough for their status, or receive little if any support, or get too much tax-payer-funded support. Solution? Ban ALL handouts and create a bank of paid community and other jobs for those unable to find work themselves. At least our unemployed (those claiming benefits) would have to work for their tax-funded benefits and would get into a routine of regular employment.
Excellent news. Eastern Europeans are by far the friendliest, most professional and most reasonably-priced traders on our island. Bring more of them here and send all the rogue trading white van driving poorly mannered Brits away somewhere else. Sound a bit crazy? Right, well then we need to work together, not against one another.
All the eastern Europeans I have met are polite, hard-working and smart.....so I've not problem with them.... - sk, bath, 19/10/2010 11:20 That isn't the point. I see a lot of Poles etc in the City (pubs, coffee bars, whatever). Are they nice people? Yes. Do they work hard? Yes. Do I like them as individuals? Yes. Do they contribute more than many other immigrants? Yes. Do I want so many of them here? No. It's not about individuals, it's not about racism, it's about the impact of the badly thought out and unpopular policy of MASS immigration.
We have nothing to worry, now our government is tough....or to be more exact our government talks tough and does nothing.
New World Order (again)
What did you turkeys expect when you voted for the pro-EU ConDems?
To all those who say "Good, bring them in, our lazy, yobbish lot won't do the jobe" etc, should think how they would like to work a 12 hour shift for the minimum wage. By the time people have paid their transport to work, they're often worse off than on benefit. There's no chance of any career progression, job satasfaction or recognition from bosses either. Who's up for that? The solution is, I believe to make work pay for our own people. Even if it means paying their transport and letting them keep more of their benefit. There's enoucragemnt to go and do the work then and the money would at least stay in our country. The immigrants would also not be draining the NHS and schools etc. Anyone who doesn't want to work after all that, can be left to their own devices, I think that's fair enough
Did anyone see the recent Southpark with most of the USA becoming New Jersey as people moved west? Do you see a pattern emerging?
Don't know why you are all knocking it. They are reliable and hardworking and if employers prefer them to the Brits who are not known for being dependable, why shouldn't immigrants have the jobs.
Oh great, it looks like I'll be on the dole for a while longer then.
Just who is employing these people?.....Why the very same bosses who give their backing to the Tories, that's who !......So don't expect too much change !
Isn't 2.4 million 300,000 below the official unemployment figure? Go figure.
My husband is a skilled carpenter/joiner. He undersells himself at the best of times, but with the influx of these pretend builders from Eastern Europe (and they are - we have witnessed plenty of shoddy workmanship) he has had to drop his prices still further. The cost of materials however is going up week on week. It's about time the immigrants were all sent home and the jobs they vacate should be given to the jobless Brits. MAKE THE BRITISH UNEMPLOYED DO THESE JOBS - TRAIN OUR YOUNGSTERS - BRING BACK CITY AND GUILDS. Whilst I agree with some posters that most immigrants I come across are polite and hard working, our country is in such a mess that we need to look after our own first.
the reason young British kidscan't get jobs is because agencies are biased towards E European workers. An agency here in Colchester wouldn't even let my daughter register for work as they were only taking Polish applications for summer jobs on farms - even though my daughter is fit and willing (she attends Agricultural College - so not afraid of physical work) And they were paying above Nat Minimum Wage what chance have the youngsters got - none. - country girl, Essex, 19/10/2010 8:25 I also live In Colchester & I know this to be true. I have a few eastern European friends & the reason why they are employed over English people Is because they are willing to work longer & for less money. I was a labourer working on Colchester's new football stadium on £100 per day. I lost my job when my employer got In a Polish guy to work for £50 per day ! I have a family & financial commitments. How can I compete with that ?
The problem is the british workers, they don't want to work in the factories, I work in a factory and paid alot more for packing boxes than I would get for driving a lorry, working in an office in a Somerset office, how do I know this because I been looking at these jobs and were surprised that by how little they pay. Where I work is full of people from Eastern Europe because no Brits want to work there because it is factory work and english people I know have taken thousands in paycuts to work in offices and shops. Stop slagging off the East Europeans when the brits will not do these jobs ( I am english)
People should not be judgmental about the unemployed British who don't take these jobs. These young, single, fit & healthy migrants come over for the season, live in their dirt cheap pigsty accommodation and then take their low UK wages to their home country where they can fund their dream, getting married, setting up a business or higher education. UK residents cannot do that, you would just find yourself homeless with no money at the end of the season.
At the root of this is principle. The foreigners from the EU are here on the back of an illegitimate treaty that was not mandated by the British people (the Tories and Labour lied about it to get voted in). It is nothing personal against the Eastern Europeans. But if we do not have the chance to run our own country, then all is lost. The foreign invasion is indicative of how much we have lost control. Our politicians don't suffer, and they have organised it. They are traitors, and instead of voting for them, you need to think about the possibility of their being tried and punished appropriately.
I'm all for people who actually get off their backsides and do some work. Oh, and Eastern European women are so much better looking than the fat, ugg-booted trolls in my street. - Chris, London, 19/10/2010 11:08 Superb comment, This is why I have a wonderful Polish wife. I think what you was trying to say was MOST woman from the UK think their Lads, gob off too much, drink too much? you get my point though. RED Arrows here >>>>>>
British citizens will work for a living wage. They are not prepared to live like animals in dirty overcrowded conditions, for a pittance that ends up in the landlords pocket. Immigrants will do this because it's not forever and what little that is left over will be worth more in their own country! many are claiming CB which is worth a fortune once converted into their own currency and some will claim for non-existent children, for many CB is the carrot. Once they have enough NI contributions some will go on JSA and apply for council housing which they will get because they are immigrants! - liz, southend, 19/10/2010 10:26 I would like to invite you to Longsight, Salford and Moss Side, alternatively Crumpsall in Manchester. Maybe you will wake up from your fairy tale dream and start walking on the ground again. Hello ? Hello ? Anybody there ???
British jobs for British workers. Now what do you say Mr Brown? - Major Bill, Chesterfield, 19/10/2010 11:05 Brown appeared to do absolutley nothing to pur the situation right, but don't forget he isn't in power now. If David Cameron had any go he would have rectified this within weeks of gaining power, but he seem just as useless as his predecessor in this case. Though for defending Briain he seems considerably worse. Maybe (but very unlikely), one day we'll get a Prime Minister and Government who will stand up for Britain, keep things British and not give parts away or sell them off.
guto nythbrann, mobile, uk. yes, agreed, we did all those things - and now you are doing them to us, which knocks you off the moral high ground, i'm afraid. you can only complain about our treatment of you, if you are not doing the same. with our behaviour as an example, people who genuinely believed it to be wrong, would resist doing exactly the same. also, our former colonies demanded, and rightly got, independence from us - but how are they independent, when you have to come over here and live off us? live in your own countries, sort out your problems, so that you don't have to come begging off us, and then you will be really independent, and can sneer at our past behaviour all you like. afraid you can't do that now.
the reason young British kids can't get jobs is because agencies are biased towards E European workers. An agency here wouldn't even let my daughter register for work as they were only taking Polish applications for summer jobs on farms - even though my daughter is fit and willing (she attends Agricultural College - so not afraid of physical work) And they were paying above Nat Mimium Wage what chance have the youngsters got - none. - country girl, Essex, 19/10/2010 8:25 Get your daughter to go in again and take a tape recorder with her for evidence.
Following my previous comment, let's get to the real causes of unemployment for UK citizens. Employment regulations in the UK make it very costly for employers to take on permanent workers with the high costs of NI contributions, sickness pay, maternity leave (which is getting crazy) running PAYE and pensions contributions if they have pension schemes and finally the very high costs of making people redundant if times get slack. Osborne needs to address this and help UK business. As for agencies they should be banned they are profiting off the backs of the unemployed and are maximising profits by hiring foreign workers that they know will give them no hassle or complaints, as they would just sack them. Do these agencies pay NI for workers? NO Do they deduct PAYE taxes for them? NO How much in taxes is the country losing because of this? The reason foreigners flock here is that English is the universal language along with the benefits.
The tipping point was reached when the voted for Common Market reinvented itself as the NOT voted for European Community (Federation by any other name). Nothing can be changed without their consent, so in fact most MP's are a pointless waste of money. As an old git I still see it as being conquered by the back door.
and that clown cameron says hes going to force people back to work by stopping theyre benefits . WHEREARE THEY GOING TO FIND THE WORK WHEN THE COUNTRY IS IN THIS MESS
I have been homeless for 2 years. I have been told I cannot get Housing Benefit without being on Jobseekers Allowance, that I cannot get put up in a night shelter or homeless hostel without being on Jobseekers Allowance. How am I supposed to go for a job living on the streets? I cannot go on benefits without a postcode (when you call the benefits helpline, you have to give a postcode to the automated voice, otherwise you cannot get through). The CAB tell me that you can get Housing Benefit without being on Jobseekers Allowance! I called the CLJ (government offices), I called the Housing Minister, I have written to Iain Duncan Smith (e-mail got returned!!! - obviously not on that e-mail anymore) but what I did find out from the Govt - go on benefits, go to your Council, call shelter> I have even had a social worker trying to sort all this out for me. Brent Council were not interested.
Ok...so 2.4 million foreigners working in a county with a population of ~60 million?? Australia has a population of ~22 million with ~1.1million Brits alone working here without other foreigners, I really don't see what your problem is. Maybe if the dole didn't pay more than the minimum wage you might get some of those benefit dependant Brits a reason to get off the couch, we had the same problem here ~20 years ago where the dole paid better than a minimum wage job so no reason at all for someone to go to the effort to get off the dole back then, now it's a different story.
So thats another 2.4m Brits who cannot get work. Better increase the budget for unemployment benefits.
Most EU immigrants never left in the first place and have decided to sit it out on our benefits system as this is where they are financially better off. For those that have left, well they're coming back to do the same! Also most of the jobs that pay 'off the cards' have been taken by immigrants because they will work longer hours for less.
'The country is full to the brim'. No it isn't. I went on a road trip with few friends last week, we passed through Dorset and marvelled at all the EMPTY SPACE. The only people who cry 'England is full!' are Little Englanders who blame everyone else in the world for their rubbish lives, when the truth is perhaps a little harder to face. - Andrew, Wood Green, So you won't be happy until the whole country is covered ion buildings?
When I was a student in the '60s we all worked in factories of all kinds to earn money during our summer vacations. Whole factories used to run during the summer months on British student temp labour; the system worked and they liked us as we were smart enough to get the hang of the job straight away, whatever it was, and boy did we work hard for not very much money, but we were desperate and glad to do it. Whatever happened to all that? Does it still happen?
This sort of thread really brings the xenopobics out of the woodwork. - long gone ex-pat, Outside the U.K., 19/10/2010 10:02 Do we not need to know the truth?
The comments on here from people fortunate enough to live in areas where there is employment really hack me off. Speaking as someone that did get on their bike for economic reasons many years ago I do think I have a right to speak on this. Being a highly qualified engineer and also having family to help me in the area that I moved to made it slightly easier for me although it did break up my family as my wife then did not want to move. Also I moved as soon as I was made redundant and never claimed ANY benefits, so had enough funds to keep me going until I got going again. Can these people that sneer down their noses at the unemployed explain to me how unemployed in areas of zero employment, claiming benefits can do this? Not everyone's circumstances allow this. I know if I had not been highly qualified and had some funds it would not have been possible. Another comment to follow on the real reasons for foreigners are taking the work.
I don't mind Poles coming to Liverpool as long as they learn to speak Scouse. We have a big Chinese community and they all speak Scouse. Jan Molby was well respected for his "dey don't do dat doh do dey" (they don't do that though do they). Being a natural comedian would also help. We don't have many jobs in Liverpool though. Maggie saw to that.
I'd much rather have a country that people want to travel to to work than have to move abroad to find work where they speak a different language. Count ourselves lucky in this respect.
Most of these immigrants earn the minimum wage. How do you imagine someone who was earning around £24,000 a year will cope with competing and dropping their wages to £12,000 a year. They will no longer be able to pay the mortgage, the bills, petrol, feed the family, put money aside for any problems that may arise, let alone saving up for any treats or luxuries. The only people that benefit from low wages are the companies that employ them. Most people aren't lazy but they cannot afford to compete with immigrants. As for people saying the country isn't full because they can see fields. Are you stupid? Do you think we should concrete over the countryside and every bit of green land there is? Lets cut down the forests and build skyscrapers on them. I've never heard such ridiculous arguments.
Does this mean over 2million more jobless Britons. How can the government sort out our own long term jobless if we keep importing workers.
What we need is a strong government, the labour party deliberately bought voters by giving them benefits. Until we reduce the level of benefits paid to men we will need immigrants to fill these jobs.
1) If they are Europeans they are not foreigners 2) How many British live and work in Europe ?
They send most of their money home so thats in the region of £36 billion going out of the economy plus the cost of British workers pushed onto the dole. Absolute madness
This sort of thread really brings the xenopobics out of the woodwork. - long gone ex-pat, Outside the U.K., No long gone ex pat, what it does is show the real, the very real problems in this land that you have left, it is not xenphobic to be concerned over, jobs, housing, space or indeed the culture of this country.
What a surprise, the Foreign Workers, being roughly equal in number to our unemployed. Entirely without the consent of The British People, just like EU membership and Immigration in general at last admitted by the Germans to have been a complete failure !
All the eastern Europeans I have met are polite, hard-working and smart.....so I've not problem with them....
This whole foreign worker issue is easily resolved. 1. Only companies that export their goods or services overseas should be allowed to hirer foreign workers; Public Service and UK centric jobs generate no wealth for this country and any foreigner spends or sends a large proportion of his salary to his country of origin thus further impoverishing this nation. 2. Foreign works are employed as single status with all health and accommodation costs the responsibility of the employer 3. No right to any form of allowances or benefits until they have contributed for at least 5 years. 4. No right of residence until they have completed 10 years continuously. If the employer no longer requires their service, cancellation of visa with return to country of origin. 5. No transfer of employment without return to country of origin.
Bosses say these workers are vital for the success of their companies. The old excuse that Brits wont take the jobs wont wash any more. The reason the Brits wont work for these bosses is mainly the abysmal rates of pay they offer. Why should a business that cant survive without the workers, who do work for them having to claim tax and social security benefits be allowed to trade. Its the same with the so called falling mail volumes in Royal Mail. What the bosses and government fail to admit is the firms who use Royal Mail to deliver their so called independent service are heavily subsidised by the British tax payers. A subsidy started out as someone's tax contribution.
Oh what a surprise that the comments on this article are moderated! it's such i shame that we can't get to read peoples true feelings on this touchy subject.
I think what you mean is the South East is full, Lincolnshire and Northumberland is empty compared to there. Maybe that's because we have had all the investment in the South while the North has been bypassed. Victims of your own succes really.
You should see the Poles in Stratford Upon Avon every day, hanging around in gangs. I thought they were supposed to be working? We are being lied to and suppressed. Those of you unbelievers need to see a optician.
No one ever seems to mention the economic downside to our economy, resulting from migrants sending money home. This may be actually damaging to the UK. I've read the (ONS) figure £6b mentioned, but this may just be to countries outside the EU. We've all heard of the crippling effect on local services, but we may also be losing billions on top of that? The House of Lords Select Committee on Immigration Report (2007) after a 2-year cross-party study concluded that 'there was little, if any net economic benefit to immigration'. So there...! MPs must be aware of the report, yet they have done nothing to about it. Presumably, MPs must think that either his Lordships were lying, or else were incompetent old fools? Whatever, there has been no public debate on this report (and anyone can download a free copy - and it's a most interesting read).
Pull us out of the EU. NOW
Thank goodness for that. The more the better. I'm all for people who actually get off their backsides and do some work. Oh, and Eastern European women are so much better looking than the fat, ugg-booted trolls in my street.
cheap labour is what the bosses wanted and blair and brown opened our doors to give them it. keeping thousands of brits on welfare we cannot afford,if we had let these two have another ten years our country would have been demolished
"Eastern Europeans may be taking jobs that workers here are reluctant to do, possibly because unemployed Britons regard the jobs as either too low paid or too demanding." Not quite getting it are we? Just as the building trade and our own businesses pick up, we will not see our unemployment figures reduce but we will see our benefits bills rise. These Eastern Europeans will work for considerably less than our own people because their cost of living is less and is being subsidised by our benefits system which continues to pay out even when they return home. I know we no longer understand treason in the UK ( a very loose term for three traitorous parasitic nations and one that supports all) but what the businesses who employ Eastern Europeans are doing is nothing short of treason. They are traitors who should be named and shamed. They have betrayed our own people and will kill our economy.
I recently went for an intervierw for a job, and was informed that most of the people I would be working with were Polish. I couldn't work out why they even mentioned that. I was very qualified for the job and experienced in the line of work. I didn't get it. I am fairly certain it went to another Polish worker. So it's not about British workers not wanting the jobs, I think there are businesses out there employing foreign workers because they feel that British workers are probably more aware of their rights and have a support system.
Andrew Wood Green 10.01am So you "drove through Dorset and marvelled at the empty space". Has it never occured to you that to feed 60+million we need farms,and unpopulated areas just so that people can occasional get out of our towns and cities and enjoy a walk in the country.I've seen our population increase dramatically since the war,and it is because of this increase,we think enough is enough that we are saying stop all immigration now. Or would you rather wait until the whole land is covered in roads and housing estates and we have no rivers or lakes to obtain water or farms to help feed us ?
The day the Government stop paying Benefits to people entering the country also child benefits unless they have paid something into the system,they walk out of the country still claiming benefits,no wonder the country is in a mess,stop giving taxpayers money away.
British jobs for British workers. Now what do you say Mr Brown?
sorry folks. You are all wasting your time complaining. We are in the total grip of socialists who do not recognise any of your complaints The socialist mindset is one of total state control so any talk of 'saving' money by reducing benefits to our unemployed and therefore getting them back to work is useless. The socialist government (posing as a con/lib coillition) is now hellbent on destroying our defence capability and 'sharing' out aircraft carriers with our 'allys'in the EUSSR .Making cuts in our defence instead of making them where it will really make a difference ie. getting rid of wastefull government departments and quango's Roger Worthing
sally,canbs and roger,brighton have it correct. the figures show that the eu immigrants figures are 86,000 to the rest of NON eu at only 39,000 combined ! its not as much those workers taking jobs and benefits as it is the eu people ! Roger england...stopping ALL immigration cant and wont work, many of the skilled workers come from places like the USA and those numbers are well down, and fyi, being NON EU we pay a fortune in visa's to come here! Even being married to a brit Ive paid almost 4,000 already and citizenship will add another almost 1,000 ! AND we also sign forms saying we will NOT be able to axcess ANY benefits...no matter our circumstances, so if my hubby looses his job, because of MY status, we are screwed as far as benefits. Stats show it is primarily the EU people coming in for free, taking jobs, and also claiming benefits ! Read the facts ! I adopt this country at a price, and its worth it, but its the EU that we need a referandum on !
I havebeen made redundant twice in the last three years and i can not get a job!! Why am i to lazy to look for one? Believe me i have tried like hell and am still trying. The reason i can not get a job is because companies in my area only take on foreign agency workers. They pay them minimum wage and make them sign a contract stating that they must live on company owned accomodation. They then take half of that minimum wage back in rent for living in company accomodation. What the hell chance do i have to get a job until something is done about it?
Andy - 09:41 Andy - politicians ARE the representatives of the people - we elected them! The problem in this country is that we don't like foreigners coming here but we're quite happy to live off the profits accrued when (when Britain was great) we went to their countries, stole all their resources, killed them because they were a different colour and used them as slaves.
the reason young British kidscan't get jobs is because agencies are biased towards E European workers. An agency here in Colchester wouldn't even let my daughter register for work as they were only taking Polish applications for summer jobs on farms - even though my daughter is fit and willing (she attends Agricultural College - so not afraid of physical work) And they were paying above Nat Mimium Wage what chance have the youngsters got - none. - country girl, Essex, 19/10/2010 8:25 Hang on isn't that racist? Imagine if you told a Pole or an Asian they couldn't register because they were only taking on Brits, there would be hell to play !
This is a foreign invasion! This country has been invaded. It is as unwelcome as a full on military invasion. The Uk is over run with foreign peoples and alien cultures, all unwanted and without the consent of the people.
why do you think someone who doesn't speak the native language very well has an advantage over someone who does? it's hard-working immigrants that are keeping this country anywhere near competitive.
How is it that these people can find jobs as "unskilled" workers when millions of "unskilled" layabouts in UK are unemployed & allowed to be!? - David Learmonth, CEI, Thailand, 19/10/2010 5:14 Because the majority of them are not actually allowed to claim any benefits for the first year or so, they are only allowed over here to work! And even then they will try it on with forged ID or whatever. The same as all the other people fraudsters over here. They actually work hard at avoiding work!
What is absent from these reports is that many agencies no longer offer jobs here but directly to the other countries. They are given contracts by firms then they offer low wages to fill it making good profit from both company and employee. It keeps wages low for all. Abolish private employment agencies they are a blight on the economy. Job centres could carry out this role and see that the employees are fairly paid and that British citizens are offered the jobs.
Mr Toad ...... Toad Hall ..lf your son was willing to work a 12 hour shift for the minimum wage - no doubt in rotton conditions.....then he should think of the sacrifices our parents and Grandparents have made to improve our working day and make work a more bearable occupation. You are encouraging the old days of the Masters rule. The is fast returning with the Eastern Europeans living 12 - 15 to a house and sharing bills and rent and managing easily on the minimum wage and sending benefits and child allowance back home.. We do not do that, we have worked toward and now earned a decent wage for a decent days work. Don't allow these rights to be eroded.
What happens when these workers from all these foreign countries cannot find work, who fall sick, and who have their families with them for child care, education, and at the same time we are nearly bankrupt and have been told to tighten our belts. It means, possible two job families to make ends meet, our benefit bill goes up, as well as out NHS cost, then child benefit, and spaces in our schools not available because of the influx. What will happen when Turkey joins the EU, I can guarantee they wont be in the UK for a holiday, paid for by themselves. I cannot understand why we are the givers in the EU and every other EU member takes. Are we really the EU idiots? Perhaps, instead of knocking the British workers, we can ask ourselves the real low cost benefactors of the UK are the employers, paying cheap wages, for cheap work, our country needs to sort itself out, once and for all, preferably using its common sense.
PLEASE STOP ALL IMMIGRATION NOW !!! yet another Labour legasy.....
I recall when France controlled a new power station they brought in French workers with our own workforce Picketing the site to get jobs So how does that make UK native workers lazy The immigrants in our area spend their time in the library using SKYPE on the computers talking totheir relations in Poland. There would be 4 in a line waiting to have their turn. Not for an odd day but every weekday. So how many of 2.401million non-UK nationals work
"Some of them were Poles and other Eastern Europeans" Can't quite put my finger on what doesn't sound right about that sentence. Of course some of them are Poles and other eastern Europeans, you say it like it's a bad thing. At least they work. If feckless Brits were made to get off their backsides, it wouldn't be a issue.
I think it's nice that they want to work and get money for their families, but what about the native workers? I'm a fairly recent graduate (2:1) and I've been job-hunting since June and I'm STILL unemployed. I've applied for over 120 jobs in all areas of the market, all over the UK - from office work, to translation (I am fluent in French), to hospitality, to B2B, to retail even, and countless interviews later I am still out of work, despite each time being told that I am in the last 3 or so. I've even tried all the local shops and bars (having experience in both these areas already), there is nothing going. It makes me feel really ashamed when people ask what I do and I keep having to say "I'm job-hunting" and watch their eyes shift as they judge me. There are so many people who are quick to judge students/graduates - well I'm trying, believe me!
Here in Brighton, vast numbers of these jobless, often very young, EU foreigners spend their time hanging around the streets smoking, lounging around in coffee bars and even worse, sitting around the seafront getting drunk on cheapo supermarket booze - roger, brighton, 19/10/2010 09:40 You mean British teenagers?
Eventually there'll be some kind of protest. Marching in London or something. Wrong. Any significant protest would have to be in Brussels. Preferably in conjunction with protestors from other countries having the same problems. Let's see if we can get something going with the Germans. I reckon it'd be a real grin to make an multi-national protest against EU policy right on their doorstep. Go all muslim on them and burn the modern hammer-and-sickle flag that is 12 stars on a blue background. That would cause panic.
Whilst cheap casual labour arrives from Eastern Europe, our young skilled professionals, like Surgeons, are leaving this country to work elsewhere, and pay less tax, leaving a void behind them.
Did you klnow that huge numbers of these migrant works can and do reclaim all the income tax they pay in the UK when they leave providing it meets certain criteria, So not only do they take our jobs, but they do NOT contribute to the national wealth.
Economics, I can get a hard working, motivated and skilled polish builder to do a better job and for half the price. Your average Brit builder cannot be bothered to turn up for quotes etc and if they do they want a load of cash to do basic work. - Luke, London, Why don't you go back to you little office job instead of coming out with utter rubbish about an industry you clearly know nothing about. - As Is, England, 19/10/2010 9:22 ------------ As is. Funny,I've had exactly the same experiences as Luke. Perhaps you should wake up to reality instead of belittling people.
What many "British" don't understand, is that however bad they may think it is in the UK economically, it is infinitely worse in Eastern Europe, thanks largely to the IMF. In fact, the much despised minimum wage, may very soon be something to aspire to for us all. Why? Because we have a corrupt political system hand in glove with corrupt Corporations and Banks They are intent on driving down living standards for us all. It's called Free Trade. More money for them. It started with Thatcher's Big Bang, Now we have the Big Debt. The bankers friends, the politicians, have tried and failed to prop up the failed banks and financial institutions. They are quite prepared to sacrifice the living standards of us all to preserve the status quo. Tomorrow's cuts will be just the start, there is much, much more and much worse to come. The French workers and students are showing the way in opposing their corrupt politicians. It will start here soon.
British private sector business is the problem. Many companies are now using agency workers, many of whom are foreign immigrants. Companies, at first sight, would appear to pay a premium to use agency workers. However vast savings are made as it introduces a large degree of flexibility in the contract terms of a substantial part of the workforce. Couple this with the welfare concessions that the last government made to the resident population and the resultant surge in immigrant workforce numbers is easy to understand. Labour's ultimate admission of deliberate social engineering on immigration is going to be with us for many years to come. Only when this government finally lays the spectre of life on welfare to rest, will we finally have reduced immigration. The claim by businesses that overseas workers are better qualified and better educated is a myth touted by leftist dogmatism. Cure the UK of welfare dependency and the cure for reducing immigrant workers will be found too.
this country is crying out for a new leader with a voice for the people. - tony, common sense, uk, 19/10/2010 I thought you had done that in the last election? Oh no, we ended up with a leader that is going to decimate our work force, destroy our armed services, & take our benefits (that believe it or not some people deserve to have!) the nhs & police force to beyond collapsing point.
Hello, I am from Czech Republic. People from my country work Britain and they are considered to be eastern workers (although CR is in central europe!). I have got information for you...we´ve got the same problem (and almost the same discussion) in here but about ukrajine and vietnam workers... Isn´t it funny? Petra
`luke from london` mate you havent really got a clue mate, why do polish builders beat english builders on price!!! easy they pay no tax, or vat, give no guarantees or warranties and are not members of registration schemes. they do building work without building regs and work to no health and safety law and have no public or employers insurance, their vans are registered in poland so they pay no road tax or insurance,if i could get away with this then i could charge £10 per hour.they also pay their labourers below minimum working wage in cash.
The only people to gain from low paid immigrants are employers paying slave wages and slum landlords. Immigrants don't even spend their wages here it all goes back home which is where they buy tobacco, they often sell it onto their workmates for a profit. CB is also worth a fortune to them and that alone can make it worth their while.
these foriegn workers are coming here to work for half the going wage and there is a minium wage here so why are firms allowed to exploit these workers and they should be made join a union to see that they are not being exploited
I am a recruiter (hospitality, mainly chefs). I am Polish, lived here over 6 years and love it here. Now, I have got about £200.000 in chef jobs, my only requirement is fairly stable career (last 12 months) in an established company and turning for work. Last week I had arranged 4 interviews, all 4 did not show up, all British. Does any of the "wise men" on this discussion board have a cure for this horrible disease which makes my candidates disappear into thin air ? Thank you very much.
So the coalition is going to get thousands of not very well British people back into work , while allowing millions of young fit poles etc to work here ! Not going to happen is it ? What employer would consider a poor track record middle aged Brit when he can have a twenty something super fit Pole who can work like a horse all day every day !
British citizens will work for a living wage. They are not prepared to live like animals in dirty overcrowded conditions, for a pittance that ends up in the landlords pocket. Immigrants will do this because it's not forever and what little that is left over will be worth more in their own country! many are claiming CB which is worth a fortune once converted into their own currency and some will claim for non-existent children, for many CB is the carrot. Once they have enough NI contributions some will go on JSA and apply for council housing which they will get because they are immigrants!
Not every english person is a worthless layabout - okay some are but that doesn't mean the majority are like that and if the immigrants are over here to work hard then why on a recent trip to my sons in Bognor Regis was the town filled with groups of young men sat around smoking in groups speaking in a foreign language and obviously 'not working'.........?
Brits should be more like the french and start protesting for what they believe in..
the country is not full, fly into Gatwick in the busy, over populated south east and look down, all you see is green verdant countryside. ****************** So you want to look through the window and see nothing but acres and acres of houses for the whole of Europe to live in? (on benefits and credits probably) I live in a country area and my son was trying to explain where a certain road was. My hubby said "Oh its by the pub on the corner" my son relied "No, that's been knocked down... the garage over the road has gone... the big parking area isn't there anymore... THERE IS AN ESTATE OF HOUSES! You would hardly recognise it!" Creeping like a cancer this build houses for all newcomers.... enjoy the fields while you can... they may not be there for long. Being full doesn't mean houses front to back... it means we have enough PEOPLE for the size of our pocket.
Why is it that employers say they rely on unskilled foreign workers? Surely these jobs could be filled by people currently claiming benefits???? It's about time benefits claimants were made to work for their money instead of sitting at home watching Jeremy Kyle!!!
They are polite and efficient, but surely there are locals willing to work in a petrol station or behind a supermarket till? - Chris, Cheltenham, Very unlikely. Also consider that many of the people currently in receipt of disability allowance could do either of those jobs. But they don't.
Immigration should be stopped now including from all European countries. Only skilled people we require should be given work permits and the rest thrown out. No use the government making loud noises about people on benefits being forced to have jobs if there are few available.
Not every British person is a layabout. It is much easier for a foreign worker to come to this country and take a lower paid job. they are probably mainly young single with no wife or family to look after, easily mobile, in that they can quite easily move from one part of the country living in rented rather than having a mortgage and from my experience in my town where i live, several individuals in one house. - Lloyd, Bridgwater, UK, 19/10/2010 09:22 Lloyd. several individuals in one house you say?, where i live in east london the norm is 6-8-10. people in one 3 bed house and i have this next door so please take this as the truth and not some figment of my imagination.
If you left the UK to go back to Poland, Romania, Albania etc etc, and had to live on benefits how long would it take the ''penny'' to drop to discover where you are better off.Have a guess. My daughter in law is Polish and has lived here 14 years.She is appalled at the number of her countryfolk who are here living on benefits alone and know more about the system after 12 months than she does . They can't believe their luck and have openly said what mugs they think the British are.Come on you politicians ''get a grip''.
I work abroad and commute weekly, the planes are full of east europeans who are prepared to get on their bikes ( Planes). As I have done, unable to find suitable work in the UK. Its hard , I miss my family, but dont want to be another sponger. The simple truth is that the welfare state pays people in redundant industrial towns to stay where they are. Many of these towns should simply no longer exist and the populations should have moved, as they would have done pre welfare state, to find work. Tough but inescapable, we would not have an immegration or unemployment problem if the state enforced internal mobility of labour through the benefits system. In East Europe if you don't work you don't eat. In the UK if you dont work you moan about the size of flat screen TV you have and think of foriegn holiday is some sort of basic right. Norman T was correct, get on your bikes.
Just imagine what a lovely peaceful country this would have been if all these foreigners were not here , a couple of million people would have jobs , the infrastructure would be better able to cope with our population and there wouldn't be so many people homeless . SOUNDS LIKE THE COUNTRY I LIVED IN 40 YEARS AGO
Looking after dementia patients in an expensive privately run care-home, I have encountered too many immigrants that lack basic skills, yet their CV's tell a different story, many don't speak fluent english and patients have been put in danger ie lowering a fragile old lady into a bath of boiling water! Many are willing to turn up for work but I have encountered laziness, and lack of skills.
sorry folks. You are all wasting your time complaining. We are in the total grip of socialists who do not recognise any of your complaints The socialist mindset is one of total state control so any talk of 'saving' money by reducing benefits to our unemployed and therefore getting them back to work is useless. The socialist government (posing as a con/lib coillition) is now hellbent on destroying our defence capability and 'sharing' out aircraft carriers with our 'allys'in the EUSSR .Making cuts in our defence instead of making them where it will really make a difference ie. getting rid of wastefull government departments and quango's Roger Worthing
Eastern Europeans can work for a lot less than British labour because many of them share their accomodation, employers take advantage of them by being more relaxed with health and safety issues, most Eastern Europeans work for agencies, so they have to work where they are sent to, and most of them live a very meagre lifestyle while here,sending as much of their wages home as possible where it is worth a lot more, what the likes of Mr Vince Cable means when he says they are good for the economy is untrue, they are good for the directors and shareholders profits only,as the money they send home, makes their Country wealthy and ours poorer.
If these workers are living 7+ to a flat perhaps you should be checking with your Local Authority that their landlord has an HMO (House of Multiple Occupancy) licence as they are breaking the law if there isn't one in place. HMO licences are in place for the benefit of both landlords and tenants and ensure minimum standards and H&S requirements are met. Cramming this many people into a flat has a detrimental affect on the living standards of those living there, the immediate neighbours and the neighbourhood alike.
"Phil, Sussex, 0915." Yes "Oh Dear," it certainly is, Nothing to do do with race hate, just plain and simple COMMON SENSE.
Foreigners hire foreigners - I have seen hundreds of examples of this. Also, many employment agencies are now staffed by foreign workers who get jobs for the overseas workers and do not give Brits a chance. The idea that all British people will not take jobs is just a joke - many great high paying white collar jobs are also going to non-British workers (like many posts in the City) and no, that's not because the foreign workers are better and people wouldn't kill to work there. They include 'soft skilled' jobs - someone should do a proper review.
How's that immigrant cap working you, Mr Cameron? Forgotten another one of your pledges? Or maybe you never intended to do what you promised from the beginning?
Nick, Leiden, Holland If you believe that Britian is not full, come to Stoke-on-Trent and see for yourself, it certainly is bursting at the seams in this ''neck of the woods' with the attendent misery for all of us
'The country is not full, fly into Gatwick in the busy, over populated south east and look down, all you see is green verdant countryside. Being full is a not a fact. I live in Holland also full, yet there are acres and acres of open space' Really? Many of the fields, woods and open spaces that I played in a child are now housing estates, industrial units and roads and motorways. I cannot get away from the noise of traffic now. Those fields produced food and allowed rainwater to percolate down to the water table to facilitate irrigation and the drawing of water during dry spells. Now the water runs off the concrete and causes floods. One really long hot summer and the lack of water in our overpopulated south east will be disaterous in a way that it could not be if the population was sustainable. We now rely on imported food, one month long blockade of the the Channel ports or when Spain has a food problem of its own and stops exporting and we will have riots.
This sort of thread really brings the xenopobics out of the woodwork.
'The country is full to the brim'. No it isn't. I went on a road trip with few friends last week, we passed through Dorset and marvelled at all the EMPTY SPACE. The only people who cry 'England is full!' are Little Englanders who blame everyone else in the world for their rubbish lives, when the truth is perhaps a little harder to face.
Dont be fooled. We havent just had a million Eastern Europeans go home and then suddenly decide to come back, they never left in the first place. Just take a look at your local schools, hospitals and the ghettos being built up in towns and cities across the country and you will soon realise we have been lied to by this and the previous government. I never used to pay much attention to the EU immigration until my son needed a place at a local school. It turns out that kids of Eastern Europeans have as much right to the school places as my son (and I've been paying taxes in the UK all my life). We are even now told that EU kids will get priority as their families are poorer than the British!? We can afford a referendum on the alternative vote but we cant afford a referendum on our membership of the EU. The politicians should hang their heads in shame. I have joined UKIP in the last few months and will vote for a fair disucssion on the merits of the EU and then a referendum.
What I don't understand is, they have cut back on so many services, stopped building schools, stopped building houses, cut back on health services..........so what is going to happen to all these people entering & living in Britain? How are we going to sustain this?
Nulabourites should stop throwing the term "race hate" around so freely. There'll always be people who don't much like another culture, or some other cultures. They may, or may not, "hate" people from those cultures. For example, I find French culture very attractive and in general the French charming and courteous. I don't find the German culture very attractive. I find US culture very mixed, with different extremes. I like Thai culture. Italian culture has lots to recommend it. None of that means I'm a race hater and "hate" Germans! That's just false NuLabour reasoning and a false accusation. Ironically a lot of "anti-racists" these days seem to spend their time trying to stir up racial tension.
Here it goes again...British layabouts will have their say...as they have so much time on their hands. EasternEuropeans are mainly at work. Get a job and stop whining.
Let me tell you there are MANY unemployed people who WANT to work, but just cannot survive on the paltry wages some of the jobs on offer, many by some of the biggest names in the UK. Also as a previous employer, one had to have a very good reason not to take on an incomer, the employment laws are skewed against the Brits. - Paul, Barnstaple, 19/10/2010 8:53 And yet the immigrants can survive on the paltry wages - it's the attitude problem with the British and it's not the immigrants fault. Employers do not have to offer you a living, they offer you a job and they can pay what they like (as long as it's no lower than the minimum wage). If you don't want to work for what they offer then you can't blame someone else for doing it instead. I agree that the British are not lazy but I also think that we are greedy and want everything, people have to compromise. If the immigrants can find low paid jobs then so can the British, but I doubt you really want them as you want more money.
You know, a lot of problems in Britain would be mostly solved if Cameron would just keep his election promises. So he knows the solutions but instead he has become another part of the problems. Which makes him just as much a traitor to Britain as Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were.
North European countries - generally - have high cost, high wage economies, which of course is a magnet to everyone else in the world. The only way that a high cost, high wage economy can survive is by making very well designed goods to a very high standard - which is what the Germans and the Dutch do. The problem is that there are now countries which have a low cost, low wage economy who are making things every bit as good as we can make them and at much lower cost! The only way West European economies can survive is to reduce their costs by driving down wages. A British worker can survive, sort of, on £8 per hour but his opposite number in East Europe only gets £3.50 an hour for the same work. If that East European worker can then come to Britain and earn £6 per hour, he's very happy - and so is his boss who's saved £2 per hour. A high cost economy which has [a] unrestricted access for foreign workers and [b] generous benefits for those who don't work is going down the plughole
Stop ALL these people coming into OUR country and make these work shy people get some sort of job. CUT ALL THESE BENEFITS NOW not in two years time.
Yeah but how do you block people from coming in? If they are Europeans and we are part of Europe. The poles just want a better life for themselves like everyone else. If we don't want them and other Eastern Europeans we shouldn't be part of Euorope. So it's ok for us Brits to change the landscape of South Spain but not for the poles to live here?So shall we call back home all the Brits that live abroad cos they are a lot of them living in Europe. Also How can we say who should be in the European Union and who shouldn't.? Let's not forget that us Brits have colonised half the world and used to the ground other countries resources what goes around comes around.
Why is it neccessary to ghettoise the figures from Eastern Europe from the total EU figure? Why not break it down even further and see how many came from France, Germany, Scandanavia and so on? Or is it because it's acceptable to stigmatise people from that part of the EU? - Joe Scaramanga, London, UK, 19/10/2010 You are right Joe - it IS acceptable to stigmatise people from certain parts of EU. I am one of these eastern europeans and have been living in the UK for 12 years now. This kind of attitude and generalisation is insulting. I work hard, I've never claimed benefits and have always paid taxes unlike the EU immigrants who, as someone pointed out, come here and claim benefits. And before the rest of the xenophobs get their knickers in the twist - I was a student for four years and my family paid for my education - not you.
Every meat factory in Scotland (I am not sure about other locations in the UK) has been over run by foreign workers, my friend got a job at a local one and he told me there were gangs of foreign speaking people, and they far outnumbered the English people, he said at some lunch times it felt like he was one of the only British lads in there.
It has been noticeable in recent months that when local letting agents advertise one bed flats for rent they have started adding "couple or single person only" to the ads. This is because immigrant workers are renting them out and then moving friends in with them to share the cost. I have just finished renovating a one bed flat recently and am about to employ a decorator to finish it for me. I was going to put a sofabed in the livingroom (I was thinking about whether a tenant might have someone staying overnight on the odd weekend). My builder advised me not to - if you don't want to let to benefit claimants the market here is driven by E Europeans. He is a landlord and said a sofabed would encourage them to sublet the livingroom out. I bought the flat as my retirement pension btw, my private pension has been worth very little since the last government robbed it.
Imagine a United Kingdom where the only non-uk individuals here were either students on study visas for a specified list of Universities, people with specified and subsequently approved qualifications/skills and also any people married to British Citizens BORN here........... Illegal immigrants aside for the moment, that would certainly redress the balance wouldn't it? Why won't anyone dare to speak the TRUTH and say it how it is; I mean ask yourself - WHY do these people all insist on coming here???????? No, seriously - WHY??????? So - get the answer to this fundamental question - then deal with the issue accordingly - AND DEAL WITH IT IN FAVOUR OF THE MAJORITY WILL OF BRITISH CITIZENS BORN HERE - those that NATURALLY deserve the greatest say. (btw - Naturalised is NOT the same as Natural)
they are cheap labour,it's as simple as that. they cost the country billions and if all the foreigners were sent home the economic problems would be solved a ta stroke. but shameron won't do a thing(despite his promises) because he and his rich friends benefit while the rest of us suffer.
The country is not full, fly into Gatwick in the busy, over populated south east and look down, all you see is green verdant countryside. - nick, Leiden Holland, 19/1 Has it not occurred to you that the land may just be needed to grow FOOD! Something that will become even more necessary in the not too distant future!
Absolutely Right Mick. 6 years ago, I worked on a major construction job in the UK, all the jobs except for a few, were allocated to a polish workers employment agency, the conditions these people lived in were like army barracks style from WW2 double and triple bunks in rooms and caravan sites, very poor living accomodation and no facilities other than a small telivision for hundreds of them. Polish Employment Agencies are making a fortune out of jobs that are denied to UK citizens.
I don't care who they are as long as they get the job done. How many times a week is it we read in the Mail about benefit fraud? Well, if more of so called 'English' workers got off their backsides maybe it wouldn't be so easy for these agencies to stick their people into jobs? And why is it the DM never writes about immigrants from Africa, Afghanistan, China? Is it the skin colour or do they do a better job than the European immigrants?
We have had it too easy and immigrants are prepared to work harder and cheaper than us, also do jobs we don't want to. Thats why they are doing so well, we may not like it but thats how it is.
The UK has a very high minimum wage and an extremely good benefit structure, particularly for dependants. Until these are on a par with the rest of Europe then of course the poor of the EU will flock to take advantage. The minimum wage needs to be frozen or reduced and benefits reduced so that it pays to take these low paid jobs. Poland has no immigration problem.
The time is long overdue to leave the EU and put a stop to all this unrestricted and unchecked immigration.It is time that we said British jobs for British workers,these jobs that the Poles and others are doing should be being done by our own people which begs another question,if the Poles and others can find work and jobs are ten a penny for them,then why is it difficult for our own citizens to find these jobs and it quite frankly makes me wonder if a lot of these jobs that they are doing are being done legally or barely legally.
Absolutely awful all these foreigners coming here doing jobs we don't want to do or aren't qualified for what do they think this country is some sort of meritocracy get on your bike the world doesn't owe you a living sort of country I think they should all leave and we should give civil service and teaching jobs to good ole blighty people who didn't pass any exams and can't be bothered to work who would notice but don't expect all the blighties who left to come back and just waltz into jobs it's disgusting kick the buggers out that's what I say Really, the xenophobes and little Englanders have obviously got too much time on their hands today
It is now well past time to STOP ALL immigration NOW. And if that means withdrawing from the EU SSR - well even more reason to STOP ALL immigration NOW.
I am doing the same thing only I work in Germany but am from Kent .. but it's ok that way round isn't it you Numpties. If we wont get off our lazy behinds and do the work that these migrants will do .. who can blame the employers? They also work for less. whose fault is that?
Why can't we have representatives of the people, running the country instead of politicians?
We need to curb immigration from within the E.U. I live near Wisbech were recently it was reported that 9,000 eastern europeans have taken up residence. We have many gangmasters here which have a monopoly on labour which serves factories & farms with many only employing cheap labour from eastern europe & 'discouraging' locals to keep the cheap labour coming in. Many such e/e's have gangmaster subsidised accommodation or live in multi-occupancy dwellings of up to 10+ in larger rented properties. Those who live temporarily in such properties can afford to live off of the low wages proffered by farms & factories simply because bills are split e.g 10 ways which means there is disposable cash to send home (abroad) or spend. Single local people or those with families could not survive on such wages so do not take up such jobs, but out of necessity not choice. One last point. One gangmaster stated many of his e/e's left to get houses and benfits asap after working the minimum time.
This is just one of the big problems membership of the EU causes us, leaving aside the huge waste of money belonging to this useless club Anyone from any EU country who decides they want to come here to benefit from our welfare society can come and live here any time they like And there is absolutely nothing we can do to stop these parasites Here in Brighton, vast numbers of these jobless, often very young, EU foreigners spend their time hanging around the streets smoking, lounging around in coffee bars and even worse, sitting around the seafront getting drunk on cheapo supermarket booze
the instances of British employers specifying that they are looking for Romanian /Polish speaking workers is on the rise. Unless job seekers are prepared to learn either of these languages how are they expected to compete?
They're taking the jobs us lazy brits don't want. We're lucky we have immigrants to cover our @rses.
I was taken on by an agency last Christmas in a warehouse, I could not communicate, or share a joke with any of my co workers, as we didn't share a language, I felt like the outsider. So even if you're lucky enough to get a job with an agency, its unlikely to last long as the hell of not being able to communicate is too much.
This is why we English can't get work and believe me it isn't for the want of trying and yet we are still marked as lazy dole bums, when every time you try to apply for a job you have all of the EU to compete against and the rest of the world, it becomes a impossible task, even if they create jobs they will be for the immigrants so what chance have we ever got in getting back to work, I'm sick of this country and what these Governments are doing to us.
I worked in the UK 6 years ago in South Wales on a Major Construction Project, local and travelling Construction people could not get a job there or in limited numbers to appease the local week unions. Overseas employment agencies had the contracts to supply Polish workers. This is very common, the general impression is given that individuals come over and seek work, usually it is done through an agent who will only employ cheap labour as the Clients pay less than the minimum wage to the immigrant workers agent. They can show you the GROSS amount paid to the worker, the NET amount is a lot less by the time flights and accomodation is deducted among other expenses.
Another triumph for the EU as we get all the rubbish coming to our country, why can we not have a referendum on the EU , we would probably come out, kick out all the undesirables, stop paying out all our wealth to foreigners trying to come in and see our unemployment drop. Be able to look after the old and sick who are genuine and laugh as we watch the EU go down the pan.
One only has to look around and listen to the myriad of Eastern Nationals in our streets between nine to five so maybe it is their day off? Maybe not working at all? To add to this one can not miss the number of young children accompanying them. Benefit? Housing? National Health ? all cost money and who is paying for it. ? Vehicles with Polish number plates in the car park not displaying a UK tax disc are the norm Why do they come here? No not for the climate but because we are a soft touch. From day one it is the gravy train that is a major attraction for many. A cap on immigration from outside the E.U is not what we require it is a cap on the millions heading our way from within a corrupt organisation called the European Union. Do not tell me before they all came here in droves that every job they fill was vacant in previous years. Such excuses from Politicians are rubbish!
How I would love for the hypocrites posting here sympathetic to all these eastern Europeans to suddenly find a rented housefull of say eight of them living next door to them..........yes I thought so If there is one thing the British excell at it is nimby hypocracy.....they are world leaders in that if little else.
If we had our referendum on EU membership we would have left this corrupt & expensive 'club' and able to close our borders. Without the influx of EU and immigrant workers our workshy would have no excuse for avoiding a job......... - Peter, Sutton, 19/10/2010 9:56 You will never ever get a referendum on the EU from the Conservatives under Cameron. Because they know the result would have to be EU withdrawal. The UK will need a right-leaning Conservative government with a new leader, in coalition with UKIP before this happens. The next general election is going to be very interesting indeed.....
Thank God for these extra people. Its becoming almost impossible to fill any job vacancies now.
Of course the feckless benifits claimmants wont look for work they get more on benifits , where as these Foreign workers , demand less wages ,,,,,, escape paying tax ,,, national insurance ....
I know somebody who had to take a pay-cut from £40k to £26k because his boss said there were plenty of East Europeans who would do his job for £26k.
Two solutions: either raise minimum wage to a level that attracts British workers to pick fruit or work in a coffee shop, or lower benefits to below that of the current minimum wage. If someone turns down the offer of work they should only receive the most basic accommodation (ie a hostel for single people) and their benefits should be paid in vouchers that cannot be used for fags or booze. Perhaps that is too left wing for many DM readers but even scroungers should be treated as humans. Just not treated like they deserve a better lifestyle than, say, a bus driver, bin man or Tesco checkout girl.
"But some ministers, led by Business Secretary Vince Cable, are anxious to stave off the CoalitionÂ’s promised cap on immigration from outside the EU to maintain the flow of skilled and cheap, unskilled foreign workers that employers say they need" "...cheap, unskilled foreign workers..." says it all really. Before Thatcher we had an industrial base with skilled workers, now it's financial services or the sandwich factories.
What hope is there for this country to get out of the hole that it is in through the disastrous policies of the previous government, when this invasion of foreigners is allowed to continue unchecked? Britain is set for oblivion unless something drastic is done immediately. It is not only jobs at risk but the serious over-crowding which is is spoiling peoples' lives in their own country!
- maxine, Lincoln, 19/10/2010 8:31 Of course, you wouldn't work or live on the pathetic wage you are offering though would you?
'The number of foreigners working in Britain has hit an all-time high....This summer, the total topped 2.4million for the first time' The current level of UK unemployment is....a little more than half of that total? The usual argument is that foreign workers happily accept lower wages, poor working conditions etc Not noticed that at all with, for example, Polish plumbers or builders. Equally, the opposition of some politicians and employers to the proposed immigration cap arises from a concern about cheap, unskilled migrant labour but that well qualified and skilled workers will not be able to enter and work in the UK. Annoyingly, a lot of foreign workers in Britain particularly are taking high value work because, after thirteen years of Labour and its education policies, there are too few suitably qualified British workers to fill vacancies.
Whenever the media (servants of the Government) are focusing on the foreigners and the evil associated with them, you can bet that they are trying to divert the attention of the gullible public from something much bigger. DM readers fall for it regularly - very amusing. We have the same in Germany, don't worry. Just as naive and narrow-minded.
We give aid to other countries when we cannot afford to because it is "ring fenced." We give benefits to immigrants when we cannot afford to. We keep people alive when they want to die with dignity yet we stop money to people who need help to live a productive life. If we give our jobs to foreigners as well we will never be able to afford anything again.
Yet again the native Briton will suffer whilst another government cowers from EU bureaucracy surrounding immigration policies. If we are "all in this together" then lets look at issues not only surrounding cutting public spending but also getting the country back on it's feet through gainful employment for the indigenous population - not continuing to allow floods of foreign nationals in to swamp the labour market. Those that choose to flaunt incapacity benefit and suddenly find themselves available for work after the benefit review will then have jobs to turn to.
I cannot understand this, how come we have millions of people LOOKING for work that cannot find a job but these foreigners come here and have no problem finding work. Are our own unemployed just a bunch of lazy layabouts or are they just so stupid they cannot be employed to do even the most menial tasks? If you have to be ACTIVELY SEEKING WORK to claim taxpayers money, how is it possible they cannot find work when clearly there are job vacancies that need filling? We need a workfair scheme where if you claim money for being out of work, you give something back to the community be it cleaning graffiti of walls or picking up litter from the streets. This would benefit the unemployed as it would give them some esteem having a purpose in life and would also instill a work ethic in them. Who knows it may even encourage them to find a real job if they have to get out of bed and od something. Single mums could clean in schools when their children are in class, EVERYBODY should do something!!!
We can not stop immigration unless we leave the EU Empire. Sign the petition happening now for a referendum on in or out of EU and never vote LibLabCon again .
Economics, I can get a hard working, motivated and skilled polish builder to do a better job and for half the price. Your average Brit builder cannot be bothered to turn up for quotes etc and if they do they want a load of cash to do basic work. - Luke, London, 19/10/2010 07:54 I work in the building industry (roofer of 18 years) and yes 'some' of the polish work hard but skilled they are not, Health and Safety is a joke to them and they don't like talking in English to the rest of us which makes large building sites rather dangerous. I wouldn't trust a polish builder as far as I could throw one having seen their 'workmanship' first hand. So Luke, care to explain how you decided English builders are lazy and con artists? It was a sweeping statement from you that adds to the myth. Why don't you go back to you little office job instead of coming out with utter rubbish about an industry you clearly know nothing about.
this country is crying out for a new leader with a voice for the people.
Not every British person is a layabout. It is much easier for a foreign worker to come to this country and take a lower paid job. they are probably mainly young single with no wife or family to look after, easily mobile, in that they can quite easily move from one part of the country living in rented rather than having a mortgage and from my experience in my town where i live, several individuals in one house.
There isn't a set number of jobs in this country, more people will generate more jobs. Brits should stop whining and go out there and get a job. Or maybe organise a strike or something for the minimum wage to go up so the foreigners can't get a lower wage than what is "acceptable" for Brits. Can't believe that so many Brits refuse to work for minimum wage (which I am assuming is the problem here) and rather sit on there behinds and do nothing. You have to start somewhere to get anywhere. Surely most people received the minimum wage in there very ffirst job.
i have already started boycotting certain products as it has emerged eastern european workers are favoured over british ones: look at the economics of that!
Bang on the nail Lenny,!!,thats what its all about and the fools in this country cant see it,!other countrys are doing ok with out the eu stazi state,
Foreign works are so good how come i have to rip out the pipe-work they had done because of leaks ,but they do,nt get the sack because the manager is on a kick back to employ them.I earn my £30 per hour putting their mess right.
remember foreign workers get up to FIVE times the amount in their own wage that english workers do - wouldn`t you clean toilets for hours on end for 25-30 pounds an hour? please stop this bashing of english workers - it is the excuse of greedy bosses selling us all out and you are attacking your fellow countrymen. what is wrong with you? I look forward to the day when they get bored and find somewhere else to roost and the workers you are leaving behing won`t want to work for you. and the benefits issue is a non-starter: you still have to pay for food, clothing, laundrette, electricity, water rates, tv licence out of 65 pounds per week. how is that living in luxury? h by the way if bosses are saying they can get foreign workers cheaper etc and it makes financial sense then we must also accept that benefit people who are better off not working are also acceptable and britain is broken. i don`t want that.
stop these people from taking our homes, benifits, housing....send them home.....give jobs to the english, those firms that employ just poles over here instead of taking their host c ountry residents. is not on. one such shop where our monies are spent 99 pence shop polish only no english it is an utter afront on us the english
Hurry for O'leary and Ryan Air! Polish women are very beautiful, they mate with the English, good looking children prevail. People in Bollington where I work have interbred for years with scary results.
All this is simply foreigner hate propaganda! So 1.39 million now minus 966,000 in 1997, 13 years ago means an average increase of a mere 56,000 a year. This is perfectly acceptable and there is no doubt that a far greater proportion of their number than us brit have contributed in taxation to the British economy as well as doing some of those jobs us brits won't do! The problem of overcrowding does not exist and the problem of the economy certainly does not lay with them! We already know who ruined this country!
we are constantly told by our politicians and business people that immigration is necessary for our continued economic growth and prosperity. while large inflows of immigrants may indeed be of great benefit to business, but i am not convinced this is also true for society as a whole. what about the social cost of immigration, an issue rarely addressed by our political and business elites? human happiness is not merely a sum of economic factors. lasting human bonds, a sense of continuity and belonging are equally, if not more, important for a society's well-being. with a constantly changing social landscape, these are becoming harder to achieve. whilst there can be no progress without change, too much change too quickly does not necessarily lead to a better quality of life and greater happiness. i admit this is only my personal experience, but for me everyday existence has become less joyful in an increasingly overcrowded city with an ever changing population.
The country is not full, fly into Gatwick in the busy, over populated south east and look down, all you see is green verdant countryside. Being full is a not a fact. I live in Holland also full, yet there are acres and acres of open space. The concern is too many people compared with what we think is right. We are in the EU and by pulling together we can make it work, Poles, Bulgarians etc want to work, can work and do work. If our post war socialist education system has failed to educate too many people that is not the fault of the Poles etc. There is also the attitude that the world owes people a living, no you earn a living. Immigration from countries outside the EU is another matter. Again skilled work people with work permits are welcome and contribute to our common good. We have a problem with others who do not share our, in effect secular christian based society. For them living on the state is an aspiration, not a safety net. The Germans are right.
Oh dear. I see the race hate trolls are out in force with this little "story"
Reading the comments, it is obvious that the people calling our unemployed layabouts do not know what they are talking about. First these EU immigrants are employed by agencies. The employers will only take on agency workers. As they can lay them of at a moments notice. The agencies will only take on EU immigrants who live three to a room in squallier some accommodation provided by agencies. My son was recently made redundant he had a job in two weeks but he works 16 hours a day delivering cars around the country he only gets paid for the time he is driving. So if he travels 300 miles he does not get paid for the return by train. So all of you out there so quick to condemn our unemployed get your facts right before you open your mouths.
Fact is English people are being overlooked by employers who prefer foreign workers. Our own people will never work but will be reduced to working for benefits while the immigrants get the best jobs & pick of housing.
The goverment needs to wake up to this problem especially when they are going to cut tens of thousands of jobs in the public sector. If they are not careful the British public will lose faith in them and turn to extreme parties lik the BNP and could also bring the country to a standstill as the French are doing.
If you look at other countries such as Germany, France and Spain they are experiencing the same problems - immigrant labour doing the jobs they don't want to do. France and Germany didn't originally even want us in the EU - in fact we paid the most to get in! The poorer countries, like Spain originally (who have done so well with EU money) and now Eastern Europe gained the most. When a club has too many members, it's time to get out.
If you look at other countries such as Germany, France and Spain they are experiencing the same problems - immigrant labour doing the jobs they don't want to do. France and Germany didn't originally even want us in the EU - in fact we paid the most to get in! The poorer countries, like Spain originally (who have done so well with EU money) and now Eastern Europe gained the most. When a club has too many members, it's time to get out.
Either these foreign workers jobs aren't advertised or I'm blind! Are these jobs reserved for them?
Migration cap - OUTSIDE THE EU - so it is pointless! The migration cap should be in the EU!!! And before Politicians start bleeting on about , we need the highly trained immigrants - by now they should of trained their own voters, to be the highly trained workers they needed, 5 - 10 - 15 - 20 years ago!
All those correspondents having a go at the "idle British" should read the entry from 'Mo,London' @ 15.13.It's not as simple a matter as idleness.
I support a lot of the comments re the number of unskilled shirkers who would, and should be applying for work which is being done by the polish and eastern europeans. However I must point out that it would take a change of attitude from the employers too, they actually prefer to take on the foreign workers who have good work ethics.
Easy, only pay benefit to the fit and able when it has been worked for, no choice of job, what is wrong with these politiians????
Thank you Laboutr Party! You never asked us, but simply pursued a policy of making us strangers in our own Country to improve your electoral prospects. En-route you bankrupted Britain for the third time in the single lifetime of an individual. You are unfit to govern, your ex Leadership are criminals and one day justice will be done.
Will somebody please ask those dipsticks that are members of HM Government how the unskilled unemployed citizens of this country that are willing to work are expected to find employment with the emigration floodgates wide open? For the attention of those self-appointed "employment experts" that post here and tell us all there are jobs for unskilled people but they are too lazy to find them: Please be so good as to tell us where, as I know somebody, with a mortgage and in danger of losing his house, who is absolutely desperate to work but can not get so much as an application form for a job -let alone an interview -despite CONSTANT efforts. Well?
Will somebody please ask those dipsticks that are members of HM Government how the unskilled unemployed citizens of this country that are willing to work are expected to find employment with the emigration floodgates wide open? For the attention of those self-appointed "employment experts" that post here and tell us all there are jobs for unskilled people but they are too lazy to find them: Please be so good as to tell us where, as I know somebody, with a mortgage and in danger of losing his house, who is absolutely desperate to work but can not get so much as an application form for a job -let alone an interview -despite CONSTANT efforts. Well?
It's these workers that ensure that many employers can and will pay the absolute minimum wage. I too could live on the wage if I shared a house with 7 other adults and sent the majority of my wage (plus family allowance) back to Eastern Europe.
The employment agencies are the people who should be investigated they are the ones pushing for these people to come here and not helping British workers. They can rip these people off much easier than british workers. - jan, somerset, 19/10/2010 7:23 Absolutely, and don't forget that foreign workers rent small houses and live four to every room, enabling them to take such cheap wages.
Two related problems which are the direct result of Labour's years of denial which will have long term damaging results. It also begs the question, if the East Europeans are coming here to work, what are the millions of non-EU economic migrants doing?
Do you honestly blame them? wouldn't you come to this country? It makes me sick but it is not their fault! It is our Governments fault for letting it happen!
If we had our referendum on EU membership we would have left this corrupt & expensive 'club' and able to close our borders. Without the influx of EU and immigrant workers our workshy would have no excuse for avoiding a job. Common sense, (which few politicians appear to have), would suggest a 'workfare' scheme where benefit recipients have to work for their income, even if it is only sweeping streets! It is far too easy to lose the habit of going to work, far too hard to restore it !!
The key word here is 'workers', we can't blame people coming here to work when we allow our own indigenous layabouts do nothing for the equivalent wage of a chartered accountant.
People who come here from low cost countries believe that they are being paid well. At some time they can return and enjoy wealth they couldn't make in their own country and live well. If you are from the the UK a high cost country, made high by red tape, high taxes, numerous laws, highly priced housing and rip off prices these jobs don't meet the burdens placed on you. If these jobs paid enough for a UK person to get the same perceived benefit as the migrants they would take the jobs. The current system creates a trap because the state then has to pay for people who can't or won't work - raising taxes and making us more uncompetitive. There is no pressure on the employers to raise wages.
The bottom line is that British people will not take these jobs when they can sit around on the dole and maybe do a bit of work on the side and be better off Mr Toad, Toad Hall, 19/10/2010 5:56 I get a little fed up with this argument, the 'incomers' have pushed down the market rate for any vacancy in the UK. Its the capitalists way, we Brits do not rent a house with nine other people, we have not been conditioned to do so, our domestic overheads are higher, we just are creating a third world state in this country. Let me tell you there are MANY unemployed people who WANT to work, but just cannot survive on the paltry wages some of the jobs on offer, many by some of the biggest names in the UK. Also as a previous employer, one had to have a very good reason not to take on an incomer, the employment laws are skewed against the Brits.
our own kids cannot get training, my boy wants to train for a trade to help him have an active and productive working life not to just push paper around like local goverment do... give our own kids a chance to train for the skills this country needs
Is it not strange that we are supposed to have 2.4 million people unemployed and there are 2.4 million foreigners working here, and dont give me this rubbish about they do the job we wont do either its a lie. All the government has to do is get rid of the 2.4 million who should not be working here and give the unemployed their 2.4 million jobs, if they do not take them the government stops there payments. As for that cretin Vince Cable who wants to import more foreigners so that the business men can give lower wages and have everyone living on the bread line again, let him get a job in Poland or wherever. And finally not all unemployed people as scroungers who will take any sort of job, they will if there are jobs there because after six months they stop your dole if your wife is working, you get no benefits at all.
If it were just the workers here it would be bad enough but what about the relatives of the workers who are here using the NHS, education and other services, putting a strain on the housing situation and not contributing themselves. An eastern european may be working hard but is usually living in overcrowded conditions so the amount of council tax paid on a property does not reflect the number of people using local services. They pay little tax and insurance because they earn the minimum wage so they get back far more than they pay into our system.
This country is not only sick but I have came to believe it is quite stupid and can scarcely be called a country at all. We refused to raise our voices when it could have made a difference, now this pathetic and weak country is getting what is coming to it and what we deserve, the best we can hope for is that the downfall of this so called 'nation' wont be too protracted.
And therein lies the root of the problem
This is the immigration that most Britons are concerned about and don't want, but are too afraid to speak out against it as it is not PC. The immigration from outside of Europe is minimal in comparison and is only from skilled workers. Why is it that our country pays European workers such things as child benefit even when their children remain in their own home country? We cannot and should not put up with this for any longer. It really is time to for us to leave the EU so a refendum on it must be a priority. If only UKIP was a much stronger party and people were prepared to vote for them rather than feel it was a wasted vote in a General Election. I do not think CON/LIB/LAB politics can change to match what our country needs in this century.
The reason british workers don't take so called lower paid work has many reasons, but the amin ones are: Why work when you can get paid for doing nothing Years of sub standard education where they are allowed to get away without having to work and being made out of some sort of victim because they are for a so called "disadvantaged" home. They are unable to take orders - a majority when asked to do something they don't want will automaticall kick off.
hold on...... before moaning about every unemployed brit being bone idle. if you have a house paying 500 pound a month rent 5 eastern europeans sharing getting child benefit for there kids back home working on minmum wage life is good they are here to send money back home. now a brit with is wife and kids paying the same 500 pound rent council tax utilities on minimum wage cannot live.
Ah good news, this may mean I can fill my vacancies now.
Pity the Poles can't pay their way, my partner has a small terraced house which she rents out as a pension. The Polish residents have just left owing £2500 rent, £700 worth of damage and not a chance in hell of getting any money back. She must now pay up to have the house refurbished so that it can be sold (fat chance).
Whilst I have nothing against the Eastern Europeans, I feel sorry for the working class of Britain. Influx of these people must surely drive down the wages. Maybe the British working class should consider emigrating to Australia, where working class jobs are still relatively plentiful. The Brits will always be welcome in OZ.
In France, most of the jobs doing seasonal work such as fruit picking are done by local nationals; very few immigrant workers seem in evidence here, apart from English ex-pats who are having a hard time because of the exchange rate. In Britain the unemployed should be offered this work or refused benefits.
Good job these foreigners came in and are working, otherwise UK plc would be bankrupt. How else can UK pay for all the benefits and allowances but from the tax taken off these foreigners. - Toby, UK, 19/10/2010 05:57 If that wasonly the case the majority to not pay any tax
This is hilarious. Before lection " I will give you a referendum on the E.U.", "We will sort out immigration and asylum", " I will tackle the workshy" , " We will have a bonfire of the quangos". Call me dave really pulled the wool over your eyes didn't he? The word politician should be abolished and replaced with LIAR.
There is another side of this argument - the employers. Until they work with government to employ British first and foreigners if needed then this will go on. There is no doubt as jobs are created then people from abroad will take them if offered. If you go to France they will only employ you if no French person is available to do the job.
this just shows that with a little encouragement if we stopped these workers coming in, maybe with an immigration hut in Skye, that most of our unemployed could be found work to do. It would take very little money or organising, and as long as they are paid at least the minimum wage, it would be right. But there is the problem, most of these workers from eastern europe do not earn anything like the minimum wage, the collective housing is below par and the are treated like mules! Maybe we could stop this problem too, but the increase in food prices may be hard to swallow!!
Why is it neccessary to ghettoise the figures from Eastern Europe from the total EU figure? Why not break it down even further and see how many came from France, Germany, Scandanavia and so on? Or is it because it's acceptable to stigmatise people from that part of the EU?
My husband tried employing local workers. Those who were prepared to get off their backsides and come to work were nowhere near as good as the foreign workers we were forced to employ to avoid going bankrupt. Local workers seem to tnink they have a right to £15 an hour, a tea break every hour, a break for a smoke every hour in between tea breaks and a toilet break as and when. To be honest local people were basically rubbish. They had no idea of punctuality, relability or any other of the virtues that Eastern Europeans take for granted. The sooner our education system starts to show our children that it's a hard competitive world the better. The stupid ideas they've had that there are no winners allowed as this might upset the losers has to go. Workers have to accept the reality that we are in a competitive world and that if we are to remain viable in business lower wages are more likely than pay rises as we will have to compete with foreign competition where low pay is the norm.
the problem is you have skilled english workers and foriegn unskilled workers you can get two unskilled for the price of one skilled which option do you think the employer is going to take to save money this is part of the problem I know plenty of skilled workers who were made redundant from a local factory but now it has reopened they are no longer needed and the factory is now full of poles who are unskilled the ones who were made redundant are more than willing to take a minimum wage job as they just want to get back into work after being out for 18 months now all you that jump on the get of your backside side and find a job band wagon should be ashamed of yourselves yes there are plenty of people who dont want to work but dont tar everyone on the dole with the same brush until redundancy happens to you and there are no jobs left in the area to go into because the employer wants cheap and poles and east europeans come very cheaply reccomended
Listen to the people and get us OUT OF THE EU! If you dont you will find your time in office to be the shortest in history!!
the only skills shortage in the UK is competent politicians.
The British have become LAZY. Not just in recent years but for many years . CUT the benifits and make it more important to work . A once Great country should be ashamed.
The operative word being 'workers'. Well done them. Despite many people decrying immigrants it takes a lot to leave your own country/environment/language to work abroad, even if it's for just a few years. People won't move from Rochdale (or wherever) where there are 'no jobs' to work elsewhere, yet Poles will move from Poland to work in the UK. - yes WORK not be on benifits.
This makes me very angry! People on here saying that English people wont take these jobs because we are lazy! NO! We cannot take these jobs because we have mortgages, rent, council tax, electricity etc.... to pay for our families. These people have about 10 people living in a 2 bedroom flat working all times of the day. This is why they can afford to work for rubbish wages. But I dont blame them, I blame the UK companies employing them in the first place. Anything for cheep labour!
the reason young British kidscan't get jobs is because agencies are biased towards E European workers. An agency here in Colchester wouldn't even let my daughter register for work as they were only taking Polish applications for summer jobs on farms - even though my daughter is fit and willing (she attends Agricultural College - so not afraid of physical work) And they were paying above Nat Mimium Wage what chance have the youngsters got - none.
Get the workshy off their backsides by reducing their benefits. Say a reduction of 10% after 6 months followed by reduction of 20% every 6 months thereafter. And if they return to benefits they go back to the point they left.
There's a current saying in Poland going around which roughly follows as "Better to live in crisis ravaged Britain than in a booming Poland". That's why they're all coming back.
@Kimi, London, 19/10/2010 4:40 You don't consider minimum wage as cheap labour? Let me tell you something sunshine, it's bad enough that security jobs have fallen from £7.50 an hour to £5.90 but they alo want you to work 12 hour shifts for that, I was w
My son is a skilled worker and has been in and out of Agency Work for well over three years now. The work he was trained to do is always given to a "foreign Worker" because they will work for less money. This is also the case in any unskilled job. He is not on any benefits as not applicable if living with relatives. Whereas the the foreign workers get all the benefits to top up their low pay.They get it both ways.
The wealthy and ruling class just want a low paid slave class. They therefore proove thay are traitors and therefore any theft or action against them legitimate for the British poor.
"CHEAP" foreign Workers What happened to MINNIMUM WAGE ? not such a good idea after all .
Vince Cable and the liberals/Labour party live in a dream world in constituencies that are unnaffected by the worst aspects of unchecked immigration. He thnks he knows better than the general public. Merkle has woken up & smelt the coffee. It seems Hell willl freeze over before the Liberal politicians do the same.
So why doesn't the government propose a cap on foreign workers form the EU? Because it can't, that's why. We are in Europe and run by Europe. Mr Cameron is also in favour of Turkey becoming a member of the EU, so presumably the Turks would be allowed to come and work in the UK too. Personally, I don't care one way or the other whether Turkey joins the European entity , , , so long as the UK leaves it.
For the last few years I've bought petrol from a particular Shell garage in Cheltenham, and have been puzzled why the people serving behind the counter are ALWAYS young foreigners (Polish I think). The same applies to my local Lidl store. They are polite and efficient, but surely there are locals willing to work in a petrol station or behind a supermarket till?
There will be serious revolt soon if immigration is left unchecked. Foreign workers are driving down pay and conditions in the work place. Is it little wonder employers and the Government of the day like this. The landscape of England is changing quickly, soon English folk will be ethnically cleansed by the EU, something Adolf Hitler failed to do. The UK has a spineless Government past and present and now we are paying for it dearly. The US controls our foreign policy 100% and has clearly been instrumental into Turkey's membership of the EU (so it can build missile sites there). There is nothing we can do or say, this is all a prelude to the next phase of European reorganisation. Civil unrest will not happen as the vast majority of British civilians have been brain washed into drones.
I know few people who are working in UK and all of them are calling our locals to work there. Their company bosses are saying that if you get more Eastern Europeans to work there you get bonus. One workplace is a fish factory where they all the time have staff shortage because work is in minus decrees and Britons don't work there. Other place is jam factory where they have 12-14 hour shifts and again locals don't want to work there. I understand that E-Europeans are taking Britons work but in the same time I think that there will be many companies closed without foreign workers. If locals don't want to work in company because the pay is to small - it can be changed. But if Britons don't want to work because working conditions are hard - it can't be changed as fish will rot in warm room!
Surely the stay at home are doing their bit for oversees aid. If the brits took up all these dead end jobs where would these poor east europeans get their jobs. We should be thanking our youngsters that are helping those that are less well off than themselves. It enables those that have worked here to get onto the benefits ladder by virtue of EU laws that insist our country must treat these citizens be treated as our own once they are here. So please stop vilifying our wonderful charitable youngsters and those that choose to see others less well off than themselves get on in life.
It is interesting that Britain peaked when these workers came to assist us and crashed when they left. Hopefully their return will help stimulate a recovery despite the best efforts of the current government to destroy it.
It's not the East Europeans we should be worried about. They come and go with little impact on our culture. We should be more concerned about Africans and Asians, those who have no right to be here, have no wish to go back home and no intention of integrating.
Clearly the locals are too lazy to do some jobs and prefer to be on the dole, as far as I am concerned these Eastern Europeans are welcome!
I took on somebody for work last week from Romania - she had another job as well! One day she was going to be working 14 hours (Not for me!!). No wonder people employ these workers if they're willing to work such long hours - probably for little pay! I expect most of those workers are being taken advantage of by unscrupulous British employers!
whether there are jobs for these people or not is hardly the argument its were they end up living and where that money ends up. the big companies dont pay tax then their work force is sending the money home how is that good for the economy
Employers are laughing all the way to the bank, because an immigrant tradesman will do his job for minimum wage, and work overtime for the same rate, they arent in a union so are free to be abused and misused (unaware of their rights and UK employment law). A friend of mine was employing Polish workers, and paying them 30% of what he was giving his UK workers for the same job. This is why all of these jobs are being filled by foreigners, so bosses and directors can get rich more quickly.
I have no problem with other EU citizens coming here on a personal level. They are generally very decent hard working people, who have similar cultural backgrounds to ourselves. Employers using them as cheap labour, abandoning our own natives who need unskilled work is a massive problem though. Immigrants from outside the EU are far less likely to be culturally similar and fit into our society.
Remind me. How many people are unemployed in this country. Stop benifits. Stop immingration and pull out of the EU. Benifits not required and no bill for being a member of a corrupt EU. We would be able to save many billions a year. Put some of this into industry so we again produce top quality goods and lead the world in technology.
Try to look at it from an economic standpoint, Firstly they come in and work for low pay ,which now puts more money in the company owners account, which of course is an offshore one so they dont contribute tax to this country, add the fact that a lot of foreign workers send money home so that does not add to this country's wealth, they then claim benefit for their kids living in their country (they have never even been here) and no proper checks are made as to how many if any they have, there are thousands of them work for a week or two and then claim benefit,plus housing,plus healthcare plus schooling if they have kids. Some of you need to grow up and realise they are only helping the rich not the country as a whole.Stop the influx and stop benefits for those that dont want to work,give tokens for kids and food and clothing etc,once they cant drink buy plasmas,computers, drive cars,smoke etc they'll soon want a job.
To all of you who keep banging on about British shirkers and layabouts just remember these foreign workers are paid a pittance and live in hostels! Are you saying that native born Brits should accept the same? It's all very easy coming on here sounding off when you have a well paid, "safe" job and already have money in the bank and a decent home! I want MY Country back!
George, Toronto, ON, Canada, 19/10/2010 3:35 I doubt you'll find many of our lot living off benefits in other countries. The reason we have all in sundry coming to live her is our ridiculous benefit system.
Economics, I can get a hard working, motivated and skilled polish builder to do a better job and for half the price. Your average Brit builder cannot be bothered to turn up for quotes etc and if they do they want a load of cash to do basic work. Alot of the demand for foreign workers is generated by the attitude of some sectors (expect to much cash) or those that just cannot be bothered to do the jobs as they make more on benefits.
All part of the grand EUSSR master plan to rid the world of that pesky British bunch with their stiff upper lips and all that. Yes,if it wasn't for those dasterly Brits allowing those American chappies to use Britain as an invasion base in 1944, our comrades from Moscow would have have been dipping their toes in the Atlantic long ago. But for those Brits we wouldn't have had to bother with all this pseudo-democratic melarky from Brussels to attain our ultimate goal of a world communist order. But now we in Brussels have control comrades, our grand plan that has enabled mass migration into the UK is unstoppable. Yes comrades, soon we will rid Europe of the British scum by simply breeding them out. Soon comrades we will be one, Brusselsgrad and Moscow ztanding together, side by side. Our Comrade Cameron is doing zuch great wurk there in UK that when the day cumz we shood be conzidering Tzarship for him!
Question are the foreign workers coming in paid the minimum wage for what they do? Are these jobs skilled jobs that they are coming in to fill? Cos I thought it was skilled workers that the UK had a shortage of not unskilled. Go to any job centre in the country and you will see long lines of unskilled workers signing on to collect their benefits - am I wrong? So how do we stop this flood of migrants? We do a points system like other countries do and we stop giving benefits and which will force people into looking for work. Should hard working tax payers be forced to pay for them to stay at home? The government needs to stand up and and take responsibility by taking employers to task and fine them if they do not employ UK residents/work permit holders only. What choice would the unemployed have if they had no benefits to fall back on? Like the rest of us they would have to take a job! Not rocket science is it????????? Then the wages earned taxesd paid would benefit all!
Ermm, they're working for peanuts. Would you?
You don't need immagrants to do the work.All you need are the one's that are on the dole to work for their dole money.lf they don not take on the work,then stop their benefits. This will also get them used to what work is all about and also will give them a sense of respect to pay their way,instead of relying on others to pay for them
It's not just the numbers of Eastern Europeans working here that is the issue - they take minimum-wage jobs and get an NI number, then they are eligible to claim Working Tax Credits, Child Tax Credits, Child Benefit, Council Tax Benefit etc. They also access free healthcare and schooling. They actually TAKE MORE OUT OF THE SYSTEM than they put in. Added to that, they have a high birthrate, thus swelling the UK population beyond belief, creating even more social problems. Our children will be paying for all of this for many generations to come.
British Jobs. British people. Every unemployed person in britain needs a kick in the arse and told to find a job otherwise this country will fall in to more debt if we keep letting these lowlifes to sponge of everyone else and be better of.
Let me understand this; a foreign worker comes here and works for minimum wage so pays very little tax, a British scrounger who doesn't want work, sits around breeding, gets hundreds of pounds a week benefits. That is not the way to balance the books and we wonder why the country is in a mess. Why have ministers let this happen, if a company director ran a company as badly as this he would be in court. Oh yes, and I am expected to work past 65 to fund this waste.
There is only one way to fight it,britons-go and take those low-paid,long hours jobs!
Under Labour the Benefit payments spiralled so there is no wonder the feckless of this Country will not work. When someone in work with a family takes Home say £300 out of this they have all the bills, rent or mortgage payments,Council tax, Dental treatment, prescriptions etc. School dinners. Someone on benefits can finish up with £500 in their hand & have nothing to pay, no rent , no Council Tax, free dental treatment, free school meals and the gravy train goes on, the more Children these irresponsible People have, the more money they get. Stupid or what. I rest my case.
and why the government don't stop them comming in the Country? And give the jobs to the british people's..this is a joke now..every body moan without any action.....
i know of a factory down the road from me that made 300 english workers redundant 18 months ago they reopened earlier this year every single one of the original staff reapplied but only ten were taken back on and they were not the normal workers they were managment the rest of they factory is full of polish and east european workers who are unskilled people say that english are a bunch of lazy layabouts sitting on the dole not every one wants to be on the dole but how can you compete for jobs when the factorys want polish and east european workers and the reason why no holidays to pay out /no sick pay to pay out / no union to fight for rights for the workers /any problems they can sack them straight away as they dont have the same rights as the english workers did the english workers cannot compete with them but if they were told to go home there would be plenty of jobs left for the ones who really do want to work
"The number of foreigners working in Britain has hit an all-time high despite the fragile state of the recovery. This summer, the total topped 2.4million for the first time after thousands arrived from abroad in the spring." So much for Labour's assertion that many Europeans would go home!! And, don't forget that most do not spend their money here but send their earnings back home and, they claim child allowances, child tax credits, working tax credits and tax credits which also goes back to their country of origin.
'Good job these foreigners came in and are working, otherwise UK plc would be bankrupt. How else can UK pay for all the benefits and allowances but from the tax taken off these foreigners. - Toby, UK, 19/10/2010 05:57 I know a Polish lady who works for the minimum wage and pays £24.00 Income tax and national Insurance per week back into this country. However, she receives £20.00 child allowance each week for a son who still lives in Poland and over £40.00 per week in working tax credits. These benefits more than offset her contributions to the economy. Add to this, her free dental, optical and health care because she is low paid and then multiply this by the millions that are doing likewise. I think you'll find they are part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
The government took us into the EU, now we have no say in who comes here, likewise the government hasn't got the backbone to stop the influx of foreign workers and stop the benefits of anyone born here who refuses to take a job and support themslves, Don't bleet and say that there are no jobs, they have just proved that there areat least 2.4 million, which wipes out almost all of the unemployed layabouts and scroungers.Get us out of the EU and show some common sense and backbone, that would get us out of debt a lot sooner.
The employment agencies are the people who should be investigated they are the ones pushing for these people to come here and not helping British workers. They can rip these people off much easier than british workers.
Get out of the EU now!
The principle reason for this is two fold (1) our unemployed are unwilling to do these jobs themselves as they believe these jobs to be beneath them and (2) why work when they can get benefits and everything else that goes with it. Simply put there is a lack of pride in working. Hopefully the radical chnages in apporach to youth unepmloyment and dole payouts will change this but it will not happen overnight. And of course there is the third element which is pay. In many cases employers pay these overseas workers less than they would pay a local. This is because they know they can get away with it as the foreigner is unlikely to complain, after all what they earn here is much higher that the dole they would get back home. So the problem actually revolves around a number of issues and will need bold measures to put this right. Employers should offer living wages, government needs to crack down hard on those unwilling to work (and gladly this is about to happen).
How is it that these people can find jobs as "unskilled" workers when millions of "unskilled" layabouts in UK are unemployed & allowed to be!? - David Learmonth, CEI, Thailand, 19/10/2010 05:14 Well I was struggling to find work around that period and Southampton is not one of the hardest hit areas in this recession. My suspicion is that many of these job vacancies are not even being advertised in this country at all but directly abroad. Personally I think the REC (recruitment and employment confederation) needs to start investigating the practises of some of its members regarding whether they are offering the same opportunities to all jobseekers or are specifically targetting certain nationalities.
I do not care what colour they are, White, red, Black, Yellow. Somebody needs to put up a huge sign at Dover, 'THERE IS NO ROOM LEFT AT THE INN'. We have a population rumoured at 68 million, the same as France, we have half the land mass they have. Floridians are screaming that the state is over populated they have a land mass similar to ours, their population is 18 million. We do not have enough doctors, dentists ,schools or teachers for our population, the roads are at a standstill due to the number of cars now on the road. This madness MUST stop. It is lunacy. A few may pay tax yes, but in terms of the social cost, the benefits paid out, the overcrowding and strain on all public services, especially our prisons, our immigration policy is sheer madness and certainly not beneficial. The cost to the country is huge. Have politicians learned nothing from the last election? Next time there will be an eruption if the current government do not get a grip. Stop the flow and stop it NOW!
Any incoming immigrants should only get the same benefits that their country would give them, not the mad benefits that seem to pour out of our pockets into theirs. There is nothing to stop two or three times this many coming in to Britain, which seems unbelievable madness, some thing has to be done at Government level to restrict levels of immigration, and if the cannot, then we must leave European Union. We the British people must dictate to them, and if the Government doesnÂ’t listen to us, then we must make them listen.
The whole point of this exercise by our government is cheap labour, consequently resulting in the very small minority of rich getting richer and the great majority of poor gett poorer - or as they like to call it, the new world order. Very soon we'll see Cherie open a charity hospital for the poor somewhere in London, named after her husband 'The Tony Blair Foundation' in a desperate bid to get his sainthood and his insurance into Heaven.
This country is addicted to benefits like a junkie is addicted to drugs.That is why foreigners come in to do the unskilled jobs indigenous Brits will not do and prefer to rely on State handouts. This is the reason why all the liberal bleeding hearts are bleating and the benefit recipients squealing now something (however small) is being done about it. The remedy is clear:Get out of the EU,stop foreigners being able to work here and stop making having children a career choice for both couples and single women.The policy should be:"If you will not work (if able) then you will starve" and"The state will not pay you to have children".I bet the number of jobless and (intentionally)single would shrink quickly and the benefits bill likewise. The benefits system should only be a safety net between jobs,not a career choice.
That would be ok if we could post the slack chavs to Belgium. I wonder how the EU would react to some kind of protest march or demonstration in Brussels. At the moment France is getting some stick for unpopular policies but nobody ever seems to mount any hassle right where the EuroQUANGOcrats live. Hardly seems fair.
the problem is lots of these these people do not pay tax, they stay long enough to earn there tax free wages then return home to spend it in there own countries. We are in a lose lose lose situation as they can also use our health service and claim for there children that are not here.
What some of the commentators here fail to take into account is that ,the majority of foreign workers are not boosting our economy ,they live many to a house and so only a minimal profit is made by a landlord.They live frugally while here and so contribute little to the local merchantile economny ,they send a great deal of money out of the country ,therevy assett stripping and lastly they claim benefits for children who have never set foot on our soil.Their minimum wages for the most part attract little in the way of tax and so on balance they are a huge drain.If they were not here ,wages would rise,locals would take the jobs and the local and national economy would eventually see results.Its a short term quick fix ,foreign labour and has never worked long term.
The answer to this problem is easy! As an elected government, they should reflect the wishes of the electorate. I believe that the majority of the British public feel that the bureaucratic EU does not work for our country and therefore there should be a referendum on staying in the EU. The out come would be in favour of leaving and then the immigrant Eu workers can leave! Job done !!
I've never understood why we allow 80,000 able bodied men to do nothing all day long in prison and then have thousands of immigrants come over to work on our farms etc.Prisons are too soft as it is,so why not organise a few thousand prisoners to pay back something to society, and do a days work picking fruit or whatever all these immigrants will be doing. The fresh air and exercise will do them good also,and it won't cost us anything,so it'll help keep our food prices down. I'm sure many prisoners would jump at the chance to do something constructive rather than watch TV all day.
and where did the other 1.9 millon come from.
Please, please, please, go home. The Government study shows no net benefit for the U.K and their are skills shortages in your home towns i.e. Poland where the firefighters are all girls. With High unemployment amongst locals and now harsh Cuts YOU may inadvertently start The NAZi's (PT 3). I hear rumblings, I really do. Both your kin and ours died in that film so have a care, your Greed may = WAR.
What does the headline mean 'RETURN to Britain'? Did they ever go away?
All Europeans should be classified as foreigners and surplus to requirements. What gives people from other countries any right to work in Britain. Don't say the EU as the big majority doesn't want to be led by it. We are a country called Britain and not a recluse for the area known as europe.
see the government got a handle on immigration.
What a surprise! The country will continue to go down hill as long as the PC's let anyone into our country. I don't believe the figures either. There must be over 245,000 Indian/ Pakistan/ Bangladesh restaurants in Britain, and what about the chinese?
It's all part of a grand plan by those who have the real money it's called DIVIDE AND RULE.
The problem is that evertime a question is raised to our curropt politicians about immigration that start telling us about quotas being imposed on handful of highly skilled migrants (less than 5% of total intake) coming into this country from outside EU. What the people really want and what nobody is willing to take provide an answer for are the MILLIONS that are from new EU states, half a million illegals and another million asylum seekers that live in this country. They don't speak the language, are mostly unskilled and have no intention to integrate.....
Mi casa es su casa.
I wondered where everybody had gone ?
I am sick to death of hearing that British workers don't want jobs. My husband is a City & Guilds trained carpenter with 20 years experience. He has kept his job, but been forced to take a 10% cut in wages, several others have been let go , to be replaced by Eastern Europeans who will work for the minimum wage and then claim Working Tax Credits. My son had a job in IT earning £24K, he has been replaced by an Indian immigrant being paid £17K. My family has never been out of work or claimed benefits, but we have been sold out by successive governments. Our quality of life is being eroded on a daily basis, our infrastructure is creaking at the seams and at current immigration rates, we will soon concrete over every green space to provide homes. All to provide the bosses and upper classes with cheap labour, nannies, cleaners, gardeners etc.
By voting for the same old crowd of politicians of the liblabcon backslapping fraternity this is your reward. In an age of austerity,with decent people thrown out of their jobs,and having to take employment on a part time basis,or jobs for far less money than they are used to-we have this.....extra competition from 2.5 million interlopers helping to drive down wages...'infesting' towns and villages up and down the country. You must be very pleased at the outcome of your vote.
Good job these foreigners came in and are working, otherwise UK plc would be bankrupt. How else can UK pay for all the benefits and allowances but from the tax taken off these foreigners.
The bottom line is that British people will not take these jobs when they can sit around on the dole and maybe do a bit of work on the side and be better off. The government's plan to make welfare less rewarding is the only way to get the workforce back into employment.. My son did a spell in a factory between uni and his career where there were many Poles .To be fair he said that they worked very hard and all they (and he) received was minimum wage for a 12 hour shift all through the night. He said that Brits would turn up for their first night and quit before the first shift was over ! To put it bluntly they were idle.If there were no option they would just have to get on with it !
Don't let the workshy and the bleeding hearts tell you there are no jobs here...
The government needs to ascertain what sectors are lacking workers and rather than paying benefits without any end .. send these benefit seekers for re-training or indeed training from scratch ( for those who have never worked ) and give them the option of taking the job or getting no benefits ... The charity state has to end for those unwillling to work and those breeding the state to death.
good job they ARE here, they are doin gthe very jobs that our yobos and shirkers refuse to take
How is it that these people can find jobs as "unskilled" workers when millions of "unskilled" layabouts in UK are unemployed & allowed to be!?
Now I know the DM will either decide not to post this or my comment will be red arrowed by all and sundry but - I completely understand the need for an immigration cap, afte all the UK is full to the brim - I saw it myself while I was at university. However, what I don't understand is how net immigration will fall at all while there is freedom of movement in the EU. Looking at the statistics, the majority of foreign workers are from the EU and Poland/Eastern Europe. These numbers will be unaffected by the cap. The system isn't working. Those that have overstayed, committed crimes, and are abusing the system need to be shimmied out for heavens sake.
Unemployed Britons regard the jobs as either too low or too demanding. First, if a job is "too demanding" the pay should be higher. A Brit would probably take any one of these jobs if the pay rate was suitable for the task. But we will never know whether this is true, because there are millions of foreign workers to take the jobs at any wage. Who did all these jobs before the foreign workers arrived here? In California for instance, the majority of workers in fast food restaurants are Hispanic, mostly in the US illegally. They are paid the minimum wage and subjected to less than satisfactory working conditions, with no benefits. High school students and other Americans looking for full or part time work are left out of this market. But in more isolated States such as Vermont or New Hampshire, the same restaurants will pay 50% above minimum wage to entice American workers.
People should ask themselves why do English/British employers still prefer to employ people from Eastern Europe over indigenous people. The minimum wage ensures that no one is used as cheap labour as done in every country. As such am employer trying to stay afloat in these rocky times would look at who will give them better productivity with the least amount of fuss. Let us be honest to ourselves and recognise that times have changed, the business approach of companies is now very much capitalist and driven by the ideologies of profit and wealth accumulation. Every company will be looking at maximum productivity at the minimum possible cost. The days of we are British (first world/developed country) are long gone and now you have to work hard. If working hard it too much for you them claim benefits and stay at home.
this country is stark staring bonkers, we are in massive debt and yet we still let in all these people and if eu workers cant get employment they are still entitled to all our benefits, we have gone down the plughole
It is time our own unemployed became more competitive to prevent the foreigners filling the jobs. Cut the handouts, make them hungry and the queues for employment would swell enormously. Furthermore, if the Eastern Europeans can up sticks and travel a thousand miles to look for work, it is not too much to ask our own unemployed to travel a mere 100 or even 200 miles or more to relocate and secure work. One of the problems is that our own unemployed are simply not fit enough to to sustain many of the jobs the foreigners are filling. As time goes by (a few weeks rather than years), engagement in physically demanding work results in improved fitness, making the individual fit for purpose and the work far easier.
And still the government will profess that immigrant workers are good for the economy. Don't you just love being treated like an idiot by all the various governments that have ruled in recent decades
Now I know the DM will either decide not to post this or my comment will be red arrowed by all and sundry but - I completely understand the need for an immigration cap, afte all the UK is full to the brim - I saw it myself while I was at university. However, what I don't understand is how net immigration will fall at all while there is freedom of movement in the EU. Looking at the statistics, the majority of foreign workers are from the EU and Poland/Eastern Europe. These numbers will be unaffected by the cap. The system isn't working. Those that have overstayed, who are criminals, who abuse the system and who are unskilled need to be shimmied out for heavens sake.
Do these dodgy statistics include the 1,400,000 illegal immigrants currently in the UK, whom the Home Office cannot trace?
The article didn't mention how many Britons are working elsewhere in the EU, or elsewhere in the world. It must be a similar number to the number of foreign workers who shifted to the UK, considering the unemployment rate, and very few new jobs being created in the UK. So, people moved out, people moved in type of thing I guess.
I'm beyond UK retirement age + and it is said by our unemployed they cannot find work ! Or that employment would mean a cut in their benefits payments.but what surprises me is all these foreign people arrive find a job and just get on with it ! Before I went to live in Scotland, what worried me a bit was the number of unemployed, especially in the Glasgow area. Having got there I discovered more work available than I'd seen in my whole life ! ! But you just try to find a handy man or builder, none ! wait weeks for a half useless moron to arrive and regret it quickly. There are thousands of openings in Scotland for anyone who wants to work. I wouldn't be atall surprised if it's not the same in England and Wales too. We should welcome anyone who is willing to work, from anywhere.
Excellent news. That means more British people can choose a permanent no-work lifestyle and live off the state. We taxpayers are only too happy to pay for non-working Brits and those EU workers who claim child allowances, etc. Yes, raise taxes. We're used to being screwed; and you, the government, can just keep bleeding us dry.
Good, they're good workers, and in many areas improved crime rates by actually doing something about it. The ratio to me, must stand at 7:3 for benefit/risk. If the british people wont work, then let the europeans in. What bothers me is the comapny profiteering, tax/benefit/housing/welfare/schooling scamming, non-criminal checks, paying our tax outside our country and so forth. The British people need a boot up their backside to a) stand up for themselves b) stop being so consertative tip - look at france c) help themselves and their neighbours before attending to non-uk's d) not vote in complete idiots like your usual LibLabCon.
Anyone see that documentary where they put 5 unemployed 'Brits' on benefits into these jobs in the place of these Foreign workers? Only 1 turned up on time, 1 didn't bother, he phoned in saying he was on the booze the night before and wasn't bothering to go to work.. Those that made it to work worked so slowly, stopping for fag breaks and phone breaks that when the British owner paid them the minimum wage, he said he had actually lost money employing them for the day. The one guy who gave it a go was lost as they put an English guy in an Indian restaurant and he didn't know his Rogan Josh from his Vindaloo. (so that wasn't a fair test) It showed that the problem isn't with Foreign workers 'taking our jobs' but the fact that British workers are now (mostly) lazy. Thank the lord that there are still some of us who are willing to WORK for a living.
"Eastern Europeans may be taking jobs that workers here are reluctant to do, possibly because unemployed Britons regard the jobs as either too low paid or too demanding." Or maybe the high cost of living doesn't affect them, because they are coming to do the job on a short term basis, before returning home with savings that converts to relatively high capital in their home country. But of course it is easier to trot out the tired old line about Britons being lazy. The irony is that this driving down of wages, and the indigenous reaction, is pure Adam Smith economics - yet the theorhetical Adam Smithites prefer morality to economics when considering the issue.
While we remain inside Euroland, there is absolutely nothing Cameron or Theresa can do about it..
Good, keep letting them in. If the British sheeple are not yet awake then they soon will be.
Hmmmm? How many British people are unemployed? How many foreign workers have taken jobs in Britain? Now lets do some maths... Do I see a way of saving Britain billions in unemployment and ther benefits? Hmmmm?
Hmmmm? How many British people are unemployed? How many foreign workers have taken jobs in Britain? Now lets do some maths... Do I see a way of saving Britain billions in unemployment and ther benefits? Hmmmm?
STOP foreign workers in Britain ... NOW!
For 35 years I have been trying to get work in the UK - I lost my marrage at the end of 30 years becuase I was only allowed 60 days per year in UK - This was due to the Contract of Employment and because of the UK Tax Laws which do not allow visits that are more than 90 days with in a year. It actualy has to be less because of the tax year Please tell me where these jobs are I am still physically fit - I have a UK Passport - UK Driving License - I will relocate to where ever the work is
Can you (sometimes) use your brains, people? Where is the photo and name of the
so according to this statistic 4% of the population are committing 18% of the crime . You do the maths
so according to this statistic 4% of the population are committing 18% of the crime . You do the maths
Why not put up posters of Liverpool. Then the scousers would sort them out the real way!!!
Sounds like an idiotic thing a council would do. I'd be asking them about the posters.
We keep letting them walk in. They are no value to the country, only harm. Are we mad?
Even if we did leave the EU nothing would change. The liblabcon would continue with the same policies.
Another European success story.
We should just throw them out. These people are ruining our country. Just get us out of the EU Cameron.
This must be another DM windup surely !
I wonder what Albert Steptoe would say about this article?
Poland isn't in Eastern, but in Central Europe.
Who on Earth would want to come to that place?! Those Polish criminals have no self respect! Outrageous!
Lets kick out graduates from Africa and welcome criminals from EU. Well done Britain
EU need us, they would find it very hard to get another gullible Country like us.
We dont care where you (and your contemporaries) came from or why, we just dont want you here now - or ever. Full Stop
If you have ever been to Bognor Regis you will understand that prison is probably a better alternative.
The real problem is that the lack of benefits in Poland drives Polish people to come the UK which has accessible generous benefit provision. We are a magnet for all the 'good, bad and ugly' of Europe and will continue to be until the gross disparityin benefits is resolved: Prefereably by quitting the EU.
Your missing the point - we don't want (or need) you here regardless of where you came from. - HG, London, 19/6/2012 13:01 Does it mean you always stay in England and never go abroad? By the way, where did you send off your prisoners years ago? You did not want to have them here. Stop being ignorant as your post shows and send the prisoners back to their homeland. Resolved.
Am I being scepitical here! but it looks to me like we are being pushed towards a civil war....why on earth would criminals be encouraged into this country this way. We are under attack from our own leaders on all fronts....this is sending a message to all of us that no one is looking out for the honest hard working tax payers and I am getting fed up with it now. This is very dangerous and needs to be confronted.
A mythical poster come to Bognor where many solvent elderly people live who are vunerable to criminality. Don't worry the British tax payer will house you, give you money to live off, you will have free medical assistance, education and in some cases free transport. What you need to do is just turn up. Some families are on the brink of finanacial Armageddon the highest rate of youth unemployment our hospitals are buckling under the strain of excessive ( under Blair's
This is what happens when politicians absolve themselves of their reponsibility, too much talk and no action - nothing changes! Why do other European countries not have the same degree of problems, maybe they take a stricter line!
ENJOY, SUCKERS!
Please please please shut the door.
moan moan moan,I'll bet next election the same lot will BE VOTED IN . they are all the same just the strip changes colour,this was said 60YEARS AGO. - quin f, longcroft uk, 19/6/2012 11:50 2,000 years ago and counting actually!
I never see anyone complain about the miilions comin from other continents who wiill never go back
jodie, QLD Australia, 19/6/2012 13:18 Don't be confused. This article and others like it are just right wing let's hate everyone trolling.
Whoever signed up to allow the dregs of Europe into our country should be hung, drawn and quartered.
Time for a cultural exchange. Send our criminals over to Poland and see if they like it.
Living very close to Bognor I'm in a better position to comment than the majority here. I don't recognise the description of Poles as valid at all. The ones I know are very pleasant and hard working. They are here to work you know. Of course, mere facts are not good enough for the ravening hordes of dm readers. A large proportion of them dislike anyone who isn't exactly like them. This would be okish if it weren't for the large proportion of dm readers being abjectly appalling examples of human beings. Constant whining about everything, refusal to help anyone less fortunate. I'm jolly pleased we haven't had an influx of dm readers to Bognor. Now that would be unpleasant. Actually probably quite a few in Aldwick, maybe we can fence them in
That explains a lot. Feel like a foreigner in my own town sometimes. If someone is found to be breaking the law, why are they not sent back to their own country for them to deal with them??? And if they try to return, they should be stopped at customs. Why do we have to put up with criminals from other countries as well as our own?
I thought America was the least appealing place on earth. It seems I was wrong. England is on the downward spiral.. Such a shame, the pictures of your country side and castles always made it seem like such a lovely place to visit. I'll stay away, thanks to your looney Government. Anyway god forbid one of my children were to get sick whilst on holiday over there! Your hospitals are also stink according to the other article I just read.. What a mess!
Well at least they are white. - ME ME, LaLa Land, 19/6/2012 12:42 Well what an ignorant little creature you are!!!!!!!!
We have the right to live anywhere in Europe or did know one tell you that..
Weren't George V's famous last words "Burgle Bognor"? Or something like that...
im an immgrant and i too dont understand how uk allows people with criminal past settle in uk so easily. you cannot blame eu on everything- e.g. EU has Euro circulating and UK doesnt so why not too be different on foreign criminals from the rest of EU?
Foreign nationals coming here don't have to undergo the same riorous CRB checks that British nationals have to undergo. They can come here with a clean sheet.
And *********STILL***********The elected Government does *******NOTHINK*******about******IMMIGRATION** Towns,Citys.Seaside Resorts are turning into Hell Hole's where no real British Person would want to live. Thats why they Move Out and that why places like Newham, we the indiginous population are now the minority. If they thought it was wonderful,diverse,cosmopolitan as all the Media,BBC and politicians would have us belive they would not of MOVED OUT. Multicultralism is a failure and its about time Cameron done some think about. As he has already lost my Vote. The mans an IDIOT where in Tony Blair case he was the begining of the End of the UK and will go down in history as Britains most destructive PM.
You do not have the right to compain if you vboted for Dozy Dave or any of the Lib-Lab-Con cartel as they are all in it together. Open B orders to anyone who wants to come is official government policy and Dozy Dave is telling us he wants to limit the flow to 225,000 a year. The fool has no plans we know about to house, feed, educate, assimilate such vast numbers the equivalent of a big city every single year for years and years. Anyone who votes for the Lib-Lab-Con cartel desrves just this sort of result. UKIP--are not a right wing nazi party--they want to shut the borders to protect our country and uphold the rights of all of us.
Well at least you people have place to moan about polish people.Luckily there is nothing you can do. I don't believe in one word in this article.We have almost a million polish people in this country and you are surprised few rotten apples get there as well?Not every country can be  so perfect like England.English are wonderful people,kind,open to different nations,pretty  people,well educated,rich,not at all selfish,not xenophobic,not racist English people are not being caught abroad for smuggling drugs,Raul Moat,Derick Bird,Baby P case,rioters from London mugging Thai boy,and many others. You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.
Eastern Europe is not just one country. It is better if in your articles you would show where this scam came from without blaming the whole Eastern Europe. - Mango, London, 19/6/2012 12:27 Your missing the point - we don't want (or need) you here regardless of where you came from.
Well at least you people have place to moan about polish people.Luckily there is nothing you can do. I don't believe in one word in this article.We have almost a million polish people in this country and you are surprised few rotten apples get there as well?Not every country can be so perfect like England.English are wonderful people,kind,open to different nations,pretty people,well educated,rich,not at all selfish,not xenophobic,not racist English people are not being caught abroad for smuggling drugs,Raul Moat,Derick Bird,Baby P case,rioters from London mugging Thai boy,and many others. You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.
Is there a poster asking the criminals to live in the same areas as the politicians. Loads of taxpayers booty to get hold of.
We have been told we need mutliculteralism often enough. This is a fine example!
And so George V gets his last wish.
Eastern Europe is not just one country. It is better if in your articles you would show where this scam came from without blaming the whole Eastern Europe.
If i was a criminal i would not go to a poor area i would go where the pickings are much better and Bognor sounds just about right
This can only get worse as unemployment rises in europe and our benefits to those who have never paid into the system are so generous. Also as we see time and time again the courts are pathetic when it comes to sentencing people. The free movement of people throughout europe was always going to be a problem for us and only that twit Blair with his money grabbing wife couldn't see it.
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Average citizen knew will happen if they let eastern Europe unchecked. Only our government did not realise that. It will get wire unless we get out.
moan moan moan,I'll bet next election the same lot will BE VOTED IN . they are all the same just the strip changes colour,this was said 60YEARS AGO.
I wonder what
ITS THE SAME OVER HERE, U CAN BLAME YOUR GOVERMENT ALONG WITH THE IRISH AND I THINK SWEDISH GOVERMENTS WHO WERE THE ONLY COUNTRIES TO PLACE NO RESTRICTIONS ON POLISH WHEN THEY JOINED THE EURO IN 2004 ... WHEN MOST OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND EUROPE DID.
this is Pooland
Polish criminals who also earn convictions over here, cannot be deported because Poland hasn't signed up to the Prisoner Exchange Programme. Who is responsible for suggesting that former inmates make their way to the South Coast of England?
can't understand what for you use anti-polish propaganda all the time DM?Why you hate them so much? Not all POLISH people are criminals.And you should show some proof like picture of that poster or name of prison.Whole article is just based on one gossip.Get a grip DM.You can't wait when English people will start fighting with polish on the street because they have read all those horrible stories about them in your paper. You are really the worst tabloid ever and the most xenophobic paper in UK.Shame on You.Not all Poles are criminals.
Friends who now live in Europe tell me that the UK is regarded by the French and Germans as Europes 'dustbin', where all the human 'rubbish' from Europe goes to live because they get free hand-outs and accommodation. Apparently, we even take toxic waste from Europe and bury it here in the UK - so I've been told - under some quietly agreed deal previous Governments made with certain European countries, doesn't surprise me in the least....
Had a fanily day on Bounemouth beach about 5 years ago. Got there early to park and then found a nice space on the beach - but after 2 hours we were like sardines. Full of our louts and also eastern europeans. The usual, cig ends flicked all around, alchohol, lewdness. It was a real cesspit, so we left early. Sorry Bournemouth but I will never go back. So now Bognor - well bugger Bognor too. The whole country is being trashed and the 'lunatics are in charge of the asylum' The only solution I know of is to not vote for those who said they would change things before they were in power.
Why don't immigration check criminal records on people coming into the country. Canada won't even let someone with a DUI enter the country.
Again to all those who have forgotten. 2008, the signing of the Lisbon treaty, by Miliband then Brown. The Tories hands are tied. The only way is out of the EU. Whatever your MP's party, hound them into giving us a referendum NOW. Then you will see panic in the EU. Brown signed us up to a never ending cess pit. You cannot bail out a bankrupt country and there are at least 5 in the EU. Now if oil was discovered in large quantities in the EU, then that would be different.
Sittingbourne is fast becoming a suburb of Warsaw
You want to reduce the prison polulation ? simple deport ALL foreign criminals. why should british taxpayers pay for them to be in jail ??
Just come back from a Portugal Coastal area. The locals were saying they are having a problem with eastern european migrants, with prostitution and crime becoming rife.
You just couldn't make this up, we the british tax payer has to put up with this kind of vile class of people flooding into our country and the goverment does nothing about out human rights to get the borders shut.
Bognor - now that's one part of the South that isn't beautiful!
Is this a joke? It can't be real. - Pippen, Kiwiland, 19/6/2012 10:56........IT IS REAL! I LIVE NEAR BOGNOR AND ITS GOT MORE POLISH THAN KRAKOW.......THE PLACE IS A DISGRACE, GOD KNOWS WHAT HOLIDAYMAKERS THINK WHEN THEY GO THERE. THE BUTLINS BROCHURE DOESN'T TELL THEM ABOUT THAT!
are given a choice when caught all over Europe, prosecution or a one way ticket to the U.K. which he also described as the cess pit of Europe, his words not mine, most choose the one way ticket to the U.K. - Benny, remember the Ozone layer, it never went away., Manchester, UK, ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is complete rubbish. never happened!
Throw+them+out%2C+sick+of+them
What is depressing is not that some eastern Europeans are crooks but that so many who no doubt consider themselves model citizens are racists. Just check the green arrows and see.
I said this would happen when they opened the gaping mouth of the EU ever wider. It has spewed its sewage upon us.
A tad unfair. The Polish people I know in Bognor are as nice as the English people I know in Bognor. Why would it be any different.
Yep....come to dustbin Britain...we take all the refuse other countries don't want.
The relationship between elected and those who elect them is very simple and breaks down into two parts. The elected collects tax's and spends them on our behalf (whether that by on law the majority deem appropriate in the county etc), we in turn should pay those taxes. Secondly they should protect us and REPRESENT OUR best interests, again we should abide by those laws until they are changed by proper process. To put simply we vote them into power to look after US and give them the financial means to do so, however it's like a members club, you all pay and you are all a member i.e. English, American, Greek whatever. Why it this not understood by our politicians?
As I have previously posted, I was told by a Dutch Police inspector petty criminals are given a choice when caught all over Europe, prosecution or a one way ticket to the U.K. which he also described as the cess pit of Europe, his words not mine, most choose the one way ticket to the U.K.
Why+do+you+never+hear+these+sorts+of+issues+raised+at+Prime+Minister%27s+Questions%3F
Is this a joke? It can't be real.
Officers say 18 per cent of the crimes in the Arun area are committed by Eastern Europeans should probably read%2C 82%25 of crimes are NOT committed by Eastern Europeans.
round them up and take all the ill gotten gaines and donate them to charity them after they finish there sentance send them back to there own country
If they commit an offence here they can be immediately deported. Or maybe Spanish Police are breaking EU rules.
Vote UKIP deport the lot of them there a scourge on the country
TONY BLAIR
A big thank you to those wonderful Eurocrats in Brussels and our outstanding governments both past and present for allowing the dross of Europe to come to the UK and steal, sponge and turn our country into a cesspit. We never voted for this, but the likes of Blair and Brown signed us up for it anyway. Ship them back and to hell with Brussels. - A Little Balance, England, 19/6/2012 09:44 Can you prease remind yourself about what Camerons promise was about immigration when he was campaigning at the last election..He publicly stated that he would cut immigration to tens of thousands...Yet last year we allowed half a million immigrants into the UK
If we leave the EU, tear up the treaties and govern our own nation like we used to do then we can just round up every one of them and send them packing back to their own countries.
This is just one of the many reasons why you all should join UKIP and vote for them whenever you can, local or general elections, because the other three have done and will do absolutely NOTHING to stem this tide of immigrants.
ahhhh, right then, this explain an awful lot, having lived here a few years ago.
This was happening 15 years ago in Hastings (One of the reasons I moved North)...................Therefore the Government has had at least that amount of time to do something about it, they have done NOTHING but fill their own pockets.........................Our country is wonderful our Government stinks.
Don't you just love the benefits of belonging to the EU?
Don't complain, get him deported.
and we STILL dither over immergrantion and the HUGE influx we see year in and year out , while we suffer massive unemplyment amoung our own and all the services are at breaking point ...we CAN NOT sustain this and need a reversal NOW !!!
oh nooooooooooooooo!!!! not another one of our lovely seaside towns eroded by dangerous criminals...
Looks like the last President of Poland was quite correct you in the UK have all our criminals.
Is it April 1st today?
A big thank you to those wonderful Eurocrats in Brussels and our outstanding governments both past and present for allowing the dross of Europe to come to the UK and steal, sponge and turn our country into a cesspit.
How many more computer bugs will be needed to rid ourselves of the EU. Mr. Cameron all you need to do to walk the next election is state that the British Electorate have a vote whether to stay in or out. He knows what the answers going to be and so do all the parasites. This nation is on the brink and irrespective of what the Labour pack of yes people say it is getting nearer the day when the populace have their say. Mr. Cameron be under no illusion we want positive action
Theres only one party that will put a stop to all this and you know it
Reply to Amy Bath, This would happen whatever party was in power they are all tarred with the same brush
<< Crime is probably accounting for most of the 3million jobs said to depend on the EU. The rest are the bureaucrats. - Avril King, Poole, 14/9/2009 10:34 >> Is there any difference??
<< I don't want to know what Joe Public thinks of all this, I want to know what the Prime Minister's views are!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Alan, Alnwick, 14/9/2009 10:02 >> He's still waiting for Mandelson to tell him.
the only party that will stop this is the BNP, but I bet you all continue to vote Lib Lab Con. Like the sheep you are.
Wouldn't let the Ghurkas settle in this country yet any body from the east of Europe no problem. Enough reasons to bail out of the EU catastrophy and ditch this New Labour shambles in the process.
Oh the benefits of unrestricted mass immigration!
I'm Slovakian and have been living in UK 6 years. I have got full time job, pay tax and don't claim any benefits here. i have benn studying english and work hard to become part of the community. I'm sorry to read that Slovakian ai England are part of mafia or sort of. All my slovakian friend in England work and don't do any crime.
By reading those comments, I am a bit confused whether we are reading the same article. Is this about an immigration or a scam? It could also have been committed by English/British people!!! Let's not forget about the crimes committed by British abroad (e.g. lawyer friends claiming an insurance of 'stolen things' in south america, british teenagers smuggling drugs etc The thing is when British commit s the crime 'the government is ready to go and 'rescue' them from their punishment....Not all nations have 'this privilige' ....
Would'nt let the Ghurkas settle in this country yet any body from eastern Europe with the a--e hanging out of their trousers can enter no problem .Good reasons to bail out of this EU catastrophe and ditch this New Labour shambles in the process.
Cassandra from Nottingham, you were doing so well until you appologised for being 'un-PC' that's where all the problems stemmed from! The PC band wagon has caused us to be scared of raising an eyebrow, let alone our voice in support of OUR opinions and standing up for OUR human rights, bugger anyone who doesn't or hasn't paid into OUR tax and health systems! Send them home to face what's coming to them!
Of the 34 arrested on Friday, all have since been released, with four on bail and facing charges of swindling within an organised gang. I'm confident that the four given bail will turn up at Court at the appointed time for their trial.
I'm at a bit of a loss to understand from Madge in France just what David Cameron has to do with this scam. Its has nothing to do with the government and as much as I'd like to say it, not even Gordon Brown is responsible for elements of this scam. This is purely a banking issue where the profits of banks comes ahead of adequate security measures. Chip n Pin technology enabled this sort of scam just as labours ID card idea would make people far more vulnerable to ID theft once the codes are cracked. Whilst the losses through scams to the banks remain below a certain percentage, banks accept it as the cost of doing business even if it causes major problems for their clients.
Whoops spoke to soon!
Every country has its criminal element and it matters not one jot where this bunch originated from!! Incidently, its largely because of the EU that we got a lot of our criminals back from Spain to 'do their time', rather than swan round the Costa Brava for the rest of their lives. I don't remember people then talking about how we must "get out of the EU"!!!
I dont see these guys as any more criminal than the banks. All these guys are doing is participating in the banking industry. Thievery, deceit etc. Whats the difference.
I wonder if those wanting all immigrants kicked out of Britain are the same people who think they should be allowed to park on private land without consequence.
This is why people are voting BNP - the only party interested in keeping Britain British.
More evidence that this country is stuffed to the gunwhales with slimy crooks, gangsters, and our own feral cretins. And as someone has already said.nothing will be done to deport this trash. They'll be allowed to stay, get a severe ticking off and left to run riot once more while claiming (fraudulent levels?) of benefits. Soon this country willbe without any thinking , sensible Brits and populated by the dross and deadbeats of the world.
To Mark of Barcelona, living here (look it up) I can assure you that a lot of Germans now say that they would gladly have the wall back up. I remember the first weeks when the wall came down and the "Ossies" came visiting. The "Westies" gave them all 200 D-marks, with no questions asked, "Welcome Money" they only had to go to any Bank or Post office with a DDR passport. Didn't take them long to realise there were no controls and they made repeated visits to various banks etc each time getting another "Welcome". We (W. German taxpayers) are still paying for them in a "Solidaritaets Beitrag" (Look it up).
Bring in the BNP. Stands for British National Party. Their the ones who can sort this country out and please do not say they are rasist. We are British so we vote for our British party.
As that ideot Brown keeps telling us we need them.
The comments here are too be expected (as is the ensuing red arrows I guess). These are criminals and poor people being easily led. There's no reason to suspect that British Nationals offered the chance of free cash, wouldn't have done the same thing. It's the fault of organised criminals not a governments immigration policy. The government has no responsibility for a bank's awful IT infrastructure!
Have not read the article but am happy to see Barclays have been robbed!
Another reason to vote ukip!
We have been ruined by these armies of foreign scroungers and criminals...out of Europe now..vote Bnp,that is what i will do if Cameron doesnt stop the terrible tragedy Labour has allowed to our country!!
The Sloivakians seeme to have learnded great lessons from the directors of the banking institutions..They have been robbing the banks for years ....A pity our law enforcement has not been as swift to put the lot of them in handcuffs....including Godwin who brought his bank to its knees and does not have to rob an ATM machine to pocket his illgotten gains...The tax payer,yoiu and me , take good care of him...His reward for greed and incompetance....and still in bed with HRH Charles and his chairities..
When you look at the overall amount taken it is hardly a fraud of any note. It not even a tenth of the bonus of an ordinary banker. Its more the embarrassment for the bank that counts.
Why are they out? So they can continue scamming?
When I was involved with Immigration enforcement work I regularly (nearly always) found that immigration offenders had credit cards, sometimes with high credit limits even though they were not permitted to work in the UK. Even when I informed the Card issuers that the holders were here illegally and due to be removed to their own countries I was rarely asked to confiscate the credit cards. Presumably the holders could then spend up to the limits in other countries. I doubt they paid off the cards. Banks appear to fall over themselves to give credit and have only themselves to blame for such losses.
if it was an arab country theyd be executed over here they might send them to a holiday camp
'Of the 34 arrested on Friday, all have since been released, with four on bail and facing charges of swindling within an organised gang. They were travelling in a Porsche Cayenne 4x4 which had arrived from Dover by ferry.' 34 in a Cayenne? Now THAT'S clever...
Amy, Bath: It will happen if the tories get in. The dream for all the politicians is to become a Euro superstate and have a president. Mr Tony Bliar is set up to become the (unelected by the people) President of Europe. They want the power that America has. They don't care about our country or our people. They let all immigrants in (illegal or otherwise) and give them citizienships and let them call themselves "British" and they allow them to vote ..and there is the crux of the matter. English may not vote for labour or tory but all immigrants will vote labour and the EU has told our government we have to take more thousands in, and they will do so because they are gutless. The EU bods must be obeyed. England will be dismanteled and become a region within Europe. There will not be any "Englishness" allowed. Take heed people, this is what will happen.
We need about 25 years of nationalist government. UKIP or BNP, I don't care which. Nationlist in the sense that they will put Britain first and the rest of the world second. Pull up the draw bridge on the incoming and clear out anyone who isn't legally here. In short, clean up the mess that this government has made and then ensure there are adequate controls in place befor elowering the draw bridge again. Britain has been sold out by this and previous governments in the interest of big business and their global ambitions for profit not social justice. All globalisation has done is to allow the criminal classes to roam the global preying on the innocent and corporations to redistribute poverty. This is what New Labour has abandoned the british people to.
Vote BNP... Stop this now..
It's all very well everyone blaming Tony Blair / Gordon Brown / NuLabour / the French / the Turks / the EU / immigration / Elvis Presley / whoever...the bottom line is that if Barclays weren't so stupid that "...unlimited money could be withdrawn from an account, even if there was technically hardly anything in it.", then this wouldn't have happened, would it?
This is one reason i will stay an ex pat!!! Such a shame.
Politicians have alot to answer for when they make decisions with such disasterous consequences. Countries like slovakia and romania were known to have notorious criminal gangs and thieves yet they were still welcomed into the EU. Money from the EU pours into these countries. By living the life of crime, stealing, pickpocketing and receiving benefits etc they send money to their own country and build mansions from the rich pickings they gain from western europe. This was only recently exposed in a documentary on TV.
"engage in its usual money-recovery activities." This means they will fleece it back from their investors.
This type of crime will escalate together with prostitution, the ever increasing drug problem and internet fraud as well as crime of every description. The reason why is that we are subservient to all the petty EU regulations that they throw at us. The three tired old parties are all for the EU and voting for them is voting for more sufferance. The only party that I can see to sort these problems out is the British National Party. Love them or hate them you can see that things are rapidly disintegrating in this country. Ignore them at your peril.
Theft from a bank is a crime! The Slovakian miscreants were caught and they will be hauled up before the beak and be given a severe slap on the wrist. On the other side of the coin, bankers were caught fraudulently emptying the coffers of billions and created an economic recession. For their efforts they were given huge bonuses. It looks like the banks are easy prey for thieves and frauds alike. As an incredible! How long will it be before we are told; "You local bank was robbed today. Therefore £xxx.xx has been deducted from your account to make up the shortfall"
As Tony Bliar said.......We need their skills......
When we agreed to open up our borders, who did they expect to get in, Goldilocks and the tooth fairy? Not with our benefits system ripe for the plucking and the police looking at thought crimes. Not a lot we can do about it really except thro' the ballot box.
'I have been voting Labour since 1997, but this is the only reason I would give my vote to the Tories. The tunnel and the immigration door must be slammed shut.' - Alexandrina, London, 14/9/2009 10:45 Whatever makes you think the Tories will close the borders? This is typical of lifelong NuLav voters who have become disenchanted with Brown and his henchmen. They fall for the BIG LIE that the 'other' Party will be better. Lib/Lav/Con are ONE Party. You can include UKIP also. They are ALL, without exception one hundred per cent committed to taking us into a Federal Europe and destroying the nation state. In fact we are so far into being obliterated as a nation state that, short of a revolution, it is probably too late to recover. The sadness lies in the truth that most of the electorate are ignorant of what is being done. The awakening will be brutal but much too late. Very clever really, the way they've fooled most of the people most of the time.
The Slovakian Government is run by the Mafia, believe it or not! So I, for one, am not surprised. I enjoyed my stay in Slovakia. They are really nice people and they take care of their country. HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When my elderly neighbours were burgled, the Police did not make any arrests. The perpetrator was found in the Danube, having failed his swimming test!........... We know, because a rather sharp little man told us........ The old folks did not get their valuables returned, though...........
How come that a scam using Barclays bank cards suddenly becomes a forum for political debate? How about turning on Barclays and asking them about security against fraud because there's obviously a lot of work to do, regardless of the political party in power!
Tragic that these people are living here in comfort while honest citizens, whose forefathers fought and died in the wars, are struggling to live a decent life. Why do you think house prices are so high? Because of the huge numbers of foreigners like this living in them.
It's not just the Slovaks.Here in Oz we've had a wave of ATM fraud perpetrated by Romanians.
"What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged - cassandra, nottingham, 14/9/2009 09:42" I cant believe that there are people who actually think this.Who are YOU to make such judgements? The dreadful day for us all was when USSR had destroyed Hitler to keep britain free,perhaps we could start from there? If you are not happy being in EU,than vote for the anti-EU party.And forget about the benefits of being a EU citizen.
I've said it before I'll say it again: LIBERALS = ULTIMATE TREASON
Madge Blair, France - Excellent. Totally agree with you...
When will this country get it's head from out of it's backside and realise that the majority of Immigrants, have lived up to now by their wits and by any means possible to simply survive. That means they are Street Wise, don't give a monkeys about the Authorities and will run rings round anybody in this Country, many of whom, quite frankly would have trouble changing a light bulb, without assistance from their computer. Face the facts, we are simply unprepared for the sort of scams that these people regard as normal life.
Just One Very Small problem here Once upon a time we had a Head of State. Namely Her Majesty, The Queen. No we have to answer to a Load of Unelected Politicians in the EU, and soon , to the President of the EU. Blair. Will the Tory Party give this country the Referendum as promised and take the UK OUT OF The EU. Then start to clear out all of the Garbage sent here by the EU. You are of course at liberty to tell me that I am wrong in what i believe. Pat
One of the "joys" of our membership of the EU it that every criminal scumbag in Europe has a legal right to come and live here. And, as is increasingly obvious, many have done just that. As the planet's population grows, so does the number of people involved in crime. Our only hope of avoiding being literally overrun by such people is by exerting very tight control over our borders. That means letting in a lot less "tourists", "students", spouses....and leaving the EU asap!
The Criminal Paradise of Great Britain. Send us your rapists,murderers,thieves and general scum. What an achievement for this lame government.
If anyone thinks that our Dave is going to do anything about all this, they should forget it. Dave is as much in love with the "EU dream" as all the other un-democratic load of swindlers in Westminster. They couldn't care less what our children and grandchildren have to put up with, living cheek by jowl with criminals, - they don't! Its the same here in france, the political pygmies who run this country are all living on another planet as well, and their corruption is as great as in England. Nobody is going to get deported out of all this, after all, they are all crooks together, aren't they? So they will look after each other. Until we have a party in Britain who cares about the British people more than lining their own pockets, this will go on and on!
The chickens are coming home roost now showing how stupid this country has been, we have let in every Tom Dick or Harry, legal or illegal when they do wrong they are allowed stay claiming asylum and benefits instead of being sent back to their country of origin, we sent back a terrorist to die in his own country , it will never change now the floodgates have been opened so long we are drowning in our own stupidity. GREAT BRITAIN no GUTLESS BRITAIN run by morons.
O ! I hear you all yelling but I bet you vote for a party thay will just carry on with it ??.
What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged - cassandra, nottingham, 14/9/2009 09:42 Yes what an awful day for a country to be reunited, hatred banished and the reunification of 2 powers. You are evidently a total philistine (look it up) please try to source your information from the Mail or other such periodicals (look it up)
Labour.. Open door policy eh? Crime pays. - Rick, Newcastle uk It was Ted Heath who tricked the electorate into joining the EEC, try and get Dave to promise a referendum for withdrawal from the EU. That's all it would take to guarantee a tory government.
I'm sure this wouldn't have happened if the Tories were in power
Not one red arrow comment so far, I think we are all singing from the hymn sheet. POLITICIANS TAKE NOTE!!
What on earth are we thinking about lettin g all this scum into our country and paying them to live here before our own people. We used to be a wonderful place to live, but now we are the rubbish of europe and the laughing stock of the rest of the world. Check on anyone who wants to come into our country before they even get to the borders, not after they arrive here where they can easily dissapear wiothout trace. When we travel abroad we have to go through border control with our passports etc, so how is it all these criminals are aable to get in without any problems. Disgusted of Bournemouth.
So Barclays blame a 'computer bug'. Sure do take us for mugs, dont they. It was their crass incompetence that was to blame. But what do they care? It will all be paid for in the charges that every one of Barclays customers pay. Thankfully I am not one of them.
We should get out of the EU now. Borders should be re-established, policed & enforced aggresively. Financial migrants should be sent home forthwith & not be allowed back (as should all immigrants who have commited any criminal offence). Human Rights should be abolished forever (the only people who seem to use them are those intent on criminal activity in any case & have no respect for anyone else's). The vast amounts of cash saved from the EU budget should be reinvested in our own country & distributed by qualified, competent professionals to help the masses & not just the few (not MP's or defunct MEP's)... Message sent to Santa early!
the french made 34 arrests ...I bet you they are sent back here instead of there own country .
So much for the holy grail of "Chip and Pin" security.. Wait till labours Id cards come in the back door.. Every detail of all our lives up for sale. Still voting marxist.?
I agree with ALL comments. It is time that we CLOSED our borders and GET OUT of the EU!!! I think ANY British citizen would vote for the Party who promises to take us out of the EU. Come on David Cameron make us that promise PLEASE!!!!!!!
"Out on bail". That's okay then, they'll disappear and more will take over and rob us all blind. Don't you just love the justice system, all for the criminals one and all !
build a wall dividing east and west europe and introduce severe border controls and kick all the garbage out.Which ever poliical party sorts out the mess will et my vote. Harry, a true brit.
Well thats a shock, NOT.!!! All living in our country, bleeding everyone dry and out on bail. Great. the party that takes us out of the stupid E.U. gets our vote.
I suppose it was organised by the government as part of thier attempt to balance the books.` Using slovacs to carry the can is a wonderfull idea, after all they are some of our better imports, they steal overseas and bring the cash to the UK. Now all we need to do is use them to train our MPs.
Perspective: The money was taken from a massive, multi-national company that made £6.1 BILLION PROFIT last year. That's a 0.005% loss in profits. If this happened to you or I (and you or I earn i.e. £25K a year) it's the equivalent of having about £1.25 stolen from you. £1.25!!! I lose more than that down the back of the sofa each year..... With banks having illegally taken around £5bn from customers every year in penalty charges, this 'loss' is a complete joke.
What a lovely people. We give them safe haven and the chance to make a new life and this is how they 'repay' us. No pun intented.
One has to ask the question WHY these foreign criminals choose to live in & target this country for robbery, theft, scams, fraud etc etc. Answer is simple - our Government has made it so damn easy, the EU is happy for them to be "our" problem & even if they're caught we still pay the cost of keeping them in prison. We have a proud history of being a refuge for the oppressed but these days we're the oppressed, suppressed and damned depressed!
If our police know who they are they should be arrested and tried over here. Then sent back to Slovakia to do their time.
This shows just how grateful they are to be here in OUR country..... NOT satisfied with ALL the FREE BEEs they get from us tax payers ...they take more....Deport them all
How lucky we all are to be members of the EU.
I have the perfect defence for these money loaders. They were on a mission for Bully Brown - "Quantitative Easing'....
These fine upstanding citizens of Europe who now reside her, probably on benefits, along with murderers and rapists, etc., that we have inherited courtesy of our beloved masters. They will probably be returned to England, allocated Probation Officers, given new identities and round the clock Police Protection. That is of course, after they have had medical check ups, and been assessed to see if they are eligible for any more benifits due to a change in their circumstances. Have I missed anything out.? Well they will get the appropriate advice. I know the advice the man in the street woukd give them. We have to get this Labour lot out, then get out of Europe.
Far from putting a stop to the outrage of having to house, clothe, feed, breed the hordes of foreign criminals and freeloaders who are here and arriving here daily, the EU is now proposing (and will do, as they are the bosses) to "share" out the zillions of 'refugees' from the Third World (who are rather inconveniently still in 'their' countries) with us -- after all, it's only fair isn't it. We've still got a bit of standing room here. GET US OUT OF THE EU!!! LIKE NOW!! Cameron, note! You've got one chance and one only!
Good luck to them,any crook from abroad who wants to cheat the British system get over here as quick as you can,its so easy for you,do a bit of thieving,if you get caught they will probably give you benefits until your case comes to court,if it ever does,and you will almost certainly only just get a telling off,its a piece of cake.the police hardly ever prosecute fraudsters,Westminster has turned the UK into a gangsters paradise,large and small.
Yet more foreign criminals 'based' in Britain. We must be the softest, daftest, most gullible nation on God's earth. Why the hell can everyone else see the truth of open-border policy but the government cannot?
While our lads are giving their lives to fight terrorists overseas this bunch of idiots known as our government are letting criminals, just another form of terrorist, into this once decent country.
Ah the joys of being forced to have this scum living in our midst because our politicans haven't got the foresight or spine to retreat from EU membership. We entered for trade reasons and remain for, God only knows what reasons; the benefits are miniscule compared to the burden, not only financially but culturally and socially. We must get out of the EU and reclaim our right to cast out the increasing career criminals descending from Eastern Europe.
Cassandra, Nottingham The EU enlargement and the prospective EU membership of Turkey is one of the main foreign policy goals of the United States of America. Americans want Turkey on their side and they want Turkey inside the EU. The main advocates od neo-liberal capitalism and the main supporters od NATO are in eastern Europe. The ex-communist states have a socio-economic policy which is almost idential to that of USA and UK. This is why they are supported by Britain and the US. The mere fact that these countries were allowed to enter the EU is a price we had pay to keep the Yanks happy. And this is why Turkey will be allowed to enter, despite the pressure from Germany and France. Britain, unsurprisingly is one of the main supporters of the Turkish membership. The more countries that are in the EU, the weaker the central Franco-German alliance within it.
!"There should have beenn a 5 year period before citizens of an enlarged EU could come here. Turkey next!!!!!!!!!!!David Cameron, WE WANT OUT !!!!!!!" 1)there is a ban in most of the european countries.You,british,wanted to earn a quick buck on cheap labour and lifted the ban,so dont complain now 2)turkey won't join EU ever,cause its not even in Europe. 3)before you cry "we want out" dont forget that there are around 4 mlns of british emigrants living on the continent.
Are we 'trying' to import foreign mafia's??? Criminal enterprise should be a good reason to eject foreign criminals. Surely, it's a no brainer...........break the law.........off you go.
"close all borders NOW!!! - Fran ex pat, The Netherlands Ede, 14/9/2009 10:27" Lets start from you,our french parasite in Wageningen
I have been voting Labour since 1997, but this is the only reason I would give my vote to the Tories. The tunnel and the immigration door must be slammed shut.
I am surprized to see some of the comments like : "close the borders"; "london will end like Beruit"; "these countries have lived in poverty for generations" ..... The answer does not lie in the above mentioned. The point is that there was a loop hole in the barclays system as well as the legal system which allowed these criminal to move bail. These are the only two points which need to be addressed. The EU is there to stay and is part of a much broader picture - obviously incomprehensible by the readers making the above comments! A lot of people forget that when native Britons go abroad, some of them too have been known to be "thugs .... (footbal thugs for example) ..... murderers ..... thieves ... etc.... You get bad apples in every country and every walk of life and then there are white collar crimes also - for what makes them more acceptable than these crimes? We have our own share of bad apples amongst the native as well as settled migrants who call UK their "home"
Will they get deported? I guess not
thank you mr politician you have heaped the dregs of europe onto our country and now you are scared to do anything about we are on the very short road to civil war here as people are sick of it.
Welcome to the new 21 century England.
Crime is probably accounting for most of the 3million jobs said to depend on the EU. The rest are the bureaucrats.
When will this dim-witted, flat-headed, self-serving, incompetent shower of a Government claw itself for a moment out of the stinking morass of its own rank ineptitude to realise its short-sighted, hare-brained, amateurish excuse of an immigration policy has dragged this once-fine country down to the scum-laden gutter?
More "benefits" of forced immigration.
I hope to God that Turkey is not next, it's peaceful here with little criminal activity of this sort. Keep us out, PLEASE!!!
On bail, others released - you wont see them for dust. They ALL should have been locked up until their court case and then deported back to the place of their birth and be done with it.
Well done to Nu-labour for destroying our once great nation by allowing scum from all over the world to reside in the UK , I know where my vote will go and it's not the three main parties.
Another own-goal by our open-door policy... At least they are wandering off abroad to nick the dosh, shows theat tthey KNOW there is nothing left nicking in Britain, thanks to our excellent politicians (current and "retired") who have nicked it all for themselves.
You ain't seen nothing yet, wait until Turkey is allowed to join the EU and then you will see trouble in our streets. You have done a wonderful job of protecting other countries NuLabour while allowing the UK to go down the pan with the amount of crap you have allowed to pour in and to all you do gooders and PC loonie Lefties, let see how happy you are about human rights for all when your bank account is hacked.
After having Barclays phone me every weekend at 9am over money Barclay's stole out of my account all I can say, is it couldn't have happened to a more deserving bank.
Stupid New Labour, stupid big business encouraging New Labours immigration policy. At the end of the day the tax payer always picks up the bill. When is the British government going to represent British people? These clowns and their vote rigging election policies need to be gone. Sorry to say it but we need a Britain for the British government or we will have the BNP rising and rising!
No doubt they used their unlimited cash credit cards to come up with the bail money
Wonder how they managed to get through nu-labours "Tough new points system", this is just another example of the fine upstanding people labour are allowing to flood our streets. Please remember this in may next year when that clown woolas tells us all how labour have got immigration under control.
I agree with cassandra, nottingham, the end of the Soviet Union was a bad day for the west, the worst since WW2.
Cassandra Nottingham You alluded to the forthcoming rubber stamp job of allowing Turkey to join EU. Turkey has land borders of 269 km with Bulgaria, 203 km with Greece, 276 km with Georgia, 325 km with Armenia, 18 km with Azerbaijan (Nahjivan), 529 km. with Iran, 378 km with Iraq and 877 km with Syria. And each one of the borders can be walked across with a suitcase. So let in Turkey and you let in the world.
Get out of the EU. Close our borders and stop these criminals from debasing our society. Further stop paying benefits to all migrants.
They should be locked up and the key thrown away, but no they are released on bail, beggars belief how this country is being fleeced by foreigners to our shores. We should be pulling up the drawbridge and throwing out anyone that has broken our laws.
I don't want to know what Joe Public thinks of all this, I want to know what the Prime Minister's views are!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good old EU...the best thing that ever happened to us....NOT !
Are these some the people that make the valuable contribution to this country that we keep hearing about? - without doubt this government have damaged us beyond repair!
yet another crime committed by immigrants living in Britain. When will we ever learn. We have enough of our own underclasses without welcoming in those of our European Neighbours. Out of the EU now and close our borders. Revolution required.
Fran the ex-pat; Have you booked your ticket home??? Hypocrite!!
If you read the article properly you will see that they have ALL been released, because the 4 ringleaders were bailed!!!! This beggars belief, and was probably done in the sure and certain knowledge that they would all scarper back here, saving the French shed loads of money and effort in prosecuting them! How did we allow this once orderly and law abiding country to become a haven for the gangs and criminals of the world? Sorry to be un-PC, but most of the crimes we hear about, including inner city knife crimes and muggings ARE carried out by those who did not originate here!!!!! What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged. These countries have lived in poverty for generations, obviously they will head to places where the living and pickings are easy! There should have beenn a 5 year period before citizens of an enlarged EU could come here. Turkey next!!!!!!!!!!!David Cameron, WE WANT OUT !!!!!!!
They've been allowed 'out on bail' !!!! Do you really think they are going to hang around - nope they'll head right back to good old UK where they'll be safe with the rest of the criminals allowed in - close our borders now and shut/block the tunnel we have enough of our own scum without the rest of the EU's
Proves how disasterous the open borders policy from the EU is. Britain should refuse re-entry of these criminals back to our country. This is one of the reasons why the dregs of the world flock to the UK. Once they are here, they become untouchable by the law. They can do what they like.
No doubt they were shipped back across the channel on the first ferry available where they were no doubt met with tea, toast and train fare home!!!!!
I feel so proud that our ancient capital city is home to a substantial community of Slovakian criminals. We used to have our own small criminal class, that was easily policed. Now we have the dregs of the world setting up "communities". generally in subsidized housing & with their human rights protected at our expense. Unless we have a massive change of direction & soon, London will end up like Beirut.
close all borders NOW!!!
'armed police made 24 arrests...' why does the media refer to 'armed police' as if to give some dramatic edge to a story. In most normal coutries the police are armed as a matter of course, so this is no big deal, indeed most foreigners cannot believe that the police can or ar prepared to do their job here without a sidearm to protect themselves or the public.
Well thats a surprise, all have been bailed and released into to community, where they will vanish, never to be seen again. Until next time we are lucky enough to catch them at it. (or the French) Then what? Thats right, back to the start of comment.
And I suppose they have all returned to London with their ill- gotten gains without any check at our borders, ready to plan their next scam. OUT of the EU now, and seal our borders tight.
thank you tony blair and gordon brown well done......just more eastern european crime for france and the uk to deal with..........
Quantitative easing Slovakian style.
it is not difficult to bypass the security to access unlimited withdrawals from a Bank Card, but you do need an 'insider' to make the necessary changes to the accounts in question to allow unlimited withdrawals, the euphemism used here a "computer bug" is a term frequently used by Banks as a catch all for an 'inside job' the truth is bank and credit card fraud has never been higher, particularly internet related activities, if the Banks were to come clean over the billions they lose each year through fraudulent activities we would stop trusting them and they would soon go out of business, so we are always told these are 'isolated incidents' and 'computer bugs' the losses are insured anyway so the banks can afford to keep it quiet.
Can't see any reason why not! These people arrive here fully aware "IF" caught nothing much will happen to them. The same excuses will be used, we come from a country where we have had harsh treatment and for a better life or it's not our fault our mothers didn't breast feed us. Guess what ? The do-gooders stand for it and more and more criminals follow making lawyers very wealthy and the public here unhappy and living in despair. Ever thought it's been done on purposed.
Lets hope the French send them back to Slovakia.
Britain the dumping ground for the worlds criminals, thanks to the Labour government and corrupt EU.
Welcome to the European Union Dream. If this scam had happened in the UK no doubt the fraudsters would have been released on "insufficient evidence" from the Director of Public Prosecutions.
Lets hope they all get deported.Very nice what this open door policy has done for our Countries. This is what these people do best.
what do you expect these people from other countries think the streets are paved with gold and when they find out they are not then they help themselves to what everyone else has worked for,I hope the french send them back to thier own country , there is not enoungh houses and jobs anymore for our own people wake up britain and france don't let them in unless they have money to support themselves.
I really do hope the french authorities come down really heavily on these people and make a lasting example of them. A clear message this behaviour will not be tolerated. If this crime had occurred in the UK, our craven legal system would have probably given them a community service order!
Why can we not ban all suuch foreign criminals from entering our country? Would it harm their EC inspired Human Rights?
Unwitting accomplices ? the poor things must feel proper foolish now !!! Any way ...Foreign criminal gangs operating from the UK. ...what a surprise. Will these people be deported from England , when they of course come back to Blighty.
"The London based East European gang" just about says it all, NuLabours one great achievement, Britain crime magnet to the world.
i trust that those persons arrested are deemed as unsuitable to be in the UK and are imprisoned in France and then sent back to Slovakia, im not holding my breath !! more scum in my country .
This caused problems for ordinary travelers. I went to pay my hotel bill that morning in Calais with my M&S card. The process was 'abandon,' I informed the receptionist that my wife also had a card, thinking that mine had been damaged and that she would pay the bill. Unfortunately her card was also 'abandon,' Luckily, I had my Barclay card with me that went through with no problem.Upon reaching home I telephoned M&S to report that our cards had been rejected. I was informed that our cards were perfectly alright and that the two transactions at the hotel had been accepted, this now means that I have paid one bill three times. M&S say that I have got to contact them again on Tuesday, ( tomorrow ) so that they can sort it out. Hopefully they will have read your article and will cancel out the two charges.
This is the scum we are letting in to the UK and we must get out of the EU now. If anyone can give one good reason for staying in I'll give ten for leaving. The cost for remaining a member is both financially and constitutionally ludicrously high.
They will probably be sent back to London where they will be given a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again! The french should deport them back to their own country and they should not be allowed to set foot in Britain again. ( I wish)
"unwitting accomplices" How can they be unwitting, if they drew money from a bank account they must have known that it was a scam. Or why did they travel to France in the first place. I see the French Police have released them on bail, do they honestly think these people will come back? Yet another scam run by people this country let in because of the EU's rules. If we were not members of this nasty club we could control the scum that are arriving daily.
I expect the french will blame the british for this.
A security bug? How convenient for the criminals - coincidence, or an inside job?
This country has enough scumbags of its own. Close our borders NOW!
Poor old Barclays. All those decades of cash dispensers and still there is a 'bug' in their system. Someone in IT will be looking for another job soon, especially if the 'bug' was an inside job, as seems very likely. At least the crooks had the good sense to withdraw Euros! I wonder what Barclays will do to the people whose cards were used, presumably on accounts with zero or negative balances. Do they even know where they live? Or who they are?
Un-controlled immigration, un-controlled crime, un-controlled criminals. Lets get rid of this Government and control our borders.
Dimwit politicians are to blame
I see the banks are starting to realise that cutting back on computer security personnel was perhaps not the brightest idea, after all. Last week, I learned how low a regard banks had for people who have the skills to keep their entire infrastructure working: When my fiancee and I opened a joint bank account at Deutsche Bank, the teller needed to put my occupation into the computer system. The killer detail? They had no category for IT workers of any description!
Labour.. Open door policy eh? Crime pays.
kick them out ... like us all we live in home and pay taxes !!!! if they want to live in streets then they are welcome to go to where they come from , here it's NOT the way we live !!!! weak gouvernment .................
They're not daft. If they wait there long enough they'll be housed. I'm sure most countries would bundle them in the back of a car and MAKE SURE they were on the plane back. It's so sad we have to show such little compassion to our fellow human beings however these memorials are of huge importance to us Brits and don't want them desecrated. These people are a nuisance. They were begging at the Notre Dame in Paris when I was there. You have to watch your bags and pockets. I don't know anyone that would give a penny to them. Unfortunately it's only going to get worse. May I just add, the huge majority of Polish people who reside here work like dogs, are hugely bright and well spoken and are a credit to their home nation. Don't tar all Eastern Europeans with the same brush.
This is bloody disrespectful and it offends me. Its about time the Uk maned up and told these people to bugger off,. If they have no money or no where to live and no job then they dont come here. I have never seen anything like this in my life.
Lol at people blaming the Tories, this is labours doing if you remember rightly !
one way ticket
Enough is enough our small island can't take anymore, we are stretched to the limits, the NHS, schools, housing and employment. We are a laughing stock it must stop now!!!!
Instead of the DM constantly stirring this pot - and other similar pots - why doesn't it actually DO something about it. Start a campaign, hassle MPs whatever. Or would that be too much to expect?
If you say you don't want them here you're racist and if you try and send them back there's do-gooders who'll jump up and down shouting and fund legal support that'll drag on for years and cost this country a fortune.......while our own less well off are struggling to make ends meet.
All the people say give them a home.How about you let them live with you and you can pay for them if your so soft hearted and thats the problem sorted.Hmmm the silence would indicate a big no.Hypocrites
this makes me proud to be british..........
No other country would put up with this!
They are waiting for benefits and housing.
Poor Matthias. Imagine what life these people had back home that makes sleeping rough seem like a good alternative.
Remove all rights to benefits for five years then sit back and watch the exodus. - Ron, Birmingham, 6/9/2013 13:42 --------- Homeless people do not get benefits, due to them not having any fixed address.
A government with no backbone = A country left to self destruction. They just don't get it. The British people are sick and tired of our country being used as the dumping ground for the rest of the world. We are the ONLY EU country that tolerates anything and everything.
GO HOME!!!!
Easy touch England. Nothing Great in Great Britain anymore. So sad.
It's too late to moan about it, they're here. The more educated have been warning about this for years and yet the British electorate kept voting in the same old way. And guess what, there are a load more coming soon. If you don't like it, vote for one of the parties who will stop it, otherwise stop grumbling like a bunch of old women. There are people out there that could stop this, either join them, or live with it. Because quite frankly just bleating on about it, with solve nothing.
Instead of wasting money on imperialistic buildings, that should be spent on housing. Govt wrong again...build affordable housing. Especially in parks of london.....result would be few homeless and reduced house prices!!!!
errr if I dropped a sweet wrapper I might face a hefty fine....
"immigrants were offered free flights back to their home country" I'm sorry but there is no choice in this....force them on a plane and be done with it! If you're here illeaglly you should be chucked out!
One word is all that is needed - - UKIP !
Clean this country up Mr Cameron and get rid of all the rubbish.
Disgusting. They shouldn't be given a choice. Just send them home
Only a matter of time before they are sleeping on the back Benche's at the House of Commons ! Chortle Chortle Chortle
there's me thinking that they come here get a load of benefits straight away and a nice council house. strange way to live if that's true
If they are so obviously sleeping and living in these spots, then where are the immigration department? Why have they not swooped in whilst they were sleeping and taken them to a holding area and sent back to their own country with a red arrow on every computer system that will stop them from returning. It's hardly rocket science and yet immigration seem unable to comprehend even the simplest of actions.
why do we not charge them (there are many statutes that can be used if the authorities had the guts), get them convicted in all-night sittings in magistrates courts, put them all on a bus, take them across the channel and drop them off? Oh and take their full details AND fingerprint them so that if they are caught again or try and get in the Border Agency will be able to deal with them - which they cannot at the moment!! Any clothing left lying about is an offence under the litter acts - so pick it all up and burn it - no ifs or buts! The well funded pity-me industry will no doubt use the HRA to try and stop it - but since we are not doing anything other than giving them a free trip back to france - tell me what is inhuman about that! PS Fully agree with most of the above too!
Welcome to cameroons uk.He does nothing about it ,but wants to attack Syria,putin is on the mark,nobody but immigramnts is bothered about Britain.
I watch from afar and I shiver !...............
What an awful mess this country is in.
edward heath started this when he RAMMED the uk into the common market (EU) tony and gordon made things worse dave WILL NOT TACKLE THE PROBLEM only U K I P will vote how you will but think of your children and granchildren
UKIPS not the answer..can they gaurantee they will stop imigration,read their manifesto first.
"Why aren't the Left Wing Loony Liberals campaigning for the Government to give them each a house,- Dave , Alicante Spain" - Er this is why the bedroom tax was introduced and why our young people are no longer being given social housing, so the Lib-Lab-Con can give the housing to them!
pick them up and send them back to where they came from. Don't give them a chance to shout HUMAN RIGHTS. This country is going down the pan fast.
ship 'em back
The various local fire services need extra training exercises and should conduct them at those sites which are in danger of damage from careless fires started inadvertantly by unauthorised occupants. Thus, the fire services should 'damp down' these sites, preferably at dusk and dawn, to minimise the risk of fires breaking out.
Where is the compassion?? These people are homeless , they sleep on the streets. How is that OK in any circumstance. You wouldn't let your dog sleep out in the street so why is it OK for these people??
Time to send in the forty per cent of police not investigating crimes, to round them up and ship them out!
Ian, London. its not only the middle class who work. not everyone working class have 10 children and do not work. ignorant
I'm hoping for a harsh winter
Why don't they go home the UK is a third world country now,they are better of back home.
You should not get access to this country if you don't have a job to go to, or a job that can support you.. go home !!!!
My God what is wrong with you all?? can you imagine having it so bad that you rather sleep on our cold streets (our month long freak heat wave aside) than in your own home?! I can't. Have a heart DM readers and no that doesn't mean we should 'let them all in' just show compassion. Nadya , Canvey Island, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:22 ++++++Excuse me but I USED to have compassion but enough is enough and I have been driven to this by seeing my own nation being ground down. And Nadya I bet there are thousands and thousands who have had to go down the same route,
Nadya, Canvey Island. If you feel so sorry for them, let them into your garden and clear up the said mess the next day..It is one thing to have nowhere to sleep but another to leave litter and disrepect behind .
@Nadya , Canvey Island, United Kingdom I guess from your name you're also from this neck of the woods otherwise you wouldn't have such a big heart? The UK, or any other country, is not a dumping ground for people without the means to support themselves or
get them arrested and deported...forget human rights and the EUSSR, simple.
Xenophobe much? no? what would you call this?
Get them ALL on a boat and back across the channel NOW but sadly they won't prob. get a house soon !!!!!
I would like to officially thanks Tony Blair and Gordon Brown for everything they did for this country.
Chuck them all out, we have no room. They are NOT adding anything to the country, they are taking it away.
The only people let in should be tourists, business visitors, those visiting family and those who are relocating to work. We have a major problem in housing our own homeless without importing them.
No good deed goes unpunished!
Where are all the human rights crowd who I thought they would be helping these people and maybe clearing up the mess they make. No to busy talking about it rather than becoming involved with the dirty end of the stick, whilst nice and warm in their nice house's. It is their fault we are in such a state in the UK.
Isn't the E.U. wonderful. Much more Europe please.
My wife is Bangladeshi and she studied and worked 5 years in London. At the end she returned to Bangladesh because the Cameron government made it almost impossible for educated and hard working tax paying non-European (!) people to stay and work in the UK (my wife NEVER asked for benefits). But at the same government welcomes lazy drug using rubbish from Eastern Europe to disturb the common people, spoil the system and plunder the UK. Good luck UK!
Asylum, Immigration...........where we were once so tolerantnd welcoming now we are just plain p'd off and exploited! Vote UKIP and stop the insanity destroying our country!
Ms May has been too busy targeting and destroying the family lives of respectable hard working tax paying British citizens and families with a non EEA spouse by denying them a UK visa. Which she doesn't do with EEA nationals. If Ms May got her priorities right and tackled the real immigration problems this would not happen!
If they are immigrants without jobs or homes then the best thing is to send them back to their own countries. Aid money we spend abroad should be diverted to this, also deporting illegal immigrants. However, the issue of rough sleepers in London is a difficult one. I used to work in a gallery on the Bankside a few years ago and we used to find rough sleepers outside the front doors in the morning. The front of house manager was very kind and used to give them coffee and biscuits, but he would also tell them they had to pack up and leave. At that point most galleries were charging entrance fees, so we would have had no visitors and would have lost about 10k in vital revenue. Telling people to go made us feel awful though.
And that's why I moved to Australia!- Shaz , New Zealand, 06/9/2013 13:17 --------- don't you mean New Zealand?
just please vote UKIP! ...all three other parties,& they really do not care! Calcined Bauxite ,13:22------ Agree with most of your comment EXCEPT for the Ukip bit. Do you think they are any better than this lot? They are politicians after all. Next time you see the UKip candidate - ask how long it will take to come out of the EU (for which I am 100% in favour). They will NOT mention about "SEVEN YEARS"!!
just tourist coming to see the royals.
"and one hangs his coat on a peace sculpture" for crying out load folks, PIECE!! - Bob, Redditch Bangkok, 6/9/2013 11:30------------------------------------------hahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!! my word, how EMBARRASSING!!!i'm cringing for you!
And immigration is still classed as good for the economy.How can it be good,when we have this problem
What the heck! Kick them back to where they came from - sod PC.
Captain Steve- arrest them and then what? Put them in our warm jails where they are fed and watered with our tax payers money?
put them on a bus to Tony Blair's house or any of the old Libour cabinet, this is what they all planed. Not Fit to govern, ever. Come on down UKIP
How about a reminder that basically, what these people are is POOR??? Nobody sleeps on the streets because they choose to! Does it disturb you to see poverty when you have your latte macchiato in the morning? Is it ruining your mood? Sure, it's better to see pretty flowers then hungry homeless people. And on top of everything, they are not even British! I mean, we could somehow tolerate the poor if they are British. But foreign poverty? That is really not acceptable. What if you would lose all your material possessions tomorrow and people would be disgusted at you because you sleep on the street, what would you do? Run after them and say, no, don't hate me, I am British not eastern European?
Any immigrant with no job, place to stay or enough money to support themselves should be turned around at point of entry and deported. We have enough benefit scroungers that would rather live on benefits than work,
Blame the bankers
Why do we struggle in stopping these people from coming here..we live on an island!!!
Good grief! its publicised and nothing is done. Get them out!
Just move in some armed guards and dogs and that should do the trick.
Thank the politicians and the Human Rights Bill for the mess this country is in. Have you noticed that it never affects the people who have created the mess.
so take and incinerate any 'rubbish' they find hidden in bushes and at night get the pressure hoses out to 'water' the gardens.
Get rid - problem solved. Vote UKIP.
Meanwhile Cameron is in Russia telling everyone what a wonderful country Britain is.
Well it's only set to get worse. But don't worry according to our politicians we need them, what for I do not know but they are good for industry apparently.
It's time to close the doors to our once great nation!
My beautiful country as I knew it is no longer we fought off the Germans in the last world war so we could live in peace only to be let down by our own successive governments my god my for fathers would be turning over in there graves if they were able to witness the fiasco in theses troubled times and those that sacrificed there lives would be wondering what on earth for.?
And Cameron's more worried about what's happening in other countries than his own...Tories OUT!
Shouldn't there be a export trade in this to the Eastern European nations whose property they are.
Third World UK and being sold out by every greedy politician with their hands in the till.
Surely it is against human rights to take their crack pipe of them Tut Tut
Roll on winter.
so many gave there lives for this country if only they could see it now, they would think why did I bother.
IF they dont accept the free ticket home from the UK taxpayers.... send em to russia to sleep on the streets..
Why do we tolerate this? - Angered , Manchester, 06/9/2013 13:17---------- Because we are fooled into thinking we live in a democracy...but we dont...
If this is what happens when it is illegal for them to stay, what does anyone think will happen when we can't keep them out?
The idea that people can move freely around the EU is a good one, but I'm sure it was meant to benefit the countries involved, not end up leaving them being a dumping ground for all sorts of people. My friend in China, who could, given the opportunity teach Chinese, or even maths in England, will have to jump through so many hoops to be able to remain here. The criteria to be allowed to stay in this country should apply to everyone from whatever country they come from. That way we can control who enters
I've stayed a while in the uk for my studies... it deeply saddens me to see such foreigners misbehaving on, well, foreign turf. It's a great country if not for all these trash!
SOMEONE SAVE US FROM IDIOT DAVE! ..... - nr , wigan, 06/9/2013 13:23............In case you hadn't noticed, the rot started when Dave was still in short pants.
THANKYOU TONY BLAIR
Tony and Cherie Blair have lots of open spaces in their various properties, try camping out there. But on a serious note, this is the changing face of Britain, instigated by Labour and the Europhiles, nothing will change for the better until we ditch the corrupt EU and it's unelected stooges along with those MPs who would take us into a FEDERAL EUROPE.
Dave - you must get your priorities right and get things sorted at home.. These rumblings of discontent are getting louder by the minute.
if the law of this country dont do nothing about it, then dont moan about it, after all we let them in to run riot so only one person to blame, these foke have no money no job no home, WHY ARE THEY HERE
The answer to all this is simple ,give us our referendum on our continued membership of the EU now,be,fore we are completely taken over For once Cameron listen to the people instead of surrendering us to Europe.
Beautiful London is now the pits.
we have got the same in France.....
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing. - Ken Draper, Amersham, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 12:55 They probably were the Westminster Council litter people. It has all been privatised and they now impose fines for littering, so they have got us both ways, no where to place litter, no one to clear up and we then get fined!
CAMERON you gutless muppet. Kick them out
Cleaning up used condoms and human excrement - just about says it all. How much lower can this Country sink ?
I, along with everyone else, am fed up with immigrants but, I get angry when Brits keep blaming Cameron for what's happening! It was Blair that originally opened the flood gates so that he would get the votes and, it was Brown, who then sold us out by signing the EU treaty. I agree that we need to cut the amount of money sent in foreign aid but, in this country, Cameron can do nothing at the moment, and frankly, UKIP if they ever get in, may try and halt future immigration but, I can't see them being able to change the damage already done by Labour, either! Just remember at the next election that votes for UKIP may make you feel better but, I seriously don't think they would get the leadership and, you will just be strengthening Labour's hand again!!
I blame Blair and Brown - they started this process. In the history of or geat counrty, have any other two individuals done more damage?!
Send them home, whatever the consequences. Immigrants like them cannot contribute to our society!!
Send them back to the EUROPEAN country that they came from, no human rights issues, no wars going on therefore no reason to put up with them !!
Water cannon should clear the detritus, try it!
The Gov has to get real and close, or get control, of the UK borders. The police should go in and round them up and then we should depot them. They are bringing nothing to the UK.
at least without an address they cant claim benefits - Ian Edwards, nottingham, United Kingdom, 06/09/2013 12:23 Lovely to see your readers are as compassionate as ever! These people aren't using heroin (unlike the 'usual' residents) aren't causing aggro and are just trying to better themselves - unlike a lot of 'natives' Why not look on the bright side, Mr Edwards - at least they're using condoms, so there won't be many damned single mothers or child benefit claimants... Oh I forgot, we already have millions of those!
THEY SHOULD GO TO CARLTON TERRACE AND SET UP CAMP ON ALL BLAIRS OTHER PROPERTIES, TO SEE WHAT HE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY HOPING HIS DREAM OF BEING PRESIDENT OF EUROPE WOULD BE HIS PRIZE.
This is disgusting. Take them to their embassy and get them to sort out their own people.
The council really needs to step in and set these people up with some homes. - Johnny260 , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:19------------------------------------------------------------------- What a load of tosh name one country a British person can walk into and be given a free home, why dont you take some into your house as you are so generous.
THANK YOU LABOUR ANYONE MOANING JUST REMEMBER WHO CAUSED THIS AND VOTE UKIP
They'll be joined by plenty of homeless Brits in the coming months. Thanks, IDS!
Get them out now. Lets stop this now because we will start having to look at dodgy ugly shanty towns.
Disgusting blight on all of our lives, to be honest I'm struggling to think of what they can contribute to our economy.....nope still nothing. No job with paid contributions, no home, no English = no room here I'm afraid. At the end of the day this is costing us tax payers money cleaning up the mess they leave and having to send the police in to move them on frankly I'd rather public monies are directed to a more positive use.
Because, like many people who come to this country, they don't care about our way of life, our traditions, our history, or what we hold dear. They just want money, money, money and we give, give, give!
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to **************. strangely enough you do, but for some reason Britain don't follow their own rules ???
taking the place of british vagrants who will not doss down there? well done tony gordon and dave look what you have not done
tHIS IS A RESULT OF VOTING LABOUR FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.ROUND THEM UP AND SEND THEN HOME
I would love to see them pitch up at the Blairs residence and leave their filth for them to rot in!!
welcome to dog-hole britain........
Have you seen that programme ,,, the UK BORDER AGENCY ......it makes me laugh , its the best comedy ever written......and their staff are the best comedians ever produced,
I know the police are raiding and moving them on quickly - but they are only moving them onto another spot, so it's just a vicious circle. If they have no home, they can't get a job, if they can't get a job they have no money, if they have no money they turn to crime to survive.
If this is your definition of Eastern-Europeans, I suppose the Brits are all loud, uneducated, disrespectful, misbehaving, drunken lager-louts who happily throw their hotel furniture out of their window - as we see them here, in Eastern Europe.
'If they're not there, if we move their sleeping bags like we are told to, some guys get angry.' ============================== They get angry if you move their sleeping bags ? ! What do they think this is - claim staking Klondike or what ?
Maybe Dave can stick it right up Putin and show these pictures as an example of current British success and why he should be taken seriously.
Labour's new voter base.
A disgrace. That people are sleeping rough irrespective of where they choose to sleep
Kick them all out and deal with EU reaction Later. It will be years of talk or hot air.
This is the European Union for you!!! Or once great Country!!!!! Patricia, Romsey
Get them out!
Catch them. Deport them. No appeals No Lawyers. No problem.
Why can't they be left alone?! - Tandoori Nights , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:17 ............... So you wouldn't mind getting up one morning to find them camped in your front garden, then, complete with detritus and human waste?
Hopefully they'll all disappear off home come autumn when it starts raining constantly and turns really cold. Not sure they're going to be happy sleeping in a soaking wet sleeping bag. No doubt they'll become ill and then will be using up NHS resources.....
I've just returned from the clean, optimistic, city of Chicago. I'm ashamed of this dumping ground that is the UK. UKIP is the only answer to our burgeoning problems.
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to Britain? - BayouLimey , Baton Rouge, United States, 06/9/2013 13:18 Because we're part of the EU! If were independent like the USA we could refuse them entry!
Send your thanks to people to continually vote LibLabCON and fail to understand the word 'democracy'.
If they have nowhere to stay - pass a law or do whatever is necessary to order them to go back whence they came, finger printing them when they came to the UK would have helped but I understand this isn't being done- why?
Yet again another reason not to vote for Cameron. UKIP is our last and only hope. Cameron will promise to act but every promise he made has been broken.
Bloody well kick them out. What is wrong with us. We're a "little island" quote, unquote. Leave whatever political groups we are in as a nation that says we have to "cow Tao" and start again before its too late.
The coat on the hook is cute.
At around eight o'clock the group packed up their sleeping bags and blankets and stashed them in bushes that lie directly in front of the museum............................if they stash their sleeping bags and blankets during the day why not just burn them........
Blair's Britain...!! The free dustbin of the world at tax payers expense!
Remove all rights to benefits for five years then sit back and watch the exodus.
You can thank ALL the left wing hand wringers for this mess, if this is what social cohesion and tolerance is all about, then I want none of it............UKIP your time is NOW!
Why are they letting in people with no jobs, money or accommodation? Can you imagine going to America like this - you would never ever be allowed in.
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing. - Ken Draper, Amersham, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:55 - KEN YOU'RE COMMENT MADE MY DAY, I LAUGHED, YOU ARE SO RIGHT, HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
They look rather clean and tidy to me.....DM can't help winding up its readers who by chance fall for this BS every time...well the gullible ones do.....
Chill, they'll leave soon, as soon as their nice new council houses have been refurbished and the benefits they've claimed start pouring in they'll be out of the way.
Round em up and stick them on the ferry
Next it will be Buckingham Palace,
Referendum on the EU rather than scrabbling to send bombs into Syria David Cameron???
How about sending them to Scotland if they are so keen on leaving the Union and joining the EU. They can then have them all. Thank you TW London Good to show we are all in this together you really make me want to stay in the United Kingdom...FREEDOM....
Wow! Well for all of you in your cosy little lives not being forced to seek better circumstances. All they need now is for for shallow selfish people to mock them and claim the ground they sleep on. I find this incredibly sad. I doubt any will say they chose to end up like this!
They can't even build up or improve their 'own' country - what use are they to ours?.
If they are out of work with no where to go, how did they end up in Britain???? Go home!
Kick them out.
How is this allowed??
Reduce the numbers in both Houses of Parliament and double our Border Control staff
Isn't it about time we had the bottle to sent them back where they came from if they cant support themselves, we don't here of Brits doing this in their country
Eagle eyes, London 13.08 Yes, you would think Cameron would use common sense and do that, yet he must abide by EU Dictatorship rules of allowing free entry into UK to ALL from other EU countries. The only time we can get rid of any of them is if they are wanted under an arrest warrant, then they can be deported. Otherwise they can remain here for ever, but Cameron will not be telling the public that.. UKIP ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL END THIS MADNESS AND TAKE BACK CONTROL.
And they said it wouldn't happen. Never mind, our Liberal coalition partners must have a plan in place. That's why we voted them in.
Doubt they would stick around if the police moved in and had the Fire Brigade hose them down regularly. If they cry, 'Human Rights', escort them to the airport or docks and ship them out.
The people are slowly waking up ! even in America they are questioning their leaders . I am too old now to make a physical stand ( did that in the 1960's ) so I am now bombarding my MP and the Government with e mails . Even if they don't read them in person, we know a big doughnut in Cheltenham that will be reading them , SHUT our BORDERS once and for all , we can look after our own country thank you very much , we do not need 500,000 immigrants every year , we have many young people to do the work . AND MR CAMERON , if they will not work , then they should starve . THERE never was and never will be a free lunch !
SHUT THE DAMN DOOR! is this what b-LIAR meant by immigrants benefitting our country, it seams that immigrants are the only ones who 'benefit' from this disgusting dumping ground the eu and it's rules and our duplicitous government have turned OUR country into. France threw these people out if only we had some patriotic adults in government we could do the same. VOTE UKIP.
Russia dismissed Britain as 'just a small island no one pays any attention to." After looking at these photo's, I can see how the Russian and the rest of the world think this way about Great Britian. What have you done to our beautiful country David Cameron? ----- Marg, Melbourne, 6/9/2013 12:49 ----------------Cameron may not have done a lot to correct it but it was Blair and Brown who deliberately messed up by "rubbing the right wing's nose in it " -their words.
Only the Daily Mail could care more about a monument than the fact that people are homeless.
If we stopped giving unwarranted and thankless financial aid to countries like India/Pakistan to nurture their space programs we would be in a better financial situation to just round up this scum and send them packing PRONTO.
This country lets anybody in, come on over lads - Britain is an open house.
I went on a Chiltern train from Birmingham to London 2 weeks ago with my sister who is nearly eighty and visiting me from Australia, the train was full of people speaking their own language and lots of small children taking up many seats as we stood There was food all over the tables and floor and I felt embarrassed that a train that in the passed was a delight to go on was like a third world transport My sister was horrified and did not feel well after such an unpleasant journey and was pleased to be traveling back to Australia
its now that europe could/should work - if we stand fast with france and germany we would have so much more weight in the world - the 3 countries make an economic superpower and britian-france makes a military superpower - yes i know, red arrows, cos you don't like forigners !
Go home. We have no homes for you, no jobs for you, no place for you...we do not want you. Go home....sorry if that sounds too 'right wing' for some, but time to wake up and smell the coffee. We're a busted flush for those already here: total national debt, current and expected, matching that of the Weimar Republic. We're on borrowed time with our NHS, welfare and pensions. There IS no room at the inn. When the proverbial does hit the fan - and it will in the not too distant future, with debt projected to double within five years - we're all done for, both the drivers and the passengers. Sorry, but open arms are a luxury we can no longer afford. The gates are closed, the doors bolted: find another mug. We've been haemorrhaging money for almost a hundred years through this misguided notion of the 'welfare state' - it's bad enough being bled by our own: you will bleed us no more. Go. Home.
Damned if you help them guilty if you don't.
Does any politican care about this country and the people that pay their salaries and tax. This should be top priority clear them out never mind their human rights, anyone with any decency would do this to monuments and the like. Needs to be sorted as soon as they arrive no good six months down the line when they are fully settled in.
Terrible. They should be housed in a taxpayer funded house for the time being...
If you want to stop this then get out and vote in 2015. Dave and his dog will never grow a pair and will continue to let anyone in.
Employ men to patrol parks and turf this riff-raff out as soon as they settle down. If this type of behaviour is allowed to continue, things are going to get very ugly in the near future. The British are a patient people, but they will only put up with so much. That "so much" is very close now.
How is it right that a country cannot prevent vagrants, beggars and the mentally deranged from entering our nation to ruin it? Oh, it's called the EU. Ofcourse Romania and Bulgaria want to join, it's a win win situation for them and lose lose for us. As usual! Sick to the back teeth of it.
Ruins everything that Britain once stood for... but that's alright Cameron, you just deal with Syria... Because that's OUR! biggest problem at the moment... Oh wait.
dont worry esstern europeans just try get use to the weather not long left until you can stay forever! and u ll be staying at richest areas in london meanwhile im buying my parents a property in another country
Why are our politicians so gutless?if there isn't a law against vagrancy,stop dithering and damn well pass one
They must be better off in their own country than here living like that!
Reason 8 billion to vote ukip
Okay so there is dog poo, used condoms and a crack pipe found in a Public space. How is this tied to Eastern Europeans, I don't get it ? Are we saying they all brought their dogs with them and get enough money off the social to but crack with ?
Your comments:no worries, they gonna be there only for 3 months after that they entitled to start claiming benefits :-)
Outrageous - deport them all!
After the vote against military action in Syria our leading political leaders said the UK must consider its position as a WORLD POWER. Yet we can't even control these immigrant vagrants. But our Parliament could rush through the gay marriage bill. Nothing like getting your priorities right is there Dave?
These people who comment about DM readers not being compassionate. Well just remember we DM readers are part of the majority of Middle Class England who have to pay for this mess. Not you. And also remember if the majority think this way then maybe you could be wrong in your views. Easy to be an idealist goody goody 2 shoes isn't it. I mean I would like everyone to have money and nice houses etc. and no starvation or wars in the world but it's never going to happen is it and people like you are part of the reason it won't.
round 'em up and ship 'em out
Won't affect the politicians who live behind their iron gates and travel in their chauffeur driven cars! Sorry guys. you will just have to put up with it!
All courtesy of EU Dictatorship membership!, things will only get worse till we get OUT!.
It's long past time to ask: WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED TO YOUR SPINE, BRITAIN?
How come they are allowed in the country without a job, accomadation sorted, and money. Oh and isn't it wonderful this open border system. They are flooding in their droves from Britain for a better life to places like Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, who incidentley can't do enough for us over there.
We are now an international joke....
Something should be done, but nothing will be done, as long as we are members of the EU there is only one answer _ Vote UKIP in next year's EU elections and let the LIBLABCON know what you want with only UKIP MEPs representing Britain in the EU parliament next year .
My parent come to visit me as I work here. I feel really embarrassing when they saw many homeless people sleep in such a lovely spot! That not what they imagine about UK!!
Absolutely astonishing that the UK is one of the richest nations in the world, yet we allow homeless migrants fowling our streets without batting an eyelid, it's about time Theresa May listened to the electorate and sorted our borders, immigration and many other issues, this country cannot cope with the mass influx of migrants and the migrant baby boom, we as a nation are being placed on the back burner by our own politicians and are bowing down to every nationality which walks into this country, wake up England and sort it out.
The Imperial War Museum...commemorating all those who fought and died to keep this a proud country, safe from foreign invasion...until politicians sold us all down the river.
The government don't seem interested, this country is ruined
Me here London 12.07 Dont show your ignorance there is hardly a cashpoint up here even in remotest Highlands that has not been scammed.WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY HAVE STOPPED IN london.GET OUT MORE !
So they are homeless and smoking crack in the UK. Could a government official tell which one of their immigration checks these people passed. If they didnt we all know where they are, send them home. It is so simple.
Thank you Tony Blair, for screwing up our country.
They would be cleaned out from Downing Street pretty quick!
at least without an address they cant claim benefits
We all welcome you greatly with open arms to this glorious nation. now entering is more easy.
They do have a home just not in this country
Australia's got it right, you have money in the bank and a trade before they even CONSIDER letting you in! - SOMEONE SAVE US FROM IDIOT DAVE!
Close the gates... We are full!
Should be easy to resolve this problem. I assume the land is private, not public property. If so, arrest these people for trespass. If it is public land then arrest them for littering. Either was, the law has been broken and to ignore this is just a form of discrimination against the British people. Captain Steve
Being balanced, it doesn't matter whether they're Afghans, Somalians, Polish, Latvian, Romanian, etc. ALL people since the dawn of time have migrated to improve their lot, better their lives, live off the fat of other lands. I don't blame these people. However, when our economy is messed up, the nation in debt, jobs are scarce in many cities, shouldn't we use common sense. No job after a certain period & you go home. Same should apply to British migrants in other countries. Current situation is ridiculous.
My God what is wrong with you all?? can you imagine having it so bad that you rather sleep on our cold streets (our month long freak heat wave aside) than in your own home?! I can't. Have a heart DM readers and no that doesn't mean we should 'let them all in' just show compassion.
Coming to a park or spare bit of land near you and me most likely.
It is just stating the bleeding obvious! that's what you get when groups of people "doss together! fed up of reading about it!! just please vote UKIP! its disgusting! Sticks in the throat to say it ! but what a bloody mess this country is in & there are people responsible for it! & started 25yrs ago to the present lying conniving lot!! yes all three other parties,& they really do not care! never will care! & the scams that they are up to at the moment is amazing!because of UKIP! that is what holds their attention! so expect another one of the three parties to pop their heads above the parapet & promise something about sorting that mess out!! but you know they will not!!
Immigrants were "offered" free flights home? They should be rounded up and ordered onto flights home. Instead of the government wasting millions on high speed trains, failed technology in the NHS etc and spend the money on border controls and port security to cut down on illegal I am sure anybody, whatever their political persuasion would approve.
Oh the joys of being controlled by the EU
Bring back the "normal" British summer and they'll be washed away in no time :)
SEND THEM HOME! WE'RE FULL!!
There is no great in Great Britain any longer thanks to all these rich so called educated politicians. They have systematically destroyed our once wonderful country!!
Let me run the country I would have it cleaned up within 6 months, the EU wouldn't like it though!
We should house these people ASAP. It wouldn't take much for them to join an already diverse English culture. it' s not that we would notice any significant change.
What happened to being vetted before entering a country?
The council really needs to step in and set these people up with some homes.
They should sleep rough on the doorstep of No10 Downing Street - that's where this mess emanates. - Candy, UK, 6/9/2013 12:18............No chance of that happening Candy. What do you think those big gates and policemen are there for? Good lord, we cant have riff-raff and peasants bothering Mr Cameron and his friends while they are trying to enjoy a nice tax payer funded luncheon, and discussing the next part of the EU plan to reduce this once great country of ours into a dumping ground for Europe's unwanted and undesirables.
Stuff the eu send them home
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to Britain?
Why do we let these people in? They are of no benefit to the UK.
Why do we tolerate this?
Deport them...good for nothing and a drain on resources let Poland deal with their own!!
And that's why I moved to Australia!
Why can't they be left alone?!
And it's only going to get worse after next year. Much worse. Cameron needs to get Britain out of the EU NOW. Ah, why bother? Britain has been given away long ago.
Just keep phoning the police till the system crashes then the government wil have to do something If not our country will be no better than theirs
In a civilised society no one would need to live like this. - RogerdeCourcyJones Me and the girls from the office - Jenny and Sarah - think you are COMPLETELY missing the point, son!
If they have no where to live, no form of income and are sleeping on the streets, surely its a matter of 'get out of our country', not please would you mind leaving, please pretty please, errrrrrr we will even pay. Welcome to the eu. We are very quickly becoming the toilet of Europe. Cameron, stop pouncing about with idiots like Obama and come back and sort this out. The people would respect you one hell of a lot more!
What the hell is happening to our once great country?
Donna.....you say your 100!% English Lol. Your actually a mixed mongrel made up of Roman , German , French , Danish etc etc etc that applies to all the English me included We can even be traced back to marsh Arabs ! We ENGLISH are one of the most mixed races on the planet
Disgusting! Flagrant disregard for the message of peace and the memorial to those who gave their lives.
When are the government going to say enough is enough. As long as Mr Cameron is in charge NEVER which is why i will be voting UKIP. We need to pull out of the EU simple. Why dont the governent live beside all this and see what its really like. All their rubbish everywhere. We need to be like Australia they will only let you in if you have so much money, a trade and under 45 yrs old.
They wouldn't get away with it in any other country. My god the UK is in a ridculous mess (literally!).
I am unable to understand why we cannot solve this minor issue the people who run this country are useless and spineless collect them all up put them on a bus take them to Brussels throw them off tell the EU you made the problem you deal with it. I am confident the hard working people of this country would not lose one nights sleep.perhaps we would probably give the person who gave order a job as a poliitician.
More should be done to stop this behaviour. Maybe they should get the cleaners/groundskeepers to sneak up on them early and make them clean it themselves. I hate Brussels and their stupid Human Rights rules as we wouldn't have as many immigrants without it.
One of the guns they are talking about was on a ship that my grandad served on so i find it really offensive that they are being so disrespectful of the Imperial War Museum's grounds.
The politcians tell us that we need these people to help us with the job market ???? They obviously are living in a different Britain to where I live. Parts of West London are now out of bounds to us but I have yet to see any of them making an honest pound and paying tax.
Blair's Britain!
Before people start complaining about this behaviour, remember, if you voted Conservative, Labour or LibDem, you voted for open borders and this is the consequence. - John, Portsmouth, 6/9/2013 13:06....WRONG! Regardless of how we voted, NONE of us were consulted or asked if we wanted to turn our country into a freeloaders paradise! That said, I will never vote for Lab/Lib or the Conmen again!
Why, for goodness sake, are they allowed to remain in this country? They have no jobs just pick pocketing etc. The Council should make them clear up their own mess? To hell with the EU and their ludicrous laws, it's about time we should show these useless people the door, and make mess in their own country.
For eastern Europeans , sleeping rough is like a 5 star hotel .This country is terminally sick .
We all just sit and let it happen, We vent our anger posting comments in newspapers which is not enough because the Government turns a blind eye. The clock is ticking until possibly tens of thousands more people come into the UK seeking work that does not exist so thanks to EU law they will be given benefits and housing if they have children. Time to sit and reflect as we have become a Peter and Paul nation, taking off Peter the tax payer to give to the thousands of Pauls.
Is it not time we used the Human Rights Act 1998 to our benefit? According to HRA Article 5.1 (e).....Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person. No one shall be deprived of his liberty save in the following cases and in accordance with a procedure prescribed by law:.....e)the lawful detention of persons for the prevention of the spreading of infectious diseases, of persons of unsound mind, alcoholics or drug addicts or vagrants;. If these people do not meet the description of Vagrant I don't know who does. Arrest them all and deport them immediately.
Only the UK would be stupid enough to let it happen. Go to any of their countries & try it!, a good hiding on the way to prison would be what you'd get. Come 2014, there will be 100,000's doing it, turning this country into one huge vagrants dumping ground. Pathetic!.
The Vagrancy Act 1824 is still on the books. Arrest the whole damn lot of them.
OUT OUT OUT
Blame Tony! - NIck Addison, Great Missenden sick to death of idiots like you tony has gone hes past finished blaming him isnt going to slove the problem now get it !!!! fast forward to the present - there you are - reallity check
Why not round them all up fill up a plane or two and deposit them back to where they came from at taxpayers expense, which in the great scheme of things would be cheap!!
Where do the Eastern Europeans go when winter comes and where are all the millions going to live who will arrive in the next few years? zzz!
Fantastic! So glad they setting up home in affluent areas and we can all thank B-liar and his liebour followers for this - if you want this sort of thing vote liebour if you don't vote UKIP. Dave & co can't do much about it because it was all signed and agreed, along with a load of extra money by liebour with the EU.
And of course, they cannot be send home because that would violate their human rights.
In other countries there's get thrown in a cell and fined but here we give them benefits an offer them housing. We're pathetic
Round them up and put them on the next RAF flight back to where they have come from. Stuff what Europe tells us what we can and cannot do in our own country.
Round them up and Deport them!!! Should be simple and would send the right message to any others arriving! If they have no job and no form of supporting themselves they should not be in this country.......
Outrages!
Here's an idea. If someone entering the country for anything other than a holiday has neither a job or a place to stay, send them back.
It is SHAMEFUL - but why does the person who's been instructed to move their stuff imply that she doesn't do so because the "guys get angry"?? What the heck? They SHOULDN'T BE THERE!!! Let them get angry! If they don't like, find somewhere else - preferrably in Vilnius... Hasn't the Peace Garden got a sprinkler system? If their "stuff" got a good drenching perhaps that would encourage them to move on... And don't talk about compassion... Is it compassionate to doss in a public space that's been dedicated to peace? Bah!!! UKIP will DEFINITELY get my vote!
Get out of the EU and end this maddness
SHOCK! HORROR!! Man hangs coat on granite slab. WHO CARES? Just give them council flats and be done with it. They arent any lazier than the average brit
This is awful. Do something about it cameron! Bet he wont. Waste of space.
The British employers that hire illegal immigrants get a paltry fine.Why.
Can't people see these human beings are desperate and have nothing and little to hope for
is britain now a refugee camp?
What a miserable existence they must lead. Why can't they lead it somewhere else!
so nice to see the EU in all its splendour without border cointrols, and people can travel anywhere and treat the host country as a toileyt
they manage to get here so they can manage on there own to go back.......... stop being soft cameron and grow a pair ........ at the moment they are pinhead size
How about sending them to Scotland if they are so keen on leaving the Union and joining the EU. They can then have them all.
I could weep at what's been done to our country, and everyone seems helpless to undo the damage done.
The UK government should start recharging the countries that these people come from for all the costs incurred cleaning up after them and all the other costs related to them sponging of the UK tax payer
Nowhere to go?? How about home?
Instead of get rid of these mess our interfering busy body of a prime minister wants to interfere in syrian affairs this cameroon should get his act together otherwise he will get his fingers burnt come the 2015 elections his liberal ideas does not wash with the majority
Why even bother coming here? - Big Al, Nein jan, when they are legal in jan 14, benefits, free health service , housing, there feral kids in schools,no doubt like the rest of eu migrants they will then take presidence over brits , comes to something now that police cant be called when they attack staff trying to move there just were do the supposed people in power here think its all going to end
Water cannon ...
Deduct a substantial amount from our 'overseas aid' contributions to pay for the adequate security of this area. Anyone (British / Foreign) who disrespects this area should be locked up and the key thrown away.
Cameron only likes to be on the World stage feeling important and giving our money away who cares what is happening in UK
I could not care less about Park Lane. Let the poor and rich mix, I say. But a war memorial?? No. Just NO.
NO wonder people want to vote UKIP-get out of the european community Mr Cameron.
Deduct a substantial amount from our 'overseas aid' contributions to pay for the adequate security of this area. Anyone (British / Foreign) who disrespects this area should be locked up and the key thrown away.
The British Border control really needs to tighten up! We should adopt the policies of Australia where if you cannot prove that you can fend for yourself, you do not even touch the soil!
The guy in the second pic is quite hot. And his tshirt says " sex instructor". I guess he won't be homeless for long!
Is it beyond out Border Control people to work out for themselves that we should check that someone arriving in this country on a ONE WAY ticket should be asked how they think they are going to support themselves, unless they can prove they have sufficient funds and/or a job to go to? It's what America, Australia and New Zealand do. I have a UK passport and when I arrived in Norway of all places on a one-way ticket I was quizzed for a while until my "sponsor" arrived to sort things out!
Lets hope for snow this winter, that should get rid of some.
So what happens in December when thousands come from Romania and Bulgaria, where will they all pitch camp? The government seems to be concentrating on everything but this matter despite the fact it will have a HUGE impact, so why the silence, is it because we have no power to change the EU rules? I think so, yet they can't admit it or it will give a further boost to UKIP.
The UK is a doormat in all senses of the word. It has the words welcome written on it and you can wipe your feet on it before going in.
Given how scruffy and poor these people look.. How an earth did they get into this country?!!! I just don't get it! If they came in via the back of a lorry, then they are illegals, and should be picked up daily, and thrown back to their country daily...
This country is being brought to its knees by our useless politicians many who spend time on outside jobs rather than do the job they are paid for
I'm surprised Cameron has not donated 52 million of money we have not got for humanitarian aid to these tosa's plenty room in the grounds of 10 Downing St, and at Parliament come one come all.As a well know primemister once said you never had it so good.
Welcome to LibLabCon's multi-culti utopia!!
Glad to hear they use condoms
Welcome to Britain ! Before we know it we'll all be living like this ! #bedroom tax
How can anyone go to a foreign country without anywhere to live and no job ?
Where is the respect shown to this country when they come over here and treat some of the areas in London like this. They should not be allowed in unless they have accommodation and a job to go to, its not up to us to provide for them, we have our own people that need help. Maybe instead of sending them home send them to Brussels let them sort the problem out.
In a civilised society no one would need to live like this.
well heres hoping that the only option they are given when winter kicks in is home
Just the beginning! Those in power who make these decisions, of course, do not have to look at or live near these sights.
Once their here its to late if the police arrest em what they gonna do with em? put em in a cell feed them somewhere warm to sleep they'd love it the damage is done alas it's only gonna get a whole lot worse.
And to think if all the money I've spent on hotels when in London! Why didn't anyone tell me i could set up camp in the mist exclusive areas in town????
Deport them!!
Are the big guns metal? Scrap Metal?
Your comments: Cant they sleep rough in there Country.. Long way to come just to camp. Pfft.
Thank you Labour for causing the problem and thank you Tories for not dealing with it.
If you try to sleep at Trafalgar square, you would be told in no uncertain terms to move on.
Lee , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 12:19... They can go back to their own countries for help. Why should we help them? We have enough of our own people who need help. Charity begins at home.
The homeless Lithuanian even had his washings up. This would have been hilarious if it wasn't serious. It is only the beginning. Brace yourselves for 2014
We need them to sleep rough outside Westmister, so that the EU-loving MPs (of all parties) have to step over these symbols of Freedom of Movement of Labour to get to their work ! Bottom line is that this is the cost of EU Membership - but all we hear is that Nissan might close down if we get out. NO THEY WON'T. PS I see the G20 leaders are togther....why are Baroso and Van Rumpuy there - can anyone tell me what COUNTRY they rule ?
In other countries, you have to ave a hotel or friends address to state where you will be, along with your visa.... Somehow I don't think "dissing own in the war museum" counts.... Please auK, just get real, firm and practical with these people, and round them up and kick them out!
And this is a benefit of being in the poxy EU?
The problem is Obama might see anything we do to dissuade this sort of nonsense would be seen as tyranny and we'd be bombed Don't blame the UK police for this mess, blame the politicians
West made a colossal effor to destroy USSR. Now Eastern Block countires citizens are all yours - enjoy!
Neighbours of ours have just come back from a holiday in UK. They said never again as it was filthy! I only left UK 10 years ago so what's happened to a once lovely Country?
When is the government going to get the message that the British people do not want these people in the UK?
We are finished if we stay in the EU, soon we will be completely over run. I have to vote UKIP in the next GE, they are the only party that will get us out.
Major failure of border control, this is the result of thoughtless austerity and getting rid off border officers, not only at the first point of entry, but having the man power to round these people up and ship them out. new rules of entry should include a deposit paid to the Govt to cover the return back to their country, no deposit no entry.
This is what the Vagrancy Act 1824 is for: use it! It is illegal to sleep on the street or beg. Take a leaf out of the book of the French: round 'em up, line them up immediately in front of a magistrate, convict them and put them on buses back home within 24hrs.
instead of sweeping up excrement why dont they sweep up all the immigrants and put them on a plane HOME wether they like it or not!! unbelievable what goes on in this country !
Don't expect Daveto do anything; we are already no longer a Nation that means anything in the world, just ask the Russians.
Another benefit of uncontrolled mass immigration
This is a joke,And Cameron wants invade Syria, clean you own country's mess first, No wonder Britian is not Great any more,
This is the result of EU membership. We need to leave but the majority of us will still vote liblabcon the party's that to keep us in. If you intend to vote liblabcon them don't complain about this sort of thing. If however you really want to do something positive , VOTE UKIP and persuade everyone you know to do the same. It's the only way we can start to change this country for the better.
Send a fire engine in and hose them down - keep doing that until they get the hint Not PC, neither is abusing a memorial site
And still our doors are flung open wide for all and sundry...
Tip of the iceberg, as from next year these people in their droves will be everywhere and many sleeping rough, as a regular feature all over the place, when let in under EU ruling.., The UK homeless nationals, will then pale into insignificance in comparison., fact not speculation.
Put the sign up "NO VACANCIES" we are full
AS PUTIN SAYS, LITTLE ENGLAND, Europe's dumping ground.
You can thank your government for that...
Why let these people in the country if they are not going to benefit our community
They're turning the place into a slum and I for one am sick and tired of it. Maybe they can choose Downing |Street for their next toilet
At beginning of next year all from Bulgaria and Romania can claim benefits on arrival by saying they are self employed, and bringing their families will guarantee them immediate accommodation, all courtesy of the UK tax payers. It is no use complaining because it is EU Dictatorship ruling, and pro EU leaders like Cameron may tut, tut, but will still comply. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP TO TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR COUNTRY, BECAUSE NONE OF THE OTHERS WILL, OR THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT BY NOW.
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
What do we expect, we have got no respect for our country anymore, why should we assume these lot will. So angry to see my country being pulled apart, breaks my heart to see a lovely country being ruined and nobody will do anything to stop it happening.
And the Rt. Hon Cameron announced at a meeting recently in Kazakhstan, that he personally would like to see the EU extended from "the Atlantic to the Urals!" Is this the opinion of a man who would ever lift a finger to enable the UK to leave the EU ? Never in a million years. The only politician in this country who will offer this opportunity to the electorate is Nigel Farage and UKIP. Cameron and the rest of the liars, traitors and conspirators in the ConLabLibdem consortium will destroy the UK, unless action is taken at the 2015 General Election. VOTE UKIP.
Yes I'm going to bitch again about your immigration policies. Canadian here with a fantastic work ethic - take great pride in paying my way through life through hard work and a member of the Commonwealth to boot!! Nope... can't move to England!! We only let everyone in Europe with no skills to speak of in. Thanks. Everytime I read this stuff I am INSULTED. I have wanted to live in England since I was a child and I just. simply. CAN'T. Does anyone understand this reasoning? GET OUT OF THE EU.
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214, hannover, 6/9/2013 11:46 Let them move to Hannover with you. Lets see your compassion
What ever happened to the vagrancy laws in this country? or will this upset the human rights laws? just asking. Sorry I have to say this but if they are living as vagrants surely they should be sent back to their own countries.
they should sleep on their own consulates ground until they fly them home.
MPs tell us regularly the immigration is all good. Don't tell me that they lie?!!
Russia dismissed Britain as 'just a small island no one pays any attention to." After looking at these photo's, I can see how the Russian and the rest of the world think this way about Great Britian. What have you done to our beautiful country David Cameron?
Calm before the storm, maybe this will be the straw that finally breaks the Camels back, doubt it but its time the British public grew a pair and demonstrate that enough is enough, politicians of all persuasions need to realise that your average citizen has had enough of these blatant abuses of the system, they come here with no money, no, education, can't speak the language and have no specific job skills that will benefit the UK, if Cameon put in as much effort trying to sort out these festering sores in the UK as he did trying to bomb Syria then possibly we could solve this issue, doubt he will though as he only likes to be on the world stage.
No job, no home, get rid simple really but then again country been taken over by leftie liberals who ignore majority defend minorities .
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
Doing the jobs we won't do!
Enough is ENOUGH
- terence , derby, 06/9/2013 11:54 Terence. The MPs do nothing, because their masters in Brussels will not allow them to.
How disrespectful - this needs to stop now - we are not a nation of tramps
Blair has plenty of spare rooms.
Well if the British kids are quite happy to pay hundreds of pounds and sleep rough at a music festival then these people should not be criticized. Of course they shouldn't have been allowed into the country without sufficient money to live here for at least 6 months or already have a job and I don't think begging and stealing can be classed as work. Instead blame the governments both current and the last one. If those in power can't be bothered to deal with this, then it is up to you to make a change at the next elections. People need to write to their politicians and warn them they won't be voting for them if they don't do anything about it.
Round them up and ship them out, freedom of movement within the EU did not mean this, that said they shouldn't have been allowed in the EU in the first place.
HMS UK is sinking ... when will anyone with power over my life put there by a "democratic" system that I was taught to embrace actually realise the truth...?
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
its going to get far far worse just wait until next year 1rst of January i believe another influx of immigrants, i just dont want any part of this worldwide social experiment anymore what was wrong with leaving countries as is? its not like we dont send billions to poorer countries, i want out and just having recently becoming a father im terrified as to what its going to be like in another 10 or 20 years i fear his in for a tough life an unfair one at that.
and it's only going to get worse... when will this country EVER find its backbone as regards immigration.
Will you go away.
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
Gee...thanks Labour
How on earth did they get into the UK?
The Roma complain about persecution in Romania where they behave as they do here. Bearing in mind what a soft touch the UK is and the availability of FREE Legal Aid, I see a Human Rights and compo claim coming any day now.
If we did that in Romania and abused one of their monuments in such away then we would rightly be arrested and deported, vagrancy is still a crime. Unfortunately every morning on the streets of London you see the Eastern Europeans stashing their stuff for the day before going begging and it is becoming more and more of a nuisance, as it is very aggressive begging and in a lot of cases tantamount to intimidation. This problem needs to be sorted and soon before the next influx.
The politicians should be the ones clearing up their mess every morning, not the museum staff.
These people are not homeless, they have homes in their own countries but chose to come here to try to live off our benefit system. With sights like this in a 'sacred monumental garden' is it any wonder that this country is an international laughing stock that no one takes any notice of any more.
Roll on winter and let's hope it's a really cold one.
Round them up and put them on a bus. Take them to the Romanian Consulate and let them take responsibility.
If they are not doing anything worth keeping in the country deport them back, let their own governments look after them!!!
Wait till early next year.....
Ukip them out
And it can only get worse unless we leave the EU before 2014. Round these people up and send them home, our country is full thanks to the EU which has brought us nothing but ruin.
They should go home. We don't have any room for them.
The young man who wanted to work I feel sorry for, as he has clearly been cruelly misled about the availability of jobs in Britain. The others, however, who come here with no intention of working, should never be allowed in to trash our country. If the only way to stop this is to vote UKIP, I certainly will.
Close the border to those that cannot contribute to our society or afford to live here....enough!!
Disgraceful - ROUND THEM UP AND SHIP THEM OUT- no if buts or maybe's.
No job? No home? Then go home to your own country and let them take care of you. We have a hard enough time looking after our own. Harsh, I know. But I wouldn't go their countries, sleep rough and make the place a refugee camp.
Here we go again-no wonder Putin remarked that we are of no consequence-what is going to be done about all this??We have to restore 'true' British pride!Unless of course we are all hot air....I wonder how Nigel Farage would have responded to Putin I must say Cameron looks completely downtrodden and ill at ease where are our 'staetemen' gone??
May I suggest automatic garden sprinklers to go off every couple of hours!
What is the government doing, this country is going to pot.....no more Great Britain!! something has to be done, put a stop to all this, sod the European Courts they don't live here! now our kids may have to have 3 days schooling per week due to the influx over time...........not worth having a government at all its a joke
Its called the socialist dream or as they put it the International Worker!!! It was the end if Britain as we new it the day they signed the Maastricht Treaty! And if you want to learn what they have for us in the future the study the Frankfurt School of Marxism! I can assure you those trade union leader have studied it well! That why they are desperate to fund like minded Labour Politicians!
This is what David Cameron as done for the country, more immigrants are on the way and hes not prepared to do anything about it.
I run a homeless project and have been asked by local government to open many more......homelessness is the only growth industry at the moment it seems........another tory legacy.
I'm surprised they haven't been given their Mansions in Park Lane yet, give it time for the ECHR & EU to force the government to give in and give them all the benefits.
Thousands of their countrymen and women will flood into Britain in 2014, if we all bit the bullet and Vote UKIP in 2015, by 2017 Thousands will be going back over the channel, UKIP is our last hope, mess this up and we deserve all we get. and GET IT we will.
How do these Romanians get in the country to LIVE ON THE STREETS? Yet a Canadian with a career and clean record & British born grandparents cannot get a green card in London. That's messed up. Someone there is making the wrong immigration choices
Thank you politicians all, who have led this country to the bottom of the cess pit.
Italy - Population 59,685,227, Area 116,347 sq miles, Population Density 512 / sq mile. France - Population 65,350,000, Area 246,201 sq miles, Population Density 301 / sq mile. The whole UK - Population 63,181,775, Area 94,060 sq miles, Population Density 662 / sq mile. Anyone else see a problem here? The fashionably PC lefties won't be happy until we're crammed in like sardines. We're Europe's dumping ground for people like this; no wonder the Russians said what they did, decades of inept leadership have brought us here. I had hoped 'call me' Dave's defeat in Parliament would have made him realise it was time to get his own house in order and sort out problems closer to home... A vain hope indeed.
What a joke this country has become. Can you imagine this happening at any monument or in the US ,particularity anything related to the military.... and while we are at it ... where are all the immigration officials checking the credentials of these people? I would have thought it was an easy win for them to fastrack a few deportations.
Referendum now! Let's get out of Europe, rip-up the EU Human Rights document (and write our own), secure OUR Borders and deport (and no amnesty).
Omni88, Oxford, UK - Cool. When can I move in with you then?
Don't know who I despise more. Th flotsam and jetsam of the Planet portrayed in the photographs above OR the kow-towing politicians who bend the knee submissively and appease Merkel and co... OR those who for the last 70+ years have voted those weak-willed 'politicians' into power... Perhaps, unless it really is too late, time for a change, UKIP anyone?
you don't give them the choice, just send them back
Disgusting!
Why come to England to sleep rough?! Stupid and pointless. They won't make their fortunes here! - Tintin , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 11:54---Well they will if they are stealing and begging and not paying for anything.
On the other hand, more and more people leave everything up to the police and the law. Some parents even think school should educate their kids. People need more common sense and more implication in the life of their community. All the selfishness and the personal ambition granted by overselling politics lead nowhere good.
Reply to ................Kendo 214, If the shoe was on the other foot, and these people were hanging articles of clothing on monuments and using the area as a public toilet in and around you . Would you be as tolerant . I think not.
Blame the European open doors for the mess. Get out Of Europe or renegotiate the terms to stop these people coming here and ruining the country.
Will the Government please give me a free flight out of here. No so we just have to abide by the rules and put up with it. So so sad what they have done to this once Great Country. Time to put things right for our Grandchildren. Like my Grandad did for me.
Is this the Modern UK ?........... couldn't they set up camp outside Buckingham palace instead
Enough is enough The country is FULL , close the doors for 2 years sort out those who are willing , want and should be here to contribute to our wonderful country and we we welcome those with open arms. For those who don't , its simple move on...
GO HOME!
Im sorry, but i am sick of these kind of immigrants. My dad came here in 1973, worked every single day, paid tax and made sure we went to school, got a job and paid into society too. What the heck is wrong with these immigrants... and of course the in house benefit scroungers. Makes me so angry!
Deport. "homeless" + gates.
What happened to the 'Vagrancy Act'?
My patience has snapped where immigration is concerned. I have had enough, I won't be served by them, or visit any establishment that employs them. I don't care what happens to them, I just want them to go.
This is just a preview of what is to follow from January 2014. STOP IT NOW before it really becomes too late
I bet this wasn't the life they were promised back at home if they came to Britain. they really should go home if they can't find work or a place to live. It's sad that people have to live on the streets and take desperate measures but they chose to come here. There are British people in the same boat in their own country! help them first!!
and still mr cameron does nothing a benefit to the economy eh? a benefit to the country eh ? bringing diversity eh ?
Remove the policeman from the final photo on this article and turn it black and white. that picture could of been taken in the 40's. what a joke of country this is turning out to be. send these tramps back to where they belong, their OWN country.
Falls in to the category of why am I not surprised. Until 'we' do something about this it will carry on! We need someone in parliament with a set of dogs danglies .
Put the hosepipe on them at 06:00 hours every morning, that should do the trick.
Yes Putin got it Right. Tramp-Land UK compliments of > Guts UK Gov. Vote UKIP to put it right. :)
Oh come on. These people know what they are doing - they sleep in some of the most obvious places until someone comes along, feels sorry for them and get them setup in a nice house with all the trimmings. Get themselves in the papers is a good way to start.
I think these Eastern Europeans in this story are in for a rude awakening? Wait until next year when more of the countrymen arrive here and start taking up spaces these people have found. Let's see how they deal with overcrowding around national monuments and parks. I have a serious question? How long do you think it will take for the government to react to this mass influx of squatters? Usually the man and woman on the street see the problem years before the government move to address the problem and we see it now. So we KNOW it will massively increase from this "minor" problem to a huge problem but how long before they do something about it?
Welcome to Broken Britain
This is what you signed up for when you voted to join the EU. Be careful what you wish for.
Our politicians will not do anything because they get their palms greased by the EU. Not a chance of us withdrawing from it. Corruption and fraud is endemic
How many stories like this before SOMETHING IS DONE?
No other country would allow this. We are importing thousands of people who will never contribute , but will be a drain on our economy. Please, please act in the national interest, for once.
Thank Labour for that one.
They should take a look at how the Australians treat these sort of people. . . . If they do not have a good reason to be in Australia they deny them entry and send them straight back where they came from. . . Not having enough money to support themselves during their stay is just one of the reasons for refusing entry.
Disgraceful.
And there's an £80 fine for dropping a cigarette butt or a lolly paper in Bromley high street. The environmental officers are in action there all the time. What about a bit of environmental protection against these Romanians. Go home please.
Winter is coming the grasshopper will have to travel to Spain.
Why continue to let non-Brits stay? Worst day for Britain when you joined the EEC and opened the borders to everyone. And if these vagrants leave throughout the day, yet "store" their sleeping bags and belongings in the park, simply remove them when they are not there. This is just continuing their ability to return and camp there again. It's about time someone grew a set and stood up to these guys. Your PM has just made a speech about how great the country is (G20) - anyone in authority like to prove him right??????
To paraphrase part of the headline:- One hangs ones head in shame, and I'm not referring to anybody in the photographs. Where next I wonder, The Cenotaph?
Disgusting and ridiculous, the grounds keepers should not have to clean their mess up every day! Send them home! There's no room at the inn!
THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT
Do you think France would stand for this? A squad of riot police would have them bundled away in vans within a day. We are too soft.
don't worry the winter is coming, see if they still sleep rough on our streets when its cold, windy and snowing
They have ruined this country and made like theirs, nearly the end of GB
Round them up, kick them out of the country. If EU don't like it, tough! All this is getting out of hand, they need to act now.
Let them stay, no where else to go have they, plus they"ll soon be a tourist attraction for the Japanese with their cameras.
Where else should they go? They should be given council housing.
we should really be making more parks like this for them....who wants a council house these days when the parks are far better....good on them!!
They could go and camp on the property off all the ex labour government as they were the ones that allowed the mass immigration into our country. They will welcome them with open arms, as they expected us to.
<> like the lads sweatshirt "sex instructor, first lesson free" :-)
If I sleep rough would the government pay for me to return to my birth place?.......Canada? Maybe worth a try.
Think I may stop reading the mail online due to all the UKIP lovers. Yeah vote for a party that has an MP who thinks all women of child bearing ages shouldn't be hired and refers to Africa as Bongo Bongo land, yeah that is really moving forward. People in England don't know how lucky they are.
Bit of a come down from Park Lane slumming it in South London .Please let it snow
If I sleep rough would the government pay for me to return to my birth place?.......Canada? Maybe worth a try.
see how they behave in cold weather hopefully they just might go back to they're own country.
total lack of respect for this country SEND THEM HOME NOW
This is all so wrong but our government does nothing.
I know genuine foreign entrepreneurs wanting to invest and live here, they have to struggle to get a visa and yet these people from EU walk in freely to do whatever they like, honestly what a mess!
To the socialists and idealists: I hope you, and especially your children, are all happy. I'm sure you'll be even more self-righteous as the problems get inevitably worse.
I for one feel sorry both for the homeless and for the staff.
This is absolutely awful and should NOT be happening!!!! WHEN is something going to be done about it .... once and for all ???
It's about time we adopted the same kind of rules as Australia! I just don't understand how these people keep getting into the UK if all they are doing is sleeping rough in parks?? How does that benefit our country? Not really sure why they'd want to stay if they can't find jobs and are sleeping rough?? The UK weather isn't that appealing is it?!?!
Bloody joke of a country will NEVER change.
Maybe if the politicians had to overlook these camps or clean up their rubbish,they would do something about it
Round them up and kick them out, its difficult to work out. They are contributing nothing so send them home. They are just helping turn our country into the cesspit of Europe.
another bleeding heart liberal shutup ------Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46
They won't go back to their own countries because they are probably wanted criminals or have no education or prospects of a job. Better hang out here labour's benefits will eventually come!
'But if we move their stuff if they're not there, if we move their sleeping bags like we are told to some guys get angry.' "mon Dieu" Well we can't have that can we? It will never do upsetting our guests like that. This is just the "overture" to a very comic opera, G & S could not have produced a script like that. Paul Glasgow..."If this is happening every morning where are the police?" There's enough problems there without bringing them in. UKIP UKIP UKIP The ONLY way out of this c**p.
thanks for turning my country into a cess pit ... you useless so called leaders ....... roll on 2015 ..and UKIP
We do not need any workers here.We have our own British job seekers!End of!
Quick! Notify Blair that his concept of different cultures living side by side in unity is working well
Why even bother coming here?
If it were me seeing their parcels of whatever under the bushes they would be removed and sent to the land fill site along with the rest of any garbage found around there. Pack them all on a ferry and deport them without a bye your leave etc Strong action is the only way.:
OK enough. Why is Boris allowing this disrespect to happen ?
Cameron needs to address this problem on our doorstep and look to this country instead of trying to be the "world leader" he seems to think he is!
'Bout time we just got rid of the lot. The goverment are spineless and only interested in sorting problems in other countries and giving our money away. If this was a goverment for the people they wouldn't be ruining England like they are. Scotland don't put up with it and that's why I'm moving north.
Hopefully come winter it'll be too cold for them to sleep on the streets and they'll have to move on. Awful what is happening to this country. Our politicians are idiots.
Offered a free flight home !...They should be deported immediately, and stuff what Brussels has to say about it, it is our country, and if Cameron is too cowardly to deport them, then vote for a party that will, vote UKIP..!!!
They're all over here too. Who decided it was a good idea letting Romania and Bulgaria join the Eu? - mreed , Oslo, Norway, 06/9/2013 11:48 That's interesting, and Norway's not an EU member.
Bus, plane and bye bye..........simple.
UK Vagrancy laws allow that these people can be removed from public view. Why is this not happening? If these people are homeless foreign nationals they should be taken to their nearest embassy for their compatriots to deal with.
Vote UKIP and end this farcical situation. If nothing else, voting for UKIP should rid us of Cameron. now established as Britain's biggest liability.
Send them all back, whence they came !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
send them back NOW !
It's really simple, no home and no job, DEPORT them. If Europe is that keen to stand up for them, then off to Euope, FRANCE perhaps! Maybe the Houses of Parliment might be their next stop to!
@- kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46 - Compassionate, LOL!!! you can always go to their country to live like they do
No other country would tolerate these useless derelicts from hapless lands who have NO respect for Britain whatsoever.....ROUND EM UP AND THROW EM OUT !
Why is the Dalai Lama referred to as 'His Holiness' but not the Pope?
Offered a free flight home... it shouldn't be an offer, it should be mandatory to boot these no-gooders home and don't come back!!
Can they not be forced to clean up their own used condoms, excrement and crack bottles??
I feel really concerned for these people. Why do so many people feel angry with them? If this was an article about homeless dogs I wonder what the reaction would be.
WHY is this allowed to carry on happening? this is utterly crazy! the 'authorities' need to move them out & make sure they either find a proper place to live or they go back home
About time we reintroduced a vagrancy act. No one should be allowed in to this country fromANYWHERE unless they have proven means of support.
IF THEY HAVE NOT GOT HOMES TO STAY THEY SHOULD NOT COME IN
UKIP
...residents say they are out of work with nowhere to go. Perhaps where they came from?
It's so fun reading western abuse of the term "eastern europeans". Imagine if we wrote sth like "a tourist from western europe won the lottery today....". That could mean anyone from german neo-nazi to the queen of England lol
The only answer is vote UKIP.
"Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46" Bloody bleeding heart, hand-wringing liberals. You really have absolutely no idea what you are doing or the consequences of your actions beyond the immediate.
As an American woman, who lives and works in London, I see these people often. It breaks my heart. The government should do something for them and see that they have food and shelter. Winter is coming and they are going to have nowhere to turn.
Who is this "His Holiness" that you are talking about? Do you mean Tenzin Gyatso, who would like to have himself installed as the unelected "leader" of a medieval theocracy in an already impoverished country? Oh yes, that's very holy, that is!
It's all very well someone sleeping ruff! But seriously if you are not born in this country or even British, why should hard working people pay their taxes to clean up after you!! Go to your embassy explains your I dire strates and go back to to where you came from!!
When the weather starts to turn colder their numbers will drop steadily.
Pick them up and take them to their respective Embassies to deal with. If they are homeless and have no money, their Embassies should repatriate them to their country of origin at their expense. Why do we think it is our problem.
And yet barely 100 yards up the road is Kennington Police Station - if the police let this happen under their own noses, no wonder they think they can do whatever they like.
They should be deported without delay. It would seem that our "police force" is still sleeping on the job!
They have nowhere to go? what about home where they came from. If their having to live on the streets , they will have no income , so where do they get the money to live from ???? we persecute our OWN vagrants that have fallen on tough times and are quite happy for them to be moved on . So how is it these immigrants are allowed to return time and time again and are allowed to treat our national monuments in this disgusting manner.How long are we to leave our gates of this once great country open before its realized that we cant cope. at least UKIP have some good ideas and will be getting my vote next time round.
Can any one remember that Little girl who dropped a bit of Cornish pasty and a Seagull snapped it up the parent got fined should the same law apply
Why don't the authorities stop it !
Why would you want to come to the UK and be homeless? - Mr Singh , Birmingham, 06/9/2013 11:03....More than likely because if they stick around long enough they'll be given housing, healthcare, education and everything else under the sun for FREE to them, but paid for by the likes of most of the people commenting.
It's about time this goverment grew a pair and said to hell with the EU and round up all eu people who do not have a job and kick them back to their own country. Enough is enough this country will end up a third world country whoops sorry we already are.
Oh for goodness sake round them up and send them to Brussels
Exactly what harm is this doing to anyone?
Oh no please I need to get out of this 'dumping ground' of a country!
Vote UKIP, then Labour will get in!
coming soon to a town city near you.time to shut the door on all those who can not contribute to our society.this probely wont get printed .
Coming soon Episode 2 Britain 2014, the migration of a further 1,000,000+ benefit scroungers to the UK mainly southern england and how they will bring the country to its knee's. Crime, DWP, NHS, Education & Housing.
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover,=== You think that letting people sleep in parks, public gardens and memorials is compassionate. That allowing them to despoil these areas with detritus of their squalid existence is compassionate. To overlook the crimes they commit to exist or because they are lawless is compassionate. That we should just turn over our spaces to the world and his wife, because they come here in thousands and aren't really suited to work, either because they are ill-educated, have neither functional written nor spoken English, are more interested in living on benefits (usually significantly higher than in their home country) or just came here to escape dire conditions. Why not invite them to stay in your garden if you feel so strongly.
Send them to there country of origin....they can live just as well on the streets of the homeland as they can here..it's not that I'm heartless but we should have a FULL sign at any port.....not enough housing for the people who were born here so why let more in.
Is this what our grandfather's fight for in the war Mr Cameron? I think not!
This is what we have to tolerate...as EU members.....ain't it wonderful.?
These people need help. The comments on here would def not be as harsh as they are if it was young British people on the streets. Thank god its still warm and not winter yet.
It will only get worse. This country has to say NO to any more immigrants. What has happened about immigrants going to the nearest country? No admission to this country unless they have means to support themselves or have a job lined up, with proof. Even Merkel is worried. She is on the way out.
And people were saying the advert van suggesting people go home was offensive? Think again. No respect by these people at all.
Issue the cleaning equipment to Mr Blair and Mr Brown and make them clear the mess up they created. Brown is still an MP so it will only be a short trip on the tube. That is if he turns up at Parliament.
They should sleep rough on the doorstep of No10 Downing Street - that's where this mess emanates.
Ship them back to their own country now and no softly softly approach, get them the hell out of here, we are a struggling country without all these free loaders entering our borders.
Well done the British Establishment you are doing a great job of running the country.
It is time to stop all this nonsense, it has to stop ... how many times must we say or think this. If we went to their country and did the same what would the reaction be ?? You know the answer. ... Our government and police are not doing their job and letting this country become the laughing stock of Europe. It is not the country I was born into anymore. Sad so very sad.
They don't come to Spain where the weather is better. Why? Because the police would nail them and because there are no free handouts.
We'll never get anything solved until our judiciary stop behaving like a bunch of student protesters.
What the hell is wrong with England. Just get them out and give us our own culture back and let them live their own!!!!!!!!! Enough already.
Why do the British Nation put up with sort of thing? I am sure if we did it in their country we would be arrested and deported, we are far too soft
That's OK - because Cameron says so.
Deport them, they are a disgrace and we don't want them here.
Used condoms?!? Fantastic for the Liberals in Britain at least they are practicing safe sex!!! In another vein - If the british hate their own country what do you expect everyone else to do?
Move them on to Downing street.
weak britain, the russian are right we are only a small island and dumping ground.
Thing that is so annoying is we are sleepwalking into this situation and it can be avoided. Our government could LEGALLY opt out of this! They could either say due to our considerations that we may be leaving, all rules are suspended until this is decided but also they could pass an Act of Parliament which repeals part of the European Convention. Europe don't have last say on everything because it is unconstitutional. Obviously they wouldn't tell anyone this though.
Is this what happens to your country when you have a big heart . -- - John-B, London, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:53 --- AND incompetent, traitorous Lieb/Cons/LDumb politicians !! Join, support and vote ONLY for UKIP - flush the others out. We are long overdue some decent, 'breath of fresh air' politics designed for the benefits of the indigenous UK population.
Not long until winter.
Get real, we have seen nothing, yet.
Takes us over an hour to get through passport control coming back from a holiday. How are all these getting through. Shut the borders and start deporting. You want to come and work pay 50% tax that will put them off they might start heading off to Germany.
Cameron/Boris you need to sort this mess out now and you need to shut the door on europe now - at least have the guts to do something in your so far totally inept priministership.
It's a wonder Putin rub it in about Britain putting up with these people Ron, Western Australia
Bob-For the same reason men go with crazy hags from hell...because they do not know any better,yet.It's like a child touching a hot oven.It's foolish.Mama told you so but then you had to see for yourself
Get them out of the country now.
how lovely! Thanks to the powers that be.
They are sleeping rough therefore not claiming benefits. Surely DM readers who are obsessed with benefits and who's getting them would be in their element...?
Immigration has been a success then? When they've taken all the jobs, the 'spares' clutter up our national monuments? Well done, Labour!
The scheme was meant to help scientists and business leaders travel between European Countries with a minimum of fuss. But its turned out completely differently and just caused huge problems for everyone. It could have been forseen that the desperatley poor people of Eastern Europe would be on the first bus they could to the richer countries. This scheme needs urgent cancellation before all our Countries collapse under the strain. But do you trust any politician to sort it out ?
Well UK, welcome to the world.
Good luck to them all
GET THEM OUT!!!
Problem is this rubbish is giving all migrants a bad name. They have no respect for anything and yet expect respect. The truth is they believe we are mugs, just ask any of them. We are mugs ripe for the taking. The people do not represent the majority of migrants though who come here to share in our beautiful country and in our lifestyle and want nothing more than to work hard and have all of that. This kind of rubbish will just move on to the next place once they have destroyed our country.
What a joke. now were to go. Than go home.
Why are they here?...............
Blair, the sellout traitor's legacy lives on..
That's it I'm going to Eastern Europe to sleep rough in their parks and claim their benefits and see how they like it. What's they don't give benefits to scroungers - now there's and idea!
It appears we don't have British homeless people now dm?! What a bias article I cannot even be bothered to finish to read.
Without making any comment upon the thousands of people dossing around everywhere Iwonder if It might help the ordinaryBrit to realise what a lovely country England was These people have no home no real income no nothing yet they think its betterhere dossing than going home
I wish the government would stop worrying about the Middle East and do something about this country. Come January we will be swamped with further immigrants. What a mess we are in...
Only Nick Griffin had any real answer.
"Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46" Exactly Kendo, because obviously the people in Hannover are much more compassionate towards the eastern European immigrants you've got over there...
1 important advice... don't come to the UK
We have a government somewhere, taking our money and not doing the job; that's fraud.
Tip of the iceberg. No person deserves to sleep like this but we are FULL! Vote UKIP
One world,One people.Peace and love to you all. - Sebastien, Hackney, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 11:30===I bet you wont be saying that when they set up camp outside your front door and mess up your street
Your comments:This has got to stop , this has got to stop how many times must we say it, think it . If we went to their country and did the same what would the reaction be .... ha ha ha Our government , police, etc are letting these people make us become the laughing stock of Europe.
Buckingham Palace Next
Why are the Police not arresting these people and the Border Agency removing them from the Country. They have No jobs and no homes. They can be removed and sent to their home countries.
Why cant these 'tramps' be deported and sent home? They are nothing but a drain on society.
So Cameroon - what ya going to do?
They are worse off than in their own country ... deport the lot without thinking it over !
What was the point in shifting them from Park Lane if they are going to be allowed to set up camp somewhere else, particularly the Imperial War Museum. They do what they like and they are allowed to get away with it.
Do jobless immigrants sleep rough in the streets and parks of Brussels and Strasbourg? I suspect not. Do not dismiss the EU elections in May 2014. If you don't vote for change, then don't moan that nothing is being done!
How much more disrespectful behaviour do we have to put up with before the powers that be actually do something?! How dare people like this come to my country, demand and expect respect then absolutely defile our nation by being so utterly and unashamedly disrespectful, get rid of the lot of them, am sick, sick, sick of it. The feeling of helplessness at being able to do nothing is making for a very angry nation, a ticking time bomb if you like.
More on the way in January, folks. But the government obviously doesn't care. It would rather throw money at Syrian rebels than get this country back on its feet. We need to get out of the E.U. and stop this sorry flood of lazy good for nothings....so there's only one party will guarantee that, isn't there?
Why are the police allowing this to happen, are there not laws against vagrancy? - I.Noitall , Newcastle, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 11:32 --------Yes there are! not that our police would be that interested! I wonder why? No! they are more interested in stopping and harassing a motorist at 0430 in the morning for not indicating on a deserted housing estate road! oh! and don't they just love to get that breathalyser bit of kit out! they were so eager, they didn't even bother to tell this driver as to why he was being harassed!
Remember shiny Dave pratlling on about how he was going to create the " Big Society ". Laughable now isn't it ?
Go home if they have no we're to go how much more have we got to foot the bill for the worlds poor our children are now suffering at school our NHS with cuts that are barbaric to pay for schooling healthcare and benefits when we can't provide for our own immigration on these levels is just plain crazy our stupid mps still can't work this out yet
This is England!
WHY are they here if they are homeless and have no jobs ?
As the Scots got us into this in the first place, send them all up there !!
Let's hope for a really cold winter then!!
When will these out of touch, not living in the real world MP's wake up to this and block immigration into the UK, we really do need to sort this major problem out as it is becoming very stressful and putting a major strain on our public services, UKIP or any other political party will get my vote who will stop and limit immigration to the UK. Something has to give as we cannot continue with the EU dictatorship on who is entitled to enter Britain and drain everything in it, enough is enough.
The government won't do anything, they have cut loads of border staff, not taking on anymore. the situation is just crazy.
Before people start complaining about this behaviour, remember, if you voted Conservative, Labour or LibDem, you voted for open borders and this is the consequence.
It happens because nobody stops it. For God's sake when is this Government going to wake up.
Won't be long before the big guns disappear without trace ......................
Buck palace next
Our once proud country is becoming a rubbish dump. Is this what are to expect going forward ? Instead of trying to play the world leader, wouldn't Dave be better off getting things fixed at home ?
I am disgusted by this but not surprised! this country is going down the toilet!
Why not send them to Ireland...there's lots of empty property there.
What is wrong with enacting the byelaws against vagancy? This country, without strong leadership, has gone soft.
It seems the mainstream parties don't actually want to deal with this. It is a disgrace.
Kendo 214,Hanover--------------- You go and clear up after them then !!
Only immigrants with recognised qualifications in either academic or industry occupations should be allowed in. There is NO demand for tens of thousands of unskilled workers in this country. The Germans are sick of uncontrolled immigration too as are the Scandinavian countries. If the useless politicians listened to their people they would find there's a general consensus amongst most "western" European countries that enough is enough.
Buck palace next
If they're sleeping rough on the streets of Britain, surely they can cope sleeping rough in their own countries? I'm very liberal by nature, but pictures like this make my blood boil. They are guests in the UK and yet treat it with the utmost contempt.
Surely if they are not a UK citizen, have no fixed residence or job, they should be arrested and deported...
I despair for my country, how long is this sort of thing going to go on for before something is done about it, UKIP get us out of this mess at the first opportunity .
European Union = freedom of movement! Coming to a park near YOU very soon!!
Many more to come,solution is in our hands when it's time to vote. Only one party opposes this mess and it's not Labour/Conservative or Lib dems. Time to wake up voters of the UK.
Kein Barber.Hereford...11.46..........Quite right ! If you are STILL going to vote for either of the three parties that sanctioned this degrading of our country then DON'T complain because YOU are part of the problem . For once just take the blindfold OFF !
And your Government lets them do this? Imagine what would happen if a British person tried this?
Thanks Camoron, May and all the rest of you EU loving shysters who have perpetrated this crime on us. Britain is rapidly becoming the EU dumping ground of the unwanted, who in torn are tuning our country into an open sewer and desecrating our memorials to the people who died for this country. You've all sold us down the river and are no longer worthy of our support. UKIP can and will change this.
Ok so a building dedicated to people who live, died and survived during desperate times and you're all moaning about desperate, homeless people who need shelter? Are the dead Romanians who are no doubt mentioned in the museum more important than the people who need help today?
Sling the lot in the back of an RAF Herc and off they go home.
Britain the biggest squat in the EU.
Come next year you won't be able to see the grass for bodies.
SO much effort to spend on Syria. SO very little to get our country back from the ravages of ill-conceived "good intentions". EVERYONE should write to their MP's about all this. Overwhelm them and make them do their job.
I don't understand why or how we can take these people in. We can't afford to pay their benefit. We really need to get out of this EU malarky.
I pity them. Not for their circumstances, but for the fact that they have reached the point where they simply have no shame.
Can someone tell the poor chap there's a spare room in 10 Downing Street
It's the EU and all the treasonous politicians who signed this country up to the treaties of the unelected ones. They had no right to do that, our sovereignty and democracy was never theirs to give away in the first place., We need to be out of the vile organisation with the utmost urgency. Only then will we be able to run our own country once more as set out in our Constitution.
Let's hope for lots of heavy rain at night for several months. That might put them off.
Your comments: I walk my dogs past these people every day. They are quiet and considerate. They have not harmed the Peace Garden in any way. Please leave them alone.
Are the police allowed to do anything, or are they happy to let this happen. Surely they can all be collected from London and put in a high security field surrounded with barbed wire.
Go home then! Surely if you are living on the streets this country is not for you.
Employ a dozen of them with high pressure hoses and clean it up overnight rather than in the morning?
I'm at a loss as to understand why Jamie Oliver doesn't give them all a job if they are all so hard working. {sarcasm intended} They don't even help themselves, but instead are quite happy to give into their baser desires and buy condoms rather than consider the long term solution of just what are they going to do with themselves. (Although the alternative of loads if kids is equally unthinkable.) The heatwave is over and we are going into Autumn/Winter but they will still be moved on around London instead of going home. I'm all for helping immigrants who are truly needy, if they are facing persecution back at home etc. But this is lunacy. Nobody is really benefitting, not us nor them. This is not a solution.
Fgs Cameron you wimp do something, they have NO respect for our country send them back.
God help us after Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are allowed to swarm here after jan 2014. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion; and all our politicians can say is that their hands are tied. They should resign and let in somebody who CAN do something, before it's too late.
Only in this country would this be allowed to happen!! These dossers should be shipped out pronto.
Get used to it guys, it's going to get a whole lot worse. I guess this is the legacy of messers Blair & Brown.
Coming to a town near you very soon now. 01/01/2014 is the start of the big race to the UK. Every one will be a winner. And who pays?
You ain't see nothing yet
Don't think I will be going to London anytime soon.....
get RID if them right away !!!!! as they will all be there soon !! if I left a mess there I would be fined !!! why are these allowed to get away with it !! send them packing NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! wheres the police !!!!!
Saturation & patience has been reached. Our useless politicians need to get their fingers out before we have a catastrophe on our hands. Blair's houses need to be confiscated asap to house illegals and we need to stop immigration now. UKIP ARE OUR ONLY HOPE.
Offered free flights home. The next stage will be to give them a couple of thousand each to go home (ring a bell?). I'll never visit London it's becoming a right toilet.
round them up and ship them out - vote UKIP
I am pretty sure that next year when a handful sleeping rough and making a mess turns into thousands sleeping rough and making an even bigger mess then the government might actually get off there behinds and do something...
Serves you lot right, you were paranoid of none EU immigrants but i have always said "Our problem was the Europeans"........ RED ARROW ME IF YOU LIKE
having read the article, think I'm going to opt to stay in Switzerland.
UKIP UKIP UKIP .Any questions ? Theres your answers.
why dont they just go home?
Don't offer them force them
Just like here in Geneva.
Shocking. Truly shocking. And, what's worse? More on the way!
Your comments:GetRid of them all very quick. Why do they keep on coming. Mthey are not wanted here. What has this country become except a doss house for the rest of theveu. Mmjust wait until January. All hll will break loose then. Mintuink the normal everyday British man and woman have had enough. Get tough and show the world that we are no longer the benefit country of the world.
When this happened in France they were not just moved on but sent back to Romania. The problem is that under EU rules they have the right to return.London is slowly returning to a 19thb century condition because of the EU. This area in the article is beautifully maintained with its Tibetan Peace Garden. However this is what the ratepayers in London get also.
This Angers me so much !!!! They are costing us as a Country having added nothing but misery to it ,when we have veterans who have served our Queen and Country still sleeping rough with no help... Get these disrespectful Gypsies out of OUR country and start helping the People who have served it instead...
its time to deport these people. when you go to another country you offer something to make it better. these people are doing nothing.
The future has arrived.
Blame Tony B'liar'..... vote UKIP 2014 & 2015
Poor London, snigger, who said it was grim up North, expect thousands more, all these National Insurance numbers handed out. Red arrow to the right, snigger.
Why do we allow all this trash in our country ? Kick them all out immediately...most people had enough but are afraid to say anything in case they're labelled "this & that" ... What exactly do these people contribute to our economy & society ?
this country is great i pay nothing and i use free intanet now in coffee place. we keep coming because there is no problem here
I fear ,you aint seen nothing yet ,wait till january when the floodgates are opened ,please out of the E.U now.
Amy from Bath said__ I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is. - Amy, Bath, 6/9/2013 10:37 Then follow your conscience and invite one (or more), to stay at your home. That way you can feel good about yourself, and the streets are a lot tidier.
I walk my dogs past these people every day. They are quiet and considerate. Over the years there have been many people sleeping rough in the Peace Garden but not one has caused harm. Please leave these people alone.
Why come to England to sleep rough?! Stupid and pointless. They won't make their fortunes here!
This is just the start we need to stop this before January 1st when they can all come in.
The tories have sat on their hands and done absolutely nothing the past three years will,only get much worse next year, ,the police keep clearing dosser park lane,and they just keep returning its a joke.
Simple answer, get out of Europe and stop letting them in.
why can't some sleep out side no 10 perhaps DC might do something then you yes he would have them removed then do as he always does NOTHING. our government is useless we want our country back or there is going to be big trouble as we are all fed up with this its only a matter of time before we snap something has to give.
And they are not even here illegally thanks to the rules of the EU who say we must allow in ALL FROM THE EU WHO WANT TO COME. Common sense flew out the window long ago when it comes to the EU Dictatorship and our leaders bending over backwards to comply. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP, THE ONLY CHANCE WE HAVE OF TAKING BACK CONTROL OF THIS COUNTRY.
Why don't they make these people clean up their own crap? Cleaners shouldn't have to go round cleaning up dog/human poo, used condoms, drugs paraphernalia and rubbish. They've got nothing better to do anyway. I dread to think how it'll be come 2014.
round them all up and send them back were they came from and argue the case later and they can have their hr in their own country, we cant afford them
I have a novel idea - it`s called DEPORTATION.
you lot seem to be foregetting one key point.........this is their country just as much as it is yours...now that we are part of europe....i dont see you posting pictures of every single homless british person online........why not ?..its just the same thing...except these eastern europeans dont stink like the british born tramps....they take care of themselves...even hang their coats up properly.
What a shame that we cannot simply deport them
Why is this allowed to happen. The rules of free movement only allow those from the EU to come here IF they have a job to go to, housing and medical sorted out as the rules say so they DO NOT become a burden on us. It says nothing about us becoming a third world country with Europes' waifs and strays. Forced repatriation should be enacted, not just let go to appear some where else. It wouldn't happen anywhere else in Mainland Europe, the French CRS wouldn't be so nice.
put them all on the next plane outta here and never let them back in
Politicians these days have no spine. They are a shadow of the past. Above all others, criminals included, I hate politicians.
Homeless foreigners should be put on a plane and sent home. If they wish to come back they should have a job and accommodation first. The govt should help this process.
They should be handed over to their own consulates to deal with.
Why aren't the Left Wing Loony Liberals campaigning for the Government to give them each a house, they campaign for most other stupid things.
It's only going to get worse
How about sending them back home...
Did you notice the young man who, when he had a job, sent the money home to his family. Not a lot of use to the economy.
Brace yourselves because come January 2014 there will be loads more swarming in and it will become a common sight (if not the norm), and nothing's being done to prevent it simply because no one gives a toss!
Round them up, ship them home and impose lifetime bans them. They obviously have no affiliation with, or respect for us so why are they here?
Welcome to EU
I find the majority of the comments today extremely unchristian.
Will we ever get our Country back? I could cry when I read articles like this. Surely somebody can do something.
How are those old women allowed in as it's quite apparent they cannot work so should be sent back home.
It isn't their fault. They were born into poverty, are seeking a better way of life and see chances in this country. The problem lies with lack of proper migration controls, irresponsible social engineering by the last government, a present government unwilling and/or incapable of cleaning up the mess and Brussels who, despite having unlimited rescources, have failed to deal with the problems of former Eastern block countries entering the EU.
I've heard that there's some shocking advertising in Eastern European countries showing their own people sleeping rough and begging on the streets of London, saying: 'A job abroad can lead you to this.'
Sick to the teeth of this. We are doomed.
They all need putting on a plane Nd sending home. They need to offer them a trip home when it's winter because they won't be sleeping in these places then?
Surely we can find them some nice council houses, or pay for their private accommodation - we are a bunch of softies, after all. I despair!
When the Muppets (Mr Cameron Therese May & Co) let in Millions of Migrants into Britain what do You Expect ?? ... Tax payers have to pay for them (Like it or Not) Health-Care housing Food Dentists Legal Aid Ect Etc because they have No Work & No Money......Mr Ed/Labour are just hopeless so Britain is Doomed until the people find Real-Men Real-Leaders & an EU-Referendum on Freedom ASP.
What depths our country has sunk to. I can't see any solution in the future.
if this people have no legal income - uk have the right to send them back.
I'm fed up with people taking us for a ride This economic migrancy and all the problems it brings has got to outweigh any benefits we get from being part of the EU
Enough moaning, time to take the Lib-Lab-Con to court for treason
UKIP for me next time round in polls, had enough of living in a country that is run by the EU.......
Why aren't they deported?
Should fit in well with the millions of other immigrant's we have here in South London we cant get enough of em
They're all over here too. Who decided it was a good idea letting Romania and Bulgaria join the Eu?
This country is turning into a joke, you may as well not even call it England anymore. what would our great granparents think after they fought and risked there lives for this country and for what for foreign nationals to xome in and make it theres. I am 100% englsih but you feel like your the one living in a different country, you cant get benefits when needed but yet these get offered houses, benefits everything JOKE
Just put them on the plane home - no arguments.
As much as I'm all for helping those who are less fortunate, this just isn't on. If they want to sleep on the streets they can do so in their own country. If you want to come to the UK, bring a skill set or enough money to pay your way legally (i.e. no caravans). This wouldn't be tolerated in front of Buckingham Palace so why is it tolerated elsewhere? The law should be consistent.
Then every day everything left behind should be thrown away, if they have no sleeping items they will go home, perhaps now would be the time for a leaflet drop telling them how to hand themselves in.
Does anyone else remember the good old days, when only British citizens could get benefits or use the NHS? How I long for those days to come back. Red arrow away......
This was inevitable! The government have had three years, but have done absolutely nothing to prevent it from happening!
It is not January 2014 yet either, this is just the start.
Why are we allowing this to happen, time for action now!
Thank you Tony Blair.
Deport them.
This Country is ruined, thanks you Tony Blair, and Cameron and Clegg. UKIP for me this time.
and any time we try to deport them, we can't because of their HUMAN RIGHTS. Soft touch Britain.
Round them up and send them home!
Everybody's got to be somewhere! Might come a time with us brits leave this country and love for refuge else where...impossible scenario? Think about it.
I don't understand. No job, no money to support yourself, no accommodation - why are they let in in the first place? The EU gives right of movement, why doesn't the UK say well OK as long as you have all three conditions aforementioned in place?
Is this what has become of Britain? Vagrants turning a National monument and beautiful gardens into a doss house and a human toilet? It's a national disgrace!
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever...
Act. Next election vote for a party that will do something about all of this. Otherwise...please keep quiet and accept what you vote for.
If it was me smoking crack and dossing round a London Park, I would be in a police cell ASAP.!!!!
Welcome to soft touch Britain, disgrace!!
They are usually youngish and there's normally a couple of females that stay with them, but they look really young, perhaps only 18.' ========== Why do women go with losers?
Well, i dont like this. But obviously the majority do, otherwise UKIP would be getting far more votes.
Cast your minds back to the student that peed on a war memorial. He was charged and convicted of some offence or other that I forget. My point is that these morons are showing similar disrespect our war dead and deserve punishing. Where are you our police Force. Are you upto the challenge or not!
How disrespectful! I just really can't get my head around why more and more immigrants are being let in the country? I dread to think what England will be like in 10-20 years time.
>>>>And the European dream rolls on, just why are the Easter states being allowed to join the EU? With their poverty just becoming a millstone around everyone's? >>>> Clear them all out, and sod the EU>>>>
James, Reading: I agree, send them to where the politicians have to work, let them live there. Then we might get this debris off the streets and back to their own country! Sort the mess out there then they just might stay. Or dump them on their respective embassies lawns and make them stay there!
I¿m embarrassed to be English we are nothing but a joke
Just kick them out of the country? I really dont understand what the problem is.
Disgusting.... What a sorry state to see our once beautiful country in, unfortunately a lot of people are not bought up to respect there surroundings, many immigrants consider it acceptable to live in this country like they would in their own... For example, i very much doubt the british homeless would leave drug paraphenalia, used condoms and their own excrement in such a place of beauty, there is places for such behaviour...... due to immigration.... GB is finished
God help us in 10 years time, I dread to think what we will be come, I know English will be a minority language and we will be a minority in our own country with no rights whatsoever and having everybody elses forced upon us.
UKIP seems to be the only hope we have of sorting this mess out and getting our country back. They'll DEFINITELY get my vote come the next election.
it will all be solved in January when the local government will ahve to find them all homes and acomadation....... ain't it a joke.
Blame the EU headquarters in Brussels !
And we'll no doubt be seeing a lot more of this in January 2014 when Romanians and Bulgarians are allowed free transit throughout Europe. Thanks EU.
It's going to be shambles next year
And Cameron is now handing out over £50million in aid to Syrian rebels! Charity SHOULD begin at home but apparently MPs think differently to us! This madness has to stop! The £50million would have been far better spent in clearing this rabble off our streets, and preventing more arriving here!
If this is happening every morning where are the police?
just ship them out if they can afford drugs, condoms, beer etc they can afford to pay for there own way home. enough is enough.
thousands more on the way, get used to it. all coming for the free benefits, "FREE" that I pay my hard earned taxes for. free for them, but we tax payers having been paying in for years. put them all on an island off the coast, with tents, and no social, see how long they want to stay.
Lets hope he tries the No. 10 doorway next, they should give him a good 'E.U.' welcome, after all with the right 'human rights' applied he may want to vote to stay in the E.U.!............Con. member, for now.
Go home and stop littering up our city. I'm sick of seeing this. If you want to come to this country you should prove you have employment and money in the bank.
reptile said, Easy, just take them to their embassy's let them sort it out. I agree with you Reptile. Hopefully the "sorting out" extends to arranging and more importantly PAYING FOR flights taking them home.
You know the answer. UKIP.
Blame Tony!
Council officials and police in London blame the unwanted visitors for a surge in begging, pickpocketing, shoplifting and anti-social behaviour. ============================= That was always predictable. They should be blaming New Labour, Blair and Brown who adopted the "open borders" policy for self-centred political reasons and let them all into the UK. Having said that, Cameron's lot have done NOTHING to stop the rot, and with a further flood of Rumanians about to hit us in 4 months time. Why are our politicians so utterly out of touch, inept and useless ?
What depths our country has sunk to. I can't see any solution in the future.
I wonder how many natives would be allowed to get away with it!!!
Making the UK a better place. The idiots in government need to open their eyes!
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane. - jaffacakefuel, London, 6/9/2013 10:02.............Pretty pointless in the long run though! Moving them on... If they are arrested at all, one peep of 'Human Rights' and they're soon released right back into this god-forsaken country!
Where are useless Plod?
Just look at old those Ladies are ..!! What are they good for Workwise..? If you or i tried emigrating to a foreign country with absolutely no money and in our seventies we would be told we haven't got a hope in Hell ..! Oh and I bet they can't speak a word of English .! This seriously needs to be dealt with ...NOW
This only happens because it is allowed to happen..that's it in a nutshell ! These people have no visible means of support, no work, no money, no accommodation, they are in legal terms vagrants and as such should be subject to a legal remedy, which is to remove them to a place where they came from, they have a country to go to and no doubt relatives and friends to turn to for help. So collect them , document them and put them on a flight back to their Country of origin. simple...IF OUR GOVERNMENT WANTS TO !
Lots and lots more to come next year courtesy of the EU open borders and the Lisbon Treaty. London will be totally swamped .......mark my words, you have seen nothing yet...!!!
No where to go? Hang on they were offered FREE flights home? So they DO have some where to go.
They actually go across the road to a shelter where nuns feed and allow them to shower and return later
Next year should be interesting, judging by unofficial (true) numbers. It'a also amazing how they move them on from the affluent areas so quickly, anywhere else and it'd be months.
Tip Of The Iceberg. Vote UKIP!
Get Mary Beard and other assorted lefty's to clean it up.
At least they are using condoms!
Yet MP's can't understand why the UN has sent Raquel Rolnik to the UK on a fact finding mission about housing conditions?
No money No home No self respect, send them home on the first plane. Glad Greece does not tolerate this.
It makes me so proud. Thank heavens the European flag flies over every Government building, as our Euro MP's slave long into the night, on their paltry salaries, fighting to supply us with more of these wonderful people. Don't forget; the Labour party told us that immigration was a GOOD thing, and that our country NEEDS people like this to be a better place. It must be true because they would have let us have a vote on it if it was at all in doubt. Hurrah for immigration. Hurrah for Europe. Hurrah for our wonderful politicians. One day we will understand why they have done this to our country; and I am sure that we will all be grateful.
They are trespassing, fine them if they don't have money make them clean up the city, they won't hang around for very long if there is nothing for them.
Flippin heck when is this country going to get a grip and sort out this mess
Can't the authorities just capture them, deport them and black list their name. Poor illegal & unemployed immigrants most probably will create social troubles to the country. The country has to force its entrepreneurs to employ its own citizens and force the latters to accept employment they're offered rather than letting it go to immigrants.
I personally care more about these fellow human beings than some memorial that I never have nor will visit. Some people needs to sort of their priorities or maybe I am the last good person in the world?
Something which the Pro-EU brigade never mentions. They've made these people homeless with false hope.
This is past ridiculous.
Comment readers are actually falling for this!! How dumb are you? Read the story. It says, we get rough sleepers here during every summer. So every summer there are homeless people sleeping there, this isn't news then. How many homeless people are foreign in the UK? Loads.
They are laughing at us, people, but not as much or as loud as our politicians are, especially the old and the new Labour rats.
WELCOME TO BRITAIN, the doss house of every country in the world, I dread to think what 2014 will bring with the influx that is expected !!!!!.
Why aren't they arrested for vagrancy? I bet if they were British they would be.Why the softly, softly approach? I used to love going down to London for the weekend, but you wouldn't catch me down there now, it's a dump.
sick of these people , sick of cameron why doesnt he startt to sort his own country out before he starts on syria and the like ?
Get the fire brigade in with their hose pipes to clean up the mess and wake them up - perhaps they wouldn't be there again. Disgusting. March them to their own Embassy and let them sort out the problem by sending them back to where they belong.
Why are they allowed here? Uk is being laughed at by people around the world.
disgusting.. round em all up and kick em out!
If they are sleeping on streets and have no job they should have no choice they should be sent back to there own country .
Migrants should not be allowed into this country unless they have somewhere to live a job and have medical insurance and £10,000 in cash.
I don't understand this at all. Are there not homeless shelters? Can't you cordon off monuments at night? We don't have the EU problem but it is abominable. It must be abolished. It is vile to allow this in sacred areas. What are the solutions for this that show that your country means business and will not tolerate this behavior. It is disgusting.
They shouldn't have a choice whether to go back home or not, it should be instant deportation on the spot.
where's plod, this more important than fining motorists.............
Are these the people we want in this country ? Blair and Brown opened our borders for every down and out to come here and look what we are left with . Camp them outside their MANY houses and flats they own and then see what happens ,
You can't come into the country uses you have an official letter saying you have a on. Simple.
will only get worse
Get the water cannons out.
Maybe they should sleep outside the homes (on in their gardens) of all MPs and the PM, see how they like it. So few decide so much for so many. It's ok for those in power, they don't have to deal or put up with this, the rest of us do. I am so sad at what has happened to my country. It will only get worse come January and in the future when other Eastern European countries join.
the worlds dumping ground.
This country is at boiling point regarding immigration. Someday soon, the bubble will burst, and all hell will let loose.
No Work, No Job, No income, Simple! NO WAY YOU STAY HERE! Ship them all back home, it is NOT England's job to take in the waifs and strays of the EU; in spite of what those clowns in Brussels say!
Why are the police allowing this to happen, are there not laws against vagrancy?
You don`t see any on College Green - it`s right outside Parliament. Maybe a few there would concentrate Cameron`s attention on the fact that his beloved EU is opening our doors to thousands more of them in January. And yet the DM, which regularly makes headlines over immigration, is fond of deriding UKIP who are the only party committed to putting a stop to it.
"We do have to clean up after them unfortunately". What utter nonsense- do you think, for one minute that Parisian workers would put up with this? Read the accounts of what happened in Paris, e.g. outside the Louvre. They didn't just shrug their shoulders and give in-they stopped work and marched on the government department in charge. At times I'm so sick of this country.
these pictures make me feel sick and whose doing anythng about it!?!? its actually getting worse. av said it before sayng again av never voted but its UKIP next time like. this country is in a mess and it scares me!
Can't these people be given benefits and a council home? Best sort out this problem before the rest of them come to this tiny island of ours.
One world,One people.Peace and love to you all.
I am sorry, but that is just wrong. People take their chances when they come in this manner, doesn't mean that should be allowed to sleep where ever. It's not right for the people to clean up after them either, I think shows a sign of no self respect, having someone clean up you, clean it yourself you are to camp like this. These people just don't care, it's all what they want to do. I don't mean to be harsh, but at least pick up after self, and have some control. How do they get into the country?
Looks like rain this Weekend ;)
Get rid of them!
A modern day plague...
Yuk. I never voted for my country to change, it's turned into a dumping ground. If they're going to keep coming, keep them in London where the government might actually notice them.
Must be the only country in the world you can come with no job or funds or address... Cess pit
"and one hangs his coat on a peace sculpture" for crying out load folks, PIECE!!
Out of work, well should not have been let in without a place to stay, money and a job, get real people go home we do not want you here.
This island will sink soon, it's already on its way. I fear what future my children have. - parky77, Manchester, uk, 6/9/2013 11:20------depends how you qualify "sink". I reckon it did that ages ago
So can a tourist also pitch a tent up in Hyde park while on holiday ? Free and great location .... Seriously though when is enough enough beyond a joke the public should keep phoning the police till something is done
i just have no idea what planet our government are on. the country is full, dont let any one else in till the population drops. simple
The results of a big heart and a weak government, lets hope we have a really bad winter.
Yet another reason for us to elect a UKIP Government at the next election!
It's absolutely ruined the 2am cruise. Get them out and give us back our gardens.
- Hunsa, Somewhere in London, 6/9/2013 10:32 - Actually the easiest thing to do is read them the EU regulations about free labour movement and not being allowed to sponge off other countries and then forcibly remove them. If they have no job, no money and
The government cannot stop the east Europeans from migrating to the UK because of the EU treaty, but still far more people from Asia and Africa are migrating to UK than from eastern Europe. What is the government doing to stop them?
send them back they are no use here its a disgrace
Throw em out the country!
It's a "trailer" for 1st January 2014. Why isn't this madness stopped. Put them all on a plane to return them to their own country & don't let anymore in. EU passage is rubbish how many true Brits want to settle in the countries these scourge have come from. Bit one sided isn't it? Close our boarders now & have a referendum now to get us out of this one sided mess.
I suggest the place is cleaned with a high pressure hose. Particularly while they are still present.
Cameron is more bothered about going in to Syria than he is about sorting this country's problems!
Perhaps some of the Employers that frequent these articles and constantly tell us that East Europeans have better work ethics than us Brits can nip down offer them some jobs and get them off the streets... PS: Where are all the benefit haters today with there suggestions of workhouses , vouchers, cleaning the streets etc..
Collect them up and send them home. Or will an outbreak of a serious disease occur before anything is done.
We really can't be having this.Someone must be held responsible for dealing with it & sort it fast.
I also have a similar problem across my street. I live in central London and from when I moved in the number has gone from 5 - 18+. They're very loud late at night, litter, use our doorstep as their public toilet yet the police won't do anything about it. It's disappointing considering how much we (as in everyone) pay to live in London and have it ruined by a small minority with no respect. I'm losing faith.
The Tories have had 3 years to think about this FORESEEABLE problem; yet today they are just doing things on the hoof. - Andy Stone , Hull, United Kingdom, It is no use blaming the present government. WHO opened the doors, and made it illegal to stop them? Oh!!! Of course it was your beloved Labour Party.
Land of hope and glory More like land of dope and Gorey It makes me weep
Home: This individual sits up among the flowers of the Tibetan Peace Garden and residents say they are out of work with nowhere to go so what the hell are they doing here for gods sack !!
Why aren't they just sent back?
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches. - GoodMorning , City of Angel, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 10:51 None of the people mentioned in the article are Russian. Not sure what you are talking about. Blame the EU for allowing poor countries to join the EU for political reasons whose nationals now do not need visas to come to the UK. Unlike Russians who still need visas to travel to all EU countries.
Open door Britain. Politicians don't care because they live in their own closed off section of society...they aren't picky about where their slave class comes from.
These people really are living the dream arn't they, other people thinking of coming to the land of opportunity take note you do NOT get a free house!
we are a joke of a country! pc madness gone wrong.
Arrest them for vagrancy and take them to their Embassy.
Great Britain.....today....not good.
This is what happens when you open the border gates and let the rest of unemployed Europeans in.Surprised NOT!
WE would get arrested,locked up and then deported if we did this in their country - hash, beds, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:38 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We would get arrested and locked up with a nice big fine if we did this in THIS country.
They're not homeless - they have homes in their own Country. For all our sakes - these people should be obliged to sign a contract when entering this Country - break it for any reason, littering to the worst, and home they go. If they want to appeal, do it from their homeland. We didn't fight for their freedom we fought for our own! Goodbye Britain - you were great.
About time we rounded these people up and dumped them back to where they came from - labeled not wanted, surplus to requirements. What I really think would be unprintable..
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.- GoodMorning, City of Angel, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:51 +++++++++++ What are you talking about, there is no Soviet Union anymore. Everybody was so happy when the Soviet Union was broken up, well the chickens are coming home to roost now, in Britain.
Looks like Dave has a big ''to do'' list...so once he gets back from sorting the Syrian situation out and throwing 300 million there,will he will come back and sort his own back garden out....How can it be that within a few paces of one on the worlds leading financial centres there are homeless,distitute people sleeping rough...and defacing memorials that honour the price our young men and women paid for their freedom to do so....
can someone please tell me what is the point when they are all invited back in january anyway ?? what a disgrace and a laughing stock we have become cameron needs to be ousted now !!!
take all their litter and deliver to number 10, until that happens they will do nothing
UK becoming USA....:(.
The shiny new Britain that the Labour Party created, millions in poverty, schools and hospitals unable to cope, incurable TB on the increase and crime rocketing. Thanks for your open door policy on immigration, our nation owes the Labour Party a great debt of gratitude!
and we allow this WHY?
Oh please someone give them a home
But they DO have homes - Back in their own countries. Why should we have to put up with it? The EU's own rules state that you must be able to support yourself and have 3 months to find a job - if not then you are not allowed to be a drain on the host country's resources and must go home. How about Cameron starts enforcing it instead of throwing petulant tantrums about not getting his own way over Syria. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns!!!!
go HOME! or face arrest please
wait until next year. Our country will even more classed as third world
So they can afford condoms, drugs and beer. It might help if Plod enforced the law when they can drag themselves out of the nearest McDonalds or kebab shop which appear to be London`s "unofficial" police stations these days
Put them on a military transport plain and send them back where the came from.Forget those idiotic EU rules.
I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is. - Amy, Bath, 6/9/2013 10:37......................Don't suppose you'll be offering up your bed? Thought not.
give me back my country and sack all politicians
MPs SEE THIS,, or as always turn a blind eye,, close our boarders,,get out of the EEC,
Time to purge, you choose how.
Simple, at border control ask for prove of residence and confirmation of employment. If this cannot be provided, turn them around and send them back. Not exactly rocket science is it?
I think it was John Major who signed the OPEN DOOR treaty at Maastrict. I wonder what he will be thinking when he sees the results of his actions?
this boys and girls is where any austerity measure savings are going. Cleaning up after them, housing them, paying them benefits. we are being robbed under the watch of lib lab and con. We need to change, will another party be just the same? For sure voting the same over and over will not change things. A vote for ukip is a vote for labour - LIES. A vote for any other party than lib lab con is a vote for your childrens future IMO.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! The soft touch liberals can call me whatever they want, but I do not want these people in my country!
The EU right to roam needs to be enforced on the basis that it was intended, namely to work in any country. It does not give the right to doss and become criminals. Ship all unemployed EU roamers home. Perhaps a condition of entry should be some form of bond that would ensure their return if they become unemployed.
They're having a laugh, get them out.
I wish our useless government would forget about sticking their nose into the business of others, and do something about the state of Britain, before we are sleeping on the streets of other countries!
Big deal
Good luck to them. These people are made of hard stuff!
These people shouldn't have the option of being asked if they want a free flight back to where they came from,they should be rounded up and sent back anyway. London looks like it is becoming a pig sty.Disgusting.
Make them build a raft and get home them self why should we pay, they should not be here in the first place.
If they have no job, no house, no money, how did they get here in the first place, how did they pay the fare? Or did they get in the back of a lorry?
They should be immediately deported. I fear this will only get worse when we allow Romanians in
Will UKIP deport them?
Vote UKIP and they'll be gone -
This is what happens when professional politicians run a country, no life outside the hallowed halls of power, so fail to see the mistakes they make and the results there of.
Hose them down with water. That will move them on!
And your words of wisdom Blair are.... Get out of the madness that is the EU VOTE UKIP
Come out of the EU then round these people and send them back from wence they came.Simples
Hose them down, a nice drop of cold water from a water cannon should do the trick nicely.
Can't the authorities just capture them, deport them and black list their name. Poor illegal & unemployed immigrants most probably will create social troubles to the country. The country has to force its entrepreneurs to employ its own citizens and force the latters to accept employment they're offered rather than letting it go to immigrants.
As Jack Straw would say this is modern Britain, The New labour project that is bearing the fruits of their lust for voters, to stay in power.
Putin is absolutely right about this country. Our politicians have sold us out. His oligarchs do own Chelsea and these lot degage our nations pride.
These are not your normal emigrants, Lithuania for example is not a poor country and the people I have worked with from there are hard working intelligent people. These people are transients who move to wherever they think the pickings are better, and that means wandering from country to country scrounging.
I've worked in Mayfair for many years. In the past few months one particular road I go down on the walk from the station to the office, has started to be used as a public meeting place and toilet (for both pee and poo). The smell in the morning is overpowering. I've complained to Westminster City Council and to be fair they acted really quickly and the pavement and walls are now washed down daily and the rubbish is cleared. Homeless people have always been in the area, but what's changed that the homeless now use the streets as public toilets? Oh, hang on a minute . . . .
Oh...Great Britain *sigh* :'(
Oh...Great Britain *sigh* :'(
Thank you labour and con rats.
Get real this is the future...self inflicted by our 650 MPs... We can expect more of the same ... As 650 MPs have no committment to want to control immigration to a basic well unforced controllable level... ... some of our MPs appear to be a liability in controlling the UKs best needs ... Of the majority... in years to come it will cost the uk dearly in local conflicts and aggrovation to all... We could end up with mini townships like south Africa as increased homeless flood th uk...in the next 25 years...as spendable income reduces year on year for so many...Reported 45,000 empty shops in the UK and growing ... is a bad bad sign .. Of where the uk is heading...
They or anyone else shouldn't be allowed in unless they can prove they have a residence and place of employment.
Offered free flights home but they're choosing to stay? There should be no choice available to them and they should be returned to wherever they came from!
One word... Porta-loo (or is it two?) Problem solved though!
Britain deserves what it gets - this is what happens when Liberal do gooders dictate the immigration policy a country for too long.
Well done Labour.
That's disgusting, why the Police aren't doing anything? Send them back home ASAP
any other country will just ship them out (including other European countries) but UK is weak.
All part of the EU's contribution to european exports, the communities dross, and funded by, you guessed correct, taxpayers !!!
This would not be tolerated in their own countries. Come on wake up for gods sale UK government. STOP this insult to god fearing, tax paying, law abiding UK citizens.
Why the government allow this to happen in the first time? Because they are IRRESPONSIBLE THEY DONT REALLY CARE and put all the population to live with this disgrace situation - THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS UK SHOULD CUT WITH THE LIBERALS OF THE EU they were are and will be a bunch of lazy politicians without any progressive sought
EUROTRASH!!
This makes my blood boil, it should be like Australia, no job or skill and you not allowed into the country. I would say our country is too soft but it's the EU that control the UK these days.
Send them back!!!!!!!
Wait until they can all come here legally. This problem has only just started. But Cameron will not know tucked up in his 1 million pound house.
And this is the taste of what's to come but on a mass scale, R.I.P. UK
Well done Labour.
surely if they are homeless and not contributing to society they should be deported? Why would they want to live here is there is nothing for them? I am not against immigrants but coming to England to be homeless is just insane.
Just send them home under EU rules you must have a job and somewhere to live,what is going on!!
They are homeless! Regardless of age, religion or nationality homeless people deserve our compassion. What sort of society are we if we can't show a bit of compassion to the most vulnerable. I am a bit disgusted at some of the comments. Red arrow away it only proves my point!
David Cameron & all his cronies have let this happen, let them deal with it. That's what they get paid for.
So when will that somebody we elected to run the country have the guts to sling them out - EU or no EU!
Why are they not moved on or prosecuted for trespass?
Get rid of them
Who would have imagined the import of homeless...beggars belief.
And it is going to get much worse, thanks new Labour,vote UKIP its our ONLY hope,
Where are they getting the money to buy the beer, drugs etc?
When I enter Canada and the U.S.A every time they ask where you are staying, and the date of your return flight. so why not put in in place in the U.K. and it takes so little time.
welcome to the Doss House of the world, 2013 GREAT Britain. What a shambles.
Being work shy got nobody anywhere ever
They evict them. They come back. Close the borders, send them home don't let any more in. The price of belonging to europe - is a price too high.
It's a free world. No one in this country created this world therefore it is not owned by anyone. Welcome to Britain
London is quite mild in winter compared to the Baltic be prepared for more to arrive
You stupid people haven't seen anything yet. Just wait till this time next year. You don't realise just what you are letting yourselves in for. It will make the last Polish invasion , and make no bones about it that is exactly what it is, look like a trickle.
We couldn't do that in their country!
We MUST vote UKIP they are the ONLY party that WILL get us OUT of the EU and has the KAHUNA'S to sort the endless problems being a member of the EU has brought to OUR country. We must get control of OUR laws (75% are made by the EU) money (56 million a day to the EU/12 billion overseas aid a year and rising) borders and way of life, which has been destroyed by the EU LOVING lib/lab/con!!!!!!!
And that´s what happens when you let poor European countries that are poor like the developing countries, into the EU. This is just the beginning....And you people thought that Immigrants from your former colonies were/are bad!
Why, if they don't have a permanent abode or British Citizenship, are they not taken straight to a flight back to where they came from? Like it or not!
get rid NOW ! and vote UKIP
Cameron : DO SOMETHING
They should only be allowed in if they have jobs lined up, no chancers and free loaders
It is not their fault.
Istead of offering free flights home how about forcing them on a plane home! If they are polluting our streets and are unable to find a home then ship them back to where they came from.
I hope its a long hard winter!
WHY ARE THEY BEING MOVED ON, THEY SHOULD BE LOADED IN A VAN AND DUMPED BACK ON THE CONTINENT!!!! Why are they here?? they have no means to provide for themselves, they don't speak English - WE ARE A JOKE, TO THEM, GROW A SET CAMERON AND CO, AND GET RID OF THIS SCUM!!!!! If anyone wishes to live in another country you HAVE to show immigration your bank account, have means, skills, qualifications and family who will support you, what is wrong with having the same rules FOR EVERYONE!!!!
Cameron and chums couldn't care less , Milliband and Clegg wont even talk about it . Most politicians are being very British about immigration , I.E sticking their heads in the sand and hoping things sort themselves out . There is only UKIP , anything else is burying our heads in the sand and hoping things sort themselves out .
Camoron and all you other MP idiots, take note and let's hope you don't have this outside your homes, very doubtful
This is the state of the country Cameron is trying to defend. Actions speak louder than words!
Lol, what a dump the UK is becoming... It will be cold soon so lets just cut to the chase and sweep out all the exhibits so they can kip in the museum itself where they will be warm...
Disgusting
What if we all behaved like this? Well, a) there would be no room for them to hang their clothes on our treasured sites, and b) there would be no-one paying into the social security to pay their benefits. For crying out loud Dave, you're the person we entrusted to look after our country. No wonder the Russians think we are weak.
Firstly. They are not going to have any concerns about our history, (you could say why should they, it's not their country). These are desperate people. I feel sorry for them, as they come from an excluded group in their own country. But, that doesn't mean to say I am happy for them to be over here. They offer us only problems and should be deported forthwith. Thank you EUSSR. Time to take control of our borders.
Arrest and deport them under the vagrancy act. Fine them for littering. Arrest them for lewd behaviour. Arrest them under the use of class a drugs. Etc etc
the deputy prime minister should act now and as the PM has other pressing issues would gain the public vote in showing some bottle to regain our country from the evil of the EU and unwanted immigration...
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches. They are not Russians-Russia is NOT in the EU and wouldn't want to be!. Facts right first please!!
How about if they clutter and ruin our priceless monuments like the ingrates they are, they have to do community services. clean up their own mess then everyone elses, not a prison sentence though, that will give them what they want. Repeat offenders are deported out the country.
Reading stuff like this INCENSES me. It is high time to remove these 'people' from our streets and despatch them from whence they came and NO APPEALS. Stuff the EU beaurocrats! And you know what volcano, Italy - there is NO point in having border controls because there AREN'T ANY CONTROLS
WHY? Are we not deporting these people? They are NOT working migrants, NOT working, They turn our parks and gardens into rubbish tips,. This incompetent government has a lot to answer for with their shambles on immigration!!
Soon this will be British people due to the problems in part caused by IDS and the bedroom tax also the constant attacks on the poor.
'They was offered free one way flights home, but the chose London streets instead' why are they being given the option?! Just load them up and send them back!
Enough is enough. Stop this by standing up to the E.U. and changing the law....quickly!
Gordon Brown and Tony Blair are you reading this. You brought them over here for more votes now you are not in power you wash your hands of them, shame on you.
When January comes....just you wait.
Just round them up and on the first plane back to where they came from..France.
Hooray for the EU.. Come and use our country as a toilet. ;-(
Get the Spanish police to move them.....they don;t mess around!
we need to change our rules and only let in from the eu countries those that have accommodation and only allow two years work permit, no benefits at all. if Spain and Greece are not giving any medical help then we must do the same. the rules must be the same for all that's the whole point of the eu!
Wait while next year, what you see now will be nothing compared to then.
It seems in this country no one cares if you destroy churches or any spiritual monument. However, if a war monument is touch everyone gos crazy. Since when did we become a war obsessed nation? We have stop thinking about what happens after death and instead work on ways of creating machines to bring about other people's deaths.
I thought everyone loved everyone?. That whole 'we are all equal' speech I hear daily on here about sexual, racial discrimination. When it's our money on the line, greed comes out. Hypocrites.
Blame her majestys goverment not the eastern european dossers.
these people should be kicked out immediately - why they are even allowed to spend the night there? It is a disgrace. The PRIDE to have a great country is really gone... we are run by muppets.
Wait till January!
No where to go?... how about HOME!
Tony Blair has loads of property that is rarely used, why not house them there? Cherie can then do all her 'human rights' work from home - sorted.
if they are sleeping rough they should be deported as they are clearly not contributing anything to the uk
I thought the whole point of the freedom of movement within the EU was that people could move to WORK freely in the member states. I did not realise it gave the whole of the EU permission to doss in the UK and receive benefits! Why on earth are we letting them in without work or a place to live?!
This is depressing. And this at the same time we read that primary schools are coming under pressure for places - this is partly down to too much immigration as well. At the end of the day we are a small island with limited resources - we just simply can't take any more!
so how many Syrians do you think hes gonna let in
Well why let them in the country in the first place? - nicola , glasgow, 06/9/2013 10:15>>>>>>>I had always believed the open borders were for seeking employment, yet some of the women appear to be much older, I cannot believe they are seeking work. I wonder what the reaction would be if we all arrived on mass in other EU cities parks and squares?
Where are the boys in blue??????????????????????????
I am tired of DM calling all of former soviet block countries "eastern Europeans". Most of former yougoslavian contres are Balcan region, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia is Central Europe, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are Northern Europe and so on. If would be the same if I started calling uk, Italy and France Western Europe and saying that Italians with distinctive Mediterranean features look like Anglo Saxons reporting another wild stag party somewhere in Baltic states. Please, name the country and not a former political block. Otherwise it gives bad name to all other countries assossiated with that terminology.
This is a communist country now so get used to it , because more of the same is coming and our bought for politicians couldn't care less .
Just the tip of the Iceberg wait until next year they will be everywhere. And the members of the Houses of Wasteminster will do nothing.
If I go to America I have to give an address for where I am staying. So why East Europeans can simply turn up with no where to go is wrong. They have somewhere to go - Home. All the Addresses for MPs should be published with transport links to their Gardens. Once camped outside these locations lets see how quickly something is done about the problem.
our government is a bloody joke they should have never have been allowed in to the UK in the first place - operate a system like Canada or Australia - if you've a trade and money to bring to our economy ok, if you've nothing, then no thank you. why should we, the hard working taxpayer fund these scroungers, we don't want them, the crime rate rises, and they are a complete public nuisance, when oh when will they wake up to this?!!!
if they have no job and are sleeping rough the flight home should not be optional
If they have no residence technically they cant get a job. So they are ILLEGAL!!!! Next boat out !!!!!!!
Why would you want to come to the UK and be homeless?
Ah, the joys of EU membership.
Send them back from whence they came! They clearly do not have the means to support themselves as they have no jobs and no home, so will most likely beg and steal from us. They have very low morals and hygiene standards. Why should the honest British taxpayer have to put up with this?
I'd say move them outside of MP's homes but they all seem to have second homes miles away that we pay for as well. This will only get worse, the border agency admits immigration is out of control and they don't know how to stop it!
Your comments: Arrest them for vagrancy, and then deport them first taking their DNA so they can be checked if they try to get back in, BRITIAN is becoming the cesspool of Europe!!!.....voteUKIP
When will our country learn? I'm sure other countries wouldn't allow this.
Round them up, ship them out...
Send them all to where they came pdq.
Send round a police van. Take their details, finger prints etc. Straight to the airport. Deport same day. Job done.
UKIP
If they have no work then kick them back to where they came from!
How about giving them directions so they can go and sleep outside Theresa Mays house and she can pick up their used condoms and excrement?
A good cold winter will get rid of them.
Wait till the EU ban comes off this should be spectacular mwhaha
...it's a direct result of the Tony and Cherie comedy show.
sorry but theres no way i would want to live in london now days hgopefully the weather will sort them out
Why dont a police officer walk round EVERY morning and night and move them a long. I mean what are my taxes paying for? Its not hard.
Stop letting them through the god dam borders then
Nicola It is very simple. Under European law they cannot be stopped from entering the UK. Do not blame the police or Border Force as they can do nothing about it. Until we leave the EU we are stuck with these people whether we like it or not.
They can always go home.
If they have no where to live that has hygiene and toilet facilities they should be collected up and sent home. Or is the government going to wait until some serious epidemic breaks out.
Let them sleep rough outside No 10 perhaps then David Cameron will realize this sort of thing cannot be allowed to continue, plus see what staying in the E.U. results in.
Who is 'His Holiness' ?
pick them up and move them out back to Eastern Europe by the bus load
think this is bad wait till January 01st 2014!!
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane. - jaffacakefuel , London, 06/9/2013 10:02..YEAH BUT thjey simply move elsewhere so the problem doesn't go away it just re locates!
Throw them out!
Just thank David Cameron for this........ he must be so proud off his achievements ...
What`s happened to the vagrancy laws?
Stayed at Park Lane recently where they hang out around the entrance to the tube, ignored their begging, but still intimidating to a woman with 3 kids, a blight on our fab city.
This is disgusting, why are they allowed to stay in the country, they should be rounded up and put in a van back to where ever they came from and not allowed to stay in the country. No Job, No home then don't stay in the country. I have had enough of our taxes supporting people from other countries who have never contributed to the system. the EU is killing this country.
The came here illegally, they have no reason to stay. They should be deported for this, I'm sick of homeless immigrants, some set up camp in the childrens play park by my home, they would get undressed in front of children and it took weeks to convince the council to do anything. If you come here to work, don't have work and don't contribute to society, get the hell out.
Welcome to Blair's Britian.
Not putting anything into the system, yet using up time and money at the expense of the tax payer once again! Pack em up, send em home! We need to adopt the attitudes of the Aussies!
Send the photos and the clean-up bills to Brussels.
Thank you,yet again,Mr.Blair...!
House them next door to all the MP's that voted for this failed social experiment
This is disgusting, why are they allowed to stay in the country, they should be rounded up and put in a van back to where ever they came from and not allowed to stay in the country. No Job, No home then don't stay in the country. I have had enough of our taxes supporting people from other countries who have never contributed to the system. the EU is killing this country.
don't allow them get settled in, move them same day, after they have cleared their mess up.
and the problem is only going to get worse next year !
They are not wanted here in Britain, they are just a strain on our society but remember if Cameron had any guts none of this would be happening and also remember this is just the first trickle of a huge flood heading our way!
If they have no accommodation, they should be booted out...not let loose to go elsewhere.
Deport the bloody lot of them NOW.
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing.
Is this what happens to your country when you have a big heart .
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Eastern Europe and its immense opulence and riches.
A bit more attention to our country and a bit less posing on the world stage may not go amiss Cameron.
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.
Do you think this would happen in Bern? I suspect they would not get in in the first place or if they did cleared out of the country sharp-ish. We are literally and rapidly becoming the toilet of Europe.
Will someone please give them directions to our politician's houses and Westminster. Until the idiots who purport to be in charge have to live with the problems that their ineptitude create nothing will change. The only time our politicians have listened to us is when their jobs, were threatened. Cameron did n't offer us a vote on Europe because it was the right thing to do, he was worried about UKIP. Bear that in mind at the European elections.
That's disgusting
If they are out of work as they claim, then Britain clearly ins't the country for you. Up sticks and try one of the other European countries. They are all just as accessible as you, and some of them even speak your language.
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.
The Tories have had 3 years to think about this FORESEEABLE problem; yet today they are just doing things on the hoof.
Ive worked in two countries abroad and in order to enter these particular two there was strict entry requirements ,the main being details of work/job as the reason you were coming to the country were mandatory,regardless of being in the European union unless they have a job to come to then they should not be let in!
Easy, just take them to their embassy's let them sort it out.
What a sad state of affairs, when are our politicians going to realize that their calling is to run the country for the good of their constituents, and not to turn a blind eye to what is happening to our once green and pleasant land. If our elected representatives feel that they cannot do the job then they should resign and make way for someone who can.
maybe this will shut george galloway up the stupid man wants this.
Why are they 'being offered' free flights home? Surely, if these people do not have a permanent residence and place of work then the flight home should be compulsory not optional? It's time the UK started to get tough on immigration and ignored the 'human rights' brigade.
uk dumping ground for the riff raff
Is it SO difficult to restrict immigrants entering this country unless they have have written proof of a job and somewhere to live - for at least one year after entry. What is the point of border controls????
No sympathy whatsoever, they don't come from war zones or extreme poverty. Go home.
If the people of this country don't vote UKIP at the next election, to end this shameful misuse of our hospitality, then there will be no end to sights like this. Vote UKIP and get us out of the mess that is the EU.
For goodness sake, why can't we deal with this? It's ridiculous, Mr Cameron, SORT.......IT.......OUT.
Bring back the Iron Curtain! Don't blame the EC - it was the fall of Communism that brought about all this.
If they have no where to go what are they doing in Britain and as they are homeless they arn´t there to work are they?
If they arrive here with no money, no job and nowhere to live, turn them away. If they are going to be a burden on the UK, turn them away. Other countries do.
Tony Blair should be made to clear up after these people- after all, he let them come here.
GET US OUT OF THE EU and send these 'benefit migrants' back to any EU country, we do not want them and we cannot afford them. UKIP we need you.
Cameron ... close our boarders before the rest of them pitch up
They are not wanted here in Britain, they are just a strain on our society but remember if Cameron had any guts none of this would be happening and also remember this is just the first trickle of a huge flood heading our way!
Labour opened the doors to all this nonsense the Tories haven't got the guts to do anything about it. UKIP is the only alternative left.
And it's only going to get worse!
We either need much stronger anti-vagrancy lwas or for the police to start upholding those that we do have.
It is simple, keep moving em on until they go home. Under EU legislation they must be able to support themselves even if "on holiday" - if they are living on the streets you can kick them out. A standard three-month stay is only valid if you have somewhere to stay. Read the damn laws properly and stop pussyfooting around. The main obstacle is that stupid UK judges have totally misunderstood the human rights legislation and their idiot judgements have created cases of precedence.
Bless their souls.
what about the thousands of british born homeless people?? not worth reporting hey DM
Starting in the Spring of 2014, the Government admits that as many as 150.000 more will be arriving in Britain. Independent estimates are more like 1.7 Million.....
WE would get arrested,locked up and then deported if we did this in their country
I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is.
It's a wonder they haven't been offered mansions in central London isn't it.
Declare yourself homeless and move up the council waiting list, they obviously did their homework before arriving in London
But they are cheaper to employ!
This is so wrong but politicians do nothing.
im pretty sure theres still a lot more UK homeless people, but that's not worth reporting is it DM
The UK is an absolute joke! Glad i left when i did.
Over crowded England come to mind!
They need to camp out on parliament green then our politicians might get the message. Too little is being done and the easiest solution has always been is to move them on to the neighbouring boroughs rather than addressing the issues.
the only place you will never see them is outside a politicians house. But they are pretty much every where else.
May be the Department For International Development will buy them a house. They buy one for everyone else.
This island will sink soon, it's already on its way. I fear what future my children have.
This is getting ridiculous, thousands of tax payers money is being spent on clearing up their mess every time!
Well why let them in the country in the first place?
Nowhere to go? How about home?
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane.
Costa Del Crime, was always related to Spain where most of the UK criminals go, but it's the UK that takes all the criminals from everywhere else. What more proof do the government need that the EU is not, and never will work for the UK. But having said that, we only have wimps running the UK, and not politicians who are dedicated to looking after the country, there all in it for the money and fame.
And there are people in this country who will be accusing the police of institutional racism for putting these charming visitors from abroad on a list of wanted criminals. They'll tell us that these fundamentally decent lads left their home countries to come here and make a fresh start but are being persecuted by intolerant and bigoted facist rightwing nationalist swine. That's if someone asks. Otherwise they'll just pretend that it's not happening. For certain you'll never get Clegg explaining how this is one of the wonderful benefits of EU membership that's easily worth fifty million a day.
I am really annoyed reading this comments. Frankly one of my relatives happened to be a head of special police unite in warsaw responsible for chasing wanted criminals. We`ve had conversation recently about Polish criminals wanted in Poland staying in England: Polish police managed to find them here in UK, provided Scotland Yard with addresses and asked just to arrest them.What happened? They cannot be arrested due to some silly human rights. I don`t really want to go into more details but maybe someone will read it and do something about it? I agree that all this scum should be returned to the place where they coming from and they are not eligible for any rights. They breached the social codes so why award them with any??
This is no surprise, as the Eastern European countries empties their prisons of their most violent prisoners and sent them on a one-way ticket over to us. They cleaned their records to hide their criminal past. Thank you Tony Blair and Brussels!
UK = European prison island!
We have enough of our own scum with no understanding of the ten commandments "" THE BASIC RULES OF A SOCIETY "" ( forget the church ,,,,) these people don't understand how to live with others that's why they are here ,,,,because our the politicians dont understand either,,,
Ahh the benefits of unfettered immigration and being in the EU are without measure, we've got them all, benefit fraudsters , thieves, pick pockets, rapists murderers, torturers etc etc and all of them here to stay, Tony Blair must be really proud of how he's turned this country into the dumping ground of the world, a safe haven for every piece of scum from anywhere, his motive was to change the face of Britian forever and rub the far rights noses in it, well he's certainly done that alright, along with every other decent British citizen
Some countrys import goods, GREAT britian imports the scumbags of europe,and then cant get rid of them.Is that what politician are paid for? I never knew that Vee.
And many more white collar criminals.
Border controls need tightening.... - she,, somewhere, 24/1/2012 --------------- What a ridiculous statement to make. We all know this so I am sure we don';' need someone to keep repeating the same thing over and over. Your statement means about as much as someone commenting that petrol is going up again. Bob, england, 24/1/2012 16:38--------------------On the other hand, this is the best statement I have read on DM online for a long time. You have hit the nail firmly on the head when you say "border controls should never be surrendered to anyone" and that is exactly what Brown and Blair did with our borders and look at the trouble they have caused and the danger they have brought to us. Their handywork has cost the taxpayer billions in welfare and legal aid and there are dangerous criminals wandering around our streets and living amongst us. Isn't it time that Blair and Brown were brought to book over what they have done to this country.
Thanks to Blair and his fellow traitors, all Britain has become is a penal colony for Europe. With the USA it was "Give me your tired, your poor your huddled masses...." Blair's Britain started with "Give me your benefit scroungers, criminals and serial murderers". Put the Law of Treason back on the statute books and put Blair on trial for treason and crimes against the state, along with a few of his henchmen like Hain and Brown.
Couldn't help seeing a stupid comment just now,' how about UK criminals in europe. Why would anyone, unless they've nicked a few mill, leave the benefits of the UK, no Romania is now a much safer place, as are many EU countrys, when Labour opened our borders to the World the entry rush was led by criminals. I'm just surprised the list of 14 contains only 12 of them.
What about there Human Rights to work ,rest and play in GREAT BRITAIN.
HOW DO THESE SCUM GET VISAS TO ENTER THE UNITED KINGDOM IN THE FIRST PLACE ???????????????????????????????? GET RID TIGHTER BORDER CONTROLS NEEDED
what lovely people we now have in the uk, what exactly do the border control do? thought they were employed to do a good job? think they need lessons from the australians who check everything, passports, the lot, if anyone watches nothing to declare you will know what i mean here. but its true what people are saying here, when they do eventually get caught, all they have to do is cry human rights what about my human rights,its disgusting,no wonder we are the laughing stock of the world.anyone can just waltz in to the country.get a grip cameron, you were elected to govern the country,so do it please,before there are victims of those yobs over here.
Is UK becoming a haven for criminals! Take care of yourself and your children!
12 out of 14 most wanted are Eastern European, that means if we did not have the benefits of EU membership the police would be looking for just 2.
The Council of Europe is what conects everything bad. The European Court of Human Rights, which enforces the European Convention on Human Rights being one of the main bodies of the council. Set up by among others BRITAIN in 1949 by the Treaty of London. It's this european institution that is at fault an institution established by Britain that has outlasted its usefulness decades ago and needs to be disbanded.
In this modern age why can it not be checked .
Help the ugly mob .
Oh they are all so pretty. NOT. None of this surprises me. Yes check the unemployment benefits and housing benefits register and find them on there.
I am sick of hearing about the EU all it has done for this Country is costing us Billions of pounds, and we seem to get all the scum of Europe living here scrounging off and committing crimes.. What I want to know is what the bloody hell are you going to do about it.
Why can't we do what the Yanks do and finger print/eye scan everyone that comes through every airport/port? If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.....
The UK has an open door policy to everyone. EU Human rights dictates that you must be allowed to stay in the UK, freeload, scrounge benefits and commit crimes at will, even if you're an islamic terrorist or serial killer.
Looks like we really need a mutli national, multi cultural society like we need a hole in our heads. We have enough home grown criminals without importing foreign ones
We have enough problems with own, home-grown criminals without importing more from abroad.
surprised---NOT
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England.
'The countries where these crimes happened want these men back to face justice for these offences and it is in the interests of London to help find them.' Well U aint having um ... after all its there... uman rite, innit.
Nooo..! Surely this is wrong...? Do you mean to say that the treaties and agreements that the 'New Lax Left' signed us up for meant that we sleep-walked into allowing these animal nut-jobs to just walk into the UK...? That B.Liar, Plunkitt and Co. actually encouraged these people here, using terms like..'we need ethnic diversity..' and 'As our population proportionately gets older, we need people to replace our decreasing working population...' back in the early 2000's....? That the chaotic immigration system instigated by Labour meant that border control became a joke...? Do you mean that the figures released last year, showing a massive increase in crime, county by county, caused by immigrants from predominately eastern Europe ....is TRUE....? Read it and weep folks....you voted for it.
Everyone is welcomed to England as according to this unelected Government these criminals from europe work far harder than their British competitors.
Fantastic isn't it. The UK overrun by violent immigrant criminals all at the expense of an island. The sooner we have a BNP government for a year or two who can clean up the UK and get rid of all these violent criminals, and the BNP WOULD send them back to their country, at the same time as closing the borders so no more can get in, imagine it just for a minute - wonderful - well it's either that or as someone else put it in another comment, a revolution.
Try getting into the USA, even with just a drink-driving conviction. You might be lucky. Overstay your 90 day visit there - you'll be hunted down and mercilessly locked in a dungeon awaiting being hoofed out. Comeon, we are trying to emulate the USA as much as we can.
its what i said over 20 yrs ago if this country truely becomes a part of the euro, this country will become europe's then the worlds prison, the security cameras are being fitted and those wind farm struts are excellent forcefield barriers, with the chunnel for access to and from, resistance is not futile...
What a surprise, with the UK Borders Agency leaving our doors open for all to arrive without proper criminal and medical checks, we have some of the worst criminals and unhealthy people from Europe, all winging their way to a bedsit or benefit heaven accommodation paid for by the UK Taxpayer. West London has their fair share of good eastern europeans, working hard, paying their way and living normal quiet lives. When you hear you Polish neighbour criticising other Polish for being lazy, good for nothing scum, there really is a problem. My neighbours have Polish local papers sent to them by their parents which details local criminals and they regularly keep in touch with Polish life through the internet - They have said they would not hesitate to call the police if they see or hear of a known criminal in the UK.
I did wonder what all the benefits of being in the EU our lefty politicians keep telling us. Now I know, silly me.........
Tony Blair is entirely responsible for this!
Thank you Labour for allowing these SCUM into our Country.
Grubbie Britain again - Europe's festering armpit.
All the prats stating they we have done far worse to the costa del crime, surely it's up to the Spanish, to police there borders, and arrest wanted criminals, and us to do like wise. Also I seem to recall most of are criminals over there, were hiding in plain sight, spending there I'll gotten gains in there bars. The filth we've got will be claiming benefits, dealing drugs, and screaming human rights when caught ! SCUM
They are only looking for them to give them a house and benefits.
hardly ever see a policeman or his car..When I do it is usually parked in Macdonald Burger car park
Ah that will be the benefits of multi culturism, and diversity that immigration brings to the country. Good ole Tony Blair told us all about it !. The lying filthy maggot that he is
I wonder how long ago these pics were taken. No4 looks very familiar, but a bit slimmer now.
The police have enough domestic crimes to deal with without having the problem of foreign criminals roaming about the UK. How long will they be able to cope with the extra burdens being placed upon them? When will those in power do something about the UK's porous borders?
are you sure about who they are as to me they have the look of contestants in 2012 UK's got talent
WHEN CAUGHT MOVE THEM IN WITH KEN CLARKE HE LOVE THEM........ ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
that reminds me i need to get my car cleaned in the morning
what an evil looking bunch of wasters,line them all up against the wall and shoot them ,save the tax payers money.
It's one thing letting all the polish, romanian etc citizens into the UK, but criminals? Why isn't there a rule in place which stipulates NO CRIMINALS! It should be simple...if you have commited a crime then NO ENTRY! No doubt these are the people who are claiming benefits aswell - I doubt they work..... and they probably commit crimes here in UK and end up in prison at expense of taxpayers. What the hell is going on??? SORT IT ..
This is Labour's legacy
Not one of them is English. Why the hell were they allowed in our Country in the first place?
If caught, they'll only be kept here, living comfortably in prison on tax payers money due to their "human rights". This place is a joke.
They are probably all living in London, next to a police station. carrying on with their life of crime whilst collecting a host of benefits courtesy of the long suffering taxpayer. It should be noted that all those who let this kind of thing happen, all work in the Public Sector!
Why bother? They won't or can't be deported. All that will happen is that the UK taxpayer will end up subsidise their break in HMP Butlins and paying their legal fees to stay here.
Don't forget the ones from Georgia, Chechnia, Russia and Ukraine hiding in the wings, they are also not in the EU but have been allowed into the UK.
When caught send them with their bundles to a prominent Lib Dem, they will appreciate them.
Deport ! Deport ! Deport !
I'm shocked to think we even have pictures of them,do we have to lock them up? they will only complain, then we will have to pay out even more money for their hurt feelings.
Thank you labour voters.
What did Cameron say about ensuring our borders would be secure? How long does he propose to wait before implementing this promise.
The ones that said this would happen were threatened with arrest for racism.
CRIMINALS IMPORTED BY OTHER CRIMINALS.
What is going on with this Country we let the dregs of society in.
These people thrived under a Labour government, every politician involved shouid be prosecuted.
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England. - Phil, Sutton, 24/01/2012 17:14 And that is our problem because............?
All this thanks to the EU, we really need these scum like they need a bullet in the head...
Put all those mugshots on the big poster boards that are in every town in the land and with a big reward. Oh and put them up in every benefits office because they will all be claiming. And bring back HANGING.
The reason you don't see Blair or Cameron on there, is because they are on Britain's MOST UNWANTED LIST.
I bet their all on the dole!
they are living somemwhere, so if they are picking up benifits and housing benifits, the authorities know where they are, but it will be a waste of time and money to go out and catch them, as after they are caught you will have every lawyer in the country fighting to keep them in the UK,, and as for prison that is a joke,as the sentance they would get wouldbe laughable. oh don't forget they will have the "Human Rights" on their side as well. also the PC brigade will be have their say as well. that is the UK today, I also note that they are all immigrants, so the jUdges will have the last say if they can remain in the UK and we know the answer to that will be yes. for thoses criminals it will be win win all the way and they know that.
Another success story for the EU loving government! Traitors!!
scum of the earth free to roam england.
Welcome to today's Britain, where the dregs of society have been allowed in. Immigration Service ??? non existent, just let them in we can't be bothered.
Who the hell let them in anyway? We have become the dumping ground of Europe and we can't get rid of them because of their "rights". What has happened to this once great land?
Since when was Georgia in East Europe?
Just go to their local dole office
They probably took a look at the British riots last summer and thought what the hell is this place we came to and left.-----------------------then again,after seeing the' tributes' paid to the British criminals who passed away,lots of British love their gangsters and thought Britain is the place for them......and they would be correct.
whats the point wasting money and time of the Police tracking them down when trying to bring them to justice will only contravene their human rights and they will never be made to pay for their crimes
Probably selling "Big Issues"
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England. - Phil, Sutton, 24/1/2012 17:14 What a pathetic, uneducated comment. British police are always publishing Britains wanted in Spanish newspapers.
And if they catch them, what will they do? We cannot deport or extradite them, they have 'Uman Rights, the God sent saviour of every criminal. However, they may rest easy, our authorites cannot even catch a cold, and if they do, the lawyers will queue up to defend them and get them out on bail.
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England. - Phil, Sutton, 24/1/2012 17:14==================== Trust the Social Marxists to want a balanced view!
Are they all out there flogging 'The Big Issue' ?
And they said we need them for our economy, believe that believe anythingwe have more then enough, unenployed and getting worse,
What's the point??!! Nothing will happen to them anyway...human rights etc. they'll all have cats/dogs and hundreds of kids with many different stupid women so their "right to a family life" will be the first consideration. Even though they've all ruined thousands of others family lives whilst in the UK....
So we have 10 of the most wanted fugitives on the loose in the UK. Wonder how they got in in the first place. Hopefully they will be caught and removed to face justice in there own country. IT WOULD be very nice to think that our legal system does not try to mess things up with Human rights I dont hold out much hope of common sence ruling the day, but I live in hope.
Well now,UK is so unbelievably easy to enter,that we now have all European most wanted here,they all know just the place to hide and lie low, comfortably on benifits,yes UK is an safe haven for such as this lot.All down to lazy,very lax border controls run by a stupid Govt following EU orders.All in it together, yes right down the pan.
I am sick and tired of seeing and hearing about East European (Romanians in particular) all over newspapers/tv and I am Romanian.If they work legally in UK they should have documents,if they dont have dont let them in.If they come as tourists then they should be able to prove that .i.e accomodation/return ticket etc. With regards to those scumbags i will be more then happy to help the goverment to catch them. FYI not all East Europeans are bad.
Whats the point, we haven't the power's to deport them, our masters in Brussels will not allow it.
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England. - Phil, Sutton, 24/01/2012 17:14 Are we supposed to sort out the rest of europe as well? We can have them back but let the countries they are hiding in round them up, just as we are doing here in "littlle England" .
Britian the dumping ground of Europe,everybodies welcome if its not given to you just steal it nothing will happen if somebody gets in your way see them off nothing will happen how on earth has the ONCE Great Britain got into this state where any evil criminal ( or indeed anyone else ) can just walk in !!!!!!!
"How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England." - Phil, Sutton, 24/1/2012 17:14 >>>>>>>Yes and the incoming lane has far more traffic in it than the outgoing.....
Border Controls were certainly doing their job, weren't they, by letting them in ?? Just check the Council House list and the benefit office and you'll find we are keeping them in luxury... Let our ex military control our borders, I think we would see a big, big difference.....
Isn't it weird how they look like the same man in the mughots, taken at different times of his life (and weight)?
Wouldnt we be better employed making our borders tighter and preventing them getting into the UK in the first place or is that too shocking a statement in this politicaly correct enclave of Strasbourg?
It's reassuring to know that the Tories have been so successful in securing our nation's borders......
My god what a bunch of neandrathuals!I wonder how many more criminals are hiding out in this country?
Support a Party with some backbone, vote UKIP next time around.
Remember this when it's time to vote. Lib/Lab/Con all do nothing which is why I will vote UKIP. I want my country OUT OF THE EU AND BRITAIN to sort its own laws and border controls out and start putting laws into place to keep criminals out. We have enough of our own.
Of cause they are in the uk were else would they be, not in Tony Blairs house I bet, thankyou Labour for letting these people in just to get a vote to stay in power you destroyed this country all on your own.
Looks like plenty of business for the flourishing human rights lawyers!
Even when they are apprehended what's their chances of permanent deportation. Especially once the soft human rights jockeys get on their high horses, not to mention prosecution for any crimes they'll have undoubtedly committed over here. But this is the land of milk and honey to the underneath - a- lorry brigade.
Don't lose sight of reality. Humans are humans, no matter if polish, british or americans. You will find good and bad everywhere. Please be aware that there are many british criminals who ran away from justice and are sitting somewhere else in the EU... maybe in Poland, Spain, Portugal.... or am I wrong? The most important thing is to have a good system to catch all criminals, no matter where they come from and make them pay properly for their crimes.
Is that all or is this the tip of the iceberg.
Try looking in the prisons as well, they may already be there under a different name. If they were wanted by Interpol how come their passports weren't checked when they entered Britain, that's assuming it wasn't false to begin with. Time to start fingerprinting everyone when they come into the country and they don't get to leave the port or airport until they are run through the databases.
How about a manhunt for all those UKcriminals hiding out in Europe? It is two way traffic, little England.
Dont blame the EU - blame our lazy authorities - Georgia and Albania are not EU members
dont see cameron or blair on there
Good old UK. The dustbin and laughing stock of the world.
YOU KNOW WHEN YOU FIND THEM? SENTENCE THEM TO HOUSE ARREST IN BLAIR'S MANSION. I BELIEVE HE'S GOT THE ROOM.
Dave, Leeds, I'm sure there's lots of low life British scum in Europe....I'm talking about the above "Low life scum" who are here. What's so hard to understand ?...
Check the benefits register then you'll find them!
fistly how do they get past customs, do we have east europeans checking passengers now. if caught then what happens, they use the human rights law and then are allowed to stay here. then they will claim benefits and the lawyers and translators make mega bucks. whilst the tax payers pot gets less and less.
Anyone else want to bet even if they do get caught, some Human Rights Legistlation will prevent them being deported. If they are in the UK, they are here to stay.
bet most of live here in peterborough
Isn't it wonderful. We are world leaders in the breeding of chavs and criminals but yet successive Governments in their wisdom decide that we don't have enough of them so they top up by importing from Europe and reward them by putting them on benefits. Has there ever been a more crazy, incompetent country ever in the history of this planet?
Maybe we should adopt the same methods as the Australian government!
I wonder how many of these scumbags would be protected by Tony (night in shining armour) Bliar's 'Human' Rights act????????????????????What a clown.
Oh those poor poor Romanians. Lets give them houses and feed them as they can't help being criminals can they? I expect Mr. Blair, who loves them and invited them all to live in Britain will share his nice home with them.
If they are wanted back home, the extradition arrangements mean they can easily be sent back to another EU country. Why is it in Britain the police and authorities are so useless when it comes to tracking down and arresting wanted criminals like these? They seem to disappear into the woodwork, and are all probably claiming large amounts in benefits with assumed identities.
So we catch them; then what will 'we' do? Wouldn't want to send them back, they might be punished bless their cotton socks! They have rights doncha know!
Aren't we lucky that EU rules allow just any dross to come and live in this country? And our governments, past and present, welcome immigration and do nothing to safeguard the population.
Border controls need tightening.... - she,, somewhere, 24/1/2012 there are no border controls for EU member states all people in the EU can come and go as they please , you cant keep EU criminals out, Blair signed are controls away to the EU. Border controls should never be surrendered to anyone
just think, this open door policy was nothing to do with european rules (certain countries had an opt out, we didnt apply) this was all about flooding the job market with cheap imports to drive the wages of the lowest paid in society down, regardless of the cost to society (no criminal record checks for eastern european workers) funny how you never see eastern european chief executives of traders, who'll do it for half the price or no bonuses, or god forbid, no honours every new year
MOST WILL HAVE A CAT OR A BUDGIE BY NOW SO THEREFORE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE SENT BACK! ALL C**P PLEASE COME TO BRITAIN!
Made possible by our useless politicians, assisted by immigration lawyers who will readily serve any foreigner threatened with deportation. All on legal aid, of course.
isnt it comforting to know these scumbags are at large in our green and pleasant land . uk border force get a grip
Some of these comments are so ignorant. "Oh the benefits of the EU"... "Why let this scum into the country?" etc.... Now you know how Spain feels with having their coasts immersed with the biggest thugs Britain has to offer......
ShouldnÂ’t the headline be. Living in a council house near you ---ect
You know the sad part about this story, apart from this scum being allowed in to the Uk in the first place, is that even if their caught there will be a thousand and one lawyers, solicitors and bleeding heart groups demanding that they are allowed to stay in the Uk. Even sadder is the fact the judiciary will agree with them. British citizens are a down trodden minority. Will any one fight our cause??????????
"Welcome to England"- me, Maidstone uk___________Um and Wales and Scotland and Northern Ireland. I cry for this country. Why people are having children is beyond me, what do you think it will be like when they grow up?
Why bother catching them? If they are caught, then human rights will kick in and they will be given free accommodation and benefits.
SO what if they are found ! Nothing can be done to them due to they probably have cats or even play cricket.
Britain is now the dumping ground for the filth and scum who are welcome no where else on the planet.
The government should be sued for infringing the basic human rights of decent, law abiding, tax paying people - that is the right not to live in fear of these feral feckless migrants they have deliberately allowed to come into our once great nation unchecked, not vetted & unmonitored by our incompetent politicians & its public servants.
And I'm sure other countries; like Spain, have enjoyed playing host to large numbers of our hardcore criminals over the years. It's hardly news is it? 'criminals escape their own countries' like that's something new. I'm sure there are plenty of Eastern European criminals holed up in countries all over the world. In the same way that there are no doubt plenty of UK criminals doing the same. Just another non-story for the permanently outraged to enjoy. Oh, but of course it's the DM website so nothing new there then.
None of the three parties care. They only want more in. We know who to vote for in 2015 if Britain is still in existence! Thank you Blair and Labour. Traitors.
courtesy of the eu, all the crap comes into britain, and no doubt on massive benefits, and of course with the court of human rights on their side
Labours idea of a multi-cultural Britain.
What about the home grown scum like the rioters? So many of them have just got away with it. We need to clean up our native filth as well.
Ahh the joy of open borders...nice one - Matt, London ................and how many low-life British scumbags are living in Spain, Portugal, Greece, Holland, etc.... evading British Justice
As if we dont have enough of our own scum
The joys of the EU eh? - - Rob, England, 24/1/2012 15:38 Albania and Georgia are hardly members of the EU.
LIVING IT UP COURTESY OF US THE WORKING BRITISH!!!
And when the resources have been used and spent to catch these people some judge somewhere will let them off and allow them to stay here.....One sick country!
We are second to none on refugees.We welcome them with open arms.
Theres another good enough reason to leave the EU
Welcome to England
All thanks to Blair and his "Open door" policy-he should be sent the bill for apprehending these beauties.
Have a look at the scum in England and i bet its way worse.. !!!
Ah yes, the blair/brown multicultural open door policy is now spurning its very own Frankenstein's monster - thanks a million nu-labor.
What happens to them when plod catches them?
We pay £60million per day as subs to belong to this corrupt club...and this is what we get in return. The government has a duty of care to the British people and they are failing to protect us on every level.
I suspect these lovelies are just the tip of the ice berg. Come one, come all, We're daft here.
Border controls need tightening....
I suspect these lovelies are just the tip of the ice berg. Come one, come all, We're daft here.
Don't forget about Pests from the West either.
The joys of the EU eh?
Blimey, I thought at first it was a photo of another load of crooks - Labour's front bench!
charmers!
"Tracking down 10 most wanted European fugitives on the run in Britain"...Well have you tried the DHSS Office or the Big Issue seller on the street corner. Failing that try the most expensive villa in the area.
How many from eastern europe?!!! -good job we dont have open borders to the EU .... DOH!!!!!
Ahh the joys of open borders...nice one
some lovely looking lads there.
Once again govt's are putting the lives of the indigenous at risk, they should be ashamed of themselves. I thought that when we got rid of the vile, destructive Labour Party... things would change...it seems not. isn't it a government's job to protect it's people - well it's time they started doing that, because we have had enough of them all letting in despicable people like this.
Oh, the benefits of EU membership and 'uman rites?
UK you made your bed now lie in it. UK wil never be the same anymore
The result of letting Tony BLiar and his gang run riot for 13 years, although the new Emperor in number ten doesn't seem any better.
We do let some scum into this country
Bet they are living in council houses and claiming too.
When did Albania and Georgia join the EU?
Looking at the pictures, you couldn't wish to meet a nicer bunch of guys, could you? And this is only the eleven they know about - or tell us about - from eastern Europe. What about those from the rest of the world?
I am sick and tired of hearing about everything being racist this and racist that.
So what are they doing about his fish thefts?
A bit of communication could do magic, if someone wants to take a fish with them than try to encourage them to go fishing in the sea. Instead of harassing try to educate that in UK not taking the fish is a habit and general rule.
Look, its the pro-doscrimination crowd. Fighting for their right to judge people based on their nationailty! Its funny really.
My ten-year-old was astonished and shocked to see it.¿ -- Yeah, that's believable, a 10 year old boy shocked and astonished, absolute rubbish!
"my 10 year old was shocked to see it"..get a grip...i think you lie....
Surely it's against their Human Rights NOT to have it translated in to umpteen languages at, as usual, massive expense to us?
Reminds me of the "No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish" signs you used to see in pubs years ago. Disgusting attitude. I thought we were passed this
The guy is Racist. Should get the good lesson.
I'm not at all surprised by this. It seems that today the police's main concern is to stay within ridiculous PC guidelines rather than catch the criminals who are stealing this mans property. What a joke.
This word racist is so ridiculously overused - and wrongly used for that matter. Most Eastern Europeans are exactly the same race as the so-called 'White British.' is not that they are a different race that is a problem but the fact that they have an entirely different culture.
FGS stop using the word racist if anything its discrimination.
It's his land, he should be able to do whatever he wants with it.
These labels are flung around so casually by the left and they are never held to explain or justify them. In the current almost hysterical climate of being "offense averse" the mere labelling of someone as racist or fascist or homophobic or islamophobic is often enough to stifle all further discussion. But those using these labels should be called upon to explain and justify them. In this case the man in question has been labelled by some correspondents as racist, some even calling for him to be prosecuted. The sign specified "East Europeans" so is "East European" accepted as a racial or ethnic grouping? If so into what category does it fall? Is it some previously unidentified subset of the Slavic races? But not all east Europeans are Slavic etc etc. The absurd example is to call anti Islamic comments as racist, as one of the boasts of Islam is that it has followers of all races. Hold those who use such labels to account and demand they explain their (mis)use of them.
It's a wonder the Police didn't trip over their size twelves and claim compensation.
Blame the inertia of the police.
Plenty of fishermen catch and remove the carp from fishing lakes here in France. And most of those are French and NOT from Eastern Europe. There are rules about the size of fish which can be taken, but many just ignore those. We also caught some French men wading in the river on OUR property. They were catching fish with their hands by shooing them into the banks prior to stealing them. So people of all nationalities can be capable of the same crime. That is why this gentleman's sign cannot be correct, as it generalises about ALL members of a particular nationality or ethnic group.
How can this be a racist hate crime? It's not racist, it's technically xenophobia which isn't racist. Obviously plod hasn't anything better to do. I'd have to told plod where to go
Last time I looked east Europeans were indeed Europeans, like me. So how can it be a race crime when we are the same race? Nationality does not equate to a different race. I'm sick of this utter frivolous nonsense by the police. Did one of them try to sue him too? Go and catch the fish thieves.
"call the police"? .....hahahahahaha... Bad idea cartier! He'll be arrested and taken away for his non PC opinion and then all the fish will be stolen in his absence. For those who feel this man is wrong about who is sealing his fish I would like to point out that as a rule the British have never been Carp eaters even though carp have been available here for years. Carp, however are most definitely on the menu in Eastern Europe. Carp and chips.... no thanks. Glen .... Southampton.
At the end of the day it is his fishing lake, he owns it, he bought it, he runs it. If he knows or sees or hears that Americans (for example) are stealing his fish he is entitled to ban Americans from fishing at his lake.
Since when have eastern Europeans been another race? Same as when the police say having a go at Islam is racist, no it's not. Islam is a religion not a race of people.
This is a typical example of discrimination against nationality. Website says ''Fishing at Dog Lane is available to anyone with a valid EA Licence and who purchases a Day Ticket''. I he want to ban fishing he would have to do it for everyone not just for his chosen group of people. Just wonder what is going to happen when ,great-grandfather Eddie Whitehead , will need an emergency ambulance and it will arrive with Eastern European doctor on board!
is there any real news in this paper today? or any day for that matter.
Ha Ha, Call the Police, it will take them forever to respond, if they respond at all, to busy filling in bail forms for Burglers, and robbers.
Well as I see it if he owns the property then he is entitled to say who may and who may not enter
Maybe he should put a sign up to the effect "No Entry to people who haven't lived in the area for three years or more" and turn a blind eye to the British who haven't. That should keep the great British Police force off his back.
A sign saying "No Carp Stealing" would have been more appropriate. Then again, that would probably be fish-ist.
Funny, on one hand, but then again, how does he know who is from Eastern Europe and who isn't? Many people over here look pretty much the same as the English do, you know? If I sat down on the bench, would he just come to me and ask me to ID myself? :D
All anglers have known this for a number of years . Thing is if you say anything your classed as a racist Wake up Britain before its too late I know who I shall be voting for . UKIP SPEAKS MY LANGUAGE And I am nor a racist
eddie whitehead your not breaking the law for stopping them from fishing if its your private property.your in the same situation when a landowner stopped them fishing on his lake in oxfordshire and cleaned out all the fish in it 'you are in your right to put the sign up..and have who you want to fish in it, .
No dogs, No Irish, No blacks... and now No Eastern Europeans. I suppose Mr Eddie never leaves UK as he is gravely scared of any non British people. P.S. If he is rich enough to own a fishing lake he should invest in fence.
Why not write a country? Eastern Europe is big with many countries. Not every Eastern European countries people are bad and steal. Some do have laws about fishing. I know that in Slovenia it is not allowed to fish in lakes and rivers without a licence. You're not even allowed to throw a bait, catch a fish and release it. It's stupid to post a sign like that. It's as if in Greece they would put a sign in a street "No western Europeans" because British teens drink en mass and cause havoc.
"He Claims" so, trial by media and guilty!
Send the European anglers to Australia for fishing trips. Carp here are in plague proportions that's big fish, fish not sprats. Imagine all the carp you can eat all in the freezer on the return trip. Its illegal to return carp caught back to the water. i remember Menindee lakes, carcases along the bank!!!!
Fair play to the bloke fish stealing is rife since we had mass immigration forced upon us! why shouldn't he ban them? Anyone who goes fishing knows how bad its getting. The swans are going missing as well! The loony lefties need to wake up!
All you PC lovies can whine as much as you like it being racist and how it's not the fault of eastern Europeans, but as I am married to a Pole I will tell you something. It most certainly IS eastern Europeans stealing his fish. No one in Britain has eaten carp or pike since the dark ages. In fact, it is very difficult to buy here because of this. But my other half loves it, especially carp at festive times like Christmas. Big carp in a fishery are expensive. Some are worth thousands of pounds!! And that's not counting the revenue that people knowing you have big fish to catch will bring - £20 a day to sit by a high quality lake and fish down here in the south. The police will inevitably do nothing at all to help this guy. They would stand by and defend the 'Uman Rites of the criminals rather than prosecute them as thieves. So what choice does he have? Putting up a sign saying "pretty please don't eat my fish" in as many languages as you like will do nothing.
obvious racism and hope he has his bag packed and ready for a few days in chokie , unless it`s removed pronto............- thommo , solihull, 10/4/2013 please tell me you are planning to emigrate very soon, over the top PC people like you have ruined this country. I am an angler and some Eastern Europeans are a problem as coarse fish are part of their diet and they see it as a free meal.
Considering the plethora of laws you Brits have....I'm surprised you don't have one about promoting hatred!
a passer by was shocked when he saw the sign all i can say is go get a life
More power to your elbow mate.
In my country he would get a FAT fine and would be excluded from community.
I am sure they are Eastern Europeans', Mr. Whitehead says. Presuming the thieves work during daylight, he must be very good at recognizing what country people are from. If he bases this on seeing them at night, then it is again perfectly clear what he sees: nothing. Even he admits he has no evidence about the ethnic background of whoever is stealing his fish! He adds: 'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans. I've had no problems with people from other countries.' Well, Eastern Europe is not a country, it is a region, so he has had no problems with people from other countries, even those in Eastern Europe. BTW, most countries, even East European ones have laws on fishing, stipulating which fish can be kept or which must be put back in the water. Red arrows, please! - kate, austria, 10/4/2013 17:27 Thanks God continental europe has more intelligent people. I think only frustrated people could give you red arrows .
I am British and I hate Britain, does that make me a racist?
I got red arrowed for my comment, but was not surprised. Strange that just a few people have said this man, instead of putting up signs, should install CCTV, ask police to patrol the area more frequently, or put up a fence and instead of searching vehicles that leave (can he do that legally?), he should charge a fee for entry on his private property and fishing there, if it's his livelihood and investment at stake. Far fewer people would go there, and hardly any to steal fish, irrespective of which country they come from.
come and live in boston,i dont think we have any fish or ducks left
The only people I ever see fishing the River Trent during the close season are all eastern europeans. They do take pike for the pot. They also plead ignorance of our fisheries byelaws. I'm not surprised he's put the sign up, makes things simple ad straightforward.
good for him, i would do the same thing too,
" you don't expect to see this ignorant, racist kind of thing"----------Funny how often people who stick ignorant and racist together in a sentence are themselves ignorant about what racism (or race) is. If he'd put up a sign saying "no people with shaved heads", would that be ignorant and racist too?
"Reminds me of the no Jews signs I read about before the Germans start throwing them in Ovens... - Andy , Kingston, 10/4/2013 15:49

Reminds me of signs that say ""no tresspassing"" or ""only 4 children in the shop"" or ""no poaching"" ""no admittance to people with dirty boots"". It is nothing to do with the holocaust and it is offensive to hijack that awful offence for something completely different."
I totally support the chap, my local river as been plundered by Eastern Europeans, and yes i have proof, i've seen them with my own eyes. Carp apparently is a favoured dish in Eastern Europe so naturally they are going to raid our rivers and lakes, thats the problem with multiculturism, they bring their own culture over with them and as you should know, you complain and you're branded a 'waycist'.
Nice one......
If people want to live in the UK then they should abide by UK laws and not their own!
It's private property and as such he can refuse entry to whoever he likes.
What people need to understand is that fish caught from fisheries of this nature are always returned alive. People pay for the right to catch fish maybe take a photo of their catch, thats it. People from eastern europe find this mind-set incomprehensible, you go fishing and eat what you catch. The same problem has been experianced in our inner city park lakes but doesnt stop at fish as the diminishing swan population will testify. So I feel Eddie Whitehead is perfectly within his rights to ban whomever he likes from his water and simply trying to protect his busnes and people crying out about racism need to have a long hard honest look at the situation.
This man is pefectly right!!!!
Since he owns the property, close the lake to everone. Problem solved.
Nice to see all the leftist out in force - ooohhh it's racist... What utter twaddle? We used to have swans near where i live, that is until certain people killed them and ate them..
East Europeans are white caucasians same as the pond owner and therefore cannot be racist ? His sign should have read " no white people" and therefore everyone would be happy and say nothing ?
Perhaps ' no stealing fish' would be better. After all no one has been caught
I felt badly reading this. I am Polish sometimes visiting your country, never fishing neither here nor there. Will I be checked and brought to police if I go for a walk there by accident? I assure you, that fishing without permission is strictly forbidden in Poland. Simply if you fish you have to have a valid document of fisher's union and never ever do it outside places where it's allowed. Of course we have poachers. But they are prosecuted like in any other country. Let me know why oh why don't you find this note racist? Because I am the same race as you are? Which race of Britons do you mean? If it's not racist, probably it's pure linguistics, but still not fair. Civilised owner would write "no fishing", " thieves will be prosecuted" or something like this. That's a shame.
Stop 'carping' on and install security cameras round the lake?
I do have a certain sympathy with him. A local charity has a fishing lake for disadvantaged children and they have restocked it twice. They did catch two thieves and yes they were Polish, they'd come off the farms nearby. Think the wages are so low they have to find alternative ways of eating.
Good for him.
Good luck mate I banned Eastern Europeans off my lake a few years back,the ban is still on they didn't have the bottle to take me to court. Stick with it. Tony @ Trentside fishery Grimsby
His lake, his rules . It is happening all over the country. Swans are also being shot and eaten . Do you think that British people are doing that ? Maybe CCTV would help ?
Serves him right, making money off living creatures. He's not worried about the fish's welfare/livlihood when he sells them, is he?
What a nice bloke
Even the DM notes that there's no evidence whatsoever that it's Eastern Europeans. The fish are probably dying after looking at that miserable owner's face.
This has been going on for years. My Polish next door neighbour has two pike heads nailed to the door of his shed. Bizarrely it's still legal to take fish from rivers (never met a fisherman who agrees with it) if of a certain size/number but taking anything other than those allowed is an offence. Fish can only be taken from still waters with written permission of the owner or club. He should check rod licences and report any who do not have one to the EA hotline immediately. More chance of them getting a £2.5k fine for no licence than taking his fish sadly. Just another culture clash.
Well, yes, in Eastern European cultures there are such practices, it's cultural matter, someone that goes fishing can take home some fish for the table but within a decent limit and only if he/she has a fishing permit. Plus you cannot fish any time you like to - this is somehow restricted by law, when it is time for fish to lay eggs fishing is forbidden, and people that do so in such periods are fined. So don't imagine that things happen just like that, nature is protected, and so are fish species. And true fishermen always respect that. Nevertheless such unhappy events take place, you could ask police to interfere and solve the problem no matter nationality and problem is solved faster than showing off announces that could only instigate and develop felings of hate between people no matter their nationality. There more decent ways to solve such problems but this means to take some social responsibility as well.
Look, they were caught red handed at my local fishery and suddenly they all stopped going because the owner decided to watch them all. No chance of fish? No chance of them bothering to fish was the result
The East European Race that's a new one.
The usual suspect blamed by fishing lake owners for disappearing fish is an otter followed by calls to kill all local otters. Perhaps he should get some security cameras to determine the fish taker. Claim for losses caused by "unseen" thieves can be made on insurance but unless he has a good policy otter loses are not covered.
We need to ensure that we are not violating their human rights in any way.
It is not racist. It is culturalist. It is recognition that cultural differences and attitudes can affect how well people blend with each other.
Forget the rest of the story. This is racist and its clearly illegal. I trust the DM have reported this to the police and handed in the evidence?
'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans', Mr. Whitehead says. Presuming the thieves work during daylight, he must be very good at recognizing what country people are from. If he bases this on seeing them at night, then it is again perfectly clear what he sees: nothing. Even he admits he has no evidence about the ethnic background of whoever is stealing his fish! He adds: 'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans. I've had no problems with people from other countries.' Well, Eastern Europe is not a country, it is a region, so he has had no problems with people from other countries, even those in Eastern Europe. BTW, most countries, even East European ones have laws on fishing, stipulating which fish can be kept or which must be put back in the water. Red arrows, please!
How can the sign be racist? It doesn't mention any race. If anything, it's East European-ist. As for calling the police - they'd only be interested if the fish were exceeding the speed limit or parked on yellow lines.
As an Eastern European I hate to read/hear such stories. How desperate do you have to be to steal someones fish from a pond to eat it?! I mean people keep fish they catch in Poland if they pay some licence or something. But that's in Poland and here is Britain but some clearly don't care.
obvious racism and hope he has his bag packed and ready for a few days in chokie , unless it`s removed pronto..............
"Nothing racist" reminds me of Apartheid-signs "White people only" or Nazi discrimination "Not for Jews" with similar explanations. Nip things in the bud!
Goo on yer mate.
I am Eastern European, working in the UK for 9 years, currently completing my PhD and looking forward to become an academic. I am not a scam, I don't claim benefits, don't smuggle cigarettes, don't steal fish etc! Can you please stop harassing me! It is absolutely ridiculous to pick on Eastern Europeans all the time without any reason. British people commit crimes, drink excessively, steal things (like my coat last week in the nightclub) so they are ALSO not perfect. What I recently observe in the media is an unprecedented attack on people who practically share the same values as British and I simply cannot understand all the hate towards us. There are so many minorities in the UK and only Eastern Europeans are targeted by the campaign full of prejudice and very full of lies.
he doesn't know the ethnicity of the fish thieves, it could be anyone struggling with trying to pay their bedroom tax and increase in council tax payments.
In Ireland , their at it whole time, the amount of Pike { a protected species} taken is giving cause for concern ,,THe Dept of Fisheries is fighting a silent battle with them , I wonder what would happen if irish people went to Eastern Europe and broke the law , ???????????
hahaha hilarious
Illegal. Simple as that.
Prove who it is before making these ridiculous signs!
..its about time someone told it as it is.. add to his missing fish, half the swans in london parks have vanished..& where we live cats are disappearing at an alarming rate!..lets face facts. its not racist or "not pc" but if you take a few thousand people used to a certain way of life where struggle, hardship & hungers an everyday thing then let them enter a country like the uk, these things are bound to happen & a lot worse..a lot lot worse I fear when our bulgarian cousins come over in droves...
Problem is if he does report it to the Police they will be too scared of being branded racists themselves or even too inept to do anything about it. This guy can't win as the law favours the criminal and not the OWNER
Don't fall for the lefty claptrap; an Englishman's home etc - and that includes his lake. Personally I'd have attack dogs patrolling the grounds. Hurrah for UKIP! - CaptainGinger, Islington, 10/4/2013 12:17 ================================================================================================== Your ukip world doesn't sound very enticing
How can it be racist when East Europeans are the same caucasian race as the English? Unless of course Mr Whitehead is of African or East Asian descent and the man in the photo is just a stand-in?
They are taking fish all over the Fens as well.
Remind me how fishing works. This is a fishery right. Are you actually supposed to put the fish back? So they get caught repeatedly? That seems wrong to me, I assumed people went fishing to catch fish, take them home and eat them
Yet again a British citizen in his own back yard says it how it is and the left wing brigade come out in force. Its thanks to these left wing do gooders that this country is in the state it is.
Put up a sign "Private Property" trespassers will be shot!
He may be right but a sign saying "Don't steal the fish" and install CCTV (it is relatively cheap now) would be more effective. - Nini, London, United Kingdom, 10/4/2013 11:44..................Yeah right. That would work. These people are unlikely to get caught and if they are nothing happens to them. His best bet is to lawfully treat his fish with fungicide to kill white spot and put a sign up warning that the fish are inedible.
"One walker passing by said: 'It's bizarre, backward and racist. It's the sort of thing you're shocked to see in this day and age." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes shocking - if you've been indoctrinated by the liberal-left elite and the BBC. Can one get a degree in "Being Shocked" these days? His land, his lake his fish...
This is akin to placing a sign saying, "No Dogs or Indians allowed" during the Raj or "No Black, No Dogs, No Irish" sign during the 70s from a potential landlord in UK. But then what more can we expect from the descendant of colonialist !!! No wonder, Britain's today's generation's suffering due to the ill-deeds of their ancestors, across the globe.
If people want to live in our country they should live by our rules or leave. Simple.
Good for him
Bravo! The sign is absolutely spot-on, I am a bailiff on a local water and every time we catch people stealing specimen fish from our waters they are ALL from Eastern Europe.
Its a big problem. Someone netted my lake and stole the carp too...I haven't bothered to replace them.
How about notice on a pub entrance door in Krakow - 'No Stag Parties'. Guess why did they put it there?
he put up a sign, big deal. I get the looks clearly saying I'm not welcome even though I don't steal anyone's fish ;)
its not RACIST its the TRUTH. we have the same problem near us. the eastern europeans dont put the fish back. they take them home to eat. the same goes for the wildfoul that live on the lake ;they seem to like graylag geese and swans.
To be fair we all know who takes the carp and who eats all the swans etc, but we are not allowed to tell the truth anymore. We need politicans with the balls (no I don't mean that idiot Ed) to do something about this country although I fear it may already be too late.
I,m forced to eat Carp at xmas in Poland,, its foul
Good man!
His campsite must be like Fawlty Towers with tents.
The sign is as distasteful as the fish.
"They've obviously had problems with people taking fish, judging by the other signs they've put up. But you don't expect to see this ignorant, racist kind of thing." Some people really are terminally confused in their own heads. He accepts they've been taking fish and accepts it's wrong then criticises the sign singling them out because they've been deliberately doing wrong by taking the fish. I really wonder how these "right-on" individuals can operate without their brains exploding because of their inconsistent thought processes.
I'd sue him!
No different to the petrol stations in Bradford with "Asian Taxi Drivers Only" signs.
A sign won't stop the fish from being stolen.
No doubt he'll get life imprisonment yet if some loony lefty or vengeful immigrant attacked him they'd get community service.
Good for him !! These people killed a beautiful swan on my local river and left the mate devastated, her pain was so clear to see, she just floated on the water with her head diwn and there was NOTHING I could do. It killed me ......
Protesting about Eastern European's eating freshly stocked fish is racist? Burn the witch, stone him, duck him... ooops that was for heresy wasn't it? Ahem... Socially exclude the racist, sack him, fine him, jail him!
I personally prefer to blame the Swiss.
Why are all of the logical comments being thumbed down? This is the wrong way to handle the situation, and quite frankly it's reminiscent of the segregation days "No blacks, No dogs, No Irish" Hmm Just when you think progress has been made in society.
if it ain,t nailed down that will get nicked as well
Its not rasist, he's just defending his livelihood. Its a fact that certain easten europeans are stealing thousands of pounds of carp and pike from fisherys all around the UK. They have even been caught draining sections of the grand union canals all around hertfordshire, damaging boats in the process so 15 - 20 indeviduals can net all the carp and pike in the section without the hastle of fishing for them. somthing has to be done before stocks are decimated all over the country.
Good for him!
I know of a fishery very close to this one, the game keeper has to search their bags and often finds fish in them. They are then made to pay. Feel sorry for the bloke, trying to make an honest living.
This man is just trying to protect his livelihood. A widepread problem, as with the two swans shot by, probably, police believe, an E European man on the River Avon in Dorset recently.
Of the revenue from our annual fishing licence, we now have a great deal of it spent on policing waters from eastern Europeans plundering our fish stocks. The wildfowl suffer too. I have lost count of the times I've fished places where passers by tell us of eastern Europeans who've cleaned the place out - often with nets. This problem is rife, everybody knows it and serious action needs to be taken. I have heard of people taking the law into their own hands - this man has been driven to this and deserves support, not criticism.
Your comments:Doesn't he look a nice chappy....not!
That man is only rascist when politicians and police toke action when they fish all places empty. BUT.. this man and ALL EU citicens are on their own in the battle against the lots of eastern europians because they play the game by differant rules. (not all) This man is RIGHT. In the Netherlands where i live there isnt a SINGLE fish in lakes or rivers because those eastern europians have differant morals and dont leave any fish for others or think about nature. So the goverment in all EU are overruled by action like this man that takes action because his goverment has let him down Where else would this man turn to if he didnt take action himself???? (obviously police let him down!). In the past there were rules and morals that were respected by natives,but others dont care about those rules,if you dont know what i mean you have not been in WEST EU the last 15 years.
What next no Irish or no Jews? This man has an evil heart it reminds me of the old days when people used to use divide and conquer tactics to keep us all apart.
Why are the british so racist?
I've fished a river opposite an eastern European chap three years ago, I watched him over the five hours put everything he caught into a plastic bag and then walk away with all sorts of species of fish. Now that same river it would take you a week to fill the bag as there are no fish left. SO GOOD ON HIM!
his lake, his rules..
He has put this sign up cause its true, i seen it first hand when taking dogs for walk, me and others have seen eastern europeans taking fish from our local fishing lakes, i know they are cause you hear them talking to each other, normally gangs of at least 3-5, we report it but nothing ever gets done, if you speak to them they either claim to not speak english or not understand, also swans have been killed and taken.
Poor guy doesn't know what he's let himself in for, when the PC brigade get through with him he will be putting up a sign asking if the fish thieves would like him to supply chips free of charge with their stolen fish, said sign will have to be in twenty eight different languages of course !
To all of you simpletons out there. How can it be racist, eastern europeans are the same race as most of us, They are just a different nationality. Racism is about race and not nationality, do try and understand that simple fact. Another simple fact is that virtually all people who have been caught stealing carp and, here in Lincoln, killing our treasured swans have been eastern europeans. It is a huge problem.
Easy for the people who are criticising him but perhaps they would like to finance the ongoing restocking of fish instead? I'm sure once they were the ones who had to pay for it they wouldn't have such open minded ideas.
I feel sorry for that the bloke is having his stocks plundered - but wouldn't it make more sense to have invested the money on security (CCTV etc.) instead of putting up an ineffective and frankly ignorant sign? - I guess tarring several million people from a dozen different nations with the same brush makes him feel better
You will find too that swans, ducks and geese have been disappearng from our lakes, rivers and canals
"call the police"??.....hahahahahaha....good idea!
I remember in the 1980's the Irish blaming the German's for fishing all the pike from their lakes and rivers. In a number of cases it turned out to be local people as they could sell them on to the restaurants that were looking to add them to their menu's to make a few bob from German diners. Who should we blame in this case I wonder?
Something fishy going on here....................
Nothing racist about that sign, eastern Europeans are the same race as him.
There is a lot of truth in what this fishery owner is saying. Across the whole country people are reporting the same thing where fish levels are declining because Eastern Europeans, who seem to think it¿s normal behaviour, are actually taking their catches home to eat! Probably because they can¿t afford to buy fish due to their low incomes because they come over here and take all the jobs by undercutting British workers and then send home their money home which in their country is a huge amount. These people don¿t integrate and don¿t contribute. How can they when they send all their money home. But you¿re not allowed to say this as you are then branded a racist or a bigot by the looney left and all those doo gooders who live ion a bubble.
The thing is in England(and a few other countries) we corse fish for fun but the eastern europeans (and others) fish for food so they take every thing home and a lot of the time its to small too i have seen it my self, i know a lot of lakes in Poland have been fished out because of this,its a cultural thing we don't eat so much fresh water fish in the uk but in most of Europe they do,its a shame because it will ruin the fishing for everyone.
The owners obviously have forgotten that this is no longer the country of FREE SPEECH, and you are only allowed to say what our leaders allow you to say despite, WHAT YOU THINK.
There is a clash of cultures here. In the UK and across western Europe it is normal to catch fish as a hobby or indeed a sport and then put them back into the water for someone else to try and catch. Unfortunately though the same rules of engagement don¿t seem to apply to Eastern Europeans as in their culture it is normal to catch fish and take them home to eat. Once again we see here someone objecting to the ways of a foreign culture and in doing so being branded a racists by the loony left and all the doo gooders ¿ probably the same ones who celebrate when a famous old lady dies.
This can't be racism as being 'Eastern European' is not classed as a race. Discrimination, yes but his lake/land his rules. Good luck to him.
It was reported a few weeks ago that Eastern Europeans were stealing fish stocks. I don't blame him at all.
i live in southern spain and when the eastern europeans arrived here we noticed that they were indeed catching the carp and taking them away to eat, on one day i counted 18 men each with an average of 6 carp in there buckets, wen i asked if they had the correct fishing licence they laughed at me and informed me that the spanish police did not bother them as it was to much hassle to get interperators etc, yet they will prosecute Spanish and English anglers (who do not take the fish away), i asked if they live nearby and was told no, they had come down from Malaga way, i asked why they didnt fish up that way, there reply was "because there are no fish left", make of that what you will.................................
saying what a lot of others are thinking but too weak and feeble minded to voice..............
The eastern europeans were caught stealing swans in ireland
Big deal, he put up a sign. Most people just give me looks as if I'm not welcome every single day even though speak clear English as well as other 3 languages, been here nearly 10 years and respect everything to do with British Culture. Just the fast that I sometimes speak in my own language on the street when I'm on my phone with my family is enough for me to be a victim of racial comments.
There need to be many dedicated fisheries where the idea is to kill and eat the fish. sports anglers can have their waters, those with more of a hunter-gatherer take on life can have theirs. This is not solely the domain of eastern Europeans - any time I catch a decent grayling, trout, pike, zander or perch I knock it on the head and take it home, just as I'd do if I caught something in the sea. note: I'm not breaking any laws. I only do it in waters where kill & keep is permitted. freshwater fish are a relatively untapped resource of tasty, clean and high quality protein and you know exactly what it is, unlike the food you buy at the supermarket.
Swan and Carp is a Eastern European issue, trouble is PC Britain is to afraid to speak out now for fear of arrest, no freedom of speech any longer in the UK. Well done, this man has the backbone to speak out.
Some cultures think Carp is a good fish - Some do not - It is against the law in Australia to throw a carp back - And it is serious. They must be destroyed as vermin who destroy the natural environment of Australian native fish.
Some cultures think Carp is a good fish - Some do not - It is against the law in Australia to throw a carp back - And it is serious. They must be destroyed as vermin who destroy the natural environment of Australian native fish.
Not many ducks on the pond in the park Christmas Day,seemed a bit odd.
Hahahahahaah he presumes they`re Eastern Europeans but cannot prove it....right.......what this guy needs its a fine and never ever be allowed to put racist signs in public again. I mean he even looks like the classic old mumbling guy with nothing better to do. Did he counted the fish to see if they`re all missing????
What makes more sense, the age old tradition of catching fish to feed themselves or repeatedly torturing them by ripping their mouths apart then throwing them back ?
Funny how everyone gets up in arms about someone trying to save his livelihood, these same people say nothing about Behead those how insult Islam posters, funny world, hand wringers protecting everyone in the world except their own countrymen
And the ducks!
So I can still steal his fish?
Good luck to him.
Eddie Whitehead for President !!!
I'm Eastern European and unfortunately the poor man has a point and I understand his frustration.
It's his land, his lake, his fish, his bench and he can do what he likes with all of them!
How does he know the fish are missing when he hasn'r seen any go?
you aught to see the signs that go up in windows out side of the UK. i live in the gulf, where landlords state things like - asians only! no men allowed. the first thing that gets asked on your CV is your age. the UK is alone in thinking PC is a good thing. elsewehere, racism is rife, and as brits are keen not to upset, its seen as weekness, that is pushed and pushed because it can be.
Boris Johnson keeps saying all English people are lazy, whats the difference
The man has his own rights to put up what he wants on his property. Just like the TV, if you do not like what you see then move on to somewhere else.
Sorry mate, some thieves don't read so well!
Thanks Blair!
Never mind the fish, someone should prosecute this guy for racism.
I have seen Romanians keep the carp they caught, but we can't say that can we?
Don't fall for the lefty claptrap; an Englishman's home etc - and that includes his lake. Personally I'd have attack dogs patrolling the grounds. Hurrah for UKIP!
its not racist, at worst not actually PC but racist? The English, Scots, Welsh do not (normally) eat freshwater fish - however Eastern Europeans do fish for, cook and eat freshwater fish, that is a fact. If since Eastern Europeans started fishing his water and fish have gone missing its not much of a stretch to figure out where they are going and do something to protect his livelihood. This is not the first story of this nature, just possibly one where someone is actually doing something about it.
Oh for the good old days when the sign read tresspassers will be shot.the land belongs to mr whitehead.
I do not blame him they need to be aware its a business not a charity for free fish , Eastern Europeans should be given details when they arrive that our rules regarding wildlife in the UK is diffrent than in their countries, they are responsible for killing swans also the crime rate as increase since we let them in, we need the policy of comitt a crime and you will be sent back home
Doubt they'll be able to read that
Well done that Man....
The Environment Agency has acknowledged a problem with certain sections of Eastern Europeans stealing fish from lakes so why has this man been accused of racism for simply wanting to protect his livelihood. Unfortunately a minority have ruined it for the majority but to attack Mr Whitehead for the sign is unjust.
love it
That was a heron more likely
this guy is asking for trouble
At last one fighting back for his own.
Not racist at all, but could have switched it the other way: respect British laws.
Good for him
I would shake his hand.
He may be right but a sign saying "Don't steal the fish" and install CCTV (it is relatively cheap now) would be more effective.
If he suspects that it is people from eastern Europe, he could just put up a sign in several languages saying something along the lines of anyone caught stealing will be prosecuted and that he has cctv. Simple and not illegal.
'in't that racialist?
Carp is a delicacy in some Eastern European countries - but it's not got a great taste.
imagine what would happen if his notice said "No Jews" ?
Pure racism, no two ways about it
No he is not being racist. We all know who likes to eat carp and it`s not the British.
His lake... His property... END OF...
Eastern Europeans eat carp as a delicacy, as did the English in Medieval Times. The sign is DISTASTEFUL and ILL ADVISED, but I know in other sections of the media 'Polish lorry drivers' have been accused of stealing carp for their tea. I hope the fishery owner CATCHES THE REAL CULPRITS SOON. THEN PUNISHES THEM.
No mention about the housing problem due to immigrants getting houses before Brits,no mention of the strain on the NH due to immigrants who get all the benefits before paying into the system.All immigrants should have medical insurance before entering the country till they have paid into the system
English workers have been left stripped of decent pay deals and overtime rates. My Company has banned time and half overtime and now operates at standard rate because of immigrants willingness to work no matter what. The UK is flooded with low paid workers, after years of campaigns to get workers rights employers will no doubt be very happy with the situation. Any other country would have a riot on their hands by now, it seems the British spirit has been defeated. Shame on Labour, no longer the working man's party. BNP is the only hope now.
Whilst I think its wrong that our country as adopted some kind of "politically correct" policy which puts everyone over our own white British citizens... I have to say that the main problem here is the fact that Brits just don't want to work... and why would you when you can get paid more from the government for stay home!?! You can't blame the Eastern Europeans for coming to make money and if they didn't who would be doing the job!?
Can someone please explain how "overall fiscal impact is probably small but positive" about the lowest paid British natives getting lower wages! The fact is that the BNP are not wining elections because they are racists, they are winning elections because the main parties refuse to net immigration as NEGATIVE.
The awful truth is that Nu Labour has neglected what were once its grass root supporters and is only now , on the eve of a massive electoral defeat, waking up to the facts. You simply cannot throw your own people on a scrap heap and allow floods of cheap labour into the Country - its a madness that other States protect their people from but this Government have allowed much to their everlasting shame. These International socialist (who send their own kids to private schools) only appear to experiment on the lower classes - the peasants , as they used to be known in Russia, the Country they got their Party ideals from.
yes is a struggle,thik head,it has been for years,since the east eu,invadet britain...and wot can you do about?Say sorry..you done the damnage,
If that's not discrimination, what is it then? Migrants are payed more, they are given all financial support and what do they do with the money? They send it home in their native country to support the rest of their family. That's one of the reason the economy is down in the UK.
So they all come to the first country of refuge,England where they will get first class houses, benefits,and more financial help than what they could ever earn.Believe me where I am in China,their idea is support yourself if you wish to remain here or leave.
This is just 1st year economics student stuff - increase the supply of labour and wages will fall. The new migrants haven't created that many new jobs in the USA, The Economist this week said since 2000 the US population has risen by 30m but they only have 0.4m more jobs since then. So wages esp for the low paid jobs these migrants often end up doing will fall. Inflation will fall, benefitting the bioggest spenders (the wealthy). Lower inflation means lower inteerst rates, so hosue prices and rents rise - again the poor, renting, lose out, the weathier homeowners and landlords gain. So migration raises inequality, any bright 1st year ecopnomics student could have worked that one out.
Surprise surprise..I've been saying this for over 5 years..Since being made redundant due to offshoring, and my skills now redundant also (Textiles) I've found work within the 'Service Sector,' and in the 4 years I've been doing my present job I've seen entire workforces of British staff forced out by bosses who've employed Eastern Europeans, as they've been able to pay them less and expect longer hours..These people are generally young and single, so have no familes/Mortgages to support. Skilled Brits are also losing out unlike this report states.
Once again someone states the obvious; but can I be permitted to ask one question: Where are the Trades Unions in all of this? There has not been one peek out of this miserable bunch, they are probably too busy counting their loot and wondering how the can add to it. Who is going to represent the working class of this nation? Labour won't do it and now the Unions are ignoring them. While Margaret Thatcher might have neutered the unions, with Arthur Scargills able assistance; it was Tony Bliar who emasculated them, with the help of the current nameless and faceless leadership. Our glorious leaders Tone and Gord did not allow immigrants in to this country to raise their standard of living, it was to drive down the wages in Britain.
Just as a matter of interest can you please put me up for a position as one of these "experts" we are always reading about. I feel I am well qualified to make as many EXPERT opinion's as the next man. I have made some bloody awful mistakes in the past, and I am quite sure I can really come up with some utterly ridiculous "FACTS" as that seems to be the main criteria for the job'. So if the money is good and there is a vacancy Im your man, ready to start today, My first " FACT " comes free "TOO much alcohol makes you tipsy and could lead to a hangover" I have dozens more gems that you should hear before the highly paid "EXPERTS" pip me!!!!,
The warning that wage levels for poorer Britons may have been hit will worry the Government. Oh dear there must be a General Election on the way.
Cheap labour forcing down wages? I can't believe it! The new Labour campaign slogan is "British Jobs for British Migrants!"
So, British low-skilled workers' pay is slightly down, because, when compared to Eastern Europeans, native workers appear to have poor work ethic? Hmm... I see two possible solutions: 1) throw out all non-native workers, so that there is noone to comapre lazy Brits to and make them look bad; or... 2) get busy WORKING! PS: This story is sad and funny at the same time...
New Britain? i much preferred the old one before the floodgates had been opened prior to joing the EU, and yes the economic immigrants certainly have driven the wages down not just for unskilled work, a lot of skilled work is not paying much above the minimum wage now, i can't understand why any skilled indigenous Brit would want to stay here when there are far greater opportunities to be had elsewhere like Canada, New Zealand or Australia, where they will get treat with respect and a decent standard of living. New Labours New Britain...what a horrible experiment gone dreadfully wrong.
This is exactly what the government wanted!
What did you say Brown, BRITISH JOBS FOR BRITISH WORKERS. YOU MONGREL.
To many people after a small number of jobs, this situation just keeps adding fuel to an already smoldering fire, are this useless government so stupid, they can not see what is going to happen, even gormless Gorden should be able to work this one out, perhaps.
well i knew that 5years ago,why do this labour goverment hate white and black english working class,they do not have to give child benefit to eastern european children,living in their own country.they do why.to keep migrants here to keep english working class down.for some crazy reason they want people unemployed living of the state.pol pot want tht long ago,they need to be in asylums,oh sorry they closed most of them down.
Well how long has it taken them to figure that one out? In the meantime men over 40 are rendered unemployable and youngsters have no prospects of jobs. Welcome to New Labours UK where the only people getting stiffed are the British voters!
Japan has a modern economy with zero immigration, if they can do it, why can,t the UK?
Good point James Slack , excellent work ethic.
I know that. Impoverished at the bottom of the financial heap
I wonder how many of them are living in council housing whilst claiming benefits which aren't available in other countries?
ONLY 700,000 left ? thats 700,000 too many
I am really not interested in reading so many stories like this - because everybody already knows that! Why do the British public put up with this Government and it's lies and deceipt? Blair & Brown should have been hung for treason, years ago!
The Romanan Goverment wants rid of a lot of people who commit crimes and take benefits from their country. They are eally pleased that we ae happy to take these deadbeats away from them.
Well done Mr Littlejohn. A fantastic article that mirrors my feelings precisely!!
I have just read the latest opinion poll shows 72% of the electorate would vote for the anti democratic, eu parties. So all the other 28% of the people like myself belong to a minority group . I am not religious but god help us.
"I cannot get over what has happened to this country. Worst of all noone is doing anything.- kt, berkshire, 14/6/2013 8:00" I agree and, moreover, it is the alarming speed at which this rate of change has happened, and continues to happen.
Our failed poltical leaders are all hoping for jobs on the EU gravy train,until we get rid of them all they will continue to sell us out for their own grubby financial greed.
Get us OUT of the EU Dictatorship!!!.
Why pay them to hang about on the streets?
France deport"s them, but the UK don"t because............................... - barking snail, nottingham, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 7:27----------------------------------------------------------------Northern Ireland kicked them out too and sent them to England. LOL.
ONE WORD, UKIP
All part of the "progressive" agenda. Bend over and take it.
Sorry but how long has Camaron been in power? Didnt he say they were going to cut immigration?
Will the last English person to leave this benighted land please switch off the light.
You can shout and scream as much as you like about this and I've no doubt, in truth, the government doesn't like it either but, as long as we're tied to the EU there's nothing, nothing at all, that Cameron, Milliband or Clegg can do about it; not a thing! Unless we get out of the EU, we have no choice.
Regarding the second part of Richard Littlejohn's article... I thought ignorance of the law was no defence. It seems some of our judges are ignorant of the law as well.
Richard: Do you think forgetting what country you live in an Illness or just a Consequence of Immigration?
We have six months. Let's get a vote of no confidence in ASAP on Camoron and his cronies, boot this lot out of parliament, and get Mr Farage in to fix this before it really is too late.
You try littering with a cigarette packet and your are in deep trouble. They do all this and nothing seems to happen.I just don't understand the laws anymore.
If you are a captain on a ship and can see a bloody big iceberg in front of you what would be your reaction? Do something about it pronto. Just smile and say, there is nothing to worry about. If he was in the Royal Navy he would either end up dead, or be facing a court martial if your choice was the latter. I am a democrat but something needs to be done against this madness sooner than later. If the gutless politicians will not act now the only other option is public protest.
Surely, camping out like this is illegal in this country! Why aren't the police rounding them up? The Italians, and the French famously did exactly this, put them on buses and sent them back to Romania! Why oh why cant we do the same!!!!!
Well said Richard.The vile BBC mouthpiece will still advocate that this dross is good for my country which Judas Cameron has deserted and let the left wing pondlife go unanswered.Patience is wearing thin VERY rapidly .
Leftists should give up their own homes to immigrants and go live in ruins and caves.
You just try littering by dropping a cigarette packet on the floor and your in deep deep trouble. They can do this and no one bothers.It's sure odd to me .
UKIP, UKIP, UKIP,
BNP wants to get out of EU have you been censored ? (in not pointing it out)
We were told that only 13,000 people would come to Britain, at least a million arrived; HOW clueless are the officials. NOTE we are about to allow as many again from Romania and Bulgaria, IS ANY ONE AWAKE in government to STOP THIS influx of unwanted migrants????
Why the sudden panic, this was always on the card. You voted for it when you voted for Balir and you voted for it when you voted for Cast Iron Cameron. You the voter are to blame. We, the electorate are reaping the rewards of OUR failure to vote for patriots. Good luck Briatain, we're going to need it.
Have our politicians bothered to go back to read the original EU agreement they signed to see if they are interpretting it too loosely? I thought we signed up to give free movement of labour which from my definition does not include beggars and criminals so why are these people not simply sent back to their country of origin. Someone from within the EU wanting to work in this country should apply and be given a work visa to allow them to freely search for work here but if they have not found work within a reasonable period (1 year?) then they should leave again and perhaps go elsewhere in the EU where they might have more luck. Or did our politicians sign up to the free movement of the population within the EU super state?
From the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development in a report that was published on Thursday....There are approx 100,000 Romanians living in the UK 85% the highest from any nationality, are in full-time employment. Most are under 35. Almost 40% have a university degree. There are over 4,000 doctors & nurses working in our NHS,Figures show that 62% of Romanians in Britain have no dependents, 32% only have one child & only 300 claims for child benefit were made in 2012.The study also showed the UK was unlikely to be the preferred destination for Bulgarians and Romanians. It added that those who do leave Romania were far more likely to go to Spain and Italy, where 1.7 million Romanians are already living and working, and this is unlikely to change.
Bear in mind something that applies to the people who have let this happen, the Politicians, the MP's who "think" they are worth a £20,000 PA pay rise, they do not live with the results of their policies, there are no Roma in Downing street, there are no MP's queuing 12 hours in A&E, if an MP rings the police, the police actually turn up, if an MP needs to see a Doctor I bet they don't wait a fortnight, one day the boy's and girl's in the House of Commons will lay down the straw that will break the camels back, and then God help them.
England is lost, glad I moved to Canada.
We also have them in Switzerland living in similar conditions. Nothing new here ...... unfortunately.
The idiots that let this happen get paid a fortune and get fantastic pensions at our expense.
Dear Queen Elizabeth, I know that your Royal perogatives are now somewhat diminished but if you have one that can save our beautiful country please use it, also the British people would like you to chuck Blair , Brown, Clegg, Cameron into the tower for their treasonable actions against this country . God Save the Queen. Also Richard Littlejohn Brilliant article...
Bloody idiot politicians. Started with that treacherous Blair, continued with that Brown (just to keep them in a job) and now, it beggars belief that this liberal 'call me Dave' and the other fool, continue to let it happen. OUT NOW all of you and OUT NOW of the EU. Is there anyway, that the general population can cause an election ?
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2, ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 6:45. And the sensible majority would like arrogant "lefties" like you to admit that you ARE, in reality, fascists.
How are they getting in???. They do not freedom of movement yet....so how are they still getting in??????
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for LibLabCon. Those of you that did vote for LibLabCon voted for this, so keep quiet, stop whining and complaining about it and celebrate instead!
By this time next year this lot and a few hundred thousand more will all be on the payroll, Perhaps these pictures would make an effective poster campaign at the next election. What do you think Davey boy?
The French dont have a problem with these kind of camps!....say no more
Excellent article about the uncontrolled immigration that the 3 major parties will do nothing about. I believe that by 2015 a large proportion of the electorate will have got to the point where they will vote for any political party that will promise to stop uncontrolled immigration, even if their vote means coming out of the EU and losing the economic benefits it supposedly brings us now. There is and always will be a need for immigration but not uncontrolled immigration. I believe politicians will become so out of step with the electorate on this issue that they will severely underestimate the impact immigration will have on them in 2015. .
DAVE CAMERON'S BRITAIN ! A HARBINGER OF THINGS TO COME.
DAVE CAMERON'S BRITAIN ! A HARBINGER OF THINGS TO COME.
Probably better then that which they are used to.
I agree with the article and many of the post but the question I am aiming is to you DM; "Who will you back in the 2015 general election?"
Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society. - Aristotle
CAMERON, BLAIR AND BROWN. This country is finished, and you finished it.
Another day, another horror story and another inevitable rant by the readership declaring "What can we do to stop this?" .............What is it about "VOTE UKIP IF YOU WANT TO STOP THE IMMIGRATION MESS & ABUSE THAT THE OTHER 3 PARTIES HAVE KNOWINGLY CREATED AND WILL ALLOW TO CONTINUE UNCHECKED DESPITE THEIR 'PROMISES' " that people don't seem to understand?
Simple answer to this - vote UKIP at the next general election. If they win our borders will close to anymore new entrants, we'll leave the EU,he human rights straightjacket will be cast off and all illegals will be forcibly deported. Cue cut in pressure on housing, schools, NHS, policing - win/win for everyone in the UK. I just don't understand why Appeaser Dave doesn't want to see the obvious? Though I'm looking forward to a UKIP government - a UK government looking out for the people of the UK; what a novelty.
That's right Littlejohn, express shock and horror to the gallery , yet this is what people like you want, ...a flexible workforce. I'm sure I argued a couple of years ago that Britain hasn't the climate for these employment practices. we can never be like the Philippines where the poor scavenge from waste tips yet this is where victims of the bedroom tax might end up. When you go for your second lunch today Mr Littlejohn , think on.
Couldn't we find them campsites in Camden, Notting Hill and Barnes etc on the lefties' doorsteps? - ken mist , paris, 14/6/2013 09:22 No irony in that you are writing this from "paris"?
What no one ever seems to ask or question our government about is why is it the responsibility of the UK to provide for citizens of so-called "poorer EU members" when a condition of membership into the EU was that ALL member states had to provide AND EVIDENCE a recognised and acceptable EU wide standard of care, HR, and provision for THEIR OWN citizens. So, if The Roma etc. are allegedly being persecuted in certain EU countries and need to virtually 'seek asylum' here, how can these countries remain a EU member and a natural consequence of that being that they cannot then come here and parasite off another member state who DOES abide by the rules........................or because I'm one of the 'little people' and never went to Eton am I somehow missing something here?
Mr Littlejohn has got it exactly right in every detail in his article,It really beggars belief that anyone could argue with any point that he makes.Do the.: great and the good: live in the same country as me,obviously not,and with their privileged backgrounds and being advised obviously by idiots,they are either blind,stupid or do not read newspapers.
if cameron,the ministers, and who ever allowed these poor people into their country then they HAVE to look after them you cant just let them live like this they are human beings!! everyone for 1 minute leave your racist self to one side and think about the conditions these people are living under just imagine britain was just like one of these eastern european countries.. wouldnt you take the chance if you were offered to enter a much better country in order to live a fuller life? leaving everything behind is not easy you know. these poor people left their home country imagine yourself in this situation!! nothing is guarateed you never know how britain will end up! if it turns out like one of the eastern european countries dont be surprised you may oneday be forced fo leave your home land in hopes of living a better life!! think twice before being racist..
UKIP UKIP UKIP THE ONLY ANSWER
the smug, self-regarding Leftist bigots who have done all they can to shut down honest debate about migration. You mean the ones that haven't been in power for several years now? Come off it, the current UK government love the idea of all these cheap to employ bodies coming in to the country to force our own wages and standards of living down.
VOTE UKIP , VOTE UKIP, VOTE UKIP , WAKE UP YOU OUT THERE . SPECIALLY YOU YOUNGSTERS , AS IT'S YOU LOT WHO WILL SUFFER AND YOUR KIDS . SO VOTE U K I P. YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE .
Obviously our politicians feel the benefits we receive from being in Europe far outweigh the problems that immigration are causing however the greater majority of the British public disagree and hopefully if we still have a Country worth living in they will find out come the next General election by which time there won't be much anyone will be able to do about it if England was a ship most true Brits would be heading for the lifeboats
I have been buying the Big Issue for years to support Scottish homeless, usually men, get them a cup of tea and share some platter. I have not bought it regular for at least two years. I do not believe that the Scottish homeless problem is sorted, even though the majority of people selling the big issue now, are young female and speak little English. I feel sorry for them but charity begins at home and I now buy 2 mags if I see a scottish/british person selling the big issue.
Voted Labour or Liberal? Enjoy! You had your chance to make a change in 2010 and you blew it.
Are you better off because of mass unchecked migration into this country.........thought not.
The disparity in living conditions country to country and successive dictators, rulers and business conglomerates is largely to blame for this. The attraction of Britain (The Mother Country) stems from Empire.. Just about everywhere in the world English is a common spoken language. England's desire to rule the waves (world) is coming home to roost...
Are you better off because of mass unchecked migration into this country.........thought not.
Someone commented that it's June and we have until December to stop all these people coming here. Unfortunately parliament has a long summer recess in between just to knacker the proceedings. We are pretty much knackered anyway because we were c**pped on from a great height by Labour and have now merely been shovelled up by the coalition. Are there actually any politicians in this country who bother to listen to the electorate? I don't think so, because they all have their own agendas. They don't live in the same kind of neighbourhoods as the rest of us, or lead the same kind of lives either. In short they do not have a clue about the views of the average person in the street and most don't care either.
Nothing will change until these immigrants start camping in the lefties backyards!
"Negative advertising campaign" ? Like telling them they'll get lots of money if they arrive here pennyless! Our welfare system is a joke!
The "Speaker" is the last person to tell anyone anything, and his "other half". Lol!!.
The only way to end the madness is to vote UKIP whenever there's an election. Don't leave it to others, don't abstain, get out and vote because this time your vote will make all the difference between an end to mass immigration and EU domination or much more of the same which will see the end of our once great nation for ever.
Yeah yeah, pull up the draw-brigde, bolt and lock the gates.. keep the unwanted out.. Typical xenophobic rants.. Truth is since Thatcher came to power U.K has bred a generation of illiterate, lazy, want it all without working for it adults.. Education went down the drain as did taxes. As a youngster growing up I had choice, not the greatest but my education was sought after across the world. Today not so.. More foreigners are employed than UK born adults and the reason for this is simple.. If you travel x amount of miles to get here, you have naff all left but to work and get income. If that fails, there's always prison or some gullible citizen to marry, breed and claim human rights....
I'm happy as long as they all stay in London & the south
I can't see droves of 'Eastern Europeans' here - maybe one or two, and you would probably have to look pretty hard to find them. In any case, 'Eastern Europe' starts at the Ukrainian/Russian border - you should be looking at the Russian oligarchs who are costing this country hundreds of millions in the form of tax avoidance, etc., rather than a couple of unfortunates who cost a couple of pennies by comparison. If anything you should be welcoming this as it goes to show that the clamp-down is working. No housing benefit, no free council housing, no benefits. I suggest you go to Romania some time and see what it is really like there - it is one of Europe's most beautiful countries and few people intend moving away from their traditions and culture where people are largely self-sufficient. I go there quite regularly and I feel humbled by their generosity and hospitality. Money isn't everything - they are far richer than we can ever hope to be.
This is all being done deliberately by the government. Do you really think they care about the masses who vote for them? All they want to do is make as much money for themselves as possible. Their greed knows no bounds. Low empathy is seen as a wonderful character trait by the men who have been raised in public boarding schools for the most part. It helps them tread on the lumpenproletariat and rise to the highest levels in politics.
Yes Richard Littlebrain... those 'Lefties' have been in government for three years.
As usual RJ on the ball as far as the immigration issue goes. Answer - vote UKIP. As a life-long Tory thats exactly what I will be doing. And I did feel insulted to be catagorised as a "Protest Voter". Well we'll see about that at the next election........
When we all were told how great it would be if we voted on a common market where trade barriers were down, then to wind up the dumping ground of Europe. Is it any wonder that we no longer trust the politicians in the three main parties any more? All of whom are so up front for us to stay in the EU (greed) and telling us they are debating about snatch backs for our sovereignty, which is also a load of eyewash. Vote UKIP
Comments say get rid of Cameron. What ,and then Labour will be in power,then you will slide into third world status very quickly. - expat, auckland, 14/6/2013 7:57 If people had any sense of patrioism they would all vote UKIP and we would be out of the EU, which is crippling and destroying this Country
Frankly, the problem with this country is that everyone is too nice. The British do not seem to want to offend anyone, upset anyone, get angry with anyone. Rather just moan about it under your breath. Point is, there is no right in any treaty ever signed by this country for anyone to come and build shanty towns here or camp in Hyde Park or live in caves. The only right that exists is to work, that is a UK employer cannot turn EU citizen down for a job on the basis of his nationality. The EU is a legal structure with a court supervising the compliance with law. What Britain needs to do is to simply pick these people up and send them back home. Simple as that and if the Commission wants to challenge that in court, let them. Do you really think that France, Spain, Germany even Poland want the court to establish that EU citizens can build shanty towns on football pitches and the national government cannot do anything about it? Come on, get tough and get real.
No, but what it will do is encourage more and more of us to vote UKIP. They are our last chance.
We've been down to the Stockport caves and advised all the itinerant occupants to head south to the home counties where the streets are paved with free gold and houses. We've taken our share of immigration for the last fifty years and it seems that only now when posh London suburbs are affected that politicians and reporters screaming foul. The more that arrive in your location, the better. Maybe something will get done when the rich start getting overrun.
Doesn't it just break your heart to see what has happened to our lovely country. I really feel for the future of my grandchildren.
..''A colleague who lives in Hendon near the ground saw about 30 Romanian men arriving only this week, complete with suitcases and baby buggies''.. first a trickle then the FLOOD..
I only hope that one day the politicians responsible for these crimes against our country will face appropriate justice.
What would we do without people like Littlejohn, who is always prepared to speak out when others are not
As long as we keep moaning about it the lefties will love it, sorry but we all are a bunch of all talk and no action people, we are all afraid of the word RACIST,we are all brainwashed, yearsago if one did not agree with the state we were all communist, so we have a new word to control the people RACIST.
Any one with sense and the ability to do so would get out of this country as fast as they could. It is no longer a country of tolerance and respect of others. Corruption and greed at the very top flowing down to all levels of society. Drugs, crime anti-social behaviour,a fifth rate health service, idiotic bureaucracy at every level of government and public services. A country lead by pygmies. Get out if you can.
VOTE. AND SUPPORT UKIP NOW. ,!! stop this lunacy. tell europe to get stuffed. and defend our Realm. before its too late. Cameron. and the Halfwit Clegg. havent got the B@lls. to stand up to the Eurocrats. but its fine for them. living in thier multi million pound homes. and holiday homes. , even Boris. called him a girly swot !! ,! we need. Vladimir. Putin to run the Country for a few terms of Government or. the very next best. NIGEL FARAGE !! a man with the guts to say what people think and feel. !! .
"Labour have an excuse, they are idiot socialists, but what is Dave's excuse? Continuing to let millions of immigrants in where many claim benefits is socialism of the first order. When is Cameron going to realize he's a Tory?" The thing with Cameron is that he's the new right, the sort who wants socialism for the masses, whilst still giving those at the top the benefits of capitalism. Blair was the same. Mass imigration suits them, as it brings everyone down to the lowest common denominator. You have to think who benefits from this? Big business benefits from high unemployment and easy movement of Labour, as they can pay lower wages and provide worse conditions. It's an employers market. Governments benefit as having lots on state handouts makes them easier to manipulate. It also makes them feel good and generous, when really they are spending other people's money. Other people who they despise.
If Cameron and the EU insist on continuing, then we must at least make the Europhile politicians really feel it. Start by suing them personally for any detrimental effect on you or your community. This is stoppable.
Whatever the Left-wing advocates of mass unfettered immigration say it is UTTERLEY LUDICROUS not to have control over who comes in!
Dear Boris Please arrange to give Hyde Park back to the people who voted you in - otherwise you may find yourself voted out !
I came home into Edinburgh, Scotland on an international flight last week that erroneously bypassed immigration/passport control (presumably a mistake by the ground handler who took us into the Domestic arrivals instead of International arrivals) and went straight through to baggage reclaim. So a plane load of people from many different countries are all here in UK with no-one any the wiser. Wonder how many times that has happened before? What is the point of so much airport security getting onto a plane if getting off at the other end breaches every immigration law and every aspect of public safely? Shocking!
BRITAIN, UNDER LIB/LAB /CON IS DOOMED, PEOPLE WAKE UP VOTE UKIP
I remember growing up and living in that area. What has gone wrong? I am sure that any British person working within the EU would not be allowed to do the same. Someone is responsible for this chaos and should be made to answer for it.
Great Britain - just one great big laughable joke of a country run by couldnt care less self serving clowns, every other country knows this as fact and exploits it.
This is insanitary and disgusting , and needs sorting out immediately. Just don't let them relocate near me, I've heard there is a cushy billet outside No 10 Downing St.
Not only must we leave the EU, we should also leave the ECHR. They are both responsible for crazy laws and decisions affecting this country.
I though the TORY'S were running the country ! - Swivel I Dloon, The Palace, Bulgaria, 14/6/2013 7:22 Have you forgotten 2010 already? They didn't win and so had to form a coalition with the Lib Dems. Look it up.
For 15yrs I was involved with with Russian tourists groups visiting London.Mostly women and children as the chance the chance of father mother and children obtaining a Holiday Visa was almost impossible. I was impressed by the knowledge of the young childrens understanding of the History of England..During all of those years we only had 5 defectors.The majority had no desire to live in England.Yet from April this year the visa rules for these tourist families have been tightened yet again.The average revenue from these TOURISTS in one week was 1000euros and my groups numbered 40 people.So tell me how do the government find it so hard to contol the influx of unwanted people into the country.???. (Maybe they are to busy making our grandmas take off thier summer sandals before flying out to Spain)
Makes you laugh telling us the welfare bill must be cut, yet anyone can come from Europe and get benefits, where is the logic ?
Wasn't President Ceausescu fabulously rich - what happened to all the money he stole from the Romanian people?
Richard Littlejohn for Prime Minister! NOW!
Consign ConDemLibour to the political scrap heap where they belong, between them, they have degraded this country while seeing themselves financially profiglorate. Vote UKIP in 2015, your last chance to rescue Britain from the cesspit that the EU is creating. Bring back control of our borders and stop filling the overflowing trough that Brussels is growing ever fatter upon at our expense. Britain like Switzerland would flourish outside of the EU. The EU is destined to failure, greedy politicians just can't help themselves put those who vote for them first.
"We let anyone in.com ' formally Great Britain" Sadly for me, not. You allow all EU residents with little to no skills, but skilled professional Americans like me- who love and dream to live in England- have to jump through a million hoops to find an employer to sponsor them, and are still turned down.
There is someting rotten and rotting in the world today and it's the spineless people in politics that is the reason why and the cause. Why do we comment? Why do we explain our viewpoint? Nobody in a position to do something about it listens or has the gumption to answer. Hendon FC? Go in with bulldozers and 'Turf' them out along with those in London Parks and cave dwellers. The whole world is rotten and rotting because we don't do what really needs to be done and allow the lowlife of this planet to dictate. Enjoy the day now
The ONLY party willing to tackle (AND SOLVE) this issue is UKIP. We CAN NOT control immigration without leaving the EU. That is a FACT. Vote UKIP to solve the problem.
AND ENGLISH CULTURE IS THE MOST UNEQUAL OF ALL
The UK really is finished - it will only get much worse as long as we are in the EU and it doesn't look like we will be leaving. How much big a mess will the UK become before politicians notice. They only have 2 choices - get out of the EU or completely ignore some of their directives and refuse to pay whatever penalties the EU decides to impose. Sorry for all you guys still living there - you have no hope.
Come here all and sundry and go camp in the back gardens of our rotten rulers.
Politicians don't care about the slums being created in áreas in whiuch they don't live, the main beneficiaries of the mass immigration are the employers who can get cheap labour, earn more profit and thus afford to live well away from the slums
A well written, blunt article... Sadly though the people who should be reading and taking note will continue to put their head in the sand and pretend they know best. The Roma community is no different from our traveller community, and these people do not abide by the law, they think they have the right to do what they want, where they want. They don't work yet always have top of the range vehicles, and no-one ever stops to ask how. This is our country and yet we are being told we can't complain that its being handed over to people who will destroy our way of life and our country.
Tiffersno2 06:45 So to get an "honest "debate on immigration, first we have to admit we are racist. You should be a politician. But here's a little tip. Never start a debate by insulting a person and calling them racist, or ask them to admit they are wrong, before you sit down at the table. Even the government has had to retract the RACIST tack. It backfired.
Who cares UK is a dump anyway
No-one is allowed to talk about migration honestly, otherwise we get called racist. Every English/British person will end up leaving the British Isles until it is full of non-Brits and immigrants. Well done Government, you are a pathetic disgrace.
So will Mr Littlejohn declare he is going to vote for and support UKIP? Or like many people on here are they happy just to carry on moaning and snivelling? Decide if you have a backbone and integrity - if you really value your country and it's way of life. It's time for real men and women to step forward.
If these shantys spring up they should be torn down and occupants removed from the country.
Don't you live In America? No doubt putting a strain on their good supply. Pfffft.
Yes, they come here, no job or money and say "I'm homeless" get a house and money-job done. Or they start selling big issue...non of them are British anymore. We need to look after our own first!!
it is perferctly within European law to expel homeless unemployed citizens from other member states of the EU. The open-border treaty was never intended as a dossers' charter. The government is simply failing in its responsibilities for political reasons.
I once parked my camper van in a lay by in Somerset to spend the night because I'd been driving many hours. Along comes Mr. Plod and says "move along now, you can't stop here all night, or you'll get a ticket". Says it all dunnit?
This shanty town is the Romanian equivalent of a Luxury condominium. What's more it is put up at no cost to the occupants and no council tax is payable for clearing the mess caused.
Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2, ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 6:45...................... The argument has nothing to do with race, it's to do with numbers. We are full. We are not full of any particular race or creed, we are simply full. Does the fact that people are living in shanty towns prove that to you?
Trust me, things are not that desperate in Romania, as I have seen with my own eyes. The gypsies we have coming to Britain live like that in Romania too. The difference is that the police are much stricter with them over there. We are way too soft. Such a shame as I'm married to a Romanian who works hard for an English company, takes no benefits and is profoundly ashamed of these gypsies and certainly doesn't want to be associated with them.
Britain like America is founded by european inmigration, so what is the problem again Littlejohn?? If you look at the british history during the past 500 years you will notice that everyone here comes form everywhere in the world, specially from EU countries.
Having lived in Denmark, I know for a fact that European countries laugh at Britain for its slavish obedience to EU laws. Even the cooperation-loving Scandinavians break them when it suits! - common_sense_uk , Oxford, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 07:34 And do the European counrties who flout EU law have to pay the fines that the UK gets threatened with if we were to break their laws ? If that's the case, then what's the point of it all ? Let's get out of the EU now ! The more I hear the more I think it would be best in the long term for the UK.
The reality is that many of these immigrants are looking for a better life by contributing to a system that will treat them with a fairness that is not afforded to them in their home country. Unfortunately, with them will be the ones who will come here pleading poverty, rob, steal and take whatever they can and vanish back to their own country. Gypsy's through political, social and welfare exclusion have been bought to the edge of human existence by successive governments in their home countries. They see Britain as a fairer society, can you blame them? Blair signed us up to this and Europe waived many criteria to increase membership without realising the devastating potential problems. We can all live together, if everyone contributes to a fairer society. But while politicians are out to line their own pockets, it is unlikely!
I cannot get housing as I work and have paid into system all my life! I am white and British by birth, so what does that say about our so called system!
Tiffersno2,Ipswich, put your left wing brain in gear. Not wanting this country's resources overwhelmed is NOT, repeat, NOT racist. People like you are the problem, stifling legitimate and necessary debate. You're probably delighted we have a very leftist government in place.
Back to the future; a sign of things to come?
The MPs and employers dream! CHEAP WORKERS!
Vote UKIP. Shut the borders pronto! This poor country is a laughing stock! Article was brilliantly written though!
Richard, so much of what you say, on so many topics and issues, are heartfelt by so many people. The difficulty for most is that they do not have the platform or ability to articulate in the same way you do. Recently, Patrick O'Flynn, of the Daily Express has confirmed his fervent support for UKIP and it is this type of publicity, from high profile, well respected journalist like yourselves, that UKIP need leading up to the European elections and the General election beyond. We all know the influence of the press in politics and it would be a good thing if you were to take up the mantle also.
Out of eu NOW.
The Tories Dream come true.All that cheap labour on tap.Cameron is such a liar,he's promised Turkey that once they get into the EU,whoever wants to come to Britain will be welcome.the expected number is arround 1 million.Cameron has told Turkey that he will do what he can for Turkey to get them EU membership ASAP.Hasn't anyone noticed that Britains Tory media never ask Cameron the hard questions.Like why has he told Turkey they are welcome to come to Britain?>
All we do is read articles in newspapers and become agitated but every one of us just sits back and takes it. We are sitting on a time bomb in the UK and when the money dries up as it will when we are supporting the world then we are all stuffed. The successive Governments have treated us all like mugs. We must remember that these people in power are no more educated than many of us so why do we allow it?
The MPs and employers dream! CHEAP WORKERS!
WE ARE BEING RUINED BY THE EU AND OUR POLITICIANS. VOTE UKIP AND PUT AN END TO THIS MADNESS.
'Land of Hope and Glory', what a pathetic joke.
"Dosey Dave,and his pals cannot understand why A & E depts are over stretched and cannot cope, What to you think all these immigrants go if they cut there finger ,,,,go to A&E they have no doctor, And by the way Richard UKIP is not the only party that wants to put a stop to SOME immigration The B.N.P wants to stop ALL IMMIGRATION.
Great Britain R.I.P. Welcome to UK 2.0
I moved from Plymouth because of the Loony Left council there. It used to be referred to as 'Lambeth-by-the-Sea'.
France deport"s them, but the UK don"t because............................... - barking snail, nottingham, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 7:27 The reason is because DC is a spineless nothing and we do not have a real powerful minister in charge of immigration whether it is from the EU or anywhere else. It is all smoke and mirrors and no action is beingtaken by anyone.
This country needs a tidy up, a very comprehensive deep clean and has done for a long while.
"Smug", "self-regarding, "bigots"? Coo, that`s a case of pot and kettle if ever I heard one!
Here's one option for those of you less enthused by this: presumably if 26 million Romanians and Bulgarians move here there will be two completely empty countries which you could take over and vote for whatever brand of reactionary UKIP/EDL party you form over there.
We needed a party like UKIP actually in power before the end of this year when the flow of Romanians to Britain will become a tidal wave. Now it's too late, can anyone believe that these shanty towns will be dismantled and the occupants sent back? Of course not, all we can expect is expensive building projects to give them somewhere proper to live courtesy of the British taxpayer. Thanks Tony & Dave.
Romania will be a nice place to live next year. All the scum will be in the UK. Perhaps we should think of moving out there !
Come 1/1/14 there will be no going back. They will put down roots and even if we exit Europe it will be too late. Simple economics state we cannot afford them. Nothing racist about it. If I moved there and demanded similar, id be sent packing. We forget that Romania for one has many social issues and deprivation we haven't seen for 100's of years. If we don't pull out of this lunacy, there will be no British people that contribute left in the UK. We have lost our rights, privileges and identity. It doesn't pay to work, earn more than £35k and live in the UK
And here's me thinking they can't come in until next year what a load of twaddle vote UKIP its our only chance vote UKIP at the local elections then 2015 vote UKIP believe me its our only hope the politicians on all sides of the house just want to be on top of the pile of c**p Vote UKIP
Well said....can't we have more like him who are prepared to speak out for OUR RIGHTS.
Sad.... Sorry to the war dead in ww2 you wasted your time, we have now given our country away
Nobody should be allowed in to our Country with no money and no where to live end of. This is what is going to happen. They are homeless in there own Country so they come here expecting to get housed at the Tax Payers Expense. Thats what the Campaign Cameron launched to try and stop them from coming here should have said not tell them about the bloody weather.
We had a story yesterday about a woman who put a mobile home in her backyard for her elderly mother to live in, which is undeniably an eyesore, but of course her council has asked for it to be removed. Burgeoning shanty towns have sprung up around Southall quite some time ago but seemingly they go unnoticed in spite of the fact that many are living there in dangerous conditions. We now have another shanty town in Hendon. Not to mention various groups of Eastern Europeans who live rough in woods and commons in Eastern England and latterly caves around the River Mersey. IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE PROGRESS? Then of course there are Roma gypsies who seem to be allowed to roll up and parks themselves all over prime parts of London. WHY? On the subject Romas, their history tells us that they have been living in Eastern Europe for close on 1000 years but are clearly reviled there and have don't seem to have been assimilated, but somehow we are supposed to accommodate them without question.
GET US OUT NOW
When will the week, spineless, overpaid, incompetent, lazy and uninterested politicians wake up and listen to the people of the uk. We do not want or need an influx of foreigners. Our healthcare and welfare systems are already stretched. Why oh why oh why should we provide translators in OUR hospitals ? No English no entry. I am slowly becoming more embarrassed at how we are known worldwide as the soft touch and easy option for spongers and criminals. GET A GRIP.
Sorry colin but most people in the north voted labour just because of the word labour now you and every one in the country is paying for it!
And we get told we would have to pull down an extension 1 inch bigger than the plan. Or build a wendy house for the kids in the back garden. All hell would break loose if we were to pitch a tent up where ever we wanted. And yet the Councils let this eyesure making our Country look like a dump can get away with it. I have said it before those living near should with draw there Council tax until this is cleared you would soon see than move then.
As long as LibLabCon can guarantee that British workers race to compete with workers' wages in Vietnam, China, India and Bangladesh, they'll keep their corporate paymasters happy. New Labour started the ball rolling - noticed any difference lately? Thought not.
Cameron is deluded, weak and his own agenda which includes not listening to the people.
Its a secret government plan to get us out of the EU. By letting in 3million migrants causing a housing shortage, school shortage, maternity crisis, crime wave etc people will vote to leave the EU and thus Cameron will get his wish of Britain out the EU. Its the only reason I can think of letting tens of thousands of homeless, poor people into Britain.
Vote UKIP. Get us out of Europe then we can control our borders.
You can't taking people in when you are full, we still have 2.5million unemployed at home we don't need anymore job seekers.
MR CAMERON, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM, AND DEAL WITH IT NOW! INSTEAD OF GOING OFF TO IBIZA PAY A VISIT TO SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES WHO ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THESE PEOPLE, AND SEE FOR YOURSELF WHAT THE LIVING CONDITIONS ARE LIKE. AND INSTEAD OF CUTTING BACK SERVICES, SUPPORT LOCAL POLICE WHO ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS. BEFORE THE ELECTION YOU TOLD US WHAT YOU INTENDED TO DO. WELL YOU DIDN'T SORT OUT THE BANKERS, DO MUCH A IF ANYTHING ABOUT MP'S EXPENSES, BUT FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. WE PAY TOWARDS THE EU; ASK THEM TO HELP US.
Stable door and a horse seems to be the Libcon motto - think they missed out a word and also the whole point ( yet again)
Thank you, New Labour.
Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2, ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/06/2013 05:45 People like you are the reason this country is in ruins, we are not 'racist' for wanting our country back! I suggest you find yourself a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word before you start throwing it around where it doesn't belong!
UKIP for me, call me Dave is a downright disgrace and the sooner he goes the better.- Jonno, Perth, Australia, 14/6/2013 4:06 =========================== Why does who you vote for matter when you live half way round The World?
Stop the World,he wants to get off.
You should not be allowed entry unless you have employment and/or the means to support yourself better still leave the EU!
Having voted and supported the Conservatives for over 40 years it's UKIP for me, my family and friends from now on. How dare these LibLabCon politicians allow foreign criminals, layabouts and scroungers not only into the UK but be so incompetent as to have no means of removing them because a FOREIGN POWER, Brussels, and a foreign court, the ECHR says we cannot. It is high time we told Brussels and the ECHR that enough is enough - and if they don't like it, tough. If UKIP get enough MPs in 2015 and they are in a position to hold the balance of power in Parliament we may be able to send these undesirable packing. Who knows, we may eventually reclaim OUR country! Meanwhile, we will just have to put up with it and watch Typhoid, Cholera and TB and Polio return to the UK - TB is already here. We didn't vote for this, we don't want this, politicians have no right to allow this but what else can we do apart from voting for the only party which will put a stop to this? Vote UKIP.
I don't see what the problem is with deporting anyone who comes to a country just to be homeless. It shouldn't be Britain's responsibility to look after the homeless Romanians, Bulgarians etc, it should be Romania's responsibility, or Bulgaria's, or the government of whatever country they came from. Britain's getting overcrowded, get rid of anyone who has nothing to offer to society - LogieBear, Auckland, New Zealand, 14/6/2013 4:09 ========================== Most in the UK would agree with you but the problem is that it's illegal to do so because of the free movemnet laws set up by the EU and signed into (from the UK's side) by Labour. It's one of the reasons why so many want to pull out of the EU so we can control our own country and not be dictated to by European bureacracy
Calm: The Prime Minister David Cameron insists the UK will not have 'another Polish situation' when restrictions on Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants are relaxed next year. =========== Does he indeed. It's high time the fool got the hell out of UK as well as politics.
I know present Bulgaria and have lived there. The average Bulgarian would delighted if all the Roma moved out, and with good reason.
In my youth, my boyfriend and I who were on a hitch-hiking holiday in France decided to have a nap in the sun one afternoon on the grass outside the Louvre. Within minutes, we were being kicked awake by the police and told to 'degage'!
I like the word "obfuscated". No idea what it means but it's good.
UKIP! Enough said!
Your "piece" is delibaretly, I suspect, misleading. Those "East Europeans" as you callthem are in fact mostly ethnic gypsies, or Roms as they prefer to be called, racially and culturally rather closer to East Indians living in UK. The lived for several hundreds years in south and central Europe - including Romania and Bulgaria and almost nowhere they assimilated or at least accomodated to the host cultures. Since now economic and social climate for them is by far more favourable in UK (or Spain, for that matter) they move to our countries.
I wish Richard Littlejohn was in no.10.
Is this the future, shanty towns and poverty?
Nothing will stop them. It has to come from the top, and it never will.
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2, ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 17:45 Romanians/Bulgarians aren't a race. Have you considered the possibility that people might actually not be racist, just fed up with so many people coming in and doing nothing except being a drain on the system?
They say we voted for this in 1975 and I thought and was assured by Mr Heath and his fellow conspirators we were joining a trading group.
My daughter, English born and bred, with degree, talented, bilingual, is in pokey B&B accommodation, homeless through no fault of her own, waiting to be allocated a council flat. She is not allowed to work whilst there, and is left with £32 per week to keep herself.
These problems can all be solved at the next election..
We have enough British families on benefits to worry about. We dont need half of the Romanian/ Polish population as well. Whilst in London the past 2 weeks, I felt like a foreigner. I don't mind people coming here to work, but they don't work. And with jobs so scarce we should be encouraging British people to work, not foreigners. No wonder this country is broke. I'll be voting UKIP next time - and even that might not be enough to get rid of them.
When are we going to get a Government that actually does what the majority of the people want? Why do we have to cowtow to the EU all of the time? What would actually happen to us if we broke the EU rules for once and stood up to them? Just deport them all for goodness sake!!!!!
Don¿t talk rot, it¿s the neocon capitalists who have kept the borders open so they can drive down wages, any self respecting lefty can clearly tell the difference between those who choose to blame and attack the immigrants who search for a better life and those who are responsible for the turmoil in the world. It is in fact people like you who choose not to discuss the real issues and instead seek to blame the innocent. If you look back to the likes of tony Benn and Michael foot in the 70¿s and 80¿s they sought to protect the borders, keep us out of Europe and protect british jobs for british people, it was in fact the right wing neo-cons of the thatcher era that set the stage for European integration, porous borders, mass unemployment and rotten living conditions but you don¿t want to talk about that, so what do you want to talk about? how much you hate immigrants? Lets make it clear we have Tory government who are doing nothing to change anything,
If they haven't got an address and a job they shouldn't be allowed in and we should defy the EU and do as France does when they don't like something. Long live UKIP!!!
You are showing gypsies!!they are bulgarian and romanian citizens but they are roma!!
England is not really England any more, as it seems to me to be mostly a large refugee camp full of a lot of undesireables. Surely people who wander over here moving from one shanty town in their own country, to making another one here, do not really have any skills that will be useful to this country, as there is hardly likely to be a budding rocket scientist amongst them ?. The only skills they bring with them are the abilities to beg and pick pocket and plead poverty. More than likely they pleaded poverty in their own countries which didn't get them very far, so now they come to England where they reckon their pleas of poverty will be taken much more seriously, and they will benefit very much from it.
Add richness to our culture...Lazy British workers.... Treacherous, destructive simpletons, we won't have a culture soon. I wish you'd go to Bulagaria.
Don't pay your council tax until the council have tidied up !
"Mr Littlejohn, the country is a mess and going downhill at an accelerating rate." - Chris , Woodbridge, 14/6/2013 04:09. This has been the case since I learned to talk about 60 years ago. The term they used then was "The Country is going to the dogs". I have no idea what "going to the dogs" means but it doesn't sound good. Previously, The Country, was "Going to Hell in a handcart". Wherever The Country is going, it is obviously taking a very long time to arrive, centuries in fact, probably something to do with The Department of Transport. Are you going downhill fast, Chris? If so I suggest you do something about it. I am afraid that you won't find Nigel Farage of much help, he is far too busy trying to prevent The Country going downhill, to deal with individual cases. Personally, I am doing OK, so I am really just a spectator in all this, though I must say it sounds pretty awful and I sympathise with anyone who is directly involved in all this "Downhill" business.
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2 , ipswich ..... I first read this as sarcasm and green arrowed it. Then I read it again, and actually think it may be genuine. Wow.
Immigration is the only way Milliband and company can increase their vote so if they get back in government expect the floodgates to open wide.
It Is JUNE now we have until DECEMBER to stop these people coming here we must get our mp's to stop this we must get them to listen to us. If you think anything about your country we must act to stop this before its to late.We are sitting ducks waiting for this to happen when we can stop it.
Dave's just a posh waffler. The voters can see that, most of his MPs can see that, the immigrants can see that. Only Dave's mirror reflection is telling him all is neat and dandy in the wonderful world of economic migration.
'And they tell us the EU & immigration is a good thing for the UK!!! - Birricchinoman, Gothenburg' Give credit where it is due: Miliband, Clegg and Cable are vocal supporters of the benefits of large-scale immigration. The problems stemming from uncontrolled immigration are entirely self-inflicted: they have not been the work of agencies or individuals beyond these shores. The French sorted the Roma problem in quick time: clearance of the slum encampments and the 'residents' were forcibly deported! That solution beats the 'don't come here, it rains a lot' strategy.
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2 , ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/6/2013 06:45...oh the irony! You just don't see it do you?
The remarks of tiffersno2 only go to prove what Littlejohn wrote!!
Yes, we now Mr Littlejohn about your views. Each and other of your articles only proves them.
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY are we allowing these gypsies to settle where they want? Does no-one care? What are the Government doing? For heaven's sake I despair for our country!!!!
Ahh. England to get invaded? The chickens have come home to roost!
Great Britain no longer has an empire, we are not responsible for the European population. Let foreign governments look after their own people and for once please make the UK government look after its own people. The skills, the knowledge and the work ethics are already here. Just look at the efforts the British people make to leave unemployment and gain a job.
If that had been my daughter I would have had to resort to taking punishment myself - and the judge would have been to blame.
Someone has to replace all the high skilled Brits heading for the scorching summers and glorious winters of Western Australia. Good luck with that.
Am I missing something here or is Richard blaming the previous administration for failing to act on an illegal squatter camp which has only been in existence for the last few months. If so it does it seem unreasonable to expect that our Government might actually have the guts to do soemthing rather than blaming the incumbents of 4 years ago. Furthermore it was the Tories who took us into Europe and the Tories who signed The Maastricht Treaty and the Tories have been in power for sometime now. Is this the true nature of the Conservatives the complete inability to accept responsibility for anything even when enacted under their governance ? And if Cameron hasn't got the balls to exercise power and sort out this mess then perhaps he should hand over to somebody who has.
Couldn't we find them campsites in Camden, Notting Hill and Barnes etc on the lefties' doorsteps?
STOP letting them in, and kick those already here OUT. It`s straight forward. Give two fingers to Brussels, the same as the rest of Europe do, unless Brussels want them there....?.
Blair and labours Britain, those of you that vote Labour and Liberal are the cause please remember at the next election, plus Cameron is weak the only answer for this Country is UKIP>
They should be stopped by the police and if they have no visible means of support and/or cannot speak the language and have no proof they are taking lessons they should be out the same week. On a plane preferably Ryanair!
You are quite wrong, Richard. According to Matthew Wright.....very few Romanians et al will come here next year, and will certainly not expect anything from the taxpayer!!!!
I blame the liberal democrats they have ruined this country with there policies and there influence in the coalition they treat public money like its there own
One thing the governinging classes don't seem to acknowledge, is that even if these immigrants do work- in most cases for less than the legal minimum wage- they are preventing others of the indigenous population: unskilled men, young people and mums, who supplement their families' income by working a few hours a day waitressing or cleaning, from working. It's a mess, and it won't get any better until these head in the sand politicians see the reality of the situation.
Not only exactly what you say but also if you are a UK citizen who has paid in all your life you will see your pension cut to pay for them, you will receive less healthcare to pay for them, you will get less benefits to pay for them, you will have to work longer to pay for them - basically YOUR quality of life will be slashed just to pay for them. This country is completely screwed unless a seriously radical change of Government is made in 2015. If you get Labour or the Tories back in power in 2015, the country WILL descend into total destruction. - L. G. , Berkshire, 14/6/2013 05:49 - There are no jobs and not enough houses, there's no water or money, now "they" are saying there's no food [though I don't suppose "their" taxpayer-subsidised restaurants will be cutting out meat] and still our deranged, imbecilic masters want more people to come and settle here.
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it. - tiffersno2, ipswich, United Kingdom, 14/06/2013 05:45 That's right, bring out the 'race' card. It's because of the 'leftists' the country is in the state it is.
Isn't it great to live in an asylum run by lunatics? In another news item it is stated that 4 out of five people think that politicians care for themselves before others. I wonder why only 4 out of 5, who are the other deluded 20%?
Opening border controls? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this mean that I ( from the US) can move to UK? I thought it was really REALLY hard to get permission to move and live there. - cpw , USA, 14/6/2013 04:42.....................................................You've got to be joking! If only you could see what is happening in reality, you're only seeing the news items.....Everything is straining above capacity, Read about problems in the NHS, Water shortages, Gas supply levels, clogged roads. Government debts at record levels, crime going unpunished because there's no money to pursue offenders........ There's far too many people on our tiny island and they just keep letting more in!
Lol, this made me laugh: 'since they have a far superior work ethic to the bone-idle British' Considering we in the UK work the longest hours a week, take less holidays and even have less time off on the sick. Nice article but get all your facts correct!
I feel so much anger and sadness ,We can do nothing to stop these people coming in to our country,voting for a party that stood for your values and ideals at least made one feel connected with the country and others of similar political views.Now voting for any party is a waste of time as politicians become more focused on their careers after political lives are over and their manifesto promises are just lies to get the vote.I am petrified of what is in store for our wonderful country and there is nothing I can do about it.I will vote UKIP but I feel that it will not be enough,something has to be done now before any more migrants come here and ruin our once amazing island
I feel so much anger and sadness ,We can do nothing to stop these people coming in to our country,voting for a party that stood for your values and ideals at least made one feel connected with the country and others of similar political views.Now voting for any party is a waste of time as politicians become more focused on their careers after political lives are over and their manifesto promises are just lies to get the vote.I am petrified of what is in store for our wonderful country and there is nothing I can do about it.I will vote UKIP but I feel that it will not be enough,something has to be done now before any more migrants come here and ruin our once amazing island
This just sickens me to my stomach CLOSE THE BORDERS. we don't want them here.
The French rounded them up and kicked them out - last time I looked they were in the EU.
No doubt Britons will be leaving UK in droves. Good idea, as long as they don't come to France. But they won't will they. They won't qualify for benefits. Which is why Eastern Europeans don't come here very much.
Our political system means we rarely get what we vote for, party leaders pursue their own agendas w once voted in
What a sensible truthful article on the subject !!
Ignorance is no defence in law. We Brits all know and have to pay the price, but this lot coming in seem to get away with it...
Game over for England. Rip
Immigrants have come to this country for centuries. My own great grandparents came here to escape persecution in their homeland. The only real difference is that they came to Work, Integrate and Contribute. The situation now is that poorer countries who have fiddled their admission to the EU are now being encouraged to offload their problem population onto our health and benefits system instead of raising living standards for their own people. We joined a trading association to benefit our own people and economy as did every other EU state. We did not sign up to be the cash cow of the world just because an arrogant, unelected elite have decided that we should be impoverished by some vast, flawed social experiment. Give me my country back. VOTE UKIP. We only need to do it once then we could return to our tribal voting patterns....if we could ever trust LIBLABCON again.
We are becoming a 3rd world country
Mr Littlejohn..Can you please recall what Cameron said about reducing immigrtion to tens of thousands as one of his election promises that he has broken. Last year half a million immigrants entered the UK The border agency is not fit for purposes due to the tory cuts and the redundancies made.
Mr Littlejohn knows very well it is matter for Barnet Council and the owner of the site in hendon to take action in this matter, under article 45 of the treaty on the functioning of the EU, EU nationals have the right to free movement within the EU and as we know there many many british nationals have done and moved to such places as spain, Bulgaria and Romania have some temporary restrictions till the end of 2013. If Mr Littlejohn does not like being in the EU then may be he should vote against being in the EU when ever we all get a chance or may be stand for UKIP in the next GE. In mean time it is up to Barnet Council to take legal action and clear the site.
I despair! How do we escape this hell hole? No one will have me and my husband at 49 ... no country will take us unless we are the right age with the right professional qualifications.
Dessicration of a country by politicians. Not only are huge areas turned into slums, but British culture is being destroyed, British towns are being destroyed, British shops are no longer British, and in many areas the British people are looked down upon as a minority who shouldn't be there. To qualify, our politicians have ruined this country. Can it ever be returned to how it was? Unfortunately not. Can things be halted? Probably not, with our weak leaders. Will Cristianity disappear? Almost certainly, and quicker than people realise.
Leave the EU and stay in the single market. Apply to join NAFTA.
Voting UKIP may be , unfortunately, the only way to get rid of the spineless lily-livered wets who have controlled our country for so long. Unfortunately it was all of us who put them there in the first place and now I think it's not a case of shutting the gate after the horse has bolted, rather trying to shut the gate but finding it impossible due to the thousands of eastern europeans wedging it open with their bodies. Heaven help us all.
Just why isn't the law as it stands vigourously enforced, just like it is in France when they send in the CRS to deal with camps,etc. The right of Free Movement ONLY exists to those who do NOT become a burden on the hosting state. Anything else should mean immediate deportation, with no return for at least 5 years.
Just deport them,see what Brussels does and ignore,then don't pay any fine imposed,get thrown out of the E.Usless,patrol our own borders,simple really!!!
Often working 14 hours a day for the pleasure of paying 40% income tax, a) I am not lazy, work shy Britons are a minority and it's the governments fault, and b) I am furious I'll have to pay for these people.
yeah, look at "them" living in those plush, hotel-like shanty towns. high on the hog, they are! ridiculous article.
Great article, lets start the debate, this cannot go on. It's time the government acted
Any party that takes us of the EU gets my vote, I have never been more determined in my life and before my life ends I wish to see us leave and we will if we stop voting tor liblabcon. This will put an end to it all, a cross against any party but not these parasites.
Chris - Woodbridge... What's so special about UKIP; they are also politicians so why should they respond in the same way as the current shower. Once in power, everything they have said goes out of the window. Politicians are fundamentally tellers of untruths. Bobby, Leicester
There is only one way, VOTE UKIP and then we can take back OUR country. My father fought in the Royal Air Force in WW2 along with thousands of other members of other English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh ie the real British, we owe it to them and ourselves to reclaim our Great Britain.
Get us out of the EU or we are FINISHED!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have had Tory governments as well as Labour governments. In fact we have one now. Secretly the Tories like migration because it provides an endless stream of cheap, non-union labour.
This has been coming for years , all thanks to lefty self-righteous traitors the country has been well and truly invaded. The only advise I can give to anyone back in broken Britain is to pack up and get out while you can. Things just ain't gonna get any better . They can't even deport one hate preacher,never mind a rabble living in cardboard boxes. No other country in the world is daft enough to take em!
Great these people have more rights than myself in my country, I'm married to a Canadian and had to leave as her visa run out and due to a costly visa minefield looks like we will be forced out of my country, so a non tax payer can now take my place....well done Cameron
First of all I dont blame the migrants whatever their race. We have become doormats for the rest of Europe and the blame lies squarely on our wimpy, gutless politicians who have invited migrants in with open arms. I can see London parks taken over by homeless EU migrants, they will turn London into a cesspit, and tourism will suffer, but hey Cameron is not worried, he thinks they will go elsewhere, end of.....
Why is this being allowed? I despair.
But we ARE all guilty Richard, guilty of being mug enough to put up with it, guilty of voting the rabble that allows it to happen into power.
The best way to discourage them, is to just not let them in!!!!
What is happening to this country; what will it be like when my grandchildren grow up its frightening. We have to get rid of this coward of a government and vote UKIP.
if I lived opposite these parks where their camping on I would refuse to pay my council tax.
Can't you deport the politicians to Romania and Bulgaria then they can offer them benefits and houses to return home.
The government don't do responsibility, if fact their only, self appointed, responsibility is to corporations and to the finance industry. One could make a compelling argument for british democracy having been usurped by a foreign power. We are living in a corporatocracy and corporations care only about a good supply of the cheapest labour.
I have never thought about leaving this country, but my wife and I have the kind of skills that would enable us to emigrate. But I think for my children's future I am going to do it.
breaks my heart to see Hendon fc like this.
I would welcome with open arms all eastern Europeans to the UK, i think everybody has the right to better themselves, it not as if theirs not enough green fields to build on back home.
Those are real Roma gypsies, with their own language and culture.Dont forget Germans want to gas them as well as Jews during WW2 I'm sure people in Romania, Hungary etc are happy they are leaving for western Europe as they are nomads.
breaks my heart to see the home of Hendon fc like this.
There is clear answer to these problems. At the next General Election, vote for the party who has promised to say "No more" and to restore control of our own borders to these shores. If people don't do that they will only have themselves to blame for the consequences.
If the British were more willing to work hard then there wouldn't be the opportunities to work in Britain drawing foriegners in. The people coming here are not benefit scroungers, they've come here to work. Which is a lot more than can be said for a large number of 'native' Brits.! I expect at least a +1000 rating for this comment.
Being from Stockport, I can happily tell you that a Romanian in a cave has had no affect upon me whatsoever!
Couldn't the jury put an opinion up for sentencing i.e 300 years and deportation for the judge to consider
If no one shifts them and tells them "This is not how we live in Britain!" then we will see more of these shanty towns!
What is the point of complaining? One thing is for certain, they will never sleep rough in Downing St, there are metal gates to prevent this! Dave's all right Jack!
The Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, lives in a luxury apartment in the Palace of Westminster at our expense. That probably leaves a home elsewhere, possibly also purchased at our expense, which he could throw open to all visiting Romanians.
When are we going to fight back?.....when we're in the sea?
Punish Cameron and punish Miliband at the polls, neither of these must sit in Government again!
Coming to a town near you.
Agh, a UKIP i told you so. I remember the common sense tour Nigel Farage did, labour sent along some hecklers, who when he talked about the romanian and blugarians being allowed to come in jan, he was mean by shouts of "scare mongering" "lies" "racist". As we all knew and expected it seems he is right, just like he has been on so many other issues. I wish to thank the daily mail for finally saying something positive about UKIP. However i think more should have been done to point out the Pro UKIP theme here like they would have done if the tories said it!!
Couldn't the people whom fall foul of the bedroom tax accommodate some?
All the Lisbon treaty achieved was to allow one country to shift its problem to an other , and then allow them to wash there hands of there resposiblities
I am actually really scared about what will be "Britain" this time next year
The Roma Gypsy issue has been around for a hundred years or more and has never been solved so how on earth should we in the UK be subjected as a test bed to resolve it.? The government and all parties have had enough advanced warning about how the voting public dread Jan 2014 and still do noting about it! It just makes you feel so let down by the political elite.
There are approximately the same amount of British and US expats living in Estonia right now, as Estonian citizens in UK. What should we do, deport them also?
Traitorous Blair and Camoron have disgraced themselves and have and are slowly but surely decimating this country!
all you ever hear from this government is how many british there are claiming benefits they do nothing to stop the thousands of immigrants who are coming from other countries claiming benefits. its time to put our own people first
Well written and very worrying piece.....at the risk of being labelled un 'pc' I think no work or place to live should equal no entry to the UK. end of.
And Cameron claims Britain's place is at the heart of Europe! Cameron's place is surely in a padded cell where he can longer do any harm to the country?
I fail to understand why they're being allowed to stay whilst the border controls barring their entry until next year are still in place. It also puts paid to Mr Cameron's silly theory that bad weather and new rules on benefits will deter them.
I'm sure these people come here with good intentions, of looking for work etc, it isn't their fault if there's no jobs. It is a shame about the 4million Brits who haven't got work either, but that's multiculturalism for you. The government should run some training schemes for them, and give them English lessons to help them in their quest for employment. Our local Big issue sellers are all Rumanian and they are nice friendly people,
"Conditions must be pretty dreadful at home if a cave in Stockport is a step up the housing ladder" ...Absolutely priceless, ive spat coffee all over my keyboard. - neil, peterborough, 14/6/2013 3:47 Location, location, location. A cave in a decent area maybe, but a cave in Stockport, that really is a depressing thought All the best Dave
Three things really scare me about all political parties; a) They are startlingly incompetent b). What decisions they do make are completely contrary to public wishes. c). They are in total denial of any detrimental effects of their decisions. The emotive commentators on this site say Britain is finished, and it may well be if we don't fundamentally change our approach to this sort of problem. Voting won't do it, and neither will indignant posts on newspaper websites, it needs the public to stand up and scream "We're not going to take it any more". I'm screaming...anybody listening?
The problem is, the 3 established parties have sold their souls to the EU. Any attempt to block the EU's ultimate goal, of a United States or Europe run by the unelected, would be seen as an attack on the EU and their place at the trough would be removed, hence our current politicians would rather be subservient to the EU than risk losing their place on the Gravy Train.........
Depwavid 02:52 is right. On balance mass immigration is related to the availability of state largesse in the UK. He is also right that most immigrants and certainly those receiving state largesse would support the "Big State" party (Labour). Lord Mandelson is on the record explaining how immigration was part of the New Labour secret strategy to become permanently in power in the UK. Hopefully more and more voters realise that if they vote in Labour in 2015, mass immigration as government strategy will resume. If voters do not realise this I would refer them to an Einstein quotation: Insanity = repeating the same course of action and expecting a different outcome. Labour if returned will waste money and promote multi-culturism / mass immigration.
I don't see what the problem is with deporting anyone who comes to a country just to be homeless. It shouldn't be Britain's responsibility to look after the homeless Romanians, Bulgarians etc, it should be Romania's responsibility, or Bulgaria's, or the government of whatever country they came from. Britain's getting overcrowded, get rid of anyone who has nothing to offer to society - LogieBear , Auckland, New Zealand, 14/6/2013 04:09.........the problem is the EU wont let us. only UKIP want to be independant and make our own rules
sure, I'll carry on working until I'm at least 90 or dead so someone else can scrounge off my hard earned taxes, oh and remove the retirement date, I doubt I will live long enough to reach it by the time I retire, shall I write my will straight over to the government so they can give it all away too? Getting very fed up with all this now ...
Immigration is totally out of control and the party that will actually do something about it (not just talk about it) will get my vote
The Border Agency is renowned for its ineptitude, especially when it comes to finding fault with one of their own front line staff. They ignored my complaint re an abuse of power and petulance at the immediate time of the incident. Failed to respond to a written complaint until the third complaint arrived with them via an MP in charge of the Home Office department. Then a further six months and various vacuous responses ending with a suggestion that their records could not authenticate my complaint but that, and this is a good one, they had asked staff but no one could recall the incident. This despite an extremely good description of the individual and his two female colleagues, the date and time of the incident within a 10 minute +/- time scale and the fact that all my documentation, passport, car papers and other documents were taken from me for one can only assume a computer search. So glad I do not need to come back to Blighty, good luck to you all.
Raise the drawbridge! We are an island. If we can't defend our boarders what hope have we got?
We have run out of decent housing. We run out of water during the summer. We were on the verge of running out of gas during this winter. We are struggling to keep up with our electricity demand. Our NHS service has already burst at the seams. And still the government allows migration by some of the most undesirables from Eastern Europe. We can't house or feed our own people but we can find money to accommodate Somalians, etc. in million pound houses. Who then moan that they are hard done by. We must stop immigration and migration. The student visa situation is a joke. It is used by foreigners to get access to Britain to then disappear never to be found again. When will the government realise we are full up and overflowing. We need to send some of them back. And now.
Anyone noticed how the French deal with this ! They are supposedly under the same EU rules as us but they know the French people will have no truck with these illegal immigrants setting up camp willy nilly. What does Brussels do about the French police action - nothing! What do we do? Make hand wringing excuses for inaction while they consolidate these shanty towns into major campsites. And BTW : what happened to the CLEAR rule that these immigrants had to claim asylum in the FIRST free country they arrived in - not travel across numerous safe countries to get to mugs of Europe ... Yes, the UK
The problem would be dealt with pretty swiftly if these "slums" were torn down and re-erected outside the homes of politicians. Their presence has no detrimental effect on those living in Downing Street, Connaught Court, Chipping Norton or any of the tax payer funded mansions occupied by politicians in central London.
The French appear to have no difficulty in breaking up these illegal encampments and deporting the inhabitants on the next plane back to Romania. So just why are the British incapable of doing the same?
I fear it is already to late to stop. Germany has already warned us as to what we might expect, but we have shut our eyes Until we are rid of EU domination, and get some politicians with balls, that will defend this country, this sort of thing will continue.
Very well put, I gree with all that has been written. We will wake up and find it all to late when the real problems start. When the people of Uk take to the street to clear them.
Unfortunately when you treat and view people as sheep you ain't going to convince the wealthy farmers into thinking things would not be more profitable if they could just squeeze a few more animals onto the farm.
I cannot get over what has happened to this country. Worst of all noone is doing anything. With all the spongers from around the world, there will be nothing left for future generations. What is the point of working so hard all your life? I pat tax evaders on the back. Cant say i blame them
The problem is, that we are not asking "What benefits are these people bringing to Britain by their presence?"...We are like acting like a victim and accepting crime and disregard for our customs. We should deport all these nuisances back to their various homelands. If nothing is done London will become a large slum.There must be a law already in existence which allows these people to be moved on. Clean up the shanty towns in the back gardens of certain London Boroughs too. That is against planning rules.. Since we have had all these troubles with life in Britain, it appears to me that the problem is not so much not having the laws but the fact they are not implemented. ...Who is failing to implement the law of the land?..................Why are they not using the laws? ...Why are we employing people who cannot /will not do their jobs? ......Who/What is hampering judges from acting tougher?...Can we all start camping in the parks for free when we visit London?...So much cheaper.
as long as they stay in london the more the Merrier,preferably outside the house of commons
Comments say get rid of Cameron. What ,and then Labour will be in power,then you will slide into third world status very quickly.
I would just like to remind everyone that it costs us £55 million pounds PER DAY to be members of the EU. You could build a lot of houses or refurbish a lot of caves for that sort of money and create a lot of jobs into the bargain.
I hate to have to say this but with the arrival of such poorly educated and ill-mannered migrants, Britain has gone down the hills. They come here to work but they hardly spend their money here- instead they send it home to their families. These people make not the slightest effort to learn English and there are so many who have lived in the UK for at least 20 years and still can't string together proper words in English. I know of at least one Eastern European who lived illegally in the US for 15 good years and then moved legally to the UK 5 years ago and guess what, he still can't speak English. Neither does he pay tax on his earnings (from undercutting British labor). Yet the government has prevaricated over and over again about immigration and the EU
I'm very sad that incompetent and downright selfish MP's are devastating the UK. Labour thought they could bring in votes, the coalition are too weak to 'do the right thing' whatever that means? All our infrastructure is collapsing under the weight of people abusing the system, madness
Starting with Bliar, then following on with Cameron, the lie of multiculturalism being good for the UK has been spread wide and far. However, a once reasonably law abiding country, with the mother of all parliaments, has been taken down the toilet. We have dishonest politicians, all hoping for jobs in the EU where they can steal the expense money and line up huge pensions, they take cash for questions, cheap loans and jobs for when they retire. If they lose their seats, it is like the average person winning the lottery with them receiving cash payouts, keeping stolen expense funds and generous pensions. Of to so some sunny shore far away from the mess that is the UK. Not for them to worry about the crime, unemployment, destruction of the social services that all these immigrants will bring. They couldn't control the influx of illegals from the near and far east, this new bunch are legal, so there is no prospect of controlling them.
The rich lefties with power (including Cameron and his motley crew) just want the luxury of being seen to have a social conscience and be generally good eggs. They live in wealth and luxury most of us can only dream of and are never personally affected by their pious rants. Nasty hypocrites the lot of them. VOTE UKIP.
coming to a town near you
Vintage column from Richard today. NO ONE should be allowed to settle in the country unless they can prove that: a) they have come to invest money in the economy to create employment, b) they have specific skills that are not available in the UK, c) they have sufficient funds to support themselves without recourse to public funds. Obviously no criminals or people from hate cultures should be allowed either. Is that extremist or just common sense?
Wouldn't be tolerated in France no matter what eu ruling said otherwise. Just kick the parasites out. Can't blame this one entirely on Dodgy Dave though as it was labour who opened the doors to more prospective voters. Shows the type of people labour represents!
depwavid, from Panama city is dead right.....The first time I saw Nobama spouting his ideas, I said ``There is Blair mark Two``.....One of Blairs first pronouncements was ``We are going to change this country, once and for all``..........Thanks Tony.
No Richard. The blame lies with those who vote Labour, Liberal and Tory. They are the people who want us in the EU, so the fault is entirely theirs.
Glad I got out. Such a shame to see Britain in such a mess due to weak politicians.
I really fear for this country come January the first, we are inviting trouble and there is not one politician in westminster with the guts to admit it. By the time of the GE all the talk will be, what do we do about immigration,Cameron will go down in history as the man who quite happily let this happen.
Yes, but let's be fair to Cameron. It's true he doesn't care a damn about immigration; absurd rules from the EC; violence on the streets; the lazy getting paid our money for lying in bed at home; the health service dropping to third world standards, the courts allowing criminals to go scot free, etc, etc, etc. But give the man his due: he is fanatical about homosexual "marriage" and, after all, this is what the MPs and House of Lords care about not to mention the BBC and THE GUARDIAN.
These stories often talk about how these scroungers always want to prefer the UK for 'colonisation." Not too hard to figure out (though the reporters often seem confused. A Panorama program a few years ago followed third world (not legal EU) immigrants from Africa on the underground railroad they use all the way to get to Calais. At Calais was the only barrier they found along the way--before it was open borders and they easily got into Greece from Turkey. The reporter for Panorama interviewed some of the young men waiting to jump on the lorries headed across the channel. "Why UK?" she asked. "You are in an EU country now. Why not France? Germany? You've already come through there." One young man looked at the reporter as if she were moronic and said "Oh no. We want UK. In Uk we get house. We get money. We get EVERYTHING in UK. Here were get nothing." They all know this. Why don't the numpties inside our own country know why they are flocking here first choice?
uk is planned as dumping ground for the worlds trash--we are an island and eu can control our borders
Politicians don't care they live in nice secluded areas with large pensions to indulge themselves. Pity they don't come out of parliament and have a look around the streets and see what they have done to the country. Has Blair and his cronies apologised for the state the country is in. All they do is downsize the military and Police force, so no protection for the ordinary citizen.
Well done mr littlejohn, another insightful article.
Fearing being called a racist is ridiculous, somebody somewhere needs to acknowledge that our beautiful country is far too small to cope with huge numbers of immigrants, living here feels like we are bursting at the seams already. Villages will have to start becoming areas of towns soon at this rate, and somebody needs to do something about it.
Having lived in Denmark, I know for a fact that European countries laugh at Britain for its slavish obedience to EU laws. Even the cooperation-loving Scandinavians break them when it suits!
' We let anyone in.com ' formally Great Britain
Vote UKIP. Can't wait for 2015 - do it now.
What is wrong with the local council. Move them on. Local taxpayers should be putting pressure on their local council to clear up the area
Honestly I do not see why they can't be kicked out. Every other country would.
can anyone tell me what benefits we get by being part of the EU? Can anyone tell me if we live in a democracy why can we not have a referendum on the Eu?
France deport"s them, but the UK don"t because...............................
Why don't the fire brigade go in with the hoses and wash these cess pits away after first setting fire to the rubbish .Just how much are we expected to tolerate in this country before the police /councils and first and foremost the government do something about this invasion of immigrants. WE in this country are far too tolerant to the lawbreakers and undesirables coming into this country. We are being dragged into this mess purely by Brussels laws on too many issues we must have a referendum now and not in four years time.i
Its all very well to say "Vote UKIP" but it will be too late by then, won't it? What happens if 5 million Romanians/Bulgarians come pouring through the borders on 1st January? The British people need to do something NOW!
If we could be confident that the new arrivals will contribute as much to our economy as some of their Eastern European neighbours, such as the Poles, we would have nothing to worry about. Speak for yourself. If you were a builder having to compete by taking lower wages or having less work as a result of Polish carpenters, plumbers etc flooding the country I'm sure you would have a different view.
I though the TORY'S were running the country !
All that needs to be asked is why doesn't the British govt feel it's necessary to look after the British people first and foremost. The Swiss look after the Swiss first, and as a foreigner living in Switzerland I applaud that mentality. It's up to me to integrate with them, and making sure I have a decent job and a home, is part of that integration. It's not racist to put your own people first, it's called common sense and right.
Labour have an excuse, they are idiot socialists, but what is Dave's excuse? Continuing to let millions of immigrants in where many claim benefits is socialism of the first order. When is Cameron going to realize he's a Tory?
The problem is that in the history of the world a declining empire has never recovered. Picture a scenario for fixing our woes and then see how easy it is to dismantle when you realise the material you are working with. Most of the best of our people died in the two world wars and right now the only thing worth planning is an exit strategy. If you have any sense you will at least try and get your kids out. I know I am.
I work in Mayfair, and I have seen quite an influx lately of Romanians. Lots of really quite aggressive begging, accordion playing and harassment. All you hear is 'pleaseeeeeee' and a hand in your face. It's only going to get worse.
So Mr Rashid was bright enough to use a computer and Facebook, but not bright enough to know that sex with a 13-year-old girl is illegal. In any event, it's always been the rule that ignorance of the law is no excuse. Except for Muslims, it seems.
Politicians through their refusal to act and there keenness to stay in the EU and let 500,00 immigrants a year from outside of the EU in to our country whose are mainly low skilled 3rd world immigrants and leading us by the hand to economic and social ruin, towns and city are no longer British, this will spread across the country in time and by voting Lib/Lab/Con you would have contributed to it, thats why we have to vote UKIP.
I despair.
I would like to ask Mr Cameron face to face just what his fascination with the EU is down to. How can being overrun by the detritus of Eastern Europe. Better the UK ? How does he square being PM of a county council ( which is what Westminster is becoming), With being Prime Minister of what once was Great Britain, the UNITED KINGDOM, Is he afraid that history would judge him harshly IF he were brave enough to remove us from this NIGHTMARE. Rest assured MR C , you would have a landslide victory if you made the next election a joint referendum on IN / Out of BOTH THE EU and the HATED ECHR.
Good article Richard.
Doing it tuff, Brisbane, Australia I would start having a look around your own country (that is unless you're an ex-pat Brit whereby I can understand your comments) because Australia has a huge problem with illegal immigrants entering the country. You have a labour government whose ideology is similar to the UK labour party. Immigration into Australia is changing and challenging the mainly European cultural make up of Australia. As for Britain, politicians sold us out and cannot stand straight enough or speak competently enough to simply kick these people out. My fear is this could cause an almighty backlash and we as a nation are under threat from a politicians desire to create a Britain in their image, which does not befit the British people.
Theres only one option left for the British people .And thats . Mass migration to all those rather empty countries like Poland, Romania.. snapped up houses at Bargain prices .. cheap food .. low taxes and lungful of fresh air and Leave over crowded UK to the immigrants
Thanks once again to labours open door policy total lack of border control and lack of courage by this government aided and abbeted by limp wristed Clegg´s liberals.That is why we have this shambles.these people should be rounded up like they do in Italy and kicked out with a ban on re entering .Please UKIP get elected and change all of this.get us out of the EU dictatorship.Hendon council should bulldoze the site and secure it and rid the local residents of these scumbags .who are either milking the benefits system or thieving in orde to eat
Close the borders. NOW! Do I have to think of everything?
And the gullible judge who let the 18 year old Adil Rashid off on a charge of rape --- " because he was unaware that it was illegal to have sex with an underage girl"---- Should be investigated, since when was IGNORANCE OF THE LAW, an excuse.
I despair of this country and its politicians, wet,wet,wet. Vote UKIP next time around.
In Romania one of the proposals for the new constitution is to declare gypsies non-Romanian. Come January there will be an exodus to the UK and Germany from Romania like a plague of locusts. As for the shanty town in Hendon its a joke, in Romania the local police just knock them down and move them on. Sean- Your Man in Bucharest
The Government have blown a lot of "Hot Air" but they have actually done "Tiddly Squat" about the invasion coming!
If you are an EU citizen you can waltz in to the UK with no problem at all and pick up benefits you have never paid any income Tax for and use the NHS which you have never contributed to while living in a Council house that a UK citizen could occupy and claiming Child Benefit and Income Support, even in the case, as has been revealed, of many Poles claiming Child Benefit for children that live in POLAND and have never been to UK. If however you are a UK Citizen with a Foreign wife you want to bring to the UK you have to PROVE you have enough income to support her and don't even dare to think of trying to claim child benefit for your 'foreign' children. The UK Govt of course still reserves the right to TAX you even if you are not in the UK and cannot claim any benefits or use any services. Anyone else see a huge disconnect here. Oh and they FREEZE our pensions at rate of first issue too even though we paid a lifetime of UK Tax and NI contributions exactly the same as pensioners in UK.
wunt matter ifn you build brand new gaffs fer all v these lot. In two months it will look like a shanytown anyway. They prefers filth and squalor. Seen it meself jes outside of Prague. Hopeless business.
"Leftists" , as you call them do not want to shut down "honest" debate on immigration, they would simply like people like you to admit that you ARE racist. You are clearly deluding yourself to say otherwise, and there can be no "honest" debate until you admit it.
Better get used to it, because you are going to see a lot more. Up to 2015 anyway.
Better start sleeping in your clothes RJ. Ready for the early morning knock. Saying things like "not our problem" must be illegal nowadays, and talking common sense completely banned.
I always thought ignorance of the law was no defence.
Mete strategic justice.
"In the States we have the same problem with Mexican economic refugees." Oh no, you don't have the same problem at all! You don't have unelected foreign bureaucrats writing your immigration laws. You don't have an 'open-door' policy on immigration from twenty-odd foreign countries. You are fortunate enough NOT to be a member of the EU! Here, all our mainstream political parties support EU membership, so we have no-one to turn to to get us out of the EU.
Should make the deluded liblabcons have them in their gardens, sure cameron, ed and clegg have a few spare rooms and gardens they can sleep in. Blair has about 7 houses, why are they letting their guests sleep in caves and inviting millions more?
United Kingdom we no longer are, more like the PITS.
I really don't understand how these people are ever going to be entitled to housing. If you or I left our home of our own free will the council would say we'd made ourselves intentionally homeless and as such wouldn't be entitled to help. Same rules should apply here and for good measure if you have no way of supporting yourself (legally) you shouldn't ever be entitled to more than a one way ticket home.
We are fighting a losing battle. These people are like an invading army, except without the tanks. I would like to see, in my lifetime, B:Liar, Broon, and CaMoron all brought to justice, one way or another, for the premeditated damage they have DELIBERATELY caused the UK to suffer. We have those reptiles to blame, not the foreigners.
Stop access to all benefits and services, toughen prison sentences etc and the problem is virtually solved. Deport all who are not contributing or integrating.
This country is finished. Years of complete incompetence by successive governments. If you have ever voted for any of the main 3 parties then you must share in the blame. UKIP is our ONLY hope at present.
Britain is being swamped by economic migrants looking for an easy ride. They have been given the green light to crawl here from the third world rubbish tips they are so desperate to escape from, just to sap this country dry. Most probably have no 'work ethic', regardless of the relentless brainwash we are fed to the contrary. I believe alot of Brits, especially the English, are becoming very worried, and a few, justifiably angry, at what lies ahead.
The Europhiles in Brussels who thought it a good idea to allow Romania to join the EU should be forced to have homeless Romanian immigrants living in their back gardens.
YOU CAN EXPECT THIS SOMEWHERE NEAR YOU !! IF YOU KEEP ON VOTING LABOUR OR CONSERVATIVE THE ONLY WAY IS UKIP UKIP!!!!!!! SORRY NOT EXPECT GET
As long as we remain in the EU they are free to come, under The Freedom of Movement of People Treaty, whether we like it or not. EU Directives dictate that they are all fully entitled to the same benefits as a UK citizen. This includes housing, unemployment and disability benefits, NHS, education and they will even be able to send child benefit back to any remaining children in Romania or Bulgaria - all legally. Get out of the EU and we get out of the problem.
It was reported earlier in the week that in one poll UKIPs vote had dropped. If the cave dwellers and shanty town in Hendon is a taste of things to come..... expect the UKIP vote to go through the roof!!!
And my daughter with three children and a job can't get a council accommodation.. Born and bred in Britain.... Speechless... 9 years on waiting list yet foreigners are being housed within a week of landing here???
The liberals and lefties tell you immigration is good for you. They site examples of rich immigrants,intelligent immigrants and immigrants who have fled several continents, by passing many safe countries,to come to the UK and enrich us and tell us what a safe and happy country we have. They NEVER tell you about the hundreds of thousands of immigrants that come purely for handouts,health and education. That bring crime,disease, or when working do take our jobs. They never discuss the city centres filled with people wearing foreign or religious dress,who don't work,won't work and just take take take. Never trust a liberal-they don't tell the full truth.
We all know the leftie bigots are responsible but then again - you can't argue with pig ignorance!
Pro- European politicians are self serving traitors who have sold the future or our children for profit. In another time they would all be put on trial. VOTE UKIP - RECLAIM BRITAIN
"Not discussing this issue of immigration is typical of the left wing. Go to any left wing forum and try and discuss immigration with them and you will be questioned about your spelling, your grammar, you will be accused of being racist, being a bigot (a favourite of theirs) and the discussion will always be closed down.

The simple situation is the left want to make Britain as poor as the poorest parts of the world. They don't want to improve these poorest parts, they just want to lower us to that level. The left-wing are highly dangerous, and well organised. Vote for them if you want to become poor without solving the real problems in the world."
"If you are a Pole or a Roumanian Gypsy you can waltz in to the UK with no problem at all and pick up benefits you have never paid Tax for and use the NHS which you have never contributed to. If however you are a UK Citizen with a Foreign wife you have to PROVE you have enough income to support her. Anyone else see a huge disconnect here. - Peter Barry , Denpasar, 14/6/2013 04:02

Not only exactly what you say but also if you are a UK citizen who has paid in all your life you will see your pension cut to pay for them, you will receive less healthcare to pay for them, you will get less benefits to pay for them, you will have to work longer to pay for them - basically YOUR quality of life will be slashed just to pay for them. This country is completely screwed unless a seriously radical change of Government is made in 2015. If you get Labour or the Tories back in power in 2015, the country WILL descend into total destruction."
Poles in the main have a good work ethic, but they wouldn't be here if the top up benefits(working tax, child tax credit, child allowance, council tax, rent rebate) weren't so high, so more and more eastern Europeans will come as their choices are live on generous benefits or get a low paid job and receive generous benefits on top of their wage, it's a win, win situation to them. If the rules are still the same as a few years ago they only need to be in the UK for 6 months to get a council house and they don't wait long before they get one, unlike people who have been here all their lives who wait years and end up renting privately. The government did an investigation into these claims and said they were unfounded, but I see this everyday working in the public sector and living in the real UK. I'll be voting UKIP until things change.
I have to agree with both your comments, Richard........It is totally heartbreaking that our own Government can ignore us completely on the horrors of E.U. free roaming migration.......We've been saying for years we are being drowned by the sheer weight of people arriving in Britain.The answer is NOT to build more houses but to STOP immigration..and LEAVE the E.U....How else are we going to sort ourselves out??? Why are these people allowed to live rough and turn our cities into the filthy ghettoes they've left behind?? Our useless ''people at the top'' don't seem worried about anything but their future jobs in Europe, leaving us to fend for ourselves the best we can!!!.........
Things only happen if you let them.
Quite right. What CHOICE did We ever get about this? It isn't selfish to be resistant to this. What is selfish is to pitch up expecting to help yourself to whats around not having done a thing to contribute to creating it in the first place. If their own country is an unpleasant place might that be BECAUSE of attitudes and behaviour like this? If so why should we tolerate and fund it here?
This will not change until they are camping outside number 10 - then and only then will the penny drop . For those that don't like it , there is only one solution - vote UKIP - if you don't , then you have basically said - this is ok by me !!!
On the other hand, photos like this will certainly put tourists off coming.
Here we have two examples of the establishment deliberately undermining the British identity. Politicians, judges and senior civil servants cannot be that stupid. It is a creeping barrage of destruction. On top of that we read Miliband has ordered his MPs to abstain from the EU referendum bill. One of his frontbenchers, "there is no money left Byrne" has openly stated there will be no referendum under Labour. We all know about the treacherous Lib Dems. Slippery Dave thinks he has placated the Electorate by his cynical and clumsy referendum ploy, while we all know he is a rabid Europhile. The only ones prepared to put a stop to this crippling lunacy are UKIP. Let us hope it is not too late come next election......
The self regarding attention seeking Muppet in the Commons is exactly the type of " money for nothing and the jobs are free " bureaucrat currently employed? to defend our immigration policy.
For the left wing it does not matter how many East Europeans come to Britain, unemployment could rise, crime levels could soar, the country could be drained financially. What the hard left are hoping for is to topple the Government so a full blown socialist Government can take power. The hard left care nothing for this country.
Is this the "often praised" ethinic diversity that the open door policy on immigration brings to OUR country.
This is our country. What do out children have to look forward too. All these dole grabbing foreigners are bleeding this country dry. And it is an embarrassment to say I'm British. We should do what Australia do. If u have no means of an income then u can't come in. Simple!!!
Opening border controls? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this mean that I ( from the US) can move to UK? I thought it was really REALLY hard to get permission to move and live there.
Our only option is to close the borders. Let the EU try and fine us after that.
VOTE UKIP
Well done to the Man also.
We can all anticipate with dread the disaster about to befall the nation brought about by successive traitorous politicians of the Bercow ilk bent upon destroying England it's traditions, history and culture - these people make the Cambridge five seem like innocent misunderstood patriots. I can foresee a great deal of social unrest on the streets as people become fully aware what is happening to their country.
The only thing that would deter them is a total ban on claiming any benefits at all or accessing services such as the NHS without paying upfront. But even then that's not guaranteed to be a deterrent
We should jail every MP and wjves ( who have enjoyed all the money and priveleges the job brings ) for 30 years, no exceptions. The crime? Treason. Then close the political parties down, being pointless, and seek righteous men and women of a patriotic persuasion to guide us. And close down the bulk of the civil service etc who are opposed to all things British. And do useless jobs in the bulk of case. Simple. Lets do it. Britain First and God bless us as a nation
Labour and their "open-door" policy on immigration have a lot to answer for.. They are supposed to represent the working man, but mass immigration only affects one class of person - The Working Man... In other words, Labour have done a big poo on their own kind.. And there are idiots out there who will still be voting for Balls, Cooper and Milliband at the next election.
Mr Littlejohn, the country is a mess and going down hill at an accelerating rate. Trouble is our political elite don't give a jot and won't do any thing about it. They only way is to kick them out and vote UKIP.
I don't see what the problem is with deporting anyone who comes to a country just to be homeless. It shouldn't be Britain's responsibility to look after the homeless Romanians, Bulgarians etc, it should be Romania's responsibility, or Bulgaria's, or the government of whatever country they came from. Britain's getting overcrowded, get rid of anyone who has nothing to offer to society
UKIP for me, call me Dave is a downright disgrace and the sooner he goes the better.
If you are a Pole or a Roumanian Gypsy you can waltz in to the UK with no problem at all and pick up benefits you have never paid Tax for and use the NHS which you have never contributed to. If however you are a UK Citizen with a Foreign wife you have to PROVE you have enough income to support her. Anyone else see a huge disconnect here.
The UK as we used to know it is lost thanks to incompetent governments that have been hell bent on wrecking the country just to get a voting base to stay in power for as long as they can. It is way to late to shut the gate. What was once a beacon of democracy and law has gone down the toilet thanks to money grubbing politicians that when it finally hits the fan with rioting in the streets will simply pack there bags and move to another country and wash there hands of the mess they created.
"Conditions must be pretty dreadful at home if a cave in Stockport is a step up the housing ladder" ...Absolutely priceless, ive spat coffee all over my keyboard.
Just show some balls and don't let them here. It is not rocket science.
And they tell us the EU & immigration is a good thing for the UK!!!
In the States we have the same problem with Mexican economic refugees. Romania was part of the East Bloc so long that this slum looks better than what they fled. Plus which I don't think their government subsidizes idleness like Obama does over here and your government does over there. On top of that, our immigrants(lawful and otherwise) tend to vote Democrat, as I'm sure this lot illegally votes Labour.
I am sick and tired of hearing about everything being racist this and racist that.
So what are they doing about his fish thefts?
A bit of communication could do magic, if someone wants to take a fish with them than try to encourage them to go fishing in the sea. Instead of harassing try to educate that in UK not taking the fish is a habit and general rule.
Look, its the pro-doscrimination crowd. Fighting for their right to judge people based on their nationailty! Its funny really.
My ten-year-old was astonished and shocked to see it.¿ -- Yeah, that's believable, a 10 year old boy shocked and astonished, absolute rubbish!
"my 10 year old was shocked to see it"..get a grip...i think you lie....
Surely it's against their Human Rights NOT to have it translated in to umpteen languages at, as usual, massive expense to us?
Reminds me of the "No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish" signs you used to see in pubs years ago. Disgusting attitude. I thought we were passed this
The guy is Racist. Should get the good lesson.
I'm not at all surprised by this. It seems that today the police's main concern is to stay within ridiculous PC guidelines rather than catch the criminals who are stealing this mans property. What a joke.
This word racist is so ridiculously overused - and wrongly used for that matter. Most Eastern Europeans are exactly the same race as the so-called 'White British.' is not that they are a different race that is a problem but the fact that they have an entirely different culture.
FGS stop using the word racist if anything its discrimination.
It's his land, he should be able to do whatever he wants with it.
These labels are flung around so casually by the left and they are never held to explain or justify them. In the current almost hysterical climate of being "offense averse" the mere labelling of someone as racist or fascist or homophobic or islamophobic is often enough to stifle all further discussion. But those using these labels should be called upon to explain and justify them. In this case the man in question has been labelled by some correspondents as racist, some even calling for him to be prosecuted. The sign specified "East Europeans" so is "East European" accepted as a racial or ethnic grouping? If so into what category does it fall? Is it some previously unidentified subset of the Slavic races? But not all east Europeans are Slavic etc etc. The absurd example is to call anti Islamic comments as racist, as one of the boasts of Islam is that it has followers of all races. Hold those who use such labels to account and demand they explain their (mis)use of them.
It's a wonder the Police didn't trip over their size twelves and claim compensation.
Blame the inertia of the police.
Plenty of fishermen catch and remove the carp from fishing lakes here in France. And most of those are French and NOT from Eastern Europe. There are rules about the size of fish which can be taken, but many just ignore those. We also caught some French men wading in the river on OUR property. They were catching fish with their hands by shooing them into the banks prior to stealing them. So people of all nationalities can be capable of the same crime. That is why this gentleman's sign cannot be correct, as it generalises about ALL members of a particular nationality or ethnic group.
How can this be a racist hate crime? It's not racist, it's technically xenophobia which isn't racist. Obviously plod hasn't anything better to do. I'd have to told plod where to go
Last time I looked east Europeans were indeed Europeans, like me. So how can it be a race crime when we are the same race? Nationality does not equate to a different race. I'm sick of this utter frivolous nonsense by the police. Did one of them try to sue him too? Go and catch the fish thieves.
"call the police"? .....hahahahahaha... Bad idea cartier! He'll be arrested and taken away for his non PC opinion and then all the fish will be stolen in his absence. For those who feel this man is wrong about who is sealing his fish I would like to point out that as a rule the British have never been Carp eaters even though carp have been available here for years. Carp, however are most definitely on the menu in Eastern Europe. Carp and chips.... no thanks. Glen .... Southampton.
At the end of the day it is his fishing lake, he owns it, he bought it, he runs it. If he knows or sees or hears that Americans (for example) are stealing his fish he is entitled to ban Americans from fishing at his lake.
Since when have eastern Europeans been another race? Same as when the police say having a go at Islam is racist, no it's not. Islam is a religion not a race of people.
This is a typical example of discrimination against nationality. Website says ''Fishing at Dog Lane is available to anyone with a valid EA Licence and who purchases a Day Ticket''. I he want to ban fishing he would have to do it for everyone not just for his chosen group of people. Just wonder what is going to happen when ,great-grandfather Eddie Whitehead , will need an emergency ambulance and it will arrive with Eastern European doctor on board!
is there any real news in this paper today? or any day for that matter.
Ha Ha, Call the Police, it will take them forever to respond, if they respond at all, to busy filling in bail forms for Burglers, and robbers.
Well as I see it if he owns the property then he is entitled to say who may and who may not enter
Maybe he should put a sign up to the effect "No Entry to people who haven't lived in the area for three years or more" and turn a blind eye to the British who haven't. That should keep the great British Police force off his back.
A sign saying "No Carp Stealing" would have been more appropriate. Then again, that would probably be fish-ist.
Funny, on one hand, but then again, how does he know who is from Eastern Europe and who isn't? Many people over here look pretty much the same as the English do, you know? If I sat down on the bench, would he just come to me and ask me to ID myself? :D
All anglers have known this for a number of years . Thing is if you say anything your classed as a racist Wake up Britain before its too late I know who I shall be voting for . UKIP SPEAKS MY LANGUAGE And I am nor a racist
eddie whitehead your not breaking the law for stopping them from fishing if its your private property.your in the same situation when a landowner stopped them fishing on his lake in oxfordshire and cleaned out all the fish in it 'you are in your right to put the sign up..and have who you want to fish in it, .
No dogs, No Irish, No blacks... and now No Eastern Europeans. I suppose Mr Eddie never leaves UK as he is gravely scared of any non British people. P.S. If he is rich enough to own a fishing lake he should invest in fence.
Why not write a country? Eastern Europe is big with many countries. Not every Eastern European countries people are bad and steal. Some do have laws about fishing. I know that in Slovenia it is not allowed to fish in lakes and rivers without a licence. You're not even allowed to throw a bait, catch a fish and release it. It's stupid to post a sign like that. It's as if in Greece they would put a sign in a street "No western Europeans" because British teens drink en mass and cause havoc.
"He Claims" so, trial by media and guilty!
Send the European anglers to Australia for fishing trips. Carp here are in plague proportions that's big fish, fish not sprats. Imagine all the carp you can eat all in the freezer on the return trip. Its illegal to return carp caught back to the water. i remember Menindee lakes, carcases along the bank!!!!
Fair play to the bloke fish stealing is rife since we had mass immigration forced upon us! why shouldn't he ban them? Anyone who goes fishing knows how bad its getting. The swans are going missing as well! The loony lefties need to wake up!
All you PC lovies can whine as much as you like it being racist and how it's not the fault of eastern Europeans, but as I am married to a Pole I will tell you something. It most certainly IS eastern Europeans stealing his fish. No one in Britain has eaten carp or pike since the dark ages. In fact, it is very difficult to buy here because of this. But my other half loves it, especially carp at festive times like Christmas. Big carp in a fishery are expensive. Some are worth thousands of pounds!! And that's not counting the revenue that people knowing you have big fish to catch will bring - £20 a day to sit by a high quality lake and fish down here in the south. The police will inevitably do nothing at all to help this guy. They would stand by and defend the 'Uman Rites of the criminals rather than prosecute them as thieves. So what choice does he have? Putting up a sign saying "pretty please don't eat my fish" in as many languages as you like will do nothing.
obvious racism and hope he has his bag packed and ready for a few days in chokie , unless it`s removed pronto............- thommo , solihull, 10/4/2013 please tell me you are planning to emigrate very soon, over the top PC people like you have ruined this country. I am an angler and some Eastern Europeans are a problem as coarse fish are part of their diet and they see it as a free meal.
Considering the plethora of laws you Brits have....I'm surprised you don't have one about promoting hatred!
a passer by was shocked when he saw the sign all i can say is go get a life
More power to your elbow mate.
In my country he would get a FAT fine and would be excluded from community.
I am sure they are Eastern Europeans', Mr. Whitehead says. Presuming the thieves work during daylight, he must be very good at recognizing what country people are from. If he bases this on seeing them at night, then it is again perfectly clear what he sees: nothing. Even he admits he has no evidence about the ethnic background of whoever is stealing his fish! He adds: 'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans. I've had no problems with people from other countries.' Well, Eastern Europe is not a country, it is a region, so he has had no problems with people from other countries, even those in Eastern Europe. BTW, most countries, even East European ones have laws on fishing, stipulating which fish can be kept or which must be put back in the water. Red arrows, please! - kate, austria, 10/4/2013 17:27 Thanks God continental europe has more intelligent people. I think only frustrated people could give you red arrows .
I am British and I hate Britain, does that make me a racist?
I got red arrowed for my comment, but was not surprised. Strange that just a few people have said this man, instead of putting up signs, should install CCTV, ask police to patrol the area more frequently, or put up a fence and instead of searching vehicles that leave (can he do that legally?), he should charge a fee for entry on his private property and fishing there, if it's his livelihood and investment at stake. Far fewer people would go there, and hardly any to steal fish, irrespective of which country they come from.
come and live in boston,i dont think we have any fish or ducks left
The only people I ever see fishing the River Trent during the close season are all eastern europeans. They do take pike for the pot. They also plead ignorance of our fisheries byelaws. I'm not surprised he's put the sign up, makes things simple ad straightforward.
good for him, i would do the same thing too,
" you don't expect to see this ignorant, racist kind of thing"----------Funny how often people who stick ignorant and racist together in a sentence are themselves ignorant about what racism (or race) is. If he'd put up a sign saying "no people with shaved heads", would that be ignorant and racist too?
"Reminds me of the no Jews signs I read about before the Germans start throwing them in Ovens... - Andy , Kingston, 10/4/2013 15:49

Reminds me of signs that say ""no tresspassing"" or ""only 4 children in the shop"" or ""no poaching"" ""no admittance to people with dirty boots"". It is nothing to do with the holocaust and it is offensive to hijack that awful offence for something completely different."
I totally support the chap, my local river as been plundered by Eastern Europeans, and yes i have proof, i've seen them with my own eyes. Carp apparently is a favoured dish in Eastern Europe so naturally they are going to raid our rivers and lakes, thats the problem with multiculturism, they bring their own culture over with them and as you should know, you complain and you're branded a 'waycist'.
Nice one......
If people want to live in the UK then they should abide by UK laws and not their own!
It's private property and as such he can refuse entry to whoever he likes.
What people need to understand is that fish caught from fisheries of this nature are always returned alive. People pay for the right to catch fish maybe take a photo of their catch, thats it. People from eastern europe find this mind-set incomprehensible, you go fishing and eat what you catch. The same problem has been experianced in our inner city park lakes but doesnt stop at fish as the diminishing swan population will testify. So I feel Eddie Whitehead is perfectly within his rights to ban whomever he likes from his water and simply trying to protect his busnes and people crying out about racism need to have a long hard honest look at the situation.
This man is pefectly right!!!!
Since he owns the property, close the lake to everone. Problem solved.
Nice to see all the leftist out in force - ooohhh it's racist... What utter twaddle? We used to have swans near where i live, that is until certain people killed them and ate them..
East Europeans are white caucasians same as the pond owner and therefore cannot be racist ? His sign should have read " no white people" and therefore everyone would be happy and say nothing ?
Perhaps ' no stealing fish' would be better. After all no one has been caught
I felt badly reading this. I am Polish sometimes visiting your country, never fishing neither here nor there. Will I be checked and brought to police if I go for a walk there by accident? I assure you, that fishing without permission is strictly forbidden in Poland. Simply if you fish you have to have a valid document of fisher's union and never ever do it outside places where it's allowed. Of course we have poachers. But they are prosecuted like in any other country. Let me know why oh why don't you find this note racist? Because I am the same race as you are? Which race of Britons do you mean? If it's not racist, probably it's pure linguistics, but still not fair. Civilised owner would write "no fishing", " thieves will be prosecuted" or something like this. That's a shame.
Stop 'carping' on and install security cameras round the lake?
I do have a certain sympathy with him. A local charity has a fishing lake for disadvantaged children and they have restocked it twice. They did catch two thieves and yes they were Polish, they'd come off the farms nearby. Think the wages are so low they have to find alternative ways of eating.
Good for him.
Good luck mate I banned Eastern Europeans off my lake a few years back,the ban is still on they didn't have the bottle to take me to court. Stick with it. Tony @ Trentside fishery Grimsby
His lake, his rules . It is happening all over the country. Swans are also being shot and eaten . Do you think that British people are doing that ? Maybe CCTV would help ?
Serves him right, making money off living creatures. He's not worried about the fish's welfare/livlihood when he sells them, is he?
What a nice bloke
Even the DM notes that there's no evidence whatsoever that it's Eastern Europeans. The fish are probably dying after looking at that miserable owner's face.
This has been going on for years. My Polish next door neighbour has two pike heads nailed to the door of his shed. Bizarrely it's still legal to take fish from rivers (never met a fisherman who agrees with it) if of a certain size/number but taking anything other than those allowed is an offence. Fish can only be taken from still waters with written permission of the owner or club. He should check rod licences and report any who do not have one to the EA hotline immediately. More chance of them getting a £2.5k fine for no licence than taking his fish sadly. Just another culture clash.
Well, yes, in Eastern European cultures there are such practices, it's cultural matter, someone that goes fishing can take home some fish for the table but within a decent limit and only if he/she has a fishing permit. Plus you cannot fish any time you like to - this is somehow restricted by law, when it is time for fish to lay eggs fishing is forbidden, and people that do so in such periods are fined. So don't imagine that things happen just like that, nature is protected, and so are fish species. And true fishermen always respect that. Nevertheless such unhappy events take place, you could ask police to interfere and solve the problem no matter nationality and problem is solved faster than showing off announces that could only instigate and develop felings of hate between people no matter their nationality. There more decent ways to solve such problems but this means to take some social responsibility as well.
Look, they were caught red handed at my local fishery and suddenly they all stopped going because the owner decided to watch them all. No chance of fish? No chance of them bothering to fish was the result
The East European Race that's a new one.
The usual suspect blamed by fishing lake owners for disappearing fish is an otter followed by calls to kill all local otters. Perhaps he should get some security cameras to determine the fish taker. Claim for losses caused by "unseen" thieves can be made on insurance but unless he has a good policy otter loses are not covered.
We need to ensure that we are not violating their human rights in any way.
It is not racist. It is culturalist. It is recognition that cultural differences and attitudes can affect how well people blend with each other.
Forget the rest of the story. This is racist and its clearly illegal. I trust the DM have reported this to the police and handed in the evidence?
'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans', Mr. Whitehead says. Presuming the thieves work during daylight, he must be very good at recognizing what country people are from. If he bases this on seeing them at night, then it is again perfectly clear what he sees: nothing. Even he admits he has no evidence about the ethnic background of whoever is stealing his fish! He adds: 'I am sure they are Eastern Europeans. I've had no problems with people from other countries.' Well, Eastern Europe is not a country, it is a region, so he has had no problems with people from other countries, even those in Eastern Europe. BTW, most countries, even East European ones have laws on fishing, stipulating which fish can be kept or which must be put back in the water. Red arrows, please!
How can the sign be racist? It doesn't mention any race. If anything, it's East European-ist. As for calling the police - they'd only be interested if the fish were exceeding the speed limit or parked on yellow lines.
As an Eastern European I hate to read/hear such stories. How desperate do you have to be to steal someones fish from a pond to eat it?! I mean people keep fish they catch in Poland if they pay some licence or something. But that's in Poland and here is Britain but some clearly don't care.
obvious racism and hope he has his bag packed and ready for a few days in chokie , unless it`s removed pronto..............
"Nothing racist" reminds me of Apartheid-signs "White people only" or Nazi discrimination "Not for Jews" with similar explanations. Nip things in the bud!
Goo on yer mate.
I am Eastern European, working in the UK for 9 years, currently completing my PhD and looking forward to become an academic. I am not a scam, I don't claim benefits, don't smuggle cigarettes, don't steal fish etc! Can you please stop harassing me! It is absolutely ridiculous to pick on Eastern Europeans all the time without any reason. British people commit crimes, drink excessively, steal things (like my coat last week in the nightclub) so they are ALSO not perfect. What I recently observe in the media is an unprecedented attack on people who practically share the same values as British and I simply cannot understand all the hate towards us. There are so many minorities in the UK and only Eastern Europeans are targeted by the campaign full of prejudice and very full of lies.
he doesn't know the ethnicity of the fish thieves, it could be anyone struggling with trying to pay their bedroom tax and increase in council tax payments.
In Ireland , their at it whole time, the amount of Pike { a protected species} taken is giving cause for concern ,,THe Dept of Fisheries is fighting a silent battle with them , I wonder what would happen if irish people went to Eastern Europe and broke the law , ???????????
hahaha hilarious
Illegal. Simple as that.
Prove who it is before making these ridiculous signs!
..its about time someone told it as it is.. add to his missing fish, half the swans in london parks have vanished..& where we live cats are disappearing at an alarming rate!..lets face facts. its not racist or "not pc" but if you take a few thousand people used to a certain way of life where struggle, hardship & hungers an everyday thing then let them enter a country like the uk, these things are bound to happen & a lot worse..a lot lot worse I fear when our bulgarian cousins come over in droves...
Problem is if he does report it to the Police they will be too scared of being branded racists themselves or even too inept to do anything about it. This guy can't win as the law favours the criminal and not the OWNER
Don't fall for the lefty claptrap; an Englishman's home etc - and that includes his lake. Personally I'd have attack dogs patrolling the grounds. Hurrah for UKIP! - CaptainGinger, Islington, 10/4/2013 12:17 ================================================================================================== Your ukip world doesn't sound very enticing
How can it be racist when East Europeans are the same caucasian race as the English? Unless of course Mr Whitehead is of African or East Asian descent and the man in the photo is just a stand-in?
They are taking fish all over the Fens as well.
Remind me how fishing works. This is a fishery right. Are you actually supposed to put the fish back? So they get caught repeatedly? That seems wrong to me, I assumed people went fishing to catch fish, take them home and eat them
Yet again a British citizen in his own back yard says it how it is and the left wing brigade come out in force. Its thanks to these left wing do gooders that this country is in the state it is.
Put up a sign "Private Property" trespassers will be shot!
He may be right but a sign saying "Don't steal the fish" and install CCTV (it is relatively cheap now) would be more effective. - Nini, London, United Kingdom, 10/4/2013 11:44..................Yeah right. That would work. These people are unlikely to get caught and if they are nothing happens to them. His best bet is to lawfully treat his fish with fungicide to kill white spot and put a sign up warning that the fish are inedible.
"One walker passing by said: 'It's bizarre, backward and racist. It's the sort of thing you're shocked to see in this day and age." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes shocking - if you've been indoctrinated by the liberal-left elite and the BBC. Can one get a degree in "Being Shocked" these days? His land, his lake his fish...
This is akin to placing a sign saying, "No Dogs or Indians allowed" during the Raj or "No Black, No Dogs, No Irish" sign during the 70s from a potential landlord in UK. But then what more can we expect from the descendant of colonialist !!! No wonder, Britain's today's generation's suffering due to the ill-deeds of their ancestors, across the globe.
If people want to live in our country they should live by our rules or leave. Simple.
Good for him
Bravo! The sign is absolutely spot-on, I am a bailiff on a local water and every time we catch people stealing specimen fish from our waters they are ALL from Eastern Europe.
Its a big problem. Someone netted my lake and stole the carp too...I haven't bothered to replace them.
How about notice on a pub entrance door in Krakow - 'No Stag Parties'. Guess why did they put it there?
he put up a sign, big deal. I get the looks clearly saying I'm not welcome even though I don't steal anyone's fish ;)
its not RACIST its the TRUTH. we have the same problem near us. the eastern europeans dont put the fish back. they take them home to eat. the same goes for the wildfoul that live on the lake ;they seem to like graylag geese and swans.
To be fair we all know who takes the carp and who eats all the swans etc, but we are not allowed to tell the truth anymore. We need politicans with the balls (no I don't mean that idiot Ed) to do something about this country although I fear it may already be too late.
I,m forced to eat Carp at xmas in Poland,, its foul
Good man!
His campsite must be like Fawlty Towers with tents.
The sign is as distasteful as the fish.
"They've obviously had problems with people taking fish, judging by the other signs they've put up. But you don't expect to see this ignorant, racist kind of thing." Some people really are terminally confused in their own heads. He accepts they've been taking fish and accepts it's wrong then criticises the sign singling them out because they've been deliberately doing wrong by taking the fish. I really wonder how these "right-on" individuals can operate without their brains exploding because of their inconsistent thought processes.
I'd sue him!
No different to the petrol stations in Bradford with "Asian Taxi Drivers Only" signs.
A sign won't stop the fish from being stolen.
No doubt he'll get life imprisonment yet if some loony lefty or vengeful immigrant attacked him they'd get community service.
Good for him !! These people killed a beautiful swan on my local river and left the mate devastated, her pain was so clear to see, she just floated on the water with her head diwn and there was NOTHING I could do. It killed me ......
Protesting about Eastern European's eating freshly stocked fish is racist? Burn the witch, stone him, duck him... ooops that was for heresy wasn't it? Ahem... Socially exclude the racist, sack him, fine him, jail him!
I personally prefer to blame the Swiss.
Why are all of the logical comments being thumbed down? This is the wrong way to handle the situation, and quite frankly it's reminiscent of the segregation days "No blacks, No dogs, No Irish" Hmm Just when you think progress has been made in society.
if it ain,t nailed down that will get nicked as well
Its not rasist, he's just defending his livelihood. Its a fact that certain easten europeans are stealing thousands of pounds of carp and pike from fisherys all around the UK. They have even been caught draining sections of the grand union canals all around hertfordshire, damaging boats in the process so 15 - 20 indeviduals can net all the carp and pike in the section without the hastle of fishing for them. somthing has to be done before stocks are decimated all over the country.
Good for him!
I know of a fishery very close to this one, the game keeper has to search their bags and often finds fish in them. They are then made to pay. Feel sorry for the bloke, trying to make an honest living.
This man is just trying to protect his livelihood. A widepread problem, as with the two swans shot by, probably, police believe, an E European man on the River Avon in Dorset recently.
Of the revenue from our annual fishing licence, we now have a great deal of it spent on policing waters from eastern Europeans plundering our fish stocks. The wildfowl suffer too. I have lost count of the times I've fished places where passers by tell us of eastern Europeans who've cleaned the place out - often with nets. This problem is rife, everybody knows it and serious action needs to be taken. I have heard of people taking the law into their own hands - this man has been driven to this and deserves support, not criticism.
Your comments:Doesn't he look a nice chappy....not!
That man is only rascist when politicians and police toke action when they fish all places empty. BUT.. this man and ALL EU citicens are on their own in the battle against the lots of eastern europians because they play the game by differant rules. (not all) This man is RIGHT. In the Netherlands where i live there isnt a SINGLE fish in lakes or rivers because those eastern europians have differant morals and dont leave any fish for others or think about nature. So the goverment in all EU are overruled by action like this man that takes action because his goverment has let him down Where else would this man turn to if he didnt take action himself???? (obviously police let him down!). In the past there were rules and morals that were respected by natives,but others dont care about those rules,if you dont know what i mean you have not been in WEST EU the last 15 years.
What next no Irish or no Jews? This man has an evil heart it reminds me of the old days when people used to use divide and conquer tactics to keep us all apart.
Why are the british so racist?
I've fished a river opposite an eastern European chap three years ago, I watched him over the five hours put everything he caught into a plastic bag and then walk away with all sorts of species of fish. Now that same river it would take you a week to fill the bag as there are no fish left. SO GOOD ON HIM!
his lake, his rules..
He has put this sign up cause its true, i seen it first hand when taking dogs for walk, me and others have seen eastern europeans taking fish from our local fishing lakes, i know they are cause you hear them talking to each other, normally gangs of at least 3-5, we report it but nothing ever gets done, if you speak to them they either claim to not speak english or not understand, also swans have been killed and taken.
Poor guy doesn't know what he's let himself in for, when the PC brigade get through with him he will be putting up a sign asking if the fish thieves would like him to supply chips free of charge with their stolen fish, said sign will have to be in twenty eight different languages of course !
To all of you simpletons out there. How can it be racist, eastern europeans are the same race as most of us, They are just a different nationality. Racism is about race and not nationality, do try and understand that simple fact. Another simple fact is that virtually all people who have been caught stealing carp and, here in Lincoln, killing our treasured swans have been eastern europeans. It is a huge problem.
Easy for the people who are criticising him but perhaps they would like to finance the ongoing restocking of fish instead? I'm sure once they were the ones who had to pay for it they wouldn't have such open minded ideas.
I feel sorry for that the bloke is having his stocks plundered - but wouldn't it make more sense to have invested the money on security (CCTV etc.) instead of putting up an ineffective and frankly ignorant sign? - I guess tarring several million people from a dozen different nations with the same brush makes him feel better
You will find too that swans, ducks and geese have been disappearng from our lakes, rivers and canals
"call the police"??.....hahahahahaha....good idea!
I remember in the 1980's the Irish blaming the German's for fishing all the pike from their lakes and rivers. In a number of cases it turned out to be local people as they could sell them on to the restaurants that were looking to add them to their menu's to make a few bob from German diners. Who should we blame in this case I wonder?
Something fishy going on here....................
Nothing racist about that sign, eastern Europeans are the same race as him.
There is a lot of truth in what this fishery owner is saying. Across the whole country people are reporting the same thing where fish levels are declining because Eastern Europeans, who seem to think it¿s normal behaviour, are actually taking their catches home to eat! Probably because they can¿t afford to buy fish due to their low incomes because they come over here and take all the jobs by undercutting British workers and then send home their money home which in their country is a huge amount. These people don¿t integrate and don¿t contribute. How can they when they send all their money home. But you¿re not allowed to say this as you are then branded a racist or a bigot by the looney left and all those doo gooders who live ion a bubble.
The thing is in England(and a few other countries) we corse fish for fun but the eastern europeans (and others) fish for food so they take every thing home and a lot of the time its to small too i have seen it my self, i know a lot of lakes in Poland have been fished out because of this,its a cultural thing we don't eat so much fresh water fish in the uk but in most of Europe they do,its a shame because it will ruin the fishing for everyone.
The owners obviously have forgotten that this is no longer the country of FREE SPEECH, and you are only allowed to say what our leaders allow you to say despite, WHAT YOU THINK.
There is a clash of cultures here. In the UK and across western Europe it is normal to catch fish as a hobby or indeed a sport and then put them back into the water for someone else to try and catch. Unfortunately though the same rules of engagement don¿t seem to apply to Eastern Europeans as in their culture it is normal to catch fish and take them home to eat. Once again we see here someone objecting to the ways of a foreign culture and in doing so being branded a racists by the loony left and all the doo gooders ¿ probably the same ones who celebrate when a famous old lady dies.
This can't be racism as being 'Eastern European' is not classed as a race. Discrimination, yes but his lake/land his rules. Good luck to him.
It was reported a few weeks ago that Eastern Europeans were stealing fish stocks. I don't blame him at all.
i live in southern spain and when the eastern europeans arrived here we noticed that they were indeed catching the carp and taking them away to eat, on one day i counted 18 men each with an average of 6 carp in there buckets, wen i asked if they had the correct fishing licence they laughed at me and informed me that the spanish police did not bother them as it was to much hassle to get interperators etc, yet they will prosecute Spanish and English anglers (who do not take the fish away), i asked if they live nearby and was told no, they had come down from Malaga way, i asked why they didnt fish up that way, there reply was "because there are no fish left", make of that what you will.................................
saying what a lot of others are thinking but too weak and feeble minded to voice..............
The eastern europeans were caught stealing swans in ireland
Big deal, he put up a sign. Most people just give me looks as if I'm not welcome every single day even though speak clear English as well as other 3 languages, been here nearly 10 years and respect everything to do with British Culture. Just the fast that I sometimes speak in my own language on the street when I'm on my phone with my family is enough for me to be a victim of racial comments.
There need to be many dedicated fisheries where the idea is to kill and eat the fish. sports anglers can have their waters, those with more of a hunter-gatherer take on life can have theirs. This is not solely the domain of eastern Europeans - any time I catch a decent grayling, trout, pike, zander or perch I knock it on the head and take it home, just as I'd do if I caught something in the sea. note: I'm not breaking any laws. I only do it in waters where kill & keep is permitted. freshwater fish are a relatively untapped resource of tasty, clean and high quality protein and you know exactly what it is, unlike the food you buy at the supermarket.
Swan and Carp is a Eastern European issue, trouble is PC Britain is to afraid to speak out now for fear of arrest, no freedom of speech any longer in the UK. Well done, this man has the backbone to speak out.
Some cultures think Carp is a good fish - Some do not - It is against the law in Australia to throw a carp back - And it is serious. They must be destroyed as vermin who destroy the natural environment of Australian native fish.
Some cultures think Carp is a good fish - Some do not - It is against the law in Australia to throw a carp back - And it is serious. They must be destroyed as vermin who destroy the natural environment of Australian native fish.
Not many ducks on the pond in the park Christmas Day,seemed a bit odd.
Hahahahahaah he presumes they`re Eastern Europeans but cannot prove it....right.......what this guy needs its a fine and never ever be allowed to put racist signs in public again. I mean he even looks like the classic old mumbling guy with nothing better to do. Did he counted the fish to see if they`re all missing????
What makes more sense, the age old tradition of catching fish to feed themselves or repeatedly torturing them by ripping their mouths apart then throwing them back ?
Funny how everyone gets up in arms about someone trying to save his livelihood, these same people say nothing about Behead those how insult Islam posters, funny world, hand wringers protecting everyone in the world except their own countrymen
And the ducks!
So I can still steal his fish?
Good luck to him.
Eddie Whitehead for President !!!
I'm Eastern European and unfortunately the poor man has a point and I understand his frustration.
It's his land, his lake, his fish, his bench and he can do what he likes with all of them!
How does he know the fish are missing when he hasn'r seen any go?
you aught to see the signs that go up in windows out side of the UK. i live in the gulf, where landlords state things like - asians only! no men allowed. the first thing that gets asked on your CV is your age. the UK is alone in thinking PC is a good thing. elsewehere, racism is rife, and as brits are keen not to upset, its seen as weekness, that is pushed and pushed because it can be.
Boris Johnson keeps saying all English people are lazy, whats the difference
The man has his own rights to put up what he wants on his property. Just like the TV, if you do not like what you see then move on to somewhere else.
Sorry mate, some thieves don't read so well!
Thanks Blair!
Never mind the fish, someone should prosecute this guy for racism.
I have seen Romanians keep the carp they caught, but we can't say that can we?
Don't fall for the lefty claptrap; an Englishman's home etc - and that includes his lake. Personally I'd have attack dogs patrolling the grounds. Hurrah for UKIP!
its not racist, at worst not actually PC but racist? The English, Scots, Welsh do not (normally) eat freshwater fish - however Eastern Europeans do fish for, cook and eat freshwater fish, that is a fact. If since Eastern Europeans started fishing his water and fish have gone missing its not much of a stretch to figure out where they are going and do something to protect his livelihood. This is not the first story of this nature, just possibly one where someone is actually doing something about it.
Oh for the good old days when the sign read tresspassers will be shot.the land belongs to mr whitehead.
I do not blame him they need to be aware its a business not a charity for free fish , Eastern Europeans should be given details when they arrive that our rules regarding wildlife in the UK is diffrent than in their countries, they are responsible for killing swans also the crime rate as increase since we let them in, we need the policy of comitt a crime and you will be sent back home
Doubt they'll be able to read that
Well done that Man....
The Environment Agency has acknowledged a problem with certain sections of Eastern Europeans stealing fish from lakes so why has this man been accused of racism for simply wanting to protect his livelihood. Unfortunately a minority have ruined it for the majority but to attack Mr Whitehead for the sign is unjust.
love it
That was a heron more likely
this guy is asking for trouble
At last one fighting back for his own.
Not racist at all, but could have switched it the other way: respect British laws.
Good for him
I would shake his hand.
He may be right but a sign saying "Don't steal the fish" and install CCTV (it is relatively cheap now) would be more effective.
If he suspects that it is people from eastern Europe, he could just put up a sign in several languages saying something along the lines of anyone caught stealing will be prosecuted and that he has cctv. Simple and not illegal.
'in't that racialist?
Carp is a delicacy in some Eastern European countries - but it's not got a great taste.
imagine what would happen if his notice said "No Jews" ?
Pure racism, no two ways about it
No he is not being racist. We all know who likes to eat carp and it`s not the British.
His lake... His property... END OF...
Eastern Europeans eat carp as a delicacy, as did the English in Medieval Times. The sign is DISTASTEFUL and ILL ADVISED, but I know in other sections of the media 'Polish lorry drivers' have been accused of stealing carp for their tea. I hope the fishery owner CATCHES THE REAL CULPRITS SOON. THEN PUNISHES THEM.
How many more computer bugs will be needed to rid ourselves of the EU. Mr. Cameron all you need to do to walk the next election is state that the British Electorate have a vote whether to stay in or out. He knows what the answers going to be and so do all the parasites. This nation is on the brink and irrespective of what the Labour pack of yes people say it is getting nearer the day when the populace have their say. Mr. Cameron be under no illusion we want positive action
Theres only one party that will put a stop to all this and you know it
Reply to Amy Bath, This would happen whatever party was in power they are all tarred with the same brush
<< Crime is probably accounting for most of the 3million jobs said to depend on the EU. The rest are the bureaucrats. - Avril King, Poole, 14/9/2009 10:34 >> Is there any difference??
<< I don't want to know what Joe Public thinks of all this, I want to know what the Prime Minister's views are!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Alan, Alnwick, 14/9/2009 10:02 >> He's still waiting for Mandelson to tell him.
the only party that will stop this is the BNP, but I bet you all continue to vote Lib Lab Con. Like the sheep you are.
Wouldn't let the Ghurkas settle in this country yet any body from the east of Europe no problem. Enough reasons to bail out of the EU catastrophy and ditch this New Labour shambles in the process.
Oh the benefits of unrestricted mass immigration!
I'm Slovakian and have been living in UK 6 years. I have got full time job, pay tax and don't claim any benefits here. i have benn studying english and work hard to become part of the community. I'm sorry to read that Slovakian ai England are part of mafia or sort of. All my slovakian friend in England work and don't do any crime.
By reading those comments, I am a bit confused whether we are reading the same article. Is this about an immigration or a scam? It could also have been committed by English/British people!!! Let's not forget about the crimes committed by British abroad (e.g. lawyer friends claiming an insurance of 'stolen things' in south america, british teenagers smuggling drugs etc The thing is when British commit s the crime 'the government is ready to go and 'rescue' them from their punishment....Not all nations have 'this privilige' ....
Would'nt let the Ghurkas settle in this country yet any body from eastern Europe with the a--e hanging out of their trousers can enter no problem .Good reasons to bail out of this EU catastrophe and ditch this New Labour shambles in the process.
Cassandra from Nottingham, you were doing so well until you appologised for being 'un-PC' that's where all the problems stemmed from! The PC band wagon has caused us to be scared of raising an eyebrow, let alone our voice in support of OUR opinions and standing up for OUR human rights, bugger anyone who doesn't or hasn't paid into OUR tax and health systems! Send them home to face what's coming to them!
Of the 34 arrested on Friday, all have since been released, with four on bail and facing charges of swindling within an organised gang. I'm confident that the four given bail will turn up at Court at the appointed time for their trial.
I'm at a bit of a loss to understand from Madge in France just what David Cameron has to do with this scam. Its has nothing to do with the government and as much as I'd like to say it, not even Gordon Brown is responsible for elements of this scam. This is purely a banking issue where the profits of banks comes ahead of adequate security measures. Chip n Pin technology enabled this sort of scam just as labours ID card idea would make people far more vulnerable to ID theft once the codes are cracked. Whilst the losses through scams to the banks remain below a certain percentage, banks accept it as the cost of doing business even if it causes major problems for their clients.
Whoops spoke to soon!
Every country has its criminal element and it matters not one jot where this bunch originated from!! Incidently, its largely because of the EU that we got a lot of our criminals back from Spain to 'do their time', rather than swan round the Costa Brava for the rest of their lives. I don't remember people then talking about how we must "get out of the EU"!!!
I dont see these guys as any more criminal than the banks. All these guys are doing is participating in the banking industry. Thievery, deceit etc. Whats the difference.
I wonder if those wanting all immigrants kicked out of Britain are the same people who think they should be allowed to park on private land without consequence.
This is why people are voting BNP - the only party interested in keeping Britain British.
More evidence that this country is stuffed to the gunwhales with slimy crooks, gangsters, and our own feral cretins. And as someone has already said.nothing will be done to deport this trash. They'll be allowed to stay, get a severe ticking off and left to run riot once more while claiming (fraudulent levels?) of benefits. Soon this country willbe without any thinking , sensible Brits and populated by the dross and deadbeats of the world.
To Mark of Barcelona, living here (look it up) I can assure you that a lot of Germans now say that they would gladly have the wall back up. I remember the first weeks when the wall came down and the "Ossies" came visiting. The "Westies" gave them all 200 D-marks, with no questions asked, "Welcome Money" they only had to go to any Bank or Post office with a DDR passport. Didn't take them long to realise there were no controls and they made repeated visits to various banks etc each time getting another "Welcome". We (W. German taxpayers) are still paying for them in a "Solidaritaets Beitrag" (Look it up).
Bring in the BNP. Stands for British National Party. Their the ones who can sort this country out and please do not say they are rasist. We are British so we vote for our British party.
As that ideot Brown keeps telling us we need them.
The comments here are too be expected (as is the ensuing red arrows I guess). These are criminals and poor people being easily led. There's no reason to suspect that British Nationals offered the chance of free cash, wouldn't have done the same thing. It's the fault of organised criminals not a governments immigration policy. The government has no responsibility for a bank's awful IT infrastructure!
Have not read the article but am happy to see Barclays have been robbed!
Another reason to vote ukip!
We have been ruined by these armies of foreign scroungers and criminals...out of Europe now..vote Bnp,that is what i will do if Cameron doesnt stop the terrible tragedy Labour has allowed to our country!!
The Sloivakians seeme to have learnded great lessons from the directors of the banking institutions..They have been robbing the banks for years ....A pity our law enforcement has not been as swift to put the lot of them in handcuffs....including Godwin who brought his bank to its knees and does not have to rob an ATM machine to pocket his illgotten gains...The tax payer,yoiu and me , take good care of him...His reward for greed and incompetance....and still in bed with HRH Charles and his chairities..
When you look at the overall amount taken it is hardly a fraud of any note. It not even a tenth of the bonus of an ordinary banker. Its more the embarrassment for the bank that counts.
Why are they out? So they can continue scamming?
When I was involved with Immigration enforcement work I regularly (nearly always) found that immigration offenders had credit cards, sometimes with high credit limits even though they were not permitted to work in the UK. Even when I informed the Card issuers that the holders were here illegally and due to be removed to their own countries I was rarely asked to confiscate the credit cards. Presumably the holders could then spend up to the limits in other countries. I doubt they paid off the cards. Banks appear to fall over themselves to give credit and have only themselves to blame for such losses.
if it was an arab country theyd be executed over here they might send them to a holiday camp
'Of the 34 arrested on Friday, all have since been released, with four on bail and facing charges of swindling within an organised gang. They were travelling in a Porsche Cayenne 4x4 which had arrived from Dover by ferry.' 34 in a Cayenne? Now THAT'S clever...
Amy, Bath: It will happen if the tories get in. The dream for all the politicians is to become a Euro superstate and have a president. Mr Tony Bliar is set up to become the (unelected by the people) President of Europe. They want the power that America has. They don't care about our country or our people. They let all immigrants in (illegal or otherwise) and give them citizienships and let them call themselves "British" and they allow them to vote ..and there is the crux of the matter. English may not vote for labour or tory but all immigrants will vote labour and the EU has told our government we have to take more thousands in, and they will do so because they are gutless. The EU bods must be obeyed. England will be dismanteled and become a region within Europe. There will not be any "Englishness" allowed. Take heed people, this is what will happen.
We need about 25 years of nationalist government. UKIP or BNP, I don't care which. Nationlist in the sense that they will put Britain first and the rest of the world second. Pull up the draw bridge on the incoming and clear out anyone who isn't legally here. In short, clean up the mess that this government has made and then ensure there are adequate controls in place befor elowering the draw bridge again. Britain has been sold out by this and previous governments in the interest of big business and their global ambitions for profit not social justice. All globalisation has done is to allow the criminal classes to roam the global preying on the innocent and corporations to redistribute poverty. This is what New Labour has abandoned the british people to.
Vote BNP... Stop this now..
It's all very well everyone blaming Tony Blair / Gordon Brown / NuLabour / the French / the Turks / the EU / immigration / Elvis Presley / whoever...the bottom line is that if Barclays weren't so stupid that "...unlimited money could be withdrawn from an account, even if there was technically hardly anything in it.", then this wouldn't have happened, would it?
This is one reason i will stay an ex pat!!! Such a shame.
Politicians have alot to answer for when they make decisions with such disasterous consequences. Countries like slovakia and romania were known to have notorious criminal gangs and thieves yet they were still welcomed into the EU. Money from the EU pours into these countries. By living the life of crime, stealing, pickpocketing and receiving benefits etc they send money to their own country and build mansions from the rich pickings they gain from western europe. This was only recently exposed in a documentary on TV.
"engage in its usual money-recovery activities." This means they will fleece it back from their investors.
This type of crime will escalate together with prostitution, the ever increasing drug problem and internet fraud as well as crime of every description. The reason why is that we are subservient to all the petty EU regulations that they throw at us. The three tired old parties are all for the EU and voting for them is voting for more sufferance. The only party that I can see to sort these problems out is the British National Party. Love them or hate them you can see that things are rapidly disintegrating in this country. Ignore them at your peril.
Theft from a bank is a crime! The Slovakian miscreants were caught and they will be hauled up before the beak and be given a severe slap on the wrist. On the other side of the coin, bankers were caught fraudulently emptying the coffers of billions and created an economic recession. For their efforts they were given huge bonuses. It looks like the banks are easy prey for thieves and frauds alike. As an incredible! How long will it be before we are told; "You local bank was robbed today. Therefore £xxx.xx has been deducted from your account to make up the shortfall"
As Tony Bliar said.......We need their skills......
When we agreed to open up our borders, who did they expect to get in, Goldilocks and the tooth fairy? Not with our benefits system ripe for the plucking and the police looking at thought crimes. Not a lot we can do about it really except thro' the ballot box.
'I have been voting Labour since 1997, but this is the only reason I would give my vote to the Tories. The tunnel and the immigration door must be slammed shut.' - Alexandrina, London, 14/9/2009 10:45 Whatever makes you think the Tories will close the borders? This is typical of lifelong NuLav voters who have become disenchanted with Brown and his henchmen. They fall for the BIG LIE that the 'other' Party will be better. Lib/Lav/Con are ONE Party. You can include UKIP also. They are ALL, without exception one hundred per cent committed to taking us into a Federal Europe and destroying the nation state. In fact we are so far into being obliterated as a nation state that, short of a revolution, it is probably too late to recover. The sadness lies in the truth that most of the electorate are ignorant of what is being done. The awakening will be brutal but much too late. Very clever really, the way they've fooled most of the people most of the time.
The Slovakian Government is run by the Mafia, believe it or not! So I, for one, am not surprised. I enjoyed my stay in Slovakia. They are really nice people and they take care of their country. HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When my elderly neighbours were burgled, the Police did not make any arrests. The perpetrator was found in the Danube, having failed his swimming test!........... We know, because a rather sharp little man told us........ The old folks did not get their valuables returned, though...........
How come that a scam using Barclays bank cards suddenly becomes a forum for political debate? How about turning on Barclays and asking them about security against fraud because there's obviously a lot of work to do, regardless of the political party in power!
Tragic that these people are living here in comfort while honest citizens, whose forefathers fought and died in the wars, are struggling to live a decent life. Why do you think house prices are so high? Because of the huge numbers of foreigners like this living in them.
It's not just the Slovaks.Here in Oz we've had a wave of ATM fraud perpetrated by Romanians.
"What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged - cassandra, nottingham, 14/9/2009 09:42" I cant believe that there are people who actually think this.Who are YOU to make such judgements? The dreadful day for us all was when USSR had destroyed Hitler to keep britain free,perhaps we could start from there? If you are not happy being in EU,than vote for the anti-EU party.And forget about the benefits of being a EU citizen.
I've said it before I'll say it again: LIBERALS = ULTIMATE TREASON
Madge Blair, France - Excellent. Totally agree with you...
When will this country get it's head from out of it's backside and realise that the majority of Immigrants, have lived up to now by their wits and by any means possible to simply survive. That means they are Street Wise, don't give a monkeys about the Authorities and will run rings round anybody in this Country, many of whom, quite frankly would have trouble changing a light bulb, without assistance from their computer. Face the facts, we are simply unprepared for the sort of scams that these people regard as normal life.
Just One Very Small problem here Once upon a time we had a Head of State. Namely Her Majesty, The Queen. No we have to answer to a Load of Unelected Politicians in the EU, and soon , to the President of the EU. Blair. Will the Tory Party give this country the Referendum as promised and take the UK OUT OF The EU. Then start to clear out all of the Garbage sent here by the EU. You are of course at liberty to tell me that I am wrong in what i believe. Pat
One of the "joys" of our membership of the EU it that every criminal scumbag in Europe has a legal right to come and live here. And, as is increasingly obvious, many have done just that. As the planet's population grows, so does the number of people involved in crime. Our only hope of avoiding being literally overrun by such people is by exerting very tight control over our borders. That means letting in a lot less "tourists", "students", spouses....and leaving the EU asap!
The Criminal Paradise of Great Britain. Send us your rapists,murderers,thieves and general scum. What an achievement for this lame government.
If anyone thinks that our Dave is going to do anything about all this, they should forget it. Dave is as much in love with the "EU dream" as all the other un-democratic load of swindlers in Westminster. They couldn't care less what our children and grandchildren have to put up with, living cheek by jowl with criminals, - they don't! Its the same here in france, the political pygmies who run this country are all living on another planet as well, and their corruption is as great as in England. Nobody is going to get deported out of all this, after all, they are all crooks together, aren't they? So they will look after each other. Until we have a party in Britain who cares about the British people more than lining their own pockets, this will go on and on!
The chickens are coming home roost now showing how stupid this country has been, we have let in every Tom Dick or Harry, legal or illegal when they do wrong they are allowed stay claiming asylum and benefits instead of being sent back to their country of origin, we sent back a terrorist to die in his own country , it will never change now the floodgates have been opened so long we are drowning in our own stupidity. GREAT BRITAIN no GUTLESS BRITAIN run by morons.
O ! I hear you all yelling but I bet you vote for a party thay will just carry on with it ??.
What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged - cassandra, nottingham, 14/9/2009 09:42 Yes what an awful day for a country to be reunited, hatred banished and the reunification of 2 powers. You are evidently a total philistine (look it up) please try to source your information from the Mail or other such periodicals (look it up)
Labour.. Open door policy eh? Crime pays. - Rick, Newcastle uk It was Ted Heath who tricked the electorate into joining the EEC, try and get Dave to promise a referendum for withdrawal from the EU. That's all it would take to guarantee a tory government.
I'm sure this wouldn't have happened if the Tories were in power
Not one red arrow comment so far, I think we are all singing from the hymn sheet. POLITICIANS TAKE NOTE!!
What on earth are we thinking about lettin g all this scum into our country and paying them to live here before our own people. We used to be a wonderful place to live, but now we are the rubbish of europe and the laughing stock of the rest of the world. Check on anyone who wants to come into our country before they even get to the borders, not after they arrive here where they can easily dissapear wiothout trace. When we travel abroad we have to go through border control with our passports etc, so how is it all these criminals are aable to get in without any problems. Disgusted of Bournemouth.
So Barclays blame a 'computer bug'. Sure do take us for mugs, dont they. It was their crass incompetence that was to blame. But what do they care? It will all be paid for in the charges that every one of Barclays customers pay. Thankfully I am not one of them.
We should get out of the EU now. Borders should be re-established, policed & enforced aggresively. Financial migrants should be sent home forthwith & not be allowed back (as should all immigrants who have commited any criminal offence). Human Rights should be abolished forever (the only people who seem to use them are those intent on criminal activity in any case & have no respect for anyone else's). The vast amounts of cash saved from the EU budget should be reinvested in our own country & distributed by qualified, competent professionals to help the masses & not just the few (not MP's or defunct MEP's)... Message sent to Santa early!
the french made 34 arrests ...I bet you they are sent back here instead of there own country .
So much for the holy grail of "Chip and Pin" security.. Wait till labours Id cards come in the back door.. Every detail of all our lives up for sale. Still voting marxist.?
I agree with ALL comments. It is time that we CLOSED our borders and GET OUT of the EU!!! I think ANY British citizen would vote for the Party who promises to take us out of the EU. Come on David Cameron make us that promise PLEASE!!!!!!!
"Out on bail". That's okay then, they'll disappear and more will take over and rob us all blind. Don't you just love the justice system, all for the criminals one and all !
build a wall dividing east and west europe and introduce severe border controls and kick all the garbage out.Which ever poliical party sorts out the mess will et my vote. Harry, a true brit.
Well thats a shock, NOT.!!! All living in our country, bleeding everyone dry and out on bail. Great. the party that takes us out of the stupid E.U. gets our vote.
I suppose it was organised by the government as part of thier attempt to balance the books.` Using slovacs to carry the can is a wonderfull idea, after all they are some of our better imports, they steal overseas and bring the cash to the UK. Now all we need to do is use them to train our MPs.
Perspective: The money was taken from a massive, multi-national company that made £6.1 BILLION PROFIT last year. That's a 0.005% loss in profits. If this happened to you or I (and you or I earn i.e. £25K a year) it's the equivalent of having about £1.25 stolen from you. £1.25!!! I lose more than that down the back of the sofa each year..... With banks having illegally taken around £5bn from customers every year in penalty charges, this 'loss' is a complete joke.
What a lovely people. We give them safe haven and the chance to make a new life and this is how they 'repay' us. No pun intented.
One has to ask the question WHY these foreign criminals choose to live in & target this country for robbery, theft, scams, fraud etc etc. Answer is simple - our Government has made it so damn easy, the EU is happy for them to be "our" problem & even if they're caught we still pay the cost of keeping them in prison. We have a proud history of being a refuge for the oppressed but these days we're the oppressed, suppressed and damned depressed!
If our police know who they are they should be arrested and tried over here. Then sent back to Slovakia to do their time.
This shows just how grateful they are to be here in OUR country..... NOT satisfied with ALL the FREE BEEs they get from us tax payers ...they take more....Deport them all
How lucky we all are to be members of the EU.
I have the perfect defence for these money loaders. They were on a mission for Bully Brown - "Quantitative Easing'....
These fine upstanding citizens of Europe who now reside her, probably on benefits, along with murderers and rapists, etc., that we have inherited courtesy of our beloved masters. They will probably be returned to England, allocated Probation Officers, given new identities and round the clock Police Protection. That is of course, after they have had medical check ups, and been assessed to see if they are eligible for any more benifits due to a change in their circumstances. Have I missed anything out.? Well they will get the appropriate advice. I know the advice the man in the street woukd give them. We have to get this Labour lot out, then get out of Europe.
Far from putting a stop to the outrage of having to house, clothe, feed, breed the hordes of foreign criminals and freeloaders who are here and arriving here daily, the EU is now proposing (and will do, as they are the bosses) to "share" out the zillions of 'refugees' from the Third World (who are rather inconveniently still in 'their' countries) with us -- after all, it's only fair isn't it. We've still got a bit of standing room here. GET US OUT OF THE EU!!! LIKE NOW!! Cameron, note! You've got one chance and one only!
Good luck to them,any crook from abroad who wants to cheat the British system get over here as quick as you can,its so easy for you,do a bit of thieving,if you get caught they will probably give you benefits until your case comes to court,if it ever does,and you will almost certainly only just get a telling off,its a piece of cake.the police hardly ever prosecute fraudsters,Westminster has turned the UK into a gangsters paradise,large and small.
Yet more foreign criminals 'based' in Britain. We must be the softest, daftest, most gullible nation on God's earth. Why the hell can everyone else see the truth of open-border policy but the government cannot?
While our lads are giving their lives to fight terrorists overseas this bunch of idiots known as our government are letting criminals, just another form of terrorist, into this once decent country.
Ah the joys of being forced to have this scum living in our midst because our politicans haven't got the foresight or spine to retreat from EU membership. We entered for trade reasons and remain for, God only knows what reasons; the benefits are miniscule compared to the burden, not only financially but culturally and socially. We must get out of the EU and reclaim our right to cast out the increasing career criminals descending from Eastern Europe.
Cassandra, Nottingham The EU enlargement and the prospective EU membership of Turkey is one of the main foreign policy goals of the United States of America. Americans want Turkey on their side and they want Turkey inside the EU. The main advocates od neo-liberal capitalism and the main supporters od NATO are in eastern Europe. The ex-communist states have a socio-economic policy which is almost idential to that of USA and UK. This is why they are supported by Britain and the US. The mere fact that these countries were allowed to enter the EU is a price we had pay to keep the Yanks happy. And this is why Turkey will be allowed to enter, despite the pressure from Germany and France. Britain, unsurprisingly is one of the main supporters of the Turkish membership. The more countries that are in the EU, the weaker the central Franco-German alliance within it.
!"There should have beenn a 5 year period before citizens of an enlarged EU could come here. Turkey next!!!!!!!!!!!David Cameron, WE WANT OUT !!!!!!!" 1)there is a ban in most of the european countries.You,british,wanted to earn a quick buck on cheap labour and lifted the ban,so dont complain now 2)turkey won't join EU ever,cause its not even in Europe. 3)before you cry "we want out" dont forget that there are around 4 mlns of british emigrants living on the continent.
Are we 'trying' to import foreign mafia's??? Criminal enterprise should be a good reason to eject foreign criminals. Surely, it's a no brainer...........break the law.........off you go.
"close all borders NOW!!! - Fran ex pat, The Netherlands Ede, 14/9/2009 10:27" Lets start from you,our french parasite in Wageningen
I have been voting Labour since 1997, but this is the only reason I would give my vote to the Tories. The tunnel and the immigration door must be slammed shut.
I am surprized to see some of the comments like : "close the borders"; "london will end like Beruit"; "these countries have lived in poverty for generations" ..... The answer does not lie in the above mentioned. The point is that there was a loop hole in the barclays system as well as the legal system which allowed these criminal to move bail. These are the only two points which need to be addressed. The EU is there to stay and is part of a much broader picture - obviously incomprehensible by the readers making the above comments! A lot of people forget that when native Britons go abroad, some of them too have been known to be "thugs .... (footbal thugs for example) ..... murderers ..... thieves ... etc.... You get bad apples in every country and every walk of life and then there are white collar crimes also - for what makes them more acceptable than these crimes? We have our own share of bad apples amongst the native as well as settled migrants who call UK their "home"
Will they get deported? I guess not
thank you mr politician you have heaped the dregs of europe onto our country and now you are scared to do anything about we are on the very short road to civil war here as people are sick of it.
Welcome to the new 21 century England.
Crime is probably accounting for most of the 3million jobs said to depend on the EU. The rest are the bureaucrats.
When will this dim-witted, flat-headed, self-serving, incompetent shower of a Government claw itself for a moment out of the stinking morass of its own rank ineptitude to realise its short-sighted, hare-brained, amateurish excuse of an immigration policy has dragged this once-fine country down to the scum-laden gutter?
More "benefits" of forced immigration.
I hope to God that Turkey is not next, it's peaceful here with little criminal activity of this sort. Keep us out, PLEASE!!!
On bail, others released - you wont see them for dust. They ALL should have been locked up until their court case and then deported back to the place of their birth and be done with it.
Well done to Nu-labour for destroying our once great nation by allowing scum from all over the world to reside in the UK , I know where my vote will go and it's not the three main parties.
Another own-goal by our open-door policy... At least they are wandering off abroad to nick the dosh, shows theat tthey KNOW there is nothing left nicking in Britain, thanks to our excellent politicians (current and "retired") who have nicked it all for themselves.
You ain't seen nothing yet, wait until Turkey is allowed to join the EU and then you will see trouble in our streets. You have done a wonderful job of protecting other countries NuLabour while allowing the UK to go down the pan with the amount of crap you have allowed to pour in and to all you do gooders and PC loonie Lefties, let see how happy you are about human rights for all when your bank account is hacked.
After having Barclays phone me every weekend at 9am over money Barclay's stole out of my account all I can say, is it couldn't have happened to a more deserving bank.
Stupid New Labour, stupid big business encouraging New Labours immigration policy. At the end of the day the tax payer always picks up the bill. When is the British government going to represent British people? These clowns and their vote rigging election policies need to be gone. Sorry to say it but we need a Britain for the British government or we will have the BNP rising and rising!
No doubt they used their unlimited cash credit cards to come up with the bail money
Wonder how they managed to get through nu-labours "Tough new points system", this is just another example of the fine upstanding people labour are allowing to flood our streets. Please remember this in may next year when that clown woolas tells us all how labour have got immigration under control.
I agree with cassandra, nottingham, the end of the Soviet Union was a bad day for the west, the worst since WW2.
Cassandra Nottingham You alluded to the forthcoming rubber stamp job of allowing Turkey to join EU. Turkey has land borders of 269 km with Bulgaria, 203 km with Greece, 276 km with Georgia, 325 km with Armenia, 18 km with Azerbaijan (Nahjivan), 529 km. with Iran, 378 km with Iraq and 877 km with Syria. And each one of the borders can be walked across with a suitcase. So let in Turkey and you let in the world.
Get out of the EU. Close our borders and stop these criminals from debasing our society. Further stop paying benefits to all migrants.
They should be locked up and the key thrown away, but no they are released on bail, beggars belief how this country is being fleeced by foreigners to our shores. We should be pulling up the drawbridge and throwing out anyone that has broken our laws.
I don't want to know what Joe Public thinks of all this, I want to know what the Prime Minister's views are!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good old EU...the best thing that ever happened to us....NOT !
Are these some the people that make the valuable contribution to this country that we keep hearing about? - without doubt this government have damaged us beyond repair!
yet another crime committed by immigrants living in Britain. When will we ever learn. We have enough of our own underclasses without welcoming in those of our European Neighbours. Out of the EU now and close our borders. Revolution required.
Fran the ex-pat; Have you booked your ticket home??? Hypocrite!!
If you read the article properly you will see that they have ALL been released, because the 4 ringleaders were bailed!!!! This beggars belief, and was probably done in the sure and certain knowledge that they would all scarper back here, saving the French shed loads of money and effort in prosecuting them! How did we allow this once orderly and law abiding country to become a haven for the gangs and criminals of the world? Sorry to be un-PC, but most of the crimes we hear about, including inner city knife crimes and muggings ARE carried out by those who did not originate here!!!!! What a dreadful day for us all when the Berlin Wall came down and the EU was enlarged. These countries have lived in poverty for generations, obviously they will head to places where the living and pickings are easy! There should have beenn a 5 year period before citizens of an enlarged EU could come here. Turkey next!!!!!!!!!!!David Cameron, WE WANT OUT !!!!!!!
They've been allowed 'out on bail' !!!! Do you really think they are going to hang around - nope they'll head right back to good old UK where they'll be safe with the rest of the criminals allowed in - close our borders now and shut/block the tunnel we have enough of our own scum without the rest of the EU's
Proves how disasterous the open borders policy from the EU is. Britain should refuse re-entry of these criminals back to our country. This is one of the reasons why the dregs of the world flock to the UK. Once they are here, they become untouchable by the law. They can do what they like.
No doubt they were shipped back across the channel on the first ferry available where they were no doubt met with tea, toast and train fare home!!!!!
I feel so proud that our ancient capital city is home to a substantial community of Slovakian criminals. We used to have our own small criminal class, that was easily policed. Now we have the dregs of the world setting up "communities". generally in subsidized housing & with their human rights protected at our expense. Unless we have a massive change of direction & soon, London will end up like Beirut.
close all borders NOW!!!
'armed police made 24 arrests...' why does the media refer to 'armed police' as if to give some dramatic edge to a story. In most normal coutries the police are armed as a matter of course, so this is no big deal, indeed most foreigners cannot believe that the police can or ar prepared to do their job here without a sidearm to protect themselves or the public.
Well thats a surprise, all have been bailed and released into to community, where they will vanish, never to be seen again. Until next time we are lucky enough to catch them at it. (or the French) Then what? Thats right, back to the start of comment.
And I suppose they have all returned to London with their ill- gotten gains without any check at our borders, ready to plan their next scam. OUT of the EU now, and seal our borders tight.
thank you tony blair and gordon brown well done......just more eastern european crime for france and the uk to deal with..........
Quantitative easing Slovakian style.
it is not difficult to bypass the security to access unlimited withdrawals from a Bank Card, but you do need an 'insider' to make the necessary changes to the accounts in question to allow unlimited withdrawals, the euphemism used here a "computer bug" is a term frequently used by Banks as a catch all for an 'inside job' the truth is bank and credit card fraud has never been higher, particularly internet related activities, if the Banks were to come clean over the billions they lose each year through fraudulent activities we would stop trusting them and they would soon go out of business, so we are always told these are 'isolated incidents' and 'computer bugs' the losses are insured anyway so the banks can afford to keep it quiet.
Can't see any reason why not! These people arrive here fully aware "IF" caught nothing much will happen to them. The same excuses will be used, we come from a country where we have had harsh treatment and for a better life or it's not our fault our mothers didn't breast feed us. Guess what ? The do-gooders stand for it and more and more criminals follow making lawyers very wealthy and the public here unhappy and living in despair. Ever thought it's been done on purposed.
Lets hope the French send them back to Slovakia.
Britain the dumping ground for the worlds criminals, thanks to the Labour government and corrupt EU.
Welcome to the European Union Dream. If this scam had happened in the UK no doubt the fraudsters would have been released on "insufficient evidence" from the Director of Public Prosecutions.
Lets hope they all get deported.Very nice what this open door policy has done for our Countries. This is what these people do best.
what do you expect these people from other countries think the streets are paved with gold and when they find out they are not then they help themselves to what everyone else has worked for,I hope the french send them back to thier own country , there is not enoungh houses and jobs anymore for our own people wake up britain and france don't let them in unless they have money to support themselves.
I really do hope the french authorities come down really heavily on these people and make a lasting example of them. A clear message this behaviour will not be tolerated. If this crime had occurred in the UK, our craven legal system would have probably given them a community service order!
Why can we not ban all suuch foreign criminals from entering our country? Would it harm their EC inspired Human Rights?
Unwitting accomplices ? the poor things must feel proper foolish now !!! Any way ...Foreign criminal gangs operating from the UK. ...what a surprise. Will these people be deported from England , when they of course come back to Blighty.
"The London based East European gang" just about says it all, NuLabours one great achievement, Britain crime magnet to the world.
i trust that those persons arrested are deemed as unsuitable to be in the UK and are imprisoned in France and then sent back to Slovakia, im not holding my breath !! more scum in my country .
This caused problems for ordinary travelers. I went to pay my hotel bill that morning in Calais with my M&S card. The process was 'abandon,' I informed the receptionist that my wife also had a card, thinking that mine had been damaged and that she would pay the bill. Unfortunately her card was also 'abandon,' Luckily, I had my Barclay card with me that went through with no problem.Upon reaching home I telephoned M&S to report that our cards had been rejected. I was informed that our cards were perfectly alright and that the two transactions at the hotel had been accepted, this now means that I have paid one bill three times. M&S say that I have got to contact them again on Tuesday, ( tomorrow ) so that they can sort it out. Hopefully they will have read your article and will cancel out the two charges.
This is the scum we are letting in to the UK and we must get out of the EU now. If anyone can give one good reason for staying in I'll give ten for leaving. The cost for remaining a member is both financially and constitutionally ludicrously high.
They will probably be sent back to London where they will be given a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again! The french should deport them back to their own country and they should not be allowed to set foot in Britain again. ( I wish)
"unwitting accomplices" How can they be unwitting, if they drew money from a bank account they must have known that it was a scam. Or why did they travel to France in the first place. I see the French Police have released them on bail, do they honestly think these people will come back? Yet another scam run by people this country let in because of the EU's rules. If we were not members of this nasty club we could control the scum that are arriving daily.
I expect the french will blame the british for this.
A security bug? How convenient for the criminals - coincidence, or an inside job?
This country has enough scumbags of its own. Close our borders NOW!
Poor old Barclays. All those decades of cash dispensers and still there is a 'bug' in their system. Someone in IT will be looking for another job soon, especially if the 'bug' was an inside job, as seems very likely. At least the crooks had the good sense to withdraw Euros! I wonder what Barclays will do to the people whose cards were used, presumably on accounts with zero or negative balances. Do they even know where they live? Or who they are?
Un-controlled immigration, un-controlled crime, un-controlled criminals. Lets get rid of this Government and control our borders.
Dimwit politicians are to blame
I see the banks are starting to realise that cutting back on computer security personnel was perhaps not the brightest idea, after all. Last week, I learned how low a regard banks had for people who have the skills to keep their entire infrastructure working: When my fiancee and I opened a joint bank account at Deutsche Bank, the teller needed to put my occupation into the computer system. The killer detail? They had no category for IT workers of any description!
Labour.. Open door policy eh? Crime pays.
Education here has been ruined by the Educationalists. It has further declined by the perceived need to provide translators - this helps neither the non-English nor the English speaking pupils. In fact no translators or translations should be provided in any organisation, at least not at taxpayers' expense.
Well if there were fewer immigrants making such high demands on the NHS waiting lists would be shorter for the rest of us.
If as you say, having foreigners in the UK is putting a strain on services and the benefits system, then why not stop all benefits to everyone, as all your arguments suggest it would stop immigrants coming to the UK. I have the idea that most of the migrants from east of the danube come to work and work a damn sight harder than the english are prepared to do and are not here for the purpose of claiming your precious benefits. People from the rest of the world outside europe I won,t speak up for because I don,t have any information.
Our children are suffering too as way too many languages being catered for in our schools, so perhaps it's best if you do go home, for everyone's sake.
That's a bit rich. It's because of the mass immigration in general that our schools and NHS are in the state they are in through overcrowding .Anyway don't let up stop you from leaving,good bye.
Says a lot about their intelligence if they're still here then.
"Eastern European parents worried that children are working below their academic level" - Well it might just be that the Government and school inspectors will take note and improve teaching for British children. They might then stand a better chance of competing in the job market, as our youngsters have become second class when it comes to employment.
Goodbye.
They are right, they can have the zoo of a state school I went to and that was in the early 80's.
Clear off then !, far too many pupils in our classes anyway !!
dont seem to be rushing to get back to eastern europe though!!
So what with the Labour Government and now this bunch they may not throw out murderers and criminals but by the time they are finished with the country all those here would have left for a better life. Of course it is the consequence of their actions not the intentions. You will note the only ones in the country that are better off are civil servants and MPs/politicians. Oh and of course those on benefits and been on them for years. I'm telling you VOTE UKIP and get our country back.
This is excellent news. Now all we need to do is persuade these people that they could save on air fares by staying in their own country permanently.
Well do one if you dont like it.
We have all these EU immigrants which we welcomed with open arms and most are working hard and paying their taxes which is exactly what the government wants. The problem is the government don't want to spend any of that money on the NHS or Education,no they would rather save it along with all the other cutbacks and keep paying millions a day into Europe. This way the figures look good under this Clownilition and gives them a few more billion for the Olympics and some aircraft carriers we don't need along with the new planes to go on them as we sold the last ones cheap to the USA. And while i'm here Cameron better jump into bed or have dinner with the new French president Hollande as we're supposed to use their navy until our boats are ready and if you can believe it the French are supposed to be building some new nuclear power plants here,only for us to pay through the nose for forever more. This shambles is so out of touch they think by 2015 we will still vote for them. Their joking.
who is forcing them to stay here. GOD HELP THIS GENEROUS COUNTRY.
to all those who suggest we all go home: who is going to do all the work you brits are too lazy to get off your backsides to do then?? you are a culture of 'get something for nothing', and that's why you need some 'help'. differently from their asian and african fellow immigrants, you will find very few eastern europeans are living on benefits in UK. i, for one, have no knowledge of a single person of the sort. i personally have a great qualified job in the city, and i can say that even though i have only ever been in private hospital in UK, the service, equipment and premises were many times worse than in the country i am from. and to those who now will accuse me of taking your jobs away from you - over the years i have seen dozens of brit colleagues being hired and then fired because of the simple lack of ability and even interest to try to do the job properly. open your eyes to see that eastern europeans are the last thing you lot should be moaning about
Ah, so that's the government's plan. Make it seem so awful here that they all go home, then suddenly whip the dust cloth off a shiny new NHS and school system... Genius.... Oh, right, they're actually just making it awful to live here if you're not in their millionaires' club? No shiny new facilities?
Schools and the NHS are not just failing immigranst, they are failing all of us. I know of several UK born residents who go abroad for medical care. I am aware of a family that moved to France becasue the NHS told them that a certain drug used to control the father's Khron's disease was too expensive to supply, but in France he is given it with no problem, and on the TV program, Sun, Sea and A&E I saw a person being treated in a Spanish hopital for a sinus problem with a scan and medication which I have been unable to get for my chronic sinusitis. I suffer from glaucoma and for years have had regular check ups but lately the appointments have been cancelled as the hospital cannot cope with the demand. Will they wait until I go blind before I get to see a doctor? Our hospitals can do great things and most of the staff are wonderful, but often it is a matter of luck.
Ah I'm sooooooo sorry to hear that! how do you find our benefits system, any better?
Good get on a plane and go home! There are 2m of you here already, we could well do without you thanks very much then perhaps our own unemployed BRITISH work force will secure full time jobs.
The UK is failing its own children, whose parents have paid into the system, and its own people with its NHS service, precisely because it has taken in all and sundry,and all nationalities, who see it as their right to an education and free health service! It is about time the UK Government closed the gates, Kicked out those who don't contribute, and maybe things would start to improve. Making regular trips home , which are probably paid for by UK handouts! Come on UK, when will it stop?????
Go back to where you came from then.... believe me, NO ONE will stop you and we can save our hard earned ££ for much better things ! BYE BYE!!
This is nothing new: I know a woman who came over with her son from Poland in the first wave after restrictions were lifted. She always returned for dental treatment and I am sure she would have returned for medical treatment if it had been necessary. Regarding schools: immigrants seem to have no perception of the huge stress and burden on schools and other public services precisely BECAUSE of the huge number of immigrants. To turn your nose up at a system that you have been at least a little responsible for damaging is rather arrogant. I actually heard Poles say that we - the UK taxpayer - should provide exclusively Polish schools for their children!
Well you know where the border is don't you. Perhaps if our teaching and NHS are below standard because we have been inundated with migrants putting a strain on everything, having to priovide information in x number of different languages etc etc. Just a thought.
Dont hurry back
Flamenca in Spain. Yes the Spanish seem to have decided the solution to their problems is to remove health care from EU citizens despite their treaty obligations, and despite the fact that the costs get charged back to the home country anyway. However it seems a pretty funny way to encourage more of us to retire there - quite the opposite, it is encouraging more and more to try to sell up and get the hell out of there and never go back. Quite how the Spanish think this will help their vital tourism industry, or PR image outside Spain beats me. The best days in Spain are well and truly over, and they have only themselves to blame for concreting over the coasts, building 500,000 homes for no buyers, and spending EU funds on enormous new airports like Madrid bigger than any potential need. Suicide!!!
Simple answer, go back then. When the stupid UK public wakes up, sacks the present government and installs UKIP, they will have to go back anyway.
NHS broken State Education Broken.... why awful unions, smash the unions and get free schools up and running NOW. fund hospitals directly cut out all top level NHS management. have unpaid retired businessmen on the boards of hospitals give them a OBE or something
Dale in Wirral - why live in the UK at all? Because they can probably earn cash in hand here for at least part of their work. They can get UK rated welfare benefits for the kids which will far outstrip the level of benefits at home. And being a foreigner in a country has always given people the upper hand as there are few records on you, it is much easier to be invisible for tax purposes etc etc etc. However if things are so much better at home we can but hope that many will get fed up and decide to leave. Maybe they might like to try France and see just how different it is there. Not a cat in hell's chance of getting benefits there unless you have paid tax and Social Security for some years first. That's why they all come here.
Not a problem, about turn don't pass go and pick up £200!
" A new paper suggests...." -------------- - In the past, we called it a survey, and a survey can be worded to tell you whatever you want it to tell you.
To address both our education and NHS problems one must first resolve their problems. In both instances immigration is a major problem. The solution therefore is obvious to all - except to the coalition government and the EU politicians.
Well clear off back home then.
GOOD You know where the nearest airport is!
Perhaps these 'survey experts' should start visiting city A&E's, doctors surgeries and primary schools, along with benefit agencies in the main cities of this country, then perhaps they would see that there are very serious doubts about their sweeping comments. If east european are so concerned with their offsprings poor education in this country, why are we needing more and more schools in the future??...perhaps to suit our own residents declining birth rates!!!
There is no barbed wire fencing and all the doors are unlocked, Why do you lot not take the golden opportunity to make full use of exits????
Now the story has been blown, I suppose soon there will be thousands of British people coming to Poland for private healthcare which is affordable and of a very high standard, even if state healthcare is failing in many areas. Many doctors and dentists speak good English, as do the receptionists at the health centres. Before you book your tickets, though, check out yesterday's story and comments about the fares on budget airlines and mainstream carriers.
"how provision can be improved to support migrant families with children.Â’ / No concern then about how the NHS can be improved for our own people? If we didn't have so many immigrants we might then have and be able to afford services as good as in Bulgaria, Poland, and Romania. Not to mention affording a better state pension.
Our doors are always open --- please feel free to leave anytime.
Begs the question why live in UK at all then???
Why are they here in the first place???? If it is so good in their own country why not stay there and leave the money and jobs for us Brits???
With family in both Hungary and the UK and having lived in both countries for many years I can compare the two systems and it is very clear that the academic standards here are far higher than in UK schools. In fact they are too exacting and there is too much pressure on children from as young as 11 are who regularly made to take tests with failure meaning having to repeat a year. They are also overloaded with homework, which seems to have gone out of fashion in the UK and have to continue with compulsory (maths, chemistry etc) right up until 18. As for specialists the situation really is better here as you can get an appointment immediately with any specialist in a state run hospital (in Budapest) , but since they are paid peanuts (about 100 pounds a week after tax) the government can afford to employ a few of them.
Speaks volumes about the decline in this country doesn't it?
Well Spain has stopped treatment of 500,000 immigrants to save money. I wonder what the EU has to say about this?? If UK were to do the same, then a lot of money could be saved. Then again the EU might send a nasty letter if UK did it.
If things are so much better in Poland what on earth are they all doing here. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you, what more do they want....jam on it!
I had surgery on my eyes in a private clinic , the surgeon was brilliant had all the super modern equipment, lense implants from America no need to be an inpatient. examined on the Thursday operated on the following Tuesday and the same again for the other eye two weeks later. The NHS told me there was nothing they could do for me. So yes a better health service here and the doctors light years ahead with surgical procedures, most of them trained in Russian Medical Schools.
GOOD! Our London schools and hospitals are struggling to cope with the huge numbers of Eastern Europeans.
good riddance
Go home then!
Well go back home and stay there then.
No surprises here. THE NHS IS FINISHED. UK SCHOOLS ARE FINISHED. If you are a vulnerable pensioner in the UK then you know that you are FINISHED - the bloated, mealy-mouthed, self-serving, two-faced, bloated, hypocritical parasites loitering in the House of Conmen could not give a damn.
This is excellent news for Britain as it now means the British will have shorter waiting lists and it is after all the British Taxpayers who have paid for the NHS.
Perhaps if our NHS wasnt openly abused by the world and it's brother, we would all have a better service and shorter waiting times. Oh, and if things are so much better in Poland, Bulgaria etc, why dont they go back and stay there?
Good. The country is overcrowded anyway with freeloaders and NHS tourists. They only want to be here if the perks are better than back home? Yeah, but while you are taking our perks, our share is diminishing by the day. Once it hits rock bottom, you lot are going to do a runner. No nationality. No loyalty. Floating population of opportunists. Just come and go as you please, pick the perks and buzz off when they ain't good enough. Good, maybe it will reduce our population and over stretched services and we can have some of what's left!
Bye Bye
'British schools fail our children say Eastern European immigrants' . >>>>>>>>>>. Well there's a very simple answer as what to do then isn't there. So why wait?
If they are so discontent they can always go home permanently. Oh hang on, that would mean losing child benefits, housing benefits, council housing, free education, free healthcare, tax credits etc wouldn't it
First of all this is not what the Polish Guys who work with me say, their medical system is collapsing in some ares and their isn't medicine to be had. Never mind Eastern Europeans, all people wait for Consultant appointments and find dental work expensive. When will the government look at discrimination at the English population who have paid N.I. and Taxes and still pay for prescriptions through the nose etc where others do not. Yes Children may have done harder stuff back "home" but unless they can communicate Teachers can"t tell this and a lot of time is taken up with learning to speak English. . Why do the parents come here in the first place? If it is so good back home
Well there's a real easy answer to all of the above; they can just all go back to where they come from but not before paying back the benefits they've claimed.
1) Why are we spending money on finding out how to spend more money on immigrants? 2) The reason they can afford to do this is probably because we pay them benifits they wouldn't get at home.
I cannot believe this - how about an extra effort to ensure that ALL of our children are being challenged academically, rather that just one migrant group!!! I would welcome many of the million plus who have flooded this country and put a severe strain on our schools and NHS services returning home to their superior services. The main difference between their countries and ours is that they are not flooded with millions of financial migrants and asylum seekers year on year and can concentrate on looking after their own people and the services they pay for. I can't get my daughter into our local Church school in Streatham because over 80% of the places for the last 3 years have been given to Polish financial migrants, and they are complaining!!! If it's not good enough for you, feel free to go home!!
Certainly compared with Australia , the NHS waiting times can seem excessive .
No doubt the flights home for treatment are paid for out of their UK tax payer funded benefits.
Perhaps if the floodgates hadn't been opened, our NHS and schools wouldn't be under so much pressure and we'd all get a better service. The NHS was not designed to treat half the northern hemisphere.
They are failing our children too - and imagine how native Britons feel who have paid taxes and national insurance, and are put even further down the waiting list at hospitals.
Hysterical. Their causing the major problems with our health and education but they have the opportunity to flit back home when they need a better service.
Well don't worry with Hollande and the soicalist Old europe countries ,it will soon be federalism and we will not have enough spit to put on a stamp when he and his like take over..THE FRENCH admitt the plan was always this pout of the mouth of Hollandes mentor Jacques Attali . He hates the uk like Mitterand so he will break us first so best you all return to your own country after all you are so ooooo European,, take all contribute nothing..Maybe just maybe we might then be able to have class rooms small enough of kids who can speak English...NHS ..the shame they go back home and have it free we go to them and we have to pay...if this is a united european state then count me out Mr President Hollande
Hold on "ideas on how provision can be improved to support migrant families with children" - What about our own children? Are we not all meant to be equal in this country? Are our waiting times not because we have so many migrants? Isn't our education service suffering because the schools are over crowded, many times because the children can't speak English?
Insanely stupid article. Generalizing whole Eastern Europe - almost 100 million people. Just stupid, sorry no other words coming, I'm shocked.
This is really really funny!!!Gum trafficking to Romania?!!I can't wait to tell my colleagues in college about this!!!Watch your gum,I will steal it and send it to Romania!!!Why?Because I am romanian!!!!Well done Mr.David Walton!!!
I am romanian and this is really, really funny!!!POLICE INVESTIGATION??!!!HA HA HA!!!Yeah,this is the real MAFIA!!!!Well done Mr.David Walton!!!!
What?
Well, I think this is some sort if April Fools' Joke.... in October. Yes, in smaller shops in Romania, they tend to offer you chewing gum instead of change - or bonbons, or lollypops for that matter. However the author somehow forgets to mention this. It's because people in Romania rarely bother with coins; but to say that chewing gum is used as a currency is wildly exaggerated. I mean, try to imagine some sort of huge underground network, smuggling not drugs or weapons, but chewing gum and Haribo's .... imagine some sort of scar-faced, Russian-speaking character with an AK shouting - "where is my shipment of Wrigley's?" It's plain ridiculous!
I was regularly given..gum. by shop-keepers...to * make-up * for the small change.! and that was in Rome...1975..!
Is it just me or is the planet truly going insane?
Could of used the gum stuck under tables and chairs in macdonalds, it's free
We should leave it to the local police to chew over the facts of the case
'Using chewing gum as currency in Romania'...just about sums up the future of the Euro and the EU
It's their human rights. So what's the problem?
Get rid of them today and track down the people who have married and get rid of them as well. We cannot carry on like this.
There are certain classes of person that can be legally deported under EU rules. Criminals and those posing threats to national security can be ejected with relative ease. This is nothing more than an attempt at pulling the wool over the British people's eyes, pushing us to unconditionally accept "the rules" from Brussels..
I was always told there is not such a word as cannot., there is always a way round things, we must stop the U.K. being exploited. when will the government start to listen we need to get out of the E.U. as soon as possible.
If it wasnÂ’t so serious it would be funny. Why are people demanding a referendum on the EU ? We had a vote in May, and most voted to stay in. Or didnÂ’t people notice ? Ho well, you have another opportunity in four years and eight months time. But I guess by then, it will not worth it, as we will be no more.
Re job cuts. Judges. What is the point of them?
CHANGE THE LAW! Good grief! Years of socialism and the dungaree brigade telling us to understand and letting all and sundry set up camp on our shores is sending us down the drain.
What an unattractive bunch those 6 are! Lord, ugly noses!
"Why can't they be deported? - Raging Granny, Nottingham" They can be deported (fact), other EU countries do it (fact). Only British judges seem to have an aversion to this (fact).
The whole of the UK wishes you could deport them....
This is what happens when you allow uncontrolled immigration into this country.These scum should be deported immediately and never be allowed back into this country.If the only way we as a country can legally do this is to withdraw from the EU as these are EU citizens then I say go ahead and give us a referendum on whether to pull out or not.I for one like millions of others would vote yes to pull out of the EU without a second thought.
Gutless judge - government. Whose country is this? I know I'm in good company with any poster when I say that deportation should not be remotely out of the question (after a 5 year prison sentence at hard labor and all available assets seized). Deportation should be via an airdrop from about 35,000 feet on a winter day with WWII surplus parachutes (suitable for infants) that have been resting in some cellar collecting mold.
Britain is owned by Europe now. Our MEP's are paid vasts sums + put their own greed before what the British public wants. They don't wish us to leave Europe as they would then have to find real jobs with zero perks. It's a gravy train. It will only get worse. Britain will become a dumping ground for all the dross who can't make it in their own country. Welfare bills will spiral out of control + as the population of ingrates who don't speak the language grows. The system will be easier to scam money out of as it will be overburdened by the sheer numbers.Sharia law is already here, halal meat is served up in schools+ hospitals, fewer police, crime numbers instead of investigations, chavs roaming the streets like feral dogs, schools trying to teach with zero discipline + students that speak 27 different languages, Lithuanian knife wielding squatters, churches becoming pubs, 13 year olds having children. Is it any wonder that the UK is the worst place to live in the EU? No, not really
Its time to change our laws and boot them out, we must have a devils Island some where we can send them to live on with no modern systems.
There needs to be a change in regulation regarding immigrants (from non-conflictive countries) who are found guilty of criminal offences. These people should be deported back to their country of origin and never allowed back. Whilst the EU keeps its policy of human rights, thousands of criminals are allowed to roam freely with the community. This has to be stopped. As taxpayers why should we have to support this vermin living comfortably in British jails?
Why can't they be deported. We don't want thisscum in our country, taking our benefits and defrauding the system. GET RID OF THEM
The ever increasing costs of providing for these immigrants are going to destroy the uk economy and where will we be then? Where will they be? Our prisons are busting with not only our home grown criminals but those from the EU and compared to their prisons ours are near enough like 4 star B &B's. If we keep draining the system then we are all in deep trouble. If the Human Rights are so clever, why is it right to have to work and give to those who just come here to steal and commit crimes. In the prisons they should have a great big power system that the criminals should have to get on and pedal to provide power for heat and light.
Why when the majority of Brits want out of the EU are we still in it? They along with New Labour have destroyed this country. If Cameron had the guts to call another election quoting our removal from the EU he would win a landslide victory. Dream on Denis never in my lifetime!
This is what is wrong with the EU. We should be able to boot people out on the three strikes principle. All EU countries should agree that if a person is put out of a member country for being a criminal they should be banned from ever going back to that country. A big stamp right across the page of the passport would show other countries this person was not welcome in the UK and warn the next country about the problem they might be allowing into their country. Return to sender should be allowed.
We are not allowed to deport EU criminals to their country of origin? When they are released they will not be able to find employment and I thought that if EU citizens were not able to support themselves and provided they had not been here for longer than two years in employment they would not have recourse to public funds and they could be deported. I scarcely think that being involved in criminal activities, although they derived an income, can be construed as being in employment. Come on legal eagles let's have a view on this EU legislation.
How do you run up a debt at a casino? None of the ones I've ever worked at offer credit
All these posters asking Mr Cameron to do something about European Union rulers dictating to Britain, in cases like this and many others, should wake up, and realise that the tough Conservative party of Mrs Thatcher is finished, the modern Conservative party loves the EU every bit as much as the Labour or Liberal parties, if you want tough action and out of the EU, vote either UKIP or BNP next time.
Come Vince Cable, bring in more like this, we should deport regardless of the EU and ignore their threats of legal action and if the fine us with hold twice that amount from our payments and continue till they have had enough of us. I hope David Cameron has the guts to sort this mess out
Time to start farming out 'our' criminals to Third World countries. This would be cheaper for us and a little earner for the countries concerned. 6 months in a fly-ridden rat hole with no air con or cable would make an impact on the criminal classes. They knew what they were doing when they sent crims out to the 'colonies' - biggest mistake of all was that they did it the wrong way round - the whole law-abiding population should have been shipped out to Oz and left this miserable, damp island for the crims.
I totally agree with James, Grays. in every case without exception - criminals should be sent to their home country to serve the sentence Now thats a great idea to put before the EU Commissioners - what about it Prime Minister.!!!!!!
The judge is supposed to be a learned man so why is he hiding behind a smoke screen
Come on judge. You can't deport them?. Tell that to the French and Germans. We are the only stupid country that sticks by these stupid EU laws.
Yet another scam which could have been quickly detected with indentity cards containing biometric features such as fingerprint records. It is madness to cancel the one initiative from New Liebour which made good sense in the face of uncontrolled immigration.. Registry offices could easily and cheaply be provided with finger print readers, as our police cars are currently, and mulitiple marriages quickly detected or deterred.
So basically its like advertising that if you want to commit a crime come to the UK - you'll get a lighter sentence, serve it in a nice comfortable setting and you can't get deported. Oh and as a bonus, when you're released you'll be given some lovely benefits aswell. Its the same here in Ireland - every piece of scum from eastern europe has decided to come here - if they are caught, it usually turns out that they have a criminal record from back home too.
Yet another scam which could have been quickly detected with indentity cards containing biometric features such as fingerprint records. It is madness to cancel the one initiative from New Liebour which made good sense in the face of uncontrolled immigration.. Registry offices could easily and cheaply be provided with finger print readers, as our police cars are currently, and mulitiple marriages quickly detected or deterred.
Yet another scam which could have been quickly detected with indentity cards containing biometric features such as fingerprint records. It is madness to cancel the one initiative from New Liebour which made good sense in the face of uncontrolled immigration.. Registry offices could easily and cheaply be provided with finger print readers, as our police cars are currently, and mulitiple marriages quickly detected or deterred.
How much longer must we put up with the legal and political system telling the rest of the World we are a bunch of mugs.
the first rule of government is,to protect the people,thay fail to do this all the time,im sure if it was a french judge,he would have ignored the eu rules,and deported them,franch is looking more like a country,that reprisents my values.
If the government does not deal with this then eventually there will be civil war. Already EU nationals account for 15% of the prison population. This costs money - our money - to keep them. Cameron Condem wants to save money - so DEPORT THEM! and tohell with the EU. These people need to be rounded up and deported now. We need to leave the EU NOW and unless the three parties start to govern the British people for the interest of the British people then roll on the civil war. Cameron Miliband and clegg are all subservient to their masters in Brussels. We fought wars to remain self governing and the conservative party took that away from us.
Is this country owned by the EU? It certainly seems that way. Time we took account of the dire situation this country is in, and the politicians did something about it. Nobody from abroad should have the right to live in this country if they are a threat of any kind whatsoever. God only knows, we have enough problems of our own to deal with, without interference from the EU and Blairs human rights laws, which no doubt have benefited his wife very handsomely.
While we remain in the EU it MUST be made mandatory for ALL foreign criminals to be deported with no access to the Human Rights Act. We must, of course, get out of the EU as soon as possible. To that end, as a life-long Conservative voter I intend to vote for the UKIP at the next general election. The UKIP may not get enough seats to form a government, but they sure as hell can get enough seats to hold the balance of power and to scare the **** out of the Lib/Lab/Cons.!! - Norman (UK Taxpayer), Athens, Greece., 29/9/2010 4:50 I'll be voting UKIP and I'm a member of the treacherous Conservative party! Needless to say, I will not be renewing my membership. UKIP will be getting a donation from me. Not sure how much good it'll do though - after all there's no 'get out' clause in the Lisbon Treaty. If the property market ever picks up, I'll be selling and leaving this country - and Europe.
Is this another example of a piece of paper over ruling common sense. So this is a fact, the UK tax payers are being ripped off, the criminals are caught, and yet we cannot deport them. So who runs this country? Who makes the laws? Who is dictating policies to us? I suggest who ever it is and for what reason, we tell this organisation what and when to do with their rulings. Our parents and history did not die in wars defending the UK for bureaucrats and idiots to run our country. When will the peoples and government together with our judiciary get some backbone. The tax British payers and law abiding people have had enough.
Sadly, this lot are small beer. There are some really serious foreign villains active in the UK. In the rare event that they are successfully prosecuted they will serve a short sentence in our luxury jails. As the government and the grovellers at the Home Office are happy to obey EU diktats to the letter, these foreign villains will never be deported and will end up drawing the State pension in the UK. If you donÂ’t believe me, ask any copper, customs officer or immigration officer.
But, Judge, you CAN.................... If you need help, then WE, THE PEOPLE, will deport them FOR you. You only have to ask. NO ONE is strong enough to stop us, not even the Fascist EU.......... Just ASK...............
Absolute rubbish, of course they should be deported.and never allowed back!!......WHY SHOULD WE TAXPAYERS FOOT THE BILL.
I think what the judge is saying is that he does not have the power himself to deport them. No doubt when their sentences are up the UK Border Agency will step in. They are criminals and can be deported under EU law. Stopping them coming back is another thing altogether!
"They would laugh there socks off in France after reading this story. Can't deport, don't be so stupid....... - Terry Stride, Tamworth Kingdom of Mercia" You are absolutely 'bang on the money'. Only British judges think they can't deport EU citizens.
Ditto to all the above remarks that say that our politicians are too weak to do us justice.
Are EU countries paying the CRIMINALS the air fares to go to the UK Are EU countries paying their ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS the air fares to go to the UK Are EU countries paying their ASYLUM SEEKERS the air fares to go to the UK IF NOT WHY DO SO MANY GET HERE most claim to have no momey when they get here The UK is the poorest country in the EU and the 5th poorest in the world WE SHOULD ASK THE EU FOR AID
I wish the judge had given them all 20yrs each.That way by the time they were released the country might just have a government with a backbone to tell the E.U. parliament were to get off and deport the lot of them. Because as sure as eggs are eggs this coalition are lacking a spine when it comes to matters of E.U.laws. Did,nt Mr Cameron pledge to replace the human rights laws with a british bill of rights.Not only as he reneged on this pledge since jumping into bed with the libdems he is in favour of turkey joining the E.U. cash cow.So there will be a lot more cases like this one and the turkish gangs won.t be put off by a paltry 5yrs in jail.
A test case is more than needed here.These aliens should be deported immediately, without wasting time in our prisons (and then needing re-housing allowances etc.) France, also in the EU the last time I looked, would deal with these people differently. Our judges are obeying the very last letter of the laws, sometimes too much so,to our risk. Are we going to be 'safe' when they remain here? What are their future plans?
Deportation must follow their custodial holiday here, unless we become responsible for all of europes criminal fraternity.
One thing is for certain - the default position on anything that comes out of a politician's mouth is that it is a LIE until events PROVE otherwise!
More reason to get away from the EU this is becoming a joke. If we can't deport them because the are european we should have another way to get rid of them the only one I can think of is for us to leave europe and blockagde the boarders we can then stop giving the EU money as we get nothing back and join countries like Switzerland who don't have to go with the stupid laws that are made in brussels by unelected idiots that are paid far too much and feel they always need to justify their jobs.
They can be declared 'Persona Non Grata' and deported and NEVER let back into this country. Our politicians are just too WEAK and wouldn't say 'Boo' to the EU. What a shower of useless wimbly-wambly wetlegs!
Why can't the judge deport that motley crew? This is our country ,why should we keep those parasites in our jails? They've made enough money out of this country and it's taxpayers. Send them back to where they came from.. Let's rid ourselves of these scrounging, couldn't care less criminals, who don't belong here. This Government need a backbone,tell the EU where to go when it comes to the security and safety of this country.
this is going on up and down the country,and will continue to do so,how can you put people in prison for committing a civil offence? really this is unfair! what needs to be addressed is our benefits system,this is the carrot that encourages these people to the u.k ..get that sorted out and word will get around that this country is,nt a soft touch for handouts!
Ah, yes............. the joys & benefits of........ multiculturalism. Where would we be without it ? Answers on the back of a postage stamp, please.
Come on DC deport them. If under current law this is not possible, introduce a law in Parliament to make it so and tell the EU that Britain will not tolerate criminals whether from Europe or anywhere else. Time to take a stand.
One more good reason to have a referendum on Europe, They should be deported regardless of whether Europe says they can stay or not.
Reading comments over the last few weeks, it would seem that the majority of us want us OUT of the EU - so why dont the politicians listen to us? Maybe they are worried they will fall off the milk-train along with these greedy criminals. Do we have to wait years again before we get to such a drastic state that they finally act? Although as usual, by the time they listen to us, the rot has set in and not a lot can be done. Is there not enough of us here now to make our point of view worth listening to - it would seem not.
And why can't he deport them. I don't understand. They are criminals!
What has happened about the illegal weddings? Have those who used these to stay in the u.k. (and probably get citizenship) been arrested? Surely they should be imprisoned too and, if necessary, have their citizenship revoked and be deported (if at all possible), or are we becoming an 'easy touch' nation!!
He is a British judge sitting in a British court, so he can get them deported after a hard sentence and ignore the EU, they have not been elected to rule OUR country have they ?.
All involved in this affair should indeed be deprted and all their assets seized to pay for police and court costs whether they be the criminals who orgainsed the scam or those who willingly patricipated. Any one so convicted or involved should be guiven a life ban from entering this country again.
CAMERON, BE A MAN, STAND UP FOR OUR ONCE GREAT BRITAIN, GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW. We do not need europe, they are hell bent on trying to destroy us, Are you another appeaser??? Be like Sarkozi get rid of them all, at least he stands up for France.
And yet another reason to get out of the vile stinking EU. Come on Cameron, enough is enough!
There should be an agreement in the EU where all convicted criminals serve their sentence in their own country that way they have effectively been deported and the cost of keeping them in prison falls to their own country, it also makes foreign criminals serve their time in prisons that are a lot tougher than the soft ones we have here, they also want to look at the tariffs for sentencing when dealing with cases like this and double them which would give Murko seven and a half years in a real prison.
Come on Camero be a man and stop hiding behind traitor Brown and have a referendum so that we can get rid of these stupid laws [ I bet there is a proviso in the detested treaty to allow one ]
Some hope of protecting our citizens when a judge cannot make a legal judgement because of EU dictatorship. The UK is dangerously close to civil unrest as EU laws may as well be what Hitler planned for the UK in WW2. How many indicators do Parliament need to address this problem.
Why can't UK ban people for life from the country like USA does? This lot would deffinitely deserve it.
Suck it up folks! Most of you voted for it so frankly you're getting exactly what you deserve. Come next election the nice Mr Cameron, clueless Clegg, and new kid on the soviet bloc, Milliband, will tell you a lot more lies about the EU, crime, and immigration and guess what - you will vote for them again!
EU = Forth Reich - discuss.
"Judge Martin Steiger, sitting at Manchester Crown Court, told him: 'If it was up to me to decide, you would be deported to your home country and never allowed back.'" We all wish you could have done it too Judge
If it were not for Tony B'liars government incorporating the inane Human Rights Act into British law, this country could deport many undesirables. Murders, other criminals, aircraft hijackers, illegal immigrants etc etc, people who should not be here, who have absolutely no right to be here. Sadly we now cannot deport them. B'liar has a lot to answer for!
Deporting would be good. Hanging would be better.
And the reason we can't deport them is ...... ????? Mark their passports "Convicted Criminal", deny them benefits when they are let out and, if they leave, don't let them in again.
I'd laugh if it wasn't so serious - I put the blame firmly at the feet of YOU, the electorate who keep voting for the same old Lib/Lab/Con! WHEN WILL YOU WAKE UP!
Give it a rest we deport no one.
Time to change the law ,so that all these crooks can be deported. Make it retrospective. We have enough with our own home grown criminals. If the EU does not like it then let it pay all the money that these people are costing the British taxpayer.The government needs to stand up to the EU. Be like the French and only use EU law when it suits us.
Why can't they be deported? They are breaking the law. They may be European but they are not British & it is about time we stopped being a dumping ground for every criminal gang from the East. It is high time the government acted in the best interests of Britain not in the best interests of Europe or it's criminals. We do not need these people here. They are causing mayhem & costing us dear. Make no mistake every one of us is paying for these dreadful people to stay here & have a very nice living without working. Enough is enough. They should be deported now.
Deport them, if France can deport people so can we.The EU is a complete nonsense. Please somebody get us out .
This alone should be reason enough to get out of the EU, but if you give me enough time, I could list about another 100 why Europe gives us nothing, but takes everything. When did agreeing to a 'common market' suddenly become handing over control of our country to unelectable bullies?? How is it that France can taken a tough stance on unemployed Europeans, and rightly boot them back to their country of origin, yet we are told that we cannot restrict benefits to any European who choses to come here to stop the practice of 'benefit shopping'. Why would any Roma stay in Romania where there are no benefits when they can come here? (Clearly none are going to head to France now!) There should be a law decreeing that any European citizen convicted of a crime, should be deported to his country of origin and can be refused entry back to the country where the crime was commited.
Get rid, end off! Why do we have to be so tolerant? It just gets worse!
So this is why my family and I have been paying excessive tax for most of our lives............ Keep em coming, I DO NOT THINK! Pack em off these people just breed trouble.
Obtained National Insurance numbers ,how many "Ghost Workers" are there,more and more need for "FOOL"PROOF Identity Cards.
They will all be entitled to council houses and full UK benefits on leaving prison.
to Anne, Christchurch, NZ I hope that the 'marriages' have been annuled and the bride and groom deported. Love your sense of humour.
The liberals and the EU are a cancer on our society and a barrier to anything which would improve our society including Vince Cables half baked idea not to cap immigration because it would 'harm' the economy, what drivle. They want to scrap our nuclear subs when N Korea and Iran are building theirs up and deny us the use of the new super carriers which would give our island and our troops valuable protection. This issue highlights exactly what is wrong with this country and its got a capital E and a capital U! Put this scum in a crate back to eastern Europe and sod the E U.
Cameron will change nothing. There is nothing he can do. The UK is in the EU. Cameron is not answerable to the people either. His interests lie in business and pleasing the city. He also wants Turkey (as reported in the Daily Mail) to become an EU member. UK OUT of the EU ASAP......
They would laugh there socks off in France after reading this story, Can't deport ,don't be so stupid.......
Of course the judge can deport them, under a European Court of Justice ruling "the health and safety of EU citizens supercedes any treaty obligations." This means criminals from other EU countries can be deported back to their country of origin if they put the citizens of their host country at risk, it supercedes those criminals right to movement within the EU.
Deport them and be dammed, for Gods sake how much more do we have to put up with before stupid politicians realise what is going wrong with this country, mainly due to the EU interfering.
A peasant human being is the cleverest of all animal species.. A politician and his administration associate.....Well, they are something else.. NO CONTEST!!
Only UK law abiding hardworking people should be allowed to live in Great Britain. Criminals should be deported,
its time we came out of the EU and sent all these people home no matter where they come from, we dont need these people cameron listen to the people for a change bring our troops home and close our borders do what the french have the guts to do, stand up for the british for a change
For pete's sake, just throw them out! Come on Cameron, grow a pair!
The immigration system here gives an open door to every kind of corrupt fraudster who comes for the benefits and then operates massive money frauds.They're from everywhere...WHEN WILL IT STOP...What law says we have to accept criminals ?? Also anyone who gets in even legally should be deported as soon as they commit any crime...no rights,no loopholes,no appeals. etc..JUST THROW THEM OUT ON THE NEXT FLIGHT/BOAT.....The govement just seems to ignore this huge problem.....dopey Vince Cable even says there's no need for a cap on immigration !!!! I rest my case....WAKE UP CAMERON,.....
The UK is the worlds biggest laughing stock, I can confirm that from Asia, where I spend most of my time. You havn,t a hope in hell that Cameron and Boy Blunder will do anything about this kind of thing,
While we remain in the EU it MUST be made mandatory for ALL foreign criminals to be deported with no access to the Human Rights Act. We must, of course, get out of the EU as soon as possible. To that end, as a life-long Conservative voter I intend to vote for the UKIP at the next general election. The UKIP may not get enough seats to form a government, but they sure as hell can get enough seats to hold the balance of power and to scare the **** out of the Lib/Lab/Cons.!!
Come on Cameron, make it possible for this scum to be deported, we don't want any foreign criminals allowed into or stay in our country. We the people gave you the opportunity to become the PM to look after our interests, now start doing it.
So surely in the event of security, we should be able to say who we want in the UK or are we really that weak and pathetic that our politburo bends down to Brussels. Sarkozy you are wanted here.
Immigration is good for the country says Vince cable explain this away.Camerooon said he would cap it no sign of that so far.
In the final event if he could have been deported it would make no difference. He would have been back in this land of milk and honey in no time at all. With a succession of gutless governments don't expect change in your lifetimes. Glad to say I have seen the best of it. Am now observing the rapid downward spiral of life in Britain
Perhaps its time to give the courts the power to deport theses criminals as the Politicians havenÂ’t got the guts to do it. But then I am sure the bleeding hearts would say its against their human rights. If I still lived in Britain I move to France as they seem to have got the right idea. I hope immigration are making a serious effort to track theses brides and grooms down to immediately deport them, as they have committed a crime within the U.K.
Excuse me, but why can't they be deported? Any other country would send this scum packing so why don't we ? But no, we have to put them in prison and the taxpayer has to fork out for their food and lodgings. - Sue V, Hextable, Kent, UK, 28/9/2010 22:17 Unfortunately Sue, the UK isn't the only Country that fails to deport criminal immigrants, and illegals. The USA has approximately 13 million illegal immigrants, many of which receive welfare benefits, pay no taxes, are a drain on the US taxpayers. Those that commit crimes are either sent to jail, or get lenient sentences, or just never brought to justice. Australia does much the same, it seems there are no politicians anymore that have the gumption to apply the law and deport these types that have no intention of integrating into our societies and abiding by the laws of the land they come to live in.
No British Government, has ever been given the Consent of The British People, either to join the EU, or to import millions of Foreign Nationals!
Something's wrong when the US can refuse to allow a teenager to ever even ENTER their country for sending a rude email to their president, yet someone can come along and commit serious crimes in our country and still be allowed to live here when it's not their birth country. What is going on there??? I'm betting other countries like the US are laughing their ass off at us and the way our immigration/border controls work. I would be, but given I'm living here the only way I could laugh would be in sheer despair.
I hope that the 'marriages' have been annuled and the bride and groom deported.
I'm sure most of the population think the same, so why can't the laws be changed?
this are the fools that make genuine couples go through hell. i hope they get more for bad behaviour in prison
Once upon a time, in the days of real British justice and immigration rules, immigrants were welcomed to the UK. They showed that they were willing to work hard, integrate, be law abiding citizens, learn the language, settle here and contribute to the British economy. Those were the real hard workers who kept their heads down and adapted to the British way of life. If a lot of immigrants being accepted today by the UK are corrupt troublemakers like the above who serve no purpose to our country and are in fact a drain on our economy, why isn't there anyone in government with the backbone to put a stop to these people once and for all?
I doubt it very much
Excuse me, but why can't they be deported? Any other country would send this scum packing so why don't we ? But no, we have to put them in prison and the taxpayer has to fork out for their food and lodgings.
He does have the right to recommend deportations, irrespective of their native country.. Obviously this judge does not understand the law.
My understanding of the EU free movement laws is that they allow free movement within the EU but a country may expel an individual if they commit a serious crime - unless I am wrong the UK can expel them and mark them up as undesirables... after all the UK does still have border controls!
If we cannot deport these convicted foreigners I have to ask why not ? Its seems to me we are no longer in control of our own frontiers. Its time to stop this lunacy and give us the right to vote on wether we wish to stay or leave the EU and take our own affairs in hand
What a wretched mess we're in with this EU lark. Time we got out now.
The French would kick them out - and keep them out.
And Judge Martin Steiger, sitting at Manchester Crown Court, told him: 'If it was up to me to decide, you would be deported to your home country and never allowed back.' So just do it - it's what the public wants, forget the lousy govt's who keep letting them stay. We want rid and are the only ones who really count. We pay for it all.
kick them out ... like us all we live in home and pay taxes !!!! if they want to live in streets then they are welcome to go to where they come from , here it's NOT the way we live !!!! weak gouvernment .................
They're not daft. If they wait there long enough they'll be housed. I'm sure most countries would bundle them in the back of a car and MAKE SURE they were on the plane back. It's so sad we have to show such little compassion to our fellow human beings however these memorials are of huge importance to us Brits and don't want them desecrated. These people are a nuisance. They were begging at the Notre Dame in Paris when I was there. You have to watch your bags and pockets. I don't know anyone that would give a penny to them. Unfortunately it's only going to get worse. May I just add, the huge majority of Polish people who reside here work like dogs, are hugely bright and well spoken and are a credit to their home nation. Don't tar all Eastern Europeans with the same brush.
This is bloody disrespectful and it offends me. Its about time the Uk maned up and told these people to bugger off,. If they have no money or no where to live and no job then they dont come here. I have never seen anything like this in my life.
Lol at people blaming the Tories, this is labours doing if you remember rightly !
one way ticket
Enough is enough our small island can't take anymore, we are stretched to the limits, the NHS, schools, housing and employment. We are a laughing stock it must stop now!!!!
Instead of the DM constantly stirring this pot - and other similar pots - why doesn't it actually DO something about it. Start a campaign, hassle MPs whatever. Or would that be too much to expect?
If you say you don't want them here you're racist and if you try and send them back there's do-gooders who'll jump up and down shouting and fund legal support that'll drag on for years and cost this country a fortune.......while our own less well off are struggling to make ends meet.
All the people say give them a home.How about you let them live with you and you can pay for them if your so soft hearted and thats the problem sorted.Hmmm the silence would indicate a big no.Hypocrites
this makes me proud to be british..........
No other country would put up with this!
They are waiting for benefits and housing.
Poor Matthias. Imagine what life these people had back home that makes sleeping rough seem like a good alternative.
Remove all rights to benefits for five years then sit back and watch the exodus. - Ron, Birmingham, 6/9/2013 13:42 --------- Homeless people do not get benefits, due to them not having any fixed address.
A government with no backbone = A country left to self destruction. They just don't get it. The British people are sick and tired of our country being used as the dumping ground for the rest of the world. We are the ONLY EU country that tolerates anything and everything.
GO HOME!!!!
Easy touch England. Nothing Great in Great Britain anymore. So sad.
It's too late to moan about it, they're here. The more educated have been warning about this for years and yet the British electorate kept voting in the same old way. And guess what, there are a load more coming soon. If you don't like it, vote for one of the parties who will stop it, otherwise stop grumbling like a bunch of old women. There are people out there that could stop this, either join them, or live with it. Because quite frankly just bleating on about it, with solve nothing.
Instead of wasting money on imperialistic buildings, that should be spent on housing. Govt wrong again...build affordable housing. Especially in parks of london.....result would be few homeless and reduced house prices!!!!
errr if I dropped a sweet wrapper I might face a hefty fine....
"immigrants were offered free flights back to their home country" I'm sorry but there is no choice in this....force them on a plane and be done with it! If you're here illeaglly you should be chucked out!
One word is all that is needed - - UKIP !
Clean this country up Mr Cameron and get rid of all the rubbish.
Disgusting. They shouldn't be given a choice. Just send them home
Only a matter of time before they are sleeping on the back Benche's at the House of Commons ! Chortle Chortle Chortle
there's me thinking that they come here get a load of benefits straight away and a nice council house. strange way to live if that's true
If they are so obviously sleeping and living in these spots, then where are the immigration department? Why have they not swooped in whilst they were sleeping and taken them to a holding area and sent back to their own country with a red arrow on every computer system that will stop them from returning. It's hardly rocket science and yet immigration seem unable to comprehend even the simplest of actions.
why do we not charge them (there are many statutes that can be used if the authorities had the guts), get them convicted in all-night sittings in magistrates courts, put them all on a bus, take them across the channel and drop them off? Oh and take their full details AND fingerprint them so that if they are caught again or try and get in the Border Agency will be able to deal with them - which they cannot at the moment!! Any clothing left lying about is an offence under the litter acts - so pick it all up and burn it - no ifs or buts! The well funded pity-me industry will no doubt use the HRA to try and stop it - but since we are not doing anything other than giving them a free trip back to france - tell me what is inhuman about that! PS Fully agree with most of the above too!
Welcome to cameroons uk.He does nothing about it ,but wants to attack Syria,putin is on the mark,nobody but immigramnts is bothered about Britain.
I watch from afar and I shiver !...............
What an awful mess this country is in.
edward heath started this when he RAMMED the uk into the common market (EU) tony and gordon made things worse dave WILL NOT TACKLE THE PROBLEM only U K I P will vote how you will but think of your children and granchildren
UKIPS not the answer..can they gaurantee they will stop imigration,read their manifesto first.
"Why aren't the Left Wing Loony Liberals campaigning for the Government to give them each a house,- Dave , Alicante Spain" - Er this is why the bedroom tax was introduced and why our young people are no longer being given social housing, so the Lib-Lab-Con can give the housing to them!
pick them up and send them back to where they came from. Don't give them a chance to shout HUMAN RIGHTS. This country is going down the pan fast.
ship 'em back
The various local fire services need extra training exercises and should conduct them at those sites which are in danger of damage from careless fires started inadvertantly by unauthorised occupants. Thus, the fire services should 'damp down' these sites, preferably at dusk and dawn, to minimise the risk of fires breaking out.
Where is the compassion?? These people are homeless , they sleep on the streets. How is that OK in any circumstance. You wouldn't let your dog sleep out in the street so why is it OK for these people??
Time to send in the forty per cent of police not investigating crimes, to round them up and ship them out!
Ian, London. its not only the middle class who work. not everyone working class have 10 children and do not work. ignorant
I'm hoping for a harsh winter
Why don't they go home the UK is a third world country now,they are better of back home.
You should not get access to this country if you don't have a job to go to, or a job that can support you.. go home !!!!
My God what is wrong with you all?? can you imagine having it so bad that you rather sleep on our cold streets (our month long freak heat wave aside) than in your own home?! I can't. Have a heart DM readers and no that doesn't mean we should 'let them all in' just show compassion. Nadya , Canvey Island, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:22 ++++++Excuse me but I USED to have compassion but enough is enough and I have been driven to this by seeing my own nation being ground down. And Nadya I bet there are thousands and thousands who have had to go down the same route,
Nadya, Canvey Island. If you feel so sorry for them, let them into your garden and clear up the said mess the next day..It is one thing to have nowhere to sleep but another to leave litter and disrepect behind .
@Nadya , Canvey Island, United Kingdom I guess from your name you're also from this neck of the woods otherwise you wouldn't have such a big heart? The UK, or any other country, is not a dumping ground for people without the means to support themselves or
get them arrested and deported...forget human rights and the EUSSR, simple.
Xenophobe much? no? what would you call this?
Get them ALL on a boat and back across the channel NOW but sadly they won't prob. get a house soon !!!!!
I would like to officially thanks Tony Blair and Gordon Brown for everything they did for this country.
Chuck them all out, we have no room. They are NOT adding anything to the country, they are taking it away.
The only people let in should be tourists, business visitors, those visiting family and those who are relocating to work. We have a major problem in housing our own homeless without importing them.
No good deed goes unpunished!
Where are all the human rights crowd who I thought they would be helping these people and maybe clearing up the mess they make. No to busy talking about it rather than becoming involved with the dirty end of the stick, whilst nice and warm in their nice house's. It is their fault we are in such a state in the UK.
Isn't the E.U. wonderful. Much more Europe please.
My wife is Bangladeshi and she studied and worked 5 years in London. At the end she returned to Bangladesh because the Cameron government made it almost impossible for educated and hard working tax paying non-European (!) people to stay and work in the UK (my wife NEVER asked for benefits). But at the same government welcomes lazy drug using rubbish from Eastern Europe to disturb the common people, spoil the system and plunder the UK. Good luck UK!
Asylum, Immigration...........where we were once so tolerantnd welcoming now we are just plain p'd off and exploited! Vote UKIP and stop the insanity destroying our country!
Ms May has been too busy targeting and destroying the family lives of respectable hard working tax paying British citizens and families with a non EEA spouse by denying them a UK visa. Which she doesn't do with EEA nationals. If Ms May got her priorities right and tackled the real immigration problems this would not happen!
If they are immigrants without jobs or homes then the best thing is to send them back to their own countries. Aid money we spend abroad should be diverted to this, also deporting illegal immigrants. However, the issue of rough sleepers in London is a difficult one. I used to work in a gallery on the Bankside a few years ago and we used to find rough sleepers outside the front doors in the morning. The front of house manager was very kind and used to give them coffee and biscuits, but he would also tell them they had to pack up and leave. At that point most galleries were charging entrance fees, so we would have had no visitors and would have lost about 10k in vital revenue. Telling people to go made us feel awful though.
And that's why I moved to Australia!- Shaz , New Zealand, 06/9/2013 13:17 --------- don't you mean New Zealand?
just please vote UKIP! ...all three other parties,& they really do not care! Calcined Bauxite ,13:22------ Agree with most of your comment EXCEPT for the Ukip bit. Do you think they are any better than this lot? They are politicians after all. Next time you see the UKip candidate - ask how long it will take to come out of the EU (for which I am 100% in favour). They will NOT mention about "SEVEN YEARS"!!
just tourist coming to see the royals.
"and one hangs his coat on a peace sculpture" for crying out load folks, PIECE!! - Bob, Redditch Bangkok, 6/9/2013 11:30------------------------------------------hahahahahahaaaaaaa!!!! my word, how EMBARRASSING!!!i'm cringing for you!
And immigration is still classed as good for the economy.How can it be good,when we have this problem
What the heck! Kick them back to where they came from - sod PC.
Captain Steve- arrest them and then what? Put them in our warm jails where they are fed and watered with our tax payers money?
put them on a bus to Tony Blair's house or any of the old Libour cabinet, this is what they all planed. Not Fit to govern, ever. Come on down UKIP
How about a reminder that basically, what these people are is POOR??? Nobody sleeps on the streets because they choose to! Does it disturb you to see poverty when you have your latte macchiato in the morning? Is it ruining your mood? Sure, it's better to see pretty flowers then hungry homeless people. And on top of everything, they are not even British! I mean, we could somehow tolerate the poor if they are British. But foreign poverty? That is really not acceptable. What if you would lose all your material possessions tomorrow and people would be disgusted at you because you sleep on the street, what would you do? Run after them and say, no, don't hate me, I am British not eastern European?
Any immigrant with no job, place to stay or enough money to support themselves should be turned around at point of entry and deported. We have enough benefit scroungers that would rather live on benefits than work,
Blame the bankers
Why do we struggle in stopping these people from coming here..we live on an island!!!
Good grief! its publicised and nothing is done. Get them out!
Just move in some armed guards and dogs and that should do the trick.
Thank the politicians and the Human Rights Bill for the mess this country is in. Have you noticed that it never affects the people who have created the mess.
so take and incinerate any 'rubbish' they find hidden in bushes and at night get the pressure hoses out to 'water' the gardens.
Get rid - problem solved. Vote UKIP.
Meanwhile Cameron is in Russia telling everyone what a wonderful country Britain is.
Well it's only set to get worse. But don't worry according to our politicians we need them, what for I do not know but they are good for industry apparently.
It's time to close the doors to our once great nation!
My beautiful country as I knew it is no longer we fought off the Germans in the last world war so we could live in peace only to be let down by our own successive governments my god my for fathers would be turning over in there graves if they were able to witness the fiasco in theses troubled times and those that sacrificed there lives would be wondering what on earth for.?
And Cameron's more worried about what's happening in other countries than his own...Tories OUT!
Shouldn't there be a export trade in this to the Eastern European nations whose property they are.
Third World UK and being sold out by every greedy politician with their hands in the till.
Surely it is against human rights to take their crack pipe of them Tut Tut
Roll on winter.
so many gave there lives for this country if only they could see it now, they would think why did I bother.
IF they dont accept the free ticket home from the UK taxpayers.... send em to russia to sleep on the streets..
Why do we tolerate this? - Angered , Manchester, 06/9/2013 13:17---------- Because we are fooled into thinking we live in a democracy...but we dont...
If this is what happens when it is illegal for them to stay, what does anyone think will happen when we can't keep them out?
The idea that people can move freely around the EU is a good one, but I'm sure it was meant to benefit the countries involved, not end up leaving them being a dumping ground for all sorts of people. My friend in China, who could, given the opportunity teach Chinese, or even maths in England, will have to jump through so many hoops to be able to remain here. The criteria to be allowed to stay in this country should apply to everyone from whatever country they come from. That way we can control who enters
I've stayed a while in the uk for my studies... it deeply saddens me to see such foreigners misbehaving on, well, foreign turf. It's a great country if not for all these trash!
SOMEONE SAVE US FROM IDIOT DAVE! ..... - nr , wigan, 06/9/2013 13:23............In case you hadn't noticed, the rot started when Dave was still in short pants.
THANKYOU TONY BLAIR
Tony and Cherie Blair have lots of open spaces in their various properties, try camping out there. But on a serious note, this is the changing face of Britain, instigated by Labour and the Europhiles, nothing will change for the better until we ditch the corrupt EU and it's unelected stooges along with those MPs who would take us into a FEDERAL EUROPE.
Dave - you must get your priorities right and get things sorted at home.. These rumblings of discontent are getting louder by the minute.
if the law of this country dont do nothing about it, then dont moan about it, after all we let them in to run riot so only one person to blame, these foke have no money no job no home, WHY ARE THEY HERE
The answer to all this is simple ,give us our referendum on our continued membership of the EU now,be,fore we are completely taken over For once Cameron listen to the people instead of surrendering us to Europe.
Beautiful London is now the pits.
we have got the same in France.....
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing. - Ken Draper, Amersham, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 12:55 They probably were the Westminster Council litter people. It has all been privatised and they now impose fines for littering, so they have got us both ways, no where to place litter, no one to clear up and we then get fined!
CAMERON you gutless muppet. Kick them out
Cleaning up used condoms and human excrement - just about says it all. How much lower can this Country sink ?
I, along with everyone else, am fed up with immigrants but, I get angry when Brits keep blaming Cameron for what's happening! It was Blair that originally opened the flood gates so that he would get the votes and, it was Brown, who then sold us out by signing the EU treaty. I agree that we need to cut the amount of money sent in foreign aid but, in this country, Cameron can do nothing at the moment, and frankly, UKIP if they ever get in, may try and halt future immigration but, I can't see them being able to change the damage already done by Labour, either! Just remember at the next election that votes for UKIP may make you feel better but, I seriously don't think they would get the leadership and, you will just be strengthening Labour's hand again!!
I blame Blair and Brown - they started this process. In the history of or geat counrty, have any other two individuals done more damage?!
Send them home, whatever the consequences. Immigrants like them cannot contribute to our society!!
Send them back to the EUROPEAN country that they came from, no human rights issues, no wars going on therefore no reason to put up with them !!
Water cannon should clear the detritus, try it!
The Gov has to get real and close, or get control, of the UK borders. The police should go in and round them up and then we should depot them. They are bringing nothing to the UK.
at least without an address they cant claim benefits - Ian Edwards, nottingham, United Kingdom, 06/09/2013 12:23 Lovely to see your readers are as compassionate as ever! These people aren't using heroin (unlike the 'usual' residents) aren't causing aggro and are just trying to better themselves - unlike a lot of 'natives' Why not look on the bright side, Mr Edwards - at least they're using condoms, so there won't be many damned single mothers or child benefit claimants... Oh I forgot, we already have millions of those!
THEY SHOULD GO TO CARLTON TERRACE AND SET UP CAMP ON ALL BLAIRS OTHER PROPERTIES, TO SEE WHAT HE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY HOPING HIS DREAM OF BEING PRESIDENT OF EUROPE WOULD BE HIS PRIZE.
This is disgusting. Take them to their embassy and get them to sort out their own people.
The council really needs to step in and set these people up with some homes. - Johnny260 , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:19------------------------------------------------------------------- What a load of tosh name one country a British person can walk into and be given a free home, why dont you take some into your house as you are so generous.
THANK YOU LABOUR ANYONE MOANING JUST REMEMBER WHO CAUSED THIS AND VOTE UKIP
They'll be joined by plenty of homeless Brits in the coming months. Thanks, IDS!
Get them out now. Lets stop this now because we will start having to look at dodgy ugly shanty towns.
Disgusting blight on all of our lives, to be honest I'm struggling to think of what they can contribute to our economy.....nope still nothing. No job with paid contributions, no home, no English = no room here I'm afraid. At the end of the day this is costing us tax payers money cleaning up the mess they leave and having to send the police in to move them on frankly I'd rather public monies are directed to a more positive use.
Because, like many people who come to this country, they don't care about our way of life, our traditions, our history, or what we hold dear. They just want money, money, money and we give, give, give!
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to **************. strangely enough you do, but for some reason Britain don't follow their own rules ???
taking the place of british vagrants who will not doss down there? well done tony gordon and dave look what you have not done
tHIS IS A RESULT OF VOTING LABOUR FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.ROUND THEM UP AND SEND THEN HOME
I would love to see them pitch up at the Blairs residence and leave their filth for them to rot in!!
welcome to dog-hole britain........
Have you seen that programme ,,, the UK BORDER AGENCY ......it makes me laugh , its the best comedy ever written......and their staff are the best comedians ever produced,
I know the police are raiding and moving them on quickly - but they are only moving them onto another spot, so it's just a vicious circle. If they have no home, they can't get a job, if they can't get a job they have no money, if they have no money they turn to crime to survive.
If this is your definition of Eastern-Europeans, I suppose the Brits are all loud, uneducated, disrespectful, misbehaving, drunken lager-louts who happily throw their hotel furniture out of their window - as we see them here, in Eastern Europe.
'If they're not there, if we move their sleeping bags like we are told to, some guys get angry.' ============================== They get angry if you move their sleeping bags ? ! What do they think this is - claim staking Klondike or what ?
Maybe Dave can stick it right up Putin and show these pictures as an example of current British success and why he should be taken seriously.
Labour's new voter base.
A disgrace. That people are sleeping rough irrespective of where they choose to sleep
Kick them all out and deal with EU reaction Later. It will be years of talk or hot air.
This is the European Union for you!!! Or once great Country!!!!! Patricia, Romsey
Get them out!
Catch them. Deport them. No appeals No Lawyers. No problem.
Why can't they be left alone?! - Tandoori Nights , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 13:17 ............... So you wouldn't mind getting up one morning to find them camped in your front garden, then, complete with detritus and human waste?
Hopefully they'll all disappear off home come autumn when it starts raining constantly and turns really cold. Not sure they're going to be happy sleeping in a soaking wet sleeping bag. No doubt they'll become ill and then will be using up NHS resources.....
I've just returned from the clean, optimistic, city of Chicago. I'm ashamed of this dumping ground that is the UK. UKIP is the only answer to our burgeoning problems.
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to Britain? - BayouLimey , Baton Rouge, United States, 06/9/2013 13:18 Because we're part of the EU! If were independent like the USA we could refuse them entry!
Send your thanks to people to continually vote LibLabCON and fail to understand the word 'democracy'.
If they have nowhere to stay - pass a law or do whatever is necessary to order them to go back whence they came, finger printing them when they came to the UK would have helped but I understand this isn't being done- why?
Yet again another reason not to vote for Cameron. UKIP is our last and only hope. Cameron will promise to act but every promise he made has been broken.
Bloody well kick them out. What is wrong with us. We're a "little island" quote, unquote. Leave whatever political groups we are in as a nation that says we have to "cow Tao" and start again before its too late.
The coat on the hook is cute.
At around eight o'clock the group packed up their sleeping bags and blankets and stashed them in bushes that lie directly in front of the museum............................if they stash their sleeping bags and blankets during the day why not just burn them........
Blair's Britain...!! The free dustbin of the world at tax payers expense!
Remove all rights to benefits for five years then sit back and watch the exodus.
You can thank ALL the left wing hand wringers for this mess, if this is what social cohesion and tolerance is all about, then I want none of it............UKIP your time is NOW!
Why are they letting in people with no jobs, money or accommodation? Can you imagine going to America like this - you would never ever be allowed in.
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing. - Ken Draper, Amersham, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:55 - KEN YOU'RE COMMENT MADE MY DAY, I LAUGHED, YOU ARE SO RIGHT, HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
They look rather clean and tidy to me.....DM can't help winding up its readers who by chance fall for this BS every time...well the gullible ones do.....
Chill, they'll leave soon, as soon as their nice new council houses have been refurbished and the benefits they've claimed start pouring in they'll be out of the way.
Round em up and stick them on the ferry
Next it will be Buckingham Palace,
Referendum on the EU rather than scrabbling to send bombs into Syria David Cameron???
How about sending them to Scotland if they are so keen on leaving the Union and joining the EU. They can then have them all. Thank you TW London Good to show we are all in this together you really make me want to stay in the United Kingdom...FREEDOM....
Wow! Well for all of you in your cosy little lives not being forced to seek better circumstances. All they need now is for for shallow selfish people to mock them and claim the ground they sleep on. I find this incredibly sad. I doubt any will say they chose to end up like this!
They can't even build up or improve their 'own' country - what use are they to ours?.
If they are out of work with no where to go, how did they end up in Britain???? Go home!
Kick them out.
How is this allowed??
Reduce the numbers in both Houses of Parliament and double our Border Control staff
Isn't it about time we had the bottle to sent them back where they came from if they cant support themselves, we don't here of Brits doing this in their country
Eagle eyes, London 13.08 Yes, you would think Cameron would use common sense and do that, yet he must abide by EU Dictatorship rules of allowing free entry into UK to ALL from other EU countries. The only time we can get rid of any of them is if they are wanted under an arrest warrant, then they can be deported. Otherwise they can remain here for ever, but Cameron will not be telling the public that.. UKIP ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL END THIS MADNESS AND TAKE BACK CONTROL.
And they said it wouldn't happen. Never mind, our Liberal coalition partners must have a plan in place. That's why we voted them in.
Doubt they would stick around if the police moved in and had the Fire Brigade hose them down regularly. If they cry, 'Human Rights', escort them to the airport or docks and ship them out.
The people are slowly waking up ! even in America they are questioning their leaders . I am too old now to make a physical stand ( did that in the 1960's ) so I am now bombarding my MP and the Government with e mails . Even if they don't read them in person, we know a big doughnut in Cheltenham that will be reading them , SHUT our BORDERS once and for all , we can look after our own country thank you very much , we do not need 500,000 immigrants every year , we have many young people to do the work . AND MR CAMERON , if they will not work , then they should starve . THERE never was and never will be a free lunch !
SHUT THE DAMN DOOR! is this what b-LIAR meant by immigrants benefitting our country, it seams that immigrants are the only ones who 'benefit' from this disgusting dumping ground the eu and it's rules and our duplicitous government have turned OUR country into. France threw these people out if only we had some patriotic adults in government we could do the same. VOTE UKIP.
Russia dismissed Britain as 'just a small island no one pays any attention to." After looking at these photo's, I can see how the Russian and the rest of the world think this way about Great Britian. What have you done to our beautiful country David Cameron? ----- Marg, Melbourne, 6/9/2013 12:49 ----------------Cameron may not have done a lot to correct it but it was Blair and Brown who deliberately messed up by "rubbing the right wing's nose in it " -their words.
Only the Daily Mail could care more about a monument than the fact that people are homeless.
If we stopped giving unwarranted and thankless financial aid to countries like India/Pakistan to nurture their space programs we would be in a better financial situation to just round up this scum and send them packing PRONTO.
This country lets anybody in, come on over lads - Britain is an open house.
I went on a Chiltern train from Birmingham to London 2 weeks ago with my sister who is nearly eighty and visiting me from Australia, the train was full of people speaking their own language and lots of small children taking up many seats as we stood There was food all over the tables and floor and I felt embarrassed that a train that in the passed was a delight to go on was like a third world transport My sister was horrified and did not feel well after such an unpleasant journey and was pleased to be traveling back to Australia
its now that europe could/should work - if we stand fast with france and germany we would have so much more weight in the world - the 3 countries make an economic superpower and britian-france makes a military superpower - yes i know, red arrows, cos you don't like forigners !
Go home. We have no homes for you, no jobs for you, no place for you...we do not want you. Go home....sorry if that sounds too 'right wing' for some, but time to wake up and smell the coffee. We're a busted flush for those already here: total national debt, current and expected, matching that of the Weimar Republic. We're on borrowed time with our NHS, welfare and pensions. There IS no room at the inn. When the proverbial does hit the fan - and it will in the not too distant future, with debt projected to double within five years - we're all done for, both the drivers and the passengers. Sorry, but open arms are a luxury we can no longer afford. The gates are closed, the doors bolted: find another mug. We've been haemorrhaging money for almost a hundred years through this misguided notion of the 'welfare state' - it's bad enough being bled by our own: you will bleed us no more. Go. Home.
Damned if you help them guilty if you don't.
Does any politican care about this country and the people that pay their salaries and tax. This should be top priority clear them out never mind their human rights, anyone with any decency would do this to monuments and the like. Needs to be sorted as soon as they arrive no good six months down the line when they are fully settled in.
Terrible. They should be housed in a taxpayer funded house for the time being...
If you want to stop this then get out and vote in 2015. Dave and his dog will never grow a pair and will continue to let anyone in.
Employ men to patrol parks and turf this riff-raff out as soon as they settle down. If this type of behaviour is allowed to continue, things are going to get very ugly in the near future. The British are a patient people, but they will only put up with so much. That "so much" is very close now.
How is it right that a country cannot prevent vagrants, beggars and the mentally deranged from entering our nation to ruin it? Oh, it's called the EU. Ofcourse Romania and Bulgaria want to join, it's a win win situation for them and lose lose for us. As usual! Sick to the back teeth of it.
Ruins everything that Britain once stood for... but that's alright Cameron, you just deal with Syria... Because that's OUR! biggest problem at the moment... Oh wait.
dont worry esstern europeans just try get use to the weather not long left until you can stay forever! and u ll be staying at richest areas in london meanwhile im buying my parents a property in another country
Why are our politicians so gutless?if there isn't a law against vagrancy,stop dithering and damn well pass one
They must be better off in their own country than here living like that!
Reason 8 billion to vote ukip
Okay so there is dog poo, used condoms and a crack pipe found in a Public space. How is this tied to Eastern Europeans, I don't get it ? Are we saying they all brought their dogs with them and get enough money off the social to but crack with ?
Your comments:no worries, they gonna be there only for 3 months after that they entitled to start claiming benefits :-)
Outrageous - deport them all!
After the vote against military action in Syria our leading political leaders said the UK must consider its position as a WORLD POWER. Yet we can't even control these immigrant vagrants. But our Parliament could rush through the gay marriage bill. Nothing like getting your priorities right is there Dave?
These people who comment about DM readers not being compassionate. Well just remember we DM readers are part of the majority of Middle Class England who have to pay for this mess. Not you. And also remember if the majority think this way then maybe you could be wrong in your views. Easy to be an idealist goody goody 2 shoes isn't it. I mean I would like everyone to have money and nice houses etc. and no starvation or wars in the world but it's never going to happen is it and people like you are part of the reason it won't.
round 'em up and ship 'em out
Won't affect the politicians who live behind their iron gates and travel in their chauffeur driven cars! Sorry guys. you will just have to put up with it!
All courtesy of EU Dictatorship membership!, things will only get worse till we get OUT!.
It's long past time to ask: WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED TO YOUR SPINE, BRITAIN?
How come they are allowed in the country without a job, accomadation sorted, and money. Oh and isn't it wonderful this open border system. They are flooding in their droves from Britain for a better life to places like Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, who incidentley can't do enough for us over there.
We are now an international joke....
Something should be done, but nothing will be done, as long as we are members of the EU there is only one answer _ Vote UKIP in next year's EU elections and let the LIBLABCON know what you want with only UKIP MEPs representing Britain in the EU parliament next year .
My parent come to visit me as I work here. I feel really embarrassing when they saw many homeless people sleep in such a lovely spot! That not what they imagine about UK!!
Absolutely astonishing that the UK is one of the richest nations in the world, yet we allow homeless migrants fowling our streets without batting an eyelid, it's about time Theresa May listened to the electorate and sorted our borders, immigration and many other issues, this country cannot cope with the mass influx of migrants and the migrant baby boom, we as a nation are being placed on the back burner by our own politicians and are bowing down to every nationality which walks into this country, wake up England and sort it out.
The Imperial War Museum...commemorating all those who fought and died to keep this a proud country, safe from foreign invasion...until politicians sold us all down the river.
The government don't seem interested, this country is ruined
Me here London 12.07 Dont show your ignorance there is hardly a cashpoint up here even in remotest Highlands that has not been scammed.WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY HAVE STOPPED IN london.GET OUT MORE !
So they are homeless and smoking crack in the UK. Could a government official tell which one of their immigration checks these people passed. If they didnt we all know where they are, send them home. It is so simple.
Thank you Tony Blair, for screwing up our country.
They would be cleaned out from Downing Street pretty quick!
at least without an address they cant claim benefits
We all welcome you greatly with open arms to this glorious nation. now entering is more easy.
They do have a home just not in this country
Australia's got it right, you have money in the bank and a trade before they even CONSIDER letting you in! - SOMEONE SAVE US FROM IDIOT DAVE!
Close the gates... We are full!
Should be easy to resolve this problem. I assume the land is private, not public property. If so, arrest these people for trespass. If it is public land then arrest them for littering. Either was, the law has been broken and to ignore this is just a form of discrimination against the British people. Captain Steve
Being balanced, it doesn't matter whether they're Afghans, Somalians, Polish, Latvian, Romanian, etc. ALL people since the dawn of time have migrated to improve their lot, better their lives, live off the fat of other lands. I don't blame these people. However, when our economy is messed up, the nation in debt, jobs are scarce in many cities, shouldn't we use common sense. No job after a certain period & you go home. Same should apply to British migrants in other countries. Current situation is ridiculous.
My God what is wrong with you all?? can you imagine having it so bad that you rather sleep on our cold streets (our month long freak heat wave aside) than in your own home?! I can't. Have a heart DM readers and no that doesn't mean we should 'let them all in' just show compassion.
Coming to a park or spare bit of land near you and me most likely.
It is just stating the bleeding obvious! that's what you get when groups of people "doss together! fed up of reading about it!! just please vote UKIP! its disgusting! Sticks in the throat to say it ! but what a bloody mess this country is in & there are people responsible for it! & started 25yrs ago to the present lying conniving lot!! yes all three other parties,& they really do not care! never will care! & the scams that they are up to at the moment is amazing!because of UKIP! that is what holds their attention! so expect another one of the three parties to pop their heads above the parapet & promise something about sorting that mess out!! but you know they will not!!
Immigrants were "offered" free flights home? They should be rounded up and ordered onto flights home. Instead of the government wasting millions on high speed trains, failed technology in the NHS etc and spend the money on border controls and port security to cut down on illegal I am sure anybody, whatever their political persuasion would approve.
Oh the joys of being controlled by the EU
Bring back the "normal" British summer and they'll be washed away in no time :)
SEND THEM HOME! WE'RE FULL!!
There is no great in Great Britain any longer thanks to all these rich so called educated politicians. They have systematically destroyed our once wonderful country!!
Let me run the country I would have it cleaned up within 6 months, the EU wouldn't like it though!
We should house these people ASAP. It wouldn't take much for them to join an already diverse English culture. it' s not that we would notice any significant change.
What happened to being vetted before entering a country?
The council really needs to step in and set these people up with some homes.
They should sleep rough on the doorstep of No10 Downing Street - that's where this mess emanates. - Candy, UK, 6/9/2013 12:18............No chance of that happening Candy. What do you think those big gates and policemen are there for? Good lord, we cant have riff-raff and peasants bothering Mr Cameron and his friends while they are trying to enjoy a nice tax payer funded luncheon, and discussing the next part of the EU plan to reduce this once great country of ours into a dumping ground for Europe's unwanted and undesirables.
Stuff the eu send them home
How exactly are people with no finances to support themselves allowed into the country? When I moved to the States I had to provide documentation to prove that I had enough money in the bank to support myself and that I had somewhere to live. Surely that should be the basic requirement for all non asylum seeking refugees immigrating to Britain?
Why do we let these people in? They are of no benefit to the UK.
Why do we tolerate this?
Deport them...good for nothing and a drain on resources let Poland deal with their own!!
And that's why I moved to Australia!
Why can't they be left alone?!
And it's only going to get worse after next year. Much worse. Cameron needs to get Britain out of the EU NOW. Ah, why bother? Britain has been given away long ago.
Just keep phoning the police till the system crashes then the government wil have to do something If not our country will be no better than theirs
In a civilised society no one would need to live like this. - RogerdeCourcyJones Me and the girls from the office - Jenny and Sarah - think you are COMPLETELY missing the point, son!
If they have no where to live, no form of income and are sleeping on the streets, surely its a matter of 'get out of our country', not please would you mind leaving, please pretty please, errrrrrr we will even pay. Welcome to the eu. We are very quickly becoming the toilet of Europe. Cameron, stop pouncing about with idiots like Obama and come back and sort this out. The people would respect you one hell of a lot more!
What the hell is happening to our once great country?
Donna.....you say your 100!% English Lol. Your actually a mixed mongrel made up of Roman , German , French , Danish etc etc etc that applies to all the English me included We can even be traced back to marsh Arabs ! We ENGLISH are one of the most mixed races on the planet
Disgusting! Flagrant disregard for the message of peace and the memorial to those who gave their lives.
When are the government going to say enough is enough. As long as Mr Cameron is in charge NEVER which is why i will be voting UKIP. We need to pull out of the EU simple. Why dont the governent live beside all this and see what its really like. All their rubbish everywhere. We need to be like Australia they will only let you in if you have so much money, a trade and under 45 yrs old.
They wouldn't get away with it in any other country. My god the UK is in a ridculous mess (literally!).
I am unable to understand why we cannot solve this minor issue the people who run this country are useless and spineless collect them all up put them on a bus take them to Brussels throw them off tell the EU you made the problem you deal with it. I am confident the hard working people of this country would not lose one nights sleep.perhaps we would probably give the person who gave order a job as a poliitician.
More should be done to stop this behaviour. Maybe they should get the cleaners/groundskeepers to sneak up on them early and make them clean it themselves. I hate Brussels and their stupid Human Rights rules as we wouldn't have as many immigrants without it.
One of the guns they are talking about was on a ship that my grandad served on so i find it really offensive that they are being so disrespectful of the Imperial War Museum's grounds.
The politcians tell us that we need these people to help us with the job market ???? They obviously are living in a different Britain to where I live. Parts of West London are now out of bounds to us but I have yet to see any of them making an honest pound and paying tax.
Blair's Britain!
Before people start complaining about this behaviour, remember, if you voted Conservative, Labour or LibDem, you voted for open borders and this is the consequence. - John, Portsmouth, 6/9/2013 13:06....WRONG! Regardless of how we voted, NONE of us were consulted or asked if we wanted to turn our country into a freeloaders paradise! That said, I will never vote for Lab/Lib or the Conmen again!
Why, for goodness sake, are they allowed to remain in this country? They have no jobs just pick pocketing etc. The Council should make them clear up their own mess? To hell with the EU and their ludicrous laws, it's about time we should show these useless people the door, and make mess in their own country.
For eastern Europeans , sleeping rough is like a 5 star hotel .This country is terminally sick .
We all just sit and let it happen, We vent our anger posting comments in newspapers which is not enough because the Government turns a blind eye. The clock is ticking until possibly tens of thousands more people come into the UK seeking work that does not exist so thanks to EU law they will be given benefits and housing if they have children. Time to sit and reflect as we have become a Peter and Paul nation, taking off Peter the tax payer to give to the thousands of Pauls.
Is it not time we used the Human Rights Act 1998 to our benefit? According to HRA Article 5.1 (e).....Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person. No one shall be deprived of his liberty save in the following cases and in accordance with a procedure prescribed by law:.....e)the lawful detention of persons for the prevention of the spreading of infectious diseases, of persons of unsound mind, alcoholics or drug addicts or vagrants;. If these people do not meet the description of Vagrant I don't know who does. Arrest them all and deport them immediately.
Only the UK would be stupid enough to let it happen. Go to any of their countries & try it!, a good hiding on the way to prison would be what you'd get. Come 2014, there will be 100,000's doing it, turning this country into one huge vagrants dumping ground. Pathetic!.
The Vagrancy Act 1824 is still on the books. Arrest the whole damn lot of them.
OUT OUT OUT
Blame Tony! - NIck Addison, Great Missenden sick to death of idiots like you tony has gone hes past finished blaming him isnt going to slove the problem now get it !!!! fast forward to the present - there you are - reallity check
Why not round them all up fill up a plane or two and deposit them back to where they came from at taxpayers expense, which in the great scheme of things would be cheap!!
Where do the Eastern Europeans go when winter comes and where are all the millions going to live who will arrive in the next few years? zzz!
Fantastic! So glad they setting up home in affluent areas and we can all thank B-liar and his liebour followers for this - if you want this sort of thing vote liebour if you don't vote UKIP. Dave & co can't do much about it because it was all signed and agreed, along with a load of extra money by liebour with the EU.
And of course, they cannot be send home because that would violate their human rights.
In other countries there's get thrown in a cell and fined but here we give them benefits an offer them housing. We're pathetic
Round them up and put them on the next RAF flight back to where they have come from. Stuff what Europe tells us what we can and cannot do in our own country.
Round them up and Deport them!!! Should be simple and would send the right message to any others arriving! If they have no job and no form of supporting themselves they should not be in this country.......
Outrages!
Here's an idea. If someone entering the country for anything other than a holiday has neither a job or a place to stay, send them back.
It is SHAMEFUL - but why does the person who's been instructed to move their stuff imply that she doesn't do so because the "guys get angry"?? What the heck? They SHOULDN'T BE THERE!!! Let them get angry! If they don't like, find somewhere else - preferrably in Vilnius... Hasn't the Peace Garden got a sprinkler system? If their "stuff" got a good drenching perhaps that would encourage them to move on... And don't talk about compassion... Is it compassionate to doss in a public space that's been dedicated to peace? Bah!!! UKIP will DEFINITELY get my vote!
Get out of the EU and end this maddness
SHOCK! HORROR!! Man hangs coat on granite slab. WHO CARES? Just give them council flats and be done with it. They arent any lazier than the average brit
This is awful. Do something about it cameron! Bet he wont. Waste of space.
The British employers that hire illegal immigrants get a paltry fine.Why.
Can't people see these human beings are desperate and have nothing and little to hope for
is britain now a refugee camp?
What a miserable existence they must lead. Why can't they lead it somewhere else!
so nice to see the EU in all its splendour without border cointrols, and people can travel anywhere and treat the host country as a toileyt
they manage to get here so they can manage on there own to go back.......... stop being soft cameron and grow a pair ........ at the moment they are pinhead size
How about sending them to Scotland if they are so keen on leaving the Union and joining the EU. They can then have them all.
I could weep at what's been done to our country, and everyone seems helpless to undo the damage done.
The UK government should start recharging the countries that these people come from for all the costs incurred cleaning up after them and all the other costs related to them sponging of the UK tax payer
Nowhere to go?? How about home?
Instead of get rid of these mess our interfering busy body of a prime minister wants to interfere in syrian affairs this cameroon should get his act together otherwise he will get his fingers burnt come the 2015 elections his liberal ideas does not wash with the majority
Why even bother coming here? - Big Al, Nein jan, when they are legal in jan 14, benefits, free health service , housing, there feral kids in schools,no doubt like the rest of eu migrants they will then take presidence over brits , comes to something now that police cant be called when they attack staff trying to move there just were do the supposed people in power here think its all going to end
Water cannon ...
Deduct a substantial amount from our 'overseas aid' contributions to pay for the adequate security of this area. Anyone (British / Foreign) who disrespects this area should be locked up and the key thrown away.
Cameron only likes to be on the World stage feeling important and giving our money away who cares what is happening in UK
I could not care less about Park Lane. Let the poor and rich mix, I say. But a war memorial?? No. Just NO.
NO wonder people want to vote UKIP-get out of the european community Mr Cameron.
Deduct a substantial amount from our 'overseas aid' contributions to pay for the adequate security of this area. Anyone (British / Foreign) who disrespects this area should be locked up and the key thrown away.
The British Border control really needs to tighten up! We should adopt the policies of Australia where if you cannot prove that you can fend for yourself, you do not even touch the soil!
The guy in the second pic is quite hot. And his tshirt says " sex instructor". I guess he won't be homeless for long!
Is it beyond out Border Control people to work out for themselves that we should check that someone arriving in this country on a ONE WAY ticket should be asked how they think they are going to support themselves, unless they can prove they have sufficient funds and/or a job to go to? It's what America, Australia and New Zealand do. I have a UK passport and when I arrived in Norway of all places on a one-way ticket I was quizzed for a while until my "sponsor" arrived to sort things out!
Lets hope for snow this winter, that should get rid of some.
So what happens in December when thousands come from Romania and Bulgaria, where will they all pitch camp? The government seems to be concentrating on everything but this matter despite the fact it will have a HUGE impact, so why the silence, is it because we have no power to change the EU rules? I think so, yet they can't admit it or it will give a further boost to UKIP.
The UK is a doormat in all senses of the word. It has the words welcome written on it and you can wipe your feet on it before going in.
Given how scruffy and poor these people look.. How an earth did they get into this country?!!! I just don't get it! If they came in via the back of a lorry, then they are illegals, and should be picked up daily, and thrown back to their country daily...
This country is being brought to its knees by our useless politicians many who spend time on outside jobs rather than do the job they are paid for
I'm surprised Cameron has not donated 52 million of money we have not got for humanitarian aid to these tosa's plenty room in the grounds of 10 Downing St, and at Parliament come one come all.As a well know primemister once said you never had it so good.
Welcome to LibLabCon's multi-culti utopia!!
Glad to hear they use condoms
Welcome to Britain ! Before we know it we'll all be living like this ! #bedroom tax
How can anyone go to a foreign country without anywhere to live and no job ?
Where is the respect shown to this country when they come over here and treat some of the areas in London like this. They should not be allowed in unless they have accommodation and a job to go to, its not up to us to provide for them, we have our own people that need help. Maybe instead of sending them home send them to Brussels let them sort the problem out.
In a civilised society no one would need to live like this.
well heres hoping that the only option they are given when winter kicks in is home
Just the beginning! Those in power who make these decisions, of course, do not have to look at or live near these sights.
Once their here its to late if the police arrest em what they gonna do with em? put em in a cell feed them somewhere warm to sleep they'd love it the damage is done alas it's only gonna get a whole lot worse.
And to think if all the money I've spent on hotels when in London! Why didn't anyone tell me i could set up camp in the mist exclusive areas in town????
Deport them!!
Are the big guns metal? Scrap Metal?
Your comments: Cant they sleep rough in there Country.. Long way to come just to camp. Pfft.
Thank you Labour for causing the problem and thank you Tories for not dealing with it.
If you try to sleep at Trafalgar square, you would be told in no uncertain terms to move on.
Lee , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 12:19... They can go back to their own countries for help. Why should we help them? We have enough of our own people who need help. Charity begins at home.
The homeless Lithuanian even had his washings up. This would have been hilarious if it wasn't serious. It is only the beginning. Brace yourselves for 2014
We need them to sleep rough outside Westmister, so that the EU-loving MPs (of all parties) have to step over these symbols of Freedom of Movement of Labour to get to their work ! Bottom line is that this is the cost of EU Membership - but all we hear is that Nissan might close down if we get out. NO THEY WON'T. PS I see the G20 leaders are togther....why are Baroso and Van Rumpuy there - can anyone tell me what COUNTRY they rule ?
In other countries, you have to ave a hotel or friends address to state where you will be, along with your visa.... Somehow I don't think "dissing own in the war museum" counts.... Please auK, just get real, firm and practical with these people, and round them up and kick them out!
And this is a benefit of being in the poxy EU?
The problem is Obama might see anything we do to dissuade this sort of nonsense would be seen as tyranny and we'd be bombed Don't blame the UK police for this mess, blame the politicians
West made a colossal effor to destroy USSR. Now Eastern Block countires citizens are all yours - enjoy!
Neighbours of ours have just come back from a holiday in UK. They said never again as it was filthy! I only left UK 10 years ago so what's happened to a once lovely Country?
When is the government going to get the message that the British people do not want these people in the UK?
We are finished if we stay in the EU, soon we will be completely over run. I have to vote UKIP in the next GE, they are the only party that will get us out.
Major failure of border control, this is the result of thoughtless austerity and getting rid off border officers, not only at the first point of entry, but having the man power to round these people up and ship them out. new rules of entry should include a deposit paid to the Govt to cover the return back to their country, no deposit no entry.
This is what the Vagrancy Act 1824 is for: use it! It is illegal to sleep on the street or beg. Take a leaf out of the book of the French: round 'em up, line them up immediately in front of a magistrate, convict them and put them on buses back home within 24hrs.
instead of sweeping up excrement why dont they sweep up all the immigrants and put them on a plane HOME wether they like it or not!! unbelievable what goes on in this country !
Don't expect Daveto do anything; we are already no longer a Nation that means anything in the world, just ask the Russians.
Another benefit of uncontrolled mass immigration
This is a joke,And Cameron wants invade Syria, clean you own country's mess first, No wonder Britian is not Great any more,
This is the result of EU membership. We need to leave but the majority of us will still vote liblabcon the party's that to keep us in. If you intend to vote liblabcon them don't complain about this sort of thing. If however you really want to do something positive , VOTE UKIP and persuade everyone you know to do the same. It's the only way we can start to change this country for the better.
Send a fire engine in and hose them down - keep doing that until they get the hint Not PC, neither is abusing a memorial site
And still our doors are flung open wide for all and sundry...
Tip of the iceberg, as from next year these people in their droves will be everywhere and many sleeping rough, as a regular feature all over the place, when let in under EU ruling.., The UK homeless nationals, will then pale into insignificance in comparison., fact not speculation.
Put the sign up "NO VACANCIES" we are full
AS PUTIN SAYS, LITTLE ENGLAND, Europe's dumping ground.
You can thank your government for that...
Why let these people in the country if they are not going to benefit our community
They're turning the place into a slum and I for one am sick and tired of it. Maybe they can choose Downing |Street for their next toilet
At beginning of next year all from Bulgaria and Romania can claim benefits on arrival by saying they are self employed, and bringing their families will guarantee them immediate accommodation, all courtesy of the UK tax payers. It is no use complaining because it is EU Dictatorship ruling, and pro EU leaders like Cameron may tut, tut, but will still comply. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP TO TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR COUNTRY, BECAUSE NONE OF THE OTHERS WILL, OR THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT BY NOW.
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
What do we expect, we have got no respect for our country anymore, why should we assume these lot will. So angry to see my country being pulled apart, breaks my heart to see a lovely country being ruined and nobody will do anything to stop it happening.
And the Rt. Hon Cameron announced at a meeting recently in Kazakhstan, that he personally would like to see the EU extended from "the Atlantic to the Urals!" Is this the opinion of a man who would ever lift a finger to enable the UK to leave the EU ? Never in a million years. The only politician in this country who will offer this opportunity to the electorate is Nigel Farage and UKIP. Cameron and the rest of the liars, traitors and conspirators in the ConLabLibdem consortium will destroy the UK, unless action is taken at the 2015 General Election. VOTE UKIP.
Yes I'm going to bitch again about your immigration policies. Canadian here with a fantastic work ethic - take great pride in paying my way through life through hard work and a member of the Commonwealth to boot!! Nope... can't move to England!! We only let everyone in Europe with no skills to speak of in. Thanks. Everytime I read this stuff I am INSULTED. I have wanted to live in England since I was a child and I just. simply. CAN'T. Does anyone understand this reasoning? GET OUT OF THE EU.
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214, hannover, 6/9/2013 11:46 Let them move to Hannover with you. Lets see your compassion
What ever happened to the vagrancy laws in this country? or will this upset the human rights laws? just asking. Sorry I have to say this but if they are living as vagrants surely they should be sent back to their own countries.
they should sleep on their own consulates ground until they fly them home.
MPs tell us regularly the immigration is all good. Don't tell me that they lie?!!
Russia dismissed Britain as 'just a small island no one pays any attention to." After looking at these photo's, I can see how the Russian and the rest of the world think this way about Great Britian. What have you done to our beautiful country David Cameron?
Calm before the storm, maybe this will be the straw that finally breaks the Camels back, doubt it but its time the British public grew a pair and demonstrate that enough is enough, politicians of all persuasions need to realise that your average citizen has had enough of these blatant abuses of the system, they come here with no money, no, education, can't speak the language and have no specific job skills that will benefit the UK, if Cameon put in as much effort trying to sort out these festering sores in the UK as he did trying to bomb Syria then possibly we could solve this issue, doubt he will though as he only likes to be on the world stage.
No job, no home, get rid simple really but then again country been taken over by leftie liberals who ignore majority defend minorities .
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
Doing the jobs we won't do!
Enough is ENOUGH
- terence , derby, 06/9/2013 11:54 Terence. The MPs do nothing, because their masters in Brussels will not allow them to.
How disrespectful - this needs to stop now - we are not a nation of tramps
Blair has plenty of spare rooms.
Well if the British kids are quite happy to pay hundreds of pounds and sleep rough at a music festival then these people should not be criticized. Of course they shouldn't have been allowed into the country without sufficient money to live here for at least 6 months or already have a job and I don't think begging and stealing can be classed as work. Instead blame the governments both current and the last one. If those in power can't be bothered to deal with this, then it is up to you to make a change at the next elections. People need to write to their politicians and warn them they won't be voting for them if they don't do anything about it.
Round them up and ship them out, freedom of movement within the EU did not mean this, that said they shouldn't have been allowed in the EU in the first place.
HMS UK is sinking ... when will anyone with power over my life put there by a "democratic" system that I was taught to embrace actually realise the truth...?
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
its going to get far far worse just wait until next year 1rst of January i believe another influx of immigrants, i just dont want any part of this worldwide social experiment anymore what was wrong with leaving countries as is? its not like we dont send billions to poorer countries, i want out and just having recently becoming a father im terrified as to what its going to be like in another 10 or 20 years i fear his in for a tough life an unfair one at that.
and it's only going to get worse... when will this country EVER find its backbone as regards immigration.
Will you go away.
O welcome welcome to our humble abode, if you turn left down the end of the street you will find the nearest job center where you will tell a pack of lies to collect your first dole money which you will receive fortnightly and then follow the road to your left you will see the council where you will tell even more lies to be given a free council house or flat depending on how big your whopper is and once in your own property you will be able to bring the rest of your family over to live off our country, Again, may I say a big fat welcome........... NOT!!!
Gee...thanks Labour
How on earth did they get into the UK?
The Roma complain about persecution in Romania where they behave as they do here. Bearing in mind what a soft touch the UK is and the availability of FREE Legal Aid, I see a Human Rights and compo claim coming any day now.
If we did that in Romania and abused one of their monuments in such away then we would rightly be arrested and deported, vagrancy is still a crime. Unfortunately every morning on the streets of London you see the Eastern Europeans stashing their stuff for the day before going begging and it is becoming more and more of a nuisance, as it is very aggressive begging and in a lot of cases tantamount to intimidation. This problem needs to be sorted and soon before the next influx.
The politicians should be the ones clearing up their mess every morning, not the museum staff.
These people are not homeless, they have homes in their own countries but chose to come here to try to live off our benefit system. With sights like this in a 'sacred monumental garden' is it any wonder that this country is an international laughing stock that no one takes any notice of any more.
Roll on winter and let's hope it's a really cold one.
Round them up and put them on a bus. Take them to the Romanian Consulate and let them take responsibility.
If they are not doing anything worth keeping in the country deport them back, let their own governments look after them!!!
Wait till early next year.....
Ukip them out
And it can only get worse unless we leave the EU before 2014. Round these people up and send them home, our country is full thanks to the EU which has brought us nothing but ruin.
They should go home. We don't have any room for them.
The young man who wanted to work I feel sorry for, as he has clearly been cruelly misled about the availability of jobs in Britain. The others, however, who come here with no intention of working, should never be allowed in to trash our country. If the only way to stop this is to vote UKIP, I certainly will.
Close the border to those that cannot contribute to our society or afford to live here....enough!!
Disgraceful - ROUND THEM UP AND SHIP THEM OUT- no if buts or maybe's.
No job? No home? Then go home to your own country and let them take care of you. We have a hard enough time looking after our own. Harsh, I know. But I wouldn't go their countries, sleep rough and make the place a refugee camp.
Here we go again-no wonder Putin remarked that we are of no consequence-what is going to be done about all this??We have to restore 'true' British pride!Unless of course we are all hot air....I wonder how Nigel Farage would have responded to Putin I must say Cameron looks completely downtrodden and ill at ease where are our 'staetemen' gone??
May I suggest automatic garden sprinklers to go off every couple of hours!
What is the government doing, this country is going to pot.....no more Great Britain!! something has to be done, put a stop to all this, sod the European Courts they don't live here! now our kids may have to have 3 days schooling per week due to the influx over time...........not worth having a government at all its a joke
Its called the socialist dream or as they put it the International Worker!!! It was the end if Britain as we new it the day they signed the Maastricht Treaty! And if you want to learn what they have for us in the future the study the Frankfurt School of Marxism! I can assure you those trade union leader have studied it well! That why they are desperate to fund like minded Labour Politicians!
This is what David Cameron as done for the country, more immigrants are on the way and hes not prepared to do anything about it.
I run a homeless project and have been asked by local government to open many more......homelessness is the only growth industry at the moment it seems........another tory legacy.
I'm surprised they haven't been given their Mansions in Park Lane yet, give it time for the ECHR & EU to force the government to give in and give them all the benefits.
Thousands of their countrymen and women will flood into Britain in 2014, if we all bit the bullet and Vote UKIP in 2015, by 2017 Thousands will be going back over the channel, UKIP is our last hope, mess this up and we deserve all we get. and GET IT we will.
How do these Romanians get in the country to LIVE ON THE STREETS? Yet a Canadian with a career and clean record & British born grandparents cannot get a green card in London. That's messed up. Someone there is making the wrong immigration choices
Thank you politicians all, who have led this country to the bottom of the cess pit.
Italy - Population 59,685,227, Area 116,347 sq miles, Population Density 512 / sq mile. France - Population 65,350,000, Area 246,201 sq miles, Population Density 301 / sq mile. The whole UK - Population 63,181,775, Area 94,060 sq miles, Population Density 662 / sq mile. Anyone else see a problem here? The fashionably PC lefties won't be happy until we're crammed in like sardines. We're Europe's dumping ground for people like this; no wonder the Russians said what they did, decades of inept leadership have brought us here. I had hoped 'call me' Dave's defeat in Parliament would have made him realise it was time to get his own house in order and sort out problems closer to home... A vain hope indeed.
What a joke this country has become. Can you imagine this happening at any monument or in the US ,particularity anything related to the military.... and while we are at it ... where are all the immigration officials checking the credentials of these people? I would have thought it was an easy win for them to fastrack a few deportations.
Referendum now! Let's get out of Europe, rip-up the EU Human Rights document (and write our own), secure OUR Borders and deport (and no amnesty).
Omni88, Oxford, UK - Cool. When can I move in with you then?
Don't know who I despise more. Th flotsam and jetsam of the Planet portrayed in the photographs above OR the kow-towing politicians who bend the knee submissively and appease Merkel and co... OR those who for the last 70+ years have voted those weak-willed 'politicians' into power... Perhaps, unless it really is too late, time for a change, UKIP anyone?
you don't give them the choice, just send them back
Disgusting!
Why come to England to sleep rough?! Stupid and pointless. They won't make their fortunes here! - Tintin , London, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 11:54---Well they will if they are stealing and begging and not paying for anything.
On the other hand, more and more people leave everything up to the police and the law. Some parents even think school should educate their kids. People need more common sense and more implication in the life of their community. All the selfishness and the personal ambition granted by overselling politics lead nowhere good.
Reply to ................Kendo 214, If the shoe was on the other foot, and these people were hanging articles of clothing on monuments and using the area as a public toilet in and around you . Would you be as tolerant . I think not.
Blame the European open doors for the mess. Get out Of Europe or renegotiate the terms to stop these people coming here and ruining the country.
Will the Government please give me a free flight out of here. No so we just have to abide by the rules and put up with it. So so sad what they have done to this once Great Country. Time to put things right for our Grandchildren. Like my Grandad did for me.
Is this the Modern UK ?........... couldn't they set up camp outside Buckingham palace instead
Enough is enough The country is FULL , close the doors for 2 years sort out those who are willing , want and should be here to contribute to our wonderful country and we we welcome those with open arms. For those who don't , its simple move on...
GO HOME!
Im sorry, but i am sick of these kind of immigrants. My dad came here in 1973, worked every single day, paid tax and made sure we went to school, got a job and paid into society too. What the heck is wrong with these immigrants... and of course the in house benefit scroungers. Makes me so angry!
Deport. "homeless" + gates.
What happened to the 'Vagrancy Act'?
My patience has snapped where immigration is concerned. I have had enough, I won't be served by them, or visit any establishment that employs them. I don't care what happens to them, I just want them to go.
This is just a preview of what is to follow from January 2014. STOP IT NOW before it really becomes too late
I bet this wasn't the life they were promised back at home if they came to Britain. they really should go home if they can't find work or a place to live. It's sad that people have to live on the streets and take desperate measures but they chose to come here. There are British people in the same boat in their own country! help them first!!
and still mr cameron does nothing a benefit to the economy eh? a benefit to the country eh ? bringing diversity eh ?
Remove the policeman from the final photo on this article and turn it black and white. that picture could of been taken in the 40's. what a joke of country this is turning out to be. send these tramps back to where they belong, their OWN country.
Falls in to the category of why am I not surprised. Until 'we' do something about this it will carry on! We need someone in parliament with a set of dogs danglies .
Put the hosepipe on them at 06:00 hours every morning, that should do the trick.
Yes Putin got it Right. Tramp-Land UK compliments of > Guts UK Gov. Vote UKIP to put it right. :)
Oh come on. These people know what they are doing - they sleep in some of the most obvious places until someone comes along, feels sorry for them and get them setup in a nice house with all the trimmings. Get themselves in the papers is a good way to start.
I think these Eastern Europeans in this story are in for a rude awakening? Wait until next year when more of the countrymen arrive here and start taking up spaces these people have found. Let's see how they deal with overcrowding around national monuments and parks. I have a serious question? How long do you think it will take for the government to react to this mass influx of squatters? Usually the man and woman on the street see the problem years before the government move to address the problem and we see it now. So we KNOW it will massively increase from this "minor" problem to a huge problem but how long before they do something about it?
Welcome to Broken Britain
This is what you signed up for when you voted to join the EU. Be careful what you wish for.
Our politicians will not do anything because they get their palms greased by the EU. Not a chance of us withdrawing from it. Corruption and fraud is endemic
How many stories like this before SOMETHING IS DONE?
No other country would allow this. We are importing thousands of people who will never contribute , but will be a drain on our economy. Please, please act in the national interest, for once.
Thank Labour for that one.
They should take a look at how the Australians treat these sort of people. . . . If they do not have a good reason to be in Australia they deny them entry and send them straight back where they came from. . . Not having enough money to support themselves during their stay is just one of the reasons for refusing entry.
Disgraceful.
And there's an £80 fine for dropping a cigarette butt or a lolly paper in Bromley high street. The environmental officers are in action there all the time. What about a bit of environmental protection against these Romanians. Go home please.
Winter is coming the grasshopper will have to travel to Spain.
Why continue to let non-Brits stay? Worst day for Britain when you joined the EEC and opened the borders to everyone. And if these vagrants leave throughout the day, yet "store" their sleeping bags and belongings in the park, simply remove them when they are not there. This is just continuing their ability to return and camp there again. It's about time someone grew a set and stood up to these guys. Your PM has just made a speech about how great the country is (G20) - anyone in authority like to prove him right??????
To paraphrase part of the headline:- One hangs ones head in shame, and I'm not referring to anybody in the photographs. Where next I wonder, The Cenotaph?
Disgusting and ridiculous, the grounds keepers should not have to clean their mess up every day! Send them home! There's no room at the inn!
THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT
Do you think France would stand for this? A squad of riot police would have them bundled away in vans within a day. We are too soft.
don't worry the winter is coming, see if they still sleep rough on our streets when its cold, windy and snowing
They have ruined this country and made like theirs, nearly the end of GB
Round them up, kick them out of the country. If EU don't like it, tough! All this is getting out of hand, they need to act now.
Let them stay, no where else to go have they, plus they"ll soon be a tourist attraction for the Japanese with their cameras.
Where else should they go? They should be given council housing.
we should really be making more parks like this for them....who wants a council house these days when the parks are far better....good on them!!
They could go and camp on the property off all the ex labour government as they were the ones that allowed the mass immigration into our country. They will welcome them with open arms, as they expected us to.
<> like the lads sweatshirt "sex instructor, first lesson free" :-)
If I sleep rough would the government pay for me to return to my birth place?.......Canada? Maybe worth a try.
Think I may stop reading the mail online due to all the UKIP lovers. Yeah vote for a party that has an MP who thinks all women of child bearing ages shouldn't be hired and refers to Africa as Bongo Bongo land, yeah that is really moving forward. People in England don't know how lucky they are.
Bit of a come down from Park Lane slumming it in South London .Please let it snow
If I sleep rough would the government pay for me to return to my birth place?.......Canada? Maybe worth a try.
see how they behave in cold weather hopefully they just might go back to they're own country.
total lack of respect for this country SEND THEM HOME NOW
This is all so wrong but our government does nothing.
I know genuine foreign entrepreneurs wanting to invest and live here, they have to struggle to get a visa and yet these people from EU walk in freely to do whatever they like, honestly what a mess!
To the socialists and idealists: I hope you, and especially your children, are all happy. I'm sure you'll be even more self-righteous as the problems get inevitably worse.
I for one feel sorry both for the homeless and for the staff.
This is absolutely awful and should NOT be happening!!!! WHEN is something going to be done about it .... once and for all ???
It's about time we adopted the same kind of rules as Australia! I just don't understand how these people keep getting into the UK if all they are doing is sleeping rough in parks?? How does that benefit our country? Not really sure why they'd want to stay if they can't find jobs and are sleeping rough?? The UK weather isn't that appealing is it?!?!
Bloody joke of a country will NEVER change.
Maybe if the politicians had to overlook these camps or clean up their rubbish,they would do something about it
Round them up and kick them out, its difficult to work out. They are contributing nothing so send them home. They are just helping turn our country into the cesspit of Europe.
another bleeding heart liberal shutup ------Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46
They won't go back to their own countries because they are probably wanted criminals or have no education or prospects of a job. Better hang out here labour's benefits will eventually come!
'But if we move their stuff if they're not there, if we move their sleeping bags like we are told to some guys get angry.' "mon Dieu" Well we can't have that can we? It will never do upsetting our guests like that. This is just the "overture" to a very comic opera, G & S could not have produced a script like that. Paul Glasgow..."If this is happening every morning where are the police?" There's enough problems there without bringing them in. UKIP UKIP UKIP The ONLY way out of this c**p.
thanks for turning my country into a cess pit ... you useless so called leaders ....... roll on 2015 ..and UKIP
We do not need any workers here.We have our own British job seekers!End of!
Quick! Notify Blair that his concept of different cultures living side by side in unity is working well
Why even bother coming here?
If it were me seeing their parcels of whatever under the bushes they would be removed and sent to the land fill site along with the rest of any garbage found around there. Pack them all on a ferry and deport them without a bye your leave etc Strong action is the only way.:
OK enough. Why is Boris allowing this disrespect to happen ?
Cameron needs to address this problem on our doorstep and look to this country instead of trying to be the "world leader" he seems to think he is!
'Bout time we just got rid of the lot. The goverment are spineless and only interested in sorting problems in other countries and giving our money away. If this was a goverment for the people they wouldn't be ruining England like they are. Scotland don't put up with it and that's why I'm moving north.
Hopefully come winter it'll be too cold for them to sleep on the streets and they'll have to move on. Awful what is happening to this country. Our politicians are idiots.
Offered a free flight home !...They should be deported immediately, and stuff what Brussels has to say about it, it is our country, and if Cameron is too cowardly to deport them, then vote for a party that will, vote UKIP..!!!
They're all over here too. Who decided it was a good idea letting Romania and Bulgaria join the Eu? - mreed , Oslo, Norway, 06/9/2013 11:48 That's interesting, and Norway's not an EU member.
Bus, plane and bye bye..........simple.
UK Vagrancy laws allow that these people can be removed from public view. Why is this not happening? If these people are homeless foreign nationals they should be taken to their nearest embassy for their compatriots to deal with.
Vote UKIP and end this farcical situation. If nothing else, voting for UKIP should rid us of Cameron. now established as Britain's biggest liability.
Send them all back, whence they came !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
send them back NOW !
It's really simple, no home and no job, DEPORT them. If Europe is that keen to stand up for them, then off to Euope, FRANCE perhaps! Maybe the Houses of Parliment might be their next stop to!
@- kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46 - Compassionate, LOL!!! you can always go to their country to live like they do
No other country would tolerate these useless derelicts from hapless lands who have NO respect for Britain whatsoever.....ROUND EM UP AND THROW EM OUT !
Why is the Dalai Lama referred to as 'His Holiness' but not the Pope?
Offered a free flight home... it shouldn't be an offer, it should be mandatory to boot these no-gooders home and don't come back!!
Can they not be forced to clean up their own used condoms, excrement and crack bottles??
I feel really concerned for these people. Why do so many people feel angry with them? If this was an article about homeless dogs I wonder what the reaction would be.
WHY is this allowed to carry on happening? this is utterly crazy! the 'authorities' need to move them out & make sure they either find a proper place to live or they go back home
About time we reintroduced a vagrancy act. No one should be allowed in to this country fromANYWHERE unless they have proven means of support.
IF THEY HAVE NOT GOT HOMES TO STAY THEY SHOULD NOT COME IN
UKIP
...residents say they are out of work with nowhere to go. Perhaps where they came from?
It's so fun reading western abuse of the term "eastern europeans". Imagine if we wrote sth like "a tourist from western europe won the lottery today....". That could mean anyone from german neo-nazi to the queen of England lol
The only answer is vote UKIP.
"Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46" Bloody bleeding heart, hand-wringing liberals. You really have absolutely no idea what you are doing or the consequences of your actions beyond the immediate.
As an American woman, who lives and works in London, I see these people often. It breaks my heart. The government should do something for them and see that they have food and shelter. Winter is coming and they are going to have nowhere to turn.
Who is this "His Holiness" that you are talking about? Do you mean Tenzin Gyatso, who would like to have himself installed as the unelected "leader" of a medieval theocracy in an already impoverished country? Oh yes, that's very holy, that is!
It's all very well someone sleeping ruff! But seriously if you are not born in this country or even British, why should hard working people pay their taxes to clean up after you!! Go to your embassy explains your I dire strates and go back to to where you came from!!
When the weather starts to turn colder their numbers will drop steadily.
Pick them up and take them to their respective Embassies to deal with. If they are homeless and have no money, their Embassies should repatriate them to their country of origin at their expense. Why do we think it is our problem.
And yet barely 100 yards up the road is Kennington Police Station - if the police let this happen under their own noses, no wonder they think they can do whatever they like.
They should be deported without delay. It would seem that our "police force" is still sleeping on the job!
They have nowhere to go? what about home where they came from. If their having to live on the streets , they will have no income , so where do they get the money to live from ???? we persecute our OWN vagrants that have fallen on tough times and are quite happy for them to be moved on . So how is it these immigrants are allowed to return time and time again and are allowed to treat our national monuments in this disgusting manner.How long are we to leave our gates of this once great country open before its realized that we cant cope. at least UKIP have some good ideas and will be getting my vote next time round.
Can any one remember that Little girl who dropped a bit of Cornish pasty and a Seagull snapped it up the parent got fined should the same law apply
Why don't the authorities stop it !
Why would you want to come to the UK and be homeless? - Mr Singh , Birmingham, 06/9/2013 11:03....More than likely because if they stick around long enough they'll be given housing, healthcare, education and everything else under the sun for FREE to them, but paid for by the likes of most of the people commenting.
It's about time this goverment grew a pair and said to hell with the EU and round up all eu people who do not have a job and kick them back to their own country. Enough is enough this country will end up a third world country whoops sorry we already are.
Oh for goodness sake round them up and send them to Brussels
Exactly what harm is this doing to anyone?
Oh no please I need to get out of this 'dumping ground' of a country!
Vote UKIP, then Labour will get in!
coming soon to a town city near you.time to shut the door on all those who can not contribute to our society.this probely wont get printed .
Coming soon Episode 2 Britain 2014, the migration of a further 1,000,000+ benefit scroungers to the UK mainly southern england and how they will bring the country to its knee's. Crime, DWP, NHS, Education & Housing.
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover,=== You think that letting people sleep in parks, public gardens and memorials is compassionate. That allowing them to despoil these areas with detritus of their squalid existence is compassionate. To overlook the crimes they commit to exist or because they are lawless is compassionate. That we should just turn over our spaces to the world and his wife, because they come here in thousands and aren't really suited to work, either because they are ill-educated, have neither functional written nor spoken English, are more interested in living on benefits (usually significantly higher than in their home country) or just came here to escape dire conditions. Why not invite them to stay in your garden if you feel so strongly.
Send them to there country of origin....they can live just as well on the streets of the homeland as they can here..it's not that I'm heartless but we should have a FULL sign at any port.....not enough housing for the people who were born here so why let more in.
Is this what our grandfather's fight for in the war Mr Cameron? I think not!
This is what we have to tolerate...as EU members.....ain't it wonderful.?
These people need help. The comments on here would def not be as harsh as they are if it was young British people on the streets. Thank god its still warm and not winter yet.
It will only get worse. This country has to say NO to any more immigrants. What has happened about immigrants going to the nearest country? No admission to this country unless they have means to support themselves or have a job lined up, with proof. Even Merkel is worried. She is on the way out.
And people were saying the advert van suggesting people go home was offensive? Think again. No respect by these people at all.
Issue the cleaning equipment to Mr Blair and Mr Brown and make them clear the mess up they created. Brown is still an MP so it will only be a short trip on the tube. That is if he turns up at Parliament.
They should sleep rough on the doorstep of No10 Downing Street - that's where this mess emanates.
Ship them back to their own country now and no softly softly approach, get them the hell out of here, we are a struggling country without all these free loaders entering our borders.
Well done the British Establishment you are doing a great job of running the country.
It is time to stop all this nonsense, it has to stop ... how many times must we say or think this. If we went to their country and did the same what would the reaction be ?? You know the answer. ... Our government and police are not doing their job and letting this country become the laughing stock of Europe. It is not the country I was born into anymore. Sad so very sad.
They don't come to Spain where the weather is better. Why? Because the police would nail them and because there are no free handouts.
We'll never get anything solved until our judiciary stop behaving like a bunch of student protesters.
What the hell is wrong with England. Just get them out and give us our own culture back and let them live their own!!!!!!!!! Enough already.
Why do the British Nation put up with sort of thing? I am sure if we did it in their country we would be arrested and deported, we are far too soft
That's OK - because Cameron says so.
Deport them, they are a disgrace and we don't want them here.
Used condoms?!? Fantastic for the Liberals in Britain at least they are practicing safe sex!!! In another vein - If the british hate their own country what do you expect everyone else to do?
Move them on to Downing street.
weak britain, the russian are right we are only a small island and dumping ground.
Thing that is so annoying is we are sleepwalking into this situation and it can be avoided. Our government could LEGALLY opt out of this! They could either say due to our considerations that we may be leaving, all rules are suspended until this is decided but also they could pass an Act of Parliament which repeals part of the European Convention. Europe don't have last say on everything because it is unconstitutional. Obviously they wouldn't tell anyone this though.
Is this what happens to your country when you have a big heart . -- - John-B, London, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:53 --- AND incompetent, traitorous Lieb/Cons/LDumb politicians !! Join, support and vote ONLY for UKIP - flush the others out. We are long overdue some decent, 'breath of fresh air' politics designed for the benefits of the indigenous UK population.
Not long until winter.
Get real, we have seen nothing, yet.
Takes us over an hour to get through passport control coming back from a holiday. How are all these getting through. Shut the borders and start deporting. You want to come and work pay 50% tax that will put them off they might start heading off to Germany.
Cameron/Boris you need to sort this mess out now and you need to shut the door on europe now - at least have the guts to do something in your so far totally inept priministership.
It's a wonder Putin rub it in about Britain putting up with these people Ron, Western Australia
Bob-For the same reason men go with crazy hags from hell...because they do not know any better,yet.It's like a child touching a hot oven.It's foolish.Mama told you so but then you had to see for yourself
Get them out of the country now.
how lovely! Thanks to the powers that be.
They are sleeping rough therefore not claiming benefits. Surely DM readers who are obsessed with benefits and who's getting them would be in their element...?
Immigration has been a success then? When they've taken all the jobs, the 'spares' clutter up our national monuments? Well done, Labour!
The scheme was meant to help scientists and business leaders travel between European Countries with a minimum of fuss. But its turned out completely differently and just caused huge problems for everyone. It could have been forseen that the desperatley poor people of Eastern Europe would be on the first bus they could to the richer countries. This scheme needs urgent cancellation before all our Countries collapse under the strain. But do you trust any politician to sort it out ?
Well UK, welcome to the world.
Good luck to them all
GET THEM OUT!!!
Problem is this rubbish is giving all migrants a bad name. They have no respect for anything and yet expect respect. The truth is they believe we are mugs, just ask any of them. We are mugs ripe for the taking. The people do not represent the majority of migrants though who come here to share in our beautiful country and in our lifestyle and want nothing more than to work hard and have all of that. This kind of rubbish will just move on to the next place once they have destroyed our country.
What a joke. now were to go. Than go home.
Why are they here?...............
Blair, the sellout traitor's legacy lives on..
That's it I'm going to Eastern Europe to sleep rough in their parks and claim their benefits and see how they like it. What's they don't give benefits to scroungers - now there's and idea!
It appears we don't have British homeless people now dm?! What a bias article I cannot even be bothered to finish to read.
Without making any comment upon the thousands of people dossing around everywhere Iwonder if It might help the ordinaryBrit to realise what a lovely country England was These people have no home no real income no nothing yet they think its betterhere dossing than going home
I wish the government would stop worrying about the Middle East and do something about this country. Come January we will be swamped with further immigrants. What a mess we are in...
Only Nick Griffin had any real answer.
"Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever... - kendo214 , hannover, 06/9/2013 11:46" Exactly Kendo, because obviously the people in Hannover are much more compassionate towards the eastern European immigrants you've got over there...
1 important advice... don't come to the UK
We have a government somewhere, taking our money and not doing the job; that's fraud.
Tip of the iceberg. No person deserves to sleep like this but we are FULL! Vote UKIP
One world,One people.Peace and love to you all. - Sebastien, Hackney, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 11:30===I bet you wont be saying that when they set up camp outside your front door and mess up your street
Your comments:This has got to stop , this has got to stop how many times must we say it, think it . If we went to their country and did the same what would the reaction be .... ha ha ha Our government , police, etc are letting these people make us become the laughing stock of Europe.
Buckingham Palace Next
Why are the Police not arresting these people and the Border Agency removing them from the Country. They have No jobs and no homes. They can be removed and sent to their home countries.
Why cant these 'tramps' be deported and sent home? They are nothing but a drain on society.
So Cameroon - what ya going to do?
They are worse off than in their own country ... deport the lot without thinking it over !
What was the point in shifting them from Park Lane if they are going to be allowed to set up camp somewhere else, particularly the Imperial War Museum. They do what they like and they are allowed to get away with it.
Do jobless immigrants sleep rough in the streets and parks of Brussels and Strasbourg? I suspect not. Do not dismiss the EU elections in May 2014. If you don't vote for change, then don't moan that nothing is being done!
How much more disrespectful behaviour do we have to put up with before the powers that be actually do something?! How dare people like this come to my country, demand and expect respect then absolutely defile our nation by being so utterly and unashamedly disrespectful, get rid of the lot of them, am sick, sick, sick of it. The feeling of helplessness at being able to do nothing is making for a very angry nation, a ticking time bomb if you like.
More on the way in January, folks. But the government obviously doesn't care. It would rather throw money at Syrian rebels than get this country back on its feet. We need to get out of the E.U. and stop this sorry flood of lazy good for nothings....so there's only one party will guarantee that, isn't there?
Why are the police allowing this to happen, are there not laws against vagrancy? - I.Noitall , Newcastle, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 11:32 --------Yes there are! not that our police would be that interested! I wonder why? No! they are more interested in stopping and harassing a motorist at 0430 in the morning for not indicating on a deserted housing estate road! oh! and don't they just love to get that breathalyser bit of kit out! they were so eager, they didn't even bother to tell this driver as to why he was being harassed!
Remember shiny Dave pratlling on about how he was going to create the " Big Society ". Laughable now isn't it ?
Go home if they have no we're to go how much more have we got to foot the bill for the worlds poor our children are now suffering at school our NHS with cuts that are barbaric to pay for schooling healthcare and benefits when we can't provide for our own immigration on these levels is just plain crazy our stupid mps still can't work this out yet
This is England!
WHY are they here if they are homeless and have no jobs ?
As the Scots got us into this in the first place, send them all up there !!
Let's hope for a really cold winter then!!
When will these out of touch, not living in the real world MP's wake up to this and block immigration into the UK, we really do need to sort this major problem out as it is becoming very stressful and putting a major strain on our public services, UKIP or any other political party will get my vote who will stop and limit immigration to the UK. Something has to give as we cannot continue with the EU dictatorship on who is entitled to enter Britain and drain everything in it, enough is enough.
The government won't do anything, they have cut loads of border staff, not taking on anymore. the situation is just crazy.
Before people start complaining about this behaviour, remember, if you voted Conservative, Labour or LibDem, you voted for open borders and this is the consequence.
It happens because nobody stops it. For God's sake when is this Government going to wake up.
Won't be long before the big guns disappear without trace ......................
Buck palace next
Our once proud country is becoming a rubbish dump. Is this what are to expect going forward ? Instead of trying to play the world leader, wouldn't Dave be better off getting things fixed at home ?
I am disgusted by this but not surprised! this country is going down the toilet!
Why not send them to Ireland...there's lots of empty property there.
What is wrong with enacting the byelaws against vagancy? This country, without strong leadership, has gone soft.
It seems the mainstream parties don't actually want to deal with this. It is a disgrace.
Kendo 214,Hanover--------------- You go and clear up after them then !!
Only immigrants with recognised qualifications in either academic or industry occupations should be allowed in. There is NO demand for tens of thousands of unskilled workers in this country. The Germans are sick of uncontrolled immigration too as are the Scandinavian countries. If the useless politicians listened to their people they would find there's a general consensus amongst most "western" European countries that enough is enough.
Buck palace next
If they're sleeping rough on the streets of Britain, surely they can cope sleeping rough in their own countries? I'm very liberal by nature, but pictures like this make my blood boil. They are guests in the UK and yet treat it with the utmost contempt.
Surely if they are not a UK citizen, have no fixed residence or job, they should be arrested and deported...
I despair for my country, how long is this sort of thing going to go on for before something is done about it, UKIP get us out of this mess at the first opportunity .
European Union = freedom of movement! Coming to a park near YOU very soon!!
Many more to come,solution is in our hands when it's time to vote. Only one party opposes this mess and it's not Labour/Conservative or Lib dems. Time to wake up voters of the UK.
Kein Barber.Hereford...11.46..........Quite right ! If you are STILL going to vote for either of the three parties that sanctioned this degrading of our country then DON'T complain because YOU are part of the problem . For once just take the blindfold OFF !
And your Government lets them do this? Imagine what would happen if a British person tried this?
Thanks Camoron, May and all the rest of you EU loving shysters who have perpetrated this crime on us. Britain is rapidly becoming the EU dumping ground of the unwanted, who in torn are tuning our country into an open sewer and desecrating our memorials to the people who died for this country. You've all sold us down the river and are no longer worthy of our support. UKIP can and will change this.
Ok so a building dedicated to people who live, died and survived during desperate times and you're all moaning about desperate, homeless people who need shelter? Are the dead Romanians who are no doubt mentioned in the museum more important than the people who need help today?
Sling the lot in the back of an RAF Herc and off they go home.
Britain the biggest squat in the EU.
Come next year you won't be able to see the grass for bodies.
SO much effort to spend on Syria. SO very little to get our country back from the ravages of ill-conceived "good intentions". EVERYONE should write to their MP's about all this. Overwhelm them and make them do their job.
I don't understand why or how we can take these people in. We can't afford to pay their benefit. We really need to get out of this EU malarky.
I pity them. Not for their circumstances, but for the fact that they have reached the point where they simply have no shame.
Can someone tell the poor chap there's a spare room in 10 Downing Street
It's the EU and all the treasonous politicians who signed this country up to the treaties of the unelected ones. They had no right to do that, our sovereignty and democracy was never theirs to give away in the first place., We need to be out of the vile organisation with the utmost urgency. Only then will we be able to run our own country once more as set out in our Constitution.
Let's hope for lots of heavy rain at night for several months. That might put them off.
Your comments: I walk my dogs past these people every day. They are quiet and considerate. They have not harmed the Peace Garden in any way. Please leave them alone.
Are the police allowed to do anything, or are they happy to let this happen. Surely they can all be collected from London and put in a high security field surrounded with barbed wire.
Go home then! Surely if you are living on the streets this country is not for you.
Employ a dozen of them with high pressure hoses and clean it up overnight rather than in the morning?
I'm at a loss as to understand why Jamie Oliver doesn't give them all a job if they are all so hard working. {sarcasm intended} They don't even help themselves, but instead are quite happy to give into their baser desires and buy condoms rather than consider the long term solution of just what are they going to do with themselves. (Although the alternative of loads if kids is equally unthinkable.) The heatwave is over and we are going into Autumn/Winter but they will still be moved on around London instead of going home. I'm all for helping immigrants who are truly needy, if they are facing persecution back at home etc. But this is lunacy. Nobody is really benefitting, not us nor them. This is not a solution.
Fgs Cameron you wimp do something, they have NO respect for our country send them back.
God help us after Romanian and Bulgarian citizens are allowed to swarm here after jan 2014. It's like watching a car crash in slow motion; and all our politicians can say is that their hands are tied. They should resign and let in somebody who CAN do something, before it's too late.
Only in this country would this be allowed to happen!! These dossers should be shipped out pronto.
Get used to it guys, it's going to get a whole lot worse. I guess this is the legacy of messers Blair & Brown.
Coming to a town near you very soon now. 01/01/2014 is the start of the big race to the UK. Every one will be a winner. And who pays?
You ain't see nothing yet
Don't think I will be going to London anytime soon.....
get RID if them right away !!!!! as they will all be there soon !! if I left a mess there I would be fined !!! why are these allowed to get away with it !! send them packing NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! wheres the police !!!!!
Saturation & patience has been reached. Our useless politicians need to get their fingers out before we have a catastrophe on our hands. Blair's houses need to be confiscated asap to house illegals and we need to stop immigration now. UKIP ARE OUR ONLY HOPE.
Offered free flights home. The next stage will be to give them a couple of thousand each to go home (ring a bell?). I'll never visit London it's becoming a right toilet.
round them up and ship them out - vote UKIP
I am pretty sure that next year when a handful sleeping rough and making a mess turns into thousands sleeping rough and making an even bigger mess then the government might actually get off there behinds and do something...
Serves you lot right, you were paranoid of none EU immigrants but i have always said "Our problem was the Europeans"........ RED ARROW ME IF YOU LIKE
having read the article, think I'm going to opt to stay in Switzerland.
UKIP UKIP UKIP .Any questions ? Theres your answers.
why dont they just go home?
Don't offer them force them
Just like here in Geneva.
Shocking. Truly shocking. And, what's worse? More on the way!
Your comments:GetRid of them all very quick. Why do they keep on coming. Mthey are not wanted here. What has this country become except a doss house for the rest of theveu. Mmjust wait until January. All hll will break loose then. Mintuink the normal everyday British man and woman have had enough. Get tough and show the world that we are no longer the benefit country of the world.
When this happened in France they were not just moved on but sent back to Romania. The problem is that under EU rules they have the right to return.London is slowly returning to a 19thb century condition because of the EU. This area in the article is beautifully maintained with its Tibetan Peace Garden. However this is what the ratepayers in London get also.
This Angers me so much !!!! They are costing us as a Country having added nothing but misery to it ,when we have veterans who have served our Queen and Country still sleeping rough with no help... Get these disrespectful Gypsies out of OUR country and start helping the People who have served it instead...
its time to deport these people. when you go to another country you offer something to make it better. these people are doing nothing.
The future has arrived.
Blame Tony B'liar'..... vote UKIP 2014 & 2015
Poor London, snigger, who said it was grim up North, expect thousands more, all these National Insurance numbers handed out. Red arrow to the right, snigger.
Why do we allow all this trash in our country ? Kick them all out immediately...most people had enough but are afraid to say anything in case they're labelled "this & that" ... What exactly do these people contribute to our economy & society ?
this country is great i pay nothing and i use free intanet now in coffee place. we keep coming because there is no problem here
I fear ,you aint seen nothing yet ,wait till january when the floodgates are opened ,please out of the E.U now.
Amy from Bath said__ I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is. - Amy, Bath, 6/9/2013 10:37 Then follow your conscience and invite one (or more), to stay at your home. That way you can feel good about yourself, and the streets are a lot tidier.
I walk my dogs past these people every day. They are quiet and considerate. Over the years there have been many people sleeping rough in the Peace Garden but not one has caused harm. Please leave these people alone.
Why come to England to sleep rough?! Stupid and pointless. They won't make their fortunes here!
This is just the start we need to stop this before January 1st when they can all come in.
The tories have sat on their hands and done absolutely nothing the past three years will,only get much worse next year, ,the police keep clearing dosser park lane,and they just keep returning its a joke.
Simple answer, get out of Europe and stop letting them in.
why can't some sleep out side no 10 perhaps DC might do something then you yes he would have them removed then do as he always does NOTHING. our government is useless we want our country back or there is going to be big trouble as we are all fed up with this its only a matter of time before we snap something has to give.
And they are not even here illegally thanks to the rules of the EU who say we must allow in ALL FROM THE EU WHO WANT TO COME. Common sense flew out the window long ago when it comes to the EU Dictatorship and our leaders bending over backwards to comply. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP, THE ONLY CHANCE WE HAVE OF TAKING BACK CONTROL OF THIS COUNTRY.
Why don't they make these people clean up their own crap? Cleaners shouldn't have to go round cleaning up dog/human poo, used condoms, drugs paraphernalia and rubbish. They've got nothing better to do anyway. I dread to think how it'll be come 2014.
round them all up and send them back were they came from and argue the case later and they can have their hr in their own country, we cant afford them
I have a novel idea - it`s called DEPORTATION.
you lot seem to be foregetting one key point.........this is their country just as much as it is yours...now that we are part of europe....i dont see you posting pictures of every single homless british person online........why not ?..its just the same thing...except these eastern europeans dont stink like the british born tramps....they take care of themselves...even hang their coats up properly.
What a shame that we cannot simply deport them
Why is this allowed to happen. The rules of free movement only allow those from the EU to come here IF they have a job to go to, housing and medical sorted out as the rules say so they DO NOT become a burden on us. It says nothing about us becoming a third world country with Europes' waifs and strays. Forced repatriation should be enacted, not just let go to appear some where else. It wouldn't happen anywhere else in Mainland Europe, the French CRS wouldn't be so nice.
put them all on the next plane outta here and never let them back in
Politicians these days have no spine. They are a shadow of the past. Above all others, criminals included, I hate politicians.
Homeless foreigners should be put on a plane and sent home. If they wish to come back they should have a job and accommodation first. The govt should help this process.
They should be handed over to their own consulates to deal with.
Why aren't the Left Wing Loony Liberals campaigning for the Government to give them each a house, they campaign for most other stupid things.
It's only going to get worse
How about sending them back home...
Did you notice the young man who, when he had a job, sent the money home to his family. Not a lot of use to the economy.
Brace yourselves because come January 2014 there will be loads more swarming in and it will become a common sight (if not the norm), and nothing's being done to prevent it simply because no one gives a toss!
Round them up, ship them home and impose lifetime bans them. They obviously have no affiliation with, or respect for us so why are they here?
Welcome to EU
I find the majority of the comments today extremely unchristian.
Will we ever get our Country back? I could cry when I read articles like this. Surely somebody can do something.
How are those old women allowed in as it's quite apparent they cannot work so should be sent back home.
It isn't their fault. They were born into poverty, are seeking a better way of life and see chances in this country. The problem lies with lack of proper migration controls, irresponsible social engineering by the last government, a present government unwilling and/or incapable of cleaning up the mess and Brussels who, despite having unlimited rescources, have failed to deal with the problems of former Eastern block countries entering the EU.
I've heard that there's some shocking advertising in Eastern European countries showing their own people sleeping rough and begging on the streets of London, saying: 'A job abroad can lead you to this.'
Sick to the teeth of this. We are doomed.
They all need putting on a plane Nd sending home. They need to offer them a trip home when it's winter because they won't be sleeping in these places then?
Surely we can find them some nice council houses, or pay for their private accommodation - we are a bunch of softies, after all. I despair!
When the Muppets (Mr Cameron Therese May & Co) let in Millions of Migrants into Britain what do You Expect ?? ... Tax payers have to pay for them (Like it or Not) Health-Care housing Food Dentists Legal Aid Ect Etc because they have No Work & No Money......Mr Ed/Labour are just hopeless so Britain is Doomed until the people find Real-Men Real-Leaders & an EU-Referendum on Freedom ASP.
What depths our country has sunk to. I can't see any solution in the future.
if this people have no legal income - uk have the right to send them back.
I'm fed up with people taking us for a ride This economic migrancy and all the problems it brings has got to outweigh any benefits we get from being part of the EU
Enough moaning, time to take the Lib-Lab-Con to court for treason
UKIP for me next time round in polls, had enough of living in a country that is run by the EU.......
Why aren't they deported?
Should fit in well with the millions of other immigrant's we have here in South London we cant get enough of em
They're all over here too. Who decided it was a good idea letting Romania and Bulgaria join the Eu?
This country is turning into a joke, you may as well not even call it England anymore. what would our great granparents think after they fought and risked there lives for this country and for what for foreign nationals to xome in and make it theres. I am 100% englsih but you feel like your the one living in a different country, you cant get benefits when needed but yet these get offered houses, benefits everything JOKE
Just put them on the plane home - no arguments.
As much as I'm all for helping those who are less fortunate, this just isn't on. If they want to sleep on the streets they can do so in their own country. If you want to come to the UK, bring a skill set or enough money to pay your way legally (i.e. no caravans). This wouldn't be tolerated in front of Buckingham Palace so why is it tolerated elsewhere? The law should be consistent.
Then every day everything left behind should be thrown away, if they have no sleeping items they will go home, perhaps now would be the time for a leaflet drop telling them how to hand themselves in.
Does anyone else remember the good old days, when only British citizens could get benefits or use the NHS? How I long for those days to come back. Red arrow away......
This was inevitable! The government have had three years, but have done absolutely nothing to prevent it from happening!
It is not January 2014 yet either, this is just the start.
Why are we allowing this to happen, time for action now!
Thank you Tony Blair.
Deport them.
This Country is ruined, thanks you Tony Blair, and Cameron and Clegg. UKIP for me this time.
and any time we try to deport them, we can't because of their HUMAN RIGHTS. Soft touch Britain.
Round them up and send them home!
Everybody's got to be somewhere! Might come a time with us brits leave this country and love for refuge else where...impossible scenario? Think about it.
I don't understand. No job, no money to support yourself, no accommodation - why are they let in in the first place? The EU gives right of movement, why doesn't the UK say well OK as long as you have all three conditions aforementioned in place?
Is this what has become of Britain? Vagrants turning a National monument and beautiful gardens into a doss house and a human toilet? It's a national disgrace!
Wow, nice to see the DM readers are a compassionate as ever...
Act. Next election vote for a party that will do something about all of this. Otherwise...please keep quiet and accept what you vote for.
If it was me smoking crack and dossing round a London Park, I would be in a police cell ASAP.!!!!
Welcome to soft touch Britain, disgrace!!
They are usually youngish and there's normally a couple of females that stay with them, but they look really young, perhaps only 18.' ========== Why do women go with losers?
Well, i dont like this. But obviously the majority do, otherwise UKIP would be getting far more votes.
Cast your minds back to the student that peed on a war memorial. He was charged and convicted of some offence or other that I forget. My point is that these morons are showing similar disrespect our war dead and deserve punishing. Where are you our police Force. Are you upto the challenge or not!
How disrespectful! I just really can't get my head around why more and more immigrants are being let in the country? I dread to think what England will be like in 10-20 years time.
>>>>And the European dream rolls on, just why are the Easter states being allowed to join the EU? With their poverty just becoming a millstone around everyone's? >>>> Clear them all out, and sod the EU>>>>
James, Reading: I agree, send them to where the politicians have to work, let them live there. Then we might get this debris off the streets and back to their own country! Sort the mess out there then they just might stay. Or dump them on their respective embassies lawns and make them stay there!
I¿m embarrassed to be English we are nothing but a joke
Just kick them out of the country? I really dont understand what the problem is.
Disgusting.... What a sorry state to see our once beautiful country in, unfortunately a lot of people are not bought up to respect there surroundings, many immigrants consider it acceptable to live in this country like they would in their own... For example, i very much doubt the british homeless would leave drug paraphenalia, used condoms and their own excrement in such a place of beauty, there is places for such behaviour...... due to immigration.... GB is finished
God help us in 10 years time, I dread to think what we will be come, I know English will be a minority language and we will be a minority in our own country with no rights whatsoever and having everybody elses forced upon us.
UKIP seems to be the only hope we have of sorting this mess out and getting our country back. They'll DEFINITELY get my vote come the next election.
it will all be solved in January when the local government will ahve to find them all homes and acomadation....... ain't it a joke.
Blame the EU headquarters in Brussels !
And we'll no doubt be seeing a lot more of this in January 2014 when Romanians and Bulgarians are allowed free transit throughout Europe. Thanks EU.
It's going to be shambles next year
And Cameron is now handing out over £50million in aid to Syrian rebels! Charity SHOULD begin at home but apparently MPs think differently to us! This madness has to stop! The £50million would have been far better spent in clearing this rabble off our streets, and preventing more arriving here!
If this is happening every morning where are the police?
just ship them out if they can afford drugs, condoms, beer etc they can afford to pay for there own way home. enough is enough.
thousands more on the way, get used to it. all coming for the free benefits, "FREE" that I pay my hard earned taxes for. free for them, but we tax payers having been paying in for years. put them all on an island off the coast, with tents, and no social, see how long they want to stay.
Lets hope he tries the No. 10 doorway next, they should give him a good 'E.U.' welcome, after all with the right 'human rights' applied he may want to vote to stay in the E.U.!............Con. member, for now.
Go home and stop littering up our city. I'm sick of seeing this. If you want to come to this country you should prove you have employment and money in the bank.
reptile said, Easy, just take them to their embassy's let them sort it out. I agree with you Reptile. Hopefully the "sorting out" extends to arranging and more importantly PAYING FOR flights taking them home.
You know the answer. UKIP.
Blame Tony!
Council officials and police in London blame the unwanted visitors for a surge in begging, pickpocketing, shoplifting and anti-social behaviour. ============================= That was always predictable. They should be blaming New Labour, Blair and Brown who adopted the "open borders" policy for self-centred political reasons and let them all into the UK. Having said that, Cameron's lot have done NOTHING to stop the rot, and with a further flood of Rumanians about to hit us in 4 months time. Why are our politicians so utterly out of touch, inept and useless ?
What depths our country has sunk to. I can't see any solution in the future.
I wonder how many natives would be allowed to get away with it!!!
Making the UK a better place. The idiots in government need to open their eyes!
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane. - jaffacakefuel, London, 6/9/2013 10:02.............Pretty pointless in the long run though! Moving them on... If they are arrested at all, one peep of 'Human Rights' and they're soon released right back into this god-forsaken country!
Where are useless Plod?
Just look at old those Ladies are ..!! What are they good for Workwise..? If you or i tried emigrating to a foreign country with absolutely no money and in our seventies we would be told we haven't got a hope in Hell ..! Oh and I bet they can't speak a word of English .! This seriously needs to be dealt with ...NOW
This only happens because it is allowed to happen..that's it in a nutshell ! These people have no visible means of support, no work, no money, no accommodation, they are in legal terms vagrants and as such should be subject to a legal remedy, which is to remove them to a place where they came from, they have a country to go to and no doubt relatives and friends to turn to for help. So collect them , document them and put them on a flight back to their Country of origin. simple...IF OUR GOVERNMENT WANTS TO !
Lots and lots more to come next year courtesy of the EU open borders and the Lisbon Treaty. London will be totally swamped .......mark my words, you have seen nothing yet...!!!
No where to go? Hang on they were offered FREE flights home? So they DO have some where to go.
They actually go across the road to a shelter where nuns feed and allow them to shower and return later
Next year should be interesting, judging by unofficial (true) numbers. It'a also amazing how they move them on from the affluent areas so quickly, anywhere else and it'd be months.
Tip Of The Iceberg. Vote UKIP!
Get Mary Beard and other assorted lefty's to clean it up.
At least they are using condoms!
Yet MP's can't understand why the UN has sent Raquel Rolnik to the UK on a fact finding mission about housing conditions?
No money No home No self respect, send them home on the first plane. Glad Greece does not tolerate this.
It makes me so proud. Thank heavens the European flag flies over every Government building, as our Euro MP's slave long into the night, on their paltry salaries, fighting to supply us with more of these wonderful people. Don't forget; the Labour party told us that immigration was a GOOD thing, and that our country NEEDS people like this to be a better place. It must be true because they would have let us have a vote on it if it was at all in doubt. Hurrah for immigration. Hurrah for Europe. Hurrah for our wonderful politicians. One day we will understand why they have done this to our country; and I am sure that we will all be grateful.
They are trespassing, fine them if they don't have money make them clean up the city, they won't hang around for very long if there is nothing for them.
Flippin heck when is this country going to get a grip and sort out this mess
Can't the authorities just capture them, deport them and black list their name. Poor illegal & unemployed immigrants most probably will create social troubles to the country. The country has to force its entrepreneurs to employ its own citizens and force the latters to accept employment they're offered rather than letting it go to immigrants.
I personally care more about these fellow human beings than some memorial that I never have nor will visit. Some people needs to sort of their priorities or maybe I am the last good person in the world?
Something which the Pro-EU brigade never mentions. They've made these people homeless with false hope.
This is past ridiculous.
Comment readers are actually falling for this!! How dumb are you? Read the story. It says, we get rough sleepers here during every summer. So every summer there are homeless people sleeping there, this isn't news then. How many homeless people are foreign in the UK? Loads.
They are laughing at us, people, but not as much or as loud as our politicians are, especially the old and the new Labour rats.
WELCOME TO BRITAIN, the doss house of every country in the world, I dread to think what 2014 will bring with the influx that is expected !!!!!.
Why aren't they arrested for vagrancy? I bet if they were British they would be.Why the softly, softly approach? I used to love going down to London for the weekend, but you wouldn't catch me down there now, it's a dump.
sick of these people , sick of cameron why doesnt he startt to sort his own country out before he starts on syria and the like ?
Get the fire brigade in with their hose pipes to clean up the mess and wake them up - perhaps they wouldn't be there again. Disgusting. March them to their own Embassy and let them sort out the problem by sending them back to where they belong.
Why are they allowed here? Uk is being laughed at by people around the world.
disgusting.. round em all up and kick em out!
If they are sleeping on streets and have no job they should have no choice they should be sent back to there own country .
Migrants should not be allowed into this country unless they have somewhere to live a job and have medical insurance and £10,000 in cash.
I don't understand this at all. Are there not homeless shelters? Can't you cordon off monuments at night? We don't have the EU problem but it is abominable. It must be abolished. It is vile to allow this in sacred areas. What are the solutions for this that show that your country means business and will not tolerate this behavior. It is disgusting.
They shouldn't have a choice whether to go back home or not, it should be instant deportation on the spot.
where's plod, this more important than fining motorists.............
Are these the people we want in this country ? Blair and Brown opened our borders for every down and out to come here and look what we are left with . Camp them outside their MANY houses and flats they own and then see what happens ,
You can't come into the country uses you have an official letter saying you have a on. Simple.
will only get worse
Get the water cannons out.
Maybe they should sleep outside the homes (on in their gardens) of all MPs and the PM, see how they like it. So few decide so much for so many. It's ok for those in power, they don't have to deal or put up with this, the rest of us do. I am so sad at what has happened to my country. It will only get worse come January and in the future when other Eastern European countries join.
the worlds dumping ground.
This country is at boiling point regarding immigration. Someday soon, the bubble will burst, and all hell will let loose.
No Work, No Job, No income, Simple! NO WAY YOU STAY HERE! Ship them all back home, it is NOT England's job to take in the waifs and strays of the EU; in spite of what those clowns in Brussels say!
Why are the police allowing this to happen, are there not laws against vagrancy?
You don`t see any on College Green - it`s right outside Parliament. Maybe a few there would concentrate Cameron`s attention on the fact that his beloved EU is opening our doors to thousands more of them in January. And yet the DM, which regularly makes headlines over immigration, is fond of deriding UKIP who are the only party committed to putting a stop to it.
"We do have to clean up after them unfortunately". What utter nonsense- do you think, for one minute that Parisian workers would put up with this? Read the accounts of what happened in Paris, e.g. outside the Louvre. They didn't just shrug their shoulders and give in-they stopped work and marched on the government department in charge. At times I'm so sick of this country.
these pictures make me feel sick and whose doing anythng about it!?!? its actually getting worse. av said it before sayng again av never voted but its UKIP next time like. this country is in a mess and it scares me!
Can't these people be given benefits and a council home? Best sort out this problem before the rest of them come to this tiny island of ours.
One world,One people.Peace and love to you all.
I am sorry, but that is just wrong. People take their chances when they come in this manner, doesn't mean that should be allowed to sleep where ever. It's not right for the people to clean up after them either, I think shows a sign of no self respect, having someone clean up you, clean it yourself you are to camp like this. These people just don't care, it's all what they want to do. I don't mean to be harsh, but at least pick up after self, and have some control. How do they get into the country?
Looks like rain this Weekend ;)
Get rid of them!
A modern day plague...
Yuk. I never voted for my country to change, it's turned into a dumping ground. If they're going to keep coming, keep them in London where the government might actually notice them.
Must be the only country in the world you can come with no job or funds or address... Cess pit
"and one hangs his coat on a peace sculpture" for crying out load folks, PIECE!!
Out of work, well should not have been let in without a place to stay, money and a job, get real people go home we do not want you here.
This island will sink soon, it's already on its way. I fear what future my children have. - parky77, Manchester, uk, 6/9/2013 11:20------depends how you qualify "sink". I reckon it did that ages ago
So can a tourist also pitch a tent up in Hyde park while on holiday ? Free and great location .... Seriously though when is enough enough beyond a joke the public should keep phoning the police till something is done
i just have no idea what planet our government are on. the country is full, dont let any one else in till the population drops. simple
The results of a big heart and a weak government, lets hope we have a really bad winter.
Yet another reason for us to elect a UKIP Government at the next election!
It's absolutely ruined the 2am cruise. Get them out and give us back our gardens.
- Hunsa, Somewhere in London, 6/9/2013 10:32 - Actually the easiest thing to do is read them the EU regulations about free labour movement and not being allowed to sponge off other countries and then forcibly remove them. If they have no job, no money and
The government cannot stop the east Europeans from migrating to the UK because of the EU treaty, but still far more people from Asia and Africa are migrating to UK than from eastern Europe. What is the government doing to stop them?
send them back they are no use here its a disgrace
Throw em out the country!
It's a "trailer" for 1st January 2014. Why isn't this madness stopped. Put them all on a plane to return them to their own country & don't let anymore in. EU passage is rubbish how many true Brits want to settle in the countries these scourge have come from. Bit one sided isn't it? Close our boarders now & have a referendum now to get us out of this one sided mess.
I suggest the place is cleaned with a high pressure hose. Particularly while they are still present.
Cameron is more bothered about going in to Syria than he is about sorting this country's problems!
Perhaps some of the Employers that frequent these articles and constantly tell us that East Europeans have better work ethics than us Brits can nip down offer them some jobs and get them off the streets... PS: Where are all the benefit haters today with there suggestions of workhouses , vouchers, cleaning the streets etc..
Collect them up and send them home. Or will an outbreak of a serious disease occur before anything is done.
We really can't be having this.Someone must be held responsible for dealing with it & sort it fast.
I also have a similar problem across my street. I live in central London and from when I moved in the number has gone from 5 - 18+. They're very loud late at night, litter, use our doorstep as their public toilet yet the police won't do anything about it. It's disappointing considering how much we (as in everyone) pay to live in London and have it ruined by a small minority with no respect. I'm losing faith.
The Tories have had 3 years to think about this FORESEEABLE problem; yet today they are just doing things on the hoof. - Andy Stone , Hull, United Kingdom, It is no use blaming the present government. WHO opened the doors, and made it illegal to stop them? Oh!!! Of course it was your beloved Labour Party.
Land of hope and glory More like land of dope and Gorey It makes me weep
Home: This individual sits up among the flowers of the Tibetan Peace Garden and residents say they are out of work with nowhere to go so what the hell are they doing here for gods sack !!
Why aren't they just sent back?
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches. - GoodMorning , City of Angel, United Kingdom, 06/9/2013 10:51 None of the people mentioned in the article are Russian. Not sure what you are talking about. Blame the EU for allowing poor countries to join the EU for political reasons whose nationals now do not need visas to come to the UK. Unlike Russians who still need visas to travel to all EU countries.
Open door Britain. Politicians don't care because they live in their own closed off section of society...they aren't picky about where their slave class comes from.
These people really are living the dream arn't they, other people thinking of coming to the land of opportunity take note you do NOT get a free house!
we are a joke of a country! pc madness gone wrong.
Arrest them for vagrancy and take them to their Embassy.
Great Britain.....today....not good.
This is what happens when you open the border gates and let the rest of unemployed Europeans in.Surprised NOT!
WE would get arrested,locked up and then deported if we did this in their country - hash, beds, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:38 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ We would get arrested and locked up with a nice big fine if we did this in THIS country.
They're not homeless - they have homes in their own Country. For all our sakes - these people should be obliged to sign a contract when entering this Country - break it for any reason, littering to the worst, and home they go. If they want to appeal, do it from their homeland. We didn't fight for their freedom we fought for our own! Goodbye Britain - you were great.
About time we rounded these people up and dumped them back to where they came from - labeled not wanted, surplus to requirements. What I really think would be unprintable..
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.- GoodMorning, City of Angel, United Kingdom, 6/9/2013 10:51 +++++++++++ What are you talking about, there is no Soviet Union anymore. Everybody was so happy when the Soviet Union was broken up, well the chickens are coming home to roost now, in Britain.
Looks like Dave has a big ''to do'' list...so once he gets back from sorting the Syrian situation out and throwing 300 million there,will he will come back and sort his own back garden out....How can it be that within a few paces of one on the worlds leading financial centres there are homeless,distitute people sleeping rough...and defacing memorials that honour the price our young men and women paid for their freedom to do so....
can someone please tell me what is the point when they are all invited back in january anyway ?? what a disgrace and a laughing stock we have become cameron needs to be ousted now !!!
take all their litter and deliver to number 10, until that happens they will do nothing
UK becoming USA....:(.
The shiny new Britain that the Labour Party created, millions in poverty, schools and hospitals unable to cope, incurable TB on the increase and crime rocketing. Thanks for your open door policy on immigration, our nation owes the Labour Party a great debt of gratitude!
and we allow this WHY?
Oh please someone give them a home
But they DO have homes - Back in their own countries. Why should we have to put up with it? The EU's own rules state that you must be able to support yourself and have 3 months to find a job - if not then you are not allowed to be a drain on the host country's resources and must go home. How about Cameron starts enforcing it instead of throwing petulant tantrums about not getting his own way over Syria. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns!!!!
go HOME! or face arrest please
wait until next year. Our country will even more classed as third world
So they can afford condoms, drugs and beer. It might help if Plod enforced the law when they can drag themselves out of the nearest McDonalds or kebab shop which appear to be London`s "unofficial" police stations these days
Put them on a military transport plain and send them back where the came from.Forget those idiotic EU rules.
I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is. - Amy, Bath, 6/9/2013 10:37......................Don't suppose you'll be offering up your bed? Thought not.
give me back my country and sack all politicians
MPs SEE THIS,, or as always turn a blind eye,, close our boarders,,get out of the EEC,
Time to purge, you choose how.
Simple, at border control ask for prove of residence and confirmation of employment. If this cannot be provided, turn them around and send them back. Not exactly rocket science is it?
I think it was John Major who signed the OPEN DOOR treaty at Maastrict. I wonder what he will be thinking when he sees the results of his actions?
this boys and girls is where any austerity measure savings are going. Cleaning up after them, housing them, paying them benefits. we are being robbed under the watch of lib lab and con. We need to change, will another party be just the same? For sure voting the same over and over will not change things. A vote for ukip is a vote for labour - LIES. A vote for any other party than lib lab con is a vote for your childrens future IMO.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! The soft touch liberals can call me whatever they want, but I do not want these people in my country!
The EU right to roam needs to be enforced on the basis that it was intended, namely to work in any country. It does not give the right to doss and become criminals. Ship all unemployed EU roamers home. Perhaps a condition of entry should be some form of bond that would ensure their return if they become unemployed.
They're having a laugh, get them out.
I wish our useless government would forget about sticking their nose into the business of others, and do something about the state of Britain, before we are sleeping on the streets of other countries!
Big deal
Good luck to them. These people are made of hard stuff!
These people shouldn't have the option of being asked if they want a free flight back to where they came from,they should be rounded up and sent back anyway. London looks like it is becoming a pig sty.Disgusting.
Make them build a raft and get home them self why should we pay, they should not be here in the first place.
If they have no job, no house, no money, how did they get here in the first place, how did they pay the fare? Or did they get in the back of a lorry?
They should be immediately deported. I fear this will only get worse when we allow Romanians in
Will UKIP deport them?
Vote UKIP and they'll be gone -
This is what happens when professional politicians run a country, no life outside the hallowed halls of power, so fail to see the mistakes they make and the results there of.
Hose them down with water. That will move them on!
And your words of wisdom Blair are.... Get out of the madness that is the EU VOTE UKIP
Come out of the EU then round these people and send them back from wence they came.Simples
Hose them down, a nice drop of cold water from a water cannon should do the trick nicely.
Can't the authorities just capture them, deport them and black list their name. Poor illegal & unemployed immigrants most probably will create social troubles to the country. The country has to force its entrepreneurs to employ its own citizens and force the latters to accept employment they're offered rather than letting it go to immigrants.
As Jack Straw would say this is modern Britain, The New labour project that is bearing the fruits of their lust for voters, to stay in power.
Putin is absolutely right about this country. Our politicians have sold us out. His oligarchs do own Chelsea and these lot degage our nations pride.
These are not your normal emigrants, Lithuania for example is not a poor country and the people I have worked with from there are hard working intelligent people. These people are transients who move to wherever they think the pickings are better, and that means wandering from country to country scrounging.
I've worked in Mayfair for many years. In the past few months one particular road I go down on the walk from the station to the office, has started to be used as a public meeting place and toilet (for both pee and poo). The smell in the morning is overpowering. I've complained to Westminster City Council and to be fair they acted really quickly and the pavement and walls are now washed down daily and the rubbish is cleared. Homeless people have always been in the area, but what's changed that the homeless now use the streets as public toilets? Oh, hang on a minute . . . .
Oh...Great Britain *sigh* :'(
Oh...Great Britain *sigh* :'(
Thank you labour and con rats.
Get real this is the future...self inflicted by our 650 MPs... We can expect more of the same ... As 650 MPs have no committment to want to control immigration to a basic well unforced controllable level... ... some of our MPs appear to be a liability in controlling the UKs best needs ... Of the majority... in years to come it will cost the uk dearly in local conflicts and aggrovation to all... We could end up with mini townships like south Africa as increased homeless flood th uk...in the next 25 years...as spendable income reduces year on year for so many...Reported 45,000 empty shops in the UK and growing ... is a bad bad sign .. Of where the uk is heading...
They or anyone else shouldn't be allowed in unless they can prove they have a residence and place of employment.
Offered free flights home but they're choosing to stay? There should be no choice available to them and they should be returned to wherever they came from!
One word... Porta-loo (or is it two?) Problem solved though!
Britain deserves what it gets - this is what happens when Liberal do gooders dictate the immigration policy a country for too long.
Well done Labour.
That's disgusting, why the Police aren't doing anything? Send them back home ASAP
any other country will just ship them out (including other European countries) but UK is weak.
All part of the EU's contribution to european exports, the communities dross, and funded by, you guessed correct, taxpayers !!!
This would not be tolerated in their own countries. Come on wake up for gods sale UK government. STOP this insult to god fearing, tax paying, law abiding UK citizens.
Why the government allow this to happen in the first time? Because they are IRRESPONSIBLE THEY DONT REALLY CARE and put all the population to live with this disgrace situation - THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS UK SHOULD CUT WITH THE LIBERALS OF THE EU they were are and will be a bunch of lazy politicians without any progressive sought
EUROTRASH!!
This makes my blood boil, it should be like Australia, no job or skill and you not allowed into the country. I would say our country is too soft but it's the EU that control the UK these days.
Send them back!!!!!!!
Wait until they can all come here legally. This problem has only just started. But Cameron will not know tucked up in his 1 million pound house.
And this is the taste of what's to come but on a mass scale, R.I.P. UK
Well done Labour.
surely if they are homeless and not contributing to society they should be deported? Why would they want to live here is there is nothing for them? I am not against immigrants but coming to England to be homeless is just insane.
Just send them home under EU rules you must have a job and somewhere to live,what is going on!!
They are homeless! Regardless of age, religion or nationality homeless people deserve our compassion. What sort of society are we if we can't show a bit of compassion to the most vulnerable. I am a bit disgusted at some of the comments. Red arrow away it only proves my point!
David Cameron & all his cronies have let this happen, let them deal with it. That's what they get paid for.
So when will that somebody we elected to run the country have the guts to sling them out - EU or no EU!
Why are they not moved on or prosecuted for trespass?
Get rid of them
Who would have imagined the import of homeless...beggars belief.
And it is going to get much worse, thanks new Labour,vote UKIP its our ONLY hope,
Where are they getting the money to buy the beer, drugs etc?
When I enter Canada and the U.S.A every time they ask where you are staying, and the date of your return flight. so why not put in in place in the U.K. and it takes so little time.
welcome to the Doss House of the world, 2013 GREAT Britain. What a shambles.
Being work shy got nobody anywhere ever
They evict them. They come back. Close the borders, send them home don't let any more in. The price of belonging to europe - is a price too high.
It's a free world. No one in this country created this world therefore it is not owned by anyone. Welcome to Britain
London is quite mild in winter compared to the Baltic be prepared for more to arrive
You stupid people haven't seen anything yet. Just wait till this time next year. You don't realise just what you are letting yourselves in for. It will make the last Polish invasion , and make no bones about it that is exactly what it is, look like a trickle.
We couldn't do that in their country!
We MUST vote UKIP they are the ONLY party that WILL get us OUT of the EU and has the KAHUNA'S to sort the endless problems being a member of the EU has brought to OUR country. We must get control of OUR laws (75% are made by the EU) money (56 million a day to the EU/12 billion overseas aid a year and rising) borders and way of life, which has been destroyed by the EU LOVING lib/lab/con!!!!!!!
And that´s what happens when you let poor European countries that are poor like the developing countries, into the EU. This is just the beginning....And you people thought that Immigrants from your former colonies were/are bad!
Why, if they don't have a permanent abode or British Citizenship, are they not taken straight to a flight back to where they came from? Like it or not!
get rid NOW ! and vote UKIP
Cameron : DO SOMETHING
They should only be allowed in if they have jobs lined up, no chancers and free loaders
It is not their fault.
Istead of offering free flights home how about forcing them on a plane home! If they are polluting our streets and are unable to find a home then ship them back to where they came from.
I hope its a long hard winter!
WHY ARE THEY BEING MOVED ON, THEY SHOULD BE LOADED IN A VAN AND DUMPED BACK ON THE CONTINENT!!!! Why are they here?? they have no means to provide for themselves, they don't speak English - WE ARE A JOKE, TO THEM, GROW A SET CAMERON AND CO, AND GET RID OF THIS SCUM!!!!! If anyone wishes to live in another country you HAVE to show immigration your bank account, have means, skills, qualifications and family who will support you, what is wrong with having the same rules FOR EVERYONE!!!!
Cameron and chums couldn't care less , Milliband and Clegg wont even talk about it . Most politicians are being very British about immigration , I.E sticking their heads in the sand and hoping things sort themselves out . There is only UKIP , anything else is burying our heads in the sand and hoping things sort themselves out .
Camoron and all you other MP idiots, take note and let's hope you don't have this outside your homes, very doubtful
This is the state of the country Cameron is trying to defend. Actions speak louder than words!
Lol, what a dump the UK is becoming... It will be cold soon so lets just cut to the chase and sweep out all the exhibits so they can kip in the museum itself where they will be warm...
Disgusting
What if we all behaved like this? Well, a) there would be no room for them to hang their clothes on our treasured sites, and b) there would be no-one paying into the social security to pay their benefits. For crying out loud Dave, you're the person we entrusted to look after our country. No wonder the Russians think we are weak.
Firstly. They are not going to have any concerns about our history, (you could say why should they, it's not their country). These are desperate people. I feel sorry for them, as they come from an excluded group in their own country. But, that doesn't mean to say I am happy for them to be over here. They offer us only problems and should be deported forthwith. Thank you EUSSR. Time to take control of our borders.
Arrest and deport them under the vagrancy act. Fine them for littering. Arrest them for lewd behaviour. Arrest them under the use of class a drugs. Etc etc
the deputy prime minister should act now and as the PM has other pressing issues would gain the public vote in showing some bottle to regain our country from the evil of the EU and unwanted immigration...
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches. They are not Russians-Russia is NOT in the EU and wouldn't want to be!. Facts right first please!!
How about if they clutter and ruin our priceless monuments like the ingrates they are, they have to do community services. clean up their own mess then everyone elses, not a prison sentence though, that will give them what they want. Repeat offenders are deported out the country.
Reading stuff like this INCENSES me. It is high time to remove these 'people' from our streets and despatch them from whence they came and NO APPEALS. Stuff the EU beaurocrats! And you know what volcano, Italy - there is NO point in having border controls because there AREN'T ANY CONTROLS
WHY? Are we not deporting these people? They are NOT working migrants, NOT working, They turn our parks and gardens into rubbish tips,. This incompetent government has a lot to answer for with their shambles on immigration!!
Soon this will be British people due to the problems in part caused by IDS and the bedroom tax also the constant attacks on the poor.
'They was offered free one way flights home, but the chose London streets instead' why are they being given the option?! Just load them up and send them back!
Enough is enough. Stop this by standing up to the E.U. and changing the law....quickly!
Gordon Brown and Tony Blair are you reading this. You brought them over here for more votes now you are not in power you wash your hands of them, shame on you.
When January comes....just you wait.
Just round them up and on the first plane back to where they came from..France.
Hooray for the EU.. Come and use our country as a toilet. ;-(
Get the Spanish police to move them.....they don;t mess around!
we need to change our rules and only let in from the eu countries those that have accommodation and only allow two years work permit, no benefits at all. if Spain and Greece are not giving any medical help then we must do the same. the rules must be the same for all that's the whole point of the eu!
Wait while next year, what you see now will be nothing compared to then.
It seems in this country no one cares if you destroy churches or any spiritual monument. However, if a war monument is touch everyone gos crazy. Since when did we become a war obsessed nation? We have stop thinking about what happens after death and instead work on ways of creating machines to bring about other people's deaths.
I thought everyone loved everyone?. That whole 'we are all equal' speech I hear daily on here about sexual, racial discrimination. When it's our money on the line, greed comes out. Hypocrites.
Blame her majestys goverment not the eastern european dossers.
these people should be kicked out immediately - why they are even allowed to spend the night there? It is a disgrace. The PRIDE to have a great country is really gone... we are run by muppets.
Wait till January!
No where to go?... how about HOME!
Tony Blair has loads of property that is rarely used, why not house them there? Cherie can then do all her 'human rights' work from home - sorted.
if they are sleeping rough they should be deported as they are clearly not contributing anything to the uk
I thought the whole point of the freedom of movement within the EU was that people could move to WORK freely in the member states. I did not realise it gave the whole of the EU permission to doss in the UK and receive benefits! Why on earth are we letting them in without work or a place to live?!
This is depressing. And this at the same time we read that primary schools are coming under pressure for places - this is partly down to too much immigration as well. At the end of the day we are a small island with limited resources - we just simply can't take any more!
so how many Syrians do you think hes gonna let in
Well why let them in the country in the first place? - nicola , glasgow, 06/9/2013 10:15>>>>>>>I had always believed the open borders were for seeking employment, yet some of the women appear to be much older, I cannot believe they are seeking work. I wonder what the reaction would be if we all arrived on mass in other EU cities parks and squares?
Where are the boys in blue??????????????????????????
I am tired of DM calling all of former soviet block countries "eastern Europeans". Most of former yougoslavian contres are Balcan region, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia is Central Europe, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia are Northern Europe and so on. If would be the same if I started calling uk, Italy and France Western Europe and saying that Italians with distinctive Mediterranean features look like Anglo Saxons reporting another wild stag party somewhere in Baltic states. Please, name the country and not a former political block. Otherwise it gives bad name to all other countries assossiated with that terminology.
This is a communist country now so get used to it , because more of the same is coming and our bought for politicians couldn't care less .
Just the tip of the Iceberg wait until next year they will be everywhere. And the members of the Houses of Wasteminster will do nothing.
If I go to America I have to give an address for where I am staying. So why East Europeans can simply turn up with no where to go is wrong. They have somewhere to go - Home. All the Addresses for MPs should be published with transport links to their Gardens. Once camped outside these locations lets see how quickly something is done about the problem.
our government is a bloody joke they should have never have been allowed in to the UK in the first place - operate a system like Canada or Australia - if you've a trade and money to bring to our economy ok, if you've nothing, then no thank you. why should we, the hard working taxpayer fund these scroungers, we don't want them, the crime rate rises, and they are a complete public nuisance, when oh when will they wake up to this?!!!
if they have no job and are sleeping rough the flight home should not be optional
If they have no residence technically they cant get a job. So they are ILLEGAL!!!! Next boat out !!!!!!!
Why would you want to come to the UK and be homeless?
Ah, the joys of EU membership.
Send them back from whence they came! They clearly do not have the means to support themselves as they have no jobs and no home, so will most likely beg and steal from us. They have very low morals and hygiene standards. Why should the honest British taxpayer have to put up with this?
I'd say move them outside of MP's homes but they all seem to have second homes miles away that we pay for as well. This will only get worse, the border agency admits immigration is out of control and they don't know how to stop it!
Your comments: Arrest them for vagrancy, and then deport them first taking their DNA so they can be checked if they try to get back in, BRITIAN is becoming the cesspool of Europe!!!.....voteUKIP
When will our country learn? I'm sure other countries wouldn't allow this.
Round them up, ship them out...
Send them all to where they came pdq.
Send round a police van. Take their details, finger prints etc. Straight to the airport. Deport same day. Job done.
UKIP
If they have no work then kick them back to where they came from!
How about giving them directions so they can go and sleep outside Theresa Mays house and she can pick up their used condoms and excrement?
A good cold winter will get rid of them.
Wait till the EU ban comes off this should be spectacular mwhaha
...it's a direct result of the Tony and Cherie comedy show.
sorry but theres no way i would want to live in london now days hgopefully the weather will sort them out
Why dont a police officer walk round EVERY morning and night and move them a long. I mean what are my taxes paying for? Its not hard.
Stop letting them through the god dam borders then
Nicola It is very simple. Under European law they cannot be stopped from entering the UK. Do not blame the police or Border Force as they can do nothing about it. Until we leave the EU we are stuck with these people whether we like it or not.
They can always go home.
If they have no where to live that has hygiene and toilet facilities they should be collected up and sent home. Or is the government going to wait until some serious epidemic breaks out.
Let them sleep rough outside No 10 perhaps then David Cameron will realize this sort of thing cannot be allowed to continue, plus see what staying in the E.U. results in.
Who is 'His Holiness' ?
pick them up and move them out back to Eastern Europe by the bus load
think this is bad wait till January 01st 2014!!
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane. - jaffacakefuel , London, 06/9/2013 10:02..YEAH BUT thjey simply move elsewhere so the problem doesn't go away it just re locates!
Throw them out!
Just thank David Cameron for this........ he must be so proud off his achievements ...
What`s happened to the vagrancy laws?
Stayed at Park Lane recently where they hang out around the entrance to the tube, ignored their begging, but still intimidating to a woman with 3 kids, a blight on our fab city.
This is disgusting, why are they allowed to stay in the country, they should be rounded up and put in a van back to where ever they came from and not allowed to stay in the country. No Job, No home then don't stay in the country. I have had enough of our taxes supporting people from other countries who have never contributed to the system. the EU is killing this country.
The came here illegally, they have no reason to stay. They should be deported for this, I'm sick of homeless immigrants, some set up camp in the childrens play park by my home, they would get undressed in front of children and it took weeks to convince the council to do anything. If you come here to work, don't have work and don't contribute to society, get the hell out.
Welcome to Blair's Britian.
Not putting anything into the system, yet using up time and money at the expense of the tax payer once again! Pack em up, send em home! We need to adopt the attitudes of the Aussies!
Send the photos and the clean-up bills to Brussels.
Thank you,yet again,Mr.Blair...!
House them next door to all the MP's that voted for this failed social experiment
This is disgusting, why are they allowed to stay in the country, they should be rounded up and put in a van back to where ever they came from and not allowed to stay in the country. No Job, No home then don't stay in the country. I have had enough of our taxes supporting people from other countries who have never contributed to the system. the EU is killing this country.
don't allow them get settled in, move them same day, after they have cleared their mess up.
and the problem is only going to get worse next year !
They are not wanted here in Britain, they are just a strain on our society but remember if Cameron had any guts none of this would be happening and also remember this is just the first trickle of a huge flood heading our way!
If they have no accommodation, they should be booted out...not let loose to go elsewhere.
Deport the bloody lot of them NOW.
I bet there isn't a Litter man from Westminster Council in sight, If that had been a londoner dropped a crum off a sandwich they would have been all over him......amazing.
Is this what happens to your country when you have a big heart .
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Eastern Europe and its immense opulence and riches.
A bit more attention to our country and a bit less posing on the world stage may not go amiss Cameron.
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.
Do you think this would happen in Bern? I suspect they would not get in in the first place or if they did cleared out of the country sharp-ish. We are literally and rapidly becoming the toilet of Europe.
Will someone please give them directions to our politician's houses and Westminster. Until the idiots who purport to be in charge have to live with the problems that their ineptitude create nothing will change. The only time our politicians have listened to us is when their jobs, were threatened. Cameron did n't offer us a vote on Europe because it was the right thing to do, he was worried about UKIP. Bear that in mind at the European elections.
That's disgusting
If they are out of work as they claim, then Britain clearly ins't the country for you. Up sticks and try one of the other European countries. They are all just as accessible as you, and some of them even speak your language.
Well,so much for Putin's Versailles reenactment. What was that comment again he made about the UK .Surely,he won't want to bother such a small country with his homeless countrymen.They should be shipped back to vast Russia and its immense opulence and riches.
The Tories have had 3 years to think about this FORESEEABLE problem; yet today they are just doing things on the hoof.
Ive worked in two countries abroad and in order to enter these particular two there was strict entry requirements ,the main being details of work/job as the reason you were coming to the country were mandatory,regardless of being in the European union unless they have a job to come to then they should not be let in!
Easy, just take them to their embassy's let them sort it out.
What a sad state of affairs, when are our politicians going to realize that their calling is to run the country for the good of their constituents, and not to turn a blind eye to what is happening to our once green and pleasant land. If our elected representatives feel that they cannot do the job then they should resign and make way for someone who can.
maybe this will shut george galloway up the stupid man wants this.
Why are they 'being offered' free flights home? Surely, if these people do not have a permanent residence and place of work then the flight home should be compulsory not optional? It's time the UK started to get tough on immigration and ignored the 'human rights' brigade.
uk dumping ground for the riff raff
Is it SO difficult to restrict immigrants entering this country unless they have have written proof of a job and somewhere to live - for at least one year after entry. What is the point of border controls????
No sympathy whatsoever, they don't come from war zones or extreme poverty. Go home.
If the people of this country don't vote UKIP at the next election, to end this shameful misuse of our hospitality, then there will be no end to sights like this. Vote UKIP and get us out of the mess that is the EU.
For goodness sake, why can't we deal with this? It's ridiculous, Mr Cameron, SORT.......IT.......OUT.
Bring back the Iron Curtain! Don't blame the EC - it was the fall of Communism that brought about all this.
If they have no where to go what are they doing in Britain and as they are homeless they arn´t there to work are they?
If they arrive here with no money, no job and nowhere to live, turn them away. If they are going to be a burden on the UK, turn them away. Other countries do.
Tony Blair should be made to clear up after these people- after all, he let them come here.
GET US OUT OF THE EU and send these 'benefit migrants' back to any EU country, we do not want them and we cannot afford them. UKIP we need you.
Cameron ... close our boarders before the rest of them pitch up
They are not wanted here in Britain, they are just a strain on our society but remember if Cameron had any guts none of this would be happening and also remember this is just the first trickle of a huge flood heading our way!
Labour opened the doors to all this nonsense the Tories haven't got the guts to do anything about it. UKIP is the only alternative left.
And it's only going to get worse!
We either need much stronger anti-vagrancy lwas or for the police to start upholding those that we do have.
It is simple, keep moving em on until they go home. Under EU legislation they must be able to support themselves even if "on holiday" - if they are living on the streets you can kick them out. A standard three-month stay is only valid if you have somewhere to stay. Read the damn laws properly and stop pussyfooting around. The main obstacle is that stupid UK judges have totally misunderstood the human rights legislation and their idiot judgements have created cases of precedence.
Bless their souls.
what about the thousands of british born homeless people?? not worth reporting hey DM
Starting in the Spring of 2014, the Government admits that as many as 150.000 more will be arriving in Britain. Independent estimates are more like 1.7 Million.....
WE would get arrested,locked up and then deported if we did this in their country
I don't agree with them being here at all but I do have sympathy for them when I see a young man sleeping rough on the street. whatever nationality he is.
It's a wonder they haven't been offered mansions in central London isn't it.
Declare yourself homeless and move up the council waiting list, they obviously did their homework before arriving in London
But they are cheaper to employ!
This is so wrong but politicians do nothing.
im pretty sure theres still a lot more UK homeless people, but that's not worth reporting is it DM
The UK is an absolute joke! Glad i left when i did.
Over crowded England come to mind!
They need to camp out on parliament green then our politicians might get the message. Too little is being done and the easiest solution has always been is to move them on to the neighbouring boroughs rather than addressing the issues.
the only place you will never see them is outside a politicians house. But they are pretty much every where else.
May be the Department For International Development will buy them a house. They buy one for everyone else.
This island will sink soon, it's already on its way. I fear what future my children have.
This is getting ridiculous, thousands of tax payers money is being spent on clearing up their mess every time!
Well why let them in the country in the first place?
Nowhere to go? How about home?
To be fair the police are raiding and clearing them quickly. Saw a raid this morn top of park lane.
When is crap going to stop. we need to send this polish back then our own men canwork. its time we looked after our own. Mr. Cameron want to look after the British people, we are feeling let down by this so called government. all his promises were smoke screen he has lied every way. Its time we the British people stood up for their right, you would not see the French standing around and doing nothing. Mambo Marina - stafford
No work for a lot of UK citizens and also no training for 200,000 who could not get into uni this year. Could it be because there are 75-85,000 Chinese students in this country! I only have the figures for Chinese students but I know there are many of Indian, Pakastani, French, Greek etc, etc, etc, Time to emigrate!
In my opininion, the more Polish people who come to this country the better. They are polite, hardworking, tough and don't moan and whine like the locals (whose sense of entitlement defies belief) Oh, and the women are so much better looking and turned-out than the lazy, ugly trolls in my street. - Chris, London, 18/11/2010 Would have to agree with you Chris on your first point. I have had numerous small and large jobs needing doing in my home. I have lost track of the countless times I have left my details on a local (British) tradesmans phone, to either not get a call back, or an appointment is not kept, or they run late, or promise to send a qoute, and then you hear nothing. the odd occasion a job has been tackled, it ends up being bodged, and costing even more to repair I have gone back to my trusty east european worker, who is always on time, tackles any task, small or large, and does it to a very high standard, Sorry Brits You had your chance ansd you blew it!!
Many of the Polish girls working in cafes and restaurants in Scotland have my vote. They're motivated, hard working and can speak better English than the locals - mind you that's not difficult. As one Polish girl serves me and the missus our coffees at Costa some local lad is standing outside selling the Big Issue claiming he can't find a job. In Scotland, we have eastern europeans working on potato farms and berry farms while many Scots just prefer to go on the dole and blame 'the rich/the English/the Tories etc. for their troubles. These excuses are endorsed by left wing politicians. If I was an employer I might prefer the resourceful Polish to the local who has embraced victimhood.
The problem is that all Eastern Europeans will always be prepared to work for far less wages than existing U.K. residents, not because they possess any additional work ethos but because what they get paid is an excellent wage compared to what they would be paid in their own country. So when they return then what they have earned will enable them to live far more comfortably. In comparison, the pathetic wages now offered by British businesses will not allow the average British worker to rise much above the poverty line. No way was that pathetic under estimate by the government of how many Poles would enter the U.K. in the 1st year they were entitled to do so a genuine error. Anyone with half a brain would have anticipated a mass influx. The politicians are merely the servants of the banks and businessmen..and businessmen want cheap labour. Why do you think we are now negotiating with Turkey to join the E.U.?
The problem is that it's more lucrative to scrounge benefits and those who've discovered how to milk the system do just that. Polish plumbers still want to work despite this. It's all the others we should be worried about - loafing about watching satellite TV in paid for housing, popping out to their fully funded college courses when the children of taxpaying parents can't afford the fees, with council funded (Polish) nannies looking after their babies during the day at £8 ph, sprogging away without a care in the world because our taxes support their indolence. Hurry up David and Nick. I know there are too many holes to plug but you've got to be quick.
The majority of the Eastern Europeans work cash in hand, and if they can they also claim benefits. This is a fact that the powers that be try to hide. The taxpayer of the UK will eventually be so up to their necks in taxes trying to support this out dated welfare system, that we will sink into the sea under the weight of the problem. British people who have skills to offer are abandoning the UK in their droves. The UK in the future will just be a Country of Dreggs, wouldn't be surprised if eventually we are totally cut off from the rest of the world. As no one will want to trade with us, as we are also a refuge for the terrorists of the world, it seems from the news that we even allow terrorism to flourish within our state school system. The UK is doomed because we continue to elect goverments who see the EU as some sort of Utopia instead of the hell it actually is. Be very careful who you vote for next time, it may be your last chance to vote.
Govt. and business need to work together to ensure that jobs go first to British nationals. Is that so difficult to put in practice? Train our own young population to get ready to fill skill jobs. Govt. has to work harder to reduce immigration for British nationals to fill job vacancies hence reducing stress on welfare handouts. Companies can seek skilled migrants as long as they are prepared to pay for their needs and repatriation. Moreover there is no offer of British passport on the table. You will then find not many companies seeking to bring skill migrants to UK. There are solutions if there is a will.
Big business would rather bring people in from overseas than invest in training UK people themselves. Their claims that the skills are not available here is rubbish - they are responsible for this. They are not interested in training people up because UK workers would expect decent wages unlike those coming in from abroad who will do a skilled job for peanuts. Why and how are thousands of foreign workers being trained if there is no work for them in their own countries? Who is training them? It's stinks rotten and Vince Cable seems to have had a brain bypass since the election. It is also time for the government to start new training initiatives and schemes for getting people ready for work.
I do not agree Poles are taking jobs Britsh will not do !! they are taking all the construction jobs and are working in offices and banks...also I they have loud noisy conversations in their native tongue ,in the streets and on buses ..this is rude..at least people from India have the good manners to converse in English!
Anita, London, I doubt you would take these crappy jobs, were I work the cleaners work up to 12 hours a day have 3, 30 minutes break just get over minimum wage. People are rude to them and they have to deal with their filth. Some of them are British, some are not, they have to push around a trolley all day, after a few years they have back problems. They all want to leave, but who will employ them in a different career, cleaner is the kiss of death, they could try and study but then they are a cleaner with a qualification. A lot of employers for these crappy jobs would rather take foreigners, because they have a stronger work ethic, after all they came here to work and earn as much as possible. Those programs about white unemployed people turning up their noses at work, doesnÂ’t help either. My only complaint is so many have flooded the career I want to get into that I now have to do an expensive course and work for free to have a chance of getting my foot through the day.
This is good news for British workers.We employ teaboys too you know..
As Poland joined the EU and Poles were given access to our labour market, the Home Office assured Ministers that no more than 30,000 would come here. That was a slight underestimate, based on the number of Poles refused entry to the UK in the previous year. The Home Office did not factor in the deterrent effect of the immigration control that we then had. LetÂ’s hear it for the Home Office, folks!
Anita: Do you think Polish people would be happy, having made a good standard of living in their country, their government then opened the doors to people from other, less developed countries? Those people would then flood in and drive down the wages because they're happy to do anything for for half the wages and live ten to a room. That's what happened in Britain. As for the fabled Polish plumbers and electricians? Fine if you want hot water filling your toilet cistern and wall sockets melting when you plug something in. I prefer to use qualified British tradesmen, not clueless amateurs.
Cameron has let the core working class down badly.......and he will rue the day at the next election . Conservatives and LIbDems will be toast at the next election...that's if the country can take this sort of treatment that long.
It gets me when the Govt. and media say these Eastern Europeans are taking "low income" jobs:they are extremely high income jobs to them because their home country has a very low cost of living compared to the U.K. and if that is not unfair competition with our people then what is? Our politicians have got their brains in their backsides or are on the take :are they blind to the fact they are taking away our jobs,our houses ,our freedom,our democracy,our childrens birthright to live in the country for which their forfathers and parents have sacrificed their lives and sweated blood and toil to create? They have thrown down the gauntlet and the fight is now on.There will be only one winner :us.
No British Government, has ever been given Consent, either to join the EU, or to import Millions of Foreign Nationals.
Unless the Uk withdraws from the EU there is nothing we can do to stop these people coming here. Equally, how many Irish citizens have come seeking work in the UK since there economy crashed? Publish some figures Dave, if you dare. Dave and Tory Clegg haven't the bottle to remove us from the Eu or even have a referendum on the subject so there is little we can do. Oh, and when Turkey joins, as Dave wants, the floodgates will really open.
SEND THEM PACKING NOT FAIR ON US BRITS GET RID OF THEM NOW
British 20-30 year olds can be devided into two groups. the completely untrained, who expect to earn 2-3000 pounds a month doing labouring jobs, working 5 hours a day and with 8 weeks holiday. The second group are graduates with no job experience, virtually illiterate and with the idea that they should enter the working world as middle management with a 4 hour working day, 3 months holiday, a 5-10,000 monthly pay and an assistant to actually do their job. Is anyone surprised that hard working, highly qualified east europeans are taking the available jobs. This generation of gap year students are mostly unfitted and unwilling to work.
VOTE THE BNP IN NEXT TIME THEY WILL SORT OUT OUR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!
Neither the EU or uncontrolled immigration has been good for this country if our government won't protect us the only way will be riots and eventually a general strike. Roll on the revolution.
I agree with many of the comments about the Eastern Europeans being hard working and willing to take jobs we Brits don't want to do. However, If this government wants people off benefits and in work then there has to be the jobs and the will power to force the unemployed Brits into that work, no matter how menial. If many of the jobs are going to people outside of this country what chance do we have of achieving that. By all accounts we are supposed to be taking in 40% of the Indains coming to the UK. How does that work when we are far smaller both in size and economy and general infrastructure when compared to other EU contries, namely France and Germany. I'm starting to feel that the UK is either being PUNISHED for not whole heartedly going into the EU State and or we are being used as a DUMPING ground for the EU and its hair brained schemes.
Well from what I have seen many of the British workforce (usually male) want to be paid good money for doing sba and the infuriating thing about it is that many of these people work in companies subsidised by the taxpayer who may only be earning the minimum wage but have no say in the matter. Only this morning there are 2 reports of workers in car plants threatening to go on strike for more pay. Firemen, railway/tube workers, airport crew are notorious for striking at the busiest times of the year to cause the most inconvenience to people. Many workers in the NHS and local government spend more time off sick than they do at work. How often do you employ a plumber, builder, electrician etc and they actually do a good job at a reasonable rate? In my experience not very often. It is no wonder that employers will employ foreign workers is it?
"We need this contribution to our economy where we pay child allowance for migrant workers to send back to their overseas children" said government spokesman Piotr Wzinacsky, as he carried his plumbers tools into No 10.
good or british people...24 hrs...plumbing service....
scameron will never take us out of europe or will any of the others because the all belong to a group called the bilderbergers who have a vested interest in keeping us in ( read up about them ) were trapped and cannot do anyrhing about it I remain anonymous because I am frightened to reveal my true identity
so much for getting emplyment for our own people, they are on a loser.
people of this country dont seem to be allowed to even gain work skills let alone get jobs maybe in this day for taxes a special employment tax should be put on companies to pay to give locals work skills that are needed
I don't understand it when the politicions say that European workers comng here benefit the country. I reckon most of them send the money they earn back home to their families, and that includes and child benefit that they can claim while they are working here, so how does that benifit us, the wages they earn should be spent in the UK supporting local business and manufacturers.
Its about time we looked after our own and to hell with the foreign workers even if it means getting completely out of the EU so we can govern our country again.
Good to hear that there might be some reliable plumbers and builders I might be lucky enough to find in the not too distant future.
Another triumph for the Lib/Lab/Con party. Cameron the shameron all talk and no action.
the wages these migrant workers earn goes out of the country into their polish bank accounts. They dont spend it in our stores restaurants or theatres etc so boosting our economy and paying VAT. It is time we boycotted the employers who take them on, the British employers are to blame !!
Our government realises full well what's going on here. It's obvious that this situaton in utterly ludricrous and flies in the face of it's 'drive' to get people back to work. This being the case, one can only draw the conclusion that there's an ulterior motive somewhere. It seems to make no difference which of the main three parties is in power, nothing changes. After all, we're in the unique situation where all three have been in power. What is the REAL reason that hundreds of thousands of immigrants are allowed to come and go as they please, claim benefits from day one and generally bleed us dry? We badly need someone in infuence to take up the cause of the British people. Someone who won't cave in at the first whisper of that over-used, much abused word 'racism'. Someone with the strength of character to stand up to the EU and PC bigots and tell them that enough is enough. If someone does, they'll find that they have an avalanche of support.
The last government & this shower have said immigrants from the former Soviet Block would make enough money to set up a business at home then leave. Anyone with any sense knew it was a blatant lie. Labour wanted them because they thought they would say thank you by voting for them. The glib/dems/cons want them because cheap labour means more profit for business & more tax revenue for government. At the end of the day, along with international prestige, that's all any government cares about It's UKIP for me next time.
Poland is not the only Central & Eastern European country! Stop picking on Poles. Eight Central and Eastern European countries (Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia), plus the Mediterranean islands of Malta and Cyprus joined on 1 May 2004. Romania and Bulgaria joined in 2007
We may not like it - but at least these guys come to WORK not sponge! Perhaps - for every working immigrant we could swap one of our lazy dossers?
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country. - Lynda, Adelaide, South australia So it's ok for you to go between Australia and the UK to work but it's not ok for Polish people? Get real Lynda. I see so many anti-immigration comments from expats in Thailand, New Zealand, Australia and beyond...can you not see your hypocrisy?
Plumbing - a 'lower-income' job..............do me a favour - its £50 and hour minimum.
WHY UK....do this to they own peoples??In Italy...is a different matter...jobs for the locals...no priority to east EU....
And why not they can claim for invisible kids?
Where/how are they finding these jobs? Where are the job ads? I can only think the jobs are being advertised abroad - they certainly aren't advertised here. I work in local govt and there's a good chance I'll lose my job. I am constantly looking at job sites and in the papers - yes, there are a few jobs, but if you look on, say, Reed.co.uk, the jobs have in excess of 100 applicants within a couple of days of them being listed. Having had previous experience of agencies, most of these so called jobs have already gone, but have not been deleted from the websites. TBH, I just despair of this country. Things cannot go on this way... before long half the indigenous population with be unemployed and there will be civil war. Why our glorious leaders cant see this is beyond me. I guess it doesnt affect them as most of them are multi millionaires anyway or landed gentry.
I'd employ a Polish builder over a British one any day of the week. Do I want a hardworking person who will do a good job for a reasonable price or do I want a tea-drinking good-for-nothing workshy person who will do a crap job and try to charge me extortionate prices? Wow, so hard to choose.
GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW and close the borders to immigrants from anywhere in the world. Carrot pickers, plumbers, pick pockets, drug runners, pimps, forgers, metail thieves, identity fraudsters, terrorists, muggers and murderers etc are NOT NEEDED. Even immigrants like NHS nurses, carers, hospital porters and cleaners, pizza delivery drivers, call operators, petrol pump staff etc COULD be fulfilled from trained up British unemployed. It is madness to rely on cheap, foreign labour when our own people are entitled to do the work which IS out there. Benefits should be adjusted so it is better for our unemployed to do that work.
Is Labour still in power then ?
this is how it looks dole for brits. cheap labour for the bosses. time to stop all these people coming in.
Its all about cheap and highly subsidised labour at the manual level for the Businesses, nothing more. This is the Tories. They will pay to keep people out of work as long as the businesses can get cheap workers without any rights whatsoever. They win, tax payers loose. Normal Tories.
The whole situation is a farce. It makes no sense whatsoever to have millions of people on the dole but at the same time fill what jobs there are with foreign labour. Who is actually paying them less than the minimum wage as that is surely illegal!!!! Government and business need to come together so that is more economical to employ a British National. I am not a racist but this country does not have the infrastructure to support all these people. This country is slowly being strangled by these stupid EU policies.
I guess I should not be angry at the Brits, but I am. Most of the time the Polish or any other Eastern European people take the job which is snubbed by the Brits. They are too posh to take the crappy jobs and that is what the foreigners are taking. Shame on them to even writing an article about it!!!!!!!
I understand Dave's "Big Society" now. Emigrants get all the jobs at minimum wages (or less!). British unemployed taxpayers pick up litter for £1 an hour and £65 from the State. Great for employers!
Instead of moaning you should all be grateful that there are hard-working, tax-paying people willing to do the jobs native born parasitic dole scum refuse to but then it is always easy to blame outsiders than see the problems in our own society.
If you can't read Polish, don't go shopping in Didcot, Oxfordshire because several of the large chain shops (e.g. Tesco) have altered their credit/debit card machines to display Polish, leaving the English-speaking shopper up in the air. Same with cameras and electronic stuff in the new Co-op - try a digital camera, select the menu and you will find it is in Polish. Ask for it to be turned back into English and you meet refusal. What the heck is going on in this England of ours?
In my opininion, the more Polish people who come to this country the better. They are polite, hardworking, tough and don't moan and whine like the locals (whose sense of entitlement defies belief) Oh, and the women are so much better looking and turned-out than the lazy, ugly trolls in my street.
The only thing our politicians excel at is, treachery of the British people.
This is what happens and will continue to happen when there are very low welfare payments in Poland and very high welfare payments in the UK
So when the better trained Poles come over to compete with our workers who are untrained because our companies can avoid paying for it...what do we do eh Dave? That`s right we cut training and call our workers lazy!
Re. Kenny of Notts comment - more a case, I would suggest, of the same 100,000 under -educated, work-shy members of the unemployable demographic who'd sooner sponge off the state than go out and earn a day's pay, remaining as they were. Don't fool yourself into thinking that this green and pleasant land has been somehow tarnished by the sweat and toil of others when the term 'Broken Britain', Europe's highest teenage pregnancy rate, ever-increasing gun crime and an emdemic drug problems make for unpalatable statistics that drown out the pomp and ceremony of Britain's self-perceived former colonial glory . I'm very proud of being British, and equally proud of my wife being Polish, but don't pretend to think that the British attitude and mentality towards hard graft are anyting to hold up as an example to others, or that our economy is blighted by a foreign work force. Remember who you are, what you are and what you've been a part of since 1973.
and it doesn't help that loads of our factories are shutting up shop here after setting up production lines in eastern europe and forcing our workers to train the eastern europeans...
Now if only Stanislav, the young Polish plumber would come back! He is sorely missed!
lets see if the people who are loosing public secter jobs are as silent this time round now that its them competing for the few low paid jobs out there.. i predict a riot
And the mindless mentalists who think its good for the economy are? You guessed it. The suits in Whitehall. The unemployed British working class are angry.Very angry.Many people are being made redundant only to see there jobs replaced by a foreign agency worker two weeks later.( Me included ) Certain members of the establishment should read there public school history books again and see what happend to the last lot who said if there is no bread then let them eat cake.
Who cares? It doesn't affect me. A lot of angry comments from people who can't write a sentence correctly and we argue that these foreigners don't know the language! I guess these uneducated people are the ones working in these low-end jobs. Should have worked harder in school and university instead of doing manual labour. Tough luck!
if you go into any manufacturing company they are all EU citizens no english because they will work long hours with out complaint, if the company want to make any changes to working conditions they do and tell the workers like it or lump it you know where the door is, they can work for less money because there are 6 people or more to a house, so the english have no chance of getting any job even if they could afford too. when is a party going to stand up for our rights and not non english peole.
gdb, bangkok thailand, 18/11/2010 01:46 Why not put your skills to work helping your own country? just a thought.
There is little comment on how migrant workers are giving work to their own people, not making the jobs available on the open jobs market. I often am amazed by how, in certain places - eg. chain stores, not only how poor the ability of English is, but that there is a common (eastern european or asian) language amongst the staff. With such limited language skills, how can they even manage to apply for jobs here without considerable help from their own communities?
Economy must be turning around !! Still puzzles me why I have no desire to go to Poland.
It seems that indigenous Brits no longer work in catering . When I visited England in June I only heard Eastern European accents among the staff in pubs and restaurants .
Poland is not the only Central & Eastern European country! Stop picking on Poles. Eight Central and Eastern European countries (Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia), plus the Mediterranean islands of Malta and Cyprus joined on 1 May 2004. Romania and Bulgaria joined in 2007
Turn the lot round and send them home.
The Tories love all this cheap Labour comeing in.Cuts thier wages bill by half. Cameron is looking after the bosses,then there's the Turks comeing soon.Thank you Mr Cameron.for getting us into the EU.
"Polish plumbers return: Number of migrant workers from East Europe hits new high" Was there any need? Should have told George they're short of £7 Billion and he'd have writen the cheque tout suit. I take it Poles can reclaim airfares? Clearly they didn't hear we no longer hire Brits OR europeans. Indians are cheaper and why offshore when Brussells can ship them in legally now. Personally, as an intelligent, educated and once-skilled British person, its so long since I had a well paid job, I don't care anymore. But, I predict a riot when the Polish realise that the UK Government and the EU have sold them out!
As we voted for these politicians it is getting to a stage were the offer of a resettlement grant to a country run by sane people would be the polite thing to do for people that consider themselves indigenous to Britain. At least then there would be room for as many immigrants that could be safely fit onto this island without of course having to knock down the security railings around 10 Downing street.
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country. - Lynda, Adelaide So.............you freely admit that as an Australian national , you were working in the UK taking a job off a British Citizen. I assume now that your husband (a British Citizen) is now working in Australia taking the job off an Australian Citizen? Your hypocrisy is astounding.
stop the damn immigaration and train our workers properly instead of opting for the cheap labour from abroad and then we might get somewhere. But, as usual our so called conlib pact take the easy route and ignore it spo typical of these conmen.
Why on earth are we importing yet more non-EU workers when we have so much native unemployment? At the moment, our hands are tied by the EU with respect to European workers, but surely we should just halt ALL non-EU immigration? This country has gone down the pan.
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country.
Well I guess that's going to be another 100,000 British people out of work.
I answer internet advertised vacancies every day --------Nothing I used to write letters and send my C.V by post before computers -------Nothing I will be on the computer - Bills are paid for by my Girl Friend - answering advertised jobs - I live in Hope If I come back to the UK - do you think I will be able to find a job that will pay me the national average wage ? Before I left UK for my last contract I tried for 13 months to find work that would pay me the national average got nothing - I couldnt find any work that would have paid the rent and my bills. I got 42 gbp total per week in benefit I got nothing for my rent. All these stories I read where people are better off claiming unemployment it certainly never came my way I am hopin for an offer of work paying the national average wage so that I can come home and live near my family and to eventually die - I dont want to die abroad - I am 62 years old - Any offers - I am medically fit - I have a UK Passport & Driving License
Grayling spouted: "We have to get our labour force ready for the recovery and our benefit claimants ready for the workplace". Really? What workplace? Oh! silly me! The UK workplace, where there are at least ten foreigners queueing for every job vacancy and the estimated five million claiming out of work benefits will continue to claim out of work benefits until the cows come home and whatever Grayling spouts is pure spin and waffle and he knows it.
Bleeding us dry !!!!
no comments on this so far, why? I'am betting there are plenty of people out there now, that wished they had voted for a true british party instead of the weak willed mish mash we got landed with, sooner the EU breaks up the better, better still DAVE show us you have some of what most of us men have and get us out now ,
This is obscene. If people were willing to accept their lot in life and not demand a right to have a child via IVF, these greedy unethical people would not be prompted to exploit others in this fashion. If you can't have children, why not adopt instead of resorting to IVF. There are so many risks associated with the process that has been outlined in this article and we are creating a whole heap of trouble for the future. There are millions of children who are already born who desperately need love and a secure family environment. They should be prioritised.
Perhaps if the UK got its act together and made it possible for childless couples to offer homes to children who need them through adoption, domestically and internationally then people wouldn't be turning to dodgy surrogacy set-ups. Myself and my husband already have two children and thought that rather than have a third ourselves we would add to our family through adoption as both of us are from families with experience of adoption. We were surprised to discover that as far as UK social services are concerned there are no children in Britain or anywhere else in the world, even those currently being bounced between foster carers or in institutions who would be better off in our secure and loving family. It's not even as if we failed the vetting - they won't even begin the vetting process because "there are no children to adopt".
Scrambled eggs!!!!
soon your have babies that wont grow up and faces like teddy bears!
Australia and the UK have the lowest international adoption rates since the 1960's. I would encourage all to find out the 'facts' about how impossible this actually; most cases, government red tape & bureaucratic guide lines hinder every opportunity. In Australia, according to Gov figures, there were less than 200 international adoptions, with over 10,000 couples on wait lists and waiting times, averaging 7 -10 years after being assessed with costs running close to $50,000 AUD. Being reassed every 4 years costs $$$$ and you nominate a country at the begining of the process, if the books close on that country you have to re-start the process. You have to have been married for x amount of years, not pursing any fertility treatment, not foster,not be over a certain age, not get sick, if any of this happens, you are booted off the list. The U.S is not a signatory to the same conventions,happily pay 'donations' to the various orphanages and are first on all lists.
Good god the world is overpopulated there are hundreds of homeless orphans and this is allowed how disgraceful
Whatever happened to unbiased journalistic reporting??
Whatever my opinions on surrogacy maybe, I have to say that the westerners opting for Indian women to help are doing them a great favour.I can understand how difficult it must be for someone in UK or Australia to understand the plight of the poor in India who have no tax benefits ( unemployment, childcare, etc..) ...but I have to assure you that, if they are indeed dirt-poor women from outlying villages, the green painted room pictured , is very good housing indeed, when you compare it with the hut the size of that room they would have been living in and sharing with other family members too sometimes.Whats more, they get nourishing food every day and can live in peace for nine months and then look forward to living their life with hope when paid their fee.Although I do hope the government will do something to make the legal procedure a lot smoother.As for Indian female foetuses being aborted...well, than can only change if the social evil called 'dowry' is at an end.
Pretty sure that there are plenty of children from East Europe, India, and elsewhere to adopt. Dailymail's priorities in reporting are also messed up when they say things like: "Wealthy Westerners are turning to surrogate mothers, and importantly eggs from beautiful Europeans." It's obvious their most important goal is to find surrogate mothers for cheap - because that's what it says in the article. "Eggs from beautiful (Eastern) Europeans" are secondary, because egg donations are easier to find, it's surrogate mothers for cheap money that's not as easy.
This article shows the worst of surrogacy in India. Anyone looking into surrogacy services needs to due their homework, and not go for the el cheapo "four tries for the price of one". There are plenty of renowned and establishes clinics and agencies in India, the two mentioned in this story are neither. If what these places offer is all I could have chosen from I would have run a mile, and I wouldn't have my beautiful son. For those that make moral judgements about surrogacy in India, or anywhere, don't judge me until you have walked a mile in my shoes, or before you have taken on step into the clinic we went through - SCI Healthcare in Delhi - which is reputable, established and engages in none of the practices mentioned in this article.
I've always thought that people who cannot conceive but desperately want to are the people who are destined to be parents to the unloved, unwanted children of the world, because they would be the fantastic parents that these children need. But, it's not my place to comment on what they should or shouldn't do. I only hope that practises like these outlined in the article are outlawed and infertile people find a way to become parents and have the children they so desperately want without resorting to this.
The reporter mentions the emotional trauma to the surrogate mother's, at the point of giving away 'their' babies, after carrying them for 9 months.......but what about the children? When adopted children grow up, they often want to seek out their biological parents, to discover who they 'really' are, or for other reasons. I think it might be quite disturbing for some of these children to learn how they were actually conceived, or more descriptively, made-to-order. I know that I would find it very traumatic if I found out that I was 'built' like this, that my parents felt I needed to be a perfect, cookie-cutter baby. It is just wrong, on so many levels. I see nothing wrong with surrogacy/adoption/IVF, etc., for couples who cannot reproduce naturally.......but made-to-order infants? It will certainly reveal the truly shallow people in our world.
We used a surrogacy Service in India, as with all things there are reputable services that screen and support surrogates and families. Our surrogate spends time with a psychologist and our fertility specialist, was informed of the process & risks as was her extended family and made an informed choice to help us. The money that we paid means that her two daughters will be able to stay at school, complete high school and not be forced to enter into an early marriage. Our surrogate had her own studio apartment, close to the hospital and lived with her children and mother in law. We spend time with her prior to our embryo transfer and after the birth of our babies. To be able to access surrogacy as a part of a heterosexual couple, I needed to prove that I was medically infertile and not able to carry a child. We feel very blessed by the support of all who helped us. Surrogacy is not a choice for everyone, but if you choose to proceed, do your due diligence
Personally, I couldn't tell my child that this was how they were nurtured for nine months. It's so surreal. The most important part of pregnancy is the love felt via the womb and the connection made well in advance with the mother. I think this is very distressing but it was only a matter of time obviously. It is particularly sad that in India female fetuses are aborted in their thousands every year yet they are willing to carry someone else's for money.
This just isn't right for so many reasons.
Where will stupid western ideologies end...?
India now have Much wealth and money..indian government should look in to these cases very deeply..and improve the quality of life of these poor families.....Indian government should use their vast money in a professional and planned way to overcome the low life in some parts of india..
The West said that designer babies would not be allowed with the exception of those that are screened for a hereditary disease or could when born offer assistance to a sibling etc. This is not the West, this is a country that can offer their neighbours the son they want and now it would seem they can offer other things too. DM, follow some of these children to see if they live a good life and if their parents expectations are met.
India has so much money at the moment. These poor women shouldn't feel they have to do this.
In today's society we want things and we want them now. We are so engrossed in short term happiness that we forget the long term consequences. The environment that the foetus is growing in the womb of the poor indian woman is preparing it for life in it's perceived surroundings, making adaptations etc. The life it will have in the homes of those that bought it will be very different thus making it far more susceptible to certain diseases such as obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular problems. Science can be a wonderful thing, but taking it too far without seeing the effects and placing a big fat price tag on a life shows that it can be very dangerous as well. It is sad that the people who resort to these measures need to, to have a joy of a baby in their lives, but the problems that very same child will encounter later in life makes it seem rather selfish all the same.
Everyone connected to this Frankenstein procedure is morally bankrupt...
The ideal human being(I) is a product of genetic (g), environmental (e)and God factors (G). i.e. I= g x e x G. By selecting egg and sperm for the embryo the intended parents believe they have got the right genes for the ideal human being. By thinking they could give their newborn a good childhood and proper education the intended parents believe they have got the right environment to bring out the full genetic potential of the their designer baby. What the intended parents leaves out of their calculation is the God factors for e.g. What would happen if the intended parents ends in divorce before their designer baby grows up?, What would happen if the designer baby fall in for drugs and bad company during adolescence? What would happen if the parents dies unexpectedly etc etc . This God factors (G) will never ever be addressed by the designer baby factory.
How can this be right? Let us not think about the poor women in India or the parents wanting a child but lets think about the child. How do you tell a child I am your father but we used a poor woman in India to carry you and who knows where the egg came from. This is wrong and it is all about money.... In today's world there are no rules and we are spiraling out of control.
I don't see what's wrong with this, along as the women are strong women who can dettach themselves from the emotions involved. I t hink being of Indian hertigage and giving birth to a white baby could help this process though. These women are incredibly poor, and if you knew that by having one baby for a rich westerner would mean you would not have to worry about putting food in your own children's tummies for 10 years, would you honestly not do it? Until you've walked a miles in either in the Indian woman's shoes or the childless couple's shoes you are we to judge?
Disgusting! ........ appalling in every sense..... creating very sad disturbed children is heartbreaking.......We all want to know we were born out of love and need to know who our genetic parents are........ Everything is about money in the world, it is about time it STOPPED! The world we live in is a perfect place, it is so sad that some of the human race do not have any morals......
GOSH - It makes me realise how very lucky some people are. If they want a baby, all they have to do is spread their legs. If they want to eat all they have to do is go to the fridge. But please remember, many are not so lucky. That is why I don't judge.All I can say to those very lucky people is I really hope you appreciate your food, and the children you have been blessed with.
Those without morality have to much power and their numbers are growing.
So the descent continues on the road to perdition, the fall of man.
Perhaps Brad and Angelina could raise awareness of this horrifying practice in the context of children needing adoption. This really is morally and ethically wrong. Who knows what the side effects of all the lab handling etc will produce. So the temperature of an opened canister means the embryo/s need destroying. Humans are not infallible: who's to say what happens to the temperatures when money is at stake! and what is going on each time the fertility process changes hands before the birth. Shocking and evil.
For us is shocking because we are living normal lives.But if you poor and not chance for better life this is a only option.
It's horribly disturbing, but I used to live in India as an aid worker & the burden that impovershed women have to carry is desperate. So many have to sell body parts just to feed their families for a year. I would rather they be surrogate mothers than sell their kidneys. As long as they are being paid well for the surrogacy, so that they can feed & educate their families for years, it can give their own children hope of rising out of such poverty.
Science and nature....an unethical mix to say the least! How long before these desperate Indian surrogates go through the pregnancy only to be not paid at the end by a dodgy 'agency' boss?
Very distubring . I feel for the child in this scenario - how will he react when he reaches an age and discovers his conception was part of a chain and he was a 'made to order' baby - not born out of love. His biological mother was A, his biological father was B, his birth mother was C...but hey, we are your real parents and we paid x amount for you! If told the truth, will his 'parents' tell him they had put in a request for him to have blue eyes, blond hair, and, fingers crossed, he would be intelligent and sporty? . And when he goes to school and an assignment is entitled 'Your Family Tree'..........
Honestly, you would think from some of these comments that there are babies on every street corner in the Western world waiting to be adopted. Adoption is near impossible at times, there simply aren't kids available to be adopted. And if you foster a kid there are no guarantees that they won't be taken off you, not to mention all the problems that foster kids have. That's why people go down this route. I don't think we all have an automatic right to have children, but there is still nothing wrong with wanting your own baby.
totally immoral and without any consideration to how the children will feel when they are told about how they came into the world. Yes money buys you anything but not morals.
You must be desperate to want a baby that will grow up to look like them in the picture. Any one that desperate should be put down. - Robert, Leicestershire they WON'T look like the indian mothers will they? the article clearly states how the babys are created. though i do think it is just so wrong. for the baby & the indian lady who carrys the child
***No one seemed to mind when Elton John went down this road. - Charly, Ex London*** he didnt go to india. either elton or david is the dad & the mother was an american. the baby was born in the US & the new parents (elton & david) were present at the birth
This is frightening. Who is controlling and checking out these parents who want the children. Babies need protecting, and also future parents from ruthless moneymaking scavengers. Disgraceful.
Back in 1978, when IVF pioneers Patrick Steptoe and Robert Edwards created the worldÂ’s first test-tube baby, I wonder if they ever imagined how their work might be mutated/twisted in the future.
Don't think there's anything wrong with it, the women aren't forced into it and get paid more than they can dream of and someone gets a baby! Don't see the fuss with stem cell research either. People can experiment with animals all they like but not humans??? We're all the same more or less!
No good can come of this when humans play God! - DD, Brisbane,Australia We can, do and may as well seeing as the position is vacant and we created Gods/Goddesses in the first place lol!
This is the direction in which we are evolving, do you really think the cleverer people are becoming we will stay the same for the next billion years?
As long as the adoption system in Britain (and other western countries) remains as complicated as it is, you will have these clinics. People choose to have babies by surrogates in other countries because they are intimidated by the cost and legalities of adoption and surrogacy in Britain.
This is SICK
No one seemed to mind when Elton John went down this road. - Charly, Ex London, 05/05/2012 06:39 AM Actually I think you'll find a lot of people did.
I often think that maybe people who can't have children should accept that's just the way it's meant to be... There are so so many children who need adopting. If they can't adopt then maybe they should think of ways on which to support children who need it without being their full time care givers
The implications of every element of this horrifying concept are more far reaching than we can even imagine... for any baby, and for any culture partaking in it.
Just like a puppy farm.... If you buy from these places, they will never go away. Plenty of children in care desperate for a loving home, so what if they are not babies - babies grow up too you know. Sad for all parties involved. Very sad.
Robert. Read the article. These women just loan their wombs!
Why are people so desperate to have their own biological children? Surely, if they like children in the first place, they could adopt one that needs parents and love them as their own. It all comes down to selfishness. It's not the children they love - it's themselves.
No one seemed to mind when Elton John went down this road.
Move on its 21st century. Science is helping them find a way to help couples conceive this should be welcomed. No one here knows the pain of those who dont have a child of their own. This not criminal or unethical.. Abortion is more of a sin
You must be desperate to want a baby that will grow up to look like them in the picture. Any one that desperate should be put down.
Is this any worse that countries where single parents, who have happy well cared for children, have had their children taken for them and given for adoption. Ask yourself what sort of sick backward country would do that?
Heaven help the poor child 'born' to these 'parents'.
Bet you it's happening here as well.
This is chilling, like something from a sci-fi movie ... so having a baby, for some, is like ordering a take away - it just takes a bit longer to deliver!
Sometimes you can't have what you want ... Now get over it and become an incredible aunt or uncle to someone that needs one ...
This is NOT ethical!!!
This is inhuman. I know from my personal experience how awful it is not to be able to have children, but this is taking things way way too far. Some people are just not destined to be parents and I think more help, understanding and assistance should be given to help them to accept it, in order that they can move on and start living productive lives without children. All I ever wanted was a family, but I eventually realised that I needed to channel my grief into making my life fulfilled and positive without children.
No good can come of this when humans play God!
Sick! Why not to adopt a poor child instead!
This is absolutely horrifying.
The story kind of reminds me of the 'Depraved Heart' episode of 'Lie to Me', where those poor Indian surrogates committed suicides after being held in some dump with dozens of other girls like them for the duration of their pregnancy...
The clinic isnt to blame. The blame goes entirely to the government who cant give these people decent jobs. So what do you want? to close the clinic, so these women can starve?
Am I the only one who didn't know how much we had developed in terms of 'designer babies'?! - I just could not stop thinking of the film Gattaca throughout this. It's very alarming. Sad story, can't believe this happens in the world.
Here we go again...Surrogacy clinics aren't a new thing DM. Get with the times. First of all, the women who carry the embryos are there by choice. They aren't FORCED to be there and the only think that might be forcing them is poverty. These women have found a way to earn, like you said, money in 9 months that would take them years to earn. What's wrong with those people wanting everything we have, like clean water and a good home? an education for their kids and health care. As for the 'abortions' you speak of, they are very common in IVF treatment received by women in the UK. So what point are you trying to make exactly? Although my heart goes out to the couple currently in 'legal limbo' here's an idea - why didn't they research things before trusting some unknown agency to do all the work? it's common sense.
On one hand, it`s sickening...on the other hand, it`a hardbreaking to see friends` struggle who are unable to conceive
A horror story! And to think that all these women risk cancer later in life and that IVF children have 50% more chance to birth deffects and higher chance of cancer too? Has the world gone crazy? If you look around you here in Switzerland the sheer amount of multiples will be enough to give you the creeps!
People that are not versed in the British way of life must think our countryside with all it's open fields and rivers full of animals and no Police presence is Heaven on Earth. I feel as each day goes by that I am becoming more like the men with the "End of the World is nigh" placards I used to see in my youth. Substitute UK for World and they have been proved right.
Evidently the law is not applied equally over the country. Since when was ignorance a defence? Apply our existing laws please! Word would soon get round that this will not be tolerated. I understand that these people are trying to "survive" but turning a blind eye to this is going to encourage more of this behaviour. If they have no jobs or housing then round them up and put them to work on a civic project, see how that works, trouble is no mainstream political party has got the guts to suggest this sort of thing! In my opinion it is about time some radical solutions were tried in this country. Long overdue in fact for the general population that has to live amongst this kind of chaos. I'm off now to pick some wild flowers.... not, as I abide by the rules!
Ill tell you where the police are...investigating a lost phone in a night club because some idiot has lost it and wants to make a false claim. All down to the Governments' election charter for the police to speak to every "victim" of crime (even when they are clearly lying!). Some people seem to think that Police Officers dont live in the communities where they work and therefore dont become victims of crime. Was it the local bobby that introduced the immigration policy? When did the police sign up to (as a country) to the restrictive human rights policy? Why do we blame the police service for everything that goes wrong in this country!!
This is becoming the most rediculous country in the world, also the biggest laughing stock of Europe. Of course these people know what they are doing. What would happen if an Englishman were to be cast out of work with no money and tried to build a camp site out of scavenged timber etc and started fishing or taking game on the banks of one of our rivers. The police would be down in force to arrest him, even for a single Englishman it would send at least three cars and a squad of bobbies.
The police should do something now before it gets too big to handle. Look at Italy.
Thank you bliar and looniegord what a wonderful job youve done of ruining this once great country.
Have these people got rod licenses, if not they should be prosecuted just like an Englishman would be. Were we to take fish and swans home for the pot our feet wouldn't touch!
This a disgrace, I cannot believe what is happening to our beautiful country, and why are the authorities turning a blind eye to what is happening. God help us if nothing is done.
This is wrong on so many levels!
Where are the police? - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 Now you're being silly. The police are to busy looking for things that carry a fine. They have become tax collectors.
Of course the police aren't involved for many reasons. 1) They haven't recieved the proper training 2) This is close to a river - no training 3) wild birds involved - no training 4) politically incorrect to investigate and arrest polish/Lithuanian nationals 5) the police force of this country are totally inept and incompetent. However if Mr. Means forgot his fishing license I bet the river baliffs/Mr Plod would soon be on the scene to impound his fishing tackle and impose a hefty fine.
This is wrong on so many levels!
Please wake-up people! On this BB nearly all of you are asking where are the police? The answer, we don't have our police anymore we have political police "STASI" and their job is to protect all and any foreigner from decent ward working law abiding British people because under Nu-Lying-Loony-Labour we don't count! This is Broons nu-world-order and social mobility if Gormless-Gordon had his way, we would all be living in shacks unless you vote Labour. Why do you think he has not called an election date? Because Broon ain't going anywhere he can't face the enormity of his crimes against the people of Britain.
Blimey - this beggar belief: My son is 40 soon and I can say with assurance that is he had camped on the same spot. lit a fire - the police and counciL would fine, had he caught a swan - the police and RSPCA would be in force and rightly so. We have always been brought up to understand that swans belong to the crown - what are 'visitors' to our land and laws treated so differently. Bring back St Greorge and our respect for other cultures. My love and respect abounds for the 1950 immigrants who helped this country and still do.
Why is it possible for a reporter to get this information, and yet not possible for law to be enforced. How long has this been going on, or is it just another vote catcher?
Got to agree with M...........this country needs people who will get a grip....we are fast going down the toilet...no matter what the liberal left say we will soon be a third world country......as the Detective Inspector in the Thin Blue line say's...... our leaders are a ' wishy washy namby pamby touchy feely ' bunch of loser's. Get a leader in who does not listen to what the ' media ' say's but listen's to the people and what they want. Swan's are protected.....so protect them.
Shanty towns springing up in the UK, who would have thought? Well everyone really!
This MUST BE STOPPED. The birds are nesting and getting ready to produce young in April/May. If police can't (or won't) intervene why can't the RSPB?
Please do something to help these animals!!! This is horrendous!! This should NOT be happening.......
Welcome to New Labour's vision of the future for Britain.
I don't understand, what are the police doing about this? Why oh why do we put up with this, what is going to become of our country?
"Where are the police?" - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 Busy fining English people for dropping sweetie wrappers on the pavement.
Why does "Call me Dave" not use stories and photos like this on the Tory's election posters? Could it be that they wouldn't change the situation?
Why no prosecutions?
If all tourist and holiday makers avoid the whole of East Anglia the resultant drop in incomes will force the authorities to addresss this problem. As for the police? Well this is a civil matter I suspect.
I wonder what excuse the police will come up with this time. Killing swans is very, very illegal.
Surely these people can be removed from what was a beautiful, wildlife rich area of Peterborough. They understand enough to know that killing swans is wrong and should abide by the rules of the country they have moved to. Incidently, Peterborough is not a 'market town' but a city with a wonderful cathedral.
This makes my blood boil! Just what is happening to our country? My mother is croatian and came over in the seventies to do a fashion degree, and made a successful career in fashion designing etc. Why cant all the immigrants that come over do the same and treat our country with respect and as there own!
Good old Labour - you have brought our country to this!
Where are the police? - David Bachauer, Manchester UK, 26/3/2010 23:27 You will prob find them on the roads arrested the hard working public as they try and drive home after a 12 hour day for going a couple of mph over the limit.... To scary to catch real crooks...
Somehow, I don't think we would get away with it if we went to their homeland and savaged their wild life and beauty spots. This country is being torn apart and no one is doing anything about it.
Third world Britain.
I hope all those who voted for this government are happy with what they have created.
I'm speechless!!
So when's our beloved Queen going to step in then?
What a sad and sorry place my home town has become, in fact what a sad and sorry place this country has become.
Why?
New Labour and its open Borders policy!! and they want to be re-elected not in your worsed nightmares.
I thought killing Swans was illegal - the queens' property? Carries a hefty jail term if I am not mistaken?
So why isn't anything being done about it? We really have become the laughing stock of the world and nobody but nobody seems to want to anything about it. It would not remotely surprise me if the BNP actually won the election outright because people are in complete and utter despair at all this and nobody is listening.
I'm sorry but I don't understand why local people are not up in arms about this. They should be protesting to the council, the police, the government, in large numbers. Why aren't the authorities, closing these illegal camps. Why aren't the animal protection people getting involved. There should be a large police presence every night along the waterways. Arrests should be made every night. Instead its the usual English way of wringing our hands, saying its not right and that's that. We have to learn its not racist to complain where its found that foreigners are either breaking the law or are making life intolerable for the residents. If we lived in their coountry we would be expected to respect their ways.
As much as I always swore I wouldn't, I am voting for the BNP at the election, because our current mangy thieving lot couldn't care less!
So, they're breaking the law and nothing is being done about it? Are we mad?
SICK TO THE CORE HOW CAN THEY DO THIS TO THESE MAJESTIC BIRDS THEY ARE ROYAL BIRDS AND BELONG TO THE QUEEN THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED
This is utterly disgraceful and where are the police in all this. What has become of this country that we allow this kind of behaviour. I thought our swans were a protected species, what is going on. That a part of the waterways meant for peoples enjoyment is a no go area is ludicrous.
Labour's Britain.
Naivity is the kindest word I can use to describe Labour's immigration policy.
Surely, it is treason to kill and eat swans. All the swans belong to the Queen. We have been tolerant for far too long. All of the immigrants living along the river should be arrested and deported immediately - no excuses. What do the people pay council tax for when the police do nothing to protect them?
Gosh!!! I didnt see this coming! What a surprise! Are you sure its true? Still at least they didnt lie on their CV and get jailed for it.
This has been going on for some time and the authorities have turned a blind eye due to them signing up to the EU and Human Rights. Now we are having an election people are taking notice. There must be something drastically wrong when people choose to live in make shift camps in a foreign country rather than live in their own country. Moreover if they are being used as cheap labour then it is false economy as the U.K has to pay for the destruction of their countryside and parks.
Immigrants should Not be in this Country unless they are or have been Working, from the EU or outside. They should be Sent home if they break the laws of this country, like we would if we were in there Country. If the government (any) can start waste of Time Wars then they have the powers to handle immigration, but they don't have will-power. Immigrants should have Work permits for 5 years,do there work for 6 months for example then go home. Employers should provide Accommodation.
Deport them straight away. Britain can't aford these scroungers
What really annoys me is people like Mathew Wright dismissing the facts as racist, on his morning program the Wright Stuff the previous day. Instead of possibly debating on how to solve the problem.
I'm from Peterborough and I can say that, although thousands of Eastern Europeans have successfully found accommodation, work, and have integrated reasonably well, there are always pockets who have not. Peterborough is used to diversity, having accepted large influxes of first Italians and then Asians in the past, and by and large there have been relatively few problems. The real issue currently is the sheer numbers of Eastern Europeans who have arrived in a very short space of time. They are nice people but the city cannot cope. The infrastructure is creaking. Schools have countless languages to deal with. Maternity units are shockingly overstretched; my pregnant sister had to wait 5 hours for a routine appointment because there was only one doctor available. It can't be argued that some of the city's beauty spots are being ruined. I would not say locals are 'scared', but I would say the overall look of these places is tarnished. Peterborough Council has its head in the sand.
These people have no right to be here, why can they not be sent home? If they can eat our wildlife and have no conscience, then what else will they do to this country?
This is what Labour and the Liberals, and the Tories (yes, the Tories too) have turned our lovely country into - something resembling a third world state. All for personal profit and greed. And if you don't live in Peterborough, fear not, this is coming to a town or city near you soon. Think very carefully how you use your vote on 6th May.
This is not just happening in Peterborough it is happening all over this country and by immigrants who are not living in sheds and shacks alongside rivers. but living in houses, I have seen them take fish myself. The lakes where I live have had to put up warning signs a few years back. This is wrong but who will stop this. Lets just call it ENRITCHMENT.
I don't see the problem. You all voted for Gordon Brown and NuLabour who wanted to bring in cheap workers from abroad, and you the voters put him in place to do this. Now you complaint these people take your jobs and have to eat to live. What did you expect of these people?
My brother lives in Peterborough, the Cathedral Square used to be a pleasant place for the elderly to sit and watch the day go by. These days the benches are apparently frequented by the unemployed Eastern Europeans, no place for the indigenous Peterbourians. There are virtual no go ares in the city , English is not heard in some parts. I grew up in Peterborough, I remember it as a quiet Market Town. I used to go day and night fishing in the very places mentioned in this report. Thanks Labour. Fortunately I was able to escape, many just have to live with your despicable policies.
Why is anyone surprised....open borders and Locals who are so afraid of offending anyone is a recipie for this kind of behavior. Instead of doing something about this problem, the locals hide in thier homes, worrying about the PC police and teriifed about getting an ASBO And come election time, they will vote for the same old parties who will do nothng except make the problem worse. As an Ex-Pat it is so sad to see Britian becoming a thirf world country, and the British to cowardly to do anything about it. Will the last person with a spine please collect the flag.
Why is this Lithuanian woman allowed to build an unsightly shack on the banks of the River Nene? If she is living off the land she is obviously killing wild life. Surely living in her own coutry would be more comfortable!! Or is it the FREE HAND OUTS she gets that makes living rough easier? I thought there were laws about littering the country side...does dhe have planning permission to collect rubbish and assemble this unsightly. Where is the toilet? is she polluting the area? You bet she is.
Thanks, Tony. A Blair legacy, indeed. Immigration? Lies, Lies and more Lies from this government. Labour = the destruction of the UK in every possible way.
The rape of Britain !
Disgusting ! So much for Blair and Browns open border policy, what is that old saying in life???, ( you can take man out of the Jungle , but you can not take the Jungle out of man ) where are the police ?? where is the council ?? hands tied because of the eu, and human rights etc etc . Why don,t the residents give the EDL A PHONE CALL,? I bet they would shift them pretty damn quick !!! It,s the local people,and the wild life who are suffering , while these Immigrants are thumbing their noses at us !! WAKE UP BRITAIN!!!
For the love of GOD,, you Brits........ GROW A PAIR AND STAND UP TO THESE PEOPLE!!! TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK!!! What is wrong with you?????!! Is everyone just to drunk all the time to care or do anything??????
"16,000 new Eastern European immigrants arriving in the past five years" in Peterborough. The immigrant from Lithuania allegedly bleated: "No understand - no passport". WHY are the UK Border Agency allowing illegal immigrants to remain in Peterborough and elsewhere in the UK? If an English person were to capture a swan and cook it on an open fire in the back garden, they would quickly feel the full weight of the Law. It beggars belief that the UK has become over-run by illegal immigrants, who have no respect for British laws and carry on bleating "No understand - no passport".
Strong & swift action must be taken against these illegal & unsightly temporary shelters. The occupants must be thoroughly checked. All those illegally in the country must be immediately deported. The rest mus be made to work. They should be denied assistance, financial or otherwise, if they refuse to work. Their presence & behaviour are really disgraceful. Briton must not allow immigrants into the country without employment. Deny them all help if they refuse to work.
So, Labour is working as usual. What else!
And they are an asset to this country? How? No passport? Why in hell's name are they still here?
Oh my, what has my country become? I guarantee if it was some local lad killing swans he'd be in the nick by now.
Swans are suppose to be protected ..re.. the Queen??? Why isn`t anything being done about this Why aren`t the council doing anything to remove these theives from there...? I expect they have all our benefits too ... If we trespass we get done...so time to act ..sooner than later, before all our swans are lost.. This has been happening for far too long. Act Now.. Where`s the police on this ..doing nothing as usual.....
How about, just once, we see local British people doing something apart from just whining and whimpering. If they care so much then why not form a patrol group and I mean a big one and clear these people out and protecting British wildlife. It is time to take the law into their own hands. The "state" is not interested. Indeed, the "state" appears hell bent on destroying Britain, accusing any critics of lying and racism. Its time to take the country back but this has to be done by the people, by the British people who want their country back.
How long will the government allow this to go on. It saddens me to know how low my country has sunk. its rapidly turning into a cesspool but who do we blame?, the government or the fact that we are living by the EU rules. Come on Brown show some backbone or is this asking the impossible?.
Discraceful, WHERE ARE THE POLICE?? Absolutely no mention of police action. They should be constantly patrolling the area, arresting the perpetrators, moving on the 'gangs' drinking alcohol and they should tear down the 'camps' along this public walkway. Perhaps if they had these deterrents, they wouldn't have the problems. Its not unreasonable to expect that a lovely riverside walk is kept safe for people to use and that it's wildlife and nature are guarded so that many folk can take pleasure in observing it. By their cruelty and destruction, these immigrants are showing a flagrant disregard and disrespect for the local area and the people in the community. The police know they are there and the crimes they are committing - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Killing the most beautiful of birds - the Swan. Wicked and disgusting, apart from which every Swan in this country belongs to the Queen.
Where are the police? A regular patrol of the area would surely drastically reduce incidents.
Where are the police??
What is wrong with this country that we allow this kind of intolerable situation to occur? Not only do we let in countless numbers of immigrants, which means that our small country's population is totally out of control, employment for our own people is threatened, we now have this kind of absolutely vile, sick behaviour being committed. How on earth can these people get away not only with living in shacks in such a beautiful area but also intimidating the locals and slaughtering our wildlife? It's absolutely insane and our government urgently needs to rectify this inexcusable situation. If our own people were to live like this, in shacks, threatening and intimidating other people and slaughtering wildlife I'm sure they'd be dealt with appropriately and prosecuted as necessary. There's no excuse for not doing the same with immigrants of this kind and for being too "politically correct" and phlegmatic to bother to do anything about it.
Same thing was happening in the park in my old home town four years ago before we left for a better life.
The people of Peterborough should get together and sue the Goverment for this mess that has been visited on them
I am in tears reading yet another report on them eating swans. That pic is awful. For heavens sake, please go home and leave our swans alone.
These people very clearly know they are doing wrong and I bet in their own towns and cities such behaviour wouldn't be tolerated and would meet a far harsher response than any here. Those who come here and want to work and contribute should be welcomed. Those who want to come and scrounge, break the law and act like animals should not be given any second chances. If the EU doesn't like it, why should we care? Our European 'partners' overlook the laws they dislike why should we cow to every one?
Whilst I don't condone what these people are doing they are at least using the swans and fish for food and not just indulging in wanton destruction.
Sometime soon people are going to take the law into their own hands. Why do residents have to put up with these ignorant peasants and the mess they leave behind?
When the countryside of the U.K has been ruined will the Political parties decide enough is enough and stop pitching in the U.K? Glad i now live in Australia!!
Peterborough has a conservative member of parliament.
Trouble on the horizon. Wake up!
Still, never mind. Just keep voting Lib-Lab-Con as you always have done........
So let me get this right . . . the gov't will be going through your trash cans and fining you if you haven't recycled properly, but they WILL turn a blind eye to emigrants (of all kinds) destroying your countryside, squatting in people's homes whom have lost their wallets, and furnishing mansions to people on welfare who haven't paid a dime into the system. Sounds like California!
The laws in this country are for EVERYONE and yes, that includes immigrants who must see us as an easy touch. We need to toughen up, and tell them to stick to our laws.
What the !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We don't do it , so why are we letting them do it....... Swans are part of our culture and it's just not the done thing.
Slaughter of the swans: As carcasses pile up and migrant camps are built on river banks, Peterborough residents are too frightened to visit the park Welcome to the Lib/lab/com EU run Britain!!!!......To people of Peterborough and everywhere else......use your votes wisely!!!! It is OUR lives and money at stake!!!!
What a sad place England has become. What have you done to your self, once proud land.
in all seriousness these people need to be moved on (and if they can prove they have been killing swans, arrested).
What a sad place England has become. What have you done to your self, once proud land.
Does Peterborough have a police force? and if so what are they doing?
Please, UK, take your country back!
I used to go to nene valley as a child and it was lovely, nice and fun, thank to these selfish people who want to live here , they are ruining the countryside for later generations, get the police to move them as it must be illegal to just set up home here
Why is this allowed to go on?
Explain to me again Britain's immigration and deportation laws? If this is the kind of social problem and disrespect for law and order in the host nation that comes of Britain being a member of the EU, I'd say you need to get the heck out, now.
Explain to me again Britain's immigration and deportation laws? If this is the kind of social problem and disrespect for law and order in the host nation that comes of Britain being a member of the EU, I'd say you need to get the heck out, now.
We experienced all this in Edmonton , Pymmes Park and the Lee Valley Park 10 years ago .
Thanks Bliar and Brown this country will end up a barren wasteland with no wild life.
Where are the Police to stop this? Too busy filling in forms, I suppose. Lithuanians I have met were educated, charming and decent people who would be appalled by this
What is GOING ON IN TH UK. I am getting really really angry.
Have I been transported to another planet without my knowledge!!
BLAIR/BROWN legacy.
What is happening to our country?
How dreadful. Something must be done to save the swans.
Oh my God.......
Swans are Royal Property...? no? Amazing they are allowed to live beyond the law while we are jumped on and fined for dropping an apple core.
Hey, where are all the animal rights heroes now?
Many thanks B&B - what another fine mess you've got the UK into. Enough is enough, Britain needs to be led by someone with the balls to get immigration under control - bring back Thatcher!!!
Where are the police?
What are the Police doing to stop this kind of vandalism.
I thought all Swans belong to the Queen, and killing them is effectively treason.
this is disgusting
So where are the police ?
Totally disgusting.
We wouldnt dream of eating beautiful swans even if starving, how dare they do it.
Could someone explain exactly what we pay the Police and councils for ? Have a sweet wrapper blow out of your car window .............
This is ridiculous.
How long will be allowed to go on.
No mention of the police then?
He hasn't banned the Poles because of race but because Poles only fish for the table and not sport. That why Polish fisheries have low stocks. Large stock fish can cost many hundreds of pounds each so in monetary terms the thefts involve large sums. He will not be able to afford these losses long term. However the police are unlikely to take any action because race is far more important than theft. Stealing is perfectly allowable if you are of a politically correct race. All men are equal, but some are more equal than others if they have the politically correct background.
I would suspect that Mr Evans has not reported the thefts to the police because he knows that they won't do anything about it. I suspect he can expect them to turn up and arrest him for being racist though. Typical of the EHRC to stick their oar in, perhaps they should be reminded that it is unlawful to take another persons property without permission. Apart from that who says he's denying them a service because of race, the way I see it he's denying a service because they're criminals. And angling is hardly a service.
Its happening all over the country. In my hometown they, being Polish/Eastern Europeans, are catching and eating in vast numbers pike, swans and ducks from the rivers. The staff from the River Authority try their best but would you approach a group of men stealing whilst of your own! Something needs to be done.
i se the human rights brigade have put their ten pence in at the bottom of the story, it is also wrong of the eastern lot to steal the fish a fact elf and safety seem to have forgot.
The EHRC may be right but surely the rights are suspended when the individuals are in breach of rules that apply to all. We all have the right to free speech but not when the speech incites racial hatred. These Poles, or whoever they are, knew that they were in breach of the rules and chose to disregard them. End of story. The farmer is well within his rights to ban a particular group because of constant "theft" of fish. It is the same as shops banning hoodies or banks banning people who wear crash helmets. The guy is trying to protect his assets from thieves and good luck to him.
did he put the signs up in polish or did he make any attempt to explain as in poland no such terms are in place
Obviously Mr Evans is going to have to turn his fishery into a private club with recommended members only and with rules that state no fish may be removed. The Equality and Human Rights Commission appear to condone theft and seems quite content for people to lose their living. Time to repeal the human rights law which has become a charter for the criminal and feckless members of society. A bad law is worse in many cases than no law.
They catch fish to eat them. I've never understood fishing for any other reason.
......................Aha i was waiting for this to rear its ugly head when i was reading this article...."A spokesman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: ‘It is unlawful to be refused a service – or not to be given the same standard of service extended to others – on grounds of race.’ So they steal from this tax paying law abiding citizen...but once again Human Rights rear their "ugly little heads"....This bunch need to get COMMON SENSE
Then make the beggers abide by the same rules everyone else follows - we are getting sick of the 'equality' rubbish!
The Equality & Human Rights Commission should be decommissioned but in the meantime it should concentrate on real rights abuses and leave people trying to protect their legitimate businesses in peace.
It is his Lake. It is his fish. He has every right to exclude people who disobey the rules. It is about time people acknowledged that far too many people disobey our laws.
Surely you should make people sign a contract clearly showing any rules you would like to enforce and if they break them, they are eligable for prosecution because over fishing is illegal and they are breaking his terms of agreement.
A spokesman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: ‘It is unlawful to be refused a service – or not to be given the same standard of service extended to others – on grounds of race.’ It is also unlawful to aid and abet the commission of a crime which is what the EHRC is doing if they stop Mr Evans from barring people whom he knows to be responsible for an unlawful act.
Trust the Equality and Human Rights Commission to come up with a stupid statement. This is about people stealing fish, not discrimination because they happen to be Poles
The same thing's been happening in lakes in Ireland (according to relatives who fish recreationally). Eastern Europeans were absolutely cleaning out the lakes by any means necessary.
if you re the owner you ve the right to refuse .and for the foolish ehem police sorry better go and find some money generating petty crimes lol.
A spokesman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: ‘It is unlawful to be refused a service – or not to be given the same standard of service extended to others – on grounds of race.’ So even if your business goes bust from theft. I think I know somewhere where the public can save some money.!!!
Sack this idiot!!
ALL OF THOSE THAT AGREE WITH BERCO AND THERE ARE NOT MANY MUST BE STRANGERS TO WORK AND SHOP FLOOR WORK PLACES TO AGREE WITH SUCH A STUPID IDIOT GET YOUR SELVES A JOB .
Yep I think he should go back to his roots and go and live in Roumania
would be very satisfying to have a one-to-one conversation with this so-called man.
A stupid little man,without an ounce of integrity
No coincidence that his grandparents on the paternal side were Roumanian ?
If they do work harder it is only for the one week they have to work to get an NI Number so they can rob the benefit system
Order!!! Order!!! silence for the member for Poland to speak.
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Isn't it time that this imbeciles local constituency party deselected him before the next general election?
Apart from such a statement being quite possibly illegal these days it is also patently untrue - but then Berk Off is no stranger to that, of course........ Several surveys in recent years have shown that Britons - probably through fear of job losses during a recession - are working the LONGEST hours of anyone in Europe.
my god what a nerve this irritating little prat has got he would not know what a good days work was if it jumped up and bit him
Treason just go's on on on
He made and excellent choice choosing a dimbo wife!
TRAITOR
What does Bercow know about HARD work.--- He has not doen a DAYS hard work ever since he was born
John Bercow, What he saying is, He likes slave labour and just loves low wage's, I have read about a woman with the same name, That has a big month like him, Who was she, I wonder !!!!. You Bercow and people like you, made the Brits lazy, By giving them benefits after benefits just to get votes, Do your job Bercow or give it up, Tax payers are sick of paying wages to no hopers like you.
He and his wife are not good ambassadors for this country and he should not hold his position in the Houses of Parliament when he makes such inane comments...Stupid man,Mr Speakerneeds to be silenced.
Why doesn't he and his wife move to Bucharest.
He, like other MP's have spent too much time in their ivory tower, plus his head is not on his shoulders in at his rear end, but he is not alone there either. It looks like both he and his mrs are loose cannons, they dont think befor ethey speak, so if you have nothing to say then shut up. When you have to work in a proper job he will learn his lesson, but with their "jobs for the boys policy" we should not hold our breath.
I do think he and his mrs are a train wreck....but go to Lincoln ask the nerdowells tha walk around town in their hoodies on benefits ak them to pick veg all day on minimum wage answer would jog on I've got my benefits... Broken Britain in the same wreck as when Bercy met Sally......over to you Nigel.....
order order, thats his days work silly wee man
Then replace him and the rest of that lazy lot in your parliament with them, it would be cheaper, and get more work done
What does this buffoon know?
Correcto! Absolutemente! -- Russel Brand house keeper in LA:-)
Presumptuous arrogance......no change there then.
Bercow's not qualified to pontificate on the concept of hard work which can be defined in numerous ways. Probably considers himself a "thought worker", but his political contribution or indeed a modicum of above average intelligence, has not been evident.
Is this guy some kind of comedian?
Voting UKIP will not help the UK but will help the privileged elite and make the bankers and city traders ecstatic with joy over deregulation, less accountability and much less taxation. UKIP will also massively increase funding for wars in the Middle East that is for wars the British people do not want. UKIP will form a coalition with the current Conservative Party and will mean five more years of this government's official conservative party cabinet politicians running the country. Don't vote UKIP.
He knows a lot about work!!!!
All I can add is both him and his wife are well matched.
Speaking as one who benefits greatly from the public, the hobbit says! - Joe, Guelph, 5/6/2013 15:27 >>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't insult Hobbits! They at least, are nice!
Pity we can't import a whole new government. The one we've got doesn't work!
How would this loud mouth know.
How would this jumped up idiot know what a days work means he has never done one!!!!!!!!
<< Nigel Farage said Bercow was 'a disgrace to the office of Speaker' >>>>>>>>>>> Nice one Nigel and spot-on as usual.
I am a British Expat and self made millionaire and resent the comment made about British workers, I have worked hard ALL my life and am proud of what I have got out of it. Do not tar us all with the same brush Mr Bercow. Most MP's do not have a clue these days, they do not represent the people only try to make a name for themselves, Its the same world over.
Not a man of conviction then is he? After all, he starts as a Conservative MP then marries a Labour activist and suddenly has his wife's way of thinking. He should not be in the job.
Haha if you have seen the program 'Skint' you will believe what he says to be true.
What does Burk-Cow Know, has he ever worked? And no, I don't count politics. Has he ever actually done a real days work with real people? Patronising B******d, he is not worthy to represent a single British Citizen, let alone being in such a responsible position as Speaker of the House!
They rarely pay any tax, but claim all the benefits they can get their hands on. Undercut the British worker who pays his taxes. Bercow you are an idiot. Vote UKIP and save us all from this disaster of a multi cultured society that no one has voted for.
Anyone who is willing to work for next to nothing will never be short of a job!
I'm sick & tired of this anti-English worker rhetoric from people who only sit in parliament for around 150 days in a year & get £65,500 , expenses & a limo paid for by the state for their 'trouble'. Of course that's not nearly enough for them, they think they're worth £100, 000 !!!
And as they head out to work each morning, he and his gobby wife can wave to then from their expensively furnished grace and favour apartment
No mention of his hard working tweeting wife?
That's exactly what migration should be stopped, because they're so poor that they'll work themselves to death, which leads to wages and worker rights - the wages and worker rights the country fought for for hundreds of years - being driven down. Having a race to the bottom is only good for employers.
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Yet another politician who treats the electorate with disdain..............tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock
what a berk-cow
what a disgusting (and stupid) little man he is, showing such contempt for the people he is supposed to protect, sack him now
Well Bercow Insulting us will mean more voters will leave the Tories now.
Even people on benefits work harder than MP's
It's not inherent for English people to be lazy, England and its people was once a country to be proud of. I wonder how many English people are proud to be English. Could the politicians be partly responsible for this.
And how would he know?
Your comments:Maybe he can be replaced by a European worker on minimium wage and Cameron to
and just how exactly would Bercow know this?!?!?
You speak for yourself Mr Speaker.
They certainly work harder than MP's - and for less money too!
They certainly work harder than MP's - and for less money too!
They get the jobs because they work for less than half the going rate, live ten to a room and in addition either steal or draw benefits or both at the same.
How the people of Buckingham can vote for this overbearing, jumped up little pipsqueak I don't know. He is an embarrassment to the nation...and his wife?...well..the mind boggles. If this is really the best we can do, as the first commoners in the land, then God help us all.
Revolution now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vote UKIP for the sake of the entire country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is an over paid, under talented little berk that we would all be much better off without!
Bercow is a Berk and his wife is a cow.
Who does he think he is, him and Sally. Thought he's meant to keep his thoughts to himself otherwise what are we paying him for not to mention his wish to increase his wages by £20k. British people have had enough of British injustice, lack of morals and selfishness within its own government to preach to us how hard we work. Sort the country out first, that includes the NHS, we were fine 20 years ago so you tell me
This man shouldn't even be allowed to come out with sheissen like this along with the other highway robbers in the current Government I suggest he takes his comments and his wife and goes to live in whatever other Country would have him. These people are the absolute limit the sooner UKIP get in and these freeloaders get out the better.
How would he know, he probably never had a proper job.
The problem is: they work in UK but dont spend in UK! They work few years & take the cash back to home countries where buying a house (or mansion) is VERY CHEAP. So, after 10 years work in UK, they are comparitively "super rich/upper class" back in original countries (eg East Europe, Philipines, or other place) . Whereas British people need to earn a wage which can buy a house & future in expensive UK!!!
what stupid logic from mr bercow! how could this possibly benefit Britain? this just puts more Britons on the dole , with no hope of employment, while the bosses have cheap labour. this politician , like so many, has given up on his countrymen and betrayed the working classes. he should be fighting for better wages and conditions for british workers, like his party was created for , not betraying them.
And Mr Bercow expects those he admonishes to vote for him and his party?...think not matey
Can't they be good for their own countries. We'll cope.
Does that include Politicians, Sir BERCOW
Does that include Politicians, Sir BERCOW
Time this ignorant dwarf was put to the lions. Just how is he able to carry on in this medieval role without anyone able to chastise him or him to be sacked?
Why insult the people who are paying you salary? And expenses of course
SO ALL THOSE RECEIVEING COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF BENEFITS AND LIVING IN THE LAP OF THOSE VERY EXPENSIVE HOUSES ALL ON THE TAX PAYER AND THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN CLAIMING BENEFITS AND HAVE NEVER HAD A JOB ARE GOOD FOR US ARE THEY? BLOCKING UP SCHOOLS HOSPITALS AND HOUSING LISTS? THAT IS GOOD FOR US IS IT? TREVOR MCDONALD SHOWED A POLISH WOMAN WORKING PART TIME AS A CLEANER WITH A COUNCIL FLAT AND TWO CHILDREN IS VALUE FOR MONEY IS IT MR BURKE!
And I wonder what Belcows work ethic is like. Vote UKIP and get rid of these parasites.
You just have to take one look at the current Government to know that he speaks the truth - at least in the circles he operates in.....
No body worker harder at fiddling his expenses than Bercow!!
And nobody can work harder at funneling tax cash into their own accounts better than parasite politicians.
We should put them in Parliament then should'nt we?
Why on earth would un-educated people choose to work in menial un-skilled jobs, when they can make a good living on state welfare, living in a free house, and spending their life in the pub and on the sofa?
Shove off Bercow you backstabbing worm.
Weird little runt bercow, isn't he? I know a lot of Polish people with enviable work ethics, but I don't think he was visiting Poland was he? He loves his political correctness, bercow, and he is not fit to be speaker.
Not nearly as hard working as Mrs Bercow's twitter account or her lawyers
employers don't give work to the british first because they would have to pay more
what an odious little toad Mr, Bercow is, he and his wife deserve one another , but we the British electorate deserve neither of the two.I suppose he considers his speakers job as hard work ,sitting on his a--e all day, he wouldn't know what a real hard days work is.
The Speaker of the House of Commons used to be a position filled by people one could admire, such as George Thomas and Betty Boothroyd. How did this person get appointed? I will never understand why he was given the job.
They could probably do a better and cheaper job than this goon.
What a absolute idiot this man is, he should shut his big mouth and try to keep his wife under control before making stupid statements like this... idiot
What would this idiot know? Do they all live around him, is that where he gets his evidence or does his dippy wife tell him what to say.
I got to ask you dm , whats that red line at the left hand side of my comment ?. am I getting to many things right .
Idiot ! It's just one thing after another with these two, if it isn't his wife saying things that she shouldn't then you can rely on the Speaker of the House of Commons to put his foot in his mouth, and to continue to try to utter inanities around it.
In that case Mr Bercow-we can stop all benefits given to them and they canpay for their health treatment etc. Then we British can have our taxes lowered can not be so down trodden!!
Okay Mr.Bercow if they work so much harder that Britons let¿s see them replace all the lazy, scrounging idiots in parliament and we¿ll start with your job shall we? No? Thought not. Now crawl back under your rock you odious little man. - Voice of sanity, Wolverhampton, NaN/NaN/NaN NaN:NaN dont worry, mate. it will soon happen when we become part of the impending federal europe.
thats hillarious as my first week at a perfume packing place i was told by the supervisor that i alone had done twice as much work in one day than eight polish workers had done all week .
This man is a total disgrace to his position. Engage brain before opening mouth comes to mind he and his wife have a lot in common
His name is John? I always thought he was a Richard!!! *innocent face*
What he means in reality they like cheap nanny's and other domestics for the "Elite" which he is deluded he is, I have a funny feeling he is going to come to a sticky end
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much. - D Page , Ronda, Spain, 05/6/2013 15:53 DM complained & took of my comment for calling him a Berk! Pathetic newspaper.
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much.
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much.
this clown has no idea no sense no integrity what a complete t t totaly unfit for his post or any thing else
Delman, 666 London. Yup, baseball or rounders as you call it is a girly game. It's so easy to dive into say first or second base to avoid the tag, what's a few bloody scrapes along the gravel. Now go from third base to home to score the run. No problem, you've only that 250 lb catcher in the way. If you collide, think train wreck or brick wall, if you can think. And don't get hit by the ball. because if you do the urge to scream expletives will be overwhelming. The only thing more overwhelming will be the pain. In future please refrain from postings on which you apparently know little or nothing about. To the ladies, no insult intended, many of you play a damn fine game of ball, whether softball or hardball.
The trouble is Mr Bercow, your job isn't at risk from them ,mine is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Save the UK Vote UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Having advertised for a job well above minimum wage and not getting a single response from the thousands of our own Brits without a job..... I'd say I agree- DingDong, London, 5/6/2013 8:28.....You probably looked for someone who can speak a different language.
John Bercow. the despicable. But friend of UKIP. He looks and acts like a spoilt child anyway. He and, for instance, Vince Cable, besides holding their fellow countrymen in contempt, don't know what they are talking about and perpetrate a deep betrayal of hard working people.
He has just insulted the british people here, are we going to just stand here and take it. The Best remedy is to prove that is not the case, and throw those words back in his face. Who is with me?
anybody works harder than this slug, he is an overpaid idiot witha wife who laughs at him, plank..... anyway what would he know of the real world idiot,..
DISGUSTING STATEMENT......so so typical of our MPs.....who do LESS work than the average UK Taxpayer......
Just like British soldiers in WW2, stopping in the middle of battle to take afternoon tea, like it was a cricket match. - Have a nice day, New York City, United States, 5/6/2013 13:43 = well they needed a cuppa after fighting alone for a few years , you dont need a break when you have only just turned up do you >>>seriously do you belive that guff ???? like your troops they would have been told to stand down and rest up , this involves for the british a cup of tea , for the americans a coffee ...you dont fight 24/7 your unit is used and then rested , get it right and do NOT disrespect ALL soldiers with your stupid comments ..im sure a day vet from new york will put you right , someone who landed on the day and fought the war not someone who rocked up after and was (as you say) in the rear with the gear
I've seen John Bercow at "work" first hand, I'll say no more.
Let me just go an tell the Polish down my street who don't work that they're apparently hard workers.
Speaking as one who benefits greatly from the public, the hobbit says!
Everytime he opens his big mouth someone should put their foot in it.
When you think of the Speakers we have had in the past - Fitzroy, Wetherill, Boothroyd to name but three, how on earth did we get lumbered with the last two? I thought Martin was bad enough, but Bercow takes the phrase "Insipid little creep" to a whole new level. What do these people have against the British - and what does it say about our MPs that this is the type of person they select as Speaker???
Another gem from the manual of leadership? Not the one I knew, Never belittle your people, or discourage them. Give praise and encourage them. We get IDS belittling the poor for not marrying well and dragging themselves off £53 quid a week. UK Plc certainly is under the cosh - no carrots. beat them more they will perform. The only mistake the British people made was believing the lies by 'professional' politicians with little or no life or work experience.
The party of the working classes........shows how little they really think of their core voters....another reason to vote UKIP
What does he know about hard work ?
this is an insult to hard working british people.
Another pompous overblown politician.
You people are all so small minded....
Fine let's all vote them in as mp's ,most people work harder than the shower that we have .
They also work harder than MP's but then again so does everybody else
I am currently working with a Brit and she is one of the hardest workers I know. I have lived and worked in the UK as well, and I have never encountered a lazy bad worker in any of them. Maybe Bercow needs to get to know some of his own people first.
You mean they are willing to work for less so your fat cat mates get richer......lets save money on your job Bercrow I bet I can find someone willing to do your job for 50% less then you get paid......
That's rich coming from the man who doesn't do any work.
its very easy to say this because yes they look like they work more but they dont, the ones over here have come over to WORK yet what about the others that have stayed behind in there own country, does their government spill out the same garbage to them when they see the british over there that are in there country to work and work they do. vote ukip for change.
Bercow is a traitor.
A stupid little man who just can't himself acting the idiot
that says it all doesn't it on what these fools in parliament really think about the British indeginous population. Stand up folks and do something. - AcrossthePond , ex pat, United States, 05/6/2013 14:34 ************************* What? Like you did? Running away to America?
Compared to M:Ps they are certainly are haeder workers. Not hard when you compare them to people who do little or no work
They may or may not work harder. But a generation of British kids will be left on the sidelines because of his ilk.
It's about time we had people in our Houses of Parliament who actually have respect for the people of Britain whom they are purported to serve.
Bercow, what do you know about 'hard work' ?
His views are as left wing as the woman he is married to.
And they all vote Labour, dont they, Mr Disgraceful Speaker. You know, the ones who your party keep in benefits for all their lives whilst here in this country. No wonder you love them so much, but being in Rumania, you would say that, wouldnt you? I bet you would endorse Mr Putins arms agreement with Syria if he gave you and your wife a free holiday.
And still liebour run down the working man. VOTE UKIP FROM NOW ON.
John Bercow a prat married to a prat has no idea about the reality of jobs not available a 16 year old cant get a job without a licence to work in construction which he has trained for until he is 18 then he cant get the same job until he has experience and the money to pay for said licence! the government has put up more stop signs than anyone else to stop school leavers working forcing them to take unpaid work on government schemes but they are not in the trade you have been trained in. Berc-ow is a prat people want jobs they want work but BLAIR screwed that importing untrained electricians and plumbers who put lives at risk from countries who dont care if they can do the work legally and BLAIR says the dodgy qualification's are OK
that says it all doesn't it on what these fools in parliament really think about the British indeginous population. Stand up folks and do something.
This set people have never had any loyalty to the true British.
Hahaha dozey little man. Lets face it, our feckless benefits scroungers give more to society than he does.
He should resign immediately!
Stupid little man! I know lots of (particularly young) people who would love to have a job, but they just aren't given a chance. It's okay for him to get on his high horse and talk such rubbish, he who has such a well paid, fairly secure (and perhaps relatively easy?) job.
The trouble is, he only has the House of Commons to compare them with!
Well it's good to see the frustrated, unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys, the New York Giants etc...soccer is played by girls. The U.S. soccer team won the world soccer cup twice under Mia Ham. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 12:05 = rioght ok , heresa some education for you ..soccer is an italian word , its not a british word and seeing as we INVENTED football it would seem that your wrong , secondly , your game is derived from rugby and therefore was invented AFTER britian invented football , thridly , foot - ball , its short hand for how you play it , NOT chuking to your mate who then catches it and runs with it craddled in his arms , thats rugby NOT football ...rounder is played by girls in the UKM , but you seem to have grown men playing it and calling it base ball
Great Britain has too many David Camerons ! But we only have one Nigel Farage, Bring him on!
That statement sounds Rich coming from him when you consider all MP¿s now work less hours have more holidays,You¿re a Hypocrite Bercow.
Bercow ought to be reamed BURK COW what and insidious little pr**t he is !
Bercow nor any other MP have a right to comment on hard work. They sponge for a living.
That's because we're not given the chance, especially under 21s.
This is misleading but there is an element of truth. Because of the post war Socialist education there are around 25% of school leavers who have levels of numeracy and literacy that handicaps them when it comes to employment,. But worse than that they have been given the entitlement ethic'. so their failings are every one else¿s fault and they may be fodder for Union employment of Local Authorities but they lose in life's chances. We have a large UK contingent in our Netherlands office and they are industrious, flexible and work exceptionally well in a team environment ( much better than the Dutch) But we all feel sorry for the Labour Legions with poor prospects.
Clueless!! I thought that Speakers had to be apolitical! This worm and his shameless wife are a disgrace.
"unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys etc...soccer is played by girls." - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 12:05 ------- How about the fact that baseball is a girls' game? Schoolgirls play it over here. It's called Rounders.
The ignorant views of Bercow just back from his lovely lazy long holiday, calling the british workers ,thats why thousands more eastern europeans are to be allowed into UK next year and the tory government probally has the same views as Bercow.
During the 2009 parliamentary expenses scandal, it was revealed that Bercow changed the designation of his second home on more than one occasion ¿ meaning that he avoided paying capital gains tax on the sale of two properties. He also claimed just under £1,000 to hire an accountant to fill in his tax returns. Bercow denied any wrongdoing, but agreed to pay £6,508 to cover any tax that he may have had to pay to HM Revenue and Customs.
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs. - bar , notts, 05/6/2013 13:14 =============================================================================== Deluded , ignorant, Your comment deserve a barrage of red arrows..............Oh and you did not spell embarrassing correctly.....
I take it Bercow is using himself as the measuring stick. It wouldn't be difficult to work harder than him an 90% of the MPs
What a load of piffling tosh and a gross generalisation!! Some of us who live in Britain are used to be being called names by various politicians over the years to support their politican ends. I know that during my working life in London, I worked far harder than this politician ever has, and probably ever will. His comments are just to support the social experiment which politicians and the EU are committed to.
So is there not a case for paying a bonus to those on benefits who work at fruit picking time etc rather than having others take the money?
As a leading actor in a pantomime what does Mr Speaker know about work?
This is coming from a man who has probally never done a days work in his life.
This no doubt includes the beggers and those lying around marble arch!
Bercow would be most welcome to discuss this theory in many of the high unemployment areas in the country. The hospitality he can expect might just change his attitude!
Bercow said, 'if you're willing to travel to another country to find a job, you're likely to work harder' It may well not be popular, but it's is correct
This man is a plonker! I know of many English/British who are hard workers. An unfair thing to say sir.
This means then that Mr Bercow includes himself and Parliament as well. Sack him. - spike01, rotherham, 05/06/2013 12:25 Hahaha I like this comment, yes very true
when you're sharing the rent and bills with a dozen others you don't mind earning a bit less, it's twice what they'd earn back home anyway, then they send the rest back home !!!
Oh Bercow perhaps you should try a hard day of work you silly little prat Vote UKIP
they definetly work harder than MPs
Does he even know what work is? Just ignore him and he will go away I find him laughable as I have no respect for him or what he thinks.
Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater comes to mind here. Hes 100% CORRECT.
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs. - bar , notts, 05/6/2013 13:14 =============================================================================== Deluded , ignorant, Your comment deserve a barrage of red arrows..............Oh and you did not spell embarrassing correctly.....
Just like British soldiers in WW2, stopping in the middle of battle to take afternoon tea, like it was a cricket match.
Maybe we need to get rid of our home bred politicians and import them from abroad. Bye bye Mr Bercow you're as dopey as your missus.
Seems like he is purposely trying to provoke a reaction to give momentum to the holier than thou political class's attack on public opinion. Do not fall for it...keep calm and carry on. He knows he betrays us with these words..so it must have been ''accidentally on purpose''!
How was the English managed before.
How was the English manage before.
I wish people would shut up about this rubbish, this might be the case down south but it certainly is not the case in the North East where people have always had to graft hard to earn a living.
My bathroom was done by polish builders, they were total cowboys and everything that could be done wrong - was.terribke quality and workmanship. I also getting sick if polish presuming I dont know their swear words and shouting it every opportunity they can!
He needs firing UKIP for me
Needs to get out more.
An amoeba that has produced nothing of import makes scurrilous accusations against decent people and is still voted for. What is the average IQ in the UK now?
Just like his missus!
Wonder how we managed before they came. A days work would kill this little man.
A perfect example for a public vote on recall.....remember MP's voted him into office.The public should be given the choice to vote him out.
An amoeba that has produced nothing of import makes scurrilous accusations against decent people and is still voted for. What is the average IQ in the UK now?
This means then that Mr Bercow includes himself and Parliament as well. Sack him.
Is it a physical impossibility for this fool to keep his mouth SHUT!!!!
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs.
"I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34" ................. You have absolutely no idea. Those of us fortunate to have jobs in this climate work damn hard to hold onto them. Whilst I would not generalise a complete nation as you seem to do, those E Europeans you hold in such high regard in the US are possibly not those that have chosen to bleed the UK dry - friendly, hard working and law-abiding? Don't make me laugh! 'Finders Keepers' is most definitely in their moral code, regardless of where they 'found' it!!
Mr Bercow. Must I remind you that this is not a question of race, it is a question of space. And that is a commodity we do not have.
Perhaps Mr Bercow's knowledge of British workers is limited to MPs. Which makes him right doesn't it?!
Does that include the travelling community.
How the hell would Bercow know as he has never worked a day in his life. he also earns more than the Prime Minister .... for what?
British are lazy just like dads army
POISON DWARF
Why are we not shocked? Paid by the public, answers to the public? I think not! The PM should have him removed in the national interest, and because he is pointless!
I'd like Bercow and his silly wife to emigrate to Eastern Europe for a long, long time. There they could find real work with people they admire.
End this madness it does not seem that a day goes by now without a politician does not slate us for not following their 'doctrine' and they have forgotten "they work for us" (mass propaganda) apparently and that in a democracy we can oppose their views i.e. yesterday we had the Lib Dem MP calling all green deniers 'dangerous' and Cameron calling UKIP Supporter 'Loonies' all because he wants to remain in the EU. I have been a member of the Conservative Party since 2002 and I am about to join UKIP the big three monopoly must come to an end they hold us in complete contempt with dissonance and I am sick of it. If we have 'movement' of free Labour can we not place a Polish man in Bercows job? a Dutch man in Osbornes job? an Italian in Hague's job and vote them after all this would be democracy and the laws of the EU being enforced properly but then again the 'movement of free LABOUR' is only applicable to the prolateriat
All the MPs are on benefits and expenses, yet never work very hard. Time this Bercow gave up his free company flat and joined the working world.
A talking Gnome ???????????????
Lots are, plenty aren't. Of course he may be comparing them to his lazy wife who seems to do nothing except behave like an exhibitionist.
What chance do we have when the powers that be are against us? We are doomed!!!
said it from the start, we have a left wing speaker! how can you have a "speaker" with political bias
If it's true, then they would be better working hard in their own countries and getting their own industries booming. We have had a brain drain in this country for years and it would seem that Poland and similar countries are now suffering a brawn drain. All the Brits I know have worked hard since before leaving school and have continued to work into their 40's. I don't know any scroungers and there are very few jobs here for Polish workers as most positions are picked up by hard working locals.
Harder working???? when did doing a 40 hour week gambling in bookies with there benefit money become hardwork!!!!! Open your eyes and get real!!!! - luckylooloo22 , Stoke On Trent, 05/6/2013 12:20 ----- haha bookies around aldershot are full of elderly nepelese paying there pensions into the machines
Praise all you want Bercow! You have no idea what these people you support say about you. Probably the same as this: Someone I know went to an employment agency up North. Having asked for an application form, one member of staff turned to the other and said "Typical English ***". She had no idea that the lady with this person could speak Polish. Think on Mr!
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******. - Angryscouse, Bristol, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 12:24 _________________________ All of the things you say may well be true except one.......Berk Off was made Speaker by the LABOUR Party..........The Tories protested at the time but were overruled.
Speak for yourself and that worthless wife of yours!
Will somebody please smack this stupid man around the head. I am not lazy and was around when Britain was great. It's idiots like him who got this once great nation in a mess.
Apart from the statement being quite possibly illegal it is patently untrue, since several recent surveys have shown that Britons - quite probably because of fear of job losses during a recession - have been working the LONGEST hours of any country in Europe.
Won't be any of yer proper British there soon, considering almost anyone can just turn up now have a kid waive a British passport around . Glad I'm no longer there. By the way I'm an Englishman .
That's the small fraction who actually work, what about the ones who claim and are still claiming unemployment benefits?!
VOTE UKIP AND KICK EM IN TOUCH TOUCH
TRAITOR TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
there is a generation of young lazy English folks it starts from a young age first they don't respect there own family so they don't like authority so they skip school which means no respect and no education coupled with the benefits the English people get and throw in the mix and of beer and drugs equals lazy English people
I don't think it's so much that we are lazy, just that the world has changed and the population hasn't caught up yet. Brits (also Europeans and Americans) tend to work smarter and need less supervision, but expect high wages for it. Residents of the emerging countries usually had to work hard even to get to college and when they get good jobs they graft their butts off to succeed. In most of the Pacific Rim, for example, the results of not making it in the job market are sleeping on the streets around them, while here you just have a few kids and you're on the gravy train.. When Western people start to understand that they need to work to live we'll start to prosper again. Until then the decline will continue.
Bercow's comment constitutes a race hate crime and he should be prosecuted accordingly.
Ber-cow by name Ber-cow by nature which comes from the rear end. Albert of Alvelon
Ber-cow by name Ber-cow by nature which comes from the rear end. Albert of Alvelon
Why do so many if British politicians HATE the British people so much - Willow, Down Town, 5/6/2013 11:53 ____________________________ Fear.
No you idiot, what they are is CHEAPER workers, and everyone knows this game now, Let's look at the situation, - no water, no money, no jobs and now (they say) no food. And still our deranged, imbecilic masters want more people to come and settle here.
UKIP in next election it's the only way to keep Britain on it's feet !
It is a shame that this man did not use good old fashion commonsense before he opened his mouth. To me he is what is bad about politicians how he was ever made speaker of the house I will never understand. Is Mr. Bercow in favour of cheap labour but the taxpayer foots the bill for supplying more education, medical and housing to the newcomers.
Me and mrs bercow should move to Eastern Europe!
tell that to the many victims of crime brought in from the E.M EURO MESS by politician's who don't give two hoots for the voter who put them there. POLITICIAN'S ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE ? NEXT JOKE
come to newcastle and tell me to my face im lazy and dont work hard you silly little pratt
The truth hurts....unfortunately we are lazy!
TIME FOR YOU TO GO YOU SILLY MAN - YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REAL WORLD !!
NOT HARDER WORKERS,CHEAP WORKERS,JUST WHAT THE TORIES LIKE.IF YOU CAN DO A JOB IN UK CHEAPER THAN BRITISH WORKERS THEN YOU ARE WECOME TO COME AND WORK,AS OUR BRITS CHARGE TO MUCH.YOU PATHETIC CAMALOON TORIES.
The whole POINT of being a wealthy country like the UK is that we don't have to work all hours to survive. It's taken centuries to achieve this, but if politicians have their way we'll go back to working (and living) like we did a hundred years ago!
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******.
Thats becuase you pay and reward British people for not working with houses, free cash, free dentist care, free eye treatment free school dinners, free central heating systems, free council tax etc etc....
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******.
more money in your slimey pockets eh! robber...and your fool missus
Harder working???? when did doing a 40 hour week gambling in bookies with there benefit money become hardwork!!!!! Open your eyes and get real!!!!
again....one more reason NEVER TO VOTE TORY AGAIN. - MrJolly, Chorley Lancashire England Voiting UKiP, 5/6/2013 11:58 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He was voted into the position of Speaker by LABOUR!
Thankfully this is another idiot that will be gone when UKIP get in at the next election.
And Bercow knows all about hard work doesn't he? The fool's never had a proper job!
Dey took our jeerrrrrbs!
WHAT DOES BERCOW KNOW ABOUT HARD WORK? JUST ANOTHER JUMPED UP SELF CENTRED PARASITE
Please someone remove this man from his position.
Jenny, Edinburgh..... I think it is rather unrealistic to believe that company's would actually re-locate to another country due to workforce productivity, when there are so many qualified British citizens who are looking for work. Perhaps a more realistic account would be more to do with profits? It is no great secret that those who go over to Britain from Europe and seek work are more than happy to undercut the pay of the very people who have been doing the work for many years. Sad but true.
His mouth is as slack as his stupid wife's - they would both do better to shut up and keep their views to themselves. Save a lot of legal fees too that way. Daft pair.
Well it's good to see the frustrated, unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys, the New York Giants etc...soccer is played by girls. The U.S. soccer team won the world soccer cup twice under Mia Ham.
Shame the rest of Europe didn't show there great work ethic when 'ze Germans' were attacking. Needed us 'bone idle' Brits didn't you. British people are simply smarter so we just feel deserving of better jobs and not manual labour rubbish
The man's totally deluded, is calling him a 5 king idiot abusive? His statement is abusive towards British citizens.
A little man with a small mind and big stupid mouth!
again....one more reason NEVER TO VOTE TORY AGAIN.
How on Earth would this overgrown garden Gnome have the faintest idea what hard work looks like? His only hard work is inventing new expenses claims and keeping his idiot wife from making him look even more useless than he already is!!.
I would just love to see Bercow do a year in a proper job with normal wages and having to pay his own bills.....
I agree with him and it's based on my own experience. I previously worked in a university and the British students had no interest in building their work experience and gaining valuable skills. The international students however, were always at the careers service, trying to find out as much as possible and taking on a lot of work. Employers also stated that they preferred the international students and that British students would be on their phone all the time, not complete work and show up late. We would be asked by employers all the time to only advertise to international students, which of course legally we cannot do. When legislation changed and it became more difficult for international student to work after graduation, many employers told us this would affect their business greatly. Some even saying they were thinking of moving away from the UK. I know that university students are only a small portion of society, but I do think the British laziness is a big problem.
So we lazy British know exactly who NOT to vote for next time it comes up don't we.
Why do so many if British politicians HATE the British people so much
Explains why all the local farmers use picking gangs made up of every nationality but British, as one was quoted about Brits last year- few apply and none last a couple of days.
This from someone riding on the gravy train.
The man is mad and not worthy of such high office.
Hmm. Benefiting Britian... ??? How.. ??? Or do you mean.. over 3m Brits on on Benefits That costing the country a fortune... He is Totally Out of Touch in his rent free Ivory Tower at the Palace of Westminister...
On what does Bercow base his comment? He has no right to speak, as he is just another posh boy who has never even had a proper job. Buffoon.
If they are so hard working why are their own countries not booming with industry and world class manufacturing output? What did they do before the borders were opened? just sit about idle?
Hark at this dwarf . Which one of the seven is he . Dopey ??
Not just a dwarf, but a little one at that.
Say what you like,I have a Polish man working for me and after 30 years of English construction workers I´ll settle for the Pole anytime.On time,reliable,good work,better than the German workers here and the English also.Red arrow me if you will but sadly its a fact,we have too many lazy people because we give too many free benefits away!! - Las Palmas 123, Munchen, Germany, 5/6/2013 10:48 And how much an hour do you pay him??
lets not kid ourselves the majority of labour that has come to these shores is not the skilled that we were promised that would fill any skills shortages here. its the unskilled masses that have come and employers are taking advantage of it for there own profits. all this talk of them being harder workers is a whitewash. find who they are and start boycotting them
Bercow has just broken the law. Discrimination is illegal. Sort it Westminster before very angry Brits who want work sort you.
Well lets face it everyone works harder then Bercow.
That's right Mr Bercow....now take your medication...it will to keep you out of touch with reality and stop you thinking about what Sally might do next. Then...if you're a very good boy, you can sit on that Commons chair...you know...the one that makes you look so very tall and really, really big and important!
I think he's got a cheek for someone who sits in a chair for a few hours a day shouting oder every now and the.
Typical stupidity from a politician who has no idea what he 's talking about and doesn't live in the real world, if you haven't got anything intelligent or relevant to say Mr Bercow i suggest you shut your ignorant mouth.
Have found Daves E Mail and just sent him my views hope he reads them
what a stupid statement from the silly know nowt little man:
Can someone please ask him how he knows this ,is it from personal experience or is it based on hearsay from friends and other politicians? Evidence is not exactly clear but then we are talking about a Bercow!Seems he has learnt nothing from his wife's stupid utterances.Car crash family.
How would he know ?
So Bercow! When you were up for election and after votes, did you tell your constituents they were all lazy and benefit scroungers, No thought you didn't. About time we all voted UKIP because non of the parties we have now have your interests at heart
By Britons I assume he means lazy British MP's who make sloths look like workaholics
well someone who actually chose sally bercow as a wife and mother of his children and can actually stomach her company every day really shouldn't be in a position to say anything really oily little twit
did nt take your job did they sunshine ......
Why is it that people like him are always ready to run British people down, in his position it is disgraceful. I just wish this arrogant little man living of the taxpayer would disappear and take his self seeking odious wife with him.
well perhaps this avaricious parasite can do without his housekeeper and lead by example
Bercow go and live in one of your favoured countries then.Whats stopping you? Oh yes, would really have to slog for a pittance chairs and perks not allowed Off you go now you know you want to!
bill. Lowestoft 11.05 I always email Cameron the 10 downing st web site
Do you think he is spending to much time with his dopey useless wife,Yes,,Me to
#!@#king idiot
Bercow should be made to start work at 6am in the morning sweeping the streets for a month or two, maybe then he would have some idea of what the word work means.
Why is this idiot the Speaker?
Yes that's right it is very hard working of them to get down the benefits office to steal what they are not entitled to and it's exhausting getting drunk and making trouble and as for the effort it takes to pick-pocket and steal what's not theirs they should be given a holiday on us for the effort they put in to that.
This odious little creep hasn't a clue what the word "work" means.
Anything this pipsqueak of a man utters' should be ignored. He is only spouting his (Labour)Party line.
Bercow went to university and then became a politician. he has never done a hard days work in his entire life. i have no idea what he thinks gives him the right to say something like this...
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34 -------- And just what would you know about it. I'd shut up if I were you, or should we suggest flooding your country with many thousands of hard working, friendly, law-abiding Mexicans. No I thought not.
what about the ones that come here and dont work there costing us more then wot goes in ie nhs,benifits if they aint workin kick them out save millions that way
So if they are such good workers why did he not advise them to stay in their own country and make it the Eldorado of the EU?
Dwarf boy.
tez65 Leicester 1056. Glad you have just E Mailed Dave . Cannot find EMail Address for dave anywhere any chance of putting it on comments ???????????????
Mr Bercow as usual you should wipe your mouth with toilet paper, in your case you need it both ends. Obviously you haven't spent much time in other countries, except on Holidays, other wise you would know what a lazy shower most of them are.
Mr Bercow as usual you should wipe your mouth with toilet paper, in your case you need it both ends. Obviously you haven't spent much time in other countries, except on Holidays, other wise you would know what a lazy shower most of them are.
If I'd voted for him I'd be ashamed and embarrassed.
This useless man and his useless wife have never done a hard days work in their lives he is typical politician speak before engaging the brain. Horrible little man
Yes, that's why the get all the jobs.
I believe that he originates from eastern Europe as do many of our esteemed MP's of all the three main parties and house of Lords.
I should imagine that his constiuents are very annoyed by his remarks, pity he cannot be given a vote of no confidence by them.
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!! - Mike , Essex, 05/6/2013 10:36 ------ You forget, Mike, politicians don't need qualifications. Bercow proves the point. With the right spin, any gobby, egotistical, dimwit can become an MP.
Does he know every worker personally to support this non neutral view? can he provide us with proof? How many does he actually work with then? He certainly doesn't seem to mind being kept in his comfy lifestyle by brit taxpayers though. Perhaps we should replace him & all the mps for lower paid eu staff who might show more loyalty to those who pay their wages. The pro eu pr will include knocking brit workers. But then uk just accept it & just moan abit. Perhaps there should be more honest conversation with those who live in the real world about which workers they prefer. Those who benefit personally from the eu have all the public platforms & will do everything to keep it. Lower wages & less rights, & buy to let has increased & rents have gone up with demand. Wonder if any mps are benefiting from this? For those on here who agree with his remarks, appearing to be located in the uk, often from the london area. Do you personally include yourselves as being inferior workers then?
Bercow? that a welsh name?
C'mon people pity him,after all look what he is married to!
The Poisoned Dwarf said, " The media views, do not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." That is correct you Self Serving little IDIOT. THEY REFLECT THE VIEWS AND CONCERNS OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. Another example, of how out of touch the political elite are, with the British Electorate. Vote UKIP.
I am sick of this odious little man so I have just emailed call me Dave at number 10 telling him what I think, Don't suppose it will do much but at least I feel better, hope more do the same.
Years ago British people did do these jobs to earn a few extra quid. Nowadays it is often more profitable to sit on your backsides and claim benefits. The question that needs to be answered is..Who created this situation and allowed cheap Labour to undercut what the British people were earning Mr. Bercow? - paul, gillingham, 5/6/2013 10:27 >>>>>>> What about all of the hidden unemployed who are and have been searching for work since redundancy? What about those British in their late forties onward and up to what would have been regarded as retirement age. Do they not deserve to have a job too? What about all of the greedy over sixty fives who still occupy a position which could be filled by a young British person? Do our young not deserve a fair deal and a future too? Do the British believe they can no longer think for themselves or make decisions anymore? Everybody, apart from the British people, appear to know what's best for them. UK = Dystopia
PARASITE
no Impact on housing, schools, transport, nhs, future liabilities such as pensions..... WAKE UP. This is a fix (apparent) for today a MAJOR problem for tomorrow! - jjkh , Herts, 05/6/2013 10:19 ----------- Surely you don't expect Bercow to think of these things. For that he would need a brain which he clearly lacks as he doesn't realise his position as Speaker requires a neutral position on all thing political. He should be removed from office and replaced with somebody who is and isn't so gobby.. He won't be as they are all in it together, aren't you Dave.
How would Bercow know? He wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit him in the face.
The man is definitely right. Well said.
What would John Bercow know about hard work? He has never done a day's work in his life. Damned cheek!!
Well said Mr Bercow a true Tory if ever there was one.As Cameron said Britain couldn't survive without cheap labour and hard workers comeing from all the EU eastern Block countries.Why do u think we needed to join the EU in the first place Margret T had to get rid of the unions and high labour costs.Company bosses should only pay what they think workers are worth.It was dragging Britain down.Besides we can get all we need much cheaper from EU countries.Tory values will put the ordinary people in poverty,but Britain will be strong?
All we need to do is agree a family swap treatise. A family arrive in the country and get jobs, we stop benefits for one local family. Over time no one who wants to be employed is unemployed and no one receives benefits.
Sky news was running a story last night about EU referendum poll in which it showed 51% wants to get out of EU and 49% doesn't want to. Now what is to follow is the interesting part of this silly poll. Guess how many samples were used? Just 1600 people and they are telling as though the whole country has voted for this silly poll. When we have Idiots like this Bercow and new channels like them, we do not need anymore enemies.
Say what you like,I have a Polish man working for me and after 30 years of English construction workers I´ll settle for the Pole anytime.On time,reliable,good work,better than the German workers here and the English also.Red arrow me if you will but sadly its a fact,we have too many lazy people because we give too many free benefits away!!
"It's the same as our local 99p Store - the job adverts are placed in the shop window and are ONLY in Polish - there are no English translations. We need a level playing field for those who want to work and deserve a job. - sd, uk, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 10:22" This is illegal. Report this to your local council. Report this to your MP. Boycott the store. Unless we start bombarding the people WE PAY to "govern" this country, they will continue to walk all over us/ignore us. Sadly, though, it is the British way to tut and roll our eyes, rather than complain and protest. Whilst I do not have a lot of time for the French, at least they protest - and how! - if they are unhappy about something!
Yep I am sure some are, but also as we have no points system and anyone can come here I have only witnessed and known of violence, drunkenness, driving without insurance or licence and drunk, littering, lots of terrible anti social behaviour, and the destruction of communities. I am sure some are hard workers, however we have not just let in the hard workers have we.
Pity they are not so hard working in their own countries. I have stayed in these countries and seen jobs which should take a couple of weeks drag into months or even years. The reason may be something to do with the fact that although there may be a dozen guys officially on the job, you are lucky to see even one working. The rest will be sitting smoking, chatting or looking - no matter what time of the day you pass them
Answer Time for UKIP
The Speaker has spoken...and what a load of tosh. He would be better placed concentrating on family matters and leaving the important issues of the day alone
Well after that comment I am voting UKIP
Not the most sensible comments to make by the speaker, but then he is always putting his foot in his rather large mouth.
HAHA, who is this complete idiot, typical rich wasp attitude, if they work so hard go over there then so they can work so hard in their own country and take this fool with you
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!! - Mike, Essex, 05/06/2013 09:36 AM Try getting some qualifications then Mike !!!
I don't mind anyone coming here and working hard but I don't agree with us giving them benefits to top up their income! They should support themselves for the first 10yrs. NO CHILD BENEFIT either.
The only people it has benefited are rich company owners. This man, like the rest of the 'A' holes in Westminster, are completely out of touch with what many people in Britain are going through at the moment. They make me sick passing comment and judgment on people when they're living in t heir ivory towers - a complete and utter disgrace (and his gobby Mrs)
Coming from a man who seems to do nothing but mile the system, lets not even get started with his wife.
Bercow and his ilk will say this WHY a lot of these people in the up market Kensington and Chelsea areas not to mention the rest have a cheap scource of house keepers and cleaners working for them on cheap rates FACT ....
This doughball is missing the point entirely. Irrespective of who works harder, or who earns the most money, where does said money go? Where is said money invested? Who's economy is boosted by said money? Come on Mr. Speaker, do try to buck up!
Obviously bases his comment on himself and his wife.....well shorty, we aren't all like you.
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!!
Bercow should be made to expend a little more backbreaking effort, on a building site, up to his knees in mud, at minimum wage. The British work ethic is fine. This is something which people, similar to Bercow, have never been made to learn.
Bercow is British. Ergo he's just called himself lazy. I expect better from MPs.
"Just what benefit is John Bercow to Britain?" Delete the words "to Britain" and the question is more relevant.
Slightly off-topic I suppose but: I have just returned home to Spain from a couple of weeks in St Anns, near Blackpool. Last time we went there all the Hotels etc were staffed by people from other countries, even as far afield as Belorussia (hello Paul if you are still in the Country - what a brilliant Barman). This time around however, they have all disappeared and guess what? The Hotels, Bars etc are nearly all staffed by young Brits. Has something happened recently? Apart from the Labour lot being booted out of Government that is?
I feel insulted by his comments. I worked all my life and worked hard. He should not be making such wide sweeping comments.
Sad but true!! If we didn't't have a benefits system that allows anyone to decide they do not want to work they can live a life paid for by the taxpayer and MP's supporting this ideal then we would not have this problem, also Labour must answer the question , why they invited so many people to come here and accept lower wages than the local workforce!!
He should start by giving up his job for a Polish worker then.
Please move to that country and take your wife with you, you can add to that countries work ethic. SO SORRY I FORGOT MYSELF, YOUR A POLITICIAN.
Well said Thoughtfox!
Typical Tory twit...Born with a golden foot in his mouth.
Numpty.
This is what is known as "little man" syndrome!
I wish all the Brits emigrate out of the UK then we can really get UK PLC back on track
and pygmy politicians...shut up squeaker
Bercow is a fine one to talk about work ethics after claiming for dirty weekends on his expenses, and trying to block the publication of details of MPs expenses which could show if they are renting their taxpayer-funded homes to each other. Oh.. and his children*s nanny lives in her own taxpayer-funded flat in the Houses of Parliament......The Speaker of the House should be neutral, and he is CLEARLY not, so BERCOW should resign.
He is spot on, they aren't all the workshy burdens that UKIP would have you think
Has any speaker in Britain's history ever been as controversial as this miserable little worm?
deluded!! on many counts
Years ago British people did do these jobs to earn a few extra quid. Nowadays it is often more profitable to sit on your backsides and claim benefits. The question that needs to be answered is..Who created this situation and allowed cheap Labour to undercut what the British people were earning Mr. Bercow?
Mr Bercow .If that is the case . One prove it by facts and figures . or shut up .Two refuse to take the taxpayers money for your free lifestyle from the British taxpayer OR shut up . Because the people of this country are sick and tired of scroungers ?????????????????????
In that case why aren't their own countries thriving, successful hives of industry, so the poor wretches don't have to leave hearth and home, to come here, grub up root vegetables for a pittance and squat in grotty hovels?
Let him spout and idiots like him, it just drives more and more people over to UKIP.
What the hell does he know about reality???
Our politicians in Westminster are completely out of touch with the British people.
"Workers" - yes the ones who actually work may have benefited the UK but only the ones who WORK
Mr Bercow .If that is the case . One prove it by facts and figures . or shut up .Two refuse to take the taxpayers money for your free lifestyle from the British taxpayer OR shut up . Because the people of this country are sick and tired of scroungers ?????????????????????
Would they be so "hard working and vital" if they were made to live in your area Mr Bercow?
Well that's a sweeping statement and a half isn't it!! Is this guy paid to hav an opinion!! Unreal!!!
What would he, or any MP know about hard work? They live a very pampered lifestyle yet they have the hubris to think that they are worth it! I despair with these people. When are going to wake up and ditch the lot of them? - ali westerman north wales
Good luck with that at the next election, Bercow!
Don't forget this little nonety was forced on this government by labour, in revenge for the demise of the last speaker, "Gorbal Mick" over the MP's expenses scandal mishandling.
Im sure many do work hard but others are a huge cost to us that drains away any gain.They dont all work hard or are honest or their countries wouldnt be in the mess they are.We all know the MAIL REALLY SUPPORTS THE EU !!!
A sad but true quotation. Many Brits are still under the impression that we own half the world, and therefore don't have to get off their bone-idle backsides to work. Having said that, when there are companies like Next, who use an agency (I believe it's called something like Salisbury), who ONLY advertise in Poland, they ONLY interview in Poland, they ONLY do the assessment tests in Poland, you have to wonder why Brits still support shops and companies like this. It's the same as our local 99p Store - the job adverts are placed in the shop window and are ONLY in Polish - there are no English translations. We need a level playing field for those who want to work and deserve a job.
Let's replace our MPs with those who work FOR us, not AGAINST us! If this is what he thinks of the electorate who pay his over inflated salary and expenses he can ...... off and work elsewhere.
Time to replace Mps with german or polish see how they like losing their jobs no their jobs are safe like wise the people in media they all make me sick .Time to stand up for our rights me thinks
Maybe he's referring to those in the public employ, personally at 52.5 hours a week I've never worked harder for less
I wish he would emigrate!
What would he know about life outside Westminster.
Bercow has demonstrated his lack of political neutrality many times. An essential attribute of the role. He should be removed from office.
Ignore him, he's an idiot! perhaps he hasn't been in the news lately!!
no Impact on housing, schools, transport, nhs, future liabilities such as pensions..... WAKE UP. This is a fix (apparent) for today a MAJOR problem for tomorrow!
The Gov, are far from hard workers. This makes me laugh, especially when Camergoon is of on holiday every five minutes. "I have to go of on breaks to keep me sain Cameron says" Well, in the real world most hard working people get 4 weeks of a year, if your lucky.
If any politican sums up the smug, over priviledged, it in for himself stereotype then its this gurning chump... i still despise him from the interview he gave with Tom Bradbury in 2009. Available on YouTube.
Just like the majority of MPs, they detest their own people !!!
a truly little man in all respects
There is one certainty Bercow is no benefit to Britain.
what a stupid little man
They probably are, but so were all the other slaves this country used to have. Doesn't make it right does it?
Bit of a general statement there is it not...?
Will they still be working hard in 5yrs time when they find out how much they can get on benefits.
Probably a harder worker than he is, hi Jonny hows the wife.
I'm guessing he's never travelled on the London underground after 4pm to be confronted with loud mouthed east euros, drunk, spitting, leering at women, carrying 6ft step ladders and other large tools....
Another day...and another half of the double act - Berk and Cow utters complete twaddle again!
I agree with the fact our Lords Ladies and RHM are as dishonest and lazy as most imports!
This man says these stupid things just to wind people up, best thing to do is ignore him.
Germany and several Scandanavian countries seem like very well run places. Perhaps we should employ legislators from these countries instead of the lazy Brits, who seem content to let a coterie of bankers dictate policy.
hmmm increased crime, drunkeness, strain on the NHS, benefits going to their children still at home abroad......
Hands up those who will vote traitors into power again ie the three main parties traitors who have dirty minds and clean hands?
as the wife keeps her mouth shut, he opens his...............
@------" I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you
Perhaps if the government educated our young properly and gave them some hope, this would not be the case!!
Your comments: Spot on!
Well past time to remove these MPs and replace them with people that work FOR the British public not AGAINST the British public!
How dare he insult us hard working British, he's as bad as his wife.
I think we should have GERMAN MPs as they are harder working more efficient and better than they clowns we have
Compared to his silly vapid wife and MP's the gnome is right. Of course he'll think that what ge says is true it was his party's policy to let them in for no reason than to spite the Tories. He is paid to be neutral isn't he? This is the nth time he hasn't been and what with his wife's antics he should have the grace to resign.
How does he know this? What contact does he have with them? Its a insulting statemen I want to know where he got his facts?
He should know, after all - just think, he's surrounded by over 600 examples of the British 'worker'...indeed he's one of them. Maybe we should fire all the MPs since they're such lazy workers!!
to see someone who suppose to have no political views as speaker be so anti british how the hell did he get the job. Oh thats right he a puppet for his puppet masters.
he as been around to many lazy M.P.s
Vote ukip :D
Another DAMMED good reason to vote UKIP.
How on earth does this Burke Bercow ALWAYS manage to annoy everybody when he opens his mouth..UGH !!!
His got to try and make some freind's somewhere as he has to be one of the most hated in his own country.
Bercow and his missus have never down a days work in their life , the problem with this Country and Europe are bone idle greedy corrupt politicians like him.
I work in the hotel Industry & the only reason they hire Europeans is they don't have to pay the same level of TAX/NI to the government by labeling the job as a migrant position. Its about a £500- 800 saving per employee so when you have a thousand employees the numbers add up to big cost savings plus they can hire & fire them at will. They are cheap & disposable & that's why the government & Business love them, Take away the TAX breaks so all workers are on an equal footing & watch how fast these businesses change track.
I would rather there was a selective migration of Easton Europeans than the mas influx of of all the extremists who want to change our country. I have worked with Easton Europeans and they are very good workers and try to fit in with the uk way of life. Unfortunately most of them i spoke to did not want to stay here in this country because of our emigration policy's.I would say it far better to get replacements for our skilled and talented that have jumped ship and gone to likes of Australia and Canada than have so many so called cooks in fast food shops.
MP's are voted into power to govern the people not replace them with those seeking lebensraum. Besides the work ethic of the migrants is likely to dissipate once they learn the benefits system, something most are certainly not used to in the country of origin.
What Bercow fails to realise i this, yes many of these migrants are hard workers, but the fast majority of them do this hard work at a reduced cost and under the threat of losing the job they have got. I work both as a HGV driver and Senior Administration and Finance officer and in both jobs I have seen this. For exams, I currently work as a HGV driver for a well know grocery store through and agency. There are 3 gentlemen, all polish who work for the same agency doing the same job as me yet I get paid £9.50 an hour and they get paid £7.75 with no overtime payment. There are those immigrants who stick to their guns and demand the same rights as us English, but the majority are too scared and have to work harder and longer just to make a livible wage. If the government made all employers pay the same wage across the board then you will see a big shift in the work ethics of a migrant. The other issues is many migrants don't pay tax as their employers pay cash in hand at less then £6
Lol and his wife is a hard worker,,, Good Grief,, spongers both of them..
I think he is confusing 'Hard working' with 'Cheaper' I've been in the building industry for 16yrs and the recent changes in labour force have most defiantly not brought more productivity or skill to the industry. Recent clients have spoke of past bad experiences of immigrant builders where on first impressions they seem extremely hard working but then all has become clear towards the finish as job is nowhere near complete and overruns by months. What is happening is the immigrant workers are willing to work for almost half local workers and they will be paid on an hourly rate or day rate basis so they will make up some of the difference by 'being on site long hours' and 'being on site weekends' not to be confused with working long hours or working weekends. Over the last few years I've seen this first hand so I feel I'm far more qualified than our man Mr Berkow to speak on this subject and really don't appreciate more MPs slating off the British workforce which built this country.
Anybody would be harder working than his wife!!
They're certainly harder working than our MP's. But then you'd practically have to be a corpse to be worse!
Employers have been able to get rich as they go East to get cheap workers and school them in topping up their lower wages with tax funded benefits- including housing. The indulged Bercows are cushioned from all the effects on schools, hospitals etc etc. Thanks to Europe and our soooo compliant government it's a lose lose for the British working man. How would JB feel watching someone take his job knowing that the taxes he has paid are being used to make this possible. At least JB's speech shows whose side Parliament is on.
This incideous poisoned dwarf hasnt done a good days work in his life, how dare he tell us that foreigners work harder than the indigenous people. The only good thing I can see in a labour goverment is the end of this creep and his petulant power crazy female.
bercow spouts - ¿But the media is not the Government and it is not Parliament. I am here as a friend of Romania and someone who sees the benefits of immigration.¿......................................Is there not a position of 'speaker' in the Romanian Government? Being as how YOU are a 'friend' of that country perhaps you and yours would benefit from migrating there. I feel you would NOT be missed in this over run country.
What useful purpose does Burco and his vile wife serve? .......... NONE.
Some migrants are more hardworking than some Britons......and probably most migrants are more hardworking than Mrs Berkow.,
Headline is a bit misleading. He has said the immigration should be monitored and managed. He's only referring to EU-A8 immigration. I think he may have been partly right in 2004, but now that the economy has slowed down there are decent British people who can't get their foot in the workplace as it's now established that foreign staff do those jobs. Also people like his wife are in opposition to what would improve british work effort, such as proper changes to the benefits system and education. There are many other factors determining if migration is beneficial or not. For example if a particular migrant is only on the minimum wage their tax would not cover the cost of schooling even 2 school age children in most LAs meaning a net-loss to the state.
the first intelligent remark ever that has the label bercow attached
of course his job is safe
This is symptomatic of a liberal elite that is not only out of touch with the electorate, but totally contemptuous of it.
SHOULD WE REPLACE ALL OUR GOVT THEN ??? - -CANT MAKE ANY WORSE JOB THAN THE ONE WE HAVE - - - I SUGGEST FRANCES GOVT COME HERE- - THEY WOULD HAVE CHOUDRAY AND HIS GANG OF TWO FACED FANATICAL FREELOADING TERROR SUPPORTERS OUT BEFORE DINNER ON THE FIRST DAY.
This repulsive little man and his chav wife should crawl back under the stone from which they came....
This repulsive little man and his chav wife should crawl back under the stone from which they came....
Yes but only Northern Eastern Europeans, not Romanians and Bulgarians who have never been known for hard work but for laziness and fraud..
So the British have little aptitude or commitment according to this nasty, little man? I presume that he can back that up with some kind of facts, proof or statistics?
Are idiots like Berkow born stupid or do they work on it ?
well DM why have you not printed my comment please give me a good reason.- maxxymoo 09, Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom, >>>>>>Look under worst rated and page to below the red arrows there are many comments there that do not make the main page.
Who listens to Berk and Cow they are idiots
Pompous little gnome
From a man who gets 3 months off !
He probably has some Eastern European cleaners, that he pays peanuts!
You can only praise the work ethic of foreigners because you are not allowed to say anything negative about them or the pc brigade will become so upset, shocked and disgusted! So forget saying anything about them not learning English or that they commit crime whilst here (just ask the Met Police who commits the most credit card crimes) as it is not going to be printed.
Oh they work hard alright - that's why 30,000 Romanians were arrested in the Metropolitan Police area in the last 5 years alone - and they shouldn't even be here yet. They can just walk in, no criminal records check, sign on as self employed and the full benefit system is available. Subsidised housing, free education for their kids, access to NHS, Job seekers allowances, benefits for children left in their home country.......We have been systematically and royally shafted by this EU scam. It needs to end and end NOW. Vote UKIP.
Bercow has no idea - let me tell you about Romania Mr Bercow - they are liars, thieves and beggars, one tribe traffics women, another children, another drugs, another gold - car parks are full of 'can I wash your car brigade' Romanians of course - have you seen the gang master lurking in the background taking the loot - the mafia of the car parks and they are here because they have invented self employment - next January they will be claiming houses, benefits, schools for the children and health cate for their aged parents they will bring - if anyone knows how to work the system and pull the wool over they eyes of the politico's its the Romanians closely followed by the Bulgarains - who will all come en masse - suitcases alreayd packed and coach tickets bought - I worked there for 4 years and I know - Mr B does not have a clue - as he has just demonstrated. And why are they coming? we don't need them, we don't want them - hey let's leave the EU to their own home grown disasters
Migrants are more vulnerable to exploitation than Britons. And many migrants exploit our welfare system at the first opportunity!
The political classes have regarded the citizens of Britain to be 3rd or even 4th class in our own country for many years now.They think of us as racist lowlife and have nothing but contempt for us and our views.We need to clean them out of our parliament.,all of them.
Has Bercow ever had a real job , or has he talked his way through life like most politicians .
Typical lefty Labour opinion! Maybe Bercow's job might be lost to an Eastern European? We don't think Bercow works hard enough.
my god what a nerve coming from a greedy little tyke who has spent his years at the Westminster trough lining his pockets with taxpayers cash and never done a decent days work in his life
dont you just love the way your MPs support the UK worker?
Nothing to do with his parents being Romanian immigrants then.
What a simplistic and insulting comment from Bercow ! In the five years before I retired, I worked nights in a warehouse. There were work targets that were hard to achieve , but I was able to pass these targets (ahead of even 20 year olds ) night after night ! We had over that time numerous Eastern European workers ,some good some poor. The thing that I found very central to facts, Bercows and many others who have no experience (by their comments) in talking to these lads was that the money they earned over here was 5 times what they could earn in their own country. Can you imagine the British, if by going to Europe they could earn 5 times what they are payed here ? What an incentive to work ! Yes some British are lazy , but that applies to every country. All in all Bercows comments are based on stereotypical ignorance, but what do you expect from a politician ?
bet they are of benefit to some of the pies he has his fingers in
I would say that when it comes to the lower paid ,less appealing jobs ,he is absolutely right. Eastern Europeans seem to be dilligent and enthusiastic in the type of occupations that we would deem as pointless drudgery. Waking in the small hours to work in a bakery or sitting all night in a 24 hour petrol station ...and all those nasty cleaning jobs... etc, they still embrace a healthy work ethic and, by shrewd money management are able to support themselves and their families back home. We could all learn by taking a leaf from their book.
They are harder workers...really!!!! Were they the ones that fought hard for us in world war 1 and 2 so Britain could be free....thought not! He needs to shut up and sit down I think you will find the person who needs to shut up and sit down is alot closer to home. No. 303 ("Ko¿ciuszko") Polish Fighter Squadron (Polish: 303 Dywizjon My¿liwski "Warszawski im. Tadeusza Ko¿ciuszki") was one of 16 Polish squadrons in the Royal Air Force (RAF) during the Second World War. It was the highest scoring RAF squadron of the Battle of Britain He is neither right or wrong as there are hard working immigrants im sure but there will be lazy immigrants also and the same applys to people who were born in the uk. You can only do it case by case and not so "Oh these people are all super hard working or super lazy because everyone is an individual.
Bercow your Eastern European counterparts put you lot to shame, their WORK ETHICS are much superior to your privileged, pampered and obscenely plush lifestyle. I hope the next Commons Speaker is Eastern European working for £6:31 per hour and still doing a much better job than you could ever dream of doing. Voting for UKIP all the way here, Nigel will sort you lot out out no more caviar and champagne, make do with bread and water and by God you will have to work for that.
Don't you mean harder workers than Politicians
coming from a man how has never done a days work in his life ............
Bercow, who made it your choice?
Lets turn this slightly round - if I was to say for example Eastern Europeans are lazy would I not get done for racism? Why then isn't Bercow - he is clearly discriminating against British workers. The man is a disgrace
John Bercrow has never done a days work in his life, if he has the courage of his convictions he should resign and give his non job to a migrant.
This man seriously has short man syndrome, as well as inactive brain cell syndrome. Mouth needs to shut up syndrome, and I can't dress syndrome. Enough said I think.
So on that basis soon all jobs will be held by foreigners and all the natives here will be on benefits!
Who does this little squirt think he is, my grandad worked 6 days a week all his life, my grandma went to work ill, my mother and father work hard its only since people like him who threw British workers onto the scrap heap for the sake of cheap foreign labour that the British have been slated insulted and degraded, Christ i wish we in Great Britain could get some of the same spirit those demonstrators in Turkey have.
Stop benefits and people will work harder to stay in a job. Some friends of mine employ Polish people, they work very hard and pay UK taxes which is more that a lot of British scrounges.
- Mike , Liverpool, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 09:29 ....................... You have a very interesting way of mangling written English.
Ok, Mr Bercow, and your wife lived with Gypsies and tells us what honest, hardworking folk they are as well!
Pratt.
i wonder which country his nanny hails from
Let the truth be told. John Bercow is right. His only mistake is to say the truth in a country that hates the truth and loves the unreal. Migrants work harder than the British. Red arrows please. - Tony, Maidstone United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 3:20 Glad to oblige Tony! Truth is only a peas brain would generalise about a nationality.If we were to follow that line there is plenty I could say ,but that would be racist or xenophobic. Seems its ok to do that about our own people though.How patriotic you are.Thank goodness we didn't have a nation of weaklings like you when Hitler was around!
our country went from the united kingdom of great briton to briton. english irish scots welsh built this god given country to us. REMBEMBER THE WORDS TO THE HYMN ..JERUSALEM "THOSE DARK SATANIC MILLS" mr bercow and your club of 650, our forebears worked and died there as in mines shipyards railways, foundries steelworks on the roads in the fields..h.m forces.. no national heath service ..dole or pensions.. family allowance.... or immigrants. no mr berrcow of the demolition party, sorry coalition party THE GREAT BRITISH NATION BUILT GREAT BRITAIN you the polititions took us to britain and less. the 1970s germany and holland wanted brit construction workers and payed em well. british workers gave us history...polititions gave us no future.
Ah yes, John Bercow, a man who has never done a day's work in his life. The hardest thing he's ever done is to stuff his pockets with our money.
What he means is Brits can't get jobs because they have all been taken by immigrants that this and the previous government imported.
This is another misleading stereotype which has been proved to be wrong. Perhaps Mr. Bercow could be replaced with a Romanian or Bulgarian,
It is true that a lot of Eastern European immigrants are hard-working. However,as many of these immigrants very willingly do the menial low-paid jobs, they are 'entitled' to housing benefit, child benefits and other benefits. So, how does this benefit the Country's economy or the taxpayer!?!!!
Strange how many councils who have employed these eastern europeans because they are cheaper than british workers, then call in the british workers to put right what the eastern europenas have bodged up. Harder workers what a laugh we have a eastern european apprentice thick doesnt describe him and lazy all he does is stand outside smoking all day.
I would rather there was a selective migration of Easton Europeans than the mas influx of of all the extremists who want to change our country. I have worked with Easton Europeans and they are very good workers and try to fit in with the uk way of life. Unfortunately most of them i spoke to did not want to stay here in this country because of our emigration policy's.I would say it far better to get replacements for our skilled and talented that have jumped ship and gone to likes of Australia and Canada than have so many so called cooks in fast food shops.
Horrid little man and obviously as prone to saying the wrong thing as his wife.
Ha! You're presumably speaking about yourself and your fellow politicians John.
It has been said a certain political party allowed immigrants to enter Britain so that the numbers voting for their party would increase. Its nice to know he's jumped ship -well done Bercow.
Bercow has it all wrong.!! They come here for the benefits!! Not for the benefit of Britain.m Get out of office Bercow and take your money grabbing wife with you. To Romania perhaps
Him and his wife surely must be surefire candidates for the worlds biggest 'foot in mouth' award! The pair of them really need to learn to 'engage brain' before opening their mouths. Talk about if they had brains they'd be dangerous! Pair of idiots!!
Lives in cuckoo land!
.DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE ARE TWO USLESS BITS OF SCHITT IN ONE HOUSEHOLD. E U COUNTS FOR 83% OF ALL LAWS ,THEY HAVE TO HAVE HOLS AS THEY HAVE GOT NOTHING TO DO,LAYES LOT OF SCHITTS. VOTE UKIP TO BRING THE LAWS BACK HOME. FROM A TRUE BLUE ,VOTE FOR UKIP CLIVE HOVE.
I wouldn't say eastern Europeans are harder working, but I would go as far as saying they do jobs others don't want to do.
Bercow? Just drop the 'ow'.
Enjoying your summer break there mate? How about the best hotels abroad which includes full service. Yeh nice hard work thar. Leading by example I see.
Is there lead paint in their house.I thought it was just his wife that was deluded! It must be environmental.shut up John who cares what you think.
They certainly work harder than MPs.
Perhaps we should have a Polish person instead of him as Speaker.
What he should be saying is, migrants come to the UK and work for the minimum wage making fat cats richer.
How many on his doorstep?
The numpty Bercow makes the comment, Media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament, or Government, What he should have said was, The views of Parliament and this Government, do not reflect the views of the ordinary electorate.
On the other hand, one would have to ask Mr Bercow the question, "if all the migrants are far more industrious than the British people, why then are the countries they left behind in such a poverty stricken mess and why are many of them living off the welfare benefits system in England"
Who does this imperious little man think he is? He says that that media coverage does not reflect the views of Parliament. Oh I am sorry, I was under the impression that media coverage reflects the views of the people of this country, who incidentally, are paying for your lifestyle, a lifestyle which the vast majority of us can only dream about. Come down off your imperious little perch Burkow and remind yourself that you are only a human being like the rest of us, we already have a Queen.
We no longer have traditional values in our Country. A standard job is either drug dealing or signing on!! The Government has well and truly destroyed it, why should people work hard when their is NO benefit at the end of it?!
well DM why have you not printed my comment please give me a good reason.
The Polish and the Baltic state people were the slave-wage labour. The Romanians and the Bulgarians will be the actual slaves. The Britons can just die off for all the LibLabCon care.
More to the point,who paid for this jaunt to Romania. With his wife's fine to fund perhaps he was looking for tips on scams to get some money. The man is an absolute disgrace and will be jobless after the next election.
I bet all employers will agree, as they love paying lower wages to these migrants. Bercow frankly is pretty awful, and I wonder where his Wife gets it all from?
He and that thing he calls a wife are both foot in mouth specialist when it comes to speaking about issues they know nothing about.
Yet again Mr Bercow is correct.
You may not like what he says, but he is absolutely 100% spot on. Eastern Europeans have a work-ethic instilled in them that is sadly missing in a lot of today's British workers. Unfortunately there is a culture where people want to earn money for as little work as they can get away with. We as a nation, could actually learn a thing or two from our former Eastern-Bloc friends.
He's right in one sense they would all work much harder than John Bercow he is probably one of the laziest persons on this planet. Indeed John Bercow doesn't work he just turns up but in terms of work he doesn't do any and would not know the meaning of the word.
Britains political system needs to be modernised with MP's only allow to be elected for 3 terms in office then they have to get a job.They are all disrepectful to the british public and too big for their boots.
You know these so called politicians have no idea what goes on in the real world. I am sick and tired of people saying we are not hard workers. Everybody I know work bloody hard to make ends meet. Not like those that live in there Ivory Tower at Westminster at the Tax Payers expense. With there massive salaries, perks, pensions etc etc Its wouldnt hurt them to change places with us and just see how hard we work. Every Country have there work shy but the majority of us work bloody hard to look after how families.
Well yes of course it does John. That would explain then why my daughter, while doing her degree in London, was unable to get a part time job because she was undercut by cheaper migrant labour. subsequently she left for Canada where she now has a good job, and her brother has followed her. I would much rather they stayed in England so that we could enjoy family life and grandchildren but that has all been taken away by relentless migration. In your case John "Berk" really is the salient word isn't it!
The numpty Bercow makes the comment, Media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament, or Government, What he should have said was, The views of Parliament and this Government, do not reflect the views of the ordinary electorate.
The political elite have for the last 50 years conducted a social experiment where everyone is equal, no one is better than anyone else, everyone knows their rights and entitlements and we have welfare that provides a better income than the average job and a cost of living that is ludicrous. They then open the borders to economic migrants who undercut wages and have the cheek to turn round and call us lazy because we have to live within the system that they created and maybe don't want to live 5 to a room in a bedsit! We also don't have the option to send those relatively low wages back to a country where the value is significantly greater, we live here where it pays for very little.
Actually, this is a lie. Immigrants come to Britain and settle in immigrant hotspots such as London, Birmingham, Manchester. In cities like these, that is where you will find immigrants. The vast majority of the UK is still being run by white English people. Go to the countryside, or other lovely cities where the population is 99% white English, you have English people doing all the menial jobs. So this is a damn outright lie, it is slander. This man should go.
Some do ! But not all of them. The biggest factor is Business !! They are the ones that have benefited most LOWER WAGES !!!! Immigration is the number one issue for all EU countries and it will only get worse !!
This is the same as saying all muslims are terrorists. See how far you'd get if you'd said that Mr. Bercow? When the "thought police" got hold of you your feet wouldn't touch the ground. But to slag off UK workers is ok is it? Idiot.
This statement makes me so angry , British are not lazy , But where can we go to earn a decent wage and send it home to buy a nice home ,If you work hard in Britain all your money is taken in taxes eg. council tax doubled in 10 years , water doubled , and i could go on ........ where can i go for the better life ? Greece ? turkey ,France,all just as bad if not worse .!!
Does he mean benefitted us by scamming our welfare system, bringing crimes here that we never had before, increasing rape attacks and thefts, overloading our hospitals and housing, and camping next to motorways and in people`s garden sheds?
There is a section of the British public to which Bercow's comment applies. they are of course the Welfare Class. However, who made them that way? the answer, naturally, is scumbag politicians like Bercow who wanted to keep the bottom of the barrel sweet without actually doing anything governmental about it. The answer: free money from those of us dumb enough to actually work for a living.
His view of the British is probably tainted by the behaviour of those closest to him, i.e. politicians!
I use to Work in Germany,..(because of Thatcher) When you know your miles Away from Home, you Go for the (QUICK CASH)........ BUT you know it WONT LAST, So you WORK HARD because you KNOW ITS ONLY A TEMPORARY BENEFIT (FIX).............BUT... If he`s Not Happy with British workers..............then which one of the seven Dwarf`s is He??
It is nice to see Mr Bercow talking up our country and British workers like all the traitor class politicians. They only believe in their own greedy self-serving careers.
Hardworking more than the British politicians with their long holidays their self awarding pay rises and short hours
He is just a sad old man in the wrong job too. He and his deputy both need to be removed from their jobs and a decent experienced person voted in to do both jobs. We have had enough of these free loading idiots with their sexual likes and their trough feeding. Replace them both and remove their grace and favour free homes for the positions as well. This is another out of date job related item.
Maybe this little creep, should try working?
Who cares how hard migrants work? Most people work as hard as they need to to achieve their goals and working harder than that is pointless. The reason most economic migrants work hard is that they're filling their boots in a temporary job before heading home, not because they're naturally industrious.
This man is so way out of his depth in every conceivable way.
Bercow is a traitor, and will go to jail.
maybe these 'jolly foreigners ' would make for better politicians?
Bercow has got to be the biggest embarrassment to the Conservative Party that has ever existed,he is unable to see the logic of reduce immigration down to NIL then there will be work a plenty,and those who refuse lose their benefits Bloody Simple unless your name is Bercow.No Comment about his wife" permanently "
To be honest, I know this is unpopular but it is an issue. My sister runs her own dry cleaners with a small team and needed another member of staff. She advertised the position locally and got 44 calls regarding the position. Out of those 44 people, only 3 people went to the shop to pick up an application form. And you guessed it, those 3 people were polish. This country makes it far too easy to sit on your backside taking handouts and I'm sick of working 18 hours per day to pay for it! I'm always hearing "there are no jobs"... The bottom line is if you really want a job, you will find one.
thanks for that Mr Speaker. I'm working 60 hour weeks for next to nothing and big bills to pay, its good to know we are all in this together !! Why don't you take your short stumpy self and your disgrace of a wife and jump in a lake.......preferably a foreign one. Prat.
The Speaker says that media coverage of immigration does not reflect the views of Government and Parliament but I thought the media represented the real concerns many people share about open immigration. So there we have it from one that should know, those in power con/lab/lib are not interested in what the electorate think.
Current Eastern Europeans are slave-wage labour; the Romanians and Bulgarians will be yer actual slaves. Britons will be welfare dependent, and easier to kill.
What he says does seem to have an element of truth but, as he's never done a days work in his life, he's the last person to talk about it.
So much for being faithful to your employer. Had I have done this in my job as a local government officer, I'd have been given my marching orders. Time for him to GO.
If the immigrants are such a benefit to Britain, why is the country still going down the pan? Freeloaders like Berkow and his ilk I presume!
From where did this silly little man come from, with a name like Bercow.?
Migrant workers are most certainly harder workers than MPs .. but I'm a Briton and they are NOT harder working than me. Get stuffed Mr Bercow.
We need to replace ALL of our MPs with East Europeans NOW!
It seems they haven't finished rubbishing the British people just yet! Is it because we wont play ball on the EU and immigration?
Oh yes, those British are lazy - especially those very rich ones who exploit Eastern Europeans to displace Britons. They are so busy thinking of ways to make money dishonestly and dishonourably.
Not a week or month goes by without our glorious MPs bad mouthing the British work force. I have worked my fingers to the bone since the age of 16, I continually update my skill-set, I have paid thousands towards further education as well as running my own business and this odious little rat has the cheek to tell me that I don't work hard as immigrants. I've never read so much rubbish in all my life. It is thanks to the political class that my young nephews who are highly educated and have an excellent work ethic cannot find a job (menial or otherwise). Your government detests its own people it favors immigrants over the native population. If you give a damn about your country and your children's future then you know what to do.
Perhaps we can get some cut price Eastern European Politicians who also would work a lot harder than our PARASITES
200% agree with Mr Farage, we must all vote UKIP.
200% agree with Mr Farage, we must all vote UKIP.
This man knows nothing about ordinary workers or work places - yes there are some very good hard working immigrants over here, also there are many that have & are a total drag on this Island of what was once ours, over the last 30yrs or more we have been treated & conned by or previous governments, & now they are absolutely in a blind panic at the new revolution looming, then you get the arrogance of what & what they think is defiance against us ordinary people by the horrible liars that are on a sinking ship, we cannot must not vote any of that lot Lib/Lab? Cons in again they have to see how angry we are with their policies & remarks against us,& it seems so stupid to me I ten years or so ago voted for who I thought was best of a horrible bunch!! thank goodness people are listening more to UKIP, I have voted for them for a while, just because of the contempt & disrespect the other parties have made us suffer, now I totally believe Mr Farage is the answer.
They are harder workers...really!!!! Were they the ones that fought hard for us in world war 1 and 2 so Britain could be free....thought not! He needs to shut up and sit down
In some respects he is right. Migrant workers from Eastern Europe will always work harder at fruit picking for instance, over some spotty British teenager, that's why people employ them. However that is not an excuse for more mass immigration. The unemployed of this country will NEVER work as hard as migrants in this type of work because there is no point. They are better off on benefits!
If that comment had been made against a minority it would have resulted in prosecution. But because he is racist to Brits it's ok!! GET A GRIP!
Little boy syndrome . I bet he doesn't speak back to his wife.
useless greedy little man ........................
At the next general election would Conservative voters in his constituancy Of Buckingham please realise that they are being cheated. He is NOT a Conservative. He is a traitor, pretending to be one. So although it is a safe Tory seat, they will have to find a real conservative to vote for. UKIP perhaps?
So it is ok to massively generalise negatively about native residents of Britain but you can't say a thing against any minority even if it is factual - welcome to our fine nation
This man is a real British patriot isn't he. If the british aren't as hard working it is due to the crazy Labour benefits culture, and who got him into his current job.
Massive generalisation! I know Polish who run shops and work very hard, I see others out begging all day. I know Brits who work 60 hours a week and others who do nothing! There aren't enough jobs to go round and the people of this country should be given first refusal and a big training scheme needs to be set up...along with closing the borders for a good few years
Eastern Europeans are being exploited in this country. They displace Britons who become welfare dependent. It's a deliberate ploy. Britons are too stupid (or frightened) to notice that their country is occupied by a foreign power.
What a simplistic and insulting comment from Bercow ! In the five years before I retired, I worked nights in a warehouse. There were work targets that were hard to achieve , but I was able to pass these targets (ahead of even 20 year olds ) night after night ! We had over that time numerous Eastern European workers ,some good some poor. The thing that I found very central to facts, Bercows and many others who have no experience (by their comments) in talking to these lads was that the money they earned over here was 5 times what they could earn in their own country. Can you imagine the British, if by going to Europe they could earn 5 times what they are payed here ? What an incentive to work ! Yes some British are lazy , but that applies to every country. All in all Bercows comments are based on stereotypical ignorance, but what do you expect from a politician ?
Speak for yourself mr speaker
I don't see any evidence supporting Bercow. The House of Lords immigration report shows that only the immigrants benefit from immigration. When people make statements like this, they should be challenged for justification. I'm fed up with Bercow and his turkey wife, it's time he was replaced with someone, competent, even handed and unburdened with a publicity seeking wife.
And what does this odious person know of the normal person on the street. How can he have the gall to comment from his ivory tower, receiving an enormous salary for part time work plus free palatial living accommodation.
mmm if I or my childless children could get housing benefit, tax credits, child benefit and minimum wage we too would seek this high paid benefit driven work. Unfortunatly we don't as we struggle on just minimum wage!
maybe he'd like to give up his job to them? ...thought not.
Maybe Mr Bercow should learn from his wife and SHUT UP!
Not that he would actually know hard work if it bit him on his parliamentary backside.
Would there not be a furore and accusations of racism if similar comments were made calling immigrants lazy and suggesting Brits were harder working?
Eastern Europeans are slave labour, and have damaged the life-prospects of ALL Britons EXCEPT the likes of Bercow who want them here for their own nefarious purposes.
Yeah you're right... Until the British worker is willing to work in a car wash for £2 an hour and live 16 to 18 people in a terraced house... ...The country will not recover..!!
The Commons Speaker said the arrival of thousands of migrants from Eastern Europe has had great advantages for Britain..........The biggest advantage to these politicians is that if they come to settle here now they would probably be eligible to vote in the referendum in 2017 and vote against leaving the EU.
Bercow in his disillusionment needs to crawl back in his hole, immigrant workers have not benefitted BRITAIN because we are having to keep the rest of them that arrived here with no money, no jobs, and nowhere to live and we are providing these benfits to people who haven't contributed anything whatsoever to our country but are robbing it blind. BRITISH PEOPLE would still be working if it hadn't been for THATCHER and Co privatising and closing industries that were relevant to the country's economy and we now have another tory government that is doing the same. .
To generalise and judge people in this way is utter rubbish. There are hard workers and shirkers in all races and it will alway be that way, no matter where they are from.
Typical Tory, hatred of working classes, through, and through, UKIP, puts us first,
This is an old argument that might have been true once, but not any more.
Immigrants, no matter from where and no matter where they are going to, will always have to prove themselves into the new society they've adopted, which leads naturally to work harder, because they have to. Plus, UK's society runs smoothly, with lots of return from taxes. Social equality is the base of this society, there's not much difference between the earnings of someone living with minimum wage and someone with a post-grad job, which leads to a lack of need to work too hard to get ''rewarded'. This reality is not the same in most of underdeveloped and developing countries, where one either work as hard as possible to achieve success or live out of an underpaid paid.
The traitor Mandelson admitted that Labour did exactly the same as the traitor Bercow has done - encourage the displacement of British people. That's what the LibLabCon do. Wake up.
Why did he find it necessary to go there and how much did it cost us for this greedy, selfish, small-minded man to go there and insult us? Preparing for another wave of immigrants to keep wages down for the rest of us while he insists MPs need another 10 grand to do the job they are already over paid for? I'm sick of MPs telling us that the British don't work hard and spreading this disgraceful myth and slur about the people they are supposed to represent. REMEMBER, an MP always has an AGENDA. If he's said this, there was a nasty reason behind it. We should be told what it was and real JOURNALISTS should make it their business to find out!
They are cheaper too!!
Says a man who sits in a chair all day shouting order and getting paid loads
Well maybe britons are just sick of being pi&&ed on all the time but this government who take away large amounts of the pittance's we earn. Some people just don't see the point of getting a job and if they are forced into one by the job centre, make a hash of it so they can go back on benefits. I'm not saying that's right or moral, but it's certainly true.
Immigrants, no matter from where and no matter where they are going to, will always have to prove themselves into the new society they've adopted, which leads naturally to work harder, because they have to. Plus, UK's society runs smoothly, with lots of return from taxes. Social equality is the base of this society, there's not much difference between the earnings of someone living with minimum wage and someone with a post-grad job, which leads to a lack of need to work too hard to get ''rewarded'. This reality is not the same in most of underdeveloped and developing countries, where one either work as hard as possible to achieve success or live out of an underpaid paid.
Bercow isn't really British is he? Certainly not a Christian.
its time for a new political party in the uk time to rid England of the tory labour merry go round
Swivel eyed loon.
Since when did he or his wife know anything about hard work
Another treasonous rat - you can tell that he doesn't have to deal with his children being held back because half or more of the class can barely speak English; be treated as a foreigner in his own country, see crime rates in his area soar as the incomers go through areas like locusts, have difficulty accessing healthcare because the system is now overwhelmed by numbers. Yes, undoubtedly some ARE hard-working, but many more are not, and quite how this idiot can see millions of pounds pouring out of the nation's economy as benefiting the UK just beggars belief.
The LibLabCon has decided that far too many Britons are getting too uppity and must be reminded that they are lazy and don't deserve their own country and that it must be handed over to third-worldesque Eastern Europeans.
If these people work harder than us how come their countries are not booming and us lot trying to go to their country. They live in a third world manner and only come here for our benefit system.
So let's have a Polish Commons Speaker. It would be a change to have somebody polite and unassuming doing this little man's job.
Are these the sort of people we have in power.Why do they keep on violating the laws of discrimination against the British taxpaying people and not punished for it.l know what would happen if this was the other way round,where if a British taxpayer said the immigrants are lazy and scroungers,they would be marched straight to court."But",it seems these people in power have the right to break the laws they have enforced.
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
THE MAN IS A RAVING LOONEY HE IS IN THE WRONG PARTY.
OYYY, BERCOW, just so you know, I have always worked hard and paid taxes to keep the benefits system going, just to pay for the immigrants who come here and claim for children in there own country, and YOU don't even check up to see if the child exists. To pay for them to get a free university study where as our children have to pay. To pay for them to get free NHS treatment while British people are pushed to the back of the queue and left on a trolley in the corridor. Need I go on. I hate to think what this country will be like by the time your term in government is finished.
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
The LibLabCon's job is to encourage the in-va-sion of Britain. We know this already, that's why we are sending it to the trashcan of history (and jail, hopefully).
we really need a new peoples party this man works for you, if you spoke about your boss like this how would you be treated.
I wonder how he'd feel if an immigrant applied for his job and got it!
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
At last,the truth that dare not speak its name..........not gone down well with the 'phobes has it?,but then the truth never does.
This is what politicians think of the British worker is it.
Perhaps they do when it involves a gullible MP like you, Bercow, that they hope is going to help them stay in the country , but I had to relay the pathway they laid down by some such myself because they were too lazy to do a proper job even after being called back for a second chance! And the front gardens of two of the homes lived in by immigrants I can see from my bedroom windows are absolute tips,when compared to those of the rest of us. what with untended overgrown hedges multiple derelict cars and old bits of timber chipboard covering the drive torn up by their "building" work vehicles! How many live like that in the Palace of Westminster John??
With idiots like this spouting about the benifits of immigrants in the UK are handing UKIP more and more votes Bercow go and ask the people in the street what people think of you and your out of touch comments
How the hell would John Bercow know what hard work is?
'Migrants are harder workers than Britons'. For that matter Foxconn workers in China often work 12 hours a day at fast pace and sleep in the factory, this is just one example among many and not even the worst. Instead of ensuring that workers' rights are respected everywhere both for respect of human rights and to avoid unfair competition elites like a race to the bottom for native common people. At the same time there is a welfare system that often rewards laziness and rules that defend bureaucrats and other protected categories. In Italy the mantra of almost all politicians and media is: "Immigrants do the jobs that Italians do not want to do anymore". Thanks to this excuse the hourly wage for many jobs, especially low-skilled ones, is now about 4£ and working condition in most cases are getting worse.
What a slimy little creep Bercow is, the man whose name is one syllable too long.
I am afraid he looks at this from a rather blinkered angle. It is true that migrants take many of the unattractive and low paid jobs, but that is more because they can afford to live off much lower wages. The indigenous population has to try and run a home and possibly a family, which cannot be done on some of these low paid jobs. Bercow might want to take into account how these immigrants live - many people sharing houses to lower overheads. A farmer near me had Lithuanians and Russians picking veg - I think that they packed something like 16 people into a 4 nbedroom house. Sure British people could do that, but would you expect them to do so while bringing up a family? Not so long ago the British were being lauded as the hardest workers in Europe and putting in the longest hours!!
Read all about Bercow on wikipedia. When are the English going to cotton on that they are being replaced in their own homeland on purpose? Wake up!!! It's not some dreadful mistake by the clumsy new Labour govt.
Yes some of them will benefit this country but we have far too many and too many just taking benefits which a lot of our unemployed youngsters can't even get. Moderation in all things and in immigration we are being sunk.
That's what the LibLabCon is all about: going to the third-worldesque Eastern Europe, and encouraging their people to in-vade Britain. Mandelson admitted it as well. In 2010, there was a chance for people in Buckingham to throw Bercow out and install Nigel Farage in Westminster - but they thought they knew better. Well, you get what you deserve, and I expect that Buckingham is full of in-vad-ers.
Walter in Stuttgart you have sunk your OWN argument. HOW can Farage be xenophobe AND married to a german. How does that work. You are talking complete bosch
Brits are lazy and that is a fact
Thank you Mr. Bercow. Every time you and your ilk open your mouths it is another 10k votes for U.K.I.P.
Bercow. accommodated in taxpayer-funded luxury in the Palace of Westminster, does not have to live with these immigrants.
And who built up these British Companies, it wasn't the flaming Eastern Europeans it was hard working Brits. It's been widely noticed that once the honeymoon period is over the Eastern Europeans are no more hard working than any other person, in fact my husband has had to let them go, because they turn up drunk the next day or hide so they can skive while others do the work. We are being led up the garden path on this one, cheaper labour is not the best labour. Our successive Governments have peed all over the British People from high in the last 16 years, we should not take this rubbish anymore, we are hardworking, the powers that be are just trying to brainwash you into thinking you are useless, I am voting UKIP I've had enough of the people in charge telling me I don't work as hard as the Eastern Europeans. The pigs at the trough that run this country are the ones that don't work hard, and they created the benefits culture, which a hell of a lot of Eastern Europeans now claim.
I don't normally agree with him, but as an employer, he is spot on. British workers are strictly, (strictly!) 8:30-5:30pm, with the only exception being lawyers and those working in bars and coffee shops, but even then, most of those who are willing out of regular hours workers are as the man says, immigrants. The Brits I have hired have mostly been lazy, rude and most depressingly, untrustworthy and dishonest. I hired Latvian, Lithuanian and Polish when in London, and they were: a) Incredibly polite. b) Very hard working. c) Honest. d) Significantly more reasonable and intelligent. e) Able to drink me under the table.
Comments from one of the biggest "takers' in government, who has probably never done a days work in his life ! "Poisonous little dwarf" !
Well when you look at the holidays and perks of the normal MP , my pet snail that push starts 747's works harder. . Out of touch
Bit of a sweeping statement isn't it?
So do these people just get their finger out when the monetary gain is greater? Curious as to why such hard workers haven't changed the fortunes of their native countries.
I dont think its my right to sit on my bum all day. However i do believe that no matter what job you have, what position you are in society, the fact is we are all slaves. Slaves to our workplaces. These work places rule what you do, when you do it, how much you have, how many times you can be sick in a year, amongst other things. Work is slavery. but we all need it as if we didnt then life wouldnt exist as we know it. but just so people know. at no point did i choose to be born into a society that FORCES its people to work out our short lives paying tax and working 9-5 just so that when we do reach retirement age.... well your in such a state you cant do anything anyway so you have just wasted your life.. fun eh?
How loyal of you!
Speaker John Bercow says arrival of Eastern Europeans has benefited Britain Which is a darn sight more than he has ever done.
Presumably Farage will stand as a candidate for Buckingham in 2015? Thought not.
and how would he know? I would guess he has never even met an eat European migrant.,
I can't stand him or his wife BUT there is some truth about it , thats why our care homes are staffed by Philippines people .
This is a propagandist myth that has been pounded into the public consciousness to justify the forced redundancy of the British workforce. Of course, greedy employers, who have been able to increase their profits by employing cheap migrant labour, have also willingly participated in the denigration of British workers and, by implication, British people as a whole. The politicians, employers and left wing advocates of the destruction of the British workforce disgust me. For God's sake people, stop voting for the professional con artists who pose as mainstream politicians. Vote anything but Lib/Lab/Con. They are all a bunch of self serving, anti=British traitors.
The man is a total balloon just like the rest of them.
means cheaper labour than local and keep their mouths shut and accept poor working conditions.
Why doesn't this awful little free loader and his lanky wife keep their mouths shut, He needs to get in the real world there are more eastern european criminal gangs in the UK than we are aware of, and with comments like that we can expect more. I am not saying all eastern europeans are criminals but eventually we will see that not all eastern europeans are hard working tax payers.
Coming from a MP which has the same holidays as school children (and then some) he cannot really talk.
Berc ow by nature - berc by name
This man is evidence that mps have no interest in GB. They have over the years put in place the systems that a large chunk of our population would rather lie in bed on benefits than work. Migrants come here for what they can get out of our system because their own systems give them next to nothing and still politicians do nothing but tinker with our inadequate benefit culture instead of putting in place a system that would make work a better option to benefits. Bercow has stood in front of a Romanian parliament and told them what he thought they would like to hear perhaps he should have told them how our jails are full to bursting with migrant criminals how the migrant workers are made to work for low wages because they are controlled by organised crime. Get your head out of your rectum bercow see the real world instead of living in a world that encourages corruption and self interest that you and your cronies have created .
This is unacceptable behaviour for a Speaker, they are supposed to be impartial on all subjects - which we know from past experience, Berkow is not! Perhaps his latest biased outburst is prompted by his own Eastern European heritage, his paternal Grandparents were Romanian immigrants...need I say more? How this incompetent weasel of a man and his gobsmackingly embarrassing wife remain in such a privileged position remains a daily enigma.
And how would he know?when was the last time he worked on a factory floor with these people.Some are good workers but lots are shirkers,if you dont believe me Mr burk ow come have a week with me.
I thought that the speaker was non politicial . Well at least we know who he stands up for . And it is not the British ??????????????????????????????
What's it got to do with this idiot and his opinions. Go away with your fool of a wife
Why would somebody ask his opinion ? why is his opinion of any relevance and why would it be important enough to print in a national newspaper ? This is John Berscow making comment, we really have lost the plot DM.
how would he know never haveing done a days work in his life,tony blairs parting gift to cameron,who has not got the bottle to throw him out.
Well that certainly rattled a few cages didn't it? He's not entirely wrong either. Grief, doesn't Farage look disgusting, now that is an odious man.
it wa s the people who belong here here that worked the fields 50 years ago also the irish worked hard in the fields all the jobs are being taken over by immigrants jeancoulter london
This idiot should visit Lincolnshire,we have a very big problem with Polish shops selling illegal vodka,illegal cigarettes,the drink driving accidents caused by migrants is through the roof,where has this idea come from that they are harder workers than British people,I have first hand knowledge of their work ethic and I can tell you they know the system better than any British person I know and they certainly take out more than they put in.This area has been ruined by this huge influx ,how does he know this,sounds like a conservative towing the party line to me
Bercow is only stating what Farage and all the others wishing to leave the EU believe. They do not want to leave the EU to stop immigration because that brings wages down. They want to leave the EU to get rid of employment rights for the same reason they don't want to curb immigration.
HE WOULDNT BE SAYING THAT IF THEY TOOK HIS JOB!
As Mr Bercow is speaker, and politically neutral, why on earth is he visiting Romania and speaking in their parliament...he does not speak for our government and should not have been allowed to do this. No matter how hard working these people are, we are full, and it isn't up to him to encourage them to come...unspeakable, just like the labour party who signed up to this. He should resign or we should remove him from his sinecure.
When's the last time you got your hands dirty Berk...Oops, let me rephrase that !
He knows them all personally? What an idiot this creature is!
After reading up about Bercow's career history, it seems to me that he has always been a left wing socialist with a plan to infiltrate the Conservative Party. And now he is showing left wing bias as Speaker, when this is supposed to be a neutral position. And he's getting away with it.
What a ridiculous sweeping statement based on his opinion - perhaps Bercow and his gobby wife can foot the crippling NHS bill along with the cost of interpreters and translators oh,and the housing benefits being paid out, after this he can wave a magic wand and create school places ............ we'll send them round to your gaff Bercow
I've got an idea folks, why don't we all sit back and let all the migrants work and keep us on benefits?
Immigrants are great for the elite - cheap nanny's, cheap servants to do the chores. Not perhaps so good for our young people who can't get the sort of "first jobs" they used to - hotels, shops, restaurants etc. - the flood of unskilled immigrants have taken all of those. That is the reality Mr. Bercow.
Bercow is a politician ,the definition of politics is POLY--- MANY TICS -----BLOOD SUCKING PARASITES Now do you understand
They're only harder workers if their supervisor is watching them with eyes like a hawk!
His comments are accurate and he is entitled to his view, but he is still out of his depth as Speaker, especially with the baggage he carries in the form of his stupid wife. Both have demeaned the position. Labour brought him in as a childish spite stunt, surely the government can remove him and restore the dignity of the role to its pre Mick Martin days.
Bu 11 sh 1t
Thats very true !!!!!
Good point, John: now zip it and allow one of these hard workers to have your job because you are not up to it! Come to think of it: maybe these hard working migrants might care to stand for election to the Commons and displace the rest of the venal shower masquerading as 'honourable' Members of Parliament?!
So which political interest group is Bercow trending now? **innocent face**
He is only being a good little boy and following orders. Perhaps its because David has promised him a vote on Euro, IF IF IF IF IF IF, David is extremely fortunate and beats UKIP.
It is clear that the midget has not learnt from his wife's ill chosen utterances! What a pillock. He should not be in the job!
all I can say when I am served by Eastern Europeans in restaurants they are rude and not pleasant. Before they came, we had British waitresses and waiters, they did the job well enough so why import labour. Oh yes I know, to keep the wages down. Prezzo is a chain that must only employer eastern europeans, if you go into any of their restaurants that is the only people that serve you. What about local people doing the job for reasonable wages, not for buttons.
Then maybe we could have some better politicians then, as the ones we have now are lazy and useless. And anyone who sticks up for his comments are disrespectful to the British people. Comments like this from our politicians really anger me, the sooner they go the better
When are we going to get anyone in politics who stands up for the british? Yet another reason for supporting UKIP!
Right Bercow this guy is,Has not worked out they are not wanted by the people who own this country,You are part of the Government which is charged with the Job of doing what your Employers want,thats right you are in office not to do what you want, But what the people want,So just get on with the job you are overpaid to do.
l have worked hard all my life,right from the age of 15 and payed my taxes.l now feel betrayed by the system,where l lost all my financial side of things and suffer my many ailments brought on by severe stress.How many have come here to go on the benefit system and work at the same time,while no taxes have been payed into the system and no NHS contributions.The money they receive is then sent over to their country of origin.Would you class this as fair,honest and hard working.l wouldn't
Yes but you have to remember the reasons why they seem harder working. Why should someone get out of a nice warm bed to go and work in a cold wet field when they can get enough money from the government to afford not to? To the immigrant the wage rates for mundane jobs are much higher here than their own country whereas to someone from here they are just as well off not bothering. Isn't this what IDS is trying to sort out.
"The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression.- Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:3" A "dinghy" pub? What, you mean one that floats at sea? If you could actually spell and use the English language correctly, then your post would have more chance of being taken seriously. (Just in case you still don't get the point, a "dinghy" is a small boat.) On a separate note, having worked in NYC (Manhattan) for a year, it never failed to amaze me just how many US staff seemed to make a career of walking around the office all day, waving bits of paper, but doing little else. Just saying...
Iyou don't k ow what you are talking about, you and your stupid wife represent the worst in this country. Have you ever done hard physical labour. Iguessnot, and as for your wife,well words fail me. I have two hardworking grandchildren aged18 and 22. I suggest you do a weeks work ononstruction, and cycle four miles each and e dry day, there and back in all weathers. How dare you pass judgment.
The Gov has destroyed this country and traditional values - why should we retain thetraditional value of hard work.
Now what about a Romanian as new speaker, cheaper and more hard wordking than Bercow (that wouldn't ask for much !)
He and his daft wife don't spoil a pair, do they?
I think what he says is rubbish, it is just an excuse to not pay Brits the wages we expect to earn. I know of any immigrants that work harder than Brits, the ones I know of play hooky, slack on the job, the crime in the workplace goes up and the hygiene of the toilets goes downhill. The employers want to pay peanuts, and the immigrants will accept it, that is the truth.
He is right, they are harder workers. They are the people in the UK doing most of the unskilled and back breaking work. You don't see a Pole working in a shop or any customer based jobs do you? They doing hard, manual work and they don't complain about it. I work in an office, i sit down most of the day, i have a brew when i want and i do a fair bit of work but people I work with still moan. These guys are working non-stop for the whole day with a couple of breaks and they just get on with it. Show me a Brit who is prepared to pick fruit and veg for eight hours a day? They won't do it because if they would be prepared to there wouldn't be such a demand for migrant workers. You all blame foreigners for everything when its the lazy brits you need to be angry at.
Believes his own propaganda....wife paid her bill yet ?
He is a stupid man. Yesterday, I was talking to a young lady in my local who was eating her lunch. I got there for coffee in the mornings and to read some of the newspapers. She works behind the bar. I said Are you on your lunch hour, Daisy? She said no we do not get one of those here. I said how long are you working today and she said from 10am until 11pm. And that is on just over £6.00 an hour. She is English. But most of the people I see working there are not. And they work these long hours as the pay is so crap. But I do not think that it is right as it is against Health and Safety to not have a lunch break. And all the pubs are doing it now. No lunch. And crap money. So when Mr Belcrow comes out with this nonsense may be he would like to go work in a pub all day and not get a lunch break. He has basically no clue what is going on in his own country.
Iyou don't k ow what you are talking about, you and your stupid wife represent the worst in this country. Have you ever done hard physical labour. Iguessnot, and as for your wife,well words fail me. I have two hardworking grandchildren aged18 and 22. I suggest you do a weeks work ononstruction, and cycle four miles each and e dry day, there and back in all weathers. How dare you pass judgment.
Golly, what a twit, but that's tories for you. Still, when I claw back all that fuel allowance from rich, fat pensioners, we'll be in clover for evermore.
The gypsies we have around here in central london work very hard at begging, stealing and messing up our beautiful parks. Work hard indeed.
He wouldn't know a hard days work if it slapped him in the face. Cheeky git. VOTE UKIP.
The duty of government is to encourage it's own people to work. not find it easier to import the labour from other nations.
John Bercow and his wife have at least one thing in common. They both open their mouths before engaging their brains. I doubt John Bercow has ever done or is likely to do a hard days work in his life.
Bercow is just trying to excuse what has been done to the British people over the last sixty years, by talking up the 'benefits' of immigration. He is a true example of our ruling political elite, contemptuous of the ordinary person in the street and convinced of his own wonderfulness.
This odious little dwarf and his equally odious and vacuous wife are a disgrace to their country. The several million hardworking Britons who really keep this country up and running have been under attack from traitorous parasites like bercow for too long who, like the bulk of our political class, seem incapable of visiting foreign countries without rubbishing their own and its inhabitants. He should be removed from his post and ideally publically flogged.
Vote UKIP and free our country!
You should ask all the british construction workers who have to clean up the errors of these Europeans. Health & Safety means nothing to them, but of course its still our fault if something goes wrong.
I may be controversial here, but Hey, it's what I have seen first hand! When the first wave of workers came over from Poland, the experience at my company was that Yes, they worked very hard and were very willing. However, increasingly, we have found that as each new "wave" arrives, they are far less hard working - lazy, in some cases - and also very insolent, moody and prone to insubordination. Since there is hard evidence how much money is sent "back home", whilst they pay tax, etc., one has to question just how much money stays within the UK economy, unlike with UK nationals who both live and work in the UK. Another example: the hairdresser my wife goes to is staffed largely by Eastern Europeans. One guy, who my wife thought was a very good hairdresser, was only there for a couple of months. When she asked why he left so quickly, the salon owner said he had come to the UK mainly for NHS treatment and had now "gone home"!!!
How does he know?
He going to get away with what he has said while the immigration madness continues. Nothing's going to change.
Two points, Who paid for this trip to go to the Romanian parliament, British taxpayer is my guess. and when Mr Berkow states that media coverage did not reflect the views of parliament, that's is not what is at stake here, it's the view of the other sixty five million other people in the country that count.
What a pair of clowns Berkow and his wayward spouse. They would not know what hard work was.
"Some are.................but what about the crime wave that came with it? What about the cost to the NHS, to housing and Schools. This dwarf needs to go home and get dominated by his idiot wife.- Keith , Midlands" - Nice one - Total agreement.
His kind of right.
Reply to Ted 1078.......... what has football / soccer got to do with the article about John Bercow ?
The voters in his constituency had a chance to get rid of him and vote in Farage. What a message that would have sent to the political establishment that despise us. Instead the idiots voted LibLabCon as usual.
then we should replace our MPs with eastern Europeans as well, maybe they would work a full year for less wages and give value for money
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out! - Walter, Stuttgart, Germany, 5/6/2013 3:25 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++You are a complete moron !!!!
What has happened to the House of Commons Speakers, first we have Glasgow Mick then Bercow both political appointments and traded between Conservatives and Labour. For to long its been a faux pas in the higher circles to believe in your Country.
Ok then Berk-ow let some Eastern European chap do YOUR job on the gravy train. Got to be cheaper and more dignified than your train wreck of a wife.
He was obviously referring to himself.
What a silly little man with a silly little view of the world. We are no worse and in many cases better than any other workers in the world. He should stick to sorting his own house out before commenting in such general terms on the people who provide him with work although sitting in a chair all day is stretching the concept.
The poison dwarf of British politics. Gutless leadership now leaves GB facing a tsunami of Romanian and Bulgarian unemployed, with the EU stating they will be entitled to all benefits.
The guy is an idiot but sometimes idiots, even unwittingly, tell the truth. Eastern Europeans are hard workers and their kids will be totally integrated UK citizens. Can we say that about all our immigrants, including the non-EU ones which are Britains sole responsibility?
words fail me ,this man is lower than a snakes belly
What a generalistic comment, don't tar everyone with the same brush Bercow you idiot, I have worked for 31 years with the prospect of another 20 years in fromt of me. Don;t you dare tell me I don;t work hard !
Has this parasite ever done a proper day's work in his life? Typical of our traitor politicians, doing their best to talk down our country and displace the natives with mass immigration.
Its up to the voters in Buckingham to vote him out please, please vote him out
Oh, for those calling this man a Tory, he actually has Labour sympathies. They are all as bad as each other, nowadays.
You only have to look at what is being spent on welfare benefits I rest my case on that British are lazy
Why don't we get a Migrant in as Speaker then and kick him out of his cushy number. How can any MP dare to criticise the British worker from their subsidised palace. Why is he going round visiting Romania anyway? What must the Romanians think of us when he turns up toadying around them.
I have worked with a lot of migrants half were even more lazy than the brits and the other half were just trying to get a years work in so they could claim off the state and work cash in hand!!
well in a way he's right because when I used to get kids coming on work experience they were a night mare that was when they finally arrived, everything was too much trouble to do, they kept saying they wouldn't work for the minimum wage and all they wanted to was mess about on their mobiles, in the end I told my employers I didn't want any more of them.
I have thought for years that the british government both labour and tories, along with quangos and those people who do surveys whether we are being charged too much and find we never are [but we know we are] dislike, infact hate the british people. this has now been confirmed.
So the jobs go to migrants and the benefits are collected by the British. Sounds logical.
I do not have a problem with people from eastern Europe they do not blow us up on Busses Planes and Trains as others do who we are not to talk about as we may offend them.
I find this type of statement from our so called politicians (who by the way are accountable to the BRITISH people) very annoying and frustrating as I spent 40 years working in various industries in the UK and can honestly say that all my British working collegues always went that extra mile to achieve results so Bercow don't lable us hard working Brits as a bunch of scivers!
What a very silly man. Time he went. Perhaps he should try getting a job on minimum wage nowadays, when there is so much competition from these migrants. Politicians don't understand just how bad the impact is for most people from migrants, because they don't live in the real world. There are companies out there who will only take on migrants, and this kind of talk just encourages discrimination. Time someone stood up for the UK man in the street!
2 milllion Brits are forever looking for a job.Eastern-Europeans come and get a job within days.How comes?
Not harder workers,Cheaper workers is what he meant to say.
Why do this countries Politicians hate it's people so much¿ if wasn¿t for 'people' like Bercow and mass immigration the true British wouldn¿t be so disenfranchised.  
resign!! just resign !!
Okay posh boy, lets have a migrant doing your cushy job, we all know they'll do a better job than you.
Typical leftie communist, out to destroy our country, him and his revolting wife make a right pair!
Insults and ridicule! That's a sure fire way to win the populace over, not. Just who is this idiot working for? I agree with you John Graham, Hailey 8:06 I too would like to see the evidence of economic prosperity immigration has supposedly brought here.
The slimey backstabbing arrogant multifaceted twit. I work hard, my colleagues work hard. We pay our taxes to keep him in his grace and favour abode. The very OVERPAID imbecile!!!!!
There is no doubt that an Eastern European Speaker would be preferable to our present one. Come to think of it, anybody would be an improvement on Mr Twerp!
He is right. All you right ring moaners should take a leaf out these hard working people and get a job yourselves instead of leaving your comments on here. The Eastern Europeans are hard working and law abiding. So it's fine for us to moan but still have holiday homes all over Europe, no wonder most other countries don't like us. Idiots who have narrow minded opinions about immigrants are the same idiots that give the rest of us a bad name, I am glad they are here if you don't like it live somewhere else instead. Deal with it, they are here to stay.
Because the wages are cheaper and they send most of their money back home to build a future there not here and hardly speak a word of English, oh and while we are at it, is there not a case on this very page involving three women from a hospital who cruelly treated patience, they came from overseas....Yes there is Mr Berk .Ps and yes there are the few overseas people that do work hard in this country...We are overloaded with people ..pps yes and there are also a lot of lazy brits ..
This is a severe kick in the teeth to all British born workers who have been priced out of a job..........!
And EVERYONE in work, rergardless of their origins, works harder than you do you parasitic, useless little pr***.
...and he works at what exactly?
After a long line of respectable and dignified House Speakers - but typical of the downward trend in respectability at Westminster overall - the mould was broken when the admirable Betty Boothroyd retired. Her successors, first Martin and now Bercow, have brought the high office of Speaker into disrepute and shame. That Bercow has a vulgar, attention-seeking wife in tow, drags it down even further.
This man is as thick a plank as his wife and I agree with alyjas of Wakefield - wouldn't know hard work if it jumped up (doesn't need to be far) and bit him on the behind. Try telling this to the people of Boston (Lincs) who now feel outsiders in their own town.
Shouldn't Bercow have taken a tip from the actions of Silly Sally and keep his stupid thoughts to himself. The British are sick of being insulted by the likes of this man, only in his position because of a puerile act from Labour who knew the Conservatives did not want him. That is the sort of juvenile idiots who make our laws. Yes, Cameron should have got rid of him, but when Cameron do the right thing ?
What does he know about hard work, probably thinks manual labour is a Spaniard.
Harder working than him maybe !
I work in hospitality and can hand on heart say the Eastern Europeans ARE the hardest workers. I just don't know if the same applies elsewhere!
Honestly this guy is a complete buffoon, how he is voted as a representation of a constituency is beyond me. He is a true representation of what is wrong with politicians.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34----------------------------------and for us Brits it reads....I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their backsides in some pub drinking ale all day, while watching football. They are a drain on society,blah blah blah zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz- Jock Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States
Reveals the true attitude of the ruling classes. We ordinary folk should let people walk over us with boots on and then apologise for getting in the way.
you live on £6 a hr and see what you think, you plonker
Mr Bercow could do himself a great service if only he would keep his mouth shut.
The total scant regard of the British people by our so called Political elite staggers me at times. They are so out of touch and will not listen to the consensus that they are not fit for purpose
Some are.................but what about the crime wave that came with it? What about the cost to the NHS, to housing and Schools. This dwarf needs to go home and get dominated by his idiot wife.
The country haven't seen any benefit from him or his wife just debt.
He and his wife are the most odious pair and should both disappear to Eastern Europe if that is his opinion. Some of the ones already here are pick pocketing in towns and cities, mugging, etc. Try reading the papers idiot.
Yes let's get some foreign politicians because our lot are useless lazy idiots
you want to look at yourself your job is not that hard none of you Tories have had a job in your lives
This speaker has always been a problem in his Job, he should not be airing his views and should be TOTALLY NEUTRAL. How can this man possibly give fair assessment in parliament when he is not totally impartial. He should be replaced, not just becaus eof this but because this is one of many immoral acts that this man (and his wife) has performed over the years. HE THINKS HE IS UNTOUCHABLE as the speaker. Lets get him sorted out. As Nigel Farage says, he is a disgrace to the British People.
so this means he puts all Brits in the same category???? I am NOT workshy and never have been and have also worked with eastern Europeans a lot and yes they do work hard but no more than what I do. its all good and well making a statement like this but he should have got his facts right first. I agree a lot of Brits are work shy but so are the Europeans coming over to claim benefits that I YES ME and other hard working brits pay for.
take his job off of him and give it to sn eastern European
Yes that may be true because a lot of the immigrants are less obese, taller, fitter and living as single guys over here with no mortgage to pay. It's like a holiday job for them and they live in groups mostly men behaving badly and a lot partying at night and wooing all the females they can find. They work excessively and at speed because their families are back home mostly and nothing to rush home for at the end of the working day. I admire the work ethic and their fitness but they are making our employment problems worse and our own unemployed get daily more depressed and more out of condition. A relative of mine recently took a minimum wage job after 5 months unemployed and found he could not get any help with his private rent and it was a month before he got paid! This pitches single workers into debt right away..there is no fnancial assistance until they have been unemployed for 6 months..strange philosophy to penalise people for getting a job sooner rather than later?
Yes folks, vote for any of the Lib/Lab Contrick parties and what you get is Monster Screaming Raving Loony notions.
Harder workers or not, they do work hard overall. In my experience of working in an increasingly Eastern European workplace, I found them hard working and prepared to put in extra hours most other employees would shy away from. On top of a full time job most would quite often have a second job, or be studying at college, usually English. I think it was a very sweeping and unnecessary statement to make, but some of these migrants are more hardworking than English born citizens. I'm not saying all are as honest as the ones I've come across, but then again, some British play the welfare system too.
Well with a name like Bercow - he would say that, wouldn't he? When did he drop the Z in his name?
They are LAZY
Thank you , for acknowledging hard work, Sir. Most of the time these so called ''immigrants'' get work is because the lax lazy white boys and gals who DM will like to lable as''our people'' do not want to work...be honest Bless all serve all.......We are all one in this universe requiring each others help and guidance at all times Amen
He's a talentless fool, and his wife's a talentless fool!!!
Yeah - well come and live down my road then. And see the benefits of MASS immigration first hand. Live life like I have to, and then you will surely see the error of what you have said. Just another out of touch politician who's stupid comments do not reflect the average person on the street. OF COURSE you think its good, you have not been touched by the negatives of mass immigration like the rest of us. Just another politician showing how out of touch he is with the rest of us.
Because its impossible to find work for most Britons due to migrants. If you took away people who weren't born in the UK, unemployment would steadily increase. You just need to look at Australia to realise. Red Arrow me, but it's the truth.
Romanian parliament didnt we see them camping out in the middle of london recently
Why would you choose to empty Portable Toilets, clean-up after Festival, Race-goers and the weekend spewers when you can sit back and watch those with a work ethic doing these jobs? Just a pity that the DM finds this odious man worthy of a quote.
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It is obvious that all he is wanting to do is cause some deflection from his wife's shenanigans. This is a man who was put in this position by liebour, whose wife is a liebour supporter, and a person who would say anything to ensure he got his name into print. Papers should just ignore him he is a little man trying to fill a big office and failing. It is a fervent hope of mine that come the General Election on May 7th 2015 he fails to get enough votes and forfeits his deposit.
Total BS. I have lived in Poland for some time and from what I have seen here, most of them wouldn't have lasted a day at the places where I used to work. Even other Poles comment on how slow most Manuel workers are here. In the local news paper they even had a series of articles taking the 'P' out of some workers who were putting in new sewer pipes, because the job was going so slowly they even included pictures of them standing around doing nothing. And let's not mention the attitude of service staff, although I have seen some improvement in this area.
What chance has this country got when its own politicians are against there own people? Solution vote UKIP
What he means is they work for half the pay,which makes the employers happy.And then Brits cant get a job.Then the same politicians call them lazy.
Who was paying for this visit to Bucharest - presumably the British taxpayer? Why on earth was he visiting the Romanian parliament and in what way could it possibly be relevant to his job?
This is incorrect. Some people work hard, others do not. It varies from person to person. It has nothing to do with nationality. The fact that we have so many, many foreign based criminal enterprises across our nation shows the weakness in system.
What would this pompous idiot know about ordinary life peering down on the plebs from his ivory tower
Oh and i have been pitted against E Europeans for the last 20 years and not one has been faster than me
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
Can Romania keep him
For the last 4 years I have worked as a self employed financial agent working on a commission basis only - the company is desperate for new agents to date no Eastern European has applied ,is it because they can not work HARD enough on a commission only basis?
Oh my god shut up you stupid man. It doesn't effect you in your posh house on your posh street. Try living in east London when you are the only English speaking person on a full bus. Feels great..
What and overbearing, pompous, obnoxious, fool. If he thinks that all Eastern Europeans are hard workers he is sadly deluded. The Eastern Europeans that will go to Britain will be the ones that can't and won't get a job and just live off benefits. They have very little or no recognized skills and are renowned for poor quality workmanship. Birk-cow should be graising in a field with the rest of his bovine friends. I know for a fact that most of the people that left the Czech Republic for Britain are gypsies and the word WORK is not in their vocabulary.
What a cheek this man has. We have a right to a break whilst working, it is something that we British fought for. I think if Mr Bercow thinks the Eastern Europeans work harder he should get himself into one of the many kitchen's in one of the many restaurants in London, they work 18 hour days running 5 or more consecutively this is something the Eastern Europeans can not cope with and many leave. Mr Bercow "ORDER ORDER" now that is a difficult job !
What right does someone in USA have to comment on how the British work!! nyc USA!!!
If there is any honour left in Parliament (and thAt's doubtful), THIS FOOL MUST BE SACKED, AND FORCED TO JOIN THE (LAZY?) UNEMPLOYED, AND THEN GIVEN A JOB TO SUIT HIS CHARACTER (ANY SUGGESTIONS WHAT THIS SHOULD BE?) Bobby, Leicester........How about one of the 7 dwarves in a Christmas pantomime and his gobby wife as an usherette.
That's because a fair chunck of brits would rather sit at home and claim benefits than actually go and do a hard days graft for low wages, no pride and no work ethic- jestaudio , birmingham, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 08:03 Of course, to your mind, this couldn't possibly apply to any immigrant, could it? Oh no, there are no unemployed immigrants in this country, just as there is no cheap labour taking the place of Britons (and making them unemployed) who have to survive at our high cost of living. Oh no, that couldn't be the case because well off people who employ them for peanuts keep telling us how wonderful they are.
hahaha not all britons, some yes. Especially anyone in government who lets face it, are only slightly above our feckless scroungers in terms of how much (or little) they contribute.
What on earth is Berkow doing in Romania in the first place? The role of Speaker is to oversee the workings of the House of Commons - in London, England! He is NOT a branch of the Foreign Office. If his comments have a grain of truth, it is because Socialsim (as espoused by his missus) has provided a life of ease for the feckless, which many have been happy to exploit. Remove the Benefits and you would be amazed how many would be willing to work hard if starvation beckoned!
Bercow's words merely reflect the agenda of the politicial class, they hold the British people in contempt, while milking us dry, they tell us we are lazy, racist, and traduce us at every opportunity. They are using mass immigration, cultural replacement and social engineering to replace us with a nation more in keeping with their Frankfurt School inspired agenda.
IDIOT!! It has had NO benefit at all! These people are used to working for low wages, in line with their countries lower costs of living! All it has done for British people is drive the wages even lower than they were before!
Around %30 of the ones i know are drug dealers
This man and his wife are a disgrace to British life. I don't know how he keeps his job. Every MP should vote to sack him, not to mention his assistant.
Does anybody care, or believe what this absolute wally says? He and his wife should get out of Westminster, and find proper jobs like everyone else has to. Complete and utter idiots, both of them.
I expect they are harder workers than John Bercow & his wife.
Partly true but a mainly deluded man. Look who he married.
.Its not soccer, its football you ignorant fool. If you're going to comment in a Brit paper at least be courteous enough to get the terminology right. - Semolina Pilchard, Liverpool, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 7:48 For all you out there who love to complain when Americans, and certain others, call ¿Football¿, ¿Soccer¿, you should know that it was the British that invented the word and it was also one of the first names of what we now primarily know of as ¿Football¿. In fact, in the early days of the sport among the upper echelons of British society, the proper term for the sport was ¿Soccer¿. Not only that, but the sport being referred to as ¿Soccer¿ preceded the first recorded instance of it being called by the singular word ¿Football¿ by about 18 years. This happening when it became more popular with the middle and lower class. When that happened, the term ¿Football¿ gradually began dominating over ¿Soccer¿ and the then official name ¿Association Football¿.
I have no problem whatsoever with skilled English speaking migrants coming to this country from anywhere. The classic Polish builder is a well known example of how hard working and talented they can be. What I do have a problem with is the government not having a clue who is here, letting anyone and everyone squander our NHS rescources and finally, having to allow thousand of migrants in who have no skills and don't speak the language. Anyone listening to Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning???
What a plonker...I used to buy into the mantra of the lazy British worker until I lived in France....now they really are lazy....British workers are generally hard working and if you want a job done properly 9 times out of 10 it behoves you to have a Brit worker. This little worm Bercow needs to go, he is an embarrassment and an ignorant jumped up nobody!
Did not make a success in their own countries ,same people
Red arrow me as much as you want but he is right migrants are harder workers than british workers!
Jock strap, Greenwich Village, NYC, United States. The Americans think its their birthright to own a house at any cost and look at the fine mess that created economically around the world People in glass houses and all that!
Is he not the same person who has a nanny working for him that is paid by a taxpayer. If he can't clean his shoes on his own he shouldn't criticise others. What does Mr Speaker do in his job besides sit like a dummy in parliament?
There is a certain truth in what he says - ask any cabbage farmer in East Anglia BUT, he is still an idiot!
He was probably comparing them to his wife!
Having advertised for a job well above minimum wage and not getting a single response from the thousands of our own Brits without a job..... I'd say I agree
Berkow with his dippy wife are a couple of complete idiots - time to go!!!
Lock him up
Remarkable how patriotic our leaders are. How moral and incorruptible. How hard-working and competent. We plebs are truly blessed.
What would he know about hard work.
New World Order goes marching forwards and upwards!
he has more days off then a pregnant duck himself but he is British too so that explains why he took the easy way
That is probably because the EU and our government have emotionally battered the British people into NON SELF BELIEF - Don't they get it - it is them that make us feel useless by not listening to a word we say and take our point of view into consideration - they just bulldoze their way through and disrespect us as a nation. Who would want to work for a so called boss as that.
why doesn't he live next door to them idiot. shut up.
What's up Bercow, need to take the floodlight of exposure off your wife. If you are so disloyal to your countrymen you should not be in your present job. 7 May 2015, the day you get your P45.
This man as no moral sense. Like the last Speaker he is self self and self. He should be drummed out of this role. Maybe he has one working for him and his wife in the grace and favour accommodation that we have too pay out for. Maybe after getting Mugged-Pickpockted or Burgled by one or the other Eastern Countries immigrants he'll change his feeble deluded mind. ANYTHING TO PUT DOWN THE HARD WORKED OVERTAXED BRITS.
every job they take is one less for brits that are allowed to stay on benefits
More rubbishing of the British Workforce by the Political Elite, before EU expansion the crops did not rot in the fields the Supermarket shelves were stacked, the houses and extension were built. If Bercow is so keen on Eastern Europe why did he have his original name Bercowitz anglisised to Bercow, never in a million years could John Bercowitz become an English Gentleman. _ Vote UKIP
Perhaps his wife would like to "tweet" her views as well?
Why do we forget so easily? These poor folk in Eastern Europe were signed over to Stalin by Churchill on a piece of paper after WW2. We abandoned them all. While they suffered decades of living in fear & oppression & we grew fat, wealthy & arrogant, believing we were the saviours of the world! They did not choose to be born there, that's a lottery of life people, just as they did not choose the regime they suffered under. Why should they not want to search for a better life? We are all human beings, none better than the other. When we begin to truly appreciate this amazing gift of life, then we may appreciate each other, our planet and it's amazing gifts rather than treating it as our larder and creating unnecessary conflict. It is easy to condemn, far harder to understand ...those lucky enough in the lottery of life to be born in the UK should feel very grateful & understand, not vilify, those that were not. Understand just how fortunate you are & the majority of those born are not ..
How can this be when it pushes up unemployment, a strain on our NHS system, housing, prisons etc. How ridiculous. We can do without idiots such as him.
When will this oink be fired? He is a waste of the air he breathes. The less we hear from him & his wife the better. If he ends up in the lords it will be an absolute disgrace.
you have my vote ,Sir.
The truth hurts does it not?
What a naive cosseted little man he is, look at them all in Westminster where every thing is subsidised in the restaurants and canteens plus a gold plated pension to boot, they live in shangri - lar compared to us everyday folk
Bercow must be talking about MP's !!
Further to my last post (if it gets posted) is the quote from David Rockefeller at the Bilderberg meeting in 1991.... Quote: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years." He went on to explain: "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." -- David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle
Says he who has 13 weeks holiday a year at the tax payers expense.
This guy is a gold plated fake and it becomes apparent whenever he opens his mouth.
all the parties are the same voice of this moronic man. thats why I will now and forever be voting the only party for the working brit.
I can only speak from my personal experience. They did my loft conversion for me about five years ago. I've not had any complain about the quality of their work. For about two months that the work took, they without fail, reported for duty at 08:00 am everyday. and it was done for three quarter of the price quoted by their British counterparts. Having said this, others might have a different experience.
Didn't we have 13 years of labour trying to justify imports?
There are migrants and there are migrants. Many work but many are parasites on the benefit system. Does he think that the hate preachers are good hardworking citizens ? - and they are just the tip of the ice-berg. The man needs putting out in the garden where he belongs.
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
Little weed should and supposed to keep is little mouth shut!!!
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." NO Mr Bercrow but they do reflect the views of the British polulation, and we now have it from your mouth that Parliment does not respect the wishes of it's people. Time to vote UKIP
I have a good friend that gets up at 2.30am every morning........milks over 300 cows..........then works on other tasks until 4.00 pm most days.........He is owed over 15 weeks holiday pay because not even the Polish can do his job so he has to be there............and yes surprisingly Mr Bercow he is English........yes English........
Who would listen to that self serving parasite.
the foolish man has committed political suicide,
Go away odious little man
He may be right, but what is in no doubt is that my counties police most wanted list of around 80 villains is 75% foreign, and every week in the local paper the court round up is a third foreign, both way higher than the foreign population percentage.
Speaking as someone who has employed both migrants and British workers out on the farm, this is technically true, as time and time again I found that locals could get the same money from the DSS for doing nothing as I could pay them for working. No brainer really, cut benefits and force locals to go out into the fields picking fruit and veg, only then can we ditch the migrants.
What our governing idiots have really achieved is to make us look like slavers - they are encouraging the uneducated and poor to come here and work for low wages, live in God awful conditions usually under the heavy hand of their own kinsmen or are given all kinds of benefits free when they have not paid anything towards it and we are depicted as lazy louts who live on benefits. Then they have the nerve to preach to us about OUR shortcomings from a position of so called power leaching off others and living the high life.
he must be sacked,TODAY.
How would the poisoned dwarf know, his experience of British workers is fellow MP¿s?
How would he know? He's never been in a real job and never lived in the real world unlike the rest of us. I suggest he gets out and about in towns and cities around the UK and see the reality of immigration.
If there is any honour left in Parliament (and thAt's doubtful), THIS FOOL MUST BE SACKED, AND FORCED TO JOIN THE (LAZY?) UNEMPLOYED, AND THEN GIVEN A JOB TO SUIT HIS CHARACTER (ANY SUGGESTIONS WHAT THIS SHOULD BE?) Bobby, Leicester
Obviously the sign of a man with limited intelligence, insult the good hard working people who are paying your wages. How nice of you Mr Bercow.
NO THEY ARE NOT. They are given the jobs because they are cheaper. Boycott all companies and shops who employ them. Hit these companies where it hurts. Their POCKETS. - Devine , London, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 07:48++++++First and foremost, we do have shirkers, as do many other Countries. However, as you rightly point out, they are used as cheap Labour over the indigenous workforce. MP's, and others who voice off, saying the British are workshy are well aware of the "cheap Labour" aspect but for some reason continue to shout it from the rooftops. This to me is trying to justify their ultimate goal of De-Nationalising, not only our Country but others as well. The Bilderberg group is assembling here in a couple of days. One can only wonder what their agenda for the future of all Countries are. The Words of one of its members "Rockefeller" spelt it out perfectly......their aim in his words is for a one world Government.....Far fetched? check it out.
I am an Englishman who like most others of my generation, have worked and paid taxes for over 55 years, to end up paying people like him to run our country. I find him very offensive and distasteful. If he thinks migration is so great why does he not do the popular thing and migrate to E. Europe, that would get 'my vote'.
Odious little traitor. Remember who pays your wages, expenses and and nanny Bercow. WHY HAS HE BEEN LET OUT OF THE COUNTRY?
He's right. You don't see many English on the bus's a 6 in the morning off to clean our hospitals.
There can be no country in the History of the World where politicians like we are saddled with in the UK have consistently failed to put the interests of their own people first.
British people are not busy at pick pocketing talk about our elected idiots hating us!
I have spent a lifetime putting incentive schemes into British manufacturing and I am sick to death of ill-informed people like Bercow running down British workers. I have found them to respond readily to new systems of working and apply themselves to the task in hand. When Bercow and his ilk give value for money instead of milking the system then maybe he can give lectures - until then, button it !
Time to go BIRKow
Well when it comes to work I have to agree.The East Europeans are much hard worker than British and also they work for much less. But still fairly I have to say the British people deserve the job places first and then the immigrants! But they have to make a go for it and not only sits at home on benefits!!! 80% of Blairs and Browns generation people ( kids) are at home on benefits instead of looking for work!!!
What a prat! Yes if they r robbing our streets!!
because the pounds worth more in their country than ours so when they send it home to their families or save it to buy property or businesses back home it's like they've been paid double what a low wage Brit would get. stop bashing brits it's getting boring. vote ukip if your a Brit on a low wage competing with foreigners. ukip don't brit bash
So the British get it in the neck again regarding being workshy? I think we are all tired of getting put down by our politicians when they travel abroad and yet most of the British army are drawn from the same working class and praised to the hilt. The labour market has been dumbed down so that the likes of the politicians in London can have cheap carers, hotel workers, nannies, builders etc to keep them in the luxury they want but cannot really afford with British workers who did not want to see their living standards eroded. These people such as Bercow are Traitors to the British working class. The class system in this country is the root of all evil. Here we have a publicly paid (by us through our taxes) demeaning the British working class of this country in another country. What some people want are "slaves". People want a certain standard of living in all social stratas of society and woe betide anybody that doesnt understand that one especially the politicians in Britain.
Err theres plenty of eastern europeans claiming our benefits too and at least they are keeping our police force in jobs
And that is why our prisons are filled with them. People trafficking is on the up and the streets arent safe. Nice one!
I'm sure if he said Romanians were less hard working...he would be called a racist...but it's ok to keep knocking the Brits !
Maybe we should replace the government with Eastern Europeans as they will work harder.
It's dishonest and misguided to speak for a nation of people who you clearly don't know.. Perhaps he is speaking from personal experience, in which case he seems to be admitting that he's bone idle. I'm sick of these stupid blanket statements about lazy Brits.. Why are we constantly talking down the country? Yes, immigration is good.. For driving down wages and driving up house prices.. Brilliant.
So why not elect several of them as MP`s and the countries problems will be solved in a jiffy?
Pint sized pratt.
Suggest he and his wife get a one-way ticket, out.
What an idiot this man and his wife keep proving them selfs to be...who pays his wages..????
And the people in "Skint" are harder workers than you, Bercow.
Well, the way the country has gone down the pan during the past thirty years proved that John Bercow and all those who have served in the mother of parliaments have been complete failures, They are seen and have been watched by journalists and the people who have proved that MPs are bone idle, liars and cheats in every sphere of public life! Hard work begins with leaders at the top, if people see those leaders are bone idle then it reflects on society..
To Quote Helen below: "What would Bercow know. The Eastern Eurpeons work hard. Drain the country more like. Vote UKIP." *****What would the average DM reader know?*****
lets be honest eastern europeans want to work, people like the philpotts etc want to claim dole, its a fact and useless trying to say it isn't. that shouldn't mean we have let in so many though, its ridiculous
That sums it up : pay the migrants 7 £ / hour on a 6 month temp contract and charge customers 65 £ / hr.
He certainly have the enemy within and it's in Government all on sides we are being attacked its disgrafull!
If these economic migrants are good for Britain why can't they be good for the country they come from? In my opinion when a country joins the EU, and its usually for economic development reasons, the EU should invest large amounts of money and develop a strategic development plan for that country so that work and acceptable benefits are made available to the workforce and unemployed. This would help to stop the mass migration to developed countries.
Never forget that it was Labour who put this pompous ignorant man into such an important post.
You know what, I agree with him. Too many British people moan about them but if they're hard working what's the problem?
Well they certainly have a better work ethic than you Berky. When are you going to do the honourable thing and resign?
Bercow vs Farage. Who's right? I don't know and neither does anyone else here. None of us is in position to know. We have only our prejudices and biases to inform us.
Very poor judgement (again) - it simply is not his role as speaker to voice an opinion. Having done so it has only shown that as well as lacking in physical stature he is also sadly gravely lacking in intellectual stature as well. Why, oh why are there so many political pygmies in parliament???
As a 61 year old who has been in continuous employment since 1967 I resent these remarks. Let's see how this relates to votes in the next election.
Yeah, there are great advantages to hiring immigrants, like paying a pittance, not bothering to pay National Insurance contributions and knowing you'll get away with it because your workers likely don't know employment law. The natives won't tolerate it, that's why they're so "lazy".
That rule will apply to most migrants everywhere. They want citizenship and are prepared to do the unpleasant and cheap jobs. Then when that's achieved they want quality of life same as the citizens. Long-term I guess an aim in rich societies will be for it's citizens to work less hours if their job is hated.
WHAT an absolute PRATT!!! ......He and his "wife" should stay together , they both make ARSES of themselves....he should be removed from his position in the house of commons!!! where you are supposed to represent and speak for the BRITISH PEOPLE!
What would any MP know about hard work, especially Bercow? It would make you laugh if only their sloth, stupidity and greed were not so flaunted.
Sorry but I'm afraid he has a point - they are prepared, indeed happy, to do the jobs a lot of British citizens turn their noses up at. Yes, there are some who take advantage of the benefits system and are involved in crime, but this is a minority and let's face it, there are plenty of British who behave in a similar fashion. The difference is that the Eastern Europeans seem to generally have a much better work ethic than a certain sector of British society who prefer to claim benefits and watch Jeremy Kyle than get off their backsides and work for a living.
I agree with you but I still can't stand your wife !
His comments make me so mad. I have worked since leaving college in 1983. I am extremely hard working, like all of my colleagues and friends, working additional hours most weeks without recompense or recognition. How dare these people, who get 3 months recess in the summer (!!!!!!!!) and several other such recesses throughout the year criticise the British public, accusing them of a lack of commitment and poor work ethic. It really angers me. I know more people who work hard than don't. Politicians need to remember that they work for us and stop these ridiculous sweeping statements that just make them look idiotic and uninformed. I'm so angry. Off to work now........
How would he know. Has he ever met any of these workers, or does he simply believe all he reads in The Daily Mail Comments. He should resign as a Member of Parliament for that comment. Or perhaps he still believes that Labour are for the Working Man. So long as the Working Man is anything but British.
I wonder - is there any chance that we could populate the House of Commons with people who actually represent and support the people of BRITAIN, and not by odious little puppets like bercow?
All they have done is driven down prices so tradesman in this country can't live! This man lives in a bubble on crazy amounts of money dished out by you and me. Can we have some real people in politics not these crooks please!
If that's the case then we should get a few hundred Eastern Europeans in to parliament to do the politicians jobs.
why the hell do people have to talk about work or lose benefits THERE ARE NO JOBS half a million mostly part time jobs or full time managers jobs for nearly three million unemployed and with school college and uni leavers this month that number will swell unless they are lucky enough to get some training as a no job at the end of it apprentice at £2.65 AN HOUR ...MAYBE IF THERE WERE NOT SO MANY IMMIGRANTS THERE WOULD BE MORE JOBS TO GO ROUND .SEEMS TO ME THIS COUNTRY SPEND TO MUCH TIME THINKING ABOUT OTHERS INSTEAD OF THERE OWN
Perhaps their MPs are more honest than ours too?
Work - this pig ignorant man doesn't know the meaning of the word.
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out! - Walter, Stuttgart, Germany, 5/6/2013 3:25>>>>>He does not hate Europe just the EU and what it is doing to Europe! As for his track record in the EU Parliament it seems that applies to all EU MEPs I have never ever seen more than a third of the seats occupied...at least he stands up and speaks out, unlike others!
Bercow,you are a disgrace.
Lets get a migrant as the new speaker then , he surely can't be any worse and hopefully wont have a publicity obssessed missus either.......
Charge the Parasite with Treason
Why on earth does this idiot imagine anyone is interested in his opinion.
The Eastern Europeans usually are great workers but so are the Brits, and I would ask , where is his evidence that this wave of immigrants has brought with it economic success to the country? However we can see and experience the damage it has done to our social structure in the country, services are struggling to cope, Education, Hospitals, social housing, together with some rather nasty violent crimes. I wish the immigrants had never come, it has changed my country. Politicians sold my birthright for a mess of potage
they get a better deal. free health care, benefits for themselves and partners, and a home.
Ive worked full time since I left school at 16. I even relocated from my home in North London to the west midlands (on my own at the age of 21) for a new job. how the hell do people like him get such high profile/paying jobs. absolute MORON.
has he been listening to his wife again with her fetish for itinerant!?!?! The Burk & the Cow!
Now we can see who are selling us out to the Eu, the very people supposedly there to protect our way of life and culture the politicians. It's long past the time when these Europhile traitors are removed, they have caused enough damage to our country. Bercow by name Burke by nature.
He represents the British people but makes comments that are racist against us. He is a disgrace and should not be allowed to represent us.
What planet are these people from???????
If they are so good then we better put them in the Houses of Parliament as MPs & a new speaker! Berco can come work in the real world were you have to pay for your lifestyle instead off freeloading!
Yes some immigrants may be hard working but what about all the immigrants who just come over to claim benefits
This presents a dilemma for the right wing - He's praising hard workers over layabouts / those with no work ethic / those with the handout mentality. That would normally be 'advantage - hard workers'. BUT, the comparison is pitting British born against foreign immigrants, which is always 'advantage - British'. Do they choose to praise a foreigner, or defend the work-shy?
I suppose he made these comments to draw public attention away from his silly workshy wife and her inane twittering. I wonder what his unemployed constituents think about his lauding of foreign workers who just possibly, might be taking jobs that they could do.
This bloke is repugnant.
Stop making excuses for the poor immigration mess! They are 'hard' workers because on the side they soak the benefit system whilst sending money back home.
Keep diggin' that hole, LibLabCon.
Perhaps Bercow should remember this saying, ".Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt".
When they take the job of a Brit of course they are working harder, because the Brit is now unemployed. - The Red Arrow King , London, 05/6/2013 05:36..................... That's because a fair chunck of brits would rather sit at home and claim benefits than actually go and do a hard days graft for low wages, no pride and no work ethic
What would Bercow know. The Eastern Eurpeons work hard. Drain the country more like. Vote UKIP.
Depends which migrants you are talking about.
Bercow should be put in the coal mines; totally obnoxious little squirt
Given that there are seven billion on the planet there is bound to be some people who work longer than we do, but that is no reason at all to bring them in to our borders and so dispossess the people. The only quality there people value in humanity is propensity for slavery.
Well lazy MP's jobs aren't threaten by Eastern-Europeans so they say what they like and keep lying. They ok with selling our utilities and companies to foreigners, our jobs going to foreigners since their jobs are not threaten and feel comfortable and secured. As for Eastern-Europeans working harder? pleaseeee they only work cheaper.
The average (or even below average) immigrant has benefitted this country more than Berkow has, but that's not difficult. UKIP UKIP UKIP!
As an employer, I have said the same thing myself before, although the DM chose not to post it. In my experience migrant workers have a much better work ethic than British workers who I have found to be lazy and I'm sure the migrant workers are doing the jobs that British workers wouldn't lower themselves to do. Why should they? There's always the dole.
Another m0r0n that needs to go
TRAITORUS LITTLE PILLOCK
Well the influx created by his Government has certainly kept the Police busy!
harder working than the British DO you think that is because they have a job and the British do not due to the influx of migrants
We should have seasonal migrants who come here and help with harvest and unless they pass the English test, do not preach hate, and come with means, I don't mind them here. Not those who commit crimes on the motorway to scam insurance companies, or kill their loved ones, or cannot speak the language! We don't want any more translation on the council list...
True there are some slackers in society. but I blame past governments for breading the benefits culture. now we have a situation where wages have been driven down by cheap foreign workers housing prices driven up by immigrants. public services drained by immigrants. care for me to carry on J B!.. lets not forget how this wil affect pensions for the future....I work 70 hours a week to suport my family..what do you do you tory muppet...about time you and your wife climbed back under the rock you both slithered out from......VIVA LA UKIP!
Thats why the prisons are full of them!!!
Hard working builder £10 per hour with no teabreaks, turns up every day and job done on time or Brit builder £25/30 per hour, teabreak every hour, unsighted for days and job still unfinished on the time agreed. Bit of a no brainer really isn't it....
Well this is "rich" coming from him, he who belongs to the oldest "old boys network" in the country, when are the people of this country going to get wise ? just take a look at how many failed politicians are elevated to the upper house, ( most of them we don't hear much about, until something happens,ie" Jack Cunningham) the "kwangos" are also filled with either failed politicians, or their various friends. So next time one of them has the "nerve" to comment on our work ethic, just remember the above.....
Well why not give your local village up to these hard working immigrants them? There's a load more on the way from Rumania to choose from. Or better still, just ride off in to the sunset with with your other idea of a wonderful person...The wife!
This must be the only country in the world where it's own Government puts it's own people down. What must the world think of us? when you get Cameron Osborn now Bercow putting us down. Mass migration to a small country is not good no matter how you disguise it.
F H sad britain ;; get your facts right he is a blairite through and through not a tory in fact he is so anti tory it shows every time he opens his mouth and as for his wife the least said the better as i could be locked up for what i might say ,it looks like he his after something to help pay for her huge court case bill unless her tv(ahem) friend will help pay the money
Obnoxious man. What does he know about hard work? How about cutting back on the amount of low paid immigrants coming to this country and actually give our kids a chance of a job!
Yeah because he has such s hard job he would know what hard work is. Just another example of an overpaid civil servant laughing at the common taxpayer.
I agree - they're out in all weather selling the Big Issue just so they can become self-employed and claim benefits. Invaluable contribution to British society!
Rubbish! I knew a time when the british worked very hard for the pittance that they got. The british worker just got sick and tired of fatcats stuffing their pockets at the employees expense. Even though fatcats are more prevalent today as was then, there is now another "employer" in the ball game. This employer known as "Welfare" is benevolent and has been allowed to be taken advantage of on laws made by the policymakers. Change the system, change the laws and encourage employers to pay people for a fair days work.
do you know what Farage was spot on with his comment, but he should have said the Bercow's were a disgrace to the nation. John Bercow should be removed from office as he has shown a definite bias and has therefore undermined the neutrality of the post of Speaker
Runt
Like it or not he is right. That's why the factories, take aways and strawberry fields are full of them. Us Brits would rather sit at home on the dole than do a dead end job with very low pay- catman, Nottingham, 5/6/2013 4:07>>>>>>>>>>>>Us Brits! speak for yourself! Myself and my family have and do work hard, we fortunately have never had to claimed from the state, unlike some who through circumstance need to! My daughter travels over 4 hours a day to get to and from work, as I am sure many others do also. That statement is no better than that ignorant little mans!
Now we are expected to take cognisance of what this stupid little burke says. What does he know about work? Hasn't done a day's work in his life. No wonder the public think we are governed by gormless out of touch idiots when they spout rubbish like this!
I see Bercow is,was sorry, is a Merchant Banker.
Now there`s a man who needs to get a proper job.
Of course they work harder , that's why their own country is doing so well! Hey wait a min. John Berk - worst speaker ever - would sell his grandmother for a fiver
He knows this because they are at his home cleaning, washing, mowing, cooking and dusting.
How much has it cost the British tax payer for this latest jolly by Bercow ? He's a complete and utter disgrace. When his fellow MP's voted him to speaker it should have been clear to everyone that there was never any intention of cleaning up their act. Treacherous little man.
Typical of the wishy washy, London centric,Liberal softy, elite that are doing their best to destroy this nation and hand it over to the EU.
RACIST!! how dare he say that about british people.
If he had said the opposite; He would be charged with Racism and sacked! He is a ant-English hater and should be charged with a Race Hate Crime!!!
Didn't Peter Mandleson recently say about government, we actively went out to get foreign workers while making it HARDER FOR BRITISH TO GET EMPLOTMENT (Daily Mail 14/05/2013) Apart from that, what does an overpaid expences for anything and everything politician know about WORK ???
I'm not sure they actually work harder. They do seem to work more hours and days but I believe this is to earn more money relatively because of the low wages they receive. I know many migrant workers and nearly all are being paid less than the minimum hourly rate, so they work all hours they can
And exactly what would JB know about working hard - Order, Order Blah, Blah, Blah!!
The Lib/Lab/Con actively working against you for decades but still millions of you vote for them - incredible.
So, if that's true and you keep employing migrants because they "work harder", what are you going to do with the British working population? A recipe for disaster! A good and healthy society is not all about getting the cheapest labour to make the maximum of profit. What businesses are saving the state has to make up for.
I know generalisations are dangerous but From my own observations of service industry (hotels) Eastern Europeans in particular Polish workers in the 20-30 age group have a stronger work ethic, better attitude and are much less likely to complain about a hard days work than British kids in the same age group.
Racist - has somebody reported him to the police?
Coming from a man who has never done a hard days honest work in his life I find his remarks quite fatuous. He and his wife need to engage their brains prior to opening there big mouths.
Pompous little man. He should be removed from his post. He is not fit to hold it.
Mr Bercow has an awfully big mouth for such a small man.
He is an idiot of a man - as evidenced by his choice of wife - but he is probably correct because most foreign workers I meet have a better work ethic and far superior inter-personal skills than the home grown undeducated dross that we are turning out. Instead of looking for work most of them spend their time trying to AVOID it whilst claiming every single allowance they can con out of the useless departments responsible.
And what would he know about work?
What a complete prat this bloke is!
Coming from a pompous little parasite his comments only serve to confirm the thinking in that den of thieves.
This is incorrect and an insult to the hard working British , which I have been a part of since 1977!!!!!!! This coming from someone who gets paid for mouthing off in the House of Parliament !!!
NO THEY ARE NOT. They are given the jobs because they are cheaper. Boycott all companies and shops who employ them. Hit these companies where it hurts. Their POCKETS.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 ...................................................................................................................................................Its not soccer, its football you ignorant fool. If you're going to comment in a Brit paper at least be courteous enough to get the terminology right. Also these friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens ofE. European. Are these the same ones that your country treated with suspicion for the entire Cold War period and would have happily annihilated?
How would the poison dwarf know that,when has he ever been near any kind of workplace and if it's true,he should blame his own Beneftits and Scroungers party for that state of affairs,Labour just adore the bone stinking idle.Is Socialist Sal looking for work..................................thought not.
I suggest you speak to your wife, she knows the penalty for talking crap!!!
Why are people being given column space in the media like BERCow making comments like this and stopping our kids getting jobs here,is it to justify the disgusting immigration policies of this govt and its predecessors,when will they admit they got it badly wrong and it will take a long time to put things right,Mr BERCow wants to get his house in order!!!
FH,Sad Britain......................oh how wrong you are,little berk may be a member of the Tory party but he's a "posh boy" Socialist to the core.Oh but didn't you know that?..........Some Socialists are very posh indeed.
He says it like it is.
Miners, steelworkers, ship builders. Toughest jobs in the world. What happened to them Bercow? Before anyone criticises the Britsh, we did happen to be the work shop of the world. Give us our proper jobs back and we will work.
Yeah because 6.08 quid an hour is a fortune for them! No one can make a decent living in the UK on that min wage. Come to Aus 11 quid an hour min wage and same living costs plus penalty rate weekends.
If this man speaks for the Conservative Party ? then they want voting out of Power. This country is short of Houses, the NHS is on its back due to Migrants. I bet the social Benefits is also out of control. I walk down Town and it is like living in another Country, the 3 main Parties have really put us in a right mess.
FH,Sad Britain......................oh how wrong you are,little berk may be a member of the Tory party but he's a "posh boy" Socialist to the core.Oh but didn't you know that?..........Some Socialists are very posh indeed.
If these migrants insisted on the minimum wage they would not even get a job.
If that was true then why doesn't their country prosper more, they have to come to the UK to find work and take the jobs of the people from them.
Perhaps if our welfare system hadn't made it profitable to be work shy, our own younger generation would be more hard working! But those that do work, work hard and generally for very little recognition of their efforts! This stupid little man needs to go back to his big chair and be quiet. There are lots of things wrong with this country, a lot of it created and perpetuated by parliament ... So wind your neck in bercow!
All the Romanian professional beggars at Marble Arch are certainly hard working !
He's right! You Brits are just bone idle!!!
They are great at fraud and robbing houses and scams!
As usual a poltician doesn't understand the worries about immigration. It's all about NUMBERS ! Our tiny island is full up,bursting at the seams,and it's not fair nor reasonable to keep on trying to cram more people in. That's the real concern as people see that our schools,hospitals,housing,transport systems,infra-scructure and so on,all struggled to cope with what they have to do 20 odd years ago. In your house,how many extra people can you allow in before the overcrowding gets unbearable ? Nothing to do with how hard working they are-why do the left always ignore this simple fact regarding immigration.I don't enjoy living crammed like a sardine.
how would that little twit know they are tinkers and thieves that should never be here there way of life is diferent to us he is a privelaged idiot who we just feed so is his very quiet wife
Bercow's never done a honest days work in his life!! So how can this little nasty man make a comment like this ????
stop judging us by you standards you lazy man, get up and go and get a real job on real money we cant all go to work ,get a massive pay packet and fiddle our expenses and rip off every tax payer, squirt.
How long till we can get rid of him and his vile wife ?.
His wife is clearly not the only member of that family to spout nonsense.
They might work harder than he does, or his cronies.
Ironic that all the british workers problems were caused by politicians such as this imbecile. I can tell you after several years experience employing both British and foreign workers. There is very little in it. When the europeans first come they work hard, but in our benefit ridden something for nothing system they very very quickly learn to assimilate and learn how impossible it can be to dismiss them. If i have the choice I always take British. Unfortunately I can't specify at the jobcentre even that they should have an understanding of spoken English.(wheres the Health & safety when you need them)
If migrants are harder workers than the British then let us replace all the MPs with Eastern European migrants. Oh sorry that won't happen will it because you will be out of paid employment (note: I did not say work as MPs don't work).
Who on earth is operating this Muppet he must be getting tired.
How would the poison dwarf know that,when has he ever been near any kind of workplace and if it's true,he should blame his own Beneftits and Scroungers party for that state of affairs,Labour just adore the bone stinking idle.Is Socialist Sal looking for work..................................thought not.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 Tell you what, we will send them all over to you in the good ole USA, so that they can take your jobs for less than minimum wage, claim benefits as they are getting paid cash in hand and be a drain on your free health system, oh yeah you don't have one!
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 You obviously need a few Eastern Europeans, and as your own economy is in a total mess you really have nothing to say. Oh, I know, start a war, that would kickstart it.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34 Eh? I think you are confusing 'the British' with 'the post-1997 British benefits underclass created by NuLabour'. There is a big difference- they don't represent the majority population, and they certainly don't represent me or any of my family or any of my husband's family ( who all work and are all British on all sides going back at least 7 generations, according to my teetotal, retired after 40 years of primary school teaching, family History-obsessed, old mum). But you wouldn't know that, not living here.
What a load of rubbish, crawl back in your hole...
Civil war anybody???
He might be right about Poles who are generally very hard working. However they only form a small proportion of overall immigration. A substantial proportion of immigrants have neither the motivation, ability or incentive to work and w.
He is absolutely right, a lot of youngsters in this country don't like hard work, they all want to be pop stars.
So John Bercow thinks Eastern Europeans have a better work ethic does he. Then lets put it into practice, perhaps he should replace his wife with a Pole and perhaps we should replace the speaker with a Czech!
now, why isn't that racist against british people? - we have very little rights and protection, clearly
All he and his weird looking wife seem to do, is to claim politicians benefits.
Why you guys just admit it he is so damn right!!!!! Those jobs the romanians have are the jobs you brits dont want !! Is so difficult to comprehand or what???
I despise the ground that the bercow creature walks on. I really, really, hate everything about him
Well, my sister and I were born and raised in the UK. You won't get two more conscientious and hard-working people than us. This man is a prat.
The fact that a lot of them do not mind sleeping 20 to a room and sharing one meal might have some bearing on the economics of it !!!!
Migrants don't work harder than us, they just work for peanuts to keep the government with their cushty salaries/bonuses and pensions which is easier for them than paying a qualified, hard working brit..........there is a difference !!!!!
Racism, pure and simple. Nobody would dare say that about any other race and get away with it.
The hard working British taxpayer will be keeping lots of these Eastern Europeans in Benefits and housing. The government has already annoyed the people who voted for them last time and Bercow is doing it again. Bercow and his wife do more damage to the image of our Parliament on a weekly basis than anyone else so he shouldn't slag offf the workers that pay to keep him in luxury. UKIP are laughing at these idiots.
Bercow is Barking Mad. These Eastern Europeans are not needed or wanted, everywhere we go people are talking about what is happening in England,we are losing control, We have been invaded by a mass of foreign speaking people taking jobs that should be done by the unemployed,
deluded. living in a bubble
He is a complete gentleman's sausage!
what qualifies this odious showman to talk about work.
thats nice,move over let them have your job
Perhaps he would like to give up his seat to an immigrant then?
How do these twits get elected in the first place? I'm sure the long term unemployed don't vote for them!
you'd think that family would have learnt to keep their big traps shut by now
Those that do work, work hard to prove they should be here and that is fine. It's the ones that come here and don't work, expect to receive benefits, housing and the use of our NHS and/or bring their criminal ways here with them, that we all have issues with. Why do the government think that everything is rosy in garden England as far as immigration goes?
Catman, Nottingham, Who died and made you the mouthpiece for all Brits - you may speak for yourself, the rest of us have our own thoughts about lots of different issues. Not that our governments have spent much time listening to us - they don't bother because the real government is in the EU. Our government was cut off at the knees some time ago. As someone else has pointed out, if these people are the 'hard' workers they are cracked up to be, how come they had no impact on the economics of their home countries. This is why those countries want us to pay the highest rates of benefits, even to children who are not resident - we are their cash cow. Before anyone says that millions are being paid out in benefits to Brits across EUrope, I would say I sincerely doubt that. Successive governments used the benefits system to keep people quiet while they finished the dismantling of Britains industrial past - the unskilled working class don't have another country to run back to.
This comment from a man who has probably never done a true day's work in his life and like most MP's live of the publics back
To even begin rebuilding this country we must start by removing these odious people from OUR Parliament. Ever wonder why he was chosen as speaker by MP's? Now you know.
GET RID, of Berc and the eastern europeans!!
NO THEY HAVEN'T. They've taken our jobs, housing and placed an untenable strain on all our resources. Bercow is an idiot.
Silly little sausage.
The statement by Bercow has no basis or truth in it at all. There isn't enough space to write why he is wrong; Its another throwaway comment by another out of touch politician; His own job (speaker) Order; Order Order. Is it really a job lol ... and what's a briton ?. We are either English; Welsh or Scottish; British is the collective name to mask our national identity. Which would change if Scotland left the Union. And then maybe a parliament that looked after its English voters represented by and for the English. then so called Brits could stop rubbishing their own and stick to facts.
But what about housing, they are tearing up the countryside because our population is exploding, largely because of mass immigration.
Bercows liking for foreign workers has more to do with low wages and their being easy to sack.
This is very true and all the politicians know this fact. John Bercow has just hit the nail on the spot. I am not surprised at those criticising him on here because those who tell the truth are no longer popular in Britain. Watch Jeremy Kyle show and you will see what is befalling this country. Your red arrow won't change the fact.
were working hard to keep them out of the uk
Yep and a pig has just flew past my window! No doubt on a tax payers freebie. Once again a sweeping statement reflecting how out of though this man like most other MPs are. Stupid stupid little man.
shut up you fool, you mean there harder workers than mp's get in the real world you plonker
How utterly insulting- he clearly does not know this country at all. Either that or he is confusing being 'harder working' with being 'willing to live in illegal, overcrowded, Victorian slum-like squalor and work for a well sub-minimum wage pittance in (by what used to be British standards, pre- EU enlargement) dreadful conditions, because it's marginally better than what we've left behind'. Which makes him none too bright and not fit for his office. Both my husband and I work harder for longer hours and less money than we ever have because of the mess that is the EU- and unlike the 'immigrants' near us, we feel obliged to provide a decent home, clothing and nutrition for our children out of it. No chance of an annual summer holiday or the odd extra little treat like we used to have as kids though. So, how do we go about sacking Bercow? And the majority of the rest of the greedy, out of touch 'I'm alright Jack' wasters in Parliament- since it seems that's all there is left to do now.
Well the outside helpers have proved in the Middel East and the east Germans have proved to the West Germany that they are and can work better as these natives may take the work load as " We have these so why sorry " I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA An aptitude of contentment needs more push then the IT and need more pat on the back with cash . Pay that you have work done .
So..Job sorted. Replace 'ALL' our overpaid underworked politicians with migrants who'll work for minimum wage.
When did he last work with anyone let alone Migrant s And lets face it that's what they come for work
Reuben Camara Morecambe.... you and how many others I wonder, they are an absolute PITA, and certainly don't benefit the likes of us!
some of their are thieves and murders so would sit in nicely in this country .............yes I suppose their do work harder than us .............
Take no notice ,it's just small talk
And he knows this from his part-time job in Greggs?
I think they are all traitors to their own Countries, why don`t they work and build up their own Countries..I bet they sit on their asses when they were home..They just want to come here for our already built up services, that our own people worked hard for over the years..Why don`t they go and build their own.
Now if one high profile member of a party says it, you could say he doesn't represent the views of his party. Lets face it in all political parties you have individuals like that. However, the conservative party has form for the kind of views about British people Bercow is speaking about. Several conservative members of parliament ,have said similar including Boris Johnson ,you have the chancellor labeling our unemployed as 'shirkers'.There are millions unemployed in this country,as they all 'shirkers'? We all know why british employers prefer foreign workers and it has nothing to do with hard work but because they can pay them less for more hours. That is it. Can I just say ,if anyone votes conservative after we have been repeatedly insulted by members of that party, they deserve all they get. That also includes the Labour party who are responsible also for the mess this country is in. The only way to teach them all a lesson is to vote for UKIP in huge numbers .
How does one know this? If you don't employ someone you'll never know how hard-working they may be. Most immigrant workers will do the jobs the rest don't (in his opinion), because although they are low wages for those of us born and bred here, they are high for those from poorer countries. .
Well lazy MP's jobs aren't threaten by Eastern-Europeans so they say what they like and keep lying. They ok with selling our utilities and companies to foreigners, our jobs going to foreigners since their jobs are not threaten and feel comfortable and secured. As for Eastern-Europeans working harder? pleaseeee they only work cheaper than Brits.
ooofftttt has this guy got a masochistic streak?
They are just taking jobs that the British are to lazy or unqualified to have.
No, Migrants suck up the low pay and send it all back to their relatives at home for them to live like kings, while Britains are stepped on by their government!
Certainly harder workers than our Members of Parliament!
That's not true there are lazy ones as well tell stupid Bercow to get out in the real world and have a look
British people are lazier. I own a business and trying to get a Brit out of bed at 3am is extremely hard. All of my workers are foreign, they come on time, work harder and will never complain. It's true I'm afraid.
Well they should do your job then
"Migrants are harder workers than Britons"? Bet he wouldn't dare say, "Britons are harder workers than migrants" even if he believed that were the case. He'd be prosecuted by the anti-racism lobby.
The sooner the British people march on London and kick these M.P's out of office the sooner we can put this country right.
Migrants move to Britain because their countries are poor despite they're hard working, and lazy British made a strong economy and a great nation... seems legit.
What chance for us Brits when the political mouth pieces keep kicking us into the gutter,one thing for sure bet the rims haven't got big trap wife's. like the one he's hooked up with
During my working week I visit several different types of company. This view of the foreign workers is one that I hear repeatedly from the different employers.
I'm with Farage on this Bercow is a Disgrace....what specialist knowledge does he have anyway.
Bercow,you are a berk....- end of.
If his statement is true, then it only goes to show that "Britiain" isn't the British people any more. For the likes of the vast majority of us born and bred here, we see lower wages, harder-to-get jobs, declining terms and conditions, less perks, and poorer public services which we've funded over many years via our NI contributions. No prizes for who gets every available handout having paid naff all into the system, and from pretty soon after arrival at that. There's no need to be an "illegal" - the system favours the front door entry over everything else - from the immigrant point of view.
Perhaps he should come and meet the gangs of Polish men who sit drinking in my local park all day!
He is correct. Romanians can have the lead off a church roof in hours when it would take a Brit days to complete the job.
They might harder workers, but some of them are thieves as well.
Brits are lazy no wonder nothing is produced in this country just take a look at BRICS nations and our German friends. How many of you drive a German car
Bercow the Birdbrain - what a complete idiot. He has no understanding of the damage caused to the country's infrastructure by the mass immigration policies
How many of these hard worker have discovered the benefit system like the self employed east european Roma Gypsies selling the big issue and claiming tax credits, child benefit, housing benefit, paying no tax at all but being a net drain on our benefit system
I have been saying for many years that majority of MP's are the enemy of the British people. they would rather have immigrants in the Country rather than the indigenous population. Let's ensure that in 2015 they are the enemy of the British people and vote them out.
What have the British people done to have their Government hating them so much. Even if the Eastern Europeans do work harder, they don't integrate with the British society, they clog up the hospitals, doctors surgeries, and the general feeling of being overcrowded in the UK , then send there money home, so just who benefits, yes just them not the British. Britain just ends up with alien societies living their lives separately.
Pip squeak? no right to make any comment?
I wonder if he would say that if his job was going to someone from Eastern Europe
I bet he hasn't got any living next door to him. There's eight living in one two bedroom house on our street. It's a nightmare. For this little jumpt up man to come out that statement. I can see now him and his wife are a good match. UKIP take the up the reins
I can guarantee that when the flood gates open at the end of the year you will see full scale riots across the UK.
Romanian beggars are turning up everywhere how is this good for our economy letting all them in ? Look what opening our doors has done our Nhs is on its knees it can't handle all these extra people. Edinburgh royal hospital opened a new maternity unit..... 1st 6 babies born were polish.
Lets put it this way, you get offered a job that pays at least four times what you'll ever earn at home and people wonder why they work like mad to keep that position?? And as in many cases they are working for less than what is the usual salary for that job, politicians can't see why employers are keen to employ???
UKIP!
How many times do little men with who appear to have an inferiority complex open their mouths showing that not much comes out of their mouths or trousers ? get a proper job Johnny and learn about the real world that most of us live in.
Rude, ignorant, lazy, hen pecked fool.
Your comments:all very well but we are overcrowded. Why not relocate our long term unemployed to Romania etc where their benefits would give them a better standard of life.
Minimum wage to these people is a fortune back home. I'd work my fingers to the bone too,if I got paid 2 or 3 times what I could earn at home.
Right, so he said that the views of the press dont reflect the views of parliament or government. So presumably the views of ordinary people are of no consequence at all. That pretty much sums up the disgraceful situation we find ourselves in. There is no longer any democracy.
Yet another one in his westminster bubble who hasn't got a clue what effect immigration has on towns and city's across Britain. These people are supposed to be intelligent.
And because every person running this country would have enough money to be comfortable to retire tomorrow THEY JUST DON'T CARE.
Just what has he and wife contributed to the country ???
They may come with this ethos but soon learn like many of our own that claiming benefits is a very good idea and then things start to change. Also I hope this constituents who work bl.... hard give him a really big kick in the butt next time they vote and put a UKIP MP in - they care about us who live here, work here and try and manage on little.
How do you own property and business within 3 years of arrival ? It's more to do with tax avoidance and sub letting social housing a well worn path.
Look out Bercow there's a Romanian bloke coming over, says he can do your job for a tenth of the money! He's also bringing 650 mates with him to take over the House of Commons. Next year it's 10,000 judges coming.
Bit of a generalisation. Is it racist?
its racism. If the leaders of a country treat all its long term residents like this, a new unbiased leadership should be chosen.
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
if they are so hard working, why are their own countries a dump , why are they not building up their own economies. its a joke, they come here for benefits and our jobs.. they live 10 to a room and send all their money home, they drain us dry....
There's more work in a glass eye than John Bercow- and the glass eye sees more too. He is supposed to be apolitical- but there you go- no surprises here.
If they are such hard workers, wouldn't it be more patriotic of them to perform their hard work back in their own countries ?
You notice the type of person who makes this kind of comment has never done a proper days work in their life.
just because they can clean his car for five quid, pay no tax and sleep 10 to a house does not male them better works.
Another talking head. He knows nothing of the real Britain.
Quisling dog .
Within the M25 I am not surprised the rest of the residents leave a lot to be desired.
Oh yes dimwit like the ones squatting in the West End drinking urinating and leaving filthy rubbish everywhere!You and your loud mouth dopey attention seeking wife should emigrate to Romania!
That's a racist remark and as a Briton, I object.
The speaker is supposed to be neutral but of course we all know that he only got the job because the labour politicians wanted their man in the job so he is only saying what Labour think.
Just another example of just out of touch our politicians are
Says the man sat in a chair!! Like most of our never worked politicians, he hasn't a clue what's going on, though it doesn't help that many of our political leaders are in the back pockets of big business. Immigrants are popular with our short sighted business leaders because they use them to force salaries down, (which then pushes people onto benefits, so how does that benefit 'sic' this country?). British staff are deliberately forced out of work and onto benefits, to be replaced by migrant workers who send most of their spare money home, so this country loses out all ways.
Why do the British Government hate their own people, I can't work it out. This would never be said in any other country in the world.
So says Parliament's biggest sponger.
His attitude is typical of the major 3 parties, they despise the British Worker and want to eradicate them. Vote UKIP.
No, they are willing to work for less, they don't work any harder.
We obviously need a few migrants in parliament then.
If the British electorate vote with their hearts instead of like sheep in 2015 and UKIP get their well deserved chance to put their tenets into fruition, hopefully one of the first things Nigel Farage does, after ridding us of the EU, the ECHR and closing our doors to the influx of unwanted immigrants from wherever, will be to kick this odious squirt into touch alongside his loud mouthed attention seeking wife. VOTE UKIP!
What does this man know about working hard. He closes Parliament 103 days a year.
This from a man who robs the tax payer left right and centre, all the immigrants have done is drive wages down. so dislike this horrible little man and his wife.
Well maybe we should select a migrant as speaker then.
So the poison dwarf rises from his Kiddie Seat to pontificate, sit down you little twerp, and keep quiet you biased little man.
They are not still peddling that old lie are they? I work in a large organisation where the work force is 80% Eastern European and I know that they are no better workers than British workers. We are the only country that promotes other countries workers above our own. It is about time M P's went out into society and found out what it is really like.
They might work harder when they first come here then once they are in the system they start to take advantage and work less. Nobody mentions the top ups the Goverment gives them on their wages that we all pay for, so it is a farce. This man should be held for treason vote UKIP.
If they are all better workers ............... resign and let them be in government perhaps we will get some work done then?????
John Who?
There is no excuse for such stupid remarks. Just go now, your position is no longer tenable.
If they are so hard working, why are the countries they come from such dumps bordering on third world standards and status, and just how was this country made into a 1st world country Mr. Bercow? You are insulting countless generations of British workers, perhaps Mr.Bercow you should take a real job and give us a demonstration and an example of real and sustained hard work.
How can someone so lazy and unintelligent, devoid of charm and charisma, with no visible political or social skills rise to Bercow's position to enjoy the 6 months vacations, the taxpayer funded salary, pension and perks. He is a disgrace to the government and an embarrassment to Britain. A 'man' with no shame!
And don't pay tax,NI car insurance , road tax so they know all they get is for them. Most are 'self employed ' and that is s fact
Why doesn't this sad little man just go away
we have these idiots who are politicians in britain talking about working, what does he know about graft he is nothing but a usless thieving mp. another anti britisness mp speaking lies.
So what is Mr Bercow's solution then? To allow endless EU migrants in, have all us lazy British claiming benefits as our work ethic is not as good. That sounds like a great solution Mr. Bercow OR you could just help demoralised, disillusioned young people and other British people get back to work and take pride in what they do. Voting UKIP :) Bring on 2015
WASP I love it I agree with your sentiments - Bash the Brits the sport of knaves, fools and traitors. Where else in the world can you come and live high off the hog on the British taxpayers and insult them at the same time? Come one, come all all free, courtesy of the LAZY Brit taxpayer. You couldn't make it up John Burcow the "Madhatter" from the "Alice In Wonderland" the nightmare that is these days Parliament.
Factually he's correct. Immigrants benefit the economy, are less likely to be unemployed, less likely to be on benefits (even though the DM tries to portray a different picture with its propaganda)
That comment is a bit rich coming from one of the laziest taxpayer funded servants in the country!!!!......maybe if we replaced him and his lot in parliament with some of his hard working migrants the country would not be in the mess it presently is!!!....and they would work for half the pay if not less!!!!!!
That is all very well Mr Speaker . How do we find room for them . How do we cope with the bigger number that will be needed of med care houses schools . I do not need to go through the list . You idiot of a man . Britain is the country the whole is trying to get into . BUT we do not have the flippen room . That's unless we start cutting down this green and lovely land .
Who does this guy think he is? My wife and I along with many other English people work hard. Why should we be forced to listen to the insulting remarks of this greedy disgusting little trough master? Sack him at once. This is another good reason for all you people out there to be voting UKIP.
Don't worry John, keep slogging away, only 5 weeks until the House of Commons two month summer recess.
All migrants not just the Eastern Europeans
Politicians are thick yes.My businesses in UK employ 337 people .263 are eastern Europe all speak English in the last 12 months they have had 27 sick days between them My English workers have had over 200 sick days,who would you employ
Pay a proper wage then. Out of touch idiot.
He is absolutely right Brits are lazy totally agree with him
I doubt whether any of the MP's know what a hard days work is. Let's face it, it is just a bit of spin, trying to garner the votes of immigrants because the Tories have blown it and are not going to get many from the born and bred.
I realise that immigrants from Eastern Europe have a stronger work ethic than the average British worker. How is that a benefit to this country? We used to have a strong work ethic but the Unions became too strong and forced those that wanted to work hard to slow down to the pace of the slowest, collective pay negotiations removed the need to show that a pay rise was deserved.It became a right that drove the manufacturers from this country, as did the inability to remove useless workers from the workforce. Just how long do you think it will take for the same to happen again, when the Polish branch of Unison go on strike and the food industry grinds to a halt, what then?? They can go back to their own country but we are left with the mess. I'll be gone by the time it happens but it will, watch the union space.
According to my Polish wife, British Politicians seem to despise British working people. I think she have have a point
Time to rid the British people of treacherous Parliament. Any other country would have reduced the place to cinders by now. Politicians have ruined my country, my people and our land.
Fire the man for spouting utter rubbish. when last did you work on a shop floor or a factory line - get out there and do it then see who woreks hard or not you unimportant little prig!
Humm bet you hands are softer than mine Bercow........ Regards A BRIT....
With his JOB I cannot see how John Bercow knows what work is never mind hard work, ubless fiddling expenses come into that catagory.
If are britons are so called lazy. Then are polotitions are the laziest people we have seen. Why don't you go for another holliday to france dqvid cameron. While hard working britons are movin lg to austrillia or canada for work
Sack him
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government". However he should remember that we elect them to represent "OUR" views - so he like "Call me Dave" Camoron should go. The majority of the British electorate think that the immigration from EU and elsewhere sanctioned by Bliar and his acolytes and continued by "Call me Dave" has caused an almost irreparable breakdown in the fabric of British society.
Out of touch, like his wife.
if they work harder why is there own country not top of the richest in europe,or do you mean they will work for less.
Having worked and managed Eastern European and British alongside each other I can fully agree with the man. British are lazy and want something for nothing.
When will our politicians learn! Not everything is about cheap labour!
Order! Order! All you critics!
Shut your mouth Bercow, you traitorous little man. You yourself haven't even done a day's work in your life.
As someone who has never done a real day's work in his life I'm sure this idiot is well qualified to make this sort of statement. Bercow is a digrace to the office of speaker but unfortunately he's pretty much what we've been getting since Betty Boothroyd left that office .
When was the last time he broke sweat then.
Wasn't Bercow in the Labour government the same people that made our young live on benefits, him and his woman make a good win double.
Well...what can you say? Nevertheless the good people of John's constituency will continue to vote for him. He's their sort of chap you see. Meanwhile let's hope UKIP put in a better show next time. Anybody but this upstart.
Pity the Foreigners cannot have a chance at this little jumped up idiots job.
What he means is that foreign workers will work for low pay... And really, is it a good idea to throw our own people on to the dole? Who pays for that? Why the poor British taxpayer - remembet most of these foreign workers won't be paying tax. Wake up England - Lets rid ourselves of these traitor politicians and EU quislings!
You only have to see them camped out in the middle of the road at Marble Arch to understand that Bercow is right!
I work 90 hrs a week only to have the lion's share of my money taken in tax/VAT. I suppose thats not working hard enough for you, is it Mr Bercow you swivel eyed loon!!?
Simply not true.
i suppose its one way of trying to negate a failed immigration policy
He is correct . So many Brits will take a " sickie" at the drop of a hat and try to do as little as possible at work
Well they certainly work harder than any MPs. But then so does everyone else.
how it should have read MIGRANTS ARE HARDER WORKERS THAN BRITONS MPS.
Fair enough if you comment on how hard working some of the immigrants are, then you also need to comment on how some of them are lazy and only here for the benefits this stupid country offers
John it depends what you mean by work. If you call sitting on a big fancy chair all day shouting meaningless rubbish at a bunch of cretins work, then you're probably right and should give your job to a Pole or a Pakistani.
Let us hear it.... Let's hear it!
From a man who has never actually worked a day in his life.
what job as this lazy bastard made a success of ,leave out spending taxpayers money tory plonker.
Everyone works harder than you John , maybe you should let them do your job for less money , then you can live off benefits , sounds fair to me hey John
Politician, hard work. Three words that should never mistakingly be put together, robbers and conmen now that's a different story.
Just another traitor in government....
And of course he has evidence of this. He wouldn't just be writing off a whole nation based on an opinion, would he?
There seems a trend to British Politicians - bring in policies that destroy British Industry - then tell the British that they are lazy because they won't work for less than 5 pounds an hour in a coffee shop .
Said the man that sits in a chair all day.
The Speaker' Speaks too much - Time to replace him AND his out spoken excuse for a wife !
Its a stupid remark valid or not for a M.P. to make it serves no purpose and just causes a bigger rift between migrates and U.K. workers.
I reckon there's a little bit of truth in this. How many of you readers would do menial labour without complaining? Or be happy that your kids are? Someone got to do it!
Don't we just love our honest, underpaid, hard working, patriotic and loyal politicians and their pearls of wisdom..............not!!!
This man lives in a ivory tower,,,,,,what does he know about the real world?????
The Bercows sounds like a Tv joke production, I hate politicians of his ilk, speaking against his own countrymen, creepy git, I wouldnt trust him with my dog
Delusional FOOL!
He's a parliamentarian. What would he know about work and commitment?
Bercow and his wife are a disgrace to the UK. Time for them both to go and retire on their big fat cat pensions.
What does the Speaker know, the Brits are only second to Italians when it comes to hard work!
It is true that Eastern Europeans have contributed a lot towards reducing the bills of "entitled" people.
Keeping on talking the British worker down and no- one will employ our youngsters.. who in my opinion as a manager are equal if not better than any foreign workers when given the crack at a real job ..
If that is the case then why don't we give the jobs of some of the MPs including Bercow to hard working immigrants?
And what would a "posh boy" tory like him know about hard work............................................ They only know how to cream off the backs of others....................................................
There's no difference, I work in transport, amongst poles Latvians etc, the only difference is they will always say yes, will you speed, yes! Work illegal hours, yes! Break tachograph & daily rest rules, yes! Have a second job when your supposed to be having your weekly rest, yes! If caught go home for 6 months to avoid the magistrates court, yes!
There is no real comparison with British workers and East European workers. British workers have an established background and work ethic, and a welfare safety net. The east europeans come mostly from communists states and suffered hardshiop. The chance to work means they want to make money and will work longer and harder. Its unfair to compare like for like. Also many have set up agencies that only employ their own. We are being undercut, and unfairly disadvantaged in so many ways having them here.An example is Fyffe factory in Coventry a british city. Polish workers were drafted in and became the majority and training was only in Polish. English workers were not allowed to be considered as they did not understand polish. So Bercow shut up and get the real facts. Im sure your wifes recents exploits mean you low on funds and probably using non british workers. However the British people have had enough of immigration, and finally somethings will be done about it at the next election
Amazing - coming from twit like him he thinks he has a real job.
Inconsequential twit, on a tax payer funded jolly. We may as well close parliament, they only rubber stamp laws passed in the EU.
BRING ON UKIP ,, get rid of fools like berkoff
Bercow you Idiot! Come and live and work the area I do, you wouldn't be saying this then.
Oh, on another jolly eh? What can he say to the Romanian Parliament that would convince me that it was worth all the expense of travelling there? Nothing 😞
So we adopt the failed Labour idea, instead of insisting that British workers work and work for fair wages or lose benefits, we import immigrants whose background is hardly or never checked, with all its consequences. Great policy!
What does he know about what is going on in the world of the UK working population?
Bercow commenting on the work ethic of the rest of us?? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Isn't that racist?
He' as useless as his wife then! Idiotic little man.
And I thought the wife was useless..............
Was that his wife talking ?
Its naive people like John Bercow that have helped destroy our country !
Well John, as you have never done a days proper work in your life, perhaps you should go and live there as you think they are so industrious. Some of it might rub off on you.
Just look what is happening to the NHS, Schools, housing, jobs, too many people coming in ,nobody wants to work as too much benefits are being paid.. Successive governments have killed industry like cars, steel aircraft and shipbuilding, where there was work apprenticeships and tradition. Britain is just sinking through years of incompetent government.
If he finds his fellow countymen so distasteful that he has to publicle denegrate them, the i wish he'd emigrate to his beloved Eastern Europe. I'm sue they'd welcome him with open arms I'm sure, until they got to know him that is. How dare he.
Why is it only positive things are allowed to be said about migrants.
For how much longer will they be content with working for minimum wage, though? Soon they'll get fed up and want a living wage.
How pathetic no race is better than another but the government likes to say this to justify there open door policy's and to keep there big business donors happy with a supply of cheap labour
The Tories have lost their way. I actually find it very sad - they are like an old loved one with dementia - they look like the old loved one, but they say frustrating things that don't make sense.
About as much common sense as his big mouth wife. You need to learn where your loyalty lies.
We always worked out butts off doing 50 hour weeks at maximum speed. I guess its just the managers and politicians who are lazy and blaming it all on the British public. Or perhaps its not in fact that what is bothering them. Perhaps they mean, "foreigners do hard work for almost no pay".
Oh Nigel, that's a flattering photo!
like he will know looking down from his Ivory Tower, stick to wearing your clown gown and presiding over a Circus
When they take the job of a Brit of course they are working harder, because the Brit is now unemployed.
The sick fruitcake needs to be sectioned.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression.
Last month it was Boris Johnson saying it, and now it's John Bercow - what is it with Tory MP's and their contempt for the British workforce? There's also a huge irony around any of our underworked and overpaid MP's lecturing us on who works hard and who doesn't.........
Of course they are. They have no idea that the House of Commons is going to rip them off every step of the way. This is why second generation immigrants are keen to get into politics. Look at the Miliband boys!
..... and it's very sad!
Your right john birdbrain I would say you have much more in common with the Romanians who like yourself work very hard at conning and robbing people and not even your own people like you and, you could fit under a snakes belly with a top hat on. You horrible little squirt.
A sweeping generalisation from a bitter man.
if these immigrants are so hard working why are they coming from the poorer and bankrupt countries
Mr B & his mob are doing a fine job of ensuring they are unelectable.
SOME of the migrants that have come are hard working but there are significantly more than do not work at all. Stop the benefits and see how many don't bother coming.
Liebours and the EUSSRs open borders policy has been so beneficial to our younger population. They have never had so much leisure time. This is because there are no jobs to help them develop a work ethic
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." No ! but the media refect the views of the majority of British people, what the hell he would know about work ethic would be an absolute revelation !!!
he is confusing harder workers for cheaper workers. if he is so enamoured by them, let him go represent their country, cos we dont need traitorous leaches like him here.
It's true- loudSpeakers can be a nuisance if not properly controlled...... Westminster Coucil should send round a chap with a decibel meter.
Speaks the man who has never done a hard days work in his life.
Stereotyping a race of people in any way is racist. To infer one race is superior to another in a particular trait puts us on a very sticky path. What you might say is that a person from a country with a low standard of living can move to a country with a better standard of living and if they then live in accommodation like we had in Victorian times (10 to a house) and they save up for a few years an amount of money that wouldn't even be enough for a deposit for a flat. They can then go back to their old country and buy their own home outright.
The truth hurts...he's right!
" in many cases they came with aptitudes and a commitment". The same ones that turned their own Countries into dumps?
.....and they will work for almost nothing, undercutting British workers, are easier to fire and, thereby, enrich further his wealthy mates ?
Might be harder working than an MP but that is a sweeping statement that I find very offensive but what would you expect from a labour MP
He would say that - his grandfather was from Romania ! What I would like to know is - what job - what actual work has Right Honourable John Bercow ever done ? Has he ever had a job -I mean a proper job, not all that councillor rubbish - since he left school in Finchley ? The fact that ones parents were hard-working doesn't mean that the offspring are necessarily hard-working . In my estimation he is like the rest of the politicians - interested only in what he can grab for himself, both in money and power .Statesmen who thought of their country and their people died out years ago.
If you don't know English, you work like a donkey, get paid peanuts. That's what migrants do and employers like it for getting it all done so cheaply.
This is coming from somebody who sits on his brains all day. Money for nothing screaming and shouting all day like kids in a playground and fiddling expenses makes my blood boil, and here I am 4.30am ready for work for just above the minimum pay grrrrrrrrrrrrr
A lot of the British don't get a chance to work, as the migrants will take a lower wage than the average Brtish worker, knowing that they will get all the top ups they need to send back home to their families, give the British worker a decent wage that pays more than the benefits they receive and they would soon prove that they can do a days work, no encouragement when they can getmore by sitting at home doing nothing.
How would you know, Mr Bercow? What do you base your comment on?
What he meant to say was, migrants do the same job for cheaper wages, in his mind, that makes them harder workers.
He makes as much sense as his wife, Silly Sally, he brings Parliament into disrepute!
They're trying to wind us up to distract us. What are they hiding?
Bercow is an idiot and fits in well to the government profile. Get rid of Bercow and would you know the difference. I do not think so.
Can we replace all our politicians then with these mythical harder working immigrants?
Yeah thanks for the slap in the face John. I worked 65 hours last week and when I receive my pay slip on Thursday you can bet that the parasites at HMRC have taken a healthy chunk out to pay towards foreign aid and migrant benefits and not to mention your over inflated wage and don't get me started on the ammount of national insurance I will pay though it takes over a week to see a doctor at my surgery and I have to pay a prescription charge for every single item on my prescription, the last one cost over £21. Yeah I'm really lazy John.
Perhaps some one should remind Bercow that Parliment and the Government are supposed to reflect the will of the people who generally want an end to this country's open door immigration policy. Just who the hell do people like Bercow think they are.
Yes maybe thay do have a better work ethic, but they also work for less money? As for the Media not reflecting the views of Government? Maybe because they reflect the views of the public, unlike the Parliament or the Government?
What a racist comment, I am highly offended by this little pipsqueak. He is racist and he's stereotyped the entire nation, surely this is inciting racial hatred and he should face prosecution. Pity he hasn't learned from his wife's example, don't go shouting your mouth off. Migrants do not work harder than me. I would like to see you come to a steelworks and work with molten metal at 1700 degrees c for 12 hours. You little racist poser.
All first-generation migrants work harder than the local indigenous population because they have to prove themselves a success. All the economic data supports this observation. Kennedy, London, United Kingdom, 4/6/2013 21:12 ------------- In Canada, 1st generation immigrants have to work harder. Because they have to learn the language if they don't know it, to pass the immigration tests and language standards. They have to find work, study, etc. They have to educate themselves in history and in knowledge that even most native-born Canadians don't know the answer to, to pass the citizenship test. BUT... here's the difference... they are actually "immigrants" and they HAVE to prove themselves. They are not like your EU citizens, who can waltz in and out of countries at will without any restrictions or standards. EU citizens don't HAVE to "prove themselves"-that's likely the problem. And "economic data"... is this because a lot of companies PREFERENTIALLY hire migrants over locals?
UK politicians are incompetent, lazy & stupid.
Words fail me with this idiot!
And whose fault is it. Not the government i suppose for giving so many handouts to people who do nothing and get something for nothing culture. You made it like this and soon immigrants will be the same.
Odious Turd!
What a sweeping statement. Really makes him look ignorant.
Harder workers, are they? Well the ones I see on street corners mooching around begging or selling the Big Issue sure aren't.
If Bercrow resigned we could afford to pay a few hundred more immigrants from our benefits system. Probably worth it if he goes away and takes his wife with him
He's right though.. and they're cheaper.
Like it or not he is right. That's why the factories, take aways and strawberry fields are full of them. Us Brits would rather sit at home on the dole than do a dead end job with very low pay
Well he's hardly going to criticize the shambolic immigration policy that his master, Blair, introduced, is he?
If this is the loyalty us Brits get from the speaker of the house is it any wonder we detest politicians?
Putting millions of British workers on the dole because they won't work for low wages - yes really good for Britain.
A politician commenting on anyone's work ethic borders on criminal.
Every time bercow opens his stupid mouth, UKIP pick up thousands of votes.
Mouthpiece!!!!!!!!!
This guy is a complete waste of space, albeit not much space.
Maybe he is looking to his wife for the basis of this comment, what exactly DOES she do again?
Very true.. The British are lazy workers and their work ethic is rubbish. They live in a celebrity and media driven society were their children only aspire to be famous rather than work hard for a living.. #britainisnotsoperfect
John Bercow: What planet do you live on? Not the same one as the ordinary British citizens.
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out!
John Berk-ow does not realise that Briton is the people. Many hard working Brits now benefit Australia, America and Canada. You the Politicians have created a welfare state which benefits the unemployable, the lazy or immigrants which can benefit from low paid employement because they GET cheap social housing.
Bercow has nothing to offer Britain except his expense account and his wife's twitter feed. Sign of the times that the man is in office.
Let the truth be told. John Bercow is right. His only mistake is to say the truth in a country that hates the truth and loves the unreal. Migrants work harder than the British. Red arrows please.
In Tower Hamlets according to a 2012 APPG Inquiry, commissioned by the borough into Ethnic Minority, Unemployment in the borough it found 62.% of Bangladeshes women to.be economically inactive, 75.3% of Bangladeshis are living in a household receiving benefits. 67% of Somalis in Tower Hamlets to be not literature in their own language, let alone English. I am not aware of some huge unfulfilled gap in the Labour market which requires an influx of unskilled labour migrants to fill. Does.anyone.else ? this needs to stop Positive immigration of skilled, qualified, educated, entrepreneurial or independently wealthy individuals no matter where they are from is a privilege for the UK and should be encouraged.
The tired, worn out cliché of the "hard working immigrant". The same nauseating cliché is heard in Canada and US. The illegals are "very hardworking", new Canadians are "very hardworking". Then answer this...if they're so hardworking, how come they can't fix up their own countries? Instead of pouring into ours? The reality is that they don't know about employment standards and employment laws and will work overtime without proper pay. They also work for cash and don't pay taxes. And there's one thing that employers love and it's employees that don't have minds of their own and just follow orders. These politicians don't have to compete with immigrants for work or housing.
"great advantages for Britain" - Yes, I am pretty sure they haven't had the catch22 situation of sending their child to the local school. You have two choices in my area. Either your child doesn't get a placement because there are too many immigrants in the area or they DO get a placement but are held back because most of the kids don't speak English. There are some nice friendly "hard working" migrants in my area.... however there are also a huge amount of freeloading, scamming nasty pieces of work as well. A well paid politician doesn't see these people though.
Another traitor to the British people..Are you forgetting some thing Bercow, it is our Country, how dare you insult us..Obviously you are looking for a job on the panel of the EU mafia..
Problem I have with Bercow is deciding who is the worse egotistical idiot him or his wife.
A lot of them live in shared rooms,have no intention of settling permanently here,they just send the money home. So they can live on minimum wage,indigenous (is that word wacist now?) British have mortages and families to support,so can't survive on minimum pay.
This same boring line trotted out again...
The Speaker is surely bound by rules which do not allow him to make public statements like that surely? It is an offensive remark aimed at the very people he is supposed to work for. He should be sacked.
It's not because they work harder, its because they're cheap!
Hi! Bercow , on your next trip next trip to planet Ork please say "Nanu, Nanu" to Mork and Mindy from me!
Not a fair statement especially from a speaker of the BRITISH House of Commons: many Brits (including myself) are now elsewhere and we're working very very hard! Yes East Europeans can be hardworking, but so can Brits!
And the benefits are, high unemployment, prisons over loaded, NHS and schools at breaking point, high costs in translators,no tax or insurance paid due to low wages, housing, child tax and benefit costs, the only winners are the rich businesses who exploit these people
I think you mean its been a great benefit to the employers who have been able to pay minimum wage and below. 5 adults or more sharing a house rent and bills will always be able to work for less than the average Brit with is mortgage and 2 kids. Exactly how as it benefitted the country when the majority of their earnings are being sent back to their own countries along with the governments contribution of child benefits for children not even in this country and that might not even exist, and the money that is spent in this country is spent in Eastern mini marts that still ends up also going back to the home country. Then we have free schooling free health care system that is now under incredible strain with the uncontrolled influx of people, also not forgetting the bad apples that come along with the intentions of crime as they know Britain is a soft touch, and if they are unlucky to be caught will be sent to a holiday camp with free board and lodging TV and game consoles. UKIP for me
typical. a country who will not look after its OWN people. no wonder its a joke
I've never seen anyone work harder than the estate boys dealing in all sorts of substances. They're up until sunrise doing it. Now, if that's not hard work, I don't know what is!
Vote UKIP. Get rid of the lib,lab,con vermin.
Idiot!!!
Bercow has a nerve, he wouldn't know the meaning of hard work.
Spell it as you like -I prefer BERKO!!
(1) Is it or is it not true that 50% of the people arrested for squatting in London (or the UK) over the past year are Romanian? (2) I have personally seen their encampment at Marble Arch ... it was there on Monday, as I passed by to Paddington Station to catch the Heathrow Express.
What he means is that it has enabled all chums to make even more money at the expense of native Britons. Another waste of space.
In my life I have never seen so many idiots and traitors in Parliament - who votes for these people ?
Make one the Speaker then, and make Bercow redundant.
Yes, and some British MP's cannot decide whether they are Conservative or Labour MP's - can they John?
Could agree since Speaker Bercow doesn't do much and is most likely working out the next con trick for the taxpayer.
Fools like him hate British people what a shame we are paying his huge salary, he is living free plus we are paying for his nanny.
yeah yeah yeah...just like you...?
Just what benefit is John Bercow to Britain?? in fact what benefit are any of em...
How low will they go.
Okay Mr.Bercow if they work so much harder that Britons let¿s see them replace all the lazy, scrounging idiots in parliament and we¿ll start with your job shall we? No? Thought not. Now crawl back under your rock you odious little man.
BERCOW YOU'R A PRAT! YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO YOUR OFFICE. SPEAKERS SHOULD KNOW WHEN NOT TO SPEAK, SO WHY HAVEN'T YOU? SPEAKING IS QUITE OBVIOUSLY AN AFFLICTION, THE BERCOW'S HAVE NOT YET MANAGE TO MASTER. "EMPTY VESSELS MAKE MUCH NOISE" EVERYONE DOES MORE WORK THAN YOU! REGARDS ............. WASP
MP's wanted: Must speak Polish!!! Apply to the Houses of Parliament recruitment office!! Above normal wages and lots of perks, this is a non discriminatory post, white British need not required!!
So.. if "they" are harder workers than Britons... then why didn't they work hard enough to improve their own country and their own lot in life? Just curious. Anyway, I don't know why people make these sorts of excuses. Migrants want to go to other countries precisely for mainly one reason - to improve their own lives and future. Britons would be the first people to understand this, because throughout history, British people were amongst the most likely people to migrate away from Britain (which is why there are 140 million descendants of British ancestry living around the world). They left because Britain was a dump at the time, suffering in poverty, famines, wars, etc -- and they wanted better futures for their children, so they sought out "new lands." This is how most Britons ended up in USA, Australia, etc (which already had indigenous people). There's nothing wrong in affording opportunities to people IF that is what they want - "to work hard" - even if it does create conflicts.
Yes I would imagine immigrants do work harder than the average MP
immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government. BUT it does the voters. Vote UKIP and get rid of these idiots in Parliament.
Good,Now get rid of Bercow,without his lavish pension set up,and replace him with a migrant who does not need a nanny for a quarter of the price he costs the British tax payer.
What a slap in the face to hard working Britons who cannot get work because of tax avoiding East Europeans under cutting their prices and their standards of living. Send him and his annoying wife to live in Romania.
how dare he! Migrants are here because the 'benefits' they have thrown at them are fantastic when compared to their own country - also they live 10 to a room so they pay little rent - a UK resident is not prepared to live with another family in 1 room just to save money - why should we? Bercow - shut your stupid mouth you are a complete idiot and out of touch
Ironic that someone who should never open his mouth was appointed Speaker .
Another Labour idiot who opens his big mouth before engaging brain. "I am here as a friend of Romania", you should have done the British public a huge favor and stopped there.
He should be replaced by a Romanian. See how he likes it.
Maybe we should import some Eastern European politicians then!!!
I BET BERCOW DOES NOT HAVE SIXTEEN ROMANIANS LIVING NEXT DOOR CRAMMED INTO A ONE-BEDROOM FLAT KEEPING HIM AWAKE ALL NIGHT. VOTE UKIP TO END THIS EU NONSENSE.
Why was he there anyway, he is going to pitch his comments to his audience, he is hardly going to go there and say how the benefits bill, housing stock and NHS have dramatically suffered since labours policy of unregulated immigration. Maybe he has the same verbal issues his wife has.
Who would have thought it possible that this nasty nasty little man , could become worse ????
Well he does have a point.
Not very good for the poorest 10% who saw their incomes fall 12% in the last 10 years, with a raft of further cuts vicious Tory cuts to come on top of that. Meanwhile whilst the richest 10% saw their income rise 37%. Anyway with the Tories on just 24% in the latest poll perhaps we could find a migrant worker to do Bercow's job somewhat better than him and for a tenth of the money after the next election? Yes and maybe one who didn't claim the maximum additional expenses allowance until 2008/09, or flip his homes a number of time to avoided paying capital gains tax on the sale of not one but two properties, and then claim just under £1,000 from the tax payer to hire an accountant to fill in his tax returns. You would certainly have to go a long way to find someone who worked harder than Bercow at draining the public purse, a very long way indeed.
In that case, Bercow, let one of them have YOUR job.
Hey Bercow, you idiot! First they lower wages for everyone in the same job because they'll work for less. Next, how many people do they make jobless by stealing their jobs? How can it benefit Britain when you have to pay out more in unemployment benefits? No wonder the UK is in such bad shape with this clown in the job he is!
HEY BERCOW SHUT UP but then again maybe you have a point lets have a foreign worker take over as speaker of the house he/she will proberly do a better job then you, and then you and your attention seeking wife can disappear from public site.
That from someone who's never done an honest day's work in all his life.
I agree with him.
They want the average British worker to compete with what people from the poorest parts of Europe are willing to offer. Vote UKIP.
Just liked his loud-mouthed wife, speaks out without engaging his brain cell.
He would say that. He's of Romanian descent.
The UK is governed by complete idiots!! Bet none of these "hard working" Eastern Europeans live next door to Mr Bercow!! English, yeas NOT British, expat in Vietnam and so glad I am out of there.
What a Cuckoled old fool, it's not the skilled immigrant workers people get annoyed about! it is saturation of the unskilled labour market forcing Britons onto benefits & the immigrants that come solely to abuse the benefits system!
I presume that is inclusive of himself and all the other taxpayer funded cronies
I doubt the British are angry about those immigrants who do work hard and have succeeded in Britain. The problem is that not enough of these immigrants are succeeding and integrating in British society.
Quite right too... Some people don't think for themselves; Bercow is right. All first-generation migrants work harder than the local indigenous population because they have to prove themselves a success. All the economic data supports this observation. But then we shouldn't let facts get in the way of our fears...
Is he one of those that thinks the British taxpayer owes the rest of the world a living
This is him being impartial is it?
He's been a disgrace for a long time, look at the wife.
disgusting comments from a man who has most likely never done a hard days graft in his life..? thank god we have people like nigel farage and UKIP on our side.
Well, the Romanians are much better pickpockets, metal 'finders' and benefit gatherers. But, of course, the silly little man did not mean that in trying to curry favour. Maybe they will keep him?
UK should get out of the European Union.
Bercow talks absolute rot - Our country needs fixing but it starts with giving us our pride back, pride to build things, pride not to have to compete with cheap rubbish from China, pride in our laws, pride in our people young and old. Lets not all go down the "service industry" drain - lets get back to having a good mix - a British mix of talent and respect and a few less cheap scroungers who purport to work hard so as to get in to the UK and then free load. UKIP all the way.
the mans a fool.
Why not. They (migrants) work more hours for less pay, don't mind getting exploited by businesses and have extremely low self esteem. Which business owner wouldn't like that kinda employee.
Hmmm I wonder if he would admit that a migrant was harder working than himself? If not is he just saying the rest of us are lazy? And I would suggest that any advantages on the whole are outweighed by the disadvantages... let's see on the left (for) hand we have 'hard working' ... on the right (against) ... clogs the NHS, needs ever more housing, needs access to education in already overcrowded schools and classes, let's not forget the thousands that don't actually want a job just the nice cushty lifestyle compared to their country of origin.... Methinks the 'against's' have it? Who else agrees? Country's Full UKIP
Fine if you have all your expenses paid, live in a huge free flat right next to where you work and have money to burn - who cares if public services on this small island are creaking under the strain, as long as John's all right.
Whether they are or not is immaterial. The jobs should be available to British workers at a fair rate. If the companies don't make as much money then they can stop paying themselves ludicrous wages. At the bottom of it all is people trying to make a buck off migrant workers, I thought we'd got past the era of robber barons !
He is 100% right, many graft and are fantastic. I don't believe hard working migrants are what people have a problem with. It's the people who come here and claim benefits, people are sick of the number of lazy shirkers who are both born here or emigrate here Sort them out!!!
so the fact that 1/3 babies is born to a foreign mum..and the scourns of foreigners on benefis..in council houses..using our NHS doctors/dentists...that's ok? whether tthey work or not the amount they cost is way more than the pittance they pay in
Mr Bercow's family of course are immigrants from Romania, where they were called Bercowitz.
Then lets have migrant MP's and put you lot on the dole! Bet that would hurt you incompetent toad!
This man DESERVES to be married to daft SALLY!! Crime has NEVER been higher in Britain since the flood gates were opened to Eastern Europeans, and it is only going to get worse and more dangerous. Silly man!
Why don't we just replace our greedy lazy expense scrounging government with Romanian politicians. Berkcow is a pot calling the kettle.
How my raspberries have you picked John boy?
Agree so can we have a migrant to replace this heap of dung then he can go home and work out how he and his stupid wife can pay the compensation due for shouting her fat gob off.
Perhaps these are just the ones targeted most by police...just because the majority caught are eastern Europeans does not mean it is mostly them committing the crimes. - missrosey, london, 18/2/2012 1:03-----------Try actually reading the article this time and then inwardly digest, stupid woman! Thanks to Lieba's open borders policy, once again. It's UKIP or BNP for me, it's time this was stopped and we deport any foreign scum found guilty of crime.
Missing the old time Borders, where you coul read "UK Citizens" and "Others"
Bigots you're all bigots...Gordon of Cartoon
And what would the Aussie government do ?. Yep, that's right , send em back where they came from, never mind what the 'uman rights brigade say's. Instead of indulging in brown nosing with Sarkosy he should take a trip down under to see how it's done properly.
Any chance of extrapolating these figures to percentages so that they are proportionate to the number of people of each nationality rather than simply showing raw data?
Didnt Blair say that we could expect only 13000 Polish immigrants! Thats why the UK didnt impose a numbers limitation which some other EU countries did. My God- The work of that chap was utterly unbelievable
Immigrants who commit a crime should be shipped back from whence they came immediately.
Good to know the floodgates are open to these people!!!!
And yet they are let in
Quelle surprise!
WE KNOW! we've known for ages NO ONE IS LISTENING TO US!!!!
and thats only the ones who have been caught the uk is now a dangerous place to live
Dismantle the useless Border Agency and put something in place that works. And no fire only to hire...fresh blood only. The Police need a shake up too
If they commit a crime, then deport them and mark their passport so they can't return. This has got to stop!
It's simple, deport criminals to their country of origin. Surely it can't be too difficult to create an EU law where if someone is convicted of a crime in another country whether it be a fellow EU state or elsewhere their passport is revoked?
We would not have had these figures under a Labour government! Anything which cast doubts on the policy of mass immigration created by Tony, Gordon and pals was strictly forbidden but now the horrendous truth is coming out. Unless we leave the present EU, we are doomed I fear. Another glowing legacy of years of the terrible Labour administration. Come on Cameron, look after the interests of Britain and not the rotten parts of the EU.
I watched a few programes about the Australian Border Agency/Airports. You know why this sort of thing is more uncommon there!? Because they actually check the people coming through! This Goverment needs to learn a lesson or two from them, me thinks!
Wow...knock me over with a feather.....I would never have thought that!!!!!
And They've only just realised? Please sack these incompetents!
So who is doing the other 75%?
In which case I'm astonished nothing's being done - just like the dangerous dog situation, looks like we'll have to endure yet more carnage.
Well there's a surprise. This is the elephant in the room and something needs to be done about it. OUT OF EUROPE NOW!!
And it's also getting like that here in Cyprus. - David, Cyprus, 18/2/2012 04:13 and here in Spain too
A UK Border Agency spokesman said: ‘Any foreign national offender sentenced to more than 12 months in prison is automatically recommended for deportation.’=== I am not remotely interested in how many recommendations are made for deportation. I would, however like to know what proportion of people sentenced to in excess of 12 months have ACTUALLY BEEN DEPORTED.
That is right follow Australian lead. Message to the UK GOVERNMENT PROTECT US NOW !!!!!!
And to add insult to injury, these crimes, be they petty or major, create extra work and further strain on local authorities as they can require the use of foreign language interpretors in processing them.
I live in Poland. The police here are great. Polite, respectful and proper, but they take NO nonsense. My human rights are enshrined in the Polish constitution, but the police here don't give a fig for the human rights of criminals. And you know what? Most people over here think that is as it should be. Where I live there is a minimal crime rate. Now I know why - the criminals moved to Britain. Please keep them, life here is so good while they are away.
Catch them and deport them, with no right to return to UK.
Now pease tell us something that we didn´t already know.But what is Cameron doing about securing our boarders and keep these people out, Nothing as usual because the EU won´t allow it,so why doesn´t he give us the referendum on getting out of this mess?. Another thing is that they should be deported if convicted here and banned from re entry,there are enough home grown criminals already we don´t need to import them.
Have they only just realised that? What does the "listening" government listen to? Classic FM?
"A UK Border Agency spokesman said: ‘Any foreign national offender sentenced to more than 12 months in prison is automatically recommended for deportation.’ If this read "is AUTOMATICALLY DEPORTED" think how much money we would save and how much prison cell space we would free up!
SEND A COPY TO OUR ANGELA IN BONN! THE JOYS OF THE EU!
careful, before you know it they'll be complaining that they are being discriminated against and the police won't touch them.
Isn't it possible to send them home to srve their sentences? I'm pretty sure prisons in most of these nations are far harsher than the glorified holiday camps that prisons have become in the uk...
Calm down, dear readers, Dave is on the case. He is preparing a speech about what he would like to do, about what he may do and what possibly, maybe, perhaps, could be achieved, as we are all in it together, about right now. Keep the faith, vote liblabcon!
Immegration can be likened to a form of tax on the rest of us and until we all see it that way the government wont change a thing and big business will keep getting cheap labour. Ultimately every employees salary is set at the lowest price an employer needs to pay. Therefore the more people out there wanting your job the less they have to pay. So the more people entering the country the less you get paid. You are just like a tin of beans.
As long as we are in the E.U there is nothing we can do about Eastern European criminal gangs and individuals they free to come here with the open border policy for Europeans.The only way to stop this is to get out of the E.U and that's by voting UKIP.Anyone who needs to more about UKIP just go to youtube and watch Nigel Farage in the Brussels everything he points out to them always turns out to be correct.
EU MIGRANTS ARE SUCH AN ASSET TO UK !!!!!, We really don't need to bring more criminals into this country, why are they only deported, if sentenced to 12 months prison, any crime they should be deported, WE NEED TO EXIT EU NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just another example of the EU experiment which has ruined the UK.There is no real answer to the problem.The damage has now been done
whether we like it or not the die has already been cast so it wont matter how loud the cries are for ending this "open door policy " on immigration, neither will it matter which political party is in power it will simply fall on deaf ears because European rules are firmly in place and our witless and treacherous leaders will do as Brussels demands without so much as a whimper or consideration for the British public
Its no surprise that we are in this state, Labour desperately wanted a flood of immigrants into the country. We only have them to blame. They had no interest in whether they were good workers, criminals or benefit cheats. As Tony Blair said "I want to water down the population of this country, its for our benefit to have a diverse population"
Thanks to unfettered immigration Britain is now an UNSAFE COUNTRY. I am planning to emigrate to Australia within the next few years where I understand the government have control of their borders and people feel safer. I am a highly skilled professional so am lucky. 5 of my highly skilled professional friends (2 doctors, 1 teacher, 1 engineer, 1 nurse) have also gone to live in Australia. In reality, Britain is trading it's highly skilled people for dangerous criminals and benefit claimants. God help poor old Britain -because the government certainly isn't.
This is the end result of 13 years of labour interfering in the running of this once proud country.... Everyone told them this would happen, did they listen ?? No of course not, nanny knows best.... Please, remember what labour and the liberals have done, don't let them back... UKIP, let's make a difference next time
I wouldnt worry too much folks,this country's finished.
Sickening statistics and its only going to get worse.we are now just a dumping ground for any countries scum and the authorities dont care.
Tell us something we don't already know!
Everyone knows what needs to be done yet not one politician has got the balls to do it.
I think most of us already know this. Until we leave the EU this will not get any better.
How much more proof does the government need to admit that its time to close the borders and lock the doors, then start to deport the ones that have comitted any sort of crime, including the ones that are supposedly under house arrest. Tax payers are fed up with paying for foreign criminals to live here.
So the EU dictates open borders but for a UK taxpaying citizen going on a package holiday, has to provide all passport information before they go on holiday. Something doesn't quite add up here.
Well it's not too surprising as they seem to account for a quarter of the population.
Please remember that if you have a Rant in public,about foreign people coming to the UK ,whether they be criminals or taking British jobs,housing, getting free health care,or living off benefits etc. You could end up in Court ...... ... especially If you are White British, you must NEVER complain or express worries in public about the future of your country.
What a hovel you've allowed this once beautiful land become.
The British taxpayer is forced to pay out a fortune in dealing with criminals flooding in from the rest of Europe, without benefit of financial assistance from the EU mandarins who say we have to take them in. If they break the law, I say we should kick them out of Britain with no second chance given to re-enter the country. That should bring down the cost of crime quite a bit, and then our police officers can once again focus most of their attention on our own home-grown insults to society.
We should have the ability to deport these offenders to their original country, EU or otherwise.
Labour, the legacy that keeps on giving.
I live in the center of Krakow, Poland and have to say things are very mellow here. There is crime as there is everywhere but I have never had any problems and neither has my wife and we are out and about quite a lot. I do think sometimes criminals are more likely to emigrate especially to places from where they can't be deported and where there is easy money.
Any immigrant sentenced to over 12 months is recommended for deportation. It should be mandatory. No arguments, no civil rigfhts court. I understand we don't have to abide to its rulings anyway. They came here they abused our hospitality so send them back. They only came here in the first place because they knew how soft our sentencing was.
I think it's an absolute disgrace that these people can't just be deported never to be let in again.
Simon, London - Australia has its problems too - believe me it is not the Utopia you imagine it to be.
:This alone is almost enough to jkustify renegotiation of the access treaty of the EC if not of quitting th e E C altogether. We need our own border controls back with a visa system for East europeans and others in themeantime all such criminals who are caught should be expelled with very severe penalties given to any who return subsequently i.e. a minimum of two years imprisonment
Time for a change. UKIP next time I think.
Just pure mathematics, if immigrants are almost a quarter of the population so will be their contribution in the rest of affairs. Unfortunately their quarter contribution is only in the crime, scooping the state benefits and all sops that this country offers. Wish they also a part of bringing more revenues, peace, prosperity and economic growth as was expected.
I hate this stupid country
It s been said by a judge that they come over here because not only are the "picking"rich but if your caught the sentence is soft and the jail cosy.
I agree with all these comments - time to no to immigration - the horror stories just keep coming!
Nothing you can do. Mps could not care less as long as they can fiddle their expenses. Deeper into the gutter everyday.
Not just London, it's the same across the uk.
This should be a wake up call to the government, putting a limit or a ban on Non-EU migrants will not help..... DO SOMETHING .......DOES THE PEOPLE IN POWER read the papers or have access to this sort of Data or they just turn a blind eye like everything else.
I think this was pretty evident to the British public. I believe that it is going to get to the point where there is no alternative but to pull out of Europe so we can actually decide ourselves who enters Britain and who leaves the Country through deportation...well here's hoping anyway!
It really does make you want to leave this country. David, grow a pair and be a Tory leader for once. Rather than the yellow bellied, sit on the fence glove puppet you are now.
Send them home to serve their sentences - save prison overcrowding immediately
Maybe this is why half of Britain is currently moving to Australia
Every single one of these criminals should be put on the next plane out of OUR country and remain persona non grata. But of course this will not happen because we are run by lily livered politicians who kowtow to everything spouted from Brussels and don't give two hoots to what the people of OUR country want and demand.
Send these criminals back to serve their sentences in their filthy rotten hard regime prisons of their own countries and pay the country to house them. This will be a fraction of the cost of having them in prison in the UK and will be more of a deterrent. Countries should be more responsible for their own people like parents shroud be responsible for the actions of their children.
I am a Daily Mail Reader and I am outraged. OUTRAGED, I say! - Mike, Beijing... Odd you sound more like one of those leftie, corduroy wearing, Guardian reading preachers, who nobody wants to listen to .
The Labour Gov. said that only about 13 thousands of Eastern European would come here and that half of them would go back in a year time... Lying to your people could also be considered as crime...
Tell us something we don't know!! What we DO want to know is when Cameron Cleggy and Co are going to do something about it!!! NO good waiting for Clarky to do anything all criminals are his mates!!!
In other words 75% of all crimes in London had nothing to do with immigrants.
This has been known about for years, in Scotland Polish nationals five years ago were responsible for approx 35 crimes, the following year that figure jumped to more than 1000. We need to enforce internal border controls in the EU or leave altogether. How much taxpayers would be saved if we didn't,t have 10,000 foreigners in our prison, less police time wasted, courts NHS etc. Cameron do something now!
Typical: hard working East Europeans coming over here to commit the crimes our own workshy population can't be bothered to commit.
There are only three - EU supporting - parties in this country. Please keep voting for them .... it's the only way - you can have lots more of this.
It was David Blunkett who said there would only be 12,000 East Europeans coming to this country every year. The fact is HE let in over 200,000 a year. When an Afghan plane landed at Stansted Airport with a load of illegals, Jack Straw said that everyone of them would be returned to Afghanistan. Not one single illegal was sent back and most of them are living off MY council tax.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - The foremost task of Government is to safeguard the interests of the people, our people. This Government and the last are failing to do so, whether it be protection from those who mean us harm, protecting our jobs, protecticting our way of life, protecting our precious democratic rights, or protecting our public services. Why do you vote for them?
This comes as absolutely no surprise. When the EU expanded to include former Soviet bloc countries, it did so for purely political reasons: no thought was given as to how this might affect the existing member nations. However in many of the newly admitted countries, organised crime had been permitted, provided it was practised abroad: criminals, other than state-sponsored ones, got very short shrift at home. As a result, criminals from those countries developed extremely well-organised gangs, largely operating in the more prosperous capitalist western European countries. Now this is coming home to roost.
If you come into this country and break the law, you should be automatically deported. It is about time the law recognised the human rights of the victims, not the criminals.
....but surely, in this PC age, high numbers of Eastern Europeans convicted of crime can only be due to racial profiling, institutional police rascim, and intolerence.
You could not make it up!!
And what will be done about it , absolutely nothing as per usual
The EU - Expensive & Useless. We are a sovereign nation. Time to regain control over who we allow to enter OUR country and who should remain here.
no other subject for this piece of toilet paper huh? i bet u;ve got no stories....nobody belives what you write anyway !
VOTE U.K.I.P TO PUT A STOP TO THIS EVIL MESS !!!
The importation of foreign criminals into Britain is good for the legal profession. Which is why lawyers fight so hard and blag the legal aid fees so heavily to prevent them from being deported. Once a criminal is sent home he ceases to become a potential source of income unless he sneaks back here. It's really not much more complicated than that.
Thanks labour Tony Blair will do anything for his country - except live in it
"Offenses" should read "offences".
If we close our borders to immigrants England will end up like the valleys in Wales. Immigration is the haemoglobin this country needs to remain great. Over 90% of all people who live in the UK are the descendants of immigrants.
Finally Greece is not topping the list.... What a credit to all Greeks who are struggling in the crisis.
Its far too late to close the borders ,blair and broon made sure of that ,but cameron has gone along with it too ! We now need a serious deterrent to bring those here into line, stiffer sentencing interpol cross checking of criminals and immediate deportation upon conviction ,Surely its my families and my human right to be protected from all and sundry, is it not? remember who to vote for at the next election as the lib labs and cons are responsible for this enrichment/utopian/multicultural failure !
We need to get out the eu !
Tip of the Iceberg: Headline should read 25% of known crimes - what about the crimes they are getting away with such as false claims for council housing when they have homes back home, benefits for non-existent children, etc. Vote UKIP - cynical, London, 18/02/2012 02:34<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< And of course, British people would NEVER do such a thing!
makes my blood boil.in my town ive seen loads of poles and eastern europeans flooding in,theres no work here now send them back,
All these foreigners, coming here, taking our jobs. It's terrible, especially when we've got our own, home-grown British criminals to commit these crimes. Whatever happened to the good old British pick-pocket? It's the death of an institution. Oh the irony of some of these comments coming from Brits living abroad!
All the time lib/lab/con-trick voters who vote for parties that will not take us out of the E.U had better enjoy the results of being in the E.U. so don't moan about the criminals of Europe being here, after all you vote for the parties that keep us in this E.U enslavement.
Here's another OFFENCE ... Spelling OFFENCE IN A FOREIGN MANNER.
This will rise when the other countries join,you only have to look at the court list to tell you that foriegners are outlisting English.Lets face it we are so soft on offenders its no wonder they come here to offend as our prision are better than our old peoples homes
Close the doors now , but it may it be too late !
it's the same right across the uk - not just the capital
I have often wondered why immigrants flock to the UK . . it certainly cannot be for our climate. . Maybe the free handouts and soft judiciary have something to do with it.
notice that it says "accused of crime" not "found guilty of crime."
All the time lib/lab/con-trick voters who vote for parties that will not take us out of the E.U had better enjoy the results of being in the E.U. so don't moan about the criminals of Europe being here, after all you vote for the parties that keep us in this E.U enslavement.
Offences is the correct English spelling. Offenses is the American spelling.
The EU's greatest export to the UK is criminals. Not the best people travel these days.We need greater resolve to repel borders!
It can't be true, according to most Brits the poles are hard working and decent people compared to our own.
We used to go to London for days out etc.Not anymore it is very costly you do not feel safe and you cannot park and the trains are unreliable.I feel sorry for anybody going to the olympics they will get seriously ripped off.Every body knows bt the immigration problems but nobody does anything?
And Tony Blair still insists he was a fantastic PM! New Labour has ruined this country by opening the doors to all and sundry! Where do I apply for a visa to emigrate to Australia? - Simon, London, England., 18/2/2012 8:41.-----------------immii.gov.au. but do a free assesment test online for free to check your eligible. I am working in a loving town in the Pilbara in WA.
Figures will obviously show foreigners are the biggest criminals...... there are so few British people living in London.
Not only London - EVERYWHERE!
What a very politically embarrasing country I live in.
Thanks Toni blair you let them in.
How can European binding legislation,that permits economic migration of CRIMINALS be in any sense justified or sensible ? HOW CAN IT BE ? It's time for us to remove ourselves from this bureaucratic mess !!
No Way DM!!! A Quarter?!?! God, and who is reaponsible for the rest 75%?!?!
Well, we've been told ad nauseum how industrious the eastern europeans are compered to the english, why the surprise that their criminals should be any different.
They shoulddn't have been allowed in in the first place. Period.
Yawn!! We know,weve known for years. Its Dave and his mates that need telling not us. The reason they do it here is that our judges are asses and even if they get send down its like a holiday camp when you grew up in poverty in Lithuania. Start sending them home to serve their sentences and theyll not be so keen.
How bad has it got to get before somebody with some b**** does something
On the flip side, that means 75% of crime was made by the british public. And no, I am white british!
As fellow Europeans, these people have a Human Right to commit crime wherever they wish and there's naff-all we can do about it. Wasn't the EU a great idea? See - I told you so.
Well... ... ... uh, ... Thanks! Oh, the benefits of the EU! (that's what THEY are saying).
Can you state the nationalities of the other 75% of Offenders or are you Only interested Printing shock horror crime statistics of 25% of East Europeans calling it a "Crime Wave".
Yet Cameron & Co are absolutely convinced "we are better off in the EU"!!!!!! But then they have tax funded 24/7 protection...
We should say a huge thankyou to Blair and his government for making our country such a safe place in which to live !!!
Can't comment for fear of being accused as a racist. . .
I remember the good old days, the sixties. I arrived in Dover off of a ferry from France (not Heathrow) with an American passport and was quizzed for half an hour by immigration officials before finally being allowed to remain for six months. I was actually on a break from studies at Glasgow University and returned to teach in a technical college. I now leave Britain on my American passport and return on my British passport thereby adding to the total of foriegners leaving and Brits returning.
According to our rulers we need the foriegn workforce.
Well... ... ... uh, ... Thanks! Oh, the benefits of the EU! (that's what THEY are saying).
We were told we would benefit from joining the eu, yeah right.
Any crime is unacceptable, however to think that some of the recent horrific events could have been prevented if thorough checks on foreigners were carried out, just makes a mockery of the whole system and leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.
Yet we still keep letting them in.
And that's just London...
What is sick about all this is that the bad people cannot be deported due to the silly Human Rights Law. It is a pity that British Law is weak and useless, just like its Politicians.
Welcome to the UK, the garbage bin of Europe.
A UK Border Agency spokesman said: ‘Any foreign national offender sentenced to more than 12 months in prison is automatically recommended for deportation.’ I believe this rule should also apply to any foreign national found begging on our streets.
Unfortunately something most of us know..
Leave the EU and send em packing!!
Considering that one in three people living in London are born overseas, that would mean that they're less likely to commit crime than somebody born here.
Labour have rubbed all our noses in multiculturism. Naturally the criminal class and those who spend their lives suckling at the benefits teat will still be keen to vote Labour, while the rest of us pay for it.
If they break the law send them back, why should they stay in the country.
Get rid!
No surprise! Even in Cyprus which used to be near crime free has the same problem. One used to be able to go out and not lock up and leave the car unlocked while shopping. NOT ANYMORE! It's time the EU woke up to the problem - no chance. Denmark tried to tighten up and were heavily critised. A CRIMINALS CHARTER.
This is only the start . In another 20 years this country will be absolutely and truly decimated beyond words. Day by day . Week by week. Month after month and year after year it has gone steadily worse. The only good side I can see is that other countries can take a serious note of what has happened to a once nice Island ,and not let the socialists and liberals have a free reign. I find it so sad that that is the only upside.
Suprised? Sadly not. Welcome to modern britain
Working in insurance fraud this is also reflective. Soft touch Britain again.
Surprise, surprise. Just wait till the Russian and Ukrainian mafia flex their muscles here. And if "Any foreign national offender sentenced to more than 12 months in prison is automatically recommended for deportation.", then the judges must give 12 months minimum sentence for any crime and recommend deportation even if it is against EU laws.
The EU has not been good for this country it's about time we opted out! Get these people out of the country.. What is the matter with our week willed government? When are they actually going to do their job properly?
Before anyone starts to moan about the high foreigner crime rates think about this: your mass-media back in 1980-ies and long before that shed tears over poor Polish, Lithuanian, Romanian etc. people oppressed by the Soviet Union behind the Iron Curtain. Now you should feel happy: they are free (to travel among other things), free to contribute to collapse of the European Union and therefore your economic conditions. Moreover, soon some freed people of Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Iraq, Syria etc. are going to join the perks of the free world if they have not done that already. Relax and enjoy the fruits of decision-making of your politicians. Or start to build some kind of wall around Western Europe.
This will get worse until we leave the damnable EU dictatorship which has given free legal access into UK to all from poor EU countries, including their dangerous criminal dregs and scum, and we are not even allowed to return them. Vote UKIP to stop this. Otherwise, stop complaining, because non of the three main political parties will do a thing about it, not even the Conservatives whilst they have somebody like Cameron as leader.
Why are we surprised,this country called Great Britain doesnt belong to us Britons anymore.It is owned by the EU..by the ECHR...and by any foreign chancer that ends up on our shores either legally or illegally.Usually the latter.I despair,I really do.
It makes me proud to be British that we happily let just anyone into the country to rob, rape and murder us and our loved ones. The fact that so many of the liberal left (lawyers, civil servants etc) who arranged it all make such a good living out of it is a bonus. The fact that most of these immigrants get a passport and then vote Labour is even the icing on the cake.
That is probably because 25% of those in London ARE foreigners ? No surprise really.
Anyone can see that this is simply unacceptable and it's another aspect of the European utopian dream which is proving to be extremely detrimental to our nation. Unless this is resolved it will be another very good argument for withdrawing from the unholy mess and going it alone. At least then we might regain control of who stays here.
No outrage about 150,000 British criminals then?..................
Our government lets these lowlifes come here so we can hardly complain CAN WE?
We need multi-racialism even in crime it appears. And anyone who objects will be branded a bigot by old and new Labour.
UK Border Agency policy should not be 'automatically recommended for deportationÂ’ but 'will be deported'. In plain English - boot the b++++++ out back to where they came from.
Yet further evidence to support our exit from the EU. We need to regain control of our borders. Any foreign national convicted here should be repatriated to serve their sentence. We save the cost of incarceration and get rid of the source of the trouble at the same time. Simple.
I thought as much. If we had closed Borders our prisons would be half empty
Outsource the prison service to a foreign country who needs the income for overseas offenders. Must be few in Africa who need the cash. Let them serve their sentence under the conditions of that country. You will soon see the offending rates go down. I am there are a few evil Brits in jail who could join them too.
And why is EU membership a good thing?
Easy welfars, soft justice system and cushy prisons, with next to no chance of them being deported when they are caught! Our only option is to leave the EU.
Mr Blair certainly has a lot to answer for when He decided to open the gates to Britain to all and sundry!!!
The Home Secretary, the Immigration Minister and the PM have all got their wires crossed by targeting NON EU nationals entering the UK when the problems are really with the EU nationals in the UK who are allowed unrestricted access. The Coalition Govt has a flawed immigration policy that is unnecessarily discriminatory and racist and this Coalition Govt is failing to employ the UKBA to protect the British borders and British people!
Can someone remind me why the EU is a good thing? What does the UK get from Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Greece etc.. etc?
My beautiful England is being turned into a sewer but hey just as long as the Government keeps the CBI happy with cheap workers who cares if our streets aren't safe to walk anymore after all multiculturalism good for us they tell us.....YES RIGHT.
EU laws are the problem here. Indeed, EU membership is the biggest problem at the root of this. But, don't you know, these scumbags have their "rights" whereas we seemingly have none.
So three out of four crimes are committed by Brits
Round em up send em back. Please grow some balls Britain...these stories are starting to bore me.
Why do they come to London in the first place? Big unregulated benefit system, loads of tax-free work below HMRC's radar, a sad justice system to take advantage of, and lots of legal backing from the Euro-zone via the Human Rights Act. Let's face it - the big boys in the EU don't want these people either, so they use this stupid law to dump 'em on us. AND WE LIE BACK AND ACCEPT IT BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT OUR POLITICIANS ARE NOT ON OUR SIDE. THEY ALL WANT TO BE KINNOCKS.
I did told you this over 10 years ago, but no one listened to me ! MUCH THANKS TO THE EU AND THE LABOUR PARTY FOR OPEN THE BORDER. Now take you report to Tony Blair and his party ! and make them pay. becouse they are responsible !
This proves that Britain should get out of that organisation known as the European Union ASAP!
Time to make all those who pass through our borders be checked, I know it will be a hard job, but if it saves one UK citizen from being murdered, raped or bashed then it is worth it. Why can't the governemnt see this EU thing is NOT working?
Our courts are failing the ordinary law abiding people.Too many gangs allowed to take over areas in the UK. We may have an 'open door policy' but don't you still need to get your passport checked - therefore computer input? Any foreign national jailed over the age of 18, should be given immediate deportation not recommended for deportation .Its time we had back up from the EU on this matter. Too many HR activists in positons to sway the legistlion.
What a surprise for Joe Public...Not. OK then Cameron DO SOMETHING>>>CLOSE OUR "BORDERS" NOW!!!!!!!
Enough is enough, isnt it time the government sorts out this mess. Instead of letting everyone into the country, pull up the damn drawbridge and only let in desirable people. The low skilled jobs can be done by the feckless unemployed louts if we cut their benefits so there is no need for cheap immigration anymore. And deport anyone who is convicted of criminal offences because it is my human right not to get burgled\robbed\stolen from by immigrants.
can anybody be surprised? we are known for one reason or another as the softest touch in the world
If there are 11,000 foreign nationals behind bars in England and Wales along with 77,000 British nationals- that would mean that one in eight or 12.5% of the prison population is of foreign birth. Since about 12% of the population is foreign-born anyway, that's about the number one would expect if the rate of criminality was exactly the same for British and non-British people. In London the foreign-born population rises to 33%, so if they're responsible for 24% of crimes in the capital, then the figures tend to suggest there's actually a lower rate of criminality than amongst British people whose 67% of the population of London is responsible for 76% of the crime.
With 43% of London's population being foreigners, and only 24% of crimes being committed by foreigners, this article proves that British locals do twice as much crime as foreigners.
A new generation of Labour voters as allowed in under Blair/Brown. Good job they can vote in prisons it will give the labour party a chance to get back in. Don't suppose we could repeal the human rights act and boot these people out of the country?
This article makes me soooo angry.
1/4 of all offences. Add another 1/4 (at least) of the total spend in the U.K. to look after all the 'new faces'. Add another 1/4 of all the jobs in the U.K. gone to the 'new people' and we must be getting close to why Britain is in such a mess...
I am a Daily Mail Reader and I am outraged. OUTRAGED, I say!
DM, considering you yourself reported some time ago that one in three people in London were born abroad but you now claim that foreigners commit only one in four crimes, it would appear that immigrants are on the whole better at living within the law than the Brits living in London...
And it's also getting like that here in Cyprus.
And your pathetic Government will do absolutely nothing about it as it is their human rights to rob, rape, assault and murder you all. In any right minded country you would immediately be deported and banned from returning but not the UK.
THE REVEAL, was known to every British person a long time ago.....but nothing will be done, we are losing out in our own country, I feel like a 2nd class citizen.OUT OF EUROPE...
THE REVEAL, was known to every British person a long time ago.....but nothing will be done
Its well known that when Romania was permitted entry to the EU,the Govt there simply pushed their nastiest criminals out of the country and over the border and most ended up here.Whats worse is that most of these arrested in the UK pretend they cant speak English,that means an Interpreter is needed for every interview and Court appearance-that aint cheap,cough up Taxpayer.No wonder we are skint.
Facepalm! The week you opened to boarders to all, I could of told you that...but who cares right? as long as we are all throwing flowers in the air and singing in harmony "Equality, multiculturalism, our country free for everyone, no checks needed" then this doesn't exist right? Shall we all just skip along with a big grin on our face and ignore everything just incase we get branded a racist for speaking truths.
Surprise Surprise
Open borders allow criminals into the country. Why is anyone surprised? There is no point in trying to deport them as they will just come back. The UK is truly screwed.
As soon as they commit the crime, they should be booted straight out on the next flight. Sick of seeing our porous borders allowing foreign criminals with records as long as your arm from their vown country coming into the U.K, to commit crimes here. Most ordinary citizens with common sense can see that they come here for the sole purpose of getting on the benefits gravy train whilst continuing their lifestyle of theft on our streets against our citizens. Idle lazy thieves shouldn't be allowed to get past our borders without background checks. If they can't supply that proof then they can't come in.
Shut the gates now!! Lets grow some balls and do it like the Australians!!
UNBELIEVABLE !!!! and the government didnt see this coming.....
A march on London is required as this country has committed suicide without our say . All this whilst governmentt employees set up themselves as a private businness to rip us off even more WHAT A DISGRACE Carl
When is this insanity going to end??!?
this situation is paid for with your money.if the 3rd rate people in power had to fund this and all the other half witted things they dream up with the money they scam from taxpayers,i think they call it wages,this and all the other crap we put up with would stop.
DM, help to change the laws so we can send the thieving parasites back to the their homelands, and let them try it there.
I'm not surprised, we've allowed them to walk right in and take over just about everything - crime included Crims should be deported as soon as they are convicted, but we are a sad, weak and pathetic country they are happy to take the mickey out of, safe in the knowledge that we treat all overseas visitors much better than the British that actually live here and pay taxes.
"Overall, foreigners are accused of one in four of all crimes committed in London" Ummmm? That would be reported crimes...and to be quite honest, with recent rulings, I'm no longer sure exactly what constitutes a "crime" anymore.
And it's taken them this long to discover? Hmmmm.....
Polish criminals thought British prisons were like being in ‘a spa’, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This, coupled with ridiculously lenient sentences, is the reason crime is rampant in the UK. Foreign criminals are queuing up to get into the UK it's paradise on earth for them. Local Crims do not fear prison, they quite enjoy it. Get real DC and force judges to give realistic sentences and the prison services to cut out all privileges and perks, retaining only the most basic requirements to keep the inmates alive.
when you come to a country where law and order fail to exist what do you expect.
The only people this is a surprise to are those in the Government and the liberal numpties that want to keep our borders open to hundreds of thousands of unchecked immigrants every year! I hope the suffering of the victims of these crimes doesn't weight too heavily on their minds. Oh no, of course it won't, because they don't actually care about the people of this country. They only care about their indoctrinated politics and ideology.
...only a quarter? I wonder if Eastern Europeans are as criminally active in their homelands or is their appalling disrespect for the law reserved for the UK? And, if the latter is the case, I feel its probably because they are unlikely to get caught and if they do our criminal system is a complete joke? There needs to be strong deterrents put in place to stop this blight on our economy and tax payers. When these people are caught and successfully prosecuted they should be deported straight away along with their immediate family. And any prison sentences should be served in their homeland. These people should be automatically barred from re entering the UK ever again.
according to the european court of human rights its their human rights to murder, rape, steal and all that jazz.
Anyone honestly surprised?
No surprises there then. I work in the construction industry. You daren't leave anything in lockers or changing rooms any more. The theft rate has rocketed. Lockers broken into and wallets, phones, keys etc stolen. They hang around in pairs, one as lookout and then go through bags or break in to lockers. They have even stolen laces from safety boots instead of buying spares! I'm not saying theft never happened before the influx of workers from other parts of Europe, but it was rare, very rare. Peoples belongings were respected. On one job (a prison!), every break time engineers instruments had to be taken back to the office as in one month three were stolen, at about £1,000+ each. Some can cost £20,000+. Nothing unusual to have hand tools etc go missing on a daily basis. Still, why should we be surprised, they've been stealing our jobs for ages. It's not uncommon in the building industry for the majority of workers on a site to be Eastern European.
Basically put, the EU wont allow us to sent criminals back, so in itself, turning the UK into a holding place for all criminals that the EU wants off the mainland. The EU were lucky, because first, they have Blair who would sell his soul for power and greed, now followed by a spinless Cameron who just blame the previous gov for everything instead of doing something to get us out.
For the sake of our children and grandchildren these offenders MUST be sent back to their own country to serve their sentence. They should also be banned from leaving their country again.That is what SHOULD happen to EVERY person who commits a crime no matter where they come from in the World. Please can we have some BASIC COMMONSENSE in place when dealing with our Border Controls?
It great being in the E.U aint it?,well aint it?
Does the UK border control da any checks these days or is it just a case of wave them through? What will happen when the olympics are on?
Tip of the Iceberg: Headline should read 25% of known crimes - what about the crimes they are getting away with such as false claims for council housing when they have homes back home, benefits for non-existent children, etc. Vote UKIP
Vote in scum lying politicians,and they will bring you the world. When will the British public ever get the message?.
I'm amazed,would never have thought that!
‘Any foreign national offender sentenced to more than 12 months in prison is automatically recommended for deportation.’ But won't be because of their human rights to commit more crime against the British public.
Yes, that the price Britain pays for joining the EU. Close your border!!!
Congratulations, comrade Blair. Far be it from me - and innumerable other like- minded British citizens - to say 'I told you so'. Because this won't bring back Guiseppe and Caterina Massaro, will it?
Multiculturalism?? No thanks...people bring their 3rd world ways with them. How many more British people living decent in their own country will become the victims of foreign criminals?
So why are we still allowing them to come here, as they are of no benefit to this country whatsoever? Answer, we have a government , who could not care less about our country or our people!
The solution is good governance. Something the UK has not had in beeping years.
And yet nothing will be done.
Close the borders!
Roll Up. Roll Up !! for the luverly Olympics,in Olde London Town
Who is this news to? I read the DM every day so we are well aware!
Oh how I love being part of Europe
Why are there so many shady characters of East European heritage begging, busking, gambling, conning tourists on Westminster Bridge, right under the noses of our government? Why is it that immigrants who commit a crime get to stay here? Why is it that there are parts of the capital that you don't feel safe in? If immigrants can't follow the rules of their host country, kick them out and don't let them back in.
This country is done, finished, we have taken all we can from this foreign invasion. PLEASE Cameron, do something about it NOW!!!! I don't want to hear the inevitable screams from the liberal, equality, multiculturalist lobby about not tarring them all with the same brush. I want a return to the traditional British values that we, me among 'em, have fought so hard to preserve. Socialism/Liberalism, has destroyed all that this once great and proud nation has achieved. we are now the dustbin to the world.
How good Hungary is not on the list, I would feel so ashamed ....
I didn't realise that we had a skills shortage amongst the criminal fraternity and had been forced to bring them in to the country with plumbers and the like.
WELL< automaticaly recomended for deportation eh? How come they never go ? As a Tax payer I am fed up of this government using my hard earned cash to keep these criminals, lets do as other countries do, GET RID< and send em back, blow the EU, lets start doing whats right for us, what is Merkel gonna do sue us. Do we Care.
Wave implies something smooth and gentle. Tsunami is the word your looking for.
Don't tell us, we know all about it! Tell our spineless lily-livered government.
What a surprise !! They know they can come here and get away with it. After that horrific murder the other day we should really question what our Border agencies are actually doing to stop the criminal elements getting in. They certainly should be deported along with their families if they are caught!
On the bright side it's a heck of a lot safer in Eastern Europe nowadays.
The politicians of this country disgust me.
Commit a crime = automatically deported. Isn't that a simple solution? Am I mising something? Crime in China is very low, it is the safest place I have ever lived - it might have something to do with Chinese prisons being hell holes.
They should be made to serve their sentences in their own country and the British Taxpayer should not have to foot the bill for the scum that are just being allowed to walk in with no criminal checks at all. The EU open door policy on immigration must end now!
So what will Mr Cameron do about this?.........nothing as usual.
And crime in those countries must be going down. They are exporting the criminals here. I blame Gordy and labour for signing up to free eu movement when France and Germany did so in stages. Labour are full of idiots!!
And what will the government do about it? ...... Nothing
This doesn't surprise me in the slightest!
I'm on the opinion that ANY foreign national that commits ANY kind of crime SHOULD BE DEPORTED, no explanation given to any humans rights court.
These statistics are on the shoulders of our politicians. They sowed the wind (multicultrism) and now "we" reap the whirlwind.
Dear comments reader, if you live next door to a politician would please tell him / her about this sad state of affairs next time you see them, thankyou.
Perhaps these are just the ones targeted most by police...just because the majority caught are eastern Europeans does not mean it is mostly them committing the crimes.
We deserve all we get because we let the big mouth, bleeding hearted, PC tree huggers rule the roost by smearing us as racist if we so much as look at a foreigner the wrong way! Tony Blair and the witch and their awful brood live in a huge house with many acres and afforded the luxury of a bodyguard and money to protect their houses and properties.What about us? He and the MP's like him (most who have never done a hard days graft in their lives) have ruined this country by trying a multicultural experiment that no one wanted or were asked if they wanted, branded "racist" if they disagreed Well until we have the balls to stand up to these people and vote them out, we will continue and deserve to get all riff raff from all over the world coming to our once Great country. We'll take the blame when London or some other inner city goes up in flames again, because the loony left "thinktank" will blame the natives and the MP's will agree and award themselves a pay rise and more holidays.
The only reason we have all the criminals from the EU and elsewhere in the world here is. They know they will get a LIGHT sentence when they are caught....There's no deterent.... With TV..... Prison Officers having to call them Sir.....The only way to combat this is,to send them back to their OWN country to serve their time. About time we stood up to this Government and the EU,and demanded this to be brought into the LAW.
We actually can't lay the blame on the EU. The blame can solely be laid on our own government for insisting we stay in the EU. If the EU are bringing this country to it's knees socially, which it is, then the only solution is to remove ourselves. The majority of us have totally lost faith in the Government. We are kidding ourselves that we in this country are a democracy. The only democracy we have is which liars and traitors to their own we vote in each time. England as a democracy is a farce.
If any foreigners are prosecuted for crime in this country they must be deported; no humane rights, just go back to where you came from.
Surprise surprise, we allow the "gypsies, tramps and thieves" from the eastern bloc into our country, willy nilly, what else do you expect. HEAVEN HELP US.
Simple solution. Any foreigners convicted of an offence punishable with more than 12 months prison has his right to residency in Great Britain rescinded for at least 5 years, send them home. I'd like to see the ECHR categorically state that Britain has a DUTY to accept all the thieving toerag drug addicts from across Europe.....
How good to watch that we Hungarians are not on your list of shame.
London is only the tip of the iceberg - Dear DM, do a freedom of information request re european offenders throughout every police force in the country and see what comes back........ the real story is horrifying.
Please not again, let us out of EU once and for all, Dave and the lot give us our referendum already. When this mockery of EU will end.
Offences ...
our beautiful county has been destroyed and ruined. by the EU, and we are powerless too do anything about it... coming too a town near you soon be ware
And Tony Blair still insists he was a fantastic PM! New Labour has ruined this country by opening the doors to all and sundry! Where do I apply for a visa to emigrate to Australia?
Says something doesn't it that these were the countries under the boot of the USSR for so many years when it must have been a dog eat dog existence. These people were allowed to come here to assist in fostering state sanctioned cheap labour. Not so cheap when you look at some of these statistics. If they're realistic!
Thank you Labour for letting these criminals into our country
Sack this idiot!!
ALL OF THOSE THAT AGREE WITH BERCO AND THERE ARE NOT MANY MUST BE STRANGERS TO WORK AND SHOP FLOOR WORK PLACES TO AGREE WITH SUCH A STUPID IDIOT GET YOUR SELVES A JOB .
Yep I think he should go back to his roots and go and live in Roumania
would be very satisfying to have a one-to-one conversation with this so-called man.
A stupid little man,without an ounce of integrity
No coincidence that his grandparents on the paternal side were Roumanian ?
If they do work harder it is only for the one week they have to work to get an NI Number so they can rob the benefit system
Order!!! Order!!! silence for the member for Poland to speak.
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Isn't it time that this imbeciles local constituency party deselected him before the next general election?
Apart from such a statement being quite possibly illegal these days it is also patently untrue - but then Berk Off is no stranger to that, of course........ Several surveys in recent years have shown that Britons - probably through fear of job losses during a recession - are working the LONGEST hours of anyone in Europe.
my god what a nerve this irritating little prat has got he would not know what a good days work was if it jumped up and bit him
Treason just go's on on on
He made and excellent choice choosing a dimbo wife!
TRAITOR
What does Bercow know about HARD work.--- He has not doen a DAYS hard work ever since he was born
John Bercow, What he saying is, He likes slave labour and just loves low wage's, I have read about a woman with the same name, That has a big month like him, Who was she, I wonder !!!!. You Bercow and people like you, made the Brits lazy, By giving them benefits after benefits just to get votes, Do your job Bercow or give it up, Tax payers are sick of paying wages to no hopers like you.
He and his wife are not good ambassadors for this country and he should not hold his position in the Houses of Parliament when he makes such inane comments...Stupid man,Mr Speakerneeds to be silenced.
Why doesn't he and his wife move to Bucharest.
He, like other MP's have spent too much time in their ivory tower, plus his head is not on his shoulders in at his rear end, but he is not alone there either. It looks like both he and his mrs are loose cannons, they dont think befor ethey speak, so if you have nothing to say then shut up. When you have to work in a proper job he will learn his lesson, but with their "jobs for the boys policy" we should not hold our breath.
I do think he and his mrs are a train wreck....but go to Lincoln ask the nerdowells tha walk around town in their hoodies on benefits ak them to pick veg all day on minimum wage answer would jog on I've got my benefits... Broken Britain in the same wreck as when Bercy met Sally......over to you Nigel.....
order order, thats his days work silly wee man
Then replace him and the rest of that lazy lot in your parliament with them, it would be cheaper, and get more work done
What does this buffoon know?
Correcto! Absolutemente! -- Russel Brand house keeper in LA:-)
Presumptuous arrogance......no change there then.
Bercow's not qualified to pontificate on the concept of hard work which can be defined in numerous ways. Probably considers himself a "thought worker", but his political contribution or indeed a modicum of above average intelligence, has not been evident.
Is this guy some kind of comedian?
Voting UKIP will not help the UK but will help the privileged elite and make the bankers and city traders ecstatic with joy over deregulation, less accountability and much less taxation. UKIP will also massively increase funding for wars in the Middle East that is for wars the British people do not want. UKIP will form a coalition with the current Conservative Party and will mean five more years of this government's official conservative party cabinet politicians running the country. Don't vote UKIP.
He knows a lot about work!!!!
All I can add is both him and his wife are well matched.
Speaking as one who benefits greatly from the public, the hobbit says! - Joe, Guelph, 5/6/2013 15:27 >>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't insult Hobbits! They at least, are nice!
Pity we can't import a whole new government. The one we've got doesn't work!
How would this loud mouth know.
How would this jumped up idiot know what a days work means he has never done one!!!!!!!!
<< Nigel Farage said Bercow was 'a disgrace to the office of Speaker' >>>>>>>>>>> Nice one Nigel and spot-on as usual.
I am a British Expat and self made millionaire and resent the comment made about British workers, I have worked hard ALL my life and am proud of what I have got out of it. Do not tar us all with the same brush Mr Bercow. Most MP's do not have a clue these days, they do not represent the people only try to make a name for themselves, Its the same world over.
Not a man of conviction then is he? After all, he starts as a Conservative MP then marries a Labour activist and suddenly has his wife's way of thinking. He should not be in the job.
Haha if you have seen the program 'Skint' you will believe what he says to be true.
What does Burk-Cow Know, has he ever worked? And no, I don't count politics. Has he ever actually done a real days work with real people? Patronising B******d, he is not worthy to represent a single British Citizen, let alone being in such a responsible position as Speaker of the House!
They rarely pay any tax, but claim all the benefits they can get their hands on. Undercut the British worker who pays his taxes. Bercow you are an idiot. Vote UKIP and save us all from this disaster of a multi cultured society that no one has voted for.
Anyone who is willing to work for next to nothing will never be short of a job!
I'm sick & tired of this anti-English worker rhetoric from people who only sit in parliament for around 150 days in a year & get £65,500 , expenses & a limo paid for by the state for their 'trouble'. Of course that's not nearly enough for them, they think they're worth £100, 000 !!!
And as they head out to work each morning, he and his gobby wife can wave to then from their expensively furnished grace and favour apartment
No mention of his hard working tweeting wife?
That's exactly what migration should be stopped, because they're so poor that they'll work themselves to death, which leads to wages and worker rights - the wages and worker rights the country fought for for hundreds of years - being driven down. Having a race to the bottom is only good for employers.
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Yet another politician who treats the electorate with disdain..............tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock
what a berk-cow
what a disgusting (and stupid) little man he is, showing such contempt for the people he is supposed to protect, sack him now
Well Bercow Insulting us will mean more voters will leave the Tories now.
Even people on benefits work harder than MP's
It's not inherent for English people to be lazy, England and its people was once a country to be proud of. I wonder how many English people are proud to be English. Could the politicians be partly responsible for this.
And how would he know?
Your comments:Maybe he can be replaced by a European worker on minimium wage and Cameron to
and just how exactly would Bercow know this?!?!?
You speak for yourself Mr Speaker.
They certainly work harder than MP's - and for less money too!
They certainly work harder than MP's - and for less money too!
They get the jobs because they work for less than half the going rate, live ten to a room and in addition either steal or draw benefits or both at the same.
How the people of Buckingham can vote for this overbearing, jumped up little pipsqueak I don't know. He is an embarrassment to the nation...and his wife?...well..the mind boggles. If this is really the best we can do, as the first commoners in the land, then God help us all.
Revolution now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vote UKIP for the sake of the entire country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is an over paid, under talented little berk that we would all be much better off without!
Bercow is a Berk and his wife is a cow.
Who does he think he is, him and Sally. Thought he's meant to keep his thoughts to himself otherwise what are we paying him for not to mention his wish to increase his wages by £20k. British people have had enough of British injustice, lack of morals and selfishness within its own government to preach to us how hard we work. Sort the country out first, that includes the NHS, we were fine 20 years ago so you tell me
This man shouldn't even be allowed to come out with sheissen like this along with the other highway robbers in the current Government I suggest he takes his comments and his wife and goes to live in whatever other Country would have him. These people are the absolute limit the sooner UKIP get in and these freeloaders get out the better.
How would he know, he probably never had a proper job.
The problem is: they work in UK but dont spend in UK! They work few years & take the cash back to home countries where buying a house (or mansion) is VERY CHEAP. So, after 10 years work in UK, they are comparitively "super rich/upper class" back in original countries (eg East Europe, Philipines, or other place) . Whereas British people need to earn a wage which can buy a house & future in expensive UK!!!
what stupid logic from mr bercow! how could this possibly benefit Britain? this just puts more Britons on the dole , with no hope of employment, while the bosses have cheap labour. this politician , like so many, has given up on his countrymen and betrayed the working classes. he should be fighting for better wages and conditions for british workers, like his party was created for , not betraying them.
And Mr Bercow expects those he admonishes to vote for him and his party?...think not matey
Can't they be good for their own countries. We'll cope.
Does that include Politicians, Sir BERCOW
Does that include Politicians, Sir BERCOW
Time this ignorant dwarf was put to the lions. Just how is he able to carry on in this medieval role without anyone able to chastise him or him to be sacked?
Why insult the people who are paying you salary? And expenses of course
SO ALL THOSE RECEIVEING COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF BENEFITS AND LIVING IN THE LAP OF THOSE VERY EXPENSIVE HOUSES ALL ON THE TAX PAYER AND THOUSANDS OF OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN CLAIMING BENEFITS AND HAVE NEVER HAD A JOB ARE GOOD FOR US ARE THEY? BLOCKING UP SCHOOLS HOSPITALS AND HOUSING LISTS? THAT IS GOOD FOR US IS IT? TREVOR MCDONALD SHOWED A POLISH WOMAN WORKING PART TIME AS A CLEANER WITH A COUNCIL FLAT AND TWO CHILDREN IS VALUE FOR MONEY IS IT MR BURKE!
And I wonder what Belcows work ethic is like. Vote UKIP and get rid of these parasites.
You just have to take one look at the current Government to know that he speaks the truth - at least in the circles he operates in.....
No body worker harder at fiddling his expenses than Bercow!!
And nobody can work harder at funneling tax cash into their own accounts better than parasite politicians.
We should put them in Parliament then should'nt we?
Why on earth would un-educated people choose to work in menial un-skilled jobs, when they can make a good living on state welfare, living in a free house, and spending their life in the pub and on the sofa?
Shove off Bercow you backstabbing worm.
Weird little runt bercow, isn't he? I know a lot of Polish people with enviable work ethics, but I don't think he was visiting Poland was he? He loves his political correctness, bercow, and he is not fit to be speaker.
Not nearly as hard working as Mrs Bercow's twitter account or her lawyers
employers don't give work to the british first because they would have to pay more
what an odious little toad Mr, Bercow is, he and his wife deserve one another , but we the British electorate deserve neither of the two.I suppose he considers his speakers job as hard work ,sitting on his a--e all day, he wouldn't know what a real hard days work is.
The Speaker of the House of Commons used to be a position filled by people one could admire, such as George Thomas and Betty Boothroyd. How did this person get appointed? I will never understand why he was given the job.
They could probably do a better and cheaper job than this goon.
What a absolute idiot this man is, he should shut his big mouth and try to keep his wife under control before making stupid statements like this... idiot
What would this idiot know? Do they all live around him, is that where he gets his evidence or does his dippy wife tell him what to say.
I got to ask you dm , whats that red line at the left hand side of my comment ?. am I getting to many things right .
Idiot ! It's just one thing after another with these two, if it isn't his wife saying things that she shouldn't then you can rely on the Speaker of the House of Commons to put his foot in his mouth, and to continue to try to utter inanities around it.
In that case Mr Bercow-we can stop all benefits given to them and they canpay for their health treatment etc. Then we British can have our taxes lowered can not be so down trodden!!
Okay Mr.Bercow if they work so much harder that Britons let¿s see them replace all the lazy, scrounging idiots in parliament and we¿ll start with your job shall we? No? Thought not. Now crawl back under your rock you odious little man. - Voice of sanity, Wolverhampton, NaN/NaN/NaN NaN:NaN dont worry, mate. it will soon happen when we become part of the impending federal europe.
thats hillarious as my first week at a perfume packing place i was told by the supervisor that i alone had done twice as much work in one day than eight polish workers had done all week .
This man is a total disgrace to his position. Engage brain before opening mouth comes to mind he and his wife have a lot in common
His name is John? I always thought he was a Richard!!! *innocent face*
What he means in reality they like cheap nanny's and other domestics for the "Elite" which he is deluded he is, I have a funny feeling he is going to come to a sticky end
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much. - D Page , Ronda, Spain, 05/6/2013 15:53 DM complained & took of my comment for calling him a Berk! Pathetic newspaper.
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much.
The Speaker has spoken, and once again forgot to engage brain, and he costs us how much.
this clown has no idea no sense no integrity what a complete t t totaly unfit for his post or any thing else
Delman, 666 London. Yup, baseball or rounders as you call it is a girly game. It's so easy to dive into say first or second base to avoid the tag, what's a few bloody scrapes along the gravel. Now go from third base to home to score the run. No problem, you've only that 250 lb catcher in the way. If you collide, think train wreck or brick wall, if you can think. And don't get hit by the ball. because if you do the urge to scream expletives will be overwhelming. The only thing more overwhelming will be the pain. In future please refrain from postings on which you apparently know little or nothing about. To the ladies, no insult intended, many of you play a damn fine game of ball, whether softball or hardball.
The trouble is Mr Bercow, your job isn't at risk from them ,mine is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Save the UK Vote UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Having advertised for a job well above minimum wage and not getting a single response from the thousands of our own Brits without a job..... I'd say I agree- DingDong, London, 5/6/2013 8:28.....You probably looked for someone who can speak a different language.
John Bercow. the despicable. But friend of UKIP. He looks and acts like a spoilt child anyway. He and, for instance, Vince Cable, besides holding their fellow countrymen in contempt, don't know what they are talking about and perpetrate a deep betrayal of hard working people.
He has just insulted the british people here, are we going to just stand here and take it. The Best remedy is to prove that is not the case, and throw those words back in his face. Who is with me?
anybody works harder than this slug, he is an overpaid idiot witha wife who laughs at him, plank..... anyway what would he know of the real world idiot,..
DISGUSTING STATEMENT......so so typical of our MPs.....who do LESS work than the average UK Taxpayer......
Just like British soldiers in WW2, stopping in the middle of battle to take afternoon tea, like it was a cricket match. - Have a nice day, New York City, United States, 5/6/2013 13:43 = well they needed a cuppa after fighting alone for a few years , you dont need a break when you have only just turned up do you >>>seriously do you belive that guff ???? like your troops they would have been told to stand down and rest up , this involves for the british a cup of tea , for the americans a coffee ...you dont fight 24/7 your unit is used and then rested , get it right and do NOT disrespect ALL soldiers with your stupid comments ..im sure a day vet from new york will put you right , someone who landed on the day and fought the war not someone who rocked up after and was (as you say) in the rear with the gear
I've seen John Bercow at "work" first hand, I'll say no more.
Let me just go an tell the Polish down my street who don't work that they're apparently hard workers.
Speaking as one who benefits greatly from the public, the hobbit says!
Everytime he opens his big mouth someone should put their foot in it.
When you think of the Speakers we have had in the past - Fitzroy, Wetherill, Boothroyd to name but three, how on earth did we get lumbered with the last two? I thought Martin was bad enough, but Bercow takes the phrase "Insipid little creep" to a whole new level. What do these people have against the British - and what does it say about our MPs that this is the type of person they select as Speaker???
Another gem from the manual of leadership? Not the one I knew, Never belittle your people, or discourage them. Give praise and encourage them. We get IDS belittling the poor for not marrying well and dragging themselves off £53 quid a week. UK Plc certainly is under the cosh - no carrots. beat them more they will perform. The only mistake the British people made was believing the lies by 'professional' politicians with little or no life or work experience.
The party of the working classes........shows how little they really think of their core voters....another reason to vote UKIP
What does he know about hard work ?
this is an insult to hard working british people.
Another pompous overblown politician.
You people are all so small minded....
Fine let's all vote them in as mp's ,most people work harder than the shower that we have .
They also work harder than MP's but then again so does everybody else
I am currently working with a Brit and she is one of the hardest workers I know. I have lived and worked in the UK as well, and I have never encountered a lazy bad worker in any of them. Maybe Bercow needs to get to know some of his own people first.
You mean they are willing to work for less so your fat cat mates get richer......lets save money on your job Bercrow I bet I can find someone willing to do your job for 50% less then you get paid......
That's rich coming from the man who doesn't do any work.
its very easy to say this because yes they look like they work more but they dont, the ones over here have come over to WORK yet what about the others that have stayed behind in there own country, does their government spill out the same garbage to them when they see the british over there that are in there country to work and work they do. vote ukip for change.
Bercow is a traitor.
A stupid little man who just can't himself acting the idiot
that says it all doesn't it on what these fools in parliament really think about the British indeginous population. Stand up folks and do something. - AcrossthePond , ex pat, United States, 05/6/2013 14:34 ************************* What? Like you did? Running away to America?
Compared to M:Ps they are certainly are haeder workers. Not hard when you compare them to people who do little or no work
They may or may not work harder. But a generation of British kids will be left on the sidelines because of his ilk.
It's about time we had people in our Houses of Parliament who actually have respect for the people of Britain whom they are purported to serve.
Bercow, what do you know about 'hard work' ?
His views are as left wing as the woman he is married to.
And they all vote Labour, dont they, Mr Disgraceful Speaker. You know, the ones who your party keep in benefits for all their lives whilst here in this country. No wonder you love them so much, but being in Rumania, you would say that, wouldnt you? I bet you would endorse Mr Putins arms agreement with Syria if he gave you and your wife a free holiday.
And still liebour run down the working man. VOTE UKIP FROM NOW ON.
John Bercow a prat married to a prat has no idea about the reality of jobs not available a 16 year old cant get a job without a licence to work in construction which he has trained for until he is 18 then he cant get the same job until he has experience and the money to pay for said licence! the government has put up more stop signs than anyone else to stop school leavers working forcing them to take unpaid work on government schemes but they are not in the trade you have been trained in. Berc-ow is a prat people want jobs they want work but BLAIR screwed that importing untrained electricians and plumbers who put lives at risk from countries who dont care if they can do the work legally and BLAIR says the dodgy qualification's are OK
that says it all doesn't it on what these fools in parliament really think about the British indeginous population. Stand up folks and do something.
This set people have never had any loyalty to the true British.
Hahaha dozey little man. Lets face it, our feckless benefits scroungers give more to society than he does.
He should resign immediately!
Stupid little man! I know lots of (particularly young) people who would love to have a job, but they just aren't given a chance. It's okay for him to get on his high horse and talk such rubbish, he who has such a well paid, fairly secure (and perhaps relatively easy?) job.
The trouble is, he only has the House of Commons to compare them with!
Well it's good to see the frustrated, unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys, the New York Giants etc...soccer is played by girls. The U.S. soccer team won the world soccer cup twice under Mia Ham. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 12:05 = rioght ok , heresa some education for you ..soccer is an italian word , its not a british word and seeing as we INVENTED football it would seem that your wrong , secondly , your game is derived from rugby and therefore was invented AFTER britian invented football , thridly , foot - ball , its short hand for how you play it , NOT chuking to your mate who then catches it and runs with it craddled in his arms , thats rugby NOT football ...rounder is played by girls in the UKM , but you seem to have grown men playing it and calling it base ball
Great Britain has too many David Camerons ! But we only have one Nigel Farage, Bring him on!
That statement sounds Rich coming from him when you consider all MP¿s now work less hours have more holidays,You¿re a Hypocrite Bercow.
Bercow ought to be reamed BURK COW what and insidious little pr**t he is !
Bercow nor any other MP have a right to comment on hard work. They sponge for a living.
That's because we're not given the chance, especially under 21s.
This is misleading but there is an element of truth. Because of the post war Socialist education there are around 25% of school leavers who have levels of numeracy and literacy that handicaps them when it comes to employment,. But worse than that they have been given the entitlement ethic'. so their failings are every one else¿s fault and they may be fodder for Union employment of Local Authorities but they lose in life's chances. We have a large UK contingent in our Netherlands office and they are industrious, flexible and work exceptionally well in a team environment ( much better than the Dutch) But we all feel sorry for the Labour Legions with poor prospects.
Clueless!! I thought that Speakers had to be apolitical! This worm and his shameless wife are a disgrace.
"unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys etc...soccer is played by girls." - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 12:05 ------- How about the fact that baseball is a girls' game? Schoolgirls play it over here. It's called Rounders.
The ignorant views of Bercow just back from his lovely lazy long holiday, calling the british workers ,thats why thousands more eastern europeans are to be allowed into UK next year and the tory government probally has the same views as Bercow.
During the 2009 parliamentary expenses scandal, it was revealed that Bercow changed the designation of his second home on more than one occasion ¿ meaning that he avoided paying capital gains tax on the sale of two properties. He also claimed just under £1,000 to hire an accountant to fill in his tax returns. Bercow denied any wrongdoing, but agreed to pay £6,508 to cover any tax that he may have had to pay to HM Revenue and Customs.
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs. - bar , notts, 05/6/2013 13:14 =============================================================================== Deluded , ignorant, Your comment deserve a barrage of red arrows..............Oh and you did not spell embarrassing correctly.....
I take it Bercow is using himself as the measuring stick. It wouldn't be difficult to work harder than him an 90% of the MPs
What a load of piffling tosh and a gross generalisation!! Some of us who live in Britain are used to be being called names by various politicians over the years to support their politican ends. I know that during my working life in London, I worked far harder than this politician ever has, and probably ever will. His comments are just to support the social experiment which politicians and the EU are committed to.
So is there not a case for paying a bonus to those on benefits who work at fruit picking time etc rather than having others take the money?
As a leading actor in a pantomime what does Mr Speaker know about work?
This is coming from a man who has probally never done a days work in his life.
This no doubt includes the beggers and those lying around marble arch!
Bercow would be most welcome to discuss this theory in many of the high unemployment areas in the country. The hospitality he can expect might just change his attitude!
Bercow said, 'if you're willing to travel to another country to find a job, you're likely to work harder' It may well not be popular, but it's is correct
This man is a plonker! I know of many English/British who are hard workers. An unfair thing to say sir.
This means then that Mr Bercow includes himself and Parliament as well. Sack him. - spike01, rotherham, 05/06/2013 12:25 Hahaha I like this comment, yes very true
when you're sharing the rent and bills with a dozen others you don't mind earning a bit less, it's twice what they'd earn back home anyway, then they send the rest back home !!!
Oh Bercow perhaps you should try a hard day of work you silly little prat Vote UKIP
they definetly work harder than MPs
Does he even know what work is? Just ignore him and he will go away I find him laughable as I have no respect for him or what he thinks.
Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater comes to mind here. Hes 100% CORRECT.
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs. - bar , notts, 05/6/2013 13:14 =============================================================================== Deluded , ignorant, Your comment deserve a barrage of red arrows..............Oh and you did not spell embarrassing correctly.....
Just like British soldiers in WW2, stopping in the middle of battle to take afternoon tea, like it was a cricket match.
Maybe we need to get rid of our home bred politicians and import them from abroad. Bye bye Mr Bercow you're as dopey as your missus.
Seems like he is purposely trying to provoke a reaction to give momentum to the holier than thou political class's attack on public opinion. Do not fall for it...keep calm and carry on. He knows he betrays us with these words..so it must have been ''accidentally on purpose''!
How was the English managed before.
How was the English manage before.
I wish people would shut up about this rubbish, this might be the case down south but it certainly is not the case in the North East where people have always had to graft hard to earn a living.
My bathroom was done by polish builders, they were total cowboys and everything that could be done wrong - was.terribke quality and workmanship. I also getting sick if polish presuming I dont know their swear words and shouting it every opportunity they can!
He needs firing UKIP for me
Needs to get out more.
An amoeba that has produced nothing of import makes scurrilous accusations against decent people and is still voted for. What is the average IQ in the UK now?
Just like his missus!
Wonder how we managed before they came. A days work would kill this little man.
A perfect example for a public vote on recall.....remember MP's voted him into office.The public should be given the choice to vote him out.
An amoeba that has produced nothing of import makes scurrilous accusations against decent people and is still voted for. What is the average IQ in the UK now?
This means then that Mr Bercow includes himself and Parliament as well. Sack him.
Is it a physical impossibility for this fool to keep his mouth SHUT!!!!
It hurts I know but he is speaking the truth here. I watched a programme on television a few years ago which demonstrated just this fact. It was embarassing. You could bend over backwards trying to help out of work Brits but they will always remain workshy, which is why they are out of work anyway and nothing to do with lack of jobs.
"I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34" ................. You have absolutely no idea. Those of us fortunate to have jobs in this climate work damn hard to hold onto them. Whilst I would not generalise a complete nation as you seem to do, those E Europeans you hold in such high regard in the US are possibly not those that have chosen to bleed the UK dry - friendly, hard working and law-abiding? Don't make me laugh! 'Finders Keepers' is most definitely in their moral code, regardless of where they 'found' it!!
Mr Bercow. Must I remind you that this is not a question of race, it is a question of space. And that is a commodity we do not have.
Perhaps Mr Bercow's knowledge of British workers is limited to MPs. Which makes him right doesn't it?!
Does that include the travelling community.
How the hell would Bercow know as he has never worked a day in his life. he also earns more than the Prime Minister .... for what?
British are lazy just like dads army
POISON DWARF
Why are we not shocked? Paid by the public, answers to the public? I think not! The PM should have him removed in the national interest, and because he is pointless!
I'd like Bercow and his silly wife to emigrate to Eastern Europe for a long, long time. There they could find real work with people they admire.
End this madness it does not seem that a day goes by now without a politician does not slate us for not following their 'doctrine' and they have forgotten "they work for us" (mass propaganda) apparently and that in a democracy we can oppose their views i.e. yesterday we had the Lib Dem MP calling all green deniers 'dangerous' and Cameron calling UKIP Supporter 'Loonies' all because he wants to remain in the EU. I have been a member of the Conservative Party since 2002 and I am about to join UKIP the big three monopoly must come to an end they hold us in complete contempt with dissonance and I am sick of it. If we have 'movement' of free Labour can we not place a Polish man in Bercows job? a Dutch man in Osbornes job? an Italian in Hague's job and vote them after all this would be democracy and the laws of the EU being enforced properly but then again the 'movement of free LABOUR' is only applicable to the prolateriat
All the MPs are on benefits and expenses, yet never work very hard. Time this Bercow gave up his free company flat and joined the working world.
A talking Gnome ???????????????
Lots are, plenty aren't. Of course he may be comparing them to his lazy wife who seems to do nothing except behave like an exhibitionist.
What chance do we have when the powers that be are against us? We are doomed!!!
said it from the start, we have a left wing speaker! how can you have a "speaker" with political bias
If it's true, then they would be better working hard in their own countries and getting their own industries booming. We have had a brain drain in this country for years and it would seem that Poland and similar countries are now suffering a brawn drain. All the Brits I know have worked hard since before leaving school and have continued to work into their 40's. I don't know any scroungers and there are very few jobs here for Polish workers as most positions are picked up by hard working locals.
Harder working???? when did doing a 40 hour week gambling in bookies with there benefit money become hardwork!!!!! Open your eyes and get real!!!! - luckylooloo22 , Stoke On Trent, 05/6/2013 12:20 ----- haha bookies around aldershot are full of elderly nepelese paying there pensions into the machines
Praise all you want Bercow! You have no idea what these people you support say about you. Probably the same as this: Someone I know went to an employment agency up North. Having asked for an application form, one member of staff turned to the other and said "Typical English ***". She had no idea that the lady with this person could speak Polish. Think on Mr!
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******. - Angryscouse, Bristol, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 12:24 _________________________ All of the things you say may well be true except one.......Berk Off was made Speaker by the LABOUR Party..........The Tories protested at the time but were overruled.
Speak for yourself and that worthless wife of yours!
Will somebody please smack this stupid man around the head. I am not lazy and was around when Britain was great. It's idiots like him who got this once great nation in a mess.
Apart from the statement being quite possibly illegal it is patently untrue, since several recent surveys have shown that Britons - quite probably because of fear of job losses during a recession - have been working the LONGEST hours of any country in Europe.
Won't be any of yer proper British there soon, considering almost anyone can just turn up now have a kid waive a British passport around . Glad I'm no longer there. By the way I'm an Englishman .
That's the small fraction who actually work, what about the ones who claim and are still claiming unemployment benefits?!
VOTE UKIP AND KICK EM IN TOUCH TOUCH
TRAITOR TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
there is a generation of young lazy English folks it starts from a young age first they don't respect there own family so they don't like authority so they skip school which means no respect and no education coupled with the benefits the English people get and throw in the mix and of beer and drugs equals lazy English people
I don't think it's so much that we are lazy, just that the world has changed and the population hasn't caught up yet. Brits (also Europeans and Americans) tend to work smarter and need less supervision, but expect high wages for it. Residents of the emerging countries usually had to work hard even to get to college and when they get good jobs they graft their butts off to succeed. In most of the Pacific Rim, for example, the results of not making it in the job market are sleeping on the streets around them, while here you just have a few kids and you're on the gravy train.. When Western people start to understand that they need to work to live we'll start to prosper again. Until then the decline will continue.
Bercow's comment constitutes a race hate crime and he should be prosecuted accordingly.
Ber-cow by name Ber-cow by nature which comes from the rear end. Albert of Alvelon
Ber-cow by name Ber-cow by nature which comes from the rear end. Albert of Alvelon
Why do so many if British politicians HATE the British people so much - Willow, Down Town, 5/6/2013 11:53 ____________________________ Fear.
No you idiot, what they are is CHEAPER workers, and everyone knows this game now, Let's look at the situation, - no water, no money, no jobs and now (they say) no food. And still our deranged, imbecilic masters want more people to come and settle here.
UKIP in next election it's the only way to keep Britain on it's feet !
It is a shame that this man did not use good old fashion commonsense before he opened his mouth. To me he is what is bad about politicians how he was ever made speaker of the house I will never understand. Is Mr. Bercow in favour of cheap labour but the taxpayer foots the bill for supplying more education, medical and housing to the newcomers.
Me and mrs bercow should move to Eastern Europe!
tell that to the many victims of crime brought in from the E.M EURO MESS by politician's who don't give two hoots for the voter who put them there. POLITICIAN'S ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE ? NEXT JOKE
come to newcastle and tell me to my face im lazy and dont work hard you silly little pratt
The truth hurts....unfortunately we are lazy!
TIME FOR YOU TO GO YOU SILLY MAN - YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE REAL WORLD !!
NOT HARDER WORKERS,CHEAP WORKERS,JUST WHAT THE TORIES LIKE.IF YOU CAN DO A JOB IN UK CHEAPER THAN BRITISH WORKERS THEN YOU ARE WECOME TO COME AND WORK,AS OUR BRITS CHARGE TO MUCH.YOU PATHETIC CAMALOON TORIES.
The whole POINT of being a wealthy country like the UK is that we don't have to work all hours to survive. It's taken centuries to achieve this, but if politicians have their way we'll go back to working (and living) like we did a hundred years ago!
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******.
Thats becuase you pay and reward British people for not working with houses, free cash, free dentist care, free eye treatment free school dinners, free central heating systems, free council tax etc etc....
And everyone else in the country works harder than you, you fat Lazy Greedy Tory B******.
more money in your slimey pockets eh! robber...and your fool missus
Harder working???? when did doing a 40 hour week gambling in bookies with there benefit money become hardwork!!!!! Open your eyes and get real!!!!
again....one more reason NEVER TO VOTE TORY AGAIN. - MrJolly, Chorley Lancashire England Voiting UKiP, 5/6/2013 11:58 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He was voted into the position of Speaker by LABOUR!
Thankfully this is another idiot that will be gone when UKIP get in at the next election.
And Bercow knows all about hard work doesn't he? The fool's never had a proper job!
Dey took our jeerrrrrbs!
WHAT DOES BERCOW KNOW ABOUT HARD WORK? JUST ANOTHER JUMPED UP SELF CENTRED PARASITE
Please someone remove this man from his position.
Jenny, Edinburgh..... I think it is rather unrealistic to believe that company's would actually re-locate to another country due to workforce productivity, when there are so many qualified British citizens who are looking for work. Perhaps a more realistic account would be more to do with profits? It is no great secret that those who go over to Britain from Europe and seek work are more than happy to undercut the pay of the very people who have been doing the work for many years. Sad but true.
His mouth is as slack as his stupid wife's - they would both do better to shut up and keep their views to themselves. Save a lot of legal fees too that way. Daft pair.
Well it's good to see the frustrated, unemployed Brits only disagree with me on the point that the girly game they play isn't called soccer. Of course it's called soccer you dupes, football is played by the Dallas Cowboys, the New York Giants etc...soccer is played by girls. The U.S. soccer team won the world soccer cup twice under Mia Ham.
Shame the rest of Europe didn't show there great work ethic when 'ze Germans' were attacking. Needed us 'bone idle' Brits didn't you. British people are simply smarter so we just feel deserving of better jobs and not manual labour rubbish
The man's totally deluded, is calling him a 5 king idiot abusive? His statement is abusive towards British citizens.
A little man with a small mind and big stupid mouth!
again....one more reason NEVER TO VOTE TORY AGAIN.
How on Earth would this overgrown garden Gnome have the faintest idea what hard work looks like? His only hard work is inventing new expenses claims and keeping his idiot wife from making him look even more useless than he already is!!.
I would just love to see Bercow do a year in a proper job with normal wages and having to pay his own bills.....
I agree with him and it's based on my own experience. I previously worked in a university and the British students had no interest in building their work experience and gaining valuable skills. The international students however, were always at the careers service, trying to find out as much as possible and taking on a lot of work. Employers also stated that they preferred the international students and that British students would be on their phone all the time, not complete work and show up late. We would be asked by employers all the time to only advertise to international students, which of course legally we cannot do. When legislation changed and it became more difficult for international student to work after graduation, many employers told us this would affect their business greatly. Some even saying they were thinking of moving away from the UK. I know that university students are only a small portion of society, but I do think the British laziness is a big problem.
So we lazy British know exactly who NOT to vote for next time it comes up don't we.
Why do so many if British politicians HATE the British people so much
Explains why all the local farmers use picking gangs made up of every nationality but British, as one was quoted about Brits last year- few apply and none last a couple of days.
This from someone riding on the gravy train.
The man is mad and not worthy of such high office.
Hmm. Benefiting Britian... ??? How.. ??? Or do you mean.. over 3m Brits on on Benefits That costing the country a fortune... He is Totally Out of Touch in his rent free Ivory Tower at the Palace of Westminister...
On what does Bercow base his comment? He has no right to speak, as he is just another posh boy who has never even had a proper job. Buffoon.
If they are so hard working why are their own countries not booming with industry and world class manufacturing output? What did they do before the borders were opened? just sit about idle?
Hark at this dwarf . Which one of the seven is he . Dopey ??
Not just a dwarf, but a little one at that.
Say what you like,I have a Polish man working for me and after 30 years of English construction workers I´ll settle for the Pole anytime.On time,reliable,good work,better than the German workers here and the English also.Red arrow me if you will but sadly its a fact,we have too many lazy people because we give too many free benefits away!! - Las Palmas 123, Munchen, Germany, 5/6/2013 10:48 And how much an hour do you pay him??
lets not kid ourselves the majority of labour that has come to these shores is not the skilled that we were promised that would fill any skills shortages here. its the unskilled masses that have come and employers are taking advantage of it for there own profits. all this talk of them being harder workers is a whitewash. find who they are and start boycotting them
Bercow has just broken the law. Discrimination is illegal. Sort it Westminster before very angry Brits who want work sort you.
Well lets face it everyone works harder then Bercow.
That's right Mr Bercow....now take your medication...it will to keep you out of touch with reality and stop you thinking about what Sally might do next. Then...if you're a very good boy, you can sit on that Commons chair...you know...the one that makes you look so very tall and really, really big and important!
I think he's got a cheek for someone who sits in a chair for a few hours a day shouting oder every now and the.
Typical stupidity from a politician who has no idea what he 's talking about and doesn't live in the real world, if you haven't got anything intelligent or relevant to say Mr Bercow i suggest you shut your ignorant mouth.
Have found Daves E Mail and just sent him my views hope he reads them
what a stupid statement from the silly know nowt little man:
Can someone please ask him how he knows this ,is it from personal experience or is it based on hearsay from friends and other politicians? Evidence is not exactly clear but then we are talking about a Bercow!Seems he has learnt nothing from his wife's stupid utterances.Car crash family.
How would he know ?
So Bercow! When you were up for election and after votes, did you tell your constituents they were all lazy and benefit scroungers, No thought you didn't. About time we all voted UKIP because non of the parties we have now have your interests at heart
By Britons I assume he means lazy British MP's who make sloths look like workaholics
well someone who actually chose sally bercow as a wife and mother of his children and can actually stomach her company every day really shouldn't be in a position to say anything really oily little twit
did nt take your job did they sunshine ......
Why is it that people like him are always ready to run British people down, in his position it is disgraceful. I just wish this arrogant little man living of the taxpayer would disappear and take his self seeking odious wife with him.
well perhaps this avaricious parasite can do without his housekeeper and lead by example
Bercow go and live in one of your favoured countries then.Whats stopping you? Oh yes, would really have to slog for a pittance chairs and perks not allowed Off you go now you know you want to!
bill. Lowestoft 11.05 I always email Cameron the 10 downing st web site
Do you think he is spending to much time with his dopey useless wife,Yes,,Me to
#!@#king idiot
Bercow should be made to start work at 6am in the morning sweeping the streets for a month or two, maybe then he would have some idea of what the word work means.
Why is this idiot the Speaker?
Yes that's right it is very hard working of them to get down the benefits office to steal what they are not entitled to and it's exhausting getting drunk and making trouble and as for the effort it takes to pick-pocket and steal what's not theirs they should be given a holiday on us for the effort they put in to that.
This odious little creep hasn't a clue what the word "work" means.
Anything this pipsqueak of a man utters' should be ignored. He is only spouting his (Labour)Party line.
Bercow went to university and then became a politician. he has never done a hard days work in his entire life. i have no idea what he thinks gives him the right to say something like this...
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34 -------- And just what would you know about it. I'd shut up if I were you, or should we suggest flooding your country with many thousands of hard working, friendly, law-abiding Mexicans. No I thought not.
what about the ones that come here and dont work there costing us more then wot goes in ie nhs,benifits if they aint workin kick them out save millions that way
So if they are such good workers why did he not advise them to stay in their own country and make it the Eldorado of the EU?
Dwarf boy.
tez65 Leicester 1056. Glad you have just E Mailed Dave . Cannot find EMail Address for dave anywhere any chance of putting it on comments ???????????????
Mr Bercow as usual you should wipe your mouth with toilet paper, in your case you need it both ends. Obviously you haven't spent much time in other countries, except on Holidays, other wise you would know what a lazy shower most of them are.
Mr Bercow as usual you should wipe your mouth with toilet paper, in your case you need it both ends. Obviously you haven't spent much time in other countries, except on Holidays, other wise you would know what a lazy shower most of them are.
If I'd voted for him I'd be ashamed and embarrassed.
This useless man and his useless wife have never done a hard days work in their lives he is typical politician speak before engaging the brain. Horrible little man
Yes, that's why the get all the jobs.
I believe that he originates from eastern Europe as do many of our esteemed MP's of all the three main parties and house of Lords.
I should imagine that his constiuents are very annoyed by his remarks, pity he cannot be given a vote of no confidence by them.
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!! - Mike , Essex, 05/6/2013 10:36 ------ You forget, Mike, politicians don't need qualifications. Bercow proves the point. With the right spin, any gobby, egotistical, dimwit can become an MP.
Does he know every worker personally to support this non neutral view? can he provide us with proof? How many does he actually work with then? He certainly doesn't seem to mind being kept in his comfy lifestyle by brit taxpayers though. Perhaps we should replace him & all the mps for lower paid eu staff who might show more loyalty to those who pay their wages. The pro eu pr will include knocking brit workers. But then uk just accept it & just moan abit. Perhaps there should be more honest conversation with those who live in the real world about which workers they prefer. Those who benefit personally from the eu have all the public platforms & will do everything to keep it. Lower wages & less rights, & buy to let has increased & rents have gone up with demand. Wonder if any mps are benefiting from this? For those on here who agree with his remarks, appearing to be located in the uk, often from the london area. Do you personally include yourselves as being inferior workers then?
Bercow? that a welsh name?
C'mon people pity him,after all look what he is married to!
The Poisoned Dwarf said, " The media views, do not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." That is correct you Self Serving little IDIOT. THEY REFLECT THE VIEWS AND CONCERNS OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. Another example, of how out of touch the political elite are, with the British Electorate. Vote UKIP.
I am sick of this odious little man so I have just emailed call me Dave at number 10 telling him what I think, Don't suppose it will do much but at least I feel better, hope more do the same.
Years ago British people did do these jobs to earn a few extra quid. Nowadays it is often more profitable to sit on your backsides and claim benefits. The question that needs to be answered is..Who created this situation and allowed cheap Labour to undercut what the British people were earning Mr. Bercow? - paul, gillingham, 5/6/2013 10:27 >>>>>>> What about all of the hidden unemployed who are and have been searching for work since redundancy? What about those British in their late forties onward and up to what would have been regarded as retirement age. Do they not deserve to have a job too? What about all of the greedy over sixty fives who still occupy a position which could be filled by a young British person? Do our young not deserve a fair deal and a future too? Do the British believe they can no longer think for themselves or make decisions anymore? Everybody, apart from the British people, appear to know what's best for them. UK = Dystopia
PARASITE
no Impact on housing, schools, transport, nhs, future liabilities such as pensions..... WAKE UP. This is a fix (apparent) for today a MAJOR problem for tomorrow! - jjkh , Herts, 05/6/2013 10:19 ----------- Surely you don't expect Bercow to think of these things. For that he would need a brain which he clearly lacks as he doesn't realise his position as Speaker requires a neutral position on all thing political. He should be removed from office and replaced with somebody who is and isn't so gobby.. He won't be as they are all in it together, aren't you Dave.
How would Bercow know? He wouldn't know a hard days work if it hit him in the face.
The man is definitely right. Well said.
What would John Bercow know about hard work? He has never done a day's work in his life. Damned cheek!!
Well said Mr Bercow a true Tory if ever there was one.As Cameron said Britain couldn't survive without cheap labour and hard workers comeing from all the EU eastern Block countries.Why do u think we needed to join the EU in the first place Margret T had to get rid of the unions and high labour costs.Company bosses should only pay what they think workers are worth.It was dragging Britain down.Besides we can get all we need much cheaper from EU countries.Tory values will put the ordinary people in poverty,but Britain will be strong?
All we need to do is agree a family swap treatise. A family arrive in the country and get jobs, we stop benefits for one local family. Over time no one who wants to be employed is unemployed and no one receives benefits.
Sky news was running a story last night about EU referendum poll in which it showed 51% wants to get out of EU and 49% doesn't want to. Now what is to follow is the interesting part of this silly poll. Guess how many samples were used? Just 1600 people and they are telling as though the whole country has voted for this silly poll. When we have Idiots like this Bercow and new channels like them, we do not need anymore enemies.
Say what you like,I have a Polish man working for me and after 30 years of English construction workers I´ll settle for the Pole anytime.On time,reliable,good work,better than the German workers here and the English also.Red arrow me if you will but sadly its a fact,we have too many lazy people because we give too many free benefits away!!
"It's the same as our local 99p Store - the job adverts are placed in the shop window and are ONLY in Polish - there are no English translations. We need a level playing field for those who want to work and deserve a job. - sd, uk, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 10:22" This is illegal. Report this to your local council. Report this to your MP. Boycott the store. Unless we start bombarding the people WE PAY to "govern" this country, they will continue to walk all over us/ignore us. Sadly, though, it is the British way to tut and roll our eyes, rather than complain and protest. Whilst I do not have a lot of time for the French, at least they protest - and how! - if they are unhappy about something!
Yep I am sure some are, but also as we have no points system and anyone can come here I have only witnessed and known of violence, drunkenness, driving without insurance or licence and drunk, littering, lots of terrible anti social behaviour, and the destruction of communities. I am sure some are hard workers, however we have not just let in the hard workers have we.
Pity they are not so hard working in their own countries. I have stayed in these countries and seen jobs which should take a couple of weeks drag into months or even years. The reason may be something to do with the fact that although there may be a dozen guys officially on the job, you are lucky to see even one working. The rest will be sitting smoking, chatting or looking - no matter what time of the day you pass them
Answer Time for UKIP
The Speaker has spoken...and what a load of tosh. He would be better placed concentrating on family matters and leaving the important issues of the day alone
Well after that comment I am voting UKIP
Not the most sensible comments to make by the speaker, but then he is always putting his foot in his rather large mouth.
HAHA, who is this complete idiot, typical rich wasp attitude, if they work so hard go over there then so they can work so hard in their own country and take this fool with you
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!! - Mike, Essex, 05/06/2013 09:36 AM Try getting some qualifications then Mike !!!
I don't mind anyone coming here and working hard but I don't agree with us giving them benefits to top up their income! They should support themselves for the first 10yrs. NO CHILD BENEFIT either.
The only people it has benefited are rich company owners. This man, like the rest of the 'A' holes in Westminster, are completely out of touch with what many people in Britain are going through at the moment. They make me sick passing comment and judgment on people when they're living in t heir ivory towers - a complete and utter disgrace (and his gobby Mrs)
Coming from a man who seems to do nothing but mile the system, lets not even get started with his wife.
Bercow and his ilk will say this WHY a lot of these people in the up market Kensington and Chelsea areas not to mention the rest have a cheap scource of house keepers and cleaners working for them on cheap rates FACT ....
This doughball is missing the point entirely. Irrespective of who works harder, or who earns the most money, where does said money go? Where is said money invested? Who's economy is boosted by said money? Come on Mr. Speaker, do try to buck up!
Obviously bases his comment on himself and his wife.....well shorty, we aren't all like you.
Try getting a lower paid, non qualification job in this country nowadays! THEY HAVE ALL GONE ! Can`t think where to!!
Bercow should be made to expend a little more backbreaking effort, on a building site, up to his knees in mud, at minimum wage. The British work ethic is fine. This is something which people, similar to Bercow, have never been made to learn.
Bercow is British. Ergo he's just called himself lazy. I expect better from MPs.
"Just what benefit is John Bercow to Britain?" Delete the words "to Britain" and the question is more relevant.
Slightly off-topic I suppose but: I have just returned home to Spain from a couple of weeks in St Anns, near Blackpool. Last time we went there all the Hotels etc were staffed by people from other countries, even as far afield as Belorussia (hello Paul if you are still in the Country - what a brilliant Barman). This time around however, they have all disappeared and guess what? The Hotels, Bars etc are nearly all staffed by young Brits. Has something happened recently? Apart from the Labour lot being booted out of Government that is?
I feel insulted by his comments. I worked all my life and worked hard. He should not be making such wide sweeping comments.
Sad but true!! If we didn't't have a benefits system that allows anyone to decide they do not want to work they can live a life paid for by the taxpayer and MP's supporting this ideal then we would not have this problem, also Labour must answer the question , why they invited so many people to come here and accept lower wages than the local workforce!!
He should start by giving up his job for a Polish worker then.
Please move to that country and take your wife with you, you can add to that countries work ethic. SO SORRY I FORGOT MYSELF, YOUR A POLITICIAN.
Well said Thoughtfox!
Typical Tory twit...Born with a golden foot in his mouth.
Numpty.
This is what is known as "little man" syndrome!
I wish all the Brits emigrate out of the UK then we can really get UK PLC back on track
and pygmy politicians...shut up squeaker
Bercow is a fine one to talk about work ethics after claiming for dirty weekends on his expenses, and trying to block the publication of details of MPs expenses which could show if they are renting their taxpayer-funded homes to each other. Oh.. and his children*s nanny lives in her own taxpayer-funded flat in the Houses of Parliament......The Speaker of the House should be neutral, and he is CLEARLY not, so BERCOW should resign.
He is spot on, they aren't all the workshy burdens that UKIP would have you think
Has any speaker in Britain's history ever been as controversial as this miserable little worm?
deluded!! on many counts
Years ago British people did do these jobs to earn a few extra quid. Nowadays it is often more profitable to sit on your backsides and claim benefits. The question that needs to be answered is..Who created this situation and allowed cheap Labour to undercut what the British people were earning Mr. Bercow?
Mr Bercow .If that is the case . One prove it by facts and figures . or shut up .Two refuse to take the taxpayers money for your free lifestyle from the British taxpayer OR shut up . Because the people of this country are sick and tired of scroungers ?????????????????????
In that case why aren't their own countries thriving, successful hives of industry, so the poor wretches don't have to leave hearth and home, to come here, grub up root vegetables for a pittance and squat in grotty hovels?
Let him spout and idiots like him, it just drives more and more people over to UKIP.
What the hell does he know about reality???
Our politicians in Westminster are completely out of touch with the British people.
"Workers" - yes the ones who actually work may have benefited the UK but only the ones who WORK
Mr Bercow .If that is the case . One prove it by facts and figures . or shut up .Two refuse to take the taxpayers money for your free lifestyle from the British taxpayer OR shut up . Because the people of this country are sick and tired of scroungers ?????????????????????
Would they be so "hard working and vital" if they were made to live in your area Mr Bercow?
Well that's a sweeping statement and a half isn't it!! Is this guy paid to hav an opinion!! Unreal!!!
What would he, or any MP know about hard work? They live a very pampered lifestyle yet they have the hubris to think that they are worth it! I despair with these people. When are going to wake up and ditch the lot of them? - ali westerman north wales
Good luck with that at the next election, Bercow!
Don't forget this little nonety was forced on this government by labour, in revenge for the demise of the last speaker, "Gorbal Mick" over the MP's expenses scandal mishandling.
Im sure many do work hard but others are a huge cost to us that drains away any gain.They dont all work hard or are honest or their countries wouldnt be in the mess they are.We all know the MAIL REALLY SUPPORTS THE EU !!!
A sad but true quotation. Many Brits are still under the impression that we own half the world, and therefore don't have to get off their bone-idle backsides to work. Having said that, when there are companies like Next, who use an agency (I believe it's called something like Salisbury), who ONLY advertise in Poland, they ONLY interview in Poland, they ONLY do the assessment tests in Poland, you have to wonder why Brits still support shops and companies like this. It's the same as our local 99p Store - the job adverts are placed in the shop window and are ONLY in Polish - there are no English translations. We need a level playing field for those who want to work and deserve a job.
Let's replace our MPs with those who work FOR us, not AGAINST us! If this is what he thinks of the electorate who pay his over inflated salary and expenses he can ...... off and work elsewhere.
Time to replace Mps with german or polish see how they like losing their jobs no their jobs are safe like wise the people in media they all make me sick .Time to stand up for our rights me thinks
Maybe he's referring to those in the public employ, personally at 52.5 hours a week I've never worked harder for less
I wish he would emigrate!
What would he know about life outside Westminster.
Bercow has demonstrated his lack of political neutrality many times. An essential attribute of the role. He should be removed from office.
Ignore him, he's an idiot! perhaps he hasn't been in the news lately!!
no Impact on housing, schools, transport, nhs, future liabilities such as pensions..... WAKE UP. This is a fix (apparent) for today a MAJOR problem for tomorrow!
The Gov, are far from hard workers. This makes me laugh, especially when Camergoon is of on holiday every five minutes. "I have to go of on breaks to keep me sain Cameron says" Well, in the real world most hard working people get 4 weeks of a year, if your lucky.
If any politican sums up the smug, over priviledged, it in for himself stereotype then its this gurning chump... i still despise him from the interview he gave with Tom Bradbury in 2009. Available on YouTube.
Just like the majority of MPs, they detest their own people !!!
a truly little man in all respects
There is one certainty Bercow is no benefit to Britain.
what a stupid little man
They probably are, but so were all the other slaves this country used to have. Doesn't make it right does it?
Bit of a general statement there is it not...?
Will they still be working hard in 5yrs time when they find out how much they can get on benefits.
Probably a harder worker than he is, hi Jonny hows the wife.
I'm guessing he's never travelled on the London underground after 4pm to be confronted with loud mouthed east euros, drunk, spitting, leering at women, carrying 6ft step ladders and other large tools....
Another day...and another half of the double act - Berk and Cow utters complete twaddle again!
I agree with the fact our Lords Ladies and RHM are as dishonest and lazy as most imports!
This man says these stupid things just to wind people up, best thing to do is ignore him.
Germany and several Scandanavian countries seem like very well run places. Perhaps we should employ legislators from these countries instead of the lazy Brits, who seem content to let a coterie of bankers dictate policy.
hmmm increased crime, drunkeness, strain on the NHS, benefits going to their children still at home abroad......
Hands up those who will vote traitors into power again ie the three main parties traitors who have dirty minds and clean hands?
as the wife keeps her mouth shut, he opens his...............
@------" I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you
Perhaps if the government educated our young properly and gave them some hope, this would not be the case!!
Your comments: Spot on!
Well past time to remove these MPs and replace them with people that work FOR the British public not AGAINST the British public!
How dare he insult us hard working British, he's as bad as his wife.
I think we should have GERMAN MPs as they are harder working more efficient and better than they clowns we have
Compared to his silly vapid wife and MP's the gnome is right. Of course he'll think that what ge says is true it was his party's policy to let them in for no reason than to spite the Tories. He is paid to be neutral isn't he? This is the nth time he hasn't been and what with his wife's antics he should have the grace to resign.
How does he know this? What contact does he have with them? Its a insulting statemen I want to know where he got his facts?
He should know, after all - just think, he's surrounded by over 600 examples of the British 'worker'...indeed he's one of them. Maybe we should fire all the MPs since they're such lazy workers!!
to see someone who suppose to have no political views as speaker be so anti british how the hell did he get the job. Oh thats right he a puppet for his puppet masters.
he as been around to many lazy M.P.s
Vote ukip :D
Another DAMMED good reason to vote UKIP.
How on earth does this Burke Bercow ALWAYS manage to annoy everybody when he opens his mouth..UGH !!!
His got to try and make some freind's somewhere as he has to be one of the most hated in his own country.
Bercow and his missus have never down a days work in their life , the problem with this Country and Europe are bone idle greedy corrupt politicians like him.
I work in the hotel Industry & the only reason they hire Europeans is they don't have to pay the same level of TAX/NI to the government by labeling the job as a migrant position. Its about a £500- 800 saving per employee so when you have a thousand employees the numbers add up to big cost savings plus they can hire & fire them at will. They are cheap & disposable & that's why the government & Business love them, Take away the TAX breaks so all workers are on an equal footing & watch how fast these businesses change track.
I would rather there was a selective migration of Easton Europeans than the mas influx of of all the extremists who want to change our country. I have worked with Easton Europeans and they are very good workers and try to fit in with the uk way of life. Unfortunately most of them i spoke to did not want to stay here in this country because of our emigration policy's.I would say it far better to get replacements for our skilled and talented that have jumped ship and gone to likes of Australia and Canada than have so many so called cooks in fast food shops.
MP's are voted into power to govern the people not replace them with those seeking lebensraum. Besides the work ethic of the migrants is likely to dissipate once they learn the benefits system, something most are certainly not used to in the country of origin.
What Bercow fails to realise i this, yes many of these migrants are hard workers, but the fast majority of them do this hard work at a reduced cost and under the threat of losing the job they have got. I work both as a HGV driver and Senior Administration and Finance officer and in both jobs I have seen this. For exams, I currently work as a HGV driver for a well know grocery store through and agency. There are 3 gentlemen, all polish who work for the same agency doing the same job as me yet I get paid £9.50 an hour and they get paid £7.75 with no overtime payment. There are those immigrants who stick to their guns and demand the same rights as us English, but the majority are too scared and have to work harder and longer just to make a livible wage. If the government made all employers pay the same wage across the board then you will see a big shift in the work ethics of a migrant. The other issues is many migrants don't pay tax as their employers pay cash in hand at less then £6
Lol and his wife is a hard worker,,, Good Grief,, spongers both of them..
I think he is confusing 'Hard working' with 'Cheaper' I've been in the building industry for 16yrs and the recent changes in labour force have most defiantly not brought more productivity or skill to the industry. Recent clients have spoke of past bad experiences of immigrant builders where on first impressions they seem extremely hard working but then all has become clear towards the finish as job is nowhere near complete and overruns by months. What is happening is the immigrant workers are willing to work for almost half local workers and they will be paid on an hourly rate or day rate basis so they will make up some of the difference by 'being on site long hours' and 'being on site weekends' not to be confused with working long hours or working weekends. Over the last few years I've seen this first hand so I feel I'm far more qualified than our man Mr Berkow to speak on this subject and really don't appreciate more MPs slating off the British workforce which built this country.
Anybody would be harder working than his wife!!
They're certainly harder working than our MP's. But then you'd practically have to be a corpse to be worse!
Employers have been able to get rich as they go East to get cheap workers and school them in topping up their lower wages with tax funded benefits- including housing. The indulged Bercows are cushioned from all the effects on schools, hospitals etc etc. Thanks to Europe and our soooo compliant government it's a lose lose for the British working man. How would JB feel watching someone take his job knowing that the taxes he has paid are being used to make this possible. At least JB's speech shows whose side Parliament is on.
This incideous poisoned dwarf hasnt done a good days work in his life, how dare he tell us that foreigners work harder than the indigenous people. The only good thing I can see in a labour goverment is the end of this creep and his petulant power crazy female.
bercow spouts - ¿But the media is not the Government and it is not Parliament. I am here as a friend of Romania and someone who sees the benefits of immigration.¿......................................Is there not a position of 'speaker' in the Romanian Government? Being as how YOU are a 'friend' of that country perhaps you and yours would benefit from migrating there. I feel you would NOT be missed in this over run country.
What useful purpose does Burco and his vile wife serve? .......... NONE.
Some migrants are more hardworking than some Britons......and probably most migrants are more hardworking than Mrs Berkow.,
Headline is a bit misleading. He has said the immigration should be monitored and managed. He's only referring to EU-A8 immigration. I think he may have been partly right in 2004, but now that the economy has slowed down there are decent British people who can't get their foot in the workplace as it's now established that foreign staff do those jobs. Also people like his wife are in opposition to what would improve british work effort, such as proper changes to the benefits system and education. There are many other factors determining if migration is beneficial or not. For example if a particular migrant is only on the minimum wage their tax would not cover the cost of schooling even 2 school age children in most LAs meaning a net-loss to the state.
the first intelligent remark ever that has the label bercow attached
of course his job is safe
This is symptomatic of a liberal elite that is not only out of touch with the electorate, but totally contemptuous of it.
SHOULD WE REPLACE ALL OUR GOVT THEN ??? - -CANT MAKE ANY WORSE JOB THAN THE ONE WE HAVE - - - I SUGGEST FRANCES GOVT COME HERE- - THEY WOULD HAVE CHOUDRAY AND HIS GANG OF TWO FACED FANATICAL FREELOADING TERROR SUPPORTERS OUT BEFORE DINNER ON THE FIRST DAY.
This repulsive little man and his chav wife should crawl back under the stone from which they came....
This repulsive little man and his chav wife should crawl back under the stone from which they came....
Yes but only Northern Eastern Europeans, not Romanians and Bulgarians who have never been known for hard work but for laziness and fraud..
So the British have little aptitude or commitment according to this nasty, little man? I presume that he can back that up with some kind of facts, proof or statistics?
Are idiots like Berkow born stupid or do they work on it ?
well DM why have you not printed my comment please give me a good reason.- maxxymoo 09, Newcastle Upon Tyne, United Kingdom, >>>>>>Look under worst rated and page to below the red arrows there are many comments there that do not make the main page.
Who listens to Berk and Cow they are idiots
Pompous little gnome
From a man who gets 3 months off !
He probably has some Eastern European cleaners, that he pays peanuts!
You can only praise the work ethic of foreigners because you are not allowed to say anything negative about them or the pc brigade will become so upset, shocked and disgusted! So forget saying anything about them not learning English or that they commit crime whilst here (just ask the Met Police who commits the most credit card crimes) as it is not going to be printed.
Oh they work hard alright - that's why 30,000 Romanians were arrested in the Metropolitan Police area in the last 5 years alone - and they shouldn't even be here yet. They can just walk in, no criminal records check, sign on as self employed and the full benefit system is available. Subsidised housing, free education for their kids, access to NHS, Job seekers allowances, benefits for children left in their home country.......We have been systematically and royally shafted by this EU scam. It needs to end and end NOW. Vote UKIP.
Bercow has no idea - let me tell you about Romania Mr Bercow - they are liars, thieves and beggars, one tribe traffics women, another children, another drugs, another gold - car parks are full of 'can I wash your car brigade' Romanians of course - have you seen the gang master lurking in the background taking the loot - the mafia of the car parks and they are here because they have invented self employment - next January they will be claiming houses, benefits, schools for the children and health cate for their aged parents they will bring - if anyone knows how to work the system and pull the wool over they eyes of the politico's its the Romanians closely followed by the Bulgarains - who will all come en masse - suitcases alreayd packed and coach tickets bought - I worked there for 4 years and I know - Mr B does not have a clue - as he has just demonstrated. And why are they coming? we don't need them, we don't want them - hey let's leave the EU to their own home grown disasters
Migrants are more vulnerable to exploitation than Britons. And many migrants exploit our welfare system at the first opportunity!
The political classes have regarded the citizens of Britain to be 3rd or even 4th class in our own country for many years now.They think of us as racist lowlife and have nothing but contempt for us and our views.We need to clean them out of our parliament.,all of them.
Has Bercow ever had a real job , or has he talked his way through life like most politicians .
Typical lefty Labour opinion! Maybe Bercow's job might be lost to an Eastern European? We don't think Bercow works hard enough.
my god what a nerve coming from a greedy little tyke who has spent his years at the Westminster trough lining his pockets with taxpayers cash and never done a decent days work in his life
dont you just love the way your MPs support the UK worker?
Nothing to do with his parents being Romanian immigrants then.
What a simplistic and insulting comment from Bercow ! In the five years before I retired, I worked nights in a warehouse. There were work targets that were hard to achieve , but I was able to pass these targets (ahead of even 20 year olds ) night after night ! We had over that time numerous Eastern European workers ,some good some poor. The thing that I found very central to facts, Bercows and many others who have no experience (by their comments) in talking to these lads was that the money they earned over here was 5 times what they could earn in their own country. Can you imagine the British, if by going to Europe they could earn 5 times what they are payed here ? What an incentive to work ! Yes some British are lazy , but that applies to every country. All in all Bercows comments are based on stereotypical ignorance, but what do you expect from a politician ?
bet they are of benefit to some of the pies he has his fingers in
I would say that when it comes to the lower paid ,less appealing jobs ,he is absolutely right. Eastern Europeans seem to be dilligent and enthusiastic in the type of occupations that we would deem as pointless drudgery. Waking in the small hours to work in a bakery or sitting all night in a 24 hour petrol station ...and all those nasty cleaning jobs... etc, they still embrace a healthy work ethic and, by shrewd money management are able to support themselves and their families back home. We could all learn by taking a leaf from their book.
They are harder workers...really!!!! Were they the ones that fought hard for us in world war 1 and 2 so Britain could be free....thought not! He needs to shut up and sit down I think you will find the person who needs to shut up and sit down is alot closer to home. No. 303 ("Ko¿ciuszko") Polish Fighter Squadron (Polish: 303 Dywizjon My¿liwski "Warszawski im. Tadeusza Ko¿ciuszki") was one of 16 Polish squadrons in the Royal Air Force (RAF) during the Second World War. It was the highest scoring RAF squadron of the Battle of Britain He is neither right or wrong as there are hard working immigrants im sure but there will be lazy immigrants also and the same applys to people who were born in the uk. You can only do it case by case and not so "Oh these people are all super hard working or super lazy because everyone is an individual.
Bercow your Eastern European counterparts put you lot to shame, their WORK ETHICS are much superior to your privileged, pampered and obscenely plush lifestyle. I hope the next Commons Speaker is Eastern European working for £6:31 per hour and still doing a much better job than you could ever dream of doing. Voting for UKIP all the way here, Nigel will sort you lot out out no more caviar and champagne, make do with bread and water and by God you will have to work for that.
Don't you mean harder workers than Politicians
coming from a man how has never done a days work in his life ............
Bercow, who made it your choice?
Lets turn this slightly round - if I was to say for example Eastern Europeans are lazy would I not get done for racism? Why then isn't Bercow - he is clearly discriminating against British workers. The man is a disgrace
John Bercrow has never done a days work in his life, if he has the courage of his convictions he should resign and give his non job to a migrant.
This man seriously has short man syndrome, as well as inactive brain cell syndrome. Mouth needs to shut up syndrome, and I can't dress syndrome. Enough said I think.
So on that basis soon all jobs will be held by foreigners and all the natives here will be on benefits!
Who does this little squirt think he is, my grandad worked 6 days a week all his life, my grandma went to work ill, my mother and father work hard its only since people like him who threw British workers onto the scrap heap for the sake of cheap foreign labour that the British have been slated insulted and degraded, Christ i wish we in Great Britain could get some of the same spirit those demonstrators in Turkey have.
Stop benefits and people will work harder to stay in a job. Some friends of mine employ Polish people, they work very hard and pay UK taxes which is more that a lot of British scrounges.
- Mike , Liverpool, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 09:29 ....................... You have a very interesting way of mangling written English.
Ok, Mr Bercow, and your wife lived with Gypsies and tells us what honest, hardworking folk they are as well!
Pratt.
i wonder which country his nanny hails from
Let the truth be told. John Bercow is right. His only mistake is to say the truth in a country that hates the truth and loves the unreal. Migrants work harder than the British. Red arrows please. - Tony, Maidstone United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 3:20 Glad to oblige Tony! Truth is only a peas brain would generalise about a nationality.If we were to follow that line there is plenty I could say ,but that would be racist or xenophobic. Seems its ok to do that about our own people though.How patriotic you are.Thank goodness we didn't have a nation of weaklings like you when Hitler was around!
our country went from the united kingdom of great briton to briton. english irish scots welsh built this god given country to us. REMBEMBER THE WORDS TO THE HYMN ..JERUSALEM "THOSE DARK SATANIC MILLS" mr bercow and your club of 650, our forebears worked and died there as in mines shipyards railways, foundries steelworks on the roads in the fields..h.m forces.. no national heath service ..dole or pensions.. family allowance.... or immigrants. no mr berrcow of the demolition party, sorry coalition party THE GREAT BRITISH NATION BUILT GREAT BRITAIN you the polititions took us to britain and less. the 1970s germany and holland wanted brit construction workers and payed em well. british workers gave us history...polititions gave us no future.
Ah yes, John Bercow, a man who has never done a day's work in his life. The hardest thing he's ever done is to stuff his pockets with our money.
What he means is Brits can't get jobs because they have all been taken by immigrants that this and the previous government imported.
This is another misleading stereotype which has been proved to be wrong. Perhaps Mr. Bercow could be replaced with a Romanian or Bulgarian,
It is true that a lot of Eastern European immigrants are hard-working. However,as many of these immigrants very willingly do the menial low-paid jobs, they are 'entitled' to housing benefit, child benefits and other benefits. So, how does this benefit the Country's economy or the taxpayer!?!!!
Strange how many councils who have employed these eastern europeans because they are cheaper than british workers, then call in the british workers to put right what the eastern europenas have bodged up. Harder workers what a laugh we have a eastern european apprentice thick doesnt describe him and lazy all he does is stand outside smoking all day.
I would rather there was a selective migration of Easton Europeans than the mas influx of of all the extremists who want to change our country. I have worked with Easton Europeans and they are very good workers and try to fit in with the uk way of life. Unfortunately most of them i spoke to did not want to stay here in this country because of our emigration policy's.I would say it far better to get replacements for our skilled and talented that have jumped ship and gone to likes of Australia and Canada than have so many so called cooks in fast food shops.
Horrid little man and obviously as prone to saying the wrong thing as his wife.
Ha! You're presumably speaking about yourself and your fellow politicians John.
It has been said a certain political party allowed immigrants to enter Britain so that the numbers voting for their party would increase. Its nice to know he's jumped ship -well done Bercow.
Bercow has it all wrong.!! They come here for the benefits!! Not for the benefit of Britain.m Get out of office Bercow and take your money grabbing wife with you. To Romania perhaps
Him and his wife surely must be surefire candidates for the worlds biggest 'foot in mouth' award! The pair of them really need to learn to 'engage brain' before opening their mouths. Talk about if they had brains they'd be dangerous! Pair of idiots!!
Lives in cuckoo land!
.DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE ARE TWO USLESS BITS OF SCHITT IN ONE HOUSEHOLD. E U COUNTS FOR 83% OF ALL LAWS ,THEY HAVE TO HAVE HOLS AS THEY HAVE GOT NOTHING TO DO,LAYES LOT OF SCHITTS. VOTE UKIP TO BRING THE LAWS BACK HOME. FROM A TRUE BLUE ,VOTE FOR UKIP CLIVE HOVE.
I wouldn't say eastern Europeans are harder working, but I would go as far as saying they do jobs others don't want to do.
Bercow? Just drop the 'ow'.
Enjoying your summer break there mate? How about the best hotels abroad which includes full service. Yeh nice hard work thar. Leading by example I see.
Is there lead paint in their house.I thought it was just his wife that was deluded! It must be environmental.shut up John who cares what you think.
They certainly work harder than MPs.
Perhaps we should have a Polish person instead of him as Speaker.
What he should be saying is, migrants come to the UK and work for the minimum wage making fat cats richer.
How many on his doorstep?
The numpty Bercow makes the comment, Media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament, or Government, What he should have said was, The views of Parliament and this Government, do not reflect the views of the ordinary electorate.
On the other hand, one would have to ask Mr Bercow the question, "if all the migrants are far more industrious than the British people, why then are the countries they left behind in such a poverty stricken mess and why are many of them living off the welfare benefits system in England"
Who does this imperious little man think he is? He says that that media coverage does not reflect the views of Parliament. Oh I am sorry, I was under the impression that media coverage reflects the views of the people of this country, who incidentally, are paying for your lifestyle, a lifestyle which the vast majority of us can only dream about. Come down off your imperious little perch Burkow and remind yourself that you are only a human being like the rest of us, we already have a Queen.
We no longer have traditional values in our Country. A standard job is either drug dealing or signing on!! The Government has well and truly destroyed it, why should people work hard when their is NO benefit at the end of it?!
well DM why have you not printed my comment please give me a good reason.
The Polish and the Baltic state people were the slave-wage labour. The Romanians and the Bulgarians will be the actual slaves. The Britons can just die off for all the LibLabCon care.
More to the point,who paid for this jaunt to Romania. With his wife's fine to fund perhaps he was looking for tips on scams to get some money. The man is an absolute disgrace and will be jobless after the next election.
I bet all employers will agree, as they love paying lower wages to these migrants. Bercow frankly is pretty awful, and I wonder where his Wife gets it all from?
He and that thing he calls a wife are both foot in mouth specialist when it comes to speaking about issues they know nothing about.
Yet again Mr Bercow is correct.
You may not like what he says, but he is absolutely 100% spot on. Eastern Europeans have a work-ethic instilled in them that is sadly missing in a lot of today's British workers. Unfortunately there is a culture where people want to earn money for as little work as they can get away with. We as a nation, could actually learn a thing or two from our former Eastern-Bloc friends.
He's right in one sense they would all work much harder than John Bercow he is probably one of the laziest persons on this planet. Indeed John Bercow doesn't work he just turns up but in terms of work he doesn't do any and would not know the meaning of the word.
Britains political system needs to be modernised with MP's only allow to be elected for 3 terms in office then they have to get a job.They are all disrepectful to the british public and too big for their boots.
You know these so called politicians have no idea what goes on in the real world. I am sick and tired of people saying we are not hard workers. Everybody I know work bloody hard to make ends meet. Not like those that live in there Ivory Tower at Westminster at the Tax Payers expense. With there massive salaries, perks, pensions etc etc Its wouldnt hurt them to change places with us and just see how hard we work. Every Country have there work shy but the majority of us work bloody hard to look after how families.
Well yes of course it does John. That would explain then why my daughter, while doing her degree in London, was unable to get a part time job because she was undercut by cheaper migrant labour. subsequently she left for Canada where she now has a good job, and her brother has followed her. I would much rather they stayed in England so that we could enjoy family life and grandchildren but that has all been taken away by relentless migration. In your case John "Berk" really is the salient word isn't it!
The numpty Bercow makes the comment, Media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament, or Government, What he should have said was, The views of Parliament and this Government, do not reflect the views of the ordinary electorate.
The political elite have for the last 50 years conducted a social experiment where everyone is equal, no one is better than anyone else, everyone knows their rights and entitlements and we have welfare that provides a better income than the average job and a cost of living that is ludicrous. They then open the borders to economic migrants who undercut wages and have the cheek to turn round and call us lazy because we have to live within the system that they created and maybe don't want to live 5 to a room in a bedsit! We also don't have the option to send those relatively low wages back to a country where the value is significantly greater, we live here where it pays for very little.
Actually, this is a lie. Immigrants come to Britain and settle in immigrant hotspots such as London, Birmingham, Manchester. In cities like these, that is where you will find immigrants. The vast majority of the UK is still being run by white English people. Go to the countryside, or other lovely cities where the population is 99% white English, you have English people doing all the menial jobs. So this is a damn outright lie, it is slander. This man should go.
Some do ! But not all of them. The biggest factor is Business !! They are the ones that have benefited most LOWER WAGES !!!! Immigration is the number one issue for all EU countries and it will only get worse !!
This is the same as saying all muslims are terrorists. See how far you'd get if you'd said that Mr. Bercow? When the "thought police" got hold of you your feet wouldn't touch the ground. But to slag off UK workers is ok is it? Idiot.
This statement makes me so angry , British are not lazy , But where can we go to earn a decent wage and send it home to buy a nice home ,If you work hard in Britain all your money is taken in taxes eg. council tax doubled in 10 years , water doubled , and i could go on ........ where can i go for the better life ? Greece ? turkey ,France,all just as bad if not worse .!!
Does he mean benefitted us by scamming our welfare system, bringing crimes here that we never had before, increasing rape attacks and thefts, overloading our hospitals and housing, and camping next to motorways and in people`s garden sheds?
There is a section of the British public to which Bercow's comment applies. they are of course the Welfare Class. However, who made them that way? the answer, naturally, is scumbag politicians like Bercow who wanted to keep the bottom of the barrel sweet without actually doing anything governmental about it. The answer: free money from those of us dumb enough to actually work for a living.
His view of the British is probably tainted by the behaviour of those closest to him, i.e. politicians!
I use to Work in Germany,..(because of Thatcher) When you know your miles Away from Home, you Go for the (QUICK CASH)........ BUT you know it WONT LAST, So you WORK HARD because you KNOW ITS ONLY A TEMPORARY BENEFIT (FIX).............BUT... If he`s Not Happy with British workers..............then which one of the seven Dwarf`s is He??
It is nice to see Mr Bercow talking up our country and British workers like all the traitor class politicians. They only believe in their own greedy self-serving careers.
Hardworking more than the British politicians with their long holidays their self awarding pay rises and short hours
He is just a sad old man in the wrong job too. He and his deputy both need to be removed from their jobs and a decent experienced person voted in to do both jobs. We have had enough of these free loading idiots with their sexual likes and their trough feeding. Replace them both and remove their grace and favour free homes for the positions as well. This is another out of date job related item.
Maybe this little creep, should try working?
Who cares how hard migrants work? Most people work as hard as they need to to achieve their goals and working harder than that is pointless. The reason most economic migrants work hard is that they're filling their boots in a temporary job before heading home, not because they're naturally industrious.
This man is so way out of his depth in every conceivable way.
Bercow is a traitor, and will go to jail.
maybe these 'jolly foreigners ' would make for better politicians?
Bercow has got to be the biggest embarrassment to the Conservative Party that has ever existed,he is unable to see the logic of reduce immigration down to NIL then there will be work a plenty,and those who refuse lose their benefits Bloody Simple unless your name is Bercow.No Comment about his wife" permanently "
To be honest, I know this is unpopular but it is an issue. My sister runs her own dry cleaners with a small team and needed another member of staff. She advertised the position locally and got 44 calls regarding the position. Out of those 44 people, only 3 people went to the shop to pick up an application form. And you guessed it, those 3 people were polish. This country makes it far too easy to sit on your backside taking handouts and I'm sick of working 18 hours per day to pay for it! I'm always hearing "there are no jobs"... The bottom line is if you really want a job, you will find one.
thanks for that Mr Speaker. I'm working 60 hour weeks for next to nothing and big bills to pay, its good to know we are all in this together !! Why don't you take your short stumpy self and your disgrace of a wife and jump in a lake.......preferably a foreign one. Prat.
The Speaker says that media coverage of immigration does not reflect the views of Government and Parliament but I thought the media represented the real concerns many people share about open immigration. So there we have it from one that should know, those in power con/lab/lib are not interested in what the electorate think.
Current Eastern Europeans are slave-wage labour; the Romanians and Bulgarians will be yer actual slaves. Britons will be welfare dependent, and easier to kill.
What he says does seem to have an element of truth but, as he's never done a days work in his life, he's the last person to talk about it.
So much for being faithful to your employer. Had I have done this in my job as a local government officer, I'd have been given my marching orders. Time for him to GO.
If the immigrants are such a benefit to Britain, why is the country still going down the pan? Freeloaders like Berkow and his ilk I presume!
From where did this silly little man come from, with a name like Bercow.?
Migrant workers are most certainly harder workers than MPs .. but I'm a Briton and they are NOT harder working than me. Get stuffed Mr Bercow.
We need to replace ALL of our MPs with East Europeans NOW!
It seems they haven't finished rubbishing the British people just yet! Is it because we wont play ball on the EU and immigration?
Oh yes, those British are lazy - especially those very rich ones who exploit Eastern Europeans to displace Britons. They are so busy thinking of ways to make money dishonestly and dishonourably.
Not a week or month goes by without our glorious MPs bad mouthing the British work force. I have worked my fingers to the bone since the age of 16, I continually update my skill-set, I have paid thousands towards further education as well as running my own business and this odious little rat has the cheek to tell me that I don't work hard as immigrants. I've never read so much rubbish in all my life. It is thanks to the political class that my young nephews who are highly educated and have an excellent work ethic cannot find a job (menial or otherwise). Your government detests its own people it favors immigrants over the native population. If you give a damn about your country and your children's future then you know what to do.
Perhaps we can get some cut price Eastern European Politicians who also would work a lot harder than our PARASITES
200% agree with Mr Farage, we must all vote UKIP.
200% agree with Mr Farage, we must all vote UKIP.
This man knows nothing about ordinary workers or work places - yes there are some very good hard working immigrants over here, also there are many that have & are a total drag on this Island of what was once ours, over the last 30yrs or more we have been treated & conned by or previous governments, & now they are absolutely in a blind panic at the new revolution looming, then you get the arrogance of what & what they think is defiance against us ordinary people by the horrible liars that are on a sinking ship, we cannot must not vote any of that lot Lib/Lab? Cons in again they have to see how angry we are with their policies & remarks against us,& it seems so stupid to me I ten years or so ago voted for who I thought was best of a horrible bunch!! thank goodness people are listening more to UKIP, I have voted for them for a while, just because of the contempt & disrespect the other parties have made us suffer, now I totally believe Mr Farage is the answer.
They are harder workers...really!!!! Were they the ones that fought hard for us in world war 1 and 2 so Britain could be free....thought not! He needs to shut up and sit down
In some respects he is right. Migrant workers from Eastern Europe will always work harder at fruit picking for instance, over some spotty British teenager, that's why people employ them. However that is not an excuse for more mass immigration. The unemployed of this country will NEVER work as hard as migrants in this type of work because there is no point. They are better off on benefits!
If that comment had been made against a minority it would have resulted in prosecution. But because he is racist to Brits it's ok!! GET A GRIP!
Little boy syndrome . I bet he doesn't speak back to his wife.
useless greedy little man ........................
At the next general election would Conservative voters in his constituancy Of Buckingham please realise that they are being cheated. He is NOT a Conservative. He is a traitor, pretending to be one. So although it is a safe Tory seat, they will have to find a real conservative to vote for. UKIP perhaps?
So it is ok to massively generalise negatively about native residents of Britain but you can't say a thing against any minority even if it is factual - welcome to our fine nation
This man is a real British patriot isn't he. If the british aren't as hard working it is due to the crazy Labour benefits culture, and who got him into his current job.
Massive generalisation! I know Polish who run shops and work very hard, I see others out begging all day. I know Brits who work 60 hours a week and others who do nothing! There aren't enough jobs to go round and the people of this country should be given first refusal and a big training scheme needs to be set up...along with closing the borders for a good few years
Eastern Europeans are being exploited in this country. They displace Britons who become welfare dependent. It's a deliberate ploy. Britons are too stupid (or frightened) to notice that their country is occupied by a foreign power.
What a simplistic and insulting comment from Bercow ! In the five years before I retired, I worked nights in a warehouse. There were work targets that were hard to achieve , but I was able to pass these targets (ahead of even 20 year olds ) night after night ! We had over that time numerous Eastern European workers ,some good some poor. The thing that I found very central to facts, Bercows and many others who have no experience (by their comments) in talking to these lads was that the money they earned over here was 5 times what they could earn in their own country. Can you imagine the British, if by going to Europe they could earn 5 times what they are payed here ? What an incentive to work ! Yes some British are lazy , but that applies to every country. All in all Bercows comments are based on stereotypical ignorance, but what do you expect from a politician ?
Speak for yourself mr speaker
I don't see any evidence supporting Bercow. The House of Lords immigration report shows that only the immigrants benefit from immigration. When people make statements like this, they should be challenged for justification. I'm fed up with Bercow and his turkey wife, it's time he was replaced with someone, competent, even handed and unburdened with a publicity seeking wife.
And what does this odious person know of the normal person on the street. How can he have the gall to comment from his ivory tower, receiving an enormous salary for part time work plus free palatial living accommodation.
mmm if I or my childless children could get housing benefit, tax credits, child benefit and minimum wage we too would seek this high paid benefit driven work. Unfortunatly we don't as we struggle on just minimum wage!
maybe he'd like to give up his job to them? ...thought not.
Maybe Mr Bercow should learn from his wife and SHUT UP!
Not that he would actually know hard work if it bit him on his parliamentary backside.
Would there not be a furore and accusations of racism if similar comments were made calling immigrants lazy and suggesting Brits were harder working?
Eastern Europeans are slave labour, and have damaged the life-prospects of ALL Britons EXCEPT the likes of Bercow who want them here for their own nefarious purposes.
Yeah you're right... Until the British worker is willing to work in a car wash for £2 an hour and live 16 to 18 people in a terraced house... ...The country will not recover..!!
The Commons Speaker said the arrival of thousands of migrants from Eastern Europe has had great advantages for Britain..........The biggest advantage to these politicians is that if they come to settle here now they would probably be eligible to vote in the referendum in 2017 and vote against leaving the EU.
Bercow in his disillusionment needs to crawl back in his hole, immigrant workers have not benefitted BRITAIN because we are having to keep the rest of them that arrived here with no money, no jobs, and nowhere to live and we are providing these benfits to people who haven't contributed anything whatsoever to our country but are robbing it blind. BRITISH PEOPLE would still be working if it hadn't been for THATCHER and Co privatising and closing industries that were relevant to the country's economy and we now have another tory government that is doing the same. .
To generalise and judge people in this way is utter rubbish. There are hard workers and shirkers in all races and it will alway be that way, no matter where they are from.
Typical Tory, hatred of working classes, through, and through, UKIP, puts us first,
This is an old argument that might have been true once, but not any more.
Immigrants, no matter from where and no matter where they are going to, will always have to prove themselves into the new society they've adopted, which leads naturally to work harder, because they have to. Plus, UK's society runs smoothly, with lots of return from taxes. Social equality is the base of this society, there's not much difference between the earnings of someone living with minimum wage and someone with a post-grad job, which leads to a lack of need to work too hard to get ''rewarded'. This reality is not the same in most of underdeveloped and developing countries, where one either work as hard as possible to achieve success or live out of an underpaid paid.
The traitor Mandelson admitted that Labour did exactly the same as the traitor Bercow has done - encourage the displacement of British people. That's what the LibLabCon do. Wake up.
Why did he find it necessary to go there and how much did it cost us for this greedy, selfish, small-minded man to go there and insult us? Preparing for another wave of immigrants to keep wages down for the rest of us while he insists MPs need another 10 grand to do the job they are already over paid for? I'm sick of MPs telling us that the British don't work hard and spreading this disgraceful myth and slur about the people they are supposed to represent. REMEMBER, an MP always has an AGENDA. If he's said this, there was a nasty reason behind it. We should be told what it was and real JOURNALISTS should make it their business to find out!
They are cheaper too!!
Says a man who sits in a chair all day shouting order and getting paid loads
Well maybe britons are just sick of being pi&&ed on all the time but this government who take away large amounts of the pittance's we earn. Some people just don't see the point of getting a job and if they are forced into one by the job centre, make a hash of it so they can go back on benefits. I'm not saying that's right or moral, but it's certainly true.
Immigrants, no matter from where and no matter where they are going to, will always have to prove themselves into the new society they've adopted, which leads naturally to work harder, because they have to. Plus, UK's society runs smoothly, with lots of return from taxes. Social equality is the base of this society, there's not much difference between the earnings of someone living with minimum wage and someone with a post-grad job, which leads to a lack of need to work too hard to get ''rewarded'. This reality is not the same in most of underdeveloped and developing countries, where one either work as hard as possible to achieve success or live out of an underpaid paid.
Bercow isn't really British is he? Certainly not a Christian.
its time for a new political party in the uk time to rid England of the tory labour merry go round
Swivel eyed loon.
Since when did he or his wife know anything about hard work
Another treasonous rat - you can tell that he doesn't have to deal with his children being held back because half or more of the class can barely speak English; be treated as a foreigner in his own country, see crime rates in his area soar as the incomers go through areas like locusts, have difficulty accessing healthcare because the system is now overwhelmed by numbers. Yes, undoubtedly some ARE hard-working, but many more are not, and quite how this idiot can see millions of pounds pouring out of the nation's economy as benefiting the UK just beggars belief.
The LibLabCon has decided that far too many Britons are getting too uppity and must be reminded that they are lazy and don't deserve their own country and that it must be handed over to third-worldesque Eastern Europeans.
If these people work harder than us how come their countries are not booming and us lot trying to go to their country. They live in a third world manner and only come here for our benefit system.
So let's have a Polish Commons Speaker. It would be a change to have somebody polite and unassuming doing this little man's job.
Are these the sort of people we have in power.Why do they keep on violating the laws of discrimination against the British taxpaying people and not punished for it.l know what would happen if this was the other way round,where if a British taxpayer said the immigrants are lazy and scroungers,they would be marched straight to court."But",it seems these people in power have the right to break the laws they have enforced.
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
THE MAN IS A RAVING LOONEY HE IS IN THE WRONG PARTY.
OYYY, BERCOW, just so you know, I have always worked hard and paid taxes to keep the benefits system going, just to pay for the immigrants who come here and claim for children in there own country, and YOU don't even check up to see if the child exists. To pay for them to get a free university study where as our children have to pay. To pay for them to get free NHS treatment while British people are pushed to the back of the queue and left on a trolley in the corridor. Need I go on. I hate to think what this country will be like by the time your term in government is finished.
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
The LibLabCon's job is to encourage the in-va-sion of Britain. We know this already, that's why we are sending it to the trashcan of history (and jail, hopefully).
we really need a new peoples party this man works for you, if you spoke about your boss like this how would you be treated.
I wonder how he'd feel if an immigrant applied for his job and got it!
I bet they work a lot harder than Bercow and his freeloading wife, that is for certain.
At last,the truth that dare not speak its name..........not gone down well with the 'phobes has it?,but then the truth never does.
This is what politicians think of the British worker is it.
Perhaps they do when it involves a gullible MP like you, Bercow, that they hope is going to help them stay in the country , but I had to relay the pathway they laid down by some such myself because they were too lazy to do a proper job even after being called back for a second chance! And the front gardens of two of the homes lived in by immigrants I can see from my bedroom windows are absolute tips,when compared to those of the rest of us. what with untended overgrown hedges multiple derelict cars and old bits of timber chipboard covering the drive torn up by their "building" work vehicles! How many live like that in the Palace of Westminster John??
With idiots like this spouting about the benifits of immigrants in the UK are handing UKIP more and more votes Bercow go and ask the people in the street what people think of you and your out of touch comments
How the hell would John Bercow know what hard work is?
'Migrants are harder workers than Britons'. For that matter Foxconn workers in China often work 12 hours a day at fast pace and sleep in the factory, this is just one example among many and not even the worst. Instead of ensuring that workers' rights are respected everywhere both for respect of human rights and to avoid unfair competition elites like a race to the bottom for native common people. At the same time there is a welfare system that often rewards laziness and rules that defend bureaucrats and other protected categories. In Italy the mantra of almost all politicians and media is: "Immigrants do the jobs that Italians do not want to do anymore". Thanks to this excuse the hourly wage for many jobs, especially low-skilled ones, is now about 4£ and working condition in most cases are getting worse.
What a slimy little creep Bercow is, the man whose name is one syllable too long.
I am afraid he looks at this from a rather blinkered angle. It is true that migrants take many of the unattractive and low paid jobs, but that is more because they can afford to live off much lower wages. The indigenous population has to try and run a home and possibly a family, which cannot be done on some of these low paid jobs. Bercow might want to take into account how these immigrants live - many people sharing houses to lower overheads. A farmer near me had Lithuanians and Russians picking veg - I think that they packed something like 16 people into a 4 nbedroom house. Sure British people could do that, but would you expect them to do so while bringing up a family? Not so long ago the British were being lauded as the hardest workers in Europe and putting in the longest hours!!
Read all about Bercow on wikipedia. When are the English going to cotton on that they are being replaced in their own homeland on purpose? Wake up!!! It's not some dreadful mistake by the clumsy new Labour govt.
Yes some of them will benefit this country but we have far too many and too many just taking benefits which a lot of our unemployed youngsters can't even get. Moderation in all things and in immigration we are being sunk.
That's what the LibLabCon is all about: going to the third-worldesque Eastern Europe, and encouraging their people to in-vade Britain. Mandelson admitted it as well. In 2010, there was a chance for people in Buckingham to throw Bercow out and install Nigel Farage in Westminster - but they thought they knew better. Well, you get what you deserve, and I expect that Buckingham is full of in-vad-ers.
Walter in Stuttgart you have sunk your OWN argument. HOW can Farage be xenophobe AND married to a german. How does that work. You are talking complete bosch
Brits are lazy and that is a fact
Thank you Mr. Bercow. Every time you and your ilk open your mouths it is another 10k votes for U.K.I.P.
Bercow. accommodated in taxpayer-funded luxury in the Palace of Westminster, does not have to live with these immigrants.
And who built up these British Companies, it wasn't the flaming Eastern Europeans it was hard working Brits. It's been widely noticed that once the honeymoon period is over the Eastern Europeans are no more hard working than any other person, in fact my husband has had to let them go, because they turn up drunk the next day or hide so they can skive while others do the work. We are being led up the garden path on this one, cheaper labour is not the best labour. Our successive Governments have peed all over the British People from high in the last 16 years, we should not take this rubbish anymore, we are hardworking, the powers that be are just trying to brainwash you into thinking you are useless, I am voting UKIP I've had enough of the people in charge telling me I don't work as hard as the Eastern Europeans. The pigs at the trough that run this country are the ones that don't work hard, and they created the benefits culture, which a hell of a lot of Eastern Europeans now claim.
I don't normally agree with him, but as an employer, he is spot on. British workers are strictly, (strictly!) 8:30-5:30pm, with the only exception being lawyers and those working in bars and coffee shops, but even then, most of those who are willing out of regular hours workers are as the man says, immigrants. The Brits I have hired have mostly been lazy, rude and most depressingly, untrustworthy and dishonest. I hired Latvian, Lithuanian and Polish when in London, and they were: a) Incredibly polite. b) Very hard working. c) Honest. d) Significantly more reasonable and intelligent. e) Able to drink me under the table.
Comments from one of the biggest "takers' in government, who has probably never done a days work in his life ! "Poisonous little dwarf" !
Well when you look at the holidays and perks of the normal MP , my pet snail that push starts 747's works harder. . Out of touch
Bit of a sweeping statement isn't it?
So do these people just get their finger out when the monetary gain is greater? Curious as to why such hard workers haven't changed the fortunes of their native countries.
I dont think its my right to sit on my bum all day. However i do believe that no matter what job you have, what position you are in society, the fact is we are all slaves. Slaves to our workplaces. These work places rule what you do, when you do it, how much you have, how many times you can be sick in a year, amongst other things. Work is slavery. but we all need it as if we didnt then life wouldnt exist as we know it. but just so people know. at no point did i choose to be born into a society that FORCES its people to work out our short lives paying tax and working 9-5 just so that when we do reach retirement age.... well your in such a state you cant do anything anyway so you have just wasted your life.. fun eh?
How loyal of you!
Speaker John Bercow says arrival of Eastern Europeans has benefited Britain Which is a darn sight more than he has ever done.
Presumably Farage will stand as a candidate for Buckingham in 2015? Thought not.
and how would he know? I would guess he has never even met an eat European migrant.,
I can't stand him or his wife BUT there is some truth about it , thats why our care homes are staffed by Philippines people .
This is a propagandist myth that has been pounded into the public consciousness to justify the forced redundancy of the British workforce. Of course, greedy employers, who have been able to increase their profits by employing cheap migrant labour, have also willingly participated in the denigration of British workers and, by implication, British people as a whole. The politicians, employers and left wing advocates of the destruction of the British workforce disgust me. For God's sake people, stop voting for the professional con artists who pose as mainstream politicians. Vote anything but Lib/Lab/Con. They are all a bunch of self serving, anti=British traitors.
The man is a total balloon just like the rest of them.
means cheaper labour than local and keep their mouths shut and accept poor working conditions.
Why doesn't this awful little free loader and his lanky wife keep their mouths shut, He needs to get in the real world there are more eastern european criminal gangs in the UK than we are aware of, and with comments like that we can expect more. I am not saying all eastern europeans are criminals but eventually we will see that not all eastern europeans are hard working tax payers.
Coming from a MP which has the same holidays as school children (and then some) he cannot really talk.
Berc ow by nature - berc by name
This man is evidence that mps have no interest in GB. They have over the years put in place the systems that a large chunk of our population would rather lie in bed on benefits than work. Migrants come here for what they can get out of our system because their own systems give them next to nothing and still politicians do nothing but tinker with our inadequate benefit culture instead of putting in place a system that would make work a better option to benefits. Bercow has stood in front of a Romanian parliament and told them what he thought they would like to hear perhaps he should have told them how our jails are full to bursting with migrant criminals how the migrant workers are made to work for low wages because they are controlled by organised crime. Get your head out of your rectum bercow see the real world instead of living in a world that encourages corruption and self interest that you and your cronies have created .
This is unacceptable behaviour for a Speaker, they are supposed to be impartial on all subjects - which we know from past experience, Berkow is not! Perhaps his latest biased outburst is prompted by his own Eastern European heritage, his paternal Grandparents were Romanian immigrants...need I say more? How this incompetent weasel of a man and his gobsmackingly embarrassing wife remain in such a privileged position remains a daily enigma.
And how would he know?when was the last time he worked on a factory floor with these people.Some are good workers but lots are shirkers,if you dont believe me Mr burk ow come have a week with me.
I thought that the speaker was non politicial . Well at least we know who he stands up for . And it is not the British ??????????????????????????????
What's it got to do with this idiot and his opinions. Go away with your fool of a wife
Why would somebody ask his opinion ? why is his opinion of any relevance and why would it be important enough to print in a national newspaper ? This is John Berscow making comment, we really have lost the plot DM.
how would he know never haveing done a days work in his life,tony blairs parting gift to cameron,who has not got the bottle to throw him out.
Well that certainly rattled a few cages didn't it? He's not entirely wrong either. Grief, doesn't Farage look disgusting, now that is an odious man.
it wa s the people who belong here here that worked the fields 50 years ago also the irish worked hard in the fields all the jobs are being taken over by immigrants jeancoulter london
This idiot should visit Lincolnshire,we have a very big problem with Polish shops selling illegal vodka,illegal cigarettes,the drink driving accidents caused by migrants is through the roof,where has this idea come from that they are harder workers than British people,I have first hand knowledge of their work ethic and I can tell you they know the system better than any British person I know and they certainly take out more than they put in.This area has been ruined by this huge influx ,how does he know this,sounds like a conservative towing the party line to me
Bercow is only stating what Farage and all the others wishing to leave the EU believe. They do not want to leave the EU to stop immigration because that brings wages down. They want to leave the EU to get rid of employment rights for the same reason they don't want to curb immigration.
HE WOULDNT BE SAYING THAT IF THEY TOOK HIS JOB!
As Mr Bercow is speaker, and politically neutral, why on earth is he visiting Romania and speaking in their parliament...he does not speak for our government and should not have been allowed to do this. No matter how hard working these people are, we are full, and it isn't up to him to encourage them to come...unspeakable, just like the labour party who signed up to this. He should resign or we should remove him from his sinecure.
When's the last time you got your hands dirty Berk...Oops, let me rephrase that !
He knows them all personally? What an idiot this creature is!
After reading up about Bercow's career history, it seems to me that he has always been a left wing socialist with a plan to infiltrate the Conservative Party. And now he is showing left wing bias as Speaker, when this is supposed to be a neutral position. And he's getting away with it.
What a ridiculous sweeping statement based on his opinion - perhaps Bercow and his gobby wife can foot the crippling NHS bill along with the cost of interpreters and translators oh,and the housing benefits being paid out, after this he can wave a magic wand and create school places ............ we'll send them round to your gaff Bercow
I've got an idea folks, why don't we all sit back and let all the migrants work and keep us on benefits?
Immigrants are great for the elite - cheap nanny's, cheap servants to do the chores. Not perhaps so good for our young people who can't get the sort of "first jobs" they used to - hotels, shops, restaurants etc. - the flood of unskilled immigrants have taken all of those. That is the reality Mr. Bercow.
Bercow is a politician ,the definition of politics is POLY--- MANY TICS -----BLOOD SUCKING PARASITES Now do you understand
They're only harder workers if their supervisor is watching them with eyes like a hawk!
His comments are accurate and he is entitled to his view, but he is still out of his depth as Speaker, especially with the baggage he carries in the form of his stupid wife. Both have demeaned the position. Labour brought him in as a childish spite stunt, surely the government can remove him and restore the dignity of the role to its pre Mick Martin days.
Bu 11 sh 1t
Thats very true !!!!!
Good point, John: now zip it and allow one of these hard workers to have your job because you are not up to it! Come to think of it: maybe these hard working migrants might care to stand for election to the Commons and displace the rest of the venal shower masquerading as 'honourable' Members of Parliament?!
So which political interest group is Bercow trending now? **innocent face**
He is only being a good little boy and following orders. Perhaps its because David has promised him a vote on Euro, IF IF IF IF IF IF, David is extremely fortunate and beats UKIP.
It is clear that the midget has not learnt from his wife's ill chosen utterances! What a pillock. He should not be in the job!
all I can say when I am served by Eastern Europeans in restaurants they are rude and not pleasant. Before they came, we had British waitresses and waiters, they did the job well enough so why import labour. Oh yes I know, to keep the wages down. Prezzo is a chain that must only employer eastern europeans, if you go into any of their restaurants that is the only people that serve you. What about local people doing the job for reasonable wages, not for buttons.
Then maybe we could have some better politicians then, as the ones we have now are lazy and useless. And anyone who sticks up for his comments are disrespectful to the British people. Comments like this from our politicians really anger me, the sooner they go the better
When are we going to get anyone in politics who stands up for the british? Yet another reason for supporting UKIP!
Right Bercow this guy is,Has not worked out they are not wanted by the people who own this country,You are part of the Government which is charged with the Job of doing what your Employers want,thats right you are in office not to do what you want, But what the people want,So just get on with the job you are overpaid to do.
l have worked hard all my life,right from the age of 15 and payed my taxes.l now feel betrayed by the system,where l lost all my financial side of things and suffer my many ailments brought on by severe stress.How many have come here to go on the benefit system and work at the same time,while no taxes have been payed into the system and no NHS contributions.The money they receive is then sent over to their country of origin.Would you class this as fair,honest and hard working.l wouldn't
Yes but you have to remember the reasons why they seem harder working. Why should someone get out of a nice warm bed to go and work in a cold wet field when they can get enough money from the government to afford not to? To the immigrant the wage rates for mundane jobs are much higher here than their own country whereas to someone from here they are just as well off not bothering. Isn't this what IDS is trying to sort out.
"The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression.- Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:3" A "dinghy" pub? What, you mean one that floats at sea? If you could actually spell and use the English language correctly, then your post would have more chance of being taken seriously. (Just in case you still don't get the point, a "dinghy" is a small boat.) On a separate note, having worked in NYC (Manhattan) for a year, it never failed to amaze me just how many US staff seemed to make a career of walking around the office all day, waving bits of paper, but doing little else. Just saying...
Iyou don't k ow what you are talking about, you and your stupid wife represent the worst in this country. Have you ever done hard physical labour. Iguessnot, and as for your wife,well words fail me. I have two hardworking grandchildren aged18 and 22. I suggest you do a weeks work ononstruction, and cycle four miles each and e dry day, there and back in all weathers. How dare you pass judgment.
The Gov has destroyed this country and traditional values - why should we retain thetraditional value of hard work.
Now what about a Romanian as new speaker, cheaper and more hard wordking than Bercow (that wouldn't ask for much !)
He and his daft wife don't spoil a pair, do they?
I think what he says is rubbish, it is just an excuse to not pay Brits the wages we expect to earn. I know of any immigrants that work harder than Brits, the ones I know of play hooky, slack on the job, the crime in the workplace goes up and the hygiene of the toilets goes downhill. The employers want to pay peanuts, and the immigrants will accept it, that is the truth.
He is right, they are harder workers. They are the people in the UK doing most of the unskilled and back breaking work. You don't see a Pole working in a shop or any customer based jobs do you? They doing hard, manual work and they don't complain about it. I work in an office, i sit down most of the day, i have a brew when i want and i do a fair bit of work but people I work with still moan. These guys are working non-stop for the whole day with a couple of breaks and they just get on with it. Show me a Brit who is prepared to pick fruit and veg for eight hours a day? They won't do it because if they would be prepared to there wouldn't be such a demand for migrant workers. You all blame foreigners for everything when its the lazy brits you need to be angry at.
Believes his own propaganda....wife paid her bill yet ?
He is a stupid man. Yesterday, I was talking to a young lady in my local who was eating her lunch. I got there for coffee in the mornings and to read some of the newspapers. She works behind the bar. I said Are you on your lunch hour, Daisy? She said no we do not get one of those here. I said how long are you working today and she said from 10am until 11pm. And that is on just over £6.00 an hour. She is English. But most of the people I see working there are not. And they work these long hours as the pay is so crap. But I do not think that it is right as it is against Health and Safety to not have a lunch break. And all the pubs are doing it now. No lunch. And crap money. So when Mr Belcrow comes out with this nonsense may be he would like to go work in a pub all day and not get a lunch break. He has basically no clue what is going on in his own country.
Iyou don't k ow what you are talking about, you and your stupid wife represent the worst in this country. Have you ever done hard physical labour. Iguessnot, and as for your wife,well words fail me. I have two hardworking grandchildren aged18 and 22. I suggest you do a weeks work ononstruction, and cycle four miles each and e dry day, there and back in all weathers. How dare you pass judgment.
Golly, what a twit, but that's tories for you. Still, when I claw back all that fuel allowance from rich, fat pensioners, we'll be in clover for evermore.
The gypsies we have around here in central london work very hard at begging, stealing and messing up our beautiful parks. Work hard indeed.
He wouldn't know a hard days work if it slapped him in the face. Cheeky git. VOTE UKIP.
The duty of government is to encourage it's own people to work. not find it easier to import the labour from other nations.
John Bercow and his wife have at least one thing in common. They both open their mouths before engaging their brains. I doubt John Bercow has ever done or is likely to do a hard days work in his life.
Bercow is just trying to excuse what has been done to the British people over the last sixty years, by talking up the 'benefits' of immigration. He is a true example of our ruling political elite, contemptuous of the ordinary person in the street and convinced of his own wonderfulness.
This odious little dwarf and his equally odious and vacuous wife are a disgrace to their country. The several million hardworking Britons who really keep this country up and running have been under attack from traitorous parasites like bercow for too long who, like the bulk of our political class, seem incapable of visiting foreign countries without rubbishing their own and its inhabitants. He should be removed from his post and ideally publically flogged.
Vote UKIP and free our country!
You should ask all the british construction workers who have to clean up the errors of these Europeans. Health & Safety means nothing to them, but of course its still our fault if something goes wrong.
I may be controversial here, but Hey, it's what I have seen first hand! When the first wave of workers came over from Poland, the experience at my company was that Yes, they worked very hard and were very willing. However, increasingly, we have found that as each new "wave" arrives, they are far less hard working - lazy, in some cases - and also very insolent, moody and prone to insubordination. Since there is hard evidence how much money is sent "back home", whilst they pay tax, etc., one has to question just how much money stays within the UK economy, unlike with UK nationals who both live and work in the UK. Another example: the hairdresser my wife goes to is staffed largely by Eastern Europeans. One guy, who my wife thought was a very good hairdresser, was only there for a couple of months. When she asked why he left so quickly, the salon owner said he had come to the UK mainly for NHS treatment and had now "gone home"!!!
How does he know?
He going to get away with what he has said while the immigration madness continues. Nothing's going to change.
Two points, Who paid for this trip to go to the Romanian parliament, British taxpayer is my guess. and when Mr Berkow states that media coverage did not reflect the views of parliament, that's is not what is at stake here, it's the view of the other sixty five million other people in the country that count.
What a pair of clowns Berkow and his wayward spouse. They would not know what hard work was.
"Some are.................but what about the crime wave that came with it? What about the cost to the NHS, to housing and Schools. This dwarf needs to go home and get dominated by his idiot wife.- Keith , Midlands" - Nice one - Total agreement.
His kind of right.
Reply to Ted 1078.......... what has football / soccer got to do with the article about John Bercow ?
The voters in his constituency had a chance to get rid of him and vote in Farage. What a message that would have sent to the political establishment that despise us. Instead the idiots voted LibLabCon as usual.
then we should replace our MPs with eastern Europeans as well, maybe they would work a full year for less wages and give value for money
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out! - Walter, Stuttgart, Germany, 5/6/2013 3:25 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++You are a complete moron !!!!
What has happened to the House of Commons Speakers, first we have Glasgow Mick then Bercow both political appointments and traded between Conservatives and Labour. For to long its been a faux pas in the higher circles to believe in your Country.
Ok then Berk-ow let some Eastern European chap do YOUR job on the gravy train. Got to be cheaper and more dignified than your train wreck of a wife.
He was obviously referring to himself.
What a silly little man with a silly little view of the world. We are no worse and in many cases better than any other workers in the world. He should stick to sorting his own house out before commenting in such general terms on the people who provide him with work although sitting in a chair all day is stretching the concept.
The poison dwarf of British politics. Gutless leadership now leaves GB facing a tsunami of Romanian and Bulgarian unemployed, with the EU stating they will be entitled to all benefits.
The guy is an idiot but sometimes idiots, even unwittingly, tell the truth. Eastern Europeans are hard workers and their kids will be totally integrated UK citizens. Can we say that about all our immigrants, including the non-EU ones which are Britains sole responsibility?
words fail me ,this man is lower than a snakes belly
What a generalistic comment, don't tar everyone with the same brush Bercow you idiot, I have worked for 31 years with the prospect of another 20 years in fromt of me. Don;t you dare tell me I don;t work hard !
Has this parasite ever done a proper day's work in his life? Typical of our traitor politicians, doing their best to talk down our country and displace the natives with mass immigration.
Its up to the voters in Buckingham to vote him out please, please vote him out
Oh, for those calling this man a Tory, he actually has Labour sympathies. They are all as bad as each other, nowadays.
You only have to look at what is being spent on welfare benefits I rest my case on that British are lazy
Why don't we get a Migrant in as Speaker then and kick him out of his cushy number. How can any MP dare to criticise the British worker from their subsidised palace. Why is he going round visiting Romania anyway? What must the Romanians think of us when he turns up toadying around them.
I have worked with a lot of migrants half were even more lazy than the brits and the other half were just trying to get a years work in so they could claim off the state and work cash in hand!!
well in a way he's right because when I used to get kids coming on work experience they were a night mare that was when they finally arrived, everything was too much trouble to do, they kept saying they wouldn't work for the minimum wage and all they wanted to was mess about on their mobiles, in the end I told my employers I didn't want any more of them.
I have thought for years that the british government both labour and tories, along with quangos and those people who do surveys whether we are being charged too much and find we never are [but we know we are] dislike, infact hate the british people. this has now been confirmed.
So the jobs go to migrants and the benefits are collected by the British. Sounds logical.
I do not have a problem with people from eastern Europe they do not blow us up on Busses Planes and Trains as others do who we are not to talk about as we may offend them.
I find this type of statement from our so called politicians (who by the way are accountable to the BRITISH people) very annoying and frustrating as I spent 40 years working in various industries in the UK and can honestly say that all my British working collegues always went that extra mile to achieve results so Bercow don't lable us hard working Brits as a bunch of scivers!
What a very silly man. Time he went. Perhaps he should try getting a job on minimum wage nowadays, when there is so much competition from these migrants. Politicians don't understand just how bad the impact is for most people from migrants, because they don't live in the real world. There are companies out there who will only take on migrants, and this kind of talk just encourages discrimination. Time someone stood up for the UK man in the street!
2 milllion Brits are forever looking for a job.Eastern-Europeans come and get a job within days.How comes?
Not harder workers,Cheaper workers is what he meant to say.
Why do this countries Politicians hate it's people so much¿ if wasn¿t for 'people' like Bercow and mass immigration the true British wouldn¿t be so disenfranchised.  
resign!! just resign !!
Okay posh boy, lets have a migrant doing your cushy job, we all know they'll do a better job than you.
Typical leftie communist, out to destroy our country, him and his revolting wife make a right pair!
Insults and ridicule! That's a sure fire way to win the populace over, not. Just who is this idiot working for? I agree with you John Graham, Hailey 8:06 I too would like to see the evidence of economic prosperity immigration has supposedly brought here.
The slimey backstabbing arrogant multifaceted twit. I work hard, my colleagues work hard. We pay our taxes to keep him in his grace and favour abode. The very OVERPAID imbecile!!!!!
There is no doubt that an Eastern European Speaker would be preferable to our present one. Come to think of it, anybody would be an improvement on Mr Twerp!
He is right. All you right ring moaners should take a leaf out these hard working people and get a job yourselves instead of leaving your comments on here. The Eastern Europeans are hard working and law abiding. So it's fine for us to moan but still have holiday homes all over Europe, no wonder most other countries don't like us. Idiots who have narrow minded opinions about immigrants are the same idiots that give the rest of us a bad name, I am glad they are here if you don't like it live somewhere else instead. Deal with it, they are here to stay.
Because the wages are cheaper and they send most of their money back home to build a future there not here and hardly speak a word of English, oh and while we are at it, is there not a case on this very page involving three women from a hospital who cruelly treated patience, they came from overseas....Yes there is Mr Berk .Ps and yes there are the few overseas people that do work hard in this country...We are overloaded with people ..pps yes and there are also a lot of lazy brits ..
This is a severe kick in the teeth to all British born workers who have been priced out of a job..........!
And EVERYONE in work, rergardless of their origins, works harder than you do you parasitic, useless little pr***.
...and he works at what exactly?
After a long line of respectable and dignified House Speakers - but typical of the downward trend in respectability at Westminster overall - the mould was broken when the admirable Betty Boothroyd retired. Her successors, first Martin and now Bercow, have brought the high office of Speaker into disrepute and shame. That Bercow has a vulgar, attention-seeking wife in tow, drags it down even further.
This man is as thick a plank as his wife and I agree with alyjas of Wakefield - wouldn't know hard work if it jumped up (doesn't need to be far) and bit him on the behind. Try telling this to the people of Boston (Lincs) who now feel outsiders in their own town.
Shouldn't Bercow have taken a tip from the actions of Silly Sally and keep his stupid thoughts to himself. The British are sick of being insulted by the likes of this man, only in his position because of a puerile act from Labour who knew the Conservatives did not want him. That is the sort of juvenile idiots who make our laws. Yes, Cameron should have got rid of him, but when Cameron do the right thing ?
What does he know about hard work, probably thinks manual labour is a Spaniard.
Harder working than him maybe !
I work in hospitality and can hand on heart say the Eastern Europeans ARE the hardest workers. I just don't know if the same applies elsewhere!
Honestly this guy is a complete buffoon, how he is voted as a representation of a constituency is beyond me. He is a true representation of what is wrong with politicians.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34----------------------------------and for us Brits it reads....I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their backsides in some pub drinking ale all day, while watching football. They are a drain on society,blah blah blah zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz- Jock Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States
Reveals the true attitude of the ruling classes. We ordinary folk should let people walk over us with boots on and then apologise for getting in the way.
you live on £6 a hr and see what you think, you plonker
Mr Bercow could do himself a great service if only he would keep his mouth shut.
The total scant regard of the British people by our so called Political elite staggers me at times. They are so out of touch and will not listen to the consensus that they are not fit for purpose
Some are.................but what about the crime wave that came with it? What about the cost to the NHS, to housing and Schools. This dwarf needs to go home and get dominated by his idiot wife.
The country haven't seen any benefit from him or his wife just debt.
He and his wife are the most odious pair and should both disappear to Eastern Europe if that is his opinion. Some of the ones already here are pick pocketing in towns and cities, mugging, etc. Try reading the papers idiot.
Yes let's get some foreign politicians because our lot are useless lazy idiots
you want to look at yourself your job is not that hard none of you Tories have had a job in your lives
This speaker has always been a problem in his Job, he should not be airing his views and should be TOTALLY NEUTRAL. How can this man possibly give fair assessment in parliament when he is not totally impartial. He should be replaced, not just becaus eof this but because this is one of many immoral acts that this man (and his wife) has performed over the years. HE THINKS HE IS UNTOUCHABLE as the speaker. Lets get him sorted out. As Nigel Farage says, he is a disgrace to the British People.
so this means he puts all Brits in the same category???? I am NOT workshy and never have been and have also worked with eastern Europeans a lot and yes they do work hard but no more than what I do. its all good and well making a statement like this but he should have got his facts right first. I agree a lot of Brits are work shy but so are the Europeans coming over to claim benefits that I YES ME and other hard working brits pay for.
take his job off of him and give it to sn eastern European
Yes that may be true because a lot of the immigrants are less obese, taller, fitter and living as single guys over here with no mortgage to pay. It's like a holiday job for them and they live in groups mostly men behaving badly and a lot partying at night and wooing all the females they can find. They work excessively and at speed because their families are back home mostly and nothing to rush home for at the end of the working day. I admire the work ethic and their fitness but they are making our employment problems worse and our own unemployed get daily more depressed and more out of condition. A relative of mine recently took a minimum wage job after 5 months unemployed and found he could not get any help with his private rent and it was a month before he got paid! This pitches single workers into debt right away..there is no fnancial assistance until they have been unemployed for 6 months..strange philosophy to penalise people for getting a job sooner rather than later?
Yes folks, vote for any of the Lib/Lab Contrick parties and what you get is Monster Screaming Raving Loony notions.
Harder workers or not, they do work hard overall. In my experience of working in an increasingly Eastern European workplace, I found them hard working and prepared to put in extra hours most other employees would shy away from. On top of a full time job most would quite often have a second job, or be studying at college, usually English. I think it was a very sweeping and unnecessary statement to make, but some of these migrants are more hardworking than English born citizens. I'm not saying all are as honest as the ones I've come across, but then again, some British play the welfare system too.
Well with a name like Bercow - he would say that, wouldn't he? When did he drop the Z in his name?
They are LAZY
Thank you , for acknowledging hard work, Sir. Most of the time these so called ''immigrants'' get work is because the lax lazy white boys and gals who DM will like to lable as''our people'' do not want to work...be honest Bless all serve all.......We are all one in this universe requiring each others help and guidance at all times Amen
He's a talentless fool, and his wife's a talentless fool!!!
Yeah - well come and live down my road then. And see the benefits of MASS immigration first hand. Live life like I have to, and then you will surely see the error of what you have said. Just another out of touch politician who's stupid comments do not reflect the average person on the street. OF COURSE you think its good, you have not been touched by the negatives of mass immigration like the rest of us. Just another politician showing how out of touch he is with the rest of us.
Because its impossible to find work for most Britons due to migrants. If you took away people who weren't born in the UK, unemployment would steadily increase. You just need to look at Australia to realise. Red Arrow me, but it's the truth.
Romanian parliament didnt we see them camping out in the middle of london recently
Why would you choose to empty Portable Toilets, clean-up after Festival, Race-goers and the weekend spewers when you can sit back and watch those with a work ethic doing these jobs? Just a pity that the DM finds this odious man worthy of a quote.
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It is obvious that all he is wanting to do is cause some deflection from his wife's shenanigans. This is a man who was put in this position by liebour, whose wife is a liebour supporter, and a person who would say anything to ensure he got his name into print. Papers should just ignore him he is a little man trying to fill a big office and failing. It is a fervent hope of mine that come the General Election on May 7th 2015 he fails to get enough votes and forfeits his deposit.
Total BS. I have lived in Poland for some time and from what I have seen here, most of them wouldn't have lasted a day at the places where I used to work. Even other Poles comment on how slow most Manuel workers are here. In the local news paper they even had a series of articles taking the 'P' out of some workers who were putting in new sewer pipes, because the job was going so slowly they even included pictures of them standing around doing nothing. And let's not mention the attitude of service staff, although I have seen some improvement in this area.
What chance has this country got when its own politicians are against there own people? Solution vote UKIP
What he means is they work for half the pay,which makes the employers happy.And then Brits cant get a job.Then the same politicians call them lazy.
Who was paying for this visit to Bucharest - presumably the British taxpayer? Why on earth was he visiting the Romanian parliament and in what way could it possibly be relevant to his job?
This is incorrect. Some people work hard, others do not. It varies from person to person. It has nothing to do with nationality. The fact that we have so many, many foreign based criminal enterprises across our nation shows the weakness in system.
What would this pompous idiot know about ordinary life peering down on the plebs from his ivory tower
Oh and i have been pitted against E Europeans for the last 20 years and not one has been faster than me
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
Can Romania keep him
For the last 4 years I have worked as a self employed financial agent working on a commission basis only - the company is desperate for new agents to date no Eastern European has applied ,is it because they can not work HARD enough on a commission only basis?
Oh my god shut up you stupid man. It doesn't effect you in your posh house on your posh street. Try living in east London when you are the only English speaking person on a full bus. Feels great..
What and overbearing, pompous, obnoxious, fool. If he thinks that all Eastern Europeans are hard workers he is sadly deluded. The Eastern Europeans that will go to Britain will be the ones that can't and won't get a job and just live off benefits. They have very little or no recognized skills and are renowned for poor quality workmanship. Birk-cow should be graising in a field with the rest of his bovine friends. I know for a fact that most of the people that left the Czech Republic for Britain are gypsies and the word WORK is not in their vocabulary.
What a cheek this man has. We have a right to a break whilst working, it is something that we British fought for. I think if Mr Bercow thinks the Eastern Europeans work harder he should get himself into one of the many kitchen's in one of the many restaurants in London, they work 18 hour days running 5 or more consecutively this is something the Eastern Europeans can not cope with and many leave. Mr Bercow "ORDER ORDER" now that is a difficult job !
What right does someone in USA have to comment on how the British work!! nyc USA!!!
If there is any honour left in Parliament (and thAt's doubtful), THIS FOOL MUST BE SACKED, AND FORCED TO JOIN THE (LAZY?) UNEMPLOYED, AND THEN GIVEN A JOB TO SUIT HIS CHARACTER (ANY SUGGESTIONS WHAT THIS SHOULD BE?) Bobby, Leicester........How about one of the 7 dwarves in a Christmas pantomime and his gobby wife as an usherette.
That's because a fair chunck of brits would rather sit at home and claim benefits than actually go and do a hard days graft for low wages, no pride and no work ethic- jestaudio , birmingham, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 08:03 Of course, to your mind, this couldn't possibly apply to any immigrant, could it? Oh no, there are no unemployed immigrants in this country, just as there is no cheap labour taking the place of Britons (and making them unemployed) who have to survive at our high cost of living. Oh no, that couldn't be the case because well off people who employ them for peanuts keep telling us how wonderful they are.
hahaha not all britons, some yes. Especially anyone in government who lets face it, are only slightly above our feckless scroungers in terms of how much (or little) they contribute.
What on earth is Berkow doing in Romania in the first place? The role of Speaker is to oversee the workings of the House of Commons - in London, England! He is NOT a branch of the Foreign Office. If his comments have a grain of truth, it is because Socialsim (as espoused by his missus) has provided a life of ease for the feckless, which many have been happy to exploit. Remove the Benefits and you would be amazed how many would be willing to work hard if starvation beckoned!
Bercow's words merely reflect the agenda of the politicial class, they hold the British people in contempt, while milking us dry, they tell us we are lazy, racist, and traduce us at every opportunity. They are using mass immigration, cultural replacement and social engineering to replace us with a nation more in keeping with their Frankfurt School inspired agenda.
IDIOT!! It has had NO benefit at all! These people are used to working for low wages, in line with their countries lower costs of living! All it has done for British people is drive the wages even lower than they were before!
Around %30 of the ones i know are drug dealers
This man and his wife are a disgrace to British life. I don't know how he keeps his job. Every MP should vote to sack him, not to mention his assistant.
Does anybody care, or believe what this absolute wally says? He and his wife should get out of Westminster, and find proper jobs like everyone else has to. Complete and utter idiots, both of them.
I expect they are harder workers than John Bercow & his wife.
Partly true but a mainly deluded man. Look who he married.
.Its not soccer, its football you ignorant fool. If you're going to comment in a Brit paper at least be courteous enough to get the terminology right. - Semolina Pilchard, Liverpool, United Kingdom, 5/6/2013 7:48 For all you out there who love to complain when Americans, and certain others, call ¿Football¿, ¿Soccer¿, you should know that it was the British that invented the word and it was also one of the first names of what we now primarily know of as ¿Football¿. In fact, in the early days of the sport among the upper echelons of British society, the proper term for the sport was ¿Soccer¿. Not only that, but the sport being referred to as ¿Soccer¿ preceded the first recorded instance of it being called by the singular word ¿Football¿ by about 18 years. This happening when it became more popular with the middle and lower class. When that happened, the term ¿Football¿ gradually began dominating over ¿Soccer¿ and the then official name ¿Association Football¿.
I have no problem whatsoever with skilled English speaking migrants coming to this country from anywhere. The classic Polish builder is a well known example of how hard working and talented they can be. What I do have a problem with is the government not having a clue who is here, letting anyone and everyone squander our NHS rescources and finally, having to allow thousand of migrants in who have no skills and don't speak the language. Anyone listening to Nick Ferrari on LBC this morning???
What a plonker...I used to buy into the mantra of the lazy British worker until I lived in France....now they really are lazy....British workers are generally hard working and if you want a job done properly 9 times out of 10 it behoves you to have a Brit worker. This little worm Bercow needs to go, he is an embarrassment and an ignorant jumped up nobody!
Did not make a success in their own countries ,same people
Red arrow me as much as you want but he is right migrants are harder workers than british workers!
Jock strap, Greenwich Village, NYC, United States. The Americans think its their birthright to own a house at any cost and look at the fine mess that created economically around the world People in glass houses and all that!
Is he not the same person who has a nanny working for him that is paid by a taxpayer. If he can't clean his shoes on his own he shouldn't criticise others. What does Mr Speaker do in his job besides sit like a dummy in parliament?
There is a certain truth in what he says - ask any cabbage farmer in East Anglia BUT, he is still an idiot!
He was probably comparing them to his wife!
Having advertised for a job well above minimum wage and not getting a single response from the thousands of our own Brits without a job..... I'd say I agree
Berkow with his dippy wife are a couple of complete idiots - time to go!!!
Lock him up
Remarkable how patriotic our leaders are. How moral and incorruptible. How hard-working and competent. We plebs are truly blessed.
What would he know about hard work.
New World Order goes marching forwards and upwards!
he has more days off then a pregnant duck himself but he is British too so that explains why he took the easy way
That is probably because the EU and our government have emotionally battered the British people into NON SELF BELIEF - Don't they get it - it is them that make us feel useless by not listening to a word we say and take our point of view into consideration - they just bulldoze their way through and disrespect us as a nation. Who would want to work for a so called boss as that.
why doesn't he live next door to them idiot. shut up.
What's up Bercow, need to take the floodlight of exposure off your wife. If you are so disloyal to your countrymen you should not be in your present job. 7 May 2015, the day you get your P45.
This man as no moral sense. Like the last Speaker he is self self and self. He should be drummed out of this role. Maybe he has one working for him and his wife in the grace and favour accommodation that we have too pay out for. Maybe after getting Mugged-Pickpockted or Burgled by one or the other Eastern Countries immigrants he'll change his feeble deluded mind. ANYTHING TO PUT DOWN THE HARD WORKED OVERTAXED BRITS.
every job they take is one less for brits that are allowed to stay on benefits
More rubbishing of the British Workforce by the Political Elite, before EU expansion the crops did not rot in the fields the Supermarket shelves were stacked, the houses and extension were built. If Bercow is so keen on Eastern Europe why did he have his original name Bercowitz anglisised to Bercow, never in a million years could John Bercowitz become an English Gentleman. _ Vote UKIP
Perhaps his wife would like to "tweet" her views as well?
Why do we forget so easily? These poor folk in Eastern Europe were signed over to Stalin by Churchill on a piece of paper after WW2. We abandoned them all. While they suffered decades of living in fear & oppression & we grew fat, wealthy & arrogant, believing we were the saviours of the world! They did not choose to be born there, that's a lottery of life people, just as they did not choose the regime they suffered under. Why should they not want to search for a better life? We are all human beings, none better than the other. When we begin to truly appreciate this amazing gift of life, then we may appreciate each other, our planet and it's amazing gifts rather than treating it as our larder and creating unnecessary conflict. It is easy to condemn, far harder to understand ...those lucky enough in the lottery of life to be born in the UK should feel very grateful & understand, not vilify, those that were not. Understand just how fortunate you are & the majority of those born are not ..
How can this be when it pushes up unemployment, a strain on our NHS system, housing, prisons etc. How ridiculous. We can do without idiots such as him.
When will this oink be fired? He is a waste of the air he breathes. The less we hear from him & his wife the better. If he ends up in the lords it will be an absolute disgrace.
you have my vote ,Sir.
The truth hurts does it not?
What a naive cosseted little man he is, look at them all in Westminster where every thing is subsidised in the restaurants and canteens plus a gold plated pension to boot, they live in shangri - lar compared to us everyday folk
Bercow must be talking about MP's !!
Further to my last post (if it gets posted) is the quote from David Rockefeller at the Bilderberg meeting in 1991.... Quote: "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years." He went on to explain: "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries." -- David Rockefeller, Speaking at the June, 1991 Bilderberger meeting in Baden, Germany (a meeting also attended by then-Governor Bill Clinton and by Dan Quayle
Says he who has 13 weeks holiday a year at the tax payers expense.
This guy is a gold plated fake and it becomes apparent whenever he opens his mouth.
all the parties are the same voice of this moronic man. thats why I will now and forever be voting the only party for the working brit.
I can only speak from my personal experience. They did my loft conversion for me about five years ago. I've not had any complain about the quality of their work. For about two months that the work took, they without fail, reported for duty at 08:00 am everyday. and it was done for three quarter of the price quoted by their British counterparts. Having said this, others might have a different experience.
Didn't we have 13 years of labour trying to justify imports?
There are migrants and there are migrants. Many work but many are parasites on the benefit system. Does he think that the hate preachers are good hardworking citizens ? - and they are just the tip of the ice-berg. The man needs putting out in the garden where he belongs.
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
Little weed should and supposed to keep is little mouth shut!!!
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." NO Mr Bercrow but they do reflect the views of the British polulation, and we now have it from your mouth that Parliment does not respect the wishes of it's people. Time to vote UKIP
I have a good friend that gets up at 2.30am every morning........milks over 300 cows..........then works on other tasks until 4.00 pm most days.........He is owed over 15 weeks holiday pay because not even the Polish can do his job so he has to be there............and yes surprisingly Mr Bercow he is English........yes English........
Who would listen to that self serving parasite.
the foolish man has committed political suicide,
Go away odious little man
He may be right, but what is in no doubt is that my counties police most wanted list of around 80 villains is 75% foreign, and every week in the local paper the court round up is a third foreign, both way higher than the foreign population percentage.
Speaking as someone who has employed both migrants and British workers out on the farm, this is technically true, as time and time again I found that locals could get the same money from the DSS for doing nothing as I could pay them for working. No brainer really, cut benefits and force locals to go out into the fields picking fruit and veg, only then can we ditch the migrants.
What our governing idiots have really achieved is to make us look like slavers - they are encouraging the uneducated and poor to come here and work for low wages, live in God awful conditions usually under the heavy hand of their own kinsmen or are given all kinds of benefits free when they have not paid anything towards it and we are depicted as lazy louts who live on benefits. Then they have the nerve to preach to us about OUR shortcomings from a position of so called power leaching off others and living the high life.
he must be sacked,TODAY.
How would the poisoned dwarf know, his experience of British workers is fellow MP¿s?
How would he know? He's never been in a real job and never lived in the real world unlike the rest of us. I suggest he gets out and about in towns and cities around the UK and see the reality of immigration.
If there is any honour left in Parliament (and thAt's doubtful), THIS FOOL MUST BE SACKED, AND FORCED TO JOIN THE (LAZY?) UNEMPLOYED, AND THEN GIVEN A JOB TO SUIT HIS CHARACTER (ANY SUGGESTIONS WHAT THIS SHOULD BE?) Bobby, Leicester
Obviously the sign of a man with limited intelligence, insult the good hard working people who are paying your wages. How nice of you Mr Bercow.
NO THEY ARE NOT. They are given the jobs because they are cheaper. Boycott all companies and shops who employ them. Hit these companies where it hurts. Their POCKETS. - Devine , London, United Kingdom, 05/6/2013 07:48++++++First and foremost, we do have shirkers, as do many other Countries. However, as you rightly point out, they are used as cheap Labour over the indigenous workforce. MP's, and others who voice off, saying the British are workshy are well aware of the "cheap Labour" aspect but for some reason continue to shout it from the rooftops. This to me is trying to justify their ultimate goal of De-Nationalising, not only our Country but others as well. The Bilderberg group is assembling here in a couple of days. One can only wonder what their agenda for the future of all Countries are. The Words of one of its members "Rockefeller" spelt it out perfectly......their aim in his words is for a one world Government.....Far fetched? check it out.
I am an Englishman who like most others of my generation, have worked and paid taxes for over 55 years, to end up paying people like him to run our country. I find him very offensive and distasteful. If he thinks migration is so great why does he not do the popular thing and migrate to E. Europe, that would get 'my vote'.
Odious little traitor. Remember who pays your wages, expenses and and nanny Bercow. WHY HAS HE BEEN LET OUT OF THE COUNTRY?
He's right. You don't see many English on the bus's a 6 in the morning off to clean our hospitals.
There can be no country in the History of the World where politicians like we are saddled with in the UK have consistently failed to put the interests of their own people first.
British people are not busy at pick pocketing talk about our elected idiots hating us!
I have spent a lifetime putting incentive schemes into British manufacturing and I am sick to death of ill-informed people like Bercow running down British workers. I have found them to respond readily to new systems of working and apply themselves to the task in hand. When Bercow and his ilk give value for money instead of milking the system then maybe he can give lectures - until then, button it !
Time to go BIRKow
Well when it comes to work I have to agree.The East Europeans are much hard worker than British and also they work for much less. But still fairly I have to say the British people deserve the job places first and then the immigrants! But they have to make a go for it and not only sits at home on benefits!!! 80% of Blairs and Browns generation people ( kids) are at home on benefits instead of looking for work!!!
What a prat! Yes if they r robbing our streets!!
because the pounds worth more in their country than ours so when they send it home to their families or save it to buy property or businesses back home it's like they've been paid double what a low wage Brit would get. stop bashing brits it's getting boring. vote ukip if your a Brit on a low wage competing with foreigners. ukip don't brit bash
So the British get it in the neck again regarding being workshy? I think we are all tired of getting put down by our politicians when they travel abroad and yet most of the British army are drawn from the same working class and praised to the hilt. The labour market has been dumbed down so that the likes of the politicians in London can have cheap carers, hotel workers, nannies, builders etc to keep them in the luxury they want but cannot really afford with British workers who did not want to see their living standards eroded. These people such as Bercow are Traitors to the British working class. The class system in this country is the root of all evil. Here we have a publicly paid (by us through our taxes) demeaning the British working class of this country in another country. What some people want are "slaves". People want a certain standard of living in all social stratas of society and woe betide anybody that doesnt understand that one especially the politicians in Britain.
Err theres plenty of eastern europeans claiming our benefits too and at least they are keeping our police force in jobs
And that is why our prisons are filled with them. People trafficking is on the up and the streets arent safe. Nice one!
I'm sure if he said Romanians were less hard working...he would be called a racist...but it's ok to keep knocking the Brits !
Maybe we should replace the government with Eastern Europeans as they will work harder.
It's dishonest and misguided to speak for a nation of people who you clearly don't know.. Perhaps he is speaking from personal experience, in which case he seems to be admitting that he's bone idle. I'm sick of these stupid blanket statements about lazy Brits.. Why are we constantly talking down the country? Yes, immigration is good.. For driving down wages and driving up house prices.. Brilliant.
So why not elect several of them as MP`s and the countries problems will be solved in a jiffy?
Pint sized pratt.
Suggest he and his wife get a one-way ticket, out.
What an idiot this man and his wife keep proving them selfs to be...who pays his wages..????
And the people in "Skint" are harder workers than you, Bercow.
Well, the way the country has gone down the pan during the past thirty years proved that John Bercow and all those who have served in the mother of parliaments have been complete failures, They are seen and have been watched by journalists and the people who have proved that MPs are bone idle, liars and cheats in every sphere of public life! Hard work begins with leaders at the top, if people see those leaders are bone idle then it reflects on society..
To Quote Helen below: "What would Bercow know. The Eastern Eurpeons work hard. Drain the country more like. Vote UKIP." *****What would the average DM reader know?*****
lets be honest eastern europeans want to work, people like the philpotts etc want to claim dole, its a fact and useless trying to say it isn't. that shouldn't mean we have let in so many though, its ridiculous
That sums it up : pay the migrants 7 £ / hour on a 6 month temp contract and charge customers 65 £ / hr.
He certainly have the enemy within and it's in Government all on sides we are being attacked its disgrafull!
If these economic migrants are good for Britain why can't they be good for the country they come from? In my opinion when a country joins the EU, and its usually for economic development reasons, the EU should invest large amounts of money and develop a strategic development plan for that country so that work and acceptable benefits are made available to the workforce and unemployed. This would help to stop the mass migration to developed countries.
Never forget that it was Labour who put this pompous ignorant man into such an important post.
You know what, I agree with him. Too many British people moan about them but if they're hard working what's the problem?
Well they certainly have a better work ethic than you Berky. When are you going to do the honourable thing and resign?
Bercow vs Farage. Who's right? I don't know and neither does anyone else here. None of us is in position to know. We have only our prejudices and biases to inform us.
Very poor judgement (again) - it simply is not his role as speaker to voice an opinion. Having done so it has only shown that as well as lacking in physical stature he is also sadly gravely lacking in intellectual stature as well. Why, oh why are there so many political pygmies in parliament???
As a 61 year old who has been in continuous employment since 1967 I resent these remarks. Let's see how this relates to votes in the next election.
Yeah, there are great advantages to hiring immigrants, like paying a pittance, not bothering to pay National Insurance contributions and knowing you'll get away with it because your workers likely don't know employment law. The natives won't tolerate it, that's why they're so "lazy".
That rule will apply to most migrants everywhere. They want citizenship and are prepared to do the unpleasant and cheap jobs. Then when that's achieved they want quality of life same as the citizens. Long-term I guess an aim in rich societies will be for it's citizens to work less hours if their job is hated.
WHAT an absolute PRATT!!! ......He and his "wife" should stay together , they both make ARSES of themselves....he should be removed from his position in the house of commons!!! where you are supposed to represent and speak for the BRITISH PEOPLE!
What would any MP know about hard work, especially Bercow? It would make you laugh if only their sloth, stupidity and greed were not so flaunted.
Sorry but I'm afraid he has a point - they are prepared, indeed happy, to do the jobs a lot of British citizens turn their noses up at. Yes, there are some who take advantage of the benefits system and are involved in crime, but this is a minority and let's face it, there are plenty of British who behave in a similar fashion. The difference is that the Eastern Europeans seem to generally have a much better work ethic than a certain sector of British society who prefer to claim benefits and watch Jeremy Kyle than get off their backsides and work for a living.
I agree with you but I still can't stand your wife !
His comments make me so mad. I have worked since leaving college in 1983. I am extremely hard working, like all of my colleagues and friends, working additional hours most weeks without recompense or recognition. How dare these people, who get 3 months recess in the summer (!!!!!!!!) and several other such recesses throughout the year criticise the British public, accusing them of a lack of commitment and poor work ethic. It really angers me. I know more people who work hard than don't. Politicians need to remember that they work for us and stop these ridiculous sweeping statements that just make them look idiotic and uninformed. I'm so angry. Off to work now........
How would he know. Has he ever met any of these workers, or does he simply believe all he reads in The Daily Mail Comments. He should resign as a Member of Parliament for that comment. Or perhaps he still believes that Labour are for the Working Man. So long as the Working Man is anything but British.
I wonder - is there any chance that we could populate the House of Commons with people who actually represent and support the people of BRITAIN, and not by odious little puppets like bercow?
All they have done is driven down prices so tradesman in this country can't live! This man lives in a bubble on crazy amounts of money dished out by you and me. Can we have some real people in politics not these crooks please!
If that's the case then we should get a few hundred Eastern Europeans in to parliament to do the politicians jobs.
why the hell do people have to talk about work or lose benefits THERE ARE NO JOBS half a million mostly part time jobs or full time managers jobs for nearly three million unemployed and with school college and uni leavers this month that number will swell unless they are lucky enough to get some training as a no job at the end of it apprentice at £2.65 AN HOUR ...MAYBE IF THERE WERE NOT SO MANY IMMIGRANTS THERE WOULD BE MORE JOBS TO GO ROUND .SEEMS TO ME THIS COUNTRY SPEND TO MUCH TIME THINKING ABOUT OTHERS INSTEAD OF THERE OWN
Perhaps their MPs are more honest than ours too?
Work - this pig ignorant man doesn't know the meaning of the word.
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out! - Walter, Stuttgart, Germany, 5/6/2013 3:25>>>>>He does not hate Europe just the EU and what it is doing to Europe! As for his track record in the EU Parliament it seems that applies to all EU MEPs I have never ever seen more than a third of the seats occupied...at least he stands up and speaks out, unlike others!
Bercow,you are a disgrace.
Lets get a migrant as the new speaker then , he surely can't be any worse and hopefully wont have a publicity obssessed missus either.......
Charge the Parasite with Treason
Why on earth does this idiot imagine anyone is interested in his opinion.
The Eastern Europeans usually are great workers but so are the Brits, and I would ask , where is his evidence that this wave of immigrants has brought with it economic success to the country? However we can see and experience the damage it has done to our social structure in the country, services are struggling to cope, Education, Hospitals, social housing, together with some rather nasty violent crimes. I wish the immigrants had never come, it has changed my country. Politicians sold my birthright for a mess of potage
they get a better deal. free health care, benefits for themselves and partners, and a home.
Ive worked full time since I left school at 16. I even relocated from my home in North London to the west midlands (on my own at the age of 21) for a new job. how the hell do people like him get such high profile/paying jobs. absolute MORON.
has he been listening to his wife again with her fetish for itinerant!?!?! The Burk & the Cow!
Now we can see who are selling us out to the Eu, the very people supposedly there to protect our way of life and culture the politicians. It's long past the time when these Europhile traitors are removed, they have caused enough damage to our country. Bercow by name Burke by nature.
He represents the British people but makes comments that are racist against us. He is a disgrace and should not be allowed to represent us.
What planet are these people from???????
If they are so good then we better put them in the Houses of Parliament as MPs & a new speaker! Berco can come work in the real world were you have to pay for your lifestyle instead off freeloading!
Yes some immigrants may be hard working but what about all the immigrants who just come over to claim benefits
This presents a dilemma for the right wing - He's praising hard workers over layabouts / those with no work ethic / those with the handout mentality. That would normally be 'advantage - hard workers'. BUT, the comparison is pitting British born against foreign immigrants, which is always 'advantage - British'. Do they choose to praise a foreigner, or defend the work-shy?
I suppose he made these comments to draw public attention away from his silly workshy wife and her inane twittering. I wonder what his unemployed constituents think about his lauding of foreign workers who just possibly, might be taking jobs that they could do.
This bloke is repugnant.
Stop making excuses for the poor immigration mess! They are 'hard' workers because on the side they soak the benefit system whilst sending money back home.
Keep diggin' that hole, LibLabCon.
Perhaps Bercow should remember this saying, ".Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt".
When they take the job of a Brit of course they are working harder, because the Brit is now unemployed. - The Red Arrow King , London, 05/6/2013 05:36..................... That's because a fair chunck of brits would rather sit at home and claim benefits than actually go and do a hard days graft for low wages, no pride and no work ethic
What would Bercow know. The Eastern Eurpeons work hard. Drain the country more like. Vote UKIP.
Depends which migrants you are talking about.
Bercow should be put in the coal mines; totally obnoxious little squirt
Given that there are seven billion on the planet there is bound to be some people who work longer than we do, but that is no reason at all to bring them in to our borders and so dispossess the people. The only quality there people value in humanity is propensity for slavery.
Well lazy MP's jobs aren't threaten by Eastern-Europeans so they say what they like and keep lying. They ok with selling our utilities and companies to foreigners, our jobs going to foreigners since their jobs are not threaten and feel comfortable and secured. As for Eastern-Europeans working harder? pleaseeee they only work cheaper.
The average (or even below average) immigrant has benefitted this country more than Berkow has, but that's not difficult. UKIP UKIP UKIP!
As an employer, I have said the same thing myself before, although the DM chose not to post it. In my experience migrant workers have a much better work ethic than British workers who I have found to be lazy and I'm sure the migrant workers are doing the jobs that British workers wouldn't lower themselves to do. Why should they? There's always the dole.
Another m0r0n that needs to go
TRAITORUS LITTLE PILLOCK
Well the influx created by his Government has certainly kept the Police busy!
harder working than the British DO you think that is because they have a job and the British do not due to the influx of migrants
We should have seasonal migrants who come here and help with harvest and unless they pass the English test, do not preach hate, and come with means, I don't mind them here. Not those who commit crimes on the motorway to scam insurance companies, or kill their loved ones, or cannot speak the language! We don't want any more translation on the council list...
True there are some slackers in society. but I blame past governments for breading the benefits culture. now we have a situation where wages have been driven down by cheap foreign workers housing prices driven up by immigrants. public services drained by immigrants. care for me to carry on J B!.. lets not forget how this wil affect pensions for the future....I work 70 hours a week to suport my family..what do you do you tory muppet...about time you and your wife climbed back under the rock you both slithered out from......VIVA LA UKIP!
Thats why the prisons are full of them!!!
Hard working builder £10 per hour with no teabreaks, turns up every day and job done on time or Brit builder £25/30 per hour, teabreak every hour, unsighted for days and job still unfinished on the time agreed. Bit of a no brainer really isn't it....
Well this is "rich" coming from him, he who belongs to the oldest "old boys network" in the country, when are the people of this country going to get wise ? just take a look at how many failed politicians are elevated to the upper house, ( most of them we don't hear much about, until something happens,ie" Jack Cunningham) the "kwangos" are also filled with either failed politicians, or their various friends. So next time one of them has the "nerve" to comment on our work ethic, just remember the above.....
Well why not give your local village up to these hard working immigrants them? There's a load more on the way from Rumania to choose from. Or better still, just ride off in to the sunset with with your other idea of a wonderful person...The wife!
This must be the only country in the world where it's own Government puts it's own people down. What must the world think of us? when you get Cameron Osborn now Bercow putting us down. Mass migration to a small country is not good no matter how you disguise it.
F H sad britain ;; get your facts right he is a blairite through and through not a tory in fact he is so anti tory it shows every time he opens his mouth and as for his wife the least said the better as i could be locked up for what i might say ,it looks like he his after something to help pay for her huge court case bill unless her tv(ahem) friend will help pay the money
Obnoxious man. What does he know about hard work? How about cutting back on the amount of low paid immigrants coming to this country and actually give our kids a chance of a job!
Yeah because he has such s hard job he would know what hard work is. Just another example of an overpaid civil servant laughing at the common taxpayer.
I agree - they're out in all weather selling the Big Issue just so they can become self-employed and claim benefits. Invaluable contribution to British society!
Rubbish! I knew a time when the british worked very hard for the pittance that they got. The british worker just got sick and tired of fatcats stuffing their pockets at the employees expense. Even though fatcats are more prevalent today as was then, there is now another "employer" in the ball game. This employer known as "Welfare" is benevolent and has been allowed to be taken advantage of on laws made by the policymakers. Change the system, change the laws and encourage employers to pay people for a fair days work.
do you know what Farage was spot on with his comment, but he should have said the Bercow's were a disgrace to the nation. John Bercow should be removed from office as he has shown a definite bias and has therefore undermined the neutrality of the post of Speaker
Runt
Like it or not he is right. That's why the factories, take aways and strawberry fields are full of them. Us Brits would rather sit at home on the dole than do a dead end job with very low pay- catman, Nottingham, 5/6/2013 4:07>>>>>>>>>>>>Us Brits! speak for yourself! Myself and my family have and do work hard, we fortunately have never had to claimed from the state, unlike some who through circumstance need to! My daughter travels over 4 hours a day to get to and from work, as I am sure many others do also. That statement is no better than that ignorant little mans!
Now we are expected to take cognisance of what this stupid little burke says. What does he know about work? Hasn't done a day's work in his life. No wonder the public think we are governed by gormless out of touch idiots when they spout rubbish like this!
I see Bercow is,was sorry, is a Merchant Banker.
Now there`s a man who needs to get a proper job.
Of course they work harder , that's why their own country is doing so well! Hey wait a min. John Berk - worst speaker ever - would sell his grandmother for a fiver
He knows this because they are at his home cleaning, washing, mowing, cooking and dusting.
How much has it cost the British tax payer for this latest jolly by Bercow ? He's a complete and utter disgrace. When his fellow MP's voted him to speaker it should have been clear to everyone that there was never any intention of cleaning up their act. Treacherous little man.
Typical of the wishy washy, London centric,Liberal softy, elite that are doing their best to destroy this nation and hand it over to the EU.
RACIST!! how dare he say that about british people.
If he had said the opposite; He would be charged with Racism and sacked! He is a ant-English hater and should be charged with a Race Hate Crime!!!
Didn't Peter Mandleson recently say about government, we actively went out to get foreign workers while making it HARDER FOR BRITISH TO GET EMPLOTMENT (Daily Mail 14/05/2013) Apart from that, what does an overpaid expences for anything and everything politician know about WORK ???
I'm not sure they actually work harder. They do seem to work more hours and days but I believe this is to earn more money relatively because of the low wages they receive. I know many migrant workers and nearly all are being paid less than the minimum hourly rate, so they work all hours they can
And exactly what would JB know about working hard - Order, Order Blah, Blah, Blah!!
The Lib/Lab/Con actively working against you for decades but still millions of you vote for them - incredible.
So, if that's true and you keep employing migrants because they "work harder", what are you going to do with the British working population? A recipe for disaster! A good and healthy society is not all about getting the cheapest labour to make the maximum of profit. What businesses are saving the state has to make up for.
I know generalisations are dangerous but From my own observations of service industry (hotels) Eastern Europeans in particular Polish workers in the 20-30 age group have a stronger work ethic, better attitude and are much less likely to complain about a hard days work than British kids in the same age group.
Racist - has somebody reported him to the police?
Coming from a man who has never done a hard days honest work in his life I find his remarks quite fatuous. He and his wife need to engage their brains prior to opening there big mouths.
Pompous little man. He should be removed from his post. He is not fit to hold it.
Mr Bercow has an awfully big mouth for such a small man.
He is an idiot of a man - as evidenced by his choice of wife - but he is probably correct because most foreign workers I meet have a better work ethic and far superior inter-personal skills than the home grown undeducated dross that we are turning out. Instead of looking for work most of them spend their time trying to AVOID it whilst claiming every single allowance they can con out of the useless departments responsible.
And what would he know about work?
What a complete prat this bloke is!
Coming from a pompous little parasite his comments only serve to confirm the thinking in that den of thieves.
This is incorrect and an insult to the hard working British , which I have been a part of since 1977!!!!!!! This coming from someone who gets paid for mouthing off in the House of Parliament !!!
NO THEY ARE NOT. They are given the jobs because they are cheaper. Boycott all companies and shops who employ them. Hit these companies where it hurts. Their POCKETS.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 ...................................................................................................................................................Its not soccer, its football you ignorant fool. If you're going to comment in a Brit paper at least be courteous enough to get the terminology right. Also these friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens ofE. European. Are these the same ones that your country treated with suspicion for the entire Cold War period and would have happily annihilated?
How would the poison dwarf know that,when has he ever been near any kind of workplace and if it's true,he should blame his own Beneftits and Scroungers party for that state of affairs,Labour just adore the bone stinking idle.Is Socialist Sal looking for work..................................thought not.
I suggest you speak to your wife, she knows the penalty for talking crap!!!
Why are people being given column space in the media like BERCow making comments like this and stopping our kids getting jobs here,is it to justify the disgusting immigration policies of this govt and its predecessors,when will they admit they got it badly wrong and it will take a long time to put things right,Mr BERCow wants to get his house in order!!!
FH,Sad Britain......................oh how wrong you are,little berk may be a member of the Tory party but he's a "posh boy" Socialist to the core.Oh but didn't you know that?..........Some Socialists are very posh indeed.
He says it like it is.
Miners, steelworkers, ship builders. Toughest jobs in the world. What happened to them Bercow? Before anyone criticises the Britsh, we did happen to be the work shop of the world. Give us our proper jobs back and we will work.
Yeah because 6.08 quid an hour is a fortune for them! No one can make a decent living in the UK on that min wage. Come to Aus 11 quid an hour min wage and same living costs plus penalty rate weekends.
If this man speaks for the Conservative Party ? then they want voting out of Power. This country is short of Houses, the NHS is on its back due to Migrants. I bet the social Benefits is also out of control. I walk down Town and it is like living in another Country, the 3 main Parties have really put us in a right mess.
FH,Sad Britain......................oh how wrong you are,little berk may be a member of the Tory party but he's a "posh boy" Socialist to the core.Oh but didn't you know that?..........Some Socialists are very posh indeed.
If these migrants insisted on the minimum wage they would not even get a job.
If that was true then why doesn't their country prosper more, they have to come to the UK to find work and take the jobs of the people from them.
Perhaps if our welfare system hadn't made it profitable to be work shy, our own younger generation would be more hard working! But those that do work, work hard and generally for very little recognition of their efforts! This stupid little man needs to go back to his big chair and be quiet. There are lots of things wrong with this country, a lot of it created and perpetuated by parliament ... So wind your neck in bercow!
All the Romanian professional beggars at Marble Arch are certainly hard working !
He's right! You Brits are just bone idle!!!
They are great at fraud and robbing houses and scams!
As usual a poltician doesn't understand the worries about immigration. It's all about NUMBERS ! Our tiny island is full up,bursting at the seams,and it's not fair nor reasonable to keep on trying to cram more people in. That's the real concern as people see that our schools,hospitals,housing,transport systems,infra-scructure and so on,all struggled to cope with what they have to do 20 odd years ago. In your house,how many extra people can you allow in before the overcrowding gets unbearable ? Nothing to do with how hard working they are-why do the left always ignore this simple fact regarding immigration.I don't enjoy living crammed like a sardine.
how would that little twit know they are tinkers and thieves that should never be here there way of life is diferent to us he is a privelaged idiot who we just feed so is his very quiet wife
Bercow's never done a honest days work in his life!! So how can this little nasty man make a comment like this ????
stop judging us by you standards you lazy man, get up and go and get a real job on real money we cant all go to work ,get a massive pay packet and fiddle our expenses and rip off every tax payer, squirt.
How long till we can get rid of him and his vile wife ?.
His wife is clearly not the only member of that family to spout nonsense.
They might work harder than he does, or his cronies.
Ironic that all the british workers problems were caused by politicians such as this imbecile. I can tell you after several years experience employing both British and foreign workers. There is very little in it. When the europeans first come they work hard, but in our benefit ridden something for nothing system they very very quickly learn to assimilate and learn how impossible it can be to dismiss them. If i have the choice I always take British. Unfortunately I can't specify at the jobcentre even that they should have an understanding of spoken English.(wheres the Health & safety when you need them)
If migrants are harder workers than the British then let us replace all the MPs with Eastern European migrants. Oh sorry that won't happen will it because you will be out of paid employment (note: I did not say work as MPs don't work).
Who on earth is operating this Muppet he must be getting tired.
How would the poison dwarf know that,when has he ever been near any kind of workplace and if it's true,he should blame his own Beneftits and Scroungers party for that state of affairs,Labour just adore the bone stinking idle.Is Socialist Sal looking for work..................................thought not.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 Tell you what, we will send them all over to you in the good ole USA, so that they can take your jobs for less than minimum wage, claim benefits as they are getting paid cash in hand and be a drain on your free health system, oh yeah you don't have one!
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap , Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 05/6/2013 05:34 You obviously need a few Eastern Europeans, and as your own economy is in a total mess you really have nothing to say. Oh, I know, start a war, that would kickstart it.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression. - Jacques Strap, Greenwich Village NYC, United States, 5/6/2013 5:34 Eh? I think you are confusing 'the British' with 'the post-1997 British benefits underclass created by NuLabour'. There is a big difference- they don't represent the majority population, and they certainly don't represent me or any of my family or any of my husband's family ( who all work and are all British on all sides going back at least 7 generations, according to my teetotal, retired after 40 years of primary school teaching, family History-obsessed, old mum). But you wouldn't know that, not living here.
What a load of rubbish, crawl back in your hole...
Civil war anybody???
He might be right about Poles who are generally very hard working. However they only form a small proportion of overall immigration. A substantial proportion of immigrants have neither the motivation, ability or incentive to work and w.
He is absolutely right, a lot of youngsters in this country don't like hard work, they all want to be pop stars.
So John Bercow thinks Eastern Europeans have a better work ethic does he. Then lets put it into practice, perhaps he should replace his wife with a Pole and perhaps we should replace the speaker with a Czech!
now, why isn't that racist against british people? - we have very little rights and protection, clearly
All he and his weird looking wife seem to do, is to claim politicians benefits.
Why you guys just admit it he is so damn right!!!!! Those jobs the romanians have are the jobs you brits dont want !! Is so difficult to comprehand or what???
I despise the ground that the bercow creature walks on. I really, really, hate everything about him
Well, my sister and I were born and raised in the UK. You won't get two more conscientious and hard-working people than us. This man is a prat.
The fact that a lot of them do not mind sleeping 20 to a room and sharing one meal might have some bearing on the economics of it !!!!
Migrants don't work harder than us, they just work for peanuts to keep the government with their cushty salaries/bonuses and pensions which is easier for them than paying a qualified, hard working brit..........there is a difference !!!!!
Racism, pure and simple. Nobody would dare say that about any other race and get away with it.
The hard working British taxpayer will be keeping lots of these Eastern Europeans in Benefits and housing. The government has already annoyed the people who voted for them last time and Bercow is doing it again. Bercow and his wife do more damage to the image of our Parliament on a weekly basis than anyone else so he shouldn't slag offf the workers that pay to keep him in luxury. UKIP are laughing at these idiots.
Bercow is Barking Mad. These Eastern Europeans are not needed or wanted, everywhere we go people are talking about what is happening in England,we are losing control, We have been invaded by a mass of foreign speaking people taking jobs that should be done by the unemployed,
deluded. living in a bubble
He is a complete gentleman's sausage!
what qualifies this odious showman to talk about work.
thats nice,move over let them have your job
Perhaps he would like to give up his seat to an immigrant then?
How do these twits get elected in the first place? I'm sure the long term unemployed don't vote for them!
you'd think that family would have learnt to keep their big traps shut by now
Those that do work, work hard to prove they should be here and that is fine. It's the ones that come here and don't work, expect to receive benefits, housing and the use of our NHS and/or bring their criminal ways here with them, that we all have issues with. Why do the government think that everything is rosy in garden England as far as immigration goes?
Catman, Nottingham, Who died and made you the mouthpiece for all Brits - you may speak for yourself, the rest of us have our own thoughts about lots of different issues. Not that our governments have spent much time listening to us - they don't bother because the real government is in the EU. Our government was cut off at the knees some time ago. As someone else has pointed out, if these people are the 'hard' workers they are cracked up to be, how come they had no impact on the economics of their home countries. This is why those countries want us to pay the highest rates of benefits, even to children who are not resident - we are their cash cow. Before anyone says that millions are being paid out in benefits to Brits across EUrope, I would say I sincerely doubt that. Successive governments used the benefits system to keep people quiet while they finished the dismantling of Britains industrial past - the unskilled working class don't have another country to run back to.
This comment from a man who has probably never done a true day's work in his life and like most MP's live of the publics back
To even begin rebuilding this country we must start by removing these odious people from OUR Parliament. Ever wonder why he was chosen as speaker by MP's? Now you know.
GET RID, of Berc and the eastern europeans!!
NO THEY HAVEN'T. They've taken our jobs, housing and placed an untenable strain on all our resources. Bercow is an idiot.
Silly little sausage.
The statement by Bercow has no basis or truth in it at all. There isn't enough space to write why he is wrong; Its another throwaway comment by another out of touch politician; His own job (speaker) Order; Order Order. Is it really a job lol ... and what's a briton ?. We are either English; Welsh or Scottish; British is the collective name to mask our national identity. Which would change if Scotland left the Union. And then maybe a parliament that looked after its English voters represented by and for the English. then so called Brits could stop rubbishing their own and stick to facts.
But what about housing, they are tearing up the countryside because our population is exploding, largely because of mass immigration.
Bercows liking for foreign workers has more to do with low wages and their being easy to sack.
This is very true and all the politicians know this fact. John Bercow has just hit the nail on the spot. I am not surprised at those criticising him on here because those who tell the truth are no longer popular in Britain. Watch Jeremy Kyle show and you will see what is befalling this country. Your red arrow won't change the fact.
were working hard to keep them out of the uk
Yep and a pig has just flew past my window! No doubt on a tax payers freebie. Once again a sweeping statement reflecting how out of though this man like most other MPs are. Stupid stupid little man.
shut up you fool, you mean there harder workers than mp's get in the real world you plonker
How utterly insulting- he clearly does not know this country at all. Either that or he is confusing being 'harder working' with being 'willing to live in illegal, overcrowded, Victorian slum-like squalor and work for a well sub-minimum wage pittance in (by what used to be British standards, pre- EU enlargement) dreadful conditions, because it's marginally better than what we've left behind'. Which makes him none too bright and not fit for his office. Both my husband and I work harder for longer hours and less money than we ever have because of the mess that is the EU- and unlike the 'immigrants' near us, we feel obliged to provide a decent home, clothing and nutrition for our children out of it. No chance of an annual summer holiday or the odd extra little treat like we used to have as kids though. So, how do we go about sacking Bercow? And the majority of the rest of the greedy, out of touch 'I'm alright Jack' wasters in Parliament- since it seems that's all there is left to do now.
Well the outside helpers have proved in the Middel East and the east Germans have proved to the West Germany that they are and can work better as these natives may take the work load as " We have these so why sorry " I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA An aptitude of contentment needs more push then the IT and need more pat on the back with cash . Pay that you have work done .
So..Job sorted. Replace 'ALL' our overpaid underworked politicians with migrants who'll work for minimum wage.
When did he last work with anyone let alone Migrant s And lets face it that's what they come for work
Reuben Camara Morecambe.... you and how many others I wonder, they are an absolute PITA, and certainly don't benefit the likes of us!
some of their are thieves and murders so would sit in nicely in this country .............yes I suppose their do work harder than us .............
Take no notice ,it's just small talk
And he knows this from his part-time job in Greggs?
I think they are all traitors to their own Countries, why don`t they work and build up their own Countries..I bet they sit on their asses when they were home..They just want to come here for our already built up services, that our own people worked hard for over the years..Why don`t they go and build their own.
Now if one high profile member of a party says it, you could say he doesn't represent the views of his party. Lets face it in all political parties you have individuals like that. However, the conservative party has form for the kind of views about British people Bercow is speaking about. Several conservative members of parliament ,have said similar including Boris Johnson ,you have the chancellor labeling our unemployed as 'shirkers'.There are millions unemployed in this country,as they all 'shirkers'? We all know why british employers prefer foreign workers and it has nothing to do with hard work but because they can pay them less for more hours. That is it. Can I just say ,if anyone votes conservative after we have been repeatedly insulted by members of that party, they deserve all they get. That also includes the Labour party who are responsible also for the mess this country is in. The only way to teach them all a lesson is to vote for UKIP in huge numbers .
How does one know this? If you don't employ someone you'll never know how hard-working they may be. Most immigrant workers will do the jobs the rest don't (in his opinion), because although they are low wages for those of us born and bred here, they are high for those from poorer countries. .
Well lazy MP's jobs aren't threaten by Eastern-Europeans so they say what they like and keep lying. They ok with selling our utilities and companies to foreigners, our jobs going to foreigners since their jobs are not threaten and feel comfortable and secured. As for Eastern-Europeans working harder? pleaseeee they only work cheaper than Brits.
ooofftttt has this guy got a masochistic streak?
They are just taking jobs that the British are to lazy or unqualified to have.
No, Migrants suck up the low pay and send it all back to their relatives at home for them to live like kings, while Britains are stepped on by their government!
Certainly harder workers than our Members of Parliament!
That's not true there are lazy ones as well tell stupid Bercow to get out in the real world and have a look
British people are lazier. I own a business and trying to get a Brit out of bed at 3am is extremely hard. All of my workers are foreign, they come on time, work harder and will never complain. It's true I'm afraid.
Well they should do your job then
"Migrants are harder workers than Britons"? Bet he wouldn't dare say, "Britons are harder workers than migrants" even if he believed that were the case. He'd be prosecuted by the anti-racism lobby.
The sooner the British people march on London and kick these M.P's out of office the sooner we can put this country right.
Migrants move to Britain because their countries are poor despite they're hard working, and lazy British made a strong economy and a great nation... seems legit.
What chance for us Brits when the political mouth pieces keep kicking us into the gutter,one thing for sure bet the rims haven't got big trap wife's. like the one he's hooked up with
During my working week I visit several different types of company. This view of the foreign workers is one that I hear repeatedly from the different employers.
I'm with Farage on this Bercow is a Disgrace....what specialist knowledge does he have anyway.
Bercow,you are a berk....- end of.
If his statement is true, then it only goes to show that "Britiain" isn't the British people any more. For the likes of the vast majority of us born and bred here, we see lower wages, harder-to-get jobs, declining terms and conditions, less perks, and poorer public services which we've funded over many years via our NI contributions. No prizes for who gets every available handout having paid naff all into the system, and from pretty soon after arrival at that. There's no need to be an "illegal" - the system favours the front door entry over everything else - from the immigrant point of view.
Perhaps he should come and meet the gangs of Polish men who sit drinking in my local park all day!
He is correct. Romanians can have the lead off a church roof in hours when it would take a Brit days to complete the job.
They might harder workers, but some of them are thieves as well.
Brits are lazy no wonder nothing is produced in this country just take a look at BRICS nations and our German friends. How many of you drive a German car
Bercow the Birdbrain - what a complete idiot. He has no understanding of the damage caused to the country's infrastructure by the mass immigration policies
How many of these hard worker have discovered the benefit system like the self employed east european Roma Gypsies selling the big issue and claiming tax credits, child benefit, housing benefit, paying no tax at all but being a net drain on our benefit system
I have been saying for many years that majority of MP's are the enemy of the British people. they would rather have immigrants in the Country rather than the indigenous population. Let's ensure that in 2015 they are the enemy of the British people and vote them out.
What have the British people done to have their Government hating them so much. Even if the Eastern Europeans do work harder, they don't integrate with the British society, they clog up the hospitals, doctors surgeries, and the general feeling of being overcrowded in the UK , then send there money home, so just who benefits, yes just them not the British. Britain just ends up with alien societies living their lives separately.
Pip squeak? no right to make any comment?
I wonder if he would say that if his job was going to someone from Eastern Europe
I bet he hasn't got any living next door to him. There's eight living in one two bedroom house on our street. It's a nightmare. For this little jumpt up man to come out that statement. I can see now him and his wife are a good match. UKIP take the up the reins
I can guarantee that when the flood gates open at the end of the year you will see full scale riots across the UK.
Romanian beggars are turning up everywhere how is this good for our economy letting all them in ? Look what opening our doors has done our Nhs is on its knees it can't handle all these extra people. Edinburgh royal hospital opened a new maternity unit..... 1st 6 babies born were polish.
Lets put it this way, you get offered a job that pays at least four times what you'll ever earn at home and people wonder why they work like mad to keep that position?? And as in many cases they are working for less than what is the usual salary for that job, politicians can't see why employers are keen to employ???
UKIP!
How many times do little men with who appear to have an inferiority complex open their mouths showing that not much comes out of their mouths or trousers ? get a proper job Johnny and learn about the real world that most of us live in.
Rude, ignorant, lazy, hen pecked fool.
Your comments:all very well but we are overcrowded. Why not relocate our long term unemployed to Romania etc where their benefits would give them a better standard of life.
Minimum wage to these people is a fortune back home. I'd work my fingers to the bone too,if I got paid 2 or 3 times what I could earn at home.
Right, so he said that the views of the press dont reflect the views of parliament or government. So presumably the views of ordinary people are of no consequence at all. That pretty much sums up the disgraceful situation we find ourselves in. There is no longer any democracy.
Yet another one in his westminster bubble who hasn't got a clue what effect immigration has on towns and city's across Britain. These people are supposed to be intelligent.
And because every person running this country would have enough money to be comfortable to retire tomorrow THEY JUST DON'T CARE.
Just what has he and wife contributed to the country ???
They may come with this ethos but soon learn like many of our own that claiming benefits is a very good idea and then things start to change. Also I hope this constituents who work bl.... hard give him a really big kick in the butt next time they vote and put a UKIP MP in - they care about us who live here, work here and try and manage on little.
How do you own property and business within 3 years of arrival ? It's more to do with tax avoidance and sub letting social housing a well worn path.
Look out Bercow there's a Romanian bloke coming over, says he can do your job for a tenth of the money! He's also bringing 650 mates with him to take over the House of Commons. Next year it's 10,000 judges coming.
Bit of a generalisation. Is it racist?
its racism. If the leaders of a country treat all its long term residents like this, a new unbiased leadership should be chosen.
well lets all vote for a new speaker eh (sack him) also he dosent work with the immigrants i work with come and visit my work place.
if they are so hard working, why are their own countries a dump , why are they not building up their own economies. its a joke, they come here for benefits and our jobs.. they live 10 to a room and send all their money home, they drain us dry....
There's more work in a glass eye than John Bercow- and the glass eye sees more too. He is supposed to be apolitical- but there you go- no surprises here.
If they are such hard workers, wouldn't it be more patriotic of them to perform their hard work back in their own countries ?
You notice the type of person who makes this kind of comment has never done a proper days work in their life.
just because they can clean his car for five quid, pay no tax and sleep 10 to a house does not male them better works.
Another talking head. He knows nothing of the real Britain.
Quisling dog .
Within the M25 I am not surprised the rest of the residents leave a lot to be desired.
Oh yes dimwit like the ones squatting in the West End drinking urinating and leaving filthy rubbish everywhere!You and your loud mouth dopey attention seeking wife should emigrate to Romania!
That's a racist remark and as a Briton, I object.
The speaker is supposed to be neutral but of course we all know that he only got the job because the labour politicians wanted their man in the job so he is only saying what Labour think.
Just another example of just out of touch our politicians are
Says the man sat in a chair!! Like most of our never worked politicians, he hasn't a clue what's going on, though it doesn't help that many of our political leaders are in the back pockets of big business. Immigrants are popular with our short sighted business leaders because they use them to force salaries down, (which then pushes people onto benefits, so how does that benefit 'sic' this country?). British staff are deliberately forced out of work and onto benefits, to be replaced by migrant workers who send most of their spare money home, so this country loses out all ways.
Why do the British Government hate their own people, I can't work it out. This would never be said in any other country in the world.
So says Parliament's biggest sponger.
His attitude is typical of the major 3 parties, they despise the British Worker and want to eradicate them. Vote UKIP.
No, they are willing to work for less, they don't work any harder.
We obviously need a few migrants in parliament then.
If the British electorate vote with their hearts instead of like sheep in 2015 and UKIP get their well deserved chance to put their tenets into fruition, hopefully one of the first things Nigel Farage does, after ridding us of the EU, the ECHR and closing our doors to the influx of unwanted immigrants from wherever, will be to kick this odious squirt into touch alongside his loud mouthed attention seeking wife. VOTE UKIP!
What does this man know about working hard. He closes Parliament 103 days a year.
This from a man who robs the tax payer left right and centre, all the immigrants have done is drive wages down. so dislike this horrible little man and his wife.
Well maybe we should select a migrant as speaker then.
So the poison dwarf rises from his Kiddie Seat to pontificate, sit down you little twerp, and keep quiet you biased little man.
They are not still peddling that old lie are they? I work in a large organisation where the work force is 80% Eastern European and I know that they are no better workers than British workers. We are the only country that promotes other countries workers above our own. It is about time M P's went out into society and found out what it is really like.
They might work harder when they first come here then once they are in the system they start to take advantage and work less. Nobody mentions the top ups the Goverment gives them on their wages that we all pay for, so it is a farce. This man should be held for treason vote UKIP.
If they are all better workers ............... resign and let them be in government perhaps we will get some work done then?????
John Who?
There is no excuse for such stupid remarks. Just go now, your position is no longer tenable.
If they are so hard working, why are the countries they come from such dumps bordering on third world standards and status, and just how was this country made into a 1st world country Mr. Bercow? You are insulting countless generations of British workers, perhaps Mr.Bercow you should take a real job and give us a demonstration and an example of real and sustained hard work.
How can someone so lazy and unintelligent, devoid of charm and charisma, with no visible political or social skills rise to Bercow's position to enjoy the 6 months vacations, the taxpayer funded salary, pension and perks. He is a disgrace to the government and an embarrassment to Britain. A 'man' with no shame!
And don't pay tax,NI car insurance , road tax so they know all they get is for them. Most are 'self employed ' and that is s fact
Why doesn't this sad little man just go away
we have these idiots who are politicians in britain talking about working, what does he know about graft he is nothing but a usless thieving mp. another anti britisness mp speaking lies.
So what is Mr Bercow's solution then? To allow endless EU migrants in, have all us lazy British claiming benefits as our work ethic is not as good. That sounds like a great solution Mr. Bercow OR you could just help demoralised, disillusioned young people and other British people get back to work and take pride in what they do. Voting UKIP :) Bring on 2015
WASP I love it I agree with your sentiments - Bash the Brits the sport of knaves, fools and traitors. Where else in the world can you come and live high off the hog on the British taxpayers and insult them at the same time? Come one, come all all free, courtesy of the LAZY Brit taxpayer. You couldn't make it up John Burcow the "Madhatter" from the "Alice In Wonderland" the nightmare that is these days Parliament.
Factually he's correct. Immigrants benefit the economy, are less likely to be unemployed, less likely to be on benefits (even though the DM tries to portray a different picture with its propaganda)
That comment is a bit rich coming from one of the laziest taxpayer funded servants in the country!!!!......maybe if we replaced him and his lot in parliament with some of his hard working migrants the country would not be in the mess it presently is!!!....and they would work for half the pay if not less!!!!!!
That is all very well Mr Speaker . How do we find room for them . How do we cope with the bigger number that will be needed of med care houses schools . I do not need to go through the list . You idiot of a man . Britain is the country the whole is trying to get into . BUT we do not have the flippen room . That's unless we start cutting down this green and lovely land .
Who does this guy think he is? My wife and I along with many other English people work hard. Why should we be forced to listen to the insulting remarks of this greedy disgusting little trough master? Sack him at once. This is another good reason for all you people out there to be voting UKIP.
Don't worry John, keep slogging away, only 5 weeks until the House of Commons two month summer recess.
All migrants not just the Eastern Europeans
Politicians are thick yes.My businesses in UK employ 337 people .263 are eastern Europe all speak English in the last 12 months they have had 27 sick days between them My English workers have had over 200 sick days,who would you employ
Pay a proper wage then. Out of touch idiot.
He is absolutely right Brits are lazy totally agree with him
I doubt whether any of the MP's know what a hard days work is. Let's face it, it is just a bit of spin, trying to garner the votes of immigrants because the Tories have blown it and are not going to get many from the born and bred.
I realise that immigrants from Eastern Europe have a stronger work ethic than the average British worker. How is that a benefit to this country? We used to have a strong work ethic but the Unions became too strong and forced those that wanted to work hard to slow down to the pace of the slowest, collective pay negotiations removed the need to show that a pay rise was deserved.It became a right that drove the manufacturers from this country, as did the inability to remove useless workers from the workforce. Just how long do you think it will take for the same to happen again, when the Polish branch of Unison go on strike and the food industry grinds to a halt, what then?? They can go back to their own country but we are left with the mess. I'll be gone by the time it happens but it will, watch the union space.
According to my Polish wife, British Politicians seem to despise British working people. I think she have have a point
Time to rid the British people of treacherous Parliament. Any other country would have reduced the place to cinders by now. Politicians have ruined my country, my people and our land.
Fire the man for spouting utter rubbish. when last did you work on a shop floor or a factory line - get out there and do it then see who woreks hard or not you unimportant little prig!
Humm bet you hands are softer than mine Bercow........ Regards A BRIT....
With his JOB I cannot see how John Bercow knows what work is never mind hard work, ubless fiddling expenses come into that catagory.
If are britons are so called lazy. Then are polotitions are the laziest people we have seen. Why don't you go for another holliday to france dqvid cameron. While hard working britons are movin lg to austrillia or canada for work
Sack him
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government". However he should remember that we elect them to represent "OUR" views - so he like "Call me Dave" Camoron should go. The majority of the British electorate think that the immigration from EU and elsewhere sanctioned by Bliar and his acolytes and continued by "Call me Dave" has caused an almost irreparable breakdown in the fabric of British society.
Out of touch, like his wife.
if they work harder why is there own country not top of the richest in europe,or do you mean they will work for less.
Having worked and managed Eastern European and British alongside each other I can fully agree with the man. British are lazy and want something for nothing.
When will our politicians learn! Not everything is about cheap labour!
Order! Order! All you critics!
Shut your mouth Bercow, you traitorous little man. You yourself haven't even done a day's work in your life.
As someone who has never done a real day's work in his life I'm sure this idiot is well qualified to make this sort of statement. Bercow is a digrace to the office of speaker but unfortunately he's pretty much what we've been getting since Betty Boothroyd left that office .
When was the last time he broke sweat then.
Wasn't Bercow in the Labour government the same people that made our young live on benefits, him and his woman make a good win double.
Well...what can you say? Nevertheless the good people of John's constituency will continue to vote for him. He's their sort of chap you see. Meanwhile let's hope UKIP put in a better show next time. Anybody but this upstart.
Pity the Foreigners cannot have a chance at this little jumped up idiots job.
What he means is that foreign workers will work for low pay... And really, is it a good idea to throw our own people on to the dole? Who pays for that? Why the poor British taxpayer - remembet most of these foreign workers won't be paying tax. Wake up England - Lets rid ourselves of these traitor politicians and EU quislings!
You only have to see them camped out in the middle of the road at Marble Arch to understand that Bercow is right!
I work 90 hrs a week only to have the lion's share of my money taken in tax/VAT. I suppose thats not working hard enough for you, is it Mr Bercow you swivel eyed loon!!?
Simply not true.
i suppose its one way of trying to negate a failed immigration policy
He is correct . So many Brits will take a " sickie" at the drop of a hat and try to do as little as possible at work
Well they certainly work harder than any MPs. But then so does everyone else.
how it should have read MIGRANTS ARE HARDER WORKERS THAN BRITONS MPS.
Fair enough if you comment on how hard working some of the immigrants are, then you also need to comment on how some of them are lazy and only here for the benefits this stupid country offers
John it depends what you mean by work. If you call sitting on a big fancy chair all day shouting meaningless rubbish at a bunch of cretins work, then you're probably right and should give your job to a Pole or a Pakistani.
Let us hear it.... Let's hear it!
From a man who has never actually worked a day in his life.
what job as this lazy bastard made a success of ,leave out spending taxpayers money tory plonker.
Everyone works harder than you John , maybe you should let them do your job for less money , then you can live off benefits , sounds fair to me hey John
Politician, hard work. Three words that should never mistakingly be put together, robbers and conmen now that's a different story.
Just another traitor in government....
And of course he has evidence of this. He wouldn't just be writing off a whole nation based on an opinion, would he?
There seems a trend to British Politicians - bring in policies that destroy British Industry - then tell the British that they are lazy because they won't work for less than 5 pounds an hour in a coffee shop .
Said the man that sits in a chair all day.
The Speaker' Speaks too much - Time to replace him AND his out spoken excuse for a wife !
Its a stupid remark valid or not for a M.P. to make it serves no purpose and just causes a bigger rift between migrates and U.K. workers.
I reckon there's a little bit of truth in this. How many of you readers would do menial labour without complaining? Or be happy that your kids are? Someone got to do it!
Don't we just love our honest, underpaid, hard working, patriotic and loyal politicians and their pearls of wisdom..............not!!!
This man lives in a ivory tower,,,,,,what does he know about the real world?????
The Bercows sounds like a Tv joke production, I hate politicians of his ilk, speaking against his own countrymen, creepy git, I wouldnt trust him with my dog
Delusional FOOL!
He's a parliamentarian. What would he know about work and commitment?
Bercow and his wife are a disgrace to the UK. Time for them both to go and retire on their big fat cat pensions.
What does the Speaker know, the Brits are only second to Italians when it comes to hard work!
It is true that Eastern Europeans have contributed a lot towards reducing the bills of "entitled" people.
Keeping on talking the British worker down and no- one will employ our youngsters.. who in my opinion as a manager are equal if not better than any foreign workers when given the crack at a real job ..
If that is the case then why don't we give the jobs of some of the MPs including Bercow to hard working immigrants?
And what would a "posh boy" tory like him know about hard work............................................ They only know how to cream off the backs of others....................................................
There's no difference, I work in transport, amongst poles Latvians etc, the only difference is they will always say yes, will you speed, yes! Work illegal hours, yes! Break tachograph & daily rest rules, yes! Have a second job when your supposed to be having your weekly rest, yes! If caught go home for 6 months to avoid the magistrates court, yes!
There is no real comparison with British workers and East European workers. British workers have an established background and work ethic, and a welfare safety net. The east europeans come mostly from communists states and suffered hardshiop. The chance to work means they want to make money and will work longer and harder. Its unfair to compare like for like. Also many have set up agencies that only employ their own. We are being undercut, and unfairly disadvantaged in so many ways having them here.An example is Fyffe factory in Coventry a british city. Polish workers were drafted in and became the majority and training was only in Polish. English workers were not allowed to be considered as they did not understand polish. So Bercow shut up and get the real facts. Im sure your wifes recents exploits mean you low on funds and probably using non british workers. However the British people have had enough of immigration, and finally somethings will be done about it at the next election
Amazing - coming from twit like him he thinks he has a real job.
Inconsequential twit, on a tax payer funded jolly. We may as well close parliament, they only rubber stamp laws passed in the EU.
BRING ON UKIP ,, get rid of fools like berkoff
Bercow you Idiot! Come and live and work the area I do, you wouldn't be saying this then.
Oh, on another jolly eh? What can he say to the Romanian Parliament that would convince me that it was worth all the expense of travelling there? Nothing 😞
So we adopt the failed Labour idea, instead of insisting that British workers work and work for fair wages or lose benefits, we import immigrants whose background is hardly or never checked, with all its consequences. Great policy!
What does he know about what is going on in the world of the UK working population?
Bercow commenting on the work ethic of the rest of us?? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Isn't that racist?
He' as useless as his wife then! Idiotic little man.
And I thought the wife was useless..............
Was that his wife talking ?
Its naive people like John Bercow that have helped destroy our country !
Well John, as you have never done a days proper work in your life, perhaps you should go and live there as you think they are so industrious. Some of it might rub off on you.
Just look what is happening to the NHS, Schools, housing, jobs, too many people coming in ,nobody wants to work as too much benefits are being paid.. Successive governments have killed industry like cars, steel aircraft and shipbuilding, where there was work apprenticeships and tradition. Britain is just sinking through years of incompetent government.
If he finds his fellow countymen so distasteful that he has to publicle denegrate them, the i wish he'd emigrate to his beloved Eastern Europe. I'm sue they'd welcome him with open arms I'm sure, until they got to know him that is. How dare he.
Why is it only positive things are allowed to be said about migrants.
For how much longer will they be content with working for minimum wage, though? Soon they'll get fed up and want a living wage.
How pathetic no race is better than another but the government likes to say this to justify there open door policy's and to keep there big business donors happy with a supply of cheap labour
The Tories have lost their way. I actually find it very sad - they are like an old loved one with dementia - they look like the old loved one, but they say frustrating things that don't make sense.
About as much common sense as his big mouth wife. You need to learn where your loyalty lies.
We always worked out butts off doing 50 hour weeks at maximum speed. I guess its just the managers and politicians who are lazy and blaming it all on the British public. Or perhaps its not in fact that what is bothering them. Perhaps they mean, "foreigners do hard work for almost no pay".
Oh Nigel, that's a flattering photo!
like he will know looking down from his Ivory Tower, stick to wearing your clown gown and presiding over a Circus
When they take the job of a Brit of course they are working harder, because the Brit is now unemployed.
The sick fruitcake needs to be sectioned.
I agree. The British think it's their birth right to sit on their butts in some dinghy pub drinking booze all day, while watching soccer. They are a drain on society, while E. Europeans are friendly, hard-working, law-abiding citizens. I hope you import millions more this year to lift your economy out of its great depression.
Last month it was Boris Johnson saying it, and now it's John Bercow - what is it with Tory MP's and their contempt for the British workforce? There's also a huge irony around any of our underworked and overpaid MP's lecturing us on who works hard and who doesn't.........
Of course they are. They have no idea that the House of Commons is going to rip them off every step of the way. This is why second generation immigrants are keen to get into politics. Look at the Miliband boys!
..... and it's very sad!
Your right john birdbrain I would say you have much more in common with the Romanians who like yourself work very hard at conning and robbing people and not even your own people like you and, you could fit under a snakes belly with a top hat on. You horrible little squirt.
A sweeping generalisation from a bitter man.
if these immigrants are so hard working why are they coming from the poorer and bankrupt countries
Mr B & his mob are doing a fine job of ensuring they are unelectable.
SOME of the migrants that have come are hard working but there are significantly more than do not work at all. Stop the benefits and see how many don't bother coming.
Liebours and the EUSSRs open borders policy has been so beneficial to our younger population. They have never had so much leisure time. This is because there are no jobs to help them develop a work ethic
"He suggested media coverage of immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government." No ! but the media refect the views of the majority of British people, what the hell he would know about work ethic would be an absolute revelation !!!
he is confusing harder workers for cheaper workers. if he is so enamoured by them, let him go represent their country, cos we dont need traitorous leaches like him here.
It's true- loudSpeakers can be a nuisance if not properly controlled...... Westminster Coucil should send round a chap with a decibel meter.
Speaks the man who has never done a hard days work in his life.
Stereotyping a race of people in any way is racist. To infer one race is superior to another in a particular trait puts us on a very sticky path. What you might say is that a person from a country with a low standard of living can move to a country with a better standard of living and if they then live in accommodation like we had in Victorian times (10 to a house) and they save up for a few years an amount of money that wouldn't even be enough for a deposit for a flat. They can then go back to their old country and buy their own home outright.
The truth hurts...he's right!
" in many cases they came with aptitudes and a commitment". The same ones that turned their own Countries into dumps?
.....and they will work for almost nothing, undercutting British workers, are easier to fire and, thereby, enrich further his wealthy mates ?
Might be harder working than an MP but that is a sweeping statement that I find very offensive but what would you expect from a labour MP
He would say that - his grandfather was from Romania ! What I would like to know is - what job - what actual work has Right Honourable John Bercow ever done ? Has he ever had a job -I mean a proper job, not all that councillor rubbish - since he left school in Finchley ? The fact that ones parents were hard-working doesn't mean that the offspring are necessarily hard-working . In my estimation he is like the rest of the politicians - interested only in what he can grab for himself, both in money and power .Statesmen who thought of their country and their people died out years ago.
If you don't know English, you work like a donkey, get paid peanuts. That's what migrants do and employers like it for getting it all done so cheaply.
This is coming from somebody who sits on his brains all day. Money for nothing screaming and shouting all day like kids in a playground and fiddling expenses makes my blood boil, and here I am 4.30am ready for work for just above the minimum pay grrrrrrrrrrrrr
A lot of the British don't get a chance to work, as the migrants will take a lower wage than the average Brtish worker, knowing that they will get all the top ups they need to send back home to their families, give the British worker a decent wage that pays more than the benefits they receive and they would soon prove that they can do a days work, no encouragement when they can getmore by sitting at home doing nothing.
How would you know, Mr Bercow? What do you base your comment on?
What he meant to say was, migrants do the same job for cheaper wages, in his mind, that makes them harder workers.
He makes as much sense as his wife, Silly Sally, he brings Parliament into disrepute!
They're trying to wind us up to distract us. What are they hiding?
Bercow is an idiot and fits in well to the government profile. Get rid of Bercow and would you know the difference. I do not think so.
Can we replace all our politicians then with these mythical harder working immigrants?
Yeah thanks for the slap in the face John. I worked 65 hours last week and when I receive my pay slip on Thursday you can bet that the parasites at HMRC have taken a healthy chunk out to pay towards foreign aid and migrant benefits and not to mention your over inflated wage and don't get me started on the ammount of national insurance I will pay though it takes over a week to see a doctor at my surgery and I have to pay a prescription charge for every single item on my prescription, the last one cost over £21. Yeah I'm really lazy John.
Perhaps some one should remind Bercow that Parliment and the Government are supposed to reflect the will of the people who generally want an end to this country's open door immigration policy. Just who the hell do people like Bercow think they are.
Yes maybe thay do have a better work ethic, but they also work for less money? As for the Media not reflecting the views of Government? Maybe because they reflect the views of the public, unlike the Parliament or the Government?
What a racist comment, I am highly offended by this little pipsqueak. He is racist and he's stereotyped the entire nation, surely this is inciting racial hatred and he should face prosecution. Pity he hasn't learned from his wife's example, don't go shouting your mouth off. Migrants do not work harder than me. I would like to see you come to a steelworks and work with molten metal at 1700 degrees c for 12 hours. You little racist poser.
All first-generation migrants work harder than the local indigenous population because they have to prove themselves a success. All the economic data supports this observation. Kennedy, London, United Kingdom, 4/6/2013 21:12 ------------- In Canada, 1st generation immigrants have to work harder. Because they have to learn the language if they don't know it, to pass the immigration tests and language standards. They have to find work, study, etc. They have to educate themselves in history and in knowledge that even most native-born Canadians don't know the answer to, to pass the citizenship test. BUT... here's the difference... they are actually "immigrants" and they HAVE to prove themselves. They are not like your EU citizens, who can waltz in and out of countries at will without any restrictions or standards. EU citizens don't HAVE to "prove themselves"-that's likely the problem. And "economic data"... is this because a lot of companies PREFERENTIALLY hire migrants over locals?
UK politicians are incompetent, lazy & stupid.
Words fail me with this idiot!
And whose fault is it. Not the government i suppose for giving so many handouts to people who do nothing and get something for nothing culture. You made it like this and soon immigrants will be the same.
Odious Turd!
What a sweeping statement. Really makes him look ignorant.
Harder workers, are they? Well the ones I see on street corners mooching around begging or selling the Big Issue sure aren't.
If Bercrow resigned we could afford to pay a few hundred more immigrants from our benefits system. Probably worth it if he goes away and takes his wife with him
He's right though.. and they're cheaper.
Like it or not he is right. That's why the factories, take aways and strawberry fields are full of them. Us Brits would rather sit at home on the dole than do a dead end job with very low pay
Well he's hardly going to criticize the shambolic immigration policy that his master, Blair, introduced, is he?
If this is the loyalty us Brits get from the speaker of the house is it any wonder we detest politicians?
Putting millions of British workers on the dole because they won't work for low wages - yes really good for Britain.
A politician commenting on anyone's work ethic borders on criminal.
Every time bercow opens his stupid mouth, UKIP pick up thousands of votes.
Mouthpiece!!!!!!!!!
This guy is a complete waste of space, albeit not much space.
Maybe he is looking to his wife for the basis of this comment, what exactly DOES she do again?
Very true.. The British are lazy workers and their work ethic is rubbish. They live in a celebrity and media driven society were their children only aspire to be famous rather than work hard for a living.. #britainisnotsoperfect
John Bercow: What planet do you live on? Not the same one as the ordinary British citizens.
Some facts I would love to confront Mr. Farage with 1. Farage is not a british name ...where does your family originate? 2. Married to a german woman 3. Track record as a member of the EU Parliament is abysmal - noted for signing on claiming daily allowance and never showing up - costing the taxpayer thousands per year Mr. Farage is not only a xenophobe but also a hypocrite And in true Farage manner ..I am going to sit back end enjoy the fall out!
John Berk-ow does not realise that Briton is the people. Many hard working Brits now benefit Australia, America and Canada. You the Politicians have created a welfare state which benefits the unemployable, the lazy or immigrants which can benefit from low paid employement because they GET cheap social housing.
Bercow has nothing to offer Britain except his expense account and his wife's twitter feed. Sign of the times that the man is in office.
Let the truth be told. John Bercow is right. His only mistake is to say the truth in a country that hates the truth and loves the unreal. Migrants work harder than the British. Red arrows please.
In Tower Hamlets according to a 2012 APPG Inquiry, commissioned by the borough into Ethnic Minority, Unemployment in the borough it found 62.% of Bangladeshes women to.be economically inactive, 75.3% of Bangladeshis are living in a household receiving benefits. 67% of Somalis in Tower Hamlets to be not literature in their own language, let alone English. I am not aware of some huge unfulfilled gap in the Labour market which requires an influx of unskilled labour migrants to fill. Does.anyone.else ? this needs to stop Positive immigration of skilled, qualified, educated, entrepreneurial or independently wealthy individuals no matter where they are from is a privilege for the UK and should be encouraged.
The tired, worn out cliché of the "hard working immigrant". The same nauseating cliché is heard in Canada and US. The illegals are "very hardworking", new Canadians are "very hardworking". Then answer this...if they're so hardworking, how come they can't fix up their own countries? Instead of pouring into ours? The reality is that they don't know about employment standards and employment laws and will work overtime without proper pay. They also work for cash and don't pay taxes. And there's one thing that employers love and it's employees that don't have minds of their own and just follow orders. These politicians don't have to compete with immigrants for work or housing.
"great advantages for Britain" - Yes, I am pretty sure they haven't had the catch22 situation of sending their child to the local school. You have two choices in my area. Either your child doesn't get a placement because there are too many immigrants in the area or they DO get a placement but are held back because most of the kids don't speak English. There are some nice friendly "hard working" migrants in my area.... however there are also a huge amount of freeloading, scamming nasty pieces of work as well. A well paid politician doesn't see these people though.
Another traitor to the British people..Are you forgetting some thing Bercow, it is our Country, how dare you insult us..Obviously you are looking for a job on the panel of the EU mafia..
Problem I have with Bercow is deciding who is the worse egotistical idiot him or his wife.
A lot of them live in shared rooms,have no intention of settling permanently here,they just send the money home. So they can live on minimum wage,indigenous (is that word wacist now?) British have mortages and families to support,so can't survive on minimum pay.
This same boring line trotted out again...
The Speaker is surely bound by rules which do not allow him to make public statements like that surely? It is an offensive remark aimed at the very people he is supposed to work for. He should be sacked.
It's not because they work harder, its because they're cheap!
Hi! Bercow , on your next trip next trip to planet Ork please say "Nanu, Nanu" to Mork and Mindy from me!
Not a fair statement especially from a speaker of the BRITISH House of Commons: many Brits (including myself) are now elsewhere and we're working very very hard! Yes East Europeans can be hardworking, but so can Brits!
And the benefits are, high unemployment, prisons over loaded, NHS and schools at breaking point, high costs in translators,no tax or insurance paid due to low wages, housing, child tax and benefit costs, the only winners are the rich businesses who exploit these people
I think you mean its been a great benefit to the employers who have been able to pay minimum wage and below. 5 adults or more sharing a house rent and bills will always be able to work for less than the average Brit with is mortgage and 2 kids. Exactly how as it benefitted the country when the majority of their earnings are being sent back to their own countries along with the governments contribution of child benefits for children not even in this country and that might not even exist, and the money that is spent in this country is spent in Eastern mini marts that still ends up also going back to the home country. Then we have free schooling free health care system that is now under incredible strain with the uncontrolled influx of people, also not forgetting the bad apples that come along with the intentions of crime as they know Britain is a soft touch, and if they are unlucky to be caught will be sent to a holiday camp with free board and lodging TV and game consoles. UKIP for me
typical. a country who will not look after its OWN people. no wonder its a joke
I've never seen anyone work harder than the estate boys dealing in all sorts of substances. They're up until sunrise doing it. Now, if that's not hard work, I don't know what is!
Vote UKIP. Get rid of the lib,lab,con vermin.
Idiot!!!
Bercow has a nerve, he wouldn't know the meaning of hard work.
Spell it as you like -I prefer BERKO!!
(1) Is it or is it not true that 50% of the people arrested for squatting in London (or the UK) over the past year are Romanian? (2) I have personally seen their encampment at Marble Arch ... it was there on Monday, as I passed by to Paddington Station to catch the Heathrow Express.
What he means is that it has enabled all chums to make even more money at the expense of native Britons. Another waste of space.
In my life I have never seen so many idiots and traitors in Parliament - who votes for these people ?
Make one the Speaker then, and make Bercow redundant.
Yes, and some British MP's cannot decide whether they are Conservative or Labour MP's - can they John?
Could agree since Speaker Bercow doesn't do much and is most likely working out the next con trick for the taxpayer.
Fools like him hate British people what a shame we are paying his huge salary, he is living free plus we are paying for his nanny.
yeah yeah yeah...just like you...?
Just what benefit is John Bercow to Britain?? in fact what benefit are any of em...
How low will they go.
Okay Mr.Bercow if they work so much harder that Britons let¿s see them replace all the lazy, scrounging idiots in parliament and we¿ll start with your job shall we? No? Thought not. Now crawl back under your rock you odious little man.
BERCOW YOU'R A PRAT! YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO YOUR OFFICE. SPEAKERS SHOULD KNOW WHEN NOT TO SPEAK, SO WHY HAVEN'T YOU? SPEAKING IS QUITE OBVIOUSLY AN AFFLICTION, THE BERCOW'S HAVE NOT YET MANAGE TO MASTER. "EMPTY VESSELS MAKE MUCH NOISE" EVERYONE DOES MORE WORK THAN YOU! REGARDS ............. WASP
MP's wanted: Must speak Polish!!! Apply to the Houses of Parliament recruitment office!! Above normal wages and lots of perks, this is a non discriminatory post, white British need not required!!
So.. if "they" are harder workers than Britons... then why didn't they work hard enough to improve their own country and their own lot in life? Just curious. Anyway, I don't know why people make these sorts of excuses. Migrants want to go to other countries precisely for mainly one reason - to improve their own lives and future. Britons would be the first people to understand this, because throughout history, British people were amongst the most likely people to migrate away from Britain (which is why there are 140 million descendants of British ancestry living around the world). They left because Britain was a dump at the time, suffering in poverty, famines, wars, etc -- and they wanted better futures for their children, so they sought out "new lands." This is how most Britons ended up in USA, Australia, etc (which already had indigenous people). There's nothing wrong in affording opportunities to people IF that is what they want - "to work hard" - even if it does create conflicts.
Yes I would imagine immigrants do work harder than the average MP
immigration did not reflect the views of Parliament or the Government. BUT it does the voters. Vote UKIP and get rid of these idiots in Parliament.
Good,Now get rid of Bercow,without his lavish pension set up,and replace him with a migrant who does not need a nanny for a quarter of the price he costs the British tax payer.
What a slap in the face to hard working Britons who cannot get work because of tax avoiding East Europeans under cutting their prices and their standards of living. Send him and his annoying wife to live in Romania.
how dare he! Migrants are here because the 'benefits' they have thrown at them are fantastic when compared to their own country - also they live 10 to a room so they pay little rent - a UK resident is not prepared to live with another family in 1 room just to save money - why should we? Bercow - shut your stupid mouth you are a complete idiot and out of touch
Ironic that someone who should never open his mouth was appointed Speaker .
Another Labour idiot who opens his big mouth before engaging brain. "I am here as a friend of Romania", you should have done the British public a huge favor and stopped there.
He should be replaced by a Romanian. See how he likes it.
Maybe we should import some Eastern European politicians then!!!
I BET BERCOW DOES NOT HAVE SIXTEEN ROMANIANS LIVING NEXT DOOR CRAMMED INTO A ONE-BEDROOM FLAT KEEPING HIM AWAKE ALL NIGHT. VOTE UKIP TO END THIS EU NONSENSE.
Why was he there anyway, he is going to pitch his comments to his audience, he is hardly going to go there and say how the benefits bill, housing stock and NHS have dramatically suffered since labours policy of unregulated immigration. Maybe he has the same verbal issues his wife has.
Who would have thought it possible that this nasty nasty little man , could become worse ????
Well he does have a point.
Not very good for the poorest 10% who saw their incomes fall 12% in the last 10 years, with a raft of further cuts vicious Tory cuts to come on top of that. Meanwhile whilst the richest 10% saw their income rise 37%. Anyway with the Tories on just 24% in the latest poll perhaps we could find a migrant worker to do Bercow's job somewhat better than him and for a tenth of the money after the next election? Yes and maybe one who didn't claim the maximum additional expenses allowance until 2008/09, or flip his homes a number of time to avoided paying capital gains tax on the sale of not one but two properties, and then claim just under £1,000 from the tax payer to hire an accountant to fill in his tax returns. You would certainly have to go a long way to find someone who worked harder than Bercow at draining the public purse, a very long way indeed.
In that case, Bercow, let one of them have YOUR job.
Hey Bercow, you idiot! First they lower wages for everyone in the same job because they'll work for less. Next, how many people do they make jobless by stealing their jobs? How can it benefit Britain when you have to pay out more in unemployment benefits? No wonder the UK is in such bad shape with this clown in the job he is!
HEY BERCOW SHUT UP but then again maybe you have a point lets have a foreign worker take over as speaker of the house he/she will proberly do a better job then you, and then you and your attention seeking wife can disappear from public site.
That from someone who's never done an honest day's work in all his life.
I agree with him.
They want the average British worker to compete with what people from the poorest parts of Europe are willing to offer. Vote UKIP.
Just liked his loud-mouthed wife, speaks out without engaging his brain cell.
He would say that. He's of Romanian descent.
The UK is governed by complete idiots!! Bet none of these "hard working" Eastern Europeans live next door to Mr Bercow!! English, yeas NOT British, expat in Vietnam and so glad I am out of there.
What a Cuckoled old fool, it's not the skilled immigrant workers people get annoyed about! it is saturation of the unskilled labour market forcing Britons onto benefits & the immigrants that come solely to abuse the benefits system!
I presume that is inclusive of himself and all the other taxpayer funded cronies
I doubt the British are angry about those immigrants who do work hard and have succeeded in Britain. The problem is that not enough of these immigrants are succeeding and integrating in British society.
Quite right too... Some people don't think for themselves; Bercow is right. All first-generation migrants work harder than the local indigenous population because they have to prove themselves a success. All the economic data supports this observation. But then we shouldn't let facts get in the way of our fears...
Is he one of those that thinks the British taxpayer owes the rest of the world a living
This is him being impartial is it?
He's been a disgrace for a long time, look at the wife.
disgusting comments from a man who has most likely never done a hard days graft in his life..? thank god we have people like nigel farage and UKIP on our side.
Well, the Romanians are much better pickpockets, metal 'finders' and benefit gatherers. But, of course, the silly little man did not mean that in trying to curry favour. Maybe they will keep him?
UK should get out of the European Union.
Bercow talks absolute rot - Our country needs fixing but it starts with giving us our pride back, pride to build things, pride not to have to compete with cheap rubbish from China, pride in our laws, pride in our people young and old. Lets not all go down the "service industry" drain - lets get back to having a good mix - a British mix of talent and respect and a few less cheap scroungers who purport to work hard so as to get in to the UK and then free load. UKIP all the way.
the mans a fool.
Why not. They (migrants) work more hours for less pay, don't mind getting exploited by businesses and have extremely low self esteem. Which business owner wouldn't like that kinda employee.
Hmmm I wonder if he would admit that a migrant was harder working than himself? If not is he just saying the rest of us are lazy? And I would suggest that any advantages on the whole are outweighed by the disadvantages... let's see on the left (for) hand we have 'hard working' ... on the right (against) ... clogs the NHS, needs ever more housing, needs access to education in already overcrowded schools and classes, let's not forget the thousands that don't actually want a job just the nice cushty lifestyle compared to their country of origin.... Methinks the 'against's' have it? Who else agrees? Country's Full UKIP
Fine if you have all your expenses paid, live in a huge free flat right next to where you work and have money to burn - who cares if public services on this small island are creaking under the strain, as long as John's all right.
Whether they are or not is immaterial. The jobs should be available to British workers at a fair rate. If the companies don't make as much money then they can stop paying themselves ludicrous wages. At the bottom of it all is people trying to make a buck off migrant workers, I thought we'd got past the era of robber barons !
He is 100% right, many graft and are fantastic. I don't believe hard working migrants are what people have a problem with. It's the people who come here and claim benefits, people are sick of the number of lazy shirkers who are both born here or emigrate here Sort them out!!!
so the fact that 1/3 babies is born to a foreign mum..and the scourns of foreigners on benefis..in council houses..using our NHS doctors/dentists...that's ok? whether tthey work or not the amount they cost is way more than the pittance they pay in
Mr Bercow's family of course are immigrants from Romania, where they were called Bercowitz.
Then lets have migrant MP's and put you lot on the dole! Bet that would hurt you incompetent toad!
This man DESERVES to be married to daft SALLY!! Crime has NEVER been higher in Britain since the flood gates were opened to Eastern Europeans, and it is only going to get worse and more dangerous. Silly man!
Why don't we just replace our greedy lazy expense scrounging government with Romanian politicians. Berkcow is a pot calling the kettle.
How my raspberries have you picked John boy?
Agree so can we have a migrant to replace this heap of dung then he can go home and work out how he and his stupid wife can pay the compensation due for shouting her fat gob off.
This is horrific. I'm going to send Mrs Fisher some money through the Daily Mail.
Keep repeating the liberal, left-wing mantra...Diversity is strength, Immigration only brings benefits, our communities are vibrant and enriched. (Repeat until brain dead or any ability to think for yourself has departed). ................................................................................. Depressingly true. As we have seen recently we have enough of our dross without importing it. Stop all immigration now and start deporting criminals.NOW.
The Labour legacy lives on, and on, and on, and on, and on....................................
why do we put up with this crap ....................COME ON DAVE AND YOUR PUPPET SORT IT OUT ..............................
We have enough of our own home grown POND LIFE. People should only be allowed to live here if they have a job and a sponsor (before they arrive).
Our urban communites downunder are suffering from the same problems with ill-equipped migrants who resort to crime and theft. The lefty cohort supports them come what may but the rest of us just leave the cities to them and seek safety in the countryside.
I'd suggest a security guard capable of doing the job. surprised he didn't hep the robbers. Hope Mrs Fisher fully recovers from such a horrible ordeal. - Pete, Lincs, 10/8/2011 Suppose you would have sorted them out? Easy to critisise when you are a few miles away isn't?
Great NU-Liebour a legacy of your stupid open door policies. YOU SHOULD BE PROUD.
Catch them, then deport them, then ban them from ever coming back into the UK.
It's the same here in Cyprus with the Eastern Europeans.
the reason nobody helped is because they didn't want a knife thrust into them. i have to admit i would only risk my life for my wife and children.
My sister was pick pocketed in Romford by a gang of east Europeans who followed her and got on the same bus as her. She had hand fulls of shopping and did not realize that she was being distracted by 2 of the gang while the others were going down her hand bag
If caught they will probably be let off as it was their "Human Right" to steal from an innocent elderly lady. In a truly Great Britain they would be sent down for 10 years with hard labour and then deported.
Their behaviour is as disgraceful as the behaviour of the perpetrators. Hopefully when they are found the will be immediately be deported - no mention of human rights - shirleyrose, yorks, 10/8/2011 13:48== Problem there is they simply turn round and come back by the next ship, car, lorry or whatever and start all over again. Border control - forget it. They won't even see when this type of scum return.
I bet this poor lady and all of her family are truly thankful for their enrichment bought upon us by callous , uncaring politicians of all parties. And when they get caught, we will have to pay for their benefits and won't be able to oust them from these shores. God bless the EU! and all the 3 major parties, cowards the lot of 'em.
I think I and many others are getting to the end of our tethers. ALL of these scumbags better get ready cos when we all turn,,,, we're turning big time.... Scumbags DONT rule us or our streets.... we do !!!!!
people keep voting lib/con/lab and this is what you get
Chuck out the Eastern Europeans and give the 'mob' youths rioting in the UK their low paid jobs, get them to work for their dole and rent money!! - maria, dubai, 10/8/2011 12:44 If it involves your own business and money would you really take the risk to employ some of those rioters?
as i have comented before, the only things these eastern block countries brings to the eu, is to export their criminals, well done the idiots at the eu that let them join, turkey next
I wonder how many of the DM readers making comments that someone should have helped would have actually done so themselves. The reward for getting involved these days is a blade through your chest.
How come nobody offered to help this poor woman ,that Security Guard should Sacked. Forget this European Law Germany and France dont abide by it, only our weak Politicions and Judges hide behide it. Any Politicion and Judge or Human Rights Mob who side with these robbers are guilty of Treason. Look after your own Citizens take a leaf out of Austrialia and Canada they know how to protect their Citizens.
Maybe the riots will actually have a positive effect....people are SO sick of how immigrants/thugs behave in this country that I think the tide may have turned. Instead of people turning a blind eye to stuff like this, I think they may actually start to retaliate. I'm sure that if one person tried to step in, others would too to back them up. It takes real guts to be first though..?
Is anybody surprised by this when we have all and sundry that are allowed to come here from these Countries, even if they have a criminal record. They have no homes and no jobs but they can come and steal and assult our own people. Any foreigner that comes here and committes a crime should be deported immediately Never mind the Human rights , or whether he is entitled to a family life, he gave all that up when he committed the crime. We have got to get tough over here. just look at the last few days and what has happened to our Country.
Det Con Barry Carter, of the Metropolitan Police, said: 'The incident has left the victim and her daughter extremely shaken.' We know that, plod. Your job is to catch the criminals, not to state the bleeding obvious! GET ON WITH IT, OR WE'LL DO IT OURSELVES!!!!
Tonyy Blair's open door policy certainly has a lot to answer for!
I was walking through a major shopping centre when 3 afro carribean lads starting trying to get my attention, whistling etc. I wasn't interested and also carrying my then two year old daughter. One ran up behind me and grabbed my shoulder spinning me round. He grabbed my hair and told me that when he was speaking to me I had better stop and acknowledge him. There were two security guards about 4 meters away who just stood looking. My daughter started to cry and I told him to let go of me. He punched me in the face. The security guards did nothing, they didn't even attempt to move. Infact no one did anything, on a saturday afternoon in a packed shopping centre. No one cares anymore.
i think its absolutely disgusting that people stood by and watched thi shappen and not a single person stepped in. I dont care how many robbers there were, an angry crowd of people would have been enough to make them run off. they are Bullies, plain and simple, and picking on an elderly lady in a wheel chair is a clear demonstration of that fact. Why did no one step up and help her? I'd have flown straight in. All i'd be able to think of is if that were my gran or nan, I'd hope that people would help her so how could i possibly stand by and not try to help? poor lady :(
I thought all Eastern Europeans were supposed to be hardworking and industrious and a credit to our country - DON'T THINK SO. DEPORT THEM or hang them if you like, personally I couldn't care so long as they're not allowed to scrounge here any longer.
Keep repeating the liberal, left-wing mantra...Diversity is strength, Immigration only brings benefits, our communities are vibrant and enriched. (Repeat until brain dead or any ability to think for yourself has departed).
what about all the people who would be standing around and watching. Their behaviour is as disgraceful as the behaviour of the perpetrators. Hopefully when they are found the will be immediately be deported - no mention of human rights.
I'd suggest a security guard capable of doing the job. surprised he didn't hep the robbers. Hope Mrs Fisher fully recovers from such a horrible ordeal.
We had incident at St Michaels, Croydon, where five Eastern Europeans, spilt a drink on one of our elderly parishoners, in the grounds to the rear of the church, as she was going to our Tea rooms for Lunch, She was held (pinioned) by the gang under the pretence of cleaning the fluid off her clothes whilst her handbang was stolen by one of the other gang members. The handbag contained over two hundred pounds, being her Mothers and her own pension just with drawn from Santander-about 30 yards from the church, it is presumed the lady was followed from the Bank.
We need to bring back the spirit of the Blitz! - Shirereeve, Abroad, 10/8/2011 08:59 Already have. Midlands cities being sacrificed for the sake of London as we speak
Well we have a skills shortage I that area that's why we need to import from the Europe. You only have to looking at the TV and see all our home grown criminals are otherwise busy.
They should boycott Debenhams & sack the firm that provided the security, WHERE WERE THE POLICE!!! Were their no men shopping in the store?? There must be cctv of this applalling asault. FIND & DEPORT THE SCUM!!
All we hear from people is how lazy ourcitizens are and how hard working Eastern Europeans are. There are some evil ones among them and many are in jail as the ECHR travesty of justice stops us from deporting them. They are living free in prison with televisions, food menus etc. There are good and bad in every country and all the people I know are very hard working. I have also read about graduates cleaning toilets as they WANT to work. Anon
Another sad story involving a defenceless pensioner. When & if all this dross are caught a stiff sentence in prison followed by instant deportation. The Debenhams security guard did nothing, sack him & then as a goodwill gesture refund her with her lost pension along with some vouchers.
This will go on, as long as you keep voting Lib/Lab/Con.
Chuck out the Eastern Europeans and give the 'mob' youths rioting in the UK their low paid jobs, get them to work for their dole and rent money!!
Due to Nu Labour's open door policy these types of vermin are flooding in.
Yep, welcome to multicultural Britain! Thanks to the last 30 years of liberal, do-gooder, pc government!
Oh, Eastern Europeans eh, apparently here because of a skill shortage? Sort it out Cameron, and quickly!
This breaks my heart, the elderly must be terrified living in scum-bag Britain today. The security Guard wouldn't help. Her daughter should have screamed for help, I bet you a member of the public would have !. Shame on Debenham's . I hope Emily makes a full recovery.
Boycott Debenhams! They obviously don't give a flying one! If the defenceless can't fight back physically, they will have to do so by other means. We need to bring back the spirit of the Blitz!
I have worked with both latvians & poles.the comments from them were if brits went to their countries we would find it hard to get jobs and in one instance a polish girl admitted that other than food,rent and getting about she spent very little of her money in the Uk preferring to spent it at home where she said that goods were cheaper and the quality better.
They were to be the new Liebour voters poor Eastern Europeans in poorly paid jobs and given all the help from the state look how we look after you vote Liebour. May that vile and malignant party never attain power again in this country.
Referendum equals democracy? Answer britain dosnt have a working democracy.We have people posting and asking to remove us out of the EU we dont get the chance.
Apart from the loons in the Labour party, I expect everyone knew years ago that immigration of the last decade would bring little if any benefits to the UK's economy. It was obvious that the hordes queuing up at Calais or stepping off the regular buses from Europe were not coming here to start up companies, build factories, lead the way in medicine, invest in the economy etc. We could clearly see that taken in total, it would just drain our public services.
Blair and Brown were being told that before they opened the flood gates. These Eastern Europeans have cost this country billions, they claim for housing allowance, childrens allowence. No one checks that the claims are legitimate. All immigrants no matter where they are from must pay at least ten years income tax before any benefits are paid
Anything that puts a burden on a country's infrastructure cannot be seen as a boost. The NHS is on its knees, the education system is struggling to cope with the amount of extra pupils, there is no social housing so private landlords are rubbing their hands in glee and the tapayer picks up the bill. The simple fact is that the UK is bursting at the seems and we really can't afford to maintain people from other countries.
I've always wondered what the reaction would in Poland if one million British people arrived there to work. I suspect the Poles would not take the same complacent, apathetic view as the British.
How in the world have any of these people from the former eastern block countries done anything for this little island ,What they have done is come here reap the benefits like have money sent back to families who are said to have children back home and at the same time increased our population ,caused a demand on the NHS, used up accomodation slowed our childrens education in schools because there families don't try and help with english as they want to be here but they have not the slightest intention of learning our language . So to any one who says that we've gained something . I say what and prove it .
Dear Sirs, Please, note that not all Eastern European migrants are parasites living on British soil. I am 30 years old Polish woman. I have been living and working in the UK since 2004. I have never claimed a benefit . I was raised with a strong work ethic! Also, I am in the middle of doing the degree in Computer Science(which I am funding myself). I am fond of your rich culture and obey the law. Surely, my presence is not a threat to your economy.
And even if it had been significant, can you imagine that the opposite would have happened in their countries of origin? If they boost the economy abroad they surely can't be boosting it in their countries as wel, can they? Should some countries become rich by exploiting people from other countries? The same goes for importing doctors and nurses from countries that badly need them but well, nobody cares, do they? When they talk about importing the best, do they give these things a thought at all?
What Think Tank did not say is why? Immigrants are for cheap labour for the Labour PartyÂ’s chums, the industrialist. They have made pots of money even if the economy is worse off. Oh, Think Tank will probably be in touch with me. Might help them out in future if the money is good.
A couple of yrs ago a programme called Bobski the builder was aired. The Polish " builder" went back to Poland to hire a friend who packed all his own food and worked here for about 6 weeks. He paid no tax or NI.. and in the process depriving UK tradesmen of the work who do pay taxes etc. Factor in all these " losses" to our treasury and I would be suprised if we gained at all
The local elections are coming up and that is the chance we need for everyone to say "enough is enough" and vote for UKip. They are not going to get into power via the local elections but it can send a loud and clear message to the main parties that the country has had enough of our own leaders turning their back on us, our values and traditions in favour of those who have never (and most will never) put anything into this country but will continue to bleed us dry. It is totally unfair that our own people are struggling to make ends meet, losing their jobs and their homes and yet we continue to take more and more scroungers in so that they can take the money from a kitty that they have never put a penny into and yet those who have paid into the system are ignored in favour of the scroungers and worse than that is the fact that the immigrants/migrants get far more in the way of benefits than those who have paid into the system.. c'mon UK, wake up and get us out of the EU Vote Ukip
Mass immigration was always just an excuse to drive wages down for the working classes, Labour was and is full of marxist zealots whose agenda is equality for all nations even at the expense of their own citizens.......and unbelievably the working classes voted for it not once but three times.
How much more money is going to be spent on these reports proving what most of us already know. Let's go through this again without spending a penny - these people were never intended to boost our economy. They were imported by the criminal syndicate to boost their chances of perpetual power through bribery for votes. The staggering amount of money they have cost us in everything from public services to benefits was built into the criminal levels of money borrowed by Gordon Brown's 'government' To new Labour the cost of their votes was priceless and the consequences of that unannounced policy plain to see.
Is this a case of lies, dam lies and statics? Does this research take into account any effect on the productivity of “domestic” workers? If thousand of Brits decided to go onto benefits at the same time, causing a big drop in output, or average wages were suppressed then those migrants could have more than compensated for it. As for making a net contribution to the economy, I'm lead to believe that someone has had to earn something like £40+ a year or so to do so, much more than the average wage so most people don’t really add much anyway.
More info from the University of the Bleedin' Obvious.
Amazing that the last Labour government spoon fed us all on believing that the influx from Easter Europe was a good thing for the economy. Yet I see many selling the Big Issue in our streets. Ididnt realise that this magazine contributed so much to the UKs economy!
Another point; in Spain everybody was told mass immigration was good for the economy, then years later the Socialist government quietly began paying them to go home to South America because they realized it wasn't good at all, now Spain has 5 million unemployed.
As usual, far right approach to any immigration. I suggest looking at certain facts, like one major one, that most of the immigration which came here only worked on low level wages, national minimum as a matter of fact. Therefore, most of the well paid jobs still remained within British citizens who in addition could fix their plumbing, build a shed, have a caretaker for their children or a courier-driver to bring them ordered supplies, for which they spent less as opposed to the situation when those low wage jobs were not taken at all, because many English people rather than working low wage preferred staying on benefits!
So how do we get rid of the millions that have come here in the last ten years who are depleting the economy in DHSS payments and housing benefits? Answer - you can't. We must act now. Close the gates so NO ONE gets in, and turf out those who shouldn't be here. All visas cancelled. Then weigh up the damage done by these profilgate and useless politicians, and start rebuilding our society once again, making sure ALL immigrants speak and practice the British way of life. If not, out you go. But I can't see this happening with our useless lot of spineless jellyfish politicians. So goodbye what used to be Britain. I'm off to the good ole US of A.
The Left called us racists even going back to the 70's and Labour sneaked in the Race Discrimination bill to protect these immigrants. When you allow mass immigration without visas, checks both qualifications and health you get a drain on national resources. Most of the indeginous population knew this would happen, new the entrance to the Common Market wouldn't benefit Britain. Hitler must be laughing in his grave watching the cave in of a once great nation without a single shot being fired. The only way forward is to start voting for a minority party, all three of the main parties are weak, useless, pathetic, and their MPs in it for their own gain, with no loyalty to the indeginous population. God help you all, because you are sinking.
Best read the report quickly then, version two will be out soon proving that immigrants are far better for the country than its natives. We can't have anyone telling us the truth, especially if it doesn't fit in with Government policy
Mass immigration was always just an excuse to drive wages down for the working classes, Labour was and is full of marxist zealots whose agenda is equality for all nations even at the expense of their own citizens.......and unbelievably the working classes voted for it not once but three times.
Trevor, you ask "what's going to be done about it?" Let me answer that for you. As in every other churning out of this "revelation," over several years ...... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. We will never be told the billions it has cost us to house, feed, educate, treat medically and throw welfare benefits at! No political party has the will, or the courage to enforce the will of the people. But they are not the only ones to blame for the ruination of Britain. We, the people who have stood by and watched our country being swamped with economic migrants and those who will never feel a seconds allegiance to our once great nation, must also accept much of the responsibility. History will show this to be the greatest tragedy of all time. Stop all immigration NOW and remove us from the undemocratic EU. But I fear it's all too little, too late.
The important number is the GDP per head of the population. Immigration reduced it and any effect was therefore negative.
Many of us knew that such immigration would be a real problem even in the 1950s - we were assured that immigrants were needed to fill the jobs that British people did not want! We were even content to encourage our millions of British migrants to go to countries like Australia - the millionth of whom sailed to Australia in 1955. Now the jobs that British people did not want are no longer available to British people. Sad that so many are still so short sighted.
Well I never, you could knock me down with a feather, you mean to say that Liebour were telling us porky's all along. Who would have believed it?
That wretched government should hold their head in shame ,what I cannot understand is why no one is accountable,that government and its immigration policies will and will always be "NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE".
As i understand it, anyone earning less than 24k, is not paying enough tax, to even cover all the services he will use, so if someone comes to the uk, and gets a job paying 15k, that person dosent pay enough tax, to even cover his own needs, and has to have his services subsidised for him, So thier is no real point in letting in unskilled people, now a doctor that comes to the uk, and makes 150k, he would be making a big contribution to uk.
the only beneficiaries were big business. the fact that this happened under labour and that the people to suffer most from it are labour voters should bring shame upon all labour mp's.
The cost of keeping these migrants in terms of public services, and the cost to the general public caused by the lack of housing, increased crime and loss of their jobs, far outweighs any dubious benefits. It has always been a lie that migrant labour and immigration has benefited this country. Politicians have fed us the lie over and over again because they know that we now have no control over our borders, they have sold our soul to the E.U.
All these leaders blatantly lie to us. We should be used to it by now. Why does it always take so long to tell us what we already know? It is high time that the majority of the public stopped voting for these parties that do nothing to benefit the British people and do everything to upset their lives. - Richard Clarke (ex-pat), South Carolina. USA, 02/5/2011 07:3 YOU THINK YOU HAVE DEMOCRACY BECAUSE YOU CAN VOTE, but once they are in power they dictate what will be !! Do you believe your in a Democracy now ????
NO - really? Never??? Who would have thought it???? Are the British people the only ones who knew this, why is it that the 'powers that be' have only just realised?
This period will eventually be known as the time when the UK pillaged the world. We are constantly made to feel guilty by the left over our colonial days when we supposedly took resources from the rest of the world. In the modern world the most valuable resources are knowledge and ambition and that is what we are taking. Poland trains the doctors it needs, we take them for our use. The people with drive that should lead a country to better things with their ingenuity all come to the UK. Immigration is doing no one any good at all. Not us and certainly not the poor countries we are robbing. Even asylum on the scale it is now used is wrong. If all the gays leave Iran and come here, who will support future gays there? The only way these places will change is if we support the people staying there that cam make a difference.
Another MYTH! that mass immigration to the country has a benefit, did they include the cost of keeping British working people on the dole because most of the new jobs created went to foreign workers and that most send money back home, which has no benefit to this country and what about benefit payments.
Never trust a word a polictian tells you - we all learnt that during the Blair years, this just reinforces it. The man lied, lied and lied, and if he didn't need to lie, he'd still lie anayway, just to keep in practice.
I have come to the reluctant conclusion that he EU is very bad for us. All that has happened is that the foreign work force take our jobs, we pay out loads to the EU for the privilage, we have stacks of foreign criminals and can't deport them, our services are overwhelmed, they don't buy our goods, our population is alianated, they have no loyalty to Britain and look back to their home countries and that goes for none EU migrants as well, and generally I can't see any benefit. We are poorer and fast becoming a minority and goodness knows how it will be when they really get the upper hand. The only comfort I can derive is that eventually they will vote for their own politicians and kick ours out.
Thanks Labour Oh and while I am at it the Liberals had an opportunity to side with the Tories to stop this mass immigration policy of liar and Brown but renieghed on it. So thanks Cable that should make you happy to. STOP denigrating the nation its core values and belifes And some one pleaseeeeeeeee start a real campaign to get us out of the EU. But instead of being meek get some real backing and money to fight this slide into obscurity and national insignificance.
'of little or no economic benefit..'. Yes and that's exactly what the (old) House of Lords Committee reported about all immigration, way back in 2007. Immigration was not about economic benefits. For ZanuLabour it was purely about bringing ethnic change to Britian.
The politicians are the top don't know what it's like in low paid jobs when you're competing for jobs and getting replaced by cheap labour. They get cheaper nannies and cleaners and businessmen love cheap labour so they don't care either. It's tough for the working class who just want a decent wage and standard of living for a full time job. But now unemployment is high and wages slashed in a race to the bottom
Not only was the Eastern European migrants' boost to economy 'insignificant', but they caused severe strain on our infrastructure and increased our costs (eg schools, languages, benefits etc) disproportionately. This applies even more so to the glut of Third World immigrants. The electorate has been acutely aware and opposed to this for a long time. When are the MPs we elected to act on our behalf going to do something about it?
Well surprise, surprise!!!
Well I had worked that out long ago. They earn less and the money saved goes to the people who pay them and then they put in the bank. If the money paid in wages went to Brits they would spend it in our economy buying goods which would make more work here at home. Eastern European workers mostly bank their wages and then spend the money in their home countries. So ultimately the employers who hire them lose out. They really are very dim. Short term thinking as usuall. I bet they didn't factor in the amount spent extra in keeping our own people out of work and the amount paid out in benefits and the strain on services by a larger population either.
@"So, what is going to be done about it?" Get out of the sinking EU as fast as possible!!! That's what has to be done.
Don't forget they depressed wages too, resulting in more people on the dole. Put together the benefits they can now claim, the fact all they earn goes back out of the country, it is probably billions negative.
Not only did Eastern European migration to the UK have no positive impact on our economy but the huge benefits payouts even after they had returned home must have made their influence on the economy very much less than beneficial. Then when you take into account the thousands of British workers who lost jobs to the Eastern European economic migration and the cost in benefits to pay for those put out of work, there is not even a slim chance of positive outcome from the Labour immigration madness. Perhaps Labour thought that by allowing hundreds of thousands of ex communists into the UK their socialist future was assured. Sadly they did not realise that ex communists like capitalism more.
Let's not be too despondent: we have another million or so migrants to welcome to our country when other countries join the EEC: or maybe our political masters will admit to the mistakes of the past?
The BNP was warning about this for years. And guess what: it is about to get very VERY much worse with new EU rules, and that will be nothing compared to the millions waiting in the wings for Turkeys membership.
Before we can sort our `immigration problem out we have to get out of the EU. Because they dictate to us how many we will have to take, and all the EU countries can come here when they like to live and work and we cannot stop them. Or easier option Thursday vote BNP or UKIP>
blair/browns experiment with immigration, is coming apart at the seems,but immigration will still go on unchecked, dont believe a word the major parties say about immigration
We knew this all along but try telling the politicians who have their own private, agendas. The East Europeans will now be allowed to work in France and Germany, although I'm sure most of them will still head here, for the benefits, so let's see how they like their Farcical Union now.
So, what is going to be done about it? - trevor, ammanford, wales, 02/5/2011 08:00 In a word, NOTHING.
This is not news to us. Neither will it be news to a long line of traitorous politicians. We have learned one thing from all we have endured. That conmen are really good at conning.
I don't think a prime minister ever came into office with so much opportunity to unite the best parts of this country behind him. Cameron could have held an EU referendum, torched QUANGOs, halted immigration, scrapped the human rights scam, cut foreign aid, etc. We'd be putting him up for sainthood right now. Instead he chose to yield to every capricious whim from Brussels and to pussyfoot around hoping not to upset anybody. He panders and appeases just like a marxist. He's worse than nothing. When he leaves a room it must feel like someone has just walked in. I cannot adequately express my contempt.
Who needs a think tank to tell us the public what we already knew,its the people in power who need to get there heads out of the sand and face reality
The politicians are at each otherÂ’s throats over AV which the Yes campaign tell us we will have more control over our MP's my response is it has an A two L's and an S and rhythms with Halls. The public want a referendum on the EU,the majority would bring back hanging, immigration is not wanted,Iraq,Afghanistan etc,etc so this information comes as no surprise but in our so called democracy it means nothing because the destroyers of democracy sitting in Parliament could not care less about our views on anything.
In Gloucester we had/have a very large influx of migrant workers - those who were here to make money spent as little as possible whilst sending the rest home. Those who stayed were those who looked forward to the rewards provided by breading. Most of the earlier migrants I knew have returned to their own countries - because of the way the economy was heading - and upon returning received their British State agreed couple of thousand payment. As for working ethics they were the same as anyone else, once they were securely employed - if they were not then they were exploited for the simple reason they lacked knowledge of their rights and were disposable as all agency staff are.
So!!! The bains of the outfit got it wrong AGAIN along with the brains who told us that there would be only 13,000 wanting to come. Only 12 months previous they were sneking in on the backs of a lorries.
Why do we need think tanks to tell us what we already know. It would be far better if some so called think tank "Think Tank what a stupid name" told us how to reverse this total disaster.
another Labour triumph. impossible calculate the damage Bliar did
A boost to our misery, yes. A boost to the unemployment benefits for our own people.
Let's wreck the place, Oh sorry labour have beaten us to it
Since most of them took the entry level jobs our schoolleavers would normally take, has anyone counted the cost to the country in benefits and broken dreams, and the creation of a lost generation.
I'm not a well educated man but I knew that what most immigrants take out of the country is 10 fold compared to what they would put in. These politicians lack foresight and only think of the benefits to themselves.
This so called "boost" equates to less than £700 per immigrant, but how much has it cost us, with extra hospital beds being taken, extra housing being taken (with benefits), plus all the extra infrastructure demanded. SOME BOOST
I was NEVER asked if I wanted this for our Country. Neither was anyone else.
Substitute the word insignificant in the headline for 'a drain' and we will be nearer the truth.
Can someone please tell me how immigration can benifit Britain when thousands of the indiginous population are put on the dole.
Mass immigration confers absolutely no benefits whatsoever, other than the opportunity to have an Indian, Chinese or Thai meal. It completely distorts the economy. Not only must it be stopped - it must be reversed. I'm sick to the back teeth of people saying that we've always had immigration. It is at best a half truth. The majority of immigrants in the past have come from northern Europe, people's with whom we have much in common. The last mass immigration was that of the Huguenots. Negroes from the West Indies and Lascars from India arrived in drips and drabs. Immigration in the past was nothing like that we have seen since 1948.
Everyone with any common sense knew this.The evil empire knew this as well-but decided to punish its unappreciative electorate by swamping them with immigrants who would take their jobs. Dont you just love the Left wing mindset!
Right your admitting it was wrong to let them all in now can you send them all home you useless idiot politicians
" a groundbreaking report. " , what a load of rubbish. From the start the Poles told us they were only here to earn enough money to build a family house in their homeland, they were not here to help our economy as they always said they were going back to Poland as soon as they had earned enough money.
ANY COMMENTS FROM THE LABOUR LOT ?
no! well i,ll never believe the goverment again......
They didn't need experts to come up with this answer, so send all these Europeans home, and stuff the EU!
Once again the facts show that Blair, Brown and NuLab Rabble were lying! In many countries such deception would warrant a trip to court and then a jail sentence. Why not in this country?
Only one party will close the borders and end welfare dependency.... but we don't want to talk about those "racists". The establishment, who started multiculturalism in the first place, will fix it.
Another point; in Spain everybody was told mass immigration was good for the economy, then years later the Socialist government quietly began paying them to go home to South America because they realized it wasn't good at all, now Spain has 5 million unemployed.
I have just stayed in Oxford for the weekend...Almost all of the workers in the hotel, bars, restaurants, shops were non-English...No wonder there are so many people out of work...
A vibrant economy will attract migrants who will be good for that economy. Not likely to get many now, with the economy less than flatlining over the last six months. Try multiplying 100 by .995 and then multiplying the result by 1.005. See what I mean. Osborne couldn't organise a nut roast in a burning hazel forest!
Labour and tory will never put an end to immigration as long as they are voted into power time after time after time,They will never allow a referendum on the E.U.so vote for a party that will the choice is yours.
Yes, we knew all that, but noone listened, drowned out by the noise of the wet bedding do gooders.
At least no mansions will go empty.
wow , imigrants take our jobs and ship money abroad,, and this is of no benifit to our country,,,, who would have thought ????
We all know this, the reason why nothing is done is, the EU requires it, the UK politicians almost to a man/woman supports the EU. If we wait for them to act as we wish, we wait in vain. As far as the Lib/Con/Lab politicians are concerned, things are progressing fine,as the EU planned. The only way is to demand British independence by withdrawing from the European Union now.
Clues in the word 'think tank'; a group made up of libral accademics that have never done a days work in their lives, and don't live in the real world.
Eastern European immigrants are not a problem. They don't come with weird chips on their shoulders about 'empire', and they don't bring bizarre religious baggage with them. They should be encouraged.
How could an influx of foreign workers possibly 'boost' the economy? Any money that they earn goes pack to Poland, yet they are entitled to claim all kinds of benefits. They drive Polish registered cars, which neither the DVLA or the police keep track of, that aren't taxed, insured or MOT'd here. I ask again; hw could a situation like that POSSIBLY boost our economy?!?!?!
Ah look at that. Another renewed attack on Labour's 'open door' migration policy. Will this renewed attack result in anything being done about it by the Coalition? It's doubtful. Cameron hasn't done anything more than just whine in the media about how incensed and furious he is when it comes to Brussels. He's never actually refused a EuroQUANGOcrat whim and I doubt that he ever will. I won't be voting for him again.
Wheras their current drain on our economy IS significant!!
The argument often put forward that the NHS would collapse without immigration misses the point that they also use the NHS causing the need for more staff, it's another pyramid scheme, and the same applies to any of the public services.
The influx of Eastern Europeans, asylum seekers, benefit tourists, overseas 'students' and their relatives have succeeded in turning this nation into a third rate, overpopulated and unpleasant place to live. In fact the sheer numbers and 'diversity' are destroying the very things they came here for. The next wave will be Arabs form North Africa (already on their way) and the final straw will be Turkey entering the EU.
As an ex-pat, vehemently opposed to the EU on a nationalistic and ideological level I am still amazed that normal people in the UK seem blasé about the whole thing. When will the majority realise that the EU is not a good thing. RS, Brisbane------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yes me too RS, when we heard yesterday that the EU are removing England from the map and merging it into France as the Arc Manche region, you would imagine people would be very very angry. Immigrants have brought NO BENEFIT to this country in the huge numbers that arrive here, more rhetoric about doing something about it is rubbish, we are bound by EU rules and from May 1st even give them benefits on arrival. The Lisbon Treaty overrules our British Constitution, we no longer govern our own country. How dare the Coalition work against their own people, how dare they continue to destroy us. Leave the EU now and return immigrants without work visas home!
".....He added: 'This is the last nail in the coffin of LabourÂ’s immigration policy.'....." ------------ I don't agree. The last nail will be the entire undoing of LabourÂ’s immigration policy. Unfortunately, the ECHR and our compliant government and judiciary will ensure that nail is never taken out of the box, let alone banged in.
The point is being missed here, now that the UK has to immediately pay benefits to anyone coming from these so called EU countries in Eastern Europe, then just watch a tidal wave of the lower end of their societies turn up on our shores. Our weak ineffective governmenty will just say ' We cannot do anything about it'
Hi Brits - we love you. I`d love to write longer comment but.. I must go back to work:). Do not believe that cheap propaganda!!!
i am an eastern european i get 300 a week from wich i save 50.i pay rent transport food gym and the 200 i save each month go towards my saving with wich i plan to get a mortgage HERE togheter with my husband! so yeah they allllll going to my country.
They actually drain the economy by sending a lot of their money back home. Anyone who couldn't foresee that isn't fit to be in government.
'Over the same period (2004-2009) Britain's GDP grew by £98bn - of which 5 per cent can be attributed to immigration, the NIESR said.' That's 5% more than George Osbourne's managed. Since when has £5bn been insignificant?
Blair and Browns legacy are with us now and forever and will come into fruition in 30/50 years when the English will be a minority peoples! Well done nu labour!!
There should be a way to reverse this migration and preventing it from happening again. One way would be for us to leave the EC but that is too much to hope for with all our pro EC politicians. No migran from Europe should be provided with any public services e.g. housing, medical treatment etc/.and should be subject to expulsion if found committing any crime including motoring offences. Companies recruiting foreign workers e.g. bus drivers etc., should assume full rsponsibility for all actions of the migrant and for all consequences of that employment
Well done Labour you complete bunch of idiots. A ten year old could have told you that this was not a good idea.
Benefits are far too high in the UK and will continue to attract poorer citizens of the EU. It being not worth working and State dependency is one of the major factors which broke Portugal. The UK will now go the same way. Benefits need to be uniform throughout the EU if it is to survive. This will result in people in the UK having to work if they want the life style of the average employee.
It's taken a `ground-breaking report' from a `resprected think-tank' to disclose the perfectly perishin' obvious? That's because the politicians who should have seen it coming are blind, blind, blind! Every eastern european who finds employment in this country does a job that ought to have been done by a Briton. Some 80% of jobs created under New Labour went to foreign nationals whilst Britons languished on the dole, costing the taxpayer tens of billions of pounds in benefits each year. All the entry-level posts that should have been available to school-leavers were taken by those from overseas, leaving a betrayed generation who are now de-motivated and all but un-employable. The ramifications will last 50 years and more. Meanwhile, many outsiders worked long enough to qualify for social-security benefits both for themselves and their families back home. Many others work in the black economy and pay no tax at all. Quite simply; it's ruined us.
All these jobs should have been taken by the UK unemployed. As well as reducing the benefits bill this would have saved on the additional services and housing required by the immigrants.
Wait until Turkey is admitted into the EU. Not only will there be a massive influx from there but from beyond via its porous borders. What's more, if we are not a poor country why are we paying such poor wages for jobs that only immigrants will take them? There are enough native Brits to do all jobs - from the lowest to highest levels. And if an immigrant hasn't got a job or money to support themselves we should show them the door anyway - as in Germany, yes a fellow EU country!
Why is it necessary to waste money on a report to tell us what anyone with intelligance would have known. It's all totally pointless as nothing will be done anyway, immigrants from Europe will continue to be allowed entry and the jobless numbers will continue to grow.
In all honesty, I think we already knew this...................
2/5/2011 I still cannot believe that people stil vote Labour,the voting population hold all the cards but still insist in putting the same pro E.U, and pro immigrant partie's back into power. If you want a curb on immigration and an exit from the E.U. then surely your vote must be U.K,I,P. If you vote otherwise you are agreeing with unlimited immigration and paying £48 million a day into the corrupt E.U coffers. OGGA1.
The fact that immigrants cost the UK more than they contribute has been known for years and Denmark - who over the past few years have made it more difficult for immigrants to enter the country - recently reckoned that they have saved 15billion euros a year by so doing. I have not seen this news published anywhere in the UK, but it was in the Economist.
2/5/2011 I still cannot believe that people stil vote Labour,the voting population hold all the cards but still insist in putting the same pro E.U, and pro immigrant partie's back into power. If you want a curb on immigration and an exit from the E.U. then surely your vote must be U.K,I,P. If you vote otherwise you are agreeing with unlimited immigration and paying £48 million a day into the corrupt E.U coffers. OGGA1.
And they need a thinktank to tell us what we already know , what a bunch of gonks
They certainly had a significant impact on the construction industry, as you would be well aware of if you were self-employed in that sector, trying to compete with Polish cowboys working for peanuts.
The cost of having huge areas of your country changed beyond recognition cant be calculated in monetary terms,and i dont believe these figures for a moment,the costs in housing and all benifits.policing,healthcare etc make them a drain on you rather then a credit.
They haven't included the cost to our NHS, the number of Births to Foreign born women, the Gps over loaded with New patients that do not speak English. The cost of providing accommodation, before our own English people. The shear volume of crime and police time.
Most people that I know thought that this was the case many years ago. Now it is proved with statistics. The last Labour government should be thoroughly ashamed of itself for implementing such a policy. Blair should be brought to task and prosecuted for his criminal warmongering and his responsibility for the chaos he has caused. I fervently hope Labour never ever get into power again and that this coalition government can get its finger out and actually do something positive.
So, what is going to be done about it?
Now that Dragon is laid - ie the myth that 'immigration is good for the economy of the country' - can we accept that there is NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER from immigration - and STOP IT NOW ?
No! Do you think? Do you mean to say that we are not in an economic seventh heaven to compensate us for being swamped by strangers in our own land? No doubt Vince will apologise for misleading us then? Thought not!
I will lay two things: First this is only a partial report which contrast from other reliable sources that say the immigrants indeed did contribute with the GNP of this country. Most of them filled job vacancies that no British wanted to and the employers were happy of those immigrants. Others are highly skilled and contribute with their talent to different sectors in science, arts and others amid the shortage of qualified British candidates, don't forget the report of Tesco in Northamptonshire looking for workers in Slovakia. Second dont' blame the immigrants of the economical and financial mess in which this country is inmersed, blame the government and top bankers. Look at Germany the most powerful economy in Europe, besides good management they acknowledge the contribution of their immigrants who work hardly.
Okay, now we know what the 'boost' was. Can we now know the cost of NHS, schooling, public services, housing, crime, translation, and the rest of the expense associated with this torrent of unwanted immigration?
so the pluses of mass migration half a percent rise in the economony minusus. prisons. hospitals. water surply. schools .all at breaking point. there was only a few labour MPs who could nott foresee this. unless the did and set out to destroy the country.
All these leaders blatantly lie to us. We should be used to it by now. Why does it always take so long to tell us what we already know? It is high time that the majority of the public stopped voting for these parties that do nothing to benefit the British people and do everything to upset their lives.
This is Labour's legacy. There will be no change in the pattern of movement from Eastern Europe, because no other country in Europe is as soft as the UK on immigration, benefits, housing, and a general free ride. When an immigrant can claim benefits here for his absent family (who are already claiming benefits in his home country too), and also take on black market work, plus get free housing and health services, why on earth would they leave?
Eastern Europeans can now work in France, however unless they can speak fluent French and have provide evidence of skills, their chance of finding work is very low. Employment agencies in the UK accepted polish immigrants without proof of skills, how many Brits would they accept on trust alone? Even if your polish plumber/electrician is qualified, if he can't speak English how can he possibly understand UK by-laws and safety requirements.
This report must be wrong, I see some of them quite often, going to "work" with their "tools" IE accordions and trumpets!
Not only was the boost insignificant, how much did it cost Britain in the money they sent home. Add to that having to keep people 'on the dole'. I think the boost was not even a boost, but more an 'anti-boost' with Britain losing out. The problem is with the Governments we get Britain always loses out.
Had the flood of immigrants largely consisted of qualified people, i.e. doctors, scientists, self-employed tradesmen etc., we would have been enriched as a nation. However, it didn't. The majority of immigrants are, or will be, benefits dependent, either now or in the future. They will contribute little and be a drain on the welfare state. But, hey, they'll be bound to vote Labour, won't they??
Selective use of figures and facts by the DM as usual. The report yesterday emphasised the financial benefits to the UK earned from taxation etc, and the corresponding permanent loss of growth to France and Germany. But why let the truth get in the way of a story.
Oh dear, another inconvenient truth comes home to roost.
How many more times do we all have to say it "STOP allowing non-British people to settle in the UK." Control immigration with an iron fist. The government needs to start listening to the British public.
Someone isn't doing their sums properly. For evey migrant that comes here, it means that there is one more person on benefits for the lifetime of that migrants stay. Add in any medical benefits, housing benifits, schooling for the children, policing for any wrong doing and the change in the crime patterns such as the increase in knife and gun crime and maternity benefits. We are not talking of a highly skilled migrant workforce who come here and can stand alone without the state. Then there is the inffrastructure that has to be built to service the needs of the millions who have come here. Roads, schools, hospitals and housing. All diverted from existing communities to service a new workforce, depriving the existing population
Well....my job in construction went to immigrants... And now my 2 sons are unemployed ,unable to get work mainly due to cheap imported labour taking all the work I left...and never regretted it...
We know that, all that happened was that poorly paid British workers got even lower salaries due to competition from immigrants. This happens the world over, and now our poor working class (those that have the decency to work) are worse off. Mind you the ruling classes got even cheaper cleaners & plumbers so they didnt care, neither did our politicians, and Labour specifically who used to be the champion of the working man??? Shame on them all.. You know the average working class person cant afford to even get on the property ladder. I had a Fork Lift Driver worker in my last company who earned 15k a year... he had no kids because he couldn't afford them and he was British, not an immigrant.
We know that, all that happened was that poorly paid British workers got even lower salaries due to competition from immigrants. This happens the world over, and now our poor working class (those that have the decency to work) are worse off. Mind you the ruling classes got even cheaper cleaners & plumbers so they didnt care, neither did our politicians, and Labour specifically who used to be the champion of the working man??? Shame on them all.. You know the average working class person cant afford to even get on the property ladder. I had a Fork Lift Driver worker in my last company who earned 15k a year... he had no kids because he couldn't afford them and he was British, not an immigrant.
Did anyone seriously think that they would - more crap from Labour .
I would like to have seen some of these hardworking, honest, qualified immigrants replace and compete with the last government (Labour) posts/positions. That would have brought the costs down, and made them more competitive. Then we could also replace town councillors with similiar cost effective units, that would have stopped Council Tax rising by much more than inflation! Well done Tony and Gordon for making us all realise that New Labours version of socialism was just a naive and expensive pipedream that has to be paid for, in the end!
I fail to understand why anyone thought that they MAY have been a benefit to the economy. All that's happened is that the NHS, schools and other institutions are now totally overwhelmed with the influx of people who have no particular right to be here, and who have little or no interest in our country anyway!
As an ex-pat, vehemently opposed to the EU on a nationalistic and ideological level I am still amazed that normal people in the UK seem blasé about the whole thing. When will the majority realise that the EU is not a good thing. It costs the British taxpayer a lot of money to be members, for no return. The negatives outweigh the benefits by many times over. You are all being scammed by Westminster and Brussels. If the UK has any decency and pride left, get out now.
That 0.38% will soon vanish once the benefits free for all fiasco starts for Eastern Europeans. Britain has now reached an impasse as far as immigration is concerned, the problem being compounded further by a weak, apathetic coalition unwilling to do anything about the ever increasing numbers. Soon, British taxpayers, who have already had enough, will start to leave the country in droves and the economic migrants along with our own home bred scroungers will put such a huge strain on the economy that the UK will eventually face a social and economic meltdown of catastrophic proportions.
and this comes as a suprise ,most of their earnings leave the country ,and the rest are on the social security.
How do you calculate for non working wives and children being a drain on resources ? You need to include these
This article is of no surprise - as the mass immigration from Eastern Europe was not only a very bad idea from your government but degrading to the UK citizens looking for a well paid job...Anyway, the Eastern Europeans etc.. send their money home to their families - It's their countries who wil benifit the most - but that's not a surprise either as the EU had this worked-out years ago...OUT OF EU NOW!!!!!
Tell us something we dont know already ! They contributed hardly anything because -most lived ten to a house spending very little on rent! Spent very little money in the shops or local economy -but saved it and sent most of it back to their families in Poland or wherever they hailed from! .The only people who benefitted were the big food stores (as they still had to buy food) the employers ,factory owners and farmers! Manwhile the British man who had his job taken by the east European man sits at home drawing welfare! No wonder we are currently in this bottomless pit of a financially mess!
Polititions finally relise what the rest of us knew 14years ago..
When is crap going to stop. we need to send this polish back then our own men canwork. its time we looked after our own. Mr. Cameron want to look after the British people, we are feeling let down by this so called government. all his promises were smoke screen he has lied every way. Its time we the British people stood up for their right, you would not see the French standing around and doing nothing. Mambo Marina - stafford
No work for a lot of UK citizens and also no training for 200,000 who could not get into uni this year. Could it be because there are 75-85,000 Chinese students in this country! I only have the figures for Chinese students but I know there are many of Indian, Pakastani, French, Greek etc, etc, etc, Time to emigrate!
In my opininion, the more Polish people who come to this country the better. They are polite, hardworking, tough and don't moan and whine like the locals (whose sense of entitlement defies belief) Oh, and the women are so much better looking and turned-out than the lazy, ugly trolls in my street. - Chris, London, 18/11/2010 Would have to agree with you Chris on your first point. I have had numerous small and large jobs needing doing in my home. I have lost track of the countless times I have left my details on a local (British) tradesmans phone, to either not get a call back, or an appointment is not kept, or they run late, or promise to send a qoute, and then you hear nothing. the odd occasion a job has been tackled, it ends up being bodged, and costing even more to repair I have gone back to my trusty east european worker, who is always on time, tackles any task, small or large, and does it to a very high standard, Sorry Brits You had your chance ansd you blew it!!
Many of the Polish girls working in cafes and restaurants in Scotland have my vote. They're motivated, hard working and can speak better English than the locals - mind you that's not difficult. As one Polish girl serves me and the missus our coffees at Costa some local lad is standing outside selling the Big Issue claiming he can't find a job. In Scotland, we have eastern europeans working on potato farms and berry farms while many Scots just prefer to go on the dole and blame 'the rich/the English/the Tories etc. for their troubles. These excuses are endorsed by left wing politicians. If I was an employer I might prefer the resourceful Polish to the local who has embraced victimhood.
The problem is that all Eastern Europeans will always be prepared to work for far less wages than existing U.K. residents, not because they possess any additional work ethos but because what they get paid is an excellent wage compared to what they would be paid in their own country. So when they return then what they have earned will enable them to live far more comfortably. In comparison, the pathetic wages now offered by British businesses will not allow the average British worker to rise much above the poverty line. No way was that pathetic under estimate by the government of how many Poles would enter the U.K. in the 1st year they were entitled to do so a genuine error. Anyone with half a brain would have anticipated a mass influx. The politicians are merely the servants of the banks and businessmen..and businessmen want cheap labour. Why do you think we are now negotiating with Turkey to join the E.U.?
The problem is that it's more lucrative to scrounge benefits and those who've discovered how to milk the system do just that. Polish plumbers still want to work despite this. It's all the others we should be worried about - loafing about watching satellite TV in paid for housing, popping out to their fully funded college courses when the children of taxpaying parents can't afford the fees, with council funded (Polish) nannies looking after their babies during the day at £8 ph, sprogging away without a care in the world because our taxes support their indolence. Hurry up David and Nick. I know there are too many holes to plug but you've got to be quick.
The majority of the Eastern Europeans work cash in hand, and if they can they also claim benefits. This is a fact that the powers that be try to hide. The taxpayer of the UK will eventually be so up to their necks in taxes trying to support this out dated welfare system, that we will sink into the sea under the weight of the problem. British people who have skills to offer are abandoning the UK in their droves. The UK in the future will just be a Country of Dreggs, wouldn't be surprised if eventually we are totally cut off from the rest of the world. As no one will want to trade with us, as we are also a refuge for the terrorists of the world, it seems from the news that we even allow terrorism to flourish within our state school system. The UK is doomed because we continue to elect goverments who see the EU as some sort of Utopia instead of the hell it actually is. Be very careful who you vote for next time, it may be your last chance to vote.
Govt. and business need to work together to ensure that jobs go first to British nationals. Is that so difficult to put in practice? Train our own young population to get ready to fill skill jobs. Govt. has to work harder to reduce immigration for British nationals to fill job vacancies hence reducing stress on welfare handouts. Companies can seek skilled migrants as long as they are prepared to pay for their needs and repatriation. Moreover there is no offer of British passport on the table. You will then find not many companies seeking to bring skill migrants to UK. There are solutions if there is a will.
Big business would rather bring people in from overseas than invest in training UK people themselves. Their claims that the skills are not available here is rubbish - they are responsible for this. They are not interested in training people up because UK workers would expect decent wages unlike those coming in from abroad who will do a skilled job for peanuts. Why and how are thousands of foreign workers being trained if there is no work for them in their own countries? Who is training them? It's stinks rotten and Vince Cable seems to have had a brain bypass since the election. It is also time for the government to start new training initiatives and schemes for getting people ready for work.
I do not agree Poles are taking jobs Britsh will not do !! they are taking all the construction jobs and are working in offices and banks...also I they have loud noisy conversations in their native tongue ,in the streets and on buses ..this is rude..at least people from India have the good manners to converse in English!
Anita, London, I doubt you would take these crappy jobs, were I work the cleaners work up to 12 hours a day have 3, 30 minutes break just get over minimum wage. People are rude to them and they have to deal with their filth. Some of them are British, some are not, they have to push around a trolley all day, after a few years they have back problems. They all want to leave, but who will employ them in a different career, cleaner is the kiss of death, they could try and study but then they are a cleaner with a qualification. A lot of employers for these crappy jobs would rather take foreigners, because they have a stronger work ethic, after all they came here to work and earn as much as possible. Those programs about white unemployed people turning up their noses at work, doesnÂ’t help either. My only complaint is so many have flooded the career I want to get into that I now have to do an expensive course and work for free to have a chance of getting my foot through the day.
This is good news for British workers.We employ teaboys too you know..
As Poland joined the EU and Poles were given access to our labour market, the Home Office assured Ministers that no more than 30,000 would come here. That was a slight underestimate, based on the number of Poles refused entry to the UK in the previous year. The Home Office did not factor in the deterrent effect of the immigration control that we then had. LetÂ’s hear it for the Home Office, folks!
Anita: Do you think Polish people would be happy, having made a good standard of living in their country, their government then opened the doors to people from other, less developed countries? Those people would then flood in and drive down the wages because they're happy to do anything for for half the wages and live ten to a room. That's what happened in Britain. As for the fabled Polish plumbers and electricians? Fine if you want hot water filling your toilet cistern and wall sockets melting when you plug something in. I prefer to use qualified British tradesmen, not clueless amateurs.
Cameron has let the core working class down badly.......and he will rue the day at the next election . Conservatives and LIbDems will be toast at the next election...that's if the country can take this sort of treatment that long.
It gets me when the Govt. and media say these Eastern Europeans are taking "low income" jobs:they are extremely high income jobs to them because their home country has a very low cost of living compared to the U.K. and if that is not unfair competition with our people then what is? Our politicians have got their brains in their backsides or are on the take :are they blind to the fact they are taking away our jobs,our houses ,our freedom,our democracy,our childrens birthright to live in the country for which their forfathers and parents have sacrificed their lives and sweated blood and toil to create? They have thrown down the gauntlet and the fight is now on.There will be only one winner :us.
No British Government, has ever been given Consent, either to join the EU, or to import Millions of Foreign Nationals.
Unless the Uk withdraws from the EU there is nothing we can do to stop these people coming here. Equally, how many Irish citizens have come seeking work in the UK since there economy crashed? Publish some figures Dave, if you dare. Dave and Tory Clegg haven't the bottle to remove us from the Eu or even have a referendum on the subject so there is little we can do. Oh, and when Turkey joins, as Dave wants, the floodgates will really open.
SEND THEM PACKING NOT FAIR ON US BRITS GET RID OF THEM NOW
British 20-30 year olds can be devided into two groups. the completely untrained, who expect to earn 2-3000 pounds a month doing labouring jobs, working 5 hours a day and with 8 weeks holiday. The second group are graduates with no job experience, virtually illiterate and with the idea that they should enter the working world as middle management with a 4 hour working day, 3 months holiday, a 5-10,000 monthly pay and an assistant to actually do their job. Is anyone surprised that hard working, highly qualified east europeans are taking the available jobs. This generation of gap year students are mostly unfitted and unwilling to work.
VOTE THE BNP IN NEXT TIME THEY WILL SORT OUT OUR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!
Neither the EU or uncontrolled immigration has been good for this country if our government won't protect us the only way will be riots and eventually a general strike. Roll on the revolution.
I agree with many of the comments about the Eastern Europeans being hard working and willing to take jobs we Brits don't want to do. However, If this government wants people off benefits and in work then there has to be the jobs and the will power to force the unemployed Brits into that work, no matter how menial. If many of the jobs are going to people outside of this country what chance do we have of achieving that. By all accounts we are supposed to be taking in 40% of the Indains coming to the UK. How does that work when we are far smaller both in size and economy and general infrastructure when compared to other EU contries, namely France and Germany. I'm starting to feel that the UK is either being PUNISHED for not whole heartedly going into the EU State and or we are being used as a DUMPING ground for the EU and its hair brained schemes.
Well from what I have seen many of the British workforce (usually male) want to be paid good money for doing sba and the infuriating thing about it is that many of these people work in companies subsidised by the taxpayer who may only be earning the minimum wage but have no say in the matter. Only this morning there are 2 reports of workers in car plants threatening to go on strike for more pay. Firemen, railway/tube workers, airport crew are notorious for striking at the busiest times of the year to cause the most inconvenience to people. Many workers in the NHS and local government spend more time off sick than they do at work. How often do you employ a plumber, builder, electrician etc and they actually do a good job at a reasonable rate? In my experience not very often. It is no wonder that employers will employ foreign workers is it?
"We need this contribution to our economy where we pay child allowance for migrant workers to send back to their overseas children" said government spokesman Piotr Wzinacsky, as he carried his plumbers tools into No 10.
good or british people...24 hrs...plumbing service....
scameron will never take us out of europe or will any of the others because the all belong to a group called the bilderbergers who have a vested interest in keeping us in ( read up about them ) were trapped and cannot do anyrhing about it I remain anonymous because I am frightened to reveal my true identity
so much for getting emplyment for our own people, they are on a loser.
people of this country dont seem to be allowed to even gain work skills let alone get jobs maybe in this day for taxes a special employment tax should be put on companies to pay to give locals work skills that are needed
I don't understand it when the politicions say that European workers comng here benefit the country. I reckon most of them send the money they earn back home to their families, and that includes and child benefit that they can claim while they are working here, so how does that benifit us, the wages they earn should be spent in the UK supporting local business and manufacturers.
Its about time we looked after our own and to hell with the foreign workers even if it means getting completely out of the EU so we can govern our country again.
Good to hear that there might be some reliable plumbers and builders I might be lucky enough to find in the not too distant future.
Another triumph for the Lib/Lab/Con party. Cameron the shameron all talk and no action.
the wages these migrant workers earn goes out of the country into their polish bank accounts. They dont spend it in our stores restaurants or theatres etc so boosting our economy and paying VAT. It is time we boycotted the employers who take them on, the British employers are to blame !!
Our government realises full well what's going on here. It's obvious that this situaton in utterly ludricrous and flies in the face of it's 'drive' to get people back to work. This being the case, one can only draw the conclusion that there's an ulterior motive somewhere. It seems to make no difference which of the main three parties is in power, nothing changes. After all, we're in the unique situation where all three have been in power. What is the REAL reason that hundreds of thousands of immigrants are allowed to come and go as they please, claim benefits from day one and generally bleed us dry? We badly need someone in infuence to take up the cause of the British people. Someone who won't cave in at the first whisper of that over-used, much abused word 'racism'. Someone with the strength of character to stand up to the EU and PC bigots and tell them that enough is enough. If someone does, they'll find that they have an avalanche of support.
The last government & this shower have said immigrants from the former Soviet Block would make enough money to set up a business at home then leave. Anyone with any sense knew it was a blatant lie. Labour wanted them because they thought they would say thank you by voting for them. The glib/dems/cons want them because cheap labour means more profit for business & more tax revenue for government. At the end of the day, along with international prestige, that's all any government cares about It's UKIP for me next time.
Poland is not the only Central & Eastern European country! Stop picking on Poles. Eight Central and Eastern European countries (Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia), plus the Mediterranean islands of Malta and Cyprus joined on 1 May 2004. Romania and Bulgaria joined in 2007
We may not like it - but at least these guys come to WORK not sponge! Perhaps - for every working immigrant we could swap one of our lazy dossers?
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country. - Lynda, Adelaide, South australia So it's ok for you to go between Australia and the UK to work but it's not ok for Polish people? Get real Lynda. I see so many anti-immigration comments from expats in Thailand, New Zealand, Australia and beyond...can you not see your hypocrisy?
Plumbing - a 'lower-income' job..............do me a favour - its £50 and hour minimum.
WHY UK....do this to they own peoples??In Italy...is a different matter...jobs for the locals...no priority to east EU....
And why not they can claim for invisible kids?
Where/how are they finding these jobs? Where are the job ads? I can only think the jobs are being advertised abroad - they certainly aren't advertised here. I work in local govt and there's a good chance I'll lose my job. I am constantly looking at job sites and in the papers - yes, there are a few jobs, but if you look on, say, Reed.co.uk, the jobs have in excess of 100 applicants within a couple of days of them being listed. Having had previous experience of agencies, most of these so called jobs have already gone, but have not been deleted from the websites. TBH, I just despair of this country. Things cannot go on this way... before long half the indigenous population with be unemployed and there will be civil war. Why our glorious leaders cant see this is beyond me. I guess it doesnt affect them as most of them are multi millionaires anyway or landed gentry.
I'd employ a Polish builder over a British one any day of the week. Do I want a hardworking person who will do a good job for a reasonable price or do I want a tea-drinking good-for-nothing workshy person who will do a crap job and try to charge me extortionate prices? Wow, so hard to choose.
GET OUT OF EUROPE NOW and close the borders to immigrants from anywhere in the world. Carrot pickers, plumbers, pick pockets, drug runners, pimps, forgers, metail thieves, identity fraudsters, terrorists, muggers and murderers etc are NOT NEEDED. Even immigrants like NHS nurses, carers, hospital porters and cleaners, pizza delivery drivers, call operators, petrol pump staff etc COULD be fulfilled from trained up British unemployed. It is madness to rely on cheap, foreign labour when our own people are entitled to do the work which IS out there. Benefits should be adjusted so it is better for our unemployed to do that work.
Is Labour still in power then ?
this is how it looks dole for brits. cheap labour for the bosses. time to stop all these people coming in.
Its all about cheap and highly subsidised labour at the manual level for the Businesses, nothing more. This is the Tories. They will pay to keep people out of work as long as the businesses can get cheap workers without any rights whatsoever. They win, tax payers loose. Normal Tories.
The whole situation is a farce. It makes no sense whatsoever to have millions of people on the dole but at the same time fill what jobs there are with foreign labour. Who is actually paying them less than the minimum wage as that is surely illegal!!!! Government and business need to come together so that is more economical to employ a British National. I am not a racist but this country does not have the infrastructure to support all these people. This country is slowly being strangled by these stupid EU policies.
I guess I should not be angry at the Brits, but I am. Most of the time the Polish or any other Eastern European people take the job which is snubbed by the Brits. They are too posh to take the crappy jobs and that is what the foreigners are taking. Shame on them to even writing an article about it!!!!!!!
I understand Dave's "Big Society" now. Emigrants get all the jobs at minimum wages (or less!). British unemployed taxpayers pick up litter for £1 an hour and £65 from the State. Great for employers!
Instead of moaning you should all be grateful that there are hard-working, tax-paying people willing to do the jobs native born parasitic dole scum refuse to but then it is always easy to blame outsiders than see the problems in our own society.
If you can't read Polish, don't go shopping in Didcot, Oxfordshire because several of the large chain shops (e.g. Tesco) have altered their credit/debit card machines to display Polish, leaving the English-speaking shopper up in the air. Same with cameras and electronic stuff in the new Co-op - try a digital camera, select the menu and you will find it is in Polish. Ask for it to be turned back into English and you meet refusal. What the heck is going on in this England of ours?
In my opininion, the more Polish people who come to this country the better. They are polite, hardworking, tough and don't moan and whine like the locals (whose sense of entitlement defies belief) Oh, and the women are so much better looking and turned-out than the lazy, ugly trolls in my street.
The only thing our politicians excel at is, treachery of the British people.
This is what happens and will continue to happen when there are very low welfare payments in Poland and very high welfare payments in the UK
So when the better trained Poles come over to compete with our workers who are untrained because our companies can avoid paying for it...what do we do eh Dave? That`s right we cut training and call our workers lazy!
Re. Kenny of Notts comment - more a case, I would suggest, of the same 100,000 under -educated, work-shy members of the unemployable demographic who'd sooner sponge off the state than go out and earn a day's pay, remaining as they were. Don't fool yourself into thinking that this green and pleasant land has been somehow tarnished by the sweat and toil of others when the term 'Broken Britain', Europe's highest teenage pregnancy rate, ever-increasing gun crime and an emdemic drug problems make for unpalatable statistics that drown out the pomp and ceremony of Britain's self-perceived former colonial glory . I'm very proud of being British, and equally proud of my wife being Polish, but don't pretend to think that the British attitude and mentality towards hard graft are anyting to hold up as an example to others, or that our economy is blighted by a foreign work force. Remember who you are, what you are and what you've been a part of since 1973.
and it doesn't help that loads of our factories are shutting up shop here after setting up production lines in eastern europe and forcing our workers to train the eastern europeans...
Now if only Stanislav, the young Polish plumber would come back! He is sorely missed!
lets see if the people who are loosing public secter jobs are as silent this time round now that its them competing for the few low paid jobs out there.. i predict a riot
And the mindless mentalists who think its good for the economy are? You guessed it. The suits in Whitehall. The unemployed British working class are angry.Very angry.Many people are being made redundant only to see there jobs replaced by a foreign agency worker two weeks later.( Me included ) Certain members of the establishment should read there public school history books again and see what happend to the last lot who said if there is no bread then let them eat cake.
Who cares? It doesn't affect me. A lot of angry comments from people who can't write a sentence correctly and we argue that these foreigners don't know the language! I guess these uneducated people are the ones working in these low-end jobs. Should have worked harder in school and university instead of doing manual labour. Tough luck!
if you go into any manufacturing company they are all EU citizens no english because they will work long hours with out complaint, if the company want to make any changes to working conditions they do and tell the workers like it or lump it you know where the door is, they can work for less money because there are 6 people or more to a house, so the english have no chance of getting any job even if they could afford too. when is a party going to stand up for our rights and not non english peole.
gdb, bangkok thailand, 18/11/2010 01:46 Why not put your skills to work helping your own country? just a thought.
There is little comment on how migrant workers are giving work to their own people, not making the jobs available on the open jobs market. I often am amazed by how, in certain places - eg. chain stores, not only how poor the ability of English is, but that there is a common (eastern european or asian) language amongst the staff. With such limited language skills, how can they even manage to apply for jobs here without considerable help from their own communities?
Economy must be turning around !! Still puzzles me why I have no desire to go to Poland.
It seems that indigenous Brits no longer work in catering . When I visited England in June I only heard Eastern European accents among the staff in pubs and restaurants .
Poland is not the only Central & Eastern European country! Stop picking on Poles. Eight Central and Eastern European countries (Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia), plus the Mediterranean islands of Malta and Cyprus joined on 1 May 2004. Romania and Bulgaria joined in 2007
Turn the lot round and send them home.
The Tories love all this cheap Labour comeing in.Cuts thier wages bill by half. Cameron is looking after the bosses,then there's the Turks comeing soon.Thank you Mr Cameron.for getting us into the EU.
"Polish plumbers return: Number of migrant workers from East Europe hits new high" Was there any need? Should have told George they're short of £7 Billion and he'd have writen the cheque tout suit. I take it Poles can reclaim airfares? Clearly they didn't hear we no longer hire Brits OR europeans. Indians are cheaper and why offshore when Brussells can ship them in legally now. Personally, as an intelligent, educated and once-skilled British person, its so long since I had a well paid job, I don't care anymore. But, I predict a riot when the Polish realise that the UK Government and the EU have sold them out!
As we voted for these politicians it is getting to a stage were the offer of a resettlement grant to a country run by sane people would be the polite thing to do for people that consider themselves indigenous to Britain. At least then there would be room for as many immigrants that could be safely fit onto this island without of course having to knock down the security railings around 10 Downing street.
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country. - Lynda, Adelaide So.............you freely admit that as an Australian national , you were working in the UK taking a job off a British Citizen. I assume now that your husband (a British Citizen) is now working in Australia taking the job off an Australian Citizen? Your hypocrisy is astounding.
stop the damn immigaration and train our workers properly instead of opting for the cheap labour from abroad and then we might get somewhere. But, as usual our so called conlib pact take the easy route and ignore it spo typical of these conmen.
Why on earth are we importing yet more non-EU workers when we have so much native unemployment? At the moment, our hands are tied by the EU with respect to European workers, but surely we should just halt ALL non-EU immigration? This country has gone down the pan.
When we were working in the UK in 2002, my husband (a British citizen) was sacked because the boss could get Eastern European workers to work for half the price (but they produced low quality work). My husband wasn't the only one to be sacked for this reason. Something needs to be done to pull in these employers who have no thought for anything but profit and care nothing for the UK as a whole. They are the ones who are pulling down the country.
Well I guess that's going to be another 100,000 British people out of work.
I answer internet advertised vacancies every day --------Nothing I used to write letters and send my C.V by post before computers -------Nothing I will be on the computer - Bills are paid for by my Girl Friend - answering advertised jobs - I live in Hope If I come back to the UK - do you think I will be able to find a job that will pay me the national average wage ? Before I left UK for my last contract I tried for 13 months to find work that would pay me the national average got nothing - I couldnt find any work that would have paid the rent and my bills. I got 42 gbp total per week in benefit I got nothing for my rent. All these stories I read where people are better off claiming unemployment it certainly never came my way I am hopin for an offer of work paying the national average wage so that I can come home and live near my family and to eventually die - I dont want to die abroad - I am 62 years old - Any offers - I am medically fit - I have a UK Passport & Driving License
Grayling spouted: "We have to get our labour force ready for the recovery and our benefit claimants ready for the workplace". Really? What workplace? Oh! silly me! The UK workplace, where there are at least ten foreigners queueing for every job vacancy and the estimated five million claiming out of work benefits will continue to claim out of work benefits until the cows come home and whatever Grayling spouts is pure spin and waffle and he knows it.
Bleeding us dry !!!!
no comments on this so far, why? I'am betting there are plenty of people out there now, that wished they had voted for a true british party instead of the weak willed mish mash we got landed with, sooner the EU breaks up the better, better still DAVE show us you have some of what most of us men have and get us out now ,
The government cannot afford the present population of today and an increacing and expanding socially dependent immigrant population will be more than challenging.
And those who come here are having more kids and they are insisting that we change everything to suit them. We are in a mess and it will take someone very courageous to take drastic action - but we have nobody courageous leading us at the moment. We voted the Conservatives in to deal with this and they are betraying us. And silly human rights laws from the EU worsen the problem. We need a leader with the boldness to speak out now or we'll soon be watching the demise of this nation and its previously peaceful nature.
Yes, we did know, thank's for reminding us; but, what are you going to do about it?
There may be very little the government can do to curb EU migrants Anne, Athens, 26/5/2011 20:18 Oh yes there is ! Vote this lot out and Vote UKIP in. At the very least we should be shouting from the very rooftops for a referendum on EU membership.
Get a grip, who cares, does anyone anymore, nearly everything you look at in the U.K. is rubbish, failed by poor management, poor education, no work ethic, no standards and in the main no guts. All assisted by self important politicians who have never done anything except milk the system and talk to each other at smart dinner parties and in the media. And what happens, protests, marches, anger, no just talk talk talk. The U.K. is on the way out, washed up and broke. Keep going Dave, you may think it's a privilege to lead the British people, there is a huge population out there who are not going to be conned by you a second time. And we thought B.Liar and Brown were bad, Britain ruined on the playing fields of, well, we all know where!
Sorry but why cant they do anything how can France/Italy/Denmark etc stop it.What a bunch of limp wristed people we are. Is there something I dont know about this is there some sort of master plan , because I and i know everyone I talk to young old educated not educated just wish it to stop. - hugh thompson, newcastle england, 26/5/2011 17:24 - Yes there is a master plan. It's not just imcompetance. It's all part of a design. Research the words new world order. Immigration will continue, so the british society is weak and have no nationalistic pride any more. This way we can no longer provide coherent resistance to the NWO plans. Don't believe me? Research it!
This is the exact reason that come August I am emigrating to New Zealand, a country which has stringent immigration rules and welcomes those whom will benefit their society, rather than open their doors to those whom are only here to sponge off of us.
The UK is a small island compared to a lot of European countries, how many more people can the island support, well NONE really. Immigration HAS GOT TO BE BROUGHT UNDER CONTROL. Mr Green please do something about it. The UK MUST be made more unattractive to would be Immigrants. No Free Housing. No Free Health care until 5 years NI paid. No Benefits as above. If UK nationals go abroad they are expected to support themselves, in fact it is a requirement to stay in a lot of cases.
Where is all the tough talk about immigration now, this government is just as toothless as the last one.
The government are doing a great job aren't they!
This isn't immigration it's invasion. We desperately need proper governance, the clowns we have now aren't fit for purpose.
its no good now complaining that the left liberal marxists have given our country away by letting uncontrolled mass immigration take place,we as a nation stood by and watched this massive demographic change happen without a peep,we deserve now the social unrest taking place,once again we are all to blame for what ted heath started to the present treasonous ministers who made these policies and the uks population lazy idle efforts in stopping them,its all to late now to start bleating !! so get on with it,you had your chance and blew it just by continuing to vote for the same parties and same policies the one bloke who stood up and told us was thrown out by the tories, this blogg will not be posted
They have known this for ages,these are figures based on those we know about,nothing will change,I voted for Cameron and he has done nothing about this problem as they supposedly enrich our society.
Damian Green says immigration is out of control. Well Damian, we the people of the UK, know that, and have been telling you lot that for years. But, aren't you the man in charge of immigration? If you are, and immigration is out of control, you are obviously the wrong man for the job as you are supposed to control it. You are not, as you politicians like to say, 'suitable for purpose', or as real people would say, 'not up to the job'. Time to move on, mate. Probably be a reshuffle soon anyway, and you'll be moved on to Education, Transport, or some other department you're not capable of running.
Listen people.....you can write and say what you want. No one is listening to you. The British electorate are all turkeys voting for Christmas. The only way this will change is to elect a party with the interests of the British people at heart. We have no party in Westminster of that ilk. When will the electorate wake up to discover that the MPs they voted in are all self serving, liars, cheats and scoundrels. They all maintain a squeaky clean image until they are caught and outed for what they really are. They are the destroyers of peoples and democracy.
Why can't we have the same rules as America, Australia etc. Stop all immigration unless they can pay their own way, have no criminal records, or really can do a job that no-one here can. Most of our financial problems would be eased if we didn't have this constant drain on our resources.
i could have told them that,.....i live in what was a middle class white street not far from manchester,.....there are 40+ houses and over half are from other countries, in one house...(3 bed, 1960,s house) there are 16 people living there, the mess is disgusting, and most of them dont work, i go out in the morning, school run then work, i really dont know why i bother sometimes, the family who live accross from me are going away AGAIN today and they dont work, wish i could afford to take my kids away to the sun on holiday,................somethings wrong somewhere.
Everyone on here says the same every story about immigration, and yet the choices to vote are limited, mainstream or radical right wing, in my recent local election I had the choice of labour or liberal, we need a party not as radical as BNP but more radical than the conservatives, if this is UKIP then lets all join this party and push it the faces of our friends and colleagues, if its not then lets start one and begin to save this country.
Well the govt should impose an annual limit on people entering BOTH from outside the EU and from within the EU. only then can this problem be solved. As the article says that immigration from Eastern Europe has soared, so there sohuld be an annual limit on it aso.
Hi johnrs67 Its the E.U that is causing the problem, Migration from Eastern Europe is back up again after falling in 2009. David Cameron must use the Finnish approach Finnish jobs for Finnish workers only
Well get it UNDER control, then. . That's what we elected you to do.
This is ridiculous. For how long have we been saying immigration levels are too high, and they didn't listen. It needs to stop and needs to stop now. It will be the native Brits that suffer in the long run. I have never voted BNP but from now on that's where I'll be voting. I've just had enough of being taken for a idiot.
So the great Social engineering project continues - Take a once proud Nation grind them into the ground, water down National identity - Hey presto the EU 'Citizen' . The major floor in this plan is the British are a tolerant people to a point, but when it kicks off there will be no stopping it.
We could get rid of the riff raff for a start and the cut back on the benefit system. Perhaps a few would leave volontarily and others would be deterred.
I accept that it will take time, but start the clamp down and let us see results. Start by deporting failures at once. No public money for appeals. No case, deport and no hanging about, send them straight back. No documents. send them back to the country they came to Britain from, there is a war there?, tough, go fight for the freedom you want, stop stealing ours.
Yes, with the culture of native Brits who're leaving replaced by that of the incomers - - a fact that is totally ignored by these people, concerned at best with just figures. - David Thomson, Driffield, UK, 26/5/2011 I'm not sure why you've been red-arrowed for a perfectly reasonable comment but I, at least, agree with you.
And we all wonder why the country is 'broke' ...
Why do they even bother to mention it ? Nothing will change , no one has the guts ! Stick to bullying the sick and the unemployed !
Maybe our troops are protecting the wrong country! I know someone who would stop immigration!
Whatever party is in charge its talk talk talk but nothing changes and it wont in the future because of our liberal lefty three main parties obsessed with political correctness.
Don't worry the measures to reduce immigration are already in place; slow growth, falling living standards, inflation out of control, rising unemployment. Give the ConDems another two years and we will ALL be queuing up to get out!
will the land have to sink below the sea with the weight before they realise we are full
They had better do something and fast - we do not have the resources to cover all these people. They are going to break this country and we will all end up living in a "third world" existence. Once our land has been eaten up in housing and all that goes with it - electricity, water, waste disposal etc - not to mention all the social services and health needs, the country is just too small. Politicians seem reluctant to find a result - perhaps we should have our soldiers back here to patrol our borders.
What an absolute shambles! I cannot think of a single politician in the House of Commons, currently or at any time during the last thirteen years, that is up to the job and has the wit, didication or vision to steer this Country in the right direction.
orry but why cant they do anything how can France/Italy/Denmark etc stop it.What a bunch of limp wristed people we are. Is there something I dont know about this is there some sort of master plan , because I and i know everyone I talk to young old educated not educated just wish it to stop. - hugh thompson, newcastle england, 26/5/2011 17:24 IT'S NOT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIMP WRISTED. IT'S OUR PATHETIC MP'S. STOP VOTING FOR THESE IDIOTS.
TALK, TALK, TALK. WHERE'S THE ACTION DAVE?
Will a copy of the ONS docuement be passed on to Cameron and Co, or will it be hidden away like all the rest.
come on guys start working together no national insurance numbers no medical care with out proof and no benifits and start by sacking all the left behind librels
Stop talking about it and just shut the door NOW. If the EU is already thinking about closing their own borders because of the North African problems then we can easily shut ours without having to get permission from the EU.
'there is very little that politicians can do to stop EU migrants' Oh, but there is something they can do about it, very simply put, Get Us Out Of The EU. Surely it can't be that hard to understand that this is what the majority of the people keep asking for, time for a referendum I think!
I don't know why we don't leave the EU. It costs us billions in handouts which are fraudulently misused, we have laws not passed through our courts but we have to abide by them, we have the Human Rights Charter courtesy of Mrs Blair which sees our fat cat lawyers getting richer through nonsense applications (prisoners saying human rights abused as not free to bring up children?!!) and now we have to foot an extra £65 million as Portugal & Greece are struggling to pay its debt back from what it has just borrowed.
Sorry Mr Green whatever you decide is going to be too little too late, the gates are firmly wedged open
What a difference it makes when you are no longer in opposition, but are in a position to carry out your pre-election promises. Actions speak louder than words - but not in this case.
Immigration has been out of control for years. Continuing to vote for the Lib / Lab / Con and expecting anything to change is utter stupidty.
GET YOUR FINGER OUT THEN AND STOP THEM TOMORROW.
Don't just talk about it Damien Green, do something about it!!! It's the migrants from the EU, that are the problem. Time to stop it like the French are doing. Give us a referendum,,,, that'll definitely do something about it.,, not the talk and waffle that comes from politicians.
SIMPLE ANSWER NO BENEFITS AND STUFF THE EU/
Just shut the door and have a re-think. If the rest of the EU are worried they can all go there
Enough said, we need to be out of the EU now and while we are at it get rid of the Human rights act.
Coalition: get a grip and sort this out quickly... EU or not.
Still they come-still they come-still they come.....
WHEN is a government going to deal with this? What do we have to do to get our country back? Damian Green, along with Cameron has turned out to be one huge disappointment. All the rhetoric and promises we heard prior to the election have counted for nothing. I despair.
Labours social engineering experiment continues today, making sure that labour voters keep flooding into this small country, ensuring that the party will be next in power for decades to come, God help us. The minister says he wants to slow it, I ask exactly how, as any move he makes will be blocked by the Eurocrats in Planet Strassburgh. We are no longer the managers of our present and future, we are subservient to masters in far away places.
and that's only the ones we know about.
The issue about emigration is perhaps a white elephant, many native British people who go to work abroad for various reasons. will presumably want to return to this country at some point. Why should anyone assume that they will be staying away permanently? Or perhaps they will not be welcome back? Who knows, the madness of immigration in this country knows no bounds and the net migration / emigration concept is completely flawed as it is based on knowing nothing about anyone (or anything).
It was out of control when you won the election & still it is now a year later & what have you done to bring back under our control? A big fat sod all!
Lets start by stopping benefits for none eu,then for eu peoples send the bill for benefits received to the persons home country for a full refund.Then lets give jobs to british workers first then any that are left to eu residents
CAMERON - GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!!!!
So much for all the clap trap of this government,,,,,,,!!!!!!!!!!
Damien Green keeps saying he is consulting on new controls. He's been consulting for a year. When for goodness sake is he going to get a grip and actually do something?
Mr. Green, There is a very simple solution. Give us the electorate a Referendum on membership of the EU and if we say OUT then go back to the original Free Trade Agreement that was implemented and nothing else, not the "Superstate" it has become. Say bye bye to every EU national who is claiming unemployment benefits unless paid in for a minimum of 10 years and send them home,every EU prisoner with a sentence of more than 12 months to be automatically deported back home as the EU is a "safe" place.No automatic right to benefits for EU natrionals as per like other EU nations do. No EU criminals allowed here to hide,run a scheme such as the Americans have with pre-checks before entry and followed up with fingerprint and Iris scans for everyone entering our border regardless of age. "Asylum" law should be strictly adhered to by "First Safe or Nuteral Border" as required,not 5-6 countries later. This should bring a good start to reducing the numbers wanting to come here.
Two pints into a one pint glass won't go.
It is time to put it bluntly. We get nothing but lies about this matter. Immigration has been and remains out of control Mr. Green. Where have you been for the last seven years Mr. Green. In fact for all the good you are likely to be you may as well go back to wherever you were hiding. We don't need platitudes Mr. Green, we need decisive action which must include telling the EU that enough is enough. And enough of that dross about needing lots of talented and skilled individuals here. We have that already and we can't employ them. We can't employ university graduates or school leavers and all we get are lies and its synonym statistics. You are havering Mr. Green and while you haver, the country gets a bigger and bigger burden of economic migrants and n'ere-do-wells sapping the benefits system and the overburdened NHS which you want to reform in the most tendentious manner. What fun when Serbia and Turkey et al get to join the EU. Where they gonna go to - Great Britain.
Get out of the EU, close the borders and deport all those not entitled to be here !
Easy answer. STOP dole money now and watch them leave in droves and an added bonus will be our lazy will then have to work! Now why didn't I think of that?
We know ------------------------DO SOMETHING.
When is this going to be stopped? Why can we not withhold benefits like other countries so they don't want to stop here? Enough is enough. This HAS to stop!
The chap in the top picture like many others are paid to do what exactly? It seems it wouldn't make any difference if he was sat there or not! Border and Immigration Agency, what a JOKE!!!
This will end in tears ! Are you really listening Cameron ?
This is the elephant in the room. We have NO control over our borders and anyone, from anywhere in the EU can come here, knock on the council's door and claim benefits and accomodation. If ever there was the need to get us out of the EU this is it. But our politicians won't do it. What treacherous Ted Heath started they will continue until all trace of this country has been consumed by the EU, and we are all brussels worshiping euro-drones.
If all benefits, including NHS were not availabe until an immigran had lived and WORKED HERE for 5 years, minimum, you would see the flow stop!
Why are we giving our country away? Did we lose a war or something?
Nothing to do with all of the agreements signed by Magaret Thatcher then?
the only way to get britain back british is vote british national party ...wake up people......
The only way the British people will stop this madness,is by a revolution,their is no other way,its our only chance to take our nation back..it will happen,but what will spark it i do not know,the government don't care about us,they never have,revolt people,its all we have left.the future of this country belongs to the brave...those brave enough to stand up and be counted and those brave enough to destroy the traitors who are wrecking our once great nation.
THERE IS SOMETHING THE COALITION CAN DO.........GET US OUT OF THE EU!!!!!!!
The government should put a cap for people coming from abroad to work. It is already very hard to get a job nowadays. We already have recession. More migrants means fewer jobs for people living in UK.
Time to close the door Mr Cameron and LISTEN to the people!!!!!
the answer is: get out of the EU but then we need a government with real b.... to do this
HOW MANY TIMES TO WE ALL HAVE TO SAY NO!
GET IT SORTED YOU USELESS IDIOTS
PROMISES, PROMISES..... THAT'S ALL WE GET!
"Despite the coalition pledging a cap on the number of migrants coming to the UK from outside the EU, there is very little that politicians can do to stop EU migrants". There lies the problem and further proof we are NOT a democracy. In fact, it could be argued that we don't exist as a country anymore, seeing as we have no UK borders, just EU borders
Of course immigration is out of control. As far as the EU is concerned, there is no such thing as 'immigratiion' between member states, and if they had their way there would be no borders either. The only way we can save ourselves from disappearing as a nation is to reform the welfare state to make our country less attractive to EU economic migrants, and get the hell out of the EU .
These figures are crazy. Don't talk about doing something Mr Green. Do it. You could stop student visas overnight. Further you could go to the EU and either change the rules on migration or get your party to think radically. We don't want net migration we want none. Our right to exist and our culture cannot take 2000000 plus more people every 10 years! Think about leaving the monster EU and we could save £10 billion net. Further you could change the rules about arranged marriages and family ties. We don't want the world here. Change the benefits and rights to receive public services. Charge them like other countries. No benefits and services until they have been here 10 years or they get insurances or they are charged for them as well. Not free schools, health, housing etc etc.
Come on you Tories. You have been in power for a year so let's hear what you have you done about immigration. I'll save you the trouble - precisely nothing. Too terrified of a kicking from your fat cat sponsors if you do the slightest thing to choke off their supply of lovely cheap labour.
"Despite the coalition pledging a cap on the number of migrants coming to the UK from outside the EU, there is very little that politicians can do to stop EU migrants". Yes there is GET US OUT OF THE EUSSR !!!, give the people of this country a referendum, stop ignoring us and treating us like imbeciles.
Stop making it easy for people coming into this country, do persons checks,criminality checks, health checks. then make sure they have a place to live and money as do the Aussies.
Highly skilled leaving and low skilled arriving
When are the powers that be going to listen to the public? We are full, we have no room, we can't take anymore!
So its the last governments fault is it. Stop shirking. You are the goverment now. Take responsibility. We've had enough of lily-livered politicians
Why is this allowed when there are so many people unemployed already? What are they people doing for employment - or are they are going onto benefits.
This all goes to show that sadly, very little can actually be done to restrict immigration . . . The UK can not restrict EU immigration, imagine what will happen in 2 years when restrictions on Romanians and Bulgarians lapse !!! The UK can not withdraw from the EU, seeing that there was a referendum on AV first, which many people weren't concerned about, just shows how much politicians are out of touch with voters and their wishes. The UK can not restrict non-EU work permits, the pro-immigration lobbies will put up a massive fight and all the big banks and companies will threaten to leave. The UK can not restrict student visas, every single educational institution across the the land will do everything in their power to stop this from happening. As much as I want to believe that the Coalition will actually get a handle on this situation as they have promised, I doubt that anything will happen, well one thing might, immigration will only increase !!!
May god help my grandchildren and god damn Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, and all their English hating cronies who have destroyed our country.
Immigration 'Out of Control"? nothing new there is it? what an absolute laughing stock that the UK has a "Border Agency" What border???????
The goverment can still do things to prevent mass immigration. Stop giving access to benefits/housing etc until someone becomes a National through the correct procedure. Cap the number of student places offered to foreigners, Cap the number of jobs offered to foreigners, charge all non citizens for all health care then we'll see how popular Britain remains. Asylum seeker numbers should also be capped. Does nobody in goverment realise just how small this country is?
If these immigration figures are BEFORE the recent lifting of the ban on full and immediate benefits for all EU arrivals, then what is it going to be this year and next, now that everybody in the EU can turn up and apply for a full benefits ride? It's mind boggling! How many thousands from the EU have already made their way to a UK benefits office from the farflung EU hinterlands since the ban lifted this month? I bet the benefits offices are absolutely being deluged. I bet these figures this time next year will be increasing tenfold. How is the UK going to cope?
If the numbers coming in continue then there is only going to be one outcome I'm afraid and that is the end of the welfare state in the UK. No benefits whatsoever, if you haven't got a job you will either have to depend on charity or starve.
We need out of the abominable EU and to re-establish our own strict border controls NOW. Our woeful, totally unrepresentative policians, who are so ready to pose about on the world stage, have betrayed this nation in a way never previously seen. I don't know about expenses, they should be imprisoned for treason.
Hearing things like this, I sometimes wonder if there is some secret group of people above all governments that are paying the UK to commit suicide as an experiment to see how not to push social boundaries.
'there is very little that politicians can do to stop EU migrants' - actually there is a LOT they can do, but they won't!
No Government is to blame -it's the EU who bullies them into complying with it
How do you ever conquer unemployment and reduce overall benefit claims, simple answer if you not a brainless MP
"---- there is very little that politicians can do to stop EU migrants.". Oh yes there is - get out of the EU!!!!!!!
Lets take a look at countries like australia and new zealand for some inspiration on this issue.
SIMPLE SOLUTION - Leave the EU, 5 year freeze on immigration for permanent settlers, visa's issued for work/holiday purposes for people from abroad, return those who are here illegally, including criminals, take back control of our borders, oh yes I'm taking this from the UKIP manifesto and they mean it. Vote UKIP and get our country back! The others won't do a thing they want this country reduced to a third world for the EU.
stop the benefits and you will stop the tide of immigrants (even the ones from the EU) easy really
"Despite the coalition pledging a cap on the number of migrants coming to the UK from outside the EU, ....." Yes Cameron did say there would be a cap on migrants but I assume, being the wimp he is, he shelved it when prime idiot Nick Clegg said there hadn't been any such agreement when they formed the coalition! As for there being "very little that politician can do to stop EU migrants" - how about letting the public decide by giving us the promised vote of staying in or out of the corrupt EU.
YES, WE HAVE MUCH TO THANK 13 YEARS OF MANIACS IN CHARGE !
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT THEN! Nah did not think so, just talk about it as usual. Never mind it;s too late now anyway! Politicians, all talk no action - pathetic
Didn't the politicians say 50,000 tops ( and that would be 50,000 too many ) ? It seems they are compulsive liars and anti-democratic when it comes to migration.
Stop chain immigration and immigration via marriage. That will cut immigration by tens of thousands every year.
Oh the joys of being in the EU!
Stuff Europe and do something about it NOW. We can't afford them.
Yes Damien....promises, promises, promises....all we ever get.
It must be obvious to everyone by now that the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats have no more intention of controlling immigration than did the last Labour government. All the main parties appear to accept mass immigration as something to be welcomed and are ignoring the enormous stresses and strains it puts on the fabric of society.
The reality is we need a complete moratorium on immigration until we can sort out the neglect of the last ten years.
This is a disgrace and should result in a revolt. Cameron's pledges to cut immigration are totally meaningless as anyone from within the EU can just walk in here and take our jobs and social housing. This fast fading nation is overcrowded as it is and unless we get back control of our borders by leaving the EU there is going to be real trouble in the coming years
When are the government going to do something about this. More broken promises? Why do we not have entry regulations that are enforced
Sorry but why cant they do anything how can France/Italy/Denmark etc stop it.What a bunch of limp wristed people we are. Is there something I dont know about this is there some sort of master plan , because I and i know everyone I talk to young old educated not educated just wish it to stop.
Until the UK controls immigration from WITHIN the EU, even if that means withdrawing, the problems will continue. Other nations within the EU seem to be able to manipulate the rules in order to prevent the level of problems here. One way to regulate from within the EU is to do as the French do and only accept the rules which they WISH to accept, deny the automatic right to benefits (by which I mean the child benefit, housing benefits, working credits etc) to ANYONE who has not contributed to the system for at least five years. At present some coming from within the EU are provided with housing, bring in their fellow-countrymen, charging them rent (paid by us)and use this to pay their own whilst saving to build houses in their homelands, to which they return after milking our system. I have seen social housing allocated to a family where the family goes "home", leaving the house to be sub-let by them to groups of single young men at vast profit.
"It is perfectly possible that a decline in long-term migration could be accompanied by an increase in short-term migration, which may lead to flat, or even faster, growth in the migrant population." Yes, with the culture of native Brits who're leaving replaced by that of the incomers - - a fact that is totally ignored by these people, concerned at best with just figures.
YAWN can you turn the record over. Nobody really cares anymore, otherwise there would be protest marches by now from suffering students and the unemployed. Notice how come no protest march over the demand for Referendum to get us out of Euroland. Bunkum Narda Zip Zero Naught.
Every day we hear this more and more. Every time we hear Damian Green say it was Labours fault. Damian JUST SHUT THE DOOR! Deal with overseas applications OVERSEAS not here! Ask the French if you can set up a Border Patrol in Calais and Iris scan/fingerprint all of them. Do something PLEASE!!!!
Immigration Minister Damian Green, yet another minister who is all rhetoric and little action. The Coalition have celebrated their first year in office so have had plenty of time to at least start to curb the overwhelming numbers coming into the UK be they legal or illegal. Instead of reducing the Border Agency they should be doubling it then some headway might be made. The Border Agency detain people who are then released by the police and disappear instead of being held and deported within a month maximum.
The Tories are no different to Labour: they want high immigration to keep wages low, workers weak and their mates in business circles happy.
"Immigrants to the back of the housing queue: Coalition tells councils to give local people priority........." THIS week...................
Why has it taken so long for our politicians to come to their senses. No wonder there are so many of our adult children still living at home. Now lets get rid of the health & safety laws that stop children being children. I climbed trees, played with conkers and swung on ropes over streams without any injuries. Its time to give children back their childhood
From next year migrants will be able to claim benefits etc after 3 months. I wonder if the coalition will do anything to stop that? I doubt it. I trust them as much as I trusted Bliar.
Believe when I see it. Don't believe the date if a politician tells you!!
Excellent. About time. Local people should ALWAYS be given priority - that's how it works in most other countries too. I also resent having to support the expanding families of the unemployed, but that is a completely different story!
This family in the picture wants more bedrooms? By the looks like she can't look after the house she's got let alone get a bigger house..... Fed up of seeing people on benefits with scruffy houses they do not work so have all the time in the world to clean. - Jayne, Swansea, 30/8/2010 13:51 There are people who work that have scruffy houses as well, so don't think that if you are a benefits claimant that it automatically means you are scruffy.
Most countries of the world have a really simple system: if you're a member of the indigenous majority race, you're at the front of the queue for everything, as a birthright. Perhaps the UK could do the same thing? Then there would be no argument, and the country might not go up in flames someday soon...
Shall we all cut out and frame this article to see if all this ACTUALLY happens ? What on earth has gone wrong with the UK ? Why should jobless immigrants of ANY nationality be given a UK council house to live in ? It doesn't happen over her I can tell you. I think the parable of the horse and the open gate applies.
Um... Local connections are already taken into account when assessing housing applications and they have been for years. I used to be a housing officer and it has always been practice for us to establish connection to the local area, family, work, school etc. I have no idea why this is being touted as something new?
The Housing Minister said: "Councils will still have to give priority to the homeless and people with families". As most immigrants belong to those categories - NOTHING will change!!!
About time!!!! Local people for local housing and schools, the BRITISH should take priority, this is BRITAIN!!! anyone else should pay their way or go home!!
Why have I been red arrowed for pointing out to a poster that the people in the article are not the illegal immigrants he accused them of being, as they are from an EU country. WEIRD or what! - anon, uk, 30/8/2010 14:19 OK, they're not ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, but they're still immigrants, and why should they have priority over local people? And another thing, they only come here because they know they will be given houses and money. We can't have our schools and hospitals overflowing with foreigners, EU or not.
Why have I been red arrowed for pointing out to a poster that the people in the article are not the illegal immigrants he accused them of being, as they are from an EU country. WEIRD or what! - anon, uk, 30/8/2010 14:19 Legal under EU law, personally I don't recognise EU 'Law', I bet 95% of the people on this board do not either. If the British people had ever had been asked we would of never allowed it!
Again,the Mail gets it wrong.The coalition stated that councils may give locals first choice,not must.This is just another political statement from the "GOD"you at the daily mail worship.
Of course this should happen but it probably won't. Imagrants dont want coouncil houses they want private mansions which will be lavished upon them by lefty councils in a bid to be seen to be politicly correct.
Surely they should be sent back to their own country if they don't have a job or anywhere to live
I hope that Terry in Okehampton never needs the protection of the Human Rights Act if he is so eager to have it repealed. First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing etc....
What is going on? First Mr Pickles has started to sort out the 'travellers' planning fiasco and now local councils are told to give priority to local people. So much commonsense and fairness in a matter of a few days. The Coalition needs to be careful, after 13 years of the Blair/Brown lunacy we need time to get used to these sensible polices again.
Immigrants shouldn't be given council houses and they shouldn't be given benefits. If they can't support themselves they shouldn't be here at all.
Why not make one of the conditions to get a house be that you must be working and able to pay the rent.
How are immigrants given any housing whatsover? We have enough of our home-grown losers that need housing without importing more. If you can't make a net-contribution to the UK, we don't want or need you. - Dorothy, Leeds, 30/8/2010 14:17 And by what definition are people who need housing 'losers'? There are lots of people who are young and working who need a helping hand. The price of property now and the deposit required is damned near impossible for those just starting out. However, I do agree with your final sentence.
Assuming there should be such a thing as council housing in the first place (why can't you, you know, WORK FOR WHAT YOU HAVE rather than expect HANDOUTS from the government), I would much rather it went to people likely to contribute back to society in the form of taxes, such as hard-working foreigners, and NOT to the UNEMPLOYABLE tracksuited earring-wearing pitbull-owning tatooed chavs and their pram-pushing teenage girlfriends loitering about all over this country.
Why on earth are immigrants allowed to be housed by our local authorities anyway? If they come to live over here then surely they should be renting property of private renters. My son and daughter in law and grandson live with us. (By us I mean my husband and I), they are are the waiting list for a property off the local authority and when my daughter in law spoke to someone last week she was told that an immigrant had priority over them!!!!! They are putting in bids for high rise flats and they aren't even getting a look in for one of them.
The question is not if they are foreign or UK nationals, It is the fault of the system, that gives the right to council housing for life. The people who WORK HARD in this country pay ever increasing taxes for that right. It is ridiculous and nonsense, there are so many things to be done in this country, give a broom to these people to start to clean the streets, they should give something back for the society that is housing them. Why isnt she working as a cleaner or housekeeper, and why isnt the husband doing the same?
How is this possible for goodness sake? I am Dutch and live in Germany. This would not be possible if I didn't have any income to live on. ( I have, a pension from the Netherlands) Are the rules in Britain different? I was told the EU rules are, you have to have an income of any sort to be able to live in another EU country! ( And if you have a criminal record, it's also not possible to move)
I'm afraid this is all political posturing to subdue the the indigenous British People, the Government know that under EU rules they must find accommodation for East Europeans entering this country. To appease those who have been on the waiting list for years, they have set a new criteria for immigrants, but we all know these immigrants will circumvent the new guidelines and still get their houses before the ones born & bred here. Nothing new here then!!!!!!
When people from other EU countries come here and claim benefits better than those awarded in their own country, we should be able to reclaim the amount given to them from their government. Its insanity that those residing in other EU countries can find out which country pays the highest benefits, and which country will give them priority on housing and just move here. Someone HAS to change the rules. People who have lived and worked here all their lives cannot be put to the back of the queue!
What does 'local' imply? Will this new move stop 'homeless' people British born from another town or city getting council houses before the 'locals'.
EU community or not, NOBODY should be allowed to move to a different country unless they have a job to go to, and they most definitely shouldn't be given housing and a hatful of benefits. While I accept Canada is not part of the EU (thankfully!!), when we moved here, not only did we need to show proof of suitable arranged employment, we also had to show that we had sufficient funds yosupport ourselves until we started earning. We were not eligible for any benefits and received no health care coverage for the first 90 days so had to pay fir medical insurance. Britain would do well to adopt similar rules for such economic migrants.
How is this possible for goodness sake? I am Dutch and live in Germany. This would not be possible if I didn't have any income to live on. ( I have, a pension from the Netherlands) Are the rules in Britain different? I was told the EU rules are, you have to have an income of any sort to be able to live in another EU country! ( And if you have a criminal record, it's also not possible to move)
If he can't support himself and his family he should be deported. Why should you the English Tax payer keep him.
Labour and Liberal controlled councils will not implement the changes to house allocation - they like things just the way they are. Tory councils might try but will be slapped down by the professional do-gooders. The genie is out of the bottle on immigration and there is no going back until we have a Government prepared to lead us out of the EU. Tony and Gordy, stitched us up good and tight.
The British people must be made aware, that there has been a long term strategy since the WW2 to water down the British genetic chain. We have never been beaten, and the powers have decided to change the British character. Apart from blatant stupidity there can be no other answer to the social suicide that our MP's are putting this country and its people through. Not only social suicide, but adding insult to injury treat immigrants with Kid gloves, and giving them preferential treatment, like three bed houses, then they ask for bigger houses. I give up.
About time. But the social engineers with strategic jobs at the council will simply ignore this and carry on as they have been. This country is finished.
I remember Browns statement "BRITISH JOBS FOR BRITISH PEOPLE" and the farce this occured. I Wait and see what happens with this instruction from the Government. Me thinks its another scam.
About time that British people came first in Britain. But it should have been done long before now and I'm beginning to suspect that by next week, immigrants will be back at the front. The Coalition cannot be trusted to keep their word.
charity begins at home!there are families in this country,english families who need housing.they patiently wait on council housing lists only to be leapfrogged by immigrants who were probably adequately housed in thier own countries. wheres the justice in that.locals should have priority no doubt about it!!!
Could you move into your neighbours home with your wife and kids, expect your neighbour to feed and clothe you without them even having a say in it? Well, Britain is our home and we're sick of the invasion!
GO HOME and let the British be British and work for your life not scrounge. Totally sick of this subject, for so many years the public knew it but the government did nothing about it. It is draining the tax payers and pension payers funds as well as so many other resources. I was brought up in a council house because my British mother had NOTHING. No present husband or father to me and my two brothers, no money (he kept the child benefits), no car, no fridge. We finally got one family black and white TV when I was 15. Our garden was immaculate with cuttings from others, no litter and we kept our clothes and ourselves clean (even the horrible grey socks I had to wear from my brothers). Everyday my mother would go to work and earn enough money to pay for her bus fare (1hour 45 mins travel each way) and buy food for the next day, she carried the heavy shopping on the bus alone.
Looks like the family can afford Sky Satellite TV as well!
The state on some of the Council Estates who would want to live there?
I'll believe it when I see it, no doubt there will be some European Law that overrides these proposals.
‘People who have made contributions to the system deserve to benefit from the system.’ About time! In no other country would new arrivals be allowed to step over the heads of locals, in such a fashion. This was one of the major issues contributing to the growing anti-immigration feelings of British people. The are many more issues to be addressed in re-balancing the rights of British people over newcomers. Keep going Coalition and you may just remain in power for a long time to come.
Why are people allowed to live here when they clearly cannot afford to support themselves. No other country would allow this so why should we!!!!
this story is nonsense. local people have always been given priority in allocation of council houses. most councils have a points system where you get extra points (and therefore get further up the list) if you work in the area, have family in the area or have lived there previously. you certainly cant register as homeless (considering how hard-pressed council house stock is thats the only way to get a council house) in any area you want as you have to have a local connection to an area to be entitled to register homeless.
The EU controls the UK immigration policy and politicians really don't want to mention it,but as long as we remain in the EU their immigration and so called open borders policy will continue to discriminate and work against British people in their own country. The cost of this policy has worked against British people and if Turkey enters this club,watch out they will have full rights to come here!! The only answer is to start running our own country once more and make sure the politicians are held to account and our long denied EU referendum must be held!!
Yes i agree with all thats been said but we have people like that who are english.....breed.........never work......get money thrown at them and do absolutely nothing to contribute To our economy............... These sort of people should also go to the botttom of the list and these houses be kept for hard working class families......... - hazel dean, bournemouth., 30/8/2010 A true patriot of this country - not. The difference is that the British people who need housing were born here and their parents and grandparents have put plenty in no doubt and I think that makes them eligible well before foreigners that just turn up and get given everything they need who have contributed nothing.
I rent in a small room in London, am currently between contracts (just 4 weeks gap), and have not claimed any benefits, yet my taxes subsidise irresponsible procreation and unsustainable immigration. The system should encourage self-sufficiency and social responsibility. Unfortunately that is not what I see every day before my very eyes. London is experiencing a veritable population boom, driving out people who grew up here. The social experiment has gone too far, and in times of economic meltdown could backfire as competing ethnic groups scramble for diminishing per-capita resources.
Immigrants should not be allowed in this country unless they can speak English, have accommadation and a job. They should not be allowed to go on benefits immediately they enter the country. We are the laughing stock of the whole world.
oh purlese.....how many of you on here whingeing have sent an email regarding cases like these and the unfairness to Cameron..... or at the very least...your local MP.... If this angers you, then spare a couple of mins to email parliament....address on the web.....only via protest will any thing change
At long last some common sense. If any Englishman was in one of their countries, you can be sure they wouldn't get priority housing treatment. I wonder what goes on in the minds of these housing people - I really do.
When I was a child we slept seven in one bed. If we complained to mum that we was cold she would chuck another brother on top of us.
So how will things change if "Homelessness" is still top priority? Surely all immigrants are homeless when they arrive??
The councils will ignore any edict from Parliament and continue to push a socialist agenda as all the officers know their jobs will survive best under Labour.
Its time the government did more that giving UK people priority over immigrants for housing. They need to stop so many entering the country.
I am from the Czech Republic and I feel ashamed for people such as Mrs Horvatova. The reason she's left the Czech Republic is a simple one - she thought she was being treated badly and somebody should give her something for nothing. And if you struggle financially, why would you have 7 children???
Why on earth are there council houses with more than 3 bedrooms? That's simply encouraging people to have more children they can't afford. 1 bedroom for the parents, one for the girls and one for the boys. Getting cramped? Stop having children or get a job where you earn enough money to pay for your kids yourself!
So EEU comers will be simply overridden by the locals, not removed from the queue completely? And there are - how many - over 1 million of them? And while all that is happenning your ministers are trying to crack on the non-EU immigrants who are, arguably, the only kind of immigrants that contribute (high-rate taxpayers, no access to benefits, fluent in english, etc.)?? They've certainly messed it up royally from the very start wide opening the UK, unlike the continental EU, to the new member states and now simply try to sweep it all under the carpet distracting attention by the non-EU or student visas limits and ignoring this big elephant in the room....
I've said it before and I will say it again. We need quit the European Union immediately. Apart from ending the infux of economic immigrants, we will be shot of a corrupt self propagating institution that has wormed its way into, and now rules our nation. Then we can tackle the immigrants from all corners of the globe, and don't tell me they are all facing threats, death and destruction. That is simply a myth put around by the do gooders.
What I can't get my head around is, no one in the UK or Ireland are rushing over to Eastern Europe to take advantage of their benefit system, yet we have 1000s coming here with no skills, little command of the English language and a mindset of free money and benefits. We've created a monster that is slowly getting out of control. Can you imagine what Britain will be like in 10 years time?
So, everybody on this board used to decry that migrants were getting priority over locals - whether or not that was actually true. Now we have locals getting priority over migrants: it's the same 'policy' - but how is it any more justified one way than the other? There should be no priorities, no 2nd class citizens - most especially not 2nd class locals. Immigration should be controlled to begin with, and housing allocation should remain a matter of need.
Like someone has all ready said, wait and see. I've nothing against immigrants but I do think they should only be allowed to come to England if they have a trade that will benefit the country therefore putting something back into it via tax and nhi. I work for a charity based company and we try our damned best to help those who are homeless get a home but do we succeed? No where near as much as we'd like and these people were born here. Even trying to get them into a hostel is a nightmare as we are constantly told there are no places as they are all full. Those born here should come first. My grown kids haven't a chance of getting council property, unless they want to live in a ghetto and why should they when they work?
'Discetionary' and 'consideration' mean nothing. This new policy will be 'ignored' by many Councils. What is needed is a clearly written piece of legislation that spells out the new policy so the looney left councils cannot circumnavigate it with 'discretion'.
Even if its true it wont happen----tthe first refusal will mean a recourse to Human Rights It puzles me that france can expell Roumanian gypsies ad hoc without no Human rights legislation even considered---I suspect it is because they dont have legions of beurocrats and money hungry lawyers considering these peoples welfare above the french citizens
And pigs may fly, just wave the racist card and sorry here's your new house, or build where ever you want too
Empty words.. just like when Labour said British jobs for British workers, then when the stats came out for 2009 we seen that 70% of new jobs went to immigrants / none British. We also had similair on housing from Labour.... Empty words from the Condem'ers.... heard it all before
There is something barmy here, how on earth does a man with obviously limited education, a school cleaner from Eastern Europe, a wife with seven children get given a house in the UK?
So Mrs HorvatovaÂ’s husband leaves his job and makes himself and his family intentionally homeless by coming to Britain. We then give them a council house, he gets Jobseekers Allowance and doubtless the family receive other welfare payments. The government intends to stop such abuse. Enter the human rights lawyers and you can guess the rest.
Please, dont think for one minute it will stop these people from abusing the system. Note PLEASE the comment that priority will still be given to the homeless, well most of these people are already being classified as homeless, indeed they manage to manipulate themselves very easily in to this. And those who dont use that route will simply start using it. The only way to stamp this out is to ensure local people are ALWAYS given priority, no matter what. Let these people sit in the bed and breakfasts until they get fed up and go home.
It's easy to see a non-white face next door and assume that the country is being overrun. A quick bit of research into the numbers and you will see that it's simply not true! - sheila, derby, 30/8/2010 12:10 Wrong. When this topic came up at school, our English teacher asked us to count the first 100 people we saw in the street to find out the percentage that were foreigners. In 1964 he doubted if the number would be above 10%. I have continued to do this head count over the years and about ten years ago I found 61% were foreign. When I did this two weeks ago I found that 92% were foreign. Sheila, I am sure you live a charmed existence up there in Derby. I have relatives that live there and it is a lovely place, but for many foreigners London is England and it is accurate to say that London is currently swamped by foreigners.
the shouldn't give houses to anyone be it British or immigrants. House prices should be made affordable so each and every citizen should work and pay rent or motgage like us the tax payer are doing period...! I am sick and tired of the uncountable help they government provides to people who have made a choice not to work.
if this is true than im beginning to like the coalition government, also why are we helping countries that are not war torn and in their people in danger!
And rightly so!
That'll be the day!
Why have I been red arrowed for pointing out to a poster that the people in the article are not the illegal immigrants he accused them of being, as they are from an EU country. WEIRD or what!
At long last some justice, the next best thing to do is for the swift removal of the Human Rights Act by writting to your MP in droves as I have done and if Clegg doesn't like it, then to hell to the coalition...This Act must go NOW!
My dad died last year and my mum is about to be made homeless , my dad was 59 when he died and had paid taxes and national insurance since he started work at 17 . Guess what council have told her she will have to wait years before she can be housed. She has to stand and listen at the council office and watch whilst immigrants get housed just because they have just arrived in this country. This country sucks. But not for immigrants,..
Too little too late.
This should have been in place years ago but I hope it really does happen.
Yet another BNP policy that was 'racist' when they suggested it, but 'common sense' when suggested by someone else.
How are immigrants given any housing whatsover? We have enough of our home-grown losers that need housing without importing more. If you can't make a net-contribution to the UK, we don't want or need you.
It is the fault of the government that we have been overrun with immigrants as they could also exercise the option to say no. The other EU countries seem to have no problem with this. English people must also take some of the blame themselves as they allow themselves to be dictated to and misled. Some of the irrational claims being made show a lack of understanding on how the EU operates - it's just simpler to blame them when anything goes wrong. Perhaps that is why we have never been given the chance to vote on the referendum by any government.
Won't happen.Full stop.
Isn't this all a bit too late?
Won't happen.Full stop.
THE British National Party (BNP) have been saying this for years and all the media including you Daily Mail have said the BNP lie and are racist. So the BNP are telling the TRUTH. It's not racist to love your Country and want the best for it and it's people.
How can a family from abroad after a few days in UK be allocated a house. It beggars belief and the person(s) who allowed this to happen should immediately be sacked!!! Disgraceful
The housing minister states that councils should give priority to local people but then goes on to say that they will have to give priority to the homeless,people with families and other needy groups, as most of these immigrants have large families and are homeless then nothing has changed. it is just another paper exercise
yeah! we will see! hope this isn't another publicity stunt for the coalition! trouble is all the promises from past governments came to nothing and now i find it very hard to believe or trust anything any of them say-but, if true, yipee! 'bout time immigrants were not allowed to jump the queue for just about everything, including benifits! british citizens are feeling as though they are the foreigners!!!
At last common sense! Give immigrants the back seat, its only fair. Will this apply to everything else too I wonder??! benefits, drain on the NHS etc
What about removing people from housing lists whose first question after viewing a property is to do with buying it and how much discount they can get? I doubt locals will be given priority as immigrants will scream racial discrimination until they get their way, and they will get their way because our weak councils and government will back down.
So L.A.s will be free to allocate to ' locals '. I just can see that happening in any of the Marxist regions of London etc. I did not know that all tthe migrants to this country come from Eastern Europe ( certainly no mention of anybody else ). There should be return to the simple combined points/ need based system of the 70s with a proviso that no migrant qualifies for 5 years. Then most unskilled migration from outside the EU and asylum seeking would disappear overnight.
I should think we have given all the immigrants housing - surely there cannot be many more to be let into the country. Or once again this story is a rumour along with the Government's new proposal to cap immigration. The politicians are okay it is the rest of the population who suffer. The UK in some parts is looking like a concrete jungle - the politicians love it because they look upon it as votes and the property developers are just as bad as bankers, if not worse. Mainly because we are living in very overcrowded conditions becoming more and more aggressive towards each other.
I'm meant to be a European but I still have to show my passport at Dover. We would be better off out of it standing on our own feet and ruling our own country with our borders tightly protected. - Hairnicks, Bristol, 30/8/2010 13:35 You know why that is? Because the UK refuses to join the Schengen Zone - which allows EU citizens to travel without borders and passports, just ID cards. So that's no the EU's fault, it's the UK's. Educate yourself.
That no one had the foresight to see that a system that penalised its own population would cause huge problems is beyond me. It just goes to show those in power who blindly take decisions are severely lacking in common sense and knowledge for the lives of their constituents.
And what's more there are fairies at the bottom of my garden, and I believe in the Easter Bunny and Father Christmas, so of course I believe this will happen.
So Mr Horvatova had a job in the Czech Republic as a cleaner. He obviously earned enough money to provide a home for and support himself, his wife and his steadily growing family. Why then does he up sticks and come here - where there is no job? Why is this allowed when the man had work in his own country? Send the lot back home.
i dont understand politics only common sense, at last the coalition is going to earn brownie points, with that and the welfare farce, lets hope it is not just talk. the french can get away with it why cant we?get rid of the quangos that are waiting for these people to arrive and stear them to accommodation and other benefits, the system only works one way. i worked up to retirement,this is the only way to have my say.it is to late the damage is done,the past governments have seen to that. you dont have to be a member of the BNP want your own country as it was, VIVA LA FRANCE. NOW bring out the do gooders.
Regarding the Czech family in the country 2 minutes, not working, breeding like rabbits and demanding a taxpayer-funded council house - this is beyond belief. Do you really think that would happen in the United States or Australia? In fact anywhere else but Britain? Broken Britain. Too right.
This family of seven children and two adults might make a start by cleaning up the litter in their council subsidised back garden, or are they waiting for someone from the council to do it?
I haven't and wouldn't apply, but if I wanted to get benefits here in Cyprus, being British, I would have to have worked for at least 6 months here and built up enough contributions to qualify, also to get a job via their jobcentre they don't want to know unless we speak Greek fluently and also read and write it, and as for a house, no chance! But I appreciate those rules, I wanted to live here so I should be able to support myself and not be a drain on the Cypriots.
I don't believe it, the men in wigs and the EU won't let them put immigrants last. the ConDems are only saying this because of the growing surport of the BNP
Common sense at last......hurray. All we ask is a level playing field..............and an orderly queue!
Why dont the Government have the same policies as Australia whereby you have to live a self sufficient life in the country for 5 years before you can claim any benefits, i.e. free health care, benefits, free housing. Our Government is the pits!!!! I used to be proud to be British but I am certainly not now! By the way I am not against any nationality as there is good and bad in all, but I feel that as this country is in such an economic mess, the british people who have paid their taxes and put money into the country for many many years should be looked after first.
This family in the picture wants more bedrooms? By the looks like she can't look after the house she's got let alone get a bigger house..... Fed up of seeing people on benefits with scruffy houses they do not work so have all the time in the world to clean.
I arrived back into the Uk a year ago, after being abroad for 17 years. I was refused job seekers allowence and couldn't draw any dole. I'm pure bred English and had to struggle until I found a job, 45 minutes away from home.
Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words!
I too say about time too and hope that they really do mean it and do it!! This country has been a soft touch for immigrants for far too long.
If EU immigrants can not afford private accommodation then they should go back to their country of origin-just as Brit workers have to do in their country! It is also a disgrace that benefits are paid to these people without equal reciprocal arrangements for our people throughout Europe. If the country concerned can not afford it, they should not be in the EU. EU=Enormously Unfair!
They shouldn't be IN the queue
yes,of course I agree with this,but you must realise that we cannot leave these poor people unhoused,so if there is no council houses available would a hotel do,or we could allocate a private house and pay the rent for them.Well there you go then,problem solved.PUT IT ON MY BILL,ITS CALLED TAX.
I see the price of Bacon has gone sky high, because Pigs are Flying. The EU and judiciary will soon put the mockers on this, even though you cannot get any type of help in their countries.
What ever happens in housing it is to late now to save this country it is no longer possible to believe any of our politicians the countrys make up has been changed more dramaticly since the 1950 .s more than through out history . What is a local scratch the surface and the majority are immigrants or the off spring invited to this country with out the consent of those that fought to make this once great country free. and who died waiting for council houses.
It's a good idea in principle but I'm sure some immigrants rights group will challenge it under EU human rights laws the the EU will step in and ban the practice.
For one, I will believe it when I see it and two, this sounds a little like the CameronGlegg well oiled machine's researchers have been reading the British national Party's policy document.
'Local' British people come in all colours, it's not racist to put those who have contributed to this country for a long time to the front of the queue. It's shameful it's taken the politicians this long to realise what is right.
This family are simply a drain on the social services & should be sent back to their homeland. If immigrants don't have a job lined up, they should not be allowed entry to our country. Simples!
Next thing we'll be having notices around the country : whites only/blacks only. circa Johannesburg 1971 when I moved there. I quickly moved back to the UK, I can tell you!
I love how Sheila, Derby has been red arrowed for stating FACTS! Another fact is the small minded, right wing daily mail readers will read between any lines and the type of propaganda normally heard from the mouths of the BNP idiots. And for those saying they watch friends / family etc struggle to pay rent..........Speechless - how else should they live - Free? Should we not all pay rent / mortages? Its not okay for anyone to expect a free ride - i want my taxes to help the needy, no matter where they're from - not the lazy workshy brits (or otherwise) who bemoan a time gone by, and expect everything handed to them on a plate. I work, now you try it.
Do you think a council such as Haringay will take the slightest notice of this ?
YES AND I JUST HEARD SANTA IS REAL DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH - disgusted woman, CANTERBURY KENT, 30/8/2010 13:10 I totally 100% agree. I remember a few years ago Tower Hamlets council tried this it was called the 'Sons and Daughters' scheme. It was outlawed as racist. This will not go through, even if they did try and push it through the European Court of Human Rights will slap it down.
Its as simple as this. If any member of an EEC country presents himself in the UK, then He/ She has the same rights as a Citizen of the UK. When we joined we didnt think that the Rich Germans or French would want to come here. But since the poorer countries have been admitted there is vast emigration to our shores for People from the Poorest and furtherest parts. Why oh why did they admit Bulgeria and Romania ?... I would imagine in the future Lawyers from the UK will base themselves in these impoverished countries taking on Human rights cases. I.E. There human rights will be affected if they arnt allowed entry and residence in the UK. Benefits should be granted to these people. Only the same amount that they could claim in their own country. Well done Mr and Mrs Blair and Mr Brown with our Human Rights act.
If they want to come here all immigrants they should have money enough for a year, jobs lined up and accomodation sorted, as well as filling all the other criteria. Why are we such total mugs? I am not being rascist but why would they come here and take the things we have paid for. I have met many nice immigrants but really the situation we are in is madness. We must take care of our own people first, no matter what their colour or faith.
John of East Anglia. I live in France and have done so for the past 30 years as my husband is French. I agree with you in France if you work and are then made unemployed you get about 12 months unemployment, which is lower and lower as the months go on. Then you get what they call the RMI which is a bare minimum, I think (as I have never used it) it is about £400 per month but this is for your food, clothes, housing everything. So if other Europeans come to France then they are treated under French law. If the same Europeans go to the UK they are treated under UK law and as far as I can see it's the UK law that gives so much to its own citizens. Then the others under European law are entitled to the same benefits. I could be wrong but I presume that is how it works. You go to any European country you are treated following their internal laws. Britain just seem to have an overwhelmingly good benefits system.
I also lived in France. It was virtually impossible to find work BECAUSE unless you are running your own company there, work is given to the French first and, of course, despite my living there for ten years I was treated as a FOREIGNER and that is how it is. They protect there own. I only wish our government would do the same in the UK. It is hardly any surprise that the EDL want to protest. The EDL would probably not exist if the country were looking after there own. Though I am not a member of the EDL, I totally understand why they feel the need to protest and, it is a rightful protest. The indigenous population is being squeezed from all sides. Work given to foreigners and, if we go to a foreign country no work. Where is the sense in all this? It is neither sensible nor fair. We need some good and sensible policies to help our own home grown people to obtain GOOD employment and GOOD housing. If this does not happen there will be anarchy - I predict it.
And why has the housing system situation been abused? Because it makes money for a whole raft of people (lawyers / EU politicians / doctors e.g.) who never have to live amongst the chaos they create, but... do VERY well out of it financially, thank you. That's why things won't change! There are laws that 99% of the time never make sense but they are still being impleted/maintained. Basically, a load of people within certain 'systems' benefit nicely from it being in place. Let's get with the program!!!!
It's not just the European community, loads of Brazilian families are coming here & jumping the list too! They are all over my community & have no respect for their neighbours or the council rules. I asked one of them if they were on holiday, & they said no, they'd come over from Sao Paulo to get a place to live. I didn't know that Brazil was part of the European Community?! - Winston, Tottenham, 30/8/2010 10:55 Winston, so sorry to hear that. I'm brazilian and italian, moved to the UK 3 yrs ago to study and got a job (& pay taxes since) 2 weeks after arriving. I have a great deal of respect for this country and its people and feel ashamed to hear of loud/disrespectful behaviour (not all of us are like btw). You should not have to put up with it, it's YOUR country and when a guest in someone's house, respect in the word. Do yourself a favour and tell/write them what are the social rules of living in Britain. It's YOUR (great) country - do not feel embarassed of taking ownership !
I Watched a programme the other nigh,. If we want live in the U.S.A. we are put at the back of the queue, must have enough money to live on and prove it, and if running a business, employ Americans if you don't conform to this you are turfed out without ceremony. That is some special relationship !!!! back of the queue. fourth world Brits. If you come here you are given housing, money, interpreters to make certain you are getting everything you're entitled ?? to, and it would appear, anything else that takes your fancy. WELCOME TO LABOUR GORDONS LUNATIC ASYLUM.
eastern europeans should not qaulify for council housing at all .what on earth have they done for the country to earn the right .should be for britsh families first and foremost. come on uk ,stop being the soft touch .even the french have more guts than the weak livered people running uk.
Common sense at long, long last. ALLELUIA ! And all new economic migrants should rent for their first 5 or 10 years, in order to give priority to the 'property market' sufficient time to build more homes for the indiginous population. Politicians and academics urgently need to start asking how many more people, then, before Britain's, and the world's, population becomes a totally toturous and unsustainable catastrophe?
- Stephen Irvine, Balloch, Scotland, 30/8/2010 12:36 What would you really know about life in an inner city or even a suburb, sitting up there on the banks of loch Lomond. I do agree that we have enough home grown scroungers of our own, all that says to m
This will probably break some EU rule or be against the immigrants human rights . So don't bet on it actually happening.
About time we looked after our own, makes a change from namby pambying & paying for all the non-contributing useless scroungers from abroad. But I can't help but wonder are the human rights lawyers rubbing their grubby hands in anticipation ?
For non EU nationals on the points system/work permits, we have to earn a certain threshold, we have to have more than 3 years’ experience in that role and prove that no UK/EU person was able to be employed, we pay full tax, and have ZERO recourse to public funds (no tax credits, no job seekers, no nursery vouchers, no social housing etc etc), should we lose our job we have one month to leave the country; no ifs, buts or maybes. We are not the source of the immigration problem, yet the only adjustments the government can make to immigration is to crack down on work permits and the points based system, this only makes it HARDER for hard working, highly paid, tax revenue generating people who don’t consume any of your public funds. Meanwhile, EU nationals, asylum seekers and illegal migrants continue to flow into the UK as normal – why is no one showing that the govt’s action on work permits and points based system is completely ineffective, you are persecuting the wrong people.
WHO'S KIDDING WHO !!!
Why on earth is this Czech family allowed to remain? Nobody in the household works, they do not contribute in the way of taxes. But they take a LOT. A free house, JSA, free education for their kids, free health etc. it's ridiculous! Send them back ASAP! Foreigners should not be allowed to claim anything until they have paid taxes for several years.
Too little too late... You'll probably find that the 'locals' in some ares ARE immigrants as there are towns of them now.
Chris RD S.Yorks - 'In this area the locals are too lazy to work. Jobs are then filled by people from outside the area who need housing'. You should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating this myth about British people being 'too lazy' for work, particularly if you are British yourself. I recall quite clearly the British unemployment figures being significantly lower, particularly amongst 18-25 year olds, prior to the great social engineering experiment of new labour that welcomed millions of foreign people to our shores. And in this case in particular, where the eastern european immigrant left his job in his own country to move his family to a life of 'free living' in Britain, your comment is made to look all the more ridiculous.
its time this is stopped nobody should be given a house in this country unless they are born here all councils do this as my daughter saw three houses empty a couple of years ago and when she approached the council about one she was told that she would not be considered for these as she was not an immigrant or asylum seeker, when is any goverment going to stop discriminating against the british population.
name and shame every Labour minister, councilor & spokesperson who lied about this, insisting the sky was not blue.
Its about time, they steal our jobs and homes. Lets get out of EU
"Locals to be given priority over immigrants in queue for council houses " Chance would be a fine thing.
Houses, jobs should always go to Brits first. There should be no dole or benefits paid in any area where there are jobs on offer.
Whilst I agree that locals should be given priority over immigrants, your article suggest that those who have "contributed to they system should benefit from the system". Sadly there are many though, who have not contributed to the system at all, have been on benefits their whole lives, and who expect council accomodation as their right. The system should be such that those who make an effort to seek employment, but genuinely cannot afford any other accomodation should be at the top of the list, and those who can't be bothered, because living on benefits is too easy, should be forced to do some kind of work to gain access to their benefits.
Just more soundbites churned out by the coalition's propaganda machine. Nothing will change.
Every single government loves immigrants, for the very reason they drive down wages and stop the unions arguments for salary increases. The old mantra is forever heard, if you don't like it, we will find a foreigner to do the job instead. So the immigrants have enforced the minimum wage and every minister, both LibCon and Labour loves it.
This was in the manifesto of another party too, if anyone bothered to read it.......Nah thought not. And Second class citizen., Airstrip 1, EUSSR, you are spot on mate. Shame the majority of the electorate are either too lazy or too scared to actually research another party (the x factor or BB was probably on the telly). People, there is no shame in being British, whatever colour your skin is. The shame is in being too scared to stand up for yourselves. Ask yourselves this. Is the Britain of today really what millions of our countrymen and women died for in 2 world wars and would they be proud of what we have made it? If you can honestly answer yes, then there is no hope for us and we may as well...........................................(sat here looking at a blinking cursor for 10 mins now and still can't think of anything the DM would print, what a damning indictment of either our country or my vocabulary. Please god its my vocabulary)
The question for the Labour Party to answer is why was it ever otherwise?
About time we looked after our own people. I thought that movement within the european union, was such that anyone moving to another country had to have the means to support themselves and provide their own accommodation, that is certainly the case here in Spain. No social housing for immigrants here. No home, No job, no benefits. I would think the rest of theworld thinks the UK is utopia !!!!! About time it was stopped.
Peterborough council needs to be investigated as to my knowledge anyone coming from and EU country can live in an EU country if they can support there self, but to claim benefits they need to have worked for at least 12 continuous months for which this family has not, so something is going on in Peterborough council or a member of staff does not know the rules.
Why do those types that think we are all one big happy family assume that WE are happy to countenance foreign job stealing interlopers,and exploiters of Britains rediculously soft hearted benefits system. Just look at the comments posted.........you woolly headed doo-gooders are outnumbered hands down. Why not just give it up-your crass socialistic ideas have failed the British,and your time has passed.
We do not want immigrants unless they have a job to go to or can support themselves. That is what the EU laws say. These people should be sent back to their own countries. NO houses. NO benefits.
I lived and was workin in france and when the work dryed up and money was gettin tight i whent to see about dole and was told not here son go home so why isnt that happenin here, why can these othere so called eu nationals turn up get housin and benefits.
YES AND I JUST HEARD SANTA IS REAL DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH
If any of us turned up in Prague, Warsaw, or Budapest and asked to be given accommodation we'd be refused. So why in Britain are immigrants from eastern Europe given council houses anyway - even after a wait? They haven't fled torturing regimes as all the asylum seekers claim to have done. The same with health. Try going without work to Germany or Slovenia and permanently joining their health services. You will be refused point blank. The EU may be bad but it is British politicians themselves who simply don't understand the word NO.
Most people realise that most immigrants who come to this country do not do so for the love of the British people, in fact quite a lot of them despise us..... They come for one reason and one reason only to benefit from the standard of living WE have earned for OUR citizens. If the benefit system dried up for them, which it should, they would be off to the next best soft touch country...if there is one.
It's easy to see a non-white face next door and assume that the country is being overrun. A quick bit of research into the numbers and you will see that it's simply not true! - sheila, derby, 30/8/2010 12:10 Perhaps you should take a look at some of the areas in London then Sheila. Numbers for the country presented as an average don't mean Jack, when you are one of a handfull of white faces on the high street, and the only clothes you can buy locally are hijabs and sari's, and all the food stores sell halal meat.
About time too - let's hope they really mean it.
"But they will still have to give priority housing to the homeless, people with families and other needy groups." Which means immigrants who come here are homeless, therefore they will still be pushed to the front of the queue. What they need to do is start sending home immigrants who cannot support themselves from the start. Why come if you cannot afford to support yourself and have no plans to work. And why come during a time when there is still a shortage of jobs?
why cant we have the same system as Australia, To live there you need to prove you have a job and somewhere to live and have a certain amount of money in your bank account.
ONLY when the EU wakes up and makes every country pay out the same in benefits will it sort out the immigrants situation. IF you get the same benefits whichever country you live in it will stop immigrants from cherry picking where they will be the best off. Some countries are over whelmed with immigrants whilst others who have poorer beneifits system are let off the hook. Time it was rectified. How does a small island like Malta cope with the largest amount of immigrants even above the UK? It just is not fair to the local tax payers especially as we dont want them here anyway. I am afraid if the dictators at Brussels dont do something soon we are heading for disaster as people take the law into their own hands
Yes i agree with all thats been said but we have people like that who are english.....breed.........never work......get money thrown at them and do absolutely nothing to contribute To our economy............... These sort of people should also go to the botttom of the list and these houses be kept for hard working class families.........
About bloody time! Local people are the ones who have paid their taxes NOT the illegal imigrants, locals MUST come first. - John GROVES, Shropshire They are NOT illegal immigrants you fool, their country is a member of the EU, so they are free to move to any other EU country and be treated as locals.
This is disgraceful but everyone knows it has been happening but council officers deny it,local mp's deny it and the labour government denied it and if you dared question it you were accused of being a racist or like that pooe woman who question Gordon Brown she was accused of being a "bigot". The country hates it's own citizens.
The problem is that many of the local population are immigrants, and they will come first again.
Unfortunately, this sovereign state (sic!) has absolutely no power whatsoever to prevent any EU person coming and living here Not being in the EU has done absolutely no harm whatsoever to the Swiss and to the Norwegians and it would save us all huge amounts of money if we left the EU and only traded with them where we wanted to Though, being the vindictive bureaucrat-run nasty lefty organisation it is, they probably would declare trade war against us if we left their expensive club from which we derive so little benefit
In my area of Brent, we've been on the council list for 12 years (a family of 7) whilst we see asylum seekers & immigrants getting beautiful, affordable housing. Now my family are grown up, my husband is aged 66 & we are still denied an affordable place to rent. It really hurts to see foreigners living in such lovely spacious housing, whereas we have had to rent privately & paying the astronomical private rents has impoverished us.
At last. If we Brits went abroad and demanded accommodation - no doubt we would soon be shown the exit door, and told not to approach again. And for all on benefits, homegrown or otherwise, instead of just handing benefits out - make them earn it. Let them mix with others having to earn a living - it might remove the stigma attached to 'benefit' and also reasure the tax-payers who pay them, that their hard earned money is going to good use instead of down the benefit drain................
To all those people who are British and have been on housing waiting lists for years, due to influx of asylum seekers taking priority, than all I can say , to a certain extent, they themselves are to blame!! Why on earth did they sit back and allow it to happen, if it had been any other country particularly America, citizens would have been out on the streets protesting. This country have basically left it too late to start fighting back now, the left wing establishment has too strong a hold, and if the brave few do attempt to rectify the situation, our PC police force will no doubt arrest them for racism ie the EDL and the Anti Facists recent march.!! I would suggest that those British citizens still waiting for a council house write to Trevor Phillips and ask for his help!!!!!!!!!!!!! Josie C, Derby, UK
Do we shoot our self in the foot trying to stop migrants in Calais, when we are such a lucrative place to invaid for foreign nationals? France can turf out their Romany communities and send them to Britain; the EU needs a refuge bin like anywhere else.
If we are to be chained to the EU then surely it would make sense for EU citizens taking up social resources to have this cost charged back to their country of origin if they are not economically self supporting.
- Ex Pats (UK Taxpayers), France, 30/8/2010 12:32 Your post gives the impression that you are confusing asylum seekers with members of the EU who are free to move within other European countries and are entitled to the same benefits as the indigenous popu
About bloody time!!! I dont give a monkeys about the red arrows!!!
Afraid it the usual one rule for us and another for eastern europe AND OTHER countries getting priorities,no dout they are as they are unemployed also getting rent free and other fribiees that the rest of us pay for
Nice soundbite for the coalition but I'm afraid that's all it will ever be. It will almost certainly be declared illegal by the EU for putting Britons ahead of other EU nationals. Neither The Tories, Lib Dems or Labour will take us out of the EU, so as long as we're ruled by any of these 3, we are ruled by the EU.
If your local then surely you have friends and relatives in the area that you can move in with.These unfortunate souls have nobody to help them out so I believe immigrants should be given priority.
Tim from Bolton, yes, Labour's nightmare continues. And we told you that it would before the general election in 2010. We told you that it would continue whichever of the LibLabCon you vote for. It was evident that the Tories were going to rule within the same philosophical context that Labour had created. We knew this not least beacuse of the way Cameron reneged on a "cast-iron" promise to hold a referendum on the EU. The EU really is the reason for most of our woes, and all of our main parties will always have us tied to it. Our woes will continue, but our political elite will just keep getting better off. The only way we can stop this is to vote in a government that will pull us out of the EU and set up a constitution that guards against any future loss of sovreignty. We need a tribunal for the criminals who sold our country (followed by apt punishment for traitors). A constitutional gov. only needs one term. I recommend that you vote UKIP from now on, in all elections.
She is 27 years old and has 7 children!!!
Erm.......what?!?.......*he rubs in eyes in disbelief*.......local people PRIORITISED?!? Is this the beginning of the end of the liberal-elite's entire agenda? An agenda I have to admit my generation supported 30 years ago but woke up to the consequences of 5 years later and then couldn't get rid of the idiots who still believed in it? This agenda DID achieve good things but the bad FAR outweighed the good Strip it all and let COMMON SENSE REIGN AGAIN
The very sad part of all this is the great support suddenly the racist BNP is receiving, which is more than disgusting. I totally agree that some people who come to this country abuse the system. But it's not the immigrants who's fault is, is the councils who, for some reason, are inefficient to set up a rule of priorities on which a national family-citizen should come as a priority, and tbh, any immigrant is very capable of adapting to this situation as he/she has already gave up a familiar environment (their countries) to be here. But supporting the BNP will solve nothing: Have a look at their agenda, if you are not born in this country being legal or not, working or not, you'll be deported. That will include me a lots of very hard worker people who have lived here for years and years and have never claim a penny. And, my friends, whatever the DM and all the racist BNP people like to tell you, it's the majority.
Again, believe it when you see it happening with your own eyes. Headlines are easy.
This has been going on now for years where we are 2nd class citizens in our own country. Immigrants have always come first with the council. Would we come first in their countries, I do not think so. My son and his partner live in Notting Hill, London in a small 3 bedroom flat with 5 children. 3 of from my sons partners previous marriage ages from 18, 16 and 11. My son's children are 3 and 18 months. The 18 month old boy has to sleep in the bed with them as there is nowhere for him to sleep, very unhealthy situation. Letters have gone to Sir Malcolm Rifkind, Head Housing Officer and Social Services but no one wants to help or even care.. The point system is a joke which the council now have and again suits immigrants not hard working people like my son. 2 options they were given which were Swap, but who would down size to a flat with no lift and 4 flights of stairs, not the elderly. Privately but this does give any security if the owner wants to sell the property. We should come first
""I have been on my local council's housing waiting list for 16 years! - Charlotte Lewis, Croydon, 30/8/2010 10:59 Surely in that time you could have saved enough money to buy a house? - Marg, Porthcawl, Mid Glamorgan, 30/8/2010 12:23"" When you pay high private rents there is nothing left to save.
In this area the locals are too lazy to work. Jobs are then filled by people from outside the area who need housing. The council recognises the need and these people get priority housing so nothing will change.
at long last!!!
About time, too!
''But they will still have to give priority housing to the homeless, people with families and other needy groups.'' so basically, no change then as the immigrants are effectively homeless, usually have large families and have nowhere else to stay. more empty words and meaningless gestures
"Were doomed Captain Mainwaring, were doomed" Time to hand the keys over & get out now before its too late.
Too little, too late, I'm afraid. The damage has been done and it was only a couple of days ago that Vince Cable was showing how dangerously left wing the lib dems are. This problem is easily solved, vote BNP, this will all seem like a bad dream and we can once again be our own masters, or you can carry on with your eyes firmly shut and this country will get worse.
I dont know why DM insist on depress us with stories like this. We all know us tax payers are keeping scrounger Britain in the lifestyle they are accustomed to and that probably nothing much will ever change. We also know its us tax payers that will be the ones that bring the deficit down as i cant ever see the government doing anything sensible, like capping benefits to stop professional breeders and make people better off in work. The fact that we are giving houses to people from abroad who have contributed nothing to this country does not suprise me, after all were throwing money at professional breeders just the same. A free for all this country has become if your lacking in pride and for people abroad who are wanting an easier and better way of life. We go on about how bad the deficit is but the government only seem to be taking away from the very people who work and are contributing to getting it down and who havent really caused it in the first place. Nothing will ever change
Somehow England never seems to get new laws right and people wanting to come to the UK always find ways to exploit the detail of the law and here is the backdoor, literally, for all those wanting a home in the UK. They will simply move over and claim to be living on the streets even if they do bed down at a friend who came and got a council house before them. So once registered as homeless they again get priority and as the seem to be allowed over with all their kids in tow then their priority need increases. So why not quash that by from the start saying that unless you can prove that you have a home to stay at then you can not come over, even if it is to seek employment which they say they are doing. Unless they have somewhere to stay they should not be allowed in. The should not be allowed to be housed in the homes our taxes have built at the expense of those who contributed to that tax monies. And if the EU don't like it we should leave instead of constantly being used.
Call me cynical, but I'll believe it when i see it!
But what does the term "local" people mean? If an immigrant turns up in your town then they will be classed as "local" because they are in your locale. Nothing will change while we are part of the EU.
Hallelulja! Now go a step further and stop giving benefits to non-nationals altogether.
The immigrants will get around this by claiming they are "homeless". Anyone else spot the glaring loophole that foreigners will use to their advantage? Very little will change as councils have proved to be too pc which will not benefit the Brits.
Well it's a start to getting priorities in the right order. Homes for local people is the right thing to do, now let's see the jobs paying a living wage given to local people. When that is implemented, the UK will not be seen as El Dorado by economic migrants.
The real reason for the lack of Council Housing is not "the scourge of mass immigration" that the media would have us all whipped up into a frenzy over but is down to a large majority of third generation benefits scroungers (usually white and working class) who just like their fathers and grandfathers before them, have no intention of working and contributing to the countrys economy but yet somehow believe that they are more entitled by right of birth to free housing and handouts. Are we now going to see these "poor white downtrodden" lifelong scroungers given preferential treatment over someone who is perfectly willing to come to this country, work hard and contribute like a large majority of immigrants are. There are industries in this country that would collapse without immigrant labour and that's a FACT!
It's about time our own were put first, but I don't mean the lazy good for nothing work shy - I mean the hard working people of this country and there are a lot of them. Sort it all out - housing - benefits etc.
Think very carefully. If you think this is bad you haven't seen anything yet. There are millions, not thousands, millions of Turks with their bags packed waiting for the EU green light to invade our country. - Second class citizen., Airstrip 1, EUSSR, 30/8/2010 12:56 Oh dear oh dear oh dear. What a well informed comment. Not only are their bags packed ready they have already started to queue at Istanbul airport and the border crossing at Erdine.
If someone comes here with their kids, no job, no money and no home they should be sent back. They are voluntarily homeless and deserve nothing. Europe has done nothing for me, I'm meant to be a European but I still have to show my passport at Dover. We would be better off out of it standing on our own feet and ruling our own country with our borders tightly protected.
About bloody time! Local people are the ones who have paid their taxes NOT the illegal imigrants, locals MUST come first.
At least these council houses will be going to hard-working, enterprising people, which migrants invariably are, and not to the lazy benefit-addicted work-shy home-grown semi-drunk chavs that we have here. - Geoff, EU, 30/8/2010 3:59 How do you know that, what an idiotic statement.
This giving houses to the asylum seekers and foreigners has been going on for a long time. We have become 2nd class citizens in our own country. Would they do this for us in their countries, I think not. My son and partner live in Notting Hill in a very small 3 bedroom council flat. There are 5 children, ages ranging frojm 18 years, 16 years, 11 years (from son's partners first marriage) then a 3 years old and 18 month. The 18 month old has to sleep in the bed with mum and dad as there is nowhere to put him this is v ery unhealthy. There have been numerous letters to Sir Malcolm Rifkin, Head of Housing, Social Services but no one wants to know or help. You are told there are no 4 bedroom properties but then find that a foreigner has moved into one. This points system the council have is a load of rubbish as you cannot get anwhere with them and they always fob you off. Try swapping they said but who wants to downsize to a property with no lift if they are elderly. Put us first
It is about time!
More radical action is required i.e get the foreigners out of social housing and tax funded private housing and get the indigenous population who have been on the waiting lists for years into those houses! Either place the foreign nationals into disused forces property or into hostel style accommodation. Why on earth are our taxes being used to subsidise housing for foreigners when our own families cannot get either social housing or onto the housing ladder through purchase. The former because foreigners come first and the latter because foeigners come first i.e with the jobs that would ensure our family coulda ctually buy their own! Tiem to stop the prejudice againt the indigenous population - it has gone on far too long and this social left wing experiment has got to stop. Cameron get your finger out before it is too late!
Being a single female, with a good job and no children, I have absolutely no chance of getting a council house in my local area, even though I have lived here all my life. Now if I presented at the Council Offices as a pregnant female, with no job I'd be put to the top of the list and whilst I appreciate they are the more needy out of both of us, something just doesn't seem fair to me. Having split from my partner this year, I went to the Council to see if they could help me and I was told that I earn too much to be classed as truly a homeless case. No investigation into my personal circumstances, just an assumption made on the salary I earn. What am I paying all my taxes for?
Whether you voted labour or not you have to admit this co / government seem to be doing it right so far. They are not scared of doing what is required or saying it as it should be said, re Pakistan. If they could now tell the banks to lend more freely to first time buyers then that would be the way forward. Gordon Brown and his lot were innept and thought only of giving to those not wanting to work with little thought to those who had to work for a living.
I suspect this will be yet another fine idea (vote winner) that will bite the dust as soon as the first immigrant family rejected for housing complains under EU Human Rights legislation. If this country is ever to recover from the damage that the last 40 years has done, it must withdraw from EU membership and re-build its industry and economic ties elsewhere. No chance. For either scheme.
this is a good move. it's fundamentally unfair that EU or any immigrants should get housing benefits when citizens are in the waiting list. frankly citizens should get first shot. otherwise what is the point of being a citizen? i say this as an immigrant myself who is not entitled to council housing due to not being from the EU.
The real issue that needs to be urgently addressed is unrestricted immigration from any and every where in europe. It affects the UK and now Ireland more than anywhere else. Why - apart from the very generous benefits system in both countries?? Europe is in crisis controlled by a central core than restricts countries doing what is best to solve their own problems and costing a fortune to boot. On joining the EEC - we signed up for a market place TO TRADE IN not a FEDERAL STATE CALLED EUROPE. Government needs to deal with this.
Why are you picking on East European immigrants taking council housing?...........is it because council housing is beneath other immigrants like the Afghans who were given 2 million pound houses to live in central London?
Non EU, non productive immigrants will just go private at a higher cost to us all.
Some people just don't get it.The Uk is part of the EU,all one big happy family,there's nothing stopping British People from going to EU countries.You have just voted for immigration and all that goes with being part of the EU,when you voted Tory and Liberal.Stop whingeing and get on with it, the situation your in is your own doing,and it's there to stay.
As with the so-called "immigration cap" this is once again fawning to the racists in our society. So much for the government being liberal and progressive.
I have been on my local council's housing waiting list for 16 years! - Charlotte Lewis, Croydon, 30/8/2010 10:59 Surely in that time you could have saved enough money to buy a house?
How about no benefits for 15 years after citizenship, apart from life threatening emergency in hospital (note, not just any self defined emergency for which anyone can show up in hospital, that's easier than registering for GP services as any "immigrant" will tell you)
And no doubt as well as a house and JSA, immigrant families get child benefits, housing benefits etc yet they have paid nothing into the welfare system and are living entirely off the British taxpayer. And then they complain the house is too small and they have to travel to school! I can understand wanting to give their families a better life but not at my expense or that of the many British unemployed and needy families.
Tony Barrett Ah quite right Tony. (I love a Yorkshireman!)
A colleague told me 2 years ago that he was looking for 500 places to settle Asylum Seekers and othe immigrants, in his capacity of working in Birmingham City Council Housing Dept. It was not the councils idea, they were dead against it, but it was a dictate by the NuLab government, who had ordered it. And if British people living in council houses were to be evicted to make room, then so be it. NuLabour, more like Germany, 1933 to '45 to me!
The first sentence of this article fills me with anger; 'British people will be allowed'. WILL BE ALLOWED? How patronising and wrong on so many levels. A warning to all those traitorous politicians, we do not need your permission!
Even though they are from other EU countries they still have to be able to support themselves to gain entry to this country...what are these people doing here? and how can Vince Cable say it is of benefit to the british people to allow these people free access..
Perhaps we should tell, not ask, the EU that for every EU immigrant travelling through Europe to get here and claim benefits we will reduce our EU contributions by £10k pa.
About bloody time - charity begins at home. Take all the scrounger's homes back and give them to the British who deserve them!
At long last we have a government that is going to prioritise the needs of British residents (not, of course, British benefit scrounging layabout breeders) Council houses are not for immigrants but they should be reserved for desperately needy people on a temporary basis. There should not be a council house for life - still less, an inherited council house Most of them should be made available for tenants to buy but a small proportion should, as l say, be reserved for people who find themselves temporarily in a desperate situation to help them while they sort themselves out
I find it amazing that I was born in Britain worked all my life paid my taxes but married a Russian lady and she is not entitled to anything as her Visa states no recall to public funds Ok my responsibilty to take care of my wife and I happily do this albeit she is not even entitled to job seekers allowance or college as that also is Government funded unlike all E.U. members that are ripping our system apart claiming anything and everything including queue jumping for British Citizens who have wated years to be allocated houses and to add insult to injury these people will then expect their rent to be paid by housing benefit. No wonder we are millions in the red it is time this and past Governments look after genuine British people. Before anyone asks I definatly am not a member of the B.N.P. I am labour through and through
But if priority will still be given to the homeless then these imigrants will still get the houses, since they will be homeless upon arrival into the UK, so how will this change anything?
I'm British born & bred, my husband is a hardworking man from outside the EU. Despite me having put into the system for 18 years, & him contributing tens of thousands over 5 years via tax & NI, NEITHER of us are allowed to claim ANYTHING from the government until my husband gets permanent leave to remain. How on earth is it fair that I, & my child, who are both BRITISH do not have any claim to council housing or benefits & are struggling financially whilst these scroungers come to the country, sit on their backsides pumping out yet more mouths for the British taxpayers to clothe & feed, and get everything handed to them on a plate?! And then they have the cheek to moan that it's not enough?!! It's no wonder that hard working people think negatively about immigrants. My husband is an immigrant but works at least 8 hours a day, 7 days a week. Why are we suffering whilst these layabouts sit watching their plasma TVs & procreating?
So if 1 in 12 council houses are occupied by non-UK citizens that makes 92% occupied by British people. Not such a good headline that way round! It's very easy to pick on cases such as the Horvatovas. Some DM readers may have even seen similar cases in their own areas. But overall British people get the lion's share of council houses. Another 'inconvenient statistic' - less than 5% of new council house lettings go to foreign nationals (source ONS 2009). It's easy to see a non-white face next door and assume that the country is being overrun. A quick bit of research into the numbers and you will see that it's simply not true!
Maybe now my daughters will finally be given a council property. They have been on the list for years and have had to watch immigrants get council properties within days of arriving in OUR country. My daughters were BORN HERE I was BORN HERE as was my wife and both our parents. We have had to watch them struggle to pay excess rent on their privately rented properties. They have worked and paid all their dues, but to no avail when properties have come available. The council say that immigrants have priority and, although we were overcrowded whe they lived with us, as did their children and a daughter with her husband, we had to watch immigrants get 5 bedroom properties from the council for having less people than we had.
This has to be wrong becuse if you believe the print media, all immigrants get a free 10 bedrooom house with 54 inch flat screen TV and free car.
i'll believe that when i see it.
Councils will consider 'the desire of local people' when they are deciding housing policy, he added. Sounds great on paper but if you live in somewhere like Walthamstow or Tower Hamlets the council is filled with racists who despise white people and take every opportunity to create policies that discriminate against us. Time we took our country back. Sadly I don't think the coalition have any intention of doing anything as all politicians are increasingly irrelevant now we have had EU rule imposed on us. They are just out for themselves now. Just look at Blair.
Well Tony from Rotherham they have already started the first step in what you are suggesting will come next - £20k tax grab on your estate who will that benefit? taking money from dormant accounts who will that benefit? 6 months after probate your house can be taken if its not sold and the local authority can do what the hell it likes with that house let it to who its likes......who said to buy a home and it was yours? we have taken every penny in equity release and we will keep on doing so the beggars are getting nothing else off ME or mine! we shall do what we like with the money released give it away hoard it do what we like but NO government is going to get what I have worked all my life for and everyone else should do the same that should stuff em!
A local connection could be deemed only 6months. So arrive in UK rent for 6 Months, get evicted, made homeless and get council house. It works belive me
We all know that immigrants are higher priority than our own. As soon as they are given leave to remain immigration status in the UK. it is advised on the LTR letter they are now entitled to social housing, and full benefits, so they come off of Social Services care (if they have children) or NASS and go straight to the front of the queue for EVERYTHING as they are deemed "vunerable". As for the europeans, they only have to have kids and they too are given priority to housing, so as they can enjoy a stable family life in the UK. I know I am not alone when I say I am sick to the back teeth of this abuse of our system. Time to pull up the drawbridge, stop the free housing, free healthcare, free education for non English speaking pupils, non payment of council tax, free travel passes, prescriptions, dental care and watch them all scuttle back off "home" and good riddence to them. Cameron, do SOMETHING about this - or you will be OUT come the next election!
"Back in our country my husband cleaned schools" is this the skilled immigrant workforce that brown used to tell us we needed ?
No wonder they are coming here in droves.Where else in the world could you go and live for free.This couple are only in their twenties with SEVEN children and no doubt will go on to have many more.We taxpayers have to fund these freeloaders.Yet we are told there is no money for people to retire at 65. If these people cannot support themselves they should be sent straight back to where they came from.The Lab/Con/ Libs will do nothing that is why support for the BNP and EDL is growing.
Time we did something. The powers that be know we won't which is why they get away with it. If you tried this in Australia the people would rise up. This is Frankfurt school politics.
The levels of resentment over working taxpayers being treated as second class seems to be rising,will there ever be any government brave enough to deal with the problem before Enoch Powells visions become reality.
"It's not just the European community, loads of Brazilian families are coming here & jumping the list too! What's that about. I didn't know that Brazil was part of the European Community?! - Winston, Tottenham, 30/8/2010 11:55 The answer to that is easy, Brazilians (who speak Portuguese), enter via Portugal which is an EU member. From experience, those who enter UK are not exactly the cream of the crop either.
I have been on my local council's housing waiting list for 16 years! - Charlotte Lewis, Croydon, 30/8/2010 10:59 What have you been doing for 16 years? What would happen if we all sat on the housing list expecting the rest of society to subsidise us?
Although I do not agree with it how many people wouldnt relocate to the uk from a easten european country knowing you get free housing, benefits, NHS, decent schools for your kids etc. The goverment need to get a grip they are causing all the resentment/racisim that is building up in communities, it isnt the immigrants to blame they obviously know when they get here they have it made. It is our goverment who allow the influx to continue!! A few years go I was talking to a Bulgarian man in Bulgaria who called the UK the GOLDEN COUNTRY EVERYTHINGS FREE. To me that says it all.
How does this family, and thousands like them, make a case for Labours policy of mass immigration. They have contrbuted nothing, and as the learn more about the system, they too will realise that there is no point in finding a job as they are probably already bringing in more than a family on the average wage
So in the average UK parliamentary constituency seven houses last year went to people from new-EC countries. Why is this news? - TonyB, Melbourne, Australia, 30/8/2010 3:37 No Tony, it is NOT news, it is Tory supportive Anti-Labour propaganda....read between the lines !
It is worth remembering that britain is a nation of immigrants, historically we are all the descendats of some group or other that have moved into this land. Immigrants really have just as much right to be here as the so called English, Welsh and Scottish, and should be given every avaliable means of help to settle.
This is a ridiculous situation and grossly unfair.Why allow people in if they have no job prospects?The net result will be hardship for indiginous people, who no doubt have contributed to the system already and growing ill feeling on the estates and streets of our towns and cities.
John Major's gift to the UK - unrestricted immigration from the EU. As he said at the time we did not need restrictions, perhaps he should have listened to Tony Blair who was then to inherit the problem.
No where else in the world would this Alice in Wonderland attitude be repeated by local authorities, not forgeting, it's at the expence of those indigenous families.Its a mad, mad ,mad UK
The British public will do nowt about it and the excuses for politicians responsible will carry on corrupting and debasing our country. Slap a Briton in the face and he just turns the other cheek, no balls, and no future.
i,ll believe it when i see it with my own eye,s but i wont be holding my breath.
I have been on my local housing list for 2 years, not long compared to others, but I am told I have no chance of even been considered as there are too many above me. I literally had no where to live, but turned away. I see many others from EU and various places all manage to get fixed up. I was told I was not priority !
my husband and i both work,have 4 children and live in council rented property.we dont rely on state benifit of any sort, yet we are not in the position to buy a property yet.we would love a bigger house but have no chance really.well unless we both gave up our jobs and went on the dole.it angers me that these people can come into our country get given money,clothes ,furniture and houses.i think its about time charity started at home.im getting fed up with these stories that are printed week in week out.us brits must be the laughing stock of the world.
Closing the gate after the horse has bolted.
Why am I not surprised this happens again ? Yes we should put our own people first. Every other country in the world does. I have lived in many countries and always comapre the way the people of those countries are allowed to put their national flags up without concern of 'offending' others. Always teach their own history, languages and culture and not the minorities who go to live there. The also, most importantly, don't give benefits to people who have not contributed into the system. It should be like a bank - if you haven't made a 'deposit' - you cannot make a 'withdrawal'. Simple really and cost effective !! That would stop the influx of 'job-seekers' etc. Why do we have English homeless people who cannot access housing and benefits whilst foreigners walk straight in and get the lot AND still complain. Tony Blair wrecked the country and walked away a multi millionaire. Shame
The betrayal of the British people started with Heath and its gone on from there
I'm married to a Philippine girl and she can't understand why British government this sort of thing to happen. In her country Philippine people come first not the other way around. I think this country needs to have a major revolt and make these governments we elect realise that this is England (whats left of it) and English people should come first. Never mind political correctness, Human rights etc. We seem to be a dumping ground for migrants and this country can't afford it. Lets do something about it eh?
""About time they made it the same as the Isle of Man. . . I believe there, you have got to be a permanent resident on the island for 5 years before your even considered for a Council house although their Benefits system is based on the same as ours. - Stephen E. W. Robb, Reading, Berkshire UK, 30/8/2010 06:53"" We have a points based system for social housing. You either have to have been born here (which gives you extra points to start with) or have been living here for 10 years before you can even put your name on the waiting list. However, there is still no social housing as once people are in they never move out, even if they have a good income. I know people who own very successful businesses, have huge cars, a couple of foreign holidays a year, all the latest mod cons, etc, who live in Commissioners' houses. Then there are people like us who live virtually on the breadline paying a huge rent in the private sector. The benefits system is slightly different to the UK.
the article says councils can decide,dont hold your breath,especilly if your council is run by labour
The loophole is this: if you apply for, or have a council property, and have deliberately made yourself homeless - you will not, repeat, not be housed or rehoused. If people leave their home countries to come here, they too have made themselves deliberately homeless and should go to the bottom of the queue. Of course people cannot wait to get here - they know they will get priority, and have more rights than the indigenous people, or at least, those who have lived here and contributed to the system over generations. Use the loophole. Thats what its for. And give priority to those who have lived here all their lives. Its a joke. And the world knows it. Thats why they are on their way here now as we speak.
Bring back Lady T's "Right to buy" but, this time, use the money to build more council houses.
And we have been told for ages by various politicians that this sort of thing wasn't happening. It's not immigration from outside the EU we ought to be stopping...it's immigration from within the EU that is the Trojan Horse of this era. What a pity that no politician has the guts to stand up and say what needs to be said. The decline of Britain began with the abolishment of corporal punishment in schools and the cessation of National Service coupled with the rise of PC...and I'm afraid that it is now too late to "reverse the tanker". The decline will continue. Having been born in 1944 I think I can say that I saw Britain at its best....and am now witness to it at its worst.
You voted Labur for all those years. Now you have to pay for it. Very simple. Don't do it again.
A better life for the children, of course there will be, with all the hand outs, housing, rent paid, council tax paid, income support, family credit. It will be like hitting the jackpot. There is resentment and rightly so. I thought there was going to be a cap on migrants entering the UK, yeah, right, pull the other one, it has bells on it. What the Government will do, is take money from the indigenous population, who have paid their dues. One day soon, there will be a real public upsurge, as the nation tries to cling on to what little it has left.
Tell us something new this has been going on for years.Weve all been told that if we the british public say anything we were racist? I waited on the council waiting list for nine years living in a two bedroom flat with four kids and the council would not rehouse us.Ive seen some of my neighbours living in damp housing and the council would not rehouse them.
my friend Ben lives in a privately owned flat with 4 of the other 5 flats being council tenants, and his upstairs neighbour is single Kurdish man. How does a single man get given a 2 bedroom council flat ? He is actually a lovely man but it is the principle- none of us as single people with no children could get a 2 bed council flat , that is why we buy or rent privately!
I'm sorry but the jobs that immigration was supposed to fill, these are mostly mythical. And they always were. So a family from the Czech Republic travel here on spec, despite having no job prospects and having made no contributions of any kind, within days (only days mind you) of their arrival they have a house. Funny how these people always know exactly where to go to get what they want. The man of the house has jobseekers' allowance, willing to bet he had that about five minutes after he arrived too. My one and only foray into an attempt to get JA I was told (despite having contributed every day of my working life -- over twenty years), that it would take at least six weeks, and there was this condition and that condition... I gave up. I have never bothered with any of that since.
There are people who will benefit from this situation, not the taxpayer of course but corporate entities who can keep wages down as a result of mass immigration. They also have more consumers to provide services for (paid for by us). The same people can also afford to live well away from the social problems. It's a win win for them.
The question is, why do families come here with no job or place to live? Would you upsticks and take your family to a strange country whithiut a home or job. They MUST be aware that with a large family they will jump the housing queue in the UK and be given benefits otherwise they would stay where they are! The vast in majority of these people are in no danger in their own country, they come because they will be given a home and benefits!
No more council houses and no more long,inheritable tenancies either. Those who want subsidised housing must be told that they are dependent on the goodwill of the taxpayers who bhave to provide their own homes than contribute to those who take up public housing. No more council houses for anyone who has just immigrated; in fact no council houses at all for those who have paid no taxes/NICs at any point in their lives. And no right of abode in a house that's too large for the person or persons inhabiting it. Move them out into something more suitable and use the lkarger places for those in desperate need. In my opinion council hpouses should never have been allowed to bevcome possessions for life and beyond; they should be a refuge for the really needy/desperate. Council tenants with cars, flat-screen Tvs, multiple children and all ther est are neither poor nor desperate; they're just lazy, feckless and parasitical.
Well if I was to go to other EU countries...with out job and money together with my family..I wouls be entitle to claim the benefits that that country have in place to help its natives... But I would be worried if I did not have a job, no money and have my family with me say in places like Africa or perharps India or may be Turkey or lets say China, we could also say the Caribbean countries..Yes !! I would have to be homeless definately...no help no notting... EU is one community in Europe..all the 27 member put money into a pot to help each other countries...that is why there is free movement !!!!! What do Britain benefits from NON EU COUNTRIES????? BURDEN..LARGE PAY OUT ON BENEFITS AND SOCIAL HOUSES IN LONDON ESPECIALY!!!! NO ONE TALK ABOUT THIS NIGHT MERE !!!!!! WHY ????? AFRIAD OF BEING BRAND RACIST...WHAT LAWS ARE THERE TO PROTECT BRITIS BREAD AND BORN ????
I have a sister with three children 2 boys and 1 daughter and has been living in a 2 bedroomed flat for 10 years with my sister sleeping on the living room floor. (her eldest son has special needs and needs his own room) She has been told that she hasn`t much chance of being offered anything bigger as there isn`t anything to offer her. dee, bucks, 30/8/2010 0:19 No offence, but if your sister has been in that position for over 10 years, why has she not tried to sort herself out with a good job? Any help from a partner/children's father? The majority of people who are angry at this scenario are the ones who are desperate for council homes too. And lets face it, British or non British you are in the same position - claiming benefits and trying to get council houses.
When we came to Spain we didn't expect to get any form of benefits or housing even if we had we wouldn't have got anything. Is this the reason we don't have all these eastern european immigrants here ? Wise up Britain the EU isn't forcing us to take them and i'm damned sure they're not forcing you, I would suggest however that you can lay this policy at the labour party's door. DAVE GET A GRIP !
We have got to pass our own law to say that migrants to this country are not allowed to claim benefits for at least 2 years. France are doing something about this outrage so should we.
Oh Please - lets just set our expectations a little higher here. Why are British people even trying to compete for awful Council houses - who on earth in their right mind really wants one - Do what I did and what many other families do, and stay at home or with other relatives for a set period of time, buy absolutely nothing and I mean NOTHING for 3-5 years - no trips to the pub, no new clothes, no holidays, focus on the goal. My husband and I did all that and wore the same 6-7 outfits for 2 years, it hurt a lot , but we saved the deposit to buy our first house. Do 2-3 jobs if you have to. Have some respect - stop expecting things to be given to you. Start small or somewhere cheaper even if it means you have to be creative about commuting. I know people who commute 2 hours each way to work to get a house in the beautiful countryside with good schools. Please think outside this awful cradle to grave benefits life. Council houses should be temporary & for the destitute or infirm.
Its not the systems fault, its the government that shouldve put a control on how many people they let in. And yet they still open the flood gates to many more when they are up to the brim of people with no homes or jobs. Too late now.
I didn't realise there were any council houses left, I though Margaret Thatcher had sold them all
And they wonder why we are sick and tired of people telling us we need MORE immigrants. PLEASE LISTEN to the citizens of this country for once. We are heading for major civil unrest if this continues to go on. Our already large population is not being looked after, and they will turn on the people who permit us to be treated in this way.
Yes and as per usual, if a soldier leaving the forces, after serving abroad for years, wishes to get on the waiting list, he is told he is not entitled as he left the country of his own accord. You can't make this up. If EU migrants enter the UK they should be given 3 months to find and prove they have work. The local councils should prove this beyond doubt to stop the scams of which the Eastern Europeans are renouned for. If not they should to be sent back to their country of origin and then banned from re-entry until they have work and housing lined up and once again 100% confirmed by the authorities. This is not racist - It is common sence. Homeless and workless EU migrants are straining this economy. Of course their own governments are languishing in the knowledge that the UK is footing the bill. Brussels knew that there would be an influx of economic migrants to socially sound countries but does nothing the stop it. Neither does the UK Border Agency.
Well at least they have finally admitted to something that EVERYONE ELSE has known for years. Maybe one day they will come clean and agree that most of these people have no valid right to Asylum and are nothing more than economic scroungers. Then they may have a revelation as to why law-abiding, hard working people like myself are turning to the BNP and/or UKIP. We are seeing moves to end the right to council housing for life. How long will it be before home-owners are forced by Law to sell their homes under the guise of "its too big for you now" and forced to move into the social/private dog kennels currently being thrown up around the country that are called "houses"? Or worse, maybe we will be forced to rent out our spare rooms to these unwanted characters? Looks like the Revolution is still coming folks.
But Zanu Lie-bore swore blind this didn't happen, do you reckon they were lying? Can't believe it! LOL.
I have been on my local council's housing waiting list for 16 years!
if the government and these do goody too shoes councils think this is ok I have a message for you (IT BLOODY WELL IS NOT) IF FAMILIES COME FROM OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNTRY THEN NO MATTER HOW MANY POINTS THEY ACCRUE THEY SHOULD BE BOTTOM OF THE PILE NOT TOP
When are the government going to listen to us? EU nationals should work and contribute for a year before they are entitled to any assistance, then only the same as their native country....... Non EU nationals, we should only offer the equivalent of their homeland......or a space in a dormitory with food (not cash) provided. Other assistance can be provided by charities...... We seem to be punching above our weight assisting with worldwide disasters, at some stage we have to look after our own
At least these council houses will be going to hard-working, enterprising people, which migrants invariably are, and not to the lazy benefit-addicted work-shy home-grown semi-drunk chavs that we have here. - Geoff, EU, 30/8/2010 3:59 Seeing as the family featured in the article are gypsies on job seekers allowance that puts paid to your theory doesn't it? As for the rest of the whingers on here, guess what, this is YOUR fault. YOU voted for this. There is only one party that will put a stop to this nonsense once and for all. Think very carefully. If you think this is bad you haven't seen anything yet. There are millions, not thousands, millions of Turks with their bags packed waiting for the EU green light to invade our country. This may come as a shock to you, but whining on the DM website day in day out will get you absolutely nowhere. If you're serious about stopping this once and for all, do as I did and vote appropriately in the ballot box.
It's not just the European community, loads of Brazilian families are coming here & jumping the list too! What's that about? They are all over my community & have no respect for their neighbours or the council rules. They persistently cause a nuisance, when they move in, suddenly their entire family start turning up with suitcases, living in 2 bedroom flats, I know this, as every time one arrives they go out in the street & have a party & keep the neighbourhood awake till the early hours of the morning, they let their young kids run riot on their own after midnight. I asked one of them if they were on holiday, & they said no, they'd come over from Sao Paulo to get a place to live. I didn't know that Brazil was part of the European Community?! What's going on with the Immigration people? The Floodgates seem to be open to other countries. We wouldn't get the same allowances in their countries that's for sure.
In 1965, Hammersmith Borough Council told my mother she didn't have a hope in hell of being re-housed as they had too many immigrants from India, Pakistan, Africa and the West Indies all needing council homes. This was in spite of being on the waiting list from 1952. We had one cold water tap, no bathroom, and any electrical appliance had to be fitted into w two switch from the light-socket where possible.. Consequently, over the years my parents divorced and my family scattered all across the UK through not being able to afford to live in the area we grew up in. And politicians tell us that this doesn't happen. My family is one of many. Our country has betrayed us over and over again in favour of immigrants. Is it any wonder the BNP look promising to us?
why are we instantly giving homes to foreigners wherever they come from. No wonder life is better here when they are getting jobseekers allowance, child benefit for each of their children, rent and council paid for, free prescriptions and eye tests and education. No matter how compassionate this country is to others in the world our little country is not a welfare state for the world.
I fainted, almost, when I read: 'Thousands of Eastern European citizens are given council houses every year'. Such a disgrace, indeed sickening. For goodness sake Council Homes were never built to house foreign families!!
We do not get a reciprocal agreement in the countries they come from. Why should we give them houses and benefits when they give us nothing if we go to their countries. We are overcrowded. The only people who want this one sided arrangement are the people who are making money out of them.
How long before we are told this is an “unlawful” policy being indirect discrimination? About as long as people take to forget the headline.
This sort of talk was illegal and blotted out by the Media when the BNP mentioned it , now all of a sudden we can all talk about it , hippocracy.!!! Democracy is slowly being removed from this country.
LISTENING TO HELENA HORVATOVA, she obviously thinks we are all on her level of mentality, and will be totally swayed by the fact that her husband was a cleaner in Poland, and there is not a vacancy [in their area]!!!! HAVE YOU HEARD ANYTHING LIKE THAT RUBBISH.- the highly specialised art of cleaning, I understand only allows just a few applicants a year, maybe??
I lived in the UK for 13 years, always working, from little part-time jobs to full-time vacancies. Always paid tax. I left in 2003. But if I moved back tomorrow I would not expect to get instant cash for housing, benefits or receive free medical care. Only because I once worked there. Where is that supposed to come from?
I am a teacher and my husband works in a factory. Despite both of us working our socks off there is no way we could afford to buy a home in our area - the area we both grew up in and where our families are. We didn't even bother to apply for social housing - what would be the point? So we're stuck renting and will probably never get a foot on the housing ladder. I am not a racist but I am beginning to feel like one when I see these stories and my blood boils at the injustice of it all. How can this be happening? Where is the corresponding parity in other EU countries - surely if it'd be a human rights violation for us to deny these people access to our benefits and social housing they should be able to claim this from their own country of origin? I am so bitter about this. We are emigrating, leaving our family, friends and home behind to join my brother in New Zealand as soon as we can, just so we can have a chance - and will expect to support ourselves when we do!
Please, please remember our own Queen signed the Lisbon treaty! She has been around and in charge longer than any single politician or political party. She has signed 6 treaties which were illegal. 1. The European Communities Act 1972. 2. The Single European Act, 1986. 3. The Maastricht Treaty, 1992. 4. The Amsterdam Treaty, 1997. 5. The Nice Treaty 2001. 6. The Lisbon Treaty 2008. (Formerly the Reform Treaty) Together with Churchill, King George VI saved our nation; he was a Monarch to be proud of. But his daughter the Queen is the only monarch to have broken all her coronation oaths, by signing these six treaties that abolish our common law, the British Constitution, the British and English nations, and our sovereignty. She has also committed treason, together with co-signatories Ted Heath, Margaret Thatcher, John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
Enough is enough - some British are not jumping the queue they have been pushed to the bottom of the queue because of the migrants. But I will believe this when it happens, with the P C brigade and Human Rights lawyers it may be we need to change the law if the government is brave enough to do it.
We should have a system of British homes for British people, like we should have British jobs for British people first. We need to get our country back into being British instead of this mongrel state of "multi-cultural". This country has a system of foreigners first and screw the natives, now that is wrong! Maybe we should adopt more draconian systems for these things and say that "you need to have had a permanent residence for a minimum of 5 years before you cna be considered for social housing", "no more than 2 kids for immigrants", if you cant pay your way to buy a house and support your family for 2 years then you aint coming in" etc etc.
This family sicken me .They cant afford to keep 6 children in their own country so lets go to england have another.We will get a house and all the other gifts that go with it.When are we going to get a goverment that is going to do what the voters wont.By the time this goverment get a grip it will be far to later.We have already run out of time.Do the same as the france are doing.Put them all on a plan and fly them back to the country that they left.France are not given two hoots what the eu say,they are cleaning up unwanted guests good on them.I live in Germany but still pay uk tax but cant return to the uk because no housing available in the town that my family have lived all their lives.
All of you that have left a comment on here re the above MUST send a letter/email to your local MP or Parliament to complain about this blatant discimination of British Nationals..........their details are on the web. If we keep quiet, this will be allowed to continue.....it's UNFAIR and UNBRITISH....and we have had enough!! It is allowed to continue because we sit back, moan but do NOTHING.
I came here 10 years ago before all this unrestricted travelling between EU countries, had to prove that I could speak basic English, had a job to go to and could provide for myself. I am renting privately and not once have i claimed any benefits, even when I was out of work for 3 months and it makes me angry that people come here and are allowed to reek in all the benefits and housing pretty much straight away. People that contributed to this country by paying their taxes the most should be made priority for social housing. That way homes go to the ones that deserve them most and not the scroungers, britsh or foreign!
Maybe the MOS could get Trevor Phillips to give his views in an answer and question session that might include the very man he is hounding to death - Nick Griffin MEP!
My landlord decided to sell up and gave me notice. The council told me I'd have to be physically on the street before I could get a council place, yet people come from other countries and are given council houses. Something isn't right here. If I go to another town, I'll be told I can't get a council place because I don't have a "local connection", so how do people from overseas get a place - they don't have a local connection.
The problem is these migrants are classed as homeless so jump the queue. Our citizens who have been on the queue for years usually have a friend or relative to put them up so are not homeless. If migrants don't have a sponsor or accommodation when they arrive on our shores they should be denied social housing.
Many years ago in the UK, if you became unable to support yourself you were sent back to your parish or origin, so they could pay for your upkeep. It was called 'Removal Orders' as it was considered unfair for people who had no connexion to you to have to support you. It was part the poor law resettlement act of 1662.
"Expatriate , Hamburg" forgive me if I contradict your statement as I think it should be "the only country in the world to treat its native-born citizens as dirt ." How long will you tolerate this ? Where would anyone be given a house and job-seekers allowance days after arriving in a country ? People here just do not believe me when I try to tell them ridiculous stories like this .
How come they are getting them? As I keep saying, behind every idiotic PC decision in local government, lies a lefty loony, making themselves feel happy about themselves at your expense.
As a serving soldier i know when i leave the Army next year i will be placed at the very bottom of any housing list, i also know that i will not be entitled to half the benefits these foreigners get. I fully realise that i get a pension (£450 a month) but then again, i did pay all my taxes, national insurance, served my country for 20 odd years, fought 3 conflicts, sustained injuries that will effect me for the rest of my life, but hey, as long as the immigrants are happy why should i complain! Kind of makes the past 20 years of my life somewhat pointless.
I agree with all the comment about why should those who have never contributed swan in and get council houses, why should those who come from outside UK jump to from of the queue. However many are sheer hypocrisy! Today many, many British people are struggling under the burden of housing costs. Often these people look with envy at those who have the ease and security and lower rent of council property. Whereas there may once have been a stigma attached to council housing today this has gone - in the private sector many are terrified they will lose their house and what then! Countless 'indigenous' UK residents have never really 'contributed' , made minimal contribution, or are evoking emotive images of past ancestors contributions. Solve this problem - make council housing temporary for 1 to 2 years for those most in need. No child benefit for more than 2 kids. End benefit tourism in EU - no right of settlement to those who cannot support themselves.
3 bedrooms is quite enough. one for the parents, one for the boys and one for the girls. here in Israel it is quite normal to only have a 3 bedroom house or apartment. many religious people have large families with 8, 9 or even more children and manage very well with only 3 bedrooms. these people should count themselves lucky that they have a council house in the first place when they've in the UK for such a short time.
Haha life is so easy in England!
And we wonder why the EDL exist! This is what is causing racial unrest in the UK! For me the biggest insult is being called a racist when you voice your concern of the immigration policy! And yes, I live and work in Spain. I can assure you if I didn't work, I wouldn't be getting any handouts here and I certainly wouldn't be able (or expect) to jump the queue in front of Spanish Nationals.
I work for a private landlord in the Manchester area, over the last few years we have seen an influx of foreigners into the area wanting to rent homes. The majority of them being Africans never stay for the duration of the tennancy agreement because they are offered council houses within weeks. I know of several families who are living in severely overcrowded conditions who have been told they have no chance of being given a bigger council house yet they have to sit back and watch the houses being given away to people who have just arrived in the country and were already living in suitable homes.
If the average Briton waits over six years for a council house, how come immigrants are getting them almost immediately Stephen, Vancouver, Canada., 30/8/2010 Very simple Stephen, they send a family member to Uk. He moves into a bed sit. The rest of the family then move in with him and he and the property is overcrowded. They cannot be sent back as they are part of the EU, and the housing rules say that overcrowding is a top of the list jump. Once they are in social housing they are there to stay. It is called British Stupidity.For a cure call Mr Sarcozy, in France.
Good job Edward Meakins was allowed to stay in his home, especially after reading this article. Use your vote wisely when we next get the opportunity!!!
Should no longer be called Great Britain , it should now be called The United States of Europe ,whats the point , its not for British people any more !!!!!!!!
TAKE RESPONSIBILTY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. The majority of the British public voted for the 3 main parties last June. They knew perfectly well the policy of each was NOT to curb mass immigration or the human rights act or take on the left wing EU Commission. I am in a minority it would seem, judging by the votes cast. I don't like the way this country is going but have to accept the majority rule, it's called democracy. PS, I did not vote BNP either.
God save us. The EU has turned our beautiful little island into a ghetto. What's the worst bit is that we are paying for it ourselves. The politicians have led us sleepwalking into a nightmare it is difficult to see us coming out of.
If these people have no job to come to then they should not be allowed in, and there should definitely be a qualifying period of say 12 months before benefits of any sort, including housing, are granted. We are far too soft and all the world knows it, otherwise they would not come here. If people without jobs are allowed in they should be able to prove that they have enough money to see them through for 12 months, including housing, so that they will not be a drain on this country.
There is nothing great about a coucil flat, we live in one. Most of the people round here are the salt of the earth working class, but about 20% are chavs, we have had our cat shot with and air rifle, car radio stolen (twice) and been burgled. On an estate a few miles away, there were 6 stabbings and two murders last year. Can't wait till cashflow is better, then we are off, back to private. Can't wait.
I have a terminal illness it took my 13 years to get a home ,the place i got is part of a multi-million pound development in London ,I'm the only British born resident while i know of older resident's living in old pre-war housing while foreigners live in luxury .
I had to wait two and a half years for a council flat in a not so nice area after I got married. I think it is disgusting that we hand out homes to people who come here and havent contributed anything. Its the same with benefits, if you havent worked so many years and contributed your national insurance contributions in full, you only get a part pension. Why then are we dishing out money willy nilly to people who come into this country who havent done anything for this country and its economy. We are soft in the head and in the next few years, there wont be any money left in the pot because the people who dont work will outstrip the ones who do. We need to do something now about it, if we cant rehome our own, then we shouldnt rehome anyone else.
"Far easier to discriminate against the british national, no-one will fight their corner for them". - Fedup Taxpayer, UK, 30/8/2010 0:18 Not quite correct - one party will - you all know which one. But they can't be expected to do it unless you vote for them in large numbers.
We have a scheme in lewisham london called lewisham home search to help people move, but our undemocratic directly elected mayor and the inner cabinet change the scheme what goes against what the scheme was originally set up for. It will now favour immigrants who are homeless instead of helping the british familes in over crowded housing to move. They changed the criteria of the scheme how people are judged to their priority. Before people could reject properties but now its one choice and if its refused you go to the bottom of the scheme priority. This is labour controlled council all over, slap down the british families in need in favour of immigrants.
All of the 3 "main" political parties have, and will continue to, betray the British people but when it comes to election time we continue to vote them into power to carry on with their traitorous acts. Will we ever learn and vote for anyone but them to see if we can find a patriotic government that puts the British people first?
Odysseus G Osborne: "I was replaced by immigrants in my job in 1996, 2001 and then in 2008. I finally moved countries. ". Where presumably you're depriving a native of a job. Funny that so many here never have a problem with immigration if they're the immigrant.
Keep on writing to your MP, to the government minister - keep on making a nuisance of yourselves . Get organised - hold marches whatever it takes.
Outrageous,but not surprising.It really is about time we behaved like France and put our own people first.
This sort of rubbish leaves me speechless. Sack the people responsible and start the process of "charity starts at home" If I went to Czech Republic without a job and knocked on the Social Services door, would I get money and a house ---- I don't think so.
We are constantly being told by pro-immigration advocates that it is necessary to fill jobs, yet examples like this are endless where the head of a large family is unemployed and they are costing a fortune to keep. Crazy!
oh please!! your preaching to the choir here,,, i live in Hackney, this as been goin on for years.....i know friends that have been on the housing list for decades and are still waiting...I've already been told,being single fit and mid age...i have no chance...i was told it would be easier if i were a single mother,homeless immigrant, immigrant family or very unhealthy. when i bid for a place every week here in hackney. i'm always in the top five to begin with, the next time i check on the bidding. I've slipped down to 75 or 125 on the list.. i have no chance because, i'm single and fit for my age...
About time they made it the same as the Isle of Man or something similar in other countries. I believe there, you have got to be a permanent resident on the island for 5 years before your even considered for a Council house although their Benefits system is based on the same as ours.
Is there any doubt why far right groups are growing, I hope the grow until we have major political change in Britain, twelve years of Labour have destroyed the country.
"The 27-year-old (Helena Horvatová) was allocated the property by Peterborough council in March, days after the family (SEVEN children)arrived from the Czech Republic. Her 29-year-old husband does not work." So, the house is paid for by the UK taxpayer, add on the various benefits this famly is ENTITLED to, and then tell me in what way they are an asset to the UK. He came here with no job to go to, so they are economic migrants pure and simple. In this world there are an infinite number of families just like this one. When will the new government get a grip on this insanity??
they should not be allowed to have these. If they come here they not only need to look after themselves but rent private and pay for it themselves.
Only 4,000????......Was that the National figure or the figure for 1 medium sized town??
It's a joke, a family arrive from another country and are given a house, this is totally unfair, whilst free movement is possible between E.U countries surely you should be able to fund the move and support yourself, when you arrive. This does note bode well for integration and will eventually cause a violent reaction!
Lets get this right and tie it right down as a fault of the system is underplaying it! It is a deliberate fault of the ousted Labour government with left wing views and town councils.
Why are British politicians failing to work for the interests of British people? This is a disgrace and it has to stop. These non-working families with numerous kids need to be deported immiediately because they contribute nothing and drain resources. If Sarkozy can remove Roma from France then Cameron can remove people like these from the UK. Come on Dave - Start working for Britain instead of just talking about it. If you want to cut costs this is where you need to start!
Finally!
They have no rights to social housing. As an EU resident they must prove they can financially support themselves. As I had to do in Cyprus with the Cypriot Authorities before I was allowed to stay, that included producing my band statements to show my income. You most certainly could not get "job seeker's allowance" or even access the NHS here. You are required to take out private health insurance and produce the certificate before permission to reside is given. Why is the UK alone in bucking the EU system?
Whilst our own folk are stuck on waiting lists for years on end.
"Councils will now be free to acknowledge ‘local connections’ in their policies." Well, that'll be a complete waste of time. Councils have has political correctness forced into them, that this new system will be completely ignored "just in case" there's a human rights challenge. More sound-bites, but no real action from Westminster.
I'm sure I've read stories of British families who have been refused council houses because they have, in the opinion of the local authority, made themselves homeless. If a family voluntarily leaves their own country to come to UK, without having first made arrangements for their accommodation, surely they, too, have made themselves homeless and so should also be refused council housing. I know that, if I wanted to bring my wife to UK from Thailand, I'd first have to prove to the UK Border Agency that I could support her financially AND that I could provide good accommodation for her. If I couldn't guarantee that, she would not be allowed entry into the country.
Liebour always denied this was happening and would never give us the correct figures. At the same time as they did this Nationalist organisations took advantage of the facts every one of us could see with our eyes day in day out. And in the areas hardest hit by long waiting list UK citizens would be left feeling resentment to those from other countries housed while they waited longer and longer. But the really cynical part about what Liebour was doing was that they engineered this influx to gain votes estimating that those they let in came from backgrounds sympathic to political views. But the worse part of the housing issue is yet to be told. How much is paid out in Housing Benefit to people from foriegn lands. Because the amount of private housing rented out to forign nationals is also something anyone with eyes can see is becoming one sided in some areas.
The boxed example of the Czech family says everything that is wrong with the system.... they came to Britain and he hasn't got a job. Simple... unless fleeing tyranny, suppression and death.. you can only come to Britain if you have a job to go to... even from the eu! The eu worker movement legislation was not about giving up your job in one country just to go and sit and wait for government support in another!!!!
Why are we NOT surprised?
The citizens advice bureau states, " In practice, even if you come from one of these countries, you won't automatically get benefits. For example, if youÂ’re an EEA jobseeker who has never worked in the UK, you won't be able to claim benefits like Income Support, income-based Jobseeker's Allowance, Child Benefit, Housing Benefit or Council Tax Benefit. But if you're an EEA worker who has been employed in the UK before becoming unemployed, you might be able to claim benefits whilst youÂ’re looking for new work. This depends on which EEA country you're from and how long you've worked in the UK." so how are they allowed to claim benefits when they have not contributed anything into the system, also as they have made there self homeless why are they getting priority, these EU rules need changing so that if any EU citizen has not been employed for more than 12 months they should be returned to there ordinary EU country.
Try going to Poland and demanding social housing! In fact just try going anywhere in the EU and demand free money,free medical treatment and free housing and just see where it gets you, the ONLY thing you will get is a one way flight back home. Only in the UK are the authorities weak and gullible enough to kick native British people down the list and give away housing and benefits to foreigners who have never contributed a penny into the system. The betrayal of the British people by those in positions of trust and authority is a national scandal. But instead of protests and withholding taxes we just accept it, we in fact deserve everything the establishment serve up!
Cameron's solution; You can't buy your council house! The man hasn't got the guts to do anything about the immigration problem, so he makes the little people, shoulder the burden of living with this unfairness!!!
Sorry, But I cant help but be gutted right now, I am 31, I saved extremley hard for my wedding this year ( no going out, no new clothes) And I did not want to start married life in debt. But!!!!!!!!!! When will we ever get on the housing market??!?!? It wont happen for us anytime soon....priced out of our own home town. I have to save over £30.000 deposit to be near my mum!! If I ever get the chance to have a child, I want to be near my mum. Sorry, but its true. And before the bashing starts about house prices.........No she is not middle class, My parents worked hard for what they have! Seems to me that, I get bashed for not having a child earlier, I get in trouble for wanting to live in the south east (my own home town) I get bashed for having parents who own thier own business and worked hard. My Fiancee is Australian, I have the feeling that we would have a better life there.....This sadly is the future of Britan. God bless you Uk, you were loved once. xxx
If the average Briton waits over six years for a council house, how come immigrants are getting them almost immediately.
Stand by: wait until Turkey is allowed into the European Union.
Disgusting, shameful, hiddious, cheek...... Of only possible in GREAT BRITAIN....... Because of the complete deficite in inteligence of the academic, social, political elite and establishment. The whole country is rotten to its very core. GREAT BRITAIN => The only country in the world to go out of its way to treat its citizens as dirt. Keep the day job up !
Try going to Poland and demanding social housing! In fact just try going anywhere in the EU and demand free money,free medical treatment and free housing and just see where it gets you, the ONLY thing you will get is a one way flight back home. Only in the UK are the authorities weak and gullible enough to kick native British people down the list and give away housing and benefits to foreigners who have never contributed a penny into the system. The betrayal of the British people by those in positions of trust and authority is a national scandal. But instead of protests and withholding taxes we just accept it, we in fact deserve everything the establishment serve up!
WHY are MPs not listening to the concerns of the electorate? WHY are the British being pushed to the back of every queue?
Putting aside the fact that they already had 6 children they still felt the need to have a 7th child in what is already an over crowded house, They have a free roof over their heads and financial support (I process benefits and with 7 children and 2 adults you are looking at a minimum of £600 a week in JSA Child Benefit and Child Tax Credit). If the price for that along with free health care and schooling is being a bit squashed then it's a small price to pay. When I was growing up I had to share a bedroom with my brother and sister and we all had to travel to our secondary school which was 5 miles away in Dover and not at anytime did we feel hard done by,
It is cases like that of the Horvatova family that infuriate the hard working, truly British people who cannot benefit from social housing allocations because they are too far down the waiting lists.
Absolute disgrace
No wonder that they're flocking to the UK in droves. How sick for the locals especially those who have paid taxes all their lives and haven't got a home
This could only happen in the UK, you must all be nuts to allow it. Quick question, why do you allow it?
You're sunk!
I did plumbing maintenance in housing association homes before I emigrated 3 years ago.Worked in alot of homes I could never afford that were occupied by families of imigrants that all stayed at home all day.Know im an imigrant over here,but I pay my own way.Had enough in the end,if you speak out,your just a racist,never mind that you work hard and pay taxes.Couldn't hack it in england anymore,much happier over here,theres oppotunity for people that work hard,not two fingers from politicians that youv'e elected.
You're sunk!
Frankly while I am not surprised at the news item - I am utterly disgusted by it. While accepting that "‘Most of these lettings are likely to be to long-standing residents of the UK who have kept their foreign nationalities.’ may well apply to the majority of instances it beggars belief that even a small number of foreign nationals can apply.
You're sunk unless you take back your country. I miss it but I'm relieved that I emigrated.
This makes me sick, I was made homeless at 8 months pregnant with my 1st child Because the private flat I rented was sold. I couldn't qualify for any housing with my council because I didn't have enough points!! At the time I needed help from our system I was shunned. I worked full time and paid taxes since I was 17 for nearly ten years. My parents have both worked full time for over 40 years.
You're sunk unless you take back your country. I miss it but I'm relieved that I emigrated.
An absolute shambles. My niece and boyfriend who works his guts out to provide for their child cannot get a look in, they've been on the housing list for five years now and they've been told they'll have to wait another two years and wait for it, at least.
I know this story to be true as my daughter had experience of this nature some while ago. She has three children and a husband from whom she has since divorced. They were living in a rented house when the owner decided he wanted to sell. He went to the court and obtained a conviction order. My daughter went to the local authority who were quite open in admitting that homeless people from abroad have priority. She was told to come back on the morning of the conviction and she may be offered emergency accommodation. Her children may have to go into care. A prime example that being British and born in this country can be a distinct disadvantage
Good! At least these council houses will be going to hard-working, enterprising people, which migrants invariably are, and not to the lazy benefit-addicted work-shy home-grown semi-drunk chavs that we have here.
Why are the Horvatovas allowed to live in Britain, receive a council house and collect jobseekers allowance if he does not have a job?
You can't say that its obviously a deliberate policy of socialist supporting beauracrats in local government. A policy decided like so many department by department.
So in the average UK parliamentary constituency seven houses last year went to people from new-EC countries. Why is this news?
Just another kick in the teeth for being born British.
I was replaced by immigrants in my job in 1996, 2001 and then in 2008. I finally moved countries. People here too have been made redundant and their jobs outsourced twice or three times also. Everyone deserves as job and deserves a home. Why it has to be my job and my home I don't know...
Access to welfare benefits should only be available to people who have contributed to levels consistent with the sum they wish to claim. A bit like insurance really. Subscribe 10 pounds a week, eg. benefits claimable 15 pounds per week.Subscribe 20 pounds a week claim 30, etc. Payments in the form of NationaL Insurance payments and voluntary payments increments to insure against low benefits. There being a set maximum period / sum claimable. then government do gooders take over.and farm the kids out. This would help people judge whether to have more kids etc as they may not be able to afford them and so the kids would be taken into care and fostered out. And the tax payer would not be paying out cash to lazy scroungers.
How did they get a house in days?? I used to have a council flat when younger and I waited a full 10 months (plus the time on the list prior to that, whilst in adolescent care) as officially registered involuntarily homeless, and as a disabled 17 year old with no family, which was supposed to get me priority, and did as far as I know. Ive never known anyone get a house in days, family or not, and I've met many homeless people during time in emergency hostel accommodation.
It is d e p r e s s i n g . . . what else is there to say?
On the other page there is an article telling us that taxes will never go down nor will the cost of housing if you can find any, plus the government is bringing in a raft of new taxes to get you every time you breath. There's no real law & order anymore & the roads are always congested. We all know that it will never get better before we get old so it's really best to get out if you can everybody else is. It would be nice to see the Labour cabinet leaders brought to trial for humanity crimes against the nation & other nations, it would go some way to heal the wounds, restore some dignity & belief in politicians.
Introduce a 5yr qualifying period for taxable income and it will solve many problems..
I thought that if people from the new EU countries did not have a job to come to they would not be alllowed in.Why are they getting paid benefits as soon as they arrive? What good is a school cleaner from the Czech Republic,how is he contributing towards our society when he cannot get a job and bringing a large family over to claim all our benefits.This is sooooo wrong and surely is unsustainable. We are broke,how can we afford to keep all these.people?
Shouldn't those homes by right go towards the vulnerable indigenous population such as homeless people? We have more than enough English people who need help and aid from our Council/Government we don't need people from other Countries coming over and adding to the problem.
Of course... it has been happening for years. The British people have been abandoned by local and national government!
We should be looking after our own first in any case.... foreigners coming over here should should be made to have a contract for work and proof that they have either bought or proof of a house/flat rental agreement before they are even allowed into the Country.
New Labour's nightmare continues,
Does anyone seriously believe this problem will be solved. Cannot imagine what will happen when Turkey comes into play.
And THIS is supposed to surprise me? When all the British have been housed THEN and ONLY then should they be given a house. When they come into the country if they don't have a job or a home to come to they shouldn't be allowed in.
We have been being played for fools
My Great Great Grandfather fought for this country my Grandfather fought for this country, my Father fought for this country, & I fought for this country. I cant get a council house for me and my family and Im on a war pension. Im so happy we can accomadate them I hope they are settled in nicely and making it nicer with argos goods every fortnite. Cough cough!
So thats why the old feller was being turfed out of his home .
Housing minister Grant Shapps said: ‘It causes a great deal of concern and is very problematic for social cohesion...... Getting a bit nervous are we?
How shameful of the British government to put foreigners before people who have been waiting years for housing. Remember this when it comes to voting time. The government has betrayed all of us. Those waiting for housing, those on NHS waiting lists, schools who have to waste money on newcomers. BNP now have my vote for sure.
Another example of how Britian has been systematicallt destroyed. Could you imagine what would happen if someone with a UK passport went to another EU country and asked to be housed? There might be a right for EU citizens to work, but not for them to be housed.
'..let British people jump the queue'...JUMP THE QUEUE - What the HELL does this twerp think he's on about. All any UK indigenous citizen WANTS - is to be TREATED FAIRLY - JUST FAIRLY - PROPERLY. NOT to see someone - who's not been in the country two minutes - be given priority for this, that, and everything else. British citizens - with ties to a local community - parents, grand-parents, aunts, uncles, brothers, sisters living locally, working locally - should HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE CONSIDERED FIRST - ABOVE ANYONE ELSE - for a council home in their own community. It has been a huge disaster for the local authorities changes in allocating council houses.
So it is true that councils have been LYING about recent immigrants not being given houses before the natives then. COME ON D.M., USE THE FREEDOM OF IMFORMATION ACT TO "NAME & SHAME" THESE LYING COUNCILS.
Perhaps the Councils should take the time to investigate just how many "council" homes are now rented out by the "official" occupier to others. Housing benefit earnt on one property by the "official" occupier and then also privately rented to another party - a double whammy - coming to your street soon. Broken Britain ? No, just Bent Britain.
Yeah right we do not believe you """Richard Capie"""policy director of the Chartered Institute of Housing, said: ‘It is likely that only a small proportion of these are new migrants.
my daughter has been on the social housing waiting list for three years,as usual british families are pushed to the back of the queue,one day we will have a goverment that will say enough is enough...Its about time we pulled out of European union it doesent work Mr Camoron
This is something that we can do nothing about. People from the EU have every right to come and live in our council homes. We all live in the EUSSR now. This will not end with the Tory government that you voted in. While we are in the EU, we cannot control who our resources are dolled out to - we cannot control our borders - we cannot control our finances. We will not be able to control these things until we leave the EU, and the LibLabCon does not want to EVER leave the EU. We will not be able to control these things until we have a national government that is not controlled by the LibLabCon. I recommend you vote UKIP from now on.
THE ENGLISH ARE LAUGHABLE....LOOK AT THE GOVERNMENT YOU JUST VOTED IN...YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO LET THE BNP SORT ALL OF THIS OUT FOR YOU, AND WHAT DID YOU DO....THANK GOD I MOVED TO FRANCE, SARKOZY LOOKS AFTER ME KNOW....THANK YOU
I can back this report up, at least in Richmond. We wanted a council house 14 years ago in fact we were desperate for one, and were told that asylum seekers had to be put at the top of the list. We had to separate for 4 years while I went away to look for work that could support the family because of the decision. We were also told that our names would take about 10 years to get to the top.
I read the news here every day,,, that ain't reallly news.. this has been going on for ages. news next week we be there all taking our jobs and ripping of the social.. this ain't news as well
at last someone is talking common sense. When a council house has become vacant in the area where I live it has always been passed over to non british families. This in turn has created a lot of resentment from the locals, myself included. I have a sister with three children 2 boys and 1 daughter and has been living in a 2 bedroomed flat for 10 years with my sister sleeping on the living room floor. (her eldest son has special needs and needs his own room) She has been told that she hasn`t much chance of being offered anything bigger as there isn`t anything to offer her. when a house became available around the corner from her she was told that the house had already been allocated. As the occupant had passed away 3 hours before I find that very unlikely as the council had not yet been notified of her death.
Now call me an old cynic but once the Human Rights Lawyers get their claws into this it will never happen. How can you possibly discriminate against people just because they are not british and have never paid into the system, especially if they have loads of kids, it won't happen. Far easier to discriminate against the british national, no-one will fight their corner for them.
The Labour legacy lives on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on..............................................................................................................
Utterly sickening! Disgusting and Disgraceful.
Oh goody , can I go over there and be given a nice house please? I think if I'm going to ask for a house here
I think the coalition government is going to try and do something about immigrant families jumping housing queues when they arrive here in the UK with several children. it's going to be tough, but it does seem very unfair that a limited commodity like social housing is taken up by newly arrived families when local kids can't even get onto the housing list and are forced to rent in the private sector.
Houses paid for by UK tax payers should be allocated to UK citizens first and any surplus can then go to non-UK citizens. We are not a charity to the rest of the World,
If this happened in their countries, just think how they would react! Why is it this trecherous Govnt/Council put foreigners before our own indigenous folk?????
How come if we go abroad we have to stand on our own two feet, yet every waif and stray can come and get a council house, no wonder the working classes feel disenchanted with councils. Why not ask your local authority or housing association how long the list is and then ask how much has to be kept free or empty for asylum seekers/illegals or EU nationals. PS bob yes illegals as they are still illegal waiting for deportation.
I hope all you working class Labour voters read this article, apart from giving the migrants your jobs they were also giving them the keys to the much needed council accomadation, that our British people so desperately need.
I am one of them.
Another thing to thank Labour for. Funny listening to the Labour leadership campaign, they don't seem to realize that no one else really cares who is the leader of that bunch of jackals. With the Coalition, slowly but surely we are getting our country back, maybe not as fast as we'd like, but at least its in the right direction.
The answer is simple, SHUT THE GATES, WE ARE FULL UP!!!
Council homes should be given to people who have contributed to the tax system and paid their taxes. Why should people who chose not to work and just depends on the state while other hard working people who pay taxes can not benefit. If people in council houses have a better income then they are working and paying their tazes and should not be kciked out of these homes.
you think things are bad now, just wait until Turkey joins the EU because anyone with an EU passport can come and apply for work and a council house too.
Just makes you sick,time too take our country back from the EU from either the ballot box if our EU loving politicians have the spine for it, well its what most of the British public want, or with force if necessary,it will all end in tears sooner than later we can only be pushed so far and its nearing tipping point be warned lib lab con parties , you are walking a tight line.
Yes, We are used to this now, but you cannot complain
The disturbing part of this article is that a couple with 7 kids can turn up with no means of support and can sign on for benefits. If they can't support themselves they should be sent straight back. Are we suckers or what !
Can Cameron really justify such gifts to foreign nationals when some Britons are actually homeless and living on our streets?
Dont blame the council or the government Blame the faceless Unelected Idiots in Brussels who live the lives unaffected by any of the mess they create for us ....
Disgraceful....but what's new....I'm lost for words...and they would be unprintable
We have known about this for years. My son has been on the housing list for 3 years and was told that the council can't even house the homeless because they had to keep some houses free for immigrants.
The Labour government let the British people down in favour of people who came into the UK and it looks like the Coalition are following the same path.
The Eastern Europeans get a welcome to Britain, with housing provided, health care, schools, generous benefits etc., whilst the indigenous population get their benefits withdrawn and will be thrown out of council housing to accommodate these foreigners under Cameron's plans.
I know of a family who have been in the UK 18 months and after 12 months they were sitting in a lovely 4 bedroomed council house in a nice area of Blackburn and they plan to buy the property in time, so don't tell me that immigrants and asylum seekers are not getting houses before the British people because the people who live in the areas know whats going on despite the Governments denials.
It makes me sick. It's about time this government grew some and sorted out the ridiculous situation with foreigners coming over here taking our houses and our jobs and getting paid for it by us taxpayers. And then the government wonder why there is so much resentment - they are the very people creating it all.
goodbye england....you did and still do nothing about it
WILL THEY BE TOLD TO MOVE OUT OF THEIR COUNCIL HOUSE AND MOVE TO ANOTHER AREA TO FIND WORK, I THINK NOT. WHY HAS A SO CALLED SCHOOL CLEANER BEEN ABLE TO MOVE INTO A COUNCIL HOUSE WITHIN A FEW DAYS OF ARRIVING IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN THERE ARE LOCAL FAMILIES WHO HAVE PROBABLY BEEN ON A WAITING LIST FOR A LONG TIME.
Our own spineless politicians will sit on their hands and do nothing, terrified that the EU will issue their usual empty threats. For goodness sake grow a pair or step aside for a party that will defend our own people.
We should follow suite. Any unemployed immigrant should be thrown out. That should extend at least to all migrants who arrived under the last regime.
Henk Kamp for PM!
All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding. If that is true, what is all the fuss about?. We should concentrate on training the youth of Britain and stop all payments to those who will not work.
Mr Cameron take note. This is what the taxpayers want you to do with all the foreign benefit claimants. Time to get tough.
Too true we must do the same ,,,The Dutch are great .
mutal, uk, 05/7/2011 12:45>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll be protesting alongside you!!!!!
The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws. - Camerton, Morpeth, UK, 4/7/2011 Yes and when they and the original member states joined all these other countries were not part of it. And just remember that they are trying to add even more countries to the EU ???
This problem not withst.anding - surely the answer is to get out of the EU - a self serving Marxist organisation employing thousands of carpet baggers.
These rules need to be re assessed. To allow this system to be fair open borders should only be open to countries who have a similar status in terms of economic advancement. It is madness to allow people from less developed countries to come here and undercut our existing workforce and allow bosses to justify this by demonising the existing workforce by calling them lazy - actually it is the employers who are lazy by not wanting to train them. With millions of young people out of work this system is betraying our youth, as these are the jobs they should be doing - over time this will mean even more Brits on benefits when the so called lack of work ethic spreads across our population. Who in their right mind would emmigrate to a poorer country to look for work? As this is the justification for implementing this policy. Actually the only group this policy benefits long term are the corporations and the marxist elite. Now we have a housing crisis and are running out of space. Well done.
People keep blaming Brown for the current rise in our immigration figures. Yes, he is to blame, but only for the period he was in office. We have had left wing Tory PM Cameron in power over a year & still no change. I blame the voters who brought Cameron to power. Immigration is up, soft on crime, soft on the left wing EU!
The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws. - Camerton, Morpeth, UK, 4/7/2011 21:16 ..........................................................The Dutch voted 62% against the EU constitution but this was ignored by the Dutch parliament and ratified anyway. It should also be mentioned that the French voted no by 55% but ratified anyway. The Irish initially voted no (to the Lisbon Treaty) but were then told to vote yes. Spain voted 77% yes, but are now nearly a basket case economy in Europe. The UK didn't get a vote because everyone knew what the result would be.
unlike this daft country where the locals come bottom of the list , the Dutch like most European countries put their own people first
If the Dutch do it then why don't we follow suit ,just to make sure that they go home rather than stop off in Britain.
So tell me, if several hundred thousand Dutch, English or Germans descended on Poland, Romania etc then would they quite happliy accept this without worry or comment and just as happily pay benefits, housing, healthcare, translation, education, police and court costs etc ???? - John Anderson, Cambridge England, John, there are no benefits in Poland. You have to work 2yrs full time first to be entitled to unemployed benefits and you only get them 6 months, no longer. The same should be in every EU country. Immigrants should work at least 2yrs full time and also speak the language of the country they live to be entitled to anything. There shouldn't be any leaflets, signs, information in other languages as this makes the immigrants lazy and not bothered to learn the language.
Capitalism doesn't seem to be working !
That's deplorable send those Poles over here, we are short of Eastern Euroland migrants. At least since Labour voted the Blair/Brown regime they are entitled to all benefits accrued by the English taxpayers. While there at it, how about the characters trying to get in from Calais. Surely since LibDems came to power this should have been sorted and all allowed in. Remember we are now Multicultural society.
This government could do with some Dutch courage.
I don't see the problem. EU citizens have the right to work here, not come here and claim benefits. Unless they've been working here for over 3 months. Even then applying for benefits might affect their residence permit (to weed out people who work for 3 months and then stay on benefits endlessy). The benefit system is a safety net not a lifestyle. Immigrants who've worked here for many years needen't worry. They paid for it and have every right to use it when necessary. But in the end; it should be regarded as a temporary solution for those involved.
To those red arrowing my explanation, I am trying to explain why the three months may no longer apply. Recall when Sarkozy tried to remove non-working Roma? In order to implement the three month rule, you have to discriminate against non-citizens, and that is discriminatory! Britain as usual, complies fully with EU diktat, and has now removed the requirement for EU workers to register under the Workers Registration Scheme, and for them to have to wait to collect the same benefits that someone who is a citizen here is entitled to. I would guess that this is what the Netherlands is trying to resist having to do.
Can we employ him to sort out our similar problems in the UK ? He would probably be cheaper to employ than the INEPT lot that we have at the moment ! YouTube ... RevPen-02. aka The Revolting Pensioner !
They can come to Britain. labour idiot Gordon signed us up with no delay and we will never put an end to it. Its so crystal clear we will be better off OUT of EU then in it. I can't see any justification for being in EU. We can farm, fish, manufacture, give government contracts to out own people, no need to pay EU their billions, no need to have EU people coming into UK for benefits and jobs, more say in the world, no pressure of having to bail out the useless Euro, keep our laws, our own human rights, etc, Please,..if there is a just cause for Britain to take to the streets, its to march in unity to pressure the government to GET OUT OF EU.
Susan, Breda, Netherlands, 5/7/2011 11:25 Susan. You have worked in the NL for years. When you come back to the UK, unless you have made voluntary UK NI payments, you will not be entiled to any benefits in the UK. The problem with the EU project is it's not a level playing field. It's like a game of football were each team has different rules, and size of goal posts, and only the managers, and organizers make the financial profit, but the spectators watching are getting fed up. as the see that some teams are being disadvantaged. Would you pay to watch this football match??, and how would you feel if you were forced to contribute. Fine if your on the winning team.
...when Scotland gains independance and becomes an seperate country they can have all their out of work countrymen and women back as well. that should provide enough spare cash to put into the health system right and give the pensioners a rise. - jb, Swindon, 05/7/2011 11:31 ...and we should in return kick out all the English students studying cheaply at Scottish universities
So tell me, if several hundred thousand Dutch, English or Germans descended on Poland, Romania etc then would they quite happliy accept this without worry or comment and just as happily pay benefits, housing, healthcare, translation, education, police and court costs etc ????
>>>> Well the Dutch did give the world Apartheid. - Gill, Derby, 05/7/2011 11:28 <<<< ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And there was I thinking it was an Afrikaans word...
Actually, Kamp's proposal means that if you come to Holland/The Netherlands to work, you have three months to find a job. If you don't succeed you have to leave the country. Labor immigrants who lose their job within a year, can't find a new job within six months and aren't self-sufficient in funding have to leave as well. Which is perfectly reasonable in my opinion.
The EU ...wonderful...just wonderful.
A day's shopping and eating out in London or any EU city will soon show how many Eastern Europeans are taking jobs in the EU. The thing is that these folk want to work and will work hard for a pittance whereas our (original European) young people want loads of money for doing simple jobs. No surprise that the Eastern Europeans do not take long to understand the highly generous EU benefits systems and when out of work expect to be financially supported by the State. We in the original Europe have become soft and stupid whereas our new Eastern European brothers and sisters are hard-nosed and cunning as they have had to be to survive in their countries. The same applies to immigrants from other harder economies. Still, the wake up call is no bad thing and we do need a kick up the backside to realise that we can no longer expect the cosy comfort of old Europe.
Problem can be solved in one simple move: NO BENEFITS UNLESS YOU HAVE PAID INTO THE COUNTRY FOR THREE YEARS This would stop all this nonsense straight away. If they have a job then OK if not why should us taxpayers pay for them to move here just to claim our benefits??? - Bruce, UK, 5/7/2011 11:27 Agree with you and I am Pole, working hard since I came here. Any benefits should be after at least 3 yrs continuous work with no breaks and full time.
PolandÂ’s European affairs minister Mikolaj Dowgielewicz, instead of having "robust talks" with countries who fail to see why they should pay for Polands unemployed, should tell his fellow ministers to raise Polands state benefits to the same level as countries such as Britain and Holland. Why should the Eastern Europeans constantly take from the Western Europe.
"Meanwhile live in Scotland and its free care for the elderly, live elsewhere in the UK and they steal your house to pay for care". - High Treason, Bournemouth., 5/7/2011 Not any longer I'm afraid - the only aspect of care that has ever been free in Scotland is personal care i.e. help with bathing etc. It has just been announced yesterday that this is going to end as it is costing too much money. My late father was in a nursing home for 2 years prior to his death and the funding the council provided was topped up with his state and 2 small occupational pensions. He was given a small amount of pocket money back for things like haircutting and toiletries. I'm afraid the whole free care for all in Scotland is a myth peddled by the English press, same with the availability of cancer drugs. I don't meant that as rude to the English because I'm married to a Londoner and lived in the S East for 20 years. I've also had cancer so know of the drug situation first hand.
EU rules need to be overhauled. They were established before benefits tourism was an issue. I think that benefits for non-nationals should only be given on a proportional basis to weeks worked and taxes paid within that economy. I have no problem with migrant workers, but if we are going to allow them to win jobs away from less motivated and lazy Brits then there needs to be some withdrawal of benefits from the Brits to incentivise them to get off their bums and start competing for these jobs. At the moment they are as well off financially not working as they would be in a tough, physical minimum wage job, so why on earth would they bother?
All imigrants should be send back where they come from if they don't work, don't speak the language of the country they are living in. They only shame the rest hard working. Also any imigrant with any criminal record should be send back or not allowed to enter.
Europe will end up imploding with people fighting. its only a matter of time before war within europe ..its time that britain got out......before it starts.
"migrants' state benefits"?? These 3 words should never appear together! Britain can also remove economically inactive EU citizens, however this is rarely imposed. Holland could not have come up with fairer proposals and all EU states should have these rights. I believe throwing out people after 3 months is against EU law but I'm sure 6 months is at least allowed?
Poland’s economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak called the Dutch plans ‘worrying’, adding: ‘This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.’. GOOD!
Come to the UK the land of milk and honey for all migrants we wont kick you out because of your human rights
The EU laws were formulated for the purpose of genuine migration but since the system is being abused in a most despicable way it should be changed to reflect the present climate. The British leniency should stop now, the EU representatives should review the immigration laws ASAP. SM Gillingham 05/07/11
If they are deported will they make there way too the UK to be given everything free?
Can't see anything wrong with the Dutch recognising economic reality. Lesson we could learn maybe.
As someone who has many friends in the Polish community in the Netherlands as well as in Britain, I think there must be something very very wrong with this assessment by our ministry. Poles make sure they have work. They run therefore a risk that they end up in many an illegal job or otherwise dubious employment. The number of Polish nationals that rely on benefits is way under the average. The misconception in the article is that it suggests that it is about benefits. It is not! It is about the equally misconceopted idea by the ministry that the Poles take up jobs otherwise suitable for the Dutch unemployed. Go figure, ofcourse they won't (work that hours the Polish do). Furthermore there is a large community of very well educated Poles in the Netherlands who are essential to our building industry - as in Britain! - and ICT. Lines of work in which there is a huge shortage in properly educated personel here in Amsterdam.
- Jim, Stoke On trent, 4/7/2011 22:29 --- I'm pretty sure we do. But not anywhere within our parliament.
I'm sure Brussels does fear the loss of its tryannical grip on countries desperately trying to protect their economy. The answer for them is simple, and would also serve us well: bring any benefits down to a level where it is unattractive to be out of work. Make having a job to go to a condition of working in an EU country, and give countries equal power to remove those who cease work. If this was applied equally throughout the EU, this would not be a measure equivalent to a quantitative restriction.
No job = no benefits = go home. And when you come back make sure you can speak the language. TTFN
Shock horror. What about the babies who were born in Holland and therefore have the right to stay there? - Good idea, London++++++++++++++++++++++Well few babies have achieved a level of decision making enabling them to chose where they wish to live. So in the absence of that they go home with their parents. No child should have a nationality different from its parent(s) and only when the parent(s) are allowed a change should the baby's status change. What about the Nigerian woman who came to Britain to give birth to her five. That should not make their status British either.
this article is absolutely stupid. Having lived in the netherlands and having our son there with my dutch daughter in law and grandchild here this. The poles are not a problem, its the turks. Second very few people speak dutch(boy, what a tongue twisting language). next the dutch economy has succeeded due to their command of the english language and the pilfering of jobs from the uk and many other countries. Could it be politicians not knowing their own country just like ours.
The problem is that there hardly any unemployed Polish in the Netherlands)
Cameron should do exactly the same. All economic migrants should not be allowed into the country, and if they are already here they should be sent packing, and to hell with the EU and 'human rites' Our MP is totally in favour of the EU, but if we were given a referendum, as we were promised before the election, we would be out before the ink was dry.
Muslima - please explain how any poor Brit can walk through your doors and claim benefit, when it is extremely difficult to move to Australia without a required skill and/or the means to support yourself for a long time? Or is it just more Brit hatred?
Immigration, like inflation are tools used by the governments to subjugate the people. If we removed 500,000 illegals and 1,000,000 migrant workers there would be the lowest unemployment since the war and the deficit would vanish in a matter of years. We don't need any more people coming into the UK. PERIOD.
a child hood story. There was a poor fisherman who caught a magic fish. In exchange for it's life the fish granted a wish. The fisherman was granted a piece of land and a nice lifestyle. After a while he become bored and caught the fish again for a second wish. The fisherman was granted a County with servants, and more wealth. Again he became bored and went out to get a third wish. He was then was given the Crown and was king and very wealthy. The King decided he wanted the world, and went out and caught the fish. But this time the Magic fish got angry, and refused to grant anymore wishes, and said he was a greedy man. The King was furious and killed the fish. On arrival to the shore, the fisherman realised that because he had killed the fish, he was no longer King, and no longer wealthy. Just a poor old fisherman who destroyed the fish who had granted him wealth. A little story for the EU Look after your own, as their the ones who vote for you.
'All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding. ' - That is what is stated - so why are the Dutch now the bad guys because they insist on this being the case??? If they are working and adding to our economy - not on benefits (which they shouldn't be entitled to!) then I've got no probs with anyone being here - but if you think you can create havoc with criminality, not work, and be living off benefits, that you have not contributed to, you're sadly mistaken - by all means - get them out and back in the country of their origin!!!!
Holland should do the right thing and help these Polish chaps, if they have a problem doing so they should have said so vociferously, at the time these laws were being passed
Europe’s justice commissioner Viviane Reding ‘All member states are equal' No they are not all equal otherwise why would they be flooding into our countries??
My cousin employed Poles in his factory and found them infinitely better than the local English labour! They would work the night shift and would be much more thorough and consistent in their standard of work. If they were told to check a product three times over for possible faults that is what they would do - unlike many of the locals who would tend to cut corners. If a defective product surfaced it was nearly always from the day shift. And despite working nights they would attend English classes during the day! I am fet up with people knocking Poles - they were our allies in World War II and they make a contribution to our society today
If the Dutch get their way, expect the unemployed immigrants to be bound for this wonderful country of ours where everyone matters except the indigenous population
British Governments are in the hands of feral businessmen who are only interested in paying the lowest wages possible. They do not care about border or who takes care of their employee when they leave work or are sacked. - John Spencer, Harlow England, 05/7/2011 10:46 Unfortunately that is BUSINESS, just makes me laugh that so many people in this country think they DESERVE move money than they actually do, hence why there are millions of people skanking dole cheques each week because they are too lazy and too full of themselves to do a hard days work! So glad I'm emigrating and taking my taxes with me.....
They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours.- Okla, England, 5/7/2011 1:13..............................I thought that there was an EU directive that limited the hours of the working week. - giveusabreak, stone again, 05/7/2011..........Whats hard workers and long hours got to do with this story, it is about kicking people out that cannot find work and a burden on the Dutch welfare system, puzzled ?
The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws. - Camerton, Morpeth, UK, 4/7/2011 21:16------------------------------------------------- Perhaps the Dutch did choose to be in the EU - we didn't; we got coerced by Labour into this stranglehold. Good for the Dutch now putting their own people first, pity our government can't do the same instead of kowtowing to foreigners who care not a jot about this country or customs, just their own
They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours.- Okla, England, 5/7/2011 1:13..............................I thought that there was an EU directive that limited the hours of the working week. - giveusabreak, stone again, 05/7/2011..........Whats hard workers and long hours got to do with this story, it is about kicking people out that cannot find work and a burden on the Dutch welfare system, puzzled ?
Somebody needs to make up their mind if those exercising treaty rights are job stealers (and tax payers) or benefit scroungers. There's a bit of a dichotomy in your dinosaur-think propaganda. It's the banks, not migration, stupid.
we should chuck out all foriegneers who are not working and that should include southern Ireland and when Scotland gains independance and becomes an seperate country they can have all their out of work countrymen and women back as well. that should provide enough spare cash to put into the health system right and give the pensioners a rise.
The out-of-work Eastern Europeans needn't worry. All they need do is find their way to the UK, the land of milk and honey with a huge pot of cash to chuck at one and all. (Unless of course you happen to a British taxpayer, in which case you'll get nothing but give a lot).
Well the Dutch did give the world Apartheid.
Problem can be solved in one simple move: NO BENEFITS UNLESS YOU HAVE PAID INTO THE COUNTRY FOR THREE YEARS This would stop all this nonsense straight away. If they have a job then OK if not why should us taxpayers pay for them to move here just to claim our benefits???
I am a UK expat who has lived and worked here (NL) for years. I am fed up of people who scrounge off the system. I dont care what nationality they are, where they come from, what colour, creed, race, religion, sock size ! If they are ot working then go home and obtain credit there - if you did not contribute to the coffers of the country that you are in then you do not deserve any benefits. This has nothing to do with the freedom to work anywhere in the EU, feel free to do so but the key word here is 'WORK'. There are too many old eastern block people wanting to obtain the benefits of the richer greater Europe - thats where it is wrong. As for the UK, they are plain stupid to keep alowing this blantent rampage to continue - it is well known in immigrant circles that the best place to go for free handouts is the UK. Grow up Britain and smell the roses. Your liberal choices allow the rape of your country. Be fair, be open but grow up.
DC, I think you had better do something about this problem before you have mass disorder on the streets of the UK !!!!
Isn't the EU wonderful? Slowly, slowly other people in countries other than Britain are starting to realise the social experiment to integrate us all against our will is not working. Oh, for the day when the whole corrupt empire crashes.
Dutch can, Brits carn't, wonder why.?
All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work AS LONG AS THEY ARE WORKING OR ARE SELF SUFFICIENT IN FUNDING!! This does not mean that we have to give them benefits, or support them in any way. Time to use the EU rules against them and deport all EU immigrants on benefits!!
What a pity these EU migrants don't pile into Brussels seeking work, benefits and family allowances. There would be some changes made then.
Good for the Dutch.
Yeah, but you know at least the Poles are looking for work unlike some. Time we did this with everybody, not singling out any particular group. The ones we can't send home, we should just put them on a job.
Wish we had these Dutch politicians instead of the feckless corrupt bunch we have in the UK. At least the Dutch aren't afraid to call a spade a spade.
At last common sense .
France need to see the benefits Polish workers bring to this country. They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours. Polish kids dont want to spend their parents money they want tearn their own. - Okla, England+++++++++++++++++++++++If you came from a poor country and had the chance to go to a rich one to earn three times as much which you could send home, wouldn't you do maximum hours and work your socks off too? But taking everything into consideration, it does NOTHING for the host country. Japan has few immigrants but maximises the value of its own people who reciprocate with their support. Companies give good in work training and obviously have to pay the going rate and they innovate so that they stay ahead. Earnings stay in the economy spent on Japanese goods - 6 major car companies and we have none. Expansion in our economy means another Tesco, more spending on foreign goods and trillions of debt.
Hoi,Poles, don't be afraid of the Dutch threats. There is a country,not toooo far from the Netherlands,where you will be welcomed with open arms,given all the help and aid you can possibly imagine,a house,a mobile phone,interpreters to accompany you to the benefits office,where you don't have to find work and where you can reap more benefits than the indigenous population. I have given you some hints as to where this fabled country is,now it is up to you to find it....good luck..... p.s. It is NOT Poland.
Hurrah!!!
And the Poles and other Immigrants here, claim child benefit for their kids living in Poland!! Has this country completely lost the plot!! I despair for the future! No wonder the country is bankrupt!! Thanks to Brown and the stupid Liberals we are 90% down the slippery slope to 3rd or 4th world status!!!!!!
Henk Kamp for prime minister!!!
This is the important bit in that story"All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding." This should mean that no EU citizen should be able to claim any form of benifit except in their own country and to do that they have to go home. So telling them to go is perfectly in compliance with the EU rules so Mz Redding should make her " position ‘loud and clear’ that these laws actually exist instead of ignoring unpleasant facts.
Yes Trudi I can explain - the principle of Free Movement, means that anybody within the EU has the right to move around in the EU unhindered, and that includes living anywhere in the EU, whether they work or not. Theoretically, if all of Poland (or any other country) wanted to live in Britain, then they can and nobody can stop them. The financial side of this is difficult - AIUI most countries have or had rules that someone had to be able to support themselves without recourse to the state, for x months, but this was opposing the principle of Free Movement (the three month rule was the rule that was to be used to send Peterborough shed people home), and so was, I believe, considered to be discriminatory. On May 1st, the benefit rules had to be changed in Britain so that all migrants have the same rights to benefits that Britons do, without having to qualify by length of stay. Therefore throwing people out of the country after three months of them not working is discriminatory.
It's about time wake up cameroon where I live in wisbech there a drunken poles in car parks in country parks and quite frankly they leave a mess everywhere and are even going round saying this is our town and we now own it ? which they definately do not
That's a great idea... now actually DO that there, and over here in the US and the UK too and maybe we'll get somewhere.
I have a question. Why would the Dutch, English, German hard working taxpayers will pay (social benefits) for people not from their country? If they dont find work and cant support themselves then they can claim benefits in their OWN county. We will not pay for them........... - Jazz, Amsterdam the Netherlands , 4/7/2011 22:12 Well I am not from 'your' country Jazz but I do live there and I pay tax to 'your' government so if I should lose my job why should Britain pay me benefits when I have paid my taxes to the Dutch government for years?
I wish Australia did this, then we could get rid of all the lazy poms! I used to work for Centrelink (our welfare System) and all the British coming through the doors was incredible. And as per the information I've received from friends working there still, not a lot has changed.
***---------"While countries like Britain have rigidly stuck to EU laws and directives, other nations have been less circumspect on doing so, and in many cases go unpunished."------------------>>> And here lies the fundamental problem. Everyone else seems to pick and choose which directives to follow, but do we?
Hmmm Poland are short of manpower..... Send them back.. solution.
"The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws" I'll bet they didn't you know. I'll bet they thought - just like us - that we were signing up to a "common market" for trading purposes. That's how it was sold to us by Heath in the 1970s and that is how we were conned and lied to to join up. I, for one, could not give a stuff what Brussels thinks of the Dutch idea. They should go ahead and put it into action. No job - go home. I wish we had a strong enough leadership here to do the same. My home city is no longer mine due to the influx of eastern Europeans and foreign students who sit outside our coffee shops for hours every day while we work to pay their bloody benefits!
Those 2 ideas sound very good and sensible. Of course you should learn the language of the country you're residing in, and, I think, a 3 month time limit for finding work in another country is fair. We need to take charge of our country but those at the top seem too afraid - or too cocooned in their wealth - to actually do it.
The EU for every other country is a pick n mix of what they decide to implement or not, which rules they will and won't follow. Only the British are stupid enough to follow the full letter of the law. The Dutch have the right idea, we should follow them, and perhaps then lead an exodus from the EU.
This seems a perfectly reasonable step to take by the Dutch. If they have no job after 3 months and no prospects of work, why would they want to stay anyway, other than for benefits. The UK government should support this position and should take a similar position, I think the UK electorate would fully support this stance.- george , swindon++++++++++++++++++++The EU are fully aware of this issue and will use the reaction from Holland and elsewhere to further their ultimate plans. They will say that the solution is for the EU to take charge of all member state taxation and benefits so that claimants receive one common payment wherever they are (it will still mean that the likes of Britain gives and Poland receives)
Beats me why the country of origin of EU migrants aren't made to pay benefits themselves to their own citizens........ whether in their own country or another.
At last a country that will to speak up. Why should one country be playing the unemployment benefit (or any other benefit) of another country's people. Waldemar Pawlak should be asking why his own countrymen need to leave his country by the millions, not questioning other governments. As they say 'get your own house in order' !!!! I have no problem with people moving to another country if they have a job there, but if they have no job then they should go home to whatever country they came from ???
We should set the example and send everyone back to their country of origin if they are not working and paying tax. It really is that simple, if its not that simple give us a referendum on Europe. I know we wont get it as the politicians know we would be out without a blink. Only the politicians want us in for their benefits.
Go for it Henk Kamp. Let common sense prevail and send them back home. As for the Polish Economic Affairs Minister, Mr Pawlak, saying that the Dutch plan is worrying, yes it will be worrying that some of the Dutch-sourced welfare money will not be going into the Polish economy! Follow suit, Mr Cameron.
What these EU policy makers and the UK government (who allows it) do not understand is that the UK takes a disproportionate share of the burden from this free movement rule because more people want to come here than any other EU country. Immigration needs to be tightened, monitored and enforced properly. And all of this could easily be funded by scrapping benefits, legal aid and translators for foreign citizens bearing in mind that the whole reason they are supposed to be here is to work, not spunge of the system!
British Governments are in the hands of feral businessmen who are only interested in paying the lowest wages possible. They do not care about border or who takes care of their employee when they leave work or are sacked.
Why would Poland care the more that leave Poland the less they have to pay for. Im just glad im getting out of the UK and the EU they can keep thier doomed socialist dream
I believe that what the Dutch are doing is right, anybody who travels to another country should be working in that country, if they havn't got work, then that said country should have the right to send them home!
Simple solution.Have the EU make a ruling on the level of benefits to be paid. All EU countries are to pay unemployment benefit at a certain level. All other benefits are at the discretion of the country and are paid only to that country's nationals. It would mean that there was no benefit in coming to the UK to be unemployed. I don't care what the do gooders say, when there are no UK citizens living on the streets then that is the time to allow immigrants to enter the housing queue. This country is a gift for those who want to come here and do nothing official. The cash in hand economy is fuelled by benefit claimers who work for below minimum wage with no strings and no records.
Makes you wish we had politicians with a bit of gumption..
The Dutch have always been more active than us Brits...about time we took a leaf fron their notebook.... - maggie, london uk++++++++++++++You are right - we just talk - they act
On Russia Today this morning they reported that Denmark had closed its borders - the Eu are reported to be furious - lets add to that fury by closing our borders and following the dutch lead
There does not seem any point in trying to get our 'we know best' leaders to leave the EU, the euro is going to collapse and the EU will not be that far behind it, so there will be nothing to leave.
The EU is a marxist set up which doesn't believe in nations.They think the whole world is entitled to everything on offer in the most affluent countries. In fact, outsiders are encouraged to fill their boots, at the cost of the nationals.
Go for it the Netherlands, politicians in tht UK haven't got the balls to deal with this vexed issue!
Maria in Sheffield - if all the Brit ex-pats came back to Britain from Spain, then Spain would be in serious trouble! My partner and I lived there for 10 years and I would say 80 to 90% were retired, arrived in Spain with money to buy a property, a car, plants, furniture, food every week etc. etc. in fact we were no problem but a huge asset. We provided work for Spanish builders, Spanish electricians, etc. I take my hat off to Holland and hope this idea catches on here, but I doubt it.
One big problem here. If Holland starts chucking them out, no prizes for guessing which land of milk,honey,and benefits they will all head for. And our bunch of wasters who pretend they are MP's will do the usual nothing about it !!...
" who are without work for three months and have little prospect of finding any." Meaning they have been able to live in the Netherlands for a period of three months without work..... I honestly do not see what is wrong with sending these people back to their homeland. When they find a job, they can always come back but in the mean time I see no reason to support them too. We have enough jobless Dutch to support as it is. p.s. DM - before you compare absolute numbers of immigrants, you may also want to take into consideration the total population of a country.
Good luck to the Dutch and we should do it to all the other overseas scroungers
Please, please, please, will someone explain something to me. Britain did not sign the Schengen agreement, allowing free and unfettered movement of Europeans throughout the EU, yet we are the ones with the most EU immigrants and the ones least prone to extraditing undesirables. We bend over backwards to grant all financial and medical benefits, housing, translation and inclusion services. Why?
Well done Holland. Kick out scroungers and the bone idle from every EU country, then kick out the EU bunglers who make stupid rules allowing itinerants to live off the state.
Surely this shouldn't just apply to Polish people - any EU national without a job should be ejected, surely?
CAMERON, DID YOU MISS THIS PART "All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding." That does not mean COME TO THE UK FOR FREE EVERYTHING AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO WORK!
Henk Kamp for UK Prime Minister!
I love the Dutch, sensible drug laws and now fighting back against the EU!
Well Cameron what does it feel like to be the odd man out,get your nuts out of the wardrobe and be a man for a change ,do something the people want and stop being an appeaser to these idiots you teamed up with, give us the referendum you promised us,we will put all our EU problems right in a couple of days,for Gods sake man give the people what they want before its too late,time is running out...........
Poland’s economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak called the Dutch plans ‘worrying’, adding: ‘This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement. Of course he finds it worrying as it could lead to the end of Polands greatest money-making scam; the export of its unemployment problem to the rest of Europe.
When i lived in the Netherlands they are hot to trot when it comes to benefits, when my son didnt go to school for two weeks the government phoned me to tell me no school no child benefit...when have you ever had a phone call from the benefit office here... i tried to come off child benefit saying my son finished college and isnt going bk and was told it cant be stopped until september when the term starts for college...i was like WHAT.... couldn't believe my ears... in the netherlands you say that they say no problem thank you very much....GET REAL UK....
If the majority of members of a club want to change the rules, then the majority decision applies, why can the majority not change stupid EU laws?
They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours.- Okla, England, 5/7/2011 1:13..............................I thought that there was an EU directive that limited the hours of the working week.
In England they won't do that. The prat in charge of the CBI doesn't like Brits.
The freedom of movement laws in the EU are ill thought out and wrong, there's nothing wrong with finding work in another EU state providing it doesn't impact on that states own workforce like here and drive down wages, no one should be allowed to move from one state to be out of work in another and put a strain on the host countries resources, the whole system must be looked at and a sensible decision made, I welcome the Dutch decision and hope other states follow them especially us, then the whole thing will have to be re thought out so it doesn't pitch workers from one state against the other and cause distress.
We should do exatly the same here and GET OUT OF THE E.U.
" I COMMEND THIS (DUTCH) STATEMENT TO THE HOUSE ! "
"Well done the Dutch"
Free movement rights are a good thing. BUT no person from another EU country should become a burden on the host country. Any EU country must have the right to remove someone back to their own EU country if this becomes the case.
I'm Polish and I totally agree. I can see how my fellow Poles abuse Irish welfare system and I resent it. It just shows how imperfect the whole system is that it allows people to abuse it so much. We have to introduce restrictions, otherwise this whole EU thing will fall apart quicked than we think. I hope other EU member states will follow in Holland's footsteps.
AT LAST someone who can see beyond the fear of disagreeing with the EU gravy train riders! Go for it Holland and, maybe just maybe, other countries will find the backbone to do the same!
If they can,We can. Start NOW.
"Poland’s economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak called the Dutch plans ‘worrying’",..... Is anybody surprised at that? If they are over here sending pay or benefits home that can only be good for Poland and bad for us. We need to weigh in behind the Dutch and be-damned the dictatorial EU law.
As far as I know it IS the law that if EU citizens are without work in another EU country for three months, they must return to their own country. This law should have been kept and enforced from the beginning and it is the failure to do so in our own country that is a contributing cause to our massive immigration problems. The Government keeps trotting out that they cannot do anything about European immigrants but they deceive us. The fact that a law has not been enforced up until now does not mean that it ceases to exist.
now this is what I call a nation with b...s! shame we have weak kneed ministers running this country - if only they could learn to punish foreigners instead of the citizens of this country
Let's be brutally truthful here. As soon as the old Combloc residents were free to head to the west they did. They did not stay to build their own countries up, they went where there was more money and the pickings were better. I have no objection to people bettering themselves, that is not the point. The point is that we cannot afford them. For every migrant worker, there tends to be a family, and children, all claiming benefits. Child benefit is better here than Poland (for example), but no one has stopped people claiming benefits for children who do NOT even live here. This country is on its uppers. We cannot afford to be so generous. I am sorry, but if there are no jobs, they should go home, if they won't go home, they should be repatriated. The EU lives in Cloud Cuckoo Land spending other people's money, that gravy train should cease forthwith.
BREACH EU LAWS??? WE NEVER VOTED FOR ANY OF THESE IDIOTS!! DAVID CAM PROMISED US A VOTE AND ONCE AGAIN HE DID A U TURN. WE DON'T CARE WE THEY ARE, WHAT THEY DO WE JUST WANT OUT!!!!
Good for them! i hope they stand up to the autocratic EU who think they have the right to dictate to people how their countries are run. We didn't vote for it we don't want it and i for one am sick to death of being dictated to by the bloody EU idiots, our Govt needs a good hard kick up the backside, previous Govts got us into this mess and it's up to Cameron and his cronies to get us out before Britain is completely swamped by a load of freeloading foreigners. The benefits system should not be available to foreigners they haven't paid in so they should not get paid out, and i agree if they are not working they should be sent home, why should we keep them at the taxpayers expense! Has no-one any common sense, you don't need a degree in mathematics to understand basic numbers! We are a small island sinking under a constant influx of foreigners who know we will provide for them, it's obscene! and once here we are stuck with them, the baby boom for migrants is huge! I hate politicians!
Lets hope we follow their example soon.. for all immigrants who refuse to learn our language or find work here.. we're sick of it..
Your comments: I totally agree , the dutch have got it right. Chuck the lot out and give our lads and lasses the chance to get jobs. We have kept these scroungers far too long and its about time Mr. Cameron sorted this lot out
At last the truth if EU people have no job and cannot look after themselves fianncially then we DO NOT have to give them any benefits so Cameron come on and show EU that we are fed up with being the dumping ground for these new EU members that have no money. Time for UKIP or the EDL....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... Cameron is useless.
My question is, 'do government officials get to read these responses? If not, they should be forwarded to them!
Cameron supports the Turkish application for EU membership. Be afraid, be very afraid.
Why cannot we do the same,we are all supposed to under the same EU law,why are we so lily livered in our country,come on Mr Cameron start with the woman who just flew in from africa and cost us 200k to have 5 babies! on our NHS, its supposed to be a national not international health service.
Don't really see the problem - it is up to the Dutch how they look after their own country. Pity our gutless wonders don't think about telling Brussels to go take a long walk off a short pier sometime...
The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws. - Camerton, Morpeth, UK, Probably not, just like in every other EU country. When has the vote gone to the majority, i.e. the people. Never, hardly and even when the vote was given on the treaty, Holland and France voted No. Ireland voted no and then told to go back again until it got the vote they wanted. This is no democracy but a dictatorship. The people of Holland have never voted for these laws, its the few government leaders and MPs that have voted for them. NOT THE PEOPLE, NOT THE TAXPAYER
We need to create an EU that we want, not what they want us to have.
It looks like Holland is leading the way in many aspects, ban on Halal Slaughter despite thye EU. Now again they take the lead in saying to the EU. they want the Nation State that is Holland run by the Dutch, a State that is self deterning it's own future. Not run from the Duma in Brussels which is determined to end all Nation States in it's endevour to create a EUSSR. The Dutch have experienced massive emmigration by it's people, they seem to now understand why, whereas our politicians don't care. Well Done Holland, shame we do not have a Geert Wilders aswell.
What is this..........common sense, our MP's should take note of the Dutch!
surpose when the clogumphs kick the jam rolls out you will not have to run a lottery to know were they will end up ! plenty of jobs here for Poles ?
France need to see the benefits Polish workers bring to this country. They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours. Polish kids dont want to spend their parents money they want tearn their own. - Okla, England, 5/7/2011 1:13----I doubt very much that you even know any Polish people. Please stop repeating this urban myth. Polish people are just the same as any other Europeans - east or west!!! They have their hard workers and lazy people in the same proportions.
Don't worry boys and girls, Mr Cameron will take you in and put you immediately on more benefits than I and my wife get in pensions, Oh, and I will pay for you to be here. Don't worry boys and girls.
"Poland's economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak called the Dutch plans "worrying" adding " if the Dutch go ahead with this then all these unemployed Poles might come back to Poland and the Polish state may have to look after them!" Heaven forbid!!!
when you have the have nots and the haves and countries who have tragically been surpressed and ruined by communism, surely you know if you open borders the have nots will flood to the haves. I dont see any problem with this if this is capped to make sure the haves are not swamped and thier own country dragged down and ruined, infrastrucures collapsing under the weight as our own is. Telling us that there is equal movement between countries is codswallap. I dont know of a single person who has moved to Poland or Lithuania!!! However my polish sister in law ( here for twenty years working) tells me in poland the national TV says 6 million people have left! Six Million have emigrated from Poland alone! Even she says people who cant make it in poland have flooded here and lots of un desirables and she says its our border control fault. Most britains who move abroad are self sufficient and retiring or go with plans and money to survive!! I doubt many brits are living in sheds !
UK would have a problem with the language part, is'nt english taught as a second language in most of these countries. We could afford the NHS, Welfare for the old, etc etc. if we didn't have to pay for nearly all of the eastern block influx.
As I've found since moving here, the Netherlands has the advantage that politicians are above board. This means that those who want to destroy national distinctions and reconstruct the world as they see fit -- by promoting unrestricted migrations, unconnected to job offers or cultural integrity -- say exactly that that is what they want, and found separate parties with those explicit aims. Hence, traditional Dutch patriots (including left-wingers) in the mainstream parties are "able" to say that they don't want the nation to suffer through ill-conceived mass migration. Our problem in Britain is that so very many politicians who have that goal have been lying about it for so long -- and we have failed to deal with them for their lies.
KICK all immigrants out and look after your own country and its people .This trying to look after the world is crazy
Governments of this country think tax payers are a charity. The government dishes out money abroad because it makes them feel good. They allow anyone to live here for free because it makes them nice people in the eyes of the scroungers. Meanwhile live in Scotland and its free care for the elderly, live elsewhere in the UK and they steal your house to pay for care. Therefore work and pay taxes and get screwed. Come here and do nothing, get cared for all free and even get buried for free.
**** EU laws, I am sick of them and so are all my fellow countrymen. It's about time we started looking after our own. We want our vote. I am going to write again today to my EURO MP to ask where my vote is, although I doubt I will get an answer just as he ignored me last time. We should all write to them asking where our vote is. I don't understand that a very small minority of people, i.e. our government think they can walk over the majority and carry on with this grand EU project. No wonder we can't pay for our students to go to uni, or elderly care because our taxes are pouring into the EU
‘This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.’ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yippee! It's what the Brits want anyway. Good for Holland - I stand by their brave move! The EU is a complete waste of money, it's corrupt and it's time for it now to collapse. Only wish it would come sooner.
Come off it ! We are more likely to evict pensioners from their houses and put them into high rise flats , to make room for our honoured guests and their families !
Good luck trying to get "benefits" in France if you are not French; or explanatory leaflets in any language other than French. You will be told that "benefits" are for the French,and,quite rightly, that if you live in France then you should learn French. The British are the suckers of the EU.
Why wait 3 months
"Europe’s justice commissioner Viviane Reding has warned the Netherlands that it ‘must respect EU rules on the freedom of movement between member states’. If the Netherlands fails to comply with EU legislation, the commission will make its position ‘loud and clear’, she said. ‘All member states are equal and the rules are transparent,’ she added." - Comment - The idea that all member states are equal is quite laudable in itself but in practice it means that the small fry are dictating policy by ganging up to vote themselves into a position of power. The presence of competing power blocks in any organisation eventually leads to war; war in this case would hopefully lead to the disintegration of the EU. Viviane Reding (Justice Commissioner) has warned that , 'the Commission will make its position ‘loud and clear’. It will be very interesting to see the result of this brazen threat from an employee to her employers; a very welcome expulsion for the Dutch from the EU, perhaps?
I wish desperately ,that the same is done in our country, all immigrants without job, ability to speak English ,should be sent home,the abuse by them of our system is frightening. Mr Cameron, do it while there is still time to save our country.
I wish desperately ,that the same is done in our country, all immigrants without job, ability to speak English ,should be sent home,the abuse by them of our system is frightening. Mr Cameron, do it while there is still time to save our country.
Go for it, it would seem your MP's have more backbone than ours.
"The Dutch were one of the first countries to join the common market. Now that it's become the EUSSR they want out."- Dave, Kettering, 5/7/2011 1:41 Were does it say the Dutch want out? We are just following an already EXISTING european rule. There are no european laws breached and Brussels will not be knocking on our doors soon and take us to court. English readers should look further than what their newspapers tell and have a look what really is in the European law. You can work in another european country, be unemployed and have three months unemployment benefits. Than you have to go back to your own country That is the official rule.
That's OK then. they will just come to the UK. No one here to stop them, there just 'aint no B*LLS
well done holland but alas it means they will all come here. as usual.
Here's an idea. Why doesn't everyone move to Poland, refuse to learn Polish, demand a free house and some handouts from the government. See how far you get. I congratulate the Netherlands, if they actually follow through with it.
""If the Spanish decide to expel the British that cant speak the language look out! You will have 800,000 back in blighty........."" I bet half of them left because they couldn't recognise "Blighty" any more. If we are wise enough to emulate the proposals of the Dutch I think we'd get a far better deal in having back our own people and expelling the rest of the world's wastrels.
Is it me or do the Poles want to be anywhere but Poland? Their migration from their homeland since they were accepted into the EU has been astonishing. They've gone to all the Western European nations in their hundreds of thousands. I'm surprised there are any Poles left in Poland.
Perhaps, the Dutch might consider the better option: pulling out of the E.U. altogether.
Just give economic migrants exactly the same benefits they would receive in their own countries. This could then be claimed back and refunded from their home country.
anti european, i am voting UKIP next time (from a dissolusioned ex conservative)
These rules are simply crazy. Why should foreign national be allowed to go to another EU state and do NOTHING but claim benefits?! No wonder the Dutch want to get rid off them. We should be doing exactly the same. And for the EU to oppose this shows just how out-of-touch and unreasonable the Eurocrats are. The EU will be the downfall of the UK and the other previously great states of Europe, I guarantee it!
It's obvious that the Polish ministers would speak out abou this - they are quite happy to shed millions of young men from Poland and basically put their problems onto Holland and Britain in the main. The Eu freedom of movement charter is nothing more than an agenda to allow poor eastern Europeans to scrounge off the Dutch and British taxpayers. Holland is not afraid to stand up to the EU because they know that the EU is a toothless tiger and nothing can be forced from the Dutch.
Why can't we in England do that?? why do we always have to do what we're told when other countries flaunt the rules and get a way with it,
Great idea and it shows they are brave enough to do the sensible thing. Freedom of movement has nothing to do with social securoity tourism to go from your own country to another to claim better social security benefits. That's a recipe for disaster and just plain daft if your government allows that to happen. Guess where they'll go if the Dutch throw them out?
So do we; but thanks to Labour, we can't.
What makes this funny is that the government dont even have the money to do that without cutting something or increasing a tax somewhere so those for it please line up and put your ever benevolent hand in your symbolic pocket.
As the majority of EU countries only had to open their jobs market to the new 2004 EU countries, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania etc., from May 2011 it hasnÂ’t taken long for them to complain. Thanks to Bliar and Broon, weÂ’ve put up with this for 7 years.
this eu farce works only for the deprived,poor eastern europeans are taking advantage of the system,we dont need them,lets get out now cameron before we can not get rid of any off them.
We should throw out migrant EVERYONE if they can't find a job. It shouldn't be limited to Poles. We are far too soft on migrants and illegal immigrants.
what about all the brits living in spain who can't speak a word of spanish?? oh, thats ok, because they're british...hypocrites.....
Well , it has to start somewhere.---------------------------------------------------------------This current situation cannot continue------------------------------------------------- This country is just too soft a touch "FREE MONEY & HOUSES QUE HERE"
Response to: - maggie, london uk, 05/7/2011 who posted at: 04:30 ...... HERE, HERE Maggie! It is about time we started expelling folks from other countries who have come here looking for work. There isn't enough work for our citizens anymore, because employers can get foreigners cheaply. This means that those workers are claiming benefits and taking money from the countries purse as well as jobs. That handout of money doesn't just stop at a weekly payout from the Social Security office. It also means Rent Rebates Housing Allowance, Council Tax Rebates; Free Prescriptions and Free Health Care. This massive influx from European countries are breaking the back of our once fine and respected world wide country. The British Government needs to take action NOW. BEFORE it gets any worse. We cannot help our country with tax cuts and tightening our belts because the Government needs to get the European problem sorted out. GET US OUT OF EUROPE, AND GET THE EU. FOLKS OUT of Britain!
We have masses of unemployed Brits and throngs of foreign workers on our shores. Surely it is plain common sense to send ALL non working immigrants back to their home land? Billions would be saved on our benefits system! And WHEN will Cameron honour his (pre-election) offer to give us a referendum on EU membership? Both he, and we, know what the answer will be!!
Re Camerton, Morpeth uk. The Dutch people did not choose to be in the EU! Like the UK we voted to join the Common Market, not join a political union! Later governments ignoring the peoples wishes did so! , hence the mess we are now in with laws and regulations galore.
One EU country with brains in government.
It is about time someone in Europe stopped talking double dutch and showed a huge dose of common sense. If these people arrive in a foreign country as economic migrants and cannot find work, then surely they are in no better situation than back home so the common sense approach is for them to return to their homeland.
And guess which soft touch country they'll head for?
Look Mr Cameron you dont have to lay down and do what EU tell you too, you are our leader get our country sorted out we cannot afford to give our jobs away , you want to lower the unemployed numbers well give them the jobs instead and make it compulsory they have to work for any benefit, working is not just about wages its about self esteem, pride, and feeling you are part of something the young at the moment dont have this opportunity and that means bored,no money, no outlook which we all know can lead to crime, and anti social behavoiur and general discontent, you are not being fair to your own people the young of today will be looking after you when your old help them to help themselves
If those people arre just to collect money, then it is the right of the Netherlands to require those people to leave. If they have a job, then they should be able to stay. But collecting money for doing nothing is not acceptable. To quote a previous reader, 'as long as the citizen is in work or is financially self sufficient', what is the problem? So, not working means not being self-sufficient and not working. The EU can not make this mistake in regard to the free movement of people and the right of them to work in a country. This law is saying that they have 3 months to get a job. I think this is more than sufficient if you are really looking for a job. The Court of Justice might be wrong to accuse the Netherlands from enjoying a position such as this. The Court can not enforce a law that does not exist in the book for the sake of proving that they are right. Then, it would be right for the Netherlands to sue the Court of Justice.
Oh a small country but has guts wonder which country could do with some
Good on the Dutch, about time the EU was told where to go!
I have always loved the dutch now i know why - good on them - NOW IF ONLY I HAD THE BALLS TO DO THE SAME
LAWS ARE FOR THE GUIDANCE OF ' THE WISE' AND THE 'BLIND OBEDIENCE ' OF THE FOOLISH. MIGRANT WORKERS have freedom of movement ' as long as they are working' and are self sufficient' in funding. E.U law. yet we are still paying them benefits .....? The Law does not require us or any other E.U country to do so...no wonder we are broke !! Benefits officers.... should be clamping down on all....... especially in maternity hospitals.... do not live here ??? PAY .
dump the EU.close borders.throw out illegals..stop overseas aid.family benifits and other tax funded hand outs..
If they dont work and dont speak the language then why should they be allowed to stay, you see, this is where the UK go wrong, too soft by far.
good for you Holland..lovely country..we need their leaders to replace our pathetic bunch.
"Poland’s economic affairs minister Waldemar Pawlak called the Dutch plans ‘worrying’" Well he would say that wouldn't he. They don't want to have to find jobs for 100's of thousands of Poles if they have to return. Not to mention the fact that there will be less money coming into their country from those that work abroad and send a high proportion of their wages (benefits?) back. Come on Cameron, grow a pair and stop sitting on your finger.
Again this is clear you can't just let a load of people in if they have no job or no prospects. The EU don't get it. It causes massive strains on systems, and local people pay more taxes. We're not seeing any net benefit of migration as has now been exposed in recent months. Of course the Polish PM calls it worrying, he wants Poles to go to all the other European countries offloading their unemployed so they can get work or benefits and send it back. Anyone with half a brain knows this. Britain has equally been thick because our recent governments just don't respect its own population or British. Charity begins at home and we get our own house in order first. It really is time for a revolution in the UK and time we dumped the Labour, Liberal and Tory parties once and for all. Cameron so far has been so disappointed, so many people had hoped, all talk. We need some real hard policies.
They shouldn't be here in the first place. There are plenty of Brits out of work who can't even get rubbish jobs because the Eastern Europeans are here. When they are here, they discriminate against the Brits, looking after their own first. I've seen it first hand. If we carry on like this, the Serbs will be here next and the cost is too high, for example, the NHS have to pay £60 per hour whenever they hire an interpreter.
The EU rules require a certain amount of 'fine-tuning'. The concept of 'free-movement' of citizens across national boundaries must be stopped, and a return to the original system of sealed borders in order to regulate human traffic with border controls reinstated. Countries must be free to refuse entry to, and repatriate those already in their countries to whom they cannot give employment. Holland, as is indeed both France and the UK, is currently groaning under the weight of unemployed foreigners from other EU states who have flooded in, and for whom, there is no employment. Such persons place a huge fiscal and logistical problem on the visited nation, health care, finance, housing etc. It isn't higher mathematics, or rocket-science, it is a simply understood, logistical fact! Too many people, not enough housing, not enough money to pay them all.
so do we but our corrupt govmnt only listen to their rich friends.
sounds like a bloody good idea to me. can it then be used on all the other free loaders who come into this country, that will have a very positive effect on our economy and allow british workers to get jobs and get the lazy gits who live life doing nothing to get of their asses and work.
The actions by the Dutch Politicians are the result of a very strong anti-immigrant vote by the Dutch electors. 'Solve the problem or get out.' However, the UK electors have sent the opposite message to their politicians. 'Carry on with your policies, we do not care and will continue to vote for you.' Politicians do what they are elected for. You UK lot have voted for soft immigration policies and you have got them. Long live Democracy. Just dont complain, since you UK voters are the ones responsible for the election of your parliament.
It's all going to collapse and sooner than we think. Our worries about the EU are the same being experienced by the people in all the EU countries. It's just the Eurocrats hooked on power and extravagant salaries/expenses who are fighting to keep the nightmare alive.
If only we only had to pay them the benefits they would get in their home country, most of them would soon go home!
Everyone who tries to better themselves and also help their families should be admired! those who are theives and robbers and rapists, should be imprisoned, then sent home.
Seems like common sense to me, but since when was the fools that infest Westminster ever credited with having any common sense?
It is a well known fact that the european union is a corrupt money making / taking club for those who praise the continuation of it and all those that run it , we should be allowed a referendum as to whether we want to remain or get out ,and like the Dutch throw out those that will not abide by our laws and deport those that break them , when will this goverement give the general public the right to speak and vote on to keep throwing into this money pit.I cannot believe that to leave this 'union ' we would be worse off than the £13 billion plus we presently pay out to Brussels each year , plus all the millions we pay to the eu immigrants that we are told we have to house and provide benefits to, take in and provide for them and their families including children in their own country who are not even living here.
What a sensible idea - we should copy the Dutch but extend it to apply to all immigrants with the further restriction that those ghranted work visas should be expelled if they are not employed using the skills on which the visa was based. As far as the EC is concerned we should be making a concerted campaign to cut back the activities of that body or, far better, get out of it altogether
Nothing wrong with immigration when both parties benefit and create a better country. But the immigration that Brits hate is where people come here illegally with no intention of working but to receive benefits whilst Brits are denied those. We are told by all the do gooders that hate us and their own country that we are rich and the rest of the world is poor and we have a duty to feed and finance the world. Come on in they insist, plenty of room and plenty of funds for benefits. Freedom of movement is always only one way.
If Holland can throw out the Migrants why do we not follow and let the EU go to Hell with all their rules. What is wrong with our Government that they cannot do the same - let us look after our own first.
Well done to the Dutch.. It's their example we should be embracing not the ones from the U.S.A.
Good for the Dutch. Cameron, are you listening
Why only Poles ? We must have every nation under the sun claiming benefits, so what is the benefit to this country by that happening ? ? ?
Send them all to Britain --we're the soft touch and mugs of Europe . When will we get the PROMISED referendum on membership of the Euro pig trough . NEVER --because politicians of all parties are frightened of the answer . Are we governed by mice or men ( or women ) . Well done the Dutch .
Brussels is afraid other countries may follow suit? Would that be the example set by the Dutch, or the French in expelling or proposing to expel migrants? Or, is it simply that Brussels is afraid that an outbreak of common-sense may catch on?
Lets all move to poland its empty now nice place crap wages though.
I'm not surprised by the action of the Dutch government,the whole purpose of a democratically elected government is to look after the interests of it's own people.....& just who elected anybody in Brussels????
I am a British migrant worker in the Netherlands, I've been here 11 years and we have built up our work, home, friends and family here in the Netherlands we have almost nothing to go back to in Britain. I have paid into the the Dutch tax system which incidentaly is very high, and I feel that I have a right to the benefits and services I have contributed to over the last decade. The very idea that if the worst came to the worst and I lost my job some anti-EU politician could take that all away is very scary. Fortunately I have learnt the language but my Scottish husband has not been able to, does that mean they'd try to separate us by kicking him out?
The solution would be to leave the EU. There are too many rules and regulations. This organisation looked good on paper but in practical terms, it is shambolic and it doesn't work.
Unless EU members have welfare and housing benefits parity movement is going to essentially be a one way street, to the detriment of the host country. And forget the red herring of British (self financing pensioners in Spain). The EU socialist elite care not for the consequences of their policies, only the creation of a EU empire with them in charge. Britain has been the Biggest looser, caught between the EU, the ECHR, and predatory lawyers. But at least the Kinnock Clan have grown very rich.
Hallelujah! At last, people in other European countries are starting to wake up. If you have a job, you should be able to remain in another EUSSR country, if you haven't, you should go home. Unfortunately, since the st of May, we in the UK are now inviting people here specifically to claim benefits. Mad, absolutely mad!
They should not be allowed to claim anything which they can't claim in their own country. . . . It should also be reciprocal. . . We should be allowed to claim if we go to their countries. . . . . Let's be fair.
I am a skipper on commercial boats in Lagos, Portugal. Last year the port captain decided that only skippers with Portuguese boat licenses could drive commercial boats operating out of ports in his area - against EU laws I would have thought, but none of the boat businesses dares to challenge him for fear of reprisals. Fortunately I have a portuguese boat licence as well as my english one.
We should take a leaf out of Holland's book and do the same thing here,and I applaud the Dutch for taking a tough line on this,and this is coming from someone who had 2 Polish grandparents who came over here after World War 2 who worked and settled here and became British citizens.If they were alive today,then they would agree with the Dutch and say that we should do the same.
Hang on this can't be right -------a politician with balls I didn't know the EU countries had any of those
Interesting that the Polish Economic Minster finds the Dutch decision worrying. Is this because once the Dutch have expelled the Poles who can't ( or won't) find work, then the Polish government will have to pay their benefits ? A country having to look after its own unemployed - unthinkable !!!
If more countries - starting with us - supported the Dutch, and decided to follow suit, that would be game, set and match, to commonsense.
As long as they don't come here....
Good for the Dutch. Everyone else should follow suit.
Sounds like the Dutch have the right idea!
Don't just say it DO IT, the sooner one country or another has the guts to do this the better we will all be. You never know we may even be lucky enough to be witnessing the fall of the E.U. Now there's something to look forward to.
What's the problem with that? I thought that was the rule anyway? You have no rights to sponge if you haven't had employment? Is this an admission that we are NOT kicking out the spongers? How silly of me, of course we aren't.....
I really don't understand. If EU rules state open movement 'as long as the citizen is in work or is financially self sufficient', what is the problem? Citizens that are neither working or with private income lose their rights, surely? If I'm missing something will somebody PLEASE explain. Because it looks to me like countries are being expected to exceed what was agreed and signed up to and that can't be right, can it? - Trudi, Worcs, 05/7/2011 04:49 Trudi to my knowledge there have or are changing the law so EU workers are entitled to claim the full range of benefits from day one with or without a job or being self sufficient.
There also shouldn't be benefits for imigrants who don't speak the language of the country they are living in. Why they should get them if they are very often not bothered to learn the language. Also no child benefits if children are not living in the country e.g. father is working in UK and mother is still with kids in Poland. And saying that i am Pole.
Congratulations Netherlands lead the way, because soon Germany and France will be following your example. Eventually Britain will cotton on too, but alas we're always the last to follow common sense.
You watch the Dutch go whilst Camoron and Clegg and Cable sit by watching the world go by. Two of these, the Lib Desperados actually want immigration increased, yes, incredible isn't it. Partcularly galling when firstly hardly anyone actually voted for them and secondly their vote has all but dwindled to almost zero. We need an election now.
Wish our government had thast sort of backbone. If they did, people wouldn't have to sell their houses to pau for care in their old age and we probably wouldn't be in half the financial mess we're in now.
I am a Pole and i agree with that. It is very embarassing for me to see other Poles who are e.g. in UK and don't work because they don't want to or can't speak english and only are coming here because of benefits. I work hard since the day i came here. Besides these not working but taking benefits are not doing good for the rest of us who want work and works.
I would back him, actully, bring him here to sort BRITAIN out, sorry we have lost the GREAT, nothing Great about us any more. Diane. Liverpool
So they allow open movement so long as they are in work or self sufficient? Then why do they draw benefits?
Your comments:this is what this country should be doing with all the EU migrants. but they do not have the guts. I hope the Dutch wins their case.
Go Holland! No work= No benefits, simple. As a migrant worker, return home or move on. Good luck to anyone learning Dutch, its a nightmare language to learn - but when you do take the time to learn, that is when true integration happens - and that is what the Dutch want.
Sounds common sense to me.
If the Spanish decide to expel the British that cant speak the language look out! You will have 800,000 back in blighty......... - Billy Bob, London, 4/7/2011 18:16****** The difference is that most Brits in Spain are not on benefits and the Dutch are looking to apply this rule to benefit applicants only !
Excellent move Dutchies and thanks very much, because that'll be another 500,000 heading for these shores - marvellous!
Every year 100s of billions of Euros are collected in the rich economies of Western Europe to finance and sustain Eastern European member States of the EU, yet millions of Easter Europeans come to western europe and profit of our generous benefit system. In the spirit of fairness we should reduce any amount of European aid to let say Poland by the amount of benefits polish people take in western europe, but as it is we cannot keep paying twice for Eastern Europe with our taxes and benefits, this has to stop.
What about the non EU migrants?
I agree witht the proposal. We as tax payers should not have to cover the cost of benefits for people who have either never worked or not paid into the tax system long enough. The simple answer would be that you are not allowed to enter the country unless you have a job placement already,
Damn good idea, BRITAIN take note
I agree with the Dutch people , if they are not working we should not pay then benefits but cover the cost of a ticket back to their native countries. Why should I as a tax payer all my working life pay for people who have never paid into our tax system?. Before people are allowed to the UK they should show that they can fund themselves if they have no work
Learn to speak Dutch......even the Dutch mainly speak english.
Strait speaking honest Dutch, go for it 100%.
Send them home, it makes sense, but sense isn't part of our makeup anymore, we have people of 'conscience' directing us, who consider any immigrant worthy of special treatment, even if they do nothing, have no natural connection with us, even break the laws and make our lives less,so long as it is for their benefit and lets our luvies chatter and feel good.
Good for the Dutch. Let us join them. All who enter the UK to live should:- 1. Speak our language. 2. Have a job to come to, or have a private income and not be a burden on the state. 3. Have a willingness to integrate. 4. Live by our laws, not change them to suit their former lifestyle.
There are plenty of hardworking Polish people - the problem is the ones who came over as builders and stayed after the credit crunch as benefit tourists. My neighbour let an expensive one-bed flat to a Polish couple who got several friends in to help with the rent. Once they lost their jobs they stopped paying rent and started playing music all night, sleeping all day and trying to get a council house. Despite barely speaking English they know all about their “rights” and entitlements. Although they were on a one month contract it took him ten months of legal process to evict them, and even then they didn’t go until just before the bailiffs arrived. They managed to live nearly a year rent free – so much for the greedy landlord.
If the Spanish decide to expel the British that cant speak the language look out! You will have 800,000 back in blighty......... - Billy Bob, London, 4/7/2011 19:16 If the Spanish did that, their already weak economy would completely collapse and the social unrest that followed would make the riots in Athens look like the Teddy Bears' Picnic
I'm no great fan of the Dutch, but at least they are addressing this problem where our useless crowd of numpties keep cramming in more and more migrants to the detriment of the British people. Cameron hasn't the balls to go against his masters, it would mean he wouldn't be in line for a prime place at the Eurotrough when he gets kicked out at the next election.
Good for the Dutch. Now Cameron what about us threatening the same. Added to that a threat to pull out of the EU altogether. Lets see some guts for a change. With a threat to pull out maybe France, Spain, Germany and the other EU countries will see that we won't stand for being their cash cow and back off.
The Dutch government is also proposing to charge illegal immigrants and failed asylum seekers for the cost of their deportation and repatriation.
What a good idea but, I can see that it infringes EU rules. However, all is not lost, whilst we await the result of the Dutch, fighting it out with Brussels, we can take a similar approach with the countless thousands of jobless and non English speaking immigrants from elsewhere in the world.
For small country with a low population, I can see why this is an issue. I still believe that migrants should be capped even from the EU as the amount coming to Britain was seriously underestimated. If 500,000 British nationals decended on Poland, then I think Poland would have the same concerns,
Maria Sheffield says' Yeah, but they are self-supoorting mostly, not claiming benefits, i.e. retired. You sure about that? From my experience if those on benefits came back from the sun that would be quite a lot!
I hope the Dutch take the lead.Watch the house of cards come tumbling down!.
In Germany you simply cannot go and sponge off the state. You have to show you either have employment or enough savings in the bank. Otherwise you will be deported. I am sure this is exactly what Holland is thinking of doing. It is a pity the UK cannot do the same instead of muttering "it is against EU rules". It apparently isn't.
Mz Reding seems to like to threaten countries ,she did the same with Britain over some issue. Unlike the Dutch Britain rolled, Cameron should take note of what the Dutch are saying, however he does have greasy Clegg to worry about.
Good on the Dutch-great people(visited there many times) with a govt who actually tries to looks after its own people. I hope you're listening Cameron and you support the Dutch on this issue because people in the UK are getting heartily sick of immigration here. These Eastern European migrants take jobs, are a drain on the health system and other government services and don't even spend in the UK most what they earn or receive in benefits-instead sending it back home. The only people who want them here are greedy employers seeking slave labour. Once again Cameron-you had better support the Dutch on this issue because people have had enough.
All praise to the Dutch. Quote from the report "All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding." Did I get that right, 'either working or self sufficient in funding!' What part of this EU directive does our government not understand. They work, fund themselves or get sent back - NO BENEFITS.
The good old Dutch, yet again leading the way whilst other countries such as ours dither and flounder, well the weak politicians we mean. Then again, we are totally aware of their incompetence, lies and deceptions, and still they cower to the bullies of the EU junta. Britain is awash with Eastern Europeans, such as the Poles. Sometimes I wonder which country I am in as the women gather with their kids, now they told us these people were here to work, where then. Benefits for all in Britain, advertise the EU junta, but not from their own countries. We are being abused at a very high level, and still the current government blame the other lot who preceded them. No more pathetic excuses, action is what we need radically to salvage our countries future..If this lot can't or won't then we cannot wait 5 years of their perpetual abuse on our nation. Out of the EU, no excuses, reasons, pitfalls or whatever other excuses they give. we want out at any cost which will be our saving grace....
I hate to say it: I am glad I'm in my 80's. The way this once Proud Nation is going is heartbreaking. I don't think I could stand 20 years of it; let alone 80. Hard workers penalised; Parasites rewarded. PoliticianÂ’s telling more and more outright lies. Making promises they have no intention of keeping. The list is endless. It's such a pity because life is a wonderful gift and blessing.
This rule should apply to the UK as well.
I really don't understand. If EU rules state open movement 'as long as the citizen is in work or is financially self sufficient', what is the problem? Citizens that are neither working or with private income lose their rights, surely? If I'm missing something will somebody PLEASE explain. Because it looks to me like countries are being expected to exceed what was agreed and signed up to and that can't be right, can it?
If the Spanish decide to expel the British that cant speak the language look out! You will have 800,000 back in blighty..... - Billy Bob, London, 4/7/2011 18:16 Yeah, but they are self-supoorting mostly, not claiming benefits, i.e. retired. If they are looking for work they probsblt can't get a job without speaking Spanish...
The Dutch have always been more active than us Brits...about time we took a leaf fron their notebook....
And where is the unalloyed benefit that derives from 'the European system of freedom of movement'? Essentially all it means is poor people from Eastern Europe seizing the opportunity to seek work or benefits in Western Europe. It is time some of the myths of the advantages of immigration were exposed. I accept that migrants often work hard and may be better qualified than native Britons (hardly a difficult achievement) but what proportion of their income is then sent home rather than circulated in the UK economy? How many immigrants are receiving benefits for themselves or their dependants out of all proportion to any contribution they may have made to the system? The Dutch are simply being pragmatic and should be applauded for that. As to the EU functionaries like Ms Reding, we should start telling them to listen to reason and remember that the tail does not wag the dog.
We see that it can be done. Go for it Mr. Cameron. Ignore that pathetic crowd that you have with you.
The great Euro political union dream being exposed once again for what it really has become...the great European Con.
Good on the Netherlands, a stand needs to be made against the EU empire building oligarchs, the system doesn't work, is overtly unequal, open to shocking abuse and run by the self serving. It stands for all thats rotten about present global politics. Do those in charge really believe that Europe is unable to run itself without big brother watching over.
At last the voice of reason. I hope Holland sticks to her guns and is not crushed by pressure from unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. May this be the start of many more cracks in this charade of a United Europe turning into shattered Grecian urns.
Holland, as long as you remain in the EU, you will have no say in the matter. Remember it's all theatre, designed to appear that your government has a say in such matters.
Breach EU laws? From what I've read for years the EU would have been long dead in the water if they didn't do that all the time.
To hell with EU Laws. Since when does Britain have to comply with them? We have our own Parliament to make out own laws - OR DO WE? If not why do we waste all our hard earned keeping the mob and hangers on in the Palace of Westminster.?
As each country struggles with the influx of immigrants, the only people failing to understand it are the officials of the EU who dream up these liberal schemes and ignore the results. Continuing their dogmatic approach will lead to Europe wide problems. There is nothing wrong wanting people to learn the language where they are living....its how the country is run and how the laws are applied....
"All people within the EU have a right to freedom of movement and work as long as they are either working or are self-sufficient in funding." So they don't have the right to claim benefits in the host nation then.
Go for it Holland. At least yor government has some backbone unlike the British government which just has a yellow stripe.
Join them!
Well it seems Holland is getting its act together, are you reading this Mr Cameron.
At last, the voice of reason and common sense. Are you there Dave or would this be too much for Nick ?
I have an idea . All these foreign people who are here living on welfare coz the "cant" get a job . Send them to Brussels .They want to make the rules so they can have them .
When will these morons in charge of Europe forget their egos and understand that for the majority of Europeans from the countries who are net payers 'in to' the system, this project isn't working. Sure, if you're from a net receiver country and have seen vast amounts of cash pumped into your country, or you've taken the opportunity to move to a country with excellent healthcare, schools and benefits that you are now entitled to, then Project Europe works fine. Or if you're in charge of the project and your pay and perks insulates you from the madness engulfing the average Britain/Dutchman. Thankfully some countries are saying enough...the French to Tunisian/Arab immigrants, the Dutch to Polish unemployed, and the Brits to pretty much anything to do with Europe. Time to finally kill off this disaster I think.
Please please send them here....Dodgy Dave will welcome them with open arms.....
Perhaps the UK will have the guts to follow the Dutch example? Well, I can dream, can't I?
So the unelected EU are now THREATENING all member states, to comply with EU RULES about 'freedom of movement between member states'? OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DON'T? Dutch minister Henk Kamp is merely being sensible and doing right by his people, that is admirable and I sincerely hope he stands by his word. I also hope we DO the same, for calm and collective defiance will weaken that damn Marxist EU to the point of its demise. How dare they start to threaten us all? We want to come out of that EU dictatorship Mr. Cameron!
I hope the Dutch stand their ground and thus set a precedent. They are only doing what other countries around the world are doing, anyway - look at the democratic, developed countries in the Far East - ALL of them have a "if you can't pay your way, you're out" system. Australia, America, Canada also have it... what is wrong with us???
Well done Holland......Hopefully you will follow through with these proposals... If only we had a government with the balls to stand up for our national interests .
This seems a perfectly reasonable step to take by the Dutch. If they have no job after 3 months and no prospects of work, why would they want to stay anyway, other than for benefits. The UK government should support this position and should take a similar position, I think the UK electorate would fully support this stance.
The EU will make their position loud and clear (looks like the EU military will get their first outing invading the Netherlands. Why cant we get some politicians that speak up for their own. No problem with Poles working here but if they cannot support themselves without benefits they should return, the same with all EU citizens it is what they would expect of us if Britain lived off their system.
France need to see the benefits Polish workers bring to this country. They are hard workers and i have never heard them complain about working long hours. Polish kids dont want to spend their parents money they want tearn their own.
Anyone know what they feed those strawberry plants in the picture? Liquid seaweed and Epson salts are magical, but these plants are extraordinary.
Bravo Holland! now, if we could just borrow your leaders to come and do the same over here...
Perhaps Mr,Mikolaj Dowgielewicz could tell us why they are leaving Poland in the first place.
Unlike the UK they have politicians there with a thing called a spine. They will carry it out regardless of what the EU says because it is for the benefit of their country which they put first and foremost. A pity our sad, sorry lot couldn't follow suit.
sounds a great idea and if it strains relationships so what?
'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' Good, I hope it does - then our own government might actually find it within themselves to grow a pair and do likewise!
If Holland can do this, then it clearly shows that the UK has no guts to stand up to the EU
The Dutch were one of the first countries to join the common market. Now that it's become the EUSSR they want out. They're not the only ones. Even the French and Germans want out of this overblown monstrosity.
Just wait until Turkey gets membership; god knows what 'benefit' their membership will bring with them to the E.U. ? Being in the E.U. for the UK and most major countries such as Holland, Germany, France etc. in financial terms is like throwing a massive house party every week and ALL the poorer ' guests' consistently fail to turn up with a bottle.....but never leave the kitchen! Give us a referendum on E.U. membership so we can end this unelected madness.
"We are against discrimination against any European citizens......" What a load of absolute rubbish. Flooding western European countries with cheap eastern labour discriminates against our own citizens. It discourages businesses from training locals and is creating an unskilled population with all motivation kicked out of them.
Come on Daily Mail, its about time you joined the Express and called for a referendum on EU membership. The debate will make fantastic reporting and will give the people a voice. So come on Daily Mail... wheres that call for a peoples vote?
Oh I'm all for it...Holland sets the way...and the UK should follow it's lead ! Deport ALL foreigners period ! Britain for the British first and last ! Immigrants in a Country struggling with wars and too many economic, unemploment and crime problems...committed by foreigners...the UK does NOT need ! It's time for a government and parliament that pulled out ALL the stops and threw the lot of those useless, crime oriented, freeloader bums out and the hell with what the EU thinks !
So, even Holland, one of the most tolerant countries when it comes to immigration has at last had enough. Why is Britain so reluctant to take the action it needs to to protect itself against abuse. The pressure put on the NHS, schools and other public services by uncontrolled immigration is unsustainable.
I used to work for a while in Holland, specifically in a small town called Houten about 30 mins by train outside of Amsterdam. And I LOVE THE DUTCH. They were the friendliest, most accepting people to u English who were working in their country. I was there to do a job, I did it and then I left. If I'd had gotten injured then my flight home would have been covered under the travel insurance that I paid for. In short - you want to come to Britain, bring wither money or insurance. Dont turn up empty handed.
A collision with the EU.... countries like Holland, France Germany & Britain are the EU.... lets get real without these main players/payers... there would be no EU. I admire Holland's stance
'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' There's freedom of movement and then there's stupid un common sense that says someone that doesn't speak the local language can wander into the country, NOT WORK and still collect benefits!! The dutch have the right idea. Pity we have spineless wimps that can only talk the talk as our "leaders"
So, The Netherlands is getting sensible on immigration issues, as France and Denmark have been. Will Britain follow suit? I doubt it, our politicians are far too stupid to use any common-sense.
Shock horror. What about the babies who were born in Holland and therefore have the right to stay there?
If foreign nationals are unemployed their own govt should pay benefits at the home country rate ,through the host country.If that amount has to be topped up then Brussells should pay the host country out of EU funds.
Send them to Belgium and let the EU deal with them directly. GB should be doing the same. Deport those who are not wiling to work but still collecting obscene benefits along with those who are unable to find jobs and don't speak the language. We should have some basic rules here.
Quite right, Holland!
> He also plans to withhold welfare benefits from people who do not speak Dutch. Don't you need to be able to speak German in Austria to qualify for welfare? Shouldn't we be copying them?
'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' Good, I hope it does. "Freedom of movement" completely destroys culture and community and leads directly to terrorism and revolution. You only have to look at the profound mess the UK is in to understand that.
We should be taking the same approach as at the Dutch. Good for them.
I think that Mr. Kamp has valid points. The Dutch are now showing their teeth as they have had enough too. As for it would also stop free movement. I say bring it on. I would rather have very strict border controls on the Island we live on, than the amount of foreign criminals we have who have basically just walked in to carry on their enterprises somewhere else. We can count them in and out again with positive ID checks. As for the EU saying that all members states are equal and the rules transparent.
3 Cheers for Henk Kamp. If anyone from any country goes to another country for work, but can't find it, then it's time to for them to pack their bags and leave, NO IF'S, NO BUTS.... Every government should put THEIR OWN people first, Only now are people realising the devastation that the EU are doing with their freedom of movement for Europeans. The NHS, Schools,Benefits System,Jobs, Wages and Housing but to name a few have all suffered immensely because of EU dictators. The sooner the EU collapses the better.
'Jobs the Dutch won't do'? 95% of these picking and bulb farming jobs *were* done by the Dutch until the A8 countries joined, just as 95% of warehouse jobs in Britain were done by the British. So now the British 'don't want to do the jobs the Polish do', and the Dutch are the same? I don't think so. These are jobs the employers don't want the British or Dutch to do.
Well done the Dutch, it should be copied here.
AT LAST A COUNTRY WITH A BACK BONE WE SHOULD COME OUT OF THE EU IT IS BLEEDING THE COUNTRY DRY. CAMERON AND CLEGG ARE ALSO BRINGING THE COUNTRY TO ITS KNEES. I THANK GOD THAT I AM ON MY WAY OUT OF THIS WORLD,AND NOT ON MY WAY IN.THE CUTS TO THE NHS ARE DIABOLICAL
I will vote for that...........come on Dave.................support the Dutch and extend it to all the other NHS and benefit scroungers here in the UK that I am paying for through my taxes.
I'm liking the Netherlands more each day. All of Europe needs a common sense, secure, safe immigration policy.
..well done Holland a step in the right direction..oh!.. & screw 'the EU rule book' it has NO validity 'till we (in the UK) get the long promised referendum on our 'position' of being dictated to by these over-paid/gravy-train, un-elected,self-serving champaign socialists!..don't hold yer breath for our useless lib/lab//con excuse for a govt. to grow a backbone & follow suit..however i recommend voting a UKIP govt. in to sort this long festering big problemo!
When its the french or the germans the "rulebook" is sidestepped. When it comes to bailing our crippled economies, which is against the rules, the rules are ignored The British people were robbed of their say in being a part of this communistic state Until they are given a say the money going to the EU is theft and our politicians are committing a treason against the people they are supposedly elected to represent
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a country trying to protect it's own culture, heritage, language etc. Pity Britain could not do the same, we would have more employment for Brits and less burden on our social system, but alas our polititions are too gutless to ever make a stance like this.
If Mr Kamp wanted to be our head of government we would welcome him with open arm's. See Dave he has a pair, unlike you.
Doooooo it!!!
The EU is a con, a farce, and one of the most corrupt organisations in the West today. We ALL need to stand up to it, and can begin by supporting the Dutch.
brilliant...........lets do it in england
The Dutch seem to have the right idea. Why can't we mimic this?
some one ....who has some balls for a change
Lead the way Holland!
Holland has a government with balls. Pity we don't. Leave the EU now and get back our freedom.
Slowly but surely the EU is starting to unravel, and hopefully the end is in sight. Oh Happy Days.!!! If we had politicians with any backbone we could hasten the end of the nightmare.
Good for Holland, putting their Citizens first. I hope it catches on.
Well done Holland - now it's time for other countries to do the same. Taking this action does not stop 'freedom of movement - FOR WORK - within the EU. There is no reason why those who are not Dutch citizens should be allowed to claim the welfare benefits on offer to the Dutch citizens who have PAID into the system. This is simply common-sense. If the Poles in Holland can't find work - then they should return to Poland. They should not be allowed to remain - NOT WORKING - but claiming from the Dutch system. It is a very important move by Holland; it is one that should be taken by every sovereign country in the EUSSR. If you are not a citizen of a host country, and you are not working and cannot support yourself - then you should return home, and not be a drain on the host country. There is nothing in making such a decision that contravenes the 'freedom of movement' within the EUSSR.
Well done Holland, just wish we had someone with guts here.
Glad to know it's not just us. And no benefits for people who don't speak the language - UK please take note!
We ll have some of that here, please
WELL DONE THAT MAN!
Have you seen this Dave?, someone with B**l"s for a change, doing what it's people wish. So why can't you?.
Have you seen this Dave?, someone with B**l"s for a change, doing what it's people wish. So why can't you?.
Poland fears other countries may follow the Dutch example. ============== Don't worry, I know one country that won't.
f that doesn't work then pass a law that only pays the same benefits as they would receive in their home country. That's what the US does to stop people from traveling from state to state trying to find better benefits. We need to do something fast, as other EU countries go down the debt trail, more of the citizens are coming here for the free lunch. I know several from Spain are heading here to live on jobseekers and housing benfits
Lets hope this is the start of a break up of the EU
Mr Cameron - take note! Some governments put their own country first! Why don't you try it.
"'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' " _________________________________________________________________Good.
The Dutch people choose to be in the EU, and should therefore accept that the EU makes their laws.
I have a question. Why would the Dutch, English, German hard working taxpayers will pay (social benefits) for people not from their country? If they dont find work and cant support themselves then they can claim benefits in their OWN county. We will not pay for them...........
And why not it makes sense. Hopefully the UK will follow and the EU will get the message.
Good on the Dutch, shame we don't stick two fingers up to the eu and do the same.
Employers tell us, ad nauseum, that the Brits have no work ethics, that is why they employ eastern europeans. Are we then to assume that the Dutch are similarly afflicted?
When Germany wakes up to its guest workers perhaps the UK will do something about all of there's. The French don't have quite the same problem as if you don't speak French there are no alternatives and handouts are for the French only, that's why they send them on to England.
Good for Holland ..With a bit of luck many many others will join the crusade and get each and every country out of this corrupt circusand bring the whole corrupt money pit crumblingdown . I just hope I live to see the day...
Every 'intelligent' person in Europe needs to bury the EU, and go back to being individual sovereign states and end this anti-democratic communist cesspit for good!
Well done at least one lot of Europeans appear to have a sense of fairness and some guts to tell brussels to sod off.
I think you will find that a majority of western europe citizens will not find this proposal "worrying".
At last a European country led by people with intelligence. I hope Cameron is following this story and has the nerve to do the same.
If the Spanish decide to expel the British that cant speak the language look out! You will have 800,000 back in blighty.........
It seems that when you abide by the rules the EU redifine them without any democratic decision making process taking place.
the commissioner warned and added: 'All member states are equal and the rules are transparent.' If this is true, why do other EU countries funnel all the migrants (many from their own ex colonies) into Britain. We are then forced to abide by EU legislation while the other EU countries criticize us if we complain that our own people are being pushed to the back of the queue. If all countries are equal, why do British citizens have to prove that they can support themselves in other EU countries, whereas we are apparently breaking the rules if we suggest other EU citizens should do the same? If we are all equal, why can students from the EU get EU grants to attend UK universities, whereas British students cannot get grants to attend EU universities? The list of unequalities is endless
Brilliant idea. Good work Netherlands. Also, 'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' GOOD.
'This development is dangerous and could lead to the collapse of the European system of freedom of movement.' with a bit of luck.....
!0 years , out in 4, and then they are going straight , yea right. And to make matters worse we cannot deport them , and we will have to supply them with a house & benefits , and a car and free everything and ...................
where are we going to get out of trhe EU and start seting up proper borders again, and for the Eatern pack countries to need to have visas? Politicians are a total waste of time.
remember that it was Tony Blair who championed the invitation to lots of bankrupt east European states to join EU. It was his dream and now others have to pick up the pieces
Our borders are open for day-tripping criminals. Labour, and its voters, must be proud.
The "benefits" of belonging to the EU-SSR and its "open door immigration" policy! When will our cretinous MPs realise that the safety and security of their constituents take priority over any pie-in-the-sky European integration wet dream?
Hopefully they will put in a claim for their Human Rights soon.
another reason to get out of the EU,when is the referendum then?
Come one, come all. It's enough to make you spit - although I'm sure I could get arrested for that.
Wonderful open borders,leadind to a multicultural criminal free for all in this country of ours.Very sad is it not.
"used cheap seats to commute to UK for raids" Did anyone expect they went in first class, honestly? That would eat the "profit". Anyway, jail for all the scumbags.
there you are Davie and Nick - you are the ones welcoming these bandits into our country
Good old (NEW)Labour what a legacy you have left behind.Traitors all of YOU!!
Criminal 'Jeux Sans Frontieres'! What else should we expect from a Europe under the control of a corrupt EU government? A custodial sentence of only 10 years is not a sufficient punishment or deterrent for determined criminals like this. Life at hard labour would be more like it, loaded with solitary confinement for non-working hours.
Hnmm
I am from Estonia, and I really think that it's disgusting. Living in UK for us is of course something different for us, but living in cave, being homeless?! It's shame! It is, because we already have a lot of homeless, and let them be in our country. What I'm trying to say that UK i very great country and discussing here about a homeless man from Estonia that aspires to be nice and decent. I have the same feeling when someones reputation falls and falls and falls. We don't want others to see our weak or bad sides. We want to mend them ourselves.
It doesn't matter where one go: if you go with the same mind, you will end up back the same way. What's the point of coming into the UK when doesn't know how to use the chance to self leverage: learn a trade, pay for a course,dress up decently and learn to respect each individual....it's not comet science is it?
Go home then, or get a job and contribute to society. Pretty simple really
I'm from Estonia(russian speaking)too! If you have will and desire you can find a job and live normal life.This guy made his choise as millions made their... I started from low paid job:labouring,worked long hours and almost no weekends.After 10 years being here(have different job ) I can afford lots of things I couldn't even dreamed about. People are just lazy,many enjoy living on other people expenses and taxes... If everyone would have a mentality like a Japanese people UK would be a better place..Just my 2p..Thank you for reading..
It is really sad to read another sad story of an Estonian whose dreams about a simple life in abroad has been collapsed. Even sadder for me, as an Estonian, is to read comments from Estonia on this matter. It is really meaningless to bring up our salary or pension level in Estonia in this context. I¿m almost sure that our embassy can arrange his return home. However, the problem is if he really wants? But does he?
mmetsas, 18:32 = Can you write that again in english because that was complete gibberish.
est, 1719 = Estonia is your problem it does not give you all the right to come here turning our country into a slum, stay put and sort your own problems out.
In the 2 World War II we was ready given our life or we would have died for you Brits! Now, are you not even a little bit of power TAKE CARE of our missing or lost a son. Shame on you! In life is not easy, my mom will be 200EUR a month and she is kindergarten teacher!
Give them the plane fare home and escort them on the plane.
If their home nations had a shred of self respect, obviously there is none for the UK, they would take responsibility for repatriating them. IN/OUT Referendum NOW.
GO HOME you must have caves in your own country.. Why come here to Stockport who told you where the caves are? We have our own Homeless do not add to it.. No doubt you will have a mobile phone.. We have become the begging bowl of the world..
Your comments:I am from Estonia and should say that many people in country have minimal salary, it is 280 euro in MONTH. And government doesnt care about us, they stole EU money and for them everything is OK. Do U think those people want to live in UK in caves? Welcome to Estonia with salary 280 euro, live and enjoy!!!!
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Yeah. It's their choise to be there! But they have no money to go back home. That's why they are still there I guess.
Yeah it's their own choise you say , okay . But now they just can't go to their own countrey to their own home. They have no money for that! ;)
Poor Law and work houses were better than this.
These people have homes to go to in their own countries. It is their choice to be here unlike our own homegrown homeless who genuinely have nothing and nobody!
There is nobody forcing them to live in these caves it is entirely their own choice.
that's a mansion to those people !!
No one is forcing them to live in the caves it is entirely their own choice.
If they live so bad why did they come here !!!!!!! The people have a right to a duty of of Care and its up to there Embassy to pay for their fare home and rehouse house them in there own countries Its NOT the duty of the Council they should put pressure on the Embassies It not our fault and the British taxpayer should not be picking up any bills
People, lets come down to earth and see this situation as it is. The ones sitting next to computer reading this sad news are part of the problem created by the society we live in. The ones who live in the caves are part of the problem too. We are not so far from each other. I think instead of writing about it and looking down on it, we should be taking this seriously and trying to solve the situation. That there would not be people living in the middle of the plastic bags that we, oh so proudly, consume. We are not better that they are. We just have different problems. I think we need each other to understand the situation of our dear planet.
Then here is a novel idea.......GO HOME
I think that is his rubbish and will be left when he decides to move on, with the taxpayer footing the bill to clean it .up!
But they all get social housing as soon as they arrive in the UK.................You told us.
Why are people blaming the EU for this? It is the result of policies pursued by our Government. Brussels whatever your view on it cannot do anything about this, it simply lacks the power. Look instead to local and national government. This kind of thing is a disgrace and our government should make it a priority to sort it out, along with the equally scandalous situation of food banks providing food for half a million desperate Britons. These situations do not exist because of the EU, they exist because our government has made deliberate choices to cut the benefits system, 'sanction' people without much of a reason, and thus allow people to fall into this sort of situation. Write to your MP and make an issue of this, or it will just continue and one day it may be you.
Stockport is not in Manchester
My son used to play in those caves when he was a kid.
I am Estonian and Really I have very bad feeling when I read this stuff and watch photos, how some people living .... why they don t come back home in Estonia ? I think If You not found happiness, then come back and try again live normal life. I m not understand , here is Your people and I think If You want and You try, then You can back come to life. Ok maybe they have some bigger problem in life and because they not come back. I don t know.....
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Do not feel sorry for them, suggest they go home
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Our once Great Britain has been turned into a slum, thanks to our softly softly governemts and the powers that be in Brussels, eventualy the real people of our once proud country will revolt and do something about it themselves, because our governments sure as hell wont.
France has got 4 times the land of the UK, but still they come to this crowded little island.
So when typhoid takes hold followed by TB someone may try and do something but it will be too late because an epidemic would be on the go. A frightening but possible scenario. Close the area off put slurry on the ground and people won't want to go there.
"Are you watching dave? ...... pictures ........commonplace, and you will be sacked". And be replaced with WHAT?? Are you so deluded as to believe anyone, Labour or UKIP, will stop this? Labour signed us up to this "travel around Europe with impunity" crap and Labour are totally to blame for the situation we are in now. They threw benefits at anyone who landed here be they legal or not. Listen to Mandelson and weep. I would like to see figures for any British people who are living in a cave, or on the streets, of any other member state in this nasty Union. I can guarantee they will be minimal. And you know why - no other country would be idiotic enough to allow this to happen. Due to an increasingly lefty liberal elite, brought up on faulty social science concepts, we are reaping the benefits of years of complacency. If you want changes (and they will have to be tough and nasty) get out and VOTE. Stop moralising and whingeing from your armchairs or bedrooms.
Get an aircraft carrier round them all up in UK and send em back at the same time give us our Referendum
even living in a cave theres no need to live in abject squalor
Send these squatters and low lives back to their own countries before they wreck every aspect of British life.
JUST SEND THE PICTURES TO RUMANIA AND BULARIA
Haven't seen anyone saying that they were evicted from their cave, yet.
dOES IT MATTER WHAT TYPE OF pARLIAMENT WE; WHAT WE NEED ARE POLITICIANS WHO HAVE THE GUTS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS.
It is an infestation.
Your comments:the guy in the cave will get a council tax bill!
Well said, Jim! These different governments of ours suffer from the same disease now and in the past. Workers as long as they are CHEAP! If you don't do it for sixpence the somone else will do it for fourpence.
I live in the area and didn't know about these caves.....now I know and cannot visit them. Go Europe.
BLAIR AND HIS GANG ARE MAINLY RESPONSIBLE,BUT AT THE LAST G.E.WE THOUGHT WE HAD VOTED FOR AN OUTFIT WHO WAS GOING TO SORT IT OUT????????????????????
Why done they go back and why did they come in the first place?
Is this what Britian has become; another reason to "GET OUT OF EUROPE" and then kick the whole damn lot of them out.
what exactly does the DM want? do they think that they should be given a council house? do they think they should receive social security payments? given the fare and a hand out to go home? the only way we can sort the mess out is to have an English parliament, but we will never get that. England and the English, you might not remember them, they used to exist but the politicians and news media have snuffed them out. Now they are called Brits and their country is called the ewe kay,
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB, LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 If you yoghurt knitting lefties get your way, we'll ALL be living on the streets before too long.
Nobody asked them to come here.
So why are we going to let in more and more - the streets of the UK are not paved with gold just litte,r scroungers and dog muck.
Oh go on,give them some housing benefits.
all those people who feel sorry for them. maybe should find a bed for them in their own homes.
What these people really need is a shovel, a broom and some lessons on hygiene. Better still how about NOT LETTING THEM INTO THE COUNTRY because good britains are going to be needing those caves pretty soon as the corporate led government with its inhuman taxing system starts ousting britons out of their homes because there is "No Profit" to come from people with no work.
Are you watching dave? Come next January these pictures will become commonplace, and you will be sacked.
this is why the goverment needs to stop any more coming in untill we can send some of the unwanted ones back,simple.
Are we meant to feel sorry for them? Why on earth did they come here to live in those conditions? Oh yes that's right - because it's easier than working for a living. This sort of story just drives home the message that IDS is right and the benefit culture has to stop.
they chose to come here,
Could be worse - at least they're not 30 miles downstream, next to the Scousers.
""A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.- Just Me, The North, United Kingdom, 13/6/2013 0:02 Errmm, is this a five minute argument, or the full 24 hours?
The state of the caves says a lot about the people who live there. Noting to stop them cleaning them up, putting rubbish in bags etc. They could at least take the trouble to keep them clean and tidy.
Sorry, nope, can't raise an ounce of sympathy. They CHOSE to leave their countries. They CHOSE to live there which, as they can CHOSE to return to their countries, must still be better than 'home'. The question is: do we have enough caves to house the hundreds of thousands who will be arriving in a few short months?
They are not forced to live there. Why don't they go back home?
I'm all for supporting them a ticket home,Bye
I wish poor people would stop and ask themselves honestly:Why am I poor? The answer maybe in this article.
Whys isn't the council doing something about this. The council should get off their backsides sort this out rather than harass motorists and tax payers.
If that's "home", why don't they spend 5 minutes tidying up?
VOTE UKIP--------- To take the nation back to the Stone Age.
They should pay tax to occupy those caves! Dirty scroungers!
Why is the government doing nothing to help?
This goes on and the Rich get even Richer than ever before under this Govt....and I voted for them !
They should go back to their own countries!
This is the nastiest government since God knows when. - piggy, london, 12/6/2013 19:44 What has this got to do with the Government these people landed on these shores with no jobs no money and obviously no plan on how they were going to live, i suppose you want everyone to be given homes and benefits as soon as they set foot here, you really do need to get into the real world
Come January 14th I believe they are entitled for benefits, housing, medicine, schools etc etc etc. Why cannot our political elite see the mess they have caused through forcing us into eu rules we the masses do not want. And no referendum (just don't buy the 2017 one as camoroon is so pro europe) So if you want out and this mess sorted use the election as a referendum and vote UKIP.
go home simple
then they should go back to their own country , why are the authorities allowing these squatters we surely have enough home grown without importing more. Thank you Brussels for trying to bring Britain down to the level of the Eastern countries these people come from and thank you Mr Blair and his party for assisting them .
I'm really surprised why Estonians or Czechs are going to UK. Do they really think UK is better? Both countries are quite wealthy. There's something wrong with these few people. My answer is - no. I've been living in UK, Czech republic and now back to Latvia and can honestly say - In czhech republic and/or Latvia (yes - even poor Latvia!!!) I am better off than UK.
a poor man is suffering and all you can do is debate weather he should be in this country or not.
it's only filthy because the people are. there is no reason not to pick up after yourself. even if you live in a cave.
We should not forget that humans lived in conditions like this for many Millenia. The trash they left behind is important archeological evidence.
The EU Parliament and social engineers in Brussels will fix the problem.
Shocking - this is ENGLAND in 2013.......something is seriously wrong with the UK and the direction it's being taken!
i do hope they are paying council tax!!
They are just biding their time until they can start claiming benefits and free housing.
I'd rather live in a cave than on a city sidewalk.
Why not go squat in an office building in France?
Wasn't there a 10p house for sale? Can't the government buy it and give a few unfortunate fellow countrymen a helping hand?
A home should be a human right. Build us homes!
" Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class"==> I am not surprise, because this middle class used to work, get steady job, do some saving, if you back in 2007/2008 when saving a bit high, and some business starting collapse especially Lehman Brothers, Icelandic bank , hence lots of redundancy, once this happen, the LGA at that time did not act quick enough to help them with the mortgage, hence now they have to repossess, they lost hope of working, they have no where to stay, but bare in mind they used to work, paying their tax and NI. The impact of losing jobs, and not able to pay mortgage is nightmare, as you can imagine not all people receiving income support etc. whilst people who are never work for over 20 years, have more than 4+ children can live with lavish style earned >£2K pcm from all taxpayers money.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
Divert them round to the MP's houses perhaps they would like to shack up in their gardens.
The Estonian man in the secret warren, perched on a 20ft precipice overhanging the River Mersey. REALLY? I WAS BORN IN STOCKPORT IN 1945 AND I THINK IT'S TIME I WENT BACK TO HELP CLEAN IT UP!
What exactly do people expect the government to do? They are all entitled to use the benefits system aren't they? Then they can start looking for jobs like everyone else. And if there are no jobs available, their local job center will see that as well, and that way the government will support them financially. And also another point - the government can't just magically make millions of jobs appear. If they could, I'd be happy to see what your solution is. And I'm sure the rest of the countries of this world would like to know as well...
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.
Down with the 1%.
I suppose they were "forced" to come here, and "forced" to strew their litter around. Not even an animal dirties its den. People used to live in caves until the 50s above the River Severn and elsewhere. As a child I saw their homes, so know what I'm talking about. I never saw any rubbish back then. They were clean and tidy people.
My daughter has lived in a hostel for nearly a year in one tiny room, with her 2 year old. she works but is a single parent. she has watched literally scores of overseas guests!! get housed in nice little new builds whilst she goes to the back of the queue!! Shes so dignified about it wishing them luck as they leave (they reply in broken English). Its heart breaking what is going on?
I don't care what the reason is, NO-ONE in England should have to live like this. It is to our shame! If we cannot sort ourselves out so that all our inhabitants live securely, with warmth and with food in their bellies, how the hell can we pontificate about what other countries should be doing and about rights? It's bloody disgusting! I feel ashamed.
Being homeless is one thing...being a filthy pig is quite another. Clean that stuff up.
Condom wrappers??These people live in caves and are getting action?? I guess I need to move
They do have somewhere to go --back to their own country, they are probably illegals anyway
"Sometimes kids come down and set fire to their sleeping bags when they're in them." WHAT?
That's shocking! In this day and age no one should have to live in such squalid conditions, they should be made to clear up their rubbish.
"Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.- Martha, Allotment, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 22:36 Tamara who?
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ? - Billy Middle England, Solihull, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 20:26 I visited them when i was a kid. They were actually quite comfortable not just 'caves' but normal looking rooms with fireplaces wallpaper etc. Don't know why your comment got red arrowed!
Nobody "forces" them to live in caves, your use of the English language is apalling.
I am assuming his is a Tax Payer funded sandstone cave near Stockport ? If you do not want to live in a cave in the UK, go home. Please.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013.......During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not. Aye, an' you try tellin' t'kids o' t'day that, an' they won't believe yer.
I feel sorry ,when they are forced to buy smokes and alcohol.
Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.
Welcome to Cameron's Britain.
And we're handing out overseas aid left right and centre while MPs are still completely oblivious in their ivory towers. Makes my blood boil.
For Stockport, that's a des res.
They should not be allowed in the country if they do not have a job, reasonable financial savings and a home to stay in. Close the borders.
plastic bottles as shoes binbag as a coat and a breezeblock wipe your bottom.
Big Society - Biggest load of old Bo*****s ever
They looking like they are having a great time! its just like camping but free! Perfect!!
We are now starting to look more and more like Eastern Europe - no surpise there
CaMoron, Osbourne, IDS and Hague should all be very ashamed and RESIGN!
Living in filth, is that what we have to look forward to when they move into ( a benefit funded ) house next door?
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy!
No matter how prosperous society becomes, there will always be people who will become homeless and not work or try to get a job. People who are hard working and honest and find themselves in this position because of bad luck or other valid reasons should be helped......Sadly, these people are in a small minority. Believe me, I've been there.
please look after the poor unfortunates in this country first Dave Cameron - this is scandalous
"Well, what did you expect in twenty first Century Britain?!"
big society eh?
Terrible situation, and it is totally unrealistic to say he should get a job. I was homeless and living on the streets years ago and it was really not that easy. The then new laws making it harder to evict unsuitable tenants made people wary of renting their spare rooms, and employers refused me without having a proper address, it was hard to keep clean & get a proper nights sleep , I was refused benefits without an address to sign on from, and 'live in' jobs were not forthcoming with nobody to vouch for you. It was a slippery downward slope and took months to get back on my feet again. For many years I have worked hard long hours but I will never forget those homeless days and now am so grateful for everything I have and the people that gave me a chance..
Things will only get worse. The rich will not care as the disadvantaged get shafted by this uncaring government
If this is how they treat their home I wouldn't want to be living anywhere near them, they probably have no respect for anything. At least animals are organic. Look at all that damn plastic! They don't deserve such beautiful surroundings if they treat it like this. If I had to live here I'd cut some wood and leaves and make a proper shelter, have a disposal area, cooking area etc. Useless!
These people are nearly all immigrants. Why are they here if they cannot afford to support themselves? I struggle to believe that they are all middle class people who have lost their jobs, it's laughable. I don't think that they should be living in caves, but why should we have to pay to provide them with accommodation? They should go back to their own countries.
it was good enough for mother shipton..............
THE UK IS FINISHED. ABSOLUTELY FINISHED. VOTE UKIP.
Did some of you not read the article properly? Just because the story highlights an Estonian man doesn't mean that he is the only one. The article also mentions that British middle class people have been affected, Benefit cuts, sanctions, changes to disability benefits bedroom tax, unemployment etc are affecting many many people in this country, many of whom are just like you and me (the wonderful taxpayers). It could be you next so think on, Daily Mail readers, before you make your sarcastic prejudiced comments.
OUToftheEU...............NOW!, before the bulgarians and Rumanians come next! the government of this country is pathetic, the only 'good job' they are doing is convincing even more people to vote UKIP next time round!
You would have to be cold hearted not to feel any sympathy for this guy but as a nation in severe financial crisis with many of our own people struggling we can't afford to house & feed everybody that manages to reach our shores. We're paying fortunes in overseas aid & health tourism on the NHS. The best way to help him is to put him on a flight back to Estonia, it has to be the responsibility of his own nation to look after it's own people not that our government could teach them much in that area.
Instead of giving immigrants houses and benefits, the government should see things like this and help our own. This is disgraceful in this day and age.
Just wait and see the homes materialise next January when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive,betcha anything they'll be housed chop-chop,it's only native Britons that will be given the bums rush.
maybe they should go back to eastern europe then im sure we have enough homeless of our own!
Perhaps if there were not so many foreigners taking up our housing and resources, then there would be plenty to go round.
just wait until next year when the romanians arrive. shanty towns aplenty in London and other major cities.
Wait until January next year.....we will see more cardboard cities and rubbish heaps of the immigrant poor free to seek work but with nowhere to live..
These are the people are international aid should be going too!!!!!
It's all going very well is it not!
Homelessness is nothing new, but the sadness is that it is not so difficult to sort out, except that the Shelter laws have put such high expectations on state accommodation that a box room is probably inadequate. These requirements for adequate housing mean well but also mean that more people are in danger of ending up on the streets because there is NO SUITABLE ACCOMMODATION, and the state does not want to be held responsible for infringing on people's rights by inadequately housing them. Well frankly anything is more suitable than a cold, wet, dangerous street.
When so many people can't afford to pay for their own food, why on EARTH are we paying taxes so that the MPs in this country get their weekly shopping for free?? Don't get mad at each other, it takes attention away from the people who are truly ruining this country.
Why are these people here? If they cannot support themselves, they should be sent back to their own countries. EU rules that allow them to stay here are crazy. The EU will never let the UK renegotiate our membership terms, so the sooner UKIP get into government the better.
Why is it our responsibility. They came of their own free will. I am a bit fed up of all these sob stories.
I'm sure the Estomians wouldn't provide me with a free house if I went there with no job to go to so why should we be expected to house him? We should really stop people coming into the country unless they can prove they have a job to go to.
Hard to put a comment to this article, on the one hand people should have no need to rough sleep in a first world country but on the other why come here if this is how you are going to live, our own people must get first choice of houses and jobs then and only then should others be offered them and if you do not have a home ready or a job to go into then please do not come.
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare? - Penny, Worcester, 12/06/2013 13:27 Well they clearly didn't have the air fare to get home so they should return the way they got here, on the underside or in the back of a lorry
Tony Blair and co should let them all live in his mansions with them, fancy letting these poor people live in them conditions , after they were the ones that invited them here..And the next batch that will be flooding our shores next year, perhaps the the coalition Government and the house of our lords should take them in their homes..I expect they have plenty of spare rooms in their homes they could let..
Well, they're not UK citizens - so give them the cost of a flight home and wave bye bye. It's that simple.
"England is pathetic" ? Like there are no homeless in the US, of for that matter, in any other country! If Immigrants sleep like this - not the responsibility of the host country!
This shoot looks posed to me ....
When I worked in Waltham Forest people including kids are living in council owned garages...
Warning: Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class The same middle class that get into debt by the bucket load.
Blame the banks, this IS down to them . The recession is man made, they are making trillions from it and this debt can NEVER be paid back only wiped out by the rich and powerful when they finally decide they have had enough. Any Government that tells you we have to cut back because they have to pay back the debt is LYING to you, they know the debt can NEVER EVER EVER be paid back. The moment we stop taking loans and mortgages collectively as a nation from banks, is the moment they will lower everything. They are playing monopoly with our lives, we are all at risk and they are currently WINNING.
DM broadcast these pictures to the countries where these migrants come from, maybe they will see we have had enough of the freeloaders sponging off us time to send them all packing
Mostly I am proud to be British, sometimes though after reading a story like this I am ashamed to be British. Its about time forgein aid was cut, and we helped our own people, no human should have to live like this regardless of their gender, age, religion, colour of skin, or country of origin.
nice to see they are making an effort ,with decorating the walls in green etc, see ! not so bad is it ?
Work or want, It's what life is about.
England is pathetic
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ?
Are the caves in Estonia of a similar quality?
Just because they're homeless doesn't mean they have to live in filth, why don't they collect the rubbish up and dispose of it to make the surroundings better ?
Why is it up to the British taxpayer to provide a home for someone from Estonia? Sorry but he's come here with no job to come to so why should we pay for a home?
Instead of giving money to third world countrys lets start and look after our own first and get rid of food kitchens help the people that need help, spend money on the destitute in the uk first the rest the later.
"Homeless people are forced to live in the caves near Stockport"......NO THEY'RE NOT! They shouldn't be here if they have no job, or no money. Why have they come? I know, because they thought the UK was a soft touch and they would be housed and fed for free. GO HOME, I SAY, WE'VE FINISHED WITH CHARITY FOR ALL COMERS.
Go back to your own country and try to make it a better place,like we did untill half the world caught on.
Get a job then
so the hate dictator choudry geezas wife can live in a million pound home funded by council and meanwhile people are living in caves?
The Result of MASS IMMIGRATION by BLAIR and BROWN.
Can we send Iain Duncan Smith to live here?
Oh no these people are already littering our street (migrants) now they're messing up our caves as well. Why come here in the first place when we can't cope, afford or want them. .
I'm going to move to North Korea then moan about how they don't look after me.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Then maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then!
Go home, don't expect to freeload here, we got too much of that already.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then
They don't have to stay here. They are always free to go home as I don't want to house anybody who was not born here as charity begins at home and that is not home to every free loading foreigner that comes here.
This makes my blood boil. Why are our people left to live like this whilst we give homes to immigrants, it is absolutely disgusting.
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them. - hmmm , Reading, United Kingdom.................A plane ticket? How about a quick ferry ride and a bicycle?
To think the billions and billions of pounds the state has, that after two world wars where people fought and died for a better world, that we have people living on the streets in this ridiculously cold weather. But no the EU needs those billions to spend on wine and the geniuses running the councils need to waste 150,000 on measuring grass! No one should be having to resort to living like this in 2013. Does it really cost so much to help someone in need at least have somewhere warm to sleep?
This is just the beginning. Wonder if the Bilderbergers were discussing how to get all of the "unwashed", as they call us, into caves. Meanwhile, they spend a few thousand pounds on a bottle of champaign.
They should make this public across Eastern Europe so that it might deter more of them from coming here?
Don't come to Britain if you have no job, no money or no means of supporting yourself. I would not expect to move to another country in Europe and expect them to give me everything for free. Nor would another country be stupid enough to do it, only in Britain.............
This looks like America, commencing 20yrs ago when their government made benefits temporary. i.e. only 6months to 3yrs unemployment benefit in you entire life. It is coming to us, buy why are we paying 3x the TAX of Americans? Look at their fuel TAX, income TAX and VAT etc.
This is the nastiest government since God knows when.
does not look like housekeeping is high on the agenda for these people
Simple solution if your not british go back home to your own country surely if you have to live in a cave here you would be better off back home and i thought you did not get benefits if you had no address so if thats the case he must spend his time begging OR what.
probably still have to pay council tax aswell
We also are required by EU law to support these children who come across the borders, who have no families here. What back up is there for them. We do not look after our own, when they run into problems. What chance do these have I believe we have about 1200 coming from various places every year, that is a lot of children.
Go back to your own country then, idiots!
IF HE'S LLOKING FOR US TO BE IN SHOCK HORROR MODE IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN - THERE ARE TOO MANYOF HIM AND HIS ILK COMING HERE TAKING HOMES FROM BRITISH PEOPLE AND OUR SYMPATHY IS DRAINED - US FIRST!
Shortage of homes????? Wait till the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here to live later this year......As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet".....Be afraid....Be very afraid.
Ah yes the Tories are in power, it'll get worse until we get rid of them. Next homeless crisis will affect the elderly, just you watch!
He doesn't have to live like this,he can always go home.
were safe until DM exposed them
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them.
Living as nature intended in a cave eating scraps left by larger stronger predators.
It could be worse, could be scouse.
Not much of a home is it? I don't know much about the difficulties, but it's actually quite shocking that people have no alternative but to sleep rough. I'd rather like to donate I think, though contact details would make it easier..
Nothing to do with the millions of legal and illegal immigrants that are occupying the properties that these cave-dwellers could be in then?? It's time that the spongers who have not contributed a penny in taxes and are enjoying our benefits system, flooding our hospitals and council accommodation and creating frightening unemployment figures were sent to Germany where Frau Merkel could have the pleasure of their company. She could show us how it should be done and prepare for even more when GB votes in the referendum and Britain becomes British again and the Euro Judges are unable to dictate how the criminals from other countries are to be dealt with.
yet we can send billions of £'s abroad in aid and spend more billions £'s on war's we should not be fighting in countries that have nothing to do with the UK....please explain why???
Unfortunately all big cities have a homeless problem..whether the person who is homeless chooses that or not. It isn't getting any better.
Fakery by the Left? Surely not.....
I'm ashamed to say I live in Stockport and had no idea these caves or homeless people existed!
This is where Tony Blair should be living!
Romaians should go back and live in their own caves! British caves for British people!
Being poor does not excuse leaving garbage strewn everywhere. I can sympathize with where they live, but not how.
Their not homeless, their in tune with nature!! Living the way nature intended us to live!
This is Tory Britain.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad. - Gloria , Switzerland, 12/6/2013 18:30 Luxury, the lot of ya. We used to live in a beautiful £500,000 home, BUT........it was right next door to Abu Hamza!! Now THAT'S what I call bad.
There is a distinct difference between 'forced' an ' no alternative'. 'FORCED' the new 'Hilarious!' from the DM.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky... - Susan , Manchester, 12/6/2013 18:44---During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not.
This hasn't happened by accident you know.
"Homeless men and women forced to live in caves" - don't tell me DM, there are tens of thousands of them, right? Er no, only two or three! Very very typical DM.
The British live in caves while Islamist fighters live in luxury - paid for by the State. What a wonderful world!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
I only sympathise with those born and raised here who have worked and paid into this country then find themselves without work, income or any help. Those from other countries can go back to their home country.
Cameron get your Priorities right!!!!!!!!!!!! 55million per day EU plus 11 billion paid to Foreign Dictators!!!!!!!!!! Cameron our Priorities at home first. No wonder I like many others Ex-Toriy Voters will ensure UKIP is Voted in at the next election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
One of my friends who came to the UK from serbia said she was so shocked at how many homeless people there were on the streets! If you go through London, and other big cities there's so many young people sleeping rough, I've seen girls and boys of 16, the UK is a developed modern country and it breaks my heart to see people in this state. I was living with extended family when I was a teen and after a big row when I was 16 I was kicked out, and my school said to me, we are really sorry but social services will not help you as your now 16 so your main option is a hostel! Thankfully I had other family but many teenagers or people in general do not! I think more needs to be done to combat this issue because it has no place in today's society, especially when there's 45 million pound houses on sale and there is people sleeping rough around the corner!
Perhaps these photos could be published in Estonia to dispel the myth that Britain is the land of milk and honey...
@Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please g
Yet an immigrant can walk in and get a house and benefits at the drop of a hat! Shocking!
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky...
It makes me sick that this is happening in my country. Thanks for nothing Tory fatcats!
Have the Estonian consul been informed?
These persons are not "homeless", they are people with serious psychiatric problems. There is a big difference between losing your home to a fire and this. This is what happens when they shut down mental institutions. Are these people really living a better life like this? Free will? What free will do you have when you're suffering from delusions? Where are they getting their food, since there is lots of packaging lying around. Eventually, one of their fires will get out of control and burn down the park and endanger first responders.
I thought the UK's socialist institution keeps this from happening? You all ARE taxed to hell and back. Or does it go, as in the US, to foreigners instead of your own citizens as their bleeding hearts want it?
We need to shut our borders...this is a dreadful thing to see, but due to slack immigration control this is happening across all cities and towns. I drove through Kilburn today which is full of Romanian immigrant's and no doubt illegals also...I really don't recognise London as I once did, and this goes for all our cities.
It looks quite cosy in there
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad.
I hope this picture and article are headline news across eastern europe.Maybe when they see how things really are they won't come.
Marvellous, isn't it, that we are still giving aid to countries who are trying to develop nuclear weapons? On a more trivial note, although part of the Greater Mancester Metroplitan County, Stockport and Manchester are still, intrinsically, totally separate entities and their names should not be interchanged as they are in this article.
Come on....middle classes do not end up living in caves!
No suprise - most people from Stockport are cavemen anyway.
These poor BRITISH people are launched onto the streets whilst immigrants come over and get benefits and a house. The UK is the backside of the world... FACT
As an Estonian I feel obligated to write that it's deeply disturbing and actually embarrassing. Estonians do not have a bad life here and that is not okay. I hate that people like that are getting media coverage, giving us a bad name for no reason (because this is obviously an article meant to stir up hate). There aren't hordes of Estonians living off benefits in the UK (I'd hope they're not homeless either). But I guess a certain percentage of people are just homeless, no matter what the nationality. I feel sorry for the man and wish there was something I could do, but please do not hate the whole nation because of one person. My idea is - if you can't support yourself and benefit the country you move to - do not go, you are not welcome there. I feel bad for the Brits, because I can only imagine how it makes you feel. I hope things work out for your country.
Sorry my sympathy went as soon as I saw they were not UK citizens.
Living in a cave is a choice.
Homelessness increases across Britain and the DM highlight one Immigrant...is there a hidden Agenda behind this ??
I AM AN ATHEIST, BUT IF THERE IS A GOD I SUSPECT HE IS SOMETHING LIKE CAMERON,,,,CAMERON HAS POWER TO DO GOOD, BUT AS HE IS OK IN HIS LITTLE HEAVEN, EVRYBODY ELSE CAN LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES, THEY CAN SINK OR SWIM,,,,ANOTHER THING CAMERON HAS IN COMMON WITH GOD IS I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CAMERON EITHER, AND MILLIBAND IS JUST AS USELESS....IF YOU WANT ANY CHANCE OF WINNING THE NEXT ELECTION LABOUR, DITCH THAT USELESS BOY, AND GET AN ADULT WHO CAN STAND UP TO THE TORY REGIME
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maybe the reason they are homeless is the same as why they dont clean the place up, lazy idiots.
GO HOME TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND STOP TRYING TO CON US FOR BENIFITS! YOUR NOT A HARD LUCK STORY! NO ONE ASKED YOU TO COME HERE! SO GO HOME NOW!!!!
I used to work in govt housing, the state govt closed all the long-term mental health facilities in the 90's thinking that they would be better off in supervised communities. They failed to build the supervised community housing and put them in the general population. There are now certian 'clients' who we gave housing to, other charities supplied them with furniture, white goods and food and they never walked through the front door or they burned them down. Some people, by way of mental illness or fear of people or society, they prefer to live in caves. And they actually are more stable outside of the general community. They fish, find their own water and only approach charities for clothing or staple foods. Even then they just take. They build their own communities and support networks. They exist off the grid and they seem happy that way. Why should we force them in to living within walls if it makes them miserable? Give the housing to someone who actually wants it.
No nice caves in Estonia?
They do have a home to go to... their home country.
Firstly, there are homeless departments within every local council and people who are entitled will be accommodated temporarily at least. Secondly, why do Eastern Europeans come here, I am not blaming them, not at all, I am asking why do they come? They come because the message they have heard is the UK is better than their homeland, this existence surely cannot be better so the UK government needs to change the message that immigrants hear before they come. Thirdly, why are the Police not intervening if these people are being threatened or subjected to arson, and intervene regardless of nationality I might add. Fourthly, it is a sad sad indictment of the world we live in where billionaires daughters weddings take the headline in a paper over people living in the UK in third world conditions. This government has seen fit to CON-DEM many of its own people and immigrants from others nations to a lifetime of poverty, ill health, homelessness and fear, whilst ensuring it retains vast expen
Not just caves. I worked for a rough sleepers charity and every night in our parks these poor guys are putting up tents for the night and taking them down before we see them in the morning. Don't think the problem is far from your own door. These are bright resourceful people (15% of homeless people are graduates) but single homeless men are a massively neglected group by people and state.
What did Cameron say? We are all in it together. Yea right, more rubbish.
SECOND BEST RATED COMMENT: "Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29" UNBELIEVABLE - did any of you who rated this actually read the piece? The homeless man living in the cave is an immigrant (or do you not know where Estonia is?). It's the consequence of the new policies. As a county apparently we would rather have people living like rats and starving than showing any charity based on need. Personally I think we should be better than that.
The is lots of safety nets put the easily messed up.
Call me Dave thinks its better to send one point two billion pounds to "poor countries " God bless him
Be worse when the Romanians get here, nicking all our tramps caves.
Proof that the big society is not working. Great Britain is not so great !!!
Oh how I love the support here for these homeless people now that the words Middle Class are used. Normally, DM readers couldn't give a hoot about this problem that faces many vulnerable people in our society but now, they demand the government does something about it.
I am sure the government would not mind putting them on a plan and sending home. I feel for the homeless, I do, I will give money any day, but when they choose to live in another country and have nothing, then leave-just ask for a plane ticket.
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accommodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Estonian... Go home and find a house... Or live in a cave and quit moaning!!!
And then we read about Tamara and her 12 million pound wedding..... Just says it all really,
I thought that if someone came here from Eastern Europe and could not find work after three months, they were expected to go back to their own country.
But hey, there is an unlimited amount of money available for immigrants.
I've volunteered with the homeless in the past. One thing to keep in mind is that most suffer from mental & addiction illnesses. You can set them up in government subsidized housing, group homes, shelters, treatment programs, help to get their benefits straight & most still usually wind back up on the streets. Some can't live around other people. Some don't want to beat their addiction & none of them have advocates. It's a problem I don't know how to solve.
Couldn't they at least keep their cave neat?
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter? - USA LLC SN482745A-3, Boring, United States, 12/06/2013 16:17 This are not UK citizens and has nothing to do with ELITE !! And I think so that the United States have nothing to say about this because I think that a lot of homeless freeze to death in winter and live in the sewers underground !!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language". - BrianD, York, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 17:22---------------------------------------------- Anyone can apply for shelter and food through our system. If this this Estonian is incapable due to lack of English or mentally ill - then he should be returned to his homeland. We aren't responsible for Eastern Europe's unwanted. I'm sure if a homeless Brit went over to Europe there wouldn't be a welcome party waiting
just remember everybody. we're all in this together........
What kind of children go round setting fire to sleeping bags with people in them??!!! If that's the kind of children our nation is raising, we should all be very scared!
Evidently their free time is not spent clearing up their make shift homes! Living in squalor is nothing to do with poverty and evrything to do with lazyness.
But this is only right, how can we send BILLIONS to other countries if we don't make our own people who have paid Taxes to the government go without !!!! Okay enough of the lies, now how about this for an idea, instead of giving Millions of houses away to Immigrants we give them to the British people first, How about instead of giving BILLIONS of Taxpayers money to the EU we keep it in our own country and spend it on the people who have paid it in the first place? There is only one way to get our country back and that is vote UKIP because they are the only party that puts the people of this country FIRST not last.
Why can he not clear up rubbish? No need to live in the filth.
Now there's an advertiment & welcome to all those Eastern Europeans who want to come to Britain. "COME TO BRITAIN AND WE WILL GIVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY A CAVE TO LIVE IN"!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language".
get back to your estonian cave..english caves for the english
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter?
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accomodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Just you wait until mega thousands of Bulgarians/Romanians and god knows where else they're from pour into the UK next year. Meanwhile LibLabCon are demanding a 30% + payrise, more generous allowances and ring fencing £billions for overseas 'aid'. We ain't seen nothing yet....
Reduce immigration to zero, start deporting people not entitled to be here. take over empty properties by compulsory purchase.problem solved.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard? - Jenny , Manchester, 12/6/2013 17:02 Love that comment haha.
Elsewhere on this page a story regarding a luxury 1000 foot cruise liner about to be launched where cabins cost anything between £1500 and £2600 for a 12 day voyage. There is something sadly wrong with today's society and the direction in which it is heading.....
How can anyone be homeless in Britain? Can't people live in a hostel?
Its ok , they can rotten there ... We need to send more troops to Afghanistan , the more the WAR, the better for the government . No gain in helping the homeless , But alot of gain in WAR .... I hate the government
Disgusting giving millions of our money away to forgeign countries to aid their famines yet we can't look after people in our own country. The government should be ashamed. Too posh to notice what's really going on in their country in their big mansions - doesn't affect them does it.
All part of Mr Blair's vision of a multi-cultural society !
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard?
Billions for overseas aid, billions for the EU, billions to bail out the banks, billions for wind farms, billions to subsidise all of the privatised industries and utilities -- and what is there for poor and vulnerable? Cuts and contempt.
We have many of these locations in the US where the homeless have had to make do with living in tents, cardboard shelters and under bridges. I dare say there are such locations in most of our cities. We call them Obamavilles. We just can't seem to lower our unemployment rates, people are still losing their homes, many live off their credit cards. Our politicians refuse to take the steps to improve our economy. Very sad.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 I just loved these comments, just couldn't stop laughing!
It is a shame that this is occurring, however, might one take a look at the immigration policies of the past and the inability of the enormous bureaucracy to rein in the flow of illegals that pour into England every year. Yes the government Ministers could do more to change sloppy laws however the bureaucracy don't want that as it would weaken their strength in jobs. It is time the populace woke up and realised that there is soon going to be no middle class to pay taxes. Only a rich bureaucracy still doing nothing but protecting their jobs, and these poor people who will have to rely on government handouts. Does that remind you of anything?? Try USSR, North Korea, China. And of course look at Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal. Yes folks it is time to reduce the bureaucracy and start rebuilding The GREAT in Great Britain.
Too many people and not enough homes. There weren't enough houses before the influx of the past few years. Early 2014 we are to expect another load, how many is anyone's guess. In my area, new schools are going up all over the place and existing ones are being expanded. I believe any financial benefit this recent wave of immigration has brought, is far outweighed by the cost of the infrastructure that has to be put in place for the newcomers. We are now experiencing shanty towns, people camped in woods and caves, not to mention encampments in prime parts of our capital, which were temporarily cleared for the Olympics but are back again. We are a small island we don't have an infinite amount of space, this problem is all about numbers pure and simple and our first priority should be to our own citizens and I cannot understand why people are allowed to stay here without a home or a job.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ===================================================================================== A large number of them ARE immigrants! Why are they still being allowed to pour into this country when there are very few jobs and thousands are ending up living on the streets? We need to get out of the EU now before our country collapses under the burden.
If we didnt have 4 million immigrants we'd have 4 million more jobs, and there would be no need for them to be homeless. Glad i could help
There must be hundreds of untennanted houses in the locality , they will probably need a little work but why not offer these houses to the needy rather than letting them rot and have their windows smashed . Once these people are settled they can start working to pay back towards the cost of the repairs and move forward in their lives. It is no good saying they should not be here , the fact is they are and letting people live in caves no matter what their nationally is hardly a sign of a caring first world country. Leave the politics aside for once and offer a branch of hope. I am sure most people in their position just want to get them selves fixed up and start working and living a productive life.
Simple remedy, put him on a plane back to Estonia. Vagrancy is still an offence in this country.
Even though it a cave they could still keep it clean
Well the Ecclestone divorce will be pricey too
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!
Manchester City claim an EVEN greater fanbase ! (wink)
Ahh, so this presumably what Ian Duncan Smith meant when he said in Parliament recently that it was possible to live on £53 per week, he was referring to living in a cave or tent...silly me...I thought he was joking.....
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia.
The government should provide basic caravans for the homeless. The advantage being tat they are cheap and that they can be moved if the person gets a job elsewhere.
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses - Edoardo, Milan, 12/6/2013 16:03-------------Apart from the fact England didn't actually exist back then, you'll find that ancient Britons actually lived in huts. We then went on to build the largest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen and are responsible for much of the technology the world enjoys today, including railways and the jet engines. The descendants of the Romans became the worlds biggest cowards.
Put ALL MP's on minimum wage...........watch how fast thing change then.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals. - DisgustedHighgate , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 16:08 - I have a wheelie bin.. these people don't...
Estonian....
I wait to learn that women and children have followed them into the caves.
AND WE STILL HAVE NEXT YEAR TO LOOK FORWARD TO !!!
Time he returns to his own land.
- Adey , Batley, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:51---------------- No Adey, population growth doesn't need controlling - IMMIGRATION growth needs to be stopped......full stop.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.
Well done Labour - now let us allow more in and build homes on green belt to accommodate them. When those homes are full, lets build even more on the green belt and boost the economy.... This cycle can continue indefinitely, of course. Meanwhile, fill the caves up!!!
You should look up (houses that have been repossessed) In n.ireland it is about 40 pages with 6 houses per page . The British mainland is scary. How many people really care about the homeless ? Not a lot . Salvation army are fantastic for meals etc but there are not a lot of beds available.Saw Phil Spencer (location location) on tv one night. He works with the homeless and asked all of us to check if there was a vacant room eg above a shop. He found dozens , Some were renovated (not palatial) but dry with a bed etc .Many people were so grateful. In this recession many are living on the breadline , some in poverty. Many British born and bred. Alc ohol and drugs are sometimes what people turn to because of hopelessness. I t was reported than because of cancer treatment one lady lost her home + her job . she was sleeping on the settee in different friend,s homes.It is so sad . over here have found some vacant rooms above shops but some shop owners are scared. Others have been great .
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
This is thanks to Gordon Brown who created the benefit culture and squandered all of the country's resources. Having said that this coalition government can't really say they've done anything to tackle the problem except make it almost impossible for these people to get back on their feet..... That's Britain for you folks.....
While the Ecclestones indulge their shameless taste in a vulgar excessive wedding the poor live in misery..... have the rich no conscience? Just think what twelve million would have done to help the poor, a shameless society created by corporations and bankers dividing decent people into haves and have nots...lets hope the wroth of God will descend soon and rid the world of this greedy self centred ethos that worships the idols of material success!
You should look at Lincoln and many other cities , these people need help , there is always an underlying problem that makes them end up like this , In Lincoln we have a fair few RAF Bases were there are hundreds of rooms from the squadies not used why cant the goverment use them to help the situation , Also how can Tamara Eccleston spend 12 million on a wedding thats disgusting just imagine what good 12million pounds would do
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.- george72 , poole, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:59--------- Id rather live in the cave thanx!
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick. - Liz, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:27 I call that realistic, not racist. Too many people are all too willing to throw out the race card nowadays.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
Ever since the sixies and probably before,there always has been a problem with housing in this country! You just cannot move to another country & expect to be housed..there just isn't enough to go round for our own people. Most people have had to work hard for years,before they can buy a house... i do not see why we should be expected to house everyone,who just comes here,mostly for handouts!!! Lets put our elderly & sick first and look after them...What country could you just move to,,have money & be housed?...NONE!.
Thanks to those who voted Labour, this is the legacy we've been left with and are still trying to correct all these years after their unsustainable boom. All those home 'owners' who made a packet obviously have no objections.
comment from iain duncan smith, PLEASE !!
- James Mitchell, Ringwood, 12/6/2013 15:21 You are spot on with your comments. It is a very insecure world we live in today. Even high earners are not immune though as their lives can change in a matter of 6 months if they lose their lucrative jobs and f
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground.
What is the point of building more homes for these people when there are no jobs. Just another strain on the ordinary workers. Anyone who thinks strongly about it should dip their hand in their pocket and get a house built for them! The upper crust certainly bother about the ones at the bottom!
With the surge of new homes going up like 2,500 in Barwell, Leicestershire and 4,200 by the M1/M69 Junction then surely there is no reason for homelessness?, or are our masters in the EU telling us who should have them?. Charity begins at home.
This is what is left of the British Empire..
Let the EU sort it out, its no fault of the British that they are here.
As regards the Estonian man well no one asked him to come here and he is not our problem.The Estonian authorities would not house a British person so why should we house them.Who we should be looking after are the many homeless ex-servicemen living on the streets who seem to get no help at all while at the same time we house immigrants.
And someone just blew £12 million on a wedding? Somehow I think we have lost our sense of priorities.
there is is going to be a massive outbreak of TB and other epidemics,this is why the health bills in the 1960s were brought in,sanitation,medication,mass chest x rays,accommodation for famlies with little money,ie council houses.illness knows no boundaries.Cameron needs to be aware of these people or illness and social problems will cost us dear.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals.
Incentive to work harder/try harder to find work. Should be more of it Dave
Jesus Christ
I grew up close to these caves and over the years with different governments and fluctuating world economy, they have been "occupied" by a variety of tenants. What amazed me was how a supposed Estonian would even be able to find the caves as they are hidden from sight down a cliff. People will always fall through the net regardless of how well you cast it
PLEASE READ THE MSG FROM "THE ENGLISH PATIENT" - -and ask yourselves why he gets no help - -and anjem choudray - -is shown as getting £25k a year - for contributing NOTHING.
Thanks to everyone who voted Tory. You know who you are... you're the ones red arrowing this comment!
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses
sorry Meant to say homeless was not endemic under Maggie, stop blaming her for everything or did the last labour government never happen !!!!!
Where ever a person lives they can still put the rubbish in a bin. They don't have to sit amongst it.
It's disgraceful that as a society we allow people to fall so far from grace that they become homeless.
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.
capitalism will only bring us communism and fascism, we need a socially democratic democracy, clean out the corruption, with governments of the people for the people.
"Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently. - ACR , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 No they are not! What is needed is to stop an annual total of immigrants arriving equal to a very large town (250,000pa) and send those back that don't deserve to be here. This would then free plenty of houses as well as doctors and nurses etc.No need to turn England into a concrete jungle!
This situation will be even worse by this time next year. They will be fighting each other to live in caves, regardless of whether they are immigrants or UK born homeless. We are well on our way to becoming a third world country - like the ones the Government keeps paying our money to. Charity begins at home ALL of you politicians. WE NEED THE MONEY SPENT HERE.
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
And the latest unemployment figures say that unemployment is coming down. Pray tell what happened to the two million disability claimants deemed fit to work. Have they disappeared into thin air? Next to nothing that comes from any government of any colour in this country is worth the paper it is written on - all smoke and mirrors. On the TV this morning no one asked what happened to those two million former disability claimants. If you are sane, it's like being in a nuthouse.
Too many people with too few opportunities population control is required now.
This is not proof of the inequalities of the benefits system, nor is it evidence of some skilled highly educated worker who has suffered set backs. This is an Estonian gent who though entitled to be here as a European is here because he can be. Is it really that much better than his own country well yes! the benefits he gets here far outweigh those he would get in his home country. Homelessness was endemic under Maggie and neither did Labour re house them all there are many ex soldiers living in similar circumstances throughout the recent labour government. Well said Berkshires finest & hendonman
We have homeless, 95 % are substance abuse users and mentally ill. The substance abuse users refuse to stay in charitable accommodations (there are many) and the mentally ill refuse to take medications or seek psychiatric care, under the law you can't make them. There is no facility for them, and families have pretty much given up, you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.
Expect more homelessness next year when more EU citizens come here with no job and no place to live. Where are the authorites going to put all these people, many families with children. Let them camp out in Dowing Street because our PM made no attempt to stop this open border madness.
This is why I never go to the north.
Some comments on here are disgusting. You don't know individuals circumstances or if there British or not (incidentally UK born or not they happen to be HUMAN BEINGS). I nearly found myself homeless after going on to statuary sick pay after being diagnosed with cancer. My landlord decided to sell the property and I could find no where that would rent to me whilst being on SSP without a guarantor - to which I did not have. Fortunately for me the council gave me discretionary temp housing but only after my GP, a social worker, a support worker and a local charity wore them down. All this whilst lying in a hospital bed wondering which to worry about the most homelessness or cancer. It did bring me into contact with lots of other homeless people through the charity that helped me and I have to say its a world I really never knew existed - or how truly difficult it can be for people from all walks of life to gain housing. I felt like i'd been wandering through life blind.
I hope those greedy bankers are reading this. Look what you have done!
If the country doesn't have enough homes for the population how can all the incomers expect to be housed? It astounds me that the blinkered, heads in the sand (or elsewhere), politicians of all parties are quite content to see and allow it to happen. The same politicians who are quite content to see billions of pounds being gobbled up by the EU while presiding over food banks and unemployment on a massive scale. I still wait to be told which politicians are affected by the austerity measures and who among their number have cut back on their taxpayer funded expenses? Dreams, dreams!
Result of an uncaring and godless political society.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing....
Why are people allowed in to the country without jobs to go to? You should have a job and a certain amount already in the bank to be let in. Why am I asking? It's the EU's fault.
If they are homeless here then they should go HOME! And contrary to what the home-grown version would have you believe there are jobs out there if you get off your backside and look. The trouble is that the vast majority would rather claim benefits and they are supported by a huge infrastructure of carers and counsellors who have a vested interest in keeping Britain well and truly broken.
Why are you all feeling sorry for the homeless all of a sudden.. Just yesterday you were all against a women on benefits, you were all moaning how she shouldn't be on benefits.. What do you want to do just kill her off. And now we have a story about homeless and you feel sorry for them, but no doubt if they were on benefits you would be telling them to get a job. You people make no sense, are you all that inept and stupid to think someone on benefits lives a happy life? do you think they have a house in spain etc. Get real and OPEN your eyes.
This is disgusting in this day and age wake up Briton.If government built hotels to house homeless people in rooms like the late rooms hotels there would. E a decrease in homelessness. The rooms have a bed, toilet shower cubicle and sink. The benefit would cover cost of housing and could also provide food. Until housed elsewhere. It's more cost effective I'm long run. Hotels like these could house 100 s and the be edit would cover cost.
Go back home, fool...!
The Estonian man should go home, nobody asked him to come here.
Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please give them some credit and start rewarding the positives!!! I cant feel sorry for these people its about choices!!
I have no objection to anyone coming to the UK PROVIDED THEY HAVE A JOB TO GO TO. We can't just swan off to Australia to live - the government doesn't allow it. As to living in caves, well the people of Stockport and Manchester were quite happy to spend large periods of their lives in them during the war as they were used and enlarged to make public air raid shelters, and throughout the history of Stockport the locals have been digging the back wall of their houses out and into the natural cliffs to make extra rooms and storage.
Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently.
show this on the front pages big and loud, show the world what we have come to in the UK. Well done, tories, looking after your foreign companies,allowing them to avoid millions, giving 5% tax rebates to their executives and people at their most vulnerable are reduced to living in caves. Tell you what, there is a big council house at the end of the Mall with several empty rooms, I have an idea..................
if you just glanced at those pictures you would not have thought that it was in the U.K. A real shame
That is a sad sight but is it possible the clue is in ' the increasing number of East European migrants'? If theres more competition for low cost housing then yes, people people who lose their livelihoods and need it, have more chance of ending on the streets. But the charity bloke doesn't point out that immigration is putting more pressure on the housing stock as more and more people pile into the country, because that would not be on message and what he's after is more money by shaming the government. But are we really supposed to have houses ready for everyone who comes to the UK?
so long as we can increase our foreign aid, all is well
and we still give billions away to countries who have million/billion dollar nanotech labs, weapons reasearh facilities and space programs....
They are better off there than in a Salford terraced house squat.
In the past week the DM has shown us Romanians living in rubbish on our city streets now this. We are swamped with immigrants coming here with no homes or jobs to go to. Its no good for them or us. When is the government going to stop this mass immigration, stand up to the EU and tell them Britain is overflowing. Do they intend to wait until every street , shop doorway and underpass has its own immigrant community living on it in sleepingbags and boxes. We cant go much further.
First lower benefits for the unemployed , introduce a bedroom tax causing debt leading to homelessness ,then and this is the crafty bit,.. encourage the mindless to blame immigrants.
it's because we're to busy banging the rest of the world too rights
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own. - john back , london, 12/6/2013 14:22 -------------------------- This government doesn't give aid to anyone anywhere for nothing and neither did the previous government. It is allocated because for the advantages they will get from it. For example, as a means of securing mineral rights in Africa before China gets its hands on a greater share of them.
Homelessness should not be happening in this day and age, and it's a national disgrace that it is. It shows it can happen to anyone, except or course, to talentless, vacuous celebrities who get paid millions for doing diddly squat, yet moan about the pressures of fame, and big, billion pound corporations who get away with paying very little or not tax. But according to Cameron 'we're all in this together.'
The Parish Workhouse was a good idea. You had to say who you were, you got warm, you got fed, you even got free medicine. And you got plenty of work to do. Vagrants were arrested, and imprisoned or sent to the workhouse, depending on their circumstances. Who says Britain has improved?
there are many reasons people find themselves on the street, however a vast number of these are drug and alcohol related, often leading to mental health issues, there are plenty of homeless hostels, but many living there find obeying the rules a problem and would rather live on the street so they can continue to abuse.
mart25 - true - problem is that it started with our own govt not caring anything about us or our taxes - -just giving it away to any country and anyone who walked in here - even those who want to blow us up - THATS WHY NOBODY CARES.
Even if your not homeless, most new employment is either part time, zero hours contracts or freelance without holiday and sick pay. For those who haven't lost their jobs or homes, their pay is stagnant or, with inflation, falling. Taxes have gone up, rents have gone up, food prices have gone up and energy bills have risen. Poverty has increased to a point where thousands are having to use food banks. Meanwhile, the ones who control our newspapers and political parties, i.e the rich elite bankers, owners of corporations, financiers, investment managers, wealthy land owners are getting tax cuts and getting richer and richer.
We are moving forward into the past...keep voting for them people, its keeps THEM off the bread line.
Why dosent the estonian go back to estonia
Sorry but if they are immigrants not interested, no-one forced them to come here, go home!
Homelessness was endemic under Maggie Thatcher!! Then Labour re-housed them all, and now the Tories are repeating it all over again!! The nasty party plan is right on schedule!! The rich get a tax cut ... the poor become homeless ... and huge corporations get their taxes written off!!!
What a cheek, they not only take our houses they are even taking our caves!!! Send this useless prat back to his own country. If you cannot speak English, find work and then accommodation and feed yourself, then you have no place in this country - full stop.
Most of the social housing was flogged of in the 1980s for a few short term gains. Now we have a long term problem and no-one wants to tackle it.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good, KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28....................A good suggestion, and why not have some skilled trades people, even retired ones who want to do something useful with their time, to show some of the unemployed how to do some of the work and pass on some skills. Despite some of the past comments on here about the unemployed being feckless wasters, there are many of them who would jump at the chance of some hands on tuition to put them on the first step to a skilled trade. How do I know this? Because some of us don't sit on here moaning about the unemployment situation, we get off our backsides and try to do something about it, as the government are next to useless when it comes to retraining our own people.
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller". - ENGLISH1ST , EXETER, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:47................. Spelt or spelled is like I have just typed, and not 'spent'. Thanks because I did enjoy the irony.
What the hell is the situation going to be like when Half of Rumania and Bulgaria arrive here MR Cameron stop playing at politics get on and DO SOMETHING NOW BEFORE THE PROBLEMS HERE ARE SUCH THAT IT IS UNSOLVABLE STOP IMMIGRATION NOW
go back to estonia if you dont like it, im sure the benefit system there will have a mansion waiting for you
To a certain degree I agree with Crumbdinger , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:45, some people no matter what, will choose to live this way. However, if we stopped paying the professional benefit scroungers vast sums of money to sit on their backsides watching their huge 3D HD TV's then maybe there would be funds available to help those in desperate need. What else would help are tougher laws for all the illegal immigrants that are languishing in the lap of luxury either in centres or homes paid for by taxpayers. Once found illegals should be deported immediately, much cheaper, and less burden on our overloaded benefit system. Maybe this Tory government will bring in some much needed reforms, or then again maybe they will just bury their heads in the sand and hope the problems all go away.
Or, go back to the country you came from.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good , KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sorry, no more room at the Inn!!!
With an increasing unemployment rate, benefit and welfare cuts, this will be the reality of many people. When the people have nothing to lose, the only outcome will be violence.
What is 'squalid' about an 'existence in the wilderness'? We all loved like it once upon a time, and it certainly didn't do us any harm!
This is proof of how the benefits system is heartless towards childless people but pampers those with kids. Look at the benefitter woman who gets £2,600 per month and there was the other one who has a horse in stables, buys flying lessons at £155 per hour and has loads of designer clothes. Childless people do not have any right to a roof over their head, the so-called "Human Rights" laws are bogus because they don't give rights to all people as human beings, they just give rights to the favoured groups and the childless person is discriminated against - and it is legal!.
The 'success' that is the EU!!!!!!!
what do you expect when the unemployed can have their JSA suspended for weeks or months at a time on the whim of a desk-jockey?
Even if these sad people have to resort to living in a cave, there is no reason why they couldn't keep the area free of rubbish. There seems to be no shortage of plastic bags so why not keep valuables (?) or clothes in one or two of them and dispose of their rubbish in the rest. I doubt they would keep an apartment or house, if they were given one, clean.
William, Denton, United Kingdom, What do you do for a job that you are so confident that this will never happen to you! Your attitude is unbelievable ! There are people who are skilled for work but are being kept out of work - I have two top class degree from a time when these really were a marker of intelligence. I have worked for some of the most prestigious firms doing commercial work. I needed to stop the type of work I did which involved global travel and 70 hour weeks due to ill health. I want a less stressful council job but the local council within fifty miles ringfence all jobs for their own. They prefer to promote those with much weaker qualification and backgrounds rather than opening the vacancy to others. If I knew then what I know now I would have joined the public sector as a graduate - much easier life and overall the pay at least on a per hour basis is higher!
Can't stop immigration. Immigrants are the only source of income the Exchequer has left. How much is a slave registered with the World Bank worth nowadays?
DREADFUL ......problem is NOBODY really honestly cares anymore in this Country ....
Of course the relentless tide of immigration started by labour and largely continued by the present team has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Well city centre house prices have not increased. . These vulnerable people need shelter and there are plenty of empty flats in the centre.
People want to cut social security, yet hate seeing people homeless. Perhaps it's better if we increase social security spending, and tax the rich who squirrel their money overseas. Of course, you'd never get such a solution by voting Tory or UKIP. Just a thought...
During these critical times the Govt should seriously consider allowing a group of homeless men/women to get together and be given housing benefit to share one house. NOT ALL homeless are drunks or drug addicts - and incidently this needy group can go to sheltered accommodation and can get help if they seek it. The other half of homeless got there due to redundancies and unemployment and just need help to get their confidence and self respect back. I suggest that if these people have a track record of having worked up and until the critical point of being on the street, that they should be given this advantage. Unfortunately those who have never worked in the UK should not be included.
Whoever believes this is NUTS
How would he go on with a council house when he can't even keep his cave tidy
And still we let everyone in this country it makes me sick,
How did we manage to house so many immigrants including illegals when we already had so many of our own people homeless?
Please remember dear readers that this can now happen to you too. I became unemployed in January last year for the first time since leaving school in 1979. As a result, I could no longer maintain my mortgage repayments and was evicted in July of that year. My local council said that as a single man my only recourse was a hostel; a truly terrifying prospect for a 50 year old. I refused this and was told that I had therefore made myself intentionally homeless and that they had no legal obligation to house me. I spent 3 days sleeping rough in the grounds of a church just down the road from my repossessed home. I am slowly getting my life back together thanks to the kindness of my elderly neighbours putting a roof over my head. It does gall me to think those 33 years of working and paying taxes amount to nothing when you are in genuine need. I now know why there are an abundance of single mothers; the more babies you have, the more undeserved benefits you receive.
Simple solution send them all back home. They must have had a bed to sleep in over there. Anything is better than living of the streets......
William, Denton I cannot believe your comments that we should emulate America. The USA has 40 million receiving free food stamps, 10 million on disability out of a total population of 316 million. We also have over 2,250,000 people in prison who contribute nothing to society. You want to emulate this? This is a good role model. I don't think so!
Legacy of ' the streets are paved with gold'
So much money sent to other countries. Does not charity begin at home .
Nevertheless, it's a big step up from Estonia, where only the better off have caves and the remainder of the population sleep in the open, so more power to them for trying to better themselves by entering our wealthy country.
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.- Sandy Brown, London, 12/6/2013 11:35.......no, they will end up taxpayer funded housing benefit. EU law.
I have a friend who has disabilities but no children. She is too ill to work full time, but the government has decreed she is well and stopped any benefits. She is expected to live on just £70 a week without any kind of extras, such as housing benefit or reduced council tax. This is a woman who worked for over twenty years, faithfully paying her taxes, before she suffered from head injuries in a car crash. Only yesterday we had a single mother complaining that £2000 per month wasnt enough for her to live on. Perhaps if the state limited payouts to discourage breeding on benefits, there would be enough left in the state kitty to help those in genuine need through no fault of their own.
I like what he,s done with the place ,the green walls give it a very outdoorsy feeling ,air conditioning looks good and the just got out of bed after a party decor is really now ,,good effort and certainly will become a fashion icon over the next 20 years as more people belch at conventional,living ,,I can't,wait to see a bus stop when it's full potential is realised
My son is not permitted to bring his Mexican wife here until he earns above £18,000 a year, & they have had to live and work abroad, yet anyone from Europe can doss here on benefits with no job and no home. The situation is ridiculous.
Wonder where they have put their 42" plasma?
Disgusting in this day and age! What the hell is happening to this country we have got our priorities all wrong and don't mock these people because YOU COULD BE NEXT!
If Eastern Europeans are living in caves for a sympathy vote from the Uk they shouldn't get it. i suggest they go back from whence they came and stop wanting to live off the tax payers of the UK. The ONLY people we should be rehousing are UK citizens who through no fault of their own, have lost their home.
Another compelling reason to abolish Overseas Aid and use the money saved to eliminate problems such as this at home and at the same time restrict immigration fro the EU.
Whats wrong with caves?
watch the government don't hit you with moss tax my friend
P.S. to my earlier comment on the "caves". If I am correct It was possible to get from the "caves" to the air raid shelters that were dug out of the sandstone rock on the other side of the road. (Brinksway Road). i know this because my children used to play in them....Many is the time i have gone their with a torch to guide them back out. Now the council l have DOUBLE bricked the entrance to them 'cause of, yeah, you guessed it. The dreaded health and safety crap. Have fun.....
Those who refuse work? I have not even been offered any! Is it because I am 52 years of age? I am multi-skilled. All I can think of is it is down to ageism.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits. - William, Denton, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:13 What a foolish comment, from someone who has no idea how easy it is to end up homeless these days. How do you know whether these people have ever paid tax or not? There but for the grace of God, I hope you never find yourself in that position.
The man in the cave is described as Eastern European. This situation will only get worse as long as more and more immigrants continue to flock here. This is where the problem lies. The government is not doing anything to stop this appalling situation. Why should this country be obliged to house immigrants when there are already many British people who are homeless. If thousands of new affordable homes are built, where will they be built and who will live in them ? Not immigrants who come here expecting a place to live and benefits, I hope. We cannot go on and on building new houses, thus taking away our green spaces and countryside, every time the homeless rate rises, as it will never end as long as this immigration fiasco continues.
It may be acceptable for UK citizens,but Romanians will not accept this under any circumstances.
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?- Yvonne , West Midlands, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:33 - Answer - Because that would be too sensible for our Politicians!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller".
If anyone¿s confused on whose fault it is that these people live in a cave, I¿ll clear this up for you¿.It¿s their own??. Why is it the governments problem, tory or labour, that these people got themselves into this mess. Why is it the governments problem to get them out of it?? It¿s got nothing to do with the government failing these people, It¿s this attitude that the world owes you something, believe me the world owes you nothing, you are responsible for your own actions, If I lose my job, and for some crazy reason I can¿t get another, If I lose my house by some idiot decision I made, If I lose everything in my life and have to live in a cave¿all of this WOULD BE MY OWN FAULT. If people in Britain started taking more responsibility for themselves instead of blaming everyone else and living off hand outs we¿d not be in such a mess.
If these people were middle class, why did they not save for a rainy day?
Vote ukip at every opportunity for the sake of your family
oh well, as long we're still handing tax monies and housing to people who have contributed nothing and shouldn't be here then this is Ok.
Reading the comments on here actually make me feel a little bit sick. What happened to compassion for fellow human beings? For each of you that has made some sort of comment excusing the government for allowing this situation to happen or have have actually gleefully clapped your grubby little hands I sincerely hope and pray that you have some sort of epiphany and realise the poison that you are spreading! I'd love to say I hope the same happens to you... That say for example your partner dies, there are debts, you sink into depression loose your job and then house and then shiny possessions. I'd like to say that I hope that you are disowned by all you know and love as they find its easier to ignore peoples issues if you cant see them and that one day you are the one waking up in a shop doorway, or in a cave... I'd like to say that I wished that would happen to you, but I won't because I actually have a heart... I care... I won't just turn away from those in need. You disgust me.
Aren¿t the Tories great! Get this evil nasty Govt out now!
I feel sorry for many of those affected , living like that , but of course some of them only want help to buy booze or drugs. No doubt none of them are currently working, but what does it tell you when many of them can't be bothered to clear their own rubbish up.
Can everybody just stop voting Tory/Labout/Liberal. It's these political parties that together have caused the problem but everyone stil goes out & votes for them. Whats wrong with you all. Remember the 80's when everyone voted Thatcher in 3 times over - she sold off our social housing, created the culture of greed we have in the UK today, destroyed our industry, manufacuring & put millions out of work creating mass unemployment. Then along came Blair, who reversed none of her policies & allowed millions of immigrants to come into the UK fuelling homelessness/joblessness/pressure on our health & education services etc & what did everyone do voted him in again and again - 3 times over. The British people have it within their power to put a stop to the crazy merry-go-round of Tory/Labour/Liberal & their crazy policies that are destroying the Britain our forebears fought so hard to save during WW1/WW2 but you have all got to stop voting Tory/Labour/Liberal. Have you all got that now!
Don't let us follow America. It is bad enough that they have butchered our language, without having to follow them in non-empathy for their fellow man. There are good things that have come out of the USA, but not guns, greed and selfishness. That is my opinion.
people living in caves goes back to prehistoric times hence cave paintings!!!!!
Why have them living in caves? They should give them a ticket back to whence they came so they can tell others not to bother coming here.
No-one should have to live in a cave in modern day Britain but then is there any real need to live surrounded by the rubbish? I can never understand why anyone chooses to live with this amount of mess. It could all be simply scooped up and deposited in a bin or a skip. The bedding could be stowed until needed. If a cave is your home you could at least make it as pleasant as possible!
It Italy after WWII, destitute Italians lived in caves. They suffered horrendous health problems and some never saw daylight. Life in the caves was brutal, nasty, and short. This was known and sanctioned by local authorities then. I see things haven't changed much!
Homelessness should not happen in any case, but it's worse that people should be homeless in this day and age, especially when we live in an era where technology is advancing at an exponential rate, and when considering the UK is the worlds 6th biggest economy. Unfortunately it is happening because our Prime Minister does not give a hoot about the plight of ordinary people in the UK, might I add those same people voted him in, instead of helping his own people, the PM would rather give billions in foreign aid, and the EU, which we're not gaining anything from, in fact we're being bled dry. Instead of billions being turned over to foreign aid, the useless EU, it should be invested in regenerating empty housing estates, that way everyone will have a home and jobs will be created, in the meantime why not give the homeless static caravans to live in, as long as they're looked after, they're nice to stay in, I know, as I stayed in one, when on holiday in 1994.
Well done Westminster. you've all failed. If there was any accountability left in this country you'd all be out of a job.
"Let's cut benefits for those who refuse work" - David Cameron, 2010. Be careful who you vote for...
But we have room for thousands of immigrants???
These people not from UK need to go back home !!.. Its not our job to feed and house them. We get zero assistance abroad, infact ripped off and robbed is the norm for the British. Speak English and the price of everything shoots up !! We have a housing Crisis and We need to Build affordable low rent homes that accomodate single people. To be single and eat/ pay bills etc is now a massive struggle. Families always get help and Priority from the Benefits system. Lots of single people who need help also to be productive again. All those newcomers here who are jobless need to leave !!. You have no right to be here living off us. Go Back to your own country.
We should all do this but watch out if your heating your cave because the government will probably slap us in the face with moss tax or something
Anyone need a guide (free) to the said "caves" ? People who lived the Cheadle Heath areal know the "caves" were used as extra storage area for the 2 up 2 down (in a lot of cases 1up 1 down) houses built on top of them that were built in the 1790's,1800's , till the start of the clearance program very 60's. Stockport history museum in the market is a mine field of info. Have fun searching... I do
Have they not got there own caves
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth. - Martine, London, 12/6/2013 14:05 youre right - many of them are just thieves
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?
This is what our politicians have done to our country. I wonder if they're proud?
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
Buy to let culture is creating a new wave of homeless people. They would even let these caves if they could.
British caves are for British people.
So migrants get all the > Homes and Benefits whilst our > People sleep in CAVES or on the Streets.You must be Proud Cameron?
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE
Solution: take unused buildings, heat them, fill them with camp beds and basic kitchens and let the homeless stay there. There is no excuse for a country who can give fit, healthy people with 8 kids who are unemployed £500 a week, and not provide some basic shelter for the homeless. disgusting
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare?
He shouldn't even be here, we must be the only country in the world that lets foreigners in who cannot afford to support themselves. I wish we would kick Abu Hamza's family out of their luxury benefits £1million house and use the money to help British people. What kind of country does not look after their own people first?
these kinds of pictures should be used in dissuading foreigners from seeking their futures here...
And yet the DM is pushing to create more homeless with it's never ending assault on welfare...
This about the wool having been pulled over peoples eyes. Middle class professionals suchvas doctors, dentists, lawyers etc will never be left without an income stream. They will never be destitute. People who were conned into believing they were 'middle class' but do not fall into the true professional category are the ones who will come unstuck. Years of free and easy credit helped to fool these people into believing the were "affluent professionals". They weren't. The house, the car, the pension, the career - it was all just Labour smoke and mirrors. The doctors, dentists and lawyers are still living their middle class existence. If you're not, it's because you never really escaped the working class station in life you were allotted!
Disgusting! There's no help for them at all, homelessness is such a vicious cycle which you may never overcome! This country makes me sick, they despise us all!
Just fills me with sadness to see people living like this and STILL the immigration is out of control. How do other countries control people flooding their borders? We just seem to sit and let even more come in and the people that are living here are reduced to these conditions? UKIP I hope you are going to do something if you get in.
When there is homelessness like this in a country that is chucking money at career breeders, there is something radically wrong. Either you have to stop anyone entering England until those cave people have been taken care of or you sterilzie the career breeders on the welfare system. In the end, this sort of thing will bring the country to its knees. I can't understand the right of Europeans in the union to go anywhere in Europe and squat on the good will of the working Joe in another country.
No Human should live life like this, it's making of our politician round the world.
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own.
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control. - Craig, sheffield, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 11:53 ---------------- That's right, why not try to turn that cold, dark, wet environment into a proper little home. Cultivate a slug farm for protein and learn to 'cook' using moss. Then you're not going to mind being in the cold, dark grave you'll soon end up in.
There were people in these caves in the 1970's.
No job, no home. Times are hard and the only way we will recover is cutting higher rate taxes, withdrawing all benefits, and ensuring only those who work have the vote (or better only the rich should vote). As for these people, can not the police be brought in to move them out of the way, out of the caves? It is unsightly for those who might be walking in the area.
Why dosnt the man from Estonia go to his Embassy to ask for help...... cos he knows they dont give a figg,so why should we
They should be given council accomodation and given a chance to get back on track... but ofcourse OUR council houses are reserved for people drifting over on bits of wood.
Bring back the workhouse.
and while this is happening here, the government is still sending billions of pounds abroad. Sort out our own problems first, then try and fix everyone else's .
'Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.' What happen to the practice of saving for a rainy day, which many of us were taught or is the ethos today 'The tax payer will provide - I can therefore spend every penny I can get my hands on and more if I want to';
Maybe they should bring in more immigrants to fix the economy. I know, that's a ridiculous comment, but that's what the US government is trying to do.
Rather than telling the Romanians that it rains a lot over here in an attempt to stop them coming (?!), try putting up posters showing this. We will not automatically house you and give you benefits, you should only come if you have a job, health insurance and the will to fit in, otherwise stay where you are.
We need to nuke all of these countries - problem then solved for both they and us!
Maybe the government will 'cave' in and do something about it!
wow there are a lot of charitable souls commenting here. Firstly, those bags are mostly empty carrier bags, so to be sarcastic and say the poor chap has been to the sales???? Also...why is it someone's fault if they have a mental illness? this man is foreign so cant be given a home? Give him his travel fare back home then.None of you know this mans circumstances yet sit here judging him and making assumptions!! There are thousands of empty properties people like this man could live in but landlords greed stop them doing so. People would rather let a house fall into ruin and be knocked down before they let a homeless person have it.
YabbadabbaDooooo
Everyone here is saying 'the government should help' 'our country is too wealthy for this to happen', yet the majority of people here whinge about people on benefits and people needing that extra help to get back on their feet. So how can you whinge about a welfare and benefit system yet also whinge that more should be done for these people? You can't have it both ways.
The human race are vile specimens , the animal kingdom have more grace in taking care of their own.....Disgusting that people have to live like this, shame on those with an education to know better...Maybe if we educated hearts in the universities we might have a more human society....I would never hold my breath, because i learned a long time ago that people were the pits...
Gutless leadership, Monopoly money, run by the EU, pathetic truly pathetic.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits.
Where has all the compassion gone?These poor, poor souls are living in h3ll and you lot think its their own making .Perhaps a few but not all this is because of cut backs to benefits there are thousands choosing prison for a warm bed and food. You lot are ssso callous its frightening .One day this could be you.
This is NOT a normal downturn. Recessions run in cycles - up and down - but this is a structural one. Make no mistake, we're in trouble. More bad stuff to follow.
Maybe they should stay in their own countries
Is there any reason why the caves can't be clean and tidy or did the photographer just mess them up a bit?
They should go to dosser Park Lane London for some care and attention from the welcoming council down there.
Never mind the government, what happens to all the millions that are given to children in need and comic relief every year!
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
This island was made to appear like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow with charitable organizations and councils and government handing out money ,advice and homes ,well now the golden goose has been killed cooked and eaten and people will have to fight to keep what is theirs for their existence .Welcome to New Britain
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth.
screw all the aid we give to other countries n imigrants lets get this country and its people back on track first fk the EU
If the rubbish had been cleaned away and the place made tidy then there would be room for sympathy; as it is there simply isn't.
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god. - Mack., liverpool, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 12:54 This is new labours Britain not Cameron's
Wait 'til January !!!!!!
Welcome to England now kindly go back to Estonia, England is not the easy life you thought it was gonna be
We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrinking the middle class and leading to a growing underclass.
They could of course go home!!
Forgive me but why doesn't' t he just go back to his own country?
Oh well, at least we are sending hundreds of millions of pounds of tax payers money to developing countries...................
terrible to see
The big, dark secret here is usually drugs. Why won't they admit how many homeless folks use them? Harmless recreation? Not!
If this guy is an Estonian immigrant and is incapable of supporting himself, why is he even here? Why isn't this most basic check carried out on all imigrants? Why is his coming to UK and finding the streets aren't paved with quite so much gold as he expected, my problem? All these homeless immignats should be given a one-way flight home on a charted plane! That way they cease to be a UK problem. At least he has a cave, we used to live in a shoe box int'' middle of t' road!
Instead of building new 'affordable' homes that will undoubtedly be used as an excuse to take more of our decreasing green belt land - why can't they convert ruined factories or abandoned shops into homes for the homeless? Make use of what we have, instead of destroying more of what we haven't.
And the government still allow and encourage TAX AVOIDANCE schemes to enrich the lives of high earners and businesses... While many struggle their way through life paying full tax... And to add a further insult ... The government in their wisdom... Make it all LEGAL for these select few to avoid paying tax... CRAZY or what... Will you be voting at the next election for this to continue... Well people have for the past 25 years... Stupid lot aren't we... To put up with it and get conned so unjustly..... For so long....
It's still better than eastern europe!
This social experiment is not working. The whole thing is a disaster.
GET OUT OF THIS GOLD DIGGING EU!! SAVE OUR OWN PEOPLE FIRST, THEIR COUNTRIES HAVE A DUTY TO THEM SO LET THEM HELP THEM, NOT US. STOP THIS B/S NOW!! YOU'RE KILLING YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
Why should any one feel sorry for them, they come with nothing and expect every thing. life isn't like that no where to live that's the fault of the EU, go home Keith43/Ludlow
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god.
Nobody should be allowed in this country if they do not have the means to support themselves.
Most of the people who are homeless are immigrants. Exactly why should I have to pay for them if they do not have a job to come to and lack the skills to get one?? Their problem, not ours - they should have stayed in their own country.
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS
I know a lad that went to Citizens Advice Bureau to declare he was homeless. They told him since he was over 21, had no disabilities and no children to care for that there was nothing they could do for him. He lives with me now.
This is horrible, they will be forced to get jobs next?
load of rubbish. Nobody has to be homeless in our social benefits society. those who are are there are there through their own fault, usually alcoholism and mental illness where they are too proud to get help.
With a falling population we wouldn't actually need additional housing if it wasn't for mass immigration. The lefty liberals never mention these things, Britain would be far more sustainable if we let the population age ensuring jobs for the youth, housing therefore affordable and kept out immigrants ensuring the viability of our welfare system. Its a crock saying we need immigrants under any basis, liberals and the left think everyone is better than us (well them in reality) so we need to be controlled by Brussles and we need immigrants to save us from ourselves. Wake up and reclaim Britain for the British. CHARITY STARTS AT HOME.
apologies to the monty python sketch - YOU HAD A CAVE ??? - SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER LUXURY.
I am sorry for the people who are having to live rough. However, this person is not english - he has moved to england with no finances, no job offers etc. It is a very sad state of affairs - but was he homeless in Estonia?? Or has he left a home in Estonia to come and live in Manchester with the promise of cash in hand, no taxes and a free house on the dole??
he's got alot of shopping bags around him for someone who's apparently homeless - been at the sales dear?
"An Estonian huddles up in a cave" so not even a UK citizen! Bet half of the homeless are not UK citizens, so really shouldn't be our problem we need to spend "our money" on "our" people first not those who come into the country by choice. Red arrow away!!
Estonians cannot be given a home because they are homeless - They intentionally became homeless when they left the country they were born. 99% of those living in caves are not born or from the UK, they are from abroad, thinking the the UK pavements were paved with gold.
Dave boy get a grip and get this sorted and by sorted I mean stop letting people in this small Island that cant afford to be here ! They should not be here if they cant support themselves full stop , they must all go back to there own country, getting fed up with this soft touch rules we have here. Vote UKIP and get us out of this big mistake once and for all. FED UP TAX PAYER PAYING FOR OTHERS.
Put this picture on the gate of every border crossing to shoe immigrants we are skintight and full up. Charity begins at home then if enough left over give some out.
Nothing to do but still too busy to tidy up apparently.
Should use these pictures as promotional material for immigrants in Romania and Bulgaria intending to come here !
And this government is giving away billions in overseas aid. These people should be given help and prioritised over immigrants. Most homeless people who are given a helping hand turn into productive people who are a benefit both to themselves and society. I remember my mother used to say to me as a young child, never look down on a homeless person, most of them had successful lives until fate dealt them a bad hand. In other words in can happen to anyone, and she and I still believe that.
Nothing new about this if you travel you see type of thing in many 3rd world counties and in places like the states you find people living in cars and in London you see lots of people sleeping in boxes in door ways or under motorway bridges.
If the council cannot help this man then at least give the man his fare back to Estonia
we go halfway round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
Just heard on the news a conservative MP sounding off that they have reduced unemployment significantly, this is not due to jobs, this is due to vulnerable people having their JSA or disability claims stopped. Before you red arrow me I am all in favour of making people work but the ones who suffer first are those who are not able or savvy enough to manipulate the system. These are the ones who have had their benefits cut first cause they can't fill in forms properly or meet the "requirements", shameful on the government. I don't want to pay for anyone who can work, whatever nationality but to try to boast about falling unemployment is treating the public like they are thick,
Well this is what happens when you have an open doors policy and flood the country with non nationals who take out of the system, there is not enough left in the pot to look after your own. Cannot stand it when you all start bleating and crying, you only have your selves to blame for voting labour, lib, conservatives so you could get your grubby hands on working tax credits and in the same breath patronise people on the dole when you get more than them in credits.
What a great thing to see, while Council Official;s can earn up to 600000 a year for doing practically nothing ,and MPs want another 10 to 20 grand a year on top of all the fiddles and non jobs on the side they get up to. The Country is going downhill very fast indeed
my god - we go half way round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
I have NO sympathy for any of them. They HAD a roof over their head a sometime, what did they do to lose it?
Perhaps if we didn't hand out free houses then we would have more resources available to provide for OUR OWN PEOPLE when they're in need!
Has anyone stopped to think that many homeless people choose that lifestyle? Some are drunks, drug abusers, beggars and individuals with mental problems who have been failed by the system. With the plethora of benefits available for these people, very few are truly "homeless".
Hobos are kings amongst men whereas the lowlife comments here seem to better wasted on the subject of pink toys and why Samsung is better than crapple.
why is it with every news story - blame is put on immigrants?
Cameron's Britain.
Stop sending money to the bottomless unaccountable pit called the eu, close the immigration gates to everyone except those who can show ancestry here, and stop all aid as a beginning to solving the problem. Then, gather up all immigrants who are here to spout hate, and all criminals from other countries must be returned to their own country, now we've cleaned the country up a bit we Brits can start re-building our nation until we're great again, Oh almost forgot, JAIL ALL POLITICIANS WHO DELIBERATELY SOLD US OUT TO FOREIGN CONCERNS. Our only solution to this problem as for the past decades the big political parties are hell bent on sinking our nation VOTE UKIP and let's see if a new broom can sweep clean.
Couldn't these people have hundreds of billions of pounds? Ah no wait... that is reserved for foreign aid for Countries that have a better economy than ours.
So the homeless people are immigrants from another country??? One has to wonder why they chose to come here in the first place. If they are so poor then how did they afford the flight over? Maybe if these people worked a little harder and actually got a JOB then they wouldn't be homeless. I see homeless people on a regular basis who are always begging me for money. I don't give them any because strangely they can afford alcohol? I know the only thing they will use my money for is booze and drugs. Wake up and accept the reality people.
More of Labour's legacy...
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe???? - Graeme, Nuneaton. >>>>>>>>> So you got as far as the "Estonian" bit and then stopped. Idiot.
Billions in aid and nothing in the pot fo UK , Time you went Mr Cameron your not fit for purpose
GO HOME THEN
The blue wrapper on the floor is from a syringe
Such a sad story, especially for our own British born people. Yet the government splashes billions on worldwide charities etc, the bankers are still allowed to take home MASSIVE paycheques, the main companies in the ul are stripping the wealth out of the economy and not putting the tax back in. Seriously where did it all go wrong??
So people have left their home in another country to come to the UK, not a very wise idea as it is making themselves intentionaly homeless. It's their choice.
this is certainly unacceptable, but on the subject of them sleeping in "filthy, rubbish strewn caves", surely this is their own making? it is their rubbish. they have polluted their own environment. It sounds like these caves are full of the usual homeless losers. Give them a reasonable home and in no time at all they will have reduced it to the same level as these caves. We read this week about the guy that was making £200 a day begging outside a bank somewhere. There is money available to almost anyone that gets off their butts and goes after it, even if their only skill is to hold a badly written cardboard sign.
The great unwashed will always be with you, fact.
I suspect a story that our government would like to hide. Well it's out now, but then, only the MPs and the blind would be unable to see the reality of government cuts in our once decent country. When people are being found dead in these caves in the winter are we supposed to be happy ?
Why doesn't he go home to Estonia if it is so bad. I expect he would rather live in the cave in the hope of being given a free home here. It's ludicrous.
mm homeless and destitute but rich enough to leave half empty tins of food on the floor and condoms?? And that sure is a nice camp bed he's sitting on!!
Under the EU Social Charter it stipulates that migrants have a "Right" to housing.. We have our own responsibilites yet, potentially, we need to house everyone who arrives.. Madness..
This is in no way new... from the caves in Nottingham which were used as homes, (Now under Broadmarsh Shopping Centre), to caves on the Great Orme in Llandudno, to the crypts of St James Cemetery in Liverpool. The problem is that the NIMBY's don't want these people cluttering up their scenic weekend walks, report it to the Police, who come along and turf these people out - but to where? I've always found it heartbreaking that there are so many people in the world who just want to pretend these people don't exist - they're still human after all, just in bad times. A cave may not sound appealing but its a lot better than an alleyway or doorway, especially in the rain! These people need help, not castigation, maybe with the benefits reforms we are now seeing there may be some money there to help the people who really are in need of it, rather than those who want luxury items such as big-screen tv's with no intent of earning the money for it themselves.
Note the lights and needles on the floor.... UKIP will sort it out.
To ease the housing shortage, one could always stop immigration into the Country.
Not one pence of foreign aid should be given until we take care of our own people.
Disgraceful when our own countrymen have to live like this and yet a foreigner with his 12 member family gets a £1m+ 8 bedroomed house courtesy of the tax payer. Why isn't the government doing more to help these people? It shouldn't be just up to Comin Relief or other such charities to help them!
TOUGH. .
The Estonian man shouldn't have come to this country if he didn'tt have enough money to support himself....don't try and blame the government!!!!
Another effect of out of control immigration. VOTE UKIP!
THIS PICTURE IS DEVASTATINGLY SAD. IT SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IT IS DISGUSTING. LOOK AFTER YOURE OWN PEOPLE FOR GOD SAKE NOT EVERY OTHER COUNTRIES. SHAME ON YOU.
We need more social housing, especially housing that reflects the modern family, often a family of one. Tenants are being force out of their family homes because of the bedroom tax because there are no smaller properties for them to move tom. A society is judged by its poor.
The important words are "An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport" ..... so why does he not go back to Estonia ???
I'm not a Brit, obviously! But come on, "a certain someone" needs to help his own people out instead of opening the border and sending $$ to other countries. Those photos are absolutely heartbreaking, no one deserves to be homeless. It's ridiculous how you guys have so many folks from Eastern Europe living on benefits yet "a certain someone" can't help his own people out...:/ Just my opinion. Fight for your rights!
And we provide luxury homes for preachers of hate, lavish benefits for all across the EU Dictatorship - with millions more to come in the new year. It is OBSCENE.
When we lived in't cardboard box.........
Can i respectfully ask that every newspaper in Romania,and Bulgaria print this story in their papers,and if your people still want to come to prosperous Britain then at least they know what to expect .....Of course theyll still come its already better then what theyve got...and lets face it it will only be temporary,untill they get their new free house and benefits VOTE UKIP and stop any more coming
No wonder mancs are so obsessed with Liverpool - it takes their mind off living in manchester.
It's not Liam is it....
During World War II , many Londoners flocked to Chiselhurst cavies in South East London to take refuge from the bombs that were dropping all over London. You can still visit these caves today. Many people/families lived down is those caves throughout the war - bunks were set up, together with a medical centre and a theatre, where they put on plays and entertain themselves. Perhaps now in these times of austerity and government cuts, the caves could be used once again to provide accomodation for the homeless, we could have Royalty or our Prime Minister go and open them and they could then proudly announce to the world, "This is how we deal with homelessness in modern Britain". Its called the "Big Society".
They know where the exit is....
We haven't got much chance when we are having to cope with the homeless from other countries too
Hope it's a one bedroom cave,otherwise this government will tax it
Why should the authorities help homeless Eastren Europeans? Surely any Eastern European, who becomes jobless should make his/her way back to his/her home country & not rely on UK charities to help them.
If the ones from Eastern Europe are homeless over here why don't they go back to their home in Eastern Europe instead of being a burden over here?
show them a job and they will leave the cave, fast.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick.
I hope the council is harrassing them for council tax. this is blatent tax evasion
It's obvious what the problems are. Let's all stop pretending we hadn't seen this coming way back when Blair and his cronies were singing 'Things can only get better' and opened the doors wide to ensure they stayed in power.....they need a new verse to that song ......'and then they get worse'....Worse is obviously the new Better as we are supposed to think these changes to our native country are just great, exactly what we wanted, and why didn't this happen sooner it's such a blessing? Could they really have believed that the economy would not tank? I don't know how some people sleep at night.
This is really terrible for these vunerable people the Tories are getting what they want people begging for food,next slavery will be introduced,all politicians want to hang their heads in shame because this is what is happening to our once great country poverty for the masses is the Tory manifesto for 2015
The answer like the lady from Crisis says is to build 1000s of affordable homes, we all agree this would go someway to solving the problem except no one wants one of these 'new council estates' anywhere near them. Welcome to the 21st Century Britain a country that hates hypocrisy and malthusianism.......In others.
We are a rich country and have people living like this. I would give me great pleasure to sack the dim-witted.
If you're looking for someone to blame, look no further than Brussels.
It's probably likely that everyone is one wage packet from being homeless.
The result of unfettered immigration. No-one should be allowed into the country unless they have a job or a means of supporting themselves. Maybe that man would be better off returning to Estonia?
Don't have children unless you can reasonably expect to provide a home for them (with you) if they fail to fend for themselves. With no sensible employment history you shouldn't be allowed to have more than two children (I peronally don't think you should be allowed to have any you can't support (unless you are an ill or disabled special case) but I suppose we are too far down the line of 'Human Rights' for that ever to come to pass. Don't expect someone else to pick up the pieces resulting from your thoughtlessness and greed, genuine needy cases excepted. It's too easy to live on benefits it would seem. There our politicians are to blame.
Some people themselves prefer the open air and nature in the raw to being cooped up indoors---Yes it IS true If caves are not damp--they are good to be in and keep a fairly constant temperature---warm in the winter and cool in the summer---Definitely not everybody's cup of tea for a myriad of reasons but communion with nature has been and still is practiced by a significant percentage of populations--not just the down and outs as this article puts out
Just keep sloshing our money abroad...plus those scrounging coming here. Don't get me started!!!!!
Go back to Estonia then........
People living on the streets is bad, but maybe, in this particular case, the homeless Estonian man should go back to Estonia where he probably has family
These are the pictures that potential migrants should see before they come.
Dreadful state of affairs. How come some people can get everything, 6 bedroom houses, loads of money from the government, free school meals etc etc and there are people homeless. Surely it is all out of proportion and nobody should live like this. I know some people don't help themselves and have addictions and cant get work, but even so they are humans not animals.
This has been common knowledge to Stopfordians for years.It has always been used by drug and alcohol users. It is sad, but not due to current Govt legislation.
Never mind eh, you all turn a blind eye because you think everyone but you is a benefits scrounger, its all been done in your name, sit back watch it all happen, its what you wanted after all, we could ask for it to be televised, the new big brother, make it a spectator sport, and you are all only one step from this.
There are single people occupying 2 and 3 bedroomed council houses.
Camerons Britain, the rich get richer everybody else gets poorer.
This is all very bad, but 2 things: Why do they have to fill the place they are living with litter? Why not put it all in a bag and take it to a bin next time they walk out? And - 'Half empty tins of food'. I would never waste half a tin of food! It would get eaten at the next meal or whatever. And I am sure the temperature in the cave isn't so hot that it will go off in a matter of hours!
They should at least keep it clean, build a fire, sleep on animal skins, make bone tools...
And there are still more queuing to get into the country, what is going to make our politicians come to their senses?. I personally have lost faith in all three parties,none of whom can tell where the truth finishes and the lies start, that is why they have spin doctors.
We are one of the richest countries in Europe and we have people living in caves. Time to sack some people.
Balderdash. I bet they are middle-class left-wingers looking to complete a narrative on the heartless government. There are hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who live under roofs.
Well I hope it isnt a two-bedroomed cave buddy, because the good old treacherous UK Governments will happily shaft you again for that.
Squalid: An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport that is strewn with rubbish and filth. For him it is home: Where he is living he cannot help, the filthy condition it is in, he most certainly can. I have been in cave and dug-out homes all over the world. Most of them were cleaner than the average hospital ward... oh, not good comparison... cleaner than the average professional kitchen!
Theres a very simple solution. Go back to their home countries where there friends and families live. Dont expect me to pay for every economic migrant down on his luck.
and Abu Qatada carries on living in his mansion with his missus plus his 6 kids. Hamza's wife is still here with his kids in accommodation. Billions of pounds wasted on a new BBC centre, this is disgusting, totally got priorities wrong.
Shame on democracy where people live even worse than commie China. Shame!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
And of course we are all in it together.
"Homeless men and women are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" The Food Bank at Christchurch in Dorset (an area not exactly famous for it's poverty and high unemployment) has just moved its distribution centre to a warehouse because demand has doubled in the last 12 months. Ditto the Food Bank in Oxford (ditto my 'poverty' comment). But - How can this be, when our Unelected Leaders tell us that "Average earnings are 1.3% up on the previous year - up by 3.3% in April alone"(!), "Jobseeker's Allowance claimant figure fell by 8,600 in May compared to the previous month" and "The number of benefits claimants is at its lowest level in two years". So it's 'Spend! Spend! Spend!' for everyone!
Homelessness is an utter disgrace in a civilised society, however, it the Estonian man has arrived from Eastern Europe, without the means to house or feed himself or get a job then he should go back home. Immigrants should not be coming to Britain with the expectation that they will be provided at taxpayers expense with a home and benefits, having never contributed anything in tax or national insurance. We should however be looking after our own people, who as a result of being flung out of work thro no fault of their own but due to the governements austerity measures and cuts are now loosing their homes. After all they have paid their tax & national insurance contributions and should now be protected having fallen on hard times. The blame lies clearly with the Politiicians who have allowed and continue to allow uncontrolled immigration and there will be even more homelessness when the Roumanians & Bulgarians arrive, expecting to freeload off Britain.
only the begining,a lot more to come looks like the tories are getting what they want,and thats houses for the immigrants while brits live in caves what a disgrace,three party's to blame not one people must vote ukip.
Just because you live in a cave doesn't mean you have to have rubbish everywhere.
In the meantime everything budget is being cut apart from the foreign aid budget. This is just so wrong, help YOUR OWN people FIRST.
Due to mental illness I lost everything & was homeless for approx 10 mths. Sleeping mainly on the streets, I usually sat up all night and dozed. It was safer to sleep on a bench during the day with people about. I would often sleep behind shops having first collected clean cardboard out of the bins to lay on. I was very scared and often sat all night in the foyer of the local police station when a certain desk officer was on he would make me a cup of tea...bless him, but then I would need the toilet so I would walk across the town centre to the 10p toilet. I always had 5 x 10p's for the toilet during the nights, days I would use shop toilets. I would wash in any toilets I could during the days and try to stay clean. I remember the day 'I came back' mentally and managed to sort my benefits & book into a cheap B&B, then an hostel, bad times. Prior to those bad times I was a professional worker and lived in a beautiful house with all the 'trappings' - it can happen to anyone!
Once upon a time those caves would have been the height of luxury. With a few changes, such as willow screens, bracken for a mattress, a cooking fire etc it could be ok for a while. Obviously not in winter and no doubt the location is not ideal, and the marauding kids a threat, but if people wanted to improve their surroundings they could start by picking up their own litter and taking some pride in themselves. If it was me I would make the most of the situation.
No wonder so many Brits left for overseas. I think commie China is good destination where people are much better off.
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010... - snowonthebeach , London, 12/6/2013 11:39.......................even more Eastern Europeans came over here, sold a pup of a dream of money and jobs. Most towns have small encampments around them it seems now, tucked away out of site and to a man or woman) the residents are Eastern European and for that we have to blame, not thank, Labour and Gordon Brown and Tony Blair in particular
They'll be adding council tax on to those soon.....
SHAMEFULL.
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe????
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
Just because you are living rough in a cave does not mean you should not keep the area clean and tidy .If this is your "home" for a while then make it as comfortable as possible and as clean as possible.No money does not mean you have to live in squalor it simply means you have to try and survive as best you can.
Simply put ... No Way ! George Osbourne tells me everything is OK despite austerity based cuts. That's good enough for me. The must be made up ... I mean .........
This is totally unacceptable, British people should NOT be existing like this and until the ever-increasing numbers of immigrants who expect to be housed, clothed, fed etc., is dealt with NOTHING will change any time soon. When are 'the powers that be' going to wake up to the dire straits we're in? [and it's going to get worse]. There are FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE in this Country - something we've all known for years
At the risk of pointing out the blindingly obvious, stop letting people from other countries in here who cannot support themselves, and that most definatly means other EU countries. And concentrate on housing people of this country, because one thing is for sure, we dont have a big enough cave system to support the rush of poor people coming from Romania and Bulgaria
These cave dwellers must be native Brits. No illegal immigrant would be allowed to live like this would they Mr Cameron/Clegg/Blair / Brown/ New Labour ?
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
And our Foreign Aid budget is growing by one billion a year? How can Mr. Cameron justify this?
He does not have any visible means of support and is unlikely to be a job seeker, unless he is writing "Cave near Stockport" as his address on his applications!
And do the likes of Cameron, IDS, Clegg etc care? What a silly question, of course they don't! They are too busy lavishing it up at our expense.
The EU has equalised all the states of Europe (except perhaps for the German state!) so that we have our share of abject poverty as well. Can't say I like living here any more.
'the caves are currently occupied by an Estonian man' - I have a suggestion, why doesn't he try Estonia? This article is littered with big percentages, all of which are meaningless without an actual number. We all know that most homelessness is caused by adiction or mental illness and until we tackle those issues this situation will continue no matter how much additional accommodation is created.
Better in caves than on the streets!
These people are not our problem and the government should be concentrating on homeless British people first and foremost
How can they afford condoms?
But Dave Cameron is so proud to be sending billions of aid abroad.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 12:29 If you read the article the person mentioned as living in the cave was Estonian and the project manager for the charity said there were an increasing number of East Europeans among the homeless-
Wake up and smell the coffee Camoron this is the reality as to what is happening in the streets and cities' of Britain. Stop squandering OUR hard earned money on YOUR pet project's in foreign countries many of which have nuclear arsenals and space programs. Stop the myth that we are a rich and prosperous country we are in fact BANKRUPT and only get by by borrowing BILLIONS of pounds. Vote UKIP and get rid of these out of touch rich boys.
Help our own first! Estonia and Eastern Europe?? What are they doing here?
"half empty tins of food" ??? fussy or just not hungry ?
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 Did you not red the article? He is an immigrant from Estonia who arrived a few weeks ago. If the council gave him a house you would no doubt be complaining about that too!
I honestly thought the council had a duty of care to house people even if it was in emergency bed and breakfast. How else do all these people including immigrants get given properties in Westminster and the like. What are the rules if you lose all your money, you can't go looking for a job dressed in cloths you slept in so they can't claim job seekers, if they have a disability they couldn't stand the cold and damp so that rules that out. If your spending any benefit you do get on Drink and Fags then it's your lifestyle choice, but you can't just sleep rough anywhere near a public place as they are in Park Lane much to the amazement and amusement of nearby residents,shops and Hotels. They must be moved on or better still removed from the country because they are not seeking jobs and a better life they just want a free meal ticket and are making a nuisance of themselves until they get it. This government is pathetic and will be replaced in 2015 i only hope it's UKIP/BNP not Labour.
There are lots of people wanting to blame the government, but over the past few weeks this paper has proved that a huge swath of homeless people are Romanian gypsies. Then there are the "homeless beggars" who pack up their begging bowls every day and go home to their houses to count their takings for the day. Let's not forget the junkies who have fallen into this sort of mess through their own stupidity. Few people are homeless because of the economic situation, most are there because of drugs, booze, alchohol and crime. The vast majority of them are on some form of state benefits so why on earth are we supposed to shed tears for them?
three years of tory rich boys ,and the poor are living in caves ,can you see a pattern?
Why are we allowing this? There's more than enough money to put them up in a hostel and help them find jobs. The fact they can wake up to having their sleeping bag set on fire with them in it is astonishing.
It is only filthy because they make it that way...if they cleared their rubbish instead of leaving the mess for others to clean it would make it a bit more pleasant! No excuses!
Thanks to this hellish government's welfare policies the situation is set to become infinitely worse.
I'd take a cave over a cardboard box any day of the week!
Trying to get a place is a nightmare first rip off agencies who wont even consider anyone unless you pay them money up front even then you are not gauranteed a property happened to me didnt get my money back either..its all about money i went to my local council but was told it is not their problem when you are homeless life is extremely hard and people judge you because of it
Building new homes for immigrants while our own live in caves. Then we send 12 billion abroad for charity. As our national deficit sits at 120bn a year and the interest is over 60bn a year.... Makes sense cameron? We want our country back!
Yet the can give away Billions away on foreign aid when it could be used at home.Wonder if that makes CaMoron Proud to be british.
I cannot help to say some people are simply lazy, unwilling to work anything.
I"ve got a great idea how to alleviate the cronic housing shortage in Britain......Invite hundreds of thousands of migrants to come and live here!!.....oh,they"ve already done that.
A poor state of affairs.Stop sending aid to countries that don`t need it. What I don`t understand though, is why in all these sort of stories, you read that they are littered with half-empty tins of food, filthy clothing and condom wrappers.They could put their litter in a plastic bag and drop it in a litter bin.They are only making matters worse for themselves.
So the plans of Dave Giddy and IBS the epitome of Conservative self interest greed and ignorance is working then DM ? What a ghastly triumvirate they are.
And with the new bedroom tax even more will end up homeless. My husband and I want to downsize but there are no one bedroomed properties available to us within 60 miles of where we live until we both reach 55.... as my husband works, he would have to leave his job and I care full time for my 90 year old mother, so thats not an option. So when we get evicted because we cannot find the extra £100 a month we are now charged, we will be in the same boat as these poor people.
wen u turn to drugs - alot turn homeless
But these are the sort of people who cannot even keep a cave clean. Why does he surround himself with filth instead of moving it away. Even stone age people had a midden. Most animals deposit their waste away from the area in which they sleep.
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29" You are seriously out of date. 20 years of corrupt, inept government has turned a wealthy nation into a bankrupt one. More people will end up on streets, especially if this government does not stop immigration and does not do something constructive to restart British industry.
Unsurprising when the government is stopping peoples benefits.
A lot of homelessness is caused by alcohol/drug abuse and mental illness rather than a lack of benefits. With JSA and Housing Benefit, however meager , (Unless you have 9 kids and are reaping it in) there is no reason people should be sleeping on the streets. We need to tackle the mental issues and substance abuse issues. Sadly, a lot of Charities have lost their way. The Big Issue started with noble intentions and for the first part of it's life did good and really helped a lot of people with issues. No, Sadly, it has lost it way. Of the 8 Big Issue sellers in Reading I know that at least 6 of them at living in Housing Benefit paid flats and receiving benefits. That is not "homelessness" and the Big Issue need to total overhaul their vendor program if they want to get back "on mission"....
If you live in a cave you don't have to live in squalor. Just clean it up. Fancy leaving empty tins etc all over the place. Why don't the immigrants go back home then? It can't be worse than being homeless here.
Charity begins at home!
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk, 12/6/2013 11:39.....No! We should have proper housing for all Brits who have paid into the system!
Give them the homes that we give illegal immigrants to live in. These people are British born after all, aren't they?
And those of us who are forced to private let because we can't get our own place are being bled-dry be landlords. 2/3rds of my wages go on rent. Been on the waiting list for 13 years and offered nothing as i see new flats being built and our " neighbours " filling them. I actiually hate Britain and if i could i would be our of here.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago" - Does that not suggest he is not here officially?
The 1% will be ok.. they always are!
If they dont like it they can go back home again.Simples. No one asked them to come here
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets." Do we BB? Are you aware of this country's crippling debt? We are deeply in the red yet we continue to give millions to foreign aid to give the world the impression to we can actually afford to be so generous. We have an NHS that is all but disappearing, a coffer that has much more taken out of it than is put in and people who habitually abuse the system and that includes the bankers. I have to ask though why on earth immigrants would come to this country only to end up living in a cave? Surely better to live in a cave in one's own country? This country is in crisis, not just economically but morally. We have people managing multi million budgets who should not be allowed to manage a petty cash tin and local authorities that squander our money on their own expenses. A complete overhaul is needed but who has the minerals to do it? Not the current government and certainly not labour who created this mess
Take a look at many of londons parks and green spaces and you'll see groups of european men,every day,getting drunk. Often sleeping where they fall unless the Parks Police kick them out. Sorry,but look at the empty bottles in the pictures. Take responsibilty for your actions,rather than playing the victim card then expecting the UK to pick up the pieces by clogging up our A&E departments 24/7.
This is the inevitable consequence of de-industrialisation. There are fewer jobs for low-skilled workers, which has created a multi-generational class largely dependent on state handouts. When the state finally runs out of other people's money (as is inevitable in the long run), those who are dependent on it because they have neither the skills or the upbringing to find work are left destitute. It doesn't help that successive governments have treated it as something that will solve itself, so it's festered. It will take a long, long time to fix this problem, if it can be fixed at all.
All they have to do is become a racist spouting cleric and then they will get free accommodation and all the other perks. Surely we can do better for these people. How about the church steping in to help?
So, clean the cave and area up, stop drinking beer and spending funds on condoms. Go to charity shop and buy clean clothes. You don't have to live in filth! Red arrows to follow! Maybe red arrow users could take some of these people in and give them a spare room.
And who has littered the cave with half empty food tins?
The Rich get richer by exploiting the poor, but the Rich always have an excuse why they need to take more money from the Poor. Solution, we must destroy the Rich and take back what was stolen, by lies trickery and deceit.
WHat on Earth is going on in our country when immigrants can get housing and benefits, but our own people cannot? Give the properties to our own first. This is a total disgrace!
"Homeless people are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" Thank you so much, New Labour, for the unrestricted immigration.
The charity behind this article (the Wellspring) say that they help the homeless, but guess what? they don't provide a single bed. Perhaps your reporter could ask them why they can't even put one homeless person up, despite having assets and income of over half a million pounds?
Hmm "charities" .......no such thing in this country , do you mean massive corporate charities that we have in this country , with massive salaries and millions in bonuses with HQ's in London , its just another scheme to syphon off public money into private privileged hands with the added bonus of all the tax breaks etc that goes with being registered as a ""charity"
Cameron and Clegg's ConDem UK - expect more of same with rich getting richer off the backs of the poor - including those working for starvation wages.
Tory Britain 2013 ... Was the same in the 1980's and STILL people vote for them. Am sure your 'fair minded' readers will have no problem with this though !
These people deserve no sympathy, they can't even keep a cave clean. Whatever one's circumstances, there is NO excuse for living in squalor.
Forced?
Take a good hard look David Cameron, this is your Britain - you're a disgrace to be letting this happen
Shambolic, the options facing these people would be hostels or shared accomdation, often with drug users and general scumbags.
Those photographs should be made compulsory to hang on the walls of our party leaders and bank officials, who receive multi-million pound bonuses, to serve as a daily reminder of their greed and the mess they have caused to our once great country. !
Without all the immigrants, legal and illegal, there would be homes for all the Brits. Close our b orders and have a big kick out = criminals and hate preachers first and then the rest. Homes and jobs first for those born and raised here.
Homeless man from Estonia? Sorry, but if they can't support themselves to clothe, feed and house themselves then they should be packed off home. It shouldn't come down to our government to had everything out on a plate. We have quite enough
Homeless immigrants... Thanks Tony!!!
This simply should not be happening in this day and age. I can't nvisage the situation getting any better once the Border Controls are relaxed next January.
I don't understand how poeple can be homeless when there's so much of the British population who do not work for a living and receive free homes and benefits and they don't even have to be Brisith born...
About time you all protested.
Not buyin it sorry... Evidence of drug abuse scattered all around him... Addiction is not a disease, you can't catch it.. Just saying
Sorry, but nobody is forced to live anywhere.
How many millions are squandered on foreign aid, legal aid, interpreter fees and benefits for non UK citizens, plus Afghanistan which I might add is the world largest producer of heroin, the issue is easily solvable, along with the Austerity programme
Well where else would "homeless" people live, in "homes"??
And this will only increase when the stupid government open the flood gates. They are just not bright enough to see what will happen. But they don't care because they have filled their own pockets will overflowing wealth, and as soon as it is election time, they will disappear like the other lot did like rats leaving a sinking ship.!!! an anagram of B liar comes to mind Come on UKip give it a go.!!!
so this is Tory Britain!
This is nothing to do with immigration or the councils it harks back to the days of Thatcher and her selling off council houses and then denying the councils right to replace them, since then no government has helped with a Social Housing building project, now this corrupt and unelected government is not only failing to build the thousands of Council houses needed but is giving billions away to build private houses for sale to the affluent, building council houses is not only a darned sight cheaper, but gets employment going again and gives a much needed boost to the economy with the added bonus of more rents coming in and other companies needing more employees for peripherals to be manufactured which in turn leads to wages that will be spent on washing machines, carpets, etc making more companies employ more people with more wages to be spent meaning other industries pick, why is it that it seems that politicians seem to have their brains removed upon entering public service?
A high percentage of these people are drug addicts or alcoholics.
The difference between these people and most of us is we forced ourselves to get an education and jobs. I believe everyone has the capacity of rising to their own level of competence and to deny this means we are being arrogant that others can't do this for themselves. I was homeless, so I can say it can be done if you are determined without any help from the government.
Most of the unfortunates are not UK born probably EU so why not give them their fare back home as UK let them in without proper documentation checking!
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
I hope the cave does not have a spare chamber, otherwise the government will make them pay bedroom tax on it.
And they still have a open borders policy. This government is as determined as the last to sink this country and cause more problems.
--------------we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk -------------------Why can't we stick those who shouldn't even be in this country in to little pods and giv
Get used to it !There will be no state pension or welfare within 25 years time . A fundamental shift is taking place .....
The homeless immigrant problem is very easily solved just give them the plane fare home. As they will no doubt have any money because the people trafficas will have cleaned them out. Surely that would be far better than living on the streets. Sadly we don't have enough houses to give them a roof over their head. We can't house our own British citizens. If these people were re-patriated they get to go home, we get a true picture of British homlessness andhopefully the true figures can then be dealt with accordingly. As it is the sheer amount of new homes it would take to house both the immigrant homeless and our own would just be big for any government tackle.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, Don't you know that councils have NO housing responsibility for single people or even couples without children, unless they are categorised as 'vulnerable' because of age, mental or physical illness etc. Properties tend to go to some immigrants because they have large families and that is the main criterion of need. Rather than accusing immigrants of causing this situation, the result of government policy (which tells us that the homeless are "scroungers" who can easily find jobs), we should instead be investing money in building a whole new swathe of social housing in towns and villages across the country. Capital investment like that would not only provide those in desperate need with somewhere to live but revive the economy.
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
what sort of devil child sets fire to a sleeping bag with someone in it ... that horrified me as much as the headline. Why arent these children in bed !
And yet immigration from Eastern Europe continues to rise!
Remember "we're all in this together"? Funnily enough though I don't see Cameron, Clegg, Osbourne -or ANY MP living in a cave, do you?
Immigration, UK and Homeless all in the same story, clean your cave up and have some pride. it's only messy cos they have allowed it to be like this. Would they live in a house and allow it to be like this. I had nothing in the early nineties and was never without at least a roof over my head due to the support of the social services. You can lead a horse to water but if it doesn't want to drink it won't.
Why are we continuing to let in immigrants when we can't house all our existing population? It doesn't make sense.
Look what has happened to our great Britain. Unless someone with some TRUE BALLS OF STEEL can lead us, give the country a big kick up the a*se and REALLY sort things out, we are DOOMED! I fear it may be too late as it appears we are already a 3rd world country.
So when you say that Britain has a homelessness problem, why use an Estonian man as an example? He can go back to his own country if he doesn't like it here.
Why is the person in the cave deliberately hiding his face? has he spent his benefits on drugs and booze so can't afford a room or is he on the run from the law, gangs or family.. Or maybe he is a model just posing in a picture to raise the profile of the charity? Just doesn't ring true to me!
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
We have weapons of mass destruction we have to address , Poverty is a weapon of mass destruction , Homelessness is a weapon of mass destruction , Unemployment is a weapon of mass destruction .
New world order has arrived, this isnt the HALF of it
"estonian man arrived weeks ago" nice one cameron and co. keep em coming and pushing us into the dark ages
Send him back to Estonia.
how much does it take to make these people see they were better off from whence they came?
Governments need to control immigration, force banks to start lending money, ensure that large companies pay their fair share of corporation tax...............well that's a start....... Why is it that governments have no idea how to run a country? If I ran a country, any country, there would be no such thing as debt! That's how I have always lived my life so running a country should be no different!
So this government is not taking us back to the 19th century, it is taking us back to the Stone Age.
Where are all the youngsters living in caves with their parents going to move to, if the middle class homeless are taking all the available caves? It'll be hovels next!
You'd be lucky to find a cave like that around here.
i think you will find that someone from Estonia is NOT a UK resident. illegal immegrants do seem to be coming into the country and sleeping rough sometimes. maybe they should have to show they have somewhere proper to live before they are allowed in. its not down to UK charities to house immigrants of any description.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
This Estonian man could surely live in much better conditions in....er......Estonia?
how large does the population have to get. before we slip into third world status
this is not a country that doesnt care and that doesnt support people in need - as we the taxpayers have found to our cost. I dont believe these people are in caves because they have been turned down from the many charities and goverment funded organisations that are there to deal with the homeless, unemployed etc. Stop making me feel guilty i have contributed enough since 1982 when I first started working (and at one point at two jobs paying tax twice!) - no doubt when i require a nursing home, hospital bed or even the state pension I would be entitled to draw when I finally am allowed to retire all monies will have all been swallowed up taking 'care' of people who didnt take care of themselves or their own in the first place..
Why are we paying for all these MPs? I would rather halve their number and give the money to homeless charities.
yet another 500,000 will come into the country next year and increase homelessness and unemployment and drain our services even more. complete and utter madness
Close Britain's borders and stop flooding our country with broke, prospectless people who have nowhere to go and no resources except those they can leach from hardworking British taxpayers. It's not rocket science. Taking the current status quo to it's logical conclusion half the world's poor will end up in Britain, our country will be a slum, British people will have paltry access to the overstretched services & housing they have paid for all their lives, all the while paying out more in taxes to cover ever increasing welfare handouts, and our countryside will be built over to house the world. Dear God, someone with a brain and some balls please come and take charge of Britain. UKIP is the only solution I can see.
Cameron, Osborne, Clegg and all their 'mates' will not see articles such as this, and for certain will not stoop to read readers' comments - the UK is experiencing the same government rhetoric as the US - the mainstream media fails to publish the real conditions experienced by far too many of its citizens. Rubbing salt in the wounds of these poor homeless and largely ignored people are politicians who dispense massive financial 'aid' to countries which do not need such help. The UK is in terminal decline - the two 'party' system has totally let the people down - wake up British subjects and vote these greedy, self-centered, smirking liars and thieves out of your parliament before it is too late..the clock is ticking....
Don't care about the Estonian or any other immigrants, I care for the British people forced into these conditions when billions in aid is sent to Pakistan India Afghanistan ....... help our folk first why don't our people have rights
They should all get off their lazy arses and find a job that will allow them to pay a mortgage on a nice new house in sw1.........oops sorry I really should stop reading the Daily Mail. Red arrows away.
This is how Labour want to see all of Britain living if they had their way. Very sad to see.
"Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron" - alex , wales______________ Don't forget the first massive blow to the economy was the government giving hundreds of billions to the bankers who had squandered their money in dodgy dealings to give themselves multi-million bonuses.
Jonathan Billings, project manager for the charity, said that the number of people - including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. This is only going to get worse when the others are given the green light. We have enough of our own problems, they should travel back home. I'm sure they have family back home and can rely on their own government to help out, not ours
I cannot understand why this needs to happen to destitute UK citizens. I mean, immigrants and their extended families seem to get sorted out with a house and fixtures within days of arriving here..............!
mr Cameron should be ashamed that this is going on in our country , but will he do anything about it ? i dont think so . dont know why people come to britain to live its disgracefull
Stop all immigration and all foreign aid until our own problems are under control
David Vile Cameron has been cutting money to Homeless Charities for three years ,so soon they will close due to lack of funding
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
British people should always get council homes first. Estonians, Romanians etc can always go HOME.
This problem unfortunately is set to increase, along with the increase of repossessions, we also have the implementation of the Bedroom Tax. I suspect that charities such as Shelter and the Food Banks will become stretched beyond capacity as these half witted Governmental policies bite home. Whilst I agree that there are problems with benefits, such lack of foresight by the Government in terms of its policy implementation, is bewildering. It would be nice if we had a Government which was able to think about the effect its policies have, before they are implemented, rather than have to deal with the aftermath. But then to associate this Government with thinking, is quite frankly nothing more than wishful.
The Estonian man has the choice of moving back to his own country. he obviously came here with no job, accommodation or prospects in place. We had a case here over 10 years ago of a middle aged man who was living in a cave on the beach. He'd had to come back home to Scotland for personal reasons after some years working in Australia. Were the council or the state bothering to help one of our own who had fallen on hard times - yes, you guessed it - NO. He was existing on charity and kindhearted local souls who gave him food. They council would probabaly have just said he made himslef intentionally homeless, the state would have said he wasn't entitled to anything. This country really is useless when it comes to dealing with its own. It may sound harsh, but we don't need the homeless of the EU over here.
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
I despair for them and despair for British taxpayers. Britain is ruined and our governments are doing nothing to prevent the causes of such despair.
And all those empty properties!!!!
Never mind, our homegrown terrorists are safe and comfortable in their huge, taxpayer funded houses.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
george orwell down and out in Paris and london 2013 edition sadly too many dont care if truth be known the govt would welcome a drop in life expectancy
Councils do not reserve houses and accommodation for the British.
The banks have caused most of this. They borrowed cheap cash from the Chinese who have been cash rich rfor a while. Then the banks lent it to UK borrowers, in the form of sub-prime or toxic loans. (There have been plenty of TV progs on this like Panorama.) Lending to folk who can't repay then forclosing, is a form of loan sharking. They take peoples homes to get the money back. The govt. used taxpayers cash to bail them out, so there would not be runs on banks. (MP's would lose out in a run too.) They still have their bonuses. YOU can say it's the borrowers fault, but it was the banks that lent toxic loans. Banks are regulated by law of the UK. Borrowers therefor though they were in safe hands.
Sad and distressing to think of people living rough. But, with a third of the country getting help with housing from the state costing billions and bankrupting us, let's agree to do our best but recognise that a) some people chose to live rough (mental illness comes to mind) and b) some are just on their way onto the state gravy train. Seeing how awful some social ills are may hopefully induce others to strive and work harder not be join them. Every answer isn't "throw more money at the problem". We already know it just doesn't work.
Your comments: Another image to make Britain's rich happy including ALL politicians and royalty.. this is a class segregated county and the rich lobe watching us suffer
What are these Estonians doing here in the first place?
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!" The guy pictured in the cave is an immigrant.
Living in caves in warmer countries is quite common. Some even have washing hung outside.A few items of furniture from the tip and they make it cosy. Now squatting is illegal in residential buildings there will be more of this. Shanty towns everywhere.
Yet in our row of 5 housing ass. houses, the 2 that became empty went to immigrants, who are being a nightmare and not interested in obeying tenancy rules. They also don't speak English. How can they get them ahead of British nationals??
15 Years of Oxbridge Educated failures have led our Country to this. Still Parties keep making them Leaders and still The Media keeps promoting them. Until we get rid of them and Brussels, this will continue.
Stop importing destitute people from across Europe and the world who make themselves intentionally homeless in the UK and you can start to deal with the existing problem.
Wellspring ? yep a so called charity of paid people want to get a portfolio of properties under their control want more houses paid for by the tax payer ? who would have thought it ?
Sadly this is only going to get worse. It's shameful that anyone should have to live like this, but some of these homeless people have only themselves to blame, having entered the country with no means of supporting themselves. Housing the homeless should be priority for any council but they really can't win - if they do spend their budgets on housing jobless immigrants they then we complain about that as well.
This is the caring face of Tory Toff Britain, our own suffer while we support the sick, lame and lazy of the world.
And DC keep giving away our money to corrupt Countries that laugh in a our faces. When you next wish to see starving people Dave just look at your own people.
Such a relief we've still got money to look after our overseas cousins when they decide to move here. Why should we look after our own anyway? What have they done to deserve that? Worked, paid their taxes - counts for nothing today.
WHAT!!!!!, am i reading this right, a british person living in a cave in 2013 , i cant believe it, these bloody people come over here from god knows where, take our jobs, get massive houses that no ordinary person could afford, get benefits, cars and only they know what else, and we the unde.rdogs are getting food from food banks and living in caves---god help us because cameron and his cronies wont.
To BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 who wrote :"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets" --- that used to be the case but unfortunately a lot of greedy people from all over Eastern Europe and other places have flooded into the country, and our leaders, only too eager to dish out tax payers money to them, have totally neglected to save any for the very people the system was ACTUALLY designed to help
This Is down to Cameron. The buck stops with him.
Simply speechless.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, ==== How do you know these aren't immigrants? We have so many wanting homes, exactly where are Councils supposed to put them all - in hotels, hostels, council housing or pay private rentals. It's a no win situation and one that needs addressing urgently, as we have too many people in this country who don't have jobs and who don't have huge benefits to support them. Single indigenous males are usually the ones who can't get social housing, especially if they lose a job and can't pay rent and are disadvantaged because they don't have dependents.
And still they want us to take in more and more Easr European immigrants. Give us our referendum now Camerclegg!
Looks to me as though the man leaning over has a mobile phone attached to his ear - if he is homeless and presumably unemployed - how can he afford a mobile phone? Oh silly me, I forgot! He will be on this country's very generous benefits!!!
Our Government don't care.
Emigrate to Northern Canada.: cheap housing
Yet we continue to give lots of aid to other countries, all so that Davey boy and his mates can play at being world leaders.
Homes in the UK should go to people who have lived here and paid into the system for at least five years. Also, please note, Cameron: 1. Charity begins at home - save some of the billions of OUR money you are giving away for the people of Britain and 2. Building more social housing will kick start the economy and will provide homes for families and singles currently living under conditions which, quite frankly you have no idea exist in your 'Westminster' world!!
Heartbreaking - The homeless need to be given some positive assistance - Now!
We can't even look after our own people, but hey lets get more foreigners here !
There should be no such thing as homelessness in this day and age. There is a lack of housing so stop people moving to the country until the citizens have a roof over their heads!
prefabs will making a come back
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people ... "- Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ########## I'm sure the council will be along soon - to charge them council tax...
I have zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it their lifestyle choice to come here and live in a cave or on the streets. I get annoyed at the bleeding heart liberals who insist on helping them. That help should be reserved for our own homeless, who have no choice in the matter
If I was forced to live in a cave etc it would be a priority to dig a pit for rubbish etc to keep vermin away from my environment. Having said that, I know that I am very lucky to have a roof over my head.
Stop sending our money to despot leaders in far off lands and sort out England Cameroon.
Drive through Europe and you will see these people everywhere living in shanty's and in forests, sad that it has come here.
surprise surprise ...foreigners come over here and expect to be handed jobs or benefits and housing
Meantime ex-government employees still enjoy pensions paid for by the state which by comparison to these poor people make them appear to be rich.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 - If you had actually read the article you would know that the homeless charity specifically say a large proportion of the people sleeping rough are immigrants. I come from your area and know a lot of people are backward but even so, read before you comment!!
DM readers dont mind the unelected rich royal family living in 500+ room Buckingham Palace at taxpayers expense.
He doesn't exactly make an effort to keep the cave tidy.
Brinskway caves, knows as Maggie's - This might seem harsh, but that Estonian man should NEVER have been allowed in the UK, and should be returned promptly to Estonia...He along with many other EU nationals have NO reason to be in the UK.............And The Wellbeing charity, should focus on BRITISH homeless men, of which there are many, I know personally that actual help for homeless men is few and far between.....
Goverment is asking us to cut back.. how when salaries are staying put and expenditure is increasing. Why dont THEY cut back and stop buying houses that are NOT being occupiedm and handing out increases. Seems we are having to pay for them to continue to live their luxury lifestyles while people like this suffer.
This makes me so sad to think this is Britain!! Instead of helping other countries, out priority should be to help our own!!
This survey is too ambiguous. First groups need to be identified, those who are here illegally or have arrived without the finances to support themselves or economic migrants or the indigenous that have there priority passed onto others that are part of a secret quota signed up to by government, etc. All this is part of an uncontrolled immigration policy.
seems this country is far more concerned of the welfare of those abroad (as always) rather than our own so this is no surprise..
Kate Middleton could give them some money. And Mrs Beckham aswell!
The Eastern Europeans who come here and are homeless and living on the streets have to be sent back home! This is ridiculous!!
Eastern Europeans who are asking for support here should return home and ask for it in their own home country. We have enough to do and are responsible for our own.
Absolutely awful for this to be happening anywhere, let alone a First World country. This Tory government will no doubt be setting up "camps" for the people they have abandoned if they win a next term. Shameful that the bankers and those who are beneficial to the Government are getting richer while they target the poorest in the land time and time again.
It doesn't make sense to move to another country without making plans for what you'll do when you get there, surely? Did they not make any plans to enable them to return home if things didn't work out?
Has anyone read the story? Some of these homeless people are immigrants.
This will happen more and more as the government stop caring for everyome who isn't their elite pals.
Too much housing has been let out the immigrants. Brits should have priority.
This is disgusting, and along with the increased use of food parcels (even for those working), has shown how far we have fallen. Roll on 2015, and let's get this lot of Buller Boys out for another long time.
Get a job then pay for a home! I do it and so do millions more. Simple, isn't it.
Its a small price to pay to help India's space programme with foreign aid.
Well I'm sorry but the Eastern Europeans are economic migrants and should be sent straight back from whence they came, there is an unsustainable amount of pressure on social housing as it is and British people should have priority! This was always going to happen when Maggie allowed the sale of council houses without using the revenue to build more social housing, it's not rocket science, yet our overpaid over privileged politicians seem oblivious!
This is what happens when governments relentlessly pursue and prop up policies that are proven not to have worked, and never will. I have never qualified for council housing for one reason, I don't have children. Add to that the fact I have always worked. Yet I have had to watch penniless people flood into my country and expect everything including a house and, worst of all, they get it all. I used to work for the DHSS so this is experience talking. While WE cope we get nothing of value from our taxes or grubby politicians.
The Bullingdon Club are in power and homelessness has risen - you could knock me down with a feather. Capitalism is utter Godlessness.
You vote Tory to ensure the poor don't have it easy and expenditure is reduced.The results are entirely predictable .The majority of DM readers should be pleased that they are already seeing signs of Conservative policies .Increased foodbanks,,poverty ,suicide ,homelessness. Labour/Lib won't get elected if they try and help the poor .So expect more misery for the poor.
A homeless Estonian man? Sorry, but he should do what would have been regarded as sensible and normal thing to do a few years ago and RETURN HOME! especially as mass migration from the EU and elsewhere is the REASON we are short of homes!!!
Welcome to modern Britain folks......the end result of political stupidity, ineptitude, and a shining example of the latest British administrations utter failure to manage either the economy, or their own, disasterous social policies, Osbornes horrendous handling of the economy is wrecking the UKs recovery, starving everything and anything of investment and support is NOT the way to fiscal recovery...it IS the way to keep Britain in decline and failure, everyone from the Governor of the Bank of England, to leading financiers have warned him so, but, George ignores them....George knows best.......not.
blame poor people for poverty! It makes perfect sense. I mean, they caused all the financial troubles and were living a life of luxury before the crash. Then one day, they decided they didn't want to work, so just quit their jobs and went on the dole.
Thanks for this Mr and Mrs Blair, this is your legacy
what a surprise and wait for the bedroom tax to really bite as it is just getting going people are missing paying that part of the rent as they do not have it so are getting more and more into arrears eventually the councils or housing associations who usually bend over backwards to try to help these people will have to start eviction . most if you arrears will allow you to pay a small amount off the bill each week but if you have been hit with this tax it will mean no matter what you do the bill will rise
Shame they can't claim asylum as they'd no doubt be lavished with a property and all the treats they want to fill it with.
Perhaps the government should stop giving money overseas when it's obvious that people need it so badly over here. While it's sad that people in other countries are starving, having their homes destroyed by wars etc. British people should come first! Think about how much could be spent on the people here, if foreign aid was reduced or even stopped until this country is prosperous enough for everyone to have a roof over their heads.
i am homeless. the problem is that if you cannot prove bank statements for the past 3 years of where you have been living/staing, then you cannot get housing. in addition, if you have been sleeping in a car (as i have done), been sleeping on buses, been sleeping in airports, that does not constitute as resident in this country. my objection though, is if you come from the eu, and have kids, you can get housing straight away, without having to prove anything! i cannot get benefits because i am of no fixed abode and now the govt don't accept that, even though you can put it doen on the intitial form, everything has to be done online - and that costs! crazy. i am british, middle class and female, and yet i am still expected to sleep on the streets. in london, it seems to only be the british who are sleeping on the streets!!!
Sad to see, more should be done to help although I do appreciate a lot do not want it.
No matter HOW they endedd up in this situation, it just breaks my heart. Keep safe. X
And is still too get worse as we let more and more welfare scroungers in from the Indian subcontinent and EU
Why did the bloke from Estonia come here if he had nowhere to live? Having somewhere to live should be a requirement for coming to Britain. Homeless charities should be focusing on homeless British people, not someone that turned up a few weeks ago from another country hoping for a house!
Those who have lost their homes include middle classes hit by downturn the other homeless do not really count thanks DM
when i saw the picture. never in England and surprise it is.
Sorry guys, all the accommodation has been given to foreigners.
If we stopped giving homes to foreigners there would be plenty to give to our homeless
Go out, get a job.... I am sorry, there is no such thing as "unemployment" go round ask at people's home if you could do a bit of gardening, clear/clean driveway... Wash their car flip burgers at fast food restaurant... there are LOTS of foreigners here, washing cars, and cleaning jobs, they are not taking your jobs, they are taking the jobs that you are to bone idle to do... There is a movement of "will not work, if I do not like a job" rather than unemployment. I have no sympathy.
"Crisis" had better get their story straight - how can we build homes to accommodate not only our own but all who decide to park here when there are no jobs and no one to fund these grand ideas - where do these people come from??? I suspect it is a place called LaLa Land.....
Appalling....but we cant give houses to everyone who enters this country....our own MUST come first...my friends niece tried to go on the local housing list...she was told single mothers take priority...then immigrants . ..so to rent privately....sounds wrong to me.
Seeing the amount of rubbish littering the cave. It seems to me that this is the best place for them.
This may sound harsh but, if the homeless people are immigrants they should be sent back to their country of origin to be looked after by their own governments. We, as a country, cannot afford to take in anymore people who cannot support themselves.
Why do people come from other European countries to end up homeless here? Do they imagine that the are going to immediately be housed on arrival? Anyone who isn't British and is homeless should be rounded up and sent straight home. Anyone who isn't British but is living off the taxpayer should likewise be sent home - that might free up some houses for homeless British people.
So one DM article (over 65's in work) says unemplyment DOWN, while another says unemployment UP?
Where is the family of this man from Estonia? What are they doing to help him? Why does it fall on the local authorities and council tax payers of the UK to house him. Sorry, I voted for a Common Market, not an open house for all comers. Pay his fare to return to Estonia where he can be cared for by his people.
This Estonian man living in a cave should be given a plane ticket back to Estonia, I can't be all bad back there.
An 'Estonian man' living in a cave. What the heck is he doing here anyway?????? Maybe if he went back to his own country he might be better off.
Maybe the mother with the 7 kids and 6 bedroom house could squeeze a few more in...
So actually these homeless are immigrants that arrive here with no work, home and expect the British taxpayer to fund them.
they have no one to blame but themselfs
Meanwhile, criminal immigrants are given free millionaire houses and welfare benefits they don't deserve.
Unfortunately with the introduction of the bedroom tax, along with repossessions due to austerity, there is a much higher risk of people becoming homeless. This in turn will put a further strain on food banks and charities such as Shelter. Shame the Government does not think about the consequences of bad policy making, before they make the policy. However, sensible policy making, rational thinking and common sense are not processes I would associate with this Government, it is simply incapable of such.
What a sad, sad state of affairs. Perhaps the Lords could donate their generous allowances and forgo their subsidized restaurant meals (£60,000 per week) to help out.? Thought not !
In a generation, there will be no Middle Class, only the very rich and the very poor... Read Spengler's 'Decline of Western Civilisation' (look it up on Wikipedia.) Just DON'T read it before you go to sleep!!
Why are we paying for terrorists & hate preachers & immigrants when there are HOMELESS TAX PAYING BRITONS?!?!?!?!?!?!?
You may want to blame the Coalition for not sorting the mess out, but do not be beguiled into forgetting that this is Labour's doing! This is the lag time of their disastrous time in office surging through and is the inevitable result of Socialism! In fact, we have not seen anything yet in terms of sheer scale of their failure, that is yet to come, although we are seeing the influence of the Labour party cozying up to the EU! And remember, most Socialist voters, vote from an ideology, not from the perspective of national economic well being! This is why Socialism will always fail as it is based upon a false belief of wayward promises using outdated and inappropriate rationale - not economic and geopolitical factors of social advancement!
The usual DM Tory brigade will say tell them to get jobs. It really is appalling really in 21st century Britain.I struggle each month but feel lucky when I get hone late at night; that despite all. I still have a place called home.This article saddened me.Also that you can contribute for many years into the tax NI system and then when needed you are branded a scrounger.
then go home.
Cameron doesn't care about people.
It's disgusting that citizens of the UK are "living" like this in the 21st century, whatever their previous circumstances. Yet homes and benefits are thrown at thousands of undeserving recipients who continue to flow into our country unchecked.
Its very sad, homelessness is increasing pretty much all over the world. Its interesting the call for cheaper housing, if it wasnt for so many NIMBYS maybe we could actually get building.
Welcome to Tory Britain 2013.
The repugnant face of capitalism ........you could not imagine what this poor soul has running through his mind....the hunger games are fact not fiction...........
This is CAMERONS Britain we are all in it togeather, I think not.
Thius is why we need to stop opening the floodgates to every waif & stray from across the globe! It's about time charity started at home!!!
Then the Eastern Europeans should have stayed in their own country instead of coming to the UK to sponge on benefits "Great Britain" can't afford.
Been happening for years. Watched a program on some where in the USA last year, loads of normal people had a house, car jobs ect.normal hard working people. 12 months latter living in tents, motor homes and concrete pipes. All to do with going in debt to much and it suddenly catches you. Sad but true. Not lt we can do to help really.
I have very little sympathy for homeless Eastern Europeans and wish they could be deported, we have way too many here as it stands - go home
Your report says.........."including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.........." Firstly, if they are immigrants from Eastern Europe they should not be allowed in this country unless they can prove they have the means to live. Secondly, people who lost their jobs in the downturn will be able to claim benefits so to say they are left without any source of income is not correct.
they should pretend they from another country and don't speak the language then they get everything! then they have have an interpreter and paperwork printed in English....for once!!!!
If there is nothing here for them why come here,go back home simples really.
Class should not come into the equation if you are homeless. It is a shocking state of affairs that in this modern society, the wealthy west, we still have people that are homeless!
They came from homes, why don't they go back to them?
It seems totally wrong that the homeless indigenous population, no matter how they arrive at their particular situation, have to wallow in this type of condition when both legal and illegal immigrants hold out their hands on arrival to the UK and are given priority food, clothing, accommodation and cash benefits.
People from outside the UK should not be granted entry, unless they have provided proof that they have a job, and a lease for a property, for at least a year. Those who do not qualify to be in the UK, should be deported immediately. Immigrants should not be entitled to apply for any benefits / social housing until they have contributed to the system for 10 years. Problem solved, there would be enough housing for true UK citizens.
So, we can't look after our own, and still this useless government let in more and more people from other countries....
What's with a cave, it's where primitives used to live and it's free.
"I don't think politicians are aware of the scale of the problem" The politicians prefer not to think about it.
Having come to this country to find a BETTER life & then finding there just isn't one, wouldn't this poor man be better off going back to his own country (Estonia) where surely the Government there should take some responsibility for one of their desperate citizens???
Charities are business and this is publicity, granted some of the money donated to them goes to help good caused but an awful lot of it goes to make a select few very rich!
I was born in a prefab just after WW2 and it was a great little bungalow style house, complete with wood/coal burning stove. It was supposed to last 10 years but some are still in use today. Why can't this Govt build thousands of them now, as they were relatively cheap and this would be a great boost to the building industry.
Zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it a lifestyle choice to come to the UK and live in a cave. I wish these bleeding heart liberals would stop trying to help them and instead focus on the British homeless, who have no choice over their plight. What the hell has happened to our country?
Gotta love capitalism.
I'm assuming that this report includes people from Eastern Europe who set up their squalid camps here. Take from the equation every homeless person who has no right to be in Britain and the problem isn't so bad. Send back to their home countries all those in so-called 'social' housing who have no right to be here to free up homes for homeless indigenous Britons. And bear in mind that some people, for whatever reason, don't want to be housed but prefer to live on the streets, however strange it might seem to others.
Fine. Find the immigrants who have never worked and only taken for the longest period, boot them out and give the homes to these poor people. This is a bdy disgrace, it is UK not Sierra Leone. They have also at some time contributed, and do not dare tell me that this is beyond the realms of possibility. Tell the EU to get stuffed and do it. NOW.
the bedroom tax dont help plus all the people coming in to the country
But our beloved Coalition still wanted to give the best part of £200 million in aid to India?! The old saying of "charity starts at home" has never been truer.
Homelessness and poverty increases whilst those who are able to buy up any property going to rent out at exorbitant fees and the government does nothing but legislate to increase poverty further. This is Tory Britain - upheld and maintained by a Liberal Democrat thirst for power at any cost to their principles. Labour sit silently in the shadows with nothing to say!
Not sure why people who have lost thier homes (mortgage default?) have to live on the street but people straight of the plane get given social housing or housing support???
Whilst this is very sad, you need to look at the individuals concerned. I have a friend who is unemployed and apart from a short spell working in a cafe, she has not worked for nine years... She was evicted from her council flat due to rent arrears and is currently camping on a friends sofa otherwise she would be homeless. She simply would not get a job to help pay off her rent arrears preferring instead to stay on benefits (hard to believe but TRUE)... So what do you do with people like this? You either keep throwing benefits at them or they end up on the streets - sadly with my friend, she had no intention of working... There is only so much you can do to help some people if they're not prepared to help themselves. What I do think is very unfair is that single people who have worked and paid taxes receive no help if they become homeless whereas those who have never worked and become pregnant are housed no questions asked...
And still people pour into the country. Not all, but a sizeable part of the current problem can be attributed to "New Labours" open door policy on immigration. I know some of you won't like my comment but it is a statement of fact.
And yet the do gooders tell us that we should embrace ever greater numbers of people at the lower end of the social scale from all over the globe. God help us.
Once the floodgates are open, we will have thousands more Eastern Europeans camping in our parks. When will Cameroon & his buddies come out of their ivory towers and see what is happening on the ground literally.
There are thousands of empty shop units and pubs around the country, some have been empty for years. Convert them to homes and house all the people who have been ordinarily resident in this country for over 5 years first, then those who have been here for over 2 years. Anyone who's arrived since then can go back to the last country they were in and declare themselves homeless there. There is no need to build more houses on greenbelt or flood plains.
I'm far from being a bleeding-heart, soft-headed liberal, but this is very sad. How can such an advanced society allow people to live like this? I don't want people to choose a life on benefits, but neither do I want them forced to live on the streets or in caves. Surely there is a way of creating a safety net (for UK citizens only) that doesn't encourage a lifestyle on benefits. Perhaps vouchers for accommodation, food etc rather than cash.
O M G This is so bad. We have how many illegal,s coming into this country and I bet NONE of them are on the streets!! Look after our own FIRST!!
If the shortage of housing is that bad why is the government going to allow hundreds of thousands of immigrants from Eastern Europe to enter this country in six months time.
Meanwhile our political muppets continue to give away BILLIONS of pounds in foreign aid that we have to either print or borrow.
If that woman who was whining about having to manage in a 6 bedroom house freed up a couple of rooms, this couple could move in and pay towards the rent.
And yet apparently we can still accommodate millions more ??
how long before the torlies charge them rent for this goverment sponsored accomodation ,bed room tax should be paid as well
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control.
I want a cave!!!
If someone from the EU countries moves to another EU country to live then they are supposed to have a job or someone who will support them financially before that can move there. Clearly not the case with the UK as we can see. Of course a charity will step in and insist they must be housed and fed by UK tax payers. NO - they should be sent home. If any of these 'homeless' people are really Uk citizens then we really should be sorting those cases out.
The only thing the EU has done for Britain is turn it into a toilet! And unfortunately even previously upstanding folk are just being flushed down it
At least they have another home to go to!
The man pictured is from Estonia? How is he our problem? He came here, he can go back.
Hopefully those people thinking of coming to our country for some easy living will read this article and change their minds, we can't afford to take care of our own let alone foreigners.
Well done tony and cyclops oh yeah and that other waste of space prime minister we got now - who want's to flood the country with more of our desirable european chums.
With stagflation affording to keep a roof over one's head becomes harder and harder. Even if one has social housing the cost of rents, heating and council tax and food makes it hard to make ends meet if one is on a low income. That is the reality for many people. Some people who have worked all their lives but due to the down turn and robber barons who inflate the prices of the necessities of life now find they have insufficient income. Of course mr Cameron is proud we have so many food banks, I think he misses the point. Perhaps he is proud people are now living in caves, what an indictment on Modern Britain and our elitist politicians Labour and Condems. The plight of the poor working class does not move them they are too busy scoring points in their peurile debates and promoting the vested interests of the super rich.
the homeless Europeans should be rounded up and transported back to their home country. End of!!
Shameful this is tragic. No one should be denied food or shelter which are basic human rights.
He says nobody wants to see people living in caves. I have a differing veiwpoint. Instead of blighting what's left of our countryside with cheap tacky little houses, why not reduce the surplus population to manageable levels so that we all get a fair share, and a decent lifesyle.
Stop giving housing to any immigrant who has not fully worked and contributed for at least ten years.
And still we keep our boarders wide open for the world to come in. This is utterly disgraceful and the sooner we part company with the E.U. who are dictating to us that this is what we must do, the better.
If they have to live there why don't they at least tidy the place up, it's not that difficult.
Is it not because it suits their drug and alcohol fuelled life. Discuss.
And still this Government let thousands more into our Country that have no where to live and no money or jobs. This Country will look like a shanty town the way its going.
There is not enough room in the UK for all the millions of newcomers who were encourage in to the country by labour
Cameron is trying to kill the middle classes. Most of the small businesses, Shops, white collar workers. The tory TOFFS are trying to kill them off?
No body should be homeless, but if you hide in a cave nobody will know you are homeless therefore nobody can help. This country is becoming a disgrace on all levels, we need more safety net housing which supports people into work to be independent, and more affordable housing for those on low incomes such as supermarket workers....
They should still have a bit of respect and keep nature litter free. Clean home, clean mind, that's a start. It will only get better from there. How on earth can they better themselves if they sleep amongst rubbish. Make the best of what you've got, whats around you and better things will come.
Go home, it is not our job to look after the World.
It's because we're helping out other countries, and people from other countries, before helping our own people! I'm all for charity but it's meant to start at home isn't it?!
They may have chosen to live in a cave but they don't have to live in squalor.
What a sad state this country is now in. The gap between the rich and poor starting to widen again, I do think that money should not be sent abroad until we have solved our own problems here in our own country! It is good that attention has been brought to this, but the low-life now have been informed also and I hope it doesn't have bad consequences.
People who sleep on the street often choose to. Councils have a duty of care to house people who present themselves as homeless and have hostels. Do not feel sorry for people who choose to live this way it's their choice to go off grid. Those who do not choose are often in need of help by way of institutionalisation but today it is the lack of this type of help for the mentally ill that is the problem. Care in the community is a farce for some of these people and they end up on the streets mentally ill and no where to go. Building new houses isn¿t going to help these people.
He could go back to Estonia and his government can look after him!
But by all means cut benefits. Everything in life costs money and with no job and no help you can't afford food, clothes, toiletries to keep you clean, dental treatment, bus fares to the doctor...it's amazing how quickly life is reduced to merely existing.
And still our doors are open to the ever increasing numbers of people who want to come and live here, the vast majority of whom seem to find no problem in securing accommodation......But wait and see what happens when the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here....As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet."....Thanks a lot Blair, Brown and Cameron for ruining this once great country.
This will be a common site soon, especially with the ridiculous universal credit, bedroom tax and giving people their rent to pay themselves. Realistically how many people with addictions are going to pay their landlord?!
well done IDS and THE NEW NAZI TORY PARTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any room? I'll be joining you soon
I'm pretty sure you're not middle class if you're living in a cave DM...
And David Cameron has increased foreign aid spending whilst his own are starving and living in caves....not to worry i'm sure there will be some happy people in Africa!
Your comment: Are these vulnerable homeless peoples families (if they have a family) aware that you can't rent a private property if you are on benefits. There aren't enough council/ housing association properties available with long waiting lists. So where can homeless people go? My suggestion is that when a homeless person is genuinely homeless the council could loan them the rent for 6 months in advance which is how you can rent a private flat/ room (the law can change to offer grants). The money can be paid back once the homeless person has found a job, his/her self respect, and found their feet again. Homelessness is truly a situation where "But for the grace of God go I". I know of one letting agent which will not let to pensioners unless they were earning over £18,000 per year with their pension. There doesn't seem to be much compassion for people who have had genuine bad luck. Some people are victims of broken marriages due to partners alcoholism or violence.
Sickening ! These are true British people and before the red arrow brigade get started banging on about alchohol , drugs and their own fault etc remember the inflation proof foreign aid that the cretins in charge shovel abroad and also see all the incoming aliens are provided with social housing , benefits etc . There is nothing more shameful and the British people deserve a lot better than this .
We are in trouble as a nation when our people have to resort to sleeping in caves. Are we a civilised society or not?
We have a very generous Welfare State so there is no need for this.
And we still send £billions in aid to foreign dictators !! Good one Dave !!!!
This seems like the lodging we should provide to preachers of hate and division
I'm not really bothered if it is immigrants homeless because they can go back to their homelands and should not be entitled to access the British welfare system, just as we couldn't rock up in another Country and demand housing either. But there should be no British person who is homeless.
Why live on the street like this? Go and stick a brick through a window and get put into her Majesties Finest accommodation where you have everything you need including TV, Food, Education, a Gym, PS3 and so on. Think about it!
AT THE END OF THE WAR MANY GERMAN CIVILIANS CLAIMED TO HAVE NOT KNOWN WHAT WAS GOING ON IN GERMANY,,,,,,THEY HAD AN EXCUSE,,,THEY DID NOT HAVE THE INTERNET,,AND ALL THE COMMUNICATION ROUTES WE HAVE NOW,,,,WE HAVE NO EXCUSES,,,,,,WRITE TO YOUR MP,,,,,,OR PANTOMINE 'DAME IAIN' DUNCAN SMITH, WHO IS PAID £5,000 A WEEK TO RUN THE DWP/BENEFITS, HE ALSO GETS FREE USE OF A £2 MILLION MANSION......ASK HIM WHY
Why isn't this headline something like " Homeless and jobless man from Estonia has nowhere to go but live in a cold wild cave in the UK"? There are people from Eastern Europe living in bushes on the Common near where I live. Jonathon Billings from homeless charity Wellspring - DONT ask us to home ALL of these people!! We CANT do it! Our own cant find homes.
And overseas aid continues to flow. What about our own people Cameron?
But of course foreign aid is more important isn't it Dave? Oh, here's another country that hates us and wants to kill us all, we must give them lots of money. No hang on says Hague, it's more important to arm Al Qaeda in Syria and then after that here's another country we can bomb.
Well I am glad that we are sending billions in foreign aid to help them, oh, hang on, it's the UK! Hopefully the EU can send billions here to help us? Yeah right! Our poor country, it gets worse and worse
This is outrageous when asylum seekers are brought to this country and immediately given a council house, money, furniture, mobility allowance ...... Our priorities should be to house the people of this country.
I would not mind living in a cave for a while, the problem is that the jobsworth council would probably evict me.
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010...
Read those figures folks and look to your Government. Shocking. What a legacy of their priorities. And don't fall for their classic trick of blaming the poor. The odds are stacked against all of us - IN EVERY AREA - except for the good old 1%.
All thanks to Thatcher- Major - Blair- Brown - Cameron. (That BBC )
Not to worry many will still believe it only happens to others.
"We're all in it together". What kind of sick society allows for this level of poverty and homelessness? One that is based partially on the lie of austerity, something that an American student exposed recently. Britain now stands somewhere between Brave New World and1984. Welcome to Dystopia.
Was this man homeless before he travelled half way across Europe to reach Stockport????
Crisis is misguided if it thinks the Government will build affordable homes. It will not. It has no interest in building affordable homes. Instead properties are built for 'executives' only affordable by foreigners especially in London, driving up house prices. Thatcher destroyed the idea of public housing by allowing all housing stock to be sold to tenants and none of the funds raised from the sales to go back into good quality affordable housing. Social housing stock now is what no one else wants to buy. And if you think 'half buy' schemes are easier - you are wrong. I used to work for a HA and getting on to these hen's teeth schemes is harder (and more expensive) than getting a mortgage. We turned people away with mortgages. So these homeless people would not be considered. And renting can be just as onerous to get into and expensive to pay for in public housing stock. The Government has no handle on rising homelessness as the impoverished don't fit with self interest.
'Leading homelessness charity Crisis has called for the Government to build thousands of new affordable homes in an attempt to tackle the burgeoning problem.' .. and when there is no more room we ..?
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.
What a world we live in. Heartbreaking.
So we have this here and our government does nothing to help.
Are these homeless people born and bred British people or are they the recently landed immigrants seeking a better life for themselves?
''Across the country, homelessness has risen by six per cent over the course of the past year, soaring by 34 per cent compared to three years ago''... ''An Estonian man is living in a network of caves in Stockport which is popular among the homeless''... how many of the 'new' homeless are 'foreigners ??
The UK is a modern vibrant society.
Homeless? No problem, Prince William is on your case as he supports homeless charities. Bit difficult to contact him though, could be at one of his three houses or on holiday- but keep trying!
This is disgusting.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets.
Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron
Class should have NOTHING to do with anything in modern society. It's a throwback we can well do without. The fact any of our own are homeless is a national disgrace, and class has nothing to do with it. The fact that immigrants arrive here and then claim homelessness is a completely different issue and to conflate the two is disingenuous and wrong.
The EU want the government to revert us into cave-dwellers, so this is the first step. How long till the council find a way of slapping council tax on it.
Thats because we are the low waged tin bashing capitol of europe. Maggie Thatcher did away with our major industries in favour of the City of London, this was continued by Tony Blair. Today manufacturing industry is a dirty word to our politicians.
It is the law now that employers have to give workers four weeks holiday per year if they are on a regular contract.
It's Thatcher's legacy. Employers, always looking to cut costs, will hire the cheapest labour. If Thatcher hadn't destroyed the unions Brits would have had somebody looking out for them. Instead all that matters now is the employers profits. Loadsamoney!
yup but the Uk is the only country in the World where work is entirely discretionary and of course its quite socially acceptable to be on "Benefits" - catch22 , Poole, 11/4/2013 13:49 It's the only country in the world where workers are sacked or made redundant, and then get blamed for being unemployed when their are no jobs to replace those lost. There's a spiteful spirit in this country, with the powerful and greedy using the weak and poor to hide their avariciousness.
why i should give a job for lazy and complaining brit if somebody can do this same better faster and with appreciation that have a job
That's because other countries leaders look out for their own people, our politicians have sold us out and then attempt to deflect criticism by insisting it's EU regulations or globalisation. The money wasted on A4e, Serco, Capita, Atos etc (whose results or worse than doing nothing at all) would habe been better spent funding decent training and creating jobs.
Could be something to do with the unions twiddling their thumbs while industries fired British workers and hired cheaper labour from abroad, who were prepared to take less than minimum wage - as long as they didn't have to pay taxes. British citizens lose both ways...... no jobs and no taxes to pay for unemployment benefits - sandy , rottendale, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 13:07=========== You can thank Maggie for having useless, inept unions, she was the one who wanted them destroyed, she did a good job on them dont you think.
Why do people still blame Blair? It's got worse since the ConLib, why don't they change anything? UKIP will...
Its because Governments of other countries look after their own first, unlike Britian, where the natives are the bottom of the pile for everything.
The reason for this statistic is that people who are from the Netherlands, Germany and Finland are far better educated in the State sector than our people are.
@elaine , when british people sold the big issue a few years ago it was to help them because they were homless and jobless , now all the people who sell the big issue are from eastern europe. they are classed as self employed and can claim loads of benifi
yup but the Uk is the only country in the World where work is entirely discretionary and of course its quite socially acceptable to be on "Benefits"
you seem to know a lot about him. How do you know he was "probably" born here and still paying UK taxes. I'm sick of these ex pats telling us what to do and how to it without having the courage of their convictions by coming back and actually standing up and be counted if they see something wrong with the running of this country. I wonder if he is as brave in his political outspokenness where he lives now ! He would soon be shipped back here if he was. PS I vote UKIP ! - Geoff , Guildford>>>>----- You're wrong Geoff, Ron and I had the courage of our convictions to LEAVE the UK, as we could see what was happening to the changing culture of Blighty. When you live there, perhaps you can't see the forest for the trees. Stand back.....and you too will see! (BTW....I was born there, but don't pay UK taxes.....no UK income)
More anti-British propaganda. I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing it!! We are constantly discriminated against in our own country and there's no 'hate crime' for us, no protection, we're treated appallingly in our own country.
ALL other countries in the EU favour their own nationals FIRST as you would expect , the only place in the EU this doesn't happen is here in the UK with British employers quite happy to sing the praises of ex-communist countries & their workers skills, skills that were provided under a communist system, a system that businesses here would never tolerate or prosper under. It's a shame we haven't got a system here that trains all school leavers for a trade but I guess we would need to be living under a communist system for that to happen. right ?
Could be something to do with the unions twiddling their thumbs while industries fired British workers and hired cheaper labour from abroad, who were prepared to take less than minimum wage - as long as they didn't have to pay taxes. British citizens lose both ways...... no jobs and no taxes to pay for unemployment benefits
UKIP -Give us the vote ,lets reclaim our country. - ron, krung tep, Thailand, 11/4/2013 7:40 ============= "your country" what has it got to do with you., you don't even live here ! - Geoff , Guildford, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 08:36****Don't show your ignorance Geoff ! Ron was probably born here so it is his country too and will probably still be paying tax on his pension investments etc. I think that entitles him to a say. - Urban Legend, Edinburgh, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 9:10 +++++++++++++++++++++ you seem to know a lot about him. How do you know he was "probably" born here and still paying UK taxes. I'm sick of these ex pats telling us what to do and how to it without having the courage of their convictions by coming back and actually standing up and be counted if they see something wrong with the running of this country. I wonder if he is as brave in his political outspokenness where he lives now ! He would soon be shipped back here if he was. PS I vote UKIP !
Factories and warehouses in the UK are now more akin to a Gulag.
Unfortunately thanks to shake ups in education and free university and a lenient benefits system we have a generation that expect either a management role on big money or free cash on benefits - - Andy, Chelmsford, 11/4/2013 9:04 Andy, please don't tar an entire generation with the same brush, please. After getting my degree in English, I applied for every single job I was remotely qualified for in Greater Manchester (cleaner, waitress, barista, all sorts) to avoid living off benefits. (Although, having paid into the system for years, I would have definitely taken something back, had it come to that.) I didn't care what job I had, as long as I had one.
In other similar countries such as France, Germany, the Scandinavian countries, people still have decent well-paid jobs, the sort that have gone and are still going in the UK as international no-care business tramples on rights and lives for more profit, backed by an uncaring Conservative regime. This is NOT the fault of British people.
Do you think UKIP will make things better??YOU still believe that pigs fly?NO ONE will make things better,it's all politics END OF STORY.
That's because in other European countries they put their own people first. Ours go to the back of the queue. Quite disgraceful
when british people sold the big issue a few years ago it was to help them because they were homless and jobless , now all the people who sell the big issue are from eastern europe. they are classed as self employed and can claim loads of benifits for themselves and their large families .dont knock the british
For the record I am British and took a job for three years at minimum wage. The only reason I could afford to live was because I walked the 1.7 miles to the job and back again, saving the bus fare. No national insurance paid at that level of pay but I persevered with it. Do not call all British people lazy.
I have worked alongside Polish people whilst cleaning. They are no different in their working practices than British people. Not harder working or less. The only difference is they speak to each other in Polish.
Britain is a paradise for those who won't not can't pay a living wage, full stop. Some in business are every bit scrounges as those on the dole, they get the tax payer to pay their wage bill by deliberately paying a disgusting wage that no one in full time employment could possibly live on. And there lies the problem, it isn't benefits that are to high it's wages that are far to low.
The Germans, The Dutch, The Spanish DO lean favourably towards their own when it comes to employing people and little is ever said about it. However you can bet your sweet life that if Britain started doing that then THE INTERFERING EU WOULD SOON BE JUMPING ON OUR BACKS SHOUTING DISCRIMINATION.
mike brit ex pat i worked 45 years solid till my firm went bust my age prevented me finding same job as i had done all my life i was a skilled engineer i was forced to take cleaning jobs an finally worked in afoundry at min wage till heart attack im now on pension credit do you think some1 who as paid into the system for many years should be taken off the benifits i now receive you cant atr evry one with same brush!!!
mike brit ex pat i worked 45 years solid till my firm went bust my age prevented me finding same job as i had done all my life i was a skilled engineer i was forced to take cleaning jobs an finally worked in afoundry at min wage till heart attack im now on pension credit do you think some1 who as paid into the system for many years should be taken off the benifits i now receive you cant atr evry one with same brush!!!
mike brit ex pat i worked 45 years solid till my firm went bust my age prevented me finding same job as i had done all my life i was a skilled engineer i was forced to take cleaning jobs an finally worked in afoundry at min wage till heart attack im now on pension credit do you think some1 who as paid into the system for many years should be taken off the benifits i now receive you cant atr evry one with same brush!!!
Of course!!!they would work for pounds an hour
mike brit ex pat i worked 45 years solid till my firm went bust my age prevented me finding same job as i had done all my life i was a skilled engineer i was forced to take cleaning jobs an finally worked in afoundry at min wage till heart attack im now on pension credit do you think some1 who as paid into the system for many years should be taken off the benifits i now receive you cant atr evry one with same brush!!!
Only UKIP will take on this problem, you have solution in your own hands voting sheep. - nanuk of the north, Morpeth England, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 7:58 I READ THIS TYPE OF COMMENT REGULARLY IN THESE COLUMNS. BUT CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF UKIP IS NOTHING MORE THAN 1 MAN (NIGEL FARAGE) & 1 POLICY????? FALSE HOPE FOR BRITISH PEOPLE?
UKIP -Give us the vote ,lets reclaim our country. - ron, krung tep, Thailand, 11/4/2013 7:40 Oh the irony.................. I presume you live in Thailand??? Where's your sense of loyalty then?? What if the Thai had the same attitude to all our old codgers who prey on their young female population??? Idiot!!
In all honesty, a lot of people are not employable. They have no discipline, scruffy appearance, no qualifications from school, poor timekeeping, cannot spend one minute without texting, and have no basic manners. If I ran a business, I would want someone with enough social skills not to embarrass my company image.
Mainly because our lot are lazy and don't want to work !- Mjcuk4, Cleveleys, 11/4/2013 7:53.....I totally agree if you are referring to MP's and bankers. They get paid for doing nothing.
WHAT A SURPISE!
For all those "put low wage higher" - yeah, it should be done as a minimum £20 an hour. I wonder how many months till UK would hit Greece and Cyprus level. Some people commenting here just can't be more dumber.
Child benefits and tax credits claimed in this country are worth much more in their own countries as is UK min wage. The cost of living in eastern europe is much lower, so it makes sense for them to work for a couple of years, live in overcrowded conditions and send their money home where the pound goes much further, they don't mind doing this because it's not forever. Unlike UK citizens who will never be able to afford their own home and are trapped in low wage high rent poverty.
Another poll that will no doubt help accelerate our race to the bottom.
Because min wage can buy them a nice house back home that's why.
Then it is evident that there must be a large degree of deliberate DISCRIMINATION going on...........which is illegal.......................even when the victims are BRITISH..............
Stop paying benefits. Then people would have to find or make a job to earn enough to live on. The standard of living would drop then people would start living in the real world. Benefits are Blairs curse on Britain. Why should tax payers support the bone idle and the worlds trailer trash.
Try living on £6.19 an hour! Paying council tax, mortgage/rent, sky high utilities & they live thirty to a caravan, no wonder they can survive!!!!
Probably true judging by the clearly jobless yobs breaking shop windows in celebration of an old lady's death.
Because we are lazy!
I used to run a car wash owned by Poles the Poles have been replaced with Rumanians, I now use a car wash owned by a local who employs locals its more expensive but better I think!
It is too easy to do nothing in this country. Less benefits will persuadfe the workshy to get a job and contribute instead of taking.
I used to employ an Polish Girl, She was a great worker fitted in well with the other staff and worked hard, I think they moan less and work harder than Brits. It is more a shame what our work force have become that their own wont employ them
As usual the good old British Establishment game of cheap labour from abroad without the slightest concern for social cohesion.
@db , essex: "Lower the bills then we can take lower paid jobs."? But that would imply a central-controlled economy. You live in a capitalist society. For decades, your politicians have been telling us that we're fighting for capitalism and freedom, again
UKIP UKIP UKIP!!!!! That is all I have to say on the matter
@db , essex: "Lower the bills then we can take lower paid jobs."? But that would imply a central-controlled economy. You live in a capitalist society. For decades, your politicians have been telling us that we're fighting for capitalism and freedom, again
You have to know one thing. One day our company employed 16 Britons. They were paid 7.08 ph so not very low. And you know what? 12 of them did not come to work next day and never came back, 4 of them came but at the end of the day only one left. So don't say if you will be given job, you will work!!!
they will live 10 to a house,sleeping in shifts and work for minimum wages.they seem to live on red bull, beer and smuggled polish cigarettes.- enemde , corby, 11/4/2013 09:25 -------So basically you're saying they're willing to live to their limited means AND try to save money for back home? Show me one Briton that is willing to work for little, share their homes with strangers and give up their big TV, their cars, their booze. People here are spoiled rotten and do not realise the good times are over!
Explain that one, you lazy welfare scroungers.
Explain that one, you lazy welfare scroungers.
Hardly surprising.There have now been several generations of ' dumbing down ' the general quality of education in this country.Labour were behind it and originated it,the great inexplicable tragedy is that the Conservatives allowed it to continue when they were in office.When meeting and talking to younger people nowadays,including graduates,the lack of breadth of their knowledge and understanding is frightening.
Most of the jobs taken by east eurpoeans are low quality factory positions in the food producing sectors sourced through greedy emplyment agencies who themselves are on the same scale as parasitic estate agents and car/insurance salesmen etc. They are treated in most cases like slave labour and have to work long hours. Most Brits wouldn't register with emplyment agencies as they would end up earning less than their benefits. They are usually only taking jobs that Brits won't do because of the low pay and long hours.
Lazy Brits don't want to do low waged jobs. Main reason.
The cost of living for people from Eastern Europe in the UK is far less than for the indigenous population who most likely have an expensive mortgage or rent to pay and a family to support at UK cost of living levels, whereas they are probably earning 4 or 5 times what they would in their home country and are supporting their families at the lower cost of living of their home country as well.
If anything is making britain less "great" then its the medias fantasy world that so many fools believe in.
Let's not forget that government figures give £50 Million a year in Child Benefit is going out of the country, that is disgusting , needs to be resolved, that money would do a lot for Nurses , Servicemen and women and education.
i wonder if it is to do with the benefits culture in britain today, get paid more to stay at home, and produce babies conveyor fashion to boost the household income
Yes, the people that work in the pubs only get min wage. I find that horrible. Especially as they work their pants off. And there are lots of people from abroad working in the pubs too. Also as many people get benefits they don't need to work. Anyway, I am voting UKIP next time. I have had enough of this useless government who are just all mouth and no trousers.
My wife is trying to recruit FT Mon-Fri roles in an office. The quality of English applicants is appalling, forget the basics, of good spelling, grammar and able to get through an interview. This lot can't dress properly for an interview, turn up on time for training or even make it through an 8 hour day without doing something stupid. Nothing to do with foreigners, it's the poor quality of English applicants that's the problem.
British bosses love the low wages and lack of knowledge of working rights they get away with by using foreign workers, This has resulted in a lowering of employment rights for all, Bosses always loved a pool of unemployed workers outside the factory gates. I know people who have to work a system that gives them 30 minutes notice to get to a warehouse for unreliable contract work, Thirties employment conditions are making a welcome reappearance. For the employers , that is!
Why do we kid ourselves in believing we have a border agency.
Funny how i remember our vegetables got picked before the influx of cheaper Labour,Also remeber the British travelling 6ooo miles to win a WAR without Eastern European help
Lower the bills then we can take lower paid jobs.
Once again my previous comment was not posted - whats the matter DM scared to print the truth?
Lots of comments about how people from abroad will live on lower wages, with more people living together. This is how I started out. A low level job, sharing a room in a shared flat. I worked my way up from there. It would seem that the idea of doing this now, for many British people, is anathema. They would rather live on benefits. - minxstar, Inthecountry, 11/04/2013 07:58 Same here and for goodness sake, don't ask them to walk or take a bus to a place of employment. God forbid that they must commute! Whatever next? Packing up your own sandwich for lunch...shock horror.
UKIP,UKIP,UKIP all the way
This is so very true. I am in my early 50s been looking for work for 2 years. Before you jump on me I do not claim anything, My Husband supports me we rent privately and it's a struggle. We have been on the housing list for 2 years, but now the new localism act has come in we have been removed. I am really frightened and worried all the time. But I suppose when we retire they will pay our rent . In the mean time if my Landlord wants to sell their property we have to move on. Meaning we have to start again with big deposits for the letting agents whom rip you off. What's the point. I am sure it's because they need the properties for the new incoming people in 2014. Sometimes I got to bed at night I wish I would not wake up. All I want is a job and a place to call home.
Who cares! Get out of the cesspit of england and enjoy the gift of life.
Can't even hire people in this country to pick salad leaves! Some people will always be lazy, feckless and workshy.
Labour have done more harm to this country than what Maggie ever did. They will probably blame her for this mess too. We need to get out of Europe folks! UKIP
And do you think for one moment our inept bunch of spivs in power or the bosses of industry are bothered as cheap wages equals more profits for the already bloated - J B E, SN UK NOT THE EU, 11/04/2013 09:16 GOT IT IN ONE !!!!!!
The problem is in part the welfare system we have that does help people to work. There also another issue that needs to be addressed. I have a house in Spain and intend retiring in Spain one day. However, I have been told and found to be true that the Spanish will not employ a non Spaniard unless they really have to. That is irregardless of EU law. Its the same old story, the UK abides by the EU laws while the rest of the EU picks and chooses. Also in Spain (and I agree with this) If one does not speak Spanish one will not be employed. We should do the same. Glen .... Southampton.
Mainly because our lot are lazy and don't want to work ! - Mjcuk4 , Cleveleys, 11/4/2013 07:53 NO YOU IDIOT WE HAVE MASSIVE COSTS OF LIVING TO PAY UNLIKE YOU LOT WHO RENT A HOUSE WITH TWENTY OF YOU PAYING THE RENT BETWEEN YOU AND THEN SENDING ALL YOUR MONEY HOME THUS TAKING THE MONEY OUT OF THE SYSTEM THIS GOVERNMENT CHOOSES TO IGNORE THAT JUST TO GAIN VOTES NOW LISTEN!!! THIS COUNTRY IS FINNISHED!!!!!!!!!!- scaredtomentionit , bournemouth, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 08:43---------------------You have hit the nail right on the head and I can't believe that nobody else can see that. My aunt lives in Hereford and she said there is at least 6 houses in one road crammed with Poles who go fruit picking all day and congregate in Tesco during the evening to pick up bread for 5p a loaf and other food that's been reduced.
I won't employ them!
they will live 10 to a house,sleeping in shifts and work for minimum wages.they seem to live on red bull, beer and smuggled polish cigarettes.
thank you, previous generations. well done.
Only because this Government allows it
If British people had the chance to have a job, they would take it to help their families in the UK. But the jobs are already taken and the money is being spent overseas for other families outside the UK
And do you think for one moment our inept bunch of spivs in power or the bosses of industry are bothered as cheap wages equals more profits for the already bloated
I worked in a hotel and the new Head Housekeeper was Polish-shortly afterwards all the Room Attendants were Polish. In addition the Ops Manager was Portuguese and shortly after all the breakfast staff, bar staff and reception staff were replaced with Portuguese. And the the HR manager left and was succeeded by a Polish woman. Suffice to say working conditions declined as the staff were bullied, abused and not told of their rights and over time the English people became the minority. . . . . .and this is just in one hotel. Of course being on a zero hours contract meant that if anyone complained, they're hours were immediately cut.
That may change once the Welfare Reforms have had chance to take hold?
Of course the Europeans have more jobs, because most of them get cash in hand. Not many Brits will take these jobs, if it's not cash in hand they get paid wages below the minimum wage. So they can have these none jobs.
Of course the Europeans have more jobs, because most of them get cash in hand. Not many Brits will take these jobs, if it's not cash in hand they get paid wages below the minimum wage. So they can have these none jobs.
This is not news. Anybody in the UK looking for work knows this is a fact.
its only 7% what what about the other 93%? dont tell me claiming benifits
UKIP -Give us the vote ,lets reclaim our country. - ron, krung tep, Thailand, 11/4/2013 7:40 ============= "your country" what has it got to do with you., you don't even live here ! - Geoff , Guildford, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 08:36****Don't show your ignorance Geoff ! Ron was probably born here so it is his country too and will probably still be paying tax on his pension investments etc. I think that entitles him to a say.
Why haven't you posted my comment? too close to the truth eh? or doesn't it toe the party line?
look up the committee of 300. one of the steps to a new world order is to destroy national identity.
UKIP UKIP
rubish utter rubish. our country is full, our system is overloaded, we concrete over the land and we end up with floods because the water has no where to go
Obvious really - even the most menial job in Britain [topped up with benefits] is more than most of these people would earn in their home countries. Many are content to live in a box in order to make money to send home.
hi,STOP GIVING ALL THE JOBS AWAY WHAT THE BRITISH SHOULD BE GETTING,CLOSE THE DOORS,SEAL THE BORDERS,WE ARE RULED BY MUPPETS,OUR YOUNG ARE GETTING SHAFTED BY THESE INSANE POLICIES,WHEN HAS ANY GOOD COME OUT OF GIVING AWAY WHAT LITTLE JOBS WE HAVE DONE,SOMEBODY PLEASE EXPLAIN
Our politicians hate their own people. When jobs advertised requires ability speak Polish what do you expect??
Lots of comments about how people from abroad will live on lower wages, with more people living together. This is how I started out. A low level job, sharing a room in a shared flat. I worked my way up from there. It would seem that the idea of doing this now, for many British people, is anathema. They would rather live on benefits.
my wife is a manager in the nhs about 18 months ago she took on 8 staff for new posts she was so fed up with 30 to 40 year olds all educated under a tory government who let her down so many times she made a decision to employ younger applicants if they were suitable it could not have worked out better in 7 of the 8 it was their first job everyone of them has been a success,attendance records excellent work ethic excellent standard of work excellent ,1 has already gone on to better things in the hospital,not one of them has let her down now here is a fact the government wont like everyone is english everyone was educated entirely under a labour government .But and this she never fails to tell me ,how many firms would take on youngsters when this government repeatdly refers to them as skivers,unemployable,lazy,uneducated,sleeping behind drawn curtains,need i go on
Methinks sweeping floors and cleaning cars in Tesco carparks would not pay the British Mortgage!!
Is this because many businesses can pay them less than the minimum wage and no holiday pay ?
I remember somtime ago hearing a politician saying British jobs for British workers , what he failed to say was unless it could be filled by anyone from the eu or anywere else, as long as they are prepaired to work for less. lets see all of our politicians take a pay cut, and lead by example. after all we are all in this together our' we not.
I remember somtime ago hearing a politician saying British jobs for British workers , what he failed to say was unless it could be filled by anyone from the eu or anywere else, as long as they are prepaired to work for less. lets see all of our politicians take a pay cut, and lead by example. after all we are all in this together our' we not.
UKIP are the ONLY party that have the will and backing of the people to put this once great country back on track, read the comments over the last few months and it shows people are losing patience with the established mainstream incumbents and incompetent ditherers.
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most british people want to work and work hard but there is such a bias against british workers eg london bus drivers were sourced in poland yes there is a pocket of people who are happy on benifits not just british ,but from other countries as well but british people are hard workers and are willing to do any job lets offer the jobs to british first instead of putting us down .
One of the reasons for this is unscrupulous employers who offer very poor wages and conditions. Having said that the work ethos amongst some brits is absolutely appalling but given what they can claim from the state in handouts, what do you expect.
Mainly because our lot are lazy and don't want to work ! - Mjcuk4 , Cleveleys, 11/4/2013 07:53 NO YOU IDIOT WE HAVE MASSIVE COSTS OF LIVING TO PAY UNLIKE YOU LOT WHO RENT A HOUSE WITH TWENTY OF YOU PAYING THE RENT BETWEEN YOU AND THEN SENDING ALL YOUR MONEY HOME THUS TAKING THE MONEY OUT OF THE SYSTEM THIS GOVERNMENT CHOOSES TO IGNORE THAT JUST TO GAIN VOTES NOW LISTEN!!! THIS COUNTRY IS FINNISHED!!!!!!!!!!
...continued, anyway because we had been on JSA for more than 6 months both our claims moved over to Income based rather than contributions based. Which meant our claim was joint. So the £780.00 we got (£400 JSA was joint). The £380 we got from housing benefit was going to be stopped as my partner had work even though it was part time and as he was working even though it was part time he was expected to pay my rent as he is my partner. So his job was around £5.25 an hour and he was going to be given about 20 hours a week, which means no extra help from JSA or housing benefit. So even though he had managed to get a part time job our new financial situation was £200 a month for my JSA, NO housing benefit entitlement and £5.25 x 20 hours a week for my partner at tesco and NO JSA. That comes to £620.00 a month, which made us worse off by £160.00 so we could barely survive that left us with £25 each a week for food and toiletries. Unfortunately due to these circumstances he had to leave...
They are prepared to live three and four in a single grotty bedsit though.
Just proves that the British are too lazy to work.
A warped report. In construction prices where dropped in readiness for the influx of cheap labour, if you didn't like it, leave. Firms started up with low prices in readiness.They are only doing the lowest paid jobs because the bosses have dropped the prices. Local job centres stopped letting locals search for construction jobs a couple of years ago to make room for them. That seems to be coming to an end now but the clients are still expecting a cheap job because they reckon we've a load of cheap labour wandering about. The rush is on now to train a load of apprentices before we run out of skilled workers, the one's sent off into call centres etc by the job centre can't be tempted back. And as soon as Johny and his chums have finished their new roofs and windows at home, sank a few more wells and installed solar panels, they are off home permanently . Apparently it's far too expensive to live here.
UKIP -Give us the vote ,lets reclaim our country. - ron, krung tep, Thailand, 11/4/2013 7:40 ============= "your country" what has it got to do with you., you don't even live here !
so ukip were right all along. !!
We need to force English scroungers into work. These British scroungers are NOT too good to clean or do shop work. They must be forced to work. There are jobs out there but they just don't want to do them.
It's unfortunate to say but Britons are lazy. I run a business where start times are sometime 4-5am. Try getting a Briton to wake up early, you can forget it. They do t want to know, rather stay in bed and claim benefits. I now employ from other countries, staff are much more flexible and times are never an issue.
- johninkermen , Lincoln, United Kingdom, 11/4/2013 07:44 If you are right I have to agree as you seem to be a prime example!!
The most worrying thing about this is the fact the British government is so complacent about it all. Doesn't anybody in power care about this situation?
Most countries dont have the Equality Act which promotes the hiring of minorities over English males!
You Can Put All Ths Right, Simply By Voting UKIP, The LibLabCon, Only Represent the EU Menace !
Its all down to the lefts divide and conquer philosophy which they started when in power, their main aim to destroy the British and all we stand for as it is a view abhorrent to them.
Hardly a surprise, they are all too busy rioting and dancing on graves to do an honest days work....
The benefits are to good,so why work.
Ours youngsters are too busy rioting because they can't find jobs
"NORFACE receives core funding under the European Union¿s ERA-NET scheme (since 2004)." Say no more!
I passed a Polish Shop recently and on the window it had the word VACANCY. When I looked at the job being offered it was all in Polish.
I wish you'd make up your minds. Are they hard-working job-stealers or lazy scroungers? Tell me what to think and I will think it.
Wouldn't have anything to do with the lucrative benefit system Labour set up to ensure a voting pool would it?.
Unfortunately thanks to shake ups in education and free university and a lenient benefits system we have a generation that expect either a management role on big money or free cash on benefits. Young people are 'too good' for the low paid roles as it'll hurt their image (chavs). At least uni fees will stop the no-hopers getting a degree in something worthless (fasion etc) and we''ll get a tiered workforce again. Just need to force jobs on the terminal benefit takers...
Only UKIP will take on this problem, you have solution in your own hands voting sheep.
"English is the language of the world" and with this kind of boast there is always a price to pay.
Thank you BLAIR
Mainly because our lot are lazy and don't want to work !
vote ukip
Look at the UN tables of countries by education levels. The reason is obvious. The last government greately dumbed down education, burying teachers with statistics, equal right (no student may come top) MY question is WHY? Could it be, that by bringing in higher educated workforce with a natural left leaning, coupled with a lowly educated UK population with a left leaning, they would ensure their own jobs?
UKIP -Give us the vote ,lets reclaim our country.
Ouch.
Whew. Very bad disinformation. Ours is the only country advertising thousands of jobs in other countries while not offering them to Britiosh nationals. The conclusions are simple, direct, and clear. The British establishment is the primary enemy of British people. By the way, the same report that informed of BritGov treachery against our people also notes that France offers vacancies to its own citizens and does not offer all vacancies to foreign labour. As a representative Government should. Be nice to finally get to the last verse of the "Masque of Anarchy".
Are you surprised Labour made it better for many to live on benifits.
OK, I am a Romanian who has been living and working in the UK for ten years, paying taxes and trying to live as any other decent British citizen. I am as angry as you, the Brits are at hearing this. Firstly because these 'so-called' Romanians are building a wrong image about my country and its people. Secondly, because I know that they are abusing the laws of this country and taking advantage of the taxes I have been paying and working hard for over the last ten years. I love the British spirit of always helping the underprivileged and I learned a lot from it but I don't like when it is abused by some people who just don't want to work for their living. They have been doing the same thing for years- even during the communist era.. organizing gangs & sent their children to beg on trains from one city to another. After 89 they moved from one country to another to just abuse the benefit system. First, Germany, then France, Italy, Spain and now UK. I wish British politicians would wake-up
This and previous governments love to apologise for things that have happened years ago, will tony Blair do the same now.
I have complained to the Big Issue. No reply so far but hopefully this will finish the magazine as it is now being sold under a completely different criteria. If you don't like what you have read, don't buy off a Romanian. Better still, don't buy it at all. This will enforce the Big Issue to rethink on its recruitment guidelines. As for the Romanians, this is just the tip of the iceberg and none should be receiving benefits at all. Remember who to vote for if you want this to end. It is going to get a lot, lot worse and soon there will be nothing left for our kids when they leave school to find work as it is not just the Big Issue that is being swallowed up. Remember this when you can't get treatment in hospitals, a place for your kid in the local schools, housing from the local council and a large family has just broken into your house claiming squatters rights and no help from the law. VERY VERY ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!! - Tony, Brecon, 22/01/2012 07:59 Very well said!!
Will someone please get us out of the EU. Then we can put up the barricades (assuming the border agency are capable of doing that of course). Then we can get this country back to something we can be proud of... if its not too late already
So as well as ripping the backside out of this country, these Romanians are now even depriving our homeless people a chance of making a few quid to survive!!.These people would pick your nose if you were'nt looking. Jesus Christ !!! how much longer are we going to have to put up with these parasites taking this country for a ride. As each day goes by i read more and more articles like this and get even more angrier, All three main Political parties have failed this country over recent years so now time for another party to have a stab at it, Come on UKIP, nows your chance!!, you can't do any worse!
Ok then!!! No one buy a big issue till this gets sorted....,
There not all Roma, the one near us is Eastern European, sit's outside waitrose most of the time, untill around 5pm, when he's often seen being picked up by a woman who drives a nearly new car. So someone's doing allright. He never gets a sale out of me and it annoys me when I see other people buying from him
another thing is has anyone else noticed that they appear to be either very good or awful at playing the accordion?..there are loads up this way.
It's the same situation where I live, I've seen the same guy on the same corner every Saturday morning for the last three years, now it looks like his wife and son have joined him too........I don't mind helping out genuine homeless people......but this is ridiculous !
We used to have a really lovely man in bedford, who sold the Big Issue, his name was Devon. He was always polite, never pushy, nicely spoken, a nice chap to pass the time of day with. He even got to know my son, from a baby to to a little boy, & we used to give him a little christmas present. Well, overnight, he disappeared, to be replaced by a Romanian chap, who sometimes actually follows you down the street, and if you dont have the right money, he actually keeps the change instead of offering it back to you! So, i no longer buy.
We need stronger laws and a government for the British people. What country would let thiese beggars come and give them everything for nothing.
The government should either stop their benefits, as they are self employed and working OR stop them working and send them back to their own country for support and benefits. We should now start thinking that we support British people only and not foreign people milking the system. I do not earn what these people get in benefits. I am the one working 11 hours a day just so I can enjoy my overdraft and loan repayments along with school fees and child-care costs. Not forgetting the mortgage repayments due to me being an honest person.
And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?
I would have thought the answer is obvious. Don't buy the damned thing if you don't agree with whoever is selling it!
Send them back to their own country!!!
Just don't buy from them! It is just another abuse in rip-off Britain!
I don't buy it anymore. The big issue now seems to be a 'big earner' for Eastern Europeans.
Labour, the legacy that just keeps on giving.
This con has been obvious for years and gullible people keep buying from them. It's not just our politicians that are stupid, the British public are just as bad for encouraging this scam. Can people not see that it is not homeless, or "down on their luck" British people that are selling the Big Issue?
Nobody is surprised anymore ! We just take it and VOTE all those responsible to come back and carry on doing more of the same !
They don't pay national insurance cos they get a low earnings exemption certificate. Please stop blaming Cameron, Labour created this mess and David can't do much to stop it except pull us out of the EU.
I am sick to death of this. Makes me depressed.
This is why i will not but the big issue anymore, the big issue is we have plenty of our own british homeless people to try and help without having this lot turning up and taking the charity donations away from them........let their own countries support them, if we sent our homeless on a few planes over to Romania, do we believe for one minute that their government would provide benefits?
Shame on UK governament... I live in Latvia but I never claim any benefits and disturb local people life.. I love English culture - silence, old cottages, brittish accent and english tea
I called the Big Issue about this a few years ago as there was a Romanian Roma in Wanstead selling the magazine quite forcefully. I inquired about why this was and that I thought it was for homeless people. They replied that anyone from within the EU can sell it and there's nothing they can do about it. I questioned whether that applied to Romanians but they were not interested. The same woman is still there, and since, ALL of the Big Issue sellers are Roma. I always bought it to help our homeless. I have never bought one since.
It's organised crime and should be stopped immediately. They have been in Ilford for years. I won't buy one now for the very reason that it's not being sold by those who it was intended to benefit. Those who allow these people to sell them should be ashamed of themeselves.
If they are self employed have they registered with HMRC (Inland Revenue) as other self employed people have to?
WHAT A MESS THEY HAVE MADE OF "MY"COUNTRY...
Don't buy it .Simples
Never saw a Big Issue seller in Belfast until the Romanian and Eastern European minorities arrived. Now they're on every street in the center and not one has lived here over 10 years.
Shocking news...... ...... Sadly not!
The Big Issue have shot themselves in the foot with this, many people will now refuse to buy. Happy to help the genuine homeless better themselves but unwilling to fund a lifestyle of foreigners that many of us can only dream of.
Throw them back to where they came from. The sad thing is thing is this Country has long been a made a laughing stock, but its just not funny. My Grandparents would turn in their graves if they counld see the state of this Country.
I will never buy a Big Issue again
To the British Govt "You are sowing the wind ,soon you will reap the whirlwind"
There used to be a seller in the small town where I live who had come frm Romania. She lived in Slough, but travelled 60 miles to get here on market day 'by bus'. There's no bus service between here and Slough, and it wasn't long after that that the DM published the first article about the houses being built in Romania on the back of The Big Issue. Now I always talk to the sellers, and if English is obviously not their mother tongue, I don't buy.
Simple solution here, don't buy it any more until they put their house in order.
When is this absurdity going to end? There are British men, women & children living in poverty & yet we still allow this to happen. I am sick of it it, sick of trying desperately to make ends meet & sick of reading stories like this. It makes me want to scream at them "how dare you" & to the British justice (joke) system. But what can we do? Nothing? We just have to put up & shut up. They shouldn't be allowed here if they can't support themselves? this country is a doormat for Europe!
Lets get this straight!The UK is the sixth richest country in the world!Why should we not help out our poorer European neighbours?
The same scroungers who wait at traffic lights and intimidate people in to parting for cash for a windscreen wash and mock those who turn them down. They have no plave in a civilised country, so back to Romania with them.
I do not pay a fortune in tax each month to keep those from other countries who are not able to use their initiative in their own land! I am furious that I am penalised through taxation to keep these people and the lazy class of Brits when most of them have more luxury than I can dream of. Please government get a grip of this spiralling situation, the starting point is pulling out of the EU so that our laws uphold British values and not those of others!
I remember a homeless guy in our local high street who would sit with his dog come rain or shine trying to sell the big issue. You could see he was known and respected by the locals, he was there for years. This homeless chap seems to have gone in the last year or two. My last encounter with a big issue vendor was when I was sitting in a queue of traffic with my baby daughter asleep in the back of the car and this man frightened the life out of me banging on my car window. Is this the image the BIG issue are trying to portray now? I wont be buying it
I do not buy it anymore.
I have complained to the Big Issue. No reply so far but hopefully this will finish the magazine as it is now being sold under a completely different criteria. If you don't like what you have read, don't buy off a Romanian. Better still, don't buy it at all. This will enforce the Big Issue to rethink on its recruitment guidelines. As for the Romanians, this is just the tip of the iceberg and none should be receiving benefits at all. Remember who to vote for if you want this to end. It is going to get a lot, lot worse and soon there will be nothing left for our kids when they leave school to find work as it is not just the Big Issue that is being swallowed up. Remember this when you can't get treatment in hospitals, a place for your kid in the local schools, housing from the local council and a large family has just broken into your house claiming squatters rights and no help from the law. VERY VERY ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!
Go and be homeless in your own country. Scrounges all of 'em.
The answer is to only buy the Big Issue off of the British sellers. Shouldn't there be some kind of control over who can buy them from the depot in the first place ? Why are we still handing over thousands of pounds over to cheats when some needy British families are still living in appalling conditions.
Yet another example of how our government is giving taxpayers money away to people who are playing the system. They had the finances to get here so they must have had a job back in Romania. Yet another example of the spread of the information worldwide that Great Britain is a great place for spongers and criminals. Roll up roll up!!!
Lets see if I've got this correct.. even the British Homeless people are too lazy to get a job selling The Big Issue and so leave the opportunities to Romanians?
Only in Britain......................
STOP buying the "Big Issue". Simple!
Send them all home unless they can support themselves no benefits.
Sickening what we have allowed to go on in our country. Stop giving to the Big Issue then hopefully they will go home. How are these people able to claim these sorts of extortionate benefits - it is making a mockery of all of us taxpayers who have worked all our lives paying into the system only to be left on the scrap heap at retirement. No doubt they will all go home to their big houses when that time comes having milked us dry. This has to stop us Brits are being abused.
I hope the PM reads the DM - I am sick to death of walking past Romanian mothers with young children sat on their laps begging - they are parasites milking our goodwill and probably the benefits system as well. How about we charge their Governments the difference between what they would pay them in benefits and what we give them. I don't think it would be too long before their Governments stopped them from travelling - a bill for a couple of billion should do it.
I bet Big Issue sales have dropped massively since this story broke last week, personally I refuse to ever buy another copy
Dont buy it off them, they will make no money & maybe go home , then they cant claim genuine self employment, therefore should not be entitled to housing benefits! Blame labour everyone, this is what they saddled the british tax payer with, how mr blair sleeps at night god only knows after he destroyed this country
I was back in my local town in the UK at Xmas, there's one there too
The easy asnwer is to stop buying from them, perhaps then they will go back from whence they came. These people and other migrants need to get the message that they are not wanted in the UK
Blame yourselves! Sorry but most EU countries had laws against "new" EU countries flooding their markets and CERTAINLY a requirement in Germany, The Netherlands, Italy and I am sure most EU countries is that you have 3 months to find work or show proof of ability to support yourself, including private health insurance, or you cannot stay and benefits are received only when you have worked and have been made redundant or let go by no fault of your own, or have worked enough years into the "system" that you are a permanent resident and thus entitled to all benefits as if you were a citizen. Stop moaning, the British are so good at whining over their BIG ISSUES (pun intended) yet so bad at dealing with them.
What an absolute joke! I spat out my tea when I read the amount she gets a year! hardly encouraging for the BTP! I work full time and still earn less than half what she gets! LAZY GOOD FOR NOTHING OUT OF TOUCH GOVERNMENT!! who is really in charge here?....and as for the claiming BABY FACTORIES............
These People are all over Newcastle City Centre, selling Big Issues, it's not just in the South of the Country.
Let me get this right, they have the money to come here but they have no where to stay and no job, so we give them a place, benefits and a job to earn extra money. WOW If i could, i would send all 650 MPs to Romanian and see they get the same deal if not, SPEND THEM HOME NOW!!! - hussain yafai, birmingham, 22/1/2012 0:07 These Romanians are a drop in the ocean compared to what your lot have been getting up to for years in this country Mr Yafai.
I therefore take it, as they are self employed, they complete a tax return and pay NI and income tax..?
Some can't even speak English, amazing they know how to fill in the forms to get their Benefits or do they get help with that also. Who are the Muppets Here. We as a Country usually follow the letter of the EU to the book so why do we give out benefits quite willingly to People who have not contributed in any way, why don't we do as other Countries do like Spain, France, Germany etc. When are our Elected Politicians going to start looking after our own People first.
In Norway we have a similar magazine sold on the streets by people who struggle with drugs etc, but the publishers have decided that Romas from Eastern Europe should not be allowed to sell the magazine. Maybe the UK should make the same decision?
Most of the Scottish big issue sellers in Glasgow have been forced out by Romanian gangsters who then put these women on their pitches. I never buy a big issue from a Romanian.
Just don't buy it. There are other charities out there supporting the genuine homeless.
I used to buy the dutch version, it was only the dutch homeless at that time selling the paper.Now its all eastern europeans like many people here in the netherlands l dont buy it any more, its the same as these so called harmonica players every time you go to the supermarket they are there.
Gordon Brown should offer to put them up at his house, if he runs out of room everyone at BBC radio 4 will take up the slack.
i am an hgv driver working 70/75 hrs a week and i dont earn what these people get in benefits .out of my earnings i have to pay a mortgage poll tax .oh and income tax plus nat insurance .i dont see my family all week as i have to live in my truck .i run a 55 plate car and my wife works p/time .I HAVE LIVED HERE FROM BIRTH now tell me.....who is better off and has more rights .....i think i come a VERY DISTANT SECOND ..the way this country is going it is going to cause MAJOR RACIAL ISSUES .and the government will wonder why ?.Dont get me wrong ...i am NOT racial in any way ....but i DO believe in looking after your own first and if those on the dole dont work STOP paying them benefits .........RANT OVER .....Thank you !!
Mr Cameron ............. we are getting sick and tired to listening to reports like this. Why don't we get this information on our television news stations instead of what overseas countries are doing. ..... You have assumed that our comments on issues like this are race-related. YOU ARE WRONG!!!! The word you are looking for begins with an 'r' but the word is RESENTMENT!!!!! We are sick and tired of working to pay taxes to fund the never ending stream of scroungers you are allowing into our country ....while we are unable to access some of the services we have paid into FOR NEARLY HALF A CENTURY!!!! Get your mind round ity and DO SOME DAMNED THING ABOUT IT . before we all lose our patience!
Used to always buy a copy from the local lad in Lancaster, chat etc. He was always there. Here in Carlisle have interchangeable middle-europeans using mobile phones! Am not buying into that!
You forgot Lincoln we have one too! It's organised fraud.
How on earth is she buying the big issue with HER money when she's on benefits? She's buying them with OUR money not hers. Time has long past for getting tough - but still we wait.
I have noticed here in South Manchester the British vendors have been replaced by Romanians This group have been selling the big issue for more than five years I don't know of any other Country that would allow people to stay who cannot support themselves financially The EU has got a lot to answer for as indeed the UK spineless Government
Such a betrayal. Another great product idea falls into disrepute. I will not be buying that again
Food for thought - DONT BUY ONE!!
Atleast they are doing something to get paid not just sitting around on their asses like the British homeless people holding signs.
In Ireland you need to prove "habitual residency" so prove you have a connection with Ireland. This catches many people coming back from Australia. Workers need two years of records and employment before claiming. You don't just show up and claim. Can I say soft touch Britain?
Dont buy it . This article has convinced me that a damn good idea has been totally wrecked by political correctness, and imigrant preference.Time to close the borders and get out of the EU.
Classed as self-employed!! Hope they are paying their class 2 national insurance then!! And preparing a tax return each year.
Its not just the main cities, It's happened in most of the smail country towns in East Anglia and I suspect its the same in other regions. There certainly seems to have been an element of 'turf wars' with the traditional homeless for whom the Big Issue was originally targetted losing out. The Big Issue organisation has lost its way and I don't believe they are as unhappy about the situation as they claim to be.
The answer is quite simple a REFERENDUM and then lets get Great Britain back.
Scrap the calender make every day April 1st.
Send them home now before this becomes their home and they are burden to state for life.
Same in towns around Lincolnshire - Romanians in Boston, Sleaford, Lincoln.Newark
The stupidity of our lilly livered, politically correct, cowardly politicians is absolutely astounding. To say that they didn't know this was happening just shows the prevaricating, disingenuous and ignoble nature of the men we have leading our once great country. The whole world must be looking at Britain and laughing at at the comedy of the stupidity of it all. I don't think we can say "we're British and proud anymore".
So that's where they have gone, they were here in Portugal not that long ago selling the equivalent paper that was supposed to help the homeless, then it seemed almost one day to the next they were gone.
Cameron has pledged to put a stop to it.It's ALL Labours Fault ,nearly 2 years and the Tories have no idea whats going on.
Used to always buy a copy from the local lad in Lancaster, chat etc. He was always there. Here in Carlisle have interchangeable middle-europeans using mobile phones! Am not buying into that!
Do not buy them.
These people are in a no lose situation .Even if people wont buy the mag from them.An hour or two on the streets ensures them the right to claim all the benefits And as past experience shows, this is probably organised by criminal gangs
we have one in Watford.Gold capped fillings in her teeth. She's been there for years.
No surprise - the British are being replaced all across the country in every walk of life.
Don't get me wrong, I still love the UK! but im glad I had the opportunity to emigrate to Australia
England England........bye bye
I shall not be buying the Big Issue from these people.
how long before a labour MP tells us how much they are benefiting this country?
The Big Issue seller in Halesworth, a small market town in Suffolk, is Romanian. No doubt decided it was better than standing aboiut in fields picking cabbages. The real Big Issue is how the hell was all this allowed to happen in the first place?
What has become of our once great country? Unbelievable!!
It would pay them to get copies of the Big Issue then just bin them to be entitled to benefits. Does anyone check that claimants file tax returns before they are handed out subsidies and benefits?
the big issue has become the problem , once a romainian gets a job selling them they can get a national insurance number which then then use to claim all the benifits for their families , wouldnt matter if we stopped buying them ,its not why they sell them the money is only a second income
What has become of our once great country/? Unbelievable
The answer is simple DON'T BUY THE BIG ISSUE. from foreign sellers.
Shocking DM! *not*
Think I should dress up as a Romanian as I could not get a quarter of the benefits they are getting. Even with my father having fought in the war for this country and being born and brought up here and working and paying my taxes and contributing to the economy all my working life. Now I have been told I do not qualify for my pension until another two years!!! ~Something so wrong - I thought Conservative were going to stop all these soft handouts? They should leave the DLA benefits alone and concentrate on these huge tranches of money being paid out every week to people who have contributed a penny to our society. So sick of this country lately. Charity begins at home, when are the 'everyday people' going to get a chance to say what should happen and what they want?
No surprise to me, I work for DWP pension benefits and you would not believe the amount of pension age people who come to UK who apparently cannot speak English, need an interpreter, NI number, get instant housing and benefits
Funny when my parents came here they worked... wish they did what these scummy people are doing we would prob. be driving around in ferrari's
Well, me thinks the folks who run the Big Issue have some questions to answer because there is NO WAY they were unaware that this was going on. When these crooks openly rock up in their BMWs to purchase large supplies of the magazine they are clearly not even trying to hide what they are up to, and those who run BIg Issue are obviously just turning a blind eye because they are raking it in as well. We the public are a bunch or right mugs. The police should be investigating this.
Let them all come and claim benefits, the whole Romania, Greece, Portugal....we have lots of money and can print even more!
Thank you labour for allowing these immigrants in to britain ,you knew it they are the one will vote for labour . The government should change the law no benefits ,only if you contributed into the system .
................ why not add your thoughts ............ i did but no show !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ......... ????????
I hope the public reads this and votes with their wallets and stop buying The Big Issue from these Romanians that don't need the money. I will make sure I only ever buy it from someone who looks genuinely homeless.
there has been a noticeable change in the appearance of the typical Big Issue seller?...THERE HAS BEEN A NOTICEABLE CHANGE IN THE UK!!!!!!
i do not agree that our people should pay for immigrants I worked in China for many years and now Thailand and there is no way i or any other foreigner can get benefits The only reason all these people flock to our country is because they can get free handouts tell them its ok to come to the UK but they will never be given free money they must all work or leave
Wonder how many of them have homes back in their country and have spent thousands to get to the Uk so that they can get the benifits to send home, Why doesn't the DSS query where all there money has gone to, I had to give a detailed account where savings had gone and still did not get any help, I think these people think that the benifisystem is for them alone, I feel sorry for the tax payer working their butt of to keep them
Thankyou DM, I will never buy another one..............and I hope the idea catches on nationally. Just ignore any Big Issue seller, the magazine has lost its way and its publishers don't give a toss as long as they get their money.
State appointed beggars. Bet they cant believe their luck to get a flat and basic wage courtesy of the UK taxpayers to continue their traditional lifestyle. When will our gutless MPs start doing the job we pay them for and represent our wishes and interests. A first step is to send them home and ignore the EU parasites who were never elected and get paid to insult our democracy. UKIP is looking like the only option for the next election.
Take care your owe people first. Befor look after others.
I had wondered how Glasgow and the West of Scotland had solved its homelessness problem. I had enjoyed the patter from the guys at the Big Issue and sometimes bought more than one through the week, it was a good read. I have not bought one as I can't find any Scottish homeless person. Congratulations Scotland.
After reading tbe previous article On the romanian woman, i actually started to notice the person selling big issue in my tiny local 'city' bangor, (wales) was a romanian woman too!!! Last time I went it was the usual locals who stayed in the homeless shelter it's a shame they are missing out because of her, i found one usual local seller in a part of the high street nobody really goes and made a point of buying one from him. I hope People start boycotting these romanian sellers and chose a genuinely needy seller to help out.
They know how to work the system, and you are allowing them to. When will England wake up ?
Good for them. Who's fault is this?
I never give them a penny piece, SADLY our boy politicians give them thousands.
DM - Making sweeping statements really doesn't help the legitimate Big Issue sellers who happen to be Romanian!
No one was available to comment on the Big Issue in the North,WHY,surely they can justify their actions,instead of hiding under a stone.
Just like in france, we help them and they want more and more, now you can't walk on the street without the fears to be attacked, muged by those people, they never change because it's their lifestyle, they learn that at a very young age so it's hopeless.. that's umbelievable and I'm sorry to say that but we can't help them anymore, enough is enough!
Start a Visa system for all EU citizen please!!
This is disgusting, Can I immigrate to another country and get all these benefits?? NO! then why the hell does it happen to our country?! cause we are mugs, that's why...
How can this one woman get £25.000 .. a year in benefits .!!!!!!!!!!!!! shes never paid in to the system ... av just lost my job after 23 years . no fault of my own .......... and received a letter from the benefits office informing me that they are PLEASED to tell me that i am entitled to £ 37.58 a week .... please DM name this spokeswoman who said ...... OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS THE NATURE OF HOMELESSNESS HAS CHANED.. THERE ARE FAR FEWER ROUGH SLEEPERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.. she needs to get out more .......... Rrrr well am off out to sell the Big Issue ..................
if my old nan could see this country now ,she would turn in her grave.
Theres been the same Romanian girl outside Budgens in Whitstable for years. I always thought it was sad she was still homeless....yes, I'm a fool.
I am pleased to read that John Bird realizes that his is a Bg Issue for the Big Issue's ideals and objectives. Iain Duncan Smith, Secretary of State for Work and Pensions must get this ridiculous ruling by the senior London Tribunal reversed. In Firuta Vaille's case how can she be a full time carer for one of her children and self employed Big Issue re-seller at the same time. IDS and the government must show who runs this country, the British people's elected government or Roma organized racketeers. That is the REAL Big Issue in this country plain and simple.
And who's to blame for this? You say the politicians, no, the blame lies entirely with you, the public for buying it. If nobody bought it they'd soon disappear off the streets (and no doubt be on all the benefits they can get, and we can't)
Ok i'm not clever or smart like but I can see over 2 million out of work so why do we have so many economic migrants still in Britain ? A job for the homeless is now done by migration and seriously if the homeless are been pushed out work by migrants, what chance do our school leavers have ? Broken Britain in all its glory with idiots running our country into the sewers. Forget political parties I refuse to vote for any of the arrogant , greedy , slimey , two faced idiots. We should all vote for independant's and show the spineless parties we won't take it anymore. Labour , Liberal democrats and Conservative !! They are all the same who say one thing to get a vote and do the opposite once they get it.
i emailed my MP about this and did you think he replied.......they are not interested
Great. So they come here, sponge off the British tax payer and continue to beg on our streets. Well I used to buy the big issue. Not any more !!
Jeez. You couldn't make this up. Great Britain.
I always give 50p to the Big Issue seller of my choice and don't either have time to read or wish to take his book as he can sell those to others. If my favourite man is not there I engage in conversation with others to ensure they are British before I hand over any money. It would be easy to just walk on by now but I made this millennium promise to myself 12 years ago. I feel Big Issue are letting the genuine, needy sellers down.
I would abolish the big issue. Even before overseas gangs had understood it was a money-spinner, our own sellers were making careers out of it. Sell 10 copies an hour, that's £12.50 an hour tax free, plus your benefits. A 6 hour day, 5 day week you can have £375 a week plus benefits. I would guess many sell more than that.
Same thing in Scotland, Busking, begging etc.etc. time for a full reassessment by all agencies.
There's one in Poole outside Waitrose and another in Broadstone by Tesco - so that's another two
The people selling the big issue have always been menacing, I have been cursed for not buying even before the Roma moved in, everyone just refuse to buy it and it will cease to exist , some countries should never been even considered for the EU, blame British government we are always keen to except anyone
I am disguised where emigrants are exploited by Britons for generations and now when you don't need them you just want them to go away. IT doesn't work like that. Stupid articles like this one will cause everyday people to do stupid violent actions which effectively will put them in jail. You can't solve unemployment by blaming the minorities to try harder to survive.
£28,100 a year , thats more than i make.
Sadly, we are a joke of a country.
I regularly gave several times per month to various sellers, but not any more. All the genuine sellers will rebel. Boycott the "Big Issue" until they sort out the problem.
I regularly gave several times per month to various sellers, but not any more. All the genuine sellers will rebel. Boycott the "Big Issue" until they sort out the problem.
i always buy the big issue as i thought it was to help the homeless, sorry i will not buy again, this is abuse of our country.
THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.Complain and ur classed as a rascist,if i speak polish etc i get a house all these benefits that go with it.BUT IF IM HOMELESS AND BRITISH I Get nothing
Whoever let this happen needs a slap in the chops with a wet mullet.
I live in Glasgow and I can verify this is true- I see it all the time. The big issue was set up to help our own people with problems, not anyone who comes into this country. So I will not buy the big issue (especially as I am unemployed and have to watch every penny) It is simply a con to claim benefits, after one year of 'working self employed' they and thier kids are able to live on the benefits system for life. The big issue needs to be held to account over this.
Eastern Europen gangs forcing the locals out of their own patches.... I've stopped buying the Big Issue now as it has derailed from its original purpose.... which was to support the homeless people of This country!
It will take two years to close this loophole that they can come and sponge. I dispare that the people who run this country live in ivory towers and dont see the injustice and abuse of the benefits system. Im likely to be made redundant in 3 months but....cant claim for 6 months, maybe I should do a whistle stop around europe and claim of each countries systems, bet it wont be as good as here, and when I get back it will be "sorry you arent entitled to benefits!" Maybe I should tan myself, say I dont speak english and get some papers from the bin, say Ive 10 children and then claim for these phantoms....My £60-70k tax paid over the past 20 years is a waste...the benefits system is as crooked as the justice system....
Same in Scotland
Wow, two days after the loophole opens a third of Big Issue sellers are Romanian and they've mostly been here years. Think of the money they could make if instead of selling the big issue they sold rides in their time machines.
This is just a scam to claim benefits. Were has the money came from to buy these large qty of mags. We all see them getting out of flash cars that most people working full time jobs could not affort to buy. I feel sorry for the homeless people who cannot purchase these mags now because they have all been bought up. I wiil not buy a big issue again untill this has been resolved.
Then make them or their gang masters pay tax like everyone else, or kick them out.. They take the bad with the good, not just the good only. All of Eastern Europe is simply sticking two fingers up at British tax payers and we do not have any politicians with the guts to do anything about it, in case it threatens their own sweetheart deals in the EU once they get kicked out of office here, probably. There is a very strong smell about the reluctance on the part of consistent British governments to 'rock the EU boat' just once on behalf of British tax payers, just as the French, Germans and other states paying in far less than the UK often do, and nothing whatsoever happens to them, so it is obvious our politicians are looking after their own arrangements in preference.
There is no longer a "Big Issue" since the courts have made Big Issue sellers able to claim housing benefit so they are no longer homeless. NOBODY should buy the BIG ISSUE anymore.
They should be in their own countries contributing to, and developing their own society; not scrounging on british streets and fleecing the british taxpayer. If the eu collapses, this will only be the tip of the iceburg. Shut the gates, and ditch the eu. Focus on the British Commonwealth and the growth regions of the world; make britain great again.
Unless you are a UK national then you should not be able to claim ANY benefits I don't know about the rest of the UK but in my city, Romanians stand with one copy of the Big Issue, jumping in front of every car at traffic lights and giving verbal abuse when the driver ignores them. I wonder what the local police would say if I stood with one copy of a magazine in the middle of a busy road at rush hour and hurled abuse at drivers. I don't think I would be staying very long
DO NOT BUY THE BIG ISSUE FROM FOREIGN SELLERS, simples. If it's a British person selling then buy but if not refuse to buy. As soon as the immigrants stop making money they will have to stop. Only the Government can stop them claiming benefit but we the people can stop buying these magazines from them.
i give to charity , but never them, there are a family of them here , every day on the main street, the granny daughter in her forties and grand daughter, outside every main shop, , they have been here foe years, so its a good earner,
surprised, anyone .....?
Sneaky sneaky people I don't buy the big issue because like it said it's to help the homeless! But the only people I see selling is migrants! This is what wrong with England why do we let other people claim our hard earned taxes why don't they put a regulation on it like say you have to live & work here pay taxes for 5 years before your accepted on the system to claim! Grinds my gears sort it out!!!!!!!
Just shows how low we've sunk as a nation: our jobless and homeless can't even be bothered to sell the Big Issue, they leave it to immigrants. Good luck to these people I say, at least they're trying to eke out a living. Unlike the feckless trash from the UK with their focus on celebrity and making a fast buck through instant fame a la X Factor, or more likely through selling drugs. Depressing reading.
send them home
theres 1 in bradford aswell
I've noticed this for about 2 years. One Romanian guy would hassle me every week outside the supermarket. I assumed he was destitute & fell for it .. until the day I saw him on his mobile phone. A few minutes later, he pushed ahead of me in the supermarket queue to buy cigarettes! We are FOOLS.
I am from Romania. Why I dont can romainan sell big Issue? they no have money they gypsy people. Every one in England have same rights and Romanian people too!
For all those complaining that is how society works these days and if you dare to complain you will be up on a " hate " charge before the beak in no time with a show trial and find yourself with a criminal record. Most English people don't really care these days ; they are an apathetic bunch.
I have never purchased a copy and never will. I feel intimidated when they spring up on you the same as these hit squads of charity people that try to get you to sign a monthly direct debit, in my opinion any type of cold calling whether in the street or knocking at your door should be made illegal.
Why do I feel I am being taken for a mug here again!!! That's the last one I buy.
We have one in our town and she is picked up by her husband in his BMW I refuse to give anything to her and she really pesters outside the local M&S store
It's not just the cities - these Roma are operating at the towns all along the Suffolk coast - in the past year we have been encountered by them in Lowestoft, Beccles, Halesworth and Ipswich. They can't speak much English it just seems to be Beeg Issue and a very in your face Pleeze! My other half was talking to the shop workers next to where one of these operates and they claim the seller is dropped off by in a big car. Everyone knows its a scam and I have stopped buying Big Issue. I have bought it for years as I have always supported its ethos. Frankly I am sick of us all being taken for a ride by these people. Apart from the Big Issue publishers who do we complain to?
What the hell is going on in this country??? We are being deluged with Eastern Europeans (amongst others) who are here purely for our benefits system!! Send them packing!!! We are in a recession and it's about time taxpayers money was given to Brutish people only ( for our elderly, hospitals, our needy etc) and not to the worlds scroungers!!!
LOVE IT! The Romanian 'Big Issue' sellers (on 'illegal' benefits) have taken the jobs from the homeless Brits! OH BOY. What's it going to be Dave: A "Referendum" or a "Bloody Revolution"?
Let me get this right, they have the money to come here but they have no where to stay and no job, so we give them a place, benefits and a job to earn extra money. WOW If i could, i would send all 650 MPs to Romanian and see they get the same deal if not, SPEND THEM HOME NOW!!!
Wow, what a surprise!!!! Who'd have thought it??
OK so you detect these criminals-then what? no deportation, human rights, own a cat?
Thats right...give our jobs to the immigrants. and leave the british to rot!!!! Grrrrrrr111
Might be a good idea to check that these people havent got criminals records before they come in to the Country in the first place.
What a bloody mess.
This (organised crime) must be one of those benefits of immigration that we are so frequently being told about. I KNEW it was good for the country. What a shambles.
This is uncanny. I have just finished writing a situation comedy for TV about an over enthusiastic Polish detective seconded to a sleepy rural police force 'Eastford Anglia Constabulary' complete with a bonkers crime commissioner and hapless police officers. Its working title is 'Operation Plodska'. The hero is called Detective Karol Plonka and he has a list of 12 criminals he wants to return to Poland. The first episode involves his hunt for a gang of luxury car thieves from his home town on the Belarus border. I've just started to circulate this to production companies. Life imitating art or what?
We should never have admitted foreign criminals to the UK in the first place. Those who commit crime here should be deported straight away!
The E.U planned this sort of thing to gain control of nation states at times of unrest, riots included!!
Good idea whoever came up with this.
I was getting optimistic till I read the operation will only last four days :/
At last the police Federation and authority have brought in there European counter parts.So LET THE GAMES BEGIN .POLICE 1 ,European cooks 0.
About time
This would not be necessary if we were able to demand a visa before entry.
UK need the help of more developed nations like Poland and Lithuania. I'm glad they are helping us (-:
What has happened to this once great country for ? I fear its all going to be downhill now !
This is ONLY happening because we have LOST Control of OUR BORDERS for being in the CORRUPT EU.
Yes I can certainly see our police teaching them a thing or two, they'll know how to hold a speed gun by the time they get home.
One more thing to thank blair brown balls mcnulty Harman and the rest of the idiots in the labour party for.
Wouldnt it be easier not to be a part of this wretched EU? It hasnt given us anything good we could not have done by ourselves.
No one with a criminal record should be allowed in Britain. Someone who can't speak English should be allowed in. Britain is really going to the dogs. It's lost it's morals. When I went to London had not seen one English flag, only seen 3 Union Jacks. We are a country that used to be proud to be British but look around what's to be proud of, people can't wear poppies anymore in memory of the people who fought to protect our country.
Hnmm
I am from Estonia, and I really think that it's disgusting. Living in UK for us is of course something different for us, but living in cave, being homeless?! It's shame! It is, because we already have a lot of homeless, and let them be in our country. What I'm trying to say that UK i very great country and discussing here about a homeless man from Estonia that aspires to be nice and decent. I have the same feeling when someones reputation falls and falls and falls. We don't want others to see our weak or bad sides. We want to mend them ourselves.
It doesn't matter where one go: if you go with the same mind, you will end up back the same way. What's the point of coming into the UK when doesn't know how to use the chance to self leverage: learn a trade, pay for a course,dress up decently and learn to respect each individual....it's not comet science is it?
Go home then, or get a job and contribute to society. Pretty simple really
I'm from Estonia(russian speaking)too! If you have will and desire you can find a job and live normal life.This guy made his choise as millions made their... I started from low paid job:labouring,worked long hours and almost no weekends.After 10 years being here(have different job ) I can afford lots of things I couldn't even dreamed about. People are just lazy,many enjoy living on other people expenses and taxes... If everyone would have a mentality like a Japanese people UK would be a better place..Just my 2p..Thank you for reading..
It is really sad to read another sad story of an Estonian whose dreams about a simple life in abroad has been collapsed. Even sadder for me, as an Estonian, is to read comments from Estonia on this matter. It is really meaningless to bring up our salary or pension level in Estonia in this context. I¿m almost sure that our embassy can arrange his return home. However, the problem is if he really wants? But does he?
mmetsas, 18:32 = Can you write that again in english because that was complete gibberish.
est, 1719 = Estonia is your problem it does not give you all the right to come here turning our country into a slum, stay put and sort your own problems out.
In the 2 World War II we was ready given our life or we would have died for you Brits! Now, are you not even a little bit of power TAKE CARE of our missing or lost a son. Shame on you! In life is not easy, my mom will be 200EUR a month and she is kindergarten teacher!
Give them the plane fare home and escort them on the plane.
If their home nations had a shred of self respect, obviously there is none for the UK, they would take responsibility for repatriating them. IN/OUT Referendum NOW.
GO HOME you must have caves in your own country.. Why come here to Stockport who told you where the caves are? We have our own Homeless do not add to it.. No doubt you will have a mobile phone.. We have become the begging bowl of the world..
Your comments:I am from Estonia and should say that many people in country have minimal salary, it is 280 euro in MONTH. And government doesnt care about us, they stole EU money and for them everything is OK. Do U think those people want to live in UK in caves? Welcome to Estonia with salary 280 euro, live and enjoy!!!!
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Yeah. It's their choise to be there! But they have no money to go back home. That's why they are still there I guess.
Yeah it's their own choise you say , okay . But now they just can't go to their own countrey to their own home. They have no money for that! ;)
Poor Law and work houses were better than this.
These people have homes to go to in their own countries. It is their choice to be here unlike our own homegrown homeless who genuinely have nothing and nobody!
There is nobody forcing them to live in these caves it is entirely their own choice.
that's a mansion to those people !!
No one is forcing them to live in the caves it is entirely their own choice.
If they live so bad why did they come here !!!!!!! The people have a right to a duty of of Care and its up to there Embassy to pay for their fare home and rehouse house them in there own countries Its NOT the duty of the Council they should put pressure on the Embassies It not our fault and the British taxpayer should not be picking up any bills
People, lets come down to earth and see this situation as it is. The ones sitting next to computer reading this sad news are part of the problem created by the society we live in. The ones who live in the caves are part of the problem too. We are not so far from each other. I think instead of writing about it and looking down on it, we should be taking this seriously and trying to solve the situation. That there would not be people living in the middle of the plastic bags that we, oh so proudly, consume. We are not better that they are. We just have different problems. I think we need each other to understand the situation of our dear planet.
Then here is a novel idea.......GO HOME
I think that is his rubbish and will be left when he decides to move on, with the taxpayer footing the bill to clean it .up!
But they all get social housing as soon as they arrive in the UK.................You told us.
Why are people blaming the EU for this? It is the result of policies pursued by our Government. Brussels whatever your view on it cannot do anything about this, it simply lacks the power. Look instead to local and national government. This kind of thing is a disgrace and our government should make it a priority to sort it out, along with the equally scandalous situation of food banks providing food for half a million desperate Britons. These situations do not exist because of the EU, they exist because our government has made deliberate choices to cut the benefits system, 'sanction' people without much of a reason, and thus allow people to fall into this sort of situation. Write to your MP and make an issue of this, or it will just continue and one day it may be you.
Stockport is not in Manchester
My son used to play in those caves when he was a kid.
I am Estonian and Really I have very bad feeling when I read this stuff and watch photos, how some people living .... why they don t come back home in Estonia ? I think If You not found happiness, then come back and try again live normal life. I m not understand , here is Your people and I think If You want and You try, then You can back come to life. Ok maybe they have some bigger problem in life and because they not come back. I don t know.....
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Do not feel sorry for them, suggest they go home
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Our once Great Britain has been turned into a slum, thanks to our softly softly governemts and the powers that be in Brussels, eventualy the real people of our once proud country will revolt and do something about it themselves, because our governments sure as hell wont.
France has got 4 times the land of the UK, but still they come to this crowded little island.
So when typhoid takes hold followed by TB someone may try and do something but it will be too late because an epidemic would be on the go. A frightening but possible scenario. Close the area off put slurry on the ground and people won't want to go there.
"Are you watching dave? ...... pictures ........commonplace, and you will be sacked". And be replaced with WHAT?? Are you so deluded as to believe anyone, Labour or UKIP, will stop this? Labour signed us up to this "travel around Europe with impunity" crap and Labour are totally to blame for the situation we are in now. They threw benefits at anyone who landed here be they legal or not. Listen to Mandelson and weep. I would like to see figures for any British people who are living in a cave, or on the streets, of any other member state in this nasty Union. I can guarantee they will be minimal. And you know why - no other country would be idiotic enough to allow this to happen. Due to an increasingly lefty liberal elite, brought up on faulty social science concepts, we are reaping the benefits of years of complacency. If you want changes (and they will have to be tough and nasty) get out and VOTE. Stop moralising and whingeing from your armchairs or bedrooms.
Get an aircraft carrier round them all up in UK and send em back at the same time give us our Referendum
even living in a cave theres no need to live in abject squalor
Send these squatters and low lives back to their own countries before they wreck every aspect of British life.
JUST SEND THE PICTURES TO RUMANIA AND BULARIA
Haven't seen anyone saying that they were evicted from their cave, yet.
dOES IT MATTER WHAT TYPE OF pARLIAMENT WE; WHAT WE NEED ARE POLITICIANS WHO HAVE THE GUTS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS.
It is an infestation.
Your comments:the guy in the cave will get a council tax bill!
Well said, Jim! These different governments of ours suffer from the same disease now and in the past. Workers as long as they are CHEAP! If you don't do it for sixpence the somone else will do it for fourpence.
I live in the area and didn't know about these caves.....now I know and cannot visit them. Go Europe.
BLAIR AND HIS GANG ARE MAINLY RESPONSIBLE,BUT AT THE LAST G.E.WE THOUGHT WE HAD VOTED FOR AN OUTFIT WHO WAS GOING TO SORT IT OUT????????????????????
Why done they go back and why did they come in the first place?
Is this what Britian has become; another reason to "GET OUT OF EUROPE" and then kick the whole damn lot of them out.
what exactly does the DM want? do they think that they should be given a council house? do they think they should receive social security payments? given the fare and a hand out to go home? the only way we can sort the mess out is to have an English parliament, but we will never get that. England and the English, you might not remember them, they used to exist but the politicians and news media have snuffed them out. Now they are called Brits and their country is called the ewe kay,
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB, LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 If you yoghurt knitting lefties get your way, we'll ALL be living on the streets before too long.
Nobody asked them to come here.
So why are we going to let in more and more - the streets of the UK are not paved with gold just litte,r scroungers and dog muck.
Oh go on,give them some housing benefits.
all those people who feel sorry for them. maybe should find a bed for them in their own homes.
What these people really need is a shovel, a broom and some lessons on hygiene. Better still how about NOT LETTING THEM INTO THE COUNTRY because good britains are going to be needing those caves pretty soon as the corporate led government with its inhuman taxing system starts ousting britons out of their homes because there is "No Profit" to come from people with no work.
Are you watching dave? Come next January these pictures will become commonplace, and you will be sacked.
this is why the goverment needs to stop any more coming in untill we can send some of the unwanted ones back,simple.
Are we meant to feel sorry for them? Why on earth did they come here to live in those conditions? Oh yes that's right - because it's easier than working for a living. This sort of story just drives home the message that IDS is right and the benefit culture has to stop.
they chose to come here,
Could be worse - at least they're not 30 miles downstream, next to the Scousers.
""A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.- Just Me, The North, United Kingdom, 13/6/2013 0:02 Errmm, is this a five minute argument, or the full 24 hours?
The state of the caves says a lot about the people who live there. Noting to stop them cleaning them up, putting rubbish in bags etc. They could at least take the trouble to keep them clean and tidy.
Sorry, nope, can't raise an ounce of sympathy. They CHOSE to leave their countries. They CHOSE to live there which, as they can CHOSE to return to their countries, must still be better than 'home'. The question is: do we have enough caves to house the hundreds of thousands who will be arriving in a few short months?
They are not forced to live there. Why don't they go back home?
I'm all for supporting them a ticket home,Bye
I wish poor people would stop and ask themselves honestly:Why am I poor? The answer maybe in this article.
Whys isn't the council doing something about this. The council should get off their backsides sort this out rather than harass motorists and tax payers.
If that's "home", why don't they spend 5 minutes tidying up?
VOTE UKIP--------- To take the nation back to the Stone Age.
They should pay tax to occupy those caves! Dirty scroungers!
Why is the government doing nothing to help?
This goes on and the Rich get even Richer than ever before under this Govt....and I voted for them !
They should go back to their own countries!
This is the nastiest government since God knows when. - piggy, london, 12/6/2013 19:44 What has this got to do with the Government these people landed on these shores with no jobs no money and obviously no plan on how they were going to live, i suppose you want everyone to be given homes and benefits as soon as they set foot here, you really do need to get into the real world
Come January 14th I believe they are entitled for benefits, housing, medicine, schools etc etc etc. Why cannot our political elite see the mess they have caused through forcing us into eu rules we the masses do not want. And no referendum (just don't buy the 2017 one as camoroon is so pro europe) So if you want out and this mess sorted use the election as a referendum and vote UKIP.
go home simple
then they should go back to their own country , why are the authorities allowing these squatters we surely have enough home grown without importing more. Thank you Brussels for trying to bring Britain down to the level of the Eastern countries these people come from and thank you Mr Blair and his party for assisting them .
I'm really surprised why Estonians or Czechs are going to UK. Do they really think UK is better? Both countries are quite wealthy. There's something wrong with these few people. My answer is - no. I've been living in UK, Czech republic and now back to Latvia and can honestly say - In czhech republic and/or Latvia (yes - even poor Latvia!!!) I am better off than UK.
a poor man is suffering and all you can do is debate weather he should be in this country or not.
it's only filthy because the people are. there is no reason not to pick up after yourself. even if you live in a cave.
We should not forget that humans lived in conditions like this for many Millenia. The trash they left behind is important archeological evidence.
The EU Parliament and social engineers in Brussels will fix the problem.
Shocking - this is ENGLAND in 2013.......something is seriously wrong with the UK and the direction it's being taken!
i do hope they are paying council tax!!
They are just biding their time until they can start claiming benefits and free housing.
I'd rather live in a cave than on a city sidewalk.
Why not go squat in an office building in France?
Wasn't there a 10p house for sale? Can't the government buy it and give a few unfortunate fellow countrymen a helping hand?
A home should be a human right. Build us homes!
" Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class"==> I am not surprise, because this middle class used to work, get steady job, do some saving, if you back in 2007/2008 when saving a bit high, and some business starting collapse especially Lehman Brothers, Icelandic bank , hence lots of redundancy, once this happen, the LGA at that time did not act quick enough to help them with the mortgage, hence now they have to repossess, they lost hope of working, they have no where to stay, but bare in mind they used to work, paying their tax and NI. The impact of losing jobs, and not able to pay mortgage is nightmare, as you can imagine not all people receiving income support etc. whilst people who are never work for over 20 years, have more than 4+ children can live with lavish style earned >£2K pcm from all taxpayers money.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
Divert them round to the MP's houses perhaps they would like to shack up in their gardens.
The Estonian man in the secret warren, perched on a 20ft precipice overhanging the River Mersey. REALLY? I WAS BORN IN STOCKPORT IN 1945 AND I THINK IT'S TIME I WENT BACK TO HELP CLEAN IT UP!
What exactly do people expect the government to do? They are all entitled to use the benefits system aren't they? Then they can start looking for jobs like everyone else. And if there are no jobs available, their local job center will see that as well, and that way the government will support them financially. And also another point - the government can't just magically make millions of jobs appear. If they could, I'd be happy to see what your solution is. And I'm sure the rest of the countries of this world would like to know as well...
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.
Down with the 1%.
I suppose they were "forced" to come here, and "forced" to strew their litter around. Not even an animal dirties its den. People used to live in caves until the 50s above the River Severn and elsewhere. As a child I saw their homes, so know what I'm talking about. I never saw any rubbish back then. They were clean and tidy people.
My daughter has lived in a hostel for nearly a year in one tiny room, with her 2 year old. she works but is a single parent. she has watched literally scores of overseas guests!! get housed in nice little new builds whilst she goes to the back of the queue!! Shes so dignified about it wishing them luck as they leave (they reply in broken English). Its heart breaking what is going on?
I don't care what the reason is, NO-ONE in England should have to live like this. It is to our shame! If we cannot sort ourselves out so that all our inhabitants live securely, with warmth and with food in their bellies, how the hell can we pontificate about what other countries should be doing and about rights? It's bloody disgusting! I feel ashamed.
Being homeless is one thing...being a filthy pig is quite another. Clean that stuff up.
Condom wrappers??These people live in caves and are getting action?? I guess I need to move
They do have somewhere to go --back to their own country, they are probably illegals anyway
"Sometimes kids come down and set fire to their sleeping bags when they're in them." WHAT?
That's shocking! In this day and age no one should have to live in such squalid conditions, they should be made to clear up their rubbish.
"Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.- Martha, Allotment, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 22:36 Tamara who?
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ? - Billy Middle England, Solihull, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 20:26 I visited them when i was a kid. They were actually quite comfortable not just 'caves' but normal looking rooms with fireplaces wallpaper etc. Don't know why your comment got red arrowed!
Nobody "forces" them to live in caves, your use of the English language is apalling.
I am assuming his is a Tax Payer funded sandstone cave near Stockport ? If you do not want to live in a cave in the UK, go home. Please.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013.......During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not. Aye, an' you try tellin' t'kids o' t'day that, an' they won't believe yer.
I feel sorry ,when they are forced to buy smokes and alcohol.
Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.
Welcome to Cameron's Britain.
And we're handing out overseas aid left right and centre while MPs are still completely oblivious in their ivory towers. Makes my blood boil.
For Stockport, that's a des res.
They should not be allowed in the country if they do not have a job, reasonable financial savings and a home to stay in. Close the borders.
plastic bottles as shoes binbag as a coat and a breezeblock wipe your bottom.
Big Society - Biggest load of old Bo*****s ever
They looking like they are having a great time! its just like camping but free! Perfect!!
We are now starting to look more and more like Eastern Europe - no surpise there
CaMoron, Osbourne, IDS and Hague should all be very ashamed and RESIGN!
Living in filth, is that what we have to look forward to when they move into ( a benefit funded ) house next door?
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy!
No matter how prosperous society becomes, there will always be people who will become homeless and not work or try to get a job. People who are hard working and honest and find themselves in this position because of bad luck or other valid reasons should be helped......Sadly, these people are in a small minority. Believe me, I've been there.
please look after the poor unfortunates in this country first Dave Cameron - this is scandalous
"Well, what did you expect in twenty first Century Britain?!"
big society eh?
Terrible situation, and it is totally unrealistic to say he should get a job. I was homeless and living on the streets years ago and it was really not that easy. The then new laws making it harder to evict unsuitable tenants made people wary of renting their spare rooms, and employers refused me without having a proper address, it was hard to keep clean & get a proper nights sleep , I was refused benefits without an address to sign on from, and 'live in' jobs were not forthcoming with nobody to vouch for you. It was a slippery downward slope and took months to get back on my feet again. For many years I have worked hard long hours but I will never forget those homeless days and now am so grateful for everything I have and the people that gave me a chance..
Things will only get worse. The rich will not care as the disadvantaged get shafted by this uncaring government
If this is how they treat their home I wouldn't want to be living anywhere near them, they probably have no respect for anything. At least animals are organic. Look at all that damn plastic! They don't deserve such beautiful surroundings if they treat it like this. If I had to live here I'd cut some wood and leaves and make a proper shelter, have a disposal area, cooking area etc. Useless!
These people are nearly all immigrants. Why are they here if they cannot afford to support themselves? I struggle to believe that they are all middle class people who have lost their jobs, it's laughable. I don't think that they should be living in caves, but why should we have to pay to provide them with accommodation? They should go back to their own countries.
it was good enough for mother shipton..............
THE UK IS FINISHED. ABSOLUTELY FINISHED. VOTE UKIP.
Did some of you not read the article properly? Just because the story highlights an Estonian man doesn't mean that he is the only one. The article also mentions that British middle class people have been affected, Benefit cuts, sanctions, changes to disability benefits bedroom tax, unemployment etc are affecting many many people in this country, many of whom are just like you and me (the wonderful taxpayers). It could be you next so think on, Daily Mail readers, before you make your sarcastic prejudiced comments.
OUToftheEU...............NOW!, before the bulgarians and Rumanians come next! the government of this country is pathetic, the only 'good job' they are doing is convincing even more people to vote UKIP next time round!
You would have to be cold hearted not to feel any sympathy for this guy but as a nation in severe financial crisis with many of our own people struggling we can't afford to house & feed everybody that manages to reach our shores. We're paying fortunes in overseas aid & health tourism on the NHS. The best way to help him is to put him on a flight back to Estonia, it has to be the responsibility of his own nation to look after it's own people not that our government could teach them much in that area.
Instead of giving immigrants houses and benefits, the government should see things like this and help our own. This is disgraceful in this day and age.
Just wait and see the homes materialise next January when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive,betcha anything they'll be housed chop-chop,it's only native Britons that will be given the bums rush.
maybe they should go back to eastern europe then im sure we have enough homeless of our own!
Perhaps if there were not so many foreigners taking up our housing and resources, then there would be plenty to go round.
just wait until next year when the romanians arrive. shanty towns aplenty in London and other major cities.
Wait until January next year.....we will see more cardboard cities and rubbish heaps of the immigrant poor free to seek work but with nowhere to live..
These are the people are international aid should be going too!!!!!
It's all going very well is it not!
Homelessness is nothing new, but the sadness is that it is not so difficult to sort out, except that the Shelter laws have put such high expectations on state accommodation that a box room is probably inadequate. These requirements for adequate housing mean well but also mean that more people are in danger of ending up on the streets because there is NO SUITABLE ACCOMMODATION, and the state does not want to be held responsible for infringing on people's rights by inadequately housing them. Well frankly anything is more suitable than a cold, wet, dangerous street.
When so many people can't afford to pay for their own food, why on EARTH are we paying taxes so that the MPs in this country get their weekly shopping for free?? Don't get mad at each other, it takes attention away from the people who are truly ruining this country.
Why are these people here? If they cannot support themselves, they should be sent back to their own countries. EU rules that allow them to stay here are crazy. The EU will never let the UK renegotiate our membership terms, so the sooner UKIP get into government the better.
Why is it our responsibility. They came of their own free will. I am a bit fed up of all these sob stories.
I'm sure the Estomians wouldn't provide me with a free house if I went there with no job to go to so why should we be expected to house him? We should really stop people coming into the country unless they can prove they have a job to go to.
Hard to put a comment to this article, on the one hand people should have no need to rough sleep in a first world country but on the other why come here if this is how you are going to live, our own people must get first choice of houses and jobs then and only then should others be offered them and if you do not have a home ready or a job to go into then please do not come.
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare? - Penny, Worcester, 12/06/2013 13:27 Well they clearly didn't have the air fare to get home so they should return the way they got here, on the underside or in the back of a lorry
Tony Blair and co should let them all live in his mansions with them, fancy letting these poor people live in them conditions , after they were the ones that invited them here..And the next batch that will be flooding our shores next year, perhaps the the coalition Government and the house of our lords should take them in their homes..I expect they have plenty of spare rooms in their homes they could let..
Well, they're not UK citizens - so give them the cost of a flight home and wave bye bye. It's that simple.
"England is pathetic" ? Like there are no homeless in the US, of for that matter, in any other country! If Immigrants sleep like this - not the responsibility of the host country!
This shoot looks posed to me ....
When I worked in Waltham Forest people including kids are living in council owned garages...
Warning: Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class The same middle class that get into debt by the bucket load.
Blame the banks, this IS down to them . The recession is man made, they are making trillions from it and this debt can NEVER be paid back only wiped out by the rich and powerful when they finally decide they have had enough. Any Government that tells you we have to cut back because they have to pay back the debt is LYING to you, they know the debt can NEVER EVER EVER be paid back. The moment we stop taking loans and mortgages collectively as a nation from banks, is the moment they will lower everything. They are playing monopoly with our lives, we are all at risk and they are currently WINNING.
DM broadcast these pictures to the countries where these migrants come from, maybe they will see we have had enough of the freeloaders sponging off us time to send them all packing
Mostly I am proud to be British, sometimes though after reading a story like this I am ashamed to be British. Its about time forgein aid was cut, and we helped our own people, no human should have to live like this regardless of their gender, age, religion, colour of skin, or country of origin.
nice to see they are making an effort ,with decorating the walls in green etc, see ! not so bad is it ?
Work or want, It's what life is about.
England is pathetic
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ?
Are the caves in Estonia of a similar quality?
Just because they're homeless doesn't mean they have to live in filth, why don't they collect the rubbish up and dispose of it to make the surroundings better ?
Why is it up to the British taxpayer to provide a home for someone from Estonia? Sorry but he's come here with no job to come to so why should we pay for a home?
Instead of giving money to third world countrys lets start and look after our own first and get rid of food kitchens help the people that need help, spend money on the destitute in the uk first the rest the later.
"Homeless people are forced to live in the caves near Stockport"......NO THEY'RE NOT! They shouldn't be here if they have no job, or no money. Why have they come? I know, because they thought the UK was a soft touch and they would be housed and fed for free. GO HOME, I SAY, WE'VE FINISHED WITH CHARITY FOR ALL COMERS.
Go back to your own country and try to make it a better place,like we did untill half the world caught on.
Get a job then
so the hate dictator choudry geezas wife can live in a million pound home funded by council and meanwhile people are living in caves?
The Result of MASS IMMIGRATION by BLAIR and BROWN.
Can we send Iain Duncan Smith to live here?
Oh no these people are already littering our street (migrants) now they're messing up our caves as well. Why come here in the first place when we can't cope, afford or want them. .
I'm going to move to North Korea then moan about how they don't look after me.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Then maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then!
Go home, don't expect to freeload here, we got too much of that already.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then
They don't have to stay here. They are always free to go home as I don't want to house anybody who was not born here as charity begins at home and that is not home to every free loading foreigner that comes here.
This makes my blood boil. Why are our people left to live like this whilst we give homes to immigrants, it is absolutely disgusting.
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them. - hmmm , Reading, United Kingdom.................A plane ticket? How about a quick ferry ride and a bicycle?
To think the billions and billions of pounds the state has, that after two world wars where people fought and died for a better world, that we have people living on the streets in this ridiculously cold weather. But no the EU needs those billions to spend on wine and the geniuses running the councils need to waste 150,000 on measuring grass! No one should be having to resort to living like this in 2013. Does it really cost so much to help someone in need at least have somewhere warm to sleep?
This is just the beginning. Wonder if the Bilderbergers were discussing how to get all of the "unwashed", as they call us, into caves. Meanwhile, they spend a few thousand pounds on a bottle of champaign.
They should make this public across Eastern Europe so that it might deter more of them from coming here?
Don't come to Britain if you have no job, no money or no means of supporting yourself. I would not expect to move to another country in Europe and expect them to give me everything for free. Nor would another country be stupid enough to do it, only in Britain.............
This looks like America, commencing 20yrs ago when their government made benefits temporary. i.e. only 6months to 3yrs unemployment benefit in you entire life. It is coming to us, buy why are we paying 3x the TAX of Americans? Look at their fuel TAX, income TAX and VAT etc.
This is the nastiest government since God knows when.
does not look like housekeeping is high on the agenda for these people
Simple solution if your not british go back home to your own country surely if you have to live in a cave here you would be better off back home and i thought you did not get benefits if you had no address so if thats the case he must spend his time begging OR what.
probably still have to pay council tax aswell
We also are required by EU law to support these children who come across the borders, who have no families here. What back up is there for them. We do not look after our own, when they run into problems. What chance do these have I believe we have about 1200 coming from various places every year, that is a lot of children.
Go back to your own country then, idiots!
IF HE'S LLOKING FOR US TO BE IN SHOCK HORROR MODE IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN - THERE ARE TOO MANYOF HIM AND HIS ILK COMING HERE TAKING HOMES FROM BRITISH PEOPLE AND OUR SYMPATHY IS DRAINED - US FIRST!
Shortage of homes????? Wait till the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here to live later this year......As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet".....Be afraid....Be very afraid.
Ah yes the Tories are in power, it'll get worse until we get rid of them. Next homeless crisis will affect the elderly, just you watch!
He doesn't have to live like this,he can always go home.
were safe until DM exposed them
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them.
Living as nature intended in a cave eating scraps left by larger stronger predators.
It could be worse, could be scouse.
Not much of a home is it? I don't know much about the difficulties, but it's actually quite shocking that people have no alternative but to sleep rough. I'd rather like to donate I think, though contact details would make it easier..
Nothing to do with the millions of legal and illegal immigrants that are occupying the properties that these cave-dwellers could be in then?? It's time that the spongers who have not contributed a penny in taxes and are enjoying our benefits system, flooding our hospitals and council accommodation and creating frightening unemployment figures were sent to Germany where Frau Merkel could have the pleasure of their company. She could show us how it should be done and prepare for even more when GB votes in the referendum and Britain becomes British again and the Euro Judges are unable to dictate how the criminals from other countries are to be dealt with.
yet we can send billions of £'s abroad in aid and spend more billions £'s on war's we should not be fighting in countries that have nothing to do with the UK....please explain why???
Unfortunately all big cities have a homeless problem..whether the person who is homeless chooses that or not. It isn't getting any better.
Fakery by the Left? Surely not.....
I'm ashamed to say I live in Stockport and had no idea these caves or homeless people existed!
This is where Tony Blair should be living!
Romaians should go back and live in their own caves! British caves for British people!
Being poor does not excuse leaving garbage strewn everywhere. I can sympathize with where they live, but not how.
Their not homeless, their in tune with nature!! Living the way nature intended us to live!
This is Tory Britain.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad. - Gloria , Switzerland, 12/6/2013 18:30 Luxury, the lot of ya. We used to live in a beautiful £500,000 home, BUT........it was right next door to Abu Hamza!! Now THAT'S what I call bad.
There is a distinct difference between 'forced' an ' no alternative'. 'FORCED' the new 'Hilarious!' from the DM.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky... - Susan , Manchester, 12/6/2013 18:44---During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not.
This hasn't happened by accident you know.
"Homeless men and women forced to live in caves" - don't tell me DM, there are tens of thousands of them, right? Er no, only two or three! Very very typical DM.
The British live in caves while Islamist fighters live in luxury - paid for by the State. What a wonderful world!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
I only sympathise with those born and raised here who have worked and paid into this country then find themselves without work, income or any help. Those from other countries can go back to their home country.
Cameron get your Priorities right!!!!!!!!!!!! 55million per day EU plus 11 billion paid to Foreign Dictators!!!!!!!!!! Cameron our Priorities at home first. No wonder I like many others Ex-Toriy Voters will ensure UKIP is Voted in at the next election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
One of my friends who came to the UK from serbia said she was so shocked at how many homeless people there were on the streets! If you go through London, and other big cities there's so many young people sleeping rough, I've seen girls and boys of 16, the UK is a developed modern country and it breaks my heart to see people in this state. I was living with extended family when I was a teen and after a big row when I was 16 I was kicked out, and my school said to me, we are really sorry but social services will not help you as your now 16 so your main option is a hostel! Thankfully I had other family but many teenagers or people in general do not! I think more needs to be done to combat this issue because it has no place in today's society, especially when there's 45 million pound houses on sale and there is people sleeping rough around the corner!
Perhaps these photos could be published in Estonia to dispel the myth that Britain is the land of milk and honey...
@Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please g
Yet an immigrant can walk in and get a house and benefits at the drop of a hat! Shocking!
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky...
It makes me sick that this is happening in my country. Thanks for nothing Tory fatcats!
Have the Estonian consul been informed?
These persons are not "homeless", they are people with serious psychiatric problems. There is a big difference between losing your home to a fire and this. This is what happens when they shut down mental institutions. Are these people really living a better life like this? Free will? What free will do you have when you're suffering from delusions? Where are they getting their food, since there is lots of packaging lying around. Eventually, one of their fires will get out of control and burn down the park and endanger first responders.
I thought the UK's socialist institution keeps this from happening? You all ARE taxed to hell and back. Or does it go, as in the US, to foreigners instead of your own citizens as their bleeding hearts want it?
We need to shut our borders...this is a dreadful thing to see, but due to slack immigration control this is happening across all cities and towns. I drove through Kilburn today which is full of Romanian immigrant's and no doubt illegals also...I really don't recognise London as I once did, and this goes for all our cities.
It looks quite cosy in there
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad.
I hope this picture and article are headline news across eastern europe.Maybe when they see how things really are they won't come.
Marvellous, isn't it, that we are still giving aid to countries who are trying to develop nuclear weapons? On a more trivial note, although part of the Greater Mancester Metroplitan County, Stockport and Manchester are still, intrinsically, totally separate entities and their names should not be interchanged as they are in this article.
Come on....middle classes do not end up living in caves!
No suprise - most people from Stockport are cavemen anyway.
These poor BRITISH people are launched onto the streets whilst immigrants come over and get benefits and a house. The UK is the backside of the world... FACT
As an Estonian I feel obligated to write that it's deeply disturbing and actually embarrassing. Estonians do not have a bad life here and that is not okay. I hate that people like that are getting media coverage, giving us a bad name for no reason (because this is obviously an article meant to stir up hate). There aren't hordes of Estonians living off benefits in the UK (I'd hope they're not homeless either). But I guess a certain percentage of people are just homeless, no matter what the nationality. I feel sorry for the man and wish there was something I could do, but please do not hate the whole nation because of one person. My idea is - if you can't support yourself and benefit the country you move to - do not go, you are not welcome there. I feel bad for the Brits, because I can only imagine how it makes you feel. I hope things work out for your country.
Sorry my sympathy went as soon as I saw they were not UK citizens.
Living in a cave is a choice.
Homelessness increases across Britain and the DM highlight one Immigrant...is there a hidden Agenda behind this ??
I AM AN ATHEIST, BUT IF THERE IS A GOD I SUSPECT HE IS SOMETHING LIKE CAMERON,,,,CAMERON HAS POWER TO DO GOOD, BUT AS HE IS OK IN HIS LITTLE HEAVEN, EVRYBODY ELSE CAN LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES, THEY CAN SINK OR SWIM,,,,ANOTHER THING CAMERON HAS IN COMMON WITH GOD IS I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CAMERON EITHER, AND MILLIBAND IS JUST AS USELESS....IF YOU WANT ANY CHANCE OF WINNING THE NEXT ELECTION LABOUR, DITCH THAT USELESS BOY, AND GET AN ADULT WHO CAN STAND UP TO THE TORY REGIME
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maybe the reason they are homeless is the same as why they dont clean the place up, lazy idiots.
GO HOME TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND STOP TRYING TO CON US FOR BENIFITS! YOUR NOT A HARD LUCK STORY! NO ONE ASKED YOU TO COME HERE! SO GO HOME NOW!!!!
I used to work in govt housing, the state govt closed all the long-term mental health facilities in the 90's thinking that they would be better off in supervised communities. They failed to build the supervised community housing and put them in the general population. There are now certian 'clients' who we gave housing to, other charities supplied them with furniture, white goods and food and they never walked through the front door or they burned them down. Some people, by way of mental illness or fear of people or society, they prefer to live in caves. And they actually are more stable outside of the general community. They fish, find their own water and only approach charities for clothing or staple foods. Even then they just take. They build their own communities and support networks. They exist off the grid and they seem happy that way. Why should we force them in to living within walls if it makes them miserable? Give the housing to someone who actually wants it.
No nice caves in Estonia?
They do have a home to go to... their home country.
Firstly, there are homeless departments within every local council and people who are entitled will be accommodated temporarily at least. Secondly, why do Eastern Europeans come here, I am not blaming them, not at all, I am asking why do they come? They come because the message they have heard is the UK is better than their homeland, this existence surely cannot be better so the UK government needs to change the message that immigrants hear before they come. Thirdly, why are the Police not intervening if these people are being threatened or subjected to arson, and intervene regardless of nationality I might add. Fourthly, it is a sad sad indictment of the world we live in where billionaires daughters weddings take the headline in a paper over people living in the UK in third world conditions. This government has seen fit to CON-DEM many of its own people and immigrants from others nations to a lifetime of poverty, ill health, homelessness and fear, whilst ensuring it retains vast expen
Not just caves. I worked for a rough sleepers charity and every night in our parks these poor guys are putting up tents for the night and taking them down before we see them in the morning. Don't think the problem is far from your own door. These are bright resourceful people (15% of homeless people are graduates) but single homeless men are a massively neglected group by people and state.
What did Cameron say? We are all in it together. Yea right, more rubbish.
SECOND BEST RATED COMMENT: "Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29" UNBELIEVABLE - did any of you who rated this actually read the piece? The homeless man living in the cave is an immigrant (or do you not know where Estonia is?). It's the consequence of the new policies. As a county apparently we would rather have people living like rats and starving than showing any charity based on need. Personally I think we should be better than that.
The is lots of safety nets put the easily messed up.
Call me Dave thinks its better to send one point two billion pounds to "poor countries " God bless him
Be worse when the Romanians get here, nicking all our tramps caves.
Proof that the big society is not working. Great Britain is not so great !!!
Oh how I love the support here for these homeless people now that the words Middle Class are used. Normally, DM readers couldn't give a hoot about this problem that faces many vulnerable people in our society but now, they demand the government does something about it.
I am sure the government would not mind putting them on a plan and sending home. I feel for the homeless, I do, I will give money any day, but when they choose to live in another country and have nothing, then leave-just ask for a plane ticket.
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accommodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Estonian... Go home and find a house... Or live in a cave and quit moaning!!!
And then we read about Tamara and her 12 million pound wedding..... Just says it all really,
I thought that if someone came here from Eastern Europe and could not find work after three months, they were expected to go back to their own country.
But hey, there is an unlimited amount of money available for immigrants.
I've volunteered with the homeless in the past. One thing to keep in mind is that most suffer from mental & addiction illnesses. You can set them up in government subsidized housing, group homes, shelters, treatment programs, help to get their benefits straight & most still usually wind back up on the streets. Some can't live around other people. Some don't want to beat their addiction & none of them have advocates. It's a problem I don't know how to solve.
Couldn't they at least keep their cave neat?
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter? - USA LLC SN482745A-3, Boring, United States, 12/06/2013 16:17 This are not UK citizens and has nothing to do with ELITE !! And I think so that the United States have nothing to say about this because I think that a lot of homeless freeze to death in winter and live in the sewers underground !!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language". - BrianD, York, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 17:22---------------------------------------------- Anyone can apply for shelter and food through our system. If this this Estonian is incapable due to lack of English or mentally ill - then he should be returned to his homeland. We aren't responsible for Eastern Europe's unwanted. I'm sure if a homeless Brit went over to Europe there wouldn't be a welcome party waiting
just remember everybody. we're all in this together........
What kind of children go round setting fire to sleeping bags with people in them??!!! If that's the kind of children our nation is raising, we should all be very scared!
Evidently their free time is not spent clearing up their make shift homes! Living in squalor is nothing to do with poverty and evrything to do with lazyness.
But this is only right, how can we send BILLIONS to other countries if we don't make our own people who have paid Taxes to the government go without !!!! Okay enough of the lies, now how about this for an idea, instead of giving Millions of houses away to Immigrants we give them to the British people first, How about instead of giving BILLIONS of Taxpayers money to the EU we keep it in our own country and spend it on the people who have paid it in the first place? There is only one way to get our country back and that is vote UKIP because they are the only party that puts the people of this country FIRST not last.
Why can he not clear up rubbish? No need to live in the filth.
Now there's an advertiment & welcome to all those Eastern Europeans who want to come to Britain. "COME TO BRITAIN AND WE WILL GIVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY A CAVE TO LIVE IN"!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language".
get back to your estonian cave..english caves for the english
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter?
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accomodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Just you wait until mega thousands of Bulgarians/Romanians and god knows where else they're from pour into the UK next year. Meanwhile LibLabCon are demanding a 30% + payrise, more generous allowances and ring fencing £billions for overseas 'aid'. We ain't seen nothing yet....
Reduce immigration to zero, start deporting people not entitled to be here. take over empty properties by compulsory purchase.problem solved.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard? - Jenny , Manchester, 12/6/2013 17:02 Love that comment haha.
Elsewhere on this page a story regarding a luxury 1000 foot cruise liner about to be launched where cabins cost anything between £1500 and £2600 for a 12 day voyage. There is something sadly wrong with today's society and the direction in which it is heading.....
How can anyone be homeless in Britain? Can't people live in a hostel?
Its ok , they can rotten there ... We need to send more troops to Afghanistan , the more the WAR, the better for the government . No gain in helping the homeless , But alot of gain in WAR .... I hate the government
Disgusting giving millions of our money away to forgeign countries to aid their famines yet we can't look after people in our own country. The government should be ashamed. Too posh to notice what's really going on in their country in their big mansions - doesn't affect them does it.
All part of Mr Blair's vision of a multi-cultural society !
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard?
Billions for overseas aid, billions for the EU, billions to bail out the banks, billions for wind farms, billions to subsidise all of the privatised industries and utilities -- and what is there for poor and vulnerable? Cuts and contempt.
We have many of these locations in the US where the homeless have had to make do with living in tents, cardboard shelters and under bridges. I dare say there are such locations in most of our cities. We call them Obamavilles. We just can't seem to lower our unemployment rates, people are still losing their homes, many live off their credit cards. Our politicians refuse to take the steps to improve our economy. Very sad.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 I just loved these comments, just couldn't stop laughing!
It is a shame that this is occurring, however, might one take a look at the immigration policies of the past and the inability of the enormous bureaucracy to rein in the flow of illegals that pour into England every year. Yes the government Ministers could do more to change sloppy laws however the bureaucracy don't want that as it would weaken their strength in jobs. It is time the populace woke up and realised that there is soon going to be no middle class to pay taxes. Only a rich bureaucracy still doing nothing but protecting their jobs, and these poor people who will have to rely on government handouts. Does that remind you of anything?? Try USSR, North Korea, China. And of course look at Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal. Yes folks it is time to reduce the bureaucracy and start rebuilding The GREAT in Great Britain.
Too many people and not enough homes. There weren't enough houses before the influx of the past few years. Early 2014 we are to expect another load, how many is anyone's guess. In my area, new schools are going up all over the place and existing ones are being expanded. I believe any financial benefit this recent wave of immigration has brought, is far outweighed by the cost of the infrastructure that has to be put in place for the newcomers. We are now experiencing shanty towns, people camped in woods and caves, not to mention encampments in prime parts of our capital, which were temporarily cleared for the Olympics but are back again. We are a small island we don't have an infinite amount of space, this problem is all about numbers pure and simple and our first priority should be to our own citizens and I cannot understand why people are allowed to stay here without a home or a job.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ===================================================================================== A large number of them ARE immigrants! Why are they still being allowed to pour into this country when there are very few jobs and thousands are ending up living on the streets? We need to get out of the EU now before our country collapses under the burden.
If we didnt have 4 million immigrants we'd have 4 million more jobs, and there would be no need for them to be homeless. Glad i could help
There must be hundreds of untennanted houses in the locality , they will probably need a little work but why not offer these houses to the needy rather than letting them rot and have their windows smashed . Once these people are settled they can start working to pay back towards the cost of the repairs and move forward in their lives. It is no good saying they should not be here , the fact is they are and letting people live in caves no matter what their nationally is hardly a sign of a caring first world country. Leave the politics aside for once and offer a branch of hope. I am sure most people in their position just want to get them selves fixed up and start working and living a productive life.
Simple remedy, put him on a plane back to Estonia. Vagrancy is still an offence in this country.
Even though it a cave they could still keep it clean
Well the Ecclestone divorce will be pricey too
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!
Manchester City claim an EVEN greater fanbase ! (wink)
Ahh, so this presumably what Ian Duncan Smith meant when he said in Parliament recently that it was possible to live on £53 per week, he was referring to living in a cave or tent...silly me...I thought he was joking.....
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia.
The government should provide basic caravans for the homeless. The advantage being tat they are cheap and that they can be moved if the person gets a job elsewhere.
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses - Edoardo, Milan, 12/6/2013 16:03-------------Apart from the fact England didn't actually exist back then, you'll find that ancient Britons actually lived in huts. We then went on to build the largest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen and are responsible for much of the technology the world enjoys today, including railways and the jet engines. The descendants of the Romans became the worlds biggest cowards.
Put ALL MP's on minimum wage...........watch how fast thing change then.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals. - DisgustedHighgate , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 16:08 - I have a wheelie bin.. these people don't...
Estonian....
I wait to learn that women and children have followed them into the caves.
AND WE STILL HAVE NEXT YEAR TO LOOK FORWARD TO !!!
Time he returns to his own land.
- Adey , Batley, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:51---------------- No Adey, population growth doesn't need controlling - IMMIGRATION growth needs to be stopped......full stop.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.
Well done Labour - now let us allow more in and build homes on green belt to accommodate them. When those homes are full, lets build even more on the green belt and boost the economy.... This cycle can continue indefinitely, of course. Meanwhile, fill the caves up!!!
You should look up (houses that have been repossessed) In n.ireland it is about 40 pages with 6 houses per page . The British mainland is scary. How many people really care about the homeless ? Not a lot . Salvation army are fantastic for meals etc but there are not a lot of beds available.Saw Phil Spencer (location location) on tv one night. He works with the homeless and asked all of us to check if there was a vacant room eg above a shop. He found dozens , Some were renovated (not palatial) but dry with a bed etc .Many people were so grateful. In this recession many are living on the breadline , some in poverty. Many British born and bred. Alc ohol and drugs are sometimes what people turn to because of hopelessness. I t was reported than because of cancer treatment one lady lost her home + her job . she was sleeping on the settee in different friend,s homes.It is so sad . over here have found some vacant rooms above shops but some shop owners are scared. Others have been great .
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
This is thanks to Gordon Brown who created the benefit culture and squandered all of the country's resources. Having said that this coalition government can't really say they've done anything to tackle the problem except make it almost impossible for these people to get back on their feet..... That's Britain for you folks.....
While the Ecclestones indulge their shameless taste in a vulgar excessive wedding the poor live in misery..... have the rich no conscience? Just think what twelve million would have done to help the poor, a shameless society created by corporations and bankers dividing decent people into haves and have nots...lets hope the wroth of God will descend soon and rid the world of this greedy self centred ethos that worships the idols of material success!
You should look at Lincoln and many other cities , these people need help , there is always an underlying problem that makes them end up like this , In Lincoln we have a fair few RAF Bases were there are hundreds of rooms from the squadies not used why cant the goverment use them to help the situation , Also how can Tamara Eccleston spend 12 million on a wedding thats disgusting just imagine what good 12million pounds would do
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.- george72 , poole, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:59--------- Id rather live in the cave thanx!
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick. - Liz, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:27 I call that realistic, not racist. Too many people are all too willing to throw out the race card nowadays.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
Ever since the sixies and probably before,there always has been a problem with housing in this country! You just cannot move to another country & expect to be housed..there just isn't enough to go round for our own people. Most people have had to work hard for years,before they can buy a house... i do not see why we should be expected to house everyone,who just comes here,mostly for handouts!!! Lets put our elderly & sick first and look after them...What country could you just move to,,have money & be housed?...NONE!.
Thanks to those who voted Labour, this is the legacy we've been left with and are still trying to correct all these years after their unsustainable boom. All those home 'owners' who made a packet obviously have no objections.
comment from iain duncan smith, PLEASE !!
- James Mitchell, Ringwood, 12/6/2013 15:21 You are spot on with your comments. It is a very insecure world we live in today. Even high earners are not immune though as their lives can change in a matter of 6 months if they lose their lucrative jobs and f
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground.
What is the point of building more homes for these people when there are no jobs. Just another strain on the ordinary workers. Anyone who thinks strongly about it should dip their hand in their pocket and get a house built for them! The upper crust certainly bother about the ones at the bottom!
With the surge of new homes going up like 2,500 in Barwell, Leicestershire and 4,200 by the M1/M69 Junction then surely there is no reason for homelessness?, or are our masters in the EU telling us who should have them?. Charity begins at home.
This is what is left of the British Empire..
Let the EU sort it out, its no fault of the British that they are here.
As regards the Estonian man well no one asked him to come here and he is not our problem.The Estonian authorities would not house a British person so why should we house them.Who we should be looking after are the many homeless ex-servicemen living on the streets who seem to get no help at all while at the same time we house immigrants.
And someone just blew £12 million on a wedding? Somehow I think we have lost our sense of priorities.
there is is going to be a massive outbreak of TB and other epidemics,this is why the health bills in the 1960s were brought in,sanitation,medication,mass chest x rays,accommodation for famlies with little money,ie council houses.illness knows no boundaries.Cameron needs to be aware of these people or illness and social problems will cost us dear.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals.
Incentive to work harder/try harder to find work. Should be more of it Dave
Jesus Christ
I grew up close to these caves and over the years with different governments and fluctuating world economy, they have been "occupied" by a variety of tenants. What amazed me was how a supposed Estonian would even be able to find the caves as they are hidden from sight down a cliff. People will always fall through the net regardless of how well you cast it
PLEASE READ THE MSG FROM "THE ENGLISH PATIENT" - -and ask yourselves why he gets no help - -and anjem choudray - -is shown as getting £25k a year - for contributing NOTHING.
Thanks to everyone who voted Tory. You know who you are... you're the ones red arrowing this comment!
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses
sorry Meant to say homeless was not endemic under Maggie, stop blaming her for everything or did the last labour government never happen !!!!!
Where ever a person lives they can still put the rubbish in a bin. They don't have to sit amongst it.
It's disgraceful that as a society we allow people to fall so far from grace that they become homeless.
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.
capitalism will only bring us communism and fascism, we need a socially democratic democracy, clean out the corruption, with governments of the people for the people.
"Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently. - ACR , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 No they are not! What is needed is to stop an annual total of immigrants arriving equal to a very large town (250,000pa) and send those back that don't deserve to be here. This would then free plenty of houses as well as doctors and nurses etc.No need to turn England into a concrete jungle!
This situation will be even worse by this time next year. They will be fighting each other to live in caves, regardless of whether they are immigrants or UK born homeless. We are well on our way to becoming a third world country - like the ones the Government keeps paying our money to. Charity begins at home ALL of you politicians. WE NEED THE MONEY SPENT HERE.
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
And the latest unemployment figures say that unemployment is coming down. Pray tell what happened to the two million disability claimants deemed fit to work. Have they disappeared into thin air? Next to nothing that comes from any government of any colour in this country is worth the paper it is written on - all smoke and mirrors. On the TV this morning no one asked what happened to those two million former disability claimants. If you are sane, it's like being in a nuthouse.
Too many people with too few opportunities population control is required now.
This is not proof of the inequalities of the benefits system, nor is it evidence of some skilled highly educated worker who has suffered set backs. This is an Estonian gent who though entitled to be here as a European is here because he can be. Is it really that much better than his own country well yes! the benefits he gets here far outweigh those he would get in his home country. Homelessness was endemic under Maggie and neither did Labour re house them all there are many ex soldiers living in similar circumstances throughout the recent labour government. Well said Berkshires finest & hendonman
We have homeless, 95 % are substance abuse users and mentally ill. The substance abuse users refuse to stay in charitable accommodations (there are many) and the mentally ill refuse to take medications or seek psychiatric care, under the law you can't make them. There is no facility for them, and families have pretty much given up, you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.
Expect more homelessness next year when more EU citizens come here with no job and no place to live. Where are the authorites going to put all these people, many families with children. Let them camp out in Dowing Street because our PM made no attempt to stop this open border madness.
This is why I never go to the north.
Some comments on here are disgusting. You don't know individuals circumstances or if there British or not (incidentally UK born or not they happen to be HUMAN BEINGS). I nearly found myself homeless after going on to statuary sick pay after being diagnosed with cancer. My landlord decided to sell the property and I could find no where that would rent to me whilst being on SSP without a guarantor - to which I did not have. Fortunately for me the council gave me discretionary temp housing but only after my GP, a social worker, a support worker and a local charity wore them down. All this whilst lying in a hospital bed wondering which to worry about the most homelessness or cancer. It did bring me into contact with lots of other homeless people through the charity that helped me and I have to say its a world I really never knew existed - or how truly difficult it can be for people from all walks of life to gain housing. I felt like i'd been wandering through life blind.
I hope those greedy bankers are reading this. Look what you have done!
If the country doesn't have enough homes for the population how can all the incomers expect to be housed? It astounds me that the blinkered, heads in the sand (or elsewhere), politicians of all parties are quite content to see and allow it to happen. The same politicians who are quite content to see billions of pounds being gobbled up by the EU while presiding over food banks and unemployment on a massive scale. I still wait to be told which politicians are affected by the austerity measures and who among their number have cut back on their taxpayer funded expenses? Dreams, dreams!
Result of an uncaring and godless political society.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing....
Why are people allowed in to the country without jobs to go to? You should have a job and a certain amount already in the bank to be let in. Why am I asking? It's the EU's fault.
If they are homeless here then they should go HOME! And contrary to what the home-grown version would have you believe there are jobs out there if you get off your backside and look. The trouble is that the vast majority would rather claim benefits and they are supported by a huge infrastructure of carers and counsellors who have a vested interest in keeping Britain well and truly broken.
Why are you all feeling sorry for the homeless all of a sudden.. Just yesterday you were all against a women on benefits, you were all moaning how she shouldn't be on benefits.. What do you want to do just kill her off. And now we have a story about homeless and you feel sorry for them, but no doubt if they were on benefits you would be telling them to get a job. You people make no sense, are you all that inept and stupid to think someone on benefits lives a happy life? do you think they have a house in spain etc. Get real and OPEN your eyes.
This is disgusting in this day and age wake up Briton.If government built hotels to house homeless people in rooms like the late rooms hotels there would. E a decrease in homelessness. The rooms have a bed, toilet shower cubicle and sink. The benefit would cover cost of housing and could also provide food. Until housed elsewhere. It's more cost effective I'm long run. Hotels like these could house 100 s and the be edit would cover cost.
Go back home, fool...!
The Estonian man should go home, nobody asked him to come here.
Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please give them some credit and start rewarding the positives!!! I cant feel sorry for these people its about choices!!
I have no objection to anyone coming to the UK PROVIDED THEY HAVE A JOB TO GO TO. We can't just swan off to Australia to live - the government doesn't allow it. As to living in caves, well the people of Stockport and Manchester were quite happy to spend large periods of their lives in them during the war as they were used and enlarged to make public air raid shelters, and throughout the history of Stockport the locals have been digging the back wall of their houses out and into the natural cliffs to make extra rooms and storage.
Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently.
show this on the front pages big and loud, show the world what we have come to in the UK. Well done, tories, looking after your foreign companies,allowing them to avoid millions, giving 5% tax rebates to their executives and people at their most vulnerable are reduced to living in caves. Tell you what, there is a big council house at the end of the Mall with several empty rooms, I have an idea..................
if you just glanced at those pictures you would not have thought that it was in the U.K. A real shame
That is a sad sight but is it possible the clue is in ' the increasing number of East European migrants'? If theres more competition for low cost housing then yes, people people who lose their livelihoods and need it, have more chance of ending on the streets. But the charity bloke doesn't point out that immigration is putting more pressure on the housing stock as more and more people pile into the country, because that would not be on message and what he's after is more money by shaming the government. But are we really supposed to have houses ready for everyone who comes to the UK?
so long as we can increase our foreign aid, all is well
and we still give billions away to countries who have million/billion dollar nanotech labs, weapons reasearh facilities and space programs....
They are better off there than in a Salford terraced house squat.
In the past week the DM has shown us Romanians living in rubbish on our city streets now this. We are swamped with immigrants coming here with no homes or jobs to go to. Its no good for them or us. When is the government going to stop this mass immigration, stand up to the EU and tell them Britain is overflowing. Do they intend to wait until every street , shop doorway and underpass has its own immigrant community living on it in sleepingbags and boxes. We cant go much further.
First lower benefits for the unemployed , introduce a bedroom tax causing debt leading to homelessness ,then and this is the crafty bit,.. encourage the mindless to blame immigrants.
it's because we're to busy banging the rest of the world too rights
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own. - john back , london, 12/6/2013 14:22 -------------------------- This government doesn't give aid to anyone anywhere for nothing and neither did the previous government. It is allocated because for the advantages they will get from it. For example, as a means of securing mineral rights in Africa before China gets its hands on a greater share of them.
Homelessness should not be happening in this day and age, and it's a national disgrace that it is. It shows it can happen to anyone, except or course, to talentless, vacuous celebrities who get paid millions for doing diddly squat, yet moan about the pressures of fame, and big, billion pound corporations who get away with paying very little or not tax. But according to Cameron 'we're all in this together.'
The Parish Workhouse was a good idea. You had to say who you were, you got warm, you got fed, you even got free medicine. And you got plenty of work to do. Vagrants were arrested, and imprisoned or sent to the workhouse, depending on their circumstances. Who says Britain has improved?
there are many reasons people find themselves on the street, however a vast number of these are drug and alcohol related, often leading to mental health issues, there are plenty of homeless hostels, but many living there find obeying the rules a problem and would rather live on the street so they can continue to abuse.
mart25 - true - problem is that it started with our own govt not caring anything about us or our taxes - -just giving it away to any country and anyone who walked in here - even those who want to blow us up - THATS WHY NOBODY CARES.
Even if your not homeless, most new employment is either part time, zero hours contracts or freelance without holiday and sick pay. For those who haven't lost their jobs or homes, their pay is stagnant or, with inflation, falling. Taxes have gone up, rents have gone up, food prices have gone up and energy bills have risen. Poverty has increased to a point where thousands are having to use food banks. Meanwhile, the ones who control our newspapers and political parties, i.e the rich elite bankers, owners of corporations, financiers, investment managers, wealthy land owners are getting tax cuts and getting richer and richer.
We are moving forward into the past...keep voting for them people, its keeps THEM off the bread line.
Why dosent the estonian go back to estonia
Sorry but if they are immigrants not interested, no-one forced them to come here, go home!
Homelessness was endemic under Maggie Thatcher!! Then Labour re-housed them all, and now the Tories are repeating it all over again!! The nasty party plan is right on schedule!! The rich get a tax cut ... the poor become homeless ... and huge corporations get their taxes written off!!!
What a cheek, they not only take our houses they are even taking our caves!!! Send this useless prat back to his own country. If you cannot speak English, find work and then accommodation and feed yourself, then you have no place in this country - full stop.
Most of the social housing was flogged of in the 1980s for a few short term gains. Now we have a long term problem and no-one wants to tackle it.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good, KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28....................A good suggestion, and why not have some skilled trades people, even retired ones who want to do something useful with their time, to show some of the unemployed how to do some of the work and pass on some skills. Despite some of the past comments on here about the unemployed being feckless wasters, there are many of them who would jump at the chance of some hands on tuition to put them on the first step to a skilled trade. How do I know this? Because some of us don't sit on here moaning about the unemployment situation, we get off our backsides and try to do something about it, as the government are next to useless when it comes to retraining our own people.
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller". - ENGLISH1ST , EXETER, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:47................. Spelt or spelled is like I have just typed, and not 'spent'. Thanks because I did enjoy the irony.
What the hell is the situation going to be like when Half of Rumania and Bulgaria arrive here MR Cameron stop playing at politics get on and DO SOMETHING NOW BEFORE THE PROBLEMS HERE ARE SUCH THAT IT IS UNSOLVABLE STOP IMMIGRATION NOW
go back to estonia if you dont like it, im sure the benefit system there will have a mansion waiting for you
To a certain degree I agree with Crumbdinger , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:45, some people no matter what, will choose to live this way. However, if we stopped paying the professional benefit scroungers vast sums of money to sit on their backsides watching their huge 3D HD TV's then maybe there would be funds available to help those in desperate need. What else would help are tougher laws for all the illegal immigrants that are languishing in the lap of luxury either in centres or homes paid for by taxpayers. Once found illegals should be deported immediately, much cheaper, and less burden on our overloaded benefit system. Maybe this Tory government will bring in some much needed reforms, or then again maybe they will just bury their heads in the sand and hope the problems all go away.
Or, go back to the country you came from.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good , KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sorry, no more room at the Inn!!!
With an increasing unemployment rate, benefit and welfare cuts, this will be the reality of many people. When the people have nothing to lose, the only outcome will be violence.
What is 'squalid' about an 'existence in the wilderness'? We all loved like it once upon a time, and it certainly didn't do us any harm!
This is proof of how the benefits system is heartless towards childless people but pampers those with kids. Look at the benefitter woman who gets £2,600 per month and there was the other one who has a horse in stables, buys flying lessons at £155 per hour and has loads of designer clothes. Childless people do not have any right to a roof over their head, the so-called "Human Rights" laws are bogus because they don't give rights to all people as human beings, they just give rights to the favoured groups and the childless person is discriminated against - and it is legal!.
The 'success' that is the EU!!!!!!!
what do you expect when the unemployed can have their JSA suspended for weeks or months at a time on the whim of a desk-jockey?
Even if these sad people have to resort to living in a cave, there is no reason why they couldn't keep the area free of rubbish. There seems to be no shortage of plastic bags so why not keep valuables (?) or clothes in one or two of them and dispose of their rubbish in the rest. I doubt they would keep an apartment or house, if they were given one, clean.
William, Denton, United Kingdom, What do you do for a job that you are so confident that this will never happen to you! Your attitude is unbelievable ! There are people who are skilled for work but are being kept out of work - I have two top class degree from a time when these really were a marker of intelligence. I have worked for some of the most prestigious firms doing commercial work. I needed to stop the type of work I did which involved global travel and 70 hour weeks due to ill health. I want a less stressful council job but the local council within fifty miles ringfence all jobs for their own. They prefer to promote those with much weaker qualification and backgrounds rather than opening the vacancy to others. If I knew then what I know now I would have joined the public sector as a graduate - much easier life and overall the pay at least on a per hour basis is higher!
Can't stop immigration. Immigrants are the only source of income the Exchequer has left. How much is a slave registered with the World Bank worth nowadays?
DREADFUL ......problem is NOBODY really honestly cares anymore in this Country ....
Of course the relentless tide of immigration started by labour and largely continued by the present team has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Well city centre house prices have not increased. . These vulnerable people need shelter and there are plenty of empty flats in the centre.
People want to cut social security, yet hate seeing people homeless. Perhaps it's better if we increase social security spending, and tax the rich who squirrel their money overseas. Of course, you'd never get such a solution by voting Tory or UKIP. Just a thought...
During these critical times the Govt should seriously consider allowing a group of homeless men/women to get together and be given housing benefit to share one house. NOT ALL homeless are drunks or drug addicts - and incidently this needy group can go to sheltered accommodation and can get help if they seek it. The other half of homeless got there due to redundancies and unemployment and just need help to get their confidence and self respect back. I suggest that if these people have a track record of having worked up and until the critical point of being on the street, that they should be given this advantage. Unfortunately those who have never worked in the UK should not be included.
Whoever believes this is NUTS
How would he go on with a council house when he can't even keep his cave tidy
And still we let everyone in this country it makes me sick,
How did we manage to house so many immigrants including illegals when we already had so many of our own people homeless?
Please remember dear readers that this can now happen to you too. I became unemployed in January last year for the first time since leaving school in 1979. As a result, I could no longer maintain my mortgage repayments and was evicted in July of that year. My local council said that as a single man my only recourse was a hostel; a truly terrifying prospect for a 50 year old. I refused this and was told that I had therefore made myself intentionally homeless and that they had no legal obligation to house me. I spent 3 days sleeping rough in the grounds of a church just down the road from my repossessed home. I am slowly getting my life back together thanks to the kindness of my elderly neighbours putting a roof over my head. It does gall me to think those 33 years of working and paying taxes amount to nothing when you are in genuine need. I now know why there are an abundance of single mothers; the more babies you have, the more undeserved benefits you receive.
Simple solution send them all back home. They must have had a bed to sleep in over there. Anything is better than living of the streets......
William, Denton I cannot believe your comments that we should emulate America. The USA has 40 million receiving free food stamps, 10 million on disability out of a total population of 316 million. We also have over 2,250,000 people in prison who contribute nothing to society. You want to emulate this? This is a good role model. I don't think so!
Legacy of ' the streets are paved with gold'
So much money sent to other countries. Does not charity begin at home .
Nevertheless, it's a big step up from Estonia, where only the better off have caves and the remainder of the population sleep in the open, so more power to them for trying to better themselves by entering our wealthy country.
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.- Sandy Brown, London, 12/6/2013 11:35.......no, they will end up taxpayer funded housing benefit. EU law.
I have a friend who has disabilities but no children. She is too ill to work full time, but the government has decreed she is well and stopped any benefits. She is expected to live on just £70 a week without any kind of extras, such as housing benefit or reduced council tax. This is a woman who worked for over twenty years, faithfully paying her taxes, before she suffered from head injuries in a car crash. Only yesterday we had a single mother complaining that £2000 per month wasnt enough for her to live on. Perhaps if the state limited payouts to discourage breeding on benefits, there would be enough left in the state kitty to help those in genuine need through no fault of their own.
I like what he,s done with the place ,the green walls give it a very outdoorsy feeling ,air conditioning looks good and the just got out of bed after a party decor is really now ,,good effort and certainly will become a fashion icon over the next 20 years as more people belch at conventional,living ,,I can't,wait to see a bus stop when it's full potential is realised
My son is not permitted to bring his Mexican wife here until he earns above £18,000 a year, & they have had to live and work abroad, yet anyone from Europe can doss here on benefits with no job and no home. The situation is ridiculous.
Wonder where they have put their 42" plasma?
Disgusting in this day and age! What the hell is happening to this country we have got our priorities all wrong and don't mock these people because YOU COULD BE NEXT!
If Eastern Europeans are living in caves for a sympathy vote from the Uk they shouldn't get it. i suggest they go back from whence they came and stop wanting to live off the tax payers of the UK. The ONLY people we should be rehousing are UK citizens who through no fault of their own, have lost their home.
Another compelling reason to abolish Overseas Aid and use the money saved to eliminate problems such as this at home and at the same time restrict immigration fro the EU.
Whats wrong with caves?
watch the government don't hit you with moss tax my friend
P.S. to my earlier comment on the "caves". If I am correct It was possible to get from the "caves" to the air raid shelters that were dug out of the sandstone rock on the other side of the road. (Brinksway Road). i know this because my children used to play in them....Many is the time i have gone their with a torch to guide them back out. Now the council l have DOUBLE bricked the entrance to them 'cause of, yeah, you guessed it. The dreaded health and safety crap. Have fun.....
Those who refuse work? I have not even been offered any! Is it because I am 52 years of age? I am multi-skilled. All I can think of is it is down to ageism.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits. - William, Denton, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:13 What a foolish comment, from someone who has no idea how easy it is to end up homeless these days. How do you know whether these people have ever paid tax or not? There but for the grace of God, I hope you never find yourself in that position.
The man in the cave is described as Eastern European. This situation will only get worse as long as more and more immigrants continue to flock here. This is where the problem lies. The government is not doing anything to stop this appalling situation. Why should this country be obliged to house immigrants when there are already many British people who are homeless. If thousands of new affordable homes are built, where will they be built and who will live in them ? Not immigrants who come here expecting a place to live and benefits, I hope. We cannot go on and on building new houses, thus taking away our green spaces and countryside, every time the homeless rate rises, as it will never end as long as this immigration fiasco continues.
It may be acceptable for UK citizens,but Romanians will not accept this under any circumstances.
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?- Yvonne , West Midlands, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:33 - Answer - Because that would be too sensible for our Politicians!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller".
If anyone¿s confused on whose fault it is that these people live in a cave, I¿ll clear this up for you¿.It¿s their own??. Why is it the governments problem, tory or labour, that these people got themselves into this mess. Why is it the governments problem to get them out of it?? It¿s got nothing to do with the government failing these people, It¿s this attitude that the world owes you something, believe me the world owes you nothing, you are responsible for your own actions, If I lose my job, and for some crazy reason I can¿t get another, If I lose my house by some idiot decision I made, If I lose everything in my life and have to live in a cave¿all of this WOULD BE MY OWN FAULT. If people in Britain started taking more responsibility for themselves instead of blaming everyone else and living off hand outs we¿d not be in such a mess.
If these people were middle class, why did they not save for a rainy day?
Vote ukip at every opportunity for the sake of your family
oh well, as long we're still handing tax monies and housing to people who have contributed nothing and shouldn't be here then this is Ok.
Reading the comments on here actually make me feel a little bit sick. What happened to compassion for fellow human beings? For each of you that has made some sort of comment excusing the government for allowing this situation to happen or have have actually gleefully clapped your grubby little hands I sincerely hope and pray that you have some sort of epiphany and realise the poison that you are spreading! I'd love to say I hope the same happens to you... That say for example your partner dies, there are debts, you sink into depression loose your job and then house and then shiny possessions. I'd like to say that I hope that you are disowned by all you know and love as they find its easier to ignore peoples issues if you cant see them and that one day you are the one waking up in a shop doorway, or in a cave... I'd like to say that I wished that would happen to you, but I won't because I actually have a heart... I care... I won't just turn away from those in need. You disgust me.
Aren¿t the Tories great! Get this evil nasty Govt out now!
I feel sorry for many of those affected , living like that , but of course some of them only want help to buy booze or drugs. No doubt none of them are currently working, but what does it tell you when many of them can't be bothered to clear their own rubbish up.
Can everybody just stop voting Tory/Labout/Liberal. It's these political parties that together have caused the problem but everyone stil goes out & votes for them. Whats wrong with you all. Remember the 80's when everyone voted Thatcher in 3 times over - she sold off our social housing, created the culture of greed we have in the UK today, destroyed our industry, manufacuring & put millions out of work creating mass unemployment. Then along came Blair, who reversed none of her policies & allowed millions of immigrants to come into the UK fuelling homelessness/joblessness/pressure on our health & education services etc & what did everyone do voted him in again and again - 3 times over. The British people have it within their power to put a stop to the crazy merry-go-round of Tory/Labour/Liberal & their crazy policies that are destroying the Britain our forebears fought so hard to save during WW1/WW2 but you have all got to stop voting Tory/Labour/Liberal. Have you all got that now!
Don't let us follow America. It is bad enough that they have butchered our language, without having to follow them in non-empathy for their fellow man. There are good things that have come out of the USA, but not guns, greed and selfishness. That is my opinion.
people living in caves goes back to prehistoric times hence cave paintings!!!!!
Why have them living in caves? They should give them a ticket back to whence they came so they can tell others not to bother coming here.
No-one should have to live in a cave in modern day Britain but then is there any real need to live surrounded by the rubbish? I can never understand why anyone chooses to live with this amount of mess. It could all be simply scooped up and deposited in a bin or a skip. The bedding could be stowed until needed. If a cave is your home you could at least make it as pleasant as possible!
It Italy after WWII, destitute Italians lived in caves. They suffered horrendous health problems and some never saw daylight. Life in the caves was brutal, nasty, and short. This was known and sanctioned by local authorities then. I see things haven't changed much!
Homelessness should not happen in any case, but it's worse that people should be homeless in this day and age, especially when we live in an era where technology is advancing at an exponential rate, and when considering the UK is the worlds 6th biggest economy. Unfortunately it is happening because our Prime Minister does not give a hoot about the plight of ordinary people in the UK, might I add those same people voted him in, instead of helping his own people, the PM would rather give billions in foreign aid, and the EU, which we're not gaining anything from, in fact we're being bled dry. Instead of billions being turned over to foreign aid, the useless EU, it should be invested in regenerating empty housing estates, that way everyone will have a home and jobs will be created, in the meantime why not give the homeless static caravans to live in, as long as they're looked after, they're nice to stay in, I know, as I stayed in one, when on holiday in 1994.
Well done Westminster. you've all failed. If there was any accountability left in this country you'd all be out of a job.
"Let's cut benefits for those who refuse work" - David Cameron, 2010. Be careful who you vote for...
But we have room for thousands of immigrants???
These people not from UK need to go back home !!.. Its not our job to feed and house them. We get zero assistance abroad, infact ripped off and robbed is the norm for the British. Speak English and the price of everything shoots up !! We have a housing Crisis and We need to Build affordable low rent homes that accomodate single people. To be single and eat/ pay bills etc is now a massive struggle. Families always get help and Priority from the Benefits system. Lots of single people who need help also to be productive again. All those newcomers here who are jobless need to leave !!. You have no right to be here living off us. Go Back to your own country.
We should all do this but watch out if your heating your cave because the government will probably slap us in the face with moss tax or something
Anyone need a guide (free) to the said "caves" ? People who lived the Cheadle Heath areal know the "caves" were used as extra storage area for the 2 up 2 down (in a lot of cases 1up 1 down) houses built on top of them that were built in the 1790's,1800's , till the start of the clearance program very 60's. Stockport history museum in the market is a mine field of info. Have fun searching... I do
Have they not got there own caves
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth. - Martine, London, 12/6/2013 14:05 youre right - many of them are just thieves
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?
This is what our politicians have done to our country. I wonder if they're proud?
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
Buy to let culture is creating a new wave of homeless people. They would even let these caves if they could.
British caves are for British people.
So migrants get all the > Homes and Benefits whilst our > People sleep in CAVES or on the Streets.You must be Proud Cameron?
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE
Solution: take unused buildings, heat them, fill them with camp beds and basic kitchens and let the homeless stay there. There is no excuse for a country who can give fit, healthy people with 8 kids who are unemployed £500 a week, and not provide some basic shelter for the homeless. disgusting
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare?
He shouldn't even be here, we must be the only country in the world that lets foreigners in who cannot afford to support themselves. I wish we would kick Abu Hamza's family out of their luxury benefits £1million house and use the money to help British people. What kind of country does not look after their own people first?
these kinds of pictures should be used in dissuading foreigners from seeking their futures here...
And yet the DM is pushing to create more homeless with it's never ending assault on welfare...
This about the wool having been pulled over peoples eyes. Middle class professionals suchvas doctors, dentists, lawyers etc will never be left without an income stream. They will never be destitute. People who were conned into believing they were 'middle class' but do not fall into the true professional category are the ones who will come unstuck. Years of free and easy credit helped to fool these people into believing the were "affluent professionals". They weren't. The house, the car, the pension, the career - it was all just Labour smoke and mirrors. The doctors, dentists and lawyers are still living their middle class existence. If you're not, it's because you never really escaped the working class station in life you were allotted!
Disgusting! There's no help for them at all, homelessness is such a vicious cycle which you may never overcome! This country makes me sick, they despise us all!
Just fills me with sadness to see people living like this and STILL the immigration is out of control. How do other countries control people flooding their borders? We just seem to sit and let even more come in and the people that are living here are reduced to these conditions? UKIP I hope you are going to do something if you get in.
When there is homelessness like this in a country that is chucking money at career breeders, there is something radically wrong. Either you have to stop anyone entering England until those cave people have been taken care of or you sterilzie the career breeders on the welfare system. In the end, this sort of thing will bring the country to its knees. I can't understand the right of Europeans in the union to go anywhere in Europe and squat on the good will of the working Joe in another country.
No Human should live life like this, it's making of our politician round the world.
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own.
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control. - Craig, sheffield, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 11:53 ---------------- That's right, why not try to turn that cold, dark, wet environment into a proper little home. Cultivate a slug farm for protein and learn to 'cook' using moss. Then you're not going to mind being in the cold, dark grave you'll soon end up in.
There were people in these caves in the 1970's.
No job, no home. Times are hard and the only way we will recover is cutting higher rate taxes, withdrawing all benefits, and ensuring only those who work have the vote (or better only the rich should vote). As for these people, can not the police be brought in to move them out of the way, out of the caves? It is unsightly for those who might be walking in the area.
Why dosnt the man from Estonia go to his Embassy to ask for help...... cos he knows they dont give a figg,so why should we
They should be given council accomodation and given a chance to get back on track... but ofcourse OUR council houses are reserved for people drifting over on bits of wood.
Bring back the workhouse.
and while this is happening here, the government is still sending billions of pounds abroad. Sort out our own problems first, then try and fix everyone else's .
'Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.' What happen to the practice of saving for a rainy day, which many of us were taught or is the ethos today 'The tax payer will provide - I can therefore spend every penny I can get my hands on and more if I want to';
Maybe they should bring in more immigrants to fix the economy. I know, that's a ridiculous comment, but that's what the US government is trying to do.
Rather than telling the Romanians that it rains a lot over here in an attempt to stop them coming (?!), try putting up posters showing this. We will not automatically house you and give you benefits, you should only come if you have a job, health insurance and the will to fit in, otherwise stay where you are.
We need to nuke all of these countries - problem then solved for both they and us!
Maybe the government will 'cave' in and do something about it!
wow there are a lot of charitable souls commenting here. Firstly, those bags are mostly empty carrier bags, so to be sarcastic and say the poor chap has been to the sales???? Also...why is it someone's fault if they have a mental illness? this man is foreign so cant be given a home? Give him his travel fare back home then.None of you know this mans circumstances yet sit here judging him and making assumptions!! There are thousands of empty properties people like this man could live in but landlords greed stop them doing so. People would rather let a house fall into ruin and be knocked down before they let a homeless person have it.
YabbadabbaDooooo
Everyone here is saying 'the government should help' 'our country is too wealthy for this to happen', yet the majority of people here whinge about people on benefits and people needing that extra help to get back on their feet. So how can you whinge about a welfare and benefit system yet also whinge that more should be done for these people? You can't have it both ways.
The human race are vile specimens , the animal kingdom have more grace in taking care of their own.....Disgusting that people have to live like this, shame on those with an education to know better...Maybe if we educated hearts in the universities we might have a more human society....I would never hold my breath, because i learned a long time ago that people were the pits...
Gutless leadership, Monopoly money, run by the EU, pathetic truly pathetic.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits.
Where has all the compassion gone?These poor, poor souls are living in h3ll and you lot think its their own making .Perhaps a few but not all this is because of cut backs to benefits there are thousands choosing prison for a warm bed and food. You lot are ssso callous its frightening .One day this could be you.
This is NOT a normal downturn. Recessions run in cycles - up and down - but this is a structural one. Make no mistake, we're in trouble. More bad stuff to follow.
Maybe they should stay in their own countries
Is there any reason why the caves can't be clean and tidy or did the photographer just mess them up a bit?
They should go to dosser Park Lane London for some care and attention from the welcoming council down there.
Never mind the government, what happens to all the millions that are given to children in need and comic relief every year!
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
This island was made to appear like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow with charitable organizations and councils and government handing out money ,advice and homes ,well now the golden goose has been killed cooked and eaten and people will have to fight to keep what is theirs for their existence .Welcome to New Britain
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth.
screw all the aid we give to other countries n imigrants lets get this country and its people back on track first fk the EU
If the rubbish had been cleaned away and the place made tidy then there would be room for sympathy; as it is there simply isn't.
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god. - Mack., liverpool, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 12:54 This is new labours Britain not Cameron's
Wait 'til January !!!!!!
Welcome to England now kindly go back to Estonia, England is not the easy life you thought it was gonna be
We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrinking the middle class and leading to a growing underclass.
They could of course go home!!
Forgive me but why doesn't' t he just go back to his own country?
Oh well, at least we are sending hundreds of millions of pounds of tax payers money to developing countries...................
terrible to see
The big, dark secret here is usually drugs. Why won't they admit how many homeless folks use them? Harmless recreation? Not!
If this guy is an Estonian immigrant and is incapable of supporting himself, why is he even here? Why isn't this most basic check carried out on all imigrants? Why is his coming to UK and finding the streets aren't paved with quite so much gold as he expected, my problem? All these homeless immignats should be given a one-way flight home on a charted plane! That way they cease to be a UK problem. At least he has a cave, we used to live in a shoe box int'' middle of t' road!
Instead of building new 'affordable' homes that will undoubtedly be used as an excuse to take more of our decreasing green belt land - why can't they convert ruined factories or abandoned shops into homes for the homeless? Make use of what we have, instead of destroying more of what we haven't.
And the government still allow and encourage TAX AVOIDANCE schemes to enrich the lives of high earners and businesses... While many struggle their way through life paying full tax... And to add a further insult ... The government in their wisdom... Make it all LEGAL for these select few to avoid paying tax... CRAZY or what... Will you be voting at the next election for this to continue... Well people have for the past 25 years... Stupid lot aren't we... To put up with it and get conned so unjustly..... For so long....
It's still better than eastern europe!
This social experiment is not working. The whole thing is a disaster.
GET OUT OF THIS GOLD DIGGING EU!! SAVE OUR OWN PEOPLE FIRST, THEIR COUNTRIES HAVE A DUTY TO THEM SO LET THEM HELP THEM, NOT US. STOP THIS B/S NOW!! YOU'RE KILLING YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
Why should any one feel sorry for them, they come with nothing and expect every thing. life isn't like that no where to live that's the fault of the EU, go home Keith43/Ludlow
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god.
Nobody should be allowed in this country if they do not have the means to support themselves.
Most of the people who are homeless are immigrants. Exactly why should I have to pay for them if they do not have a job to come to and lack the skills to get one?? Their problem, not ours - they should have stayed in their own country.
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS
I know a lad that went to Citizens Advice Bureau to declare he was homeless. They told him since he was over 21, had no disabilities and no children to care for that there was nothing they could do for him. He lives with me now.
This is horrible, they will be forced to get jobs next?
load of rubbish. Nobody has to be homeless in our social benefits society. those who are are there are there through their own fault, usually alcoholism and mental illness where they are too proud to get help.
With a falling population we wouldn't actually need additional housing if it wasn't for mass immigration. The lefty liberals never mention these things, Britain would be far more sustainable if we let the population age ensuring jobs for the youth, housing therefore affordable and kept out immigrants ensuring the viability of our welfare system. Its a crock saying we need immigrants under any basis, liberals and the left think everyone is better than us (well them in reality) so we need to be controlled by Brussles and we need immigrants to save us from ourselves. Wake up and reclaim Britain for the British. CHARITY STARTS AT HOME.
apologies to the monty python sketch - YOU HAD A CAVE ??? - SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER LUXURY.
I am sorry for the people who are having to live rough. However, this person is not english - he has moved to england with no finances, no job offers etc. It is a very sad state of affairs - but was he homeless in Estonia?? Or has he left a home in Estonia to come and live in Manchester with the promise of cash in hand, no taxes and a free house on the dole??
he's got alot of shopping bags around him for someone who's apparently homeless - been at the sales dear?
"An Estonian huddles up in a cave" so not even a UK citizen! Bet half of the homeless are not UK citizens, so really shouldn't be our problem we need to spend "our money" on "our" people first not those who come into the country by choice. Red arrow away!!
Estonians cannot be given a home because they are homeless - They intentionally became homeless when they left the country they were born. 99% of those living in caves are not born or from the UK, they are from abroad, thinking the the UK pavements were paved with gold.
Dave boy get a grip and get this sorted and by sorted I mean stop letting people in this small Island that cant afford to be here ! They should not be here if they cant support themselves full stop , they must all go back to there own country, getting fed up with this soft touch rules we have here. Vote UKIP and get us out of this big mistake once and for all. FED UP TAX PAYER PAYING FOR OTHERS.
Put this picture on the gate of every border crossing to shoe immigrants we are skintight and full up. Charity begins at home then if enough left over give some out.
Nothing to do but still too busy to tidy up apparently.
Should use these pictures as promotional material for immigrants in Romania and Bulgaria intending to come here !
And this government is giving away billions in overseas aid. These people should be given help and prioritised over immigrants. Most homeless people who are given a helping hand turn into productive people who are a benefit both to themselves and society. I remember my mother used to say to me as a young child, never look down on a homeless person, most of them had successful lives until fate dealt them a bad hand. In other words in can happen to anyone, and she and I still believe that.
Nothing new about this if you travel you see type of thing in many 3rd world counties and in places like the states you find people living in cars and in London you see lots of people sleeping in boxes in door ways or under motorway bridges.
If the council cannot help this man then at least give the man his fare back to Estonia
we go halfway round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
Just heard on the news a conservative MP sounding off that they have reduced unemployment significantly, this is not due to jobs, this is due to vulnerable people having their JSA or disability claims stopped. Before you red arrow me I am all in favour of making people work but the ones who suffer first are those who are not able or savvy enough to manipulate the system. These are the ones who have had their benefits cut first cause they can't fill in forms properly or meet the "requirements", shameful on the government. I don't want to pay for anyone who can work, whatever nationality but to try to boast about falling unemployment is treating the public like they are thick,
Well this is what happens when you have an open doors policy and flood the country with non nationals who take out of the system, there is not enough left in the pot to look after your own. Cannot stand it when you all start bleating and crying, you only have your selves to blame for voting labour, lib, conservatives so you could get your grubby hands on working tax credits and in the same breath patronise people on the dole when you get more than them in credits.
What a great thing to see, while Council Official;s can earn up to 600000 a year for doing practically nothing ,and MPs want another 10 to 20 grand a year on top of all the fiddles and non jobs on the side they get up to. The Country is going downhill very fast indeed
my god - we go half way round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
I have NO sympathy for any of them. They HAD a roof over their head a sometime, what did they do to lose it?
Perhaps if we didn't hand out free houses then we would have more resources available to provide for OUR OWN PEOPLE when they're in need!
Has anyone stopped to think that many homeless people choose that lifestyle? Some are drunks, drug abusers, beggars and individuals with mental problems who have been failed by the system. With the plethora of benefits available for these people, very few are truly "homeless".
Hobos are kings amongst men whereas the lowlife comments here seem to better wasted on the subject of pink toys and why Samsung is better than crapple.
why is it with every news story - blame is put on immigrants?
Cameron's Britain.
Stop sending money to the bottomless unaccountable pit called the eu, close the immigration gates to everyone except those who can show ancestry here, and stop all aid as a beginning to solving the problem. Then, gather up all immigrants who are here to spout hate, and all criminals from other countries must be returned to their own country, now we've cleaned the country up a bit we Brits can start re-building our nation until we're great again, Oh almost forgot, JAIL ALL POLITICIANS WHO DELIBERATELY SOLD US OUT TO FOREIGN CONCERNS. Our only solution to this problem as for the past decades the big political parties are hell bent on sinking our nation VOTE UKIP and let's see if a new broom can sweep clean.
Couldn't these people have hundreds of billions of pounds? Ah no wait... that is reserved for foreign aid for Countries that have a better economy than ours.
So the homeless people are immigrants from another country??? One has to wonder why they chose to come here in the first place. If they are so poor then how did they afford the flight over? Maybe if these people worked a little harder and actually got a JOB then they wouldn't be homeless. I see homeless people on a regular basis who are always begging me for money. I don't give them any because strangely they can afford alcohol? I know the only thing they will use my money for is booze and drugs. Wake up and accept the reality people.
More of Labour's legacy...
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe???? - Graeme, Nuneaton. >>>>>>>>> So you got as far as the "Estonian" bit and then stopped. Idiot.
Billions in aid and nothing in the pot fo UK , Time you went Mr Cameron your not fit for purpose
GO HOME THEN
The blue wrapper on the floor is from a syringe
Such a sad story, especially for our own British born people. Yet the government splashes billions on worldwide charities etc, the bankers are still allowed to take home MASSIVE paycheques, the main companies in the ul are stripping the wealth out of the economy and not putting the tax back in. Seriously where did it all go wrong??
So people have left their home in another country to come to the UK, not a very wise idea as it is making themselves intentionaly homeless. It's their choice.
this is certainly unacceptable, but on the subject of them sleeping in "filthy, rubbish strewn caves", surely this is their own making? it is their rubbish. they have polluted their own environment. It sounds like these caves are full of the usual homeless losers. Give them a reasonable home and in no time at all they will have reduced it to the same level as these caves. We read this week about the guy that was making £200 a day begging outside a bank somewhere. There is money available to almost anyone that gets off their butts and goes after it, even if their only skill is to hold a badly written cardboard sign.
The great unwashed will always be with you, fact.
I suspect a story that our government would like to hide. Well it's out now, but then, only the MPs and the blind would be unable to see the reality of government cuts in our once decent country. When people are being found dead in these caves in the winter are we supposed to be happy ?
Why doesn't he go home to Estonia if it is so bad. I expect he would rather live in the cave in the hope of being given a free home here. It's ludicrous.
mm homeless and destitute but rich enough to leave half empty tins of food on the floor and condoms?? And that sure is a nice camp bed he's sitting on!!
Under the EU Social Charter it stipulates that migrants have a "Right" to housing.. We have our own responsibilites yet, potentially, we need to house everyone who arrives.. Madness..
This is in no way new... from the caves in Nottingham which were used as homes, (Now under Broadmarsh Shopping Centre), to caves on the Great Orme in Llandudno, to the crypts of St James Cemetery in Liverpool. The problem is that the NIMBY's don't want these people cluttering up their scenic weekend walks, report it to the Police, who come along and turf these people out - but to where? I've always found it heartbreaking that there are so many people in the world who just want to pretend these people don't exist - they're still human after all, just in bad times. A cave may not sound appealing but its a lot better than an alleyway or doorway, especially in the rain! These people need help, not castigation, maybe with the benefits reforms we are now seeing there may be some money there to help the people who really are in need of it, rather than those who want luxury items such as big-screen tv's with no intent of earning the money for it themselves.
Note the lights and needles on the floor.... UKIP will sort it out.
To ease the housing shortage, one could always stop immigration into the Country.
Not one pence of foreign aid should be given until we take care of our own people.
Disgraceful when our own countrymen have to live like this and yet a foreigner with his 12 member family gets a £1m+ 8 bedroomed house courtesy of the tax payer. Why isn't the government doing more to help these people? It shouldn't be just up to Comin Relief or other such charities to help them!
TOUGH. .
The Estonian man shouldn't have come to this country if he didn'tt have enough money to support himself....don't try and blame the government!!!!
Another effect of out of control immigration. VOTE UKIP!
THIS PICTURE IS DEVASTATINGLY SAD. IT SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IT IS DISGUSTING. LOOK AFTER YOURE OWN PEOPLE FOR GOD SAKE NOT EVERY OTHER COUNTRIES. SHAME ON YOU.
We need more social housing, especially housing that reflects the modern family, often a family of one. Tenants are being force out of their family homes because of the bedroom tax because there are no smaller properties for them to move tom. A society is judged by its poor.
The important words are "An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport" ..... so why does he not go back to Estonia ???
I'm not a Brit, obviously! But come on, "a certain someone" needs to help his own people out instead of opening the border and sending $$ to other countries. Those photos are absolutely heartbreaking, no one deserves to be homeless. It's ridiculous how you guys have so many folks from Eastern Europe living on benefits yet "a certain someone" can't help his own people out...:/ Just my opinion. Fight for your rights!
And we provide luxury homes for preachers of hate, lavish benefits for all across the EU Dictatorship - with millions more to come in the new year. It is OBSCENE.
When we lived in't cardboard box.........
Can i respectfully ask that every newspaper in Romania,and Bulgaria print this story in their papers,and if your people still want to come to prosperous Britain then at least they know what to expect .....Of course theyll still come its already better then what theyve got...and lets face it it will only be temporary,untill they get their new free house and benefits VOTE UKIP and stop any more coming
No wonder mancs are so obsessed with Liverpool - it takes their mind off living in manchester.
It's not Liam is it....
During World War II , many Londoners flocked to Chiselhurst cavies in South East London to take refuge from the bombs that were dropping all over London. You can still visit these caves today. Many people/families lived down is those caves throughout the war - bunks were set up, together with a medical centre and a theatre, where they put on plays and entertain themselves. Perhaps now in these times of austerity and government cuts, the caves could be used once again to provide accomodation for the homeless, we could have Royalty or our Prime Minister go and open them and they could then proudly announce to the world, "This is how we deal with homelessness in modern Britain". Its called the "Big Society".
They know where the exit is....
We haven't got much chance when we are having to cope with the homeless from other countries too
Hope it's a one bedroom cave,otherwise this government will tax it
Why should the authorities help homeless Eastren Europeans? Surely any Eastern European, who becomes jobless should make his/her way back to his/her home country & not rely on UK charities to help them.
If the ones from Eastern Europe are homeless over here why don't they go back to their home in Eastern Europe instead of being a burden over here?
show them a job and they will leave the cave, fast.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick.
I hope the council is harrassing them for council tax. this is blatent tax evasion
It's obvious what the problems are. Let's all stop pretending we hadn't seen this coming way back when Blair and his cronies were singing 'Things can only get better' and opened the doors wide to ensure they stayed in power.....they need a new verse to that song ......'and then they get worse'....Worse is obviously the new Better as we are supposed to think these changes to our native country are just great, exactly what we wanted, and why didn't this happen sooner it's such a blessing? Could they really have believed that the economy would not tank? I don't know how some people sleep at night.
This is really terrible for these vunerable people the Tories are getting what they want people begging for food,next slavery will be introduced,all politicians want to hang their heads in shame because this is what is happening to our once great country poverty for the masses is the Tory manifesto for 2015
The answer like the lady from Crisis says is to build 1000s of affordable homes, we all agree this would go someway to solving the problem except no one wants one of these 'new council estates' anywhere near them. Welcome to the 21st Century Britain a country that hates hypocrisy and malthusianism.......In others.
We are a rich country and have people living like this. I would give me great pleasure to sack the dim-witted.
If you're looking for someone to blame, look no further than Brussels.
It's probably likely that everyone is one wage packet from being homeless.
The result of unfettered immigration. No-one should be allowed into the country unless they have a job or a means of supporting themselves. Maybe that man would be better off returning to Estonia?
Don't have children unless you can reasonably expect to provide a home for them (with you) if they fail to fend for themselves. With no sensible employment history you shouldn't be allowed to have more than two children (I peronally don't think you should be allowed to have any you can't support (unless you are an ill or disabled special case) but I suppose we are too far down the line of 'Human Rights' for that ever to come to pass. Don't expect someone else to pick up the pieces resulting from your thoughtlessness and greed, genuine needy cases excepted. It's too easy to live on benefits it would seem. There our politicians are to blame.
Some people themselves prefer the open air and nature in the raw to being cooped up indoors---Yes it IS true If caves are not damp--they are good to be in and keep a fairly constant temperature---warm in the winter and cool in the summer---Definitely not everybody's cup of tea for a myriad of reasons but communion with nature has been and still is practiced by a significant percentage of populations--not just the down and outs as this article puts out
Just keep sloshing our money abroad...plus those scrounging coming here. Don't get me started!!!!!
Go back to Estonia then........
People living on the streets is bad, but maybe, in this particular case, the homeless Estonian man should go back to Estonia where he probably has family
These are the pictures that potential migrants should see before they come.
Dreadful state of affairs. How come some people can get everything, 6 bedroom houses, loads of money from the government, free school meals etc etc and there are people homeless. Surely it is all out of proportion and nobody should live like this. I know some people don't help themselves and have addictions and cant get work, but even so they are humans not animals.
This has been common knowledge to Stopfordians for years.It has always been used by drug and alcohol users. It is sad, but not due to current Govt legislation.
Never mind eh, you all turn a blind eye because you think everyone but you is a benefits scrounger, its all been done in your name, sit back watch it all happen, its what you wanted after all, we could ask for it to be televised, the new big brother, make it a spectator sport, and you are all only one step from this.
There are single people occupying 2 and 3 bedroomed council houses.
Camerons Britain, the rich get richer everybody else gets poorer.
This is all very bad, but 2 things: Why do they have to fill the place they are living with litter? Why not put it all in a bag and take it to a bin next time they walk out? And - 'Half empty tins of food'. I would never waste half a tin of food! It would get eaten at the next meal or whatever. And I am sure the temperature in the cave isn't so hot that it will go off in a matter of hours!
They should at least keep it clean, build a fire, sleep on animal skins, make bone tools...
And there are still more queuing to get into the country, what is going to make our politicians come to their senses?. I personally have lost faith in all three parties,none of whom can tell where the truth finishes and the lies start, that is why they have spin doctors.
We are one of the richest countries in Europe and we have people living in caves. Time to sack some people.
Balderdash. I bet they are middle-class left-wingers looking to complete a narrative on the heartless government. There are hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who live under roofs.
Well I hope it isnt a two-bedroomed cave buddy, because the good old treacherous UK Governments will happily shaft you again for that.
Squalid: An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport that is strewn with rubbish and filth. For him it is home: Where he is living he cannot help, the filthy condition it is in, he most certainly can. I have been in cave and dug-out homes all over the world. Most of them were cleaner than the average hospital ward... oh, not good comparison... cleaner than the average professional kitchen!
Theres a very simple solution. Go back to their home countries where there friends and families live. Dont expect me to pay for every economic migrant down on his luck.
and Abu Qatada carries on living in his mansion with his missus plus his 6 kids. Hamza's wife is still here with his kids in accommodation. Billions of pounds wasted on a new BBC centre, this is disgusting, totally got priorities wrong.
Shame on democracy where people live even worse than commie China. Shame!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
And of course we are all in it together.
"Homeless men and women are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" The Food Bank at Christchurch in Dorset (an area not exactly famous for it's poverty and high unemployment) has just moved its distribution centre to a warehouse because demand has doubled in the last 12 months. Ditto the Food Bank in Oxford (ditto my 'poverty' comment). But - How can this be, when our Unelected Leaders tell us that "Average earnings are 1.3% up on the previous year - up by 3.3% in April alone"(!), "Jobseeker's Allowance claimant figure fell by 8,600 in May compared to the previous month" and "The number of benefits claimants is at its lowest level in two years". So it's 'Spend! Spend! Spend!' for everyone!
Homelessness is an utter disgrace in a civilised society, however, it the Estonian man has arrived from Eastern Europe, without the means to house or feed himself or get a job then he should go back home. Immigrants should not be coming to Britain with the expectation that they will be provided at taxpayers expense with a home and benefits, having never contributed anything in tax or national insurance. We should however be looking after our own people, who as a result of being flung out of work thro no fault of their own but due to the governements austerity measures and cuts are now loosing their homes. After all they have paid their tax & national insurance contributions and should now be protected having fallen on hard times. The blame lies clearly with the Politiicians who have allowed and continue to allow uncontrolled immigration and there will be even more homelessness when the Roumanians & Bulgarians arrive, expecting to freeload off Britain.
only the begining,a lot more to come looks like the tories are getting what they want,and thats houses for the immigrants while brits live in caves what a disgrace,three party's to blame not one people must vote ukip.
Just because you live in a cave doesn't mean you have to have rubbish everywhere.
In the meantime everything budget is being cut apart from the foreign aid budget. This is just so wrong, help YOUR OWN people FIRST.
Due to mental illness I lost everything & was homeless for approx 10 mths. Sleeping mainly on the streets, I usually sat up all night and dozed. It was safer to sleep on a bench during the day with people about. I would often sleep behind shops having first collected clean cardboard out of the bins to lay on. I was very scared and often sat all night in the foyer of the local police station when a certain desk officer was on he would make me a cup of tea...bless him, but then I would need the toilet so I would walk across the town centre to the 10p toilet. I always had 5 x 10p's for the toilet during the nights, days I would use shop toilets. I would wash in any toilets I could during the days and try to stay clean. I remember the day 'I came back' mentally and managed to sort my benefits & book into a cheap B&B, then an hostel, bad times. Prior to those bad times I was a professional worker and lived in a beautiful house with all the 'trappings' - it can happen to anyone!
Once upon a time those caves would have been the height of luxury. With a few changes, such as willow screens, bracken for a mattress, a cooking fire etc it could be ok for a while. Obviously not in winter and no doubt the location is not ideal, and the marauding kids a threat, but if people wanted to improve their surroundings they could start by picking up their own litter and taking some pride in themselves. If it was me I would make the most of the situation.
No wonder so many Brits left for overseas. I think commie China is good destination where people are much better off.
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010... - snowonthebeach , London, 12/6/2013 11:39.......................even more Eastern Europeans came over here, sold a pup of a dream of money and jobs. Most towns have small encampments around them it seems now, tucked away out of site and to a man or woman) the residents are Eastern European and for that we have to blame, not thank, Labour and Gordon Brown and Tony Blair in particular
They'll be adding council tax on to those soon.....
SHAMEFULL.
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe????
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
Just because you are living rough in a cave does not mean you should not keep the area clean and tidy .If this is your "home" for a while then make it as comfortable as possible and as clean as possible.No money does not mean you have to live in squalor it simply means you have to try and survive as best you can.
Simply put ... No Way ! George Osbourne tells me everything is OK despite austerity based cuts. That's good enough for me. The must be made up ... I mean .........
This is totally unacceptable, British people should NOT be existing like this and until the ever-increasing numbers of immigrants who expect to be housed, clothed, fed etc., is dealt with NOTHING will change any time soon. When are 'the powers that be' going to wake up to the dire straits we're in? [and it's going to get worse]. There are FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE in this Country - something we've all known for years
At the risk of pointing out the blindingly obvious, stop letting people from other countries in here who cannot support themselves, and that most definatly means other EU countries. And concentrate on housing people of this country, because one thing is for sure, we dont have a big enough cave system to support the rush of poor people coming from Romania and Bulgaria
These cave dwellers must be native Brits. No illegal immigrant would be allowed to live like this would they Mr Cameron/Clegg/Blair / Brown/ New Labour ?
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
And our Foreign Aid budget is growing by one billion a year? How can Mr. Cameron justify this?
He does not have any visible means of support and is unlikely to be a job seeker, unless he is writing "Cave near Stockport" as his address on his applications!
And do the likes of Cameron, IDS, Clegg etc care? What a silly question, of course they don't! They are too busy lavishing it up at our expense.
The EU has equalised all the states of Europe (except perhaps for the German state!) so that we have our share of abject poverty as well. Can't say I like living here any more.
'the caves are currently occupied by an Estonian man' - I have a suggestion, why doesn't he try Estonia? This article is littered with big percentages, all of which are meaningless without an actual number. We all know that most homelessness is caused by adiction or mental illness and until we tackle those issues this situation will continue no matter how much additional accommodation is created.
Better in caves than on the streets!
These people are not our problem and the government should be concentrating on homeless British people first and foremost
How can they afford condoms?
But Dave Cameron is so proud to be sending billions of aid abroad.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 12:29 If you read the article the person mentioned as living in the cave was Estonian and the project manager for the charity said there were an increasing number of East Europeans among the homeless-
Wake up and smell the coffee Camoron this is the reality as to what is happening in the streets and cities' of Britain. Stop squandering OUR hard earned money on YOUR pet project's in foreign countries many of which have nuclear arsenals and space programs. Stop the myth that we are a rich and prosperous country we are in fact BANKRUPT and only get by by borrowing BILLIONS of pounds. Vote UKIP and get rid of these out of touch rich boys.
Help our own first! Estonia and Eastern Europe?? What are they doing here?
"half empty tins of food" ??? fussy or just not hungry ?
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 Did you not red the article? He is an immigrant from Estonia who arrived a few weeks ago. If the council gave him a house you would no doubt be complaining about that too!
I honestly thought the council had a duty of care to house people even if it was in emergency bed and breakfast. How else do all these people including immigrants get given properties in Westminster and the like. What are the rules if you lose all your money, you can't go looking for a job dressed in cloths you slept in so they can't claim job seekers, if they have a disability they couldn't stand the cold and damp so that rules that out. If your spending any benefit you do get on Drink and Fags then it's your lifestyle choice, but you can't just sleep rough anywhere near a public place as they are in Park Lane much to the amazement and amusement of nearby residents,shops and Hotels. They must be moved on or better still removed from the country because they are not seeking jobs and a better life they just want a free meal ticket and are making a nuisance of themselves until they get it. This government is pathetic and will be replaced in 2015 i only hope it's UKIP/BNP not Labour.
There are lots of people wanting to blame the government, but over the past few weeks this paper has proved that a huge swath of homeless people are Romanian gypsies. Then there are the "homeless beggars" who pack up their begging bowls every day and go home to their houses to count their takings for the day. Let's not forget the junkies who have fallen into this sort of mess through their own stupidity. Few people are homeless because of the economic situation, most are there because of drugs, booze, alchohol and crime. The vast majority of them are on some form of state benefits so why on earth are we supposed to shed tears for them?
three years of tory rich boys ,and the poor are living in caves ,can you see a pattern?
Why are we allowing this? There's more than enough money to put them up in a hostel and help them find jobs. The fact they can wake up to having their sleeping bag set on fire with them in it is astonishing.
It is only filthy because they make it that way...if they cleared their rubbish instead of leaving the mess for others to clean it would make it a bit more pleasant! No excuses!
Thanks to this hellish government's welfare policies the situation is set to become infinitely worse.
I'd take a cave over a cardboard box any day of the week!
Trying to get a place is a nightmare first rip off agencies who wont even consider anyone unless you pay them money up front even then you are not gauranteed a property happened to me didnt get my money back either..its all about money i went to my local council but was told it is not their problem when you are homeless life is extremely hard and people judge you because of it
Building new homes for immigrants while our own live in caves. Then we send 12 billion abroad for charity. As our national deficit sits at 120bn a year and the interest is over 60bn a year.... Makes sense cameron? We want our country back!
Yet the can give away Billions away on foreign aid when it could be used at home.Wonder if that makes CaMoron Proud to be british.
I cannot help to say some people are simply lazy, unwilling to work anything.
I"ve got a great idea how to alleviate the cronic housing shortage in Britain......Invite hundreds of thousands of migrants to come and live here!!.....oh,they"ve already done that.
A poor state of affairs.Stop sending aid to countries that don`t need it. What I don`t understand though, is why in all these sort of stories, you read that they are littered with half-empty tins of food, filthy clothing and condom wrappers.They could put their litter in a plastic bag and drop it in a litter bin.They are only making matters worse for themselves.
So the plans of Dave Giddy and IBS the epitome of Conservative self interest greed and ignorance is working then DM ? What a ghastly triumvirate they are.
And with the new bedroom tax even more will end up homeless. My husband and I want to downsize but there are no one bedroomed properties available to us within 60 miles of where we live until we both reach 55.... as my husband works, he would have to leave his job and I care full time for my 90 year old mother, so thats not an option. So when we get evicted because we cannot find the extra £100 a month we are now charged, we will be in the same boat as these poor people.
wen u turn to drugs - alot turn homeless
But these are the sort of people who cannot even keep a cave clean. Why does he surround himself with filth instead of moving it away. Even stone age people had a midden. Most animals deposit their waste away from the area in which they sleep.
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29" You are seriously out of date. 20 years of corrupt, inept government has turned a wealthy nation into a bankrupt one. More people will end up on streets, especially if this government does not stop immigration and does not do something constructive to restart British industry.
Unsurprising when the government is stopping peoples benefits.
A lot of homelessness is caused by alcohol/drug abuse and mental illness rather than a lack of benefits. With JSA and Housing Benefit, however meager , (Unless you have 9 kids and are reaping it in) there is no reason people should be sleeping on the streets. We need to tackle the mental issues and substance abuse issues. Sadly, a lot of Charities have lost their way. The Big Issue started with noble intentions and for the first part of it's life did good and really helped a lot of people with issues. No, Sadly, it has lost it way. Of the 8 Big Issue sellers in Reading I know that at least 6 of them at living in Housing Benefit paid flats and receiving benefits. That is not "homelessness" and the Big Issue need to total overhaul their vendor program if they want to get back "on mission"....
If you live in a cave you don't have to live in squalor. Just clean it up. Fancy leaving empty tins etc all over the place. Why don't the immigrants go back home then? It can't be worse than being homeless here.
Charity begins at home!
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk, 12/6/2013 11:39.....No! We should have proper housing for all Brits who have paid into the system!
Give them the homes that we give illegal immigrants to live in. These people are British born after all, aren't they?
And those of us who are forced to private let because we can't get our own place are being bled-dry be landlords. 2/3rds of my wages go on rent. Been on the waiting list for 13 years and offered nothing as i see new flats being built and our " neighbours " filling them. I actiually hate Britain and if i could i would be our of here.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago" - Does that not suggest he is not here officially?
The 1% will be ok.. they always are!
If they dont like it they can go back home again.Simples. No one asked them to come here
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets." Do we BB? Are you aware of this country's crippling debt? We are deeply in the red yet we continue to give millions to foreign aid to give the world the impression to we can actually afford to be so generous. We have an NHS that is all but disappearing, a coffer that has much more taken out of it than is put in and people who habitually abuse the system and that includes the bankers. I have to ask though why on earth immigrants would come to this country only to end up living in a cave? Surely better to live in a cave in one's own country? This country is in crisis, not just economically but morally. We have people managing multi million budgets who should not be allowed to manage a petty cash tin and local authorities that squander our money on their own expenses. A complete overhaul is needed but who has the minerals to do it? Not the current government and certainly not labour who created this mess
Take a look at many of londons parks and green spaces and you'll see groups of european men,every day,getting drunk. Often sleeping where they fall unless the Parks Police kick them out. Sorry,but look at the empty bottles in the pictures. Take responsibilty for your actions,rather than playing the victim card then expecting the UK to pick up the pieces by clogging up our A&E departments 24/7.
This is the inevitable consequence of de-industrialisation. There are fewer jobs for low-skilled workers, which has created a multi-generational class largely dependent on state handouts. When the state finally runs out of other people's money (as is inevitable in the long run), those who are dependent on it because they have neither the skills or the upbringing to find work are left destitute. It doesn't help that successive governments have treated it as something that will solve itself, so it's festered. It will take a long, long time to fix this problem, if it can be fixed at all.
All they have to do is become a racist spouting cleric and then they will get free accommodation and all the other perks. Surely we can do better for these people. How about the church steping in to help?
So, clean the cave and area up, stop drinking beer and spending funds on condoms. Go to charity shop and buy clean clothes. You don't have to live in filth! Red arrows to follow! Maybe red arrow users could take some of these people in and give them a spare room.
And who has littered the cave with half empty food tins?
The Rich get richer by exploiting the poor, but the Rich always have an excuse why they need to take more money from the Poor. Solution, we must destroy the Rich and take back what was stolen, by lies trickery and deceit.
WHat on Earth is going on in our country when immigrants can get housing and benefits, but our own people cannot? Give the properties to our own first. This is a total disgrace!
"Homeless people are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" Thank you so much, New Labour, for the unrestricted immigration.
The charity behind this article (the Wellspring) say that they help the homeless, but guess what? they don't provide a single bed. Perhaps your reporter could ask them why they can't even put one homeless person up, despite having assets and income of over half a million pounds?
Hmm "charities" .......no such thing in this country , do you mean massive corporate charities that we have in this country , with massive salaries and millions in bonuses with HQ's in London , its just another scheme to syphon off public money into private privileged hands with the added bonus of all the tax breaks etc that goes with being registered as a ""charity"
Cameron and Clegg's ConDem UK - expect more of same with rich getting richer off the backs of the poor - including those working for starvation wages.
Tory Britain 2013 ... Was the same in the 1980's and STILL people vote for them. Am sure your 'fair minded' readers will have no problem with this though !
These people deserve no sympathy, they can't even keep a cave clean. Whatever one's circumstances, there is NO excuse for living in squalor.
Forced?
Take a good hard look David Cameron, this is your Britain - you're a disgrace to be letting this happen
Shambolic, the options facing these people would be hostels or shared accomdation, often with drug users and general scumbags.
Those photographs should be made compulsory to hang on the walls of our party leaders and bank officials, who receive multi-million pound bonuses, to serve as a daily reminder of their greed and the mess they have caused to our once great country. !
Without all the immigrants, legal and illegal, there would be homes for all the Brits. Close our b orders and have a big kick out = criminals and hate preachers first and then the rest. Homes and jobs first for those born and raised here.
Homeless man from Estonia? Sorry, but if they can't support themselves to clothe, feed and house themselves then they should be packed off home. It shouldn't come down to our government to had everything out on a plate. We have quite enough
Homeless immigrants... Thanks Tony!!!
This simply should not be happening in this day and age. I can't nvisage the situation getting any better once the Border Controls are relaxed next January.
I don't understand how poeple can be homeless when there's so much of the British population who do not work for a living and receive free homes and benefits and they don't even have to be Brisith born...
About time you all protested.
Not buyin it sorry... Evidence of drug abuse scattered all around him... Addiction is not a disease, you can't catch it.. Just saying
Sorry, but nobody is forced to live anywhere.
How many millions are squandered on foreign aid, legal aid, interpreter fees and benefits for non UK citizens, plus Afghanistan which I might add is the world largest producer of heroin, the issue is easily solvable, along with the Austerity programme
Well where else would "homeless" people live, in "homes"??
And this will only increase when the stupid government open the flood gates. They are just not bright enough to see what will happen. But they don't care because they have filled their own pockets will overflowing wealth, and as soon as it is election time, they will disappear like the other lot did like rats leaving a sinking ship.!!! an anagram of B liar comes to mind Come on UKip give it a go.!!!
so this is Tory Britain!
This is nothing to do with immigration or the councils it harks back to the days of Thatcher and her selling off council houses and then denying the councils right to replace them, since then no government has helped with a Social Housing building project, now this corrupt and unelected government is not only failing to build the thousands of Council houses needed but is giving billions away to build private houses for sale to the affluent, building council houses is not only a darned sight cheaper, but gets employment going again and gives a much needed boost to the economy with the added bonus of more rents coming in and other companies needing more employees for peripherals to be manufactured which in turn leads to wages that will be spent on washing machines, carpets, etc making more companies employ more people with more wages to be spent meaning other industries pick, why is it that it seems that politicians seem to have their brains removed upon entering public service?
A high percentage of these people are drug addicts or alcoholics.
The difference between these people and most of us is we forced ourselves to get an education and jobs. I believe everyone has the capacity of rising to their own level of competence and to deny this means we are being arrogant that others can't do this for themselves. I was homeless, so I can say it can be done if you are determined without any help from the government.
Most of the unfortunates are not UK born probably EU so why not give them their fare back home as UK let them in without proper documentation checking!
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
I hope the cave does not have a spare chamber, otherwise the government will make them pay bedroom tax on it.
And they still have a open borders policy. This government is as determined as the last to sink this country and cause more problems.
--------------we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk -------------------Why can't we stick those who shouldn't even be in this country in to little pods and giv
Get used to it !There will be no state pension or welfare within 25 years time . A fundamental shift is taking place .....
The homeless immigrant problem is very easily solved just give them the plane fare home. As they will no doubt have any money because the people trafficas will have cleaned them out. Surely that would be far better than living on the streets. Sadly we don't have enough houses to give them a roof over their head. We can't house our own British citizens. If these people were re-patriated they get to go home, we get a true picture of British homlessness andhopefully the true figures can then be dealt with accordingly. As it is the sheer amount of new homes it would take to house both the immigrant homeless and our own would just be big for any government tackle.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, Don't you know that councils have NO housing responsibility for single people or even couples without children, unless they are categorised as 'vulnerable' because of age, mental or physical illness etc. Properties tend to go to some immigrants because they have large families and that is the main criterion of need. Rather than accusing immigrants of causing this situation, the result of government policy (which tells us that the homeless are "scroungers" who can easily find jobs), we should instead be investing money in building a whole new swathe of social housing in towns and villages across the country. Capital investment like that would not only provide those in desperate need with somewhere to live but revive the economy.
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
what sort of devil child sets fire to a sleeping bag with someone in it ... that horrified me as much as the headline. Why arent these children in bed !
And yet immigration from Eastern Europe continues to rise!
Remember "we're all in this together"? Funnily enough though I don't see Cameron, Clegg, Osbourne -or ANY MP living in a cave, do you?
Immigration, UK and Homeless all in the same story, clean your cave up and have some pride. it's only messy cos they have allowed it to be like this. Would they live in a house and allow it to be like this. I had nothing in the early nineties and was never without at least a roof over my head due to the support of the social services. You can lead a horse to water but if it doesn't want to drink it won't.
Why are we continuing to let in immigrants when we can't house all our existing population? It doesn't make sense.
Look what has happened to our great Britain. Unless someone with some TRUE BALLS OF STEEL can lead us, give the country a big kick up the a*se and REALLY sort things out, we are DOOMED! I fear it may be too late as it appears we are already a 3rd world country.
So when you say that Britain has a homelessness problem, why use an Estonian man as an example? He can go back to his own country if he doesn't like it here.
Why is the person in the cave deliberately hiding his face? has he spent his benefits on drugs and booze so can't afford a room or is he on the run from the law, gangs or family.. Or maybe he is a model just posing in a picture to raise the profile of the charity? Just doesn't ring true to me!
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
We have weapons of mass destruction we have to address , Poverty is a weapon of mass destruction , Homelessness is a weapon of mass destruction , Unemployment is a weapon of mass destruction .
New world order has arrived, this isnt the HALF of it
"estonian man arrived weeks ago" nice one cameron and co. keep em coming and pushing us into the dark ages
Send him back to Estonia.
how much does it take to make these people see they were better off from whence they came?
Governments need to control immigration, force banks to start lending money, ensure that large companies pay their fair share of corporation tax...............well that's a start....... Why is it that governments have no idea how to run a country? If I ran a country, any country, there would be no such thing as debt! That's how I have always lived my life so running a country should be no different!
So this government is not taking us back to the 19th century, it is taking us back to the Stone Age.
Where are all the youngsters living in caves with their parents going to move to, if the middle class homeless are taking all the available caves? It'll be hovels next!
You'd be lucky to find a cave like that around here.
i think you will find that someone from Estonia is NOT a UK resident. illegal immegrants do seem to be coming into the country and sleeping rough sometimes. maybe they should have to show they have somewhere proper to live before they are allowed in. its not down to UK charities to house immigrants of any description.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
This Estonian man could surely live in much better conditions in....er......Estonia?
how large does the population have to get. before we slip into third world status
this is not a country that doesnt care and that doesnt support people in need - as we the taxpayers have found to our cost. I dont believe these people are in caves because they have been turned down from the many charities and goverment funded organisations that are there to deal with the homeless, unemployed etc. Stop making me feel guilty i have contributed enough since 1982 when I first started working (and at one point at two jobs paying tax twice!) - no doubt when i require a nursing home, hospital bed or even the state pension I would be entitled to draw when I finally am allowed to retire all monies will have all been swallowed up taking 'care' of people who didnt take care of themselves or their own in the first place..
Why are we paying for all these MPs? I would rather halve their number and give the money to homeless charities.
yet another 500,000 will come into the country next year and increase homelessness and unemployment and drain our services even more. complete and utter madness
Close Britain's borders and stop flooding our country with broke, prospectless people who have nowhere to go and no resources except those they can leach from hardworking British taxpayers. It's not rocket science. Taking the current status quo to it's logical conclusion half the world's poor will end up in Britain, our country will be a slum, British people will have paltry access to the overstretched services & housing they have paid for all their lives, all the while paying out more in taxes to cover ever increasing welfare handouts, and our countryside will be built over to house the world. Dear God, someone with a brain and some balls please come and take charge of Britain. UKIP is the only solution I can see.
Cameron, Osborne, Clegg and all their 'mates' will not see articles such as this, and for certain will not stoop to read readers' comments - the UK is experiencing the same government rhetoric as the US - the mainstream media fails to publish the real conditions experienced by far too many of its citizens. Rubbing salt in the wounds of these poor homeless and largely ignored people are politicians who dispense massive financial 'aid' to countries which do not need such help. The UK is in terminal decline - the two 'party' system has totally let the people down - wake up British subjects and vote these greedy, self-centered, smirking liars and thieves out of your parliament before it is too late..the clock is ticking....
Don't care about the Estonian or any other immigrants, I care for the British people forced into these conditions when billions in aid is sent to Pakistan India Afghanistan ....... help our folk first why don't our people have rights
They should all get off their lazy arses and find a job that will allow them to pay a mortgage on a nice new house in sw1.........oops sorry I really should stop reading the Daily Mail. Red arrows away.
This is how Labour want to see all of Britain living if they had their way. Very sad to see.
"Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron" - alex , wales______________ Don't forget the first massive blow to the economy was the government giving hundreds of billions to the bankers who had squandered their money in dodgy dealings to give themselves multi-million bonuses.
Jonathan Billings, project manager for the charity, said that the number of people - including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. This is only going to get worse when the others are given the green light. We have enough of our own problems, they should travel back home. I'm sure they have family back home and can rely on their own government to help out, not ours
I cannot understand why this needs to happen to destitute UK citizens. I mean, immigrants and their extended families seem to get sorted out with a house and fixtures within days of arriving here..............!
mr Cameron should be ashamed that this is going on in our country , but will he do anything about it ? i dont think so . dont know why people come to britain to live its disgracefull
Stop all immigration and all foreign aid until our own problems are under control
David Vile Cameron has been cutting money to Homeless Charities for three years ,so soon they will close due to lack of funding
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
British people should always get council homes first. Estonians, Romanians etc can always go HOME.
This problem unfortunately is set to increase, along with the increase of repossessions, we also have the implementation of the Bedroom Tax. I suspect that charities such as Shelter and the Food Banks will become stretched beyond capacity as these half witted Governmental policies bite home. Whilst I agree that there are problems with benefits, such lack of foresight by the Government in terms of its policy implementation, is bewildering. It would be nice if we had a Government which was able to think about the effect its policies have, before they are implemented, rather than have to deal with the aftermath. But then to associate this Government with thinking, is quite frankly nothing more than wishful.
The Estonian man has the choice of moving back to his own country. he obviously came here with no job, accommodation or prospects in place. We had a case here over 10 years ago of a middle aged man who was living in a cave on the beach. He'd had to come back home to Scotland for personal reasons after some years working in Australia. Were the council or the state bothering to help one of our own who had fallen on hard times - yes, you guessed it - NO. He was existing on charity and kindhearted local souls who gave him food. They council would probabaly have just said he made himslef intentionally homeless, the state would have said he wasn't entitled to anything. This country really is useless when it comes to dealing with its own. It may sound harsh, but we don't need the homeless of the EU over here.
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
I despair for them and despair for British taxpayers. Britain is ruined and our governments are doing nothing to prevent the causes of such despair.
And all those empty properties!!!!
Never mind, our homegrown terrorists are safe and comfortable in their huge, taxpayer funded houses.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
george orwell down and out in Paris and london 2013 edition sadly too many dont care if truth be known the govt would welcome a drop in life expectancy
Councils do not reserve houses and accommodation for the British.
The banks have caused most of this. They borrowed cheap cash from the Chinese who have been cash rich rfor a while. Then the banks lent it to UK borrowers, in the form of sub-prime or toxic loans. (There have been plenty of TV progs on this like Panorama.) Lending to folk who can't repay then forclosing, is a form of loan sharking. They take peoples homes to get the money back. The govt. used taxpayers cash to bail them out, so there would not be runs on banks. (MP's would lose out in a run too.) They still have their bonuses. YOU can say it's the borrowers fault, but it was the banks that lent toxic loans. Banks are regulated by law of the UK. Borrowers therefor though they were in safe hands.
Sad and distressing to think of people living rough. But, with a third of the country getting help with housing from the state costing billions and bankrupting us, let's agree to do our best but recognise that a) some people chose to live rough (mental illness comes to mind) and b) some are just on their way onto the state gravy train. Seeing how awful some social ills are may hopefully induce others to strive and work harder not be join them. Every answer isn't "throw more money at the problem". We already know it just doesn't work.
Your comments: Another image to make Britain's rich happy including ALL politicians and royalty.. this is a class segregated county and the rich lobe watching us suffer
What are these Estonians doing here in the first place?
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!" The guy pictured in the cave is an immigrant.
Living in caves in warmer countries is quite common. Some even have washing hung outside.A few items of furniture from the tip and they make it cosy. Now squatting is illegal in residential buildings there will be more of this. Shanty towns everywhere.
Yet in our row of 5 housing ass. houses, the 2 that became empty went to immigrants, who are being a nightmare and not interested in obeying tenancy rules. They also don't speak English. How can they get them ahead of British nationals??
15 Years of Oxbridge Educated failures have led our Country to this. Still Parties keep making them Leaders and still The Media keeps promoting them. Until we get rid of them and Brussels, this will continue.
Stop importing destitute people from across Europe and the world who make themselves intentionally homeless in the UK and you can start to deal with the existing problem.
Wellspring ? yep a so called charity of paid people want to get a portfolio of properties under their control want more houses paid for by the tax payer ? who would have thought it ?
Sadly this is only going to get worse. It's shameful that anyone should have to live like this, but some of these homeless people have only themselves to blame, having entered the country with no means of supporting themselves. Housing the homeless should be priority for any council but they really can't win - if they do spend their budgets on housing jobless immigrants they then we complain about that as well.
This is the caring face of Tory Toff Britain, our own suffer while we support the sick, lame and lazy of the world.
And DC keep giving away our money to corrupt Countries that laugh in a our faces. When you next wish to see starving people Dave just look at your own people.
Such a relief we've still got money to look after our overseas cousins when they decide to move here. Why should we look after our own anyway? What have they done to deserve that? Worked, paid their taxes - counts for nothing today.
WHAT!!!!!, am i reading this right, a british person living in a cave in 2013 , i cant believe it, these bloody people come over here from god knows where, take our jobs, get massive houses that no ordinary person could afford, get benefits, cars and only they know what else, and we the unde.rdogs are getting food from food banks and living in caves---god help us because cameron and his cronies wont.
To BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 who wrote :"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets" --- that used to be the case but unfortunately a lot of greedy people from all over Eastern Europe and other places have flooded into the country, and our leaders, only too eager to dish out tax payers money to them, have totally neglected to save any for the very people the system was ACTUALLY designed to help
This Is down to Cameron. The buck stops with him.
Simply speechless.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, ==== How do you know these aren't immigrants? We have so many wanting homes, exactly where are Councils supposed to put them all - in hotels, hostels, council housing or pay private rentals. It's a no win situation and one that needs addressing urgently, as we have too many people in this country who don't have jobs and who don't have huge benefits to support them. Single indigenous males are usually the ones who can't get social housing, especially if they lose a job and can't pay rent and are disadvantaged because they don't have dependents.
And still they want us to take in more and more Easr European immigrants. Give us our referendum now Camerclegg!
Looks to me as though the man leaning over has a mobile phone attached to his ear - if he is homeless and presumably unemployed - how can he afford a mobile phone? Oh silly me, I forgot! He will be on this country's very generous benefits!!!
Our Government don't care.
Emigrate to Northern Canada.: cheap housing
Yet we continue to give lots of aid to other countries, all so that Davey boy and his mates can play at being world leaders.
Homes in the UK should go to people who have lived here and paid into the system for at least five years. Also, please note, Cameron: 1. Charity begins at home - save some of the billions of OUR money you are giving away for the people of Britain and 2. Building more social housing will kick start the economy and will provide homes for families and singles currently living under conditions which, quite frankly you have no idea exist in your 'Westminster' world!!
Heartbreaking - The homeless need to be given some positive assistance - Now!
We can't even look after our own people, but hey lets get more foreigners here !
There should be no such thing as homelessness in this day and age. There is a lack of housing so stop people moving to the country until the citizens have a roof over their heads!
prefabs will making a come back
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people ... "- Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ########## I'm sure the council will be along soon - to charge them council tax...
I have zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it their lifestyle choice to come here and live in a cave or on the streets. I get annoyed at the bleeding heart liberals who insist on helping them. That help should be reserved for our own homeless, who have no choice in the matter
If I was forced to live in a cave etc it would be a priority to dig a pit for rubbish etc to keep vermin away from my environment. Having said that, I know that I am very lucky to have a roof over my head.
Stop sending our money to despot leaders in far off lands and sort out England Cameroon.
Drive through Europe and you will see these people everywhere living in shanty's and in forests, sad that it has come here.
surprise surprise ...foreigners come over here and expect to be handed jobs or benefits and housing
Meantime ex-government employees still enjoy pensions paid for by the state which by comparison to these poor people make them appear to be rich.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 - If you had actually read the article you would know that the homeless charity specifically say a large proportion of the people sleeping rough are immigrants. I come from your area and know a lot of people are backward but even so, read before you comment!!
DM readers dont mind the unelected rich royal family living in 500+ room Buckingham Palace at taxpayers expense.
He doesn't exactly make an effort to keep the cave tidy.
Brinskway caves, knows as Maggie's - This might seem harsh, but that Estonian man should NEVER have been allowed in the UK, and should be returned promptly to Estonia...He along with many other EU nationals have NO reason to be in the UK.............And The Wellbeing charity, should focus on BRITISH homeless men, of which there are many, I know personally that actual help for homeless men is few and far between.....
Goverment is asking us to cut back.. how when salaries are staying put and expenditure is increasing. Why dont THEY cut back and stop buying houses that are NOT being occupiedm and handing out increases. Seems we are having to pay for them to continue to live their luxury lifestyles while people like this suffer.
This makes me so sad to think this is Britain!! Instead of helping other countries, out priority should be to help our own!!
This survey is too ambiguous. First groups need to be identified, those who are here illegally or have arrived without the finances to support themselves or economic migrants or the indigenous that have there priority passed onto others that are part of a secret quota signed up to by government, etc. All this is part of an uncontrolled immigration policy.
seems this country is far more concerned of the welfare of those abroad (as always) rather than our own so this is no surprise..
Kate Middleton could give them some money. And Mrs Beckham aswell!
The Eastern Europeans who come here and are homeless and living on the streets have to be sent back home! This is ridiculous!!
Eastern Europeans who are asking for support here should return home and ask for it in their own home country. We have enough to do and are responsible for our own.
Absolutely awful for this to be happening anywhere, let alone a First World country. This Tory government will no doubt be setting up "camps" for the people they have abandoned if they win a next term. Shameful that the bankers and those who are beneficial to the Government are getting richer while they target the poorest in the land time and time again.
It doesn't make sense to move to another country without making plans for what you'll do when you get there, surely? Did they not make any plans to enable them to return home if things didn't work out?
Has anyone read the story? Some of these homeless people are immigrants.
This will happen more and more as the government stop caring for everyome who isn't their elite pals.
Too much housing has been let out the immigrants. Brits should have priority.
This is disgusting, and along with the increased use of food parcels (even for those working), has shown how far we have fallen. Roll on 2015, and let's get this lot of Buller Boys out for another long time.
Get a job then pay for a home! I do it and so do millions more. Simple, isn't it.
Its a small price to pay to help India's space programme with foreign aid.
Well I'm sorry but the Eastern Europeans are economic migrants and should be sent straight back from whence they came, there is an unsustainable amount of pressure on social housing as it is and British people should have priority! This was always going to happen when Maggie allowed the sale of council houses without using the revenue to build more social housing, it's not rocket science, yet our overpaid over privileged politicians seem oblivious!
This is what happens when governments relentlessly pursue and prop up policies that are proven not to have worked, and never will. I have never qualified for council housing for one reason, I don't have children. Add to that the fact I have always worked. Yet I have had to watch penniless people flood into my country and expect everything including a house and, worst of all, they get it all. I used to work for the DHSS so this is experience talking. While WE cope we get nothing of value from our taxes or grubby politicians.
The Bullingdon Club are in power and homelessness has risen - you could knock me down with a feather. Capitalism is utter Godlessness.
You vote Tory to ensure the poor don't have it easy and expenditure is reduced.The results are entirely predictable .The majority of DM readers should be pleased that they are already seeing signs of Conservative policies .Increased foodbanks,,poverty ,suicide ,homelessness. Labour/Lib won't get elected if they try and help the poor .So expect more misery for the poor.
A homeless Estonian man? Sorry, but he should do what would have been regarded as sensible and normal thing to do a few years ago and RETURN HOME! especially as mass migration from the EU and elsewhere is the REASON we are short of homes!!!
Welcome to modern Britain folks......the end result of political stupidity, ineptitude, and a shining example of the latest British administrations utter failure to manage either the economy, or their own, disasterous social policies, Osbornes horrendous handling of the economy is wrecking the UKs recovery, starving everything and anything of investment and support is NOT the way to fiscal recovery...it IS the way to keep Britain in decline and failure, everyone from the Governor of the Bank of England, to leading financiers have warned him so, but, George ignores them....George knows best.......not.
blame poor people for poverty! It makes perfect sense. I mean, they caused all the financial troubles and were living a life of luxury before the crash. Then one day, they decided they didn't want to work, so just quit their jobs and went on the dole.
Thanks for this Mr and Mrs Blair, this is your legacy
what a surprise and wait for the bedroom tax to really bite as it is just getting going people are missing paying that part of the rent as they do not have it so are getting more and more into arrears eventually the councils or housing associations who usually bend over backwards to try to help these people will have to start eviction . most if you arrears will allow you to pay a small amount off the bill each week but if you have been hit with this tax it will mean no matter what you do the bill will rise
Shame they can't claim asylum as they'd no doubt be lavished with a property and all the treats they want to fill it with.
Perhaps the government should stop giving money overseas when it's obvious that people need it so badly over here. While it's sad that people in other countries are starving, having their homes destroyed by wars etc. British people should come first! Think about how much could be spent on the people here, if foreign aid was reduced or even stopped until this country is prosperous enough for everyone to have a roof over their heads.
i am homeless. the problem is that if you cannot prove bank statements for the past 3 years of where you have been living/staing, then you cannot get housing. in addition, if you have been sleeping in a car (as i have done), been sleeping on buses, been sleeping in airports, that does not constitute as resident in this country. my objection though, is if you come from the eu, and have kids, you can get housing straight away, without having to prove anything! i cannot get benefits because i am of no fixed abode and now the govt don't accept that, even though you can put it doen on the intitial form, everything has to be done online - and that costs! crazy. i am british, middle class and female, and yet i am still expected to sleep on the streets. in london, it seems to only be the british who are sleeping on the streets!!!
Sad to see, more should be done to help although I do appreciate a lot do not want it.
No matter HOW they endedd up in this situation, it just breaks my heart. Keep safe. X
And is still too get worse as we let more and more welfare scroungers in from the Indian subcontinent and EU
Why did the bloke from Estonia come here if he had nowhere to live? Having somewhere to live should be a requirement for coming to Britain. Homeless charities should be focusing on homeless British people, not someone that turned up a few weeks ago from another country hoping for a house!
Those who have lost their homes include middle classes hit by downturn the other homeless do not really count thanks DM
when i saw the picture. never in England and surprise it is.
Sorry guys, all the accommodation has been given to foreigners.
If we stopped giving homes to foreigners there would be plenty to give to our homeless
Go out, get a job.... I am sorry, there is no such thing as "unemployment" go round ask at people's home if you could do a bit of gardening, clear/clean driveway... Wash their car flip burgers at fast food restaurant... there are LOTS of foreigners here, washing cars, and cleaning jobs, they are not taking your jobs, they are taking the jobs that you are to bone idle to do... There is a movement of "will not work, if I do not like a job" rather than unemployment. I have no sympathy.
"Crisis" had better get their story straight - how can we build homes to accommodate not only our own but all who decide to park here when there are no jobs and no one to fund these grand ideas - where do these people come from??? I suspect it is a place called LaLa Land.....
Appalling....but we cant give houses to everyone who enters this country....our own MUST come first...my friends niece tried to go on the local housing list...she was told single mothers take priority...then immigrants . ..so to rent privately....sounds wrong to me.
Seeing the amount of rubbish littering the cave. It seems to me that this is the best place for them.
This may sound harsh but, if the homeless people are immigrants they should be sent back to their country of origin to be looked after by their own governments. We, as a country, cannot afford to take in anymore people who cannot support themselves.
Why do people come from other European countries to end up homeless here? Do they imagine that the are going to immediately be housed on arrival? Anyone who isn't British and is homeless should be rounded up and sent straight home. Anyone who isn't British but is living off the taxpayer should likewise be sent home - that might free up some houses for homeless British people.
So one DM article (over 65's in work) says unemplyment DOWN, while another says unemployment UP?
Where is the family of this man from Estonia? What are they doing to help him? Why does it fall on the local authorities and council tax payers of the UK to house him. Sorry, I voted for a Common Market, not an open house for all comers. Pay his fare to return to Estonia where he can be cared for by his people.
This Estonian man living in a cave should be given a plane ticket back to Estonia, I can't be all bad back there.
An 'Estonian man' living in a cave. What the heck is he doing here anyway?????? Maybe if he went back to his own country he might be better off.
Maybe the mother with the 7 kids and 6 bedroom house could squeeze a few more in...
So actually these homeless are immigrants that arrive here with no work, home and expect the British taxpayer to fund them.
they have no one to blame but themselfs
Meanwhile, criminal immigrants are given free millionaire houses and welfare benefits they don't deserve.
Unfortunately with the introduction of the bedroom tax, along with repossessions due to austerity, there is a much higher risk of people becoming homeless. This in turn will put a further strain on food banks and charities such as Shelter. Shame the Government does not think about the consequences of bad policy making, before they make the policy. However, sensible policy making, rational thinking and common sense are not processes I would associate with this Government, it is simply incapable of such.
What a sad, sad state of affairs. Perhaps the Lords could donate their generous allowances and forgo their subsidized restaurant meals (£60,000 per week) to help out.? Thought not !
In a generation, there will be no Middle Class, only the very rich and the very poor... Read Spengler's 'Decline of Western Civilisation' (look it up on Wikipedia.) Just DON'T read it before you go to sleep!!
Why are we paying for terrorists & hate preachers & immigrants when there are HOMELESS TAX PAYING BRITONS?!?!?!?!?!?!?
You may want to blame the Coalition for not sorting the mess out, but do not be beguiled into forgetting that this is Labour's doing! This is the lag time of their disastrous time in office surging through and is the inevitable result of Socialism! In fact, we have not seen anything yet in terms of sheer scale of their failure, that is yet to come, although we are seeing the influence of the Labour party cozying up to the EU! And remember, most Socialist voters, vote from an ideology, not from the perspective of national economic well being! This is why Socialism will always fail as it is based upon a false belief of wayward promises using outdated and inappropriate rationale - not economic and geopolitical factors of social advancement!
The usual DM Tory brigade will say tell them to get jobs. It really is appalling really in 21st century Britain.I struggle each month but feel lucky when I get hone late at night; that despite all. I still have a place called home.This article saddened me.Also that you can contribute for many years into the tax NI system and then when needed you are branded a scrounger.
then go home.
Cameron doesn't care about people.
It's disgusting that citizens of the UK are "living" like this in the 21st century, whatever their previous circumstances. Yet homes and benefits are thrown at thousands of undeserving recipients who continue to flow into our country unchecked.
Its very sad, homelessness is increasing pretty much all over the world. Its interesting the call for cheaper housing, if it wasnt for so many NIMBYS maybe we could actually get building.
Welcome to Tory Britain 2013.
The repugnant face of capitalism ........you could not imagine what this poor soul has running through his mind....the hunger games are fact not fiction...........
This is CAMERONS Britain we are all in it togeather, I think not.
Thius is why we need to stop opening the floodgates to every waif & stray from across the globe! It's about time charity started at home!!!
Then the Eastern Europeans should have stayed in their own country instead of coming to the UK to sponge on benefits "Great Britain" can't afford.
Been happening for years. Watched a program on some where in the USA last year, loads of normal people had a house, car jobs ect.normal hard working people. 12 months latter living in tents, motor homes and concrete pipes. All to do with going in debt to much and it suddenly catches you. Sad but true. Not lt we can do to help really.
I have very little sympathy for homeless Eastern Europeans and wish they could be deported, we have way too many here as it stands - go home
Your report says.........."including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.........." Firstly, if they are immigrants from Eastern Europe they should not be allowed in this country unless they can prove they have the means to live. Secondly, people who lost their jobs in the downturn will be able to claim benefits so to say they are left without any source of income is not correct.
they should pretend they from another country and don't speak the language then they get everything! then they have have an interpreter and paperwork printed in English....for once!!!!
If there is nothing here for them why come here,go back home simples really.
Class should not come into the equation if you are homeless. It is a shocking state of affairs that in this modern society, the wealthy west, we still have people that are homeless!
They came from homes, why don't they go back to them?
It seems totally wrong that the homeless indigenous population, no matter how they arrive at their particular situation, have to wallow in this type of condition when both legal and illegal immigrants hold out their hands on arrival to the UK and are given priority food, clothing, accommodation and cash benefits.
People from outside the UK should not be granted entry, unless they have provided proof that they have a job, and a lease for a property, for at least a year. Those who do not qualify to be in the UK, should be deported immediately. Immigrants should not be entitled to apply for any benefits / social housing until they have contributed to the system for 10 years. Problem solved, there would be enough housing for true UK citizens.
So, we can't look after our own, and still this useless government let in more and more people from other countries....
What's with a cave, it's where primitives used to live and it's free.
"I don't think politicians are aware of the scale of the problem" The politicians prefer not to think about it.
Having come to this country to find a BETTER life & then finding there just isn't one, wouldn't this poor man be better off going back to his own country (Estonia) where surely the Government there should take some responsibility for one of their desperate citizens???
Charities are business and this is publicity, granted some of the money donated to them goes to help good caused but an awful lot of it goes to make a select few very rich!
I was born in a prefab just after WW2 and it was a great little bungalow style house, complete with wood/coal burning stove. It was supposed to last 10 years but some are still in use today. Why can't this Govt build thousands of them now, as they were relatively cheap and this would be a great boost to the building industry.
Zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it a lifestyle choice to come to the UK and live in a cave. I wish these bleeding heart liberals would stop trying to help them and instead focus on the British homeless, who have no choice over their plight. What the hell has happened to our country?
Gotta love capitalism.
I'm assuming that this report includes people from Eastern Europe who set up their squalid camps here. Take from the equation every homeless person who has no right to be in Britain and the problem isn't so bad. Send back to their home countries all those in so-called 'social' housing who have no right to be here to free up homes for homeless indigenous Britons. And bear in mind that some people, for whatever reason, don't want to be housed but prefer to live on the streets, however strange it might seem to others.
Fine. Find the immigrants who have never worked and only taken for the longest period, boot them out and give the homes to these poor people. This is a bdy disgrace, it is UK not Sierra Leone. They have also at some time contributed, and do not dare tell me that this is beyond the realms of possibility. Tell the EU to get stuffed and do it. NOW.
the bedroom tax dont help plus all the people coming in to the country
But our beloved Coalition still wanted to give the best part of £200 million in aid to India?! The old saying of "charity starts at home" has never been truer.
Homelessness and poverty increases whilst those who are able to buy up any property going to rent out at exorbitant fees and the government does nothing but legislate to increase poverty further. This is Tory Britain - upheld and maintained by a Liberal Democrat thirst for power at any cost to their principles. Labour sit silently in the shadows with nothing to say!
Not sure why people who have lost thier homes (mortgage default?) have to live on the street but people straight of the plane get given social housing or housing support???
Whilst this is very sad, you need to look at the individuals concerned. I have a friend who is unemployed and apart from a short spell working in a cafe, she has not worked for nine years... She was evicted from her council flat due to rent arrears and is currently camping on a friends sofa otherwise she would be homeless. She simply would not get a job to help pay off her rent arrears preferring instead to stay on benefits (hard to believe but TRUE)... So what do you do with people like this? You either keep throwing benefits at them or they end up on the streets - sadly with my friend, she had no intention of working... There is only so much you can do to help some people if they're not prepared to help themselves. What I do think is very unfair is that single people who have worked and paid taxes receive no help if they become homeless whereas those who have never worked and become pregnant are housed no questions asked...
And still people pour into the country. Not all, but a sizeable part of the current problem can be attributed to "New Labours" open door policy on immigration. I know some of you won't like my comment but it is a statement of fact.
And yet the do gooders tell us that we should embrace ever greater numbers of people at the lower end of the social scale from all over the globe. God help us.
Once the floodgates are open, we will have thousands more Eastern Europeans camping in our parks. When will Cameroon & his buddies come out of their ivory towers and see what is happening on the ground literally.
There are thousands of empty shop units and pubs around the country, some have been empty for years. Convert them to homes and house all the people who have been ordinarily resident in this country for over 5 years first, then those who have been here for over 2 years. Anyone who's arrived since then can go back to the last country they were in and declare themselves homeless there. There is no need to build more houses on greenbelt or flood plains.
I'm far from being a bleeding-heart, soft-headed liberal, but this is very sad. How can such an advanced society allow people to live like this? I don't want people to choose a life on benefits, but neither do I want them forced to live on the streets or in caves. Surely there is a way of creating a safety net (for UK citizens only) that doesn't encourage a lifestyle on benefits. Perhaps vouchers for accommodation, food etc rather than cash.
O M G This is so bad. We have how many illegal,s coming into this country and I bet NONE of them are on the streets!! Look after our own FIRST!!
If the shortage of housing is that bad why is the government going to allow hundreds of thousands of immigrants from Eastern Europe to enter this country in six months time.
Meanwhile our political muppets continue to give away BILLIONS of pounds in foreign aid that we have to either print or borrow.
If that woman who was whining about having to manage in a 6 bedroom house freed up a couple of rooms, this couple could move in and pay towards the rent.
And yet apparently we can still accommodate millions more ??
how long before the torlies charge them rent for this goverment sponsored accomodation ,bed room tax should be paid as well
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control.
I want a cave!!!
If someone from the EU countries moves to another EU country to live then they are supposed to have a job or someone who will support them financially before that can move there. Clearly not the case with the UK as we can see. Of course a charity will step in and insist they must be housed and fed by UK tax payers. NO - they should be sent home. If any of these 'homeless' people are really Uk citizens then we really should be sorting those cases out.
The only thing the EU has done for Britain is turn it into a toilet! And unfortunately even previously upstanding folk are just being flushed down it
At least they have another home to go to!
The man pictured is from Estonia? How is he our problem? He came here, he can go back.
Hopefully those people thinking of coming to our country for some easy living will read this article and change their minds, we can't afford to take care of our own let alone foreigners.
Well done tony and cyclops oh yeah and that other waste of space prime minister we got now - who want's to flood the country with more of our desirable european chums.
With stagflation affording to keep a roof over one's head becomes harder and harder. Even if one has social housing the cost of rents, heating and council tax and food makes it hard to make ends meet if one is on a low income. That is the reality for many people. Some people who have worked all their lives but due to the down turn and robber barons who inflate the prices of the necessities of life now find they have insufficient income. Of course mr Cameron is proud we have so many food banks, I think he misses the point. Perhaps he is proud people are now living in caves, what an indictment on Modern Britain and our elitist politicians Labour and Condems. The plight of the poor working class does not move them they are too busy scoring points in their peurile debates and promoting the vested interests of the super rich.
the homeless Europeans should be rounded up and transported back to their home country. End of!!
Shameful this is tragic. No one should be denied food or shelter which are basic human rights.
He says nobody wants to see people living in caves. I have a differing veiwpoint. Instead of blighting what's left of our countryside with cheap tacky little houses, why not reduce the surplus population to manageable levels so that we all get a fair share, and a decent lifesyle.
Stop giving housing to any immigrant who has not fully worked and contributed for at least ten years.
And still we keep our boarders wide open for the world to come in. This is utterly disgraceful and the sooner we part company with the E.U. who are dictating to us that this is what we must do, the better.
If they have to live there why don't they at least tidy the place up, it's not that difficult.
Is it not because it suits their drug and alcohol fuelled life. Discuss.
And still this Government let thousands more into our Country that have no where to live and no money or jobs. This Country will look like a shanty town the way its going.
There is not enough room in the UK for all the millions of newcomers who were encourage in to the country by labour
Cameron is trying to kill the middle classes. Most of the small businesses, Shops, white collar workers. The tory TOFFS are trying to kill them off?
No body should be homeless, but if you hide in a cave nobody will know you are homeless therefore nobody can help. This country is becoming a disgrace on all levels, we need more safety net housing which supports people into work to be independent, and more affordable housing for those on low incomes such as supermarket workers....
They should still have a bit of respect and keep nature litter free. Clean home, clean mind, that's a start. It will only get better from there. How on earth can they better themselves if they sleep amongst rubbish. Make the best of what you've got, whats around you and better things will come.
Go home, it is not our job to look after the World.
It's because we're helping out other countries, and people from other countries, before helping our own people! I'm all for charity but it's meant to start at home isn't it?!
They may have chosen to live in a cave but they don't have to live in squalor.
What a sad state this country is now in. The gap between the rich and poor starting to widen again, I do think that money should not be sent abroad until we have solved our own problems here in our own country! It is good that attention has been brought to this, but the low-life now have been informed also and I hope it doesn't have bad consequences.
People who sleep on the street often choose to. Councils have a duty of care to house people who present themselves as homeless and have hostels. Do not feel sorry for people who choose to live this way it's their choice to go off grid. Those who do not choose are often in need of help by way of institutionalisation but today it is the lack of this type of help for the mentally ill that is the problem. Care in the community is a farce for some of these people and they end up on the streets mentally ill and no where to go. Building new houses isn¿t going to help these people.
He could go back to Estonia and his government can look after him!
But by all means cut benefits. Everything in life costs money and with no job and no help you can't afford food, clothes, toiletries to keep you clean, dental treatment, bus fares to the doctor...it's amazing how quickly life is reduced to merely existing.
And still our doors are open to the ever increasing numbers of people who want to come and live here, the vast majority of whom seem to find no problem in securing accommodation......But wait and see what happens when the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here....As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet."....Thanks a lot Blair, Brown and Cameron for ruining this once great country.
This will be a common site soon, especially with the ridiculous universal credit, bedroom tax and giving people their rent to pay themselves. Realistically how many people with addictions are going to pay their landlord?!
well done IDS and THE NEW NAZI TORY PARTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any room? I'll be joining you soon
I'm pretty sure you're not middle class if you're living in a cave DM...
And David Cameron has increased foreign aid spending whilst his own are starving and living in caves....not to worry i'm sure there will be some happy people in Africa!
Your comment: Are these vulnerable homeless peoples families (if they have a family) aware that you can't rent a private property if you are on benefits. There aren't enough council/ housing association properties available with long waiting lists. So where can homeless people go? My suggestion is that when a homeless person is genuinely homeless the council could loan them the rent for 6 months in advance which is how you can rent a private flat/ room (the law can change to offer grants). The money can be paid back once the homeless person has found a job, his/her self respect, and found their feet again. Homelessness is truly a situation where "But for the grace of God go I". I know of one letting agent which will not let to pensioners unless they were earning over £18,000 per year with their pension. There doesn't seem to be much compassion for people who have had genuine bad luck. Some people are victims of broken marriages due to partners alcoholism or violence.
Sickening ! These are true British people and before the red arrow brigade get started banging on about alchohol , drugs and their own fault etc remember the inflation proof foreign aid that the cretins in charge shovel abroad and also see all the incoming aliens are provided with social housing , benefits etc . There is nothing more shameful and the British people deserve a lot better than this .
We are in trouble as a nation when our people have to resort to sleeping in caves. Are we a civilised society or not?
We have a very generous Welfare State so there is no need for this.
And we still send £billions in aid to foreign dictators !! Good one Dave !!!!
This seems like the lodging we should provide to preachers of hate and division
I'm not really bothered if it is immigrants homeless because they can go back to their homelands and should not be entitled to access the British welfare system, just as we couldn't rock up in another Country and demand housing either. But there should be no British person who is homeless.
Why live on the street like this? Go and stick a brick through a window and get put into her Majesties Finest accommodation where you have everything you need including TV, Food, Education, a Gym, PS3 and so on. Think about it!
AT THE END OF THE WAR MANY GERMAN CIVILIANS CLAIMED TO HAVE NOT KNOWN WHAT WAS GOING ON IN GERMANY,,,,,,THEY HAD AN EXCUSE,,,THEY DID NOT HAVE THE INTERNET,,AND ALL THE COMMUNICATION ROUTES WE HAVE NOW,,,,WE HAVE NO EXCUSES,,,,,,WRITE TO YOUR MP,,,,,,OR PANTOMINE 'DAME IAIN' DUNCAN SMITH, WHO IS PAID £5,000 A WEEK TO RUN THE DWP/BENEFITS, HE ALSO GETS FREE USE OF A £2 MILLION MANSION......ASK HIM WHY
Why isn't this headline something like " Homeless and jobless man from Estonia has nowhere to go but live in a cold wild cave in the UK"? There are people from Eastern Europe living in bushes on the Common near where I live. Jonathon Billings from homeless charity Wellspring - DONT ask us to home ALL of these people!! We CANT do it! Our own cant find homes.
And overseas aid continues to flow. What about our own people Cameron?
But of course foreign aid is more important isn't it Dave? Oh, here's another country that hates us and wants to kill us all, we must give them lots of money. No hang on says Hague, it's more important to arm Al Qaeda in Syria and then after that here's another country we can bomb.
Well I am glad that we are sending billions in foreign aid to help them, oh, hang on, it's the UK! Hopefully the EU can send billions here to help us? Yeah right! Our poor country, it gets worse and worse
This is outrageous when asylum seekers are brought to this country and immediately given a council house, money, furniture, mobility allowance ...... Our priorities should be to house the people of this country.
I would not mind living in a cave for a while, the problem is that the jobsworth council would probably evict me.
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010...
Read those figures folks and look to your Government. Shocking. What a legacy of their priorities. And don't fall for their classic trick of blaming the poor. The odds are stacked against all of us - IN EVERY AREA - except for the good old 1%.
All thanks to Thatcher- Major - Blair- Brown - Cameron. (That BBC )
Not to worry many will still believe it only happens to others.
"We're all in it together". What kind of sick society allows for this level of poverty and homelessness? One that is based partially on the lie of austerity, something that an American student exposed recently. Britain now stands somewhere between Brave New World and1984. Welcome to Dystopia.
Was this man homeless before he travelled half way across Europe to reach Stockport????
Crisis is misguided if it thinks the Government will build affordable homes. It will not. It has no interest in building affordable homes. Instead properties are built for 'executives' only affordable by foreigners especially in London, driving up house prices. Thatcher destroyed the idea of public housing by allowing all housing stock to be sold to tenants and none of the funds raised from the sales to go back into good quality affordable housing. Social housing stock now is what no one else wants to buy. And if you think 'half buy' schemes are easier - you are wrong. I used to work for a HA and getting on to these hen's teeth schemes is harder (and more expensive) than getting a mortgage. We turned people away with mortgages. So these homeless people would not be considered. And renting can be just as onerous to get into and expensive to pay for in public housing stock. The Government has no handle on rising homelessness as the impoverished don't fit with self interest.
'Leading homelessness charity Crisis has called for the Government to build thousands of new affordable homes in an attempt to tackle the burgeoning problem.' .. and when there is no more room we ..?
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.
What a world we live in. Heartbreaking.
So we have this here and our government does nothing to help.
Are these homeless people born and bred British people or are they the recently landed immigrants seeking a better life for themselves?
''Across the country, homelessness has risen by six per cent over the course of the past year, soaring by 34 per cent compared to three years ago''... ''An Estonian man is living in a network of caves in Stockport which is popular among the homeless''... how many of the 'new' homeless are 'foreigners ??
The UK is a modern vibrant society.
Homeless? No problem, Prince William is on your case as he supports homeless charities. Bit difficult to contact him though, could be at one of his three houses or on holiday- but keep trying!
This is disgusting.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets.
Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron
Class should have NOTHING to do with anything in modern society. It's a throwback we can well do without. The fact any of our own are homeless is a national disgrace, and class has nothing to do with it. The fact that immigrants arrive here and then claim homelessness is a completely different issue and to conflate the two is disingenuous and wrong.
The EU want the government to revert us into cave-dwellers, so this is the first step. How long till the council find a way of slapping council tax on it.
To some who have voiced considering the BNP and similar groups, I consider this moving from one extreme to another. This is not the way forward. Britain has enviable values and we mustn't lose them. For quite a while now I have noticed our country get bad to worse and Im utterly fed up, and hence left to work abroad. Our politicians don't represent us anymore. False promises and their in. I really hope we get a more representative party with middle of the road policies and one which stops throwing our tax money to those who have and most probably will never contribute to the system. Im not against immigration but this has gone out of hand - its utter madness.
Don't you hate how this government gives tax payers money away so freely to residents of other countries!
Are we British allowed these benefits in all EU countries should we decide to plonk ourselves in any one of them ?, or does this ruling only apply to people coming here. It would be great to live somewhere in France if they too supply these lovely benefits to all and sundry.
Is there any single benefit to us to belonging to the EU? Seriously, we always end up paying out huge amounts of money for this daft organisation - we haven't got the money for all these extra benefits surely!! Get us a referendum NOW!!
So now you know why they will never let you have a vote on the EU. Just wait till they start bringing in the massive populations of the Middle East & half of Africa? As for these people not being able to get benefits? They already have & continue to bleed this country dry whilst forcing down wages & forcing up housing costs.
This EU is ruining this country all these benefits being given willy nilly to all you choose to enter this country whether it's on the back of a lorry or other means, no wonder we have them all forming a nice queue in Calais waiting for their chance, no wonder Cameron has had to make so many cuts in jobs etc. i know Labour left us almost broke but now us British born and BRED are having to pay through the nose so that all the migrants can live the good life, i am glad i am getting to the age where another 20 years of life is not possible because i can see this country being the worst to live in.
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith _____________________________________________________________ So what are you doing about it Anne? Apart from spouting off on a website of course when you could be doing something constructive. - Chris, London, England, 3/3/2011 13:06 So what do YOU suggest Chris. There is not much we can do as individuals. We need a strong leader and I cannot see that happening. As soon as anyone dare try to stand up for his or her country they are called racist - fascists- little hitlers- thugs by the media and from that moment on their career has ended.
Box Ticker , we voted to join the "common market" a totally different animal to the EU. We were missled then & succesive governments have been hoodwinking us ever since. Now is the time for a referendum of our membership, we can`t be any worse off out of the EU. Switzerland & Norway do alright.
My Mum worked full time for many years, and was advised to pay a woman's stamp contributions, hence now she is retired and part of a couple receives £30 a week pension. I have a friend who contracted breast cancer in Australia and had to come back to live in Britain because they would not treat her there as she was English and had not contributed. If I go to another country I have to make sure I take out an insurance or I will get no healthcare, so why do we treat people from all around the world who have not contributed to our health system. When the NHS was founded it was just that a NATIONAL HEALTH SYSTEM NOT AN INTERNATIONAL HEALTH SYSTEM. With mass unemployment hence a drop in contributions these extra benefits and healthcare are coming out of the pockets of the British people, and we have not even been consulted about it!!
Said it before and I'll say it again : deduct all benefit payments from the EC contribution and add a hefty administration charge on top. Come on, Coalition and Opposition - speak up for what is right rather than just pay up.
How come these "Job seekers" from abroad are worth more than UK citizens that haven't been able to find work for years, however hard they have been trying? And we pay these incomeres twice the old age pension, to look for jobs that clearly don't exist, given the rising rate of unemployment. DC, you dug your heels on over votes for prisoners. Don't stop there. There even more important matters to throw back to Brussels.
VOTE BNP ! WE MUST !!!
Why do UK citizens (and taxpayers) have so much trouble claiming something when they fall on hard times such as unemployment, but we seem to fall over ourselves handing out money to people who have never paid 'into the pot'? It's a disgusting way to treat the people of this country.
But Brits are not allowed to sign on for work in Slovenia never mind claim benefits. If you own a house there you have to wait 5 years for residency or pay 20 per cent gains tax - unlike Slovenes who wait just 3 years. EU equality as we all know only applies to those coming to Britain - not we Brits.
It looks to me that the fools in EU headquarters are hell bent for the G-8 countries in there to leave. We have two options - IGNORE the stupid decrees from the EU or PULL OUT. Common sense must prevail. Take note, Both Germany and Austria have high unemployment, both countries also bailed out Banks that misused funds in wrong investments, both countries are also taxing the peoples to the hilt to pay for the mistakes of others and tolerance levels are on the brink of exploding. ITS HIGH TIME TO TELL THE EU dishing out money for NIL input will not work - this is only going to build up a dislike of foreigners.
We can have a referendum on voting, which many think is a waste of taxpayers money, while the British public are still being denied a say if we want to remain in the E.U. who if we stay in it much longer we will well and truly done for as a country. I suppose there are a few in government circles that keep us in as it helps to line their pockets, never mind joe public we do not count as we are just a number.
Benefits assessor- You are absolutley correct! I am a UK citizen born and bred. When I returned to this country after a few years living in Malta (an EU country), I found it necessary to claim a number of benefits. I was asked an astounding question by one benefits assessor "Why did I come to this country?"!! I can't tell you how angry I was at having to justify coming back to my own country!
If it makes DM readers fume with anger it can only be a good thing. All hail the EU!!!!
Amazing animal story !!! Weasel gets spine transplant ! ( Get the hint Dodgy Dave? )
Why did I fight for my country ? It is not my country anymore and I am ashamed of what the politicians have done. !
In the event of street protests and civil disorder across Great Britain, would Cameron do a Gadhaffi and set our own troops onto us? >>>>>- meridian, crewe: I asked a mate of mine who is a serving soldier this question and is answer was an unequivical, NO WAY! I don't believe the British people are strong enough to do this though, most of us sit there with a passive indifference to what is happening to this country. Complaining on forums like this is about as militant as we get!
Well I voted UKIP. What did you vote? LIB/LAB/CON,,,,,,,,more of the same. Continuing to do the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result = insanity. Come on Barnsley, wake up! What does it take to get you angry? Cameron. "The Government believes that it is in this country's interests to be members of the EU." Brown. " We do not believe a referendum is necessary on the Lisbon Treaty" Cleggover. I love the EU and my pension depends on supporting it.
This is our tax that the EU and its subordinate - our government - is squandering on people who have contributed absolutely nothing to our economy nor do they have any historical or blood ties. We owe them nothing. Our government is surely now obligated to put continued membership of the EU to a referendum and the sooner the better.
The last few paragraphs of this article state that anyone can't just walk into this country and claim our benefits ..... That may be true , but can they claim " hardship allowance " ?....which could be the same as benefits under another name....!
And I have just been fined for late tax returns ..what to keep these immigrants on benefits think I will refuse to pay and go to jail instead
Just another way to get more money out of us taxpayers, to give to people who do absolutly nothing to earn it. Do the government really think these people will come here to look for work?? No - They will find a way to fool the system, get money out of our country and contribute nothing!
So,british can claim benefits in our country and immigrants in the uk can't? get out of eu than,we are tired of british parasites
Spain doesn't obey the EU rules on the vast majority of things and yet receives a lot more money from the piggy bank than the UK When are we going to learn?
Wouldnt it be wonderful if the middle class, so hated by any politician of ANY party, could just up stumps and move to a new country and run it themselves and sit back and see how clever Cameron, the EU, the ECHR and all the left wing nutters in Notting Hill were. This country needs a revolution and quite a few heads to roll...literally
Stop supplying documents in languages other than English. Insist that claims are filled out by the aplicant in the Jobseekers office in front of the clerk dealing with the application. All claimants should speak and write english, inability to do so should mean that they cannot work in this country so cannot apply for jobseekers allowance or any other benefit. It'll never happen, there isn't a minister or MP with the backbone to suggest it.
This country is just being given away to foreigners. Our national pride has gone. I sometimes wonder if we need somebody with the leadership powers of a dictator to put this country back on its feet. Our recent governments do not have a clue.
Thats it!!!! I'm 54 and unemployed. I worked 20 years and paid tax into this country. I dont care if I NEVER work again now!!!
If this is a EU ruling ,then why can`t you claim unemployment benifits in France. To claim unemployment in France you have had to have a job first then become unemployed, they do not pay unemployment benifit unless you have previously been in work in France.
Dont think that call me dave will do anything about this stupidity and boy clegg loves the e.u. as do most of the trough dwellers. The only way out is a revolution so that the will of the people prefails (stupid me thought that was the way so called democracy worked)
I thought it was migrants coming from outside the EU that are claiming our benefits and jumping the housing queue?
What has this country come too.. We're taxed to the hilt.. Can't afford to run a car any more. There's no jobs. housing problems. 17,000 forces made redundant, with no jobs to go to. But ok to let more immigrants come in and claim benefits. Benefits which even my own family can't get.. I see a riot on camerons & co hands.. Will he let me have a tax rebate... i doubt it..
And this would be one of the reasons I'm out of here as soon as I get my degree and find a suitable job away from this mad country. Everyone else takes what they can get so I'm doing the same. It's okay though because as the country continues to sink, stupid voters can keep voting idiots into power. When will you people wake up and smell the coffee. Why should the public suffer at the hands of nut jobs? I don't see a politician feeding his family with cheap crap food which has no real food value... I don't see them struggling to make ends meet and nor do I see them living in poor conditions like some of us have to. And considering there are no jobs per se, how is anyone expected to better themselves especially if we're giving everything away to every foreigner to hit our shores? Welcome to Britain, where our own people come last. Don't worry, we only pay for it all, but what do we know!
A national disgrace. Look after us first Dave and Nick!
I'm amazed at how ignorant the majority are on this forum. If you pay in to the system you are entitled to get something back, no matter where you come from. There are a lot of foreign workers over here paying tax to support British free loaders and no doubt foreign free loaders too. Its not just the UK who do this all EU countries do it. If we work abroad, we would be entitled to benefits in these countries too. Stop winging and bitching, its and even playing field. If you dont like it, move to a foreign country, work and claim their benefits . . . . Honestly +shakes head+
It is impossible in France to claim job seekers allowance unless you can speak FLUENT French. The UK needs to be OUT of the EU before it sinks under immigrants
LOL - look at them go!
The British fatcats paying them 4.0 £ / hour will welcome them !
From what I understand these Eastern Europeans can claim child benefit for their children even if they are not living here, and send the money back to their countries. Yet, British people who live and work abroad cannot claim the same same benefits for their British born children. This is disgraceful discrimination and how much longer are we going to stand for this. It basically means we have all become second class citizens in our own country, we need to boot all those traitors out of Parliament. Elect people who have the British people's best interest at heart, and then leave the European Union with no ifs, buts, or maybe's.
So this is why my widowed mother had to exist on a basic state pension?
Not powerless, just not willing to leave the EU! Tell them to get stuffed!
This is stupid and I am Czech! But the same is happening in my country! People from Romania and other countries are coming to stay because it is so easy to receive benefits! So inviting for them! I came to UK few years ago to study and work and learn english properly. I spent a lot of money on school and tax... Always respected the country's laws and culture... I felt as a guest and that's the way it should be. Unfortunately, I have to say, I am happy to leave UK now as I feel it is time to move on... And to defend my country, there is a tiny number of people from Czech republic in here, our country is beautiful and very well developed... UK should concentrate on people from other countries that come here in huge numbers and use this country for their benefit... with no respect or regard.
JUST GET US OUT NOW, ARE YOU LISTINING MR CAMERON
This nonsense would never have happened under Maggie, you are a traitor Cameron....- Mark B, London.....Well said.....I totally agree. She had more balls than the whole of this current lot put together.
Tens of millions? Try a figure in the billions by the time they've claimed all that's going. Never mind, we can always go the way of the Tories and make everybody pay for everything themselves. Living, health, education etc. And don't think it isn't going that way. Local surgeries turned into businesses with doctors bring in their commercial buddies, the economy being turned over to commercial moguls, and schools doing their own thing. The little tax payer ain't seen nuthin' yet, and isn't Mr. Murdoch doing well thanks to that nice Mr. Hunt.
Let's just get out of Europe and throw all illegals out.. . . . . . . We have had enough. . . . We are paying our taxes to every one except the true Brits who should get it. . . .
Most British people would vote no to the EU. Cameron knows this, that's why he won't give us a referendum. They call this democracy.
The Government should negotiate with the EU that any benefits paid in one country to a citizen of another are reimbursed by the home nation of the claimant. It won't stop claims but at least we would get our money back.
I am British living in Greece, if I return I am entitled to..........nothing, though I paid tax and N.I. for forty years. And contrary to common belief we abroad are not all entitled to heating allowance, not that I want it. Still rather be here though. I am convinced the EU is deliberately working against the interest's of British people. We have nothing in common with them, never have and never will. We should be OUT of the EU.
I want us to leave the EU. How can I get my MP to lobby parliament on this question. What do we have to do as a people to force this issue through ? We already know that marches don't work. We could all go on strike to make our point ? I think the only way we can do this is to hold our own EU Vote. I am sure there is a way of creating a website where people could register, perhaps using their national Insurance Number as a unique ID & then vote on this issue. Perhaps if parliament was presented with a nationwide vote they would have to take our wishes into account ?
A hundred thousand reasons for coming out of the abomination called the European Union.
The time has come to vote for a national british party if some one would start one up that is against violence.
We have got to stop this insanity asap, we have to get rid of all 3 predictables, who too are insane..This will finally finish this country of ours, the writing has been on the wall for too long..The revolution in the middle east will happen here sooner than many think..Unite, the BNP, UKIP, and the best of the EDL together, to rid us this rubbish in Wetminster.. Nobody in their right mind could ever believe this would happen to Britain, this could only be possible by the gutless emotionless wimps in Wetminster..They have no remorse for our dying nation, because it is they, who have driven the final nail into our coffin.....
Actually, they have been entitled to Housing and Council Tax Benefit from day one in this country since 2004 provided they were registered workers, and the only requirement for Child Benefit and Tax Credits is a National Insurance Number. This will only affect JSA , ESA + Income Support.. As for the Habitual Residency Test - it is an absolute joke! The only people it seems to stop from claiming are native brits returning to live in the UK after a period abroad.
What utter rubbish. Our so-called govt can do what the hell it likes, just as the French are wont to do. Impose a complete bn on all new non UK born claimants from 1st April, then tell Brussells to go whistle. The sumsequent court case, appeal, counter appeal ect will go on for yearsby which time we will be totally bankrupt an no-one will want to come here. Simples!
...after working for 44 years,i as a british citizen can not get or is entitled to job seekers allowance...so you tell me how these people are going to get it...they are not...end of!
In the event of street protests and civil disorder across Great Britain, would Cameron do a Gadhaffi and set our own troops onto us? That would be a tad risky in my opinion. Those soldiers are our sons, daughters, nephews, nieces, aunties, uncles, mums and dads. Ditto our police force. Over to you David.
Isn't it about time that we (the UK), like France told the EU where to stick it?
This is appalling when so many sick and disabled people here have been thrown off benefits & some have been driven to suicide as a result.
Bob from Brigg: Best laugh I've had all day (although it is only 1pm, and I haven't seen any other news yet)
'...it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move.' Not quite: if Britain made benefits conditional on a record of contributions for ALL claimants, that would automatically rule out what is now threatened. The issue is to ensure everyone treated the same, whether British citizens or national from other EU countries. 'A spokesman said: '...We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse.' Obviously, that's the warm words and wishful thinking bit; especially when too many of the cases publicised clearly show widespread, systematic abuse by both British and foreign nationals! That apart, the benefits system is out of control and needs to be reformed and reined in and damned quickly!.
Recession; what recession. Cut-Backs; what cut-backs, All in it together; what all in it together.
As we are haveing a referendam on voteing can we not have a box on the same form to get out of the EU It wiil not cost alot more
Sounds about right.....Poor old England....now Europes Barrel, with more and more sediment settling every week. EU? A bureaucratic, legal, and hideously expensive disaster, proof? Ireland and Greece, with, so we are led to believe, Portugal next on the list for bankruptcy...or should that be properly termed, total Brussels control of all the countries finances whether they like it, or not, and, at the EU's set interest rates.....Indeed, some are saying that the EU is deliberately encouraging economies to fail, in order to gain total fiscal control of that host nation, and have such a nation, totally under their control...interesting assumption...
This was agreed 7 years ago - what on earth is the problem ? The impact in the UK is going to be a lot less than it will be here in Austria....
For the love of god Cameron please stand up for us! I can't take much more.
So we work, pay taxes & NI, do not claim a penny from the State, then we retire and what do we finish up with £102.per week & some do not even get that. makes you proud to be an honest hard working Citizen in GB. Isn't it time the Powers that be got a grip and did what was right for the People of this Country that have given their all to make this a better place. Why is it our Politicians manage to get Gold Plated Pensions when they retire.
Where is the land of milk and honey we were promised if we went into the EU? I did not believe it then (early 1970s?). It is a shame we always have to live through about 30 or 40 years of a mistaken policy before that mistake is not only proven but also becomes too big to ignore. Dave etc. are always on about learning history at school, but it seems they themselves learnt nothing from history.
BNP BNP BNP - patarazzi, australia, 3/3/2011 11:35................................................I'm sorry, but your on the wrong website. This non-story has nothing to do with Brisbane National Parks.
The government could stop this type of thing very easily, with one stroke of a pen, but they won't because they have no leader with guts.
The only things that could possibly get us out of the disaster that is the EU and enable us to set our own laws is a massive, it would have to be two million plus, public demo or voting for one of the two main nationalist parties (UKIP/BNP) at any and every opportunity. Tory voters, forget the 'coalition effect', subjugation to the EU is what Cameron and many senior Tories want. Apart from a few strong sounding words and a bit of waffle where's the evidence to the contrary.
I had to give up work 7 years ago as I wasn't well enough to commute 5 hours a day. I didn't/couldn't claim JSA or benefits as my husband's supported me since then. Prior to that, I had 31 years of NI contributions and tax from full-time work (I was then single, no kids). Yet if I signed on unemployed today for the last 2 years before I draw a pension (which might be up to £97 a week) I'd get nothing because I've made no contributions in the last 2 years. Much talk of 'fairness' from Lib Dems, Labour and the Conservatives - How the HELL is it fair that a foreigner can turn up and get over TWICE as much as a pensioner with 31 years of paying tax and NI?
I love it.
"Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now - mr woo , glasgow scotland, 3/3/2011 12:08 ----------We've already had one, when Edward Heath (Conservative) when he was Prime Minister. He took us into Europe and then we had a referendum as to whether or not we wanted to stay, and aApparently we did. - Box ticker, London, 3/3/2011............................NO, that was a referendum on whether we wanted to be in the COMMON MARKET not the EU............Politicians signed up to EU on our behalf.......we have never had a referendum on whether we want to be in EU.
Like we dont breed enough of our own lazy dole loving lay abouts..... Lets get out of the EU before its too late
Have you realised yet that the same applies for people who leave the uk and go to another eu member state!! stop whinging
We should never have joined the EU. So now all my hard earned tax money goes to pay those individuals that have never done a days work or supported this cuuntry in any fashion. We are a JOKE
Come on fellow Brits, it's time to rebel and insist we withdraw from the EU!
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith _____________________________________________________________ So what are you doing about it Anne? Apart from spouting off on a website of course when you could be doing something constructive.
The Prime Minister. 10 downing Street, London, SW1A 2AA There are about 650 3rd rate halfwits who infest OUR parliament. Everybody should write to the above address and keep writing. It's easier than rioting in the street - anyway, I'm too old for that!
I voted UKIP. - daves, chelmsford uk, 03/3/2011 11:48 And so did I, Daves. Many Conservative voters in 2010 were too scared to vote UKIP in case it let Brown in again through the back door. Now there is no excuse to vote for any of the 3 old parties anymore. This coalition is not just unpopular because of the cutbacks, it is unpopular because of their backtracking & inaction on just about everything! In a short period of time, the UK has had Labour, Conservative & LibDems in government. All have shown their total contempt for the British people. Next time, either you waste your vote by not voting at all, or you choose another party. The 4th largest political party will take the UK out of the EU, therefore saving almost £49 million per day. Money to build hospitals, schools, prisons, repair the infrastructure, invest in the armed forces & also return jobs to British workers. But you will have to put your cross in their box first. Almost 1 million of us already did that in 2010.
Does this mean that I will be able to claim benifits from the Spanish system seeing as we are all ruled by Europe ? No I didn't think so either - beachboy, calahonda spain, 03/3/2011 12:48 ---------------Actually if you qualify for benefits then yes, it does.
If Cameron does'nt do something very soon he will see the worst riots ever to befall this country,with I suspect the full blessing of our disgruntled police force - Oddy, B'Ham, 3/3/2011 11:42..........................................Hilarious. So when the foreign journalists interview the rioters (assuming this hypothetical riot does kick off when someone decides to fight your own sorry plights for you because you're too lazy to do so yourself) about what it is they're rioting about, what will their answer be? 'XYZ,' say the rioters. 'And where did you learn about that?' asks the journalist in his bullet-proof vest. 'It said so in the Daily Mail.'..............In that instance, we really would be the laughing stock of the world.
So will we be hearing about this on the BBC? That propaganda machine for the Government and the EU? Which we also have to pay for with the license fee whether we want to watch it or not, and who are quite capable of getting their own funding like the others do. We are being milked and fleeced at every turn.
It makes me sick to the stomach. Get us out of the EU NOW!
I just want to echo the words of Charles De Gaulle, when he continued to do Britain a favour with his consistent veto of our entry into the common market in 1967, "Non, Non, Non" Cameron can guarantee a second term in office with one very simple act. Give us a voice, by having a referendum on the EU. And the choice should not be a wishy washy multiple choice designed to suck up to the lib dems, but a straightforward choice "IN" or "OUT". To help us make an impassioned choice, I invite the DM to produce a list of the financial advantages and disadvantages of Britain remaining in the EU. I need some help in finding the positive side of the argument.
Is THIS why David Clown is making 11,000 servicemen redundant - to give THEIR salaries to Eurics..................? DON'T hand in your uniforms OR your arms, lads......... You know what the next mission is.........
Does ANYONE from government ever read this website? If so, they will KNOW what people REALLY think of Camoron, the CONalition, the EU and so much more. Now that they know, what will they do? Absolutely nothing that's what. They just don't care. Simple as that. They care ONLY for themselves and not one jot about any of us. When will we have democracy here Dave? When will you put the people of Britain FIRST? When will we have the MUCH promised EU referendum? When will you get off your backside and actually DO SOMETHING?
The other side of the coin is that British immigrants to other countries will be able to claim benefits.
Here we go again! D.M. READERS IT'S QUITE SIMPLE - Keep voting and putting your "X" on the Con / Lab / Lib Dem voting paper promising 'change' = Keep getting the same thing and watching your childrens' future and prosperity go down the pan as we hand over our nation's wealth to the dregs of the world .....gratitude or an agreement to be law-abiding by receipients is not even necessary! Why not put your "X" where your mouth / heart is at the next election ?
There is an easy solution to the benefits system in our country. Any foreign national wanting to claim, must only be allowed the same as their home country. It would stop all these thousands of immigrants coming here for one thing only...... free housing, free health care, free handouts..... without working one day or paying a penny in tax.
OMG. Time for Britain to leave the EU I think.
simple vote ukip from here on in.
Either take to the streets or get more of the same.
Roll on the end of the world !!
well i think i'll just get myself pregnant, get a council house and live on benefits for the rest of my days (despite the fact i have been in continual work since 18 years old and paid my dues within this pathetic scrap of an excuse for a country). and they wonder why we are in a recession - GET OUT OF THE EU NOW, AND another reason for voting BNP!
Time to take our country back out of the hands of the EU, over the past 13 years a labour government has given all our powers away, you only have to ask why is ENGLAND the only country in britian NOT to have its own parliment or assembly ? English mp's can't vote on matters in scotland, wales, or northern ireland but their mp's can have a say on what happens in England would I be right to call that discremination ? LET'S GET OUT THE EU AND GET THIS DEVALUTION SORTED AND GET THIS COUNTRY GREAT AGAIN...Thinking UKIP could do well next election !!!
Just refuse to pay--at least the fine from the EU will be less!!!!!!!!
Its no different to any other EU country ... so why all the moaning ?
I would like to suggest that PolishBrit (hope I read that right) becomes PolishGerman as quickly as possible or better still PolishPolish.
EVERYBODY PLEASE LISTEN....For those of you who wish to vote BNP the next time you go to vote, please PLEASE take a PEN with you. I admit to voting for that party and for the UKIP for my local area and all that was there for the voters were pencils which i think, people rub out and put something different, and that is why the bnp have never won yet.. Remember,, take a pen so your vote cannot be rubbed out.
Com'n all you patriotic British nationals get a reality check please. Compare the number of Birtish nationals living on benefits as part of the total population to the number of immigrants who live on benefits. You will find that immigrants do not come to Britain to claim benefits but to make an honest living and return to their countries in few years time. the number of British nationals, though, who live on benefits is ridicolously high. So if you are paying for anything, its for your own people.
The lunatics who allowed this law on our behalf are wasting my hard earned taxes..... I am not giving any more until the government act fairly on my behalf.
Yes there is a way out of this mess, withdraw from this club which is run by a group of idiots who want to reduce the UK to the level of a third world country. It's time the British people said enough is enough and took to the streets to demonstrate against this rediculous situation.
I am in utter despair, will no one in the political establishment do something to save our country from completely going under? Will no one act in the national interest for once?
They are coming to take you away ha ha.
This country is a shambles all thanks to Labour and I doubt if we will ever regain our pride and democracy again. I know for sure that if I was 30 years younger I wouldn't hesitate to take myself to another country that respects it's citizens instead of the workshy and illegal immigrants that we have here now. Wake up Cameron before the riots start because believe you me, they will, people have just about had enough. - law-abiding citizen, UK not EU, 3/3/2011 11:30................................Yeah yeah, blame Labour once again, but you probably haven't looked into this latest work of utter fiction by the Mail because in your view, that'd require too much effort, and so the best policy is to read the headline alone and set off on aLabour-bashing tour (and I'm not even a Labour supporter). However, I'm pleased to inform you that your comment has a comedy rating of 7 out of 10. A bit of Blair and Brown bashing, along with a few pseudonyms would've increased its funniness a bit.
NO Dave, you MUST stop putting other countries and the people of other countries BEFORE your own. Stop being a traitor to this country. Get us OUT of the EU, stop ALL immigration, deport thousands already here and leeching off us. TRY, just TRY to find a backbone somewhere and put a STOP to all this. We MUST get out of the EU and that is just for starters. We used to be GREAT Britain, now we're just a GREAT joke around the world.
It is time for a referendum on pulling out of the EU.I would definitely vote yes to that.Come on Mr Cameron give us a vote or face losing the next election.
Isn't it about time we got the EU to take on some of our ideas instead of us having to take their nonsense all the time?
Unfortunately , this EU dross has been coming here for years. You can see them all lolling about in any town up and down this benighted land. They come here just to get our benefits - they have no intention of doing any work Hardly hear any English people's voices in my town these days - most seem to be from the backwaters of the newEU.
If you accept this Britain you are just fools led by a bunch of fools. it would not happen in France!!
I am an OAP I get £73 pension per week + NHS nurses' 'generous' pension' of about the same, a total of About £150 per week can I get this upgraded to a migrant's £250 benefit? I have worked all my life and I feel neglected by all governments.
Words fail me..... why do I bother to work and pay my taxes!!
This si becoming ridiculous, it's about time we left the EU!
For goodness sake when will this weak country find it's teeth and say enough is enough. I'm sick of flogging myself doing one full time job and two part time jobs to keep afloat only for it to be paid out to someone whose paid b-all into the system. Is the govenment(and I don't actually care which one)capable of putting it's own people first or is it going to be forever doing it's Euriah Heap impersonation weasling around the great and mighty EU? Speaking of which, when is there going to be justification for their overblown pay and expenses? The French won't pay any social to foreigners until they have worked and can speak the language - bit of a hint about what needs to be done - speaking the language would be a start.
what is the point in working anymore, i feel so sorry to our future generations and the mess we have left them ...........
The stupid politicians canÂ’t open their eyes wide enough to see that the people have had enough. They only react when they themselves are threatened with losing money and power. Watch this spaceÂ…
This is what Labour signed up to just as it did to bail out other European countries ie Portugal Greece and Spain.
When are we going to bail out of this waste of space called the EU, an organisation which we were duped into joining by dangling that carrot - The Common Market, for which I, for one, voted a "NO" in the first place. It really is time to go. We need a referendum or are the Government frightened of what the result would be! - Paul, Leeds UK, 03/3/2011 12:26 ************************************************************************* Paul, Leeds you have said it ALL . I was too young to vote back then . My late Father, and Grandmother , voted NO. WE NEED A REFERENDUM NOW. I'm 52 years old YET have never had the opportunatey to vote on this matter., just like millions of others in my age group, and younger.
My God! I can't even weep for my country.It's been sold off as a sattelite to the E.U.Never mind true Brits just work your socks off to keep thiese middle European free loaders in absolute luxury.Revolution any body?
You aint seen nothing yet, Turkey and her millions, and the millions waiting on her borders to be part of the EU, will swamp this country, and and be the cause of civil unrest the like of witch this country has not seen before, and the chief Donkey is all for it.
Vote for BNP. Get our country back under English rule. It's up to the public to vote outside of the big three. We've had enough of this EU rubbish. Tell them where to stick it
I see the call for a referendum on leaving the EU, but I have this sick feeling that even if the vote were to get out, the UK government would probably find they were prohibited from doing so without EU approval. I watch Lebanon, and various other international hotspots, and wonder whether this is what is needed in this country. It seems just voting democratically is no longer effective, as our MPs are either unwilling to go against the EU guidelines, or are unable to. What a sad reflection on 21st century Great Britain.
For me this is the last straw. I will never accept an EU policy that does this to our country. Cameron, you are finished !!
I million pensioners could be given a £25 per week rise with this money
WHATS THE POINT OF WORKING, PEOPLE ON BENEFITS ARE BETTER OFF THAN WORKERS, ITS ALL WRONG.
This is such a non-story. The so called "Eastern Europeans" (A-8 nationals) were allowed to claim benefits since 2004 after they have registered with Home Office and had a full-time job for 1 year. The only thing that changes now is that they are not longer required to register. They still need to be in a full-time employment for at least 1 year, pay taxes, have a verifiable address etc. Daily Mail you should be ashamed of yourself for getting people in frenzy. And people commenting on this site should re-direct their hatred towards international financial institutions and businesses who are behind the credit crunch. You are being played by the right-wing propaganda who is financed by these people.
Right that's it. Making sure now that my kids emigrate and hope we can eventually follow. What with this ,and the inevitable influx of ME immigrants (s0called refugees-of their own making) after their rioting and who are now starting to flee en- masse to the West, we will soon be over-flowing to more than full. We will in Europe soon be designated to third world status unless we get out of the EU NOW. Maybe, thinking about it, time to buy an uninhabited large island somewhere, and start a new country, anyone else in for it??
A friend of mine, a Brit, having worked & paid tax in France for 33 years fell on hard times (made redundant at 53, hard to get a job), enquired to British authorities if he could come back to the UK and get some benefits while looking for a job. Answer, NO, you are British, you are not entitled to anything. So, he is now thinking of taking Latvian nationality to go back to the UK and claim for everything! Kind of sick, is it not?
David cameron shouts about the freedom of people against goverments who dont listen to there people and are un democratic what about the people of the uk we want out of the eu, so lets have a democratic debate for and against and then a vote before we lose our great country for ever,i for one would march to london to demand this we need change any one with me.
It just keeps getting worse. This country has been successively destroyed by a parliament of morons. We plainly no longer need parliament, it is not fit for purpose. Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, hopefully the UK next to get freedom and democracy!
Why aren't they queueing up to go to the other EU countries? Because our benefits system is riddled with stupidities and run by stupids. If we just made it impossible to claim unless you've worked and paid tax for, say 3 years, then they wouldn't come here us benefits tourists. It might help deal with the home grown scroungers as well.
remember to work harder so your taxes can be used to pay more people on benefits, oh and don;t leave your home because if they squat in your home you'll never get them out either!!! welcome to UK don;t you just love it???
But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism'. What they mean't to say was "strict rules would remain in place for the British citizens to make them third world citizens, but foreigners will be allowed to come here as benefit tourists and claim what they like. We will help them by printing leaflets on how to claim all benefits in all relevent languages, but not in English". Non-Jobcentre trators, all of them.
A shiver ran round the cabinet meeting room looking for a spine to run up.
Here we go again ..... let's treat the immigrants better than those people who were born in the UK and have worked all their lives paying taxes and national insurance. Time to take the country back people .......
Britain is powerless to fight this decision? Cameron and his useless sidekick should hold a referendum on telling the EU to take a hike and bailing out. They should do it NOW, while there's still time!
the govt. is going reduce benefits for UK people cos how else are we going to afford to support eastern europeans...............this is all Labour's fault. and Nick Clegg is too pro europe. how is any of this going to help our country get out of recession? we have to stop doing what the european court says. no other country is so generous/stupid with benefits. we can't afford this. we really can't.
In these 'special circumstances' involving new East European EEC citizens there surely cannot be resentment to their receiving basic benefit when not in work. Politically these 'safetynet' concessions are a small price to pay for 'locking-in' former communist states to our western values. We cannot have it all ways and these are after all reciprocal arrangements. The family elders of these citizens went through a dreadful world war in Europe just as ours did - unlike the 'other' dead wood we have 'welcomed in' and supported from the four corners of the earth!!
OUT OF THE E.U NOW.
So let me get this right. I and many other have worked and paid into the system for over 40 years without getting a penny back ansome foreigner walks into the Coutry and straight away starts taking money without having contributed. The time is approaching when we need to come out of the EU.
Gets us out of the EU now,,,, Disgusting that people who have never paid any taxes into this country are allowed to claim benefits.. Sent the lot back, we can hardly pay for our Eduction/NHS/Armed Forces/ OAP's now.... what the hell will it be like in ten years time..... David Cameron your spinless....................GIVE US A VOTE TO GET OUT OF EUROPE.............................
Does this mean that I will be able to claim benifits from the Spanish system seeing as we are all ruled by Europe ? No I didn't think so either
Enough is enough why cant people come into this country with money and something to offer us like Australia insist on. Soon it will not be worth us ordinary tax payers going to work if we are only paying to keep lazy imigrants who come here for a free ride
I only got £64 a week and that ran out after 6 months.
Can someone explain to me why anyone of any nationality should receive a penny from the state? - Oflife, Oxford, 3/3/2011 12:21 The state should provide a safety net for any of our citizens who is temporarily out of work or is incapable of working. For most of my adult life I've worked for a living and paid my taxes, but I've been out of work in the past and claimed dole and housing benefit and had no qualms about it. That's all it should be though, a safety net for OUR citizens - it should NOT be a lifestyle choice for idle home-grown chavs NOR a bottomless source of free money, housing etc for all the freeloaders in the world.
Simple, no-one draws a penny from our benefits system unless they have paid in. Yes, it IS time to take to the streets and march in protest.
Im an ex pat and left the UK for good ten years ago but it makes my blood boil to see what the EU and the UKs toothless government are doing to my fellow countrymen and women. Why do you stand for it, why are you not marching in your millions on London? I'll tell you why because slowly and systematically you have had the life and the will sucked out of you by the EU and successive governments who are only concerned with self promotion. Do you think the French would swallow this? Blackadder's General Melchet was right....'When the chips are down and our backs are against the wall a pig headed refusal to look facts in the face will always see us through'. Not this time, not this time please! I will tell you straight I would rather die than come back to live in the UK.
The UK can do something about it. My brother lives in France - the system there is biased for the French. Even if you wanted to work at the local Leisure Centre behind the desk, you would need to take French exams to get a French qualification to do that job. The UK needs to wise up.
about time we got out of the EU.... I'm sure it costs us more than the benefits it gives..
He's Quite Happily Destroying this Country of Ours While Brown Nosing the EUroCrats.......! - martin, hant's, 03/3/2011 12:20 I'd vote out tomorrow but to correct one point, Labour have already destoryed it. Most of the rullings we are getting are form Tony and Gordy running up the white flag. Dissapointed that Davey has not pulled it down and run up the union flag.
Let us simply tell the EU where to stuff it's rulings.
We reap what the politicians have sown! A mass demonstration on the day of the royal wedding would get their attention!
the answer is simple...close our borders NOW ...before it costs us billions of pounds more to people who have never contributed a penny to our system...
When Europe tell our government to JUMP they ask how HIGH. We need to GET OUT OF EUROPE.
In the year 2011 what possible excuse do we have not to stop this? we have BNP we have UKIP. Or do some of you want this? your choice.
There will be no jobs, no houses, no pensions, no health service left. for anybody soon. The migrants have bled this country dry. We can't take the whole world into this small country. Why can't they go to underpopulated places like New Zealand and Australia.
Grrrrrrrr this has really annoyed me.....it is very frustrating
To be fair, most people who come from East European or outside of EU are working 2-3 times harder than British people in order to establish themselves in this country. Without their contribution, London's hospitality and service industry is DEAD. We should focus on our own crisis - far too many Brits sit at home watching TV, eating junk food and complaining about government while claiming benefits!!!
The current system allows people claim benefit only if they have saving less than 16K. The biggest loophole is, no immigrat will be stupid enough to say they have 16K saved in the bank. The will comfortably saving all their money in the bank in their own county and come into this country claiming benefits from the begining. This is totally unfair, and will be quickly abused by millions of foreigners flooding into this country. I see the UK heading to bankcrupcy due to its own stupidity and mismanagement.
I was driven out of work 16 yrs ago, lived on my savings for several years. Then i found that because of the gap I am not entitled to a penny from the state. I even recieved a letter offering me the opportunity to pay £800 per year for 7years to qualify for a state pension. I wrote a letter to the then responsible minister, who more or less told me to get lost. This minister was later found to be employing his 80+ year old mother as a parliamentary assistant during the expenses scandal.
If we are going to remain in the EU and be subject to all these EU regulations then maybe all benefits payable across all the EU countires should be standardised. So that no matter where you claim benefits, the value would be the same.
is anything left in uk???
"Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now - mr woo , glasgow scotland, 3/3/2011 12:08 ----------We've already had one, when Edward Heath (Conservative) when he was Prime Minister. He took us into Europe and then we had a referendum as to whether or not we wanted to stay, and aApparently we did.
No taxation without representation! And no, those MEPs are not representing our interests, they couldn't even if they wanted to as they're a very expensive rubber stamp for whatever the EU commissioners see fit for them to vote on. We want out of the EU and I suggest we have a General Strike until we are given the Referendum we were promised.
I voted UKIP too. Even though they got 919,546 votes they received no seats in parliament. While Democratic Unionist Party got 168,216 they received 8 seats. Right... Democracy's so fair. I thought the Lib dems were going to change the voting system... I guess not.
The problem a lot of people miss is this: Under EU regulations all EU citizens must be treated the same under the applicable laws/regulations of a country. It is not permissible to apply double standards - one for foreign EU citizens and a different one for UK citizens. Other countries who don't have the same problems with benefits for EU citizens obviously have different rules altogether for eligibility for benefits. In the UK we qualify for benefits as soon as we are out of a job (whether you have ever worked or not). This is the whole reason why we have so many people on the dole who have never worked. If we are allowing UK citizens benefits from day one then we must allow foreign EU citizens the same. If our laws were changed for UK citizens (no benefits until you have paid in contributions for X number of years, then it would be perfectly acceptable to treat EU immigrants the same. This is succesfully done in other contries and can only be advantageous for the UK.
It is disgusting, when my partner was made redundant last year, after 6 months he was entitled to nothing because apparently I earn 'too much money', despite him having paid national insurance and tax and working since he was 16.......this country is becoming the Ubend of Europe.
Time to change our relationship with Europe......... Time to vote UKIP
THERE IS GONNA BE ONE HECK OF A RIOT SOON IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN THE SLEEPING BRITISH BULLDOG WAKES UP
I'm starting to feel very trapped and depressed and wondering if my children have a future. Is life worth all this worry?
If this is the same rule for all EU countries then wahts the problem, but it isn't. I wouldlike to see a UK peson come to Spain and claim anything from the state if they haven't lived here for at least a year without working. I f they have a job and lose it then Ok. That seems to be the difference.We need a level playing field across Europe. Peoplwill the truly be free to move around in search of work, it must work both ways.
god we need another Thatcher
You can either have a state safety net, or you can have unlimited immigration. You can't have both, the numbers just don't add up.
3rd world Britain here we come - we may be daft, we may be stupid - but the world will never be able to call us bigots! Labour has enabled us to hold our heads up high, even though we are now on our knees, and broken ....GOOD OLD LABOUR, and now thanks to U-turn Cameron and Part time Clegg we can carry on with this proud tradition - am so glad to be British!
absolutley sickening. I dont know how they get away with this. Do they not want the best for their country?? i just dont understand what goes through their mind that this is a good decison
CANT WE SAY NO?? THIS ISNT DEMOCRACY!!!!
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples! - Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 Fine speak your point but please don't insult our NHS system which I am sure if you were ill, YOU would use! Currently they are looking after my cancer ridden Father which would have gone into the thousands had I had to pay. Are you telling me you would not call an NHS ambulance if you had a terrible accident?????
My own personal experience leads me to believe that many EE's do indeed come here for the 'benefit' advantages. I paid into the sytem since I was 16 (18 years) and when I came back from spending a year abroad, I was unemployed for some time but not entitled to benefits because I hadn't paid my tax for that year. It's not right to blame the immigrants, it's the government who are an absolute disgrace.
Unless you take to the streets you will be ignored. i don't think you will so you will be ignored
Great Britain has just died. Maybe the National Anthem should be changed to "God save our sad little Britain".....why God? because the numpty politicians will never try to save it! Sounds like we need a REVOLUTION!!! Over throw the Politicians and have a People's Party. Benefits to be claimed ONLY by those who have worked for 1 year and then they can only claim for 1 year (just like the French system). You need to have worked for longer than you claim. As well as immigrants, lets get the deadleg chavs off the dole too. Get people creating small companies, selling services (DIY, cleaning, cooking, gardening, language lessons) to the neighbours if all be it - anything to get people contributing to society.
What an utter shambles the EU is. Not a thought for cost, the impact on indigenous peoples, national budgets and so forth. How on earth can any national government work properly in such circumstances ?
Stormtrooper said "You're not all disliked, just the ones who DO ONLY COME HERE FOR THE BENEFITS. You say you are working? In which case you pay tax into the system. Its those that pay nothing but take everything we dislike (and also our Government for allowing it). " Agreed in principle but the majority of these tradespeople file minimal profits, pay minimal tax and avoid VAT because most of their revenue is cash in hand whilst deducting all their expenses. The customers may be equal accessories to this fraud but it doesn't change the reality. I know one declaring £8k profit but has a £400k house and a buy to let using self-cert mortgages. There is also a massive leakage of cash to countries of origin which harms the UK economy.
The sooner our brainless politicians realise that being in the EU is NOT in the countries best interest the better.
And they can claim UK pensions in addition to their own which are higher in many cases than UK pensions are. This whole farce is a total travesty and if the UK is forced to pay these people, then our politicians need to take a close look at the amount we pay the EU and take away the amount we are having to pay non UK citizens. The only other possibility is to come out of the EU -then remove all those EU and non-EU citizens that EU membership has forced us to take in, feed, house and educate - that is the cheaper option and may actually give us our country back
Let's get out of the EU, then you will have to find someone else to blame for the bad policies our leaders keep making. It's all too easy for them to blame it all on the EU at the moment, and is probably a major reason why they refuse to get us out, and that even applies to the Conservatives who keep on insisting that they are anti-EU strangely enough. I doubt we will be allowed to have a referendum on it anytime soon.
If Cameron is still prepared to send millions in foreign aid to despotic dictators who use it to fund their lavish life styles, then he ain't going be troubled about paying a few million quid of tax payers money to immigrants.
David Cameron will never hold a referendum on the EU because he - like all politicians - look to Europe as a very luxurious gravy train if and when he is kicked out of office. Kinnock is an example. He was an abject failure as a politician in this country but went on to amass a fortune in pay and expenses in Brussels. It doesn't matter which party is in power - they are all the same. We could pay off the debt that Brown left us with within a year if we didn't have to hand trillions over to the crooks in Brussels. The only way we will get out of the EU is if we take to the streets and demand it.
The way to stop this happening is by changing the benefit system in this country so that only people who have paid tax in this country for five years would be able to claim. This would stop immigrants being able to claim and also a lot of bone idle workshy British layabouts from scrounging off the dole.
Mr.Cameron...JUST SAY NO. People in the UK are really starting to hate the EU now and there will be reaction to it if something is not done to stop this madness. Boycotting Made in EU products will help, and boycotting EU holiday resorts outside of the UK will too, but we need Government action...NOW.
ONE STEP NEARER TO THE REVOLUTION.......
Under the new rules being forced through at the moment the DWP will have the ability to cut benefit if THEY think a person is not making enough effort to find work. This includes missing 'back to work' classes they set up, even if it is to go for a job interview. Looks like they knew this was going to happen and were making the money available.
Tell the EU to stuff it, this is our Country and we alone should make the rules that govern it!
AM I GLAD my mum and dad brother and myself left back in 1957...because britain is only a pale Shade of itself when i was a kid ..its gone to the migrants
some.bloke, england, 3/3/2011 11:38.......So let me get this right....These people will not get a penny in benefits, that then must mean it is not going to cost us one penny for them to stay.....I have never known the government of this country let any illegal die of hunger let alone legals. If they are put in prison or put in detention centres we still have to feed them along with all the other trimmings. There is absolutely no way that 100,000 people can land on our shores and it will not cost us a penny. And even if it was just a penny it is still too much when our own people are going without. This lifeboat is full, we are going to have to pull away and leave those still in the water.
These East European migrants are taxpayers in this country. They pay their contributions, so if they fall on hard times they must surely be entitled to benefits just like anyone else.The vast majority return to their home country, so make no demands on the welfare system. It's very different to the case of British immigrants (so-called "ex-pats") in Spain, who sponge off the Spanish health system without having made any contributions, and refuse to learn the language or integrate in society.
When is this farce going to end? Its not rocket science. The Government has the ability to deport illegal immigrants but fails to so in any significant number. It also has the ability to ignore the EU when it chooses to do so. The upshot is that while immigrants get favourable treatment the rest of us suffer. Its plain daft and makes no sense. It wouldn't happen anywhere else. Come on Cameron do what we elected you for and get on with it.
the e.u is determined to destroy our lovely u.k. if our government refused to cooperate with this ridiculas edict the e.u could do nothing about it.what happend when france banned the burkah all the e.u.did was sabre rattling,nothing was done to france.what we want is another lady thatcher.
The question that remains now is is the EU trying to bankrupt Britain forcing us into the EU and to adopt the Euro ? Of course this would fit with New Labour's master treason plan, denying the country a promised referendum and selling out the country under the electorate to the EU. New Labour pushed its own politicans into the EU.. Kinnock, Mandleson, Baroness Ashton (whoever she is?) Cameron has his hands tied by a coalition government of which the Lib-Dems are pro EU. - Thanks to all you who voted Labour and Lib Dem, *YOU* are responsible for this. - aw, surrey, 3/3/2011 11:47..........Cameron could have his hands tied by a daisy chain and the wet, gutless wimp would still not be able to break out of it. You should have all voted UKIP instead of voting for the lesser of two evils. Cameron has no fire in his belly.
I do not see the problem here. Like many immigrants they work hard and contribute to the economy of a country. Some of the best workers are from the east of Europe. They are just as entitled to claim benefits as anyone else. It is what social care is about. They pay into the system so can claim. Too many Brits are work shy.
Simple solution - The rule should be that EU citizens can claim benefits in any EU country but it is paid at the rates prevalent in their home country. Economic migration would stop overnight
TIME FOR A GENERAL STRIKE.
The 'Daily Express' has been calling for the electoral reform vote on May 5th t also include a vote on the EU membership of the UK. Despite over 370,000 signing a petition asking for a voice on who actually governs us, Downing Street has responded that membership of the EU is in our best interests, and therefore there will be no referendum on this issue!!! So much for Dave promising to listen to the people! Why are these damned politicians convinced that they know what is right for us? Such arrogance! I am becoming more and more convinced that we need to take to the streets in huge numbers to show we have had enough of our country being destroyed, whilst the politicians aid and abet, or at best look the other way.
Well I can think of only two things to stop this problem.. 1. Opt out of the EU 2. Stop all benefits entirely, that way the scroungers who are already living the life of laziness can get off their backsides and earn a wage and those who are planning to come into the UK for the same life will think twice about it. Though I expect not many people will agree with me I think it is time that people earn a wage and get some self respect into their lives.
Out of Europe now please...we can't afford any of this club anymore..let's ditch our membership
"I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK - Roy, Worcester England, 3/3/2011 " Roy, what the article does not point out, but is in fact what is happening, is that this is pretty much exactly what the situation will be in the UK as well.
It's time we left the EU and before the winging Europhiles say we couldn't survive; well most of the world does very well without it. Norway for instance VOTE UKIP every time you can.
I'm from Australia, my grandmother was English and I can't/don't receive any pension/job seeker allowance at all, yet someone from a non Commonwealth Eastern bloc country can?! To say they're cracking down on immigration is a farce, all they're doing is stopped well educated people from outside the EU from coming in while opening the floodgates to any old person from inside it. The UK is being dragged down to the standards of the rest of the EU, which for the most part isn't as prosperous. Things will go from bad to worse.
When are we going to bail out of this waste of space called the EU, an organisation which we were duped into joining by dangling that carrot - The Common Market, for which I, for one, voted a "NO" in the first place. It really is time to go. We need a referendum or are the Government frightened of what the result would be!
The fourth reich speaks. Time to take our country back, stuff the Middle East, we need revolution here.
Can some one with a large calculator work out the cost of 100000 people who can claim up to 250 pounds per week plus health and schooling and all the add on,s and then tell me where the money will come from, thank you
What is the point of becoming an MP if you are only going to do as you're told by unelected bureaucrats, if you don't want to govern, resign and let someone else be elected who wants to do their best for this country. When you consider the length of time that Parliament doesn't sit, all of the school holidays, and the number of MPs in Parliament for various debates, says to me that they are not interested in running the country at all.
I moved back to the Uk for a short time and had to fill in Habitual Residence Test ,i'm 100% British but i had to prove i had a reason for living there,i was not impressed,no such thing as British any more,whether we like it or not,we are treated as European by our own Government:(( Living in Greece for the last 20 years,unless you have worked and paid in to the NHS system,there are no benefits for Greeks let alone foreigners,no council rebates,no help paying your rent,no child benefit,all we have here,is help from family. So why should foreigners,with no benefits systems in there own country get British benefits?
How can anyone vote for other than UKIP?
For the sake of our country get a grip.This cannot be right,are my human rights out of order? I cannot afford to continue to pay more and more taxes to fund anyone who has never contributed to the UK in their lives.
Exercise your right to protest - Stop the Cuts March 26th London. If you are in a union, check if transport is being laid on. This is your chance to take to the streets.
Only one party will get us out of the robbing EU, The British National Party. Guess what, at the next election, the sheep will vote for a mixture of the traitorous big three parties again.
What are you going to do about this Mr Cameron ? another kick in the teeth for the weary British Tax paying electorate.
The worse thing is that it is widely known that they claim benefit with their real details and also work with forged documents and these are cleaners in hospitals
Britain is not powerless to prevent this fiasco. All that is required is for Cameron to offer a referendum to offer us the choice of whether or not we wish to be part of the EU. This would have to be restricted to citizens of the UK and exclude foreign nationals from voting. However, I know only too well that I'm living in fantasy land.
This nonsense would never have happened under Maggie, you are a traitor Cameron
So basically British workers, who have become ill and unable to work are to be hounded where ever they go, the Government is trying to take our benefits off us... take our DLA off us and leave us penniless and homeless yet the bloody foreigners are to fetched over in the millions and given everything! What kind of incentive is this to our people? Work... that would be good, IF there were any jobs left open to Brits that is!!! NO to the EU
It's not just that they live on benefits - Our NHS is crashing down around our ears because of a lack of funds - there is a fundamental lack of housing for OUR OWN PEOPLE never mind those people. Our children (my son is 23) CANNOT GET ONTO THE PROPERTY LADDER - he has also been turned down for council housing because he earns a reasonably decent salary. THIS IS TOTALLY DISGUSTING and the message to Messrs Cameron and Clegg sort it out before we all vote UKIP
When I was out of work for 18 months last year for the 1st time in 30 years, I was allowed to claim JSA for 6 months only, after that I got nothing. So despite paying into the system for years when I wanted something back I got very little. Isn't it about time our government stood up and said if you pay nothing in you get nothing out, this means to migrants or people that have lived in this country and scrounged for years.
For those hoping that cameron wil get us out of the EU think again hes a europhile at heart.
I am just beyond disgusted at the chinless nature of our politicians. We are a people and we have a land - CAN YOU GET THAT SIMPLE IDEA OF NATIONHOOD INTO YOUR TINY POLITICALLY CORRECT HEADS PLEASE. PLEASE!
Can someone explain to me why anyone of any nationality should receive a penny from the state?
Now I know the meaning of the big society
"Get us out of the EU it is costing this country millions that we cannot afford. - Kathleen, Wakefield, West Yorks, 3/3/2011 10:26" Actually the E.U. Annual Budget is around £100 "Billion",.... Then there is aprox' 80% of all Vat collected, (it's an E.U. tax), & the E.U. Levy (tax) on everything we buy that does Not come from member states, (clothes, electricals, etc.), & that is somewhere between another £100-200 Billion...... Total = aprox' ££300 Billion,........ And what do We Get out of the E.U. ?......... Nothing But Grief........... Also,..Davey Boy Wants to Spend ££30 Billion on a So called Fast Rail Link to Brum',......BUT,...... At the Same time He IS TRASHING Our Armed Forces to Save £10-20 Billion, he says we Cant Afford.......... Now,...Do the Maths & you will Quickly come to the Conclusion that "Call me Dave" Has an ATTROCIOUS Sense of Priorities......... He's Quite Happily Destroying this Country of Ours While Brown Nosing the EUroCrats.......!
Well well well....... here we go again...........
Next they will be after a pound of flesh, from us, to feed the immigrants! Lets get the hell out of EU and get rid of the crazy government! I'm for taking to the streets, worked all my life to look after my family and help build up the country after the war. This government may as well ask us to open our purses and dish out money Willy Nilly! Over my dead body!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The UK needs to get OUT of the EU while there are still a few remnants of the UK intact. Otherwise, Britain will have to be spoken of in the past tense.
...migrants...........will no longer have to register if they wish to WORK for a month or more in Britain. The key word is WORK. Surely they can't just come here and register for benefits and all that that entails.
stuff the EU, and kick these leaches out.
It is so bad that these people can come into our country and claim benefits, when our own are being taken off it and expected to survive on fresh air, where is the justice in that, and we cannot complain about it because if we do we are called racist!!
Time to take to the streets and claim back our country form the morons that dictate from over seas. Why arn't our lilly liver government reacting in the same way the did when prisoners where allowed the vote. We have cuts being implemented at every corner yet we will pay millions to these parasites that have our benefit system ready for milking in their sites. Today the Middle East tomorrow Europe, lets follow suit and rise up and rid our country and lives of these blinker idiots that are hell bent on destroying the UK both from within and abroad.
An absolute joke, 5 million unemployed, bankrupt and still more migrants. Britain is finished due to pandering to the champagne,leftist,socialists.
Nay nay and thrice nay.........we do not want any more immigrants. We are full up. Do something Camoron. YOU PROMISED SOOOOOOOOOOO much but have delivered NOTHING. Things just keep on getting worse and worse . You can't blame anybody else, this is all YOUR mess. Put a stop to it, if you have the guts of course! Get us out of the EU, it's what we all want.
you get what you deserve. idiots voted for labour and clowns voted for the tories.heath took us in the eu and wilson kept us in.the great plan is the united states of europe so these migrants are entitiled to everything that the poor brit is entitled to.you reap what you sow.live with it or vote for the party that will take you out of the eu.the uk is nothing but a collection of sheep .anyone with sense left years ago
This why Cameron is robbing his own people in order to pay for this. Another reason why Great Britain should get out of the EU. How much more does it take to move these Politicians?
I'm voting BNP in the future.
Dear old Dave!talks big on benefits, then lets another 100,000 in! oh the intelligence!
Get out of Europe NOW.. VOTE UKIP NEXT TIME Our Government MUST have the final say, this country is BANKRUPT we cant afford to pay out more money to those that dont contribute in paying taxes, and come here for a FREE ride.. When Will the British people take to the streets and bring this country to a halt? Another LABOUR cock up to add to the long list.
This country is the Toilet of Europe. The Past and present governments are to blame they are weak and corrupt. Our Kings and Queens were once the ultimate leaders, they too over the years have become weak with no voice, the present Queen should take control of this country and put the british people first, if not why is she there?? Nothing good will come out of another 100,00 people able and allowed claim and to scam, EU or British it makes no difference any more there is no GREAT in Britain now, if I could leave now I would, but all the other country's have immigration rules they stick too, so welcome to the biggest open prison in the world. I don't blame all the people that come here and scam and claim, the only ones to blame are the leaders of this now crap country. PEOPLE, DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE LEADERS WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
Doubt the DM will publish this but if they care about democracy or the country they will. A competitor paper (DE) is running a campaign to force government to include Euro referendum in May alongside the political reform proposed changes we're being asked to vote on. If you care enough write to your MP now and demand they support the campaign to have a 'do we stay in or out of europe' question added to the ballot paper. A number of MP's already support it - we're spending £250Million on a political reform vote to it's a very cost effective way of getting the more important issue of European membership sorted once and for all. It's a bigger threat and drain on our resources than any other. So if you care get onto your MP now and ensure they support democracy.
time to leave the eu and if cameron wont listen to the people who pay his salary perhaps its time for the people of this country to stand up and be counted we need another general election instead of the one for electoral reformon 5th may. disgruntled gran
You are going to have to accept CAMEROON WILL NEVER GIVE A REFERENDUM ON THE EU. Even if it costs the tory/lib the next election. The man is EU, through and through.
Thought they already did - I guess my town is no different from most others and all day every day there are more of these EU dross hanging round all day in coffee bars, or street drinking with no work and no intention of doing anything except bum off our benefit system. More foreign voices than English ones now on our local buses, in our shops and elsewhere...
I think it is nearly time for the people of this Country to stand up for themselves and this, their own Country. What is the point in paying tax on so many things, and paying their taxes i it is given away to foreigners that have absolutely no interest in this Country except its "hand-outs? What on earth are we paying British Politicians for when they too have to obey foreign EU Ruling? The people have never agreed to the giving of British Sovereignty (authority) to foreigners. I wouldn't trust them to hold a referendum Anymore because the stakes are too high for them to lose. And the people would never be allowed to win. I no longer trust any Politician any more. Even the Census paper with its extra intrusive questions come from the EU, and is written in the EU Journal of 13th 8.2008, page L 218/14. Our Government have known since 2008 yet have not had the GUTS to tell us the truth. Do YOU trust them anymore?
No Englishman voted for this. RESIGN FROM THE EU NOW!
If somebody organised a mass protest outside Westminster to demand we got out of the EU and stop this madness, I would be willing to go even although it would not be easy for me to do this. I am sick to death of seeing the state this country has become because of the refusal of the leaders to get us out of the EU, as if our membership is set in stone. It is not. They are continuing in it for their own ends and not for our benefit. It is a tragedy unfolding before our eyes and we appear to be powerless to do anything about it. Treason on a mass scale been committed by what they have done in giving away our Sovereignty to an unelected Marxist Dictatorship in Brussels and never consulted the people. No way should we allow any more migrants and their dependants from the poor EU countries in when we don't even need them, or give them all this money as well when we are cut to the bone on our resources and the UK people are going without themselves.
Can someone please get us out of this awful EU..... Please Please Please vote UKIP (I voted for the Torise last time, But never again...
We allow anyone in and they can claim all the benefits they want, they must think it's paradise to come and live here in Britain and get the handouts they want, then when we want something, you try and get it. What's up with this country? Why can't they look after their own first? We then allow the EU to DICTATE all our rules and regulations from people who are unelected by this country - ridiculous. And we're paying for them all on their gravy train. Just think of the billions of pounds that could go towards hospitals etc etc, wouldn't need to be cuts then. No one else abides by the rules so why is it that Britain is the only country that does. Get us out of the EU now!
"Britain powerless to counter the move"? Absolute rubbish. All it would take is someone in the government with the balls to say NO to the EU!!!!! The sooner we get out of the EU the better off we will be. As they have been unable to get their accounts "signed off" for many years they are obviously corrupt to the core so we should be no part of it.
I hate to say this , people , but you all had the chance to vote UKIP and BNP .
Eastern Europeans and Asylum Seekers are coming here with not one penny to their name because they know the British taxpayer will house and feed them, we desperately need a Government that puts The British People and THEIR beloved islands before foreigners human rights, and EU legislation.
Why have the eu not disolved the english government. they do everything else to ruin us partly, they can do it completely by getting rid of the gov; while they are at it why do we have to subsidise the welsh scotish and irish parliments and people when they do not pay anything back to this broken country,.
Daily Mail ,please start a petition now to hand in to No 10 Downing street demanding a vote on getting us out of the EU.You can read the majority of comments on here as well as I can, Do it now please ,lets take our coutry back from the hands of the EU.
Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 11:31 Try and show a little humility and respect for your hosts - rather than just spouting off a venomous assault on the people who have accepted you to their country. Instead, you should try and understand how we work and what has happened to our country in the last 13 years - then you might, just might, understand where we are coming from. If you don't like us then please leave.
We shall fight them on the beaches......
No good just moaning about it, actions speak louder than words.
Leave the EU. Now.
Dave Cameron; How many more time do I (and others) have to say this...QUIT THE DREADFUL EU! Give us the promised referendum! LISTEN to the people that you were elected to represent. Show just a little bit of backbone and IGNORE the 'human rights brigades' and the 'pc crowds'. On leaving the EU, our balance of payments with the remaining EU will IMPROVE, trade WILL CONTINUE (these other countries will still want to sell us their wares), we will bve able to control immigration, we will be able to give benefits only after the claimant has worked for a period and paid taxes, we will be able to work to UK laws again, we will not have to support vast armies of EU beaurocrats, etc, etc.
Wonderful, an immigrant worker can claim up to £250 PER WEEK! not having paid into the system, or only paying for a few months, ands a poor OAP, having paid in all their lives, and in many cases having fought for their country, have to struggle on less than £100 PER WEEK! One word DISGUSTING!!!!!!!
I spend a lot of time in other European countries and believe me I would get NOTHING if I tried to get benefits in any of them Uk Dumber than dumb as usual They think we are a joke JJ
I agree its time we stood up to the EU, yes some come from these countries and do work and pay taxes, but many many more, come to the UK because we are a easy target for claiming benefits, I am a tax payer and I object to letting these people come here and claim benefits while I might lose my job because of all the cut backs. Just how much more do we take from the EU before we do something about it. No longer is this a green and pleasant land.
Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country - Anne Smith, Grey & Sad & Weary UK, 03/3/2011 11:50 UKIP are just as useless, they have more than enough greedy MPs dipping into the EU pocket, have a look at the official figures for the time they spend 'working' compared to what they claim for........sorry but it's time for the BNP, it's time to take our country back.
For people commenting negitively on yet anoher E.U Directive it's too late. You all had the chance to use democracy in the last General Election and vote for UKIP if you do not like the UK being a member of th EU. Your only options now are to"Lump It" or join all the Brits in Spain remembering here in Spain the government only abides by E.U. regulations that it favours and disregards the rest. Try getting any benefits here! although you can smoke any where you like.
It's like a form of genocide. They can ignore us as we are "just" British. Enough is enough. Time to stop complaining and start acting. I will only vote UKIP from now on.
May God Help Us All...
I have nothing against EU workers, most of them work hard and are friendly, but British born workers must be put FIRST, SECOND & THIRD otherwise we will see cultural and social breakdown on a massive scale....... British born workers must be put first!!!!!
Yes, well we've only ourselves to blame! If the benefits weren't so generous, then they wouldn't be flocking here would they? What about the immigrants from the third world countries who come here by the millions claiming political asylum? They get access to benefits as soon as they step on British soil, then they invite their large families over to join them here, I suppose EU immigrants are only going to be entitled to the same rules of getting benefits as the others, so that there is no discrimination by having to wait 12 months before they are allowed to claim. By all means, let's get out of the EU, it won't stop the third world citizens from queuing up to get in here though, there are many conflicts going on at present to ensure that. The government will continue to do as they see fit and let them all in on the false basis that they will be good for the economy of this country. They should simply stop making it so attractive to come here in the first place!
Bring them all! Plenty of room!
Can the last one out make sure the lights are off please?
Mr Cameron give us a vote on our membership of the EEC or go now
I see all the BNP and UKIP nutters are out in force today. These people are seriously deluded if they think that wasting a vote on these so-called parties will change anything. You might as well waste your vote by voting for the Monster Raving Loonies. In fact, they're not so very different.
"What really makes my blood boil is that only now will Germany and Austria are opening their job markets to the new members of THEIR beloved EU. Yet we have suffered from overwhelmed local services and a problems with housing for seven years due to mass immigration?"-- Harken, European Dictatorship, 03/3/2011 -------------------------- The UK had the option to restrict immigration from the new member states too, but the CBI lobbied for cheap labour (and still are).
One day after... 100,000 over 75's still working (mostly English I suspect).... makes you proud!
Its only a problem if you're skint. Where as me im paid very well along with partner! Happy days! - Anthony, Halifax, 3/3/2011 11:16 That could all change within a day...Let's hope it does you selfish man.
One of the major reasons I left England was the EU. Britain never needed to join it and should get out now and tell the EU to stuff their stupid laws.
britain unite, britain b strong ,B.N.P..u know it makes sense.. now its our turn
Aren't we a generous country eh; lets look after all the immigrants but sod the rest of us. My husband has had years of illness nearly died a few times but because he can peel a carrot gets knack all apart from £180 a month and I work my socks off so my taxes can encourage more anad more scroungers into the country, I love Britain!!
Damien Green's plan to reduce immigration to 'the tens of thousands' is just a lie. We cannot control immigration from the EU so we have a limitless flood from the member states and tens of thousands from outside the EU. All this at a time when unemployment is soaring and almost a million young people are out of work and with no future. I am sick of being milked through my tax to pay for so many people who contribute nothing. I'd love to have some to spare to help my own family. Cameron never intended to control immigration, despite his pre-election promises, and he's promoting Turkey joining the EU! A recipe for disaster for the UK.
Can anyone give advice which Country is best to emmigrate to?I simply have had enough!! this makes my blood boil!!British have to let this useless government know how we feel!!Marches anyone ?any suggestions ?!and lets face it theres more waiting to arrive in Britain, which we will be contributing to !!
This is immoral and verging on fraud. Most of these people have not paid into the welfare system (like most of us have) - yet they come here to feed off it. How low is the EU and its cohorts going to be allowed to stoop before something is done about their illegal and auocratic law making. I hope the europhiles are watching what is happening in the middle east (and to a certain extent in Greece) and taking note. This mad and nasty eu experiment will end in tears - mark my words!
Words almost fail me. Where are our politicians when we need them? Utterly useless, every one of them.
One day the British public will wake up instead of being more interested in Coronation Street/Eastenders.They vote for the three main parties and then moan. This new lot in power are no different from the last lot.We're giving billions in foreign aid and allowing hundreds of thousands of immigrants in.Those people coming in are very poor and yet the public wonder why 1 in 5 children are living here in poverty.Our hospitals are clogged up, roads jammed, housing shortage, Still WHO CARES, the country has already gone down the plug hole.The country is full up and we're broke.We need to urgently get out of the EU.
But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism' LIKE THEY STOP THAT NOW???!!!
Britain isn`t powerless to stop the move! All we have to do is leave the EU, tell them to get stuffed, reclaim our sovereignty & make claiming benefits dependant on having had gainfull employment in the UK for at least 20 years. I commend the idea to the house.
We need democracy in the UK.
How can these handouts be more than the amount a pensioner is expected to live on?! Hell will freeze over before "Call-Me-Dave" grows a backbone and defies an EU ruling!
Our benefits system and lack of oomph when treated badly means we are Father Christmas to EU member states. The other countries must be so relieved that we are so stupid, and will never do anything to alleviate the problem for us. So - please can we vote. I don't care what alleged benefits the EU gives us - we must be losing more than we gain. Out now. Bring back pounds and ounces, bent bananas and scrap cushy human rights for murderers and paedophiles.
You get outraged at this yet fail to be outraged at the money flying straight out of this country to Eastern Europen states in tax credits and child benefit. I mean this is happening right now. Lets be honest we don't even know if the kids exist.
I am truely depressed now how did we ever end up in this dire mess! GET OUT OF THE EUSSR NOW!
Right Cameron, you've spent a week talking tough to a failing dictator. Now's the time to put up or shut up to another failing dictatorship, the EU, show us you're not just another soundbite politician by telling the EU to go to hell. You may actually regain some of the respect that you lost when you compromised your principals for the whiff of power. If you don't have the power to ignore this EU edict then you and your government are of absolutely no use to the British people and Wasteminster will be exposed for the sham that most of us suspect it is. If the EU is in controll then all 650 of the self serving trough dwellers may as well be sent back to the sewers from whence they came.
DonÂ’t know why people are bothering over this, just because we are sitting with record un-employment, our health services are collapsing, education is going downhill rapidly, no council rented accommodation is available, and the country is heading for a horrendous recession when un-employment will rise to unimaginable heard of levels, but our Prime Minister is obliviously not too concerned, so let them all come and claim benefits, as IÂ’m sure our politicians know best. God help us can you imagine our country in a few years. One consolation however is that the country will be bankrupt by then and in so much of a mess no one will want to immigrate here or have I got it wrong?
this is got to be a joke .these people will take us for every penny they can get.its got to stop vote for e BNP government
A man who came over to England as an immigrant then had his "third" child here and claims all benefits under the son told someone in my family that he did not work because he "wanted" to spend time with his children!!!!!!!!! Laughable - my husband and I who are breaking even with our finances would like to spend more time with our children. Someone save us from this INSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great!!. It is obvious to anyone with foresight that the Social Security system is heading for meltdown. The increased number of Benefit immigrants who will be attracted by this, the substantial number of our own legitimate citizens who choose not to work and the blatant unchecked fraud that is going on will ensure that honest workers will have to give up more of their hard earned cash to keep it afloat. Bring them all on it will ensure that we will have to adopt a system whereby you will only get paid if you work or have worked. Can't wait for it, as reading about all the disgraceful behaviour of the abusers and our witless politicians is doing nothing for my blood pressure or hard earned wealth.
squatters, spongers...i predict a riot
This country is doomed. RIP UK.
My pension after twenty years of paying tax and insurance is £45 00 per week!( I lived abroad the other twenty years) What a disgrace this country is .I advise my children to leave ASAP
so immigrnts can only work hard and pay taxes but they will not be entitled to benefits.....who will get this taxes then lazy brits......this country is getting crazy
The idea is that they come here to work. No work, no stay! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
i predict a riot
"But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop 'benefit tourism'. You just know that statement is lie.
The British Government, Ruthless with the British taxpayer, spineless with the EU.
Just received my Northumbrian Water bill for the coming year........An increase of 9%, fortunately I can afford the extra but how many other people can't and how many of these people will be getting no pay rise this year, still as long as we can continue to provide overseas aid and more money for immigrants and asylum seekers thats all that matters isn't it.
Pentioners who fought for this Country get less than 100 pounds a week but east eurpeans who never put in days work can claim upto 250 pounds a week,I am lost, This is like pushing the self destruction button,
I never wanted to, but finally I know we have to leave the EU and regain our sovereignty. I feel like I am being robbed.
Just another kick in the teeth for the UK from the Brussels Gauleiters,Britons have to pay taxes all their working lives to to 'qualify' for their right to these benefits and have to watch thousands of foreign freeloaders get such 'rights' without contributing in any way thanks to gutless politicians who while accepting these dictats flatly refuse to grant British expats in Canada,(through the same EU courts) their right to a full state pension and no linked benefits whatsoever
RIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen? Anne Smith, Grey & Sad & Weary UK, 03/3/2011 11:50 Hi Anne, it's because not everyone believes all they read in the Daily Mail.
In a recent poll, 48% claimed they would vote for non-violent right wing parties. Maybe now that has gone up somewhat ??
I am so glad I no longer live in the UK, when is the country going to stand up for itself and stop the EU imposing ridiculous legistlation on them.
Look you stupid people we are the NWO . Do as your told. BAA BAA
Get some backbone Cameroon or the people will show how,its not just the middle east that is fed up
Now is the time to get out of the EU and send these migrants back home or to Germany & Austria if they really want them. Enough of this namby pamby left wing tosh, it is time for middle England to fight to make this country a proud nation once more.
Being in the EU is obviously a liability now, there cannot be any profitable reason (apart from benefiting the fat cat rich) why we should remain in this power hungry 4th reich.
I wonder what would happen if we all decided to leave the UK (all the people who have always worked rather) where would the money come from then to support these people? It must be reaching a stage whereby there are more people in receipt of benefits than there are people working. Have we not reached saturation point yet? I always thought policitians were intelligent people???? When are we going to have someone with some backbone and the desire to fight for this country?
Come on Cameron, tell us what you CAN do not what you can't. The country wants out, either the EU go or you will.
I get more despondent every day. If I didn't have family over here that needed me I would leave this god forsaken country. The only thing our politicians really care about is lining their own pockets before they get voted out. We, the UK citizens should strike over many things our so called government inflict upon us, high fuel duties, increased VAT, raising the retirement age, giving our taxes away in benefits however, but we are far too British to do so. Its totally unbeleivable how we let ourselves get here, we should have risen against the government a long time ago.
The HRT does not prevent migrants from claiming British State benefits. It is not difficult to qualify through the HRT interview. I can also confirm that English people are usually denied access to JSA benefits for one reason of another despite having paid the National Insurance.
BRITAIN IS POWERLESS, AND WORSE STILL SPINELESS ! ! ! HOW LONG BEFORE WE ARE PAID IN EUROES ? ? ?
This is such a non-story. The so called "Eastern Europeans" (A-8 nationals) were allowed to claim benefits since 2004 after they have registered with Home Office and had a full-time job for 1 year. The only thing that changes now is that they are not longer required to register. They still need to be in a full-time employment for at least 1 year, pay taxes, have a verifiable address etc. Daily Mail you should be ashamed of yourself for getting people in frenzy. And people commenting on this site should re-direct their hatred towards international financial institutions and businesses who are behind the credit crunch. You are being played by the right-wing propaganda who is financed by these people.
Interesting comment re other eu countries where you need to work 5 yrs for benefits However pushover UK only one week . Can we go and free load in Sweden now ?? STRAW was responsible BUT NOW CONDEM ALL TALK NO ACTION CLUELESS \HOPELESS \GUTLESS A complete JOKE as nothing will happen as with all their hot air
Can we not tell brussels to get stuffed for that is what is happening to this country well and truly , David Cameron nor those bloody politicians who kow down to the eu don't even listen to the people of this country let alone read comments in the papers and not just the DM , I am heartily sick and tired of having my taxes used for scroungers , idle workshy men and women paying benefits to children that have children , and the pigs in the trough mp's here and in Brussels, and what a pity we are so tolerant towards this parliment and it's unfair laws perhaps a taste of egypt ,is needed here and I shall be voting BNP at the next election for sure. For gods sake Cameron wake up and smell the manure that Brussels is sending us into. and get some backbone We would manage our own country without the EU we have in the past and would do so again..
Soft, soft, soft Britain! I am an immigrant, and I've been always amazed how easy to get British benefits! Who wouldn't want to live here? I hate to say this as immigrant, but British people need to take their country back! - Sam, London, UK, 3/3/2011 11:31=========================We know how easy it is to get benefits if you're an immigrant but if you're born and bred here you have very little chance indeed. When we read and hear continually about this but are unable to do anything about it, how do you think that makes us feel?
I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK - Roy, Worcester England, 3/3/2011 12:23 Correct... It's called IKA and it's the Devil's own job to prize anything out of the Greek system; they got it right, the UK shoudl do the same.
It's time to support the BNP and get out of this union which is totally destroying us.
I think its about time voting was made compulsory with a none of the above space to put your cross in then we just might get a government that listens to the electorate and does something we all want .look its own people.
The whole benefits situation has been rudely bought home to me in the last week. My husband and I have worked all our adult lifes and are now retired trying to eke out an existence on the meagre state pension. Our youngest daughter has worked since before she left school, went to university, married and had a child last year. She has had to return to work as she could not survive on her husbands wage alone. Now heres the rub, our elder daughter hasn't worked in over 9 years, has 2 children by different fathers, never married either of them and has just split from the latest one. She has managed to get a house costing £900 a month to rent that she will only have to pay £100 for, Tax Credits totalling almost £190 per week, (how, when she doesn't pay tax?), and income support for herself. This does not include her Child Benefits of course. This is equivalant to her earning £20,000+( which is incidentally the amount that her hard working sister earns). It's a kick in the teeth isn't it
it is time to come out of EC now sooner than later ..... England should also charge road tax for foriegn vehicles on a daily rate this would stop the scam of insuring vehicles abroad and paying no road tax here whatsoever as then it would be cheaper for them to tax and insure in england if they live and work here ......a friend had to pay £815 road tax for 2 and a half days road use for his truck in Switzerland as they charge by the kilometer..Just think how many foreign trucks/cars use our roads for free. France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Germany, Austria and Swiss to name a few all charge for using their highways even Poland charges by the day to use their roads. Now please someone tell me where is the BRITISH sense of fair play its time to charge them for the use and upkeep of the highways system as they charge us to use their highways. All British Road Tax Payers are subsidising foriegn hauliers at the expense of our own hauliers.
It's time we adopt a benefits program to what the US does between states. if you move to another state you are only entitled to the amount of benefits that you home state pays. So say you move from Utah to California you are only entitled to $82/week instead of $200/week. This would result in Spanairds receiving only the same number of pounds per week as they would have received if they had remained in spain and for the same limitation of the length. In Spain they only recieve Jobseeker for 6 months.
And what? I am Hungarian and have lived in the UK - working 'over' full time continiously and never claimed a penny. Although I see many British people being lazy and not wanting to work hard. You people are so comfortable, that you get to choose what sort of job you want to accept, if that doesn't come up - because YOU chose to learn a trade that is not a necessity in society, you prefer sitting at home and just live on benefits, draining your own country! In Hungary (and most Eastern European countries) you would be living on the streets with this behaviour!!!! PS: What did the British Empire do for hundreds of years? They were draining other countries... Which is true.
When are we ALL GOING TO TAKE TO THE STREETS ......DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK. We MUST get out of the EUSSR. It has almost destroyed the UK - that is the PLAN - TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE UK. Why isn't UKIP getting more support ? Why are people in the UK so stupid that we allow this to happen. When do we start the REVOLUTION - to get us out of this mad-house Animal Farm EUSSR. Just weep - My poor, poor, beloved country
My small rural town in Dorset is about to lose its library which is very well used, particularly by the elderly, many of who do not have cars and who have paid their Council Tax etc for years. The loss of our library will be devastating and the news that Eastern Europeans can come here, work a few weeks then claim benefits at a cost of miullions is salt in the wound of every rural town and village losing its library. It's morally wrong - like much of the EU and in future I'll vote for ANY party, no matter how right wing, that promises to get us out of the EU and if enough people do the same, perhaps the main parties will take action.
What really makes my blood boil is that only now will Germany and Austria are opening their job markets to the new members of THEIR beloved EU. Yet we have suffered from overwhelmed local services and a problems with housing for seven years due to mass immigration? How dare these countries not fulfill their obligations while trying to tell us what we must do. Time for the referendum and to leave this disgraceful, unmanaged debacle of a so called union!
Get us out of the EU now
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples! - Eastern European, London, UK, 03/3/2011 11:31========================You're not all disliked, just the ones who DO ONLY COME HERE FOR THE BENEFITS. You say you are working? In which case you pay tax into the system. Its those that pay nothing but take everything we dislike (and also our Government for allowing it). . .
I voted UKIP.
DM has already covered stories of new to comers to the UK being given housing and allowed to claum job seekers allowance, without ever working, the whole thing is out of control.
We have two choices. Get out of the EU or tell them to stick their silly immigration rules where the sun don't shine. They will huff and puff but I think we will find that the majority in France, Holland, Germany, Sweden, Denmark et al will agree with us
Isn't it bad enough paying out for British scroungers, without now handing OUR HARD EARNED MONEY (couldn't help but shout then) out to foreigners. Something tells me Britain is going to disappear and hard earning Brits are going to end up emigrating themselves. Actually, lets do that then WHERE will these scroungers their free money from, if no one is here to supplement them?
The question that remains now is is the EU trying to bankrupt Britain forcing us into the EU and to adopt the Euro ? Of course this would fit with New Labour's master treason plan, denying the country a promised referendum and selling out the country under the electorate to the EU. New Labour pushed its own politicans into the EU.. Kinnock, Mandleson, Baroness Ashton (whoever she is?) Cameron has his hands tied by a coalition government of which the Lib-Dems are pro EU. - Thanks to all you who voted Labour and Lib Dem, *YOU* are responsible for this.
Please can we come out of the EU before they all bleed us dry?
The Welfare Reform will clear the decks of UK claimants so that we can let the incomers claim. Why the hell are we still allowing the EU to tell us what we can and cannot do? No wonder they all want to come to the UK. Our Benefits policy will soon be......UK applicants need not apply, Immegrant applications welcome!!
Why are we so embarrassingly weak and useless over this? GET US OUT OUT OUT OF THE EU NOW CAMERON. There is no other choice. GET US OUT!! Unelected people in Brussels, unelected people in Downing St and we, the poor muggins British population, stuck in the middle. The Tory party is responsible for our being in Europe in the first place. Come on spineless Dave, get us out. Now we know how he finds it so easy to do soooo many U TURNS, he has no spine whatsoever. You promised us an EU referendum...when may we expect that please? Your stay in Downing St will be short, but NOT sweet, so try to make it memorable by doing JUST ONE USEFUL thing Cameron. You are a disgrace.
I do tire of this but I will say it once more.....this pontificating is pointless. We are ruled by the EU and our UK Government is rendered impotent as a result. Get used to it as all is lost.
Does this work both ways. So am I to assume, that if I want to move to Europe to try & find work - and then find myself unemployed I will be entitled to all these benefits as well?? I doubt it.
is it really possible that this spineless government (and the one before) do not realise what harm the EU is causing us? on top of the £11000 a minute we give to that corrupt institution we now have to give benefits to these people who flee their own corrupt countries
We're full and were broke and the EU morons want to load us with more immigrants. The EU has almost destroyed the UK.
Don't our moronic MPs think a Trillion in debt is enough. Maybe we should get rid of the Police and RAF entirely so we can give the money to foreign criminals, I mean spongers.
Looks like the majority on here want to leave the EU, well you better get on a plane and go because it will never happen, even the people you put in power have no inclination to leave. They tell you one thing and do another, the next step I hope is that we join the euro, that is the future. Dinosaurs are extinct because the could not keep up.
What on earth does it mean ' It leaves Britain Powerless to Refuse'? Just refuse access unless they can prove they have a UK sponser and a job that can't be filled by a UK citizen. How many more times are Europe going to kick the UK in the face, just for us to role over to get our belly tickled? It's obvious that Clueless Cameron and Clawless Cleg can't or won't lead us out of the EU, so just play the same game as Germany and France and only enforce the laws we want, and to hell with the rest.
GET OUT OF THE EU BEFORE IT DESTROYS THE UK. Any MP who is not inflamed by this should resign. The Royal Family should stop it. happening for heavens sake in stead of standing back and doing nothing. Our Fathers and past members of families of WW1 and WW2 didnt give up their lives defending their homeland for this to happen.
Listen to DCs interview on youtube and you will get the answer for it. He reaffirmed that his government has no plans to leave the EU, end of story I guess. He never once mentioned about immigration from EU while he was campaigning last year nor does he mention that even now. Nothing much can be expected.
I can't understand this.I went to Hungary to work,unlike in Britain where if you can't speak the language perfectly you have no chance of a job even if like me you have a skill that is sadly lacking in the country.I couldn't find anyone to employ me even stacking shelves in supermarkets so i enquired about benefits.No chance,zilch,zero,you have to be working full time & paying tax for two yrs to claim anything.So why is the same EU laws not applicable in Britain for migrant workers?I returned to the UK,signed on & tried to claim rent payment too,by the time i recieved benefit(6 wks) i was homeless & severely in debt.Maybe i should have pretended to not speak the lingo,claim to have several children,with no proof of their existence,& undoubtedly the benefits office would have pulled out all the stops to provide me with everything i could need.
Oh the joy of being in the EU, but what do they do for us?
Mike King Thailand. When it kicks off, or Catch something, youll be back to mummy.
UK in debt to the tune of £4 trillion (£4,000bn), according to data released in 2010 by the Office for National Satistics - £65,000 for each of us. National Debt INTEREST PAYMENTS alone will climb to £73.8bn by 2014/15, Institute for Fiscal Studies calculations. CUTS…More than 50,000 jobs are disappearing from the NHS, according to freedom of information responses, due to cuts by local health trusts struggling to save £20bn from their budgets. CUTS…fund for 21,000 people with severe disabilities cut by 2015. CUTS…The £359m Independent Living Fund (for carers so disabled can live at home and not in a care home) CUT CUTS… almost one million jobs lost in the UK because of government cuts in public spending… CUTS ...university tuition fees treble and now THIS?! SOMEONE PLEASE ORGANISE A PROTEST TO LET THE GOVERNMENT KNOW WE WANT OUT OF THE EU NOW... I'll be there, GREEN ARRW IF U WISH 2 B THERE
It is an outright untruth for Green to say they are "bringing immigration down to tens of thousands". They are bringing NET immigration for SOME non-EU routes down to that figure. GROSS immigration from all EU and non-EU routes will still be of the order of 500,000 a year. Half a million. DM - don't let him get away with that untruth.
Good grief its getting worse day by day. it all must be stopped .we canot afford it any more .the government is spineless and pathetic .for not standing up for this country.and its own people
It's total nonsense that checks are adequate. HMRC are busy cutting like crazy the people who check on tax credit fraud (I have a close friend who recently had her job disappear). Here's the deal: East Europeans come over, they register one child at school and on tax credit system. Single dad brings kid from Poland, no alarm bells? Maybe the mother comes too (briefly). Registers the kid at school, gets paperwork. (The kids don't actually have to attend - only 1 in 100 is checked, because of staff shortages). Once ONE kid is on the system, others can be added without checks. So single dad gets five kids worth of tax credits while mum & the kids live it up at home. You couldn't make it up. Having said that the figures show that the largest immigration issue is still with immigrants from Africa and South Asia where there's a post-colonial culture of 'entitlement' to handouts. (When was the last time you heard of an unemployed Chinese person? You just don't!). Ridiculous.
Time this government showed us what it is made of. No more tough talking, we want to see what you can do, get us out of the EU or tell the EU where to get off. This by even the slightest applicartion of common sense is plainly wrong.
We are a island and there are only so many tax payers,We can't sustain more people taking out than putting into the pot.If Cameron does'nt do something very soon he will see the worst riots ever to befall this country,with I suspect the full blessing of our disgruntled police force
Oh lovely - I can see where all this is leading and it isn't somewhere over the rainbow!
David Cameron please give us a Referendum. The majority of the British want out of the EU! I am sick of reading about EU regulations and directives - WE CAN MANAGE OUR OWN AFFAIRS THANK YOU!!!!!
- Karen, Stoke England, 03/3/2011 11:17 Karen I am in the same boat as you paid off due to lack of business last year,I signed on with an agency, I have worked only odd days, I have tried to claim benefits, but was told I didn't have enough stamps for per
No, No, No
So, hang on a bit. They can come in, prove they want stay here and get benefits? Yet I have paid into the system since 1968, took a five year break to go abroad, came back and was refused jobseekers allowance because I had not paid into the system for the previous two years. Where is the fairness in that???
Anyone else find it ironic that the very purpose of the EU (originally in concept) was to keep peace and prevent another world war - and now because of their insane and out-of-touch rulings - are driving more and more moderate people to favour the idealogies and vote for the far-right parties? With all this resentment building up - I hope history doesn't repeat itself...
Let us all take to the streets and protest like they do in other countries . Why are we always afraid to say anything over here?
Look the only thing is to have a GENERAL STRIKE. Then we can get out. They wont do anything otherwise. Its up to us We can make the change.Us the people
Its nice to know that the money I am loosing by getting my pension 18 months later will go to such a good cause.
This leaves Britain with only 2 options-exit the EU-lets vote! or reduce benefit entitlement and amounts to a point which is in keeping with other EU countries so that the UK is no longer attractive to scroungers of whatever nationality-Benefits should only be for the sick, elderly and disabled, and a time limited stopgap for those temporarily out of work-Why should taxpayers fork out for the idle and for those who want to hold their hands out to take but who have no intention of considering themselves first and foremose British citizens?
Powerless to stop it ? Grow up and get us out of of the European Union. That will stop it.
Come on Mr Cameron get us out of the EU now....
The government has been trying to cut benefits to certain groups of people (disability, child benefit, EMA etc etc) and now they will have to pay out to yet another group. Common sense says get us out of the EU. But no one in power actually HAS any common sense.
We need to leave the EU now! Before it sucks us under.....
Don't blame the ConDems (or Labour) - blame yourselves if you put your cross against one of those parties or failed to vote at all! Each and every one of you is a TRAITOR to this Country and its people! My conscience is clear - I voted UKIP!
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was brought up well.... TO NEVER VOTE TORY!!! Why do we bother! we have a spineless weasle as a PM, and all of his predecessors also... this country is an absolute MESS! Great Britain?? Pull the other one!!!!!
In the past when I've been between jobs I've haven't claimed with help towards my mortgage interest or council tax benefit because I couldn't afford to be unemployed for any length of time and took jobs with lower salary and prospects purely because I need to work to pay my bills. Reading this and knowing that other EU countries make people pay into the system before the can receive handouts from it disgusts me. I feel like signing the deeds of my home to the government, resigning from work to obtain income support, housing benefit, council tax benefit, etc, etc., to improve income and living standards to match the home grown and migrant ponses! If we can't beat them let's sink to thier level and join them!
We have no choice but to get out of the EU. Will freebies galore they'll flood here.
Typical Daily Mail rubbish and totally false. Not one of these (up to) 100,000 Eastern Europeans will get a penny of UK state benefits. The DWP has something called the Habitual Residency Test, which everyone has to comply with before they are paid anything. None of these people who are going to "swamp" the country would be entitled to any state handouts whatsoever. This garbage is a complete and utter non-story. But then, when did the Daily Mail and it's small minded readers let reality stand in the way of a good anti-johnny foreigner, anti EU, pro UKIP rant. Get a life you sad people.
Who signed up to this then behind closed doors, Gordon Brown by any chance? Whoever it was should be ashamed of themselves and what they have done to this country. I'm suprised any of us can be bothered to work anymore, what other country is as stupid as this one?
and my GP recently told me that if i am out of the UK for more than 6 months in a year, i become a 'temporary resident' when i AM in the UK,- despite still paying full tax and NI from 1985 til now-and that apparently means that i won't get anything but emergency medical teatment without paying for it. Thats good to know isn't it? How long will these lot need to've paid in for, to qualify for i won't get from now on as i am moving to Greece ? I asked my Greek partner what health freebies i can look forward to over here. He's only just stopped chuckling. although i must say it gets a bit better as and when we get married. Where is the 'quid pro quo' in all of this? i m not someone who'd come skulking back to the Uk just for medical treatment, but it sure does seem that priorities are skewed when a non-contributing foreigner gets treatment that i am now gonna have to pay for,after years of paying my way and visiting the doctor, as i recall , only 4 times? Its barmy.
Because we give freebies to anyone, our debt will just get larger and our currency even weaker. And as a result inflation will go higher for UK citizens..
So we do not follow the EU rules on votes for prisoners or the police holding DNA forever but we follow this? I suppose it gives a different group to blame for the state of the country apart from the ill,disabled or unemployed but must never blame the bankers oh no they did nothing wrong or the Labour overspend.
We need to get out of the EU NOW & revert back to making our own decisions. We can longer afford to be dictated by Europe.
You get exactly what you voted for, sorry but the UK is the most stupid nation on earth and a magnet for the worlds workshy,
BNP BNP BNP
If thats the case then ,How come British Pensions living outside the eu,have not had there Pension increased, Many with a pension of only £20 per week even though they have paid there NI stamps in full before they left to live with there family abroad.Seem that we treat others better than our own
The EU are a law unto themselves, they make me so ANGRY. They make up these rules with no consideration for the countries they affect. Our goverment has no back bone and we get lumbered with paying out for people we don't even want in our country. That may sound cruel but for me its true, we have enough in the country already and this scheme will just keep them coming. We are a country who gives everyone but the hardworking a free ride. It's time it stopped, it's time somebody said NO MORE!
One piece missing from your report. How do we claim back the money from the foreigners original members states? The entitlement should only be equal to that which the individual would be alowed to claim in their own country.
Well this government and the last are determined to eradicate any vestige of Britishness and culture i this country. Why the Hell am i at 73 Still paying income tax to fund these migrants and benefit scroungers. I haven't got enough money and I m also too old to emigrate or by God I would. I am sick of the politicians selling my country down the river
Brett McBain, Crete and Norway (ex-pat), -- Brett, nor can they. The DM is only trying to pump you up (which is why this may never get into print...)
Lybour signed up to all this, They didn't give a referendum on the issue! they signed away the rights of british people, there money, there laws, there freedom. Don't ever vote this sham of a party in again! total disaster and the party that ruined Britain!
Should we not have a (taxpayers) referendum on whether or not we should support any immigrants on benefits ? I hope the Tories will soon repair this damage. They will get an overall majority at the next election if they do.
I am one of so hated by Daily Mail crowd Eastern Europeans, living and working in the UK, and what suprises me most in this country is your unhealthy obsession with benefits. You think that the whole world comes to this country to live on benefits or use your NHS( the institution you are so proud of, ha ha). I came to this country 10 years ago and 2 days later I was already working full-time, and I"ve never been out of work ever since, mostly working 6 or 7 days a week. And not Eastern Europeans are to blame for your outdated , ineffective, unfair and too expensive benefits system , but your succesive governments are.Simples!
Soft, soft, soft Britain! I am an immigrant, and I've been always amazed how easy to get British benefits! Who wouldn't want to live here? I hate to say this as immigrant, but British people need to take their country back!
If there are very many thousands of potential illegals waiting in France to get to this country to live a life of luxury on benefits easily obtained here then how much easier will it be for these coming here "legally". Still if you keep on voting for Curly, Larry or Mo, then nothing will change.
What was it Cameron said during the run up to the election? Something like "If I don't come up to scratch then you can vote me out"? Looks like he's going to get his wish doesn't it. If he doesn't start saying NO to Brussels then this country will fight back against all the proposed cuts and this country will no longer exist. I truly wonder what our brave men and women fought and died for so long ago. This country is a shambles all thanks to Labour and I doubt if we will ever regain our pride and democracy again. I know for sure that if I was 30 years younger I wouldn't hesitate to take myself to another country that respects it's citizens instead of the workshy and illegal immigrants that we have here now. Wake up Cameron before the riots start because believe you me, they will, people have just about had enough.
OH, you mean people from other EU countries? why did you not say so...........doesn't sell so many trashy newspapers?
Why is it that such people can enter the UK and get such enormous handouts and pensioners who have worked hard and contributed so much to the country - in one generation's case fighting and offering their lives for their country - get just a fraction as a pension? Where's the logic - why can this happen? What is the justification for it? Why doesn't anyone ever raise this issue?
I give up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whats the point in working hard in this country????? Which way to the dole queue?
What is going on? W must be the laughing stock of all.
''Changes: Damian Green said Germany and Austria will open their labour markets to Eastern Europe'' And the band played believe it if you like!
It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer. you can fly from Poland for less than £50...so what good geography when the benefits outweigh the cost literally
More lunacy forced on us by the parasites in europe. "But the Department for Work and Pensions insisted that strict rules would remain in place to prevent abuse and stop "benefit tourism"." yeah I'll bet they will. Meanwhile us that have contributed for years continue to live on a punitive pension AND get taxed on our small private pensions with no hope of claiming any of the benefits mentioned in the article. Makes you want to emigrate perhaps to one of the old eastern bloc countries!
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
Will, London, 03/3/2011 11:03... Don't blame it all on the Labour party who is the biggest supporter of Turkey joining the EU our own Mr Cameron.
I have had to give up work to care for a sick relative as I have been unable to get appropriate social care for him and I get no money at all. - Mary, London, 03/3/2011 10:56 And no doubt some do gooders will argue that you're better off than some of these economic migrants. And as for our gutless government sticking up for you instead of those migrants, well just forget it. They are just in thrall to the Hampstead socialists and as they are usually millionaires anyway, they just don't understand how you must be suffering. The UK is a great place to sponge off the state!
This just cannot be allowed to happen. We are the ONLY country in Europe who act so generously to "incomeres". When I lived in Spain I worked for everything and there are NO HANDOUTS for anyone, especially immigrants or residents of the EU choosing to live there. This country is no longer a leader in good ideas!
Pure Marxism, Communism, Leninism, Blair/Brownism. The worker you tax to death, to the layabout you give them everything they need or want.
As my wife pointed out last night, you should not be able to claim child benefit if your child was born outside the UK. Also, you shouldn't get working tax credit or any other benefit from our Government until you have paid INTO the system for a certain amount of time. We may as well all go and sit at the Arrivals areas at the airports and just hand over our money.......
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
how can this be right when my daughter who has 2 jobs just to keep a rented roof over her head and as for buying her own property - well that will never be, she has never claimed a penny benefits in her life. Yet people who have never paid into the system 'take' money from the tax she pays (ie proceeds from my daughter's hard earned wages to pay beneifts!) - yes she is grateful to have work in this climate but she works hard and that is why her employers keep her on.
The BNP are not a political party, they are a bunch of of thugs with neo-nazi ideals. The government just need to get a big set of balls. And also learn to say NO
forget the BNP or the EDL have a look at the (The English Democrats party) they are looking very good at the moment
so go to Russia and claim some benefits
Can we all claim benefits if we go to their countries too ?
Looks like wages are going to be even more depressed. Who gains ? Employers - wontgetfooledtilnxtime, tyneside uk, 3/3/2011 10:45.......................................Exactly, which is why the Tories of New Labour had no intention of doing anything about it, and why this ragbag coalition of Tories will let it continue despite Pinocchio's rhetoric. No matter which party of Tories is in power tax evasion by the rich will not only continue but be activly encouraged by tax laws ful of holes. Rich ruling for the rich.
bombard your MP in anyway you see fit , WE WANT A REFERENDUM NOW ,GET US OUT OF THE EU.
well the migrants will simply go where ever the biggest benefits can be had and we know where that is THE UK the easy option is to cut benefits NOW b4 they all arrive plus their will be a positive knock on effect that will reduce benefits for those already living it up at the taxpayers expense
We aren't powerless we just leave this corrupt union,after all the EU knows full well that all those scroungers will come here,because we are the only country in the EU that gives people something for nothing,I'm getting sick of Brussels pulling the strings,we'd be better off out.
When will this insanity end? What if half of Eastern Europe come here, which would be in the millions, would we have to give all of them more money than some British born people earn!? Where is this money coming from? Oh yes, of course, the defence budget has just been slashed. That should do it.
why is anyone taking notice of that treaty...none of us got to vote for! that dictates to us what we must,nt and must do! even the EU dose,nt take any notice of it and does as it please,s and has broken that treaty time and time again. that in its self makes the so called treaty NULL AND VOID (No longer valid or enforceable) the same as any contact thats broken and our own law,s make it illegal for a goverment in power to had any power of our country to foreign power,s.......which was NEVER amended in law to make the signing of the treaty possible!! the EU allowed by the our goverment are slowly destroying our country and our way of life for there own gain,s other wise they would be telling the EU to shuv it !!
Its time to get out off the EU, are corrupt thieving government , are giving are money away to foriegners, while we suffer. The army should return from afganistan,and arrest the government,on behalf off the british people. And put them on a charge of treason
It makes me so angry, my Daughter a victim of domestic violence awaiting to go to court to testify against her no mark of an X, cannot get a council property to be near us her parents for her own safety and sanity, i have told her to change her name by deed poll, that would speed it up for her.
The country will go bust and the Europhiles will say how did this happen? We are ruled by idiots and the electorate are idiots for allowing idiots to rule us so the mad house is now GB Ltd. I despise politicians of all political parties because they have a different genetic make up to normal people and are some kind of alien species sent to destroy us. I fully support right wing dictatorships at least you get what you see not what your promised.
The only answer is to get out of the EU. I travelled all over Europe before any of this nonsense, received my stamp on arrival, which entitled me to a three- month stay. If you wanted to settle all you had to do was prove you could look after yourself by showing a bank statement or equivalent until you found a job. The government cannot keep reducing pensions, local services etc. and then be seen to give benefits to those who have never paid in. These migrants should claim from their own country and if they can find a job in the UK then fine but otherwise no money should be given from the UK tax payer.
Worked and payed into this club from being 15 now retired living on a lot less then these people are going to be allowed wheres my human rights oh yeah i dont have any i just paid in silly me
So when is the EU going to make the Government pay a decent European State Pension? £250 per week sounds a good place to start.
In a time of savage cuts this move is just plain evil. The Government is in the process of imposing savage cuts which impinge on every family in the country, then it proposes to give the savings away to foreign nationals who have never contributed anything to our economy. This is lunatic economics, and Cameron and co should resist this European directive on a point of principle, even to the point of pulling out of the EU. However I don't think they have the guts to stand up to their European bosses, and Nick Clegg would rather see Britain go to the dogs than dare to question His Masters Voice from Brussels.
Twenty two years of working with only a maximum of three weeks unemployment. Even then I signed on as unemployed but I didn't receive benefits as I signed on to a temping agency and declared all my earnings. I have an average take home pay of £260 (after tax) - of which I have to pay all my bills, full council tax and prescriptions. I'm currently thinking of applying for migrant status in my own country.
Cameron is a gutless coward, spineless toad, I remember him saying that he would allow his people, the British people, the tax payers the right to vote on the EU. What a yellow belly Liar! The man is a fraud, total scum bag and as far as I am concerned I hope something very bad befalls him soon. We all know why they do not give us the vote, its because we the people would vote NO...So what does that tell you.Its tells me we so no to war, they go to war, we say no to the EU we are in the EU. these self important people think they know better. They don't! they are fools, paid fools! Spineless, cowards.
So to all you British sick people about to be hammered by the ATOS Gestapo , look on the bright side , the money the govornment saves will be going to someone from the other side of Europe who fancies " Chanceing it " In Brittain !
i'm sick to bloody death of things like this the u.k. is fit to burst.......no more foreigners sponging off the hard working
I have come to the conclusion that Britain is drowning in its own idiocy.
Its only a problem if you're skint. Where as me im paid very well along with partner! Happy days!
How... in the name of all that is sacred... can it be that I cannot claim anything at all although I have a UK passort and was born here in 1965 but have been out of the country for a few years. I could not even claim JSA despite 18 years paying INTO they system.
Stop griping and start voting UKIP, then you'll not have to. Is it so hard?
Utter madness. We are always being shown "State TV" of Libya and Egypt to apparently have us believe that it is just showing what the state wants it to show re government policies, can someone please tell me how our TV Stations are any different. They are just the same. So in effect we are being treated the same as people in countries that Cameron wants to change, I think it's time he started working for his own people instead of bothering about everyone else. Plus if the rest of the EU doesn't have to comply with this stupid fraudulent use of their money, why do we. There has to be a reason why they all want to come here instead of staying in France or wherever they pitch up first. I'm begining to think that the Gaddafis have more sense than our own MPs.
You would not dare print what I think of Cameron and his bunch of spivs
go to ukip web site and sign petition
Steve, Durham, 3/3/2011 9:56 - could not agree more mate. I worked for 32 years without break paid a small fortune in tax and NI and after losing my job get nothing. Not a sausage because my wife works. In my last job I paid more than £600 per week to government and get zilch in return. Can I go to another country and get some funds without working?
Just one more of the many reasons why everyone in the UK should vote for the UK Independence Party (UKIP). Unless we have a moderate political party with the guts to take us out of the UK in Government, such as UKIP, then this country is doomed as it will be wrecked by the EU with the full consent of the pro-EU Lib Dem, Tory and Labour pacts.
How about Cameron & Co. funding the REAL UK citizens to leave this shambolic country. £250 per week, our own pensioners don't get that much and they paid for it all their lives and some who's relatives with their lives.
Does this mean that if we the English move to Lithuania they also must give us 250 a week?
for godness sake pay them to stay at home please
My average weekly food bill here is 42 pounds This includes fresh (still flapping) fish and seafood. My gas electric rubbish and security comes to about 20 pounds per month.. There are no parking fees or cameras or council tax... Gasoline is 40p per litre and the temperature holds at 85F throughout the year... Why does everyone want to be there...Ha ha ha
Are we getting the full story here? This is just unbelievable ... the third or fourth story this week that has involved EU intervention over what the British people want. It's all a bit too late now, as politicians of both parties have been secretly signing over our rights to Europe for the past 20 years or so.
I find it so interesting how the media is obsessed with Eastern Europeans whom legally come over and take advantage of 'our' system - I live in Mitcham, South London and I'd like to know why all these tens of thousands of Africans we have living in Mitcham are here - How many sub-Saharan Africa countries are in the EU? If we can't deal with these people from outside of the EU claiming our benefits, what chance have we with Europeans living in the EU?!
My god what have we been doing lately, I scrimp and save go to work getting up at 5:45 every morning dirve 120 mile daily at a co2t to me of £500 a month, so that I can pay my taxes to support immigrants to live on more than I have left after travel expenses, and I have to pay full poll tax because I managed to save a little.......THIS IS TOTALLY NOT ON!!!! The EU wants kicking up the backside why is Britain continually penalised?????? Is this DISCRIMINATION on Britain,
Germany and austria will open it,s doors to A8 countries maybe so but germany and austria don,t have a benefits system like the U.K.s nor does france,spain or greece to name just a few of EUSSR countries one has to pay in to there systems for at least 2yrs to recieve any sort of benefit.Unlike the U.K. were its money for nothing and digs come free. Mr green says the U.K. system will be protected well those words don,t inspire confidence they can,t stop migrants from outside the EUSSR claiming benefits so what chance has this coalition got of protecting the system from migrants from member states. One things for sure this government will bend over backwards to comply with EUSSR laws they have not got the backbone to stand up and tell them to take a running jump.anybody from anywere can claim benefits in this country except the people who are born in the U.K. they have to fight to get a penny out of the government.
By the time..... the EU has finished with us.... we are all going to be on our knees in rags. This utter - total MADNESS - has to end. EU - REFERENDUM... before it's too late...... which it probably - already - is !!
sick of going to work and getting taxed for the foreigners to end up getting my money, would we get money in their home country no, so why do they get it here Britain as no jobs it cost millions to keep our own, all i can say is get us out of the EU send everyone back to there home land then britain will rise again.
During my stay in France Iam entitled to' ZILCH'. If you cannot speak the language you are unable to get a job, no job you cannot draw benifits, no benifits no foriegn scroungers. Its simple. If the French and other EU countries can enforce its Law why is Britain ALWAYS saddled with this CR-P? Or is it because bliar and his socialist dross signed away our independance? A Bigot. Fareham
When I first arrived in France, as a fluent French speaker and highly qualified, I thought that it would be a relatively simple task to find a job, even a low paid one. But here you have to have a certificate to say that you can operate a till! If you hadn't worked here previously, and contributed to their system you were entitled to zilch. That's how it should be in the UK. If you've never contributed you should get absolutely nothing until you have. When I was made redundant in the UK, I received a massive £53 a week. How come they'd be entitled to £250?
This is why they are knocking people of incapacity benefit to make way for this lot.
"But the department insisted that protecting the benefit system from abuse was its 'number one priority'. A spokesman said: 'No-one can just come into the UK and start claiming our benefits" The only way you can't claim benefits in the UK is to have worked here and paid taxes all your life. The government don't care about the UK people, just about pleasing the foreign immigrants.
Shamoron, you are a disgrace. STOP being the doyen of the U turns and do what you PROMISED. You PROMISED an EU referendum. Although,there's really no point now in having that. It would just be another waste of tax payers money. You KNOW how we all feel about the much loathed EU. 99.99% of British people want us OUT. The Tories took us into Europe so it's up to the Tories to get us out. Come on Dave, your tenure at #10 will be very short lived so try to do SOMETHING useful while you're there. GET US OUT!!! Failing that, Mr Useless, YOU GET OUT. We have no leadership in this country and we are just adrift. SOS....help !!
Politicians are destroying our country and acting against the interests of the people, isn't that treason? We need action, as in the Arab countries, to get rid of the treacherous dictators ruling us.
More bloody scare stories from this paper:pack it in.
You pool fools, you have lost it totally; Every one will now to go England,, free housing, free money and no need to work; The streets of England are truly paved with GOLD, except if you are one of those who are still foolish enough to be in work, then you will have to pay for this . There will be exceptions of course, all those in the Public sector will get pay rises to cover the cost, but those of you that earn the money for your nation, well what is the phrase " Up yours "
..time to leave for Aus. Canada,NZ or USA my fellow Brits. the only thing that can save this country now is a revolution! (resulting in all members of lib/lab/con under arrest facing very serious charges) - Arty, UK, 3/3/2011 10:36::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Sorry As An Aussie I hate to inform you it's just as bad over there. Food and Services are heaps more expensive in OZ. Power costs have just gone up 50% in Perth and groceries are at least 3 times more expensive. Take it from one who knows.
I actually feel sick to the stomach. This is going to encourage thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or even millions, more to migrate here. Why should I pay my taxes to support these people? Who in their right mind thinks we need these people (oh, I forgot, the Labour party)?
The question is:- "'They will have to prove they have a right to reside here and will then be asked to prove their attachment to the UK; they will have to show an intention to settle here and their reasons for coming to the UK." The answer is:- "We intend to settle here so that we can claim free housing and all the benefits that come with it so that we don't have to work anymore".
Ever feel you're part of a game where you don't know what the real objective is?
Pull the UK out of the EU??????????You would really be down the tubes very rapidly.All your farming would immediately go bankrupt with no subsidies or export markets,swiftly followed by the little remaining industry you haven't flogged off to us or India.Plus,what would DM have to whinge about then?
I want out of this country.
What is the matter with this stupid silly Country, how on earth are we supposed to afford to fund this and by WE I mean the dopey people like me and my family who are busting a gut to work and live. Our son is just about to finish 3 years at Uni and would like to go on to study for a Masters, but this has been priced out of our remit because of the hikes in Uni fees, why do English people have to pay out for prescription charges when Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland don't? Just a couple of points to think about. My advise would be, all the English people should leave England, leave whats left of it to the migrants and let them deal with it, you'd see the rats leaving the sinking ship when there's nothing left.
The Department of Works and Pensions spokesman says are number one priority is to protect the benefits system from abuse, he should say to protect themselves from be accused of malpractice. After working 40 years I suffered an accident which left me disabled 18 months ago, the DWP sent me two illegal payments which I returned and I still waiting for payment for my sickness benefits which I am legally entitled to, even winning my appeal at the Independent Tribunal Service. I suppose they're too busy with all these foreign claimants to bother about the local population because they do not want to be called racist and be politically correct, with more European immigration into this country perhaps 18 months might not be a long time in the future for hard working tax paying British people as we will be put further back in the queue I am just disgusted with senior civil servants in this country
If being a member of the EU, means we have no control over our finances, then the question has to be asked:- why are we in this organisation anyway. The hole, that this country has dug itself in, is getting deeper by the day, so let`s get ourselves out of it NOW. `Referendum` is a word that does not exist in the dictionary of present government ministers, but UKIP members have a wider vocabulary and would not be deterred from using it. -- Tom --freedom --
What is the matter with this stupid silly Country, how on earth are we supposed to afford to fund this and by WE I mean the dopey people like me and my family who are busting a gut to work and live. Our son is just about to finish 3 years at Uni and would like to go on to study for a Masters, but this has been priced out of our remit because of the hikes in Uni fees, why do English people have to pay out for prescription charges when Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland don't? Just a couple of points to think about. My advise would be, all the English people should leave England, leave whats left of it to the migrants and let them deal with it, you'd see the rats leaving the sinking ship when there's nothing left.
I wonder if the European Union would agree that all pensioners should be paid the same as Soviet Bloc immigrants, we've paid our taxes, worked and lived here all our lives so surely we should not be considered financially inferior to immigrants, or are we inferior? I live on £130 a week basic pension, I've always paid what taxes are due, so surely I deserve to be treated as well as anyone who comes to live in this country! For heaven sake, get us out of the EU, we're British not European, although some in government want us to toe the EU line.....for some reason or other! All pensioners should write to their MP demanding equality with any immigrant!
Damian Green, the Immigration Minister, said:" We’re in the process of delivering major reform to bring immigration down to tens of thousands with the introduction of a new limit on economic migrants from outside the EU.” Won't happen,he's lying!
Why are their benefits not paid at the British rate by their country of birth and not funded by the British tax payer. If they want the life of luxury without a job, then their home country can pay for it. We truly are a soft touch and our weak, inefective Government will just roll over and do what the EU says. Are you listening Cameron?
VOTE UKIP - The tories talked tough on immigration and have FAILED to da anything. - Labour created this mess and should NEVER be voted for again. - Lib Dems are a bunch of clowns and liars (more so than the other 2 main parties). The whole of Westminster NEEDS a radical shake up before it's too late.
If you are a Brit working in a foreign country you are entitled to benefits from those country's. - Speedysnail, Poole, Dorset, 3/3/2011 10:19 A simplistic and naive view. The UK is probably the only country where you can be on benefits for life. In Spain you get 4 months doles ofr every year worked up to the maximum of 2 years. There is no housing benefit, limited child benefits (lower tax until child reaches 3). We are not playing on a level playing field. If all benefits were the same across Europe, you would not see this problem.
Yet another totally rubbish article from the DM trying to get immigrants, benefits, and the EU into one story. I'm susrpised there's no mention of gypsies in it. If you read the last few paragraphs you might find that immigrants can't just walk into this country and claim benefits, and never have been able to. - rupert, yorks,uk, 3/3/2011 9:34.........Do you live in Britain?
i agree take to the streets.
BNP.....it makes sense and the time is right ...
And where does the EU think the money is going to come from? Thin Air. Other countries in Europe don't give all these hand outs so why should we.
Im sure a couple of days ago there was a story of someone claiming benefit for hundreds of people out of one address, cant we employ him to do it for the rest of the travelling wasters seeking easy cash to send to their mother country and out of the british economy?
I think this is truly appalling, I was born in the UK, I have lived here all my life, and I don't make this much at work, I can't use my car any more fuel is so expensive, and public transport is just about beyond me, yet these lazy creeps come here and take money from the hard earned tax that people like me pay every month. Get out of the EU, and set the folks of GB free of misery, throw the lot of them out.
Stop blaming the EC. They don't insist France, Spain etc dish out benefits to new arrivals. It's our own gutless, weak, ultra liberal rules of entitlement, administered by Weary Willies who couldn't run a whelk stall. " They must prove an attachment to the UK and an intention to find work." Of course the Romanian gypsies do!
I have had to give up work to care for a sick relative as I have been unable to get appropriate social care for him and I get no money at all.
There always ways to get around any system.These people will flood into the UK in the offchance that they can bypass the system. When they fail then Human Rights and the lawers paid by us will ensure they stay and recieve welfare. The south of England will not be a very nice place to live the way things are developing..Especially for poor people..Whom does the EU benifit ?We should get out NOW.
Any one from Eastern Europe can come here and claim benefits whilst those like myself who've paid into the system for 40 years cannot claim a penny because I put a few pennies aside for a rainy day. Disgusting.
We must get out of the EU a.s.a.p, if we don't we will become a third world country, and if our government won't listen to us, then maybe we should do as the people have done in Egypt and Lybia?
Germany are so short of young people, that they will paying young Poles to move there to train as apprentices. And they will be entitled to full benefits, Perhaps the UK should start to worry about this competition.
There's only one party now will get us out of this mess...
If only our leaders stopped bleating on about there being no money for all the services, and PULLED US OUT OF THE EU, there would be plenty of money to spend on these things. The truth is, the top politicians are in it for themselves, wanting to expand the EU Empire so they can eventually have a world government ruled by an elite, with them being part of that elite of course. They certainly are not handing over all that money each year to the EU Dictatorship for the benefit of the people of the UK. Quite the reverse, the ordinary people get NOTHING at all out of it, though the rich land owning cronies of those in power get hundreds of thousands from it in subsidies. Meanwhile, we are paying all that tax for this to happen. The unelected gravy train elite who are running the EU have got to be some of the most self serving people ever born. Yet we allow them to get away with it because we keep voting the same three Parties into power, and they will do nothing about it.
yet people like me who lost there job late last year are peanalised for the slightest thing, i missed one interview, immediately rebooked and attended, have applied for countless jobs but they stop a week of my money for missing one interview,now im really struggling. ive worked my entire adult life but now im facing hard times the government looking for ways to stop benefits for people including people who are seriously trying to get back into work. its almost like they want revolution here!!! they keep pushing the people to anger!
that's why most Africans and Middle Eastern immigrants don't stop when they land in Greece or Italy , nor do they stop as they pass through Germany, Austria, France and the Netherlands, they come straight here!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh they do stop here but not in the thousands that are going to Britain. They come here and take the jobs and then get the choice of paying their tax here or back in Poland for example. The government is losing tax from these people plus having to pay unemployment money to the Dutch who were put out of work. Their drinking is another problem. Sorry to say that, but you read just about every day that some trucker has been caught over the limit while in charge of a truck. Still, if the Dutch companies want drunks and workers who don't understand or attempt to understand the language. So be it but it will come back on them in the future.
Mr Cameron listen to your people,the people you represent ! GIVE US A REFERENDUM ON THE E.U. NOW !
Just what the UK needs! Come one come all, the more the merrier.
We are full enough as it is, makes me sick it really does. I work so hard to support a family of four on one income and yet a foreigner comes in and claims the full allowance simply for being here....where do we all queue up to leave?
The law changes will come into effect within weeks as the European Union scraps restrictions imposed when eight states joined the EU in 2004, and it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move. Britain is not powerless to counter the move, the leaders just don't want to lose the personal benefits they will have now or at a later date. The government also want millions off benefits, is this so they can pay the immigrants instead
We need to say NO ! and refuse entry to them ! What will the EU do if we do this ? Impose fines ? Great - don't pay them ! Jail the whole British Nation - er no! Put us us against a wall and piut a bullet in our heads ? Not really Expell us from the EU ? GREAT - BRING it on JOB DONE ! There are no problems, only solutions !
What i want to know how many other EU.countrys pay benifits to them , we have and how much would they get there.We have become the dumping ground for all the other EU states.
Read the article. No one can simply enter and claim benefits. Honestly, what is wrong with people who have been paying tax into the system claiming the benefits that that tax pays for if and when they need it? What does their nationality have to do with it? It's no more wrong for a Latvian in the UK to claim British unemployment benefit having lost their job than it would be for me, a Brit in Germany claiming German unemployment benefit if I lost my job. In both cases we are actually entitled, having paid into the system. Sometimes people forget all these European arrangements are reciprocal. And that the rest of Europe is also opening its labour market (in May). That combined with the collapse of the pound (from €1.50 to €1.15) is making the UK a far less attractive place to work for eastern Europeans.
Remember at the next election, there is only one party that will put British people first and you know which party that is. - Jon, Cleveland --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which party is that, John?
This country is being run by a LIBERAL FASCIST ELITE that has only one aim, the complete distruction of British people and our culture. Now it does'nt seem to matter what party they are or coalision of parties, the rest of the world comes first, the British people last. Words fail me.
This is outrageous, our pensioners have to subsist on a fraction of this money and yet, the greater majority have contributed to the system all of their working lives. This government havn't the guts to tell the EU that we will not obey their dictat. Lets get a government with some 'bottle'.
Why ?
There will be a very easy way round this but it will be interesting to see if our government is interested enough to find it. In terms of arguing about prisoners and their right to vote, I think immigration is far more important. So we'll just have to wait and see whether our government thinks the same.
the only way out..B.N.P and put a stop to this nonsense now....
The UK is bankrupt, over populated and in the midst of so called austerity! How can foreigners get benefits? Payment of National Insurance should be required for any benefits! This rotten country has the worst politicians and government in the world, they sem to be steeped in collective madness. We must abandon the equally mad EU. Please vote for the BNP or UKIP, we must give up on the con/lib/lab dunderheads.
Time to forget your false self pride, Great Britain! And dare not call me an Eastern European, I come from the Czech Republic where life is so much better than here for us ordinary people! Your country is on the way to hell.
Looks like wages are going to be even more depressed. Who gains ? Employers
I cant wait only when the country is completely over run will they learn, becuase the immigrants wont be paying any tax to fund the madness. Roll On the destruction of England, Rule Britania needs to be changed as we are already slaves to the EU
We need out of the EU now. Cameron says he is handing power back to the people,but although 85 percent want a vote on this issue,we Brithish are denied a vote as it is only for democratic countries.
Give us the b----y referendum we were once promised...NOW.
The EU is using us as a dumping ground time to get out I think.
Meanwhile pensioners who have paid tax all their lives are sitting indoors with coats on and eating one meal a day. Disabled and dying people worrying whether they will now be deemed fit to work and their allowances stopped. Beacause this country is BROKE, Spineless gutless government get us out of the EU now!
If we have to pay them benefits , which i believe is totally unacceptable, then they should only be paid the same amount they would recieve in there own country , that should apply to all immigrants ,untill they have contributed to the Pot ,its not science
Spoeedysnail in Dorset - I lived in Spain for 10 years and as far as I know, if the rules haven´t changed, you had to live there for 2 years to claim anything. It would be nice if all OAP´s could have 250 GBP a week - then we could live it up. What with free prescriptions in Wales and Scotland and now 250GBP a week for immigrants, then the High Speed train to pay for, then the Olympics, which which leave us broke, we don´t have a very rosy future.
Enough is Enough! It's bad enough we have allowed our own scroungers to live off the state for so many years without being forced to take in other countries! It's an outrage that someone who has never lived in this country or contributed a penny, can wlak through our boarder patrol and be entitled to be looked after for the rest of their miserable lives! Cameron and Clegg if you want another stint in the top jobs BLOCK THIS PATHETIC LOOP HOLE NOW!
It is time that we learned a few lessons from the Egyptians and the Tunisians, and liberated ourselves from the kleptocracy.
I can assure you this will not apply in France. It is rare to find foreign workers in France, Why?
Maybe they could extend this courtesy to the Libyans who will arrive here shortly?
so where will the money come from,with all the cuts being made plus the money we waste on other countries now we can ill afford this,i wish I could emmigrate and get the hell out of this country.
Watch people pack in work by the thousands. Why am I working? I am taxed to extinction to pay for these freeloaders. Why should people claim benefits who have made absolutely no contribution to them. Bankrupt? You ain't seen nothing yet. Europe will succeed where ZanuLabour only took us to the brink.
..time to leave for Aus. Canada,NZ or USA my fellow Brits. the only thing that can save this country now is a revolution! (resulting in all members of lib/lab/con under arrest facing very serious charges)
If they are unemployed anyway then they might as well be unemployed in the most generous nation for benefits and housing and unfortunately that is us! Why wouldn't they come here? It's a disgrace our political elite have allowed our country to become powerless against this.
So, at last, will someone see that there is an urgent need to CUT UK benefits so they are no higher than those in other EU states. That should end all the problems and may reduce my tax liability. After all we're all in this together.
And has long has the muppets(voters)keep voting in the current crop of politicians, there will be no stopping the communist EU,has they are all EU friendly,didn't they all promise a referendum in their manifestos, then reneged on that promise, yes folks they LIED too you ,this country will sink under the weight of all the scroungers making their way through Germany and France too get too the land of milk and honey,Trouble is soon enough we indigenous people will be eating bread and just plain water,while the scroungers have £££ thrown at them,its just a national disgrace, vote independent next time. party politics is ruining us all.
The sky is full of flying pigs. I do not believe one word they utter.
I have just tried to claim living allowance from the benefits agency due to a herniated disc in my back and nerve damage in my left leg and i have been told i am " not entitled " to any financial help at all, even though i had a dr's note at their request. Some days i can have an 'ok' day, and other days, i can't roll over in my bed or stand or walk, or sometimes get off the toilet without crying out because of the pain. I was born here, my entire family were born here, and yet genuine people like me who really ARE unable to work don't get any help. I feel SO let down, i could just cry after reading this.
What a joke
There's is a huge difference between 'can' and 'will', however if it was even 10% of the scare number quoted, it's crystal clear the country can't afford it.
beggars belief.
make you laugh dont it,give millions to other countries now millions to those that have never payed into the system being able to claim thousands
The time to take to the streets has arrived.
How many people will have to lose their jobs to fund this? The real cost will be significantly higher than this, becuase they will get free NHS etc. "It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer". This statement is complete nonsense. We are the furthest away, yet the greater number come here, bypassing Germany and Austria on the journey. I am in complete despair and wonder why I bother working and paying taxes anymore. The bankruptcy of Britain moves a step closer, probably sealed when Cameron gets his wish for Turkey to join. I fear the 2010 election was our last chance for real change, I can't see a way back now.
When are we going to take our country back, from these morons. We need new leadership, the three main politicial parties are no longer fit for purpose. We also need to take to the streets.
This is yet another reason we want out of the EU. We no longer rule ourselves. Unelected idiots from Europe who are paid a fortune are telling us what to do. We need some form of revolution to get us out. The current lot of politicians will not do it because they are are weak as dishwater and to a man are all YES men
And so it continues...
Daily Mail immigration scare story -yawn, yawn ,yawn. Will Cameron have a referendum on EU membership -NO. He hasn't got the bottle.
Oh the DWP with make sure the system is not abused by the migrants, but they can't even stop the British people abusing the system.
UK is a joke
God help us. We are already bankrupt.
And would British migrants to these EU and non EU countries be able to claim the same amount on a recipricol basis? I DONT THINK SO, its just the same old story of the EU mugging the British taxpayers and our spineless politicians afraid to stand up for our rights, not that we have many left. Up to 100,000 migrants from the Soviet Block will be eligible for the payout demanded by the fraudalent EU, and the British Government is powerless to stop it, So whats the point of having these useless politicians that are overpaid and actually have the Gall to call themselves the British Government when its plain to see its the Cretins in the EU that tell them what to do and how to rob us, the British Government in my view are just the middlemen taking their cut and handing the rest of our money to European Fraudsters. PS Cameron you are losing a lot would be Tory voters to UKIP and the BNP and who can blame them.
We do need any foreigners here. Britain has no jobs, schools, housing and our NHS is at breaking point. the millionaire government is making more and more British people redundant. We must get out of EU, they make laws that are ripping off the British worker and taxpayer.
Get us out of the EU it is costing this country millions that we cannot afford.
"..............It is thought that many will now be attracted to Germany and Austria, which are geographically nearer."................But the big question is....Are the benefits as good and as easy to get there as they are here, (well for foreigners at least). Think my maths are right £250 each for 100,000 over twelve months is....£1250,000,000...1.25 billion pounds...not much when you say it fast. Remember at the next election, there is only one party that will put British people first and you know which party that is.
It's about time we started reneging on our commitments - other countries do - no way should we sanction this latest edict from the European Union - come on UK Government - tell them to get stuffed
'We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse. The reality-- this is what will actually happen. Flood of claims, not enough trained staff to deal with the claims in the strict time limits allowed ; nor will there be any desire to pursue difficult cases including obvious fraud. In order to comply with targets all smaller claims will be automatically allowed. This will become common knowledge in the migrant community and multiple claims just below the automatic threshold will swamp the system.
I work in Greece. You have to have worked and paid your tax and their NI for two years before you can claim benefits and show proof that you have paid your taxes before you get any benefits. The same should apply in the UK
This is totally wrong. They should have to pay into our system for at least 2 years if not longer before getting any benefits. No wonder this country is being overrun by immigrants.
Get us out of this EU bureaucratic asylum NOW. We need some very urgent action
STOP IT NOW.
While we are at it, shouldn't we take in all the Arab refugees as well. Being a delveloped nation we need to set an example for the rest of the world to follow. There are some lovely mansions around that could do with having immigrants in them.
And the powers that be wonder why over 50% of the english people are in support of a far right party to curb/stop immigration. It won't be long before that figure is 80% and then we'll have trouble, mark my words.
And this is new news? There are enough people sponging off our handouts already, this isn't shocking news and doesn't come as a surprise. Joining the EU has been the most disastrous move ever made and allowing these types of benefits is a mockery to the taxpayer, the elderly and those who have devoted their lives to protecting and serving this country. Its disgusting. I have been made redundant recently, have been working continuously for 20 years and cannot claim any benefits at all. It makes me want to vomit.
No words casn actually put into context how fed up, disgusting and disgraceful this is to British tax payers. Also, there will be many more coming here than the estimates suggest... there always is. A life on benefits in the UK is paradise for many people from these countries. And also there will be mentally ill British claimants and other genuine claiments receiving benefits today in the UK that will be taken off them in the next couple of years to save money and they will be replaced by non genuine claiments from soviet block countries. We must get out of the EU now or basically it is the end of the UK.
Go to hell! Out of the EU now, and new govt ukip/bnp govt will do me fine thanks.
This is a criminal act of theft from the tax payers! Something must be done about this to save the economy and the livelihoods of British citizens.
Come to Britain ... free handouts, free handouts. Open out your hand so we can count out a pile of pound notes for you. Roll up .... roll up .... plenty of taxpayer's money going begging. You want more?! Of course you can have more .... just spout any old reason to justify it and you can have extra! What happens when you want to go home? Don't worry, we'll send you some there. Are you entitled? Of course you are: you've got an Insurance Number haven't you? Not interested in where or how you got it: main thing is you've got it so we can give you lots of money. What about the British taxpayer who've paid all their lives and having their benefits cut now? Nah, don't worry about them: they can pay for things themselves. Roll up .... roll up!
such a joke what exactly does EU membership do for us? Hardworking people in the Uk are being penalised whilst people from other countrys seem to get everything handed to them on a plate
Have we no 'medicine' for this type of sickness. ?
Meanwhile we wait for our referendum , I'm convinced that our parliament has no authority whatsoever and is ruled by the unelected elites within the EU, There is a employment crisis and more cuts are about to bite yet we still entertain this madcap policy imposed on us by the EU on unfettered immigration from within the borders of Europe, when will these idiots who are supposedly in charge here get a grip on reality and get us out of the EU before its too late.
What a shame we are "forced" to implement something that most of us don't want. Now we don't run our country anymore due to gutless politicians. I am sure I was promised a referendum once on Europe. Ah well, another lie.
this is outragous, when will a government in this country have the balls to say enough is enough, along with many in this country is it time for us to think about the way we vote.We just cannot aford to go on like this, it is simply suiecidal for the country that i love. .
If protecting the benefits system from abuse is their ' number one priority ', why do I know so many people openly abusing it ? Just within my own small community their are people working cash in hand , those claimimg to be living apart whilst still a couple, single mums deliberately getting pregnant once their youngest child turns 7 to avoid finding work, and those climimg DLA for ridiculously minor health problems that their children have. Even though these people have been reported , nothing ever gets done.
Better start printing some more money then. Makes you wonder why the people of the UK go to work just to see 30% of their income go in total waste to the EU and it's stupid policies.
How come having worked for fifty four years, having paid all my taxes, and then having to retire through ill health, I only get a little over one hundred pounds a week, and despite having very little money in the bank I don,t qualify for any benefits. It makes me sick.
How much longer do we have to put up with the tyranny that is the EU? African and Middle Eastern countries are taking to the streets to overthrow dictators and the EU is no less than that. Human rights? What about the British tax-payers rights? Really is time to tell the EU to stuff it and withdraw from this petty dictatorship.
This is so, so, wrong. We are being bled dry by countries who DON'T allow their own countrymen to CLAIM benefits. This country is a benefit free country for every scrounger from foreign countries. It has to stop, we HAVEN'T GOT ANY MONEY for them.
I think that the EU needs to make sure that France comply with this ruling, this country is overfull while there is plenty of room for them in France.
I do not think that any UK Government will evermanage to pay off the massive debt that is hanging ove out heads. The EU are not helping countries get over the reccession.They are just ploughing along doing things there on way. The whole EU system needs to be overhauled. or we shoiuld get out and then we can allow in this country whom we want and not be persistanly dictated to.
OUR COUNTRY ...IS A ..................JOKE! AN INSULT TO US BRITISH
Sooner, rather than later, this country is going to revolt over our continued membership of the EU and the ECHR. We want our sovereignty back and our RIGHT to self-determination! Sadly, the ECHR will never grant the latter, although it supposed to uphold human rights. Referendum now!
250 pounds a week !!!!! , Totally and utterly immoral, when you consider this is more than twice the amount our state pensioners get, and these European migrants have not paid a brass halfpenny into the pot. It gets worse and worse eh The sooner we get Nigel Farage and the UKIP in No ten the better,or come to that anybody , instead the main three, DON,T BOTTLE IT NEXT TIME FOLKS AT THE BALLOT BOX 11 otherwise it will go from bad to worse ,and worse and worse etc etc etc !!!!!!!!!!!
It is crass stupidity to pay job seekers allowance, council tax benefit, housing benefit and all other subsidies to anyone who was not born and brought up in Great Britain. The sooner what was initially called the Common Market when I voted for it accepts this the better. This country has had the Great taken out of Great Britain by ill judgments of our own politicians in conjunction the greedy mind set in both Brussels and Strasbourg.
Powerless to stop this? Not so, we can tell the EU to shove it and the sooner the better. It is ludicrous we should have to pay benefits to *anyone* who hasn't contributed to this country. A whole new level of idiocy when we have to pay for foreigners' children (still living in another country) child benefits as well. A lunatic asylum is postively sane by comparison.
Would the last person to leave this dumping ground, please switch off the lights.
So what is the point of Parliament then? We are ruled by the EU as Great Britain is dead. It is now time to have an English Assembly because all the other countries in the Kingdom have one. OR maybe quit the EU!
A spokesman said: 'No-one can just come into the UK and start claiming our benefits. 'We have strict rules in place to protect the system from any abuse. Ha,ha,ha,ha. No we don't. This idiot should try reading about the daily fraud cases involving £millions of our taxes being given away because we do not have proper checks in place.
well no point changing now just continue screwing the british people
How I wish Mr. Cameron would stop trying to dance on the world stage and sort out the vast array of problems his own country has, most of them brought about by unfettered immigration. This is a SMALL island and has not benefitted from its membership of the EU; quite the opposite. How low have we to sink before the eyes of those in power are opened and they start tackling the blaze? The British have fought for their freedom down the centuries only to become their own executioners. How sad.......and how frightening. Out of EU now and CLOSE THE BORDERS.
I guess the new benefit reforms announced,which would save the government over £5bn,is going to be paid out in benfits to Eastern European migrants.Or to make it sound easier. All UK citizens on benefits will be having their benefits cut so that migrants can claim benefits.
Madness!!! I would like to be earning £250 a week.
YOU STUPID, STUPID PEOPLE ! Anybody that works and pays tax in the UK now must be mentally certifiable.
This can't be allowed to happen, this government must stand up to Europe and refuse to accept their decision to allow immigrants from Eastern Bloc countries to claim benefits, rebates or housing. As a matter of fact this government needs to return these people to their own countries and let them be kept there. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. CAMERON YOU DIDN'T LISTEN TO THE BRITISH PEOPLE AND NOW IT WILL COST US DEARLY YOU STUPID MORON WHEN WILL YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD THAT WE THE BRITISH PEOPLE WANT OUT OF THE EU. WE DEMAND A REFERENDUM NOW>
THIS IS WHERE YOU NEED TO MAKE CUTS MR..CAMERON. NOT YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
Disgusted. Cameron do something and get us out of the EU now.
what's the point in limiting the non EU migration as they can't do anything about the EU migration. It just a political game the goverment play saying they would restrict the non EU migrant but to be honest it wont make much of the difference on net migration. More people are coming in the UK (mainly from non EU) than going out.
the time to leave the EU is long past. great britain will disappear forever if we stay in. i am sick of being dictated to by a useless bunch of redundant EU beaurocrats, who have achieved absolutely nothing of any worth.
If we are to follow these stupid EU rules, then we must stop paying the membership fees as well. Tell Brussels that to use their rules we MUST stop paying them any money. After all who would still pay into a company that has not published accredited accounts for thirteen years or so.
They WONT get a penny if they come to Spain ,Spanish have to pay into the system before you get any back and i believe its some years before any payments ??.ONLY IN THE UK DO WE GIVE OUR MONEY AWAY.
The best way to protect the system from any abuse is not to let them in in the first place! Cam-moron-gives us our promised EU referendum NOW!
"In a move that could cost the British taxpayer tens of millions of pounds, migrants from the Soviet bloc will be allowed jobseeker's allowance, council tax benefit and housing benefit ". ----No wonder they are queuing up in Calais and other ports along the English Channel to get into the UK. And, that is just the illegals. We are the softest touch in the whole of the western world for immigrants and the funding of them be they legal or illegal. The immigrant now takes precedence above a UK born citizen it would seem. It appears the Coalition are as bad a Labour were in their Border Control efficiency. It is non existant.
Are you freaking kidding or what ??? . There are pensioners out there who went through the second world war to defend this country get half, if not less than that, some cant even afford heating or a real meal, if this stupid,out of focus, clueless EU wants us to pay these imigrants £250 a week, they better foot the bills, I really cant help thinking why the BNP and UKIP may be an option next time round. -- We need to get out of the EU, seriously, if we dont, the real british people may one day start a revolution, theres a limit to how far one can push, and that limit is getting mighty close from what I can see.
For God's sake, get us out of the EU now! We must refuse to comply. I fo one will be voting for either UKIP or BNP at the next electipons, as the only parties who will do something about this situation.
Make's you proud to be British? as a pensioner working here for 50yrs,i dont get that much i just wish like all our other immigrates i had another country to go to ,,, for free hand out's.
I have worked 43 years to get £100 a week state pension (taxed as I have an even smaller pension from my job). Funny old world. I suppose the tax I pay goes to these people.
How can Eastern Europeans who have paid NO NI contributions or tax get benefits in the UK, when I who have paid in for over 35 years am denied any JSA because I have not paid any NI in the last 2 years ( the previous 35 years deemed irrelivent by the benefits agency) ??.
It's disgusting---this is more than pensioners get (who have paid in all their lives) just one more reason to pull out of the EU. If we have got to pay them, it shouldn't be any more than they get in their own country.
What is the point of the EU exactly? Is it just a big social experiment sanctioned by a very powerful faceless group of people? One wonders.... because when decisions are made against the grain of common sense, there must be a hidden agenda that is appeasing a small minority but destroying the majority.
Another plus for Labour. Wait for the excuses. Or are we going to get another 'Sorry, we did not think' . All the time they are laughing behind their hands, they did the social engineering they wanted to do and have now left some one else to pick up the pieces. The great irony is, the new government will make themselves so unpopular trying to get us back on the right track, Labour may well get voted in the next time around. Remember last time, they took over a good economy, stuck with the policies for a while, then went all stupid and got us in our present mess.
GET US OUT OF THE E.U NOW,WE CAN NOT AFFORD THIS
Out! Now!
Why? Why? and Why? It's time to stop this sort of madness. What will we do when earned income in the UK is surpased by the amount of benefits handed out?
One day the people of this country will get a true democratic government that will allow us to decide the future of the UK. Yes, we have the vote but, once in power, our demands are ignored by the our MPs because so many of them have there fingers in the pies of companies who want cheap labour to keep themselves in splendour. They don't care one iota about us serfs who are struggling to cope.
No wonder this country is a mess. Will the last british born person to leave, please turn off the lights and leave a note for the milkman...
This is stupid, when we havent got enough money to run our own country and look after our own people. This must STOP now. We are full up and at bursting point.
GET OUT, WE MUST GET OUT OF THE EU NOW. We will become the next third world country if we do not. We cannot afford to be in the EU and to preserve our own traditions, cultures and economics WE HAVE TO GET OUT of the EU ..................................TODAY
We need to follow in the same vein as the uprising arab nations. And say NO, we want rid of this hideous dictator and want control of our own liveand borders. We constantly have the hideous dictator Brussels and his equally hideous 2nd in command, the human rights act, telling us what to do. It's time to revolt against them. Then maybe we can have a return to a multiracial society with a monoculture..British.
In the last war we fought for values like freedom of speach, democracy and an english mans home is his castle. WELL EUROPE IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE NONE OF THOSE!
So they will have to be living and to have worked here before they qualify for benefits based on thei tax & NI payments. What's the big deal?
NO NO NO! This must be stopped. If the EU wants such people to get benefits they should fund it themselves.
What a way to discourage people coming to Britain. What an absolute insult to every taxpayer in the country. Whilst every household in the country is being screwed by every government agency, from local government to state, yet there seems to be this bottomless pit of money for those who have not paid into the system and all under the banner of the European Union. What about families who are struggling, what about pensioners, what about the British soliders who risk life and limb with sub-standard equipment, what about the hospitals that are in desperate need of money and schools. It is an absolute outrage. This will only encourage more of them to take the hop, skip and jump over to Britain and the very generous benefits system. It is way overdue for Britain to pull out of the European Union and use that 1 million pounds per hour that gets sent across the Channel for British purposes.
so who is going to pay for their pension and their kids upbringing and schooling etc. soon there will not be any money in the pot because no one will be contributing due to the fact the country will be top heavy with people receiving handouts. then the ghettos start and then the basic infrastructure roads sewerage etc will fail.take a look at the countries where they live and that is what the uk will look like in the not to distant future.
We are witnessing the systematic rape and plundering of our country aided and abetted by our own unscrupulous politicians. By the time it dawns on Lib/Lab?con voters it will be too late.
Yet another reason to leave the EU.
More social engineering by Labour. Blair had the chance to put a cap on it but chose to let in unlimited people to claim benefits and put a strain on the NHS, housing and our schools. Labour have DESTROYED this country and the poorest will suffer the most. Blair and Brown should be ashamed.
No one who has not contributed should receive benefits.
can I please apply to become Eastern European at least that way I will be able to afford to live in this cess pit of a country, instead of working and loosing 20% of my wages to tax each week for this lot.,, another reason to vote B N P
Another benefit of being in the eu. We pay in millions that disappear into the corrupt eu coffers now we have to hand out money to people who come to take our jobs and houses. These same people over load our public services. The argument is going to be they work harder then the Brits. Some of them do some of them come here purely because they get good hand outs and can squat in peoples homes without fear of being throw out. Other come and commit crimes and overload the criminal justice system and jails. Lets get out of the eu sooner than later, however I feel that later has already come and we are going to be stuck in the quagmire of eu corruption for ever.
We need to help the citizens of our own country. Giving this much money to all the scroungers and layabouts of Europe will encourage mass migration into this country. Time our government stood up for its own citizens, and let other countries worry about theirs.
Times are getting very hard here in the UK. Do those nice people at the EU not realise that it is getting very difficult to make ends meet and that we cannot really afford to give money to these poor people from abroad. I think I might have to write a letter to that nice Mr. Cameron in case he doesn't know how bad things are. I mean, if nobody tells him, how will he know. I suppose his friend, that other nice man, Mr. Osborne, he might have mentioned something to him. I think I will write to him just in case. Bye, bye.
We need to get out of the EU. Why has no one done anything? it costs £60 BILLION a year just to be a member, they now control our laws and 'himan rights' and now will bankrupt us with this mess. Egypt didn't like their government, we don't like ours - how long before we repeat their actions. Someone needs to stand up and say enough is enough we can't afford this.
We need to take to the streets and demand democracy from the European dictatorship. It worked in Egypt.
Have British politicians become so gutless they won't stand up to the EU? Try claiming benefits in France, Germany or Holland without having a job or residency status. You can't. I know as I've worked there. No wonder 3.5 million immigrants have come to the UK. Free and easy welfare. The benefits bill will rise and public services squeezed again. Utter madness.
Just goes to prove we do not need MP's, we are completely run by Brussels.
Full benefits worth £250-a-week each for up to 100,000 Eastern European migrants Says it all really what have we become a country fit for what?
No British Government, has ever been given Consent, either to join the EU, or to import Millions of Foreign Nationals. If The British People do not protest, and make a stand very soon, they will be a Minority in their own land.
Yet another totally rubbish article from the DM trying to get immigrants, benefits, and the EU into one story. I'm susrpised there's no mention of gypsies in it. If you read the last few paragraphs you might find that immigrants can't just walk into this country and claim benefits, and never have been able to.
Change the rules so you cnnot claim benefit unless you have paid UK income tax for a year and that you have to have a british address to be mailed to and have to come and collect your benefit in person from say a post office UK only account so the money cannot go abroad.
Just say NO, we will not do it, what will they do expel us from the E.U........we are not that lucky! if they have no work in Britain why are they here!! send them home and make it compulsory, the French did it with the Roma gypsies and it did not do them any harm, few weeks of moaning and pretend outrage by other E.U members and now it's forgotten.
WHY DONT WE JUST SEND OUR WAGES TO THE EU?
Habitual Residence Test my ass, our friends in the EU will find a way round this that. How much longer will the British Public tolerate Brussels Farce.
will the EU help fund these.... you can bet they won't! In the mean time the indigenous Brit will be frozen out from claiming the slightest of benefits due to the cuts. Time to close the doors and leave Europe.
Immigration minister Damian Green pointed out that at the same time that the scheme ended in the UK, countries including Germany and Austria would open their labour markets to workers from their eastern neighbours. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How much longer must we wait until these fools get a grip on immigration? geographic location has nothing to do with it, it's all about benefits which our governments repeatedly bend over backwards to give to these people at our expense, that's why most Africans and Middle Eastern immigrants don't stop when they land in Greece or Italy , nor do they stop as they pass through Germany, Austria, France and the Netherlands, they come straight here!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are enough workshy British scroungers here as it is that we're forced to support, close the borders NOW!
Come on England when are we going to wise up. If it's not the Scottish or the Welsh taking the mickey it's the Europeans. Pay in and you can take out, if it's charity you need, use the channels set up for that, but the constant drip drip of cash leaving the economy is ridiculous.
Is this true, or just anothe DM fantasy story ?
If you are a Brit working in a foreign country you are entitled to benefits from those country's. Foreign workers who come here to work and pay UK taxes to support OUR unemployed should also be able to get benefits. Its fair, its no different to the way our countries treat foreign workers and basically if you pay in . . . why shouldn't you be able to take out if you need to. I sure as hell wouldn't pay taxes into a system if it wasn't going to support me if I needed it!
Yet we are having cuts imposed on us at all levels....the NHS needs more money,.our military has had vast swathes scythed through it, our care of the elderly is in crisis.... when will the idiots of all persuasions who govern us have the balls to say no more room in the UK and start to take care of our own back yard!
do you know what i would pull out of europe now they are just a pain in the a** we should have never joined in the first place edward heath as a lot to answer for, i will never be a european as long as i live i am a Brit though and through this is an island race and we will always be should never have buildt the tunnel eirther, and i think you will find a lot of people think the same.
This has got to be the end of liveable wages for the ordinary working Briton.
this is not bloody fair we dont even get that with a state pension yet we have worked all our lives get out the EU and how dare the EU legislate against the English it isnt on. why do we have to beg for pensions to go up yet u r letting immigrants take our tax payers monies surely there is a loop hole some where
'and it leaves Britain powerless to counter the move.' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Load of rubbish, all they have to do is refuse. I can't see them refusing though, they love their lords and masters too much. They don't give a damn about the British people, but any Foreigner who comes here they'll move the earth for. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET A GOVENMENT WHO CARES ABOUT THE BRITISH PEOPLE? OUT OF THE PATHETIC EU NOW!
Why?
I truly despair..
I rejust don't understand? I have had my life turned upside down, been kicked, disregarded, and thrown in the rubbish bin by employers because I am now 51 - facing discrimination by employers who consider you too old & too expensive. I have worked since 17 for over 33 years' solidly. Paid all my taxes & NI. And do you know what I can receive in Jobseeker Benefits. Not one penny!! I have been unemployed on and off for 3 years now, my family is suffering, my marriage is all but over, and despite my protestations to DWP, PM, Iain Duncan-Smith and Sir George Young, I have been told continually. "Rule are Rules" & "Sorry". This is about the final insult left. Let all and any immigrants in near vicinity in and pay them a ridiculous amount of money to do nothing... they will quickly wangle the system and amazingly the country will be in more debt. Surely to goodness, you look after your citizens above all others. Europe has gone crazy and good UK families suffer! Good grief!
Referendum on leaving EEC asap
This is stupid - in France you have to have lived and worked and paid in for 5 years to have the same rights as a French citizen (that is benefits). I think if the UK gives benefits to EU workers who are freshly arrived it will be the only country that does!
Yet another reason why we need to get out of the EU now, we have a choice with everything just no government with any backbone!
Hope these traffickers,don't park their Mercedes in the wrong place,they are bound to get caught.
These are people stupid Labour allow to flood into our country.
These are people stupid Labour allow to flood into our country.
Caroline, UK not EU - "Oh the joys of being part of the European Union, we get this filth imported onto the streets of Britain" A typical response from a euro sceptic - and, and as usual, completely wrong, they are not part of the EU. The problem here is, In or out of the EU we are an open door for all the waifes and strays of the world.
These people are scum and the police should put as much resource as possible into stamping this trafficking and slavery out.
....and there was Gormless Gordon and the rest of Liebour telling us that immigration was good, and that they paid taxes to help our economy. I trust they will be held to account over this case as well?
And the West deserves this. Blair starts an illegal war against Serbia because Milosevic came down hard on Albanian criminals in his country. Shame on NATO
Hang on...4000 women forced into prostitution and they have only rescued 25. Was this because the police did not wish to infringe on the human rights of the pimps. how many evil monsters like these live in this country? What does Gordon and his lackeys mean to do about it...So many unanswered questions under this weak ineffective goverment.
It should have been sixty three years each...in their own country of deprivation.
legalise Prostitution and keep those who want to work in the Industry healthy and safe
Why oh why do we have to imprison them and the great British taxpayer fund their keep? All criminals should be returned to their country of origin and sent to jail there. The law is an ass.
Harman cannot get involve in this sort of thing. She has a moral duty to screw up relationships in families here. That's her raison d'etre. If these scum were sent 'home' they would never see a prison cell. This crime is probably acceptable in Albania. Also, just a thought, didn't Brown/Blair apologise for our slavery past. Then the 'do nothing about crime' party mouth platitudes that their lemming followers lap-up as action. Sad, sad, sad.
Welcome to multicultural Britain, a place where you can experience diversity on every street corner. They sent the poor victim home, and us, the taxpayers will keep the criminals in prison for a short while and then let them loose to resume their activities. After of course giving them a state handout.
The article states that in 2003 4,000 women were trafficked into the UK for prostitution and In 2009 25 women were rescued by DS Martin's unit. Not exactly a great recommendation for his unit is it?
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course. - Craig David, Leeds, 7/12/2009 18:32 Yes, becuase the indingenous population of Great Britain are pious law abiding citizens who wouldn't dream of doing anything illegal.
'Why doesn't Cameron raise this sort of issue at PMQs?' - Tony Gee, London, 07/12/2009 18:42 Because it is to become legal under EU Law
It will only stop when the people actually paying for sex get thrown in jail too. Men need to realise that women and girls who are doing this, don't do it because they love sex with strangers (or at least very few do) but that it is either forced on them by traffickers or pimps, or else it is the only way they know to make money without stealing it. Why would any real man want to pay for sex under those reasons? After all, it isn't as if we live in a society where all decent women stay virginal in a relationship!
These Albanians have got to be illegal immigrants. So whats going on?
WE have more and more Albanians coming to this country---why --we should send them back as soon as they arrive, when i lived in Spain the police told me they have more trouble with these people than any other nationality, they are here living off of girls, they have never intended to work and yet we have Brown saying we need more foreigners here, when these evil pieces of filth have served their sentences they should be removed at once, but the trouble is we have the do-gooders who will fight their corner and say they have changed their ways.This is only the tip of the ice-berg their are many more of them out there, just look in your local paper and see the ads for the massage parlours. How many more foreigners do we have to keep in our prisons before this country wakes up and smells the coffee.
Only Gordon could close down the Police Unit for stopping this. Is it too much to think Harriet might consider this a real travesty against women and speak up in Parliament. On sending them back the trouble is they'll probably get back in again with our pathetic border controls. Let's just hope they are not accidentally! released early.
For all the people who are complaining about these guys not being returned to albania to serve their sentences there: if they are sent back to albania, we have no way of making sure they are kept in jail and not just freed after a couple of years. would you rather see these guys out on the street in albania, free to sneak back into the UK at some future point, or to start a trafficking network somewhere else? the flip side of being a nation that believes in human rights and dignity is that sometimes you have to pay to make things the way you believe they should be when others won't. if it saves young girls being kidnapped, abused, raped, beaten up and killed, then i'm willing to pay.
This was not made public to make people aware of the scale of the problem. It was made public because they thought "At last we have found one!" There is practically no human trafficking in the sex industry. Dont take my word for it, read some sensible reports. It is very likely that this girl came here with the express intention of working in a brothel. The men are involved because the girls need a bit of help with the rogue punters who think the sex act is the same as a punch in the face. The money is good and it beats picking cabbages. I know this info is not beloved by old Harman or the other baying harpies with a cause to promote, but most prostitutes choose to be prostitutes. It is a business a lot older than the human rights business and will still be a business when Harman and co are no more than a laughable memory.
The men using these girls as prostitutes are also a major part of the problem. If caught using trafficked women, they should be charged with rape.Surely if they go with these poor girls, they must have a nagging doubt as to whether she is there of her own free will. It would take a great deal of ignorance if you did not realize a drugged or frightened young East European, African or Asian girl could be a sex slave. If you use them, then you run risk of being a convicted rapist. Take away the customer and you take away the market. I am not beating the anti-prostitution drum, people become prostitutes for various reasons and the same goes for the people using them. As long as it is consenting adults, I do not have a problem with it. The government should legalize it and licence it. Then it could be controlled and become safer for the girls, by removing the criminal element. The taxman would also get his cut.
You need to kill off the flow of customers and one way to do this is to publish the photograph of anyone caught in one of these brothels in a national newspaper. That will soon slow down demand.
This is the same reason the Slobathan Milosevic attacked kosovans because of the crime racket they run in their country. Any way thanks to tony blair and bush we can taste some albanian crime spree as well Long live tony long live bush ha..... ha..... ha......
Legalise prostitution and have some guidelines in place. There will always be prostition but what kind of man would sleep with a slave??? For the love of God...
For God's sake can't we get rid of these bleeding heart liberals and get in politicians who are able to take tough action of criminals of all types here. Why on earth a country like Albania was let into the EU I'll never understand.
It is a sad fact but this sort of thing goes on all over the world. It is about time to raise the profile of this situation and eradicate it once and for all. This "human trafficing" is about destroying young womens lives and treating them like animals. It must be dealt with now; why can't Britain be the first to take a positive stance on eliminating the problem and show the rest of the world the way?
this is LieBours multicultural enrichment of Britain is it?
what religion is in Albania? yep you guessed it, the one that really values women.
This is Labour Britian a complete loss of morality. Worse a complete loss of contol.
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course. - Craig David, Leeds, 07/12/2009 18:32 And of course British people have never comitted a crime like this, ever. I'd like to think that the number of bigots on here who think crime is the sole preserve of foreigners and the lower class is a surprise, but really it isn't.
A nasty story, but it will continue to happen because the demand is there. Sex will never go away, so better to legalise it, regulate it and decriminalise it. This would be safer and healthier for all parties involved. But sadly the 'vocal moral minority who are completely without sin' will never allow this to happen and it is they, who in their blind opposition to legal prostitution condem these women to sexual slavery.
Exactly, Paul from Bude. Why does the UK have to fund their jail terms?
I just cant bear to read the UK news anymore, I dont recognise my old country. I dont know of any other country in the world that would let them get away with this. It doesnt have to be like this - the rest of Europe is grown up, adults control children, governments control who comes in and who doesnt blah blah blah no one is listening anyway...............last one out turn off the lights
This country has had it!! Our forefathers fought the war for nothing. It is SO sad. I don't think any government will be able to do anything now - not even Cameron. We are past the point of no return and whilst the bleeeding lefties have the clout they appear to have (for some unknown reason) we are finished. No wonder the BNP is gaining popularity. Even middle of the road people are leaning further and further to the right.
63 years seems a little harsh for being a pimp, how many murderers get off with 20 years or less? The punishment should fit the crime.
This example is merely the tip of an iceberg which NuLieBore have allowed to happen by giving foreign criminals free entry to the UK. WHERE ARE THE alleged 40,000 (more like 400,000) illegal immigrants in the UK that the discredited Home Office cannot locate?
ah yes, Albania, another Islamic paradise. Islam is the only religion that still allows slavery.
True justice would be for these men to become sex objects for other prisoners.
Have the men concerned had their bank accounts investigated and are they being charged income tax at 40% on the earnings. It's disgraceful that these foriengers come to the UK and trade women for sex without paying a single penny into our system. They are probably claiming benefits too for ficticious family's, and where is their work permit to be here, and what have they claimed their occupations are.
The wonders of the multi culture system, Labours open door policy. They of course will have their human rights.
Disgusting. The men that do this and the men that visit these brothels. What the hell is wrong with people?!
The punishment is not severe enough for ths type of crime. It ought to be a minimum of 20 years served.
Just wait till Turkey joins the EU and is more easily enabled to send its pimps and other social scum to likve off Britain.
By expanding the EEC , we have merely imported crime into the UK. Albania is not part of the EU, neither is Ukraine or Russia. And yet we have many thousands of these people in the UK, simply because they are Eastern European and they can get false Polish or Romanian passports. My wife worked in a maternity ward in England, and she often had patients from Ukraine and Russia. We have no checks when you can just hop on a bus in Poland and arrive in the UK a day or so later. It took me 3 years to apply and be approved to get into Canada, and we had to have police checks and medicals for myself, my wife and 2 children. These criminals should be deported back to Albania and never let back in again. Wishful thinking!!
Not many people seem to know that this sort of crime comes under the 'organised crime' sector. It is a type of 'cancer' in most countries of the world today - and a 'cancer' that comes under the incurable title. Corruption is a part of life - unfortunately. Too little is being done. And the severity of it's effect on our world is too often understated. The Scales of Justice at this moment in time is tipping more to the side of 'bad' - only those who control this world we live in can at this point make the 'adjustments' needed. Let's hope 'they' exercise their conscience!
You have a minister worried about little girls liking Pink while this is happening on your streets. Somone needs to make sure that minister loses her job for stupidity.
This vile crime never happened in the UK before the east european thugs gained free access. Its one of the most appalling things one could ever imagine. Innocent girls are duped or kidnapped then 'sold' to brothels run by rapist thugs. . Their motto " you can sell a stolen car once, but you can sell a woman over and over and over again". This branch of the police deserve full credit for their good work in fighting this and getting the monsters jailed. However, it won't be long before they start kidnapping local British girls and using them in the same way......heaven help the UK if this isn't stamped out. No woman can feel safe now.
When the government (any) let people into the Country from the EU & outside & they are Not working what do you expect. They will do whatever to make money.
So the guy was replenishing his 'stock'. I wonder how he disposes of his old 'stock'?? It will never cease to amaze me how a human can presume ownership over another. I wish as much attention was paid to this slavery as what is paid to the African-American issue. Then we would get somewhere. It's all about money though. It doesn't pay to rescue these women. Who are we fooling? Human life has no value.
Was this the only lady that was freed during this operation? Now that these vile men have been captured what has happened to the brothels that they surely run? There must be other girls who are forced to work for them, did they manage to free them? There is an amazing drama called Human Trafficking, staring Robert Carlyle which gives a glimpse into this evil industry. Sadly this happens everywhere and for Brown to deny its existence in the UK is sheer ignorance from somebody who is supposed to be running the country...... It breaks my heart. These girls are mothers, daughters, sisters.
Nu Labour's policies at work again... virtually open immigration will make Britain so diverse... roll on the election.
What's the difference between this and selling footballers for obscene amounts of money?
It is all very blatant and the police must be able to track and have records of all these brothels so presumably they are legal? Why?
Thanks New Labour for turning our country into Europe's cesspit in just a few short years.Fear of being branded racist or a nazi fascist by the pc mullahs means no one dare speak against the vast criminal element invading our country and exploiting this weakness in British society. Time to wake up and look around you.
So what if they didn't pay tax on her, everyone is on the fiddle a little bit, they are Albanian (donÂ’t be racist) you should respect other peoples cultures, itÂ’s all part of the "diversity" that is making Britain truly amazing, we should all be thanking the labour and the other political parties for this groovy multi-culture we now have.
This is so despicable! It just makes me gag. Well done to the police for getting these! And who would think while we wonder in and out of Selfridges on Oxford Street, there are women passing us by having to face such appalling situations. This is happening everywhere and British people are involved too, so don't pass the buck!
Yep, the benefits of mass immigration in action. Lovely.
DON'T deport them. All that will happen is that they get a slap on the wrist in Albania and they will be back on the next plane...and our immigration officers will welcome them with open arms. Instead, give them an automatic ten year sentence for each charge of human trafficking and then put them in a prison labor camp at hard labor for the rest of their lives! Oh, and while we are at it, put them in special prison uniforms...pink...to show that they had no regard for women and treated them like slaves. I am sure their fellow convicts would like to have them pointed out so they can treat them "appropriately".
You'all don't have to worry too much: Bubba will be his roommate and he will find out what being a girlfriend is all about.
Any comments Mr. Home Secretary, "making a valuable contribution to the economy" perhaps?
Why aren't the mens faces clearly plastered all over the media? How do these girls get into these situations in the first place?
Pigs!
There needs to be a crime similar to statutory rape that puts the onus on a man to ensure that the woman he has sex with is acting freely. Otherwise there is no incentive for a man who uses prostitutes to think/care about how she got there. I'd prefer that no woman felt she needed to sell her body for cash, but prostitution by someone who is free to change her mind and walk away is a different matter from someone brutalised and terrorised and kept prisoner. If a woman is found to have been forced into prostitution, a man who has sex with her should be charged as an accomplice in her kidnapping/enslavement and with statutory rape as he has had sex with someone who didn't consent freely. The government also needs to make resources available to investigate and build intelligence and watertight cases against the scum who buy and sell women (and children) like animals. It's a lucrative business. Convicted traffickers and sieze their assets as the proceeds of crime.
Is this what Labour meant when they said they were' rubbing our (English) noses in diversity'? Why are people from Albania just allowed to walk in and ply their evil trade and where is Harriet Harman defending these poor girls and women? She would be better employed trying to sort out this problem, than doing our menfolk down at every turn.
All brothels should be nationalised. No one has ever managed to stop prostitution so why should the profits not go to the exchequer and cut down our taxes? Properly managed there would be no pimps, no slavery. All the women would be free to choose not only the career but also the customer. Regular health checks would help to get the level of STDs down. Albanian criminals need not apply so should be returned from whence they came. Prostitutes could then be the only civil servants making a profit.
These men should be forced to sell THEIR bodies 25 times a day for ten years.
Britain is going down the toilet fast, I do not blame the British people that cannot wait to leave.
How lucky we are to have our culture enriched through diversity...
Slavery should carry a 100 sentence with a minimum of 70 years to be served all of it hard labour. No work no food.
So three "foreigners" are sent to prison to the cries of "close the borders", "leave the european union", "bring back hanging" and "we used to rule the world don't you know". Now, how about the 8400 ENGLISH men who were going to RAPE this girl every year? Shhhhhh nobody mention that.
I might have missed something here, but the woman in this pic looks like she's just someone walking along Oxford street. If she was being 'sold' wouldn't the sellers have her hidden or at least be holding onto her. The police report says one of the men was 'standing guard over her' but this woman doesn't even look connected to the men.
Albania might not be part of the EU but thanks to the schengen agreement it is easy for Albanians to pass through EU countries and end up in the UK. How else can so many Albanians and Kosovons end up in the UK? And believe me, there are a lot living here!
The anwer is easy, legalise prostitution, set up properly run and supervised places and the problems identified here will go away. Stop being such a high and mighty state, admit that prostitution always has and always will go on and deal with it in a modern way
Just let you know Harman, I am a white, heterosexual male chauvenist pig, in your eyes, but I would have these men castrated before imprisoning them for life. You and your kind would join them for comparing normally decent men with scum like this to create division in society, to further your own misguided and completely selfish ambitions.
My understanding is Albanians require a visa to enter the UK. So the reality is more likely that these "Albanians" are actually Kosovan "refugees" that the Labour government has granted asylum too. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Odd ! In October I read lengthy articles in another paper by Nick Davies saying the whole subject was massively over-blown and researchers had failed to find any evidence of sex trafficking.
I don't understand why you always talk about deporting your criminals. They are criminals in Britain under British law. They may or may not be criminals in Albania. Britain should exact British justice. It's rediculous to expect Albania to do that for you.
What a pity we are now so exposed to thugs from Eastern Europe. I preferred it when they were confined to the close control of the old USSR. It must however be said that the sad inadequates who seek satisfaction through prostitutes are the ones to blame. Without a market for these poor women there would be no sex slavery in the UK. It seems like we live in ultra evil times. I cannot see our society lasting another century if it continues like it is. The Devil seems to have won control of our once mainly law abiding land. Morality and modesty have disappeared alongside respect for women, children and the elderly.
Eastern European gangsters walk into our country at ease and expand their criminal activities, yet the barriers are closed to many of our Commonwealth allies whose fathers fought and died in British uniforms. Surely the time is long overdue for the reversal of this situation. - scotty, cambridge, 7/12/2009 18:07 Yes ... Gangsters, terrorists, islamic fanatics ...WELCOME ! Decent people, Commonwealth people, especially Christians ---- NO ADMITTANCE ! Labour are traitors, the police who refuse to arrest them after they have been reported are also traitors, and where is Her Majesty the Queen in all of this?
NULIEBOUR and there policy of flooding the country with anybody, and taking down our borders, are to blame for this,what do you expect? law abiding church goers,they have turned our Country into the dustbin of the world.
So they found one at last! Forgive my cynical view here but haven't we just spent millions to uncover the 'sex-slave-trade' in Britain only to find that the real figure is considerably short of the thousands estimated. They found prostitutes a plenty but 'sex-slaves'? Virtually no evidence of coercion. Check it out.
Let's hope that the buyer isn't a member of the government, because that would mean that the taxpayers bought her.
This is part of the culture of eastern Europeans. It is rather racist of the English to try to prevent them from conducting their lives according to their cultural mores. We should be more accommodating and allow them to conduct their lives in the European way. England is a part of Europe, now. We must adapt.
Albania is the member of NATO since April the 1st (I wish it was a joke!) Recently EU commision accepted without discussion Albania as a candidate to EU membership. Again GB is paying the price for American interests abroad...
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course. Craig David, Leeds, 7/12/2009 18:32 As pained I am to say this, but over 80% of articles I read on here, are about British youth/people killing innocent members of the public for no apparent reason, disrespectfully urinating all over war memorials, husbands killing their wives (vice versa), yobs terrorising residents, teachers having inappropriate relationship with their students. And you're telling me that immigrants don't know right from wrong, I think you need to look slightly closer to home. This country itself has long time ago lost it;s morals and the notion of right from wrong.
"Lets let even more enterprising East European business men into our Country!! - Arthur Gruntfuttock, Moscow, 7/12/2009 18:17" I assume that was sarcasm! Shame others didn't think so, given the host of red arrows....
This story shows why the sex industry should be decriminalised and regulated rather than driven underground. Making commodities such as sex and drugs illegal just fuels organised crime and puts innocent people, such as this poor lady in harms way. If it were regulated, girls would not be taken advantage of and they would be paying taxes.
Shiver, my family have been down that street many a time. Is no where infallible?
I've had a lot of dealings with Albanians. They are unscrupulous and not to be trusted. They come from a lawless country and they have a very bad attitude to women. Our local town centre is full of them hanging around in pubs trying to pick up English girls so that they can get quickie marriages which results in a British passport. The Greeks (their neighbours) despair of them as they have been reeking havoc over there for years.
Welcome to the EU!!
We let in pimps from Eastern Europe, drug dealers from Asia, Murderers and rapists from Africa, Muslim extremists, and pedophiles from Australia. But for some reason our government had a problem with the Gherkas from Nepal. I hear many of us saying that the British people won't do the jobs that immigrants will do. That the British people are lazy and scrounge off our taxes. But i'd prefer to know that my taxes were going on a lazy man than a pimp or a drug dealer.
Why are so many undesirable Albanians being allowed to live in our country when Albania is not in the EU.Close our borders to these evil people and sort this mess of a country once known as Great Britain out.
Labours "open door" policy over the last 12 years = a country now just a distant memory.. Thanks to "Cool Britannia" Tony and Broon and all the idiots who bought their vision..
Lets let even more enterprising East European business men into our Country!! - Arthur Gruntfuttock, Moscow, 7/12/2009 18:17 Red arrowed. I think (HOPE!!) this was meant - quite rightly as sarcasm aimed at our 'glorious' politicians? Different standards - women are obviously seen as 'items' to make a profit from with the likes of these low-lifes. No good turning to Brown, (Harman to sort immigration) etc - they think the same way. If they thought there was money in it for them (or votes ) they'd jump on it with both feet - certainly not because it'd simply be the right thing to do. What a thought... the people running OUR country have near enough the same mentality as the scum who do this kind of thing.
This is nothing compared to Haliburton and Dyncorp trafficking humans, getting caught and then being given more contracts to operate in the areas where trafficking starts - war zones etc. Solution = Exposing govt. as acting as a front for criminal corporations and taking our country back
Only today in England???
Some foreigners seem to be trying their hardest to turn us into a third world country. Will MPs discuss this? Of course they won't it's not PC to discuss foreigners committing crimes here.
It costs approximately between £25,000 and £35,000 PER YEAR to keep a criminal in jail. That is several million on this handful of scumbags alone. Lovely to know where your tax money goes. Check out Clause 25 after Section 53 of the Sex Offences Act 2003. It would have brought in tough laws against the people who use these poor girls as a piece of meat. Labour voted it down.
Nothing new here, in the 40's it was the Maltees that ran this seedy trade in London. There's so much business for these people to make money it clearly becomes worth their while. Personally I've nothing against the girls making a living this way for themselves if they choose. But allowing this rubbish to control you, I don't understand.
Enrichment diversity open borders this is only the tip of the eastern european crime iceberg. Our country is crawling with gangsters. Wonderful eh?
It always seems to be Albanians involved in this vile trade. So, why not check up on all Albanians entering the country ? Ah, of course, that would be racist wouldn't it ?
However did they get in via our tight border controls? Oh for the love of all that's holy! Makes you weep to be British
is this one of things Britain benifits by, all the immigrants labour have let in, to do our country the world of good, I bet these low life Pimps are drawing benifits as well
Take the MP's from boroughs that have encouraged intransigents to live in multi-occupancy homes once occupied by families and charge them with misfeasance in public office. Then watch things change!
These rats, buyer and sellers, need horsewhipping and throwing in jail for a week without food or water then send them back to their own country. I have had experience of the Eastern European life and their rules are different from ours. It's about time they were taught what ours are but our useless Govt. havent the guts to exercise it. I pity the poor girl.
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course. - Craig David, Leeds, 7/12/2009 18:32 Craig, these men are under no illusion that what they are doing is not wrong - don't be so silly. Do you think people-trafficking is legal in Albania for heaven's sake? Unfortunately there are horrible people all over the planet.
We have a woman being sold into sexual slavery and all some people can say is that Albania is not in the EU. That says it all.It doesn't ,matter a fig where Albania is. The fact is that men, women and children are being sold into sexual slavery.
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course. - Craig David, Leeds, 07/12/2009 18:32 Yeah mate. Cos Britain has never had pimps and brothels has it?
I hate to say this, BUT some of our Kings in the 16th and 17th century would have young girls procured for them. They would be purchased and often the man who transacted the deals ended up with a title for services to the Monarch. One reason why I've never shown respect to any aristocrats.
I can't quite get my head round how you come to be "owned" by someone? Why do these men claim ownership of these women. It's sick. I think anyone found guilty of this crime should get their just desserts in prison. I'd like to see them assaulted by others 25 times a day to see what it feels like!
A picture that no doubt could be seen on many a high street in any of our cities. Until this government and the next one shut our borders and insist on a visa for entry, issued in the country of origin by the British Embassy, this kind of illegal activity will continue, along with credit card and financial fraud. Checks at our borders are non existent, this country does NOT know who they let in, who is a criminal etc. The UK is not the country I used to like as a child, as a young adult and any pride for this country has almost gone. I am not proud to be British anymore. All I can say is that an missed opportunity 15yrs ago could have changed all that, but he ho!, life goes on.
Those on picture aren't East European, as you should know from geography lesson (but you don't know as you aren't well-read, DM readers), Albania is in Southern Europe, check it on the map. They have nothing common with new members of EU ( I know , smalltownish nationalists, that between sentences, you want put them together with Polish into one bag), because Albania isn't in EU. And as opposed to your prejudices, lack of knowlegde, delusions , I HAVE PERSONALLY A REASON to be against them, because last year I was hit with van by illegal immigrant from Albania. And I ask british police, border agency and you all Brits, why those people are in Britain, although they have no right to be here, are content, and I'm treated like a dirty scum by British , although I work here legally (mental job,not cleaning, disappointed), pay taxes etc. I ask you Brits, why you are so thoughless to alienate to yourself people,who are YET still friendly and helpful to you(I mean Polish)
Just goes to show what a sewer this country has become. Who is responsible. NEW LABOUR.
Bob Baillie, Hedge End, Hampshire, 7/12/2009 12:05 "What unspeakable scum these men are. Why are they in our country?" Bob: It is because so many British men have no qualms about paying to use these poor women. That is the reason... The users are the true criminals. Why are they not being arrested???
Here we go again why not just deport them back to Albanian and let them root in jail in their own country. - Alain, England, 7/12/2009 18:43 Alain, believe me they wouldn't stay in jail long in Albania, that country is so corrupt they'd be back here on the next plane! Unfortunately if we want them off our streets that means locking them up here.
So I suppose the excuse that will be given by the Socialist government of the day is: " Well at least they are earning a living and the UK welcomes all those independant business men from the Eastern parts of Europe." So why doesn't that woman Harriet Harman, jump on this disgusting trade and drive these criminal out of this country. All this shouting by Socialist MP's, about womens rights are rather silent on this issue. they should get of their backsides and get to grips with this horrific trade.
Who the hell is giving these people the right to be in our country? These people should be deported back to their own countries and left to rot in what will hopefully be rat infested prisons! They should be got rid of immediately. There should be no place for these people in a civilised society.
WHY do we even tolerate this?
See them all on Question TIme telling us the benifits of immigration - what a mess this countries in!
One sure thing is that us english will pay for the holiday. they will enjoy before they are released start up all over again earning mega bucks at the expence of a young girl addict.
Most of the women in these brothels wont have a choice. Passports taken on arrival, brought to the country using false pretences, beaten, raped. Men can be digusting sometimes, because you men who USE these girls do have a choice. Keep your trousers zipped up & then the trade would fade away. Meanwhile, for anyone caught traficking, let their punishment be the same. Let the prisoners in jail loose on them. They'll soon find out what a god awful life they have forced these sex slaves to lead.
We have opened our doors to human filth such as these traffickers. These were caught- thousands haven't and never will be. Law and order has gone to the dogs.
gordon brown it dont give a toss who coming here or who is going out no wonder is star sign is a pisces , it dont know where to turn , fishes they swim in all direction that what is good for swimming [ how wonder if it know how to swim?
Lots of red arrows for my comment on this story; I was joking you morons!! If you just don't get irony go and read the Sun!!
Our lax and impotent border and immigration controls have allowed the criminals of the world to settle in the UK. How many times do we read of crimes, once unknown here, carried out by those who are not natives of this land. Who will crack down and stem the flow, and give us back our country?
With free movement of people within the EU, unfortunately little if any background checks are done, before allowing people to settle here. So in come the murders, rapists, gansters and pimps. The least the government could do was to make sure special police units where set up to deal with this. You can bet they (the gov.) knew these types would be attracted here.
What incredibly light sentences! Only 63 years between the four (or more?) of them ! With time off for 'good' behaviour some of these these revolting pigs will clearly be walking the streets of London again in less than nine years. When oh when will we understand that living in prison holds no fear for hardened criminals of this kind? In the absence of the death penalty, can't we at least ensure that such creatures stay in prison until there is no chance of their being able to do further harm? 65 years to life each would be a more reasonable sentence surely.
If there were not so much demand then there would be no supply. What kind of a man would pay money to rape an obviously unwilling girl? What are we in the Dark Ages???!
The big deal about this is they do in daylight because they think people doesn't care about eastern european women as much as people care english women. It's a good sign the police tackling them, now people can help in generating awareness of the problem and tip off the authority when needed.
Round up the men involved , give them solitary confinement and throw away the keys , end of problem
Caroline, Albania isn't in the EU !
Here we go again why not just deport them back to Albanian and let them root in jail in their own country.
Why doesn't Cameron raise this sort of issue at PMQs?
Caroline, UK not EU - honeypie, when did Albania join the EU?
This is one of the side effects of mass immigration in a very short period..you get people here who have very different morals.. very different ideas on what is right and wrong. And who see the UK as a soft touch, which it is of course.
I suggest Harman gets on her high horse over this sort of disgusting trade by getting illegal immigration sorted rather than ranting in her usual fashion at men in general. That is the real problem Harriet or are you too blind to see it !
The best argument for legalising and licensing the industry for a while. Put the scum-bags out of business.
jailed at an expense of the British tax payer. They should be deported and jailed in their own country.
That is a demand and supply. If there was no demand for these women in the UK there would not be a supply. Do you know how many Eastern European women get trafficked into Greece, Turkey, Israel? The demand for these women is high. I am disgusted of these slimy men who then tell others that there are lots of Eastern European women working as prostitutes in their countries. Yet, they forget why they are there; because of their dirty desires.
Oh the joys of being part of the European Union, we get this filth imported onto the streets of Britain.
The sentences seem reasonable if they actually serve them
Lets let even more enterprising East European business men into our Country!!
This is the reality of Brown and Bliar's Multicultural dream. Not much equality there is there Harriet?
Bring back hanging for this offence.It might then stop.
Labour tough on crime and thing's can only get better what a cess pit they have turned this country into.
Sex Trafficking DOES NOT EXISTS according to Gordon Brown who closed down the UK's only specialist police unit that investigates children and young women forced into becoming sex slaves. The Daily Mail also ran a story last month with information from Government “Experts” who said it does not happen but this story is proof that it does happen. There are more officers investigating what people put in their bins than slavery today. Sadly it is over money, there is no money for Gordon Brown in stopping slavery but there is in making new ways to fine people. Now the Mail proves that it does exist and it will get a lot worst by the Olympics, the government stopped counting in 2003 when it was 4,000 women why? Then they hid the figures and lied about the existence of sex trafficking. Shame on you Gordon Brown.
Eastern European gangsters walk into our country at ease and expand their criminal activities, yet the barriers are closed to many of our Commonwealth allies whose fathers fought and died in British uniforms. Surely the time is long overdue for the reversal of this situation.
What unspeakable scum these men are. Why are they in our country?
how disgusting- i hope this poor woman is ok now ! and what a VILE 'boyfriend' !
Why where these pimps ever let into this country in the first place ? Harriet Harman - a comment from you please regarding immigration checks. Thanks.
Thanks to New Labour's open door policy and in the name of diversity they are now encouraging this appalling practice. New Labour you have caused so much misery than you could imagine.
More than 300 foreign criminal gangs operating in London speaking over 23 different languages. So this is how Gordon Brown is using immigration to boost our economy, what happened to British jobs for British works/
How much further is it possible for this country to be reduced? "Selling" human-beings in broad-daylight on one of the most famous streets in our nation's capital. England's shame! p.s. why only 63 years in total? Should have been 63 years apiece!
HOW VILE! HOPE THIS WILL MAKE MEN WHO USE WOMEN IN BROTHELS THINK ABOUT WHO IT IS THEY ARE USING THEY ARE AS GUILTY AS THE DEALERS THEY MUST BE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON!
Would have predicted this story!
What a sorry state this once pleasant land has become
lovely jublee what's the surprise nu labour and bliar and brown in particular have opened the door for all manner wonderful people to roam our streets with impunity - as the police are far too busy collecting tax for this lousy government - perhaps these people will now be rounded up and forgetting their human rights got rid of immediately.
Similiar thing just happened here. This crime is so vile, so anathema to human rights, that the people convicted of slavery and human trafficking should be tried as traitors. This crime undermines the very heart of a modern society, and because of that it deserves this categorization. However, as you pull these people off the streets the price goes up, and so more people are willing to risk it. However, if you really want to put a crimp in this crime you need to address the DEMAND side of the equation. These people SUPPLY a "product." The demand comes from the guy walking in off the street to use the "product." I'm sure some will say that these poor men don't know. It isn't that they don't know, they don't CARE. It might even be that they are excited by the idea of that. These men should have their faces plastered in the media. They should be charged as heavily as the trafficker and slaver. A bit of that action would drive demand down faster than a superhero
Why do we allow it, it's bad enough if they were British but they are foreign criminals instead. Come on Harriet Harperson, do something useful for women for a change.
Welcome to New Labours Britain
thank you labour and the EU.
Simply depoert them all back where they came from. No more problems.
Why were all three Albanian men not returned to there own country rather than tax payers money used to jail them for a total of 63 years???????????????????????????????
Welcome to labours multi cultural Great Britain. As McBrown keeps telling us they are good for the economy.
Thank to New Labour, immigration is good for the UK? Say who?
That's a bad monobrow, that.
'm dumbfounded by the amount of ignorance displayed by some people. This man represents 0.01% of Lithuanian people who come to this country, but that still gives you enough ammunition to make a knee-jerk reaction and say "Go back to where you came from". Really? The vast majority of Lithuanian people who come to England come here to better themselves and in turn that benefits us. Admittedly there will always be some who come here to sponge off the state, but many come here and take up highly-skilled, qualified professional jobs. They aren't 'stealing your job' . As an Englishman with a Lithuanian fiance, I can categorically say that there are very few opportunites for good jobs in Lithuania itself. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute - what would you do if you were hard-working, ambitious and wanted to better yourself?==============Well for a start, I wouldn't go to another country and rape someone at knifepoint.
I'm a women from Lithuania and really ashamed of this evil man's actions... 10 years ago me and 3 other women were savagely atacked by an English guy on the same night. It just unfortunately shows that no nation is immune to evil occurrences!!! Look in your own garden before you start judging other nations!!! Love and peace !!!
It is rapidly reaching the point where the people need to make a stand....if our elected government won't protect this country then we will...
WELL DONE UKBA is this another one of your sucesses.
Vote UKIP to get of this.
The "Beating heart" of britian wants to stay in the EU according to Cameron... I wonder what these two women who were just raped would have to say to him about that tbh.
A big thank you to all of the traitors in the plitical class.
Sue the Government they let this vile person in the country with their treaties - they ok being driven around and security for them and their families - all at the tax payers expense! Discusting the whole thing is discusting
UKIP
David Cameron thinks we would be 'mad' to leave the EU.
I wish I could afford to emigrate from this godforsaken country!
Dont even want to bother with him or how he got here. Only thing i would like to mention is young lady who despite it all isnt letting this disgrace of a man ruin her life. Amazed by your courage...
Please close the door to immigration.
When is this all going to stop - do our customs not check up on these filth? When you watch the documenteries on customs in New Zealand etc they check everything then put them straight back on a plane if they are not happy. What do we do?
He will not do 9 years and he will not be deported.
vote ukip its our only hope
Its a safe bet that Cameron and Clegg do NOT include the added cost of EU criminals when they say the EU membership is essential for Britain.
Deport on release. No two ways about it.
The political and financial elite of this country have the most to gain from us being part of the EU. It's the working (mainly) and middle classes that have to deal with trash like this. Remember when they say that being part of Europe is good, they mean good for them.
If Cameron and clegg spent less time cosying up to the EU leaders and more time listening to British opinion the country would not be in the state it is....my vote is for Farage
One of the occasions where he should be forced to serve his sentence in his own nations prisons..... i feel sure pool tables and TVs , plus three good meals daily and free central heating will be a priority in his own country!!
I'm dumbfounded by the amount of ignorance displayed by some people. This man represents 0.01% of Lithuanian people who come to this country, but that still gives you enough ammunition to make a knee-jerk reaction and say "Go back to where you came from". Really? The vast majority of Lithuanian people who come to England come here to better themselves and in turn that benefits us. Admittedly there will always be some who come here to sponge off the state, but many come here and take up highly-skilled, qualified professional jobs. They aren't 'stealing your job' . As an Englishman with a Lithuanian fiance, I can categorically say that there are very few opportunites for good jobs in Lithuania itself. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute - what would you do if you were hard-working, ambitious and wanted to better yourself?
If you want to stop reading headlines like this vote UKIP, over to you Brain dead voting sheep.
Why are so many comments ignorant and detrimental to Eastern Europeans? Its not fair to tar all people with the same brush. This guy represents 0.01% of Lithuanians living in Great Britain but despite that statistic it still causes knee-jerk reaction for a lot of people. As an English person with a Lithuanian fiance I can completely sympathise with why Eastern European people come to our Country - its to better themselves. Admittedly there will be a smal fraction of people who come here to sponge off the State, but please take into consideration the vast majority who come here to work, especially those in high-ranking professional positions that English people couldn't fill themselves.
what is the point - we all know what needs to be done yet the people who can do nothing. time to leave the EU we get nothing from it except problems........ the time is now
So does that mean we have to let all criminals in to UK? You don't hear of France, Germany, having these problems - well I suppose that's about right, they just disregard all EU rulings anyway, and we welcome everyone in with open arms - as we are told, "its good for our economy!" Ha
They should taken him to the Tower Of London and left him there to rot. my thoughts are with the victim.
Why have we got to foot the bill for keeping this "man" in prison? Send him back on the next plane....then slam the doors shut on our borders!!!
And Mr. Cameroon still wants us to be part of EU..!!!!!
we all commenting, but doing nothing.. typing on a keyboard is easy, standing up and doing something is not in British nature, come on people!
come one, come all, everyone welcome, we promise no checks will be made on arrival.
Wow one guy came here and raped... okay he goes to jail, problem solved... but how about british natives?? you keep silent about yourselves... all I see is kids growing in gangs.. 8 year olds abusing teenagers... you think this is normal??? or an english man comes to Cardiff and gets beaten up for being english..... IT DOESN'T matter what nationality your are.... its the personality! I heard one british guy went to the same Lithuania and got himself in silly trouble... so what? now the whole country has to think that Britain is full of the same stupid people?? the answer is NO.... but to be honest these all comments of yours just show that you are all racists...The world is full of bad and good people and it doesn't matter what national you are... if the person is nice it shouldn't matter what colour or nationality he is, PEACE !
Wow one guy came here and raped... okay he goes to jail, problem solved... but how about british natives?? you keep silent about yourselves... all I see is kids growing in gangs.. 8 year olds abusing teenagers... you think this is normal??? or an english man comes to Cardiff and gets beaten up for being english..... IT DOESN'T matter what nationality your are.... its the personality! I heard one british guy went to the same Lithuania and got himself in silly trouble... so what? now the whole country has to think that Britain is full of the same stupid people?? the answer is NO.... but to be honest these all comments of yours just show that you are all racists...The world is full of bad and good people and it doesn't matter what national you are... if the person is nice it shouldn't matter what colour or nationality he is, PEACE !
We put our own nationals through intensive checks including C.R.B so why do foreigners just get the open door no questions asked ? On a side note the advert for the video is longer than the clip, and why do companies advertise a clip about knife crime and rape, I wont be buying that toothpaste.
VOTE UKIP!
SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Wanted in Lithuania and we let him in?
I thought criminal background checks were standard procedure before anybody comes into another country??? Good God, UK border officials, what the bleeding heck is wrong with you?
Perhaps some liberal politician can explain why why having something like this crawling round our streets is 'good for the economy'?
HOW ARE THESE LOW GUTT ER SCRAPEING SCUMBAGS GETTING IN ?
All the more reason why we need proper Boarder Controls. Not this FAUX system run by these corrupt officials.
"Butkus must serve a minimum nine years in jail before being considered for parole and faces deportation upon his release" - and faces deportation, what a laugh. This guy should be permanently banned from the UK, stuff his Human Rights.
Only one answer to this nonsense - VOTE UKIP.
Another success for our useless Border Agency.
We need someone that has had a working lifestyle to run this country and sort it out. None of these private school boys who live in another world, we need someone that knows what the people want and isnt afraid to get things done.
he will purchase a cat then judges will allow him to stay in the country
What are we doing allowing trash like this specimen into the UK? We are told be the likes of Clegg that one of the advantages of EU membership is the European Arrest Warrant - what happened here when a wanted individual just strolls into the UK?
Yeah, like there are no British rapists and murderers? Your reasoning is pathetic.
he is allowed to come here to support his family back home, despite many of us here having no work. Is he now in a british prison ? If so where is the money coming from to keep him, we are expected to cut back and go without, and yet this man, who should never have been allowed here in the first place having a criminal record , is being kept by us? can someone in government explain why ?
he probably has a cat here and cannot be deported.
THIS GOVERNMENT NEED'S KICKING TO THE KERB !!! TO MANY SCUMBAG'S ARE LET IN THIS COUNTRY , SHOP'S ARE CLOSING , ITS GOING DOWN HILL !!!!! WE NEED SOMEONE IN GOVERNMENT WHO CARE'S ABOUT ME !!! YOU !!! PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY ,
All those who blame Tony Blair should look at Lib.Dem. and Conservative policy over the last 40 years. They've all done it and UKIP are a pretend party and if ever they get in power they would have no guts to do anything. They're just Conservatives in disguise.
Does the HEART of the country still want to stay in the EU?
shut the borders now.
So a life sentence is 9 years?
Thank you Tony Blair
More Eastern European filth on our streets. Just wait til next year when the floodgates open.............
Its a pity that he didnt rape the politicians familys, perhaps they might take better care of the borders then, they are the ones that bought these evil people to our shores, send the eu criminals back now..
Good old EU. Get rid of your rubbish in Britain, France will not have them nor will Germany Cameron will make you welcome.
And what will happen when all the Rumanian and Bulgarians gain access to Uk under 'freedom to roam '- we will have most of their criminals as well - How does that benefit our nation SHUT OUR DOORS NOW
Get rid of this scumbag NOW!! make him serve his sentence in own prisons where they are not so soft as ours.
And what exactly types of benefits do we get from the EU?
and loads more eastern europeans due here soon stop it now we have no room no money no police no borders no hope vote ukip
Re comment from 'execblond', Perth, Australia. Excellent idea but, sadly with the inane Human Rights Act we have in this country, we cannot do this as it would breach their 'uman Rights!!! Sadly, this Act takes precedence over everything, even common sense!
We are FOOLS! The British people treated like DIrt! WHY do we stand for this!! We here cases like his every week, yet NOTHING is done, but our "Leaders" ha tell us we should NOT dump the EU! OUR people are SICK of the EU, get us out and LET'S get Britain back to sanity and so WE DEPORT who we want!! Shut the door NOW! Before thing get dreadfully worse!! UKIP for me
How about some of our top lawyers (who make plenty out of this nonsense) put together a class action on behalf of all those whose lives have been spoilt by criminally incompetant beaurocratic couldn't care lesses. Do it on a no-win-no-fee basis.
VOTE UKIP
I'm just so frigging tired of reading about these scum on a daily basis. We need to protect our women. Get these vile pukes out of my country NOW!!!!!!
daily we are given the glad news that yet another rape murder fraud has been commited by someone from the EU and their open door policy , we have the right to demand that the boarders to this ISLAND be patrolled properly and vigerously and that ANYONE can be denied entry to this nation ...as many have pointed out , let in with a cheery wave , down to the dole office , nice little flat ...then out to rape , we cant continue to allow or own people to be treated like this !!!
Thank you Mr Blair, Brown and Cameron! You and your wonderful multicultural ideals have and still are putting the lives of people at risk every day in this Country and you don't give a damn!!!
Mark my words, It can only get worse from January next year. Tens of thousands of poor Romanians and Bulgarians've already applied for passports in order to come to UK. Lots of criminals will arrive here under false name, with 2-3 passports each.
Knee jerk reaction time....lets ban knives....oh yes it worked a treat.
And no doubt he was claiming our benefits so effectively being paid to stay here... Disgusting. - Jac w , Weymouth, 15/1/2013 06:40 sorry but there is more brits that claim benefits so shut up... also even when you will have Border Protection everyone still be allowed in!! as no one will check crime records to decide if you can enter the country!! think peaople!!
Takers Takers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid
This is becoming very frighteneing for the good people of Britain. With the floodgates open from December, Christmas 2013 will not have much to cheer about. The East Europeans are coming! They are champing at the bit to claim our benefits, although they have put nothing in. They will bring their families and kids for the child benefit. They will bring their mafia style crime. They have no respect for us, nor authority. Our British woman have cause to be worried. The only way to divorce ourselves of the EU mess, is to VOTE UKIP or BNP.
People like that are sickening. They disgrace their country and put a bad name on hard-working and honest Lithuanians. I'm Lithuanian, and I would think the best would be to lock him up in UK, that will mean that he'll get the punishment he deserves. In Lithuania, unfortunately punishments for scum bags like that are not severe enough to teach them a lesson. He would serve maybe couple of years, and would be released on parole, because of 'good behaviour' and continue what he's doing, people like that don't change. I know UK don't want people like that and they're right, nobody does, but unfortunately, all human rights nonsense leave people like that without proper punishment.
Vote ukip, get these scumbags out...stronger border controls are needed now..
I'd have thought after Moira Jones was tragically murdered in Glasgow a few years ago by a known Eastern European sex attacker that border control will have been seriously reviewed - it seems not. Why can't we get the changes we need in this country?
We are allowing wild beasts to roam large. Who will save us? Not the Bullingdon Boys in their ivory towers.
Dont vote ukip as some comments on here say , remember they will form an alliance with labour , so things will only get worse.
Mr Cameron says we must stay in EU,he refuses to listen to the people of UK.Being in EU is giving people like this rapist a choice to appeal once leaving prison to stay is UK as it will be his human right.Id be out of UK as fast as possible if i could afford it.UKIP maybe our saviour.
Politicians live in "Cuckoo Land" not in our world.
Add your vote to HM Government E petion "Close our borders know" . Enough is enough.
Deport him now. Not in nine years time. Let an officer fly back with him and hand him over to the Lithuanian police. Simple.
But this type of person enriches society, is a hard worker etc.
What are we paying passport control for I wonder... ukip next time round.
Hundreds of thousands more are predicted to arrive in Britain soon. Foriegn Criminals - Coming to a street near you - Blair started it - Brown continued it - Cameron HIDES from it ! UKIP Needed.
Thats all its going to be is reports of Ferel immigrants who only come here to loot and plunder...and Rape as well..Long live the EU ...NOT!!!
Deport this filth.
We take in any old criminal these days - just wait until 2014 for even more to be allowed in. Multiculturalism and more importantly, open EU borders, does not work. Never has done and never will. Close the borders and only let in professionals like respected doctors and nurses. We really don't need anyone else.
And no doubt he was claiming our benefits so effectively being paid to stay here... Disgusting.
What grips me is this scumbag faces 'possible' deportation after his release. Am I on the same planet here folks? He should be put in a sack today and sent back to a dungeon in his homeland to serve out his sentence full stop. Absolutely, vote UKIP.
Why has no politician spoke out about this and many other cases like it... Silence from them all, a sit is they who sign these agreements in our name....YES the victims should sue the UK Government but not the tax payers to pay the cost....the MP's.
and we let him in, what is this country coming too, we need to take tighter control of our boarders and patrol our streets, more police, better training, we need to feel safe on our streets again, and stop letting anyone and everyone in
Another case of 'Open border crime', how many people have to be raped, injured or killed before we stop having open borders. Vote UKIP, it seems the only way to stop this abuse. This must also be causing problems for well behave immigrants who are being tarred with the same brush.
Do what happens here in OZ, lock em up on arrival, until backgrounds and paperwork have been checked
Even if you vote UKIP, it's probably too late. If you can, leave now. If you can't then vote UKIP and throw your full support behind them.
What happened to Border Protection! If a fugitive tried to get into this country he would be stopped!
Just wait until December this year when the EU floodgates really open and another FOUR MILLION immigrants swamp the already grossly overcrowded UK. VOTE UKIP TO GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK FROM THE EVIL CLUTCHES OF THE OBSCENE EU.
and when his sentence is served he will fight deportation on the grounds his human rights would be violated if he was sent back to gaol in his own country.
He was a criminal when he came here AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED AT THE BORDER AND SENT BACK HOME. No criminal should be allowed into Britain whether they come from the EU or the rest of the World.
before he gets thrown back please serve the time for the crime committed...
THANKS TO THE LABOUR PARTYS MASS IMMIGRATION FOR VOTES POLICY
If the British people don't stop voting for Lib / Lab / Con - then expect more and more of this - but of course it wont affect the politicians , they all live in leafy suburbs , well away from all of this .
How can politicians dare to bjt spin and scare monger us about leaving the EU when this is now a daily occurrence on our streets WAKE UP BRITAIN VOTE UKIP!! Romania and Bulgarian gypsies are waiting!!!!
Congratulations Britain on landing another piece of criminal scum. You've got him for as long as HE wants to be there because it'll be against his so-called human rights (what sicko came up with that misnomer!!?) to deport him - or better still execute him! He'll be back out on the streets in a couple of years, living on long-suffering taxpayer handouts and raping more innocent women. How great is that, eh?!!
no border controls,being told what to do by a panel of merrymen from brussles ,whilst are kids are be raped and killed ,by foreigner with no accountability welcome to soft ,soft uk what say you david old boy ?
More of this to come from 1.1.2014 when all the Bulgarian and Romanian criminals flock to the UK.
The solution is easy. Death penalty for rapists. They only come here because they know that British Justice is a joke and nothing will happen to them even if caught. We bring so many woes upon ourselves because the loony left legacy still prevails.
This is Just The Beginning!!!!
Time to give the EU the big finger! All British military personnel made redundant, should be immediately employed in sealing the borders. Then any EU dross [or half of Africa,Asia and the Far East] caught be deported tout suite back to FRANCE and elsewhere. Hollande will need them for voters anyway.
Do the government purposely want people's lives to be a misery surrounded by scum who face no real punishment for destroying others lives. Is it some kind of experiment until we beg them for ID cards or something. There's just no logic behind it, the criminals are destroying society, I sick of it.
Your comments:Why are you people complaining,the crybabies are in the ascendant,it is not about the girl it is about the rights of the individual,foreign or otherwise,the 'uhman rights act supersedes all,there are no borders hence no responsibilities temporal or otherwhise,do as you will the invitation is free.
Thank you so much, EU.
These horrific crimes will continue due to our spineless politicians and pathetic judicial system as long as we remain in the EU.We have totally lost control of our borders.Neither Cameron or Miliband will listen to the non silent majority.Vote UKIP save our Britain.
I'm just glad I don't have children/grandchildren - I don't want to contemplate what this country will be like in 20/30/40 yrs; that's assuming it still exists as a viable 'independent' and identifiable state. And Bulgaria and Romania have yet to join!
Criminals can just walk in ,but i have a friend who has been trying to get a visa for his wife for nearly a year.
Feeling 'enriched'?
A double-rapist gets 4yrs 6 months for each assault!! 'Minimum 9 years' after beating and raping 2 women! Just like the other 'rape'report elsewhere in DM I am just left stunned that an English Judge yet again completely fails to reflect the appalling agony of the victims or the demands of society that decent people be protected! I do predict with the rapidly rising lack of confidence in British Judiciary there will be increasing vigilantism with all the gross mistakes that entails unless UK Judges realise their abiding duty to the general public of issuing clear DETERRENT Sentences.
Just wait til the Bulgarians and Romanians have access to live here. We will have to house them and pay welfare for them. Open borders. Time to reclaim the country. Did I read that only 33 pct want out of the EU? That is quite puzzling.
Time to sort out the UKBA who should have prevented this EEA effluent setting foot on British soil. Mr Cameron , please log on to DM online and read the comments posted by the real, sane thinking, British public. 99% of their comments are a true reflection of how the British public view your shoddy attempt at Government and especially border control.
More non-indigenous filth.
How much more of this are we going to put up with before we take to the streets , like the French,and get this stopped once and for all.
All those who have suffered at the hands of these scum bags, be it rape, burglary, robbery, car theft etc. etc. should sue Tony Blair and his cronies. Take them to court and make them pay for your distress by opening the borders for the scum to come into Britain. My father said 30 years ago Britain would become a dumping ground for the rest of the world, and it has, just go to terminal 3 at Heathrow.
We're cutting back on our police force because we don't have any money and our economy has collapsed, probably because we are now overpopulated and all of our resources are overwhelmed, so as if we don't have enough home-grown scum.............we have to import it. UKIP may not outright win the next election, but neither will Camoron and the Tories.
Thill keep happening untill we stop people just coming into the country with no checks at all. How many more women have to suffer before the Goverment will actually do something?
...and theres potentially another 49 million just queuing up to get here right now thanks to the EU rulings. What a sad country this has become.
Phaedrus, Penzance, I also cannot believe we are the only member of the EU suffering from this problem. Certainly there are, take a look at the Swedish papers(in English) and you'll find the same problems especially with rape.
Sue the Home Office and Border Control.
Expect a few million more like him when Romania and Bulgaria followed closely by Turkey and Croatia. join us next year. Good being in the EU don't you think. Worth paying £53million a day for.
Yep, welcome to labours vision. A safe haven to the worlds scammers, fraudsters, rapists and thiefs
UKIP
We need capital punishment - widely applied - as a deterrent and to clear out prisons - applied retrospectively to existing inmates. Punish not Rehabilitate.
Yet more "diversity and enrichment" from the EU-SSR! Thanks LibLabCon for turning Britain into a more "vibrant" place...
What was ww1 and ww2 all about then
Note the weasel words- after parole he "faces deportation upon his release" Not WILL be deported, but FACES deportation, thats if the UKBA can be bothered to pick him up when he is released. And if they do he'll be released pending appeal ( at our expense) whereupon he will disappear until the next crime. So why isn't he sent home to serve his time as allowed under EU rules?
And the British Border Agency allowed him into OUR country, who is getting fired for that? We must vote UKIP to get our country back, it is our only chance.
I think this is why the PM doesn't want to leave the EU... He enjoys the people of Britain suffering.....Get out now and give us back our borders, you coward!
I cant understand why any country would have an open door policy regadless of the reason, even if people from other countries do have the right to live and work in another country does that mean they should not be vetted first... surely there should be a visa system were people have to submit a police report at least or a central data base that police and immigration officials can tap in to.. its a total sham..
The problem is we have restrictions on our own citizens which we can easily check up through CRB checks which are done in India, yet anyone coming here can get around these checks and go straight into work leapfroging British citizens thanks to Labours Equality Act 2010 which states that minorities should be given preference over white men. Those coming here come with low skills sets and take up low waged jobs which means that our national pension scheme cannot cope because the foreigners aren't paying enough into the scheme. AT EVERY TURN MEMBERSHIP OF THE EU HAS BEEN DISASTEROUS FOR BRITAIN.
DM, PLEASE PRINT THIS....IT IS MY HUMAN RIGHT TO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, AND I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING THAT ISN'T TRUE~~~~~~~~~~~~~My god, everything you read is about criminals from Europe, thieving, fraud, more thieving, rape....we already have enough of our own criminals we don't want any more. What is our country becoming?? Lets get out of Europe and send them all back....They would soon disappear, if their benefits were scrapped!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~VOTE UKIP ~~~~~~~~
This is it.. what I am afraid of, the Border have no Control, instead of Border Control.. so may be people who wants to come here, if they are from EU, check the name, nationality dob and finger prints against the Police crime in those country, hence, if they are on the list of the police those country we have the authority to object them to come here. Secondly even though they have the right to come here, the Border Agency have the right to ask them how much money they have,where they are going to stay, if they have relatives, can we have the address and cross check with them, and what is the purpose to come here, If you are in Asia, some of the country ask like that if they are suspicious they will deport you straight away. Surely UKBA should protect their people.
Just political tools....how to break up a civilised society.....yes EU is a shining example of the tyranny we are under....give him a house and a pension....then you compare us to Apes as being fair....haha dont be so naive DM.
Another " guest " committing a heinous crime, time to stop these animals coming here.
Labour:the gift that keeps on giving.
Working as Intended, the EU let's migrants come into the country and do as they will, even if it's rape women... oh wait is this where we draw the line, didn't think we had a line.
Another one ? How many more times do I have to read this scenario, and how many women will be traumatised by these sorts of attack ?
Isn't it time to close the door. There's only one political party with the guts to do it, and they've just overtaken the Tories in the latest opinion poll. First place is only a matter of time for UKIP, and then we will se some real action in this country, and a whole raft of vagabonds, scroungers, and pretend asylum seekers, will be chased back to where they came from!
How many more dangerous immigrants like Mindaugas Butkus are out there? It's a question that can't be answered because the government doesn't even know how many immigrants have entered the country.
Good to see our great boarder control doing their job?.
BRAVE GIRL .GLAD SHE SEEMS TO BE IN CONTROL OF HER LIFE . PITY ABOUT THE EASTERN EUROPEAN CRIMINAL SCUM THAT IS FLOODING THE COUNTRY.MANY MORE TO COME IN DECEMBER.
OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT - PIG SCUM. Another result from the Border Agency and this government!
Without any right to appeal etc, PUT HIM ON A PLANE NOW! Foreign criminals should be banned for whole of life from entering or staying in the UK! Sadly we get the cess pit of foreign criminals who exploit serious security lapses thanks to rulers in the EU!
I wonder if there is a figure for how many adults & children have been attacked/raped because of our open border. How many British people would be alive today if we had control of all immigration and asylum seeking issues. These things happen in every country yes, but uncontrolled immigration has caused crime to become totally out of control in the UK. He will not be deported, he'll join the other garbage already here and hide among half of romania and bulgaria who are packing their bags right now. I despair.....and it makes me SO angry we have to build more houses, prisons, hospitals etc to accomodate more of them and chuck away more taxpayers money with our International Benefits System.
What is the prime function of Passport Control ?
With completely open borders this will continue to happen, just wait until more countries can travel freely. The EU will never work in the current format, I also cannot believe we are the only member of the EU suffering from this problem. I can only guess there are many people in many countries wondering what they have done agreeing to open borders and mass economic migration.
He should be deported immediately with the Lithuanian goverment incarcerating him for 9 years, its adding insult to iinjury ,that this monster attacks British nationals and is then kept in one of our soft prisons at our expense.
And this is what the E.U say we have to allow into our country with open arms and pay them and house tham as soon as they set foot on our soil.GET US OUT THE EU NOW.
Take him off the streets!!!!!! Take him out of the country and throw the trash back where he came from.What is happening to Briton? Letting in all the scum from all over the world.You polititans have lost control.
Everytime something like this happens it's another spit in the face from our useless, but sly, politicians and the cauldron of hell that's the EU. If we don't put our faith in UKip absolutely nothing will change for the better.
Vote UKIP if you want your country back.
SCUM!
OK so you detect these criminals-then what? no deportation, human rights, own a cat?
Thats right...give our jobs to the immigrants. and leave the british to rot!!!! Grrrrrrr111
Might be a good idea to check that these people havent got criminals records before they come in to the Country in the first place.
What a bloody mess.
This (organised crime) must be one of those benefits of immigration that we are so frequently being told about. I KNEW it was good for the country. What a shambles.
This is uncanny. I have just finished writing a situation comedy for TV about an over enthusiastic Polish detective seconded to a sleepy rural police force 'Eastford Anglia Constabulary' complete with a bonkers crime commissioner and hapless police officers. Its working title is 'Operation Plodska'. The hero is called Detective Karol Plonka and he has a list of 12 criminals he wants to return to Poland. The first episode involves his hunt for a gang of luxury car thieves from his home town on the Belarus border. I've just started to circulate this to production companies. Life imitating art or what?
We should never have admitted foreign criminals to the UK in the first place. Those who commit crime here should be deported straight away!
The E.U planned this sort of thing to gain control of nation states at times of unrest, riots included!!
Good idea whoever came up with this.
I was getting optimistic till I read the operation will only last four days :/
At last the police Federation and authority have brought in there European counter parts.So LET THE GAMES BEGIN .POLICE 1 ,European cooks 0.
About time
This would not be necessary if we were able to demand a visa before entry.
UK need the help of more developed nations like Poland and Lithuania. I'm glad they are helping us (-:
What has happened to this once great country for ? I fear its all going to be downhill now !
This is ONLY happening because we have LOST Control of OUR BORDERS for being in the CORRUPT EU.
Yes I can certainly see our police teaching them a thing or two, they'll know how to hold a speed gun by the time they get home.
One more thing to thank blair brown balls mcnulty Harman and the rest of the idiots in the labour party for.
Wouldnt it be easier not to be a part of this wretched EU? It hasnt given us anything good we could not have done by ourselves.
No one with a criminal record should be allowed in Britain. Someone who can't speak English should be allowed in. Britain is really going to the dogs. It's lost it's morals. When I went to London had not seen one English flag, only seen 3 Union Jacks. We are a country that used to be proud to be British but look around what's to be proud of, people can't wear poppies anymore in memory of the people who fought to protect our country.
Hnmm
I am from Estonia, and I really think that it's disgusting. Living in UK for us is of course something different for us, but living in cave, being homeless?! It's shame! It is, because we already have a lot of homeless, and let them be in our country. What I'm trying to say that UK i very great country and discussing here about a homeless man from Estonia that aspires to be nice and decent. I have the same feeling when someones reputation falls and falls and falls. We don't want others to see our weak or bad sides. We want to mend them ourselves.
It doesn't matter where one go: if you go with the same mind, you will end up back the same way. What's the point of coming into the UK when doesn't know how to use the chance to self leverage: learn a trade, pay for a course,dress up decently and learn to respect each individual....it's not comet science is it?
Go home then, or get a job and contribute to society. Pretty simple really
I'm from Estonia(russian speaking)too! If you have will and desire you can find a job and live normal life.This guy made his choise as millions made their... I started from low paid job:labouring,worked long hours and almost no weekends.After 10 years being here(have different job ) I can afford lots of things I couldn't even dreamed about. People are just lazy,many enjoy living on other people expenses and taxes... If everyone would have a mentality like a Japanese people UK would be a better place..Just my 2p..Thank you for reading..
It is really sad to read another sad story of an Estonian whose dreams about a simple life in abroad has been collapsed. Even sadder for me, as an Estonian, is to read comments from Estonia on this matter. It is really meaningless to bring up our salary or pension level in Estonia in this context. I¿m almost sure that our embassy can arrange his return home. However, the problem is if he really wants? But does he?
mmetsas, 18:32 = Can you write that again in english because that was complete gibberish.
est, 1719 = Estonia is your problem it does not give you all the right to come here turning our country into a slum, stay put and sort your own problems out.
In the 2 World War II we was ready given our life or we would have died for you Brits! Now, are you not even a little bit of power TAKE CARE of our missing or lost a son. Shame on you! In life is not easy, my mom will be 200EUR a month and she is kindergarten teacher!
Give them the plane fare home and escort them on the plane.
If their home nations had a shred of self respect, obviously there is none for the UK, they would take responsibility for repatriating them. IN/OUT Referendum NOW.
GO HOME you must have caves in your own country.. Why come here to Stockport who told you where the caves are? We have our own Homeless do not add to it.. No doubt you will have a mobile phone.. We have become the begging bowl of the world..
Your comments:I am from Estonia and should say that many people in country have minimal salary, it is 280 euro in MONTH. And government doesnt care about us, they stole EU money and for them everything is OK. Do U think those people want to live in UK in caves? Welcome to Estonia with salary 280 euro, live and enjoy!!!!
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Yeah. It's their choise to be there! But they have no money to go back home. That's why they are still there I guess.
Yeah it's their own choise you say , okay . But now they just can't go to their own countrey to their own home. They have no money for that! ;)
Poor Law and work houses were better than this.
These people have homes to go to in their own countries. It is their choice to be here unlike our own homegrown homeless who genuinely have nothing and nobody!
There is nobody forcing them to live in these caves it is entirely their own choice.
that's a mansion to those people !!
No one is forcing them to live in the caves it is entirely their own choice.
If they live so bad why did they come here !!!!!!! The people have a right to a duty of of Care and its up to there Embassy to pay for their fare home and rehouse house them in there own countries Its NOT the duty of the Council they should put pressure on the Embassies It not our fault and the British taxpayer should not be picking up any bills
People, lets come down to earth and see this situation as it is. The ones sitting next to computer reading this sad news are part of the problem created by the society we live in. The ones who live in the caves are part of the problem too. We are not so far from each other. I think instead of writing about it and looking down on it, we should be taking this seriously and trying to solve the situation. That there would not be people living in the middle of the plastic bags that we, oh so proudly, consume. We are not better that they are. We just have different problems. I think we need each other to understand the situation of our dear planet.
Then here is a novel idea.......GO HOME
I think that is his rubbish and will be left when he decides to move on, with the taxpayer footing the bill to clean it .up!
But they all get social housing as soon as they arrive in the UK.................You told us.
Why are people blaming the EU for this? It is the result of policies pursued by our Government. Brussels whatever your view on it cannot do anything about this, it simply lacks the power. Look instead to local and national government. This kind of thing is a disgrace and our government should make it a priority to sort it out, along with the equally scandalous situation of food banks providing food for half a million desperate Britons. These situations do not exist because of the EU, they exist because our government has made deliberate choices to cut the benefits system, 'sanction' people without much of a reason, and thus allow people to fall into this sort of situation. Write to your MP and make an issue of this, or it will just continue and one day it may be you.
Stockport is not in Manchester
My son used to play in those caves when he was a kid.
I am Estonian and Really I have very bad feeling when I read this stuff and watch photos, how some people living .... why they don t come back home in Estonia ? I think If You not found happiness, then come back and try again live normal life. I m not understand , here is Your people and I think If You want and You try, then You can back come to life. Ok maybe they have some bigger problem in life and because they not come back. I don t know.....
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Do not feel sorry for them, suggest they go home
This has seriously nothing to do with nationality. This is about the specific person and then it does not matter where he/she lives, because probably he would be living in a cave in Estonia too...Is the article suggesting that there is 0 homeless with British nationality??? Rubbish!
Our once Great Britain has been turned into a slum, thanks to our softly softly governemts and the powers that be in Brussels, eventualy the real people of our once proud country will revolt and do something about it themselves, because our governments sure as hell wont.
France has got 4 times the land of the UK, but still they come to this crowded little island.
So when typhoid takes hold followed by TB someone may try and do something but it will be too late because an epidemic would be on the go. A frightening but possible scenario. Close the area off put slurry on the ground and people won't want to go there.
"Are you watching dave? ...... pictures ........commonplace, and you will be sacked". And be replaced with WHAT?? Are you so deluded as to believe anyone, Labour or UKIP, will stop this? Labour signed us up to this "travel around Europe with impunity" crap and Labour are totally to blame for the situation we are in now. They threw benefits at anyone who landed here be they legal or not. Listen to Mandelson and weep. I would like to see figures for any British people who are living in a cave, or on the streets, of any other member state in this nasty Union. I can guarantee they will be minimal. And you know why - no other country would be idiotic enough to allow this to happen. Due to an increasingly lefty liberal elite, brought up on faulty social science concepts, we are reaping the benefits of years of complacency. If you want changes (and they will have to be tough and nasty) get out and VOTE. Stop moralising and whingeing from your armchairs or bedrooms.
Get an aircraft carrier round them all up in UK and send em back at the same time give us our Referendum
even living in a cave theres no need to live in abject squalor
Send these squatters and low lives back to their own countries before they wreck every aspect of British life.
JUST SEND THE PICTURES TO RUMANIA AND BULARIA
Haven't seen anyone saying that they were evicted from their cave, yet.
dOES IT MATTER WHAT TYPE OF pARLIAMENT WE; WHAT WE NEED ARE POLITICIANS WHO HAVE THE GUTS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE PROBLEMS.
It is an infestation.
Your comments:the guy in the cave will get a council tax bill!
Well said, Jim! These different governments of ours suffer from the same disease now and in the past. Workers as long as they are CHEAP! If you don't do it for sixpence the somone else will do it for fourpence.
I live in the area and didn't know about these caves.....now I know and cannot visit them. Go Europe.
BLAIR AND HIS GANG ARE MAINLY RESPONSIBLE,BUT AT THE LAST G.E.WE THOUGHT WE HAD VOTED FOR AN OUTFIT WHO WAS GOING TO SORT IT OUT????????????????????
Why done they go back and why did they come in the first place?
Is this what Britian has become; another reason to "GET OUT OF EUROPE" and then kick the whole damn lot of them out.
what exactly does the DM want? do they think that they should be given a council house? do they think they should receive social security payments? given the fare and a hand out to go home? the only way we can sort the mess out is to have an English parliament, but we will never get that. England and the English, you might not remember them, they used to exist but the politicians and news media have snuffed them out. Now they are called Brits and their country is called the ewe kay,
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB, LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 If you yoghurt knitting lefties get your way, we'll ALL be living on the streets before too long.
Nobody asked them to come here.
So why are we going to let in more and more - the streets of the UK are not paved with gold just litte,r scroungers and dog muck.
Oh go on,give them some housing benefits.
all those people who feel sorry for them. maybe should find a bed for them in their own homes.
What these people really need is a shovel, a broom and some lessons on hygiene. Better still how about NOT LETTING THEM INTO THE COUNTRY because good britains are going to be needing those caves pretty soon as the corporate led government with its inhuman taxing system starts ousting britons out of their homes because there is "No Profit" to come from people with no work.
Are you watching dave? Come next January these pictures will become commonplace, and you will be sacked.
this is why the goverment needs to stop any more coming in untill we can send some of the unwanted ones back,simple.
Are we meant to feel sorry for them? Why on earth did they come here to live in those conditions? Oh yes that's right - because it's easier than working for a living. This sort of story just drives home the message that IDS is right and the benefit culture has to stop.
they chose to come here,
Could be worse - at least they're not 30 miles downstream, next to the Scousers.
""A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.- Just Me, The North, United Kingdom, 13/6/2013 0:02 Errmm, is this a five minute argument, or the full 24 hours?
The state of the caves says a lot about the people who live there. Noting to stop them cleaning them up, putting rubbish in bags etc. They could at least take the trouble to keep them clean and tidy.
Sorry, nope, can't raise an ounce of sympathy. They CHOSE to leave their countries. They CHOSE to live there which, as they can CHOSE to return to their countries, must still be better than 'home'. The question is: do we have enough caves to house the hundreds of thousands who will be arriving in a few short months?
They are not forced to live there. Why don't they go back home?
I'm all for supporting them a ticket home,Bye
I wish poor people would stop and ask themselves honestly:Why am I poor? The answer maybe in this article.
Whys isn't the council doing something about this. The council should get off their backsides sort this out rather than harass motorists and tax payers.
If that's "home", why don't they spend 5 minutes tidying up?
VOTE UKIP--------- To take the nation back to the Stone Age.
They should pay tax to occupy those caves! Dirty scroungers!
Why is the government doing nothing to help?
This goes on and the Rich get even Richer than ever before under this Govt....and I voted for them !
They should go back to their own countries!
This is the nastiest government since God knows when. - piggy, london, 12/6/2013 19:44 What has this got to do with the Government these people landed on these shores with no jobs no money and obviously no plan on how they were going to live, i suppose you want everyone to be given homes and benefits as soon as they set foot here, you really do need to get into the real world
Come January 14th I believe they are entitled for benefits, housing, medicine, schools etc etc etc. Why cannot our political elite see the mess they have caused through forcing us into eu rules we the masses do not want. And no referendum (just don't buy the 2017 one as camoroon is so pro europe) So if you want out and this mess sorted use the election as a referendum and vote UKIP.
go home simple
then they should go back to their own country , why are the authorities allowing these squatters we surely have enough home grown without importing more. Thank you Brussels for trying to bring Britain down to the level of the Eastern countries these people come from and thank you Mr Blair and his party for assisting them .
I'm really surprised why Estonians or Czechs are going to UK. Do they really think UK is better? Both countries are quite wealthy. There's something wrong with these few people. My answer is - no. I've been living in UK, Czech republic and now back to Latvia and can honestly say - In czhech republic and/or Latvia (yes - even poor Latvia!!!) I am better off than UK.
a poor man is suffering and all you can do is debate weather he should be in this country or not.
it's only filthy because the people are. there is no reason not to pick up after yourself. even if you live in a cave.
We should not forget that humans lived in conditions like this for many Millenia. The trash they left behind is important archeological evidence.
The EU Parliament and social engineers in Brussels will fix the problem.
Shocking - this is ENGLAND in 2013.......something is seriously wrong with the UK and the direction it's being taken!
i do hope they are paying council tax!!
They are just biding their time until they can start claiming benefits and free housing.
I'd rather live in a cave than on a city sidewalk.
Why not go squat in an office building in France?
Wasn't there a 10p house for sale? Can't the government buy it and give a few unfortunate fellow countrymen a helping hand?
A home should be a human right. Build us homes!
" Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class"==> I am not surprise, because this middle class used to work, get steady job, do some saving, if you back in 2007/2008 when saving a bit high, and some business starting collapse especially Lehman Brothers, Icelandic bank , hence lots of redundancy, once this happen, the LGA at that time did not act quick enough to help them with the mortgage, hence now they have to repossess, they lost hope of working, they have no where to stay, but bare in mind they used to work, paying their tax and NI. The impact of losing jobs, and not able to pay mortgage is nightmare, as you can imagine not all people receiving income support etc. whilst people who are never work for over 20 years, have more than 4+ children can live with lavish style earned >£2K pcm from all taxpayers money.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
I don't know what they think we are supposed to do. If a population the size of Newcastle chooses to come to Britain every year, it's up to them to find a home, not us.
Divert them round to the MP's houses perhaps they would like to shack up in their gardens.
The Estonian man in the secret warren, perched on a 20ft precipice overhanging the River Mersey. REALLY? I WAS BORN IN STOCKPORT IN 1945 AND I THINK IT'S TIME I WENT BACK TO HELP CLEAN IT UP!
What exactly do people expect the government to do? They are all entitled to use the benefits system aren't they? Then they can start looking for jobs like everyone else. And if there are no jobs available, their local job center will see that as well, and that way the government will support them financially. And also another point - the government can't just magically make millions of jobs appear. If they could, I'd be happy to see what your solution is. And I'm sure the rest of the countries of this world would like to know as well...
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy! - Darren1951, Darwen, 12/6/2013 21:47 You was lucky we lived in the desert at midnight, what is this some kind of competition? point is no one should be this poor no matter where we live in the world, we should share it instead to sniping over who has this and who has that.
Down with the 1%.
I suppose they were "forced" to come here, and "forced" to strew their litter around. Not even an animal dirties its den. People used to live in caves until the 50s above the River Severn and elsewhere. As a child I saw their homes, so know what I'm talking about. I never saw any rubbish back then. They were clean and tidy people.
My daughter has lived in a hostel for nearly a year in one tiny room, with her 2 year old. she works but is a single parent. she has watched literally scores of overseas guests!! get housed in nice little new builds whilst she goes to the back of the queue!! Shes so dignified about it wishing them luck as they leave (they reply in broken English). Its heart breaking what is going on?
I don't care what the reason is, NO-ONE in England should have to live like this. It is to our shame! If we cannot sort ourselves out so that all our inhabitants live securely, with warmth and with food in their bellies, how the hell can we pontificate about what other countries should be doing and about rights? It's bloody disgusting! I feel ashamed.
Being homeless is one thing...being a filthy pig is quite another. Clean that stuff up.
Condom wrappers??These people live in caves and are getting action?? I guess I need to move
They do have somewhere to go --back to their own country, they are probably illegals anyway
"Sometimes kids come down and set fire to their sleeping bags when they're in them." WHAT?
That's shocking! In this day and age no one should have to live in such squalid conditions, they should be made to clear up their rubbish.
"Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.- Martha, Allotment, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 22:36 Tamara who?
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ? - Billy Middle England, Solihull, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 20:26 I visited them when i was a kid. They were actually quite comfortable not just 'caves' but normal looking rooms with fireplaces wallpaper etc. Don't know why your comment got red arrowed!
Nobody "forces" them to live in caves, your use of the English language is apalling.
I am assuming his is a Tax Payer funded sandstone cave near Stockport ? If you do not want to live in a cave in the UK, go home. Please.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013.......During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not. Aye, an' you try tellin' t'kids o' t'day that, an' they won't believe yer.
I feel sorry ,when they are forced to buy smokes and alcohol.
Sorry I've got the wrong page, I'm looking for Tamara Ecclestone's wedding celebrations.
Welcome to Cameron's Britain.
And we're handing out overseas aid left right and centre while MPs are still completely oblivious in their ivory towers. Makes my blood boil.
For Stockport, that's a des res.
They should not be allowed in the country if they do not have a job, reasonable financial savings and a home to stay in. Close the borders.
plastic bottles as shoes binbag as a coat and a breezeblock wipe your bottom.
Big Society - Biggest load of old Bo*****s ever
They looking like they are having a great time! its just like camping but free! Perfect!!
We are now starting to look more and more like Eastern Europe - no surpise there
CaMoron, Osbourne, IDS and Hague should all be very ashamed and RESIGN!
Living in filth, is that what we have to look forward to when they move into ( a benefit funded ) house next door?
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" We was poor, but we was 'appy!
No matter how prosperous society becomes, there will always be people who will become homeless and not work or try to get a job. People who are hard working and honest and find themselves in this position because of bad luck or other valid reasons should be helped......Sadly, these people are in a small minority. Believe me, I've been there.
please look after the poor unfortunates in this country first Dave Cameron - this is scandalous
"Well, what did you expect in twenty first Century Britain?!"
big society eh?
Terrible situation, and it is totally unrealistic to say he should get a job. I was homeless and living on the streets years ago and it was really not that easy. The then new laws making it harder to evict unsuitable tenants made people wary of renting their spare rooms, and employers refused me without having a proper address, it was hard to keep clean & get a proper nights sleep , I was refused benefits without an address to sign on from, and 'live in' jobs were not forthcoming with nobody to vouch for you. It was a slippery downward slope and took months to get back on my feet again. For many years I have worked hard long hours but I will never forget those homeless days and now am so grateful for everything I have and the people that gave me a chance..
Things will only get worse. The rich will not care as the disadvantaged get shafted by this uncaring government
If this is how they treat their home I wouldn't want to be living anywhere near them, they probably have no respect for anything. At least animals are organic. Look at all that damn plastic! They don't deserve such beautiful surroundings if they treat it like this. If I had to live here I'd cut some wood and leaves and make a proper shelter, have a disposal area, cooking area etc. Useless!
These people are nearly all immigrants. Why are they here if they cannot afford to support themselves? I struggle to believe that they are all middle class people who have lost their jobs, it's laughable. I don't think that they should be living in caves, but why should we have to pay to provide them with accommodation? They should go back to their own countries.
it was good enough for mother shipton..............
THE UK IS FINISHED. ABSOLUTELY FINISHED. VOTE UKIP.
Did some of you not read the article properly? Just because the story highlights an Estonian man doesn't mean that he is the only one. The article also mentions that British middle class people have been affected, Benefit cuts, sanctions, changes to disability benefits bedroom tax, unemployment etc are affecting many many people in this country, many of whom are just like you and me (the wonderful taxpayers). It could be you next so think on, Daily Mail readers, before you make your sarcastic prejudiced comments.
OUToftheEU...............NOW!, before the bulgarians and Rumanians come next! the government of this country is pathetic, the only 'good job' they are doing is convincing even more people to vote UKIP next time round!
You would have to be cold hearted not to feel any sympathy for this guy but as a nation in severe financial crisis with many of our own people struggling we can't afford to house & feed everybody that manages to reach our shores. We're paying fortunes in overseas aid & health tourism on the NHS. The best way to help him is to put him on a flight back to Estonia, it has to be the responsibility of his own nation to look after it's own people not that our government could teach them much in that area.
Instead of giving immigrants houses and benefits, the government should see things like this and help our own. This is disgraceful in this day and age.
Just wait and see the homes materialise next January when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive,betcha anything they'll be housed chop-chop,it's only native Britons that will be given the bums rush.
maybe they should go back to eastern europe then im sure we have enough homeless of our own!
Perhaps if there were not so many foreigners taking up our housing and resources, then there would be plenty to go round.
just wait until next year when the romanians arrive. shanty towns aplenty in London and other major cities.
Wait until January next year.....we will see more cardboard cities and rubbish heaps of the immigrant poor free to seek work but with nowhere to live..
These are the people are international aid should be going too!!!!!
It's all going very well is it not!
Homelessness is nothing new, but the sadness is that it is not so difficult to sort out, except that the Shelter laws have put such high expectations on state accommodation that a box room is probably inadequate. These requirements for adequate housing mean well but also mean that more people are in danger of ending up on the streets because there is NO SUITABLE ACCOMMODATION, and the state does not want to be held responsible for infringing on people's rights by inadequately housing them. Well frankly anything is more suitable than a cold, wet, dangerous street.
When so many people can't afford to pay for their own food, why on EARTH are we paying taxes so that the MPs in this country get their weekly shopping for free?? Don't get mad at each other, it takes attention away from the people who are truly ruining this country.
Why are these people here? If they cannot support themselves, they should be sent back to their own countries. EU rules that allow them to stay here are crazy. The EU will never let the UK renegotiate our membership terms, so the sooner UKIP get into government the better.
Why is it our responsibility. They came of their own free will. I am a bit fed up of all these sob stories.
I'm sure the Estomians wouldn't provide me with a free house if I went there with no job to go to so why should we be expected to house him? We should really stop people coming into the country unless they can prove they have a job to go to.
Hard to put a comment to this article, on the one hand people should have no need to rough sleep in a first world country but on the other why come here if this is how you are going to live, our own people must get first choice of houses and jobs then and only then should others be offered them and if you do not have a home ready or a job to go into then please do not come.
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare? - Penny, Worcester, 12/06/2013 13:27 Well they clearly didn't have the air fare to get home so they should return the way they got here, on the underside or in the back of a lorry
Tony Blair and co should let them all live in his mansions with them, fancy letting these poor people live in them conditions , after they were the ones that invited them here..And the next batch that will be flooding our shores next year, perhaps the the coalition Government and the house of our lords should take them in their homes..I expect they have plenty of spare rooms in their homes they could let..
Well, they're not UK citizens - so give them the cost of a flight home and wave bye bye. It's that simple.
"England is pathetic" ? Like there are no homeless in the US, of for that matter, in any other country! If Immigrants sleep like this - not the responsibility of the host country!
This shoot looks posed to me ....
When I worked in Waltham Forest people including kids are living in council owned garages...
Warning: Jonathan Billings, from homelessness charity Wellspring, says many people seeking help over accommodation are middle-class The same middle class that get into debt by the bucket load.
Blame the banks, this IS down to them . The recession is man made, they are making trillions from it and this debt can NEVER be paid back only wiped out by the rich and powerful when they finally decide they have had enough. Any Government that tells you we have to cut back because they have to pay back the debt is LYING to you, they know the debt can NEVER EVER EVER be paid back. The moment we stop taking loans and mortgages collectively as a nation from banks, is the moment they will lower everything. They are playing monopoly with our lives, we are all at risk and they are currently WINNING.
DM broadcast these pictures to the countries where these migrants come from, maybe they will see we have had enough of the freeloaders sponging off us time to send them all packing
Mostly I am proud to be British, sometimes though after reading a story like this I am ashamed to be British. Its about time forgein aid was cut, and we helped our own people, no human should have to live like this regardless of their gender, age, religion, colour of skin, or country of origin.
nice to see they are making an effort ,with decorating the walls in green etc, see ! not so bad is it ?
Work or want, It's what life is about.
England is pathetic
My great , great grandparents lived in a cave ( rock house ) at Vales Rock Kinver Edge . Their daughter , my great grandmother was born there . So what`s the problem ?
Are the caves in Estonia of a similar quality?
Just because they're homeless doesn't mean they have to live in filth, why don't they collect the rubbish up and dispose of it to make the surroundings better ?
Why is it up to the British taxpayer to provide a home for someone from Estonia? Sorry but he's come here with no job to come to so why should we pay for a home?
Instead of giving money to third world countrys lets start and look after our own first and get rid of food kitchens help the people that need help, spend money on the destitute in the uk first the rest the later.
"Homeless people are forced to live in the caves near Stockport"......NO THEY'RE NOT! They shouldn't be here if they have no job, or no money. Why have they come? I know, because they thought the UK was a soft touch and they would be housed and fed for free. GO HOME, I SAY, WE'VE FINISHED WITH CHARITY FOR ALL COMERS.
Go back to your own country and try to make it a better place,like we did untill half the world caught on.
Get a job then
so the hate dictator choudry geezas wife can live in a million pound home funded by council and meanwhile people are living in caves?
The Result of MASS IMMIGRATION by BLAIR and BROWN.
Can we send Iain Duncan Smith to live here?
Oh no these people are already littering our street (migrants) now they're messing up our caves as well. Why come here in the first place when we can't cope, afford or want them. .
I'm going to move to North Korea then moan about how they don't look after me.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Then maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then!
Go home, don't expect to freeload here, we got too much of that already.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia. - Kati, Finland, 12/6/2013 16:44 Maybe he shouldn't have come here in the first place then
They don't have to stay here. They are always free to go home as I don't want to house anybody who was not born here as charity begins at home and that is not home to every free loading foreigner that comes here.
This makes my blood boil. Why are our people left to live like this whilst we give homes to immigrants, it is absolutely disgusting.
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them. - hmmm , Reading, United Kingdom.................A plane ticket? How about a quick ferry ride and a bicycle?
To think the billions and billions of pounds the state has, that after two world wars where people fought and died for a better world, that we have people living on the streets in this ridiculously cold weather. But no the EU needs those billions to spend on wine and the geniuses running the councils need to waste 150,000 on measuring grass! No one should be having to resort to living like this in 2013. Does it really cost so much to help someone in need at least have somewhere warm to sleep?
This is just the beginning. Wonder if the Bilderbergers were discussing how to get all of the "unwashed", as they call us, into caves. Meanwhile, they spend a few thousand pounds on a bottle of champaign.
They should make this public across Eastern Europe so that it might deter more of them from coming here?
Don't come to Britain if you have no job, no money or no means of supporting yourself. I would not expect to move to another country in Europe and expect them to give me everything for free. Nor would another country be stupid enough to do it, only in Britain.............
This looks like America, commencing 20yrs ago when their government made benefits temporary. i.e. only 6months to 3yrs unemployment benefit in you entire life. It is coming to us, buy why are we paying 3x the TAX of Americans? Look at their fuel TAX, income TAX and VAT etc.
This is the nastiest government since God knows when.
does not look like housekeeping is high on the agenda for these people
Simple solution if your not british go back home to your own country surely if you have to live in a cave here you would be better off back home and i thought you did not get benefits if you had no address so if thats the case he must spend his time begging OR what.
probably still have to pay council tax aswell
We also are required by EU law to support these children who come across the borders, who have no families here. What back up is there for them. We do not look after our own, when they run into problems. What chance do these have I believe we have about 1200 coming from various places every year, that is a lot of children.
Go back to your own country then, idiots!
IF HE'S LLOKING FOR US TO BE IN SHOCK HORROR MODE IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN - THERE ARE TOO MANYOF HIM AND HIS ILK COMING HERE TAKING HOMES FROM BRITISH PEOPLE AND OUR SYMPATHY IS DRAINED - US FIRST!
Shortage of homes????? Wait till the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here to live later this year......As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet".....Be afraid....Be very afraid.
Ah yes the Tories are in power, it'll get worse until we get rid of them. Next homeless crisis will affect the elderly, just you watch!
He doesn't have to live like this,he can always go home.
were safe until DM exposed them
Homelessness is, of course, very sad, but we can't be responsible for housing most of Europe (or the World). I support housing for British people who have paid in. Those from overseas should be given a plane ticket back to their own country, where their own Government can help them.
Living as nature intended in a cave eating scraps left by larger stronger predators.
It could be worse, could be scouse.
Not much of a home is it? I don't know much about the difficulties, but it's actually quite shocking that people have no alternative but to sleep rough. I'd rather like to donate I think, though contact details would make it easier..
Nothing to do with the millions of legal and illegal immigrants that are occupying the properties that these cave-dwellers could be in then?? It's time that the spongers who have not contributed a penny in taxes and are enjoying our benefits system, flooding our hospitals and council accommodation and creating frightening unemployment figures were sent to Germany where Frau Merkel could have the pleasure of their company. She could show us how it should be done and prepare for even more when GB votes in the referendum and Britain becomes British again and the Euro Judges are unable to dictate how the criminals from other countries are to be dealt with.
yet we can send billions of £'s abroad in aid and spend more billions £'s on war's we should not be fighting in countries that have nothing to do with the UK....please explain why???
Unfortunately all big cities have a homeless problem..whether the person who is homeless chooses that or not. It isn't getting any better.
Fakery by the Left? Surely not.....
I'm ashamed to say I live in Stockport and had no idea these caves or homeless people existed!
This is where Tony Blair should be living!
Romaians should go back and live in their own caves! British caves for British people!
Being poor does not excuse leaving garbage strewn everywhere. I can sympathize with where they live, but not how.
Their not homeless, their in tune with nature!! Living the way nature intended us to live!
This is Tory Britain.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad. - Gloria , Switzerland, 12/6/2013 18:30 Luxury, the lot of ya. We used to live in a beautiful £500,000 home, BUT........it was right next door to Abu Hamza!! Now THAT'S what I call bad.
There is a distinct difference between 'forced' an ' no alternative'. 'FORCED' the new 'Hilarious!' from the DM.
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky... - Susan , Manchester, 12/6/2013 18:44---During the war ,when newspaper and paper bags ran out we used grass for toilet paper.I skid you not.
This hasn't happened by accident you know.
"Homeless men and women forced to live in caves" - don't tell me DM, there are tens of thousands of them, right? Er no, only two or three! Very very typical DM.
The British live in caves while Islamist fighters live in luxury - paid for by the State. What a wonderful world!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
I only sympathise with those born and raised here who have worked and paid into this country then find themselves without work, income or any help. Those from other countries can go back to their home country.
Cameron get your Priorities right!!!!!!!!!!!! 55million per day EU plus 11 billion paid to Foreign Dictators!!!!!!!!!! Cameron our Priorities at home first. No wonder I like many others Ex-Toriy Voters will ensure UKIP is Voted in at the next election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One moment you're all moaning about immigrants coming here and taking our jobs, homes and benefits, now you're all saying it's the governments fault these people are homeless!!! Make up your minds will you? Why did this man come here to the UK? Was he hoping for everything you moaned about, and didn't actually get it, or is he hoping for reaction you've given and he'll get some free housing.....................
One of my friends who came to the UK from serbia said she was so shocked at how many homeless people there were on the streets! If you go through London, and other big cities there's so many young people sleeping rough, I've seen girls and boys of 16, the UK is a developed modern country and it breaks my heart to see people in this state. I was living with extended family when I was a teen and after a big row when I was 16 I was kicked out, and my school said to me, we are really sorry but social services will not help you as your now 16 so your main option is a hostel! Thankfully I had other family but many teenagers or people in general do not! I think more needs to be done to combat this issue because it has no place in today's society, especially when there's 45 million pound houses on sale and there is people sleeping rough around the corner!
Perhaps these photos could be published in Estonia to dispel the myth that Britain is the land of milk and honey...
@Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please g
Yet an immigrant can walk in and get a house and benefits at the drop of a hat! Shocking!
"A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!" - catnipsam, northampton, 12/6/2013 16:46......You had grass? Real grass? Boy, you were lucky...
It makes me sick that this is happening in my country. Thanks for nothing Tory fatcats!
Have the Estonian consul been informed?
These persons are not "homeless", they are people with serious psychiatric problems. There is a big difference between losing your home to a fire and this. This is what happens when they shut down mental institutions. Are these people really living a better life like this? Free will? What free will do you have when you're suffering from delusions? Where are they getting their food, since there is lots of packaging lying around. Eventually, one of their fires will get out of control and burn down the park and endanger first responders.
I thought the UK's socialist institution keeps this from happening? You all ARE taxed to hell and back. Or does it go, as in the US, to foreigners instead of your own citizens as their bleeding hearts want it?
We need to shut our borders...this is a dreadful thing to see, but due to slack immigration control this is happening across all cities and towns. I drove through Kilburn today which is full of Romanian immigrant's and no doubt illegals also...I really don't recognise London as I once did, and this goes for all our cities.
It looks quite cosy in there
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 You had a place to sit! And a mint! We were so poor back then, we had to stand all the time! And we didn't even have an earth to stand on. That's what I call bad.
I hope this picture and article are headline news across eastern europe.Maybe when they see how things really are they won't come.
Marvellous, isn't it, that we are still giving aid to countries who are trying to develop nuclear weapons? On a more trivial note, although part of the Greater Mancester Metroplitan County, Stockport and Manchester are still, intrinsically, totally separate entities and their names should not be interchanged as they are in this article.
Come on....middle classes do not end up living in caves!
No suprise - most people from Stockport are cavemen anyway.
These poor BRITISH people are launched onto the streets whilst immigrants come over and get benefits and a house. The UK is the backside of the world... FACT
As an Estonian I feel obligated to write that it's deeply disturbing and actually embarrassing. Estonians do not have a bad life here and that is not okay. I hate that people like that are getting media coverage, giving us a bad name for no reason (because this is obviously an article meant to stir up hate). There aren't hordes of Estonians living off benefits in the UK (I'd hope they're not homeless either). But I guess a certain percentage of people are just homeless, no matter what the nationality. I feel sorry for the man and wish there was something I could do, but please do not hate the whole nation because of one person. My idea is - if you can't support yourself and benefit the country you move to - do not go, you are not welcome there. I feel bad for the Brits, because I can only imagine how it makes you feel. I hope things work out for your country.
Sorry my sympathy went as soon as I saw they were not UK citizens.
Living in a cave is a choice.
Homelessness increases across Britain and the DM highlight one Immigrant...is there a hidden Agenda behind this ??
I AM AN ATHEIST, BUT IF THERE IS A GOD I SUSPECT HE IS SOMETHING LIKE CAMERON,,,,CAMERON HAS POWER TO DO GOOD, BUT AS HE IS OK IN HIS LITTLE HEAVEN, EVRYBODY ELSE CAN LOOK OUT FOR THEMSELVES, THEY CAN SINK OR SWIM,,,,ANOTHER THING CAMERON HAS IN COMMON WITH GOD IS I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CAMERON EITHER, AND MILLIBAND IS JUST AS USELESS....IF YOU WANT ANY CHANCE OF WINNING THE NEXT ELECTION LABOUR, DITCH THAT USELESS BOY, AND GET AN ADULT WHO CAN STAND UP TO THE TORY REGIME
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maybe the reason they are homeless is the same as why they dont clean the place up, lazy idiots.
GO HOME TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND STOP TRYING TO CON US FOR BENIFITS! YOUR NOT A HARD LUCK STORY! NO ONE ASKED YOU TO COME HERE! SO GO HOME NOW!!!!
I used to work in govt housing, the state govt closed all the long-term mental health facilities in the 90's thinking that they would be better off in supervised communities. They failed to build the supervised community housing and put them in the general population. There are now certian 'clients' who we gave housing to, other charities supplied them with furniture, white goods and food and they never walked through the front door or they burned them down. Some people, by way of mental illness or fear of people or society, they prefer to live in caves. And they actually are more stable outside of the general community. They fish, find their own water and only approach charities for clothing or staple foods. Even then they just take. They build their own communities and support networks. They exist off the grid and they seem happy that way. Why should we force them in to living within walls if it makes them miserable? Give the housing to someone who actually wants it.
No nice caves in Estonia?
They do have a home to go to... their home country.
Firstly, there are homeless departments within every local council and people who are entitled will be accommodated temporarily at least. Secondly, why do Eastern Europeans come here, I am not blaming them, not at all, I am asking why do they come? They come because the message they have heard is the UK is better than their homeland, this existence surely cannot be better so the UK government needs to change the message that immigrants hear before they come. Thirdly, why are the Police not intervening if these people are being threatened or subjected to arson, and intervene regardless of nationality I might add. Fourthly, it is a sad sad indictment of the world we live in where billionaires daughters weddings take the headline in a paper over people living in the UK in third world conditions. This government has seen fit to CON-DEM many of its own people and immigrants from others nations to a lifetime of poverty, ill health, homelessness and fear, whilst ensuring it retains vast expen
Not just caves. I worked for a rough sleepers charity and every night in our parks these poor guys are putting up tents for the night and taking them down before we see them in the morning. Don't think the problem is far from your own door. These are bright resourceful people (15% of homeless people are graduates) but single homeless men are a massively neglected group by people and state.
What did Cameron say? We are all in it together. Yea right, more rubbish.
SECOND BEST RATED COMMENT: "Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29" UNBELIEVABLE - did any of you who rated this actually read the piece? The homeless man living in the cave is an immigrant (or do you not know where Estonia is?). It's the consequence of the new policies. As a county apparently we would rather have people living like rats and starving than showing any charity based on need. Personally I think we should be better than that.
The is lots of safety nets put the easily messed up.
Call me Dave thinks its better to send one point two billion pounds to "poor countries " God bless him
Be worse when the Romanians get here, nicking all our tramps caves.
Proof that the big society is not working. Great Britain is not so great !!!
Oh how I love the support here for these homeless people now that the words Middle Class are used. Normally, DM readers couldn't give a hoot about this problem that faces many vulnerable people in our society but now, they demand the government does something about it.
I am sure the government would not mind putting them on a plan and sending home. I feel for the homeless, I do, I will give money any day, but when they choose to live in another country and have nothing, then leave-just ask for a plane ticket.
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accommodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Estonian... Go home and find a house... Or live in a cave and quit moaning!!!
And then we read about Tamara and her 12 million pound wedding..... Just says it all really,
I thought that if someone came here from Eastern Europe and could not find work after three months, they were expected to go back to their own country.
But hey, there is an unlimited amount of money available for immigrants.
I've volunteered with the homeless in the past. One thing to keep in mind is that most suffer from mental & addiction illnesses. You can set them up in government subsidized housing, group homes, shelters, treatment programs, help to get their benefits straight & most still usually wind back up on the streets. Some can't live around other people. Some don't want to beat their addiction & none of them have advocates. It's a problem I don't know how to solve.
Couldn't they at least keep their cave neat?
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter? - USA LLC SN482745A-3, Boring, United States, 12/06/2013 16:17 This are not UK citizens and has nothing to do with ELITE !! And I think so that the United States have nothing to say about this because I think that a lot of homeless freeze to death in winter and live in the sewers underground !!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language". - BrianD, York, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 17:22---------------------------------------------- Anyone can apply for shelter and food through our system. If this this Estonian is incapable due to lack of English or mentally ill - then he should be returned to his homeland. We aren't responsible for Eastern Europe's unwanted. I'm sure if a homeless Brit went over to Europe there wouldn't be a welcome party waiting
just remember everybody. we're all in this together........
What kind of children go round setting fire to sleeping bags with people in them??!!! If that's the kind of children our nation is raising, we should all be very scared!
Evidently their free time is not spent clearing up their make shift homes! Living in squalor is nothing to do with poverty and evrything to do with lazyness.
But this is only right, how can we send BILLIONS to other countries if we don't make our own people who have paid Taxes to the government go without !!!! Okay enough of the lies, now how about this for an idea, instead of giving Millions of houses away to Immigrants we give them to the British people first, How about instead of giving BILLIONS of Taxpayers money to the EU we keep it in our own country and spend it on the people who have paid it in the first place? There is only one way to get our country back and that is vote UKIP because they are the only party that puts the people of this country FIRST not last.
Why can he not clear up rubbish? No need to live in the filth.
Now there's an advertiment & welcome to all those Eastern Europeans who want to come to Britain. "COME TO BRITAIN AND WE WILL GIVE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY A CAVE TO LIVE IN"!!
Please define "forced" as in "homeless men and women are forced to live in caves". I can't see the guards at the entrance. [No I'm not being heartless. I'm talking about DM's disregard for the English language".
get back to your estonian cave..english caves for the english
The elites are doing fine! Why does anything else matter?
Now to all of you out there looking for a des res cave to take up residence in, just go down to Chislehurst caves in South East London because you will be in for a big surprise. There you will find miles & miles of caves all kitted out with bunks, hospital/clinic & a theatre complete with stage, as well as a resident ghost in a black cloak. Just at the entrance to the cave is a cafe where you can get yourselves a good feed & a lamp shop where you can pick up a paraffin lamp to light your way. As the caves fill up the heat from other homeless people warm up the caves so no need for expensive heating. Now I am not joking - these caves are left over from World War II where people took up residence to shelter from the bombs that were dropping all over London - very 1940's. Hundreds of people lived down in those caves for the duration of the war so there is probably enough accomodation down there to house the whole homeless population of London. Housing Crisis sorted!
Just you wait until mega thousands of Bulgarians/Romanians and god knows where else they're from pour into the UK next year. Meanwhile LibLabCon are demanding a 30% + payrise, more generous allowances and ring fencing £billions for overseas 'aid'. We ain't seen nothing yet....
Reduce immigration to zero, start deporting people not entitled to be here. take over empty properties by compulsory purchase.problem solved.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard? - Jenny , Manchester, 12/6/2013 17:02 Love that comment haha.
Elsewhere on this page a story regarding a luxury 1000 foot cruise liner about to be launched where cabins cost anything between £1500 and £2600 for a 12 day voyage. There is something sadly wrong with today's society and the direction in which it is heading.....
How can anyone be homeless in Britain? Can't people live in a hostel?
Its ok , they can rotten there ... We need to send more troops to Afghanistan , the more the WAR, the better for the government . No gain in helping the homeless , But alot of gain in WAR .... I hate the government
Disgusting giving millions of our money away to forgeign countries to aid their famines yet we can't look after people in our own country. The government should be ashamed. Too posh to notice what's really going on in their country in their big mansions - doesn't affect them does it.
All part of Mr Blair's vision of a multi-cultural society !
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12/6/2013 15:40 He's a human being, what are you, a lizard?
Billions for overseas aid, billions for the EU, billions to bail out the banks, billions for wind farms, billions to subsidise all of the privatised industries and utilities -- and what is there for poor and vulnerable? Cuts and contempt.
We have many of these locations in the US where the homeless have had to make do with living in tents, cardboard shelters and under bridges. I dare say there are such locations in most of our cities. We call them Obamavilles. We just can't seem to lower our unemployment rates, people are still losing their homes, many live off their credit cards. Our politicians refuse to take the steps to improve our economy. Very sad.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth. - David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 I just loved these comments, just couldn't stop laughing!
It is a shame that this is occurring, however, might one take a look at the immigration policies of the past and the inability of the enormous bureaucracy to rein in the flow of illegals that pour into England every year. Yes the government Ministers could do more to change sloppy laws however the bureaucracy don't want that as it would weaken their strength in jobs. It is time the populace woke up and realised that there is soon going to be no middle class to pay taxes. Only a rich bureaucracy still doing nothing but protecting their jobs, and these poor people who will have to rely on government handouts. Does that remind you of anything?? Try USSR, North Korea, China. And of course look at Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal. Yes folks it is time to reduce the bureaucracy and start rebuilding The GREAT in Great Britain.
Too many people and not enough homes. There weren't enough houses before the influx of the past few years. Early 2014 we are to expect another load, how many is anyone's guess. In my area, new schools are going up all over the place and existing ones are being expanded. I believe any financial benefit this recent wave of immigration has brought, is far outweighed by the cost of the infrastructure that has to be put in place for the newcomers. We are now experiencing shanty towns, people camped in woods and caves, not to mention encampments in prime parts of our capital, which were temporarily cleared for the Olympics but are back again. We are a small island we don't have an infinite amount of space, this problem is all about numbers pure and simple and our first priority should be to our own citizens and I cannot understand why people are allowed to stay here without a home or a job.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ===================================================================================== A large number of them ARE immigrants! Why are they still being allowed to pour into this country when there are very few jobs and thousands are ending up living on the streets? We need to get out of the EU now before our country collapses under the burden.
If we didnt have 4 million immigrants we'd have 4 million more jobs, and there would be no need for them to be homeless. Glad i could help
There must be hundreds of untennanted houses in the locality , they will probably need a little work but why not offer these houses to the needy rather than letting them rot and have their windows smashed . Once these people are settled they can start working to pay back towards the cost of the repairs and move forward in their lives. It is no good saying they should not be here , the fact is they are and letting people live in caves no matter what their nationally is hardly a sign of a caring first world country. Leave the politics aside for once and offer a branch of hope. I am sure most people in their position just want to get them selves fixed up and start working and living a productive life.
Simple remedy, put him on a plane back to Estonia. Vagrancy is still an offence in this country.
Even though it a cave they could still keep it clean
Well the Ecclestone divorce will be pricey too
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.- David , Surrey, 12/6/2013 16:23 A mint, you were lucky, when we were young we sucked dew of the grass!
Manchester City claim an EVEN greater fanbase ! (wink)
Ahh, so this presumably what Ian Duncan Smith meant when he said in Parliament recently that it was possible to live on £53 per week, he was referring to living in a cave or tent...silly me...I thought he was joking.....
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing.... - mick, exeter, 12.6.2013 14.40 Maybe he doesn't have money to go back to Estonia.
The government should provide basic caravans for the homeless. The advantage being tat they are cheap and that they can be moved if the person gets a job elsewhere.
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Is it true that the British people still give an allowance to the Queen ? Is she not the wealthiest woman in the world?
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses - Edoardo, Milan, 12/6/2013 16:03-------------Apart from the fact England didn't actually exist back then, you'll find that ancient Britons actually lived in huts. We then went on to build the largest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen and are responsible for much of the technology the world enjoys today, including railways and the jet engines. The descendants of the Romans became the worlds biggest cowards.
Put ALL MP's on minimum wage...........watch how fast thing change then.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals. - DisgustedHighgate , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 16:08 - I have a wheelie bin.. these people don't...
Estonian....
I wait to learn that women and children have followed them into the caves.
AND WE STILL HAVE NEXT YEAR TO LOOK FORWARD TO !!!
Time he returns to his own land.
- Adey , Batley, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:51---------------- No Adey, population growth doesn't need controlling - IMMIGRATION growth needs to be stopped......full stop.
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag. - honi soit que mal y pense, Avalon, 12/06/2013 15:18 Paper bag! We used to dream of paper bags. We were that poor that father used to suck on a mint and we would sit round him for warmth.
Well done Labour - now let us allow more in and build homes on green belt to accommodate them. When those homes are full, lets build even more on the green belt and boost the economy.... This cycle can continue indefinitely, of course. Meanwhile, fill the caves up!!!
You should look up (houses that have been repossessed) In n.ireland it is about 40 pages with 6 houses per page . The British mainland is scary. How many people really care about the homeless ? Not a lot . Salvation army are fantastic for meals etc but there are not a lot of beds available.Saw Phil Spencer (location location) on tv one night. He works with the homeless and asked all of us to check if there was a vacant room eg above a shop. He found dozens , Some were renovated (not palatial) but dry with a bed etc .Many people were so grateful. In this recession many are living on the breadline , some in poverty. Many British born and bred. Alc ohol and drugs are sometimes what people turn to because of hopelessness. I t was reported than because of cancer treatment one lady lost her home + her job . she was sleeping on the settee in different friend,s homes.It is so sad . over here have found some vacant rooms above shops but some shop owners are scared. Others have been great .
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
Has anybody read this article ? he's from Estonia, there's plenty of British in the same boat who should be catered for 1st.
This is thanks to Gordon Brown who created the benefit culture and squandered all of the country's resources. Having said that this coalition government can't really say they've done anything to tackle the problem except make it almost impossible for these people to get back on their feet..... That's Britain for you folks.....
While the Ecclestones indulge their shameless taste in a vulgar excessive wedding the poor live in misery..... have the rich no conscience? Just think what twelve million would have done to help the poor, a shameless society created by corporations and bankers dividing decent people into haves and have nots...lets hope the wroth of God will descend soon and rid the world of this greedy self centred ethos that worships the idols of material success!
You should look at Lincoln and many other cities , these people need help , there is always an underlying problem that makes them end up like this , In Lincoln we have a fair few RAF Bases were there are hundreds of rooms from the squadies not used why cant the goverment use them to help the situation , Also how can Tamara Eccleston spend 12 million on a wedding thats disgusting just imagine what good 12million pounds would do
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.- george72 , poole, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 15:59--------- Id rather live in the cave thanx!
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground. - Stimpy, Here n now, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 16:14 A HOLE IN THE GROUND! You were spoilt, we lived in a paper bag.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick. - Liz, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:27 I call that realistic, not racist. Too many people are all too willing to throw out the race card nowadays.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
You joined the benefit bashing DM readers, here is the net result. Turn the working class against each other and the middle classes against the working classes whilst the rich get on with getting more and more and more. Good plan, eh. S u c k e r s.
Ever since the sixies and probably before,there always has been a problem with housing in this country! You just cannot move to another country & expect to be housed..there just isn't enough to go round for our own people. Most people have had to work hard for years,before they can buy a house... i do not see why we should be expected to house everyone,who just comes here,mostly for handouts!!! Lets put our elderly & sick first and look after them...What country could you just move to,,have money & be housed?...NONE!.
Thanks to those who voted Labour, this is the legacy we've been left with and are still trying to correct all these years after their unsustainable boom. All those home 'owners' who made a packet obviously have no objections.
comment from iain duncan smith, PLEASE !!
- James Mitchell, Ringwood, 12/6/2013 15:21 You are spot on with your comments. It is a very insecure world we live in today. Even high earners are not immune though as their lives can change in a matter of 6 months if they lose their lucrative jobs and f
A cave? Luxury! When we were young we used to dream of living in a cave, all we had was a hole in the ground.
What is the point of building more homes for these people when there are no jobs. Just another strain on the ordinary workers. Anyone who thinks strongly about it should dip their hand in their pocket and get a house built for them! The upper crust certainly bother about the ones at the bottom!
With the surge of new homes going up like 2,500 in Barwell, Leicestershire and 4,200 by the M1/M69 Junction then surely there is no reason for homelessness?, or are our masters in the EU telling us who should have them?. Charity begins at home.
This is what is left of the British Empire..
Let the EU sort it out, its no fault of the British that they are here.
As regards the Estonian man well no one asked him to come here and he is not our problem.The Estonian authorities would not house a British person so why should we house them.Who we should be looking after are the many homeless ex-servicemen living on the streets who seem to get no help at all while at the same time we house immigrants.
And someone just blew £12 million on a wedding? Somehow I think we have lost our sense of priorities.
there is is going to be a massive outbreak of TB and other epidemics,this is why the health bills in the 1960s were brought in,sanitation,medication,mass chest x rays,accommodation for famlies with little money,ie council houses.illness knows no boundaries.Cameron needs to be aware of these people or illness and social problems will cost us dear.
Why do these people litter so much and live in filth? Can't they just clean up around them. Disgusting animals.
Incentive to work harder/try harder to find work. Should be more of it Dave
Jesus Christ
I grew up close to these caves and over the years with different governments and fluctuating world economy, they have been "occupied" by a variety of tenants. What amazed me was how a supposed Estonian would even be able to find the caves as they are hidden from sight down a cliff. People will always fall through the net regardless of how well you cast it
PLEASE READ THE MSG FROM "THE ENGLISH PATIENT" - -and ask yourselves why he gets no help - -and anjem choudray - -is shown as getting £25k a year - for contributing NOTHING.
Thanks to everyone who voted Tory. You know who you are... you're the ones red arrowing this comment!
Well people in England lived in caves anyways before the romans told them how to build roads and houses
sorry Meant to say homeless was not endemic under Maggie, stop blaming her for everything or did the last labour government never happen !!!!!
Where ever a person lives they can still put the rubbish in a bin. They don't have to sit amongst it.
It's disgraceful that as a society we allow people to fall so far from grace that they become homeless.
More than half of these unfortunates would be in a sanitorium if Thatcher hadn't closed them.
capitalism will only bring us communism and fascism, we need a socially democratic democracy, clean out the corruption, with governments of the people for the people.
"Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently. - ACR , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 No they are not! What is needed is to stop an annual total of immigrants arriving equal to a very large town (250,000pa) and send those back that don't deserve to be here. This would then free plenty of houses as well as doctors and nurses etc.No need to turn England into a concrete jungle!
This situation will be even worse by this time next year. They will be fighting each other to live in caves, regardless of whether they are immigrants or UK born homeless. We are well on our way to becoming a third world country - like the ones the Government keeps paying our money to. Charity begins at home ALL of you politicians. WE NEED THE MONEY SPENT HERE.
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
How building thousands of new homes solve the problem as a lot of these people had homes before they became homeless so it means you would have to give them a home as a free gift ?
And the latest unemployment figures say that unemployment is coming down. Pray tell what happened to the two million disability claimants deemed fit to work. Have they disappeared into thin air? Next to nothing that comes from any government of any colour in this country is worth the paper it is written on - all smoke and mirrors. On the TV this morning no one asked what happened to those two million former disability claimants. If you are sane, it's like being in a nuthouse.
Too many people with too few opportunities population control is required now.
This is not proof of the inequalities of the benefits system, nor is it evidence of some skilled highly educated worker who has suffered set backs. This is an Estonian gent who though entitled to be here as a European is here because he can be. Is it really that much better than his own country well yes! the benefits he gets here far outweigh those he would get in his home country. Homelessness was endemic under Maggie and neither did Labour re house them all there are many ex soldiers living in similar circumstances throughout the recent labour government. Well said Berkshires finest & hendonman
We have homeless, 95 % are substance abuse users and mentally ill. The substance abuse users refuse to stay in charitable accommodations (there are many) and the mentally ill refuse to take medications or seek psychiatric care, under the law you can't make them. There is no facility for them, and families have pretty much given up, you can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.
Expect more homelessness next year when more EU citizens come here with no job and no place to live. Where are the authorites going to put all these people, many families with children. Let them camp out in Dowing Street because our PM made no attempt to stop this open border madness.
This is why I never go to the north.
Some comments on here are disgusting. You don't know individuals circumstances or if there British or not (incidentally UK born or not they happen to be HUMAN BEINGS). I nearly found myself homeless after going on to statuary sick pay after being diagnosed with cancer. My landlord decided to sell the property and I could find no where that would rent to me whilst being on SSP without a guarantor - to which I did not have. Fortunately for me the council gave me discretionary temp housing but only after my GP, a social worker, a support worker and a local charity wore them down. All this whilst lying in a hospital bed wondering which to worry about the most homelessness or cancer. It did bring me into contact with lots of other homeless people through the charity that helped me and I have to say its a world I really never knew existed - or how truly difficult it can be for people from all walks of life to gain housing. I felt like i'd been wandering through life blind.
I hope those greedy bankers are reading this. Look what you have done!
If the country doesn't have enough homes for the population how can all the incomers expect to be housed? It astounds me that the blinkered, heads in the sand (or elsewhere), politicians of all parties are quite content to see and allow it to happen. The same politicians who are quite content to see billions of pounds being gobbled up by the EU while presiding over food banks and unemployment on a massive scale. I still wait to be told which politicians are affected by the austerity measures and who among their number have cut back on their taxpayer funded expenses? Dreams, dreams!
Result of an uncaring and godless political society.
the why doesn't he go back to estonia...we owe him nothing....
Why are people allowed in to the country without jobs to go to? You should have a job and a certain amount already in the bank to be let in. Why am I asking? It's the EU's fault.
If they are homeless here then they should go HOME! And contrary to what the home-grown version would have you believe there are jobs out there if you get off your backside and look. The trouble is that the vast majority would rather claim benefits and they are supported by a huge infrastructure of carers and counsellors who have a vested interest in keeping Britain well and truly broken.
Why are you all feeling sorry for the homeless all of a sudden.. Just yesterday you were all against a women on benefits, you were all moaning how she shouldn't be on benefits.. What do you want to do just kill her off. And now we have a story about homeless and you feel sorry for them, but no doubt if they were on benefits you would be telling them to get a job. You people make no sense, are you all that inept and stupid to think someone on benefits lives a happy life? do you think they have a house in spain etc. Get real and OPEN your eyes.
This is disgusting in this day and age wake up Briton.If government built hotels to house homeless people in rooms like the late rooms hotels there would. E a decrease in homelessness. The rooms have a bed, toilet shower cubicle and sink. The benefit would cover cost of housing and could also provide food. Until housed elsewhere. It's more cost effective I'm long run. Hotels like these could house 100 s and the be edit would cover cost.
Go back home, fool...!
The Estonian man should go home, nobody asked him to come here.
Just go home mate and take all the benifit scroungers with you!! I'm tired of hearing these stories, what about the man or woman who works 45 hours a week and pays NI and Tax and people who have children and work hard to bring up their families, please give them some credit and start rewarding the positives!!! I cant feel sorry for these people its about choices!!
I have no objection to anyone coming to the UK PROVIDED THEY HAVE A JOB TO GO TO. We can't just swan off to Australia to live - the government doesn't allow it. As to living in caves, well the people of Stockport and Manchester were quite happy to spend large periods of their lives in them during the war as they were used and enlarged to make public air raid shelters, and throughout the history of Stockport the locals have been digging the back wall of their houses out and into the natural cliffs to make extra rooms and storage.
Homelessness has gone up significantly in London. Homelessness could happen to anybody. More council homes, social and affordable homes are needed urgently.
show this on the front pages big and loud, show the world what we have come to in the UK. Well done, tories, looking after your foreign companies,allowing them to avoid millions, giving 5% tax rebates to their executives and people at their most vulnerable are reduced to living in caves. Tell you what, there is a big council house at the end of the Mall with several empty rooms, I have an idea..................
if you just glanced at those pictures you would not have thought that it was in the U.K. A real shame
That is a sad sight but is it possible the clue is in ' the increasing number of East European migrants'? If theres more competition for low cost housing then yes, people people who lose their livelihoods and need it, have more chance of ending on the streets. But the charity bloke doesn't point out that immigration is putting more pressure on the housing stock as more and more people pile into the country, because that would not be on message and what he's after is more money by shaming the government. But are we really supposed to have houses ready for everyone who comes to the UK?
so long as we can increase our foreign aid, all is well
and we still give billions away to countries who have million/billion dollar nanotech labs, weapons reasearh facilities and space programs....
They are better off there than in a Salford terraced house squat.
In the past week the DM has shown us Romanians living in rubbish on our city streets now this. We are swamped with immigrants coming here with no homes or jobs to go to. Its no good for them or us. When is the government going to stop this mass immigration, stand up to the EU and tell them Britain is overflowing. Do they intend to wait until every street , shop doorway and underpass has its own immigrant community living on it in sleepingbags and boxes. We cant go much further.
First lower benefits for the unemployed , introduce a bedroom tax causing debt leading to homelessness ,then and this is the crafty bit,.. encourage the mindless to blame immigrants.
it's because we're to busy banging the rest of the world too rights
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own. - john back , london, 12/6/2013 14:22 -------------------------- This government doesn't give aid to anyone anywhere for nothing and neither did the previous government. It is allocated because for the advantages they will get from it. For example, as a means of securing mineral rights in Africa before China gets its hands on a greater share of them.
Homelessness should not be happening in this day and age, and it's a national disgrace that it is. It shows it can happen to anyone, except or course, to talentless, vacuous celebrities who get paid millions for doing diddly squat, yet moan about the pressures of fame, and big, billion pound corporations who get away with paying very little or not tax. But according to Cameron 'we're all in this together.'
The Parish Workhouse was a good idea. You had to say who you were, you got warm, you got fed, you even got free medicine. And you got plenty of work to do. Vagrants were arrested, and imprisoned or sent to the workhouse, depending on their circumstances. Who says Britain has improved?
there are many reasons people find themselves on the street, however a vast number of these are drug and alcohol related, often leading to mental health issues, there are plenty of homeless hostels, but many living there find obeying the rules a problem and would rather live on the street so they can continue to abuse.
mart25 - true - problem is that it started with our own govt not caring anything about us or our taxes - -just giving it away to any country and anyone who walked in here - even those who want to blow us up - THATS WHY NOBODY CARES.
Even if your not homeless, most new employment is either part time, zero hours contracts or freelance without holiday and sick pay. For those who haven't lost their jobs or homes, their pay is stagnant or, with inflation, falling. Taxes have gone up, rents have gone up, food prices have gone up and energy bills have risen. Poverty has increased to a point where thousands are having to use food banks. Meanwhile, the ones who control our newspapers and political parties, i.e the rich elite bankers, owners of corporations, financiers, investment managers, wealthy land owners are getting tax cuts and getting richer and richer.
We are moving forward into the past...keep voting for them people, its keeps THEM off the bread line.
Why dosent the estonian go back to estonia
Sorry but if they are immigrants not interested, no-one forced them to come here, go home!
Homelessness was endemic under Maggie Thatcher!! Then Labour re-housed them all, and now the Tories are repeating it all over again!! The nasty party plan is right on schedule!! The rich get a tax cut ... the poor become homeless ... and huge corporations get their taxes written off!!!
What a cheek, they not only take our houses they are even taking our caves!!! Send this useless prat back to his own country. If you cannot speak English, find work and then accommodation and feed yourself, then you have no place in this country - full stop.
Most of the social housing was flogged of in the 1980s for a few short term gains. Now we have a long term problem and no-one wants to tackle it.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good, KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28....................A good suggestion, and why not have some skilled trades people, even retired ones who want to do something useful with their time, to show some of the unemployed how to do some of the work and pass on some skills. Despite some of the past comments on here about the unemployed being feckless wasters, there are many of them who would jump at the chance of some hands on tuition to put them on the first step to a skilled trade. How do I know this? Because some of us don't sit on here moaning about the unemployment situation, we get off our backsides and try to do something about it, as the government are next to useless when it comes to retraining our own people.
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Listen if i had my way the rules will be, if you don't hold a British passport then you're not entitled to anything! If you came here to work and can no longer find work or provide a roof over your head then go back HOME! let your government look after you! This country is over filled, British homes for British people!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller". - ENGLISH1ST , EXETER, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:47................. Spelt or spelled is like I have just typed, and not 'spent'. Thanks because I did enjoy the irony.
What the hell is the situation going to be like when Half of Rumania and Bulgaria arrive here MR Cameron stop playing at politics get on and DO SOMETHING NOW BEFORE THE PROBLEMS HERE ARE SUCH THAT IT IS UNSOLVABLE STOP IMMIGRATION NOW
go back to estonia if you dont like it, im sure the benefit system there will have a mansion waiting for you
To a certain degree I agree with Crumbdinger , London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:45, some people no matter what, will choose to live this way. However, if we stopped paying the professional benefit scroungers vast sums of money to sit on their backsides watching their huge 3D HD TV's then maybe there would be funds available to help those in desperate need. What else would help are tougher laws for all the illegal immigrants that are languishing in the lap of luxury either in centres or homes paid for by taxpayers. Once found illegals should be deported immediately, much cheaper, and less burden on our overloaded benefit system. Maybe this Tory government will bring in some much needed reforms, or then again maybe they will just bury their heads in the sand and hope the problems all go away.
Or, go back to the country you came from.
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - Norfolk n good , KINGS LYNN, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:28 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sorry, no more room at the Inn!!!
With an increasing unemployment rate, benefit and welfare cuts, this will be the reality of many people. When the people have nothing to lose, the only outcome will be violence.
What is 'squalid' about an 'existence in the wilderness'? We all loved like it once upon a time, and it certainly didn't do us any harm!
This is proof of how the benefits system is heartless towards childless people but pampers those with kids. Look at the benefitter woman who gets £2,600 per month and there was the other one who has a horse in stables, buys flying lessons at £155 per hour and has loads of designer clothes. Childless people do not have any right to a roof over their head, the so-called "Human Rights" laws are bogus because they don't give rights to all people as human beings, they just give rights to the favoured groups and the childless person is discriminated against - and it is legal!.
The 'success' that is the EU!!!!!!!
what do you expect when the unemployed can have their JSA suspended for weeks or months at a time on the whim of a desk-jockey?
Even if these sad people have to resort to living in a cave, there is no reason why they couldn't keep the area free of rubbish. There seems to be no shortage of plastic bags so why not keep valuables (?) or clothes in one or two of them and dispose of their rubbish in the rest. I doubt they would keep an apartment or house, if they were given one, clean.
William, Denton, United Kingdom, What do you do for a job that you are so confident that this will never happen to you! Your attitude is unbelievable ! There are people who are skilled for work but are being kept out of work - I have two top class degree from a time when these really were a marker of intelligence. I have worked for some of the most prestigious firms doing commercial work. I needed to stop the type of work I did which involved global travel and 70 hour weeks due to ill health. I want a less stressful council job but the local council within fifty miles ringfence all jobs for their own. They prefer to promote those with much weaker qualification and backgrounds rather than opening the vacancy to others. If I knew then what I know now I would have joined the public sector as a graduate - much easier life and overall the pay at least on a per hour basis is higher!
Can't stop immigration. Immigrants are the only source of income the Exchequer has left. How much is a slave registered with the World Bank worth nowadays?
DREADFUL ......problem is NOBODY really honestly cares anymore in this Country ....
Of course the relentless tide of immigration started by labour and largely continued by the present team has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Well city centre house prices have not increased. . These vulnerable people need shelter and there are plenty of empty flats in the centre.
People want to cut social security, yet hate seeing people homeless. Perhaps it's better if we increase social security spending, and tax the rich who squirrel their money overseas. Of course, you'd never get such a solution by voting Tory or UKIP. Just a thought...
During these critical times the Govt should seriously consider allowing a group of homeless men/women to get together and be given housing benefit to share one house. NOT ALL homeless are drunks or drug addicts - and incidently this needy group can go to sheltered accommodation and can get help if they seek it. The other half of homeless got there due to redundancies and unemployment and just need help to get their confidence and self respect back. I suggest that if these people have a track record of having worked up and until the critical point of being on the street, that they should be given this advantage. Unfortunately those who have never worked in the UK should not be included.
Whoever believes this is NUTS
How would he go on with a council house when he can't even keep his cave tidy
And still we let everyone in this country it makes me sick,
How did we manage to house so many immigrants including illegals when we already had so many of our own people homeless?
Please remember dear readers that this can now happen to you too. I became unemployed in January last year for the first time since leaving school in 1979. As a result, I could no longer maintain my mortgage repayments and was evicted in July of that year. My local council said that as a single man my only recourse was a hostel; a truly terrifying prospect for a 50 year old. I refused this and was told that I had therefore made myself intentionally homeless and that they had no legal obligation to house me. I spent 3 days sleeping rough in the grounds of a church just down the road from my repossessed home. I am slowly getting my life back together thanks to the kindness of my elderly neighbours putting a roof over my head. It does gall me to think those 33 years of working and paying taxes amount to nothing when you are in genuine need. I now know why there are an abundance of single mothers; the more babies you have, the more undeserved benefits you receive.
Simple solution send them all back home. They must have had a bed to sleep in over there. Anything is better than living of the streets......
William, Denton I cannot believe your comments that we should emulate America. The USA has 40 million receiving free food stamps, 10 million on disability out of a total population of 316 million. We also have over 2,250,000 people in prison who contribute nothing to society. You want to emulate this? This is a good role model. I don't think so!
Legacy of ' the streets are paved with gold'
So much money sent to other countries. Does not charity begin at home .
Nevertheless, it's a big step up from Estonia, where only the better off have caves and the remainder of the population sleep in the open, so more power to them for trying to better themselves by entering our wealthy country.
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.- Sandy Brown, London, 12/6/2013 11:35.......no, they will end up taxpayer funded housing benefit. EU law.
I have a friend who has disabilities but no children. She is too ill to work full time, but the government has decreed she is well and stopped any benefits. She is expected to live on just £70 a week without any kind of extras, such as housing benefit or reduced council tax. This is a woman who worked for over twenty years, faithfully paying her taxes, before she suffered from head injuries in a car crash. Only yesterday we had a single mother complaining that £2000 per month wasnt enough for her to live on. Perhaps if the state limited payouts to discourage breeding on benefits, there would be enough left in the state kitty to help those in genuine need through no fault of their own.
I like what he,s done with the place ,the green walls give it a very outdoorsy feeling ,air conditioning looks good and the just got out of bed after a party decor is really now ,,good effort and certainly will become a fashion icon over the next 20 years as more people belch at conventional,living ,,I can't,wait to see a bus stop when it's full potential is realised
My son is not permitted to bring his Mexican wife here until he earns above £18,000 a year, & they have had to live and work abroad, yet anyone from Europe can doss here on benefits with no job and no home. The situation is ridiculous.
Wonder where they have put their 42" plasma?
Disgusting in this day and age! What the hell is happening to this country we have got our priorities all wrong and don't mock these people because YOU COULD BE NEXT!
If Eastern Europeans are living in caves for a sympathy vote from the Uk they shouldn't get it. i suggest they go back from whence they came and stop wanting to live off the tax payers of the UK. The ONLY people we should be rehousing are UK citizens who through no fault of their own, have lost their home.
Another compelling reason to abolish Overseas Aid and use the money saved to eliminate problems such as this at home and at the same time restrict immigration fro the EU.
Whats wrong with caves?
watch the government don't hit you with moss tax my friend
P.S. to my earlier comment on the "caves". If I am correct It was possible to get from the "caves" to the air raid shelters that were dug out of the sandstone rock on the other side of the road. (Brinksway Road). i know this because my children used to play in them....Many is the time i have gone their with a torch to guide them back out. Now the council l have DOUBLE bricked the entrance to them 'cause of, yeah, you guessed it. The dreaded health and safety crap. Have fun.....
Those who refuse work? I have not even been offered any! Is it because I am 52 years of age? I am multi-skilled. All I can think of is it is down to ageism.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits. - William, Denton, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:13 What a foolish comment, from someone who has no idea how easy it is to end up homeless these days. How do you know whether these people have ever paid tax or not? There but for the grace of God, I hope you never find yourself in that position.
The man in the cave is described as Eastern European. This situation will only get worse as long as more and more immigrants continue to flock here. This is where the problem lies. The government is not doing anything to stop this appalling situation. Why should this country be obliged to house immigrants when there are already many British people who are homeless. If thousands of new affordable homes are built, where will they be built and who will live in them ? Not immigrants who come here expecting a place to live and benefits, I hope. We cannot go on and on building new houses, thus taking away our green spaces and countryside, every time the homeless rate rises, as it will never end as long as this immigration fiasco continues.
It may be acceptable for UK citizens,but Romanians will not accept this under any circumstances.
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?- Yvonne , West Midlands, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 14:33 - Answer - Because that would be too sensible for our Politicians!
Squalor is spent like I have just typed, and not "squaller".
If anyone¿s confused on whose fault it is that these people live in a cave, I¿ll clear this up for you¿.It¿s their own??. Why is it the governments problem, tory or labour, that these people got themselves into this mess. Why is it the governments problem to get them out of it?? It¿s got nothing to do with the government failing these people, It¿s this attitude that the world owes you something, believe me the world owes you nothing, you are responsible for your own actions, If I lose my job, and for some crazy reason I can¿t get another, If I lose my house by some idiot decision I made, If I lose everything in my life and have to live in a cave¿all of this WOULD BE MY OWN FAULT. If people in Britain started taking more responsibility for themselves instead of blaming everyone else and living off hand outs we¿d not be in such a mess.
If these people were middle class, why did they not save for a rainy day?
Vote ukip at every opportunity for the sake of your family
oh well, as long we're still handing tax monies and housing to people who have contributed nothing and shouldn't be here then this is Ok.
Reading the comments on here actually make me feel a little bit sick. What happened to compassion for fellow human beings? For each of you that has made some sort of comment excusing the government for allowing this situation to happen or have have actually gleefully clapped your grubby little hands I sincerely hope and pray that you have some sort of epiphany and realise the poison that you are spreading! I'd love to say I hope the same happens to you... That say for example your partner dies, there are debts, you sink into depression loose your job and then house and then shiny possessions. I'd like to say that I hope that you are disowned by all you know and love as they find its easier to ignore peoples issues if you cant see them and that one day you are the one waking up in a shop doorway, or in a cave... I'd like to say that I wished that would happen to you, but I won't because I actually have a heart... I care... I won't just turn away from those in need. You disgust me.
Aren¿t the Tories great! Get this evil nasty Govt out now!
I feel sorry for many of those affected , living like that , but of course some of them only want help to buy booze or drugs. No doubt none of them are currently working, but what does it tell you when many of them can't be bothered to clear their own rubbish up.
Can everybody just stop voting Tory/Labout/Liberal. It's these political parties that together have caused the problem but everyone stil goes out & votes for them. Whats wrong with you all. Remember the 80's when everyone voted Thatcher in 3 times over - she sold off our social housing, created the culture of greed we have in the UK today, destroyed our industry, manufacuring & put millions out of work creating mass unemployment. Then along came Blair, who reversed none of her policies & allowed millions of immigrants to come into the UK fuelling homelessness/joblessness/pressure on our health & education services etc & what did everyone do voted him in again and again - 3 times over. The British people have it within their power to put a stop to the crazy merry-go-round of Tory/Labour/Liberal & their crazy policies that are destroying the Britain our forebears fought so hard to save during WW1/WW2 but you have all got to stop voting Tory/Labour/Liberal. Have you all got that now!
Don't let us follow America. It is bad enough that they have butchered our language, without having to follow them in non-empathy for their fellow man. There are good things that have come out of the USA, but not guns, greed and selfishness. That is my opinion.
people living in caves goes back to prehistoric times hence cave paintings!!!!!
Why have them living in caves? They should give them a ticket back to whence they came so they can tell others not to bother coming here.
No-one should have to live in a cave in modern day Britain but then is there any real need to live surrounded by the rubbish? I can never understand why anyone chooses to live with this amount of mess. It could all be simply scooped up and deposited in a bin or a skip. The bedding could be stowed until needed. If a cave is your home you could at least make it as pleasant as possible!
It Italy after WWII, destitute Italians lived in caves. They suffered horrendous health problems and some never saw daylight. Life in the caves was brutal, nasty, and short. This was known and sanctioned by local authorities then. I see things haven't changed much!
Homelessness should not happen in any case, but it's worse that people should be homeless in this day and age, especially when we live in an era where technology is advancing at an exponential rate, and when considering the UK is the worlds 6th biggest economy. Unfortunately it is happening because our Prime Minister does not give a hoot about the plight of ordinary people in the UK, might I add those same people voted him in, instead of helping his own people, the PM would rather give billions in foreign aid, and the EU, which we're not gaining anything from, in fact we're being bled dry. Instead of billions being turned over to foreign aid, the useless EU, it should be invested in regenerating empty housing estates, that way everyone will have a home and jobs will be created, in the meantime why not give the homeless static caravans to live in, as long as they're looked after, they're nice to stay in, I know, as I stayed in one, when on holiday in 1994.
Well done Westminster. you've all failed. If there was any accountability left in this country you'd all be out of a job.
"Let's cut benefits for those who refuse work" - David Cameron, 2010. Be careful who you vote for...
But we have room for thousands of immigrants???
These people not from UK need to go back home !!.. Its not our job to feed and house them. We get zero assistance abroad, infact ripped off and robbed is the norm for the British. Speak English and the price of everything shoots up !! We have a housing Crisis and We need to Build affordable low rent homes that accomodate single people. To be single and eat/ pay bills etc is now a massive struggle. Families always get help and Priority from the Benefits system. Lots of single people who need help also to be productive again. All those newcomers here who are jobless need to leave !!. You have no right to be here living off us. Go Back to your own country.
We should all do this but watch out if your heating your cave because the government will probably slap us in the face with moss tax or something
Anyone need a guide (free) to the said "caves" ? People who lived the Cheadle Heath areal know the "caves" were used as extra storage area for the 2 up 2 down (in a lot of cases 1up 1 down) houses built on top of them that were built in the 1790's,1800's , till the start of the clearance program very 60's. Stockport history museum in the market is a mine field of info. Have fun searching... I do
Have they not got there own caves
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth. - Martine, London, 12/6/2013 14:05 youre right - many of them are just thieves
Then WHY do we allow thousands to come into this country every year when the people already here are struggling because of the difficult situation New labour left us in? Millions here already have NO jobs, rely on Taxpayers to house and support their families so WHY does the Government keep allowing this when it would be better to drastically cut the numbers until there are MORE jobs?
This is what our politicians have done to our country. I wonder if they're proud?
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
-----------We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrin
Buy to let culture is creating a new wave of homeless people. They would even let these caves if they could.
British caves are for British people.
So migrants get all the > Homes and Benefits whilst our > People sleep in CAVES or on the Streets.You must be Proud Cameron?
LOADS OF EX M.O.D HOMES ARE EMPTY AT FORMER AIR BASES DECAYING AND ROTTING AWAY . WHY NOT STIMULATE THE BUILDING INDUSTRY AND REVAMP THESE HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN THEM ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE
Solution: take unused buildings, heat them, fill them with camp beds and basic kitchens and let the homeless stay there. There is no excuse for a country who can give fit, healthy people with 8 kids who are unemployed £500 a week, and not provide some basic shelter for the homeless. disgusting
It's all very well saying "go back to Estonia" but has he got the air fare?
He shouldn't even be here, we must be the only country in the world that lets foreigners in who cannot afford to support themselves. I wish we would kick Abu Hamza's family out of their luxury benefits £1million house and use the money to help British people. What kind of country does not look after their own people first?
these kinds of pictures should be used in dissuading foreigners from seeking their futures here...
And yet the DM is pushing to create more homeless with it's never ending assault on welfare...
This about the wool having been pulled over peoples eyes. Middle class professionals suchvas doctors, dentists, lawyers etc will never be left without an income stream. They will never be destitute. People who were conned into believing they were 'middle class' but do not fall into the true professional category are the ones who will come unstuck. Years of free and easy credit helped to fool these people into believing the were "affluent professionals". They weren't. The house, the car, the pension, the career - it was all just Labour smoke and mirrors. The doctors, dentists and lawyers are still living their middle class existence. If you're not, it's because you never really escaped the working class station in life you were allotted!
Disgusting! There's no help for them at all, homelessness is such a vicious cycle which you may never overcome! This country makes me sick, they despise us all!
Just fills me with sadness to see people living like this and STILL the immigration is out of control. How do other countries control people flooding their borders? We just seem to sit and let even more come in and the people that are living here are reduced to these conditions? UKIP I hope you are going to do something if you get in.
When there is homelessness like this in a country that is chucking money at career breeders, there is something radically wrong. Either you have to stop anyone entering England until those cave people have been taken care of or you sterilzie the career breeders on the welfare system. In the end, this sort of thing will bring the country to its knees. I can't understand the right of Europeans in the union to go anywhere in Europe and squat on the good will of the working Joe in another country.
No Human should live life like this, it's making of our politician round the world.
cameron`s so called AID is nothing more than the financial interest on loans which have been given to tin pot dictators around the world. it has NOTHING to do with feeding anybody. cameron`s family are bankers, he is only looking after his own.
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control. - Craig, sheffield, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 11:53 ---------------- That's right, why not try to turn that cold, dark, wet environment into a proper little home. Cultivate a slug farm for protein and learn to 'cook' using moss. Then you're not going to mind being in the cold, dark grave you'll soon end up in.
There were people in these caves in the 1970's.
No job, no home. Times are hard and the only way we will recover is cutting higher rate taxes, withdrawing all benefits, and ensuring only those who work have the vote (or better only the rich should vote). As for these people, can not the police be brought in to move them out of the way, out of the caves? It is unsightly for those who might be walking in the area.
Why dosnt the man from Estonia go to his Embassy to ask for help...... cos he knows they dont give a figg,so why should we
They should be given council accomodation and given a chance to get back on track... but ofcourse OUR council houses are reserved for people drifting over on bits of wood.
Bring back the workhouse.
and while this is happening here, the government is still sending billions of pounds abroad. Sort out our own problems first, then try and fix everyone else's .
'Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.' What happen to the practice of saving for a rainy day, which many of us were taught or is the ethos today 'The tax payer will provide - I can therefore spend every penny I can get my hands on and more if I want to';
Maybe they should bring in more immigrants to fix the economy. I know, that's a ridiculous comment, but that's what the US government is trying to do.
Rather than telling the Romanians that it rains a lot over here in an attempt to stop them coming (?!), try putting up posters showing this. We will not automatically house you and give you benefits, you should only come if you have a job, health insurance and the will to fit in, otherwise stay where you are.
We need to nuke all of these countries - problem then solved for both they and us!
Maybe the government will 'cave' in and do something about it!
wow there are a lot of charitable souls commenting here. Firstly, those bags are mostly empty carrier bags, so to be sarcastic and say the poor chap has been to the sales???? Also...why is it someone's fault if they have a mental illness? this man is foreign so cant be given a home? Give him his travel fare back home then.None of you know this mans circumstances yet sit here judging him and making assumptions!! There are thousands of empty properties people like this man could live in but landlords greed stop them doing so. People would rather let a house fall into ruin and be knocked down before they let a homeless person have it.
YabbadabbaDooooo
Everyone here is saying 'the government should help' 'our country is too wealthy for this to happen', yet the majority of people here whinge about people on benefits and people needing that extra help to get back on their feet. So how can you whinge about a welfare and benefit system yet also whinge that more should be done for these people? You can't have it both ways.
The human race are vile specimens , the animal kingdom have more grace in taking care of their own.....Disgusting that people have to live like this, shame on those with an education to know better...Maybe if we educated hearts in the universities we might have a more human society....I would never hold my breath, because i learned a long time ago that people were the pits...
Gutless leadership, Monopoly money, run by the EU, pathetic truly pathetic.
Nobody has a right to a home. The Conservative party is to be applauded for saving taxpayers' money by withdrawing benefits from those who refuse work. All support given to the homeless must be in return for them moving into work as quickly as possible; a refusal of work must mean immediate withdrawal of all benefits and support. And on a side note it is good to see the government is doing as much as it can to bring to the UK the socio-economic conditions experienced by the Americans. The USA is a proud model for us in the UK to emulate. Hopefully we will see more people moved off of a lifestyle on benefits.
Where has all the compassion gone?These poor, poor souls are living in h3ll and you lot think its their own making .Perhaps a few but not all this is because of cut backs to benefits there are thousands choosing prison for a warm bed and food. You lot are ssso callous its frightening .One day this could be you.
This is NOT a normal downturn. Recessions run in cycles - up and down - but this is a structural one. Make no mistake, we're in trouble. More bad stuff to follow.
Maybe they should stay in their own countries
Is there any reason why the caves can't be clean and tidy or did the photographer just mess them up a bit?
They should go to dosser Park Lane London for some care and attention from the welcoming council down there.
Never mind the government, what happens to all the millions that are given to children in need and comic relief every year!
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
Men have lived on the streets for years, many would not thank you for a different style of life. They cannot deal with modern society so should we force them to live like us. We go all over the world expecting people to live a western lifestyle and when they don't we criticise them.
This island was made to appear like the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow with charitable organizations and councils and government handing out money ,advice and homes ,well now the golden goose has been killed cooked and eaten and people will have to fight to keep what is theirs for their existence .Welcome to New Britain
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS - CraigyFunhouse, London, United Kingdom, 12/6/2013 13:53 What narrow minded ignorance. Those that are homeless are not all substance/alcohol abuse users. Educate yourself, before you open your mouth and spew forth.
screw all the aid we give to other countries n imigrants lets get this country and its people back on track first fk the EU
If the rubbish had been cleaned away and the place made tidy then there would be room for sympathy; as it is there simply isn't.
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god. - Mack., liverpool, United Kingdom, 12/06/2013 12:54 This is new labours Britain not Cameron's
Wait 'til January !!!!!!
Welcome to England now kindly go back to Estonia, England is not the easy life you thought it was gonna be
We need to build millions of council houses in this country, we haven't built since the 80s, and we sold them off, and peoples living standards have fallen, whilst many have got fat off of renting out slums to others. A lack of housing is shrinking the middle class and leading to a growing underclass.
They could of course go home!!
Forgive me but why doesn't' t he just go back to his own country?
Oh well, at least we are sending hundreds of millions of pounds of tax payers money to developing countries...................
terrible to see
The big, dark secret here is usually drugs. Why won't they admit how many homeless folks use them? Harmless recreation? Not!
If this guy is an Estonian immigrant and is incapable of supporting himself, why is he even here? Why isn't this most basic check carried out on all imigrants? Why is his coming to UK and finding the streets aren't paved with quite so much gold as he expected, my problem? All these homeless immignats should be given a one-way flight home on a charted plane! That way they cease to be a UK problem. At least he has a cave, we used to live in a shoe box int'' middle of t' road!
Instead of building new 'affordable' homes that will undoubtedly be used as an excuse to take more of our decreasing green belt land - why can't they convert ruined factories or abandoned shops into homes for the homeless? Make use of what we have, instead of destroying more of what we haven't.
And the government still allow and encourage TAX AVOIDANCE schemes to enrich the lives of high earners and businesses... While many struggle their way through life paying full tax... And to add a further insult ... The government in their wisdom... Make it all LEGAL for these select few to avoid paying tax... CRAZY or what... Will you be voting at the next election for this to continue... Well people have for the past 25 years... Stupid lot aren't we... To put up with it and get conned so unjustly..... For so long....
It's still better than eastern europe!
This social experiment is not working. The whole thing is a disaster.
GET OUT OF THIS GOLD DIGGING EU!! SAVE OUR OWN PEOPLE FIRST, THEIR COUNTRIES HAVE A DUTY TO THEM SO LET THEM HELP THEM, NOT US. STOP THIS B/S NOW!! YOU'RE KILLING YOUR OWN PEOPLE.
Why should any one feel sorry for them, they come with nothing and expect every thing. life isn't like that no where to live that's the fault of the EU, go home Keith43/Ludlow
Its all over the country this,Camerons Britain im afraid,does not care one jot about his "Own People",just his "Save the world" image abroad,disgusting the money he sends abroad while people in this country are forced to use Foodbanks,and thats not just the unemployed and sick,under Labour was bad enough,but under these Rich boys,it is just Vile,Do they really believe that the misery they have caused to peoples lives does not exist,The only good thing about this is,the Damage they have done to there own Party,and the people of the uk,means there will never be a Tory party in power again for a long time,or even never!!Thank god.
Nobody should be allowed in this country if they do not have the means to support themselves.
Most of the people who are homeless are immigrants. Exactly why should I have to pay for them if they do not have a job to come to and lack the skills to get one?? Their problem, not ours - they should have stayed in their own country.
its a druggy or a drunk - either way its best off in a cave away from OUR CHILDRENS SCHOOLS
I know a lad that went to Citizens Advice Bureau to declare he was homeless. They told him since he was over 21, had no disabilities and no children to care for that there was nothing they could do for him. He lives with me now.
This is horrible, they will be forced to get jobs next?
load of rubbish. Nobody has to be homeless in our social benefits society. those who are are there are there through their own fault, usually alcoholism and mental illness where they are too proud to get help.
With a falling population we wouldn't actually need additional housing if it wasn't for mass immigration. The lefty liberals never mention these things, Britain would be far more sustainable if we let the population age ensuring jobs for the youth, housing therefore affordable and kept out immigrants ensuring the viability of our welfare system. Its a crock saying we need immigrants under any basis, liberals and the left think everyone is better than us (well them in reality) so we need to be controlled by Brussles and we need immigrants to save us from ourselves. Wake up and reclaim Britain for the British. CHARITY STARTS AT HOME.
apologies to the monty python sketch - YOU HAD A CAVE ??? - SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER LUXURY.
I am sorry for the people who are having to live rough. However, this person is not english - he has moved to england with no finances, no job offers etc. It is a very sad state of affairs - but was he homeless in Estonia?? Or has he left a home in Estonia to come and live in Manchester with the promise of cash in hand, no taxes and a free house on the dole??
he's got alot of shopping bags around him for someone who's apparently homeless - been at the sales dear?
"An Estonian huddles up in a cave" so not even a UK citizen! Bet half of the homeless are not UK citizens, so really shouldn't be our problem we need to spend "our money" on "our" people first not those who come into the country by choice. Red arrow away!!
Estonians cannot be given a home because they are homeless - They intentionally became homeless when they left the country they were born. 99% of those living in caves are not born or from the UK, they are from abroad, thinking the the UK pavements were paved with gold.
Dave boy get a grip and get this sorted and by sorted I mean stop letting people in this small Island that cant afford to be here ! They should not be here if they cant support themselves full stop , they must all go back to there own country, getting fed up with this soft touch rules we have here. Vote UKIP and get us out of this big mistake once and for all. FED UP TAX PAYER PAYING FOR OTHERS.
Put this picture on the gate of every border crossing to shoe immigrants we are skintight and full up. Charity begins at home then if enough left over give some out.
Nothing to do but still too busy to tidy up apparently.
Should use these pictures as promotional material for immigrants in Romania and Bulgaria intending to come here !
And this government is giving away billions in overseas aid. These people should be given help and prioritised over immigrants. Most homeless people who are given a helping hand turn into productive people who are a benefit both to themselves and society. I remember my mother used to say to me as a young child, never look down on a homeless person, most of them had successful lives until fate dealt them a bad hand. In other words in can happen to anyone, and she and I still believe that.
Nothing new about this if you travel you see type of thing in many 3rd world counties and in places like the states you find people living in cars and in London you see lots of people sleeping in boxes in door ways or under motorway bridges.
If the council cannot help this man then at least give the man his fare back to Estonia
we go halfway round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
Just heard on the news a conservative MP sounding off that they have reduced unemployment significantly, this is not due to jobs, this is due to vulnerable people having their JSA or disability claims stopped. Before you red arrow me I am all in favour of making people work but the ones who suffer first are those who are not able or savvy enough to manipulate the system. These are the ones who have had their benefits cut first cause they can't fill in forms properly or meet the "requirements", shameful on the government. I don't want to pay for anyone who can work, whatever nationality but to try to boast about falling unemployment is treating the public like they are thick,
Well this is what happens when you have an open doors policy and flood the country with non nationals who take out of the system, there is not enough left in the pot to look after your own. Cannot stand it when you all start bleating and crying, you only have your selves to blame for voting labour, lib, conservatives so you could get your grubby hands on working tax credits and in the same breath patronise people on the dole when you get more than them in credits.
What a great thing to see, while Council Official;s can earn up to 600000 a year for doing practically nothing ,and MPs want another 10 to 20 grand a year on top of all the fiddles and non jobs on the side they get up to. The Country is going downhill very fast indeed
my god - we go half way round the world trying to kill crims living in caves - then other crims come here to live in them!
I have NO sympathy for any of them. They HAD a roof over their head a sometime, what did they do to lose it?
Perhaps if we didn't hand out free houses then we would have more resources available to provide for OUR OWN PEOPLE when they're in need!
Has anyone stopped to think that many homeless people choose that lifestyle? Some are drunks, drug abusers, beggars and individuals with mental problems who have been failed by the system. With the plethora of benefits available for these people, very few are truly "homeless".
Hobos are kings amongst men whereas the lowlife comments here seem to better wasted on the subject of pink toys and why Samsung is better than crapple.
why is it with every news story - blame is put on immigrants?
Cameron's Britain.
Stop sending money to the bottomless unaccountable pit called the eu, close the immigration gates to everyone except those who can show ancestry here, and stop all aid as a beginning to solving the problem. Then, gather up all immigrants who are here to spout hate, and all criminals from other countries must be returned to their own country, now we've cleaned the country up a bit we Brits can start re-building our nation until we're great again, Oh almost forgot, JAIL ALL POLITICIANS WHO DELIBERATELY SOLD US OUT TO FOREIGN CONCERNS. Our only solution to this problem as for the past decades the big political parties are hell bent on sinking our nation VOTE UKIP and let's see if a new broom can sweep clean.
Couldn't these people have hundreds of billions of pounds? Ah no wait... that is reserved for foreign aid for Countries that have a better economy than ours.
So the homeless people are immigrants from another country??? One has to wonder why they chose to come here in the first place. If they are so poor then how did they afford the flight over? Maybe if these people worked a little harder and actually got a JOB then they wouldn't be homeless. I see homeless people on a regular basis who are always begging me for money. I don't give them any because strangely they can afford alcohol? I know the only thing they will use my money for is booze and drugs. Wake up and accept the reality people.
More of Labour's legacy...
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe???? - Graeme, Nuneaton. >>>>>>>>> So you got as far as the "Estonian" bit and then stopped. Idiot.
Billions in aid and nothing in the pot fo UK , Time you went Mr Cameron your not fit for purpose
GO HOME THEN
The blue wrapper on the floor is from a syringe
Such a sad story, especially for our own British born people. Yet the government splashes billions on worldwide charities etc, the bankers are still allowed to take home MASSIVE paycheques, the main companies in the ul are stripping the wealth out of the economy and not putting the tax back in. Seriously where did it all go wrong??
So people have left their home in another country to come to the UK, not a very wise idea as it is making themselves intentionaly homeless. It's their choice.
this is certainly unacceptable, but on the subject of them sleeping in "filthy, rubbish strewn caves", surely this is their own making? it is their rubbish. they have polluted their own environment. It sounds like these caves are full of the usual homeless losers. Give them a reasonable home and in no time at all they will have reduced it to the same level as these caves. We read this week about the guy that was making £200 a day begging outside a bank somewhere. There is money available to almost anyone that gets off their butts and goes after it, even if their only skill is to hold a badly written cardboard sign.
The great unwashed will always be with you, fact.
I suspect a story that our government would like to hide. Well it's out now, but then, only the MPs and the blind would be unable to see the reality of government cuts in our once decent country. When people are being found dead in these caves in the winter are we supposed to be happy ?
Why doesn't he go home to Estonia if it is so bad. I expect he would rather live in the cave in the hope of being given a free home here. It's ludicrous.
mm homeless and destitute but rich enough to leave half empty tins of food on the floor and condoms?? And that sure is a nice camp bed he's sitting on!!
Under the EU Social Charter it stipulates that migrants have a "Right" to housing.. We have our own responsibilites yet, potentially, we need to house everyone who arrives.. Madness..
This is in no way new... from the caves in Nottingham which were used as homes, (Now under Broadmarsh Shopping Centre), to caves on the Great Orme in Llandudno, to the crypts of St James Cemetery in Liverpool. The problem is that the NIMBY's don't want these people cluttering up their scenic weekend walks, report it to the Police, who come along and turf these people out - but to where? I've always found it heartbreaking that there are so many people in the world who just want to pretend these people don't exist - they're still human after all, just in bad times. A cave may not sound appealing but its a lot better than an alleyway or doorway, especially in the rain! These people need help, not castigation, maybe with the benefits reforms we are now seeing there may be some money there to help the people who really are in need of it, rather than those who want luxury items such as big-screen tv's with no intent of earning the money for it themselves.
Note the lights and needles on the floor.... UKIP will sort it out.
To ease the housing shortage, one could always stop immigration into the Country.
Not one pence of foreign aid should be given until we take care of our own people.
Disgraceful when our own countrymen have to live like this and yet a foreigner with his 12 member family gets a £1m+ 8 bedroomed house courtesy of the tax payer. Why isn't the government doing more to help these people? It shouldn't be just up to Comin Relief or other such charities to help them!
TOUGH. .
The Estonian man shouldn't have come to this country if he didn'tt have enough money to support himself....don't try and blame the government!!!!
Another effect of out of control immigration. VOTE UKIP!
THIS PICTURE IS DEVASTATINGLY SAD. IT SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING IT IS DISGUSTING. LOOK AFTER YOURE OWN PEOPLE FOR GOD SAKE NOT EVERY OTHER COUNTRIES. SHAME ON YOU.
We need more social housing, especially housing that reflects the modern family, often a family of one. Tenants are being force out of their family homes because of the bedroom tax because there are no smaller properties for them to move tom. A society is judged by its poor.
The important words are "An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport" ..... so why does he not go back to Estonia ???
I'm not a Brit, obviously! But come on, "a certain someone" needs to help his own people out instead of opening the border and sending $$ to other countries. Those photos are absolutely heartbreaking, no one deserves to be homeless. It's ridiculous how you guys have so many folks from Eastern Europe living on benefits yet "a certain someone" can't help his own people out...:/ Just my opinion. Fight for your rights!
And we provide luxury homes for preachers of hate, lavish benefits for all across the EU Dictatorship - with millions more to come in the new year. It is OBSCENE.
When we lived in't cardboard box.........
Can i respectfully ask that every newspaper in Romania,and Bulgaria print this story in their papers,and if your people still want to come to prosperous Britain then at least they know what to expect .....Of course theyll still come its already better then what theyve got...and lets face it it will only be temporary,untill they get their new free house and benefits VOTE UKIP and stop any more coming
No wonder mancs are so obsessed with Liverpool - it takes their mind off living in manchester.
It's not Liam is it....
During World War II , many Londoners flocked to Chiselhurst cavies in South East London to take refuge from the bombs that were dropping all over London. You can still visit these caves today. Many people/families lived down is those caves throughout the war - bunks were set up, together with a medical centre and a theatre, where they put on plays and entertain themselves. Perhaps now in these times of austerity and government cuts, the caves could be used once again to provide accomodation for the homeless, we could have Royalty or our Prime Minister go and open them and they could then proudly announce to the world, "This is how we deal with homelessness in modern Britain". Its called the "Big Society".
They know where the exit is....
We haven't got much chance when we are having to cope with the homeless from other countries too
Hope it's a one bedroom cave,otherwise this government will tax it
Why should the authorities help homeless Eastren Europeans? Surely any Eastern European, who becomes jobless should make his/her way back to his/her home country & not rely on UK charities to help them.
If the ones from Eastern Europe are homeless over here why don't they go back to their home in Eastern Europe instead of being a burden over here?
show them a job and they will leave the cave, fast.
I hate to sound racist but how come we can provide homes for foreigners but not for our own people. This makes me sick.
I hope the council is harrassing them for council tax. this is blatent tax evasion
It's obvious what the problems are. Let's all stop pretending we hadn't seen this coming way back when Blair and his cronies were singing 'Things can only get better' and opened the doors wide to ensure they stayed in power.....they need a new verse to that song ......'and then they get worse'....Worse is obviously the new Better as we are supposed to think these changes to our native country are just great, exactly what we wanted, and why didn't this happen sooner it's such a blessing? Could they really have believed that the economy would not tank? I don't know how some people sleep at night.
This is really terrible for these vunerable people the Tories are getting what they want people begging for food,next slavery will be introduced,all politicians want to hang their heads in shame because this is what is happening to our once great country poverty for the masses is the Tory manifesto for 2015
The answer like the lady from Crisis says is to build 1000s of affordable homes, we all agree this would go someway to solving the problem except no one wants one of these 'new council estates' anywhere near them. Welcome to the 21st Century Britain a country that hates hypocrisy and malthusianism.......In others.
We are a rich country and have people living like this. I would give me great pleasure to sack the dim-witted.
If you're looking for someone to blame, look no further than Brussels.
It's probably likely that everyone is one wage packet from being homeless.
The result of unfettered immigration. No-one should be allowed into the country unless they have a job or a means of supporting themselves. Maybe that man would be better off returning to Estonia?
Don't have children unless you can reasonably expect to provide a home for them (with you) if they fail to fend for themselves. With no sensible employment history you shouldn't be allowed to have more than two children (I peronally don't think you should be allowed to have any you can't support (unless you are an ill or disabled special case) but I suppose we are too far down the line of 'Human Rights' for that ever to come to pass. Don't expect someone else to pick up the pieces resulting from your thoughtlessness and greed, genuine needy cases excepted. It's too easy to live on benefits it would seem. There our politicians are to blame.
Some people themselves prefer the open air and nature in the raw to being cooped up indoors---Yes it IS true If caves are not damp--they are good to be in and keep a fairly constant temperature---warm in the winter and cool in the summer---Definitely not everybody's cup of tea for a myriad of reasons but communion with nature has been and still is practiced by a significant percentage of populations--not just the down and outs as this article puts out
Just keep sloshing our money abroad...plus those scrounging coming here. Don't get me started!!!!!
Go back to Estonia then........
People living on the streets is bad, but maybe, in this particular case, the homeless Estonian man should go back to Estonia where he probably has family
These are the pictures that potential migrants should see before they come.
Dreadful state of affairs. How come some people can get everything, 6 bedroom houses, loads of money from the government, free school meals etc etc and there are people homeless. Surely it is all out of proportion and nobody should live like this. I know some people don't help themselves and have addictions and cant get work, but even so they are humans not animals.
This has been common knowledge to Stopfordians for years.It has always been used by drug and alcohol users. It is sad, but not due to current Govt legislation.
Never mind eh, you all turn a blind eye because you think everyone but you is a benefits scrounger, its all been done in your name, sit back watch it all happen, its what you wanted after all, we could ask for it to be televised, the new big brother, make it a spectator sport, and you are all only one step from this.
There are single people occupying 2 and 3 bedroomed council houses.
Camerons Britain, the rich get richer everybody else gets poorer.
This is all very bad, but 2 things: Why do they have to fill the place they are living with litter? Why not put it all in a bag and take it to a bin next time they walk out? And - 'Half empty tins of food'. I would never waste half a tin of food! It would get eaten at the next meal or whatever. And I am sure the temperature in the cave isn't so hot that it will go off in a matter of hours!
They should at least keep it clean, build a fire, sleep on animal skins, make bone tools...
And there are still more queuing to get into the country, what is going to make our politicians come to their senses?. I personally have lost faith in all three parties,none of whom can tell where the truth finishes and the lies start, that is why they have spin doctors.
We are one of the richest countries in Europe and we have people living in caves. Time to sack some people.
Balderdash. I bet they are middle-class left-wingers looking to complete a narrative on the heartless government. There are hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers who live under roofs.
Well I hope it isnt a two-bedroomed cave buddy, because the good old treacherous UK Governments will happily shaft you again for that.
Squalid: An Estonian huddles up in a cave near Stockport that is strewn with rubbish and filth. For him it is home: Where he is living he cannot help, the filthy condition it is in, he most certainly can. I have been in cave and dug-out homes all over the world. Most of them were cleaner than the average hospital ward... oh, not good comparison... cleaner than the average professional kitchen!
Theres a very simple solution. Go back to their home countries where there friends and families live. Dont expect me to pay for every economic migrant down on his luck.
and Abu Qatada carries on living in his mansion with his missus plus his 6 kids. Hamza's wife is still here with his kids in accommodation. Billions of pounds wasted on a new BBC centre, this is disgusting, totally got priorities wrong.
Shame on democracy where people live even worse than commie China. Shame!
Don't they have caves in Estonia?
And of course we are all in it together.
"Homeless men and women are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" The Food Bank at Christchurch in Dorset (an area not exactly famous for it's poverty and high unemployment) has just moved its distribution centre to a warehouse because demand has doubled in the last 12 months. Ditto the Food Bank in Oxford (ditto my 'poverty' comment). But - How can this be, when our Unelected Leaders tell us that "Average earnings are 1.3% up on the previous year - up by 3.3% in April alone"(!), "Jobseeker's Allowance claimant figure fell by 8,600 in May compared to the previous month" and "The number of benefits claimants is at its lowest level in two years". So it's 'Spend! Spend! Spend!' for everyone!
Homelessness is an utter disgrace in a civilised society, however, it the Estonian man has arrived from Eastern Europe, without the means to house or feed himself or get a job then he should go back home. Immigrants should not be coming to Britain with the expectation that they will be provided at taxpayers expense with a home and benefits, having never contributed anything in tax or national insurance. We should however be looking after our own people, who as a result of being flung out of work thro no fault of their own but due to the governements austerity measures and cuts are now loosing their homes. After all they have paid their tax & national insurance contributions and should now be protected having fallen on hard times. The blame lies clearly with the Politiicians who have allowed and continue to allow uncontrolled immigration and there will be even more homelessness when the Roumanians & Bulgarians arrive, expecting to freeload off Britain.
only the begining,a lot more to come looks like the tories are getting what they want,and thats houses for the immigrants while brits live in caves what a disgrace,three party's to blame not one people must vote ukip.
Just because you live in a cave doesn't mean you have to have rubbish everywhere.
In the meantime everything budget is being cut apart from the foreign aid budget. This is just so wrong, help YOUR OWN people FIRST.
Due to mental illness I lost everything & was homeless for approx 10 mths. Sleeping mainly on the streets, I usually sat up all night and dozed. It was safer to sleep on a bench during the day with people about. I would often sleep behind shops having first collected clean cardboard out of the bins to lay on. I was very scared and often sat all night in the foyer of the local police station when a certain desk officer was on he would make me a cup of tea...bless him, but then I would need the toilet so I would walk across the town centre to the 10p toilet. I always had 5 x 10p's for the toilet during the nights, days I would use shop toilets. I would wash in any toilets I could during the days and try to stay clean. I remember the day 'I came back' mentally and managed to sort my benefits & book into a cheap B&B, then an hostel, bad times. Prior to those bad times I was a professional worker and lived in a beautiful house with all the 'trappings' - it can happen to anyone!
Once upon a time those caves would have been the height of luxury. With a few changes, such as willow screens, bracken for a mattress, a cooking fire etc it could be ok for a while. Obviously not in winter and no doubt the location is not ideal, and the marauding kids a threat, but if people wanted to improve their surroundings they could start by picking up their own litter and taking some pride in themselves. If it was me I would make the most of the situation.
No wonder so many Brits left for overseas. I think commie China is good destination where people are much better off.
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010... - snowonthebeach , London, 12/6/2013 11:39.......................even more Eastern Europeans came over here, sold a pup of a dream of money and jobs. Most towns have small encampments around them it seems now, tucked away out of site and to a man or woman) the residents are Eastern European and for that we have to blame, not thank, Labour and Gordon Brown and Tony Blair in particular
They'll be adding council tax on to those soon.....
SHAMEFULL.
So why don't they go back to eastern Europe????
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
Just because you are living rough in a cave does not mean you should not keep the area clean and tidy .If this is your "home" for a while then make it as comfortable as possible and as clean as possible.No money does not mean you have to live in squalor it simply means you have to try and survive as best you can.
Simply put ... No Way ! George Osbourne tells me everything is OK despite austerity based cuts. That's good enough for me. The must be made up ... I mean .........
This is totally unacceptable, British people should NOT be existing like this and until the ever-increasing numbers of immigrants who expect to be housed, clothed, fed etc., is dealt with NOTHING will change any time soon. When are 'the powers that be' going to wake up to the dire straits we're in? [and it's going to get worse]. There are FAR TOO MANY PEOPLE in this Country - something we've all known for years
At the risk of pointing out the blindingly obvious, stop letting people from other countries in here who cannot support themselves, and that most definatly means other EU countries. And concentrate on housing people of this country, because one thing is for sure, we dont have a big enough cave system to support the rush of poor people coming from Romania and Bulgaria
These cave dwellers must be native Brits. No illegal immigrant would be allowed to live like this would they Mr Cameron/Clegg/Blair / Brown/ New Labour ?
Bet there is help for immigrants though and I bet this won't get published.......................again.
And our Foreign Aid budget is growing by one billion a year? How can Mr. Cameron justify this?
He does not have any visible means of support and is unlikely to be a job seeker, unless he is writing "Cave near Stockport" as his address on his applications!
And do the likes of Cameron, IDS, Clegg etc care? What a silly question, of course they don't! They are too busy lavishing it up at our expense.
The EU has equalised all the states of Europe (except perhaps for the German state!) so that we have our share of abject poverty as well. Can't say I like living here any more.
'the caves are currently occupied by an Estonian man' - I have a suggestion, why doesn't he try Estonia? This article is littered with big percentages, all of which are meaningless without an actual number. We all know that most homelessness is caused by adiction or mental illness and until we tackle those issues this situation will continue no matter how much additional accommodation is created.
Better in caves than on the streets!
These people are not our problem and the government should be concentrating on homeless British people first and foremost
How can they afford condoms?
But Dave Cameron is so proud to be sending billions of aid abroad.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather, Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 12:29 If you read the article the person mentioned as living in the cave was Estonian and the project manager for the charity said there were an increasing number of East Europeans among the homeless-
Wake up and smell the coffee Camoron this is the reality as to what is happening in the streets and cities' of Britain. Stop squandering OUR hard earned money on YOUR pet project's in foreign countries many of which have nuclear arsenals and space programs. Stop the myth that we are a rich and prosperous country we are in fact BANKRUPT and only get by by borrowing BILLIONS of pounds. Vote UKIP and get rid of these out of touch rich boys.
Help our own first! Estonia and Eastern Europe?? What are they doing here?
"half empty tins of food" ??? fussy or just not hungry ?
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 Did you not red the article? He is an immigrant from Estonia who arrived a few weeks ago. If the council gave him a house you would no doubt be complaining about that too!
I honestly thought the council had a duty of care to house people even if it was in emergency bed and breakfast. How else do all these people including immigrants get given properties in Westminster and the like. What are the rules if you lose all your money, you can't go looking for a job dressed in cloths you slept in so they can't claim job seekers, if they have a disability they couldn't stand the cold and damp so that rules that out. If your spending any benefit you do get on Drink and Fags then it's your lifestyle choice, but you can't just sleep rough anywhere near a public place as they are in Park Lane much to the amazement and amusement of nearby residents,shops and Hotels. They must be moved on or better still removed from the country because they are not seeking jobs and a better life they just want a free meal ticket and are making a nuisance of themselves until they get it. This government is pathetic and will be replaced in 2015 i only hope it's UKIP/BNP not Labour.
There are lots of people wanting to blame the government, but over the past few weeks this paper has proved that a huge swath of homeless people are Romanian gypsies. Then there are the "homeless beggars" who pack up their begging bowls every day and go home to their houses to count their takings for the day. Let's not forget the junkies who have fallen into this sort of mess through their own stupidity. Few people are homeless because of the economic situation, most are there because of drugs, booze, alchohol and crime. The vast majority of them are on some form of state benefits so why on earth are we supposed to shed tears for them?
three years of tory rich boys ,and the poor are living in caves ,can you see a pattern?
Why are we allowing this? There's more than enough money to put them up in a hostel and help them find jobs. The fact they can wake up to having their sleeping bag set on fire with them in it is astonishing.
It is only filthy because they make it that way...if they cleared their rubbish instead of leaving the mess for others to clean it would make it a bit more pleasant! No excuses!
Thanks to this hellish government's welfare policies the situation is set to become infinitely worse.
I'd take a cave over a cardboard box any day of the week!
Trying to get a place is a nightmare first rip off agencies who wont even consider anyone unless you pay them money up front even then you are not gauranteed a property happened to me didnt get my money back either..its all about money i went to my local council but was told it is not their problem when you are homeless life is extremely hard and people judge you because of it
Building new homes for immigrants while our own live in caves. Then we send 12 billion abroad for charity. As our national deficit sits at 120bn a year and the interest is over 60bn a year.... Makes sense cameron? We want our country back!
Yet the can give away Billions away on foreign aid when it could be used at home.Wonder if that makes CaMoron Proud to be british.
I cannot help to say some people are simply lazy, unwilling to work anything.
I"ve got a great idea how to alleviate the cronic housing shortage in Britain......Invite hundreds of thousands of migrants to come and live here!!.....oh,they"ve already done that.
A poor state of affairs.Stop sending aid to countries that don`t need it. What I don`t understand though, is why in all these sort of stories, you read that they are littered with half-empty tins of food, filthy clothing and condom wrappers.They could put their litter in a plastic bag and drop it in a litter bin.They are only making matters worse for themselves.
So the plans of Dave Giddy and IBS the epitome of Conservative self interest greed and ignorance is working then DM ? What a ghastly triumvirate they are.
And with the new bedroom tax even more will end up homeless. My husband and I want to downsize but there are no one bedroomed properties available to us within 60 miles of where we live until we both reach 55.... as my husband works, he would have to leave his job and I care full time for my 90 year old mother, so thats not an option. So when we get evicted because we cannot find the extra £100 a month we are now charged, we will be in the same boat as these poor people.
wen u turn to drugs - alot turn homeless
But these are the sort of people who cannot even keep a cave clean. Why does he surround himself with filth instead of moving it away. Even stone age people had a midden. Most animals deposit their waste away from the area in which they sleep.
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets. - BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29" You are seriously out of date. 20 years of corrupt, inept government has turned a wealthy nation into a bankrupt one. More people will end up on streets, especially if this government does not stop immigration and does not do something constructive to restart British industry.
Unsurprising when the government is stopping peoples benefits.
A lot of homelessness is caused by alcohol/drug abuse and mental illness rather than a lack of benefits. With JSA and Housing Benefit, however meager , (Unless you have 9 kids and are reaping it in) there is no reason people should be sleeping on the streets. We need to tackle the mental issues and substance abuse issues. Sadly, a lot of Charities have lost their way. The Big Issue started with noble intentions and for the first part of it's life did good and really helped a lot of people with issues. No, Sadly, it has lost it way. Of the 8 Big Issue sellers in Reading I know that at least 6 of them at living in Housing Benefit paid flats and receiving benefits. That is not "homelessness" and the Big Issue need to total overhaul their vendor program if they want to get back "on mission"....
If you live in a cave you don't have to live in squalor. Just clean it up. Fancy leaving empty tins etc all over the place. Why don't the immigrants go back home then? It can't be worse than being homeless here.
Charity begins at home!
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk, 12/6/2013 11:39.....No! We should have proper housing for all Brits who have paid into the system!
Give them the homes that we give illegal immigrants to live in. These people are British born after all, aren't they?
And those of us who are forced to private let because we can't get our own place are being bled-dry be landlords. 2/3rds of my wages go on rent. Been on the waiting list for 13 years and offered nothing as i see new flats being built and our " neighbours " filling them. I actiually hate Britain and if i could i would be our of here.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago" - Does that not suggest he is not here officially?
The 1% will be ok.. they always are!
If they dont like it they can go back home again.Simples. No one asked them to come here
"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets." Do we BB? Are you aware of this country's crippling debt? We are deeply in the red yet we continue to give millions to foreign aid to give the world the impression to we can actually afford to be so generous. We have an NHS that is all but disappearing, a coffer that has much more taken out of it than is put in and people who habitually abuse the system and that includes the bankers. I have to ask though why on earth immigrants would come to this country only to end up living in a cave? Surely better to live in a cave in one's own country? This country is in crisis, not just economically but morally. We have people managing multi million budgets who should not be allowed to manage a petty cash tin and local authorities that squander our money on their own expenses. A complete overhaul is needed but who has the minerals to do it? Not the current government and certainly not labour who created this mess
Take a look at many of londons parks and green spaces and you'll see groups of european men,every day,getting drunk. Often sleeping where they fall unless the Parks Police kick them out. Sorry,but look at the empty bottles in the pictures. Take responsibilty for your actions,rather than playing the victim card then expecting the UK to pick up the pieces by clogging up our A&E departments 24/7.
This is the inevitable consequence of de-industrialisation. There are fewer jobs for low-skilled workers, which has created a multi-generational class largely dependent on state handouts. When the state finally runs out of other people's money (as is inevitable in the long run), those who are dependent on it because they have neither the skills or the upbringing to find work are left destitute. It doesn't help that successive governments have treated it as something that will solve itself, so it's festered. It will take a long, long time to fix this problem, if it can be fixed at all.
All they have to do is become a racist spouting cleric and then they will get free accommodation and all the other perks. Surely we can do better for these people. How about the church steping in to help?
So, clean the cave and area up, stop drinking beer and spending funds on condoms. Go to charity shop and buy clean clothes. You don't have to live in filth! Red arrows to follow! Maybe red arrow users could take some of these people in and give them a spare room.
And who has littered the cave with half empty food tins?
The Rich get richer by exploiting the poor, but the Rich always have an excuse why they need to take more money from the Poor. Solution, we must destroy the Rich and take back what was stolen, by lies trickery and deceit.
WHat on Earth is going on in our country when immigrants can get housing and benefits, but our own people cannot? Give the properties to our own first. This is a total disgrace!
"Homeless people are forced to live in CAVES as charities report surge in destitution" Thank you so much, New Labour, for the unrestricted immigration.
The charity behind this article (the Wellspring) say that they help the homeless, but guess what? they don't provide a single bed. Perhaps your reporter could ask them why they can't even put one homeless person up, despite having assets and income of over half a million pounds?
Hmm "charities" .......no such thing in this country , do you mean massive corporate charities that we have in this country , with massive salaries and millions in bonuses with HQ's in London , its just another scheme to syphon off public money into private privileged hands with the added bonus of all the tax breaks etc that goes with being registered as a ""charity"
Cameron and Clegg's ConDem UK - expect more of same with rich getting richer off the backs of the poor - including those working for starvation wages.
Tory Britain 2013 ... Was the same in the 1980's and STILL people vote for them. Am sure your 'fair minded' readers will have no problem with this though !
These people deserve no sympathy, they can't even keep a cave clean. Whatever one's circumstances, there is NO excuse for living in squalor.
Forced?
Take a good hard look David Cameron, this is your Britain - you're a disgrace to be letting this happen
Shambolic, the options facing these people would be hostels or shared accomdation, often with drug users and general scumbags.
Those photographs should be made compulsory to hang on the walls of our party leaders and bank officials, who receive multi-million pound bonuses, to serve as a daily reminder of their greed and the mess they have caused to our once great country. !
Without all the immigrants, legal and illegal, there would be homes for all the Brits. Close our b orders and have a big kick out = criminals and hate preachers first and then the rest. Homes and jobs first for those born and raised here.
Homeless man from Estonia? Sorry, but if they can't support themselves to clothe, feed and house themselves then they should be packed off home. It shouldn't come down to our government to had everything out on a plate. We have quite enough
Homeless immigrants... Thanks Tony!!!
This simply should not be happening in this day and age. I can't nvisage the situation getting any better once the Border Controls are relaxed next January.
I don't understand how poeple can be homeless when there's so much of the British population who do not work for a living and receive free homes and benefits and they don't even have to be Brisith born...
About time you all protested.
Not buyin it sorry... Evidence of drug abuse scattered all around him... Addiction is not a disease, you can't catch it.. Just saying
Sorry, but nobody is forced to live anywhere.
How many millions are squandered on foreign aid, legal aid, interpreter fees and benefits for non UK citizens, plus Afghanistan which I might add is the world largest producer of heroin, the issue is easily solvable, along with the Austerity programme
Well where else would "homeless" people live, in "homes"??
And this will only increase when the stupid government open the flood gates. They are just not bright enough to see what will happen. But they don't care because they have filled their own pockets will overflowing wealth, and as soon as it is election time, they will disappear like the other lot did like rats leaving a sinking ship.!!! an anagram of B liar comes to mind Come on UKip give it a go.!!!
so this is Tory Britain!
This is nothing to do with immigration or the councils it harks back to the days of Thatcher and her selling off council houses and then denying the councils right to replace them, since then no government has helped with a Social Housing building project, now this corrupt and unelected government is not only failing to build the thousands of Council houses needed but is giving billions away to build private houses for sale to the affluent, building council houses is not only a darned sight cheaper, but gets employment going again and gives a much needed boost to the economy with the added bonus of more rents coming in and other companies needing more employees for peripherals to be manufactured which in turn leads to wages that will be spent on washing machines, carpets, etc making more companies employ more people with more wages to be spent meaning other industries pick, why is it that it seems that politicians seem to have their brains removed upon entering public service?
A high percentage of these people are drug addicts or alcoholics.
The difference between these people and most of us is we forced ourselves to get an education and jobs. I believe everyone has the capacity of rising to their own level of competence and to deny this means we are being arrogant that others can't do this for themselves. I was homeless, so I can say it can be done if you are determined without any help from the government.
Most of the unfortunates are not UK born probably EU so why not give them their fare back home as UK let them in without proper documentation checking!
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
I hope the cave does not have a spare chamber, otherwise the government will make them pay bedroom tax on it.
And they still have a open borders policy. This government is as determined as the last to sink this country and cause more problems.
--------------we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system - the geek , uk -------------------Why can't we stick those who shouldn't even be in this country in to little pods and giv
Get used to it !There will be no state pension or welfare within 25 years time . A fundamental shift is taking place .....
The homeless immigrant problem is very easily solved just give them the plane fare home. As they will no doubt have any money because the people trafficas will have cleaned them out. Surely that would be far better than living on the streets. Sadly we don't have enough houses to give them a roof over their head. We can't house our own British citizens. If these people were re-patriated they get to go home, we get a true picture of British homlessness andhopefully the true figures can then be dealt with accordingly. As it is the sheer amount of new homes it would take to house both the immigrant homeless and our own would just be big for any government tackle.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, Don't you know that councils have NO housing responsibility for single people or even couples without children, unless they are categorised as 'vulnerable' because of age, mental or physical illness etc. Properties tend to go to some immigrants because they have large families and that is the main criterion of need. Rather than accusing immigrants of causing this situation, the result of government policy (which tells us that the homeless are "scroungers" who can easily find jobs), we should instead be investing money in building a whole new swathe of social housing in towns and villages across the country. Capital investment like that would not only provide those in desperate need with somewhere to live but revive the economy.
Yes Cameron this is the UK, you are more concerned in saving the rest of theWorld than looking after the Country you are paid to
what sort of devil child sets fire to a sleeping bag with someone in it ... that horrified me as much as the headline. Why arent these children in bed !
And yet immigration from Eastern Europe continues to rise!
Remember "we're all in this together"? Funnily enough though I don't see Cameron, Clegg, Osbourne -or ANY MP living in a cave, do you?
Immigration, UK and Homeless all in the same story, clean your cave up and have some pride. it's only messy cos they have allowed it to be like this. Would they live in a house and allow it to be like this. I had nothing in the early nineties and was never without at least a roof over my head due to the support of the social services. You can lead a horse to water but if it doesn't want to drink it won't.
Why are we continuing to let in immigrants when we can't house all our existing population? It doesn't make sense.
Look what has happened to our great Britain. Unless someone with some TRUE BALLS OF STEEL can lead us, give the country a big kick up the a*se and REALLY sort things out, we are DOOMED! I fear it may be too late as it appears we are already a 3rd world country.
So when you say that Britain has a homelessness problem, why use an Estonian man as an example? He can go back to his own country if he doesn't like it here.
Why is the person in the cave deliberately hiding his face? has he spent his benefits on drugs and booze so can't afford a room or is he on the run from the law, gangs or family.. Or maybe he is a model just posing in a picture to raise the profile of the charity? Just doesn't ring true to me!
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
We have weapons of mass destruction we have to address , Poverty is a weapon of mass destruction , Homelessness is a weapon of mass destruction , Unemployment is a weapon of mass destruction .
New world order has arrived, this isnt the HALF of it
"estonian man arrived weeks ago" nice one cameron and co. keep em coming and pushing us into the dark ages
Send him back to Estonia.
how much does it take to make these people see they were better off from whence they came?
Governments need to control immigration, force banks to start lending money, ensure that large companies pay their fair share of corporation tax...............well that's a start....... Why is it that governments have no idea how to run a country? If I ran a country, any country, there would be no such thing as debt! That's how I have always lived my life so running a country should be no different!
So this government is not taking us back to the 19th century, it is taking us back to the Stone Age.
Where are all the youngsters living in caves with their parents going to move to, if the middle class homeless are taking all the available caves? It'll be hovels next!
You'd be lucky to find a cave like that around here.
i think you will find that someone from Estonia is NOT a UK resident. illegal immegrants do seem to be coming into the country and sleeping rough sometimes. maybe they should have to show they have somewhere proper to live before they are allowed in. its not down to UK charities to house immigrants of any description.
"The caves are currently occupied by a homeless Estonian man, who arrived in the region several weeks ago." So if this is worse than Estonia, go back. why do they come here when they have no job and nowhere to live
This Estonian man could surely live in much better conditions in....er......Estonia?
how large does the population have to get. before we slip into third world status
this is not a country that doesnt care and that doesnt support people in need - as we the taxpayers have found to our cost. I dont believe these people are in caves because they have been turned down from the many charities and goverment funded organisations that are there to deal with the homeless, unemployed etc. Stop making me feel guilty i have contributed enough since 1982 when I first started working (and at one point at two jobs paying tax twice!) - no doubt when i require a nursing home, hospital bed or even the state pension I would be entitled to draw when I finally am allowed to retire all monies will have all been swallowed up taking 'care' of people who didnt take care of themselves or their own in the first place..
Why are we paying for all these MPs? I would rather halve their number and give the money to homeless charities.
yet another 500,000 will come into the country next year and increase homelessness and unemployment and drain our services even more. complete and utter madness
Close Britain's borders and stop flooding our country with broke, prospectless people who have nowhere to go and no resources except those they can leach from hardworking British taxpayers. It's not rocket science. Taking the current status quo to it's logical conclusion half the world's poor will end up in Britain, our country will be a slum, British people will have paltry access to the overstretched services & housing they have paid for all their lives, all the while paying out more in taxes to cover ever increasing welfare handouts, and our countryside will be built over to house the world. Dear God, someone with a brain and some balls please come and take charge of Britain. UKIP is the only solution I can see.
Cameron, Osborne, Clegg and all their 'mates' will not see articles such as this, and for certain will not stoop to read readers' comments - the UK is experiencing the same government rhetoric as the US - the mainstream media fails to publish the real conditions experienced by far too many of its citizens. Rubbing salt in the wounds of these poor homeless and largely ignored people are politicians who dispense massive financial 'aid' to countries which do not need such help. The UK is in terminal decline - the two 'party' system has totally let the people down - wake up British subjects and vote these greedy, self-centered, smirking liars and thieves out of your parliament before it is too late..the clock is ticking....
Don't care about the Estonian or any other immigrants, I care for the British people forced into these conditions when billions in aid is sent to Pakistan India Afghanistan ....... help our folk first why don't our people have rights
They should all get off their lazy arses and find a job that will allow them to pay a mortgage on a nice new house in sw1.........oops sorry I really should stop reading the Daily Mail. Red arrows away.
This is how Labour want to see all of Britain living if they had their way. Very sad to see.
"Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron" - alex , wales______________ Don't forget the first massive blow to the economy was the government giving hundreds of billions to the bankers who had squandered their money in dodgy dealings to give themselves multi-million bonuses.
Jonathan Billings, project manager for the charity, said that the number of people - including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. This is only going to get worse when the others are given the green light. We have enough of our own problems, they should travel back home. I'm sure they have family back home and can rely on their own government to help out, not ours
I cannot understand why this needs to happen to destitute UK citizens. I mean, immigrants and their extended families seem to get sorted out with a house and fixtures within days of arriving here..............!
mr Cameron should be ashamed that this is going on in our country , but will he do anything about it ? i dont think so . dont know why people come to britain to live its disgracefull
Stop all immigration and all foreign aid until our own problems are under control
David Vile Cameron has been cutting money to Homeless Charities for three years ,so soon they will close due to lack of funding
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
British people should always get council homes first. Estonians, Romanians etc can always go HOME.
This problem unfortunately is set to increase, along with the increase of repossessions, we also have the implementation of the Bedroom Tax. I suspect that charities such as Shelter and the Food Banks will become stretched beyond capacity as these half witted Governmental policies bite home. Whilst I agree that there are problems with benefits, such lack of foresight by the Government in terms of its policy implementation, is bewildering. It would be nice if we had a Government which was able to think about the effect its policies have, before they are implemented, rather than have to deal with the aftermath. But then to associate this Government with thinking, is quite frankly nothing more than wishful.
The Estonian man has the choice of moving back to his own country. he obviously came here with no job, accommodation or prospects in place. We had a case here over 10 years ago of a middle aged man who was living in a cave on the beach. He'd had to come back home to Scotland for personal reasons after some years working in Australia. Were the council or the state bothering to help one of our own who had fallen on hard times - yes, you guessed it - NO. He was existing on charity and kindhearted local souls who gave him food. They council would probabaly have just said he made himslef intentionally homeless, the state would have said he wasn't entitled to anything. This country really is useless when it comes to dealing with its own. It may sound harsh, but we don't need the homeless of the EU over here.
Immigrants can always go home if they have no where too live where are the indigenous people of the islands once know as Great Britain suppose to go?
I despair for them and despair for British taxpayers. Britain is ruined and our governments are doing nothing to prevent the causes of such despair.
And all those empty properties!!!!
Never mind, our homegrown terrorists are safe and comfortable in their huge, taxpayer funded houses.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
I don't care how poor you are, there is no need to live in filth and rubbish like that man. Even when I was at my lowest, I always made sure that my surroundings where clean and neat.
george orwell down and out in Paris and london 2013 edition sadly too many dont care if truth be known the govt would welcome a drop in life expectancy
Councils do not reserve houses and accommodation for the British.
The banks have caused most of this. They borrowed cheap cash from the Chinese who have been cash rich rfor a while. Then the banks lent it to UK borrowers, in the form of sub-prime or toxic loans. (There have been plenty of TV progs on this like Panorama.) Lending to folk who can't repay then forclosing, is a form of loan sharking. They take peoples homes to get the money back. The govt. used taxpayers cash to bail them out, so there would not be runs on banks. (MP's would lose out in a run too.) They still have their bonuses. YOU can say it's the borrowers fault, but it was the banks that lent toxic loans. Banks are regulated by law of the UK. Borrowers therefor though they were in safe hands.
Sad and distressing to think of people living rough. But, with a third of the country getting help with housing from the state costing billions and bankrupting us, let's agree to do our best but recognise that a) some people chose to live rough (mental illness comes to mind) and b) some are just on their way onto the state gravy train. Seeing how awful some social ills are may hopefully induce others to strive and work harder not be join them. Every answer isn't "throw more money at the problem". We already know it just doesn't work.
Your comments: Another image to make Britain's rich happy including ALL politicians and royalty.. this is a class segregated county and the rich lobe watching us suffer
What are these Estonians doing here in the first place?
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!" The guy pictured in the cave is an immigrant.
Living in caves in warmer countries is quite common. Some even have washing hung outside.A few items of furniture from the tip and they make it cosy. Now squatting is illegal in residential buildings there will be more of this. Shanty towns everywhere.
Yet in our row of 5 housing ass. houses, the 2 that became empty went to immigrants, who are being a nightmare and not interested in obeying tenancy rules. They also don't speak English. How can they get them ahead of British nationals??
15 Years of Oxbridge Educated failures have led our Country to this. Still Parties keep making them Leaders and still The Media keeps promoting them. Until we get rid of them and Brussels, this will continue.
Stop importing destitute people from across Europe and the world who make themselves intentionally homeless in the UK and you can start to deal with the existing problem.
Wellspring ? yep a so called charity of paid people want to get a portfolio of properties under their control want more houses paid for by the tax payer ? who would have thought it ?
Sadly this is only going to get worse. It's shameful that anyone should have to live like this, but some of these homeless people have only themselves to blame, having entered the country with no means of supporting themselves. Housing the homeless should be priority for any council but they really can't win - if they do spend their budgets on housing jobless immigrants they then we complain about that as well.
This is the caring face of Tory Toff Britain, our own suffer while we support the sick, lame and lazy of the world.
And DC keep giving away our money to corrupt Countries that laugh in a our faces. When you next wish to see starving people Dave just look at your own people.
Such a relief we've still got money to look after our overseas cousins when they decide to move here. Why should we look after our own anyway? What have they done to deserve that? Worked, paid their taxes - counts for nothing today.
WHAT!!!!!, am i reading this right, a british person living in a cave in 2013 , i cant believe it, these bloody people come over here from god knows where, take our jobs, get massive houses that no ordinary person could afford, get benefits, cars and only they know what else, and we the unde.rdogs are getting food from food banks and living in caves---god help us because cameron and his cronies wont.
To BB , LDN, 12/6/2013 11:29 who wrote :"We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets" --- that used to be the case but unfortunately a lot of greedy people from all over Eastern Europe and other places have flooded into the country, and our leaders, only too eager to dish out tax payers money to them, have totally neglected to save any for the very people the system was ACTUALLY designed to help
This Is down to Cameron. The buck stops with him.
Simply speechless.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, ==== How do you know these aren't immigrants? We have so many wanting homes, exactly where are Councils supposed to put them all - in hotels, hostels, council housing or pay private rentals. It's a no win situation and one that needs addressing urgently, as we have too many people in this country who don't have jobs and who don't have huge benefits to support them. Single indigenous males are usually the ones who can't get social housing, especially if they lose a job and can't pay rent and are disadvantaged because they don't have dependents.
And still they want us to take in more and more Easr European immigrants. Give us our referendum now Camerclegg!
Looks to me as though the man leaning over has a mobile phone attached to his ear - if he is homeless and presumably unemployed - how can he afford a mobile phone? Oh silly me, I forgot! He will be on this country's very generous benefits!!!
Our Government don't care.
Emigrate to Northern Canada.: cheap housing
Yet we continue to give lots of aid to other countries, all so that Davey boy and his mates can play at being world leaders.
Homes in the UK should go to people who have lived here and paid into the system for at least five years. Also, please note, Cameron: 1. Charity begins at home - save some of the billions of OUR money you are giving away for the people of Britain and 2. Building more social housing will kick start the economy and will provide homes for families and singles currently living under conditions which, quite frankly you have no idea exist in your 'Westminster' world!!
Heartbreaking - The homeless need to be given some positive assistance - Now!
We can't even look after our own people, but hey lets get more foreigners here !
There should be no such thing as homelessness in this day and age. There is a lack of housing so stop people moving to the country until the citizens have a roof over their heads!
prefabs will making a come back
"Why then are not the councils doing something for these people ... "- Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 ########## I'm sure the council will be along soon - to charge them council tax...
I have zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it their lifestyle choice to come here and live in a cave or on the streets. I get annoyed at the bleeding heart liberals who insist on helping them. That help should be reserved for our own homeless, who have no choice in the matter
If I was forced to live in a cave etc it would be a priority to dig a pit for rubbish etc to keep vermin away from my environment. Having said that, I know that I am very lucky to have a roof over my head.
Stop sending our money to despot leaders in far off lands and sort out England Cameroon.
Drive through Europe and you will see these people everywhere living in shanty's and in forests, sad that it has come here.
surprise surprise ...foreigners come over here and expect to be handed jobs or benefits and housing
Meantime ex-government employees still enjoy pensions paid for by the state which by comparison to these poor people make them appear to be rich.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 12/6/2013 11:29 - If you had actually read the article you would know that the homeless charity specifically say a large proportion of the people sleeping rough are immigrants. I come from your area and know a lot of people are backward but even so, read before you comment!!
DM readers dont mind the unelected rich royal family living in 500+ room Buckingham Palace at taxpayers expense.
He doesn't exactly make an effort to keep the cave tidy.
Brinskway caves, knows as Maggie's - This might seem harsh, but that Estonian man should NEVER have been allowed in the UK, and should be returned promptly to Estonia...He along with many other EU nationals have NO reason to be in the UK.............And The Wellbeing charity, should focus on BRITISH homeless men, of which there are many, I know personally that actual help for homeless men is few and far between.....
Goverment is asking us to cut back.. how when salaries are staying put and expenditure is increasing. Why dont THEY cut back and stop buying houses that are NOT being occupiedm and handing out increases. Seems we are having to pay for them to continue to live their luxury lifestyles while people like this suffer.
This makes me so sad to think this is Britain!! Instead of helping other countries, out priority should be to help our own!!
This survey is too ambiguous. First groups need to be identified, those who are here illegally or have arrived without the finances to support themselves or economic migrants or the indigenous that have there priority passed onto others that are part of a secret quota signed up to by government, etc. All this is part of an uncontrolled immigration policy.
seems this country is far more concerned of the welfare of those abroad (as always) rather than our own so this is no surprise..
Kate Middleton could give them some money. And Mrs Beckham aswell!
The Eastern Europeans who come here and are homeless and living on the streets have to be sent back home! This is ridiculous!!
Eastern Europeans who are asking for support here should return home and ask for it in their own home country. We have enough to do and are responsible for our own.
Absolutely awful for this to be happening anywhere, let alone a First World country. This Tory government will no doubt be setting up "camps" for the people they have abandoned if they win a next term. Shameful that the bankers and those who are beneficial to the Government are getting richer while they target the poorest in the land time and time again.
It doesn't make sense to move to another country without making plans for what you'll do when you get there, surely? Did they not make any plans to enable them to return home if things didn't work out?
Has anyone read the story? Some of these homeless people are immigrants.
This will happen more and more as the government stop caring for everyome who isn't their elite pals.
Too much housing has been let out the immigrants. Brits should have priority.
This is disgusting, and along with the increased use of food parcels (even for those working), has shown how far we have fallen. Roll on 2015, and let's get this lot of Buller Boys out for another long time.
Get a job then pay for a home! I do it and so do millions more. Simple, isn't it.
Its a small price to pay to help India's space programme with foreign aid.
Well I'm sorry but the Eastern Europeans are economic migrants and should be sent straight back from whence they came, there is an unsustainable amount of pressure on social housing as it is and British people should have priority! This was always going to happen when Maggie allowed the sale of council houses without using the revenue to build more social housing, it's not rocket science, yet our overpaid over privileged politicians seem oblivious!
This is what happens when governments relentlessly pursue and prop up policies that are proven not to have worked, and never will. I have never qualified for council housing for one reason, I don't have children. Add to that the fact I have always worked. Yet I have had to watch penniless people flood into my country and expect everything including a house and, worst of all, they get it all. I used to work for the DHSS so this is experience talking. While WE cope we get nothing of value from our taxes or grubby politicians.
The Bullingdon Club are in power and homelessness has risen - you could knock me down with a feather. Capitalism is utter Godlessness.
You vote Tory to ensure the poor don't have it easy and expenditure is reduced.The results are entirely predictable .The majority of DM readers should be pleased that they are already seeing signs of Conservative policies .Increased foodbanks,,poverty ,suicide ,homelessness. Labour/Lib won't get elected if they try and help the poor .So expect more misery for the poor.
A homeless Estonian man? Sorry, but he should do what would have been regarded as sensible and normal thing to do a few years ago and RETURN HOME! especially as mass migration from the EU and elsewhere is the REASON we are short of homes!!!
Welcome to modern Britain folks......the end result of political stupidity, ineptitude, and a shining example of the latest British administrations utter failure to manage either the economy, or their own, disasterous social policies, Osbornes horrendous handling of the economy is wrecking the UKs recovery, starving everything and anything of investment and support is NOT the way to fiscal recovery...it IS the way to keep Britain in decline and failure, everyone from the Governor of the Bank of England, to leading financiers have warned him so, but, George ignores them....George knows best.......not.
blame poor people for poverty! It makes perfect sense. I mean, they caused all the financial troubles and were living a life of luxury before the crash. Then one day, they decided they didn't want to work, so just quit their jobs and went on the dole.
Thanks for this Mr and Mrs Blair, this is your legacy
what a surprise and wait for the bedroom tax to really bite as it is just getting going people are missing paying that part of the rent as they do not have it so are getting more and more into arrears eventually the councils or housing associations who usually bend over backwards to try to help these people will have to start eviction . most if you arrears will allow you to pay a small amount off the bill each week but if you have been hit with this tax it will mean no matter what you do the bill will rise
Shame they can't claim asylum as they'd no doubt be lavished with a property and all the treats they want to fill it with.
Perhaps the government should stop giving money overseas when it's obvious that people need it so badly over here. While it's sad that people in other countries are starving, having their homes destroyed by wars etc. British people should come first! Think about how much could be spent on the people here, if foreign aid was reduced or even stopped until this country is prosperous enough for everyone to have a roof over their heads.
i am homeless. the problem is that if you cannot prove bank statements for the past 3 years of where you have been living/staing, then you cannot get housing. in addition, if you have been sleeping in a car (as i have done), been sleeping on buses, been sleeping in airports, that does not constitute as resident in this country. my objection though, is if you come from the eu, and have kids, you can get housing straight away, without having to prove anything! i cannot get benefits because i am of no fixed abode and now the govt don't accept that, even though you can put it doen on the intitial form, everything has to be done online - and that costs! crazy. i am british, middle class and female, and yet i am still expected to sleep on the streets. in london, it seems to only be the british who are sleeping on the streets!!!
Sad to see, more should be done to help although I do appreciate a lot do not want it.
No matter HOW they endedd up in this situation, it just breaks my heart. Keep safe. X
And is still too get worse as we let more and more welfare scroungers in from the Indian subcontinent and EU
Why did the bloke from Estonia come here if he had nowhere to live? Having somewhere to live should be a requirement for coming to Britain. Homeless charities should be focusing on homeless British people, not someone that turned up a few weeks ago from another country hoping for a house!
Those who have lost their homes include middle classes hit by downturn the other homeless do not really count thanks DM
when i saw the picture. never in England and surprise it is.
Sorry guys, all the accommodation has been given to foreigners.
If we stopped giving homes to foreigners there would be plenty to give to our homeless
Go out, get a job.... I am sorry, there is no such thing as "unemployment" go round ask at people's home if you could do a bit of gardening, clear/clean driveway... Wash their car flip burgers at fast food restaurant... there are LOTS of foreigners here, washing cars, and cleaning jobs, they are not taking your jobs, they are taking the jobs that you are to bone idle to do... There is a movement of "will not work, if I do not like a job" rather than unemployment. I have no sympathy.
"Crisis" had better get their story straight - how can we build homes to accommodate not only our own but all who decide to park here when there are no jobs and no one to fund these grand ideas - where do these people come from??? I suspect it is a place called LaLa Land.....
Appalling....but we cant give houses to everyone who enters this country....our own MUST come first...my friends niece tried to go on the local housing list...she was told single mothers take priority...then immigrants . ..so to rent privately....sounds wrong to me.
Seeing the amount of rubbish littering the cave. It seems to me that this is the best place for them.
This may sound harsh but, if the homeless people are immigrants they should be sent back to their country of origin to be looked after by their own governments. We, as a country, cannot afford to take in anymore people who cannot support themselves.
Why do people come from other European countries to end up homeless here? Do they imagine that the are going to immediately be housed on arrival? Anyone who isn't British and is homeless should be rounded up and sent straight home. Anyone who isn't British but is living off the taxpayer should likewise be sent home - that might free up some houses for homeless British people.
So one DM article (over 65's in work) says unemplyment DOWN, while another says unemployment UP?
Where is the family of this man from Estonia? What are they doing to help him? Why does it fall on the local authorities and council tax payers of the UK to house him. Sorry, I voted for a Common Market, not an open house for all comers. Pay his fare to return to Estonia where he can be cared for by his people.
This Estonian man living in a cave should be given a plane ticket back to Estonia, I can't be all bad back there.
An 'Estonian man' living in a cave. What the heck is he doing here anyway?????? Maybe if he went back to his own country he might be better off.
Maybe the mother with the 7 kids and 6 bedroom house could squeeze a few more in...
So actually these homeless are immigrants that arrive here with no work, home and expect the British taxpayer to fund them.
they have no one to blame but themselfs
Meanwhile, criminal immigrants are given free millionaire houses and welfare benefits they don't deserve.
Unfortunately with the introduction of the bedroom tax, along with repossessions due to austerity, there is a much higher risk of people becoming homeless. This in turn will put a further strain on food banks and charities such as Shelter. Shame the Government does not think about the consequences of bad policy making, before they make the policy. However, sensible policy making, rational thinking and common sense are not processes I would associate with this Government, it is simply incapable of such.
What a sad, sad state of affairs. Perhaps the Lords could donate their generous allowances and forgo their subsidized restaurant meals (£60,000 per week) to help out.? Thought not !
In a generation, there will be no Middle Class, only the very rich and the very poor... Read Spengler's 'Decline of Western Civilisation' (look it up on Wikipedia.) Just DON'T read it before you go to sleep!!
Why are we paying for terrorists & hate preachers & immigrants when there are HOMELESS TAX PAYING BRITONS?!?!?!?!?!?!?
You may want to blame the Coalition for not sorting the mess out, but do not be beguiled into forgetting that this is Labour's doing! This is the lag time of their disastrous time in office surging through and is the inevitable result of Socialism! In fact, we have not seen anything yet in terms of sheer scale of their failure, that is yet to come, although we are seeing the influence of the Labour party cozying up to the EU! And remember, most Socialist voters, vote from an ideology, not from the perspective of national economic well being! This is why Socialism will always fail as it is based upon a false belief of wayward promises using outdated and inappropriate rationale - not economic and geopolitical factors of social advancement!
The usual DM Tory brigade will say tell them to get jobs. It really is appalling really in 21st century Britain.I struggle each month but feel lucky when I get hone late at night; that despite all. I still have a place called home.This article saddened me.Also that you can contribute for many years into the tax NI system and then when needed you are branded a scrounger.
then go home.
Cameron doesn't care about people.
It's disgusting that citizens of the UK are "living" like this in the 21st century, whatever their previous circumstances. Yet homes and benefits are thrown at thousands of undeserving recipients who continue to flow into our country unchecked.
Its very sad, homelessness is increasing pretty much all over the world. Its interesting the call for cheaper housing, if it wasnt for so many NIMBYS maybe we could actually get building.
Welcome to Tory Britain 2013.
The repugnant face of capitalism ........you could not imagine what this poor soul has running through his mind....the hunger games are fact not fiction...........
This is CAMERONS Britain we are all in it togeather, I think not.
Thius is why we need to stop opening the floodgates to every waif & stray from across the globe! It's about time charity started at home!!!
Then the Eastern Europeans should have stayed in their own country instead of coming to the UK to sponge on benefits "Great Britain" can't afford.
Been happening for years. Watched a program on some where in the USA last year, loads of normal people had a house, car jobs ect.normal hard working people. 12 months latter living in tents, motor homes and concrete pipes. All to do with going in debt to much and it suddenly catches you. Sad but true. Not lt we can do to help really.
I have very little sympathy for homeless Eastern Europeans and wish they could be deported, we have way too many here as it stands - go home
Your report says.........."including an increasing number of immigrants from Eastern Europe - seeking support has doubled over the past three years. Many of those looking for help are formerly affluent middle-class people who lost their jobs in the downturn and were left without any source of income, he said.........." Firstly, if they are immigrants from Eastern Europe they should not be allowed in this country unless they can prove they have the means to live. Secondly, people who lost their jobs in the downturn will be able to claim benefits so to say they are left without any source of income is not correct.
they should pretend they from another country and don't speak the language then they get everything! then they have have an interpreter and paperwork printed in English....for once!!!!
If there is nothing here for them why come here,go back home simples really.
Class should not come into the equation if you are homeless. It is a shocking state of affairs that in this modern society, the wealthy west, we still have people that are homeless!
They came from homes, why don't they go back to them?
It seems totally wrong that the homeless indigenous population, no matter how they arrive at their particular situation, have to wallow in this type of condition when both legal and illegal immigrants hold out their hands on arrival to the UK and are given priority food, clothing, accommodation and cash benefits.
People from outside the UK should not be granted entry, unless they have provided proof that they have a job, and a lease for a property, for at least a year. Those who do not qualify to be in the UK, should be deported immediately. Immigrants should not be entitled to apply for any benefits / social housing until they have contributed to the system for 10 years. Problem solved, there would be enough housing for true UK citizens.
So, we can't look after our own, and still this useless government let in more and more people from other countries....
What's with a cave, it's where primitives used to live and it's free.
"I don't think politicians are aware of the scale of the problem" The politicians prefer not to think about it.
Having come to this country to find a BETTER life & then finding there just isn't one, wouldn't this poor man be better off going back to his own country (Estonia) where surely the Government there should take some responsibility for one of their desperate citizens???
Charities are business and this is publicity, granted some of the money donated to them goes to help good caused but an awful lot of it goes to make a select few very rich!
I was born in a prefab just after WW2 and it was a great little bungalow style house, complete with wood/coal burning stove. It was supposed to last 10 years but some are still in use today. Why can't this Govt build thousands of them now, as they were relatively cheap and this would be a great boost to the building industry.
Zero sympathy for any foreigner who makes it a lifestyle choice to come to the UK and live in a cave. I wish these bleeding heart liberals would stop trying to help them and instead focus on the British homeless, who have no choice over their plight. What the hell has happened to our country?
Gotta love capitalism.
I'm assuming that this report includes people from Eastern Europe who set up their squalid camps here. Take from the equation every homeless person who has no right to be in Britain and the problem isn't so bad. Send back to their home countries all those in so-called 'social' housing who have no right to be here to free up homes for homeless indigenous Britons. And bear in mind that some people, for whatever reason, don't want to be housed but prefer to live on the streets, however strange it might seem to others.
Fine. Find the immigrants who have never worked and only taken for the longest period, boot them out and give the homes to these poor people. This is a bdy disgrace, it is UK not Sierra Leone. They have also at some time contributed, and do not dare tell me that this is beyond the realms of possibility. Tell the EU to get stuffed and do it. NOW.
the bedroom tax dont help plus all the people coming in to the country
But our beloved Coalition still wanted to give the best part of £200 million in aid to India?! The old saying of "charity starts at home" has never been truer.
Homelessness and poverty increases whilst those who are able to buy up any property going to rent out at exorbitant fees and the government does nothing but legislate to increase poverty further. This is Tory Britain - upheld and maintained by a Liberal Democrat thirst for power at any cost to their principles. Labour sit silently in the shadows with nothing to say!
Not sure why people who have lost thier homes (mortgage default?) have to live on the street but people straight of the plane get given social housing or housing support???
Whilst this is very sad, you need to look at the individuals concerned. I have a friend who is unemployed and apart from a short spell working in a cafe, she has not worked for nine years... She was evicted from her council flat due to rent arrears and is currently camping on a friends sofa otherwise she would be homeless. She simply would not get a job to help pay off her rent arrears preferring instead to stay on benefits (hard to believe but TRUE)... So what do you do with people like this? You either keep throwing benefits at them or they end up on the streets - sadly with my friend, she had no intention of working... There is only so much you can do to help some people if they're not prepared to help themselves. What I do think is very unfair is that single people who have worked and paid taxes receive no help if they become homeless whereas those who have never worked and become pregnant are housed no questions asked...
And still people pour into the country. Not all, but a sizeable part of the current problem can be attributed to "New Labours" open door policy on immigration. I know some of you won't like my comment but it is a statement of fact.
And yet the do gooders tell us that we should embrace ever greater numbers of people at the lower end of the social scale from all over the globe. God help us.
Once the floodgates are open, we will have thousands more Eastern Europeans camping in our parks. When will Cameroon & his buddies come out of their ivory towers and see what is happening on the ground literally.
There are thousands of empty shop units and pubs around the country, some have been empty for years. Convert them to homes and house all the people who have been ordinarily resident in this country for over 5 years first, then those who have been here for over 2 years. Anyone who's arrived since then can go back to the last country they were in and declare themselves homeless there. There is no need to build more houses on greenbelt or flood plains.
I'm far from being a bleeding-heart, soft-headed liberal, but this is very sad. How can such an advanced society allow people to live like this? I don't want people to choose a life on benefits, but neither do I want them forced to live on the streets or in caves. Surely there is a way of creating a safety net (for UK citizens only) that doesn't encourage a lifestyle on benefits. Perhaps vouchers for accommodation, food etc rather than cash.
O M G This is so bad. We have how many illegal,s coming into this country and I bet NONE of them are on the streets!! Look after our own FIRST!!
If the shortage of housing is that bad why is the government going to allow hundreds of thousands of immigrants from Eastern Europe to enter this country in six months time.
Meanwhile our political muppets continue to give away BILLIONS of pounds in foreign aid that we have to either print or borrow.
If that woman who was whining about having to manage in a 6 bedroom house freed up a couple of rooms, this couple could move in and pay towards the rent.
And yet apparently we can still accommodate millions more ??
how long before the torlies charge them rent for this goverment sponsored accomodation ,bed room tax should be paid as well
just because you live in a cave doesnt mean it has to be squaller, you can make anywhere a home obviously these people have no pride in anything thus there failure in life. its all about self control.
I want a cave!!!
If someone from the EU countries moves to another EU country to live then they are supposed to have a job or someone who will support them financially before that can move there. Clearly not the case with the UK as we can see. Of course a charity will step in and insist they must be housed and fed by UK tax payers. NO - they should be sent home. If any of these 'homeless' people are really Uk citizens then we really should be sorting those cases out.
The only thing the EU has done for Britain is turn it into a toilet! And unfortunately even previously upstanding folk are just being flushed down it
At least they have another home to go to!
The man pictured is from Estonia? How is he our problem? He came here, he can go back.
Hopefully those people thinking of coming to our country for some easy living will read this article and change their minds, we can't afford to take care of our own let alone foreigners.
Well done tony and cyclops oh yeah and that other waste of space prime minister we got now - who want's to flood the country with more of our desirable european chums.
With stagflation affording to keep a roof over one's head becomes harder and harder. Even if one has social housing the cost of rents, heating and council tax and food makes it hard to make ends meet if one is on a low income. That is the reality for many people. Some people who have worked all their lives but due to the down turn and robber barons who inflate the prices of the necessities of life now find they have insufficient income. Of course mr Cameron is proud we have so many food banks, I think he misses the point. Perhaps he is proud people are now living in caves, what an indictment on Modern Britain and our elitist politicians Labour and Condems. The plight of the poor working class does not move them they are too busy scoring points in their peurile debates and promoting the vested interests of the super rich.
the homeless Europeans should be rounded up and transported back to their home country. End of!!
Shameful this is tragic. No one should be denied food or shelter which are basic human rights.
He says nobody wants to see people living in caves. I have a differing veiwpoint. Instead of blighting what's left of our countryside with cheap tacky little houses, why not reduce the surplus population to manageable levels so that we all get a fair share, and a decent lifesyle.
Stop giving housing to any immigrant who has not fully worked and contributed for at least ten years.
And still we keep our boarders wide open for the world to come in. This is utterly disgraceful and the sooner we part company with the E.U. who are dictating to us that this is what we must do, the better.
If they have to live there why don't they at least tidy the place up, it's not that difficult.
Is it not because it suits their drug and alcohol fuelled life. Discuss.
And still this Government let thousands more into our Country that have no where to live and no money or jobs. This Country will look like a shanty town the way its going.
There is not enough room in the UK for all the millions of newcomers who were encourage in to the country by labour
Cameron is trying to kill the middle classes. Most of the small businesses, Shops, white collar workers. The tory TOFFS are trying to kill them off?
No body should be homeless, but if you hide in a cave nobody will know you are homeless therefore nobody can help. This country is becoming a disgrace on all levels, we need more safety net housing which supports people into work to be independent, and more affordable housing for those on low incomes such as supermarket workers....
They should still have a bit of respect and keep nature litter free. Clean home, clean mind, that's a start. It will only get better from there. How on earth can they better themselves if they sleep amongst rubbish. Make the best of what you've got, whats around you and better things will come.
Go home, it is not our job to look after the World.
It's because we're helping out other countries, and people from other countries, before helping our own people! I'm all for charity but it's meant to start at home isn't it?!
They may have chosen to live in a cave but they don't have to live in squalor.
What a sad state this country is now in. The gap between the rich and poor starting to widen again, I do think that money should not be sent abroad until we have solved our own problems here in our own country! It is good that attention has been brought to this, but the low-life now have been informed also and I hope it doesn't have bad consequences.
People who sleep on the street often choose to. Councils have a duty of care to house people who present themselves as homeless and have hostels. Do not feel sorry for people who choose to live this way it's their choice to go off grid. Those who do not choose are often in need of help by way of institutionalisation but today it is the lack of this type of help for the mentally ill that is the problem. Care in the community is a farce for some of these people and they end up on the streets mentally ill and no where to go. Building new houses isn¿t going to help these people.
He could go back to Estonia and his government can look after him!
But by all means cut benefits. Everything in life costs money and with no job and no help you can't afford food, clothes, toiletries to keep you clean, dental treatment, bus fares to the doctor...it's amazing how quickly life is reduced to merely existing.
And still our doors are open to the ever increasing numbers of people who want to come and live here, the vast majority of whom seem to find no problem in securing accommodation......But wait and see what happens when the other eastern Europeans are allowed to come here....As the saying goes, "You aint seen nothing yet."....Thanks a lot Blair, Brown and Cameron for ruining this once great country.
This will be a common site soon, especially with the ridiculous universal credit, bedroom tax and giving people their rent to pay themselves. Realistically how many people with addictions are going to pay their landlord?!
well done IDS and THE NEW NAZI TORY PARTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any room? I'll be joining you soon
I'm pretty sure you're not middle class if you're living in a cave DM...
And David Cameron has increased foreign aid spending whilst his own are starving and living in caves....not to worry i'm sure there will be some happy people in Africa!
Your comment: Are these vulnerable homeless peoples families (if they have a family) aware that you can't rent a private property if you are on benefits. There aren't enough council/ housing association properties available with long waiting lists. So where can homeless people go? My suggestion is that when a homeless person is genuinely homeless the council could loan them the rent for 6 months in advance which is how you can rent a private flat/ room (the law can change to offer grants). The money can be paid back once the homeless person has found a job, his/her self respect, and found their feet again. Homelessness is truly a situation where "But for the grace of God go I". I know of one letting agent which will not let to pensioners unless they were earning over £18,000 per year with their pension. There doesn't seem to be much compassion for people who have had genuine bad luck. Some people are victims of broken marriages due to partners alcoholism or violence.
Sickening ! These are true British people and before the red arrow brigade get started banging on about alchohol , drugs and their own fault etc remember the inflation proof foreign aid that the cretins in charge shovel abroad and also see all the incoming aliens are provided with social housing , benefits etc . There is nothing more shameful and the British people deserve a lot better than this .
We are in trouble as a nation when our people have to resort to sleeping in caves. Are we a civilised society or not?
We have a very generous Welfare State so there is no need for this.
And we still send £billions in aid to foreign dictators !! Good one Dave !!!!
This seems like the lodging we should provide to preachers of hate and division
I'm not really bothered if it is immigrants homeless because they can go back to their homelands and should not be entitled to access the British welfare system, just as we couldn't rock up in another Country and demand housing either. But there should be no British person who is homeless.
Why live on the street like this? Go and stick a brick through a window and get put into her Majesties Finest accommodation where you have everything you need including TV, Food, Education, a Gym, PS3 and so on. Think about it!
AT THE END OF THE WAR MANY GERMAN CIVILIANS CLAIMED TO HAVE NOT KNOWN WHAT WAS GOING ON IN GERMANY,,,,,,THEY HAD AN EXCUSE,,,THEY DID NOT HAVE THE INTERNET,,AND ALL THE COMMUNICATION ROUTES WE HAVE NOW,,,,WE HAVE NO EXCUSES,,,,,,WRITE TO YOUR MP,,,,,,OR PANTOMINE 'DAME IAIN' DUNCAN SMITH, WHO IS PAID £5,000 A WEEK TO RUN THE DWP/BENEFITS, HE ALSO GETS FREE USE OF A £2 MILLION MANSION......ASK HIM WHY
Why isn't this headline something like " Homeless and jobless man from Estonia has nowhere to go but live in a cold wild cave in the UK"? There are people from Eastern Europe living in bushes on the Common near where I live. Jonathon Billings from homeless charity Wellspring - DONT ask us to home ALL of these people!! We CANT do it! Our own cant find homes.
And overseas aid continues to flow. What about our own people Cameron?
But of course foreign aid is more important isn't it Dave? Oh, here's another country that hates us and wants to kill us all, we must give them lots of money. No hang on says Hague, it's more important to arm Al Qaeda in Syria and then after that here's another country we can bomb.
Well I am glad that we are sending billions in foreign aid to help them, oh, hang on, it's the UK! Hopefully the EU can send billions here to help us? Yeah right! Our poor country, it gets worse and worse
This is outrageous when asylum seekers are brought to this country and immediately given a council house, money, furniture, mobility allowance ...... Our priorities should be to house the people of this country.
I would not mind living in a cave for a while, the problem is that the jobsworth council would probably evict me.
we should have 1 bed stackable pods as low cost emergency accomodation for single brits who have paid into the system
This is so terribly sad and is a disgrace in a relatively affluent country. Over the last three years? humm, remind me what happened in the UK during 2010...
Read those figures folks and look to your Government. Shocking. What a legacy of their priorities. And don't fall for their classic trick of blaming the poor. The odds are stacked against all of us - IN EVERY AREA - except for the good old 1%.
All thanks to Thatcher- Major - Blair- Brown - Cameron. (That BBC )
Not to worry many will still believe it only happens to others.
"We're all in it together". What kind of sick society allows for this level of poverty and homelessness? One that is based partially on the lie of austerity, something that an American student exposed recently. Britain now stands somewhere between Brave New World and1984. Welcome to Dystopia.
Was this man homeless before he travelled half way across Europe to reach Stockport????
Crisis is misguided if it thinks the Government will build affordable homes. It will not. It has no interest in building affordable homes. Instead properties are built for 'executives' only affordable by foreigners especially in London, driving up house prices. Thatcher destroyed the idea of public housing by allowing all housing stock to be sold to tenants and none of the funds raised from the sales to go back into good quality affordable housing. Social housing stock now is what no one else wants to buy. And if you think 'half buy' schemes are easier - you are wrong. I used to work for a HA and getting on to these hen's teeth schemes is harder (and more expensive) than getting a mortgage. We turned people away with mortgages. So these homeless people would not be considered. And renting can be just as onerous to get into and expensive to pay for in public housing stock. The Government has no handle on rising homelessness as the impoverished don't fit with self interest.
'Leading homelessness charity Crisis has called for the Government to build thousands of new affordable homes in an attempt to tackle the burgeoning problem.' .. and when there is no more room we ..?
I suppose all the Roms and Buls will end up in caves here too.
What a world we live in. Heartbreaking.
So we have this here and our government does nothing to help.
Are these homeless people born and bred British people or are they the recently landed immigrants seeking a better life for themselves?
''Across the country, homelessness has risen by six per cent over the course of the past year, soaring by 34 per cent compared to three years ago''... ''An Estonian man is living in a network of caves in Stockport which is popular among the homeless''... how many of the 'new' homeless are 'foreigners ??
The UK is a modern vibrant society.
Homeless? No problem, Prince William is on your case as he supports homeless charities. Bit difficult to contact him though, could be at one of his three houses or on holiday- but keep trying!
This is disgusting.
Why then are not the councils doing something for these people, like giving them somwhere to live, or are their council properties reseved for immigrants..!!!
We live in far too wealthy a country to allow anyone to sleep on the streets.
Meanwhile the goverment is giving away billions , when the money is really needed here,charity begins at home Mr cameron
Class should have NOTHING to do with anything in modern society. It's a throwback we can well do without. The fact any of our own are homeless is a national disgrace, and class has nothing to do with it. The fact that immigrants arrive here and then claim homelessness is a completely different issue and to conflate the two is disingenuous and wrong.
The EU want the government to revert us into cave-dwellers, so this is the first step. How long till the council find a way of slapping council tax on it.
" He claimed that despite their lack of experience, ‘surly young men can turn into excited and motivated employees’. " Camo'd up and serving targets in Afghanistan, maybe.
I hope he's not on about me as I had my hoodie on yesterday as well as my coat - It was a bit on the cold side at Skegness, and I don't think he be over-keen on a pensioner (then again work till you drop comes to mind).
I employ 5 staff between the ages of 19 & 23. i employ young people that are polite, articulate, speak good English, have a pleasant personality and are willting to learn. They are offered college day release and I pay well above the minimum wage. I employ 2 Poles & 3 English. I am at present interviewing for another post and have interviewed 16 school leavers and only 2 of them are employable. Many come for an interview in jeans and trainers, all have O levels, but are not articulate and some of them have handwriting that looks like that of a 10 year old. Some were dressed smartly and looked good on paper but had little personality. I will interview 4 more on Monday. It's not just about qualifications, there is much more required than that and sadly many young people have few social skills and really don't know what good manners are.
Love that picture with that guy on the back of the PM. Very funny, and they want companies to employ people like him just because they are british.Ah! Ah! with that kind of attitude?????? Get real and stop talking nonsense and try to blame foreign workers. They are well behaved and want to work and that good for this country companies to have people who want to work..............
minus 35,000 = a drop of 0.1% down from a 12-year high of 8.4% to 8.3% a massive success!! Krug 1998 Clos du Mesnil anyone??? Grayling and his boss should be focusing on bringing industries back to the country who employ people.
Its a load of rubbish, they are still employing workers from the Eu first..My two grandsons goes for these so called jobs if there is any?..And who gets the employment first you guessed it the East Europeans...
"It's difficult enough employing anyone, let alone someone that does not really want to work. The welfare system is to blame, there should only be food stamps, NO MONEY, once people realised that they couldn't buy cigaretes and booze they would soon become employable again.- John, Warrington, 19/4/2012 17:32"----------------People like you are a big part of the problem and you're to thick to understand why.
Fancy having the title of 'Employment Minister' with figures like that to display, must be like being the 'Vegetarian Minister' in an abattoir.
The amount of people who I've had interview me this year who are incompetent for such a role is beggars belief. One interviewer couldn't stop playing with his iPhone when he interviewed me, I probably shouldn't have been surprised considering the fact that when I turned up, the woman who was meant to be interviewing me had taken the day off sick... If these are the type of people hiring our future workforce is it really any surprise that the young generation don't show their potential employers the respect they deserve?
Anybody who is going for a job should show that they are prepared to make some effort....ie dress smartly for the interview and ditch the hoodie. Jobs should go to the people who are most worthy of them and best qualified, either academically or in personal qualities.
It's difficult enough employing anyone, let alone someone that does not really want to work. The welfare system is to blame, there should only be food stamps, NO MONEY, once people realised that they couldn't buy cigaretes and booze they would soon become employable again.
Given the choice bertween an Eastern European, or any other overseas national, who had the intelligence to learn English and a British 'yoof' who can barely speak his mother tongue, which do you suspect an employer may hire?
Seems to everyone except the this government and the opposition That we are aware of what,s going on no more easy money No plan that works just. Diatribe and lies Stating the obvious !,, Time for UK. Spring!!!! And. U K. Summer!!!! Till they learn we know they know we know they don't give a TOSS!!!
Employs hoodie Go bust Becomes hoodie Go to hell!
What a pi**ock!
All you say is true, Mr Grayling, but why would anybody put themselves through that much trouble? Especially when staff are so expensive, thanks largely to national insurance and bureaucracy, and it's almost impossible to get rid of them again. Why take the risk?
When Ministers learn how to educate folk, maybe they'll become employable! Typical Minister of any party today; one who lies and cheats professionally...
Why would a person who values his business employ a grunting, semi-illiterate chav whose attitude is poor? The company where I work has advertised for an apprentice with a REAL opportunity to learn a trade. What do we get? Application forms so poorly written and full of grammatical and spelling mistakes you would think they were written by a 5 year old. Two lads invited for interview didn't even bother to show up. They didn't have the courtesy to even phone up to say they wouldn't be coming. The attitude of these people is appalling. My son is 18 and I would be deeply ashamed if he was like that.
Melanie Jane Russell, Caversham, READING, 19/4/2012 13:06 - I'd rather employ someone with poor grammar but a good attitude to life than someone who's only there because they've had their benefits cut and would spend the day staring out of the window. If they turned up.
unfortunately they wont because the are cheaper to employ but dont realise they save their wages and send the money or take it back to the country where they come from and instead of spending their wages in the uk it gets spent in their country making our economy weaker and theirs stronger. but ceo and directors know better. robert, saltash, 19/4/2012 11:00------- I see what you mean. You think they should spend over here, all the money they earn over here? That's one of the things that annoy me about Brits living in the sunshine and in receipt of benefits not just the state pension, but also the winter fuel allowance and spending it over there in the sunshine. What a waste of fuel allowance when there are people over here unable to afford their energy bills while that lot are sitting on a sun-bed!
Many posters on this forum are highly critical of the employability skills of young people. Their own comments, however, are often rambling and littered with spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors. Perhaps they should put their own house in order before judging other people. I certainly would not employ them to undertake administrative work. - Melanie Jane Russell, Caversham, READING, 19/4/2012 13:06..........Yes malinee wee will build a stong aconnomie on "administritive work". P.S I sometime get my spelling wrong, I live dangerously without spell checking. It's not how you spell, it's the point of view or comment that is important. I would rather live in a world of decent human beings than spelling facisists.
The biggest threat to stable and secure employment in this country is the one that is never addressed by any politician from any party, and that is the meteoric rise in job agencies. This allows firms to have a worker that they have no real responsibility for, and for the agencies to make very easy money. If my company continuously employed a self employed person we could be hit with a massive fine as they would be deemed to be fully and wholly employed by me. But put that under the umbrella of agency work and that same person could go to the same place of work for years. Get paid a pittance, have no rights to paid holidays, sick pay and everything thing else that comes with being employed by a company. These practices need to be audited and if it is found that a company has used agency workers to carry out a role within that company for more than 3 months and is not found to be covering for an absence they should be made to employ someone on a permanent basis.
If we're assuming that 'hoodies' are the young generation who stand around in groups on the streets, intimidate others, form gangs, commit crimes, take drugs, and generally have more interest in who's saying what on social network sites than going out and working then I have a suggestion for Mr Grayling: How about giving more help to those who have worked, want to work and have found themselves out of work (through no fault of their own) because incompetent 'politicians' like you don't know how to run the country? Most of us are fed up with the 'let's bow down to those who don't even want to help themselves' attitude. Start by only rewarding good morals and you might not have a problem with hoodies much longer.
Many posters on this forum are highly critical of the employability skills of young people. Their own comments, however, are often rambling and littered with spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors. Perhaps they should put their own house in order before judging other people. I certainly would not employ them to undertake administrative work.
It is not the task of employers to act as the government's social workers. Happen the likes of Chris Grayling actually ran a business instead of being paid an enormous salary, with extremely attractive non-accountable expenses, and speaking of things well beyond his simple ability to understand, he might realize that the "easy" solution is that when an applicant is experienced and willing to give his/her all, whilst so many of those HE feels should be given the chance find it difficult to even get out of bed ... rarely make it in on time, IF they come in at all, and don't give a toss about the job anyway... exactly where is there a choice? You want to train them, Chris? Start the training at school, and then open training centres... and don't tell me it's not the government's job... they already employ several hundred unemployables... and call it parliament!
Oh we have had two nights sleep since he was saying British Youngsters are thick idle and scroungers - has he had a change of mind in TWO days?
they will nick everything and bring down your already disgruntle business down to its knee. Mr get people who are currently out of work back into work rather concentrating on a lost generation who pointing guns at you.
Will the government & press please, please stop branding & labelling people by what they are wearing. My teenage son has been wearing hoodies since he was a toddler. They are a versatile piece of casual clothing, now demonised by gov, press & others. He wears smart uniform to school & smart clothes to weddings & funerals, but casually he loves to wear hoodies, chinos & jeans. He is respectful of others & removes his cap or hood when indoors. I am well aware that hoodies have been worn by some when committing crime, thus making it is difficult to identify them. My friend has a neighbour who regularly wears hoody, during the day, also when working on his garden & allotment, he 79 years old. So please stop all the demonising of hoodies.
'Hire a hoodie': Minister calls on firms to give work to local youths'------------- So how many have been taken on at Tory Central Office?
The only time this lot of public school toffs are bothered about the unemployed figures is when an election is looming. Just the same as the last Tory 18years government of mass unemployment!
Why is cameron not working for his supposed EMPLOYER, the PEOPLE. SACK HIM.
The unemploment figures are down because it is harder to claim now , how many people are unemployed but not claiming any benefits , pure spin by the nasty party.
I like the picture highlighting the cast system. If the babies were swapped at birth it would be cameron wearing the hood.
unfortunately they wont because the are cheaper to employ but dont realise they save their wages and send the money or take it back to the country where they come from and instead of spending their wages in the uk it gets spent in their country making our economy weaker and theirs stronger. but ceo and directors know better. - robert, saltash, 19/4/2012 11:00------ I think this is what you call redistribution of wealth from the workers of one country to the poorer people of another which gives their economy a boost with the influx of what should have been your money / wages.
- Charlie W, gloucestershire, 19/4/2012 9:46 "The tories, don't want to fix it because they represent the employer class." Some good comments Charlie, but that one is totally wrong. It's the Tories who've been fighting against the entrenched Left leaning 
Until the average wage in Eastern Europe rises above approx £42 per week this problem will not be reduced. Employers just love this unlimited supply of cheap labour and foreign workers are more than happy to be exploited. Lets face it if someone offered me a job in Poland to sweep a factory floor at £2000 per week I would give it consideration!
If I wanted to go out of business, yes.
If someone wearing jeans and trainers walked into my place of business and asked for a job I would laugh at them. This is the most absurd statement I've ever heard. Why would a business employ someone who is more than likely going to be a liability over someone who is experienced and much more trustworthy? UK Teenagers are a disgrace with absolutely no work ethic. Look at the strikes when tuition fees went up, they expect others to pay for their lifestyles and think the world owes them a living. Bring back national service, that should sort them out!
Looking at the youth of today their attitude to everyone around them who in their right mind would trust them, i would not give them the time of day.
Stop paying ludicrous subsidies to companies to employ who they like. Because the government will go to extraordinary lengths to pay for a foreign company to come here, you would expect that the company would take on some long term unemployed but the opposite is the case. The government is discriminating against the long term unemployed.
You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. You can give a youngster a job, but you can't make them work. Unfortunately, more immigrants are prepared to give a good day's work for a day's pay than a good many British youngsters. Before I am accused of being anti-British youth, I am not saying ALL, but a high proportion.
fiddling the unemployment figures. now where have i seen that before? oh yes,last time we had a tory govmnt!
There are plenty of young people who aren't hoodies, who deserve a decent job. Indeed there are plenty of British people of all ages who could do excellent work if companies would bother to employ them. The company I worked for destroyed itself by employing East Europeans (literally - their lack of knowledge and lack of interest lost us so many customers that all our jobs went). Employing East Europeans and denigrating our own people became a fashion in British business, and it's time this stupidity ended. British companies need to get a grip on reality, and also take some responsibility for the economy of this country. It's in their own interests to do that, anyway.
What a idiot employers should employ who they want to,let the hoodies work in his house . jon cheam
Re the picture with the "PM" and "hoodie", at least the hoodie is a honest representation of himself.
How many MPs i wonder on ALL sdes of the house employ or have employed non british child minders drivers, cleaners, gardeners, cooks, painters, plumbers, security ,need i go on I wonder just how many of my right honrable gentlemen have or do???????? ukip voter
unfortunately they wont because the are cheaper to employ but dont realise they save their wages and send the money or take it back to the country where they come from and instead of spending their wages in the uk it gets spent in their country making our economy weaker and theirs stronger. but ceo and directors know better.
This whole thing is degrading to people who wear hoodies, I am currently wearing a hooded garment and to this day I have never pulled a face and pointed an imaginary gun at the prime minister... At the same time x
Myth of the day no one form the East wears a hoodie or speaks pigeon English, Myth of the week, everyone from the East comes here to work. And Myth of the year, we are enriched as Nation etc etc. LetÂ’s see the figues showing how much we pay in handouts to our friends from the East, letÂ’s have real facts please.
Why should the British be given priority in Britain, oh yes I remember now – BECAUSE ITS THEIR BLOODY COUNTRY
Employers who at the moment employ eu workers won't be having an epiphany after this request from this fool, they will continue to do what they think is best for their own ends, not the country's, change needs to come from our catatonic politicians, I won't hold my breath.
I would guess - and it's only my guess - that Mr Grayling said to hire a British youth and someone at the DM, with a nice cushy job, decided to amend that to "Hire a Hoodie."
There are no quick fixes for this because it has been building up over a number of year with, at least, three basic problems: 1. The virtual destruction of our education system by political zealots have produced generations of young people who are just not attractive to employers. 2. The dismantling of our manufacturing base means there is no real prospect of jobs for the type of people who used to make up the old blue collar workers. 3. The relentless build up of the welfare state to a point where there is an obvious benefits culture that compounds the other two problems. The tories, don't want to fix it because they represent the employer class. The socialists, who have been the worst traitors to the working classes ever, don't want to fix it because they hope that the problem will add to their support base and keep them in the game. The lib/dems are are interested only in power at any price and consequently can/should be ignored. Only thing left to do is vote UKIP.
As Pugh's brilliant cartoon illustrates perfectly, it is total nonsense to brand all British unemployed as recalcitrant hoodies. No Government can simultaneously believe in the free-market, and express a desire that the British should be given priority for jobs, without looking either hypocritical or stupid.
Companies say that they have to employ 'experienced' people so that incomers get jobs and young Brits dont. So (a) How do the countries from where they come get THEIR experienced staff and (b) How did our businesses and industries manage before this new and wholely artificial situation arose. Well historically companies (then mostly British owned and staffed) reflected the national interest and took young school leavers into employment whilst providing funding and time to let the young learn on the job and become reliable and experienced employees. Now these same companies want ready made employees off the shelf and have no regard from where they come. Although we are all subject to the same EU laws it is clear that our closest neighbours like France and Germany still rightly give preference to their nationals in this matter amongst others.
The main problem is minimum wage and cash in hand.
Can you get the attribution of the "Hug A Hoodie" quote correct please? When David Cameron, in a speech touching on problem youngsters, referred to the fact that all too many of our ferral youngsters lack real love from parents etc in their lives, then Labour Minister, Vernon Croaker, responded with "Haw haw haw! He wants us to Hug A Hoodie!" Given the fact that a substantial amount of the problems with ferral young people today were exacerbated, if not actually triggered by Left wing policies, it is Croaker who should be mocked for the statement.
'Grayling' Sounds like the names of some deep water species that knows nothing about life on the surface, Mmm? I think I will leave it at that!
Our education system has a lot to answer for if it is producing those who are unfit for work or unwillingh to take jobs. As for employing East Europeans we should leave the E C so that the flow of such workers is cut off - we do not have the housing nor the infrastructure to cater for migrant workers from Europe or anywhere else.
Businesses are not run to give chances, they are there to make a profit against all odds. Nobody has a right to a job, and no employer need give anyone a job. You earn the right to work by being the most suitable for any vacant position, many things are taken into consideration, qualifications, experience, attitude, character, ability to learn new skills all have to be assessed because its so difficult to sack anybody once they are set on they have to many rights and all the time play the rights game forgetting all about the responsibility game. The young come looking for work they can barely read or write, attend an interview looking like they have just got out of bed, how can you teach people like this or how can they learn if they don,t have any numeracy or literacy skills. To me it says in school you didn,t want to learn, what will be different if you where to work for me, The teachers do their best but if these people don,t want to learn,..... Chickens are now coming home to roost
Of course we have high unemployment - and it's here to stay as long as the Government continues to encourage women to have cildren through financial incentives. When will politicians understand WE DO NOT NEED TO GROW THE POPULATION! There are no labour intensive industries about any more - not like in the 1940's when having children benefits were introduced. Technology has overtaken the need for vast numbers of people tpo produce and provide services. Unemployment will stay on the agenda for ever unless politicians see sense. Bobby, Leicester
Lies ,Damn Lies and .................TORY GOVERNMENT STATISTICS ?!!!!!
This man is so out of touch. What a trite comment "hire a hoodie" is. If you people out there don't vote for change- ukip- you have to be out of your tiny minds.
How about if these hoodies ditched their "cool and streetwise" clothing when turning up for an interview and made an effort to look reasonably smart and presentable instead? As one should when going for a job interview. Creates a positive first impression and shows seriousness on the part of the candidate.
The Grayling version of a job advert - Wanted young people, Hoodie's preferred, foreigners need not apply - Out of touch? off his tiny mind more like it.
Employers hire the best candidates for the job. Its as simple as that. It's funny that most of people (from politicians to many DM keyboard readers/experts) advising employers who they should or shouldn't hire, haven't got a clue about running a business and employing people.
Wanted businesses that want to go bankrupt, Simply call your local MP for more details.
Typical Tory ,COMPLEEEEETLY out of touch with real life
FALSE FIGURES
Businesses will hire whoever will do the work for the least amount of money. Polish and other Eastern European countries have a lower standard of living and wages in their home country and they won't pay UK rip off prices, so guess who that will be.
Charles, London. You must be able to get some form of work? Even if you volunteer it would get you working. How about working in a shop, bar, local newsagents? Anything to get out of the benefits system.
If that was my boy I'd smack him six ways from Sunday!
With one third of the unemployed being 18 to 24 year olds I wonder if this group are over or under represented in Mr Grayling's own department - I suspect there are very few youngsters in Westminster and he would not know the answer if asked. Out of touch, badly advised and no understanding of the damage being done to the future of our country but on the other hand - the rhetoric factory has never been so productive!
That's the least they can do as Cameron hugs them.
Idiot.
The figures cover the pre and post Christmas periods when temporary jobs are around so no lasting comfort there. Asking company's to hire one group in preference to another openly encourages discrimination which is illegal under our own laws and where will that lead to? Don't get me wrong I want every bit of help for our 'desperate to work' young people but the divisive nature, policy's and language of this administration is not helping.
Martian/Mars-I see you are in the right place!
bringing it down, Hampshire , 19/4/2012 03:25=== you are spot on with this poor attitude and lazy way of speaking ...the idea that you can be 15 forever has got to be stopped ...secondly ...isnt this guy the same one who a couple of days ago said that all kids were lazy ? and thats why they were unemployable ???? thirdly , we shouldnt tar all the youths with the same bursh , unfortunately it gets harder to seperate the wheat from the chaff BUT its worth it .... we can not go on with the attitude that we can import skills we have to give them a chance ...i suggested a few years ago trade schools which took kids from 14 with three days pratcial and skills based education and two days maths english and a science .... we treat them like employed people they clock in and out and are penalised for missed days or lateness ( trips extra will not be avaliable) we give them the basic skills , find out iof they enjoy the trade and which one ..then employers have someone ready and aware
Hug a Hoodie? Hire a Hoodie? What on earth is this ridiculous government ON? Are they taking Silly Pills? Delusion Pills, Out of Touch Pills?, I'm from the Planet Gaga Pills? Hey, here's a crazy idea Cons and LIMPdems...try coming in to the REAL world where REAL people with REAL problems live. Try it, go on just TRY it. You'd last 2 minutes before you fled back into your little fluffy pink cushioned lives. Shame on you all in government. I joined UKIP yesterday. Something I thought I'd NEVER do. I was so fed up with talking about it, that I actually did the deed. Roll on the next election. Cons will be out, Labour (because of Millie) will be in 2nd place and the FIBdems will be wiped off the political map for EVER.
Its very sad that our youth seem to be constantly vilified by the press and a minority of the public. Yes I fully accept that we do have problems, as in past generations we always have had. Chris Grayling is in actual fact 'correct'. We should give our own young people a chance simply because there are very very many that are well deserving and hard working. My son and his friends are currently studying for their A-levels and working very hard. We have got to stop this persistent 'stigmatisation' of our young people. I also fully believe that 'local' people should have the opportunity to take the 'local' job before the immigrant if they are fitting, capable, qualified for the role and willing. For info. I have a couple of jackets that have fitted 'hoods'................does this make me a 'hoodie'? I am 50 years old and in the current weather I have made full use of my 'hoodie'.
My son was made redundant just before Christmas and despite applying for hundreds of jobs has not managed to get one yet. He has worked all his llife from his first paper round at 13 and feels at 35 he is on the scrapheap. He has started doing voluntary work just to be doing something instead of sitting at home so that he instills in his children the need to work. He is a single parent and does not want his children to think it is a good thing to be unemployed, He would give his right arm for a job.
Give me a Slovakian, Lithuanian, Pole any day ! Their work ethic is far superior to any British hoodies - I wouldn't waste my time - I have lost all faith in providing jobs to British hoodies ! They are constantly late, use sickness as annual leave, frequently leave work early, drink too much tea, and at weekends don't turn up for work due to being out on the town the previous night with fellow hoodies - who also don't turn up for work! I can't afford to give jobs to these wasters - they dont know how to work!
I am unemployed and have been so for NINE years.....I have tried so many times and for so many different types of work....I am now classed as " over qualified" and "over experienced"..I cant even get a Job serving a big Mac! I feel as if I have been swept under the carpet and forgotten. Considering the huge number of people in similar circumstances its no wonder so many of us suffer from acute depression.
The true unemployment figures are also masked by the additional unemployed who can't claim anything because they have a spouse or partner who works - I know several people in this camp, all in their 30's and 40's, so how many more hidden unemployed are there?
This hire a hoodie is nice and all but what about the generation currently in our late 20's? We faced the exact same problems as the youth now, when we were 18, no one would give us a chance either. Guess what? We still aren't given a chance, so are we the lost generation then? Too old to get funding for an apprenticeship and too young to have even gained any experience in anything. Oh but wait, i forgot, going by the usual comments we're supposed to move to another part of the country where their is work or emigrate, well unlike eastern europeans we havent got anyone to pay for our travel or for anywhere to live so cant move. Passport costs nearly £100 so cant afford that either and what experience are we supposed to provide? Just open a dignitas clinic in the UK and lets be done with it because lets face it what hope is their.
How does a lunatic like this man ever get to the position he has coming out with comments like this. If this is the calibre of politician that is supposed to get the country back on it,s feet then the UK really is finished.
From a man who knows all there is to know about work !
Here is a story from an old time prison officer about habitual offenders. The Duck & The Scorpion The Duck & the Scorpion where at one side of the lake when the Scorpion says to the Duck I could do with a lift to the other side, could I jump on your back? The Duck says but you will string me and we will both drown... So they agree and set off half way across the Scorpion stings the Duck to which he says 'Why did you do that you promised'. The Scorpion simply stated 'Its in my nature'.
Can't really think of a good comment about "hiring a hoodie", but if I could the sentence would include words like: scorn, ridicule, contempt, disbelief, deceit, distrust and it would end with 'absolutely no way'.
I was in a supermarket queue earlier today and there were 3 yoofs loitering at the side of the queue only one of them was gonna buy something I heard him say he'd just got out of a cell at the local police station "I thought dey wuz gonna charge me init" then one of the others said I'm glad you got out cuz I wanted someone to blaze wiv" ie go and smoke some cannabis together, it's this attitude and way of talking as if they're from some inner London ghetto that keeps them unemployable, most companies these days have a mandatory medical before you start and by "blazin da herb init" there not going to be passing any drug test prior to gaining employment. IMO there should be drug screening at the job centre 1 so that people sent for interviews are not a health and safety risk 2 so that we can get to the root cause of a number of long term unemployed peoples inability to find and keep employment. 3 so that the taxpayer isn't financing the next "BLAZE INIT"
I know people won't believe it , but in the 50's and 60's , even the bluntest knife in the drawer , had the expectation of a job . How things have changed , and not for the better !!
Somewhere along the line , education in the UK seemed to only prepare people to go onto to Uni . It needs a complete rethink where those that shouldn't be going to Uni are given an education that prepares them for the work force . Can't see it happening though - there appears to be little will to do this .
I was in a supermarket queue earlier today and there were 3 yoofs loitering at the side of the queue only one of them was gonna buy something I heard him say he'd just got out of a cell at the local police station "I thought dey wuz gonna charge me init" then one of the others said I'm glad you got out cuz I wanted someone to blaze wiv" ie go and smoke some cannabis together, it's this attitude and way of talking as if they're from some inner London ghetto that keeps them unemployable, most companies these days have a mandatory medical before you start and by "blazin da herb init" there not going to be passing any drug test prior to gaining employment. IMO there should be drug screening at the job centre 1 so that people sent for interviews are not a health and safety risk 2 so that we can get to the root cause of a number of long term unemployed peoples inability to find and keep employment. 3 so that the taxpayer isn't financing the next "BLAZE INIT"
No wonder this country is in the state it is. 'Hug a hoodie'. says it all.
This is rubbish unemployment down? More like the opposite there are more people unemployed then last year. If this was the case I would be seeing more people having jobs now. I have a friend who has been looking for a bit of work for the last year and cannot find a thing and the job center does not help at all. I went there with her one time and the woman was so rude she wrote how much jobs she looked for that week and it was more than 15 yet this adviser started threatening to cancel her claim just because she never gave CV's into shops and just applied online for them which is what most shops tell you to do now, then she said she has to come in all the time to "keep a eye" on her. They do not help people find jobs all they do is bully and threaten people knowing they have the power to stop people from getting there money and that is one of the reason why the unemployment rate is quite high. They should be helping people by ringing companies and setting up interviews for people.
Excuse me gentlemen but Cumbria IS the NORTH WEST. It is only lumped in with the Geordies to hide the true abysmal employment and other statistics. though the Scoucers and the Manc's may not like this they are NOT northerners they are MIDLANDERS What we need in our area is an MP who is active in representing the area and not himself within his party.
The Cameron's nanny is from Eastern Europe , I understand.
Sorry but I find Cameron's 'Hire a hoodie' comment quite offensive. Its comments like that why employers dont want to employ young people like me because he's basically suggesting that most young people are thugs and bullies when its not the case. Am 19 and black and I dont go around wearing my pants to my butt or wearing hoodies because am in a gang. I work hard and am looking for a job at the moment so I can earn a living because unlike some I know who are lazy and just want free money without working.
Am fed up of people saying people who are unemployed are lazy yes I agree some of them are and just want to live on benefits but others are not and really want to work. I am 21 and currently unemployed and I have been in and out of work for the last year this is because all the jobs I could find are temporary and when the contract finishes am back to where I started again. I saved up a lot of money from the temporary jobs so I wouldn't have to be on JSA when they finished but because I still haven't found a job since Christmas which was when I had my last job my savings where running low and my mum was struggling with the bills so I had no choice but to sign on. I absolutely hate the job center and hate going there because I know I could do so much better but I just cant find any work out there. Ive applied for so many places but no response from any am still looking everyday because I want to get off that JS as soon as possible. I am not lazy and actually prefer working for my money.
Did Cameron hug the 'Hoodie' behind him, fingers cocked in the sign of a gun, expletives coming from his mouth and other hand down his pants? Yeah good luck with hiring THAT....
What an awful lot of Internet rage.I Liive in Cheshire, I was born in Bradford - I love London - it's only individuals that's create hostility. Doesn't matter if you are rich, poor, living in the right post code, moving on up or on your way down. Post codes are not responsible for failure. Anyone can move where they want to and achieve what they want, if you do not make it the buck stops with you. This doesn't mean everyone will be top executives - you should always strive to be the best and make a career out of what you enjoy and what you are good at. My Dad is sheet Metal fabricator and he has Reached the top of his field I am so proud of that. I am a Company Director - doesn't make me better, just different.
tried two youngsters in my buisness and they stole from the company,never again
If we want our country to improve we need employers to hire our British youth. Otherwise what future do they have and what future will our country have. Imagine getting ready to leave school and to be thinking,' nobody will want to employ me because I was born here'. That's just crazy.
One thing Labour has done to get back into power is to stop Ed Balls talking ... pity they can not do the same to Chris Grayling. All activists are all on Green Light for everything that doesn't really matter since the biggest and most deliberate crime in this country is Ageism and that drops from Politicians like dandruff or it did from Labour like expenses. People are deliberately forced out of work more in this country than any other under the regime started by Tony Blair and Co. Hundreds of thousands of non-EU people brought in because the Independent IT guys gave Tony Blair a bloody nose and once you cross Tony who never stops throwing a tantrum unless you have something on him. All these attacks on people in this country are from Labour and the Labour lookalikes ... Liberals to you.
If they stopped wearing the hoodies n wire something more for an interview they would most likely would be given a job
If that's what he "thinks" then he's out of touch. Eastern Europeans are more skilled and less bothersome to employ than most "youth" in jobs such as construction, joinery and carpentry. There is also the issue that most of these so called "youth" view too many jobs as "below" them. It's why some employers have no option but to go for illegal or European labor. The best example is farm yard workers and farmers assistants - most are Eastern European because they look at it as pay rather than a job.
All these comments about "lazy youths", I work with two men in their thirties and fifties who are absolutely bone idle. They take a day off with so much as a sneeze, they go out for a fag every 5 minutes and if they miss the bus they don't get a taxi, they go home and don't even bother calling. I'm 21, I'm the longest working person at the company and I have yet to take a day off sick. I had a bad cold last week but because I wasn't bed ridden I came in and did what I could. I do what I'm asked. Comments about young people being lazy infuriate me when middle aged adults I've worked with are WORSE. They think the world owes them something and therefore they don't have to work, just turn up (or not turn up in my case). This demonising of young people has to stop, it's not doing anyone any favours.
Yes, I'd love to hire the hoodie-wearing genitals-caressing-in-public murder-by-pistol-simulating thug in the photo...
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year - Charlie, Camden Town, London, 18/4/2012 22:35 I had a big dump this morning and looked in the toilet, and it occurred to me it must be what living in London is like, only less smelly and dirty. - yourehavinalaugh, uk, 18/4/2012 23:08 zzzz...zzzzz....zzzz...yawn yawn yawn - Felicity, Highgate, London, 18/4/2012 23:26 Your witty, ever thought of being comedienne ? You'd just need to stand there, honest.
I thought all people were created equal regardless of where one comes from. Are we moving backwards instead of progressing?
Cameron says, 'Hug a Hoodie' Hoodie says, 'Let's riot.....' 'Muhaha!'
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year - Charlie, Camden Town, London, 18/4/2012 22:35 I had a big dump this morning and looked in the toilet, and it occurred to me it must be what living in London is like, only less smelly and dirty. - yourehavinalaugh, uk, 18/4/2012 23:08 another sad old git who doesn't bother to wash his hands after visiting the toilet no doubt! - Charles, Westminster, London, 18/4/2012 23:28 You wash your hands in the toilet, yuck your weird !! Explains the smell though.
Why doesnt he employ one to be his skivvy if he's that bothard about the unemployment rates, Saying that he's got a nerve after saying that youth in this country havn't got the get up & go like the Europeans have, or has he forgot what he said already
British jobs for British workers!!!!
Depends on what job really in my role you need at least a degree in the relevant subject, plus a portfolio to show you can do what you say you can. And even then that's for a trainee position on peanuts. Stuck at this industry for over a decade now and loving it, specially the pay rises and bonuses.
I dunno if i'm allowed to say this but i'd much rather be served in a shop by a european rather than a hoodie-wearing youth Foreingers have more manners... - Jay, London, 18/4/2012 23:26 - I had to smile at this Jay, you should come to the West Mids, the foreigners here also wear hoodies, they sure know how to blend in..... all very confusing..........until they open there mouths and you can't understand them. Hooded foreigners eh? What ever next?!
Give these jobs to people from India who are very hard working and are not expensive, Britain must give more visas for Indian people to help them work in Britain - Martaka, Kerala, India, 18/4/2012 22:37 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No. I just spent an incomprehensible hour and a half trying to talk you a call center based in India. The accents were so thick you could cut them with a knife. I finally gave up and said "thanks, bye". My problem isn't fixed and I had to give people in some other country my personal information. Let India hire its own people. Bring the jobs back here from overseas, cut off the benefits checks and tell them to work or starve. I will await the red arrows.
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year - Charlie, Camden Town, London, 18/4/2012 22:35 I had a big dump this morning and looked in the toilet, and it occurred to me it must be what living in London is like, only less smelly and dirty. - yourehavinalaugh, uk, 18/4/2012 23:08 another sad old git who doesn't bother to wash his hands after visiting the toilet no doubt!
every one needs jobs the gov must stop foreign students working they came here to learn not work also make European workers pass a hard English test this will provide thousands of job opportunity and make it easier to find a job
I dunno if i'm allowed to say this but i'd much rather be served in a shop by a european rather than a hoodie-wearing youth Foreingers have more manners...
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year - Charlie, Camden Town, London, 18/4/2012 22:35 I had a big dump this morning and looked in the toilet, and it occurred to me it must be what living in London is like, only less smelly and dirty. - yourehavinalaugh, uk, 18/4/2012 23:08 zzzz...zzzzz....zzzz...yawn yawn yawn
You don't need to employ hoodies or Eastern Europeans if you want to save a few bob. You can just hire only women who apparently get paid less than men. Be financial suicide for any company not to do so.
I would personally hire Europeans and pay them twice as much as the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving Brits who believe the world owes them a living. Europeans know the meaning of the word 'graft'. I doubt whether the Brits can spell it. - I say what I like and I like what I say., Yorkshire, 18/4/2012 21:25 But you don't because you're a sad poor old bitter individual. Keep saving for that tin of baked beans.
I needed new windows for my house and contacted many english companies in the London area. None of these companies were interested to get the job! I was more than happy to find this very nice and helpful parkistani guy who installed high quality windows made in Germany. The polish builders were very professional and made a brilliant job! Now I need tailor made blinds.. And the nightmare starts again... No one (incl. Paul Simon or UK Blinds) is interested in my order. I am going to order them in Germany...
Pay people not to work. Make it impossible for schools to teach anything useful. Allow unlimited immigration. Expect someone else to make that all better. Saves all that tedious business of fixing the country. Like cutting benefits, imposing standards of discipline, setting up a curriculum that makes sense, stopping immigration, etc.
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year - Charlie, Camden Town, London, 18/4/2012 22:35 I had a big dump this morning and looked in the toilet, and it occurred to me it must be what living in London is like, only less smelly and dirty.
I work in an inner city London Borough which offers a trainee programme for young people and it is a great sucess. At the moment we have two young people in the office; they are hard working, reliable and punctual. So I say given the young people a chane you might actually be pleasantly surprised!!!
I employ around 35 people in the uk 28 of them eastern European... I have tried over the last 6/7 years to find a balance between British workers and Europeans they eastern Europeans have worked out so much better for me work ethic time keeping the works,so much so ,that if I had to rely on British workers only ,I would not have a business I would not hit my production targets due to the fact that the youth of our society want everything for nothing minimal work rate terrible reliability and attitude almost as if they are doing you a favour when they do turn up...it all comes down to discipline our lot just don't have it they do!!!and they are better for it...nothing would please me more than having all British staff but I don't see that happening unless there is massive reform on education policing and benefits so the schools are actually producing employable people nor work shy free loaders
When the unemployed numbers rose by millions under Thatcher, a lot were moved to Incapacity Benefit to hide the problem. Sadly, it resulted in a generation of people who have never worked except for some cash in hand jobs on the side. Now we reap what Thatcher sowed in the name of popularity. Many thousands of young people who have never seen a parent work, it is NOT the fault of the present younger generation. The answer lies in the period 1979 to 1997.
@- I say what I like and I like what I say., Yorkshire....I pay a fair whack, like all employers are obliged to do by law. But the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving, work-shy Brits aren't even worth the minimum wage - when they can be bothered to get out
some of the peoples comments on this article are thick,nasty, eroneous, callous and lies. the majority of people unemployed are desperate to work and calling them all lazy is pathectic lies. on the local news people have been applying for a number of jobs but havent been successful. these young people dont want to live on a paltry £56 a week benefit. dozens of people are applying for every job vacancy available. people attacking the unemployed show some consideration and look at the facts. your comments could come back to haunt you the future is bleak.
Why doesn't hire one himself. Don't put a good thing past yourself
Perhaps if the unelected government tried making driving a real professional career then we could have better employment all over the UK and a sustainable future rather than the potential shortage issues we currentlt face. A career for the younger people and an acheiveable future, who would have thought it? not this lot.
Hire a hoodie? What about those who go to school, complete a levels and btecs, have a degree and a masters and extensive work 'experience' and are still unemployed... Umm that's a thought... Good luck to all those job hunting. Like me! The hard work will pay off in the end!
Give these jobs to people from India who are very hard working and are not expensive, Britain must give more visas for Indian people to help them work in Britain
@- I say what I like and I like what I say., Yorkshire....I pay a fair whack, like all employers are obliged to do by law. But the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving, work-shy Brits aren't even worth the minimum wage - when they can be bothered to get out
Looked out of window today and it was grey, cloudy and pouring down with rain, then thought this must be what it's like for people up north everyday of the year
Why would anyone want to live up north? They're all so poor and take too many benefits from Londoners
Wonder if Grayling would employ one around his home?
Why not just stop letting foreign workers in? Oh, I forgot, we're not allowed to control our own borders.
Look at that hoodie behind Cameron in that picture, would you want to hire that !!!
Unfortunately with Europe's unemployed growing if Britain improves it's lot ;we will have a flood of Spanish. Portuguese and Italians crowding out the local youth in the job market. We need to leave the EU and look after those already hear. Otherwise the people here will remain on the dole as the jobs go to foreign workers. Grayling knows he is on a hiding to no where and he can't do a thing about it. Why! because we aren't in charge of our own destiny and we don't make many decisions. The EU decides for us...
I wish they would stop linking hoodies with young people, I mean there are only a tiny amount of thugs (and wear hoodies) in comparison to those that are not thugs and also wear hoodies.
@- I say what I like and I like what I say., Yorkshire I would personally hire Europeans and pay them twice as much as the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving Brits who believe the world owes them a living. Europeans know the meaning of the word 'graft'. I
Keeping it classy in the second picture with the hand in the pants and the other doing the finger...
If you add up all the perks Eastern Europeans get from us, they are not such a good deal, we are frebee UK to them. GET OUT OF EU, CLOSE OUR BORDERS AND EMPLOY OUR OWN PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cracking idea
a lot of these Eastern European workers are not experience should seen mess they did of kitchen and bathroom here. Also not all young people are hoodies who are lazy.
One thing that I will recommend to Grayling and the Government is to restructure the entry to employment system for all and thus bring back the nations work ethic. I read about the apprenticeship system in Germany which works for all classes of the unemployed. Whereas we worry about our state of class position in the work place with graduates beliving they don't deserve menial jobs and should have graduate positions and school leavers looking for local jobs starting from the bottom German youths go onto a universalsal apprenticeship system compatible for both graduates and school leavers. It's even open to school drop outs like hoddies and chavs thus eliminating youth unemployment problems and the benefits over there are restricted to just 18 months at a time.
@- I say what I like and I like what I say., Yorkshire I would personally hire Europeans and pay them twice as much as the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving Brits who believe the world owes them a living. Europeans know the meaning of the word 'graft'. I
Simple solution, pay more money, the minimum wage is not going to excite anyone, why work anyway when the theives in power take it all away from you again.
Note May 3 2012 is `Terminate a Tory` day Change then will happen
Stop their benefits and repossess their houses and property, put them in labour camps on bread and water and they'll soon decide to get jobs instead. - MrMickRoach, England, 18/4/2012 19:43 Stalin! We all thought you were dead! Hey you'll like it here, your mates are running the country.... - Tom, Middlesbrough, UK, 18/4/2012 20:37
I have no opinion on this.
Hire a hoodie and find your stock gone within a week .
Cameron and his pathetic government are three things, and three things alone; WEAK, WEAK, WEAK!!!
What a load of rubbish come to Rochdale and you will see why?
I have my own successful plumbing company and to get where I am now, I spent 7 years doing evening classes from the age of 17 and by 24 I managed to get in the trade and earn a goo wedge. 15 years on I went back to college and learnt business management to then start me own firm. Why should I hand over all my hard earned knowledge to a hoodie who already things the world homes him or her a favour??? Send them back into education and make them do it the hard way like the rest of us!
I would personally hire Europeans and pay them twice as much as the pathetic, whingeing, non-achieving Brits who believe the world owes them a living. Europeans know the meaning of the word 'graft'. I doubt whether the Brits can spell it.
It is discriminating to employ a British person over a EU citizen (may he be eastern European) only because of his nationality.
The British economy even before the recession was never big enough to find jobs for hundreds of thousands of immigrants as well as our own people. Remember the New Liebour lie only 13,000 would come they knew it was a lie. VOTE UKIP the party that will put Britain and the British First..
Another Government lie! - Carol Taylor, Plymouth, 18/4/2012 19:59 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ONS and the statistics it generates are independent of the government. Labour passed the Statistics and Registration Service Act 2007 to effect this.
Check out David Ickes website and Alex Jones (info wars), they seem to have a more accurate take on what is going on. - Shelley, Norfolk, 18/4/2012 19:17 **** Oh yes, let's ask David Icke the self proclaimed Son of God descended from reptilians. He really will be able to give us a truly accurate take. Do you really have a vote, Shelley? Do you really think that's a good idea?
Having had candidates turn up for job interviews in hoodies I am afraid they have totally failed the first initiative test. For they have no longer been considered for any post I wanted to fill. If we went into our banks and behind the desk was a hoodie I think no one would hand over any money or details simply because there are codes of presentation that we expect from people. So Mr Grayling you appear out of touch like Mrs May and the empty suit, it is time ALL their benefits are stopped unless they undertake structured further educetion and training. (what a plonker)
Remember these are government figures which means they are meaningless and have no relationship to the real figures (just like inflation figures) Message to the government: NOBODY BELIEVES YOU! - Charlie Farley, Paderborn. Germany., 18/4/2012 10:55<<<<<<<<<<<<< I personally know 128,992,710 unemployed people.
The main difference between your average hoodie and your average East/Central European, is that the person from Continental Europe can actually speak in English.
Good to see Grayling speaking up for the working class, something that NLabour never did when importing workers from all over the world. - Cedric Shufflewick, Leeds, 18/4/2012 20:00>>>WAKE UP Cedric! Grayling is trying to sound sympathetic to the plight of the working class, in truth he could not give a toss about anyone, he is just trying to save his own skin.
Maybe a simple answer would be if the goverment gave insentives to small businesses to employ british unemployed youths. - susan, west cheshire, 18/4/2012 ---------------------------- There's a new initiative where employers can claim some of the cost of employing 18 - 24 yr olds after 6 months of employing them, very small businesses can claim some of the money back after 8 weeks, it's by no means all of the salary but it may be an incentive. The problem is that it's not been advertised.
Hire a Hoodie? Use the upcoming elections to Terminate a Tory. Then we just might get some action on the jobs front instead of these ridiculous platitudes.
No one should present themselves as 'a hoodie' when looking for employment. If the last 'government' had not filled the country with outsiders, employers would be more inclined (or forced) to offer jobs and training to British youth. This country has very, very serious problems with its young: non-parenting at home, no discipline at home or at school or in society, no moral or civic understanding, ill-educated, foul-mouthed ............ who on earth would rather not employ a polite, respectful, hardworking, God-fearing Eastern European!!!
People frequently comment on this forum that they find that the entire staff of a shop or a hotel will be from abroad .These vacancies will not be advertised in jobcentres,staff will have been supplied by an agency who specialises in recruiting from overseas.Until we curb this activity and put paid to the myth that British workers are lazy and badly educated then our own people will be permanently consigned to the unemployment ranks
why would you hire a thuggish, rude, late, poor punctuality, smelly hoody thus instead of a very quiet, efficient, respectable and relatively cheap european?
Good to see Grayling speaking up for the working class, something that NLabour never did when importing workers from all over the world. - Cedric Shufflewick, Leeds, 18/4/2012 20:00>>>>>Grayling is not speaking up for the working class, after leaving them without job prospects, forcing them onto workfare, sanctioning their benefits or cutting them altogether, he is cacking himself in case they decide to kick off, don't fall for his lies and spin he is only trying to save his own skin. The pathetic waste of space should be sacked immediately.
Another Government lie! What about the thousands that have been put onto the Youth Contract and the Works Programme, they have been taken off the unemployment lists, and will be unable to claim unemployment once they have finished the Courses. - Carol Taylor, Plymouth, 18/4/2012 19:59 >>>>>>>> Carol - just lets clarify some details you don't seem to get. The long term unemployed ARE on the work programmeso are included in the figures (That's WORK not workS), they are not removed from the numbers. And the youth contract is an initiative where employers can claim some financial help employing a person who is 1. long term unemployed, 2. on the work programme, and 3.aged 18-24, it can only be claimed after the person has been employed for 6 months plus then the company can claim the financial help. - That said - I do believe there are some highly skilled people who are long term unemployed and are genuinely trying to find work - obviously there are always people who aren't
Stop their benefits and repossess their houses and property, put them in labour camps on bread and water and they'll soon decide to get jobs instead. - MrMickRoach, England, 18/4/2012 19:43 Stalin! We all thought you were dead! Hey you'll like it here, your mates are running the country....
Both my children, aged 20 & 30 work. The 30 year old, despite having paid taxes since she was 17, never claims benefits. If she is out of work, then she takes whatever job is going even if wages are lousy.The habitually unemployed need to get out of their bed and out of their celeb mode and work.
I struggle with some of these employment issues - we are told there are no jobs but the eastern European and other immigrants seem to find a job ok, mostly through agencies who cream them. whilst the locals can’t find a job – there are job but you have to work hard to hunt them down – my son has had to do this but now at last he has got there through sheer determination and in the face of these agencies who don’t actually want to land anybody in a permanent job as this removes there source of income
Stop giving benefits to the unemployed and give the money to the employers or local councils instead so they can hand it over in wages. No difference in the cost. Make them accountable and provide evidence of who they employ with the money they are given. There are a lot of jobs which could be created, and people would actually have to work for their money. It would help businesses expand and keep our streets clean. There are endless places where more staff would improve the situation all round. Better still, use it to provide apprenticeships.
One of the major problems is that many large firms, particularly in the construction sector, outsource their recruitment and often payroll functions to agencies, who will round up a workforce from the cheapest sources, usually Eastern European. British tradesmen, no matter how well qualified, do not get a look in. This is one of the main reasons why there are so many long-term unemployed.
Now then fine young hoodie what qualifications have you got.Borry us a Rizla mate and a bit of baccy for a burn and a crisis or payday loan if you can manage it.
Perhaps the public sector can aford to employ deadbeats but the private sector has to employ capable people. That's a luxury the public sector has indulged too long and the private sector cant afford. Politicians can understand it as they are part of the public sector gravy train paid for by a private sector they dont understand.
Is this politician for real.....He is taking the proverbial p.........This really shows how out of touch this government are....Morons..
Stop their benefits and repossess their houses and property, put them in labour camps on bread and water and they'll soon decide to get jobs instead. - MrMickRoach, England, 18/4/2012 19:43-------------And just how much property does an unemployed teenager who is living with his parents own? What a stupid comment.
Who says all young British unemployed are hoodies? Talking crap as usual.
Well today I went for an interview and was told 10 mins later I didn't get the job. I just feel like giving up now Ive been looking so much and so long for a bit of work and I just dont get anything and if I do its "sorry you have been unsuccessful". This is a lie unemployment has risen its worst its ever been. Am fed up of being on JSA its rubbish money and its horrible having to depend on benefits. What annoys me is that some of these people these companies are employing do not do the job properly and take advantage of what they have and someone like me and a lot of others who will appropriate the work cannot get anything. Am never given a chance to show myself and am only 21 so I think I should. The Job center is useless and horrible too if I wasn't looking for work myself I would end up being on that for a real long time. Am just hoping I get something soon because am fed up now.
I wouldnt go anywhere near our youths - eastern europeans work three times as hard as them, and turn up on time in the morning. The youth of today need to learn that money only comes after HARD WORK.
Good to see Grayling speaking up for the working class, something that NLabour never did when importing workers from all over the world.
Another Government lie! What about the thousands that have been put onto the Youth Contract and the Works Programme, they have been taken off the unemployment lists, and will be unable to claim unemployment once they have finished the Courses.
You know what the Politicians have DESTROYED the ordinary mans way of life and now they are pontificating about what and how things should be....STUFF ALL THE THREE MAIN PARTIES THEY ARE COMPLICITE IN THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WORKING MAN....
First sensible suggetsion I've heard for a long time. Now combine this with some meaningful discipline, training and properly financed apprenticeships with company incentives and you might just get our people re-engaged. Oh I forgot, big business likes cheap employees from eastern europe and asia. No commitment required. Also not surprising as we sell all our biggest businesses to foreign investors. C'mon get some protection in place for our people, the ones who voted you in!
"Minister calls on firms to give work to local youths instead of Eastern Europeans" . There are very few British people who would not say "British First" when it comes to jobs and all the rest but is the above statement , made by a government minister actually legal or are we getting our rights back from the EU ? Personally I believe in "displacement" in that any British citizen has not only first right to any job but also has the right to displace any non citizen and demand training if that is required. There should be a surcharge of 40% of the wages of any non British worker , paid by the employer , used to train our citizens and pay the unemployment money we have to pay them due to firms employing non citizens.
WHO believes these spin and waffle unemployment figures? There are currently in excess of FOUR MILLION unemployed in the UK. There are over ONE MILLION 16-24-year-olds on the unemployed scrapheap. Absolutely scandalous.
Stop their benefits and repossess their houses and property, put them in labour camps on bread and water and they'll soon decide to get jobs instead.
A smiling, willing, literate, numerate, enthusiastic, energetic Pole; or a surly, sneering, disaffected, disinterested, threatening, ill mannered, monosyllabic 'hoodie' from 'Sarf' London? Tough choice! innit like?
Maybe a simple answer would be if the goverment gave insentives to small businesses to employ british unemployed youths.
So only the British produce 'hoodies'? It appears we import them from overseas as well. But it shows the mind set of the British politician when referring to the youth of his own country.
Shouldn't it be 'Hug A Hoodie? or am I getting him mixed up with someone?
Has Grayling ever worked in the private sector either for himself or employed?. No. Another amateur pretending to know all.
''Hire a hoodie': Minister calls on firms to give work to local youths'--------------------- Hello, there must be an election coming up. The only time these public school toffs bother their little heads about all those on the scrap heap!
Well, yea why give all the jobs to ex motor rifle conscripts , time to do something for our own yobs?The`ll get the job done just need a bit of carrot and stick.
Dont mention the thousands who have been thrown off benefits lately under the new 12 months and you are out ESA rules . Chris Grayling didnt mention that bit and he thinks he has got away with it .
I heard on RT (freeview channel 85) that in the USA they entice companies to relocate to a different State by allowing companies to keep more of the money that would have paid to the Inland Revenue Service (IRS). So instead of job creation it is job relocation, with no actual new jobs being created. Yet the USA Government is able to declare a miraculous reduction in unemployment. I find it hard to believe that unemployment is going down in the UK. One only has to look at the number of boarded up shops. What do we produce? I noticed the other day that a box of paper clips I bought was manufactured in the UK, is there anything else? Money, to some extent, can be viewed as stored labour. If money does not circulate then no jobs can be created. We have been bank robbed by the bankers. Check out David Ickes website and Alex Jones (info wars), they seem to have a more accurate take on what is going on.
Wasting your vote on UKIP will just let Labour back in again to bankrupt the country. Devout Tory Voter, ......................................................................................................................... The only wasted votes are those for Labour or Conservative or Lberal, because all that will give us is more of the same, from the same inept tired old politicians. .......................................... If enough voters see the light at the May elections, then UKIP could shock those complacent lab/cons who think one or the other have a divine right to be in number ten! Or run councils.
Chris Grayling can't do basic arithmetic if he thinks youth unemployment has fallen,and why don't you show us the figures for kids that are stuck in demoralising low paid dead end jobs
Some common sense from a politician at last, perhaps ?
There's no need to tar everybody with the same brush just because they're wearing a hoodie doesn't mean they're a thug. Hoodies are nice and warm especially in cold weather. Bloody ridiculous!
" unemployment figures fall for the first time in a year " Due to people not signing on, because they know they're stuck?
'Often the surly young man in a hoodie who turns up looking unwilling to work can turn into an excited and motivated employee'. You couldn't make it up.
The black hoodies would rather continue thieving and drinking/doing drugs. They have no interest in bettering themselves through education or honest employment. Sadly, this whole country will continue to decline as those who do work are forced to subsidize their career choice (government handouts).
So how many 'hoodies' has Chris Grayling's department hired in the last twelve month???
Positive discrimination has to be a way forward. Employers should be actively looking to train young British people and not taking gambles with dubiously educated eastern Europeans. Britain for the British - and not for the rest of the EU!
He's changed his tune somewhat from comments a few days ago denigrating British youngsters. Can't trust him!!!
Too much focus on youtn unemployment, they want companies to hire people between 18-24. What about those who fall outside that bracket? Where's the support for people who are trying to get work who struggling to find work from 25+. I've been unemployed for 3.5 years now, due to funding cuts my job of 8 years was taken from me and my only experience lies in a sector in which jobs are scarce. With the unemployment figures in Northern Ireland sitting like they are, it's next to impossible to land a position. There's a call for experience, which despite being 29, I can't get into anywhere to gain that experience that they want. At the same time, in my area alone, there are thousands out of work. Those thousands are applying for the same jobs as everyone else. My last application was amongst 5000 other applicants. Yet there's no government support because I'm not young enough. That is the problem we are facing at the moment. Yes youth unemployment is high but others are worse off.
Another minister asking people to break the law, according to the governments website concerning employment law: "Race discrimination: Wherever you were born, wherever your parents came from, whatever the colour of your skin, you have a right to be treated fairly.". He's clearing inciting employers to discriminate against people born in Eastern Europe and break the law. Isn't incitement itself illegal? If he wants them to do this he and his party should change the law first. What a bunch of jokes we have in government.
What this country of ours really wants, is a Political class that actually cares about the people that elected them into their MP jobs in the first place! The current crop are still tarred with what went on with the Expenses scandals and given the judgements that have been made by all three major Parties in the UK, the young, the unemployed, the disabled people of the UK, deserve better representation at Westminster! We are now ripe for a new Political Party to rise out of the 'Phoenix' of the Political ineptness and that DOES care about the people of the UK and actually does positive actions that make our nation a leader of countries and not a follower of other nations Political agendas!
What a pile of crap, I would always go for a hard working EU worker than some surly kid in a hoodie and I suspect this MP would too if he were paying their salary
No no no no no! Unemployment has not fallen. Long term unemployment is sky high. They're just shuffled off the figures - young, mortgage/rent payers, any age, old and sick, onto the disreputable books of the private companies such as A4E. They are turfed out onto these private firms books, therefore off the JSA figures for a few months to lessen the jobless total JSA figures, even though - to enable a fast JSA reclaim when this mandatory holding pen has finished, they're paid a 'training allowance' plus £1 JSA, which in total is the same as your usual JSA. The £1 JSA enables the 'job' centre to quickly put you back in the A4E etc cauldron after a few more weeks to get you off their books again. Why isn't this being reported and investigated?????
If this is the case, and the rise isnt due to seasonal job vacancies over Easter, then I really really hope that they start looking to our countries youth for employment, they need to see a brighter future, not the grim and bleak horizon that they have at the moment
I got suggestion. Why doesn't the government stop or restrict company inter companies transfers to workers the country actually needs. Easily reduce the unemployment figures by another 50000+. Additionally it would generate another 500 Million pounds in tax and national insurance. But the government doesn't care about UK workers, it only cares about overseas workers mainly from India.
We've always been at war with Eastasia!
We are ever so humble Mr Grayling sir,that our government are trying to get us jobs in our own country,I'm sure I should be touching my forelock,but the only thing I can think of is two fingers.
These people are better off on benefits....Eastern Europeans work for a lot less money because they share rent etc with at least ten others...
How about the tories doing something, like the obvious, stopping mass immigration. No! You mean they're all mouth and no trousers, what a surprise. USELESS!!!!!!
But you can't force employers to pick employees that have less to offer and pick them just because of their nationality. If these hooded youths want to be picked over the eastern Europeans then they needed to step their game up and do what it takes to look attractive to employers, not rely on the government. I've been employed since 14 and have never been out of work since because I always strived to get experience, write attractive CVs, search thoroughly for opportunities etc. Employers should choose based on what the employee can bring to their service, if the eastern Europeans offer more you can only fault yourself not them.
This type of reporting makes me so angry, why are we allowing our young people to be demonised in this way, they are not all 'hoodies' neither are they all workshy benefit claimants who have no wish to work. It is no wonder that young people feel demoralised, when jobs they could have done are taken by immigrants, the dangerous myth that British young people won't work hard is believed to be the case by far too many people. Yes, of course there are some, more than there should be, with a bad attitude who think the world owes them a living, but there are far more who just need a chance to prove what they can actually do, if only they could get a chance. Look beyond the 'hoodie' there is a person behind it, you never know what they have to offer if you don't give them a chance. This is not liberal nonsense, but if expectations were higher, perhaps these people would feel the need to live up to them, not all of them, but enough to make a difference, in my opinion.
Interesting: In all the DM pics it appears only one person was actually wearing a 'hoodie'! Did Mr Grayling actually use the term 'hire a hoodie'? If so, it would only exemplify how out of touch with 'Youth' he really is and how like so many of his Cabinet colleagues and a proportion of those who wear hoodies it would appear he is unfit for purpose!
Heard it all before. Another all talk and no action minister
.....these figures may reflect the fact that 800.000 people are attaining 65 years in 2012 - an unprecedented number - 2013 will show a similar number as baby boomers leave the workplace. So, in effect, it's a blip on the stats. - just a thought, Dorset, 18/4/2012 17:15 = With the government's policy of printing money to protect the feckless from the consequences of their financial folley, few of the "Baby Boomers" CAN afford to retire. THAT was the real point of the "Granny Tax" - to force those with decent pensions into retirement and free up some jobs. Sadly employers don't want their valued people to go because many cannot be replaced. It is not just the experience that they have in abundance it is the personal pride, commitment, a sense of self-worth and a determination to do a good job.
Eastern Europeans are mostly docile, hard working, have no high expectations and easily manageable, firms prefer those for obvious reasons
LEAVE THE EU, PUT IN A SENSIBLE GOVERNMENT AND BRITAIN WILL GET BACK ON ITS FEET!!!!
Problem is the hoodies don't want to work. Why not hire a young person who actually wants a job.
Wasting your vote on UKIP will just let Labour back in again to bankrupt the country.
The way things stand at the moment, you can only get a job if you have done exactly the same thing for your last job, or in the very recent past. Employers hold all the cards at the right now and don't want to go to the bother of training anyone up: Either that or they just employ Eastern Europeans who they can exploit and who won't complain. I can't see them doing a complete about-turn and hiring a hoodie, can you?
We must stop buying and using the services of anyone who uses cheap immigrant workers,this is the ONLY way to get them to give job's to our young people (for a decent wage),also all these agencies who only give work to immigrant's(of which there are many) need to be shut down,enough is enough,look what's happened to Tesco,PEOPLE POWER!!
More words without meaning. The fact is that until we can stop people coming here from Poland and other Eastern European countries this situation will not improve. Employers need to be forced to put British candidates ahead with tax benefits and the government should be liaising with their counterparts in Poland etc. to encourage them to invest in creating job opportunities for their own people in their own countries instead of exporting labour here.
Most hoodies can't string 2 words together in a coherent sentence and their application form would be full of txt-spk and their brains addled with drink or drugs. Any employer hiring a hoodie would need their heads seeing to. Much better to ensure employers consider hiring foreigners AFTER all interviews with British workers have failed and that the interviewer has not intentionally seeked to hire a cheaper foreigner.
What Britain has to offer to its young men!! No hope! No Future and no proper training but can make up the body count when fighting illegal wars! Its time now for the politicians to recruit immigrants in to the services guess they will also make better soldiers!
- John, UK, 18/4/2012 15:05------------ For your information, I voted Lib Dem last time. That fixed term thing isn't set in stone. It was just thought up by Smarmy Cam. I'm sure if he thought for one second he had a chance of winning a working majority no
The system is messed up big time, to get a job you need experience, to have experience you need a job, a frustrating cycle if you ask me. You'd think the government would want to help the youth generation seen as we'll be the ones paying £9,800 (put towards the men who clean their pools, or the people who clean their houses) to go to University A YEAR, when typically, they all went for free. I'm still patiently waiting on the day an orderly rebellion is started against the lot of them, and before they start cutting jobs elsewhere, why don't they start at their end, at the top?
You still wont get my vote. UKIP for me
It shouldn't even be an option in the first place. VOTE UKIP SO WE CAN DITCH THE EU AND GIVE BRITISH JOBS TO BRITISH WORKERS
Good luck with that !
When Camoron and Grayling lead by example, then others may follow!!! But in true blue style; DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO!!! Cos' otherwise, they would have taken a pay freeze/cut...Goddamn hypocrites, could they be any more out of touch with the common man?
This often used phrase of eastern European workers having a good work ethic, is pretty insulting to UK workers, anyone would have a good work ethic if they were paid 4 or 5 times their usual pay especially if they don't normally live here in the UK where the cost of living means that minimum wage jobs are not viable because you'd be paying yourself to go to work, that way leads to bankruptcy, is that what the government want.
British Yobs For British Jobs!
Today - after 12 months of unemployment I was offered not one but two jobs. I must have applied for literally hundreds of jobs over the last year and had been living off my savings rather than on benefits but I was getting very close to the point that I would have had to apply for benefits had I not been able to secure employment within the next month or two. It is very tough and soul destroying to be unemployed. You attend interview after interview and you feel confident afterwards only to find out that for some reason the company concerned have offered the job to someone else. However there is a light at the end of the tunnel and I have had alot of emotional support from from family which has helped me in my darkest times. I just wanted to wish everyone who has been in my shoes every success in finding the right role for them.
Hire a hoodie!! or British Jobs For British Hoodies, lets see how well this goes down with the EU.
Happy Days! - Yvonne, West Midlands, UK, 18/4/2012 15:40 A sad delusion.
Yesterday, Mr Grayling was rubbishing the British workforce, as reported by this very paper. Today, he's telling us that he wants people to hire a hoodie?? Please... Why do politicians assume that they can insult the people of this country, and then exhort employers to employ them. It is just like the infamous Ratner incident, where Gerald Ratner rubbished his own company and watched it crash and burn. Stop telling the world and employers that all foreign labour is wonderful and the best thing since sliced bread; and all Brits are lazy and rubbish not worth the hiring.
.....these figures may reflect the fact that 800.000 people are attaining 65 years in 2012 - an unprecedented number - 2013 will show a similar number as baby boomers leave the workplace. So, in effect, it's a blip on the stats.
Stop paying the absolute minimum and I am sure everyone would want to work. We should have a welfare system worse than any in Europe so that our home grown chaps and chapesses would have no choice but to work. Alongside this though you need a strong justice system to deter crime.
It makes perfect sense. For every Eastern European that is employed some one in the UK is on JSA. If the UK people were employed and we didn't pay benefits to non UK residents, the welfare bill would drop. I know its easy to say as some of the Brits have given the unemployed a bad name with their demands and can't be bovvered attitude, but there are many crying out for a chance. The easy way to sort this problem, if the government had the b^lls, is to levy an additional tax to the tune of the JSA payment, on every employer that employs non UK staff when someone from the UK is available.
Downing Street is stubborn as a mule with regard to reducing the budget deficit by making more people redundant. Infact they too are increasing the budget deficit by giving aid in abundance, especially when we can't afford it. Virtually they are paying for aid using a debit card, whilst making us suffer for loans on their credit card. We are now for the firsts time over a trillion pounds overspending & they are not embarrassed about it. In the last month I've seen a few shops having closing down sales on our High Street & I have seen 2 new Polish shops selling their products. Will they employ British people to work for them?
lets face it, what incentive is there to work? 30 plus hrs a week and you will be on a few pounds a week more than being on the dole once housing, tax, etc are taken out of your wages.
The number of people applying for the same job is unbelievable. I have sent my cv to over 60 employers in less than 2 months and not even had an interview. I got turned down for a part time bookkeepers job without interview even though I am a qualified accountant that has been an auditor for three years!! Bet they got some junior who the can pay min wage to or some equal foreign national. All I want is a job whereby I can re-address the work/family life and not charge about at 100mph like I was doing before redundancy took it's part.
Here's a tip, I was told as a kid 50+ years ago by an old man and I have stuck to the principle ever since and have never been out of work for more than a short period of time and that was only because the firm I worked for sacked me when they were to blame for my injuries. Take any job no matter how trivial ie I even picked apples on a Sunday for a few Quid. Reason, an employer will almost always give a job to someone in work, if he sees you are going more than half to keep yourself in employment.
"Often the surly young man in a hoodie who turns up looking unwilling to work can turn into an excited and motivated employee." ..... OH COME OFF IT! These politicians sit in their ivory towers serving up platitudes fed to them by politically-motivated advisors. The feral youth of this country DO NOT WANT TO WORK. In many cases they have eschewed the education offered to them free by the state making themselves unemployable through their borderline illiteracy. Firms employ east europeans because they are well-educated in their own country, have been taught the value of hard-work and do not believe the world owes them a living. No business person in their RIGHT MIND is going to pass over a model employee who will work for next to nothing in order to risk disaster with the flotsam of a failed society.
Our young people must be given a chance to work, they have no power so they need help in all ways, first and foremost to get work, They watch all about them outsiders getting the work, the social housing, their place in the queue for the services, schools, health etc, how are they expected to feel? The politicians should immediately stop messing around with all our lives but especially the future of the young Brits and put their own first, second and last. This is an immediate priority, it needs to be done.
I've been unemployed for the last six months. I cannot claim unemployment benefit bcause I live with my ex. I recieve nothing except housing benefit. The local job centre have decided my ex is not an ex at all and I am trying to cheat the system therefore I will continue to recieve nothing, despite this, when my ex is between temping assaignments she recieves a single persons unemployment benefit, despite the fact they have decided I am in a relationship with her, she apparently is not in a relationship with me. COULD SCREAM!!!
What an idiot. Obviously never run a business. I'm an employer, and we hire the best person qualified for the job. If that happens to be an Eastern European, then so be it, if it happens to be a local person, so be it. Everyone gets paid the same, regardless of nationality. You want the job done properly, not cheaply and shoddily, and that is the criteria most employers use.
To those hunting don't give up, I felt worthless and felt that I would never have a job again, if you stay positive and keep hope it will happen, ignore those that say it's easy. - Ellis, Dartford, 18/4/2012 12:40...... Ellis, DM readers understand your situation and sympathise with it. It is those people on benefits who have no intention of ever working, but claim over the odds in benefits that make working taxpayers (especially workers who take home less after taxes than many on benefits receive)and taxpaying pensioners angry. You are completely correct in your assessment that there is dignity and self-worth to be gained from employment, and when you are just starting out, sometimes this has to take the place of a high salary. But I wish you the best in your job and hope that you will soon advance in your career and feel that the early bad times were worth it. All of us workers had to go through it
Do you know my husband has been made redundant 3 times and each time there has been a conservative government in power. Before this lot got in labour was in control, i honestly believe that the labour government knew unemployment was high, so they directed all our young people to go to university so that they could hide the unemployment figures and let our youngsters pick up the tab. Labour con/dems are all the same they are lying corrupt and totally incompetent. Most of them have never had a proper full time job working for someone else, they all have been born with a silver spoon in their gobs and have no idea what its like to be turned down for employment and even worse not even hearing from employers after you have spend hours filling out an application form.I donot believe that unemployment is falling, REMEMBER there is local elections coming up and they want your vote. I neither trust or like any of these politicians because they are in it to line their own pockets.
Personally, I've just about had enough of the 3 main parties. The truth is - they are all too scared to implement the policies that many of us support - leave the EU, limit immigration, reduce or stop the 3rd generation chav benefits, harder prison sentences, etc, etc, etc, etc - and they're all too frightened to tell us the truth that for decades we've been living beyond our means because they want to be re-elected. The only thing that's going to work is a "wartime" government - a Lib /Lab/Con coalition government of national unity - who can impose severe cuts/ austerity - without individual parties being blamed.
Looking at the photo of Mr Cameron with the youth in the hoodie walking behind him, in all fairness, I must comment the young guy in the hoodie is NO CANDIDATE FOR A JOB in our Company. His attitude and his han d in his pants!! is certainly not an image our Company would care to project to our Customers. Is it not perhaps time that some Applicants for jobs, look in the mirror and be honest with themselves and do something about their appearance and the manner in which they dress and also in the manner they speak and the impression they create when meeting a future Employer.
Yes, but mostly tjanks to an increase in part-time employment offering half the salary as full-time employment. No good news at all.
Are these Eastern Europeans really experienced - or just cheaper????
Isn't this being racist and the employment equivalent of protectionism and therefore illegal? I would hate to see yet another MP opening his/her mouth before doing their homework.
"Often the surly young man in a hoodie who turns up looking unwilling to work can turn into an excited and motivated employee......" Unfortunately so can the well-presented, eager and polite young Eastern European. I'm never going to be an employer, but many are, and I suspect I know who they would choose. If a hoodie really wants a job maybe he should change his clothes and drop the surly attitude.
you need to make your mind up cocker!you only rubbished British youth/workers yesterday!i know a few unemployed people, wanna swap?they could do your job with EASE!
Cant fool me. None of the main 3 will get my vote. Get them all out on their ear.
'Hire a Hoodie'.....you cannot be serious, so now EVERY British teenager struggling to find a job is apparently a hoodie/thug while all East Europeans are workaholic angels. The words I would use to describe this slogan and man would be censored by the DM
35k drop? Wow! We'll forget the additional 758k out of work since the Tories came to power. Or the 221k public sector workers still to lose their jobs. Or the downturn in economic growth from 2.2% to a mean fall of 2.1% since May 2010. A further recession (when most similar"Western" economies have stabilised and grown), record unemployement (was at it's lowest since records began under Labour - and it wasn't bacause of the public sector - 35 SMEs go bust a week now compared to 4 in 2009). Labour aren't faultless, far from it - but to say the Tories have anything less than disasterous, without global collapse to firefight too, is lunacy and idiotic. - Steve, Ayrshire, 18/4/2012 16:16 ************** These things always happen after a Labour Government or are these just a few of the things you fail to notice, or maybe just don't want to? That's why I will agree with you that Labour aren't faultless far from it, as you would realise had they taken over from such a disasterous Government.
I was made redundant two years ago at 55 and never appeared in the unemployment statistics because I receive a small company pension and was never able to claim j.s allowance or any other benefits. When I visited the job centre I was told there was nothing they could do because I received an income. There must be tens of thousands like me. The figures are all hogwash and the number of people unemployed is far higher than quoted. The unemployment figures are based on people claiming j. s allowance and not people looking for work or on government training schemes.
I've been unemployed for 2 months now but because I've saved up money I'm not allowed to claim benefits. Not that I'd want to anyway, but I'd imagine that there are a lot of other people like me who wont be included in these figures. I'd say 80% of the people I want to uni with are unemployed right now. Its a scary time.
unemployment figures fall for the first time in a year.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does Westminster re-vamp its massage parlour after every election or is it a joint venture with LIb, Lab, Conmen. Are its services subsidised like its bars ?
I don't believe this one bit. People in Sheffield are losing their jobs left right and centre. - simon, sheffield, 18/4/2012 10:16 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Because they work for the council or other Govt. agency. That's where the job losses are.
lies & more lies
- Yvonne, West Midlands, UK, 18/4/2012 15:40 35k drop? Wow! We'll forget the additional 758k out of work since the Tories came to power. Or the 221k public sector workers still to lose their jobs. Or the downturn in economic growth from 2.2% to a mean fal
not here in the North west is hasn't yet again the industrial heartlands takes another beating
Nice to see the government trying to make out this is a good thing, Look at the number of part time workers it shouldn't be that high, part time workers are not in full employment. Playing about with the figures. Yes I am unemployed but I do alot of volunteer work to keep my CV update and to show I am doing something. More than 90% of the people I see in the job centre who never want to work.
Do you believe these figures? I don't.
You're spot on James, but Thommo doesn't care as he was on here a couple of weeks ago boasting about earning £1500/day as an MOD contractor having taken redundancy and his pension! Someone tells porky pies I think. Thommo is apparently a rich socialist, but there are plenty of those about in public sector non jobs. Hope you aren't reducing your charitable donations Thommo! - alimac, berkshire, 18/4/2012 15:47 ***************************** Well said Alimac, but you see Thommo often tells everyone to be afraid of the Tories when it is in fact voters such as he we should all be afraid of as they cause as much damage to this country as their beloved disaster party that call themselves Labour!
A real job is afull time job at a decent rate of pay(ie....more than the minimum wage,so that the employee can keep a family on it.) What you are saying here is that over two and a half million people are still unemployed.....and half of those who are classed as "employed"...DO NOT.....IN FACT, HAVE A REAL JOB> Not much there to be so cheerful about....is there?
In bygone days, people had entrepreneurial flair. Perhaps that is the overlooked characteristic of this recession. Not a loss in employment (for that is, and always will be, around), but an acquiescence on the part of the unemployed to better themselves.
Be afraid, be very afraid..... Vote tory, get misery..... - thommo, solihull, 18/4/2012 11:41 As opposed to what? Vote Labour, get loads of benefits, welfare dependency, unregulated banks, a massive consumer debt crisis, unaffordable housing, unfunded PFI contracts on schools and hospitals, two wars and a MASSIVE deficit that that NEEDS reducing quickly...- James, Manchester, 18/4/2012 12:38 ***** You're spot on James, but Thommo doesn't care as he was on here a couple of weeks ago boasting about earning £1500/day as an MOD contractor having taken redundancy and his pension! Someone tells porky pies I think. Thommo is apparently a rich socialist, but there are plenty of those about in public sector non jobs. Hope you aren't reducing your charitable donations Thommo!
more government propaganda .not an ounze of truth in it
Lies ,Damn Lies .......and TORY STATISTICS !!!!!!
Oh dear, the first sign of any good news and out come the 'Doom and Gloomers' (they know who they are)who can't wait to rip it apart. Well get used to it because given time you may start to hear more of it, and all your hopes and dreams for yet another disasterous Labour Government will get well and truly quashed. Happy Days!
What's happened to the 2.5million people they have kicked off the sick
Well paid, skilled, full time jobs being lost. Low paid, part time, unskilled jobs replacing them. Long term this is a disaster for this country.
This is just one measure. According to Faisal Islam the largest increase in employment is "part time self employed" up 25k. Full time - down 27k. Mainly a female story 18k less FT women who make up 20k of the PT Self Employed figures. There's been a massive increase in the number of people working part time because they "could not find full time work" The DWP rarely include what their statistics truly represent; oh for the day when honesty takes over from political spin and deception.
Poor old Auntie Beeb, it won't half stick in her craw having to report some good news, instead of her whinging about 'THE CUTS'>>>>> You can see it in the faces of the newsreaders, and HEAR it in the voices of RADIO 5 LIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..Spelling mistake rectified, sorry.
I absolutely do not believe this. Not for an instant.
Poor old Auntie Beeb, it won't half stick in her craw having to report some good news, instead of her whinging about 'THE CUTS'>>>>> You can see it in the faces of the newsreaders, and here it in the voices of RADIO 5 LIVE.
This is probably now as low as it can go in modern Britain because I bet most of the 2.65m are workshy chavz.
So do these statistics include all those people on the various back to work programmes?
- Tom Sharp TAX FIRST CHARITY SECOND in that order, Manchester UK , 18/4/2012 14:50 You'll have to wait for the fix term to end labourite, then you can vote for your smug Pinocchio who never quite became a man. WOW he reduced unemployment by borrowing and
Pull the other one! Just stop importing unemployed Foreign Nationals, then perhaps the good people of Britain would at least have a chance of securing a job.
More likely these people have left the country, not because they found work here
Remember these are government figures which means they are meaningless and have no relationship to the real figures (just like inflation figures) Message to the government: NOBODY BELIEVES YOU! - Charlie Farley, Paderborn. Germany., 18/4/2012 You are right there Charley, problem is they know we don't believe them, and they don't care.
spot on DM many jobs people have found are part time and also agency work. these figures are nothing the goverment should be proud about.
There are thousands of people unemployed but are not entitled to sign on for benefits, you are entitled to just 6 months if you have paid stamps for 2 years, after that it reverts to means tested benefits to which many are not entitled to claim as they have savings or property, so because they cannot claim benefits they are taken off the register but does not mean they have a job !!! Another Maggie ploy dreamt up by civil servants to fool the populace !! - geoffrey, Wales, 18/4/2012 10:18............I fall bitterly into this "catagory". I think there must be much more bitterness waiting to vent and has nothing do do with lazy chavs. I have done nothing wrong, feel no shame and have no job.
John, UK, 18/4/2012 14:22----- When Blair won the election (with a full majority in 1997 unemployment under the Tories was nearly 2 million. Whithin 6 months it was down to full employment. The only people without a job were either unable or unwilling to work. John, Please name one government of any colour, since the first world war that didn't borrow money? This lot are borrowing more than ever as some our millionaires refuse to pay anything. Under Blair and Brown we repaid the lone from the second world war to the USA. The number of new millionaires shot up through the roof. Thanks to the bankers we would be still enjoying full employment and rising standards of living! Urge your beloved leader Smarmy Cam to call an election. We dare you!
The same thing I was told by a nasty, horrible advisor at the job centre yesterday. Ive been looking for a proper long term job for years now but all I get are jobs I dont feel right for me or if I do get a job I like its only temporary so am back to where I started again in a few months. I am currently on JSA and they are really nasty down there to me I have been looking for more than 10 jobs a week going round shops, emailing CV's with no reply from any and I was told I wasnt doing enough because there were so many jobs out there and they basically accused of lying because I would of got something by now then they threatened to stop my claim for 6 months. I think these job centres need to be investigated as a lot of those advisors are not doing their job properly and abusing it by treating people like trash. I dont believe unemployment is going down for a second and all these people care about is themselves not about people who are struggling to cope and find a bit of work. It needs
It's only a great pity that NO Government has ever been totally honest and given the true amount of people who are unemployed. They always use so many little things to distort the true facts that they might as well now even release the figures at all.
kids r lazy these days all they want to do is get drunk nd the parents don't help either this country gives it easy to people so they don't have to work its a shame
I suppose it can't be so bad seeing as there are so many more people now in Britain, and in July 1986 there was 3.1 million unemployed. Do I believe the figure - NO!
Perhaps the figures are falling because people like me over 50, can't get a job due to age, but because I have savings, I am not entitled to JSA or any other benefits. I have to live off my savings which were for my old age - hopefully when I've spent my money there will still be a pension system to support me, but I won't hold my breath.
I have just got a job after being made redundant 5 months ago. I am very well qualified in my field and that has been my problem in securing new work ,alongside being too corporate. I have spent 15 hours each day since being made redundant non stop job hunting, its was absolutely exhausting and soul destroying. Most recruitment agencies are absolutely rubbish, they serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever, and urgently need to be legally regulated so that they actually provide candidates with a worthwhile service. I have had some absolutely disgusting interviews done by senior executives at some very big well known companies ,who simply cannot interview properly (I've done recruitment so I know how it should be done). The government need urgently need to regulate recruitment agencies, and employers need to return to fully qualified HR staff interviewing properly. I always prepared impeccably for every interview,but most interviewers really couldn't have cared less.
Maybe I am cynical but has this latest so-called good news anything to do with an election coming up?. No surly not. That nice Smarmy Cam and his toff school chum Gideon, wouldn't dream of desperately coming up with such a low trick! Woooops see that pig!
MANIPULATED FIGURES.
And only the those who voted this lot in belive this tomorrow they will do a U turn and blame it on labour - barra boy , london, 18/4/2012 14:07 No labour mouth piece, why on earth would we do that? Borrowing soared under labour, they spent every last penny as a "joke" for the new government, they sold 2 thirds of our gold at a bargain price, taxed business until manufacturing shrunk more than at any time in our history, opened our borders so people flooded in to claim jobs or benefits. Yes we want them back, so we can pretend to be wealthy on more debt.
I'm not a Labour supporters but the proof is in the pudding. Whenever the Tories are in power unemployment increases. When Labour are in power unemployment goes down. The Tory party doesn't care if ordinary people get jobs, they only care about getting into power because that means more money for them.
I see the Government Masseuse has been called in to help the unemployment figures again.
The better off asylum seekers are returning home with their ill gotten gains.
For my next trick I will remove all the extra immigration figures from the list, only fools believe these governmental figures, smoke and mirrors all the way.
So with unemployment falling by 35,000 but with the number of part time jobs increasing by 89,000 at best we have lost 54,000 full time jobs and replaced them with part time jobs. How is this good news?
True figure is over 5,000,000. Who believes anything governments tell them.
Goalposts moved again? - Grumpy Grandpa, Livingston, 18/4/2012 10:35 // // No. Not moved. Taken away.
And only the those who voted this lot in belive this tomorrow they will do a U turn and blame it on labour
- James, Manchester, 18/4/2012 12:38 < James, having read your comment, I have to say that every succeeding government tends to build on the previous one's policies, adding their own colour to them. Can you, or anyone quote to me a govenment that, having 
Granted people are losing jobs but don't forget people are also retiring day after day and their job then becomes available to those who don't have one. As for not believing the figures well I'm not suprised after 13yrs of New Labour, many were sharing jobs back then too so that unemployment figures did not appear to be rising faster than they wanted them to, after all they had an election they wanted to win, at whatever cost? - Yvonne, West Midlands, UK, 18/4/2012 10:54------------------- Yvonne, surly you remember the mass unemployment of the Thatcher Major 18 years . Unemployed were urged to claim sickness benefit to make the dole queue figures look better. Thatcher didn't think unemployment was a problem. No, she thought unemployment was the answer to the problem. Every time we have a Tory PM it equals mass unemployment, especially for the school levers! Under Thatcher, the method of counting the unemployed changed 32 times. It's called massaging the figures near an election!
Well they've finally rolled out the apprentice scheme, what do you expect?
I smell more horse manure falling out of Grayling's mouth, many people put on the workfare /mandatory work activity schemes or any other type of so called "training" are not included in the unemployment figures, likewise those who have been sanctioned or those like myself who have refused to comply with their slavery schemes on principle and have signed off, if it wasn't for friends and family i would be destitute until i can find any type of work, faced with stiff competition from !nvaders to the UK and very few vacancies my chances are slim, there will be many more people in the same situation and worse, just kicked off benefits with no where to turn for help.
never mind todays youth being unemployable due to their poor maths it looks like the last generation are not doing to well either , as jobless figures fall but those on jobseekers goes up .dont tell me the government are fiddling the figures any one would think its labour in power .is it any wonder todays youth are like they are ,after listening to their so called betters in kindergarden at prime ministers question time today
Unemployment falling, great news, let's hope it continues.
This is the last year that women can retire at 60 so after this year when one of us in our late 50s lose our job what chance do you think we have of getting another one so instead of claiming a small pension most of us will be on JSA in the next few years, just look at the figures jump then.
With ATOS cutting a swathe through Incapacity Benefit claimants - TRUE ones, not the crooks and cheaters from other countries, and those who are defiantly workshy - it's not surprising that there is a - minor - rise in the numbers not claiming - it's all the same old stuff with new names and just as desperate and despairingly depressing as the system ever was. Still, it's a red herring. Jobs are few and far between, you can forget about lifetime careers, and many have dropped off the radar, because of the inflexible attitude of ATOS and the JobCentres to chronically ill people, and there are no figures as to how many jobs ARE being filled - never mind suitable jobs - and what they are, except that most jobs are P/T these day, and have fewer legal protections than tenured jobs (unless you work for RyanAir and are off sick where you don't get paid - apparently...). Bottom line - there are lies, damned lies and statistics!
It would be nice if DM didn't moderate comments and there was still the opportunity for free speech, it seems they can't handle the truth and real reasons about massaging the figures.
Granted people are losing jobs but don't forget people are also retiring day after day and their job then becomes available to those who don't have one. As for not believing the figures well I'm not suprised after 13yrs of New Labour, many were sharing jobs back then too so that unemployment figures did not appear to be rising faster than they wanted them to, after all they had an election they wanted to win, at whatever cost? - Yvonne, West Midlands, UK, 18/4/2012 10:54***I'm just going to explain why I think you got red arrowed yet again Yvonne. You talk of job sharing decreasing the unemployment figures. Well If I was out of work and I had a choice between job sharing and being on the dole, I like many others would have chosen job sharing it being better than being out of work. So you see, job sharing was a GOOD thing because it also cut the benefits bill as well as giving a job to those who wanted it.
I work in Recruitment and can i ask do they count the immigrants who have just arrived and after manual work? who do not yet have National insurance numbers and not claiming? do they count those that are living off of redundancy? do they count school, college or university leavers who are not claiming? We have over 100+ coming into our agency seeking work and i guarantee these people have not been counted for, these figures to me are not real and the government need to work in an agency for a few days to see how hard it is for these job seekers.
When reporting unemployment figures, I wish the media would take care to point out that the government figures are ONLY those unemployed and receiving JSA. The 'forgotten' unemployed are people like me who despite paying National Insurance for 40 years can not get a penny due to my wife working 29 hours and me receiving a small pension which wipes out 'entitlement' to JSA. I am probably more active in seeking employment than many receiving JSA but do NOT appear on any government statistics. How many others are like me, there must be hundreds of thousands. At age 55 I can't go on any 'experience'schemes or get training as I am not getting JSA, but I want to work, and resume paying Income Tax and N.I. .I now also see increasing jobs advertised as 'work placements' , where once again you have to be in receipt of JSA. I can't even compete for these jobs. I would be held in much higher regard by the people who run this country if I had sneaked in under a lorry, and declared my hate for UK.
35,000 people have been taken off the Jobseeker's Allowance register with no evidence that they are now employed. This can easily be checked by asking the tax office!!!
We need millions more non-jobs for jobsworths in the public sector. Simples.
Good news.
Lies, damm lies and politicians statistics. Is it a coincidence that inflation fell just before the budget and now unemployment has fallen just before the local elections. I would not believe this useless, lying Government if they said today was Wednesday.
This is reported the same every year, its spring the weather picks up and seasonal workers are taken on although 35000 is peanuts for a population of 60 million. The euro football is about to hit a brick wall and come bouncing back, we're living in the politics of delusion where those with everything to lose keep ' talking everything up' yet are privately terrified that its soon to come crashing down. Greed and ignorance will shortly change everything as we pay the price of avarice. I feel sorry most for the weak and unprepared and least for those with the most who will fall the hardest. I do know one thing, on the street everyone i talk to intends to vote for anyone but the three major party's with Ukip the most mentioned. We all know they tell you anything to get into power then ignore the voter for the next five years, fine but this time if the voter gets nothing else they intend to get out of europe. One things for sure though, its the best show in town. Bring it on.
It's not just the unemployment figures they are manipulating but also the people on any form of sickness benefit. They send them for a medical with ATOS who promply kick them off, they then appeal so their money is reinstated but they have been taken off the figures. These appeals can take six months. If they lose their appeal they then go on jobseekers allowance. I thought the last government were the worst in history but I must say this lot are making a good stab for the title.
It's the start of the holiday season, most of these jobs will be summer only, part time and the poor people will be back on the scrap heap come October, I know as we had to survive like that for several years after redundancy.
I have a job interview today after searching so long for a job so I hope its for me but I dont believe this information if it was true more people would be in work and less people would be on JSA. The goverment are not doing enough to help people especially the people my age like early 20's and the job centre is horrible. Am on JSA but ive been looking for myself because if I wasnt I would never get anywhere and probably be on benifits for the rest of my life.
All in days work for the House of Commons massage parlour.
So, just massaged figures then. :-(((((((
Anyone with over £16k in savings can't claim JSA and therefore doesn't show up in the stats that would include most of the skilled middle class professionals which are losing their jobs through the cuts.
Carrotcruncher-- thank you as I was having difficult in understaing the figures.. Now I get it :)
The situation where I live tells a different story. Lots of honest, hardworking people who I know have been made redundant and their families are distraught. On the other end of the spectrum, I know families who have never worked a day in their life (apart from a few cash in hand jobs on top of claiming benefit) and now their children (18,19,20 year olds) are having babies, there's no reason to start working at all. They're pulling every trick in the book, claiming to be a single parent to get rent paid, claiming to be looking for work when really they're quite content with their dole and child benefit... I could go on and as a 48 hour a week tax payer, it makes my blood boil. These figures are skewed to make the government look like they have actually achieved something. Don't believe a word of it. They WANT unemployment. They WANT to control income. We're all on the edge of a revolution.
Isn't it strange how these very optimistic figures are released just when there are local elections round the corner. They are misleading us the majority of jobs are part time, low paid and young people in particular are still finding it hard to get work. The lack of 'work ethic' is often quoted but I have seen young British people being passed over in order to employ foreign workers who are paid below the minimum wage and live in overcrowded slum housing where as many as 8 or 10 will live together and share expenses. Meanwhile they are earning what amounts to double the wages in their country of origin so it's little wonder that they 'work harder'. If anyone is paid double the wages they would normally earn and can live very cheaply whilst sending money home to build luxury homes we would all be on the bandwagon. It is not a level playing field for young British people and they are often villified when the majority would like to work for a reasonable wage.
I don't believe this. David Cameron has a background in PR and advertising for the Conservative Party. But I really don't know how they manged to create these figures. Has the Government clamped down on all the people falsely claiming sickness benefits yet? They said they would. Yesterday, I think the Government had a shock when they realised how well Labour and UKIP were doing in the polls. If David Cameron is so despirate to cling onto power, how about leaving the EU - he would get a lot of support for that. - UKIP supporter, London, 18/4/2012 11:31 It's all well and good wanting to leave Europe but when will farage and his crew come clean about the cost in jobs if we do leave?
I have worked with the unemployed quite a bit during my working life. Mostly through recessions where unemployment has gone through the roof. Unemployment figures go down ONLY because they are on 'employment schemes' they then are taken off the list. This is the ONLY reason they have gone down. If unemployment had truelly gone down the WHY has those claiming JOB SEEKERS ALLOWANCE GONE UP? The Govement just like the last Tory Goverment DOCTOR the figures to look better than what they actually are. DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THESE FIGURES THEY MEAN LITTLE IN REAL TERMS. Those on 'training schemes' are STILL UNEMPLOYED, but are discounted. AND YES I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. Once again we are being LIED TO, AND THE TRUETH DISTORTED TO MAKE US BELIEVE THAT THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER, WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE WORSE AND ARE GETTING WORSE. you only have to look at the price of everything which is still rising and our pay packets are less.
The figures fluctuate over a year. So the headline is meaningless. There are always fewer unemployed in the Spring simply because youngsters are at school and uni taking their exams. The figures rise rapidly as soon as these people start to look for work. The true picture is the annual figure not seasonal. The facts are that as soon as the Tory party policies kicked in the numbers ot of work soared. What is worse is that those who have minor disabilities are now expected to find work and come off benefits. With so many able bodied unable to find work what hope have these people
Complete and utter garbage. These figures are not accurate, they never are. It does not include those who have reached the end of their six month Job Seekers Allowance period. Part time jobs are replacing full time positions, the tide of mass immigration continues to blight any chance of a meaningful recovery and the jobs that are being filled are low skilled and low paid with not opportunity for career progression . Bunch of twisted liars, the lot of them.
How hard is it to understand..........over 3 million immigrants to the UK in the past few years, they say it averages at around half a million per year..............2.65 million people out of work, a majority that are British........doesn't take a bleeding rocket scientist does it............we aren't creating half a million jobs per year......are we!?!
MORE spin (lies), does anyone have the un-doctored figures?
Its the start of the holiday season, Hotels etc take on staff during the summer season, for five or six months, then when the season ends they become unemployed again. Do not be fooled that this government is getting a grip on unemployment. If they want to decrease unemployment, they should bring the pension age down, and not keep putting it up !
You have got to have sympathy for Cameron, he has got to find work for the British but has also got to find work for the rest of the World. Mind you he has not reduced immigration so I suppose he has to take some responsibility for his actions.
Be afraid, be very afraid..... Vote tory, get misery..... - thommo, solihull, 18/4/2012 11:41 As opposed to what? Vote Labour, get loads of benefits, welfare dependency, unregulated banks, a massive consumer debt crisis, unaffordable housing, unfunded PFI contracts on schools and hospitals, two wars and a MASSIVE deficit that that NEEDS reducing quickly if we don’t want to lose the confidence of world markets and end up having interest rates (and the resulting austerity) of Greece, Spain, etc. As the departing Chief Secretary to the Treasury said: “there’s no money left”. It’s very hard to create jobs and prosperity in these circumstances. I’m not defending the Tories, we just should never forget that it was Labour that got us in to this mess and will need to be patient while the new Government tries to get us out of it.
What a laugh _ Gone down maybe transferred elsewhere in statistics? My grandson is 21 half and doesn´t even get a chance although he applies for vacancies - he has no experience except the odd bar job, can´t afford driving lessons . and there are so many immigrants in the East of ENGLAND. So where are these jobs????
Unemployment hasn't fallen, this is probably the number of people who have lost their right to benefits after failing to find work...... It's about time this country stood up together and said enough is enough......
Me and my g/friend are on "work" placements so are not in the figures.how many thousands are also?
Well of course unemployment will fall when you deliberatly take them to a peak at the beginning of a parliamentry term there is only one way for them to go towards election time, this was one of Thatchers great ideas.
Cameron MUST resign !!!
Someone has been jogging around with satistics again to make the figures look good again
Elections soon , so fool the people as much as you can, , They doing what they good at Lie
- Ellis, Dartford, 18/4/2012 10:40_________________CONGRATULATIONS on your new job Ellis :) xx
We won`t be hearing this on the BBC. Anymore than they reported the ! million jobless that Brown hid for 3 years!
there will be a temporary lift whilst there are opportunities to hide unemployment behind paying Olympic and jubilee events, but do read what these statistics are saying, most of the jobs are part time and usually of short term nature only. The economy is going downhill, fast, no thanks to the tories.Be afraid, be very afraid..... Vote tory, get misery.....
Well those numbers are wrong.... what about the all the people who have never claimed....? I know plenty of mums who have never gone back to work after having their kids, I'm sure there must be more people like this!!!
What this in real terms is the government telling the people what they want to hear just like when we hear that crime figures are falling.Dont believe a word .
Lies, Damm Lies, and Government Statistics
Chris Grayling you twit. These figures are massaged and false. What about all the unemployed that are not registered as we are not entitled to anything. I am 62 and have worked for 44 years paid taxes and scrimped and save for my retirement. My meager saving are now drying up. Then what. Chris Grayling you Idiot.
I don't believe this. David Cameron has a background in PR and advertising for the Conservative Party. But I really don't know how they manged to create these figures. Has the Government clamped down on all the people falsely claiming sickness benefits yet? They said they would. Yesterday, I think the Government had a shock when they realised how well Labour and UKIP were doing in the polls. If David Cameron is so despirate to cling onto power, how about leaving the EU - he would get a lot of support for that.
Thats because they are fiddling the figures , would you expect anything else ?
These statistics are misleading. Since the qualification period for a full state pension dropped to 30 years from over 40 years last year the job centre staff discourage anyone over 50 from signing on because it is now not necessary to get signing on credits for your pension. The only point in signing on if you are over fifty is to get benefits. However, if you are made redundant over fifty years old you will get a pay off and this together with even a very modest amount of savings would make many ineligible for benefits. Consequently a great many people in their fifties are just disappearing from statistics.
I don't believe it. Big con. Lies lies lies. Election now.
The jobless total falls by 35,000,yet the number claiming jobseekers allowance as risen by 3,600.Now i ain,t very good at maths but even to me the figures don,t stack up.Then of course theres the governments youth contract were they pay emploers to give the young a job,or has maggie used to call YTS which was a con then designed to cut the jobless total and this coalition can rename youth contract but it,s still a con.Also is this not the time of year when those who do seasonal work return to the work place.facts,figures,statistics, more like smoke and mirrors
The trouble with have in believing this is because we have been lied to consistently over the years, nothing they say on any contentious issues are believed any more, even if by chance they could be true.
Working at mc Donald's getting abused don't count.
Remember these are government figures which means they are meaningless and have no relationship to the real figures (just like inflation figures) Message to the government: NOBODY BELIEVES YOU!
The trouble with have in believing this is because we have been lied to consistently over the years, nothing they say on any contentious issues are believed any more, even if by chance they could be true.
I don't believe this one bit. People in Sheffield are losing their jobs left right and centre. - simon, sheffield, 18/4/2012 10:16 *********************** Granted people are losing jobs but don't forget people are also retiring day after day and their job then becomes available to those who don't have one. As for not believing the figures well I'm not suprised after 13yrs of New Labour, many were sharing jobs back then too so that unemployment figures did not appear to be rising faster than they wanted them to, after all they had an election they wanted to win, at whatever cost?
This Grayling fella sure talks some crud
Unfortunately a lot of the born in the 1920's "approximately" generation have passed away now, but if you were around in the years 1984-1995 you will of heard them repeating how " THATCHER " started mass unemployment and how we knew it was millions not the figures that her "spinners" were feeding into the media. The chief mouthpiece was that awful traitor to the working man Bernard Ingram. " THE DAMAGE IS DONE ".
The increase in part time employment shows that employers have quickly latched on to the notion that it's cheaper to hire two part time workers than one full time worker as you pay no national insurance contribution. So the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. No change from the Torys.
So 35,000 have been bullied and threatened off JSA & ESA by A4E and other workfare providers. Well itÂ’s what the Tories wanted. People being forced to work in Tesco for free don't count in the stats. Plus all the people who have gone self employed but arenÂ’t earning anything. False figures concocted by evil lying Chris Grayling to save his own backside.
Under 18s wont be included either as we can't claim any sort of benefits, If I should want them, I don't as I have not paid in, I will have to wait another 2 months to sign on. In the meantime I don't exist as far as the governments concerned. And for those that wont believe me just so they can carry on hating young people for 'having everything given to them' - LOOK IT UP! We are not well off and we are NOT lucky. Hardly lucky when I wont even be able to get a new coat as I don't think its fair on my mum to have to help me out with money.
Why is it when someone puts statistical facts in their comments the d m don't print it??
Everytime these figures come out they are just made up
Grayling,like all of his predecessors,has trouble discerning reality.How can he say that this is a step in the right direction? We are sinking ever deeper into the quicksand,only not as quickly as ten seconds ago.Platitudes are no substitute for slamming shut the doors to the Immigration stampede for what few jobs are still left.
I think im in those figures, just got a 20 hour week job after being unemployed for 3 years!!!, got an interview for another 15 hours at a another company on Friday too!. I am worse off now but I feel I have a purpose and that's all that matters, it did pay off after sending countless CV's and attending a LOT of interviews. I was called work shy by most readers on here who are probably in a job/or haven't been unemployed in these hard times. To those hunting don't give up, I felt worthless and felt that I would never have a job again, if you stay positive and keep hope it will happen, ignore those that say it's easy.
yet more lies. this country is on its knee's. its a good job they are wasting billions on the olympics isnt it?
Goalposts moved again?
Don't believe anything this government puts out, they have massaged the figures to make it look better. Just like Nu-Liebore used to. All politicians are liars, they look and care after one thing only.............THEMSELVES.
They'll be hiding the figures!!!
There is no excuse not to have full employment; if you can give me one then I would like to hear it. Capitalism - a crime against humanity. - stuart, animals want to live just like us, so stop eating them :(, So what is your solution then..?
has anyone else noticed when ever pm questions time comes around the media always times good news to help the Tories when their in trouble.
More like they put them on courses such as A4e where it all looks good on figures as not unemployed even though they have no job. And some people may give up using jobcentre.
There is no excuse not to have full employment; if you can give me one then I would like to hear it. Capitalism - a crime against humanity.
You only get 6 months on contribution based jsa before the job centre has done with you - id guess those who go off the jobcentes books this way but are still unemployed are not counted. Also, mothers who do not qualify for help with childcare as of this month so who have had to quit work are called 'inactive' when really, those who would rather have kept their job are simply unemployed.
Well it will show a drop in figures because of the temporary christmas jobs over december and january. A more true projection will come after the second qtr from march to may. Plus there is all the sick people being reassessed and all those waiting for appeal will not show up on unemployment statistics although they are still unemployed. It is so easy to fix figures, this government must think the general public in this country are morons.
BS baffles brains! It dipped in February but increased in March and it`s a step in the right direction.Oh yeah!
There are thousands of people unemployed but are not entitled to sign on for benefits, you are entitled to just 6 months if you have paid stamps for 2 years, after that it reverts to means tested benefits to which many are not entitled to claim as they have savings or property, so because they cannot claim benefits they are taken off the register but does not mean they have a job !!! Another Maggie ploy dreamt up by civil servants to fool the populace !!
I don't believe this one bit. People in Sheffield are losing their jobs left right and centre.
Liars..it,s just that everyone is on useless and pointless " Training Courses"..on a course?..not unemployed..Refuse to go on a course,or stack shelves anywhere?..JSA stopped..not unemployed..Local elections in May..and it looks like the Cons are going to get their expensively clad backsides kicked..Hence the unemployed finding work propaganda..Fairy stories from an increasingly worried government..even the dimmest Tory can see it will be them who will be unemployed come 2015..I bet quite a few are considering defecting to the UKIP..They have my vote now..despite me being a lifelong conservative..Oh yes..we do exist here oop north..
How does this work then? You can only claim unemployment benefit - as I understand it - for a maximum of six months. After that you go onto means tested income support! Again, as far as I am aware those claiming income support is not taken into the figures for unemployment. So actually, these are not really a true reflection of what is going on! The figures do reflect the reality!
Unemployment falling and people claiming benefits is going up? You couldn't write it could you?
they keep turning out these lies on the jobs market everyday we hear of shops closing job loses all over britain and they try to tell us everything is rosey government propagranda
Statisticians worth their salt can juggle figures to give any result their masters want. Next month they will use a correction factor to tell a more realistic tale and usually it is a negative increase.
That's a bad monobrow, that.
'm dumbfounded by the amount of ignorance displayed by some people. This man represents 0.01% of Lithuanian people who come to this country, but that still gives you enough ammunition to make a knee-jerk reaction and say "Go back to where you came from". Really? The vast majority of Lithuanian people who come to England come here to better themselves and in turn that benefits us. Admittedly there will always be some who come here to sponge off the state, but many come here and take up highly-skilled, qualified professional jobs. They aren't 'stealing your job' . As an Englishman with a Lithuanian fiance, I can categorically say that there are very few opportunites for good jobs in Lithuania itself. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute - what would you do if you were hard-working, ambitious and wanted to better yourself?==============Well for a start, I wouldn't go to another country and rape someone at knifepoint.
I'm a women from Lithuania and really ashamed of this evil man's actions... 10 years ago me and 3 other women were savagely atacked by an English guy on the same night. It just unfortunately shows that no nation is immune to evil occurrences!!! Look in your own garden before you start judging other nations!!! Love and peace !!!
It is rapidly reaching the point where the people need to make a stand....if our elected government won't protect this country then we will...
WELL DONE UKBA is this another one of your sucesses.
Vote UKIP to get of this.
The "Beating heart" of britian wants to stay in the EU according to Cameron... I wonder what these two women who were just raped would have to say to him about that tbh.
A big thank you to all of the traitors in the plitical class.
Sue the Government they let this vile person in the country with their treaties - they ok being driven around and security for them and their families - all at the tax payers expense! Discusting the whole thing is discusting
UKIP
David Cameron thinks we would be 'mad' to leave the EU.
I wish I could afford to emigrate from this godforsaken country!
Dont even want to bother with him or how he got here. Only thing i would like to mention is young lady who despite it all isnt letting this disgrace of a man ruin her life. Amazed by your courage...
Please close the door to immigration.
When is this all going to stop - do our customs not check up on these filth? When you watch the documenteries on customs in New Zealand etc they check everything then put them straight back on a plane if they are not happy. What do we do?
He will not do 9 years and he will not be deported.
vote ukip its our only hope
Its a safe bet that Cameron and Clegg do NOT include the added cost of EU criminals when they say the EU membership is essential for Britain.
Deport on release. No two ways about it.
The political and financial elite of this country have the most to gain from us being part of the EU. It's the working (mainly) and middle classes that have to deal with trash like this. Remember when they say that being part of Europe is good, they mean good for them.
If Cameron and clegg spent less time cosying up to the EU leaders and more time listening to British opinion the country would not be in the state it is....my vote is for Farage
One of the occasions where he should be forced to serve his sentence in his own nations prisons..... i feel sure pool tables and TVs , plus three good meals daily and free central heating will be a priority in his own country!!
I'm dumbfounded by the amount of ignorance displayed by some people. This man represents 0.01% of Lithuanian people who come to this country, but that still gives you enough ammunition to make a knee-jerk reaction and say "Go back to where you came from". Really? The vast majority of Lithuanian people who come to England come here to better themselves and in turn that benefits us. Admittedly there will always be some who come here to sponge off the state, but many come here and take up highly-skilled, qualified professional jobs. They aren't 'stealing your job' . As an Englishman with a Lithuanian fiance, I can categorically say that there are very few opportunites for good jobs in Lithuania itself. Put yourself in their shoes for a minute - what would you do if you were hard-working, ambitious and wanted to better yourself?
If you want to stop reading headlines like this vote UKIP, over to you Brain dead voting sheep.
Why are so many comments ignorant and detrimental to Eastern Europeans? Its not fair to tar all people with the same brush. This guy represents 0.01% of Lithuanians living in Great Britain but despite that statistic it still causes knee-jerk reaction for a lot of people. As an English person with a Lithuanian fiance I can completely sympathise with why Eastern European people come to our Country - its to better themselves. Admittedly there will be a smal fraction of people who come here to sponge off the State, but please take into consideration the vast majority who come here to work, especially those in high-ranking professional positions that English people couldn't fill themselves.
what is the point - we all know what needs to be done yet the people who can do nothing. time to leave the EU we get nothing from it except problems........ the time is now
So does that mean we have to let all criminals in to UK? You don't hear of France, Germany, having these problems - well I suppose that's about right, they just disregard all EU rulings anyway, and we welcome everyone in with open arms - as we are told, "its good for our economy!" Ha
They should taken him to the Tower Of London and left him there to rot. my thoughts are with the victim.
Why have we got to foot the bill for keeping this "man" in prison? Send him back on the next plane....then slam the doors shut on our borders!!!
And Mr. Cameroon still wants us to be part of EU..!!!!!
we all commenting, but doing nothing.. typing on a keyboard is easy, standing up and doing something is not in British nature, come on people!
come one, come all, everyone welcome, we promise no checks will be made on arrival.
Wow one guy came here and raped... okay he goes to jail, problem solved... but how about british natives?? you keep silent about yourselves... all I see is kids growing in gangs.. 8 year olds abusing teenagers... you think this is normal??? or an english man comes to Cardiff and gets beaten up for being english..... IT DOESN'T matter what nationality your are.... its the personality! I heard one british guy went to the same Lithuania and got himself in silly trouble... so what? now the whole country has to think that Britain is full of the same stupid people?? the answer is NO.... but to be honest these all comments of yours just show that you are all racists...The world is full of bad and good people and it doesn't matter what national you are... if the person is nice it shouldn't matter what colour or nationality he is, PEACE !
Wow one guy came here and raped... okay he goes to jail, problem solved... but how about british natives?? you keep silent about yourselves... all I see is kids growing in gangs.. 8 year olds abusing teenagers... you think this is normal??? or an english man comes to Cardiff and gets beaten up for being english..... IT DOESN'T matter what nationality your are.... its the personality! I heard one british guy went to the same Lithuania and got himself in silly trouble... so what? now the whole country has to think that Britain is full of the same stupid people?? the answer is NO.... but to be honest these all comments of yours just show that you are all racists...The world is full of bad and good people and it doesn't matter what national you are... if the person is nice it shouldn't matter what colour or nationality he is, PEACE !
We put our own nationals through intensive checks including C.R.B so why do foreigners just get the open door no questions asked ? On a side note the advert for the video is longer than the clip, and why do companies advertise a clip about knife crime and rape, I wont be buying that toothpaste.
VOTE UKIP!
SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Wanted in Lithuania and we let him in?
I thought criminal background checks were standard procedure before anybody comes into another country??? Good God, UK border officials, what the bleeding heck is wrong with you?
Perhaps some liberal politician can explain why why having something like this crawling round our streets is 'good for the economy'?
HOW ARE THESE LOW GUTT ER SCRAPEING SCUMBAGS GETTING IN ?
All the more reason why we need proper Boarder Controls. Not this FAUX system run by these corrupt officials.
"Butkus must serve a minimum nine years in jail before being considered for parole and faces deportation upon his release" - and faces deportation, what a laugh. This guy should be permanently banned from the UK, stuff his Human Rights.
Only one answer to this nonsense - VOTE UKIP.
Another success for our useless Border Agency.
We need someone that has had a working lifestyle to run this country and sort it out. None of these private school boys who live in another world, we need someone that knows what the people want and isnt afraid to get things done.
he will purchase a cat then judges will allow him to stay in the country
What are we doing allowing trash like this specimen into the UK? We are told be the likes of Clegg that one of the advantages of EU membership is the European Arrest Warrant - what happened here when a wanted individual just strolls into the UK?
Yeah, like there are no British rapists and murderers? Your reasoning is pathetic.
he is allowed to come here to support his family back home, despite many of us here having no work. Is he now in a british prison ? If so where is the money coming from to keep him, we are expected to cut back and go without, and yet this man, who should never have been allowed here in the first place having a criminal record , is being kept by us? can someone in government explain why ?
he probably has a cat here and cannot be deported.
THIS GOVERNMENT NEED'S KICKING TO THE KERB !!! TO MANY SCUMBAG'S ARE LET IN THIS COUNTRY , SHOP'S ARE CLOSING , ITS GOING DOWN HILL !!!!! WE NEED SOMEONE IN GOVERNMENT WHO CARE'S ABOUT ME !!! YOU !!! PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY ,
All those who blame Tony Blair should look at Lib.Dem. and Conservative policy over the last 40 years. They've all done it and UKIP are a pretend party and if ever they get in power they would have no guts to do anything. They're just Conservatives in disguise.
Does the HEART of the country still want to stay in the EU?
shut the borders now.
So a life sentence is 9 years?
Thank you Tony Blair
More Eastern European filth on our streets. Just wait til next year when the floodgates open.............
Its a pity that he didnt rape the politicians familys, perhaps they might take better care of the borders then, they are the ones that bought these evil people to our shores, send the eu criminals back now..
Good old EU. Get rid of your rubbish in Britain, France will not have them nor will Germany Cameron will make you welcome.
And what will happen when all the Rumanian and Bulgarians gain access to Uk under 'freedom to roam '- we will have most of their criminals as well - How does that benefit our nation SHUT OUR DOORS NOW
Get rid of this scumbag NOW!! make him serve his sentence in own prisons where they are not so soft as ours.
And what exactly types of benefits do we get from the EU?
and loads more eastern europeans due here soon stop it now we have no room no money no police no borders no hope vote ukip
Re comment from 'execblond', Perth, Australia. Excellent idea but, sadly with the inane Human Rights Act we have in this country, we cannot do this as it would breach their 'uman Rights!!! Sadly, this Act takes precedence over everything, even common sense!
We are FOOLS! The British people treated like DIrt! WHY do we stand for this!! We here cases like his every week, yet NOTHING is done, but our "Leaders" ha tell us we should NOT dump the EU! OUR people are SICK of the EU, get us out and LET'S get Britain back to sanity and so WE DEPORT who we want!! Shut the door NOW! Before thing get dreadfully worse!! UKIP for me
How about some of our top lawyers (who make plenty out of this nonsense) put together a class action on behalf of all those whose lives have been spoilt by criminally incompetant beaurocratic couldn't care lesses. Do it on a no-win-no-fee basis.
VOTE UKIP
I'm just so frigging tired of reading about these scum on a daily basis. We need to protect our women. Get these vile pukes out of my country NOW!!!!!!
daily we are given the glad news that yet another rape murder fraud has been commited by someone from the EU and their open door policy , we have the right to demand that the boarders to this ISLAND be patrolled properly and vigerously and that ANYONE can be denied entry to this nation ...as many have pointed out , let in with a cheery wave , down to the dole office , nice little flat ...then out to rape , we cant continue to allow or own people to be treated like this !!!
Thank you Mr Blair, Brown and Cameron! You and your wonderful multicultural ideals have and still are putting the lives of people at risk every day in this Country and you don't give a damn!!!
Mark my words, It can only get worse from January next year. Tens of thousands of poor Romanians and Bulgarians've already applied for passports in order to come to UK. Lots of criminals will arrive here under false name, with 2-3 passports each.
Knee jerk reaction time....lets ban knives....oh yes it worked a treat.
And no doubt he was claiming our benefits so effectively being paid to stay here... Disgusting. - Jac w , Weymouth, 15/1/2013 06:40 sorry but there is more brits that claim benefits so shut up... also even when you will have Border Protection everyone still be allowed in!! as no one will check crime records to decide if you can enter the country!! think peaople!!
Takers Takers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid
This is becoming very frighteneing for the good people of Britain. With the floodgates open from December, Christmas 2013 will not have much to cheer about. The East Europeans are coming! They are champing at the bit to claim our benefits, although they have put nothing in. They will bring their families and kids for the child benefit. They will bring their mafia style crime. They have no respect for us, nor authority. Our British woman have cause to be worried. The only way to divorce ourselves of the EU mess, is to VOTE UKIP or BNP.
People like that are sickening. They disgrace their country and put a bad name on hard-working and honest Lithuanians. I'm Lithuanian, and I would think the best would be to lock him up in UK, that will mean that he'll get the punishment he deserves. In Lithuania, unfortunately punishments for scum bags like that are not severe enough to teach them a lesson. He would serve maybe couple of years, and would be released on parole, because of 'good behaviour' and continue what he's doing, people like that don't change. I know UK don't want people like that and they're right, nobody does, but unfortunately, all human rights nonsense leave people like that without proper punishment.
Vote ukip, get these scumbags out...stronger border controls are needed now..
I'd have thought after Moira Jones was tragically murdered in Glasgow a few years ago by a known Eastern European sex attacker that border control will have been seriously reviewed - it seems not. Why can't we get the changes we need in this country?
We are allowing wild beasts to roam large. Who will save us? Not the Bullingdon Boys in their ivory towers.
Dont vote ukip as some comments on here say , remember they will form an alliance with labour , so things will only get worse.
Mr Cameron says we must stay in EU,he refuses to listen to the people of UK.Being in EU is giving people like this rapist a choice to appeal once leaving prison to stay is UK as it will be his human right.Id be out of UK as fast as possible if i could afford it.UKIP maybe our saviour.
Politicians live in "Cuckoo Land" not in our world.
Add your vote to HM Government E petion "Close our borders know" . Enough is enough.
Deport him now. Not in nine years time. Let an officer fly back with him and hand him over to the Lithuanian police. Simple.
But this type of person enriches society, is a hard worker etc.
What are we paying passport control for I wonder... ukip next time round.
Hundreds of thousands more are predicted to arrive in Britain soon. Foriegn Criminals - Coming to a street near you - Blair started it - Brown continued it - Cameron HIDES from it ! UKIP Needed.
Thats all its going to be is reports of Ferel immigrants who only come here to loot and plunder...and Rape as well..Long live the EU ...NOT!!!
Deport this filth.
We take in any old criminal these days - just wait until 2014 for even more to be allowed in. Multiculturalism and more importantly, open EU borders, does not work. Never has done and never will. Close the borders and only let in professionals like respected doctors and nurses. We really don't need anyone else.
And no doubt he was claiming our benefits so effectively being paid to stay here... Disgusting.
What grips me is this scumbag faces 'possible' deportation after his release. Am I on the same planet here folks? He should be put in a sack today and sent back to a dungeon in his homeland to serve out his sentence full stop. Absolutely, vote UKIP.
Why has no politician spoke out about this and many other cases like it... Silence from them all, a sit is they who sign these agreements in our name....YES the victims should sue the UK Government but not the tax payers to pay the cost....the MP's.
and we let him in, what is this country coming too, we need to take tighter control of our boarders and patrol our streets, more police, better training, we need to feel safe on our streets again, and stop letting anyone and everyone in
Another case of 'Open border crime', how many people have to be raped, injured or killed before we stop having open borders. Vote UKIP, it seems the only way to stop this abuse. This must also be causing problems for well behave immigrants who are being tarred with the same brush.
Do what happens here in OZ, lock em up on arrival, until backgrounds and paperwork have been checked
Even if you vote UKIP, it's probably too late. If you can, leave now. If you can't then vote UKIP and throw your full support behind them.
What happened to Border Protection! If a fugitive tried to get into this country he would be stopped!
Just wait until December this year when the EU floodgates really open and another FOUR MILLION immigrants swamp the already grossly overcrowded UK. VOTE UKIP TO GET YOUR COUNTRY BACK FROM THE EVIL CLUTCHES OF THE OBSCENE EU.
and when his sentence is served he will fight deportation on the grounds his human rights would be violated if he was sent back to gaol in his own country.
He was a criminal when he came here AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED AT THE BORDER AND SENT BACK HOME. No criminal should be allowed into Britain whether they come from the EU or the rest of the World.
before he gets thrown back please serve the time for the crime committed...
THANKS TO THE LABOUR PARTYS MASS IMMIGRATION FOR VOTES POLICY
If the British people don't stop voting for Lib / Lab / Con - then expect more and more of this - but of course it wont affect the politicians , they all live in leafy suburbs , well away from all of this .
How can politicians dare to bjt spin and scare monger us about leaving the EU when this is now a daily occurrence on our streets WAKE UP BRITAIN VOTE UKIP!! Romania and Bulgarian gypsies are waiting!!!!
Congratulations Britain on landing another piece of criminal scum. You've got him for as long as HE wants to be there because it'll be against his so-called human rights (what sicko came up with that misnomer!!?) to deport him - or better still execute him! He'll be back out on the streets in a couple of years, living on long-suffering taxpayer handouts and raping more innocent women. How great is that, eh?!!
no border controls,being told what to do by a panel of merrymen from brussles ,whilst are kids are be raped and killed ,by foreigner with no accountability welcome to soft ,soft uk what say you david old boy ?
More of this to come from 1.1.2014 when all the Bulgarian and Romanian criminals flock to the UK.
The solution is easy. Death penalty for rapists. They only come here because they know that British Justice is a joke and nothing will happen to them even if caught. We bring so many woes upon ourselves because the loony left legacy still prevails.
This is Just The Beginning!!!!
Time to give the EU the big finger! All British military personnel made redundant, should be immediately employed in sealing the borders. Then any EU dross [or half of Africa,Asia and the Far East] caught be deported tout suite back to FRANCE and elsewhere. Hollande will need them for voters anyway.
Do the government purposely want people's lives to be a misery surrounded by scum who face no real punishment for destroying others lives. Is it some kind of experiment until we beg them for ID cards or something. There's just no logic behind it, the criminals are destroying society, I sick of it.
Your comments:Why are you people complaining,the crybabies are in the ascendant,it is not about the girl it is about the rights of the individual,foreign or otherwise,the 'uhman rights act supersedes all,there are no borders hence no responsibilities temporal or otherwhise,do as you will the invitation is free.
Thank you so much, EU.
These horrific crimes will continue due to our spineless politicians and pathetic judicial system as long as we remain in the EU.We have totally lost control of our borders.Neither Cameron or Miliband will listen to the non silent majority.Vote UKIP save our Britain.
I'm just glad I don't have children/grandchildren - I don't want to contemplate what this country will be like in 20/30/40 yrs; that's assuming it still exists as a viable 'independent' and identifiable state. And Bulgaria and Romania have yet to join!
Criminals can just walk in ,but i have a friend who has been trying to get a visa for his wife for nearly a year.
Feeling 'enriched'?
A double-rapist gets 4yrs 6 months for each assault!! 'Minimum 9 years' after beating and raping 2 women! Just like the other 'rape'report elsewhere in DM I am just left stunned that an English Judge yet again completely fails to reflect the appalling agony of the victims or the demands of society that decent people be protected! I do predict with the rapidly rising lack of confidence in British Judiciary there will be increasing vigilantism with all the gross mistakes that entails unless UK Judges realise their abiding duty to the general public of issuing clear DETERRENT Sentences.
Just wait til the Bulgarians and Romanians have access to live here. We will have to house them and pay welfare for them. Open borders. Time to reclaim the country. Did I read that only 33 pct want out of the EU? That is quite puzzling.
Time to sort out the UKBA who should have prevented this EEA effluent setting foot on British soil. Mr Cameron , please log on to DM online and read the comments posted by the real, sane thinking, British public. 99% of their comments are a true reflection of how the British public view your shoddy attempt at Government and especially border control.
More non-indigenous filth.
How much more of this are we going to put up with before we take to the streets , like the French,and get this stopped once and for all.
All those who have suffered at the hands of these scum bags, be it rape, burglary, robbery, car theft etc. etc. should sue Tony Blair and his cronies. Take them to court and make them pay for your distress by opening the borders for the scum to come into Britain. My father said 30 years ago Britain would become a dumping ground for the rest of the world, and it has, just go to terminal 3 at Heathrow.
We're cutting back on our police force because we don't have any money and our economy has collapsed, probably because we are now overpopulated and all of our resources are overwhelmed, so as if we don't have enough home-grown scum.............we have to import it. UKIP may not outright win the next election, but neither will Camoron and the Tories.
Thill keep happening untill we stop people just coming into the country with no checks at all. How many more women have to suffer before the Goverment will actually do something?
...and theres potentially another 49 million just queuing up to get here right now thanks to the EU rulings. What a sad country this has become.
Phaedrus, Penzance, I also cannot believe we are the only member of the EU suffering from this problem. Certainly there are, take a look at the Swedish papers(in English) and you'll find the same problems especially with rape.
Sue the Home Office and Border Control.
Expect a few million more like him when Romania and Bulgaria followed closely by Turkey and Croatia. join us next year. Good being in the EU don't you think. Worth paying £53million a day for.
Yep, welcome to labours vision. A safe haven to the worlds scammers, fraudsters, rapists and thiefs
UKIP
We need capital punishment - widely applied - as a deterrent and to clear out prisons - applied retrospectively to existing inmates. Punish not Rehabilitate.
Yet more "diversity and enrichment" from the EU-SSR! Thanks LibLabCon for turning Britain into a more "vibrant" place...
What was ww1 and ww2 all about then
Note the weasel words- after parole he "faces deportation upon his release" Not WILL be deported, but FACES deportation, thats if the UKBA can be bothered to pick him up when he is released. And if they do he'll be released pending appeal ( at our expense) whereupon he will disappear until the next crime. So why isn't he sent home to serve his time as allowed under EU rules?
And the British Border Agency allowed him into OUR country, who is getting fired for that? We must vote UKIP to get our country back, it is our only chance.
I think this is why the PM doesn't want to leave the EU... He enjoys the people of Britain suffering.....Get out now and give us back our borders, you coward!
I cant understand why any country would have an open door policy regadless of the reason, even if people from other countries do have the right to live and work in another country does that mean they should not be vetted first... surely there should be a visa system were people have to submit a police report at least or a central data base that police and immigration officials can tap in to.. its a total sham..
The problem is we have restrictions on our own citizens which we can easily check up through CRB checks which are done in India, yet anyone coming here can get around these checks and go straight into work leapfroging British citizens thanks to Labours Equality Act 2010 which states that minorities should be given preference over white men. Those coming here come with low skills sets and take up low waged jobs which means that our national pension scheme cannot cope because the foreigners aren't paying enough into the scheme. AT EVERY TURN MEMBERSHIP OF THE EU HAS BEEN DISASTEROUS FOR BRITAIN.
DM, PLEASE PRINT THIS....IT IS MY HUMAN RIGHT TO HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, AND I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING THAT ISN'T TRUE~~~~~~~~~~~~~My god, everything you read is about criminals from Europe, thieving, fraud, more thieving, rape....we already have enough of our own criminals we don't want any more. What is our country becoming?? Lets get out of Europe and send them all back....They would soon disappear, if their benefits were scrapped!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~VOTE UKIP ~~~~~~~~
This is it.. what I am afraid of, the Border have no Control, instead of Border Control.. so may be people who wants to come here, if they are from EU, check the name, nationality dob and finger prints against the Police crime in those country, hence, if they are on the list of the police those country we have the authority to object them to come here. Secondly even though they have the right to come here, the Border Agency have the right to ask them how much money they have,where they are going to stay, if they have relatives, can we have the address and cross check with them, and what is the purpose to come here, If you are in Asia, some of the country ask like that if they are suspicious they will deport you straight away. Surely UKBA should protect their people.
Just political tools....how to break up a civilised society.....yes EU is a shining example of the tyranny we are under....give him a house and a pension....then you compare us to Apes as being fair....haha dont be so naive DM.
Another " guest " committing a heinous crime, time to stop these animals coming here.
Labour:the gift that keeps on giving.
Working as Intended, the EU let's migrants come into the country and do as they will, even if it's rape women... oh wait is this where we draw the line, didn't think we had a line.
Another one ? How many more times do I have to read this scenario, and how many women will be traumatised by these sorts of attack ?
Isn't it time to close the door. There's only one political party with the guts to do it, and they've just overtaken the Tories in the latest opinion poll. First place is only a matter of time for UKIP, and then we will se some real action in this country, and a whole raft of vagabonds, scroungers, and pretend asylum seekers, will be chased back to where they came from!
How many more dangerous immigrants like Mindaugas Butkus are out there? It's a question that can't be answered because the government doesn't even know how many immigrants have entered the country.
Good to see our great boarder control doing their job?.
BRAVE GIRL .GLAD SHE SEEMS TO BE IN CONTROL OF HER LIFE . PITY ABOUT THE EASTERN EUROPEAN CRIMINAL SCUM THAT IS FLOODING THE COUNTRY.MANY MORE TO COME IN DECEMBER.
OUT OUT OUT OUT OUT - PIG SCUM. Another result from the Border Agency and this government!
Without any right to appeal etc, PUT HIM ON A PLANE NOW! Foreign criminals should be banned for whole of life from entering or staying in the UK! Sadly we get the cess pit of foreign criminals who exploit serious security lapses thanks to rulers in the EU!
I wonder if there is a figure for how many adults & children have been attacked/raped because of our open border. How many British people would be alive today if we had control of all immigration and asylum seeking issues. These things happen in every country yes, but uncontrolled immigration has caused crime to become totally out of control in the UK. He will not be deported, he'll join the other garbage already here and hide among half of romania and bulgaria who are packing their bags right now. I despair.....and it makes me SO angry we have to build more houses, prisons, hospitals etc to accomodate more of them and chuck away more taxpayers money with our International Benefits System.
What is the prime function of Passport Control ?
With completely open borders this will continue to happen, just wait until more countries can travel freely. The EU will never work in the current format, I also cannot believe we are the only member of the EU suffering from this problem. I can only guess there are many people in many countries wondering what they have done agreeing to open borders and mass economic migration.
He should be deported immediately with the Lithuanian goverment incarcerating him for 9 years, its adding insult to iinjury ,that this monster attacks British nationals and is then kept in one of our soft prisons at our expense.
And this is what the E.U say we have to allow into our country with open arms and pay them and house tham as soon as they set foot on our soil.GET US OUT THE EU NOW.
Take him off the streets!!!!!! Take him out of the country and throw the trash back where he came from.What is happening to Briton? Letting in all the scum from all over the world.You polititans have lost control.
Everytime something like this happens it's another spit in the face from our useless, but sly, politicians and the cauldron of hell that's the EU. If we don't put our faith in UKip absolutely nothing will change for the better.
Vote UKIP if you want your country back.
SCUM!
No sense of priorities. Like building a cathedral in which the starving poor may worship.
The only exhibit an EU Museum needs is a small plinth with a broken clock on it.
For 'House of European History' read 'The House of European Propaganda'. Another shameless attempt to sell the European project to the masses. Our own culture is being airbrushed away while this ridiculous idea will cost us dear indeed. Beginning in 1946? How convenient for Germany. Tell it like it is/was and it'll reveal just how little we have in common with our European cousins. Shameless self promotion from an unelected European elite.
Yet another waste of OUR money... lets stop this stupidity before starts. it`s about time you lot in London packed up and let us girls take care of the purse strings..# YOU would be surprised
It is self-aggrandisement at the expense of the taxpayer. If the parliament wants this project then it should get donations from Federalists, well paid MEPs themselves or companies who want to support it.'** Anyone disagree?
We are not geographically part of Europe-so what are we doing paying for ‘an awareness of European identity’? We must get out-we can not afford the membership fees anymore! UKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIPUKIP How many more times does it have to be said?
Support The Bruges Group and get their regular emails with their expert analyses and also details of all their meetings. I have been doing this for some time now.
Memo to Cameron and Clegg, that well known musical hall duo. Don't p--s on my back and tell me its raining.
Brussels are taking enough of our money without us having to pay toward the cost of a House of History. It's those who are running the EU who want their names in lights, like Poettering, but at our expense. I say if that's what he wants then let him pay for it, he's getting a handsome salary seeing that he's the president. ANOTHER WITH HIS SNOUT IN THE TROUGH
That IDIOT Cameron will go along with it as long as he has his sight set on a top job in the EU when he gets thrown out.Stop this farce now before the capital gets totally wrecked,we have had enough
A monument to mediocrity and hypocrisy. Cancel it forthwith. It'll only be a rewrite of the truth to satisfy the Brussels gurus and placate our one time enemies. Not a penny from Britain, please Dave, we cannot afford to maintain our own honorable, rich and true history let alone contribute to this sham.
More EU Hogwash!
I think this question has been asked before 'How much is Poland paying.'
This building project isn't even started. ABORT IT NOW. Totally ridiculous, particularly in these hard economic times. It hardly seems appropriate with euro countries failing. We should revert to Common Market status. Referendum NOW.
Google.... Alternative to the EU The Bruges Group... then read the pdf full analysis of their idea to replace the EU with EFTA, the European Free Trade Area... This is masses better for Britain... masses cheaper for Britain and will help to build up to a million jobs where they are needed most... in making things! Of course we would have to fight like the devil to get any in Westminster to listen to us because they (like the union chiefs) are on a promise for the EU gravy train... but SHOUT folks and keep shouting and e-mailing MPs... we need to WIN this one.
The European Commission has pledged €10m in aid to support Japanese people made homeless by last month’s earthquake and tsunami. Isn't that generous
Have YOU signed 'The Pledge' at eupledge.com . . . . . . . There's also peoplespledge.org Sign up and start to put an end to this MADNESS!!
If the good citizens of Brussels want a dam museum then LET THEM PAY FOR IT!!!!
Yes Rita Sussex lets go back in time before Britain joined the EU.Stikes,stikes and strikes.Just listen to Alf Garnett and Arthur discussion in the pup over the Pool of London.For days ships could wait to unload.I sold Senior Service for 30 bob to the dockers .Those were the days.
They should have stuck to the origional budget and stopped when the money ran out. The resulting unfinished, over ambitious carbuncle would have been a better example of the typical EU muddle, than any other museum exhibit.
With twenty odd countries in the EU, why do we have to stump up one seventh of the cost? Surely everyone should pay the same for something like this. Is one in seven exhibits going to be about Blighty? I sincerely hope so. And anyone who hasn't paid their fair share needs to belt up!
With a bit of luck the EU will have its very own place in history
Just another reason why we should ditch this unelected, undemocratic shambles of an EEC. This is only one of the reasons I will never forgive our politicians past and present for selling our country down the river. Our ancestors who fought and died for our freedoms must be spinning in their graves.
When contracts are written make sure they are not open ended. Fix the price with No extras.. This way the contract price remains the same throughout the contract. Every government contract always ends up costing up to 10x the original contract price.
Does any one else think it is wierd that the UKIP has an Argentinian born spanish woman as an MEP.
IF BRUSSELS WANT THIS LET THEM PAY STUFF EU AND ALL THE LAZY IDLE MPs Cameron grow a pair
How many British people are going to visit a museum of European History in Brussels? And we all know it will be EU propaganda and politically correct nonsense not to mention History that has been conveniently changed by the EU.
How many British people are going to visit a museum of European History in Brussels? And we all know it will be EU propaganda and politically correct nonsense not to mention History that has been conveniently changed by the EU.
To all those calling for an early exit from the EU......Have YOU signed 'The Pledge' at eupledge.com...?.....Have YOU asked YOUR MP why he/she has chosen to ignore the call..?...YES, I have done both these things, but still waiting for a response from my MP....Two weeks and counting.
I sincerely hope they don't put all the old relics from all the european countries in it. We've seen and heard enough of them already.
Why are we putting up with this? £136.5m is an awful lot of moolah and in a time when private and public sector jobs are being snuffed out do we really need this monstrosity stupid "thing" commissioned? UKIP and all their anti-EU colleagues around Europe need to stand up and say "NO!"
How dare the unelected EU try to WRITE OUT all member states history, as if no other history before THEIR year Zero matters! What a cheek. That is exactly what will follow that Marxist mind bending museum, which in true commie style will no doubt distort the facts. As for them deluding themselves “that they helped to bring down the Berlin Wall”, sadly NO THEY DID NOT! They simply extended the wall boundaries to imprison all EU member states. To hell with the EU! Who in their rightful mind would pay to see their own demise? For goodness sake Mr. Cameron, get us out of that damn EU, before its too late!
Great - I think I'll visit it.
Out out out. Are you listening Opperman, MP for Hexham? Thought not
Maggie would not have allowed this. C'mon Dave grow some balls and say there is no British money available.
Ridiculous. But it doesn't seem all that much when we've just heard that Cameron's given £650 million to Pakistan's education system. What IS he thinking of, when here in the UK we've had to stop school building projects, cut teachers and increase class sizes?
Noel Smith 16.43.The EU flag means a lott to me without it no export of incapacity benefit,no credits nor my 53% pension.
Can you believe it that thief Cameron has just said he's giving millions to Pakistan. I feel sick to the stomach. People we really need to move fast to rid ourselves of this lunatic. Why does he treat us like imbeciles ? I swear im far from stupid but it angers me that he thinks i am. Someone please organise a demonstration . All the stealing of our hard earned taxes has to stop .
Norman, Durham, Engand, 05/4/2011 15:59 eerrrr UKIP is a minority party (hopefully not for long) so maybe you should reconsider your opinion on AV !! if AV gets passed and it gets UKIP afew MPs they maybe they can use that to force a referendum on the EU because you will never get one whilst the big 3 are running the show --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry kevin quilter, Leicester UKnotOK said the above, I forgot to put my line across to separate it. I said "I made enquiries with UKIP's headquarters and although they say that AV isn't anywhere near perfect, they are recommending that people vote for it, it will give them a better chance to get elected." Apologies to Kevin!!!
lets start the museum at agincourt look foreward to trafalger,waterloo,quebec,portugal, spain,the armada,then came the liberation of france, holland,belgium twice world wars 1/2 the magino line ww1. against who?....yes you got it there old enemy germany. europe do you really want this museum. BRITAIN SAVED YOU GO FOR IT. THE BRITISH MUSEUM OF EUROPE,
If construction hasn't yet started, you've just saved a bunch of money! DOH! - Pete, Los Angeles ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- er....what? How is the cost doubling "saving us a bunch of money"???
Norman, Durham, Engand, 05/4/2011 15:59 eerrrr UKIP is a minority party (hopefully not for long) so maybe you should reconsider your opinion on AV !! if AV gets passed and it gets UKIP afew MPs they maybe they can use that to force a referendum on the EU because you will never get one whilst the big 3 are running the show I made enquiries with UKIP's headquarters and although they say that AV isn't anywhere near perfect, they are recommending that people vote for it, it will give them a better chance to get elected.
The Euro coin is part of the history they intend from 1946 onwards.Printed on the Dutch 2 Euro coin is God be with us a slogan the Dutch used when whiping out indeginous populations,if they are going to show European history say it all.
European Parliament President Hans-Gert Poettering wants the controversial museum to 'cultivate the memory of European history'==========================Yes the main focus must therefore be the German peoples responsibility for 2 world wars and the deaths of millions.
If this farcical "European Folly " goes ahead, which would be a disgrace in the eyes of the british taxpayer, the majority of whom want to get out of this MEP gravy train, ( no doubt Europhiles Cameron and Clegg will buy into it , both looking forward to the greater good of Self with eventual positions within the EU ?? ), if any one thinks that the cost will stay at £136.5 million, then they better think again!! the eventual cost will in all probability, be in the region of double that figure. Take a look at "Holyrood" which was estimated originally at 92million, and I predicted then that the final cost would be closer to 400 million, ( I underestimated it ), so the british taxpayer will be footing an even bigger bill, the European Union is a disaster area, get us out of it.
Norman, Durham, Engand, 05/4/2011 15:59 eerrrr UKIP is a minority party (hopefully not for long) so maybe you should reconsider your opinion on AV !! if AV gets passed and it gets UKIP afew MPs they maybe they can use that to force a referendum on the EU because you will never get one whilst the big 3 are running the show
I must admit that I've read a lot of European history recently (Germany, Poland, Russia) and this sounds as though it will be a great place to visit now that our local libraries are closing.
If construction hasn't yet started, you've just saved a bunch of money! DOH!
"European Parliament President Hans-Gert Poettering wants the controversial museum to 'cultivate the memory of European history'" The sooner the EU becomes history the better, vote UKIP and get us out of this dictatorship spending OUR money on these stupid projects. We are paying the EU £77billion yearly for this rubbish and getting nothing back except cutbacks and job loses. MEP Gerard Batten has finally got a breakdown of what the EU is costing each and every one of us, have a look at his new blog, we need to act now before they take every penny off of us.
Yet another expensive White Elephant or hole in the ground. The mid boggles, but other wise people have already said, history is repeating itself very clearly and loudly.
Phil,Manchester.5/4/2011 14.36.......Good idea Phil.........SO come on you opinion writers,someone suggest a date for an EU Flag Burning Day and lets agree to stick to it ! I,m not usually into flag burning but the EU flag does not represent anything or anyone so it needs to BURN !!!
25 countries to agree on a single version of European history? Can we buy tickets for these meetings?
I don't suppose any real consideration has been given as to whether anyone would like to visit this museum. It sounds like another white elephant project from the EU.
Say it loud & clear - UKIP gets MY VOTE from NOW ON. and NO to AV - otherwise minority parties will be in controll for ever.!!
I've a better idea. Lets house all those unelected commie evil twisted greedy gits in the museum. We can call it the Eurodisney 2
The £156m brainwashing experiment. Walk these floors and forget your identity. Leave through the museum shop with new European awareness!
The only way Brussels can get a history of it's own is to steal everyone else's. And for a country that has only played a recent part in that history just exactly why is the museum being built in Brussels. Oh I hope rthey have more than there fair share of outside EU builders on the project. LOL
That could be one museum piece, the document showing the last time the accounts were signed off, as truthfull and correct, lol
If you think "Disneyland" is fantacy - wait untill you see what they put in this place. The gross lies will make Goebbles look like a Sunday School teacher.
Vote for AV in the May referendum and we might just see a UKIP government in power to get us out of this mess called the EU.
That two faced creep Shameron is in Pakistan doing his dirty deals . He doesnt give a stuff about us. This country is on its knees and he's off proberbly pledging more of our tax money to those plebs all for the afghan pipeline to cut through the North of their country. I could scream . Our Government are a bunch of frauds. Roll on next election
Time the voice of the majority was heard,OUT OF THE EU NOW.
I wish i could flush the EU fat cats and their barmy ideas down the pan.My country has been destroyed and i wish to salvage whats left of it. I will never vote for the 3 puppet parties ever.
Is this the New World History Museum according to the Bildeberg/Frankfurt etc Group - with history totally revamped to suit the new inhabitants of the EU? Orwell, eat your heart out
EUROPEAN HISTORY: - WAR, GREED, INVASION, MORE WAR, ART, MORE WAR, HOLOGOST, WAR, COLDWAR, FOOTBALL, EU, GREED, CURRUPTION AND WHEN ALL THE MONEY HAS GONE AND THE RESOURCES HAVE RUN OUT WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO FAMINE AND EVEN MORE WAR, ISN'T EUROPE GREAT.
The Irish will be protesting tomorrow at the Dail .They want out as much as we do. We need to strike to stop this financial terrorism .
and then they will charge you again to go inside. - Graeme (Scots Expat), Singapore, 5/4/2011 15:00 ____________________________________ And when you try to leave they'll keep asking you to reconsider your decision until you reach the "right" one...........
As a proud European I'll just be glad to visit a museum rather than some snooty palace owned by an undemocratic Royal Family. - Russ Atmos, Manchester, England, ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Got to love the irony of someone being a fan of the EU because they don't like something that is undemocratic.
and then they will charge you again to go inside.
Hey! Who cares what it costs,it's not coming out of our pocket. Your (wealthy) MEP
I hate the mention of the word EU and that swine Heat should have been hun drawn and quartered for duping the electorate. Damn damn damn the EU - Tommy , Salisbury UK, 5/4/2011 14:45 CMON PEOPLE, NO PARTY CAN TAKE THE MORAL HIGH GROUND HERE, THEYRE ALL IMPLICIT IN THIS, LIB/LAB/CON SHOULD BE HUNG DRAWN & QUARTERED.
YTell us some more baout how they are squandering our money. I hate the mention of the word EU and that swine Heat should have been hun drawn and quartered for duping the electorate. Damn damn damn the EU
When do we strike ? Come on people how much more can we take? - adam, herts, 5/4/2011 11:27 STRIKE?? YOU DO KNOW THAT WORD INDUCES VOMITING AMONGST DM READERS? THERES NO CHANCE OF LARGE SCALE ACTION FOR THIS CAUSE AS MOST PEOPLE ARE UNEDUCATED ON THE SUBJECT AS THE MEDIA TIPTOE AROUND THE ISSUE (FAIR PLAY TO THE DM FOR HIGHLIGHTING IT) ALSO THERE IS A MUCH STRONGER FEELING IN MY OPINION ON THE VANDALISM PLANNED AGAINST THE NHS - THAT COULD MOBILISE PEOPLE.
Will there be an exhibit for one of their founder members, even after his death he is still the most active one. Vidcund Quisling. He has still plenty of active supporters in The Palace of Westminster.
Anyone like to suggest which day we should set aside this year for national burn an EU flag day ?.
Of course the cost has doubled. How many Euro MP's and their 'friends' have had their snouts in the trough to get their share? All the EU is good at is squandering OUR money.
Yet another reason to leave the EU. Yet another reason to support the British National Party.
It is good to see that or contributions to the EU are not being wasted. I feel so much better about the standing in the rain and wind waiting for my bus at Norwich bus station. By shutting the recently built waiting room after 6pm allows the money saved to be spent on this wonderful museum in Brussels. Hooray for the EU. Another fine example how this country has benefited from such a wonderful organisation.
This 'farce' of a museum is nothing more than the 'commie' stinking EU grandstanding and blowing it's own trumpet. It feels it has to, because more and more people around Europe are getting sick and tired of it. The only EU museum I want to visit, is the one that tells the true story of the entire, sorry, failed, commie attempt at European domination. IT HAS FAILED. It has cost Britain hundreds of billions alone, and for what? Virtually all of Britains problems right now are directly attributable to being mixed up in this stinking commie nightmare. After this EU monstrosity implodes, even I would pay money to go and enjoy the virtual experience of the former EU, so I could enjoy it's ending again and again. Put the EU out of it's misery now. It must be killed off!
We could have funded a couple of hospitals for than amount of money.
Well people do keep voting for the same three political parties so wat do you expect?
Quote: ''The EU costs the UK £8.3 billion "net" a year. It costs £9 billion to administer its new regulations and directives annually and more to administer earlier regs. Between 2000-2009 (latest Government figures) there was a "net" trade deficit with the EU of £262 billion. The Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) costs British taxpayers billions for the benefit of foreign farmers. The Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) has directly cost us 400,000 jobs, ruined an entire industry and emptied the North sea of fish, taken by foreign fishermen. So what's in it for us? NOTHING. We are the fools and cash cows for the EU.....'' On 5th May, you know what to do. If you don't know what to do, you will need to vote 'Yes' to 'AV' in order for UKIP MPs to get into Westminster. That is the only way the British people will ever get their 'in/out' referendum on the EU. Remember this on 5th May.
Time for a violent response to these arrogant foriegn pick-pockets. Democracy doesn't work. None of the political parties that get elected will ever take us OUT and the two that want us out will never form a government. Only answer is direct action. I'd like to see that damned blue rag burning starters.
Susan, Gloucestershir said : "There is little point in having a museum unless it contains works of historical or aesthetic signficance (which, presumably, will not be the case here, given the nature of the EU museum and the very recent period of history it covers) . Without these things, the arguments and histories presented in a display can just as easily be presented in a book, which would actually earn money rather than costing it. It's a disgrace that we are funding this, when decent museums are being closed here, and works of art are under threat of being deaccessioned." Since this period of "history" is so recent you could probably do a podcast including people who were around at the time. How far would £19M go if spent wisely on our over 65's? Even £136.5m for old people all over Europe...
Can't pay, won't pay.
Spending on the EU museum can be deferred. It's not like there is a lot to be put in it right now so it does not need a large building.
When will you idiots wake up and start backing UKIP?
A mueseum the majority of briton's neither want, care about or have any intention of visiting. When are the British public going to rise up and say enough is enough, they wont give us refendum because they know exactly which way we will vote! WE WANT A REFERENDUM ON TH EU NOW!!
"For something to be true, one only has to believe it to be true."- George Orwell. BTW, what is "the concept of a European idea?"
Doofus, Newbury said: "So only european history after 1945 will be shown. All of the really significant euro history happened between 1914 and 1945." Even taking things back to 1914 is still only scratching the surface. I'd expect the Italians and Greeks to want nothing to do with this. Considering their capital cities have existed for over two and a half thousand years. Even Brussels is around a thousand years old. Calling the last 65 years "European history" is daft, it covers a period of at least 35 times that.
Remember dont vote for any of the three main parties. They are TRAITORS out to feather their own nests and to hell with the sheep
What we need is a referendum on the EU to get us out and stop wasting OUR money on expensive crackpot ideas suggested by unelected gravy train riders. Is there anyone left to protect this country from itself. Certainly not this government; it takes me all my courage to read the news these days it makes me so downhearted.Goodness knows how people without a job or struggling financially feel when they read this lunacy.I shall vote UKIP next time they cannot be any worse than the spineless lot we have in or have had in.
I'll be glad when the EU is history..Now that I would visit a museum to learn about!
It will be more like £272million, just like the Scottish parliament. A bottomless pit for these jokers!!!.
Why should we pay a pennyh towards a European Museum when we cant afford to keep pur own museums and libraries open. I am really getting sick of the European waste of my money.
Let the Irish pay for it. After all that's where lots of our money is going even though we aren't even a member of the Euro. The Portugese and the Greeks can chip in.
It'll be open for a few years, then they'll find some excuse to close it and convert the building to palatial offices for Eurocrats. They only butter their own parsnips.
Call me stupid but I don't get the math here ... there are 27 MEMBER STATES which means equal contributions are £5.05m - Me, in the EU!!, 05/4/2011 12:56 Who told you that the EU was a collection of states making equal contributions? I don't know the actual split in this instance but I bet it is not equal contributions!!!! The UK has always been a net contributor, whilst many of the 'poorer' states are net recipients of EU funds.....
.....and how much is it costing the other EU member states then? There are 27 member states of the EU so 136.5 million / 27 - 5.05 each so why does the UK have to pay 19? Hardly fair and equal is it but hey neither is the fact that the English pay for prescriptions and the Scots and Welsh don't.....where Harpie Harman the "Equality Queen" when you need her.....?
How much of this money is going in to back pockets? It is a well known fact that auditors refuse to sign off the EU's corrupt accounts. Perhaps the museum should have a special department dedicated to the history of fraud and corruption within the European Union.
I wonder what the Time Lords think about the EU!!!!!!!
Stop whining and vote in the coming referendum. If you can't be bothered to get off your be hynds, then suffer the consequences.
....We should be proud to be European and a museum is the perfect way to teach our children and grandchildren about the sacrifices made to create and build the EU. I for one cannot wait to visit it. - Les Bubb, Belfast, 05/4/2011 11:11... We should be proud of our 'sacrifices' to build the EU ??!! You REALLY need to get more Les ! Exactly what do you expect to see in it ?
I've had enough its either UKIP OR BNP for me.
To Les Bubb and what sacrifices would that be exactly from 1946 onwards? apart from the tax payers as I have never seen any politicians sacrificing anything and they aren't likely to when it means more money for them and jobs running the damned museum. Only the EU could be so stupid as to try to promote and still sell to us a failure. Reminds me of a saying by a politician "I will fight to the last drop of YOUR BLOOD" They should know when to quit and stop pursuing a dead horse but then where are all these defunct politicians going to get another job after be deselected from their own national parties/governments.
Get out of Europe NOW. They are ripping off the British taxpayer. Our government Dave and Nick should be ashamed of themselves they are paying and allowing this to happen..
More money wasted. Its about time Cameron got off his backside and fight for the British, every way he sells us to the dogs. mambo Marina
Its about time we had a referendum on Europe, we have been robbed of our sovereignty by successive governments and it is high time we said enough, we are not taking this treachery any longer. You work for us, not the other way around and we will not be insulted like this any longer!
Another completely unnecessary EU project and another EU scam at the tax payer's expense. Will it ever end?
£136.5 million for a museum spanning European history over just 65 years! Two thirds of it will be concentrated on explaining the evolution of the EU no doubt. If there was ever a case of gross misuse of tax payer funds this has to be it. BRITAIN OUT OF THE EU NOW!
I wonder what the Time Lords are saying about the EU!!!!!!!!!!!
".........It defies both belief and logic that in this age of austerity MEPs have the vast sums of money to fund this grossly narcissistic project. ‘Worst of all is that the chairman of the committee responsible for giving the go-ahead to the project sits on its board of trustees. .....‘In any other parliament such a clear conflict of interests would not be tolerated.’ ........"........ Says it all, really. European history? IF schoolchildren were still taught their own country's history, this ludicrous narcissistic project would never have come about. We don't want or need it. And when we get out of Europe - are you listening, Cameron? - such useless money pits will be toast.
Call me stupid but I don't get the math here ... there are 27 MEMBER STATES which means equal contributions are £5.05m so where does the £19m come from? Oh yeah ... doh!!!!
To paraphrase De Gaulle - "Non!" It may have escaped these Eurocrat's attention but the UK is circling the plughole in terms of finances right now. Sorry, not interested because these are hard times, and still wouldn't be even if times were better. If they feel that strongly about it, they can pay out of their own pockets - not mine!
well Dave, if this is your idea of a Big Society, you can stuff it. When will you get on message about the EU, the GBPublic do not want to be a part of it like this
Is that a german Hans-Gert Peottering who want s to "cultivate the memory of european history" ! !? What a farce when the germans refuse to accept or even teach about the horrors they inflicted upon euope in 2 world wars. Get us out NOW
As a proud European I'll just be glad to visit a museum rather than some snooty palace owned by an undemocratic Royal Family.
This place sounds like the political equivalent of the Creation museum, both places are run by people of dubious ethical standards and neither is ever going to become a priority on my to-do list.
One day this museum will be like that of Auschwitz, a lesson to us all in the folly of social engineering.
Great, more gravey trains for the huge fat cats in the EU to grow even fatter! Why is our prime minister allowing all these to go on? What ever happen to the promise that 'we are all in this togehter'. All we can see is that all fat cats whether they are in the banks or in senior managerial positions in public organisations such as the NHS, local authorities, universities are getting fatter without any apparent means for the country to control them. Can't we call in some foreign powers to sail a couple of gun boats up the River Thames or a few jets over London?
The EU accounts haven't been signed off for years and so we should not be surprised that there is no control over ANY budget...
If this was a museums giving the whole of European history it might be worth it. But to be honest the history of Europe since 1946 is hardly a blink. I assume that countries will not be deemed to exist until they joined up. that is going to skew things a lot. Re-writing of history is always a warning sign of a dictatorship, and that is something I think that should concern us all.
Yet another good reason to leave the EU. How much more of this c**p do they want to dump on us? Wake up Britain!
Is there no way of stopping these Bureaucrats spending our money on stupid projects? Who will go to the Museum and why £12million to run? Cameron should quite simply say NO,and reduce our payments by the cost of the project. UKIP is our only chance of a referendum the Tories have done their usual back pedalling.
Don't worry about it EU Dictators. You know the UK taxpayers will cough up the money as usual, all courtesy of those traitors from the three main political Parties in Westminster, who have already given away our Sovereignty and democracy and replaced it with you unelected idiots instead.
It will be worth every penny. We should be proud of our common European identity.
Cool, I love museums.
Another EU mess-up, when will our politicians realise that we must leave this vile money eating monster called the EU, we will not tolerate this for much longer, we want out NOW? Long live the revolution!
Is it time yet?
This is proof of how the arrogant EU does not give a damn over how they spend their money - Richard, London, 5/4/2011 10:00 Sorry Richard, one minor error! It is of course OUR money not theirs, although they seem to think anything of ours is theirs never-the-less...
Not started yet, answer then, don't start it, who would want to go and see anything that they put on display anyway, not many in the UK I bet.
By my reckoning £136.5m divided by 26 member states works out at £5.25m apiece, not £19m. oops, but then we ARE bailing out Greece, Ireland, Porugal (soon) and any number of other lame duck members of this farcical free trade organisation.
Honestly who will vist it?. Once again the EU are spending our MONEY, still I suppose it will keep them busy for a while. I still object to this, but then who am I a nobody with out a say in these matters. They never listen to the people they are just concerned with themselves and keeping up thier standard of living which most of us would envy.
'Europe is a collection of failed old world states whose only connection to Britain has usually involved conflict with us either defeating or Liberating them' Or in fact, if you actually knew your history, defeating Britain in conflicts. france won more wars against Britain that the other way round. And failed old world states? France and Germany seem to be doing better than us at the moment.
Once again I say "A Referendum NOW!!!". We are broke and cannot afford to look after our own be it pensioners, ex military, sick and genuinely disabled, why do we keep bunging money into this enormous black hole?
Just whose cousin is getting rich from this?
There is little point in having a museum unless it contains works of historical or aesthetic signficance (which, presumably, will not be the case here, given the nature of the EU museum and the very recent period of history it covers) . Without these things, the arguments and histories presented in a display can just as easily be presented in a book, which would actually earn money rather than costing it. It's a disgrace that we are funding this, when decent museums are being closed here, and works of art are under threat of being deaccessioned.
Just another reason why we should get out of Europe, no wonder the health service and schools are struggling to make ends meet when this stupid country wastes money hand over fist pampering to the wills of Brussels, has no one in government got the balls to just say NO!!!
what sort of exhibits will there be? Wine lakes? Butter mountains? Photos of corrupt EU officials sipping martini's at St Tropez?
'an awareness of European identity'. My mate sat opposite me right now is Scotish and I am English; Neither of us will ever be anything different. Get the hell out of this madhouse.
If the Duke of Wellington could have foreseen the British relationship with Brussels almost two hundred years after the battle of Waterloo I don't think he would have thought it worth defending against the Napoleonic army.
When the people of Erope finally get sick of these waste of money projects and we have a revolution they will all sit there wondering why.
Sounds like an EU propaganda white elephant - an expensive one at that.
Vote yes for AV and vote UKIP and get us out of the EU madhouse.
Did l want this? Did you want this?
Please let us have a referendum on the monstrous European experiment whilst some of us still clutch our ever diminishing sanity. EU = madhouse. Money for nothing and the perks are free. (Apologies to Dire Straits).
"MEPs' disagreements mean EU history begins in 1946" I think we can all agree that it should have dies . . . . . . in 1947!!!
As we look on in disbelief, Cameron will be signing the open cheque.
Chicken feed - sure. Just wait until they build it - if they do. See what the bill will have come to by then. Twice the latest figure as an underestimate, and all to the glorification of some EU presidential wannabees. Financial depression - not in the eyes of those EU bigwigs spending our money.
Apart from the disingenuous deception that is the EU, once known more aptly as the EC, European history since 1946 consists essentially of the breakdown of the USSR control over European states and the USSR itself of which the biggest by far was the re-unification of East and West Germany. Momentous as re-democratisation of these European countries was, it has all led to problems with agriculture, fisheries, legal systems, immigration and a huge corrupted fiscal system and un-audited accounts and now propped up economies. This museum cost is a drop in the bucket and simply what they're good at. I dare say that whatever they present in it will be as distorted as their treaty's and their administration. Vive La Liberte.
Historical disagreements on dates are nothing new. So why emphasise this as some kind of point? It's not a point, it's rubbish journalism.
GET US OUT OF EUROPE NOW! At least give us the referendum that has been promised by preceeding governments, (a political promise that has been broken by all of them). The only party that really seems to want to exit the EU is the UKIP they've got my vote!
Who on earth wants to have a museum of a disaster.
All the more reason to vote UKIP.
I really think we need something like this because in the very near future the whole European project is going to crash and burn and future generations will need to know where it all went so horribly wrong and this proposed self serving white elephant will show them just how easily misled and gullible the citizens of Europe were. These grandiose projects are doomed to failure, we are British not European. Europe does not have a seperate history but it will have a seperate future!!
Once again the british are showing the world how "STUPID" They are? Every week the british taxpayers are used to fund the EU. And year after year we stay in this very expensive club .The more that the EU abuse the british the more we give them .WAKE UP BRITAIN AND GET OUT.
No, No, No!
I honestly do not know why you are complaining about this. Museums are a valuable resource of information not just for this generation, but future generations. I am shocked that people would deny our children this valuable and important resourse and we should be thanking them for providing it. The fact it has gone over budget is merely an example of the high standards they are commited to. Why do half a job within budget when you can do it properly for a bit more?!
so they want 19 million for this which very few if any uk tax payers will go in to then you get that school birmingham that so badley needs re building ah whats going go
When do we strike ? Come on people how much more can we take?
Will someone tell "call-me-dave" to explain this,? how can he say our student's have to pay £9000. plus per year and the throw money at this nonesence WE WANT A REFERENDUM ON THE E.U.............IN or OUT
Well, I suppose we will have to have something for future generations to ponder on what a disasterous experiment it was.
I can't believe this amount of money and has been spent and not a brick laid. If this isn't criminal then I don't know what is.
We now tell the big spenders of everyone else's cash in Brussels that we don't want to contribute to this folly, & we won't be visiting it - even if it does get built.
Whenever I see those blue, starry flags they fill me with horror. They represent a modern version of the Nazi flag....the few controlling the many. Totally immoral, totally wrong, totally and utterly unnecessary for a happy world. Britain should see it for what it is and get us out. It would only take one brave nation to break away and others would follow. Then it could be consigned to history, where it belongs.
I do not think that the European Commission and all its illegal parasites will be around in 2014!
Great, our museums are struggling to survive and money is wasted on yet another EU White Elephant.
Hmm £19million for a museum promoting a faliure the day after Britain announces the first tranche of cuts to the Armed Forces who's predecessors enable a free Europe, but the museum(?) will start from year Zero(1946) which is what another dictator(Pol Pot) used when he ruined his country. History repeating itself? or another example of how Britain should get out of the EU as soon as possible
Another useless idea from the high temple of nonsense, waste, fraud, and sheer incompetence the EU thiefdom in Brussels. Why do we have to put up with this abuse of our money for something we can ill afford and will ultimately get nothing back from? The United Kingdom already has a history and we already know a great deal about the rest of European history. There's plenty of literature about it in the public domain. No suprise then that our chinless wonders MEPs and the other buffoons in Wesminster care not for us exept when there's something in it for them. UKIP, you must promote yourselves for more than you already do because this nation needs you now more than ever before!
I can't believe it, a project from the EU going over budget. I expect all those honest caring MEPs will forgo some of their expenses to make up the shortfall.
£136.5m is nothing in the context of the EU budget. We should be proud to be European and a museum is the perfect way to teach our children and grandchildren about the sacrifices made to create and build the EU. I for one cannot wait to visit it.
Why oh Why do we persist with these numb skulls ? What has this Country come too ? It's making the AV appear attractive if it means different people can get into the 'Mad House' called Parliament. However I fear we are stuck with the Idiots we've got. I can hear 'Dad's Army' " We're doomed, I say we're doomed!"
How long do we have to put up being ruled by this bunch of money wasting, mindless, MORONS/BUFFOONS
Reason to leave the EU No. 1005 !
.......... they say a picture paints a thousand words.... 3rd picture down.... says it all really doesn't it.
Chicken feed !
Come on Cameron - can you not see the wood for the trees and get us out of this dys-functional organization.
what history ? the french version? the german version?? get us out of that mad house now Cameron!!
Typical Eur-nonsense, and the fact that the history in it is wrong and edited to serve the EU's own propaganda just confirms this. Perhaps we can spend money on actually teaching our own children this country's wonderful varied and long history ? As opposed to the anti-British, pc, cultural Marxist version they currently get.
Idiots spending the money of equally idiotic people who sign up to this fiasco.
Ditch the EU - and Scotland.
this is the way these EU clowns will rewrite history and cancel out individual countrys history, disgusting we should not be included in this
So, this museum is to be built to promote - `an awareness of European identity`. I would ask. - Who in Britain and Europe is not aware of this corrupt organisation and would gladly like to see the back of it? Surely, Marta Andreasen of Ukip and her opinion of this forthcoming monstrosity, must have the feeling`s of most the British people behind her. More power to her elbow and less pushing and promoting of the EU by this coalition bunch. Tom. - Wishful thinker -.
If it hasn't been built yet don't bother , money saved simple.
The only answer to the EU excessive spending is to have a referendum. Dave and Nick will never allow this. Perhaps the answer is to act like the Arab states rebellion!
No wonder our political elitist dictators don't want to give us a referendum on our continued EU membership
So what is the betting that this museum will portray Britain's history (and especially England's) in a very poor light! Our history will be distorted to brand us as aggressors in Europe, against the poor Spanish, Dutch, French and Russians - not to mention our treatment of Scotland, Ireland and Wales, Also our crucial role in WW2 will be downplayed and made to be totally insignificant. The only countries in Europe that seem to appreciate our great efforts in securing their freedom are the Netherlands and Norway.
We are NOT Europeans, we are BRITISH ISLANDERS, Calling Brits European is like calling New Zealanders Australian, Madagascans african, Sri Lankans Indian or Japan Chinese. Europe is a collection of failed old world states whose only connection to Britain has usually involved conflict with us either defeating or Liberating them. In this very week when there is much debate about NHS reform I note that the WEEKLY cost of our membership of the EU is the same cost as building a new super hospital. We need to get out of the EU and save a fortune, they will still trade with us as we are one of their biggest customers, but we could then also re-establish links with the Commonwealth and once again acess affordable food and other products.
How can any museum celebrate European history without reference to the several thousand years before 1946?
It's worse than just a waste of money - this museum will be used to brainwash a generation of European schoolchildren; into believing that the EU is the best thing since sliced bread; and that it doesn't matter that the EU a completely undemocratic dictatorship.
REFERENDEM.........REFERENDEM ASAP!!
These Eurocrats are a bunch of twits who try to justify their non-jobs by thinking up useless schemes for everyone else to pay for. They can't even agree on when "Europe" began and seem to see Europe only as a modern concept centred around Brussels and Strasbourg, rather than as a Continent which has been fighting itself for countless millenia. I've never heard of anything so foolish. (April 1st was last week, wasn't it?)
This is yet another reason for us to get out of this madhouse. What I do not understand is all this money the EU gets. and no way will they have there books looked at. I think they should be made to, after all its not there money they are spending and if all the EU Countries demanded that the books be examined they would have to that do. Unless of course they are all on the fiddle. ;lol
So only european history after 1945 will be shown. All of the really significant euro history happened between 1914 and 1945. And another thing, will the track owners like Nurburgring be happy for Scalextric to install slots in their historical circuits, or have I missed something?
I bet they're only guessing what it will cost, or has cost. Have the EU accounts been processed yet ?
It amazes me how quickly we can have a referendum when the government thinks it can brainwash the British public again over the way we vote. I see no reason to change, but would seriously ask why we have not had a referendum on the occasions we have been sold down the river by the EU bureaucrats. We have come a very long way from a trade agreement to a dictatorial institution that is benefiting greedy businesses, fiddling Euro and Countries MPs, and holding up lame duck countries, that will take all they can get but offer nothing beneficial in return. We have been sold a lame duck policy, again and again, we demand our rights to have our say (for a change).
Also remember where the jobs will be created too. It certainly will not be Britain or British workers building it! Vote UKIP and we can get out of this One party Napoleonic Riech dictatorship. We are all becoming enslaved to the darkside without any say.
I do not want my hard earned money being wasted on this big failure, the EU project. When will policiticans get a backbone and stand up for the majority of ordinary citizens in this country and give us a say on whether we stay in the EU. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE EU, SO INSTEAD OF WASTING MONEY ON GIVING US A VOTE ON THE AV SYSTEM, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A VOTE ON OUR EU MEMBERSHIP. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. You only have to look at Greece to see what state that country is in to see ONE SIZE FITS ALL DOES NOT WORK. I used to love to holiday in the Greek Islands but not now the vile, evil EU has got it's claws in to. The Euro project is one big failure.
Its to be called the "George Orwell 1984 Museum".......history will be how we write it and not as it actually was - despicable - yet more money for Europe when we are barely managing to live off crumbs in the UK - Same as giving Libya guns, then going in and stopping them using them - its time for us to step back before we merge into the EU and become another faceless entity - why wont the Government appreciate that the citizens of the UK want to stay that way - we do not want to be known as Europeans - soon our history will be rewritten to suit MPs too.....
You couldn't make it up!! Unbelievable.
If one penny off british tax payers money is spent on this project, its nothing more than theft off tax payers money by are corrupt government. The £19,000,000 should be spent on something in the UK, not for the use off foriegners.
The EU - an organisation without a history, and, hopefully, without a future.
Plutocracy (Rule by the rich) has reached it's peak. Their arrogance, greed and vanity know no bounds. We're going down, in the age of Austerity, and they will be brought down too. By people power, who are becoming ever more enraged. We'll root them out in their tax havens or wherever they may be, there will be no hiding place. The sooner the better.
Disgraceful. When will these parasites stop thinking they are entitled to British tax payer money. We have absolutely no accountability, no respect and no judgement when it comes to handling tax payer money. And this is just the start of the cost rises, mark my words.
Not ONE cent to the idiots in Brussels. You want this monstrocity, then pay for it. And whilst you're at it, as you are so keen on people in the UK having human rights, we'll brind them over to do the building for you. You can feed, house and look after them.
We all have to demand a Referendum at every general election to get us out of the EU.
Another reason not to keep contributing to the EU. Are our MP's (Mindless Persons). so thick to be able to understand that the British tax-payer connot keep affording the EU.
We absolutely deserve all we get from the EU. What other country would be so idiotic as to keep people in power who support this?
Why do we have to keep sending money to these stupid people building stupid useless things? If they want to indulge themselves, let them pay for it themselves.
The first act of any controlling authoritiy, is to rewrite and edit it's History.
The sooner this rediculous idea is knocked on the head the better. The British Government has far more use for £19,000,000 than to have it wasted on this EU monstrosity. Can you imagine any EU member wanting anything detrimental to their country being shown? I cannot see there being a section of European war mongers, that would upset the Germans, the Italians and the French if Hitler, Mussolini or Bonapart's part in major wars was brought up. This will be nothing but a self congratulations to all EU members memorial, nothing more, and, given the way that all EU projects get out of control it will probably end up costing many time the original costing. Get rid of it now, before building starts.
Nice to know we can afford to spend all this money when Europe not only Britain is on the brink of bankruptcy. Have they done an audit of their books yet?
What a waste of money in these difficult times. It will be interesting to see exactly whose version of history will be "exibited". But should this project go ahead at all, costs are sure to at least double again, whilst our Britrish museums are suffering accute financial hardship. It is to these museums that our money should be going.
This is proof of how the arrogant EU does not give a damn over how they spend their money. To Germany: Please, please please stop having a war guilt attitude and pull out, then this corrupted and incompetent organization will collapse.
YEAH AND YOU DON'T THINK TWICE ABOUT PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE BRITISH CITIZENS WHO WISH TO RETURN HOME TO THE UK WITH THEIR MARRIED PARTNERS AFTER MANY YEARS..... WHO HAVE TO FIND £62,500.00 IN SAVINGS OR THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK HOME.....
JUST HAVE TO VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!
This is the Labour Party's legacy. All the main parties are committed to the status quo, only UKIP seem to be willing to make a change.
Why have these people been put through the ATOS system? this government put the elderly, terminally ill the disabled through one hell of a farcical process to asses their eligibility for benefits most had to go to appeal as the Health Care Professionals where given a financial inducement to fail a given number, yet these people trawl into the u.k....supplied with translators, benefits clearly explained, forms filled out for them, no:1 priority for housing.......... Where's the English people help in all this??? ask I.D.S. + Company. RED ARROW THIS DM YOU WONT/DONT LIKE PRINTING THE TRUTH.
This is why our country is on its knees.Vote U.K.I.P its the only way to get our country back.
Cheers Tone. Thanks for nothing.
NOTE.... The Australians do not cost much.... and it is now so hard for Australians to move to the UK....BUT former axis enemies can just waltz in and get every conceivable benefit there is. MMmmmmm who won the war? mmmm.
UKIP VOTE UKIP How worse can it BE? This story makes me spit blood
The bottom line is this,,,,, We are getting screwed and the people who are responsible for doing it are our own politicians. If you want to stop being shafted then vote for new politicians or it will continue as the present lot really don't care.
Our only hope is UKIP this is getting out of hand can't wait for the next election day Nigel your defo getting my vote.
Are you reading this Jamie Oliver?
I'm born and bred in England and have to prove i earn 18,600 to bring my Canadian wife here...so two non Brits have more rights than me it seems in my own country...all wrong
Does this mean that my £23 a week pension is all that I get after working all those years in England??? Maybe I should become a benefits tourist and see if it improves.
I am a Brit, born and bred. Worked all my life until 6 years ago, some 35 years paying all taxes and NI. Left the UK for some sunshine, but chose not to stay in Europe. End result? If I come home, which I may have to if the Middle East does not calm down (and I do not have a regular salary tax free), if I am forced to return to the UK, I can get no benefits at all! None, no job seekers, no housing benefit, no free health care, I cannot even see a GP without having to pay privately. I am a Brit, fully paid up and reports like this really get to me! It explains why every time I get a bit nearer pension age, they increase it.
When I moved to France, I had to produce bank statements and documentation to show that I was self supporting...why does the UK not do this????????
This hurts me!!! It cuts my vain!
Too easy for them - make them pay their own way or get out,
What on earth can we do to get these so called political idiots to LISTEN to us, The people are crying out to be heard, Nobody is listening, SO to get our voice heard, VOTE U.K.I P. I cannot see any other way, They are our only chance to change BRITAIN..
Go to Woodgreen it's full of them
Time to start the big reversal
More leeches to include on your Tax Returns under 'DEPENDENTS'!
Change the free movement rules if a citizen of another country claims benefits or healthcare from here or a different country that country can claim the money back from the country they are from. Would save billions.
Yes but the bring so much from their country to ours! Mainly it's their debt. We need to get out of the EU and start getting this country back to how it was before they were letting any poor member of the club in.
Nigel Farage is one of the few politicians that are right about Syria,benifits and the EU I reckon it will be only a matter of time before UKIP is the third largest party in the UK
GET THEM OUT!
Anyone not voting UKIP next chance?
WELL DONE LABOUR..
KEEP WORKING MILLIONS ON WELFARE DEPEND ON YOU
Keep up the good work Dave, your playing right into Nigels hands, he and his party are getting closer to governing our country with every decision you make.
In the end those of who work will be starving in order to feed those who live off us. Never, in the history of our nation, has such cruelty been perpetrated against the British people. God help us.
Soon you will turn into Canada where we are taxed to death!!!!! This is all to the people that move to a country that has good social benefits like being paid money for having children. These people move and just sit and live for free while the hard working class pays for their life long vacation. Not to mention their population grows, they try to change the societies rules and spread their religion!!! I hope your government is different than ours!
some of u are saying the Syrian chemical attack is propaganda, then I guess this story is too.
WOW - I have been in UK since 1960 and have never once claimed for anything not even for my kids. I even pay their Uni fees. I must be dumb or stupid. Not looking forward to retirement as I cant think of anything shameful then collecting that stupid degrading and humiliating pension - yes it is in view of what others get when they have contributed nothing to the country.
WOW - I have been in UK since 1960 and have never once claimed for anything not even for my kids. I even pay their Uni fees. I must be dumb or stupid. Not looking forward to retirement as I cant think of anything shameful then collecting that stupid degrading and humiliating pension - yes it is in view of what others get when they have contributed nothing to the country.
This has been going on for years now and nothing is done. Forget Syria and Ian and tackle the real problems that the normal englishman has to endure every day. We arer eally not as generous and soft as david would like us to be.
"I seen Spanish move here because they only receive 6 months benefits in Spain, where we will support them for life." - sorry to rubbish this comment but my friend has lived in Spain for 30 years and with regard to the benefits system there this isn't true. Firstly you are expected to pay into their system for 5 years. If you are made redundant, by law the company has to give you 2 years salary as a payoff. You then get unemployment benefit for up to 2 years if you have made 5 years contributions, after that you are on your own. No job and you don't eat, it's as simple as that. My friend was made redundant 3 years ago and used his redundancy money to start a language school when his dole ran out. He is English and cannot believe how easy the benefits system is over here, his partner's husband left her with a 14 month old baby and she told me there are virtually NO benefits for single mothers in Spain so she had no option but to go back to work.
It needs to be taken out of MPs salaries, not the rest of us poor peoples!!!
So the scrounger rhetoric and attacks on disabled benefits was done out of ignorance of true facts, wonderful. I hope the govt intend to apologise to those whose lives they have severely had an impact on with their propoganda. Nothing like the truth is there.
Forget UKIP. They are a load of wimps. Be PROUD of your beliefs and vote for that other ultra-right wing party.
Keep paying suckers, I had enough and emigrated years ago!
It will have doubled by the end of next year. The UK has become the world's dustbin. Time for action.
Sink the ship.
Is it any wonder,the country is in such a mess?It isn't just Benefits,the largess covers:Housing,education,NHS,GPs,Social Services etc,etc,and we have more to come in 2014.Happy New Year.
why not give them benefits equal to what they would revieve in their own country and recoup from that said country?
41% in 5 years..peanuts ! compared what it will be in the NEXT year.
only in this pathetic, useless cowardly nation can this abuse happen. No wonder everyone laughs at us. Cameron needs to concentrate on this rather than Syria
Does anyone know how these EU treaties work? Is it possible for unemployed British people to go to Germany or Denmark for example and get benefits there? They would be a lot higher there but have not heard of anyone doing it. Surely if we have to pay benefits to EU citizens here, UK citizens would be able to get benefits in EU countries.
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes. - Troy, London, 29/8/2013 9:27 I am sure you are a nice, charming, simple person, but your ignorant simplicity is beyond belief.
This is out of control, when will someone have the balls to do something about it.
AND TO THINK THAT DAVIE BOY WANTS TO SOLVE SYRIA'S PROBLEMS WHEN HE CANNOT SOLVE ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS OF THIS COUNTRY - ROLL ON UKIP
VOTE NIGEL, VOTE UKIP, TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Just why are we supporting these people, we must be the only country in the world you can arrive in and be given handouts. The welfare state was never meant to be abused in this way. Is there no one in government who has the backbone to stop it?
are we just going to sit back and take this ??
Is either the EU or the NHS being Privitised. I know that I want!
Come on Conservatives! You keep complaining about what Labour did to the country, but you've barely done anything to fix it.
Utter madness, it is because of such things that I vote UKIP, because they will put a stop to this madness, so come on people, vote UKIP..!!!
You have two choices in 2015: Vote UKIP or, get more of this. That is it.
Absolutely shocking that we have stooped so low as to be the dumping ground of the world. We have to bring down this government and get Nigel Farage to sort things out. No-one else will do it.
Why do we let them in if they can't support themselves? And why is our government such a pathetic soft touch?
Totally fed up with facts like this. Anyone else?
We all knew this didn't we......That's why we are backing UKIP.....
YEAH AND ALL BRITISH CITIZENS WHO WISH TO RETURN HOME TO THE UK WITH THEIR MARRIED PARTNERS AFTER MANY YEARS HAVE TO FIND £62,500.00 IN SAVINGS OR THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK HOME..... TREAT THEM THE SAME!
I'm an ex pat living in Canada who worked in the UK for many years. My pension that I paid into is frozen and will never increase as pensioners in the UK , USA , and EU countries get their increases. However it irks me to read just how many non UK nationals get millions in benefits and have never contributed to the system. I'm hurt and confused by such crazy double standards that doesn't allow ex pats in commonwealth countries the same benefits as those in other countries, or even those with no ties to the UK! I feel like a second class Brit! Homesick Vancouver Island
i am simply FEDUP. both my husband and i have worked full time for some 30-40 years, but when he was made redundant in his early 60s, other than 6 months of jobseekers allowance, we have not been able to get any help at all as we have been careful and paid for our house and i have my pension!? when will it be more fair, that those who have paid into the system should benefit not all and sundry who are just benefits tourists...
Perhaps Jamie Oliver could employ them all
I know of an Italian man ,who went to the UK 10 years ago, worked for a few months, and gave up working to travel around the country living with men he had met on the internet, and sometimes even going abroad to live with them for short periods .He isn't working, and in the past only has kept down jobs for very short periods of time. He gets unemployment pay, free healthcare and housing allowance, even though he lives with a "partner" who is a house owner. Would UK citizens get these payments if they decided they would like to live in Italy ??
MADNESS _ The only ones who have the answer to it are UKIP
I think we are being well and truly shafted, with the consent and endorsement of our own politicians.
stand by for tax increases and fuel tax to go up to pay for this and the syrian madness.
Everyone, come to Britain and get a FREE HOLIDAY! All you have to do, is turn up, and when you run out of money, they will give you accommodation, food and spending money. For as long as you want.
When will somebody put a stop to this madness? If Cameron put as much time and effort into dealing with this monumental problem as he does into gathering support for his attacks on Syria, then maybe the British public would be happier!
The British government is too spineless to stand up for this country in case anyone is offended. Why can't they remember that they were elected to fight for what's best for Britain, not for what's best for those who want to come here.
So much for cracking down on benefit seekers. The only thing that will save the UK is a revolution and mass hanging of politicos.
Well we're all to blame for this for just sitting back and sulking about it as it's easier than marching every day. British grit yeah right!!
the end is nigh
The USA is the land of the free the UK is the land of the freebee.
Oh but remember the rhetoric "they're good for the country" my question is Which Country???
Margaret Thatcher's infamous 1978 statement that Britain was ¿being swamped by alien cultures¿. 1978!!!! the warning signs were there almost 40 years ago!
We have to stop this migration. And we need real politicians who are prepared to do that and defy these ill-considered EU diktats.
As a pensioner [ war pensioner at that ] I could see it coming, and that prat wants to get us involved in Syria, give me strength. Please,please vote UKIP and so get us out of the EU and Convention of Human Rights, I've only got a few more years, but at least I feel I would die free as I was born free. gizzie vote UKIP
The British people have been sold down the river by third rate politicians . - Beth , Kent, 29/8/2013 Third rate? You rate them too highly.
Vote UKIP
RE.....This Nonsense has to stop, we cant keep letting all and sundry in of course these people will keep coming they dont care about us or the UK,just money...And still they will allow more in DO THEY WANT US TO RIOT?!!!! - paulsmith , sheffield, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 ...........Actually Paul they've ignored us for so long now I believe it's our only option. I class myself as a decent person but my forefathers fought and died for this country and their will be nothing left for my child so I feel rioting is our only way forward.
No-one should be able to claim benefits until they have contributed for a minimum of 1 year.
Utter and total madness. Where will it all end? When we are completely bankrupt.
Same happening anywhere else in western Europe, only option, close borders again, it can't happen quick enough. 2014 will be even worse...
No British passport = no benefit, simple as that
All courtesy of EU Dictatorship membership.
I dare not write my comment
Government has made it too easy to apply for benefits, no wonder the country is struggling. They need to get independent assessors involved. Even the job centre gives out advice telling them to go to the doctor with some pain to get a sick note. Its fully known, that people from the EU come and get the benefits and spend most of their time back in their own country but getting hand outs from here. There is no stamping of the passport for entry and leaving the country either, therefore it is not known whether they are actually in the country or not. Unfortunately this reflects badly on the people who are from the EU who genuinely want to work.
This Nonsense has to stop, we cant keep letting all and sundry in of course these people will keep coming they dont care about us or the UK,just money...And still they will allow more in DO THEY WANT US TO RIOT?!!!!
And the vast majority will have never contributed a penny....................
Marek, 12:47 = Correct.
one thing for sure DAVE will not tackle the problem U K I P will
EU workers are coming in truck loads every day and that guy in charge is busy preparing for a war, what a joke!
Reports like this drive me mad We have worked hard all our lives and now in retirement still pay taxes because we saved for our old age. Our children have always worked and are now struggling to educate their children at university and yet these people can come here and get and expect handouts. The British people have been sold down the river by third rate politicians .
Steve, 12:38 = Or like me its their day off, maybe you have no job after all look at the time you posted.
what is asia and middle east? show them under separate category as they are in no way related
We all know that it's wrong so why don't the government do something about it?
Sooo this we know but what is the government doing about it?? Never mind Syria this should take president!!
vote UKIP, split the Tory vote and let Labour back in? You got to be joking. Labour created this mess to start with
What is the saying about, "Shutting the stable door ?", the UK's should have been locked before the EU opened it.
VOTE UKIP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they come here; they breed adding work to the NHS; claim child benefits....then their children are British...clever isn't it...doesn't take a lot to work out the logic
400,000 doesnt sound a lot right? Check this out. Quick Calc per year - assuming each are jobless for one year. 400,000 people x £56 pw per person x 4.4 weeks in a month (average) = £1176 million a year job seekers + housing benefit of at least £400 (pp average) = 160 million tax credits £150 each child (say 2) £1440 million + lack of tax as they wont be working = £1000 (a conservative guess) = £400 million + Use of NHS, Doctors, Schools = 10-30k each = 12,000 million = £15,000 Million , or £15 billion wasted on nothing but unwanted unskilled workers? All for skilled labor, but we cant even train our own youth. I need to say no more. Simple as this - No contributing, no taking. Stay here for 5 years a minimum before even claiming the most basic of allowances. We are not the Homeless Hostel of Europe. We ned to protect ourselves against our own goverment, and the EU. I think i speak for everybody here!!
Tell us something we don't already know!!
Absolutely disgusting, get them out .................. vote UKIP
Not long before Brits are a minority
AND WE DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!
@ 400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published beca
It's easy..... UKIP. Fours letters!
Must be the only country in the world that welcomes anyone in without a job or savings and have more rights than a Brit .... I'm British and have to prove income of 18,600 to have my Canadian wife here
Here we go again; the same old story. You'd think a democratically elected government would, say on behalf of the citizens that vote and keep them in their jobs, ensure that nobody is allowed to settle here unless they are able to support themselves and would have to consequently sign a document understanding that no benefits are payable for 10 years. If a government is there on behalf of the taxpayers then what's the problem. My guess is they've got themselves tied up in human rights laws of which they did'nt have a clue about in the first place.I wonder, sometimes, what really is the point of voting.
Let Jamie Oliver take them on he seems to like employing them.
VOTE UKIP!!!
ONE ANSWER, UKIP
It's good that we are looking after people in need, I'm glad my taxes are being put to good use.- Alex, Mansfield, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:28.........People in need that can afford weapons are not starving. They just need to get their priorities right.
The figures does not include the child related benefits for non-resident children living in Eastern Europe. To speed up the payments the last Liebour government paid these benefits into Bank Accounts in Eastern Europe without verification because the checking system was returning blanks or taking far too long.
We need to wake up, we are in a decent into poverty we cant even imagine, look at japan 10.5 trillion in debt and that country could go under at any time taking everything with it, look at boston look at california, look on you tube, do your research.... This will not end well and our governments are just trying to hide the reality.. Vote with your feet avoid places that use a labour force you don''t approve of, I need a dentist but cant find an English one, I refuse to use anyone else.. I only support English workers.. If you don't like the banking system use it to pay the bills and take every other penny out, get a safe, make your mark before its to late although I believe it already is....
Whilst punishing our OWN.
Don't how they come here and claim , my wife is Canadian and we have to prove I work with income 18,600.... I must be doing something wrong
Who is this headline not 500.000 FORIGN scroungers shirkers and idle layabouts not the headline here?
Chuck them all out.
£1,000,000,000 / 400,000 = £2,500 and NOT £480,000! So BILLIONS is quite possible Dave HULL 400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper. - Lisa, Rochdale, 29/8/2013 10:56
Come the next general election most people will still vote for the party's responsible for this and doing nothing about it. How many of those having a moan are still going to vote lib/lab/con? you vote for these politicians so blame yourself , or do something about it and VOTE UKIP.
THis is where the Government should be making there cuts, Not punishing its own people to pay for people that have no right to take out money in benefits. Thats why they all flock here there thousands. Free ride and they dont even have to work who wouldnt do it.
Don't forget the big issue sellers who class themselves as self employed so they can get into the UK in the first place.
LUNACY
Dear left, Up yours for running this country into the ground, I live in hope the revolution is just around the corner.
I don't think people understand! This political system is in place to destroy the UK. I know its hard to believe or get your head round it, but just what has and is happening to our country. YOU HAVE TO LOOK TOWARDS GOVERNMENT OBVIOUSLY!
When the dust settles on the Syria issue, this story needs to be headline news. Labour need a good "bashing" on this issue and Cameron needs to explain what he has been doing for the last 3 years! I call on Godfrey Bloom to make a "colourful comment" to bring the issue to the public attention!
I am from Eastern Europe and I totally get why you British get angry. It's way too easy to get benefits in the UK. I met people who who came here just to apply for benefits and now live a great life back in their countries getting money from the UK. I really hope that the UK government sorts this out. It's not fair!!!
We need to stop paying benefits to new arrivals and make sure that they have paid into the system for 2 years before we start paying benefits.
Thats between £50-£70 being spent each week on these people. This could have so many of OUR people who are dying of thirst in hospitals. Hire a few extra staff, pay for more police men on our streets to make it safer.
So it turns out the "old" Westen Europe draws way more benefits from the UK than Easten Europe and there's never a word about them, oh I forgot, they are a better class of people.
Can anybody tell me, what other countries, anywhere in the world, pays out non-contributory benefits? I think that the answer id NONE!
What is so difficult about just turrning the clock back - and everything with it - to pre EU?
I just hope to NEVER again see the day that Labour are back in power being the catalyst for all this migration in the first place
LEAVE EU NOW!
I think if you are applying for benefits within a year of arriving you should be given a one way ticket home not benefits for the next x years.
I wish I could wind back the clock , not ever worked paid tax or had my own home .... if only I had known ...
haha as an ex pat living in euroland im having a great life.Get paid lots of euros,no loony health and safety to boss me about(funny how only in england these people exist)my bin is emptied every 2 weeks,can go out for a civilized drink ,meet up with some workmates who, like me were not born here.Nobody whingin about the eu.Most ex pats i know are terrified that if britain leaves the eu they will have to return to england and a life of benefits.ps.and the nhs cant hold a candle to the great health care i receive here. - hammy, Ayr, 29/8/2013 12:32 Interesting! Where do you live??
'How are they allowed to settle in this country with not job or means of support'. Ask your LIEBOR party, they are the ones who signed up to this, not to mention the EU Human Rights Bill. 'Teflon' Tony's Legacy. You have noticed he DOESN'T live in this country now HE, screwed it up.
the only power in politics the working class has is the vote, remember this when it comes next.
These anti-welfare comments were written during working hours, which means the people commenting haven't got a job, or have got a job but have such a poor work ethic they would rather waste time surfing the net.
Why not make the process of signing onerous on the recipient with randomly generated appointments (via SMS) that requires a recipient to attend an interview within 60 mins, 3 non-shows and no benefits. We have to get tough with the process it is not an endless pit of money!
UKIP
man up someone sort this mess out !!!! it will only get worse ..... help Nigel help !
i could rant on but gets me het up worked since 15 and still wating for my pension
in germany you would not grant the citizenship if you ever claimed . all other europeans coutries only pay benefit for 6 months so why britain is different than the other EU. its not their (claimants ) fault if British like to handout generously and its not illegal so what is the big fuss about
I quiet fancy 10 days in 'others and unknown'........must pop down to the jobless centre and see what they can cobble together !!
Well underestimated, like all Government figures.... we need the money to Bomb Syria back to the stoneage.... Oh they want to live in stoneage, sorry
Read Richard Littlejohn's advice to John Redwood when he was after the leadership all those years ago.That would win ANY election.
And more and more are arriving..Meanwhile hospitals and A and E units are closing, takes two weeks to get an appointment to see a GP(outrageous!!), waiting at A and E is in excess of 5 hours and soon they will be closing, hospital car parking is ridiculously expensive....etc etc...and war is on the horizon....politicians and leaders have a lot to answer for....and the electorate keep voting them in again and again....I will vote UKIP.. They can't be any worse.
haha as an ex pat living in euroland im having a great life.Get paid lots of euros,no loony health and safety to boss me about(funny how only in england these people exist)my bin is emptied every 2 weeks,can go out for a civilized drink ,meet up with some workmates who, like me were not born here.Nobody whingin about the eu.Most ex pats i know are terrified that if britain leaves the eu they will have to return to england and a life of benefits.ps.and the nhs cant hold a candle to the great health care i receive here.
@PMC Incapacity Benefit is indeed means-tested, but it has been abolished and replaced by ESA, which can be contributory or non-contributory.
This government and the last have made a right mess, ruined our way of life, its disgusting what they have done to us, that is why from now own I will always vote UKIP
I wonder of I went to live on another country, lets say Spain...... Would I be entitled to any benefits or housing?! Hmmmm I'm thinking probably not!
As I know, all the people claimed for any kinds of benefits need to check them legal identity and qualify for the benefit system accepted, otherwise it will decline automatically. I think it's not right to criticize anyone or government, because the benefit system set up must be approved and followed by law legally.
It is staggering how this situation has been allowed to develop. This should be headline news, not risking further loss of British lives in areas that don't and will never want us and our form of democracy. Remove from the UK anyone who has entered the UK in the last 50 years and not paid in or cannot prove they have benefited the country in some meaningful way.
I wish I had never worked or paid tax or NI that's a bloody fact!
think all eyes will be on you mr farage to sort out the stupidity of the other 3 parties that have failed there country.
Look on the bright side. If every single one of them is on benefits, they can't be taking any of our jobs.
if you get more sitting home why work ?
Put private investigators in charge of looking for anyone working in the offices of these government departments helping the many get benefits that shouldn't even be in the country.
Yet my disable wife with 3 major back operations, living on a cocktail of drugs, who hasn't slept a full night for twenty years because of the pains gets not a penny even though she has worked since leaving school 35 years ago. What a sh*/te country.
athaidream , Don Mueang-Bangkok, 29/8/2013 11:51.....You can not blame Labour (it is still happening under the Conservatives) As hondonroy , alicante, Spain, 29/8/2013 11:57 points out neither can you blame the EU as Spain is in the EU and will not pay benefit to anyone who has not contributed to the System !
well if your govt keeps giving it like candy, it will be taken...like candy! I feel sorry for you Brits!
NOBODY should be allowed to come in from another country and claim UK benefits/taxes, no debate end of story.
Incapacity benefit is only payable to people who have been in work and paid their NI contributions. Same for contribution-related JSA. If they've worked and paid their stamps, they are as entitled as anyone else and it's not a "handout". Half the story as usual from the DM.
How come NON EU citizens get benefits?..seems to be a come one, come all get your free money here.
The truth is our Country is near bankrupt ,we do not have the money for this,but the political establishment is so far out of touch with reality as to be a danger to every Man/Woman/Child in our Country,the Con/Lab/Lib are unfit for purpose,the only hope left is UKIP.!!!
Thanks again Tony, for destroying this country. Your legacy ' to change the social structure of the country' lives on......how can you sleep at night?
surprise surprise, no sign of this story on the BBC!
How and why were they allowed to settle in this country if they have no job or means of support?
we would not get anything in their country, one day this country may be ruled by British people FOR British people instead of making us live by other countries rules that accommodate what seems like everyone except us .... and don't get me started on the joke that is called British Law....
and the government seems quite happy for this ROBBERY to continue.this and the tax avoidance from companies is destroying the living standards of the british because of the tax burden that only they pay . its a national disgrace and only UKIP will do anything to stop it.
the truth is out they are scroungers
Yawn. It's a lovely day. A nice pub lunch is called for. Wonder if that good-looking, polite, hard-working, always cheerful "newcomer" barmaid will be working today.
Surprise surprise!! We all knew this was coming but the government was in denial.
time to scrap all welfare payments
Why weren't we consulted.....its...OUR..bloody money they are giving away.
Personaly I think if you come to this country in any shape form or way you shouldn't be entiled to claime for the first at least four years, If you come here either have enough money to support yourself saved OR have a garantour in this country like Australia do , I also don't just mean beneifits I think this should apply to medical, school etc..
Really!! Well knock me down with a feather
can't wait to get to Britain with my 26 kids
Absolutely disgusting.
It depends what benefits we are talking about here - eg housing benefit, tax credits for working people and so on. After all only 3% of the total benefit bill goes on the full time unemployed. Most people who claim some form of benefits are actually in work, but low paid. And besides, there are very strict criteria for benefit entitlement. So: this is needless scaremongering, effectively propaganda.
The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win. - Steve Smith, bath, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:53 ------- Wrong Steve, the Tory voters are too stupid to realise that they will split the UKIP vote and let Labour win.
More good (not!!) and possibly related news: "Net migration to the UK increased in the year ending December 2012, the Office for National Statistics says.Latest figures show net migration rose to 176,000 - up from 153,000 people in the year to September 2012". --BBC News Online.
Vote UKIP.mnot going to post a comment I because DM never print itf freedom of speech is now gone.
I live in Spain and I can tell you that you CANNOT CLAIM ANY MONEY from the state if you have not got a job or you are incapacitated unless you have PAID INTO THE SYSTEM and that's a FACT.So all you MP'S get off your LAZY BACKSIDES do your job properly, keep out of the commons bars and EARN your keep or believe me you will REAP what you SOW at the next election if the BRITISH PUBLIC have got any B**LS.
On pay day I may as well just open my window, take most of my pay, and throw it outside.
Aren't 99.99% of Brits on benefits?
This is not your money Cameron! Its us tax payers
I hope those who voted LibLabCon aren't complaining
UKIP PLEASE end this madness. Clearly Cons and Leibor cant.
UKIP! UKIP! UKIP! There is no other way!!
DM, why is this not headline news? This should be on the front page of EVERY paper, not in page 5 etc. Come on DM lets get this debate in parliament going, lets get the politicians talking about this, and explaining to the british people what they are gonna do about it?
This is something more important that's needing sorted out, rather than trying to start up yet another war! Priorities?
Would all Labour voters please put their hands up and identify themselves as being the people top blame for this farcical situation. NO benefits until you have lived in the UK and paid tax and NI for at least 5 years,NO exceptions.
IfCameron can find the zip to get his warmongering camouflage off - - there is work to be done little fella. Get on with it or resign.
How politicians can sleep i don't know. This utter madness ha got to stop.....UKIP UKIP UKIP!
stop housing and free nhs and stop benefits to these scroungers,i resent my taxes paying these people
When I sponsored my husband for his spouse visa 13 years ago he got a great big stamp in his passport which said "NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS" and my son is presently sponsoring his wife for a spouse visa and he has to prove that he can support her and has suitable housing for her so she will not need to claim benefits (which she does not want to do anyhow) How come all these people can even get benefits?? Seems one rule for one and one for another...
TIME WE GOT OUT OF THE EU DONT YA THINK? STUPID IDEA GOING INTO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. TONY BLAIR N HIS ILK HAVE A LOT TO ANSWER FOR THATS FOR SURE. THINK HE SHOULD PAY FOR ALL THESE ALIENS COMING INTO A COUNTRY THAT CAN ILL AFFORD BENEFITS FOR OUR OWN PENSIONERS ETC. TIME FOR A NEW GOVERNMENT AS WELL, VOTE UKIP, SEE HOW THEY GET ON, HOPEFULLY BETTER THAN CAMERHOLIDAYEVERYWEEKON.
I could never understand why countries were still lining up to join the EU when it seemed to be such a train wreck. Now it becomes crystal clear what the 'benefits' of membership are...........
And these people get exactly the most they can get because they have translators who know how the system works. A British person has to fill in the form their self so they get more then you as we have no one to help us who know how to work the system.
lib/lab/con not fit for purpose. time for change. vote DOPE Death Of Political Elite
stop all benefits for people who were not born here.
Makes me sick... Thats all
Nobody pay benfits just like that, you must prove you are resident. DM article is pure twaddle as usual.
I think we should give them even more money so they can buy houses/flats and then eventually find jobs, This is the only way the economy will grow.
Jamie Oliver has vacancies. Minimum wage and all the scraps you can eat. Non Britons preferred.
This I think you'll probably find is the real reason the welfare state is failing , time now for IDS to stop his one man crusade against the sick and disabled of the country and started addressing this problem instead.
so now the truth is out they come here to scrounge
Like that's a suprise?
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! - GrahamC, Dorset, 29/8/2013 6:14... When people stop voting for CON/LAB/LIB idiots.. Only then do we stand a chance of saving this once Great Country.
Years ago you had to have paid into the system for at least one year to qualify for any benefit . My brother was ill and tried to claim because he couldn't work, mum was told that he was her responsibility as he didn't have enough stamps, she only received £4.50 a week widows pension - the rates on the house were £5.00 per week. So, how come these people can claim anyway .
"400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper.- Lisa , Rochdale, 29/8/2013 10:56">>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.............Lisa.......... I take it maths wasn't your strong suit in School? 400,000 people each receiving say £10,000 a year would be £4 billion. to quote you:-" Shame on you!"
If you or your parents haven't paid IN then you should get nothing OUT. End of.
And here is me struggling to pay childcare for my son. Unbelievable!
And Mr Carney says that interests rates wont rise until unemployment is at a sensible level well with millions coming here each year the you can say goodbye to any reasonale interest rates as the new comers are all unemployed thats why they get benefits.
VOTE UKIP
Lisa , Rochdale ........do your maths again , a billion these days is one thousand million. Just put a paltry three zeros on 400,000 and see what you get .
Time we had decent government, someone who will listen to the people, enough is enough. Politicians like Boris would bring loads more if he could. Totally mad!
hi,uk being sucked dry of every penny and when the eu dictators see us all standing up to their enforced undemocratic policies they will use force and knock our blocks off,you think thats far fetched look up the last paragraph signed up by that arch traitor brown,its all in the lisbon treaty folks,and the tories are no different are they,they have permission to send in their own security bully boys to make us toe the line,why did we lose so many brave men and women and their families sacrifice of loved ones in the 1st/ 2nd world wars for their efforts to be counted for nothing now,my heart is heavy with sorrow now - george , cornwall, 29/8/2013 10:55 ------ Sadly true my friend.
LEECHES, they have Contributed NOTHING, yet they expect EVERYTHING. VOTE UKIP and End this Madness.
Outrageous and should be addressed urgently. What right do these people think they have to funding by our own taxpayers. A total disgrace.
No surprises there then! It's all SO predictable. Mass migration on the scale allowed by Labour was bound to lead to this because UK benefits are SO generous and easily available. UKIP is the only answer now.....
One word - "OUTRAGEOUS!"
SORT THIS PROBLEM OUT-NOT SYRIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
simple vote UKIP these traitors will never get my vote again!
So our pensioners who have worked and dutifully paid their taxes will be surviving on a pittance whilst people with no ties to the country will receive benefits greater than our pensioners. Our once great and fair country has been destroyed by self serving traitorous politicians who do not give one jot for the people.
Until 3 years ago I was under the impression, along with millions of other women, that I would be receiving my state pension at 60. I must now wait until I am 66 despite the fact that at 60 I shall have 41 years of NI contributions. For a full state pension, 35 years is required. Why then, must people in my situation have to carry on for another 6 years to qualify? At this rate the workers will never get their pension as it will have all gone to the increasing numbers of people coming in.
If I were an employer I would have to pay a heavy penalty if they found out that I employed people with no right to work here, but by the same token my corporation tax has increased in order to support these people. It looks like either way an employer is always at a disadvantage.
Shut the gates now!!! and anyone who's moved here in the last 3 years - even those who've had families need to go back to their own country. It's the only solution.
I trust IDS will get to the bottom of this but we must back him.
So now we know where all the benefits are going.They say the British are benefit scroungers, here is proof.
We should ask all of them to help us fight wars see how quick they leave mate !!
@ Lisa, Rochdale... each person will be being paid 2,500 (Not 480,000) a year for it to be 1 billion ... where did you go to school?
how about giving them the same benefits they would recieve from their own country, and 'claim' from the said country. When one complains, you can argue that they ae not being persecuted in this country!
I find it rather difficult to believe these figures reason being, to the best of my knowledge, you'll need to have an indefinite stay to claim whatever benefits. Otherwise, your visa clearly states 'No recourse to public funds'. So how do these ones get these said benefits they aren't entitled to? I was on maternity leave for 9 months and didn't collect a penny from the government. Simply because my visa says no recourse to public funds ! I have NEVER claimed a dime from whatever source either cos I know I'm not entitled to them. So where do all these come from? How do pple who aren't eligible get them? I think you lot should be asking the authority some real questions. Sorry for the long post.
People voted for Politicians, but please do the right choice again voting with your eyes open widely!
I thought they were all hard working, more so than people in the UK apparently (according to the DM and it's majority readership) and were prepared to do any job for peanuts that was being refused by the British? Don't believe the media people, we all know the truth, we can see it for ourselves because there are thousands of them hanging about in city centres all day long.
VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!
I understand people who live within the EU can claim benefits, but why are people from the rest of the world? I thought if you were outside the EU then you could not claim benefits? THAT is outrageous.
@ Lisa, Rochdale... each person will be being paid 2,500 a year for it to be 1 billion... where did you go to school?
This is the real problem, not civil servants who contribute getting a half decent pension after working for over 45 years.
SEND ALL OF THEM TO JAMIE OLIVER HE WILL GIVE THEM A JOB, PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!
Thanks Tony Blair.
I think the handful of people who actually go out to work in the UK should group together and leave the UK for 5 years. During this time the benefits will dry up completely as will the dole dossers main food sources, ie McDonalds and supermarket ready meals. We can then come back and start a fresh, building an enormous fence along the full length of our southern border to stop any more beggars coming in and trying to milk us dry.
Welcome to the U.K. the dustbin of Europe EU send all your crap here we love them.
Given their privileged upbringings, our govt members should take advice from us. They have no idea what to do and no experience of life on low wages, etc. I like your ideas Mark R. Whatever is done, it has to be seen to be fair across all inhabitants of the UK. I'd also go so far as to suggest removing a lot of cash benefits payments from people deemed able to work, but who choose not to. There should be a different name for JSA for people who've lost their jobs (which they were in for a specific amount of time - not days) and they could receive cash benefits for a specific time period, while they look for more work. But, others who've not contributed to UK and choose the benefits lifestyle, well they should be on a scheme that involves other methods of receiving support, e.g. JSS (Job Seeker's Support): help with accommodation, clothes and food parcels, etc. Ppl on high long term benefits, including WFTC often have the same or more than a lot of average (or close to) wage earners.
Awesome, just awesome... That's all!!
In America this is an industry, taxpayers, those that actually have real jobs and pay real taxes are so broke they can barely afford toliet paper. But not so for the illegals flocking here to strike it rich at the government teat. And these are the new democrat voters.
This is no surprise, as normal people have seen this going on for years, why do you think they still keep coming in to our country. And more will still be coming. We are the tax payer paying for these parasites, what do we do? nothing. And I am one of them. I am so annoyed as to what's happening to my country, I just wish we proper English people got together, and stop this madness happening.
My father is 64 and has worked all his life until a couple of years ago when he took early retirement due to severe arthritis, he lives off his private pension yet he had to go to a meeting recently to explain why he wasn't contributing to society, this is because his NI contributions are being paid for him even though he has worked more than his 30 yrs worth, unbelievable, they seem to go after the wrong people
Sort this lot out now and get tough they are not here for the weather !!! this country has become a joke the trouble is and I quote "I am not laughing "
The government could do something about it if they wanted to but they don't. Remember, Cameron is the self-proclaimed (or rather self-confessed) heir to BLiar, whose government's aim was to bring this country down. Nobody could be so inept or stupid as to do what they've been doing to the country over such a long period without it being their intention.
Really???? Who'd have thought it?????!!!!! ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!
Is that why British people won't get a state pension until they are over sixty seven if born after 1953. I have worked and studied and paid for for a degree whilst I worked and now I will be forced to toil until I am dropping, ditto everyone else. What do we do if we lose our job, sign on the dole at sixty five?
Not long before the whole pack of cards come tumbling down, any British taxpayer should be very concerned about this figure, this is unsustainable in the extreme.
And it will just go on Benefits to all who enter, this bunch of millionaires running the Country don't seem to care about our own people having to struggle making ends meet as long as they can set their own pay rises and claim expenses, about time they started looking after their own before throwing taxpayers money away. How much will they claim for having to return to the house to vote on war,you bet your life it will be in the thousands,and that is why they don't worry about giving benefits away to others,they have got their own money pot to dip into when they want,its a joke or should i say a disgrace they way the country is being run.
And the elderly people of this country who have worked all their lives are put on the Liverpool Death pathway . Something very wrong with this so called Christian country that is killing it own people off when they get to a certain age and need hospital treatment.
Make sure all forms are in English and no other languages. In France all paperwork has to be completed in French not the language of your choice! Why are we so daft?
- theenglishpatient , london, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 10:37 Couldnt have put it better myself!
Britains welfare system is unsustainable. Something has got to give at some point. Maybe this is part of the master plan. Allowing anybody who turns up on our door step access to our welfare system has no basis in logic Therefore, politicians must have some intelligence, I think its back to the pre 1940's for Britain.
What happened to all the comments between 6.20 and 10.26 ?
400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper.
hi,uk being sucked dry of every penny and when the eu dictators see us all standing up to their enforced undemocratic policies they will use force and knock our blocks off,you think thats far fetched look up the last paragraph signed up by that arch traitor brown,its all in the lisbon treaty folks,and the tories are no different are they,they have permission to send in their own security bully boys to make us toe the line,why did we lose so many brave men and women and their families sacrifice of loved ones in the 1st/ 2nd world wars for their efforts to be counted for nothing now,my heart is heavy with sorrow now
get rid then simple as that
I've worked for nearly 40yrs, and have been on the sick for 6 months and they have said I'm entitled to £1:52 a week because my partner earns £100 a week. Then they throw money at people who have never paid a penny into the system. I've paid in all my life and get nothing, , it's all wrong you should have to pay in before you take out.
Thanks to blair /brown we,re going to be paying the price for a long time.
Interesting people from outside the EU claiming benefits outnumber EU members by at least two to one, makes a mockery of those people claiming that it is the EU that is pushing the benefits bill through the roof.
Should not all the middles eastern men of fighting age be going back to fight for their countries.....or will they just leave it to us as usual?
And my Father of 96 and he was a rear gunner in the war, can't even get anything free. Why are we taking this?
Why on earth are people from these countries entitled to benefits from our Government?! British people who are born and bred here are demonised for having to resort to benefits when they fall on hard times, yet people from as far a field as Asia are entitled. This stinks.
I work my ass of for nothing the government takes if me to give to these lazy layabouts!! Joke
This is bad!!
We as a nation of incredible privilege have a duty of care to protect these people. Whatever happened to defending the underdog? Grow a pair Britain.
"The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win.- Steve Smith, bath, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:53"..............No. Most realise that but they are principled people who will vote for what they think best for the country come what may. Unlike the greedy, grasping and usually useless Labour voters who vote Labour as Labour have stuffed their mouths with money stolen from the pay packets of others.
You couldn't make it up, could you especially when we get b.u.g.g.e.r all abroad. What a country - what a mess
After watching the benefit program on tv the government should go back to the methods they used in 1949
Come on Tories. Make claiming benefits not pay. Less than minimum wage, no housing benefit, cap child benefit at 2.
Check all their paper work i expect it is all fake, they change their names and address daily, trust me.
How can the UK and the EU justify paying billions in benefits to foreigners who have never paid a penny into the UK system, yet stop state pension increases to those of us that choose to live abroad. Despite the fact I for one have paid in for the maximum national Insurance, we are not asking for anything we have not earned. All we want is what we are due and is legally ours. The UK should look after it's own people first, above all others.
Get us out of the EU. Then we can stop all this nonsense. - Sandy Brown , London, 29/8/2013 10:09 Asia and Africa are not part of the EU
I don't understand something. When I had to apply for benefits help after a bout of illness left me out of a job, I had to prove that I had paid 2yrs of National Insurance, and it wasn't for this year but from 2009 and 2010. I was told I hadn;t, which wasn't true because I'd paid 20years of it, and only after a very nice man at the NI office helped me I was awarded this benefit.. So how if I a British born citizen with 20yrs of National Insurance payments was given the run around, how can these migrants, whether legal or not, get benefits? Why is it one rule for them and another for us? These people should not be here unless they are working. No-one minds someone getting a bit of extra help when needed to anyone, but if the Government is making getting benefits so much easier for migrants is it no wonder we are becoming the cesspit of Europe. If a UK resident born and bred has to prove their ability to work and pay into the pot, why aren't they?
stop both invasions cam ,if you have the balls
Today the foreigners are scroungers and tomorrow they will be stealing our jobs. Which is it?
Meanwhile my son has failed to get his C grade at English, but I notice that all those from the minorities have. In the back if every college prospectus there are offers of financial assistance to those from overseas. Well this 40% taxpayer IS LEAVING!
Four years under the Tory-Liberal coalition, you will note.
How can they check these applications for fraud? Do they check whether these people have money in the bank or property back home? Do they have foolproof identity checks and a way to check that they don't claim at more than one office? This means the eventual inevitable end of the British welfare system but this must have been the politicians' plan from the outset as it was entirely predictable.
No job or prospects = no entry! Simples!!!!!
UKIP - There is NO alternative. UKIP is the only party capable and willing to make a start on restructuring the absurdity of British taxpayers funding the rest of the world's freeloaders - which is what they are.
Wake up Camoron, Calamity Clegg & Millipede. This is a national disgrace and highlights the true cost of surrendering our sovereignty and left unchecked will lead to an exodus of skilled English people seeking a better, safer life abroad. What will we be left with; the illiterate, indolent, indigent detritus from every corner of the world and an unemployable, feral underclass.
<3vote UKIP<3
Is anyone surprised by these figures? When I started work I was to receive my pension at 60 at the moment it will be at 67 but it will probably change again by the time I get close to 67. If we didn't pay out all these billions to these scroungers perhaps the people who pay into the system could get their pensions at a reasonable age.
At this rate we will be having the same problem as Syria here in the UK...............
If they haven't put anything in the pot they shouldn't be allowed to take anything out!! It's disgusting!!
The simple answer is that any entitlement to UK benefits should be earned by paying in Tax and NI (with separate regulations for our school leavers) and that entitlement would have to be maintained by still paying Tax and NI in a certain proportion of years onvce teh initial credit has been established. 5 years of contributing to even start receiving benefits beyond genuine emergency medical treatment and education for children. EU citizens would get the lower of what they received in their home country or here until they have established sufficient tax and NI credits - but over a shorter period. Benefits would include social housing/rent allowances and Child Allowance and Job Seekers benefit would only go to thsioe made redundant from a permanent job, not to anyone here on a short term contract. Simple changes - could be put through Parliament in a few weeks and implemented ina year or less gradually being extended to people who have been here for longer.
And in the mean time True Brits like pensioners are being killed off!
And how many of them are also getting Child benefits, pensions, housing and help with council tax. Not only do we hand it out by the bucket load, we also make it nice and easy by printing every form in about 58 different languages and supply interpreters. We really are THE most stupid collection of countries in the world.
UK has to STOP paying any welfare to foreigners. If they haven't got the money to live here then they shouldn't be allowed in or if they are here a one way ticket out. The way the government allow our money to be given away like this is criminal andsome one should be made to answer.
Qualifications for claiming benefits in Britain ----Never Ever Pay IN , if you work all your life or you are disabled expect to be penalised when you need help
These people will all require pensions eventually. The consequences will be devastating.
Don't you just love our Country.....these leeches do not want to be here...they do not like the indigenous population, the only thing they want is on the gravy train....with us hardworking mugs paying for their journey....but hey...we're so multi-cultural ain't we?.....I could weep in frustration and anger!!!!!!!
So are these the lazy people who want work or are they just our people?
We all know this, it has been going on for years. Those who have contributed to the system all their working lives are the ones paying for this and struggling themselves a a result. It is down to the One World Agenda do not believe what you are fed through the mainstream media and dig deeper.
Do you think if the wars stop. (lotting foreigners countries wealth), destroying foreigners infrastructure and own livelihoods then DM would really have no story headling "foreigners" would you DM? another dose of daily prejudice.
I am an african immigrant....it states clearly on my visa and all other african immigrants visas " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS".....how then are they collecting all these benefits??/...should you be looking at the incompetent lot handing out these benefits? because i am sick of paying £1000 on tax and NI a menoth...i could do with a tax free month per calendar month. Also DM...I will like to see an article on the extortionate fees that african immigrants have to pay £1800 to renew highly skilled migrant visas every 2-3 years.....of course that will be a true and fair view article so it won't be wort your while....propaganda sells so thats all we read lately. I do not believe the figure on bit!!!!!!
wouldnt surprise if it was much higher
Wait until January 2014 you have not seen any thing yet, thousands of Romanians will arrive, bombing Syria is more important, to our goverment.
We have no duty to look after free loaders. Benefits should be reserved for citizens. Germany manages to do it, why can't we? I seen Spanish move here because they only receive 6 months benefits in Spain, where we will support them for life. They never have worked here or paid taxes. But yet we provide the with a place to live, food, spending money and all they do is laugh at us.
I'm glad that we are looking after these honorable people. Good luck to them!
5.88 million benefit claimants in the uk, out of which 400,000 are foreigners,the rest are britons....do the maths people.
To BritishFirst in Brisbane -I think you will find it is NOT Thatcher's legacy that we are handing out the hard-working taxpayers money to people that have never paid into the system, it is good old Bliar's legacy and 'dream' of a multi cultural Britian. Its bad enough that my taxes are being spent on a generation of 'I deserve it even though I've done buggar all to earn it' who are bringing their feral offspring into the world. To then have to support thousands who have come into my country and are able to claim more in benefits than I do working 40 hours a week truly makes me despair. Britain cannot continue like this and my once great country is rapidly becoming an international laughing stock as well as a cesspit for all the dross other countries don't want.Cameron, before you & Obama start sticking your noses into where they are not wanted, try looking closer to home & start trying to sort out the mess your countries have become. Rant over!
Correction. Singapore has the third highest GDP per head.
In the next life I want to be a seagull I feed up with being dumped on by all these scroungers
@simon kirby What's the 'whole story' then? The only thing they've left out is the numbers claiming bnefits other than JSA, which must be enormous because wages are so low in Britain now.
Can't they all work for Jamie or all they too lazy?
To BritishFirst in Brisbane -I think you will find it is NOT Thatcher's legacy that we are handing out the hard-working taxpayers money to people that have never paid into the system, it is good old Bliar's legacy and 'dream' of a multi cultural Britian. Its bad enough that my taxes are being spent on a generation of 'I deserve it even though I've done buggar all to earn it' who are bringing their feral offspring into the world. To then have to support thousands who have come into my country and are able to claim more in benefits than I do working 40 hours a week truly makes me despair. Britain cannot continue like this and my once great country is rapidly becoming an international laughing stock as well as a cesspit for all the dross other countries don't want.Cameron, before you & Obama start sticking your noses into where they are not wanted, try looking closer to home & start trying to sort out the mess your countries have become.
Thanks for nothing Liebour.
Sick , sick, sick to the back teeth of working all the hours god sends so my taxes can pay for people who DON'T even originate from here this government is a shambles pure and simple !!!!!!!!
And what, may I ask, did they expect???? These people come here for low wages which we then, very generously, top up for them!!! They don't pay tax because they don't earn enough so how do they contribute anything to our country. You can't blame them, if we are stupid enough to give them all these benefits ..................
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 2:35............................ EVEN AMERICANS ARE ON BENEFITS LIST HERE.....why pick on only africa out of the whole lot....i guess we all know why!!!
PANIC ATTACK!
And we wonder why the country's going to the dogs?!
Benefits are for the unemployed and the disabled BRITISH population ie. the deserving poor. Not for people who choose not to work and definitely not for foreign people!! If they are going to give out benefits to foreign people, they should have to work in the UK and pay into the system for at least ten years. If they don't like it, they should go back home to wherever they came from!!
we are just setting them up for a great future
But our leaders said kicking out all the highly skilled American/Canadian/Australian workers with MA,MS, and JD degrees would stop all of this.
Arghhhhhhhhhhhh, this just makes me so mad, why are we funding them? They get free courses, free housing, free everything, yet none born here, most having paid taxes do. All wrong, Britain needs to stand up and be counted, all of us.
I have worked from the age of 15 then 7 years ago I got vaccination damage on the NHS which means I cannot now work, so what do the government do stop my benefits, I have paid into the system, they have not, something is very wrong with this country,
Every study shows that EU nationals in UK are far less likely to be claiming benefits than UK nationals and that their contribution to the Exchequer in the form of taxes and NI payments far exceeds what they take out. These figures themselves show that around three out of four non-UK nationals claiming out of work benefits are from outside the EU. At least 1.4m Brits live in other EU countries and have the same entitlements as EU citizens living here.Those entitlements do not in either case include turning up in another Member State and claiming out of work benefits without being genuinely resident, which in most cases means having worked and paid taxes in the relevant country. EU migrants who cannot demonstrate established residence - usually through a substantial working record or being a direct family member of someone with such a record - and cannot prove they can support themselves can under EU law be removed.
Day after day the proof arrives that the government, well any UK government actually, can't run any organization and especially ones that handle our tax and NI money, either handing it out in benefits or buying goods and services from the private sector for those organizations to use for our benefit, on the procurement front they don't seem to have understood what most people do that bulk buying is cheaper than each government department buying small amounts individually.
Well at-least we can spend all the money we saved in Syria & on the HS2 project...... who's doing the fiances Micky mouse..
This truly is atrocious. When is the government going to wake up to the indiscriminate leeching of our hard-earned income by immigrants. UK out of EU NOW !!!!
Screw Syria - sort out this mess first. Questions: 1 How much will our involvement in Syria cost in terms of number of hospitals funded for one year ? 2.What do we hope to get out of an involvement in it for the UK ? 3. How many people will get killed - both allies and Syrians? 4 Tony Blair - will you send YOUR son in to battle first ? 5. How long will it drag out for ? 6.Will anyone thank us for our involvement ?
As long as our feeble Government are going to give them free hand outs they will keep on coming through our ever open borders..There is nothing you or i can do about it so get used to it..And the politicians of this Country could not care less, as long as they live in luxury, and live in their mansions payed for by the taxpayers..
This country is a sewer.
It's absolutely STAGGERING how our politicians just can't grasp what the average person on the street can. This country is completely ruined...... I feel to angry and bitter that so many servicemen sacrifed their lives to protect our borders yet our politicians have freely allowed our country to be overrun and effectively thrown to the dogs. Absolutely disgusting and deeply offensive to their sacrifices
Brilliant, makes me feel proud to be English... :(
disgusting country.....................
I think this is all by design. You simply wouldn't allow this massive influx of immigrants into a country by mistake. The politicians know what is happening and I believe we are part of some kind of twisted social experiment to bring folk to their knees. It's apparently working.
go back to your own country.
In reply to - Steve UK taxpayer , hope not EU much longer, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 09:54 Another great thing about the UKIP voter is that they don't understand what their policies are or mean...UKIP is an ultra right conservative party that will try to stop healing the world's sick for free, stop benefits for all the unemployed and sick people, stop or reduce tax on jobs - the NI contributions and the UK will be a whole lot worse off. Yes stop the abuse but to suggest UKIP as a minority party is the solution to the problem is crass.
And what about second, third and forth wives claiming single parents benefits.
There's no question, the government has to put a stop to the continuing tide of immigration before it's too late, my biggest fear is that it's already too late. Next is an unknown number of Romanians and Bulgarians heading our way, after that, an influx of Syrians probably?
While the disabled are having benefits cut,people who are on benefits having to pay bed room tax,no help to get people back in to work(what did happen to the run on of benefits that we were meant to have when this party was wanting our vote) but lets give anyone who enters the country as much benefits as they want.
Kick the lot out.
In the meantime, the government are considering even more cuts on pensioners and disabled people , many of whom have paid Nat. Ins , tax etc all their working lives , yet we're giving foreigners ( and their extended families ) access to UK benefits without putting a penny into the ''pot'' !
"they did not include other benefits for which most Eastern Europeans, being low paid, would qualify".... Sir Andrew is right, most 'benefits' are paid to people in work (working tax credits and housing / child benefit). Until Britain exits the EU, corporate shareholders and private landlords will continue to pick the pockets of hard working tax payers. As long as Britain has low pay and rising immigration / house prices, the debt crisis cannot be resolved. Membership of the EU is a disaster for Britain.
What was that you were saying yesterday Jamie Oliver?
This is one of the main issues that is going to wipe out the Conservative party at the next election . They put their fingers in their ears and go la la la la if the subject of immigration is mentioned . Well I think the general public has had enough and UKIP is going to split the Tory vote apart . Then Labour will stroll into power by default with barely a policy to their name . Time for a complete re launch of the Conservative party , or is that already happening with UKIP ?
DM please post my important comments
Nothing new here, thats why they cross many countries to land on our shores. Just stop all benefits until they have paid into our system for a minimum of 5 years. Work permits should only be given to other EU migrants for two years at a time. Thats what Greece is doing with Russians, at least you have some control then.
Welcome to Benefits Britain. Free housing,health care and ash fr all immigrants,legal or otherwise. Come and fill our boots.thats the reality of this mad house we live in, governed by no hopers.
British benefits for British benefit scroungers!
This is an absolute disgrace especially when the pensioners have to live on a paltry pension and if you saved and have a private pension you are TAXED to the hilt! Instead of giving to immigrants you should be looking after the BRITISH people who have worked hard all of their lives and also the real disabled people who would love to work but can't or simply can't find work. If I knew then what I knew now I would not have worked and saved or bought a house. It is about time we had a GOVERNMENT that was there for the BRITISH HARD WORKING folk and not for other nations. People are fed up with it so they may have riots on the streets of BRITIAN soon.
UKIP to sort this once and for all!
two words........NIGEL FARAGE
I just don't get why more immigrants are going to be allowed to enter this country when the hospitals just can't cope anymore. Bloody Cameron and the stupid government. This won't be Britain much longer.
Leon, think back & read the history, I believe you will find your statement is false
that social enrichment i keep hearing about , i will retire at 70 because their is no money in the pot , the only people to blame are the people who run this country , they are the biggest threat of all to the British people ,
All you people complaining about this sound like really insensitive people. Don't you know how tough life is for people in places like Poland or Romania or France? I think it is good that we get to spread a bit of the enormous wealth this country has via the benefits system with these poor people!! We should extend it!
If any thing legal I don't really mind in fact no one can do any thing -simple
Get us out of the EU. Then we can stop all this nonsense.
And not one of them is breaking the law. As much as I think it is outrageous they are simply claiming what our system allows them to claim. Change the rules if we don't like it to stop them claiming. It's our benefits system that allows this to happen. It needs to change or it will crash from too many taking out and not nearly enough putting in.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 2:35...................Why is it only the African statistic you picked out of the whole lot?.....those green arrowing you have not stopped to use some common sense on your comments.....130,000 africans in the uk????.....there you go....alll blinded by the hate for africans as usual!!!!
Points based immigration system, problem solved.
Why the outrage? Thats exactly what the government advocated
Built by Blair maintained by Cameron. UKIP.
The amount claimed though would only keep a small number of career British benefit scroungers over their lifetimes..
No worries: that's the British way. We are teaching the rest of the world how to live (even if we have to bomb them into submission). But just try selling this to countries like Singapore (a former colony which now has the third highest GDP in the world).
This is stupid why complain when we opened our borders and asked for this. Its like a healthy person running after HIV.
just playing devils advocate here, this isn't a personal statement just a thought that has come to mind. Of the 400,000 claiming hand outs. Are they cancelled out by the foreign workers here that are paying tax. Ie for every pound the government gets from a foreign worker, are we paying out more or less than that to foreigner benefit claims? We might actually be profiting from foreigners being here. Before I get red arrowed and people jumping down my throat this is purely something that just occurred to me like a business deal. Giving away benefits to some and allowing people in, might work almost like a loss leader where we get far more back from the hundreds of thousands or even millions of professional foreign tax payers living in the UK. Anyone know the stats or are we just focussing on the ones taking?
Oh look, another biased twisted DM story about immigrants. Why don't you print all the facts DM? Oh, I see, that would not suit your agenda. Well, I'm glad we are all clear on that.
WE CAN ONLY CALL THIS TREASON.
No worries: that's the British way. We are teaching the rest of the world how to live (even if we have to bomb them into submission). But just try selling this to countries like Singapore (a former colony which now has the third highest GDP in the world).
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes. - Troy, London, 29/8/2013 9:27=================Are you on benefits? Raise taxes?!! There is hardly any money left after paying taxes as it is!!! What duty do we have to these people. We have absolutely none. THEY SHOULD NOT BE OUR PROBLEM.
You ain't seen nothing yet....wait until next year! The bubble is growing, and one day it'll burst, as the British people will only take so much.
If we didn't have to put up with enforced immigration, then the majority of us would be in work and there would be no burden on the welfare state, so why has this been allowed to happen?
Why is is up to us to pay their benefits? Surely like pensions the country of origin should pay them.
Nobody is listening to us!
Is anyone surprised?
'..More fool you! Realising 34-years ago I couldn't beat the system without breaking the law, I moved to the Canary Islands. Everything was wonderful until the peseta was swapped for the euro and the economy went into decline. After 22-years in Spain, I'm now in Thailand five years before Spain went belly up, well away from the EU bureaucrats, the nincompoops of the UK and US governments and with less corruption here than is alleged in Whitehall and Washington, Threadneedle Street or Wall Street. No foreigner or even a fellow Brit gets my money unless I approve it by giving it to them myself, which I do regularly. It's nice to be in control of one's hard-earned cash. A luxury few in the West ever experience or get to enjoy. Just imagine earning £1,000 and keeping £1,000, not £600 or less and then having a further 20% taken off you in VAT...And although I don't smoke but I drive, what you pay for cigarettes and petrol is criminal. The bandits in Parliament should be wearing a mask.'
this is all down to Blair and the rest of his labour cronies
IDS where are you ,lets hear it for the failed priminister in charge of benefits,blaming workshy brits,it was never us it was them.ADDRESS IMMIGRATION.
Just scrap most of the benefits and retain just the old age pension; yes, no more disability benefits, you just go into a home and be looked after.No more job seekers allowance;if you want cash do odd jobs like knocking on doors and ask for chores to do.This country is a laughing stock to countries without a welfare system.
Anothe EU cost to this country. The policy should be a carrot and stick approach to the millions of economically inactive Britons. I know many who have no self belief and no confidence. Many who are just malingerers. But the government is abdicating its responsibility by seeing unselective mass immigration as any kind of solution. We need inspired leadership and charisma. Anyone seen a politician recently with those qualities? One whose first move is to get us out if the EU straight jacket which will give us the freedom to do what suits our economy rather than Bulgaria's or Rumania's.
There's nothing wrong with migration, when people leave their homelands to work or study in a different country and perhaps live there permanently if they want to. Plenty of Brits go overseas to do the same. However, immigrants should NOT receive any benefits and they should try and integrate with the local culture as much as possible. I'm saying this as an immigrant myself, from Eastern Europe . My husband's British-born, we don't get any benefits (not even tax credits or child benefit) and our only child is being brought up culturally 100% British. I cringe when I read these stories because they make me feel ashamed of my background and I always feel self-conscious when people ask where I am from.
Que'lle surprise! Not.
Cameron ought to usefully spend his time getting his own country on a stable path rather than mess about with other countries far from home. This ridiculous and unaffordable nonsense must be stopped.
This article and the excellent comments have Struck Me Dumb!
Please can someone in this spineless Government have courage to sort out the immigration problem once and for all! We cannot afford to pay out benefits and income support to anyone who does not contribute anything to our economy. Our infrastructure is overloaded, and everything seems to be loaded in favour of immigrants. Sort this out, and there will be no need whatsoever to build over green fields which should be used for the production of food, not housing.
Why not, you can come here illegally or legally and be housed, fed and clothed with money for fags and booze and not have to lift a finger. We have allowed our governments do set this up.
Arrrrggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
So basically you have 400,000 squatters living in your basement and you're looking after their every need. Sorry, but you are idiots for electing leaders who allow this to happen. The mind boggles...
WELL DONE TONY AND THE LABOUR PARTY see what misery you have caused a social experiment that has FAILED big style
We need someone tough running this country now, someone like Maggie again, she wouldn't mess about, she wouldn't have let them all in, I want someone who will start kicking them out, am sick of having British people move aside for foreigners, sick of British people been brushed under the carpet by the politicians so that they can have cheap foreign labour. Well no more, I am never going to vote for the 3 main parties ever again and if it means voting for some one extreme to bring Britain back, then so be it
They are trying to stop our winter fuel allowance for people living abroad who have paid taxes all their working lives. An English language paper here in France has listed the countries at risk of losing this allowance, France is on the list - Italy is not. It is considered colder than France. The people who decided this have not been in France in winter. I know I will get red arrowed for this but as I am on the reduced pension I need it. The cost works out for me at less than £2.00 per week.
That is Britain today - we heal the world's sick for free and provide funds for all the world's unemployable people to live in luxurious idleness. But things will change when the main 3 parties are thrown out - UKIP will start the change next election.
Australia gets really really bad press on how it deals wth their asylum seekers! But everyone knows there not a soft touch but it Britain well were just way too polite to upset anyone,get a backbone and kick em out. !
The EU and Blair have destroyed this Country - and they haven't finished with it yet either.
satisfied Blair - colin , Selby, 29/8/2013 09:34 --> Much as I detest Blair, this increase has happened mostly on Dave's watch, aided and abetted by Clegg.
Goodbye Great Britain , This is the start of the end of our wonderful country.. GET US OUT OF THE EU!! Before there is nothing left. No places at the schools and the end the wonderful NHS.. Services stretched to the brink of breaking point!!
Dave youve been told time and time again by the vast majority of the British public but you havent been listening so i will tell you again -SHUT THE BLOODY DOORS !!!!!
The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win.
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid .. - toothpick4649, Adelaide, Australia, 29/8/2013 5:45 Click to rate Rating 42 .......Easy to explain, mate. We keep voting for the same gutless wonders every general election and expect them to stand by their promises - which never happens. All they do is bend over and lift their shirt tails every time the EU spouts a 'directive'. Having watched them fail our people time and time again, and watched our country descend into a multi cultural cess pit, ruled by our natural enemies in Europe, it beats me why people vote for any of the current crop of political disasters we currently have to tolerate. I wish I'd moved to Australia when I was a young man with a trade. It saddens me when I see what Britain has become - all caused by a few politically correct, treacherous rat bags in Parliament.
Who is the fool here? It's not the government and It's not the foreigners It's the taxpayers!!!!! Until you down tools and demand changes, nothing will change. Look at what happened when they put the price of fuel up, people protested and got the fuel price down. Now we just roll over and die, everything has gone up, the place is falling to bits and all we do is moan about it and expect a greedy corrupt organization to fix it. It's like when a child dies from drugs or guns or the internet trolls, Only then do those parents decide to act and they ask for change. You are all living in your own bubble and won't do anything until it effects YOU.
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On a per capita basis, foreigners pay more in tax than those born here. More DM xenophobia believed by the gullible and racist.
cant support yourself? cant come here then. Simple
Cameron wont deal with anything he cannot be bothered with our country he wants to fight for other countries. All these immigrants will most likely unemployed so thing before you blame all the unemployed for not looking for work, we also let foreigners take our jobs so some people who want jobs cannot get them. I still cannot believe people get working/child tax credits when you have a job, Ive never ever claimed for them in my life, but these all should be stopped.
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!-- When the cowardly, idiot electorate of Britain stops voting for them. Until then, they have no reason to act. Why should they? Sheep deserve to be fleeced. The choice could not be simpler. Either you vote nationalist, or you vote for more of this.
Britain is the welfare supermarket to the world and of course will attract so much dross as they observe our failed Border Agency which facilitates entry to the country. Cameron should for once in his premiership concentrate on getting just one aspect of his policy right and stop playing to minorities and whatever Samantha whispers in his ear.
I wish the DM will tell the whole story........
One word : traitors .
'Take a page out of Australia & New Zealand make it harder for them to get in and if they do have a stand down period of say 2 yrs.'- Dbarr347 , auckland, ...toDbarr in Auckland, that's the reason so many here are frustrated, we can't implement a 2 year stand-down period (or similar policy) because the UK's hands are tied by what the EU says, which is why we have this huge influx of people and subsequent massive payments to them.
Here we go, fan the flames of hatred DM. No statistic on the white underclass claiming?
They all come to the U.K,,,,,,,,,,,Would they be prepared to fight and protect this country if they were called up for duty?????They would fleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the U.K in a heart beat
I am a foreigner. I have paid for 8 years my taxes and my contributions to this society. Why shouldn't I get benefits when I need them? Do you think I give away part of my money for you, Britons, and not for me? Get a grip.
Sick! Glad I'm not contributing to this anymore.
What a mess!
This just cannot go on, there should be mass protests ( peaceful ones) in every town and city until the government gets the message that we are not happy about this. UKIP next time, it's the only way.
What a disgrace when our elderly have to pay extortionate amounts to be looked after in care homes. There couldn't be a stronger case for voting U.K.I.P.
Turf them out, I am quite sure that if I went to an EU country I would not get any benefits, housing or financial help so why can they come here and get it! It has got beyond a joke, they land in by themselves then within a short space of time there is a whole family of 10! I am sick and tired of my taxes being used to fund these people. Plus the majority of them are getting tied up in crime against the foolish people who work to keep them!
Why can other European countries refuse benefit pay outs to people who have not contributed to their coffers, yet we are falling over ourselves to give immigrants a free ride if they want it.
PLEASE have a look at the UKIP website for COMMON SENSE POLICY'S. Nigel Farage has the right idea! GET OUT OF THE EU! Get control of our borders laws and way of life! Run the UK for the BRITISH 1st! SHUT the doors for 5 years! Sort this appalling mess out then run immigration like the Aussies! Sounds good to me, if it sounds good to you then you must vote UKIP! They are the ONLY party that put the British FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those that do come here and find a job only work for a short period of time. Once they qualify for benefits they give up work and start claiming. Not all of them, but most of them. The EU only introduced the law about free movement of labour because they knew most of the undesirables would come to the UK or Germany. Members of all parties KNOW this is going on. The fact that they do nothing speaks volumes.
a benifit ? and enriching our country all at the same time WHY THEN IS EVERY THING FALLING APART ?
Cutbacks in the NHS, in schools, in care for the elderly, in the armed forces and so on is because Britain is giving free money to people who should not have it.
I thought as a condition of you being able to live here was that you were able to support yourself financially, at least I thought that's what the UK border agency says, why is this country such a doormat?
in the old days foreigners came to a country and worked their butt off and made the country better,now they are adding to its problems and im disgusted,maybe go back and fix your own country?
Can some one please explain how so many non EU immigrants can claim benefits? The system supposedly works on the basis that immigrants have to reside in the UK for five years, then only can they apply for permanent residence, after a further year apply for British citizenship. As the UKBA presently takes some ten months to process these applications (disgraceful but another example of incompetence) this extends the process to some seven years. So please be fair to those immigrants who do follow the rules, work hard, contribute by paying tax until they are granted citizenship and quite possibly never claim benefits! How many of these 'immigrants' are asylum seekers or among the backlog of thousands in the so called "Temporary and Permanent Migration Pool". DM this sort of article causes friction and whilst these figures are quite an eye opener, perhaps a little more research and clarification of just who these benefit claimants are would be a good idea.
I think the point that is not clear in this article at all, is how many of those who are claiming any kinds of benefits have actually worked and paid tax/NI in this country before claiming. I live and work in Germany. I have been in full employment here for many years. Were I ever to be made unemployed here I would be entitled to the same benefits as German citizens. I would honestly hope that no frothing-at-the-mouth newspaper would hate me for claiming the unemployment benefit I would be entitled to and encourage their readers to take a "send them all home" stance.
Stop the welfare for everyone!That might also force the lazy brits into finding jobs!
Why aren't the MP's and in particular the Welfare minister, reading these comments from the genuine public. Something needs to be done NOW.Cameron, pull your finger out NOW, and stop searching TripAdvisor for your next summer break.
Why doesnt DM print the real statistics? The truth is that majority of East European immigrants have jobs, pay their taxes and so when some of that number claim benefits- they have already put into the pull by the means of paying their own taxes here. Sometimes life turn disappointingly, you loose your job and so for a wee while you need the system¿s help, but we pay for it up front!
Daily Mail trying to cause havoc and panic again. - IhateDM, london, United Kingdom, 29/08/2013 08:24 Believe this idiot... It's far worse than DM are portraying, look on the government websites for the statistics and then double that at least. If you live with your head in the sand mate, you obviously read the independent and belong to those statistics, let the DM be read by hard working tax payers who care about this country!!!!
Similar things have been going on for years, how about registering for NI number and benifits at half a dozen or more dole offices and collecting from them all, and that was in the 70s, but ,"It would cost more to catch the offenders than than the fraud was costing". One would believe that in the past 40 years it has become much worse, never mind the gross edicts from the mighty (Useless) EUSSR.
Only the FOOLS running the Country COULDNT SEE THIS.
What does this country expect, when we have an open door policynand let everyone in. - Mick N.E., Ashington, 29/08/2013 04:56 Not 'everyone'. Only EU nationals. My non EU husband had to fight to stay in this country with me & our mentally disabled child. After thousands of pounds in visa fees to the home office and 3 years he was eventually allowed to live & work here (as long as we pay £500 every 2.5 years for 10 years to extend the visa) & No Recourse To Public Funds!! Not all immigrants come here to scrounge. He works to support us. Just a shame the UKBA can't issue the public funds rule to all the EU nationals just walking into the UK.
Why not change the name of OUR country from Great Britain to HANDOUT CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. Everyone is welcome
ROLL ON UKIP
Worked 40 plus years, made redundant, over 60, get nothing. So much for working........I don't think.
Oh the another big plus then for the politicians and media who keep telling us of the 'benefits' of mass immigration!!
Is it any wonder certain foreigners claim Britain as being "Treasure Island"!
thatchers legacy
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/08/2013 01:35 Where do you get the 130,000 Africans in the UK figure from? It HAS to be far more than that.
Do you have a figure for the cost? "Billions" is not an adequate number for a proper report. I assume you have no numbers and are making assumptions (yet again).
IMMIGRATION IMMIGRATION IMMIGRATION these are the WMD OUR sick are being told to work our unemployed are being told to find invisable jobs
satisfied Blair
Foreigners can't wait to get here and British people born here can't wait to leave. Can someone explain please?
Soft touch Britain. Everybody knows this. Even immigrants say this loudly through the media to confirm it. Yet we do nothing...
It is an open secret Labour did this deliberately. Years out of power, once back in fill the country with foreign benefits claimants. Encourage large families of domestic claimants. Engineer the population into a labour voting one....... It really is quite sick behaviour
Why, then, DM don`t you throw you considerable weight behind the ONLY party that will DO SOMETHING about this serious matter - UKIP, instead of, as you now do, which is to take every opportunity to ridicule the party and denigrate the character of it`s members ?
I'd just like to know why the people who pay taxes in this country aren't asked if its ok for their hard earned money to be spent like this? Why do we have to hand over nearly a third (or more) of our earnings with no say on what it's spent on? Because I'm sure this would be at the bottom of everyone's list.
We can't continue like this!
I worked and served in the Royal Marines serving my country of birth then at 65 retired to Belgium,my pension is £420 per month and i am not able to claim any supplements in Belgium (because i have not worked here).............Why is it that all other EU countries protect their own citizens and restrict immigrants but the UK just gives so much to those who have never paid a penny in NI or tax...........The millionaires who sit round the cabinet table have no idea what it is like to see your homeland destroyed because they are insulated from the pain of poverty.
Great Britain? sadly not for much longer
Then don't let them claim!! My husband ( a non EU national) can't claim a single penny, not that he wants to as he has a lot of pride to work & support us, but if you can issue a 'no recourse to public funds' to non EU nationals then do the same to EU nationals :-/ they haven't paid into the system, neither have their parents. But that's ok they can still claim child benefit for their kids back in their own country eh :-/
Oh these must be the hard workers Jamie Oliver was talking about!!!
1949 Benefits Britain!
There's a surprise! Benefits should be predicated on long term residency and tax contributions. We should not allow people to take out of the pot who have not first put something in.
It's good that we are looking after people in need, I'm glad my taxes are being put to good use.
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes.
This is where the money is going, paying benefits to those who haven't paid in. This is the TRUE reason why working people are being made to work longer before they can draw their EARNED pension. All this "We are all living longer" hogwash is just convenient government rhetoric used to hide the real truth...
Our benefit system should be for the people who paid into the system (excluding all who cant due to ill health). This system was never meant for anyone other than the people of this country. As a woman of 59 I have now to wait an additional 6 years before I get my state pension although I worked full time for over 40 years since I was 16. As I am no longer working I am living off my small company pension and my savings and hope they last out till then. We should have a similar attitude to Australia...if you cant look after yourself financially....you cant come in!
Why do we do it? You must have contributed 5 years before you are allowed anything
No surprise, even more taxpayers millions to be paid out next year 2014 to all and sundry who simply walk in and claim, a very costly crazy system ,meanwhile we all must suffer cuts makes no sense at all.
No, no, no! Cameron needs to grow a backbone and put a full stop to this. It's an insult to hardworking taxpayers, pensioners who have worked all their lives to live in poverty once they retire and those on the ever lengthening NHS waiting lists. The UK is seen as the mug of the world - come to us and we'll give you money for nothing. Even better, we'll give you money for members of your family who don't even live in the UK!
Daily Mail trying to cause havoc and panic again.
I hope the new "rules" being brought in before Jan 1st stop more of these immigrants and that finally we will get out of the EU, team up with the Commonwealth and put the shutters up on our border. If you have a proper job and are invited to UK fine, otherwise please stay home
This is an appalling use of tax payer money & those responsible should be locked up for life! No immigrant should have the right to welfare (including the NHS) in this country unless they have paid in to the system for 5 years. The benefits system should be cancelled immediately & relaunched with very strict criteria. Cameron needs to worry less about Syria & more about getting us out of the EU, before the next huge influx arrive cap in hand!
It's like trying to fill a bath with no plug. As soon as the nation's money is earned, it's handed over to Johnny Foreigner. Recovery?! Don't make me laugh! More like running to stand still! UKIP for me in 2015.
"Money! Get your free money! Grab it while its still here! Get your free money"
Oh my word...quick send them back that way 'our' people will get all the benefits that we've missed out on because of the foreigners taking it all.....what a load of rubbish....our ridiculous government is to blame.....what a shambles they're making of everything....cuts here and there saving a pittance....they need to have a really good think about how they're running us into the ground....the selfish idiots!!!!!
Successive governments seem to have been obsessed with the need to be seen to be helping others around the world and in the process have lost sight completely with what is happening in their own country. Politicians urge us to vote but why bother when politicians are not interested in protecting the interests of their own citizens.
Cameron reacts to a problem in Syria that the British people couldn't care less about, but immigrant problems he ignores. Listen to the British people you idiot.
Our only hope is UKIP.
The only reason the politicians dont deal with it is because they are too scared they will be branded racist....i cannot see any other reason.
The smug politicians do nothing, other than claim their inflated expenses and wait for their next salary rise!!!
Haha, who cares? It's just hilarious watching Middle England get mad.
Simple solution: If you're not born in this country, or have at least one parent born in this country, NO BENEFITS
Biggest number of individual claimants were from Asia and the Middle East ------------- JUST HOWis this possible? I begrudge my tax money going overseas!
It's a nuisance when people use a serious debate such as this, to peddle UKIP........there you go all you UKIPPERS ........your big chance for a red arrow-fest xx
Absolutely shocking. How much longer can this go on? There has to be a limit and I reckon this will be reached next year when the next wave of immigrants get here. I cannot beleive how this government is letting this happen. They are all talk and no action. British taxpayers have had enough of their money aquandered. I fear for this country, We are no longer Great Britain. Labour started this fiasco, and this government is simply continuing to let it happen.
My husband and I were in effect driven out of our beloved country by the intense anger of our taxes being given to financial imigrant from all over the world. We had to move abroad to keep our sanity and lose the anger.
Meanwhile honest UK taxpayers who suffer disasters are treated like criminals if they try to claim benefits, having to prove that they aren't lying at every step, sometimes in a very unpleasant manner which only makes them feel worse. How about a bit of balance, our own people first for benefits, hospital treatment, school places, council houses etc. The more we feather-bed, the more will come.
just WRONG!
UKIP ALL THE WAY
absolutely soul destroying
I don't have anything against foreigners- my parents were foreigners to this country in their time - but AAAARGH. They never claimed benefits, never, they were highly qualified people but worked in a warehouse, sewing on buttons at dry cleaners, anything rather than claim benefits, and they learned English. They made us learn English and they brought us up to work and pay taxes. What the hell is this?
Good lord - don't tell them to come to Canada - they'll get nothing. At least I don't think so. Been here most my life. If you don't have a job, you're screwed and destined to be uber poor. The UK has to rethink the whole system.
What do you expect when we elect idiots like Blair, Brown, Cameron and Clegg into office.
just scrap the benefits make them stand on their own two feet or at least make everyone re apply
There lies the problem with the declining quality of services in the UK compared to the rest of Europe.
Leave the EU and take the benefit system back to how it was in the 1940s, a safety net not a life style choice !
......and after I finish working all my life and retire, if I can afford it that is, will there be anything left in the pot for me? If we carry on at this rate there won't. I get more and more angry about this situation where people who have contributed nothing to this country take and fools like me who work pay them to do it.
Anyone surprised? I'm not. I saw this coming years ago. Big Issue sellers 'work' for 12 weeks then are entitled to full UK benefits. The same applies to agricultural workers - not much to pick from October to May. We are being taken for MUGS and quite honestly rightly so. But it's not only the benefit issue, how about the £53,000,000 given to the EU every day, the £12 Billion in foreign aid? The retirement age has been increased and your private pensions have been raided to help pay for this. Have you tried to get a Dr or Dentist appointment lately? Have you waited in A&E for hours to eventually be seen by a Dr who doesn't speak English? WE ARE PAYING FOR THIS IN QUALITY OF LIFE AS WELL AS IN FINANCIAL TERMS. We are being fleeced and royally shafted by political traitors who are supposed to protect and care for BRITISH citizens. If you want more of the same continue voting LibLabCon. If not, it has to be UKIP.
Another example of the UK Government ignoring the wishes of citizens, look around and it happens all the time. Here there is no welfare unless you have contributed, very simple, I am at a loss to understand why the British Government refuse to do the same.
What do people expect we are in the middle of the deepest recession since the war there are no jobs for people born here how do they expect foreigners to find work?
A lot of us already knew this but when we dared to say it, we were deemed a racist.
A friend worked in a London school for the blind. One family, white British, were turned down by Australia as their blind child "Would be a burden on Australia". Meanwhile, an asylum seeking family with 5 children at the school -all born without eyes due to a (1st cousin marriage) genetic fault - were being supported in their request to stay in the UK in spite of the children being a HUGE burden on the state!
LOOK LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT. The British taxpayer knows that all the bull about JOB OPPORTUNITIES is a Govt. fantasy. Across Africa and E. Europe the word is out that if you can get to the UK you can LIVE FOR FREE. The quicker the Govt. understands that the better. Meanwhile taxpayers have their services reduced to find the money all these scroungers cost.
Vote labour, and let them all come.
THE LABOUR PARTY'S LEGACY - si, london, 29/8/2013 12:14 Stop blaming Labour, this con lot have had plenty of time to make the the changes needed, they have the benefit of hindsight, made useless promises and a PM without a backbone. as bad if not worse than labour. Only one vote for me UKIP
Meanwhile, with the help of Atos, they continue to strip the benefits from genuinely sick, native born British, lets not forget that.
I'm not great at maths but if there are 406,000 foreigners claiming benefits and 5.88 million Britons doing the same, that means Britons account for over 93% of benefits spending in the UK. So I'm not entirely sure it's foreigners taking all the money. Interestingly, the split of 93% native Briton to 7% foreign is roughly in line with the actual demographics of the country as well, so it doesn't look as if foreigners disproportionately take up the welfare budget either. Perhaps we could get come clarity as to the amount of cash that goes to Britons and the amount which goes to foreigners? It's a bit disingenuous to whine that foreigners are costing our country 'billions' when they account for less than 7% of the actual bill.
if you dont like the situation, change it ,use your vote accordingly at the next available elections and vote for the only party who will put a stop to this insane situation,i am definately voting UKIP.
Can't they get a job with Jamie Oliver?
tories, great on rhetoric, abysmal on action. Nice shoes though, Mrs May.
Oh well
One could argue that EU because of legislation we are saddled with are justified but that leaves 340,000 non EU claimants. How does that work? It is very simple - Tough to get in and then you have to work for five years before receiving benefits. Put someone with backbone in charge of UK border control. No visa - no entry and those visa's have to be approved from this end not at the consulate or embassy at originating country. You have to have a work placement and if a student wants to study here they must put in the entire three years tuition and living funds into a special account. - Time to get tough - time to find someone tough enough to deliver.
we in the uk have been bounced into this marxist/commie system whether we like it or not,whether we we voted for it or not,whether we like having our democratic voice taken away in this or not,thanks to our ministers who now take their orders from the likes of marxist merkel and barroso and good ole rumpy pumpy,everything we have built up by way of savings and pensions is to be handed out and shared for all who are piling in leaving us with poverty levels seen in third world countries,yep thats the policy folks,good an,it
The government have got far more important things to deal with, like sticking their noses into the problems of other countries!
None of this makes any sense whatsoever! We are bleeding ourselves to death. All that our ancesters fought and died for is being thrown away. It is a betrayal of them.
How the HELL can this be happening? When I immigrated here in the late 90's I could not claim a thing, and wouldn't have in any case. I had a stamp in my passport that said "No recourse to public funds" - this was for 5 years. I have been here 16 years and still have never felt the need or desire to access/take/abuse public funds. Clearly our immigration doors are flapping wildly in the wind attracting all the WRONG people. So much about what's "good" for the country. So disappointing.
It's simple any person who has not paid National Insurance for 2 years although I would like 5 years or been a permanent resident for 5 years can't claim any benefits. Simples
There should be a qualifying period, perhaps 5 years of contributions, before qualifying and the sum paid should be equal to the payment a UK Citizen would receive in their Country. This Magic Roundabout has lost its wheels.
And this country is supposed to be so broke that we all have to suffer cuts. And yet we hand this much to immigrants who have paid nothing in. We consider military action which has nothing to do with us. Do you ever get the feeling that politicians, who are overseeing this ridiculous situation, are required to put their brains into cold storage when they take up their positions, to be retrieved when they leave office?
Consistently shambolic behaviour really, from MPs who are supposed to be intelligent and have the UK's best interests at heart. I admit, In an ideal world it's nice to be able to help others, however, when that includes people who have long criminal records or people who have no intention of working or people who are here simply to claim benefits and contribute nothing, or people who have no intention of adding anything of value to the local resident population...well you wouldn't invite that type of person to stay in your own home, so why would you foist that type of person many, many times over onto the UK which is, in effect, our shared collective home...oh and why would you then be so incompetent so as not to know how many people are here? I've got no axe to grind as my great great grandfather came here from Jamaica, however, he worked damn hard, made many friends and received nothing by way of support. The UK is being failed over and over by each government on this issue.
THIS should be today's headline, not some daft rubbish about Tango dancers in Argentina!
Every day a feel a little bit more ashamed of being British! !....we are Europes laughing joke!!!
they are stealing britains future, stop it now and get the hell out of europe now; this blair and browns legacy
This needs to be stopped now, if imigration carries on as is, this country will be bankrupt. Why oh why can we not have a leader who is sympathetic towards the people of this country instead of to the whole world.
And all the time LibLabCon keep encouraging the importation of immigrants, who we can't do without. They are telling the hard working taxpayer that its the British elderly, disabled and low paid who are causing the economic troubles. Next year many more Eastern EU people will turn up. All the time these benefits are going "home", rather than remaining in our country. Tis should be stopped, these people have never paid into our tax or NI system and should be allowed nothing out of it now. UKIP will stop it.
The whole system is a complete mess. I know of people who have fraudulently claimed benefits for years, and when reported, the authorities do absolutely nothing. Well actually they do something continue giving them benefits. AND they are still claiming when they are living in another country and have done for the last 8 months and are not british citizens. It's completely wrong! I'm all for people coming to this country to work but I think in order to get any benefits or be allowed to work (get NI registration) it should have to be under certain conditions, e.g. Pass an English examination, prove that they are actually living in the country, not be allowed to claim benefits or be entitled to housing until such a time they are able to illustrate that they can actively contribute to the state and not drain resources. My husband is from Eastern Europe, he is an engineer and I run my own business, we don't claim benefits never have! I'm sick of looking of my tax bill each year!
Forget the other parties, they only paper over the cracks, give UKIP a chance to sort this properly.
We need answers and the only way we will get them is mass peaceful protests.
Spread the word,.. UKIP to sort out this Damn mess !!
We should follow the 1949 system...
This Enrichment is bankrupting us!!
Educate yourselves people. EU immigrants damage your country than any outside immigrant will ever do. All these articles are to stir things up n create hatred for immigrants. Do not think Nigel will sort it either, when was the last time a politician told the truth. Educate yourselves people.
Do you get the impression we keep electing really stupid governments? It' UKIP for me now on.
Oh! I thought they were the ones working while the Brits are all lazy. The golden pot will be empty soon for everyone. No job, not a British citizen, go home!
So we have people who have paid into the system for years being denied benefits and services to pay for immigrants, asylum seekers AND their families! and to add insult to injury a proportion of these openly hate us and go to religious institutions that preach violence and death! What hope is there for our children if our own government does NOTHING!
This article confirms what the ordinary working man and woman have known for years. No one should now be allowed in unless they can prove that they have sufficient money so that they have no need for benefits or to be a drain on this company, this Los applies to health insurance. No money, no health insurance equals no admittance.
if you haven't got a National Insurance number or British passport, you cannot claim benefits......simple.
If this feeble Government keeps on giving them hand outs they will keep on coming..And this Country will be bankrupt, we will be joining Spain Greece ,etc...If the poor and the elderly and sick over worked tax payers native Brit think they got it bad now..YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ANY THING YET..
Looks like not even the DM can rant on about how its all labour fault any more.
Surprise, Surprise! Why doesn't this story leave me flabbergasted. This was seen coming 15 years AGO!.
Yet the government are blaming the pensioners for all the financial ills of the country, we are living too long, 24,000 are dying each year due to the cold so we will stop the WFA, the bus pass, and TV licence to the over 75's, meanwhile they continue to fund the dregs of the earth from other countries who turn up on our doorstep.. UKIP are the only party that will address this appalling situation.
Zebedee, what? And take money from the immigrants? That will never do, not when we have British disabled people who are in receipt of benefits. It makes much more sense to withdraw the disablement benefits than to close our borders. It's inhumane apparently to refuse entry to someone from a War torn country and not give them a roof over their head, food on their tables and pay for the upkeep of however many children they may have but there's nothing wrong with taking essential benefits if you're British, childless, worked for many years before claiming benefits and have an incurable and dangerous illness.
The figures show that 93% of work-related benefit claimants are Britons. This is in keeping with the population as a whole.
Right lets see==Foreign Aid about 12 BILLIONS / EU Contributions about 13 BILLIONS not counting backdoor bailouts for bankrupt countries / Foreign Benefit Claimants another unknown figure running into Billions / Billions more on funding our illegal wars against any Country our Politicians choose to attack, MEANWHILE our OAP's freeze to death in winter many more thousands die in hospitals thru lack of basic care, thousands more denied lifesaving drugs / 1 MILLION of our young people thrown on the scrapheap / our sovereign debts have topped 1.2 TRILLIONS and growing etc etc etc.
ARGHhHhhhhhhhhhhhhHhHhHh I have just finished a 14 hour night shift for the NHS and have done so 3/4 times a week for the last 10 years and my pay just covers bills etc I actually want to cry !!!! These people come here use the NHS and claim benefits....!! I am moving out of this sorry excuse of a country....!!! What a shame I hate my own country and the government that runs it
No, no, no ..... They only come here to bring missing skill sets that the British don't have .... They don't come here for our benefits system !
If you haven't paid in and are fit for work you should not pay out! This is national insurance, we workers pay our insurance. Foreign people should only be allowed in if they have money or work, and students have money to pay for their education. British people should only be on job seekers allowance if they are actively seeking work!
We're told that immigration is actually a positive for the UK since it adds to the economy. This article based on facts kind of scuppers this idea. We're already pretty well bankrupt so it's little wonder that the working population is having to work until they drop before they retire & services in this once great Country are crumbling. Mr Cameron we need a referendum on the EU now!
Your comments:By any definition, we have been sold out. Utterly tragic.
Surprise, surprise!
I dont undestand DM. Our government who i trust completely say immigrants bring so many positive things to the country? are you telling me im being lied to?
I have nothing but contempt for the British Government since Blair got into power and opened the door to the world and his wife and it's all been downhill from there. No wonder thousands flock to your shores; it's the land of milk and honey for some and the poor old British taxpayer is having to pay for it. I will always love my Country, but the politicians suck!
I can't read all of this. My head is swelling from the inside. I voted UKIP in local elections and I can't wait to vote UKIP in the next general election. Voting for anyone else will only lead to 'anyone else' changing their manifesto as always.
UKIP is the only hope for this most awfully run country. Lets give them a clean sweep in the EU elections.
Many people seem to believe that voting UKIP will solve the problem, but will Mr Farage and his party be able to achieve what they claim? I shall be voting UKIP but fear we are already in too deep. It may take a WAR OF INDEPENDENCE in the end. It may help if Cameron and Clegg take the first steps now, instead of prevaricating, and promising a possible vote at some time in the future. My local used to have a sign behind the bar which said : FREE BEER TOMORROW.
All part of the plan to destroy England from within. it has been said ¿Until now, nations were killed by conquest, that is by invasion. But here an important question arises: can a nation not die on its own soil, without resettlement or invasion, by allowing the flies of decomposition to corrupt to the very core those original and constituent principles which make it what it is?¿
MP's of any party except UKIP are terrified to cut back the Welfare system, believing it will cost them votes. How they dare put themselves before the good of the country is a form of fraud, as I see it. Refreshingly. Farage and his party think differently.
And still our Government lets more and more of them come into our Country.. It beggers belief !!!
That would include foreigners in work who because of very low wages (minimum wage, part-time, zero hour) are claiming IN WORK benefits to heat, eat and shelter. The blame should go onto rich Tory voting bosses who refuse to pay living wages (giving it all in perks and bonuses to themselves instead) forcing the poor who WORK to claim IN WORK BENEFITS.
How do non Europeans get to be allowed in without the means to support themselves?..
People should spend less time estimating the figures and more time doing something about it. England is ruined. No wonder all our best and brightest leave! We are the dumping ground of the earth and our politicians should stop spending all their time bickering at each other about broken promises to work towards their pay increases and more time doing something however controversial.
I am beginning to think the people running this country,both now and those idiots in the last Labour government,(how on earth did Gordon Brown ever become P.M.),dont have the slightest clue.This problem has been obvious to anyone with a brain for years and will get worse and worse but still no one has the backbone to do anything about it. I give up. Bye bye G.B.!!!
What sort of an idiot do you need to be not to realise this was always going to happen?
Like politicians they have put nothing in and have taken as much as they can out ,and yes including housing although politicians get to keep and profit from theirs
Nothing will happen, unless you are a british worker who pays your taxes. get made redundant and then try and get help. wont happen , immigration is good for the world for working people not idol layabouts who are economic migrants who leech. This government and previous are delusional in believing the UK is a prosperous country who can help the world but not its own. we are a 3rd world country in the making and military might wise we are a flea on the tail of the U.S tiger. The NHS is a great institution but is being abused and the UK being laughed at by the world.
EU.NO NO NO, get out now
hi these gvt policies of uncontrolled entry into the uk will result in living standards/care provision reduced for all in the uk,the jam is being spread so thin now great poverty will be seen in areas never seen before,theres just not the resources/taxes being generated to meet all the demands of this exploding population in the uk,are they listening in westminister,thought not,will they close the door now,nope!
Our Politicians are aware with what is happening to our Country. Things are progressing nicely exactly to plan. We are over-populated, we are jobless, we are extremely hard-up. This has been allowed to happen because it is what the politicians want. The taxpayers are not running this Country. They are paying all the bills but them in the cuckoo`s nest are running it - to hell in a handcart.
Couldn't Jamie Oliver employ them ?
This needs to he stopped our only hope is UKIP. - tony, mansfield, 29/08/2013 05:18 Sadly I fear it's too late now! I despair for our country. We're so governed by Brussels that its not a case of just walking away from Europe anymore. Wish it was!
Still Cameron ignores these figures and the wishes of the people! He'd much rather have a war !
Simple analogy; would we as Brits be able to claim a penny if we hit hard times in their countries? I think the answer is a resounding, "no." Why do we waste our money, which we pay in taxes, in this manner?
For several yearss it has been obvious that the EU was designed to lift the poorer people upto the same standard pf living as the so called RICH ie the likes of us. It is going to be very hard to leave as the many immigrants from the EU will be able to vote in any referendum that we hold aand they are not going to vote to leave it. `ted heath and the rest of the body politic have an awful lot to answer for.
Bank of England policy - unemployment high with lots of immigrants so use this statistic to rob the prudent blind with interest rates way below inflation. Come January the numbers will spiral out of control.
This government has been in power for three & a half years & the benefits to foreigners bill has increased 41% in five years, & its over five years since Blair was P M, surely this is the fault of the coalition this has happened after Blair left office & i know the Dreary Mail readers will say he is to blame for letting so many in but that is like blaming Churchill for E C H R fiasco because he took us into it in 1946 just trying to be truthful & sensible you know blame where it is due.PS i don't like Blair or his awful wife.
You can go to any town or city up & down the UK to find in full of people of working age doing absolutely nothing. I accept that times have changed, but when I was a lad there would be hardly a male figure on the streets during working hours other, than tradesmen.
This is great news
We imported all this lot without any basic standards as regards education and job skills! What a set of "Numpties" in Parliament.
and here's me listening to the politicians and the BBC saying they come here to work. so the proportion of immigrants claiming dole against Brits is quite high. No wonder the country is broke.
What the hell did you expect with a Benefit and Immigration System designed by a collander maker.
Yet having worked all my life, if I lost my job today I would get nothing because my wife works full time.
And the government wonder why the number of jobless people is increasing. If they hadn't been allowed to claim benefits we would save £billions a year and the bedroom tax wouldn't be needed.
You want to stop this? THEN VOTE UKIP, OTHERWISE, ACCEPT WHAT YOU HAVE GOT.IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
Not surprised about this at all! It is due to Britain accommodating the rest of the world that the country is in so much debt. Until the government grow some balls and implement new rules regarding new and existing immigrants then the country will just become worse. We need to take note from Australia: No immigrant to claim any benefit for first 5 years living here, must have atleast £20,000 in the bank, must have a job and accommodation organised before arrival, must be able to speak flaunt English and must have qualifications with no criminal record
Disgraceful absolutely disgraceful!! They have just taken my fathers disability benefit from him as they deem him fit to work after having list a leg and having chronic arthritis and pericarditis (heart failure). Good job Britain hope your proud!! Feeling very patriotic NOT!!
U K I P
And THIS is one of the many reasons I'm leaving this country for good! So so sad to see what this country has become...
And again I say they've knocked a few quid off my Dear Lady's pension .....
VOTE UKIP...................you know it makes sense.
while my disabled son has to pay for his council services,same as the elderly do too....yet you can come here and get it for nothing.
ukip
disgraceful!! I'm so glad I work hard and pay my taxes to support those that should be supporting themselves. People, foreign or not seem to want everything given to them. I'm 27 been working since I was 16 use to have three jobs now fortunate to have found one that pays the same but still I worked hard to get here!!! Where is the work ethic... ?? I'm also fortunate to have never used the system either.
Disgusting.Make the benefits less and pay workers more!!
This is a distraction!!! Daily mail wants to throw everyones attention off the syria thing.
We are mugs.
And I wonder who is to blame for that? Both the nasty party and labour, it's a pity the politicians don't go to Syria and do the fighting alone.
leave Europe and kick out the benefit claimants, or stop new arrivals from claiming
Because, Andrew,Aylesbury - our so-called 'governments' simply do what the EU tells them to do. And hand over our taxpayers money for the privilege. Yes, UKIP is the only way to save us.
Its getting tougher and tougher to genuinely be proud you have done a days work and are contributing back to society.
Please lets give ukip a chance everyone. Surely they can't do worse than the treacherous three.
The TV programme Benefits Britain 1949 shows how the welfare system was meant to be run. The rules were still in place when I left school in the 1970s - I was not 'entitled' to claim anything because I hadn't paid anything into the system. Now I've worked for 30+ years, when I was made redundant, because I had savings, all that I was 'entitled' to was contribution based JSA for 6 months. That's it? £70 per week limited to 6 months, after all those years of contributing? It makes me sick that my taxes go to pay for others who have not contributed anything to the pot. I will be voting UKIP as they are the only party I have faith will sort this mess out.
Blar, blar, blar, blar, blar-didde-blar, blar,blar,blar.........lol.
I cant wait to get my degree and leave this country. I' am british born and bred and I hate what this country has turned into
UK residents loose out, Eastern block cash in!!. I can see it, why can't the politicians. Lol!.
It seems that our government can start a war in under 48hours including a full recall of parliament but.....a referendum on supporting/funding the EU and all it's citizens will take years to organise....why is this?
Seems that everyone is increasing their reliance on state handouts.. How has the number of uk residents increased over the last five years. These statistics show nothing.
Surely it is now time to say,nothing is given unless you have paid in for 5 years.This will finally cripple the UK. If this was put into the pension pot there would be less problem with that.No wonder British people get angry with politicians when they do not do anything about this issue. And yes ,no wonder ukip are getting strong.
The guys who died in WWI and WWII died for nothing - this country is a disgrace
More to come from Libya, Egypt and Syria. Thanks to our useless politicians.
Are not the recipients cross referenced through the various agencies that employ them (carrying out CRB checks etc.), and any benefits re-charged to the Country of their origin, as with Health Care and appropriate Medical insurance? - wickidpedear , York, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 06:02.........................Er ! My guess the answer to your question would be a big fat NO.
How stupid are the British government, do we have to be on our knees before they stop giving our money away
This is why there is a housing shortage. This is why the NHS is under pressure. This is why the employment figures are high. This is why we need to build more schools. This is why we need to get out of Europe. This is why etc etc.
In times of economic downturn, immigrants are always the hardest hit so I don't see anything strange in these figures. That equal opportunities form filled for every job application has in many instances worked against immigrants.
Yet again....so much money, and so easy to get without having to pay into the system.....time for a change methinks
Don't be under the impression any of the government care. They are only in it for themselves. And why not.
UKIP !
Look at the third world, no work, no pay, no food, very little debt, Western world, no work, benefit, food, and plenty of Debt???, who is right/ who is wrong?
No - you don't say! And how many people did it take to work this out? Ask any British born tax payer and they could have told you this years ago.
And all that mob who keep calling us lazy Brits and all the other people are all working away 24/7 bit of a wake up call
I bet this is a fraction of the true figures. Makes me want to jump off a cliff...
WHY ???????? WHY ???????? WHY
Remember what Liebor told us its called diversification!
This is a disgrace. I'm voting UKIP. No mud slung at them by the national press will change my mind. Nothing else matters to me other than putting a stop to this madness.
Vote UKIP to end this madness!!
My Friends...READ THIS Article carefully !!!! THIS is sooo wrong...I am all for helping folk....but this exploitation is not right at all..............and they want to launch bombs on Syria !!!! I REALLY despair at MY GOVERNMENT....c'mon wake up Dave and sort this !!!!
I thought they were all working hard for Jamie Oliver
The four years 2008-2012 roughly coincide with the recession so it is to be expected that benefits would rise. Figures for UK citizens should also be shown for comparison.
Another 400,000 votes for UKIP. If they have no right to live in the UK, get their Embassies to pay for a one way ticket home.
You can imagine how really ecstatic I was to read this as when I was made redundant 5 years ago I was not even allowed to claim JSA as, according to the jobcentre, as I was a carer I could not committ to 16 hours a week even though I had actually worked part-time for the prevous 27 years. That left me with an income of £53.00 a week from Carers Allowance - (claiming JSA would have meant another £10.00 a week). Why are people who have lived and worked here all of their lives unable to claim yet people coming from another country can and not just £10.00 a week either but hundreds of pounds?
This little island cannot afford to feed and clothe the world I'm afraid.
Cameron sort this appalling abuse out, never mind Syria or elsewhere in the middle east it is none of our business, get a grip on the home problems that are!
Refuse to pay your taxes! They can't jail us all can they?!?
How come immigrants can claim benefits when i can't claim a full state pension because i took time off work to raise my children.
This is why we have to work till 67 to get a pension!!!! People who have worked all their lives and contributed to the Uks taxes always miss out.
only UKIP have the balls to sort this mess out
This is true, I live in Spain 6months a year, and the system works like this, you can claim benefits for 3 months, then the benefit stops, you then have to work for 10 days and you get another 3 months.The lady next door to us is sweeping the streets , no pay but then gets her benefit back.Now wouldnt that be a good idea for our country.Just to see some of the idle layabouts do something for once.Before anyone jumps up and down I worked for 44 years paying tax , which gives me the right to say this, This system in Spain works no work no benefits, easy.
well fancy that;;;who would have believed it. and all them safeguards in place to stop it. 2 more countries to add to that number soon.
Tax payers revolt and vote UKIP.
400k foreign claimants is nothing compared to the 5.88 MILLION Brits claiming. I bet the majority of the Brits claiming have not worked a day in their life
I work with a Czech guy who claims for five children, all back home. If it is his right , so be it. But when your own people are having benefits reduced and the sick being asked to work. With more people at food banks and pensioners being asked to leave homes that they have lived in all their adult lives, to accommodate families often from overseas, I ask you? Is this fair?
Sorry to say, but U.K.I.P. seems the only option every time I read this Paper.
Successive governments have told us that immigrants do not qualify for automatic benefits. Have they been lying to us? I am shocked! Only one way to prevent the "melt down" of Britain, vote UKIP!
Disgraceful
This makes me so mad!!!!!
My mate has been living in Latvia and Lithuania for nearly ten years now reasons best known to himself, is currently out of work and homeless, and has so far not been able to collect a Euro in social benefits. What with the farce of the European Union; what with Cameron and Hague looking for their 'Falklands' moment, an ever widening gap is opening up between government and the governed. They've cut our armed forces to the bone, and then they want a war? Fiendish logic if you ask me. Nobody could be that stupid without a hidden agenda.
I would like to hear the justifications of those in charge, our so called leaders, for the decisions that they have made over the years that have changed our country so dramatically in such a short space of time. I would also like to know what they intend to to reverse the situation or at least stop it deteriorating further. ALL of the parties involved should hang their heads in shame. I'm all for helping those in need but we cannot solve the problems of the world nor give endless shelter to the less well off from abroad. Our system is rapidly reaching breaking point and our daily lives are becoming more stressfull. Hospitals are full, there are no jobs, the roads are full and there are no houses. Why are the doors still open?
So will they still keep telling us that immigration is good for the economy as if we didn't already know the truth. Please god, when will someone grow a spine and get a grip on this? Depressingly, I'm not holding my breath.
Why is the government giving out handouts to people without british citizenship?
Message to the world come to our country, free education, health, housing and even free money for not working! We must be the laughing stock of the world, pathetic.
This is a surprise !!!! Only to the politicians who do not have the backbone to stop it. They need to act fast before the beleaguered taxpayer takes to the streets. There is only so much we can take. I agree forget about Syria, get a grip on immigration. It has to be the number one top priority, we have had enough.
Don't forget the child benefit paid to those who are working and whose families still live in their home country. Benefits all round - except for the tax-paying Brits. Kerching! Forget being the world's policeman, we're the world's social services.
David Cameron,me thinks should be dealing with the great problems he has here in the UK,including those outlined in this article,rather than meddling in Syria.
Spanish & US benifit rules please don't pay in you can't get out and your not a resident / citizen you don't get given! simples.. Oh and if they must pay them then 1949 rules!!
It simple there should be no pay-outs till they have paid into the system for at least 2 years like Australia and even then the Money they receive should equate to the money they put in. We need to change this country's something for nothing culture to You Only Get Out What You Put In
This is bad enough but what the public deserve to know is exactly how many immigrants who were given British passports during the Blair/Brown years are claiming benefits? And how much does it cost? Hard working, skilled British families are leaving the country in droves and being replaced by unskilled welfare claimants.
How many more foreigners are also paying taxes now though?
The only sensible solution would be a European Union benefit paid to everybody who is a member of the EU, but not a national of that country. Lets say a Hungarian claims benefits in the UK but is disqualified because he has not worked here for a period of 5 years continuous full time work, he then has to apply to the EU benefits office which grants him a pre agreed sum of money while he is actively looking to steal a British persons job. Let the EU be held responsible not the poor British Tax payer who to be frank have enough of their own unemployed to deal with.
Now please tell us how many NON foreigners are claiming and the percentage increase that number represent in the same time period. I suspect another one sided piece of journalism from DM that is designed to breed fear and hatred amongst the readers.
LIES. All the time lies. That's all we get from our leaders. WE NEED UKIP IN TO SORT THIS OUT.
Migration Watch and their 50,000! Have a look at the European Social Statistics publication of July 2013. It forecasts a rise in population of 15 million by 2060. That is 320,000 NET immigration per year every year. Given that migration is about 200,000 per year and therefore must be added back to give a reasonable immigration figure of 500,000 per year. Sorry Migration Watch, you missed out a zero! Think of the effect of this volume of non-U.K. citizens on health, education and social cohesion!
Totally predictable. We all know that many come and work hard for a year or two so they can access the welfare system. Once they have access to the sytem they can milk it dry. Once they are on the gravy train its impossible to get off. I really resent paying taxes to support our own Jeremy Kyle scroungers as well as a new generation of foreign benefits tourists and the situation will get worse next year. Why does our Government continually ignore us, tell us to tighten our belts and then give away our tax savings to people who have no right to it, or keep wasting it on wars that have got nothing to do with us???????????????????????????????????
We are a soft touch country and the cost in years to come will ..cost us dearly... ... Giving away more money every year cannot be sustained... ......That's basic logic...so why vote for our 650 MPs to continue this unregulated hemerage..... Of give away moneys to people that have not contributed from other countries... That is financial suicide ...... This country is sinking in give away self inflicted debt .....by MPs
So that means there's billions that could be saved and spent on more important things like paying the national debt, increase nhs spending, stopping cutting services that are needed, etc. We really do need to stop being a country that let's the world and it's wife walk all over us, close the border and stop payments to people who haven't paid into the system for at least 5 years.
yet,i ...a born and bread brit,who worked and save gets told i'm not entitled to anything as i have too much savings.
If I could stop paying my taxes, I would. I'm sick of being fleeced so that we can give the money to all the lazy benefit scroungers in the UK and now all the immigrants who are jumping on the gravy train!
surprise surprise tell us something we don't know and in the mean time i have to work an additional 6 years before i get my pension by which time i will have worked for 50 years that's fair NOT
Contrast this with Indians not 'Asians' you will find a tiny tiny minority claiming benefits. Easily the most successful immigrant community in the UK. Immigration has its benefits if you offer everything on the plate to people where is the incentive to work and get on. Scroungers think we are mugs but now we are international mugs for everyone to exploit.
Nigel, HELP!
The problem isn't just the immigration policies it is the state handouts let's base them on income and limit the years
We give them so much aid, but they still come here to earn benefits. Maybe government should be asking themselves if the aid that they give to these countries is being used appropriately.
Stop the welfare! If you have two arms and two legs you can work! That's how it is in Singapore! No welfare there they HAVE to work!
This is what you should be dealing with Dave. Leave Syria alone and sort Britain out first - earl b, Birmingham Here here!!
And don't forget to add foreign aid to all this.
Get out of this country, take your wealth with you, and leave the festering mess behind for the Labour party and their band of idealistic incompetents to carry on funding, in ever growing numbers and costs. The Labour party wants the entire world to become as poor as the poorest person in the world - it's their underlying aim.
As long as seriously ill and disabled British people who have paid tax and National insurance have their benefits taken away or denied though, ay, Mr Duncan-Smith?
EU rules are absolutely clear on this. You only have the right to stay in another EU country if you have work or are seriously seeking, and have a prospect of, finding work. That gives you a window of only three months to stay in a country. It is NOT about going to the EU country paying the most generous benefits. The rules are there to be enforced and other EU citizens who do not meet these requirements can be deported. Why is Britain not doing this, as several other EU countries actually DO?
Why do immigrants who haven't worked and are on benefits qualify for citizenship? Surely one of the requirements ought to be that they are contributing something worthwhile to this country, not helping to drain it dry.
My mother worked hard all her life,had to give up work because of ill health,she was refused benefits said she wasn't entitled, I would like to know how migrants can get it,and the dwp say the system is fair.
Sigh. What did we expect.What an unholy mess.
ok no problem, as we have paid money out in benifits to europian citi-zens, deduct it from what we have to pay into the europian slush fund soon we wont pay a peny in... :)
What happened to we welcome all immigrants as they contribute to the economy ?,another Government lie. Many just take with no intention of doing anything else,but then the ordinary,common sense people of the UK have known this for years. Labour have always encouraged immigration, Conservatives make timid attempts to control it,but in the end our masters in the EU will decide UK policy as usual. Bow to Angela or vote for a party who will so something,the choice is ours.
Send a bill to Brussells. All EU countries should have to declare how much they are paying in benefits to foreign nationals - Britain will be street ahead. We should get a rebate - we could call it the Common Benefits Policy - and should be paid back by Brussells for the scroungers coming here from other EU countries. If you are unemployed in the EU you should have to return to your native land to be unemployed there - and NOT a burden on a host country. Simple.
No surprises there then, this continuous "leaking" of rate payers money will finally bancrupt this Country and the people who actually paid into the system wll receive nothing. It was so predictable that it shames the the so called "leaders " of this once great and thriving Country who have contributed to its inevitable downfall.
Sorry rickyo, charleston. I didnt mean to red down your comment, slip on the finger. If it allowed me I would have green arrowed up one thousand times for your comment!!
No benefits, no housing, no free NHS, problem solved because they won't come here but a quicker solution would be to get us out of Europe and close the borders. Vote UKIP Vote UKIP
to all the the people who were red arrowed about the Inland Revenue worker claiming tax credits, this is why I understood what you were saying and green arrowed your comments. If it ain't money being wasted on MPs its this and if you are willing to take back what you've 'paid in' why not? These people will never contribute but are on this lovely gravytrain for life!
400'000. being given handouts, with no medical by atos and no need to find a job because it will infringe their human rights, all at the top of the housing list with huge grants to furnish the place, but if your a born and bread Brit, then you have no hope, even the dead are told to go to work by atos because they are under trained bafoons with no idea. This country is now a complete lost cause and neither UKIP or anyone will be able to save her if this government carrys on the way it is. However you the public can take a stand.
Vote Ukip its as simple as ABC
I got out of the UK seven years ago...Thank god!!
Thanks Blair
Yeah they are really making a difference to British society!!! What we do without them her claiming welfare!! After all isn't it their human right to claim benefits from the British
I am surprised it took DM such a long time to publish this story. Probably you kept too busy with the celebrity (most of them self acclaimed) hook up and break ups. To me this this is the biggest problem at present and poses threat as the best economy destroyer in future. Sad part is that that this issue is last on any polotical party's agenda being directly affecting their vote bank. However if not tackled now will ruin the country. The country is slowly dividing into two classes- one who earn and pay taxes and the other that takes it away as benefits. The earlier shrinking in size. I have no motivation to work harder for myself as it indirectly for the leeches that the benefit system helps. There is this system called benefit tourism where people from all these EU countries are encouraged to settle in UK due to its generous benefit systems. Pathetic !!
....SEND THE BILL TO TONY BLAIR.
Wow, who'd have thought that would happen!
I agree with Earl, lets concentrate on the UK Mr Cameron. Tighter security on the ports. Stricter immigration policies and certainly if a crime is committed then deportation a certainty after sentence.
No doubt the BBC and Ch4 will report this as "Good News"
this is just great what a country the MP's have made for us punish the old and disabled but lets give away money to those who have never paid into the system
We need to do away with our political system and put in place people who have no political affiliation to run the country. These career politicians have destroyed Britain in the last thirty years.
This figure will rocket from January 2014, with the money they can get on benefit it just isn't worth some people working. They will be on benefit for years, never contributing only taking.
This will not be sorted because this government is out of touch with reality taking as many holidays per year as poorer people take baths due to water rate charges AND they do not live cheek by jowl or shop in the same areas as these immigrants do therefore they are not affected in anyway .They trot out the same old spiel changes will be made to how many are allowed into this country, WHAT about the ones that are here ?. ALL THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING IS CUTTING BENEFITS AND SERVICES FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE.
hang on...arent all immigrants hard working and all brits lazy according to idiots like jamie oliver? blows that stupid argument out the water. oh, and these are goverment figures so the true number is probably two to three times that.......
I have no idea why foreigners even want to come to UK anymore. I would leave if I could afford to
You mean there not all working while the lazy english prefer to be at home watching skye and drawing benefits well well, and this is news eh!!! Well not to me or anyone else who have to live in the real world who are blessed with even half a brain, may i suggest that maybe the sheer numbers of both legal and illegal are not doing us any good, has it occured to any of our elected leaders that we would not have a housing crisis or shortage of REAL jobs or the N.H.S at breaking point or the benefit system in chaos and so on and so on. There is only so much cake you can share until you have to accept less and less until there is nothing left for anyone .
So? Britain must pay back all it stole during the Empire.
Worked all my life and never claimed. So kind of me to provide money for immigrants!!!
Not surprising really, consecutive governments have totally failed on immigration and welfare. But how could Labour have been so foolish to have allowed this situation to occur in the first place!
If you are in Switzerland and from the EU if you lose your job you can claim until your contributions run out. Then your visa is withdrawn and you have to leave. Makes sense to me
What will it take to stop half the World, with no connection to the UK, coming here to live off the current taxpayers?
Defo need to get out of the EU and put a stop to being the easy ride for these people...
The article somewhat neglects to mention that to be eligible for benefits in the UK any non-UK nationals have to prove both residency and that they are registered as a WORKER. (Residency meaning they live here and either pay rent or own a home, and registered as a worker meaning are either working or looking for work. So they are contributing to the UK just as much as anyone else.)
when i left school you could not get any benefits until you had worked for a year so why is it anybody can walk into this country and get it ,we spend billions on foreign aid to most of these countries what is not passed on to the people so then they come here to get it ,stop the foreign aid and use it to pay for this unholy mess that were in and get rid of all the overbloated overseas aid civil servants who cry we must keep helping them but are afraid that their cushy jobs with all the trips abroad would end
So are they stealing our jobs or only coming here to claim benefits? Make your mind up!
So why does the government keep telling us the the foreigners aren't allowed to claim and aren't getting a penny. More lies.
Never mind Syria.....we need need to sort out our own mess....
Maybe Jamie Oliver will employ them all .
It's our fault not controlling immigration
And you wonder why all other services get cut, you cannot have such an influx without it costing somewhere.
Maybe allowed for 6 months and if not got job by then they have to leave country !!!!
Only in UK!! Benefits should be for UK citizens only. This country is a joke when it comes to benefits.
These migrants have no right to work in UK, but get the right to earn benefits. That is back to front for me.
why do we allow this, if your not a british citizen then you shouldnt be allowed to claim benefits...its not hard to grasp is it...go to the job center, show your passport, no passport, no benefits. 1 year with no work and no valid reason for it, benefits stop. simple
Always looking to involve "Africans". Your problem is the flood of Eastern Europeans who have come here mainly to claim free cash that come here freely without any restrictions not Africans. I don't know why this government can't just own up to the fact that they made a mistake with this whole EU thing instead of making Africans and Asians a scape goat...kmt. Red arrow all you like; it doesn't affect me.
This makes me sick... my 21 year old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor in January, subsequently having surgery then radical radiotherapy and he's been denied any kind of benefits and he IS a British citizen!!! As much as he wants to finish school and get a job, he can't.
...and what about the massive increase from Asia/Middle East?
406,000 out of millions and millions. Pales when you consider how much is being paid out to Nationals. As of Febuary of 2013, there were 5.7 million working age benefit claimants. 1.59 million people claiming Employment and Support Allowance. The number of working age claimants of ESA and incapacity benefits totalled 2.48 million. 505,000 lone parents claiming Income Support. 12.8 million claimants of State Pension, of these 40% were male and 60% female. 2.46 million claimants of Pension Credit (3.00 million including partners). 3.30 million recipients of Disability Living Allowance, 1.52 million recipients of Attendance Allowance and 631,000 recipients of Carer's Allowance. Finaly, as of May 2013, the total number of people claiming Housing Benefit was 5.07 million. So I'm not so bothered about 406,000 immigrants, we wouldn't really notice if they stopped claiming...
Solution: everyone has to work for a living. Why do people think that a welfare state is a good thing?
Don't tell our Prime Minister he's to busy trying to get backing to wage war.
The is ridiculous, the only way to stop this problem is to say that anyone entering this country has to support themselves and their families for five years before they are entitled to health, housing or any other kind of benefits. Stop the benefits to people who have been here for less than five years. I know it would be hard and a lot of money would be spent sending anyone home who could not support themselves but we have got to start looking out for ourselves.
Sounds like UKIP is your only hope.
Government has got to sort this - why should British people pay taxes for this?
I don't understand how so many are getting benefits, I am from Canada and have been here 2 years and my spousal visa says directly on it " not entitled to recourse of benefits..." or something to that degree. So how are so many other foreigners getting them? We had to show all our finance and prove we were able to live without claiming (partner is a teacher, I am at moment a stay at home mum) I just don't get it... even job seekers here, how long are you allowed on it? back home when I got laid off I was entitled to my Employment insurance benefit, which I paid into, for only 24 weeks then new job or not tough it ended. Why allow people to remain on benefits indefinitely when they are not ill or disabled? It's nonsensical. *stepping down from soapbox*
If you can claim without paying in, and you allow uncontrolled immigration to people with no jobs, any 6 year old could tell you the system will collapse. Ditto the health service. It is no good blaming fully paid up pensioners.
Hands up all those who think we're better off financially within the EU.
None of the major parties have the will or the courage to tackle this problem and they will just continue to give handouts to foreigners,who should not be entitled to them,indefinately,at the expense of their own people.
Polish neighbour said that he's back off to live in Peterborough next week "because the council are more generous with their benefits". U.K.I.P.
Its astonishing how many people I know are turning to UKIP.They are our only hope before things end up turning really ugly. Brits have had enough.
Its rather simple find work in 6 weeks or leave!!! Vote ukip.
NO!....DO YOU THINK....!
The amount coming in January will run into thousands more for us the British tax payer to keep.welcomed into our country by Cameron who assures us all that its making our country a better place. Cameron is akin to Nero, Fiddling while the country burns. Cameron is destroying the Tory party and that's why we are flocking to UKIP. It's our last and only hope.
This is complete madnesses and its only going to get worse. I've never been able to claim a single penny even though I've paid into it all my life...
JClarke3012, South West, United Kingdom, 29/08/2013 03:22 How do you know they will put an end to it? Didnt tories claim to deal with the immigration issue- nothing done. This is all labours doing!
We live in a country where people get paid for doing nothing and you wonder why people from other countries want to get in on the act. But Bob Geldoff has got his wish UK is now feeding the world or at least giving benefits to the world.
Just stop, yes stop, none, nil, no more payments for until we can 1. Afford it & 2.have a system we can reply on for benefits. It would stop, in an instant, whoever tries to claim for the wrong reasons!
And whays wrong with thay.Its what liebour wanted so lets live with it.I enjoy working 50 hours a week to pay for handouts.Time to sell up and go on the rock and role myself and reep the benefits.
And our inept bloody useless Government allows it to go on and on and on ............................. UKIP for me to stop this country been the toilet of the mighty EU
I still don't understand why we won't receive any benefits abroad but we just and give. Even though I don't one voter wants it. Thanks guys
B-b-b-but this MUST be wrong , because the Left has been telling us for years how much immigrants help the economy. Oh , hang on - could it possibly be that the DM article is CORRECT and that it's the Left who have lied through their teeth ? Hmmm.....
Kinda kills that whole immigrants are "harder working" myth doesn't it?
Come on people!! If Britain is a rich or strong country, it's because of Africa. Read the terrible history and find out what they have done and still doing to Africa.from the vibration on our mobile phones to the crown on our beloved queens head and many more... Say whatever you want to say to immigrants from other countries but not AFRICANS!!!
The next election can't come soon enough - for the sake of our children please vote UKIP.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder , HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 02:35 --------------- Failed system indeed! It seems the poor British tax payer is subsidising large areas of the world together with immigrants from those same parts of the world, together with the immigrants from Europe. All of this would change dramatically if Britain had the good sense to rid itself of the infamous EU. The whole set up is a disaster.
And you people will still vote at the next election. DON'T VOTE!!!! When will you learn? Bobby, Leicester
No surprise there. Why go and get a job when the benefits system is so lucrative and you can sit and watch tv all day. The benefit system in this country encourages people to do nothing.
if you add dependents it is a huge amount of money we spend on immigration.Cant we just stop importing the low skilled from the four corners of the earth (and maybe offer incentives to those that will never be beneficial to go back)
Yeah and how many pensioners can't afford to eat or it their heating on in winter- this country is a disgrace! Stop letting people who haven't paid into the system claim.
It's so wrong because my friend moved here from Canada, she had to prove she had enough money to survive if she lost her job, enough money for a flight home... when she did lose her job through redundancy she wasn't entitled to any benefits and yet these people come over here and become a massive drain on the system...
Tell us something we didn't know. You see them walking around the streets all the time. There is no way they could support themselves without taxpayers assistance. They are clogging up the schools, clogging up the housing, clogging up the hospitals and drive on our roads without passing an UK driving test. Vote UKIP.
The British Tax Payer is a mug!
We need to get out of the EU
UKIP.
We cannot afford to keep on paying this money out. We MUST impose the sort of rule that was used when our welfare society was first established. If you have not paid in for a significant time then you get nothing!
I resent these payments to the people who have never contributed a single penny towards the welfare system. I am 71 and still work full time and pay my dues!
One years NI contribution and they can have a pension unlike us who are penalised if we don,t put in forty years.
I am an African immigrant myself....Every African immigrant I know has the bold words " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUND" stated in their visas. How then are they collecting these so called benefits?....this is all propaganda to make the statistics look good in my opinion....if they are able to bypass the systems with the above instructions on clearly stated on their visas, then the only ones to blame are the incompetent people dishing out the inexhaustible benefits. personally I am tired of paying £1000 monthly on tax an NI per month so that others can help themselves to my hard earned sweat....hard working tax payers could do with a tax free month per calender year!!!...we all need a break!! DM for once I will like to see an article about the £1800 an African highly skilled immigrant has to pay to renew their visas every 2-3 years. That will make a true and fair reading for once. DM please release my comments!!!!! its been 3 tries!!!
I was talking to a spanish guy the other day and i was asking him how come he moved to the UK if he liked it here and stuff like that. He said he had a job in Spain that pays him €1,500 a month plus his wife was working full time as well, they have two children. He said if he could get benefits he would stick around as life here would be "easier", if he didn't he would go back and take his old job and keep working. So is not only Romanian that's ruining the system, take a good look and stop being so racist! In my opinion only British people should get housing benefits, immigrants WHO PAYS TAKES should have limited access to it so no one would take advantage of it and they would stop breeding and asking for benefits.
British passport holders only should get benefits, and only those that have paid tax for a minimum of 5years. Put this billions saved into education and health services, housing and transport
Here's an idea DM, quit reporting the obvious that we all pretty much know and that way the hard working people who have to go to work early in the morning while all the lay abouts are still in bed waiting for re-runs of jeremy kyle dont have to feel miserable everyday thinking there going to work for nothing?
It will go our headstone " The UK was Generous but stupid"
Things will only get worse untill we have UKIP in government.
Oh well never mind, according to Cameron there is still enough left in my hard earned pockets to fund another war too, I must be richer than I even knew.
Wait until the floodgates open in 2014
Really ? ..... Well that for eign work-ethic argument didn't last long, did it ?
And you are surprised that we British are sick of working to pay taxes to keep these people who have put 0 into the system. Maybe we have become lazy because of this.
Cameron sits in his Ivory Tower planning air strikes while Britain sinks, This is not what I have paid taxes for all my life and will be voting UKIP. No one should get a penny unless paid into the system.
Do away with benefits to anyone not born in Britain. Yes you can come and live/work here. But dont expect a handout. If you pay tax for 3 years you can even use the NHS as long as you conitye in work. Otherwise you must carry private insurance. Until we say no the rot will continue.
It is only right that if people qualify they get benefits. The same benefits are there for you too, should you ever have the mis-fortune to require them.
Come on - make your mind up - one minute they're taking all our jobs and Jamie Oliver wouldn't have any restaurants without them, and the next minute they're all workshy scroungers? Have a careful look at where these supposed stats come from before making your judgement...
This is the war on our doorstep we should be fighting.
Just a short and (in)sincere thankyou to Tony Bliar from the bottom of my stomach for his generosity and kindness in allowing in 'anyone and everyone' from the A8 countries at a time when pretty much every other EU state said "No!" Bliar you are a traitor to this country and your party... but I gather the JP Morgan salary more than makes up for it eh? were you not part of the establishment you would have been in the Hague a long time ago!!
What have the public been saying ?! Yet, STILL, they allow those who come here to live can claim benefits and allowances without having put one penny into ''the pot'' ! Time to stop this unfair nonsense which is destroying this , once, lovely country.
Are the same payments offered to British citizens living in other countries in the EU, I don't think so, Britain is the laughing stock of the World.
It's absolutely disgraceful! It amazes me that everyone wonders why this country is going to pot. This is obviously the main reason. The system is being abused by immigrants and we the honest taxpayers are just sitting back and watching it happen and so is our government. Something needs to be done and fast as this is getting out of control and will only lead to trouble and unrest eventually. UKIP needs to be given a chance. Let's face it nobody could do any worse than this awful lot that are governing now.
open borders and soft politicians. don't ya just love em.
Well what a shock.... NOT! Blair said this would never happen and we all said it would and he called us racist so that the conversation could never be had and the problem brushed under the carpet.... he should be tried for treason
This has got to be stopped
I'm African and marjority of us works we came here to better ourselves and as soon as I get to where I want I'm going back as this country is a JOKE!!! the more you work you get taxed but the lazy you are you get rewarded.... Tbh UK people your country fellow men and woman are the ones you need to concentrate on cause without foreigners working their backsides off this country is going down and very fast as I've never seen lazy people that moan and moan about nothing in my life!!!! So get it right you need foreigners!!!!
At first I started to write to complain about this sorry mess our previous and present leaders have dragged this once great nation down to, but whats the use, nobody in our government is listening or give a rats a*rse in what I have to say. I'm sitting back now and WAITING, waiting for the next general election when I and many others like me can have our say and change the face of this country for the better, for the future of out grandchildren -UKIP
There is no greater pleasure then spending other peoples's money!
Tell us something we didn't already know! Despite what the government presumes, we are not complete fools!
Please don't keep printing stories like this DM. Because it really makes my blood boil and ruins my day and there's nothing I can do about it.
So lets get involved in another war to take the focus off immigration and what will happen in Jan 2014 !!!!!!
Overheard a group of immigrants at a local boot sale the other week one couple had bumped into another and their newborn baby. The first couple then said your ok now you've had a baby you will get to stay you wont be sent home. The UKs gone mad..... even immigrants know how to work the system and we are too PC to do a thing about it.
Coming to light now just what damage Liebour did when in power!
How come these people are allowed to walk in and pick up cash, here in OZ its 2 years after entering the country as a legal immigrant that you can get anything in benefits.
Another example of why I will be voting UKIP. get these people out of our country so we can look after our own.
So pleased that myself & my partner both have the pleasure of full time jobs and each have second jobs as we desperately try to save a deposit so we can buy our 1st house and then consider starting a family. Thank you so much dear government for allowing us the privilege of supporting so many people who have not added to our economy & thank you again for not giving a rats behind about us hard working uk tax payers. Would you like some of my blood too?
Really, sarcasm will not help.
Are we surprised? I'm so fed up of all this - I ask myself why do I bother working? The whole system is a joke - bring back the system from 1949!! UKIP are coming in......
I am sick of paying huge taxes to give a cushy life to work shy Brits and scrounging foreigners. So I'm moving to Oz where I'll get to keep more of my hard earned money. Britain is ruining itself with its lax laws.
Just what we wanted to read before going off to work to pay more tax to subsidise these scroungers! Send them back!
They should not be allowed in unless they have a job to come to and the employer pays sufficient to support that person fully. No family in unless the worker fully supports them and they have to leave when contract ends. If they do not enter the country legally then no benefit. Can we go to France looking for work and get housed free NO.
It is all too easy to get the state to support and pay for entire existance. Generally those that are prepared to work will receive little or even nothing at all, as they will most likely have have the determination and own personal respect to sort them selves out. When my wife was made redundant a month before giving birth, we where given nothing. Once we had the baby we receved state funded paternety pay, and nothing more. We where told that we could not get working tax credits or anything else for that matter. As my sallary was over £33,000 we where denied everything. Our Despite our mortgage being over £1200 a month, leaving us just £600 a month to pay for every thing else. Out out goings where £200 a month more then i was bringing in. We have both worked our entire adult lives, never claiming a thing and both paying both tax and NI for over 35 years between us. As i said, those who need a little help will always get an answer off no.
we have to start to encourage these people to go back to where they come from, not entice them here with free handouts, the sooner we leave the EU the better.
And I always thought we Brits were smart. Wrong!
When is this crass stupidity going to stop?
As one Bulgarian said to me 'the UK is golden land!` says it all really. The Government are on cloud cuckoo land as in January there will be many more claiments to add to the hundreds of thousands already claiming.
Madness Total Madness........Lunatics running the Asylum!!
I am an African immigrant myself....Every African immigrant I know has the bold words " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUND" stated in their visas. How then are they collecting these so called benefits?....this is all propaganda to make the statistics look good in my opinion....if they are able to bypass the systems with the above instructions on clearly stated on their visas, then the only ones to blame are the incompetent people dishing out the inexhaustible benefits. personally I am tired of paying £1000 monthly on tax an NI per month so that others can help themselves to my hard earned sweat....hard working tax payers could do with a tax free month per calender year!!!...we all need a break!! DM for once I will like to see an article about the £1800 an African highly skilled immigrant has to pay to renew their visas every 2-3 years. That will make a true and fair reading for once.
Makes me weep, we are fast losing services our children's futures are not secure, no housing for them, failing health service and education. Our pensions will be the next to be affected I've said or years if you've paid into a private pension to top up your government one you WILL lose your state pension as there will not be enough money. They will say you have to live on your private one as there is not enough money to pay for ones who have not either worked or saved for their retirement. Hard workers are on a hiding to nothing.
What a pity the Government cannot show the same enthusiasm on immigration control as it has for Syria where sabre rattling goes on at a high level, with costs already mounting. really what is wrong with British Politics ??
Anyone surprised by this news I doubt it.
Would I be able to claim benefits in these countries? No, I wouldn't. So why does this government think it's OK to spend OUR taxes on benefits for people who have never paid into the system? We cannot afford to keep the world and his mother in benefits.
While many of these have the right to claim benefits due to their coming from Commonwealth countries, there are many more from outside the Commonwealth. Having said that,neither group should have an automatic right and this must end now. We cannot afford it, and it only encourages greater immigration, which is damaging to this country. We have been a soft touch for far too long. The percentage by which the benefits bill has risen due to immigration is astonishing and must not be allowed to rise any further.
and they state the english young are lazy , what they talkin about
Wrong!
Our politicians must think every taxpayer in the UK has fool stamped on their forehead.{I don't mean fool really I'm being polite.
Why the hell are so many from Asia and the Middle East claiming benefits here?
been in UK for twenty yrs from Kenya. I always worked and paid my taxes. why can't this mess be sorted?
From the International Health Service to a International Benefits System, no wonder we are broke!
Don't understand why immigrants are eligible at all (or have free access to schools or NHS). There should be a suitable period and/or amount of employment/earning/tax paying before having access to pulic funds and services. This means come with private health insurance, have a secure job, and send your kids to a fee paying school. If conditions are breached after arrival, then go home or get a friend/family member to pay. I massively resent paying any amount of tax to subsidise health, welfare, and education of those who will never be a net-contributor to our economy.
Oh yes. And that figure most likely dosnt include the cost to the tax payer via the NHS and free education. I feel angry that genuine benefit claimants from is country are being stigmatised by the government for costing so much money and our elderly and disabled are suffering hugely when a large proportion of the problem is outlined in this report. Just disgusting.
We owe these people NOTHING.
These facts are truly unbelievable. Disgusting. Why Why Why are we paying these migrants "benefits" ?? These migrants governments won't pay them these "benefits". If I go to Poland, for example, I will not be able to claim "benefits", so why can Poles and other migrants come to UK and claim ? Millions of UK citizens are really struggling to keep their heads above water, yet, as quoted, billions is leaking out the back door.
I lived and worked in several overseas countries at no time was I entitled to any benefits in any of those places at any time.
@MH414.....totally agree with you. This is what I can't understand. Get one family member in and hey ho....
this government attacks our own sick,disabled, poor and pensioners and then give it all to parasites flooding this country with more to come next year.
From abroad - not working and claiming benefits? Then you must be removed and sent back to your home country ASAP. No 'human rights' rubbish or other silly edicts from the rubbish in Strasbourg - just get out!
WHY DO WE LET THEM DO THIS?! IT'S RIDICULOUS!!!
This is why we will be voting for UKIP A BRITISH PARTY FOR BRITISH PEOPLE we want our country back, and we will get it back......
When is any uk government going to stand up?Enough is enough.
And then there are the countrymen and women who work hard all their lives and put into the system non stop only to find they have eye watering hurdles to jump over when they, through no fault of their own, do have to use the system. These are the people who are entitled to use the system but the system fails relentlessly!! And then the government wonders why people are so angry...they haven't got a clue!!
Since we also have to pay housing and other benefits to non-uk "workers" on un-employment benefit, it would be cheaper to encourage them to go back home by continuing the un-employment benefit when they have gone. Cheaper still, just pay them the benefit back in Eastern Europe so they don't have to come here in the first place. We could estimate how many people will need it, and just send it over.
just wait until next year
Oh these must be the immigrants we need To boost the economy and pay the pensions of the retired!!!
Get out of the EU, dump human rights laws and vote UKIP or continue down this road. When the money in the coffers gets too low under Liblabcon our old age pensioners will have their money taken but this lot will still get theirs.
It's a joke. Nobody should be claiming any sort of benefits, not unless they have made a sizeable contribution to the pot. And we wonder why we are short of money. Not blaming immigrants, but it has certainly not helped out our own situation. We are set to do this all over again come Jan 2014. The majority will find work, the majority will pay taxes, but again there will be percentage forced on to benefits, and those that do work will get all the standards benefits of being in the UK, free schools, doctors, hospitals and other services. It all costs more and more money.
This proves that immigration brings only good things to the country. Well, as far as DWP staff are concerned who now have good old jobs for life again dealing with all these claims!
Time we dealt with it properly, no qualifications we want , no entry ! The problem will only escalate unless we get tough. Furthermore please remember a lot of these migrants travel across several European borders to get here. Still word is still out there that the UK is a soft touch !
I throught that charity begins at home. Lets see what spin that Mr C can come up with.
It appears to suit someone's political agenda - wait till the bubble bursts!
wish I were a foreigner in my own Country, I'd probably have more success with my benefit claim. I'd certainly be entitled to various different benefits and free courses if I was. That is my experience.
Now there's a superise
Meanwhile the state retirement age increases from 65 to 66 then quickly to 68 cos we can't afford to pay thepension. For who''ve worked for years but due to the kind of work and / or slight congenital illnesses / disabilities can't continue, even in apart time job because of their medical condition the futures very bad. If over a life time you saved at least £16k you get no financial support from the state. You are required to live off your savings until they run dry or the state pension becomes payable. For the aged with disabilities the future is not good. You'll work whilst you're in pain , then your employer will sack you when you can't do your job, then the state will squeeze you some more until you're broke financially, physically and mentally ... you'll be left to die in poverty because you were unlucky not to be born as physicaly strong as others or sustained injuries working! Meanwhite, those who've never paid into the system take all that you've paid in? How can this
Don't get me started..........
Nobody who hasn't paid into the system for x amount of years should be able to claim.
How can an illegal immigrant claim benefits?! That just sums this country up! A bloody joke!
Every man and his dog can claim and the UK is fast disappearing down the toilet.
No matter what evidence emerges, our politicians seem oblivious to the fact that immigration is NOT good for the UK. There is a simple solution and that is to stop all immigration now and stop payment of benefits to any illegal immigrant. Legal immigrants should receive no benefits unless they have worked here for a minimum of 5 years. Unless our politicians take positive action now then our whole benefits system will simply be crushed by the ever increasing numbers of claimants.
"Number of foreigners claiming UK benefits leaps 41% in 5 years: More than 400,000 now handed payouts that cost taxpayers billions each year." Well, well, well, who would have thought it, foreigners coming here to claim benefits. Come on Cable, grow a pair, come on Cameron, Clegg, Harman, Cooper, Blunkett, Straw and Balls, get some and stop this ludicrous insistence that foreigners all come here to work and instead once a foot is in the door they bring over the rest of their family or even families. All politicians were warned about this situation time and again over the last decade and longer but they all turned a deaf ear. Get a grip of immigration instead of following the PC brigade and their line.
Can I have a tax rebate please. The only benefits either myself or my ex wife claimed were a small amount of tax credit and child benefit. My children are out in the world supporting themselves and have been since they were 18 and none of us have been a burden on the NHS. As a single man living on my own I think if I lost my job, the chances of me ever being able to claim anything like the amount of benefits being paid to foreigners is very unlikely. I shall be voting UKIP because I am fed up of being taken for a ride by self serving politicians who have nothing but their own interests at heart.
Hang on, I thought they had a magnificent work ethic, and that they had come here to work and do the jobs the lazy British won't do. Isn't that what the Thought Police have been telling us? Now we see that not ony have they de-valued our job market, but they are quite happy to caim benefits paid for by the lazy British for the lazy British. As predicted by all but the most greedy employers and our strangely disconnected succession of governments, mass imigration is resulting in abuse and fracture in our society.
UK becoming America?
ARRGGGHHHH!!!!!!
To describe our politicians as misguided, deluded, incompetent, PC idiots would be the understatement of the century. And they are doing WHAT to fix this mess?
And yet the government still pedals the same myth that immigrants pay more in than they take out, if they know how many then they should be able to tell us how they are paying out and should publish the full cash amount per year of how much they are paying out, they will not as there will be uproar.
What a joke! How has this happened. I just don't understand this country. They are quite happy to continue to ruin us.
And this clown we have will do nothing to stop it he wants to go to war instead of getting our own country's problems sorted out.
Over to you Cameron, are we to hear more talk or see some action? I think I know what it will be as does everyone else.
We told you so and keep telling you. No wonder they all want to come here. Is it really necessary to say it? Vote UKIP!
It's all OK because Tony Bliar is going to foot the bill for all his little Darlings
No no no no! You should have to pay taxes for AT LEAST 1 year before you're eligible to claim benefits as an immigrant!!!
Cameron is doing nothing to stop it at all. Vote UKIP or we are doomed!
Thank you bLIAR!!!
And back in the real world British disabled are being forced back to work by a French company just to save money for the government. How many foreign disability claimants are being told to return to work or even start work for the first time. I can tell you, none. The government don't want to be called racist but its ok to attack our own who have paid taxes for years. Time this was looked at.
Don't worry, still a drop in the Ocean compared to the billions paid to British citizens!!!
Sorry regardless of what our EU friends say that we must pay the same benefits to all EU migrants living and working over here. You should have to pay in for at least 5 years to even start drawing any benefits.. I will also voting for a man called Nigel to sort out this mess..
and still they only target /demonise british claimants as feckless scroungers whilst paying not born/bred here people fortunes to come here to live ,cut the benefits to non brits they will soon stop arriving what can our blind politicians not see ?
Total reform is needed, the system is close to collapse. Time to have a flat rate payment which is payed in proportion to the number of years contributions, from say ten years contributions 100% to no contributions zero.
And our woolly political class do nothing. They wonder why we hate them - there is no money for our own and we have enough lazy people who could work. So that is why I shall be voting UKIP the only party that is addressing this and many more things our little posh boys (all three) have no idea about.
These costs are the tip of the iceberg when you consider the impact on the NHS, housing, education and other public services. Just how far can we be pushed before the worm turns.
If it is made so easy for them to claim benefits, who can blame them?. There are many immigrants that now work in the areas that dispense these hand outs i.e. dole, NHS, immigration dept., ,local council etc. etc. etc., do you not think they are not assisted or even fast tracked to handouts????????. COME ON UK. WAKE UP STOP BEING THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD.
UK, Social Services provider for the rest of the World. What the hell are our Politicians and Civil Servants playing at. Disgusted. I,m definitely voting UKIP!
These costs are the tip of the iceberg when you consider the impact on the NHS, housing, education and other public services. Just how far can we be pushed before the worm turns.
People that come into the Uk should be able to support themselves , not the British taxpayer
What a mess our country is in, I dread to think what our country will be like in 10 years time, we are swamped with people who should not be here, why does the goverment not listed to the people who pay their wages
More fool you lot...
Nice to see where my taxes are going, rather than funding better schools, health care and social security for workers and decent pension schemes.
We need to make it harder to get benefits we can't continue like this!
Hey you all must be wrong, leftys keep telling us that migrants are really good for our economy, after all there answers are always right as they get it from divine intervention.....Oh no wait... we are in the real world. I despise the left
Dumping Ground for illiterate and unskilled labour
Ha Ha now charge who for these mistakes
Words fail me.
And what about housing and the NHS. Bleeding our country dry vote ukip at all opportunities
Why?
This is a disgrace it seems working for a living is now out of fashion
Labour don't want a cap on benefits, benefits should be paid to those who pay into the system.
This goverment doesn't care as long as its not effecting them, let them keep coming more people that come even if they are here just for freebies they are potential voters.
It can be stopped......just change the rules. Make Britain great again rather than let it slip further down the drain. First call......stop child benefit, we do not need to encourage families to have more children. This is only adding to our huge bills and making future generations of families face child poverty while irresponsible adults breed for funding their lifestyles. Start this from today for all new additions. Our system is far too generous, workers and tax payers should not be responsible for lax birth control by others nor should those in power encourage this.
Why, why, why?
Infuriates me so much. We looked at emigrating to Australia but didn't have the skill set to get in there despite my husband having a good job over here. A different story in the UK we let anytime over and then pay them benefits too. This country is going to rack and ruin.
Told you so, it was on the cards.Everbody knows what a soft touch the British welfare system is. Could that be the reason that we have a problem with mass illegal immigration.
UKIP anyone?
There are 500 000 Brits who have never worked. If they each get the maximum 26k a year, it means they are taking home 13 billion a year... why shouldn't the Eastern Europeans be the same in our country, or should I say in this offshore region of the eu! Our government needs to grow some and start looking after the tax payer and the MOST unfortunate.. not the feckless!
No wonder there is a queue to get here and why the country's finances are out of control.
Look at the figures and look at the lumping of areas together, or in the case of the eu, seperating them.. you can see the biggest spongers are Europeans on our system. Asia and the Middle East are huge compared to Europe. Out of the eu and we could save billions.. in benefits alone!
So the truth is out, this is the real reason my wife has to wait until she is 66 to get her pension. We are a joke the scum of the world come here & hold their hand out for benefits whilst tax payers who have worked all their lives pay for it. I'll be voting UKIP.
Ok so most of it is Middle East and Asia maybe just maybe get someone to check whether every single of that claimants is legally here and if not buy them ticket home. Surely gonna be cheaper then all benefits they claim
Well Britain will not be a Great Britain in the future. We will be a poor country. We can't afford to sustain the whole of Europe and beyond! I can't understand why we ever joined the EEU - I think it was to be milked dry! We should be more like America.
And the Government wonders why our country is in such a mess! This country is seen as a joke to the free loaders, no matter where they are from.
And yet our hard-earned money is pumped abroad by Cameron to despots and other countries who don't even want our money. Whenever UK's 'foreign aid' is mentioned it makes me feel sick that our cash is being squandered when there are cancer patients we refuse to treat on cost-basis, firestations being disbanded, roads pitted with huge holes, a crumbling (International)HS..... We are funding millions of people from abroad, either in our tiny country or their dependents abroad as this article states. It's an absolutely diabolical state of affairs, looking after others when we can ill afford to.
There are 500 000 Brits who have never worked. If they each get the maximum 26k a year, it means they are taking home 13 billion a year... why shouldn't the Eastern Europeans be the same in our country, or should I say in this offshore region of the eu! Our government needs to grow some and start looking after the tax payer and the MOST unfortunate.. not the feckless!
And we wonder why we're in a mess. Yet when my husband was off sick for 3 months we couldn't get a penny because I worked 20 hours and they didn't care I had 2 children to care for. We look after everyone but our own.
no no NO. Immigrants come here to work, and only take the jobs we do not want to take, remember?? After all, our politicians couldn't be lying to us about that.....COULD THEY?
Your comments: The champagne socialists are MUGS.
we going to have another war soon so we got plenty of money.
This country has turned into a cess pit and the previous goverments should be held for treason
This is ridiculous. You should not be allowed into this country unless you can support yourself. Why should you be able to come here and have everything paid for you? And education should not be free unless you pay tax! Britain is actually hilarious how ridiculous it is.
So that's where all the tax pay in every month goes to.
And like the mugs we are we continue to be slaves to HMRC and the bigger mugs in parliament know it but cannot conjure up a mechanism to stop it. What creatures of habit we are. Whilst we work , work, work and pay, tax, tax ,tax these intruders grab, grab, grab all they can. And a good percentage can't even behave as they soak it all up
So come on left wing liberals.......defend this please? We are always told by the BBC and others that immigration has a positive effect on the UK economy and that we couldn't function without it. Well we could do without the huge benefits bill that they generate for starters!
Small amount compared to the amount of benefits claimed by MPs and civil servants pensions.
If migrants become unemployed within five years of coming here, they should either find alternative work immediately or go home. No benefits for them before they've paid in for five years minimum.
EU immigrants, well, we signed up for that, and lots of Brits are in EU countries. If they don't give out such generous benefits, that's our stupidity, not theirs. But WHY are any Africans at all in the UK? Stop ALL benefits to anybody who has not WORKED for a minimum of five years in the UK, and watch the boats fill up...
Your comments:how are these people eligible is beyond me
So although east europeans are working, most jobs are low paid so we the taxpayer top up their wages with other benefits. Therefore the employers are paying them low wages which we the taxpayer have to also fund so we the taxpayer are paying for these employers to make an even bigger profit !!!.
Not surprised where I live a homeless Romanian woman with 3 children was given a 3 bedroomed semi with front and back gardens ahead of people who have been on the waiting list for years and who are working, she has never put a penny into the system but reaps everything council tax, child benefit etc .The children go to school locally and yes she is self employed selling the big issue I am an alone when I think something needs to be done.
The only thing that will resolve this is further cuts the benefits. It is the ludicrous sums and the comfortable lifestyle that can be afforded by these claimants at the expense of the hard working individuals who are don't constantly moan about there human rights and how there cat will suffer if they go out to work.
In my opinion ,if we brought a law out that excluded any foreigner from claiming benefits un til they had worked and resided here for a number of years,then not only would it half the amount of people coming toy our shores ,it would mean that the ones that do are genuine!
The current situation is unsustainable. The influx of EU workers has driven down wages, forced many British workers to accept pay cuts, and some to lose their jobs to cheaper immigrants. As wages are driven down the tax take is also lower, but the amount paid in benefits rises, to cover child tax credits, working tax credits, housing benefit, unemployment benefit etc. There is also extra costs for housing, education, health. I would like a politician to explain exactly who in this country, open borders are benefiting. It certainly is not the ordinary worker.
I can imagine me going to East Europe or Africa and being paid benefits. The country is an absolute shambles run by incompetent politicians of all ilk.
Cancel the lot make it means tested ONLY & ONLY if you have contributed TAX/NI for 5 years minimum PER adult anything else is a complete travesty.
Next year you will be wishing that was all it was, when you get them all, shows how the UK needs imigrants to survive as the MP's like to tell us
A lot of immigrant groups are now into their second and third generation so that those cultures that perform very badly and rely on benefit's won't be reflected in these figures.
The only fools who did not expect this are the politicians who are supposedly in charge, never mind we, the tax payer, will pay. Now when were we asked........
I wonder how the statistics would look if they showed NON-EU/Commonwealth against EU/Commonwealth recipients? I think, then we would see an even bigger balance.
thought Jamie Oliver said immigrants are better and harder workers if he didn't make them work 80-100 hour's a week he could hire some more doing the normal 40 hour week and in the mean time helping the country get rid of some of the foreign benefits scroungers
This is the legacy that Blair and Labour have left us. Blair and Brown ran the worst government ever
This is disgusting, there should be no way of being able to move into this country if you are unable to support yourself & your family, why do we have to fund the lives of people who haven't bothered putting a penny in themselves? If you move to this country you shouldn't be able to claim benefits straight away or be entitled to free healthcare. There needs to be some big changes in this country.
Jamie Oliver did you read this. not everyone for abroad is hard working and wonderful. it is also true that not all Brits are lazy and workshy..
if you haven't contributed to our taxation and national insurance system for at least 5 years, then you shouldn't be allowed to claim anything from it. Nowhere else in the world is this allowed to happen, its no wonder we are full of immigrants with many more entering illegally every day. Time to get it sorted and say NO
Do they really think if we went to their countries we could get the same treatment, not a chance
Since when were we responsible for Africans and those from the Middle East? Not enough that we have a huge influx from Eastern Europe...where I live it's gone from being a place where people knew each other to a land of foreigners and no longer a place I know.
"Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits ."- williamcook07 , lincoln, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 04:07---------------------Even that is the tip of said iceberg as after 3 years arrivals can claim citizenship and hence no longer count as foreigners.If we were to ever be shown the figures for those who were born abroad or whose parents were born abroad the stats would be staggering.
That's O.K. there's still a couple of bob left to steal from the hard (and ever harder and longer) working middle and the savings of the thrifty. At least we'll be able to house them properly when Nick Boles' concrete Britain gets going. With friends like our politicians......................
This needs to he stopped our only hope is UKIP.
Meanwhile, our own sick and disabled are having their benefits cut. We should be sending these people home if they cannot support themselves which would free up housing, hospital and school places and reduce the financial impact on already over burdened taxpayers. Despite successive Government messages that immigration is good for the UK, under such circumstances, it is most definitely not.
Take a page out of Australia & New Zealand make it harder for them to get in and if they do have a stand down period of say 2 yrs.
Will any surprised P.M.s please stand up for the U.K., for a change.?..............Con. member.
VOTE UKIP....shocking stats that are only going to get worse with foreigners coming here. Africans coming and claiming off our benefits system that our parents have paid into for years and didn't even claim from. Absolute Joke of a country. Welcome to multicultural Doogooder Britain.
And the Government wants more immigration, with a right to vote in any EU referendum. Folks! we have a rouge Government that needs to be stopped, look how close we have come to a third world war under Cameron recently. They are all out of control and living in their own reality, not ours.
Schools bursting at the seams with migrant children,NHS that can't cope and they always go to the top of the social housing while our own military service personnel sit behind them in the queue, they are here for the benefits only and have destroyed our country in doing so, this government and the previous one should hang their heads in shame, can't wait till January.
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh dear.You will certainly need all the luck in the world in the next ten years or so. Tax payers in the U.k. you really were sold a pup all those years ago.Oh well.
Joining the EU is quickly getting you down to their level!!!!!!!
SOFT JOHNNY ENGLISH..... THATS US
Why else do you think they came here.......the weather???
Are not the recipients cross referenced through the various agencies that employ them (carrying out CRB checks etc.), and any benefits re-charged to the Country of their origin, as with Health Care and appropriate Medical insurance?
Students shouldn't be receiving any benefits. If they are coming here to study they should be able to fund their education and their stay or they should be asked to leave. Or are these students of these so-called universities that were closed because they were nothing but fronts for getting people into the country? In which case they are here under false pretences and again they should be made to leave.
Our country is being swamped by foreigners and our welfare system is being plundered by them. Why, for God's sake, can our politicians not see this AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
Just when are our governments going to wake up to the FACTS?
There is only ONE answer, vote UKIP in 2015. They will cancel HS2 Get us out of the EU, get us out of the Human (criminal) Rights Act and stem Immigration.
And what have they contributed? No pay in, no pay out.
What does this country expect, when we have an open door policynand let everyone in.
Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits . - williamcook07 , lincoln, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 04:07***I've no problem with that if they are working. Plenty of ;natives' have NEVER worked & claim ALL the benifits; We know an English family living in France that haven't had any incme for 3 years and they are on FRENCH benifits whilst only contributing to the French ststem for 2 years. It doesn't only happen in the UK. British people also claim benifits abroad................take a look at the Spanish figures for the number of UK nationals claiming Spamish benifits.
a total of 406,900 non-UK nationals were claiming work-related benefits such as jobseekers¿ allowance, incapacity benefit and disability living allowance in the year to February 2012. COME ON THEN I.D.S. JUSTIFY THE ABOVE STATEMENT, OR IS IT EASIER FOR THE DWP JUST TO PENALISE OUR OWN CITIZENS. ????????????
Put Blair on trial!
stop this nonsense now, unless you have put in for at least ten years you get nowt! zilch! nicht! nyder! nothing! zero!
Just one more thing to thank Bliar for then.. of course no one in the current coalition seems in a hurry address the problem. EU OUT NOW PLEASE!!
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid ..
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid ..
I'm a Brit living in France and I'm desperately looking for work here --- there is no equivalent of JSA unless you've previously paid into the system. To make matters worse all the information available IS ONLY IN FRENCH.
I'm fed up with this country having to put up with cherry picking benefit scroungers from Eastern Europe and third world countries. UKIP it is!
Frankly, I don't care if they're foreigners or not! If they're taking advantage of this ridiculous system then they're hurting the average, hardworking tax payer
Makes my blood boil. I thought we were going to get a grip on this sort of thing. UKIP can't come soon enough for me.
The UK is now being milked like a dairy cow, our kids futures are really looking bleak. I never thought the UK would be destroyed like this.
As the figures have shot up in the last two years, it makes a nonsense of Duncan Smith's endless statements that he has stopped it all........... He seems content to penalise low paid and out of work Brits who have paid in, leaving many homeless and even poorer, whilst hurling money at foreign nationals who have not paid a penny into the system. The numbers will really explode next year when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive.
And what's dodgy Dave gonna do about it? Exactly, nothing......nothing whatsoever. VOTE UKIP and get out of the EU NOW.
I find it appalling that the management of the UK's financial affairs have been allowed to sink into such a diabolical situation. The Civil Service is inundated with an overpaid under performing staff, in drastric need of a completely new restructureing,quite impossible with the abilities uuf the current parliament.
Can't wait to read the comments
Ah the same ones that are suppose to be bringing their knowledge and wealth here I suppose.
If they can't contribute.....send them home. QUICKLY! The UK taxpayer does not want them here as sponges to our stretched system. Thanks a bundle for your "Take all" immigration policy Mr.Blair, you have messed my country up a treat.
don't give them a bean
STOP ANY MORE IMMIGRATION BEFORE THE FLOOD GATE OPEN NEXT YEAR.WHAT ARE THE BRITISH PEOPLE WORKING FOR,TO GIVE THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO DONT DESERVE IT, AND DONE NOTHING FOR THE COUNTRY.
its ok if the UK goes bankrupt, as long as 'johnny foreigner' is well kept that's ok NOT!!!
Just maybe the DM will take up a campaign and do something rather than wind everyone up with the constant depressing miserable stories.
THE LABOUR PARTY'S LEGACY
This is what you should be dealing with Dave. Leave Syria alone and sort Britain out first
why are we giving them these handouts? they should get exactly what they get in their home contry nothing more.
The reason the Government can't see this is because they think it is normal! All you have to do is sick your nose into Westminster and take a look at the support staff and see how many are from this Country!
Well they are not here for the weather are they...!!!
It is quite simple to cure this. If you haven't contributed for 5 years, you get nothing. If that was implemented, I wonder if we'd get so many wanting to come here?
Are you reading this Tony and Gordon?
Welcome to Britain, Should read " sorry we're full ". The UK has become a joke people should not be allowed into the UK unless they can support themselves... period.
And does the Government really care, of course not....its us that are paying.
Free money and they will keep coming and coming. The country is finished. Get out of the EU and stop feeding the world, Mr. Cameron
why...?...benefits should only be for citizens...and only if they qualify.
If this situation carries on it will not be long before there are more claimants than taxpayers, and we all know that this will lead us in to Carey St. The folly of our politicians is boundless.
And a lot of them don't even speak English, an interpreter is needed to help them claim benefits, adding to the financial burden.
It really is about time that the benefits system had an overhaul. We need a system similar to many countries in Europe whereby the level of benefit payments are based on what the individual has paid in - i.e. someone who has never worked or contributed should get vouchers whereas someone who has worked all their life and been made redundant should get a payment based on their wage. A much fairer system all round.
Yet still they are doing nothing about the influx of Bulgarians and Romanians that will start in January! If Britain came out of the EU it wouldn't be forced to pay these ludicrous benefits.
Nice to at last seen a breakdown of British and non British claimants. So much for the lies about the economic benefits of immigration being force fed to us over the years. In reality the quality of most of the immigrants over many years has been abysmally low, and a big drain on our diminishing resources!
they should not be allowed to claim any benifits for atleast 5 years and if they come here disabled im sorry but why should we pay for a disabled person from another country, this is just not fair on the tax payer and on brits that try to claim but get refused total madness.
Remember all the assertions that immigrants weren't claiming benefits, largely because they couldn't? Just like the claims that among disability benefit claimants there were infinitesimally low rates of fraud. that the rate of fraud. Both drivel.
Welcome to benefit Britain!!
Really wish this could be a Great country again .We need to sort our borders out and get out of the E.U NOW . But sadley the gates have been open so long we cqn not get rid of the ones who are here already .
Welcome to the land of milk and honey,but mainly MUGS.
Should be so simple. Uk benefits paid to UK nationals. Foreigners should get nothing. What would we get in another country?
Shocking. Why does Britain put up with such nonsense from the EU? This is not sustainable. Disaster on the horizon.
This country is ******* joke!
yet the government still tell us the migration is palying a major part of the recovery of the uk........and to think we the romanians and the bulgarians all welcome to the land of milk and honey. Sick of reading about this all the time,and then you get the likes of posh boy jamie oliver slagging off the brits just so he can justify emplying foreign workers for cheap money.
Englands problems solved in 4 words, STOP THE WELFARE STATE
We already knew this and it's completely and utterly immoral and wrong, because it is robbing us tax payers to pay for those who haven't contributed a penny. My vote goes to the party who commits to sorting this farce out.
And they worry about a few Pensioners claiming extra benifits while living abroad having paid their taxes all their lives ,sort out the problems of scroungers from around the world first.then worry about the minority.
In Spain I cannot claim a penny and it belongs to the evil EU, why?
Just vote UKIP and put an end to this madness.
Is this really news , I could see this coming years ago . What did the labour government actuall expect ? Shut the stable door after the horse has bolted !
....... thank you Mr Blair and Brown for allowing this to happen under your watch ....... And Labour still fail to acknowledge there is a problem and fail to communicate any future policy of how t deal with their mess ......!!
Governments too busy starting wars to care
You are sadly deluded if you think that the numbers of Bulgarians and Romanians coming next year will be only in the tens of thousands. It will be in the hundreds of thousands in the first few months, then unstoppably rise into the millions. In the meantime, the word has spread around the world about the asylum scam, and how one can live the life of Riley in England without ever having to work again. But the politicians will allow the complete disintegration of the UK, rather than take an axe to the benefits system, which would be the only remedy.
Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits .
These figures do not include all the immigrants receiving tax credits or child tax credits, which is another eye-watering figure. Nor do they include asylum seekers, who pay no rent, no council tax, no bills, no travel expenses, thanks to the generosity of the British taxpayer. Well I'm one tax payer who has had enough, and I will be voting for a man called Nigel to sort out this mess.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system.
Is it not oblivious, one worker from a "family" gets a job and pays N.I> then that becomes the gateway for the entire extended family to come to the UK for free education, health care and benefits. Not quite what the welfare state was designed for - this is why it's failing. If I can see this happening why can those in power not cure the problem - Political Correctness?
As for the comparing this to the learning of French songs, it's not comparing like with like. France is our immediate neighbour, a country which most Brits will visit and a language which most of the children will learn at secondary school, thus learning the occasional French song is a little introduction to the sounds and vocabulary of the language which will be useful to them later. Generally French songs taught at primary school, such as Frere Jaques, are very simple, memorable and WILL be it is not a time wasting task.
As for the comparing this to the learning of French songs, it's not comparing like with like. France is our immediate neighbour, a country which most Brits will visit and a language which most of the children will learn at secondary school, thus learning the occasional French song is a little introduction to the sounds and vocabulary of the language which will be useful to them later. Generally French songs taught at primary school, such as Frere Jaques, are very simple, memorable and WILL be it is not a time wasting task.
Not all Parents are behind this Petition also as a Parent at the school My 2 Children are singing different songs and they are both really enjoying it me daughter sings it to us most nights. i think its a great idea its an International singing festival !!!! and no one is being forced to go !
Doug of London is quite unrealistic in his remarks about kids' picking up languages. They do learn more easily than adults, but they are NOT being taught Lithuanian or Polish at school, and being forced to learn a song parrot fashion in a language which is meaningless top them is a totally MINDLESS exercise which flies in the face of all modern thinking about teaching and learning. It is frankly appalling and the parents are right to object.
But I bet these people sing Frere Jacques to their children?
Next time you go to vote question the candidates as to whether they support schools being taught in all things 'English,' if the candidate/s tries to turn the question on its head by referring in some context to racism, tell him/her how 'you' feel the go tell your neighbours what the candidate stands for!
The English are funny like that. They move to Wales and moan that their kids are taught Welsh. Strange people.
When I was a small child in the 1950's we were taught a French song in school, Sur le Pont d'Avignon, and sixty years later I can still remember it. I don't think there is anything wrong with teaching children a song from Lithuania but I too would be an unhappy parent if this extended to teaching my child the language itself.
This is so ridiculous! Languages are everything these days and the more languages you know and might learn will actually benefit you in future life! I know myself I would love my children to be surrounded by different languages and picking up worlds when they are young, because that would help them in the future. The younger u are the quicker u learn things and singing a song in a different language when in fact they are made sure to understand the meaning of it - big deal! Get over yourselves! When foreign nationals come to UK they have to learn English because that was their choice to move to UK for better life not just for them, but their families and having your child remember some of your culture and where you came from by singing a song is supposed to bring joy and be proud of who you are and where you came from! I am sure that if these mothers moved to France, Germany or some other non English spoken language they would be more than happy if other kids sang a song in English
Great idea to promote integration, we need more of it. - Tomskj40, London, United Kingdom, 11/7/2013 7:45 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. So who needs to integrate with whom? Just wondering.
So what, I was taught frere jaques, frere jaques, dormez vous, dormez vous etc when I was at school. Get over it.
"They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language let alone goodness knows what else" If your kid is still having trouble speaking English at 8 then frankly you've failed as a parent. Why on earth would you want just the Lithuanian kids singing Lithuanian songs and the Polish kids singing Polish songs? Should you want them to sing all the songs, including the English ones? Kids pick up languages phenomenally quickly - why on earth would you want to isolate them from learning other languages? Sounds to me like just one grumpy woman looking for her 15 minutes of fame.
if we leave the EU then all the Europeans living here will have to leave or apply for a working permit and they will not be allowed to receive any of our abundant benefits, so reducing the population and benefit payments, so I have to try this, WE have to try and achieve this goal, and the only party that will do this is UKIP, so please try and help ourselves by trying something new & hopefully helping us get the GREAT back into Britain, Labour & Conservative won,t so VOTE UKIP.
We sang some hymns in Latin at my school 40 years ago. I don't remember it being a major issue for debate. - Francis McGonigal , Birmingham, United Kingdom, 11/7/2013 08:01 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. That was a remarkably different time and situation, with no hidden agenda or any ulterior motive wasn't it? There is no comparison.
I'll bet these are the kind of people who holiday in Spain, but go to the hotels that serve English beer and fish and chips, and speak loudly and s-l-o-w-l-y in English to the staff rather than speak the language of the host nation. There's nothing wrong with learning new languages, and maybe if we take the effort to understand other peoples' languages and customs, we'll be- you know- less likely to make idiotic knee-jerk reactions.
Thanks to the EU, we are inundated with Europeans from what, 27 different nations? Should kids be expected to learn all of their languages? As well as that we have people from other countries such as China, Japan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Somalia, NIgeria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc. Should English kids at school have to learn to speak ALL their languages too? Isn't that asking a bit much of them? Or rather should the immigrants learn English? At the moment we are told there are a l00 different languages being spoken in some areas. Everyone wants to come to the UK. Not everyone in the UK wants to lose their culture and identity catering from the whole world. Simples. In any case, most of these immigrants still have countries where there isn't any immigration, so the problem is ours, not theirs. Yes? No?
When I was at school we were taught to sing 'O Come all ye Faithfull' in latin. I do not remember any 'outraged' parental complaints.
I feel sort for the kids.this is just another sign that this country is OVER......
I don't see a problem for the children to learn a song in a new language. Surely it can only be of benefit in the long term especially seeing as the uk does has many different nationalities living here. I think the parents should chill out! Kids are fast learners and 8 is a teachable age.
Just wait until they until they cover Eid and Urdu yet abandon Christmas. The blood boils.
We sang some hymns in Latin at my school 40 years ago. I don't remember it being a major issue for debate.
Our school choir has just appeared in a musical called Zimbe. They had to learn songs in Zulu, Swahili, Xhosa and Akan. A fantastic experience and they all loved it! - - - - - - The kids in this article are learning their song for a music festival - goodness me, whats wrong with that!!
Goodness, there's more to the world than just the UK. And these kids may grow up and choose to travel to Europe, so what's wrong with learning a song in a different language? Far more interesting than my boring education where we sang the same old hymns every blessed week, year in, year out.
It's all very well singing foreign songs but nothing has been said about the foreign children learning an English song - integration has to be a two way street.
Great idea to promote integration, we need more of it.
Oh get a grip! Do you think the Lithuanians mind you singing Xmas carols? Same difference. - Hope, London, 10/7/2013 17:23 I doubt that the Lithuanians would mind the British singing Chrismas Carols as they are Christian. Lithuania is a Catholic country.
Its OK to spend some time learning songs from another culture, what is not OK is when government refuses to fund the extra resource needed to make sure that native English students are not held back because the schools have to spend more of their limited resources on the additional needs of non-English speaking Children
- youdontknowme , belfast ''... if you tried to teach the children in other counties to sing english songs in english , you may find yourself minus your head, at the very least you would be asked to leave the country.''. You are a windup? Ever been abroad
What is the matter with these silly people? It is no problem at all for an eight-year old to sing in another language - indeed the best time to learn a language is up to the age of 11 after which it becomes more difficult.
I suspect the point is not about learning foreign languages, but the fact there are so many immigrants.
I learn other langaue at school,like Spanish ,French, etc so wots the problem britian is a rasict place
We have no say in what our children learn at school, we are being told that our children are leaving school not being able to read or write properly and not equipped to get a job, but don't worry they will need to be able to speak Latvian, Lithuania, and polish to be be able to work in this country anyway so stop moaning and leave them to it, English will soon not be taught or spoken in this country soon.
I'm fed up of people trying to use the racist card whenever someone makes a comment about the immigrants living in this country. Perhaps if we werent so afraid of being prosecuted for having a view, we might not be in the mess we are today with lack of jobs, housing and health service !.
If what is being reported here is accurate, these parents are being small minded and bigoted... British kids have sung foreign songs for donkey's years... Frère Jacques ring any bells? This is an inclusion event that will get the kids to mesh and understand the world better, as well as making the foreign students feel more welcomed and accepted... with a bit of luck, and more teaching like this, the kids won't grow up as bitter as their parents seem to be.
So long as the Lithuanian kids sing in English, no problem.
I guess that is what the left has been after all along, integration with the migrant community.
What ignorant parents. I remember singing Frere Jacques as a small child in school. Can I sue for damages? No, wait, I went on to study French, German, Spanish, Japanese and Italian, so maybe not. eh?
Nothing wrong with that but I do remember my own classmates irreverently modifying the words to the French song Frere Jacques so that 'Sonnez les matines' became 'Semolina Tina.'
OMG you people are so ignorant! You complain about the Yanks but you are worst. They are teaching a child to sing in another language not requiring them to speak it all day long. Your 8 year old 'is struggling to learn to speak English? Any child born of English speaking parents should be speaking English at that age and if he isn't he is one dumb kid. I totally agree that if you immigrate to an English speaking country you should learn to speak English however, what is wrong with you people learning some other language, culture, traditions. I have always said when you come to Canada (or the UK or the USA) bring with you all that is best of your culture, traditions, arts, food but leave behind your quarrels, prejudices, vendettas and assimilate into OUR country. We want to learn about you but you have to be one of us.
pity kedge cant even type in english!
I learnt frere Jacques nd other French songs at school................I loved learning about another culture/coumtry, dont have such a closed mind...........help your children to expand their minds. Remember ..knowledge is power
They go to far some of these comments saying that the parents shouldn't be complaining my god they are only 8 yrs old pet them learn English first then when they are big school they can take on language skills England and Europe is going to be all speaking Balkan languages in the schools and Albania and Bulgaria must be empty as they are all here
As a child I was taught a French song; Frere Jaque and it didn't do me any harm. On a more important note though, there are some communities throughout Britain that are swamped by immigrants, doubling the population of some of them. This is immigration out of control.
That's great, children learn so easily when they are young. How can it harm them?
I would hope they translate those lyrics so the kids know what they're actually singing - otherwise it will just seem so much gibberish. It's probably enough of a challenge for them just to have to keep a straight face when asked to name their school - especially when they get a bit older.
What crybabies some parents are. Mandarin Chinese and French were compulsory when I was in primary school... And we learned basic French and Chinese phrases and we had this day called Cultural Day where we would celebrate French and Chinese culture. There is nothing wrong with learning other languages at all, and to the woman who says her kids are struggling in English - I suggest her kids get off the computer and read a book. What crybabies some parents are, ready to blame multiculturalism for everything.
I can however see why people find it a bad idea as, of course... This is England and if they want to be here they should learn our language... I just try to keep an open mind because I'm not able to change or control anything.
When I was in primary school which was many, many years ago, all the pupils were taught a polish Christmas carol. My teacher- probably the best in the school and definitely one of the best teachers I've ever had was Polish. She had lived in England most of her life and spoke full English with an English accent taught us about the polish ways of how they celebrated Christmas etc and it was in fact, very interesting... There was no 'foreign' people in the school and at the time that was the norm, so to speak, so to learn something about a different culture, was actually really good. Times now however have changed and these are what we are all going to have to get used to now that there are a lot of people moving to England for a better life. I think teaching children other songs in different languages is a good idea, but maybe teach an English version or even just translate it so that they are learning other languages as well?
You never know what the future holds so it doesn't hurt for someone to learn few foreign words n different culture..... You don't have to adopt it!!
I was taught Frere Jaques in nursery and Sur Le Pont D'avingnon at school, there weren't any French people there at the time. ( The meanings were explained) Seriously I hate the English speaking countries attitude to other Languages. I would LOVE to be able to speak another language, but leaving it till secondary school is too late. The parents should be happy they are doing something a bit different. Everyone else HAS to learn English though, and lucky them I say they can then speak at least 2 languages,would have loved the chance. Songs are a great way to introduce another language.
When my daughter was at school some years ago,there were plans to introduce Urdo to the curriculum.As soon as some parents started complaining it was dropped.It's not up to us to learn immigrants languages,but,for them to learn English and our customs.
A lot of the local Landlords in that town have no problem with taking rent money off migrant workers, and the local shops have no problem selling stuff to them either, but ask the locals to show a little polite behavior towards the chilldren of these workers and its suddenly grounds for a petition. As for migrants taking jobs, they didn't take them, they were given them, by local employers who clearly did not want locals working for them, so think on wisbech.
We had NO immigrant families at our school some 35 years ago, but we learnt folk songs in French, Russian, German and African and sung several Latin hymns. If children really are getting upset over singing in a language they don't understand, perhaps the parents should be educated on how to bring up well rounded, confident children who are not bigots!
oh lighten up people!!! Its a song.
Virtually every child in the uk lives Dora the explorer who also teaches kids Spanish you don't here them complaining about that! How ignorant is this nation to think that learning 1sing in another language is wrong! I was forced to do French in school for 5 years solid as many children are today what's the difference aside from the fact that many britains are resentful against Eastern European so have chosen to take issue with a song how ridiculous!
What's wrong with learning songs in a different language? When I was in school we learned songs in Spanish French Irish and German? We all loved it! If the children really were upset its probably because their narrow minded parents have rubbed off on them!
Diversity - yes. Tolerance - yes. But we want immigrants to respect they've immigrated to another country and to respect OUR culture, language and values. Not to ignore them and build separate communities. Never labour again.
I have been a minority for the past 36 years (Japan 10 years, Bali 2 years and now Thailand 24 years) and I would never dream of trying to impose my views on the local populations, they probably wouldn't stand for it either. I thank my lucky stars at having left England all those years ago and have fitted in with the locals in whichever country I have lived in at the time. Minorities have to understand that having once made the decision to live in a country, other than their own, that they must adapt and confirm. It's not so difficult if you love your adopted country!
Nobody has said that these immigrant children or their families have refused to learn English, so all those saying 'learn English or go', that's all very well but this isn't the case on this story, this is about narrow minded parents not wanting their children to learn foriegn songs at an INTERNATIONAL MUSIC FESTIVAL! How idiotic is it to allow your child to attend such an event and expect them to only sing in English? How exactly are a couple of children's songs in another language 'taking over the school'? Pathetic and immature behaviour by two attention seekers who are delighted enough to be pictured!
The kids should have had the right to choose. Anyone coming to this country should have to learn the language same if we go to another country.
Is this any different from the song "Frère Jacques" that we sang in my primary school? No and I bet the kids will enjoy singing it?
British expats who move to places like Spain tend to stick together in communities, eat at English pubs that are specifically opened for them and often make no effort to learn the language or adapt to Spanish etc culture. Not everybody is like this but we all know it's true. Yet when some migrants come here, who I might add are often just the same, we go into an uproar. Pretty ridiculous that people are angry that their kids are being taught a song in another language. It's hardly going to harm them, since hardly any kids in this country even attempt to learn another language. We are no better than the immigrants and we are no better at adapting to different cultures than immigrants. This article proves it.
disgrace
Ah, Wisbech that bastion of sanity. Lithuanian is a wonderful language to learn, they should think themselves lucky!
The the comments on this article make depressing reading. The kids learnt a song in another language to sing at a music festival. Why is this an issue? Are the parents so insecure that they deny their children exposure to other cultures? Or is this just made up nonsense intended to provoke the Ukip voting, fascist light, lowest common denominators?
When you move to a new country you do as that country does. You live in that society, follow its rules and speak the language. If you can't do that you may as well stay in your home country. That also means that Brits moving to France, Spain or Greece should do the same. My family left the UK in 2004 and we have totally embraced our adopted country and way of life. So yes I do practice what I preach!
OK I can grasp the international singing festival but why didn't the school choose to sing the songs in the least spoken languages in the school and have all the children learn something different? what did the Polish & Lithuanian children gain from this? Easy teaching maybe?
What has happened to so called 'grown ups' these days? My sister and I learned the French Nursery Melody 'Frere Jacques' when we were at junior school in Leeds. We learned the words, sang the song and enjoyed it.. Grow Up. - MrGymJunky, York England, 10/07/2013 16:03 Half your class weren't French though were they? Completely different. Learning about other cultures is educational, being swamped by them is terrifying.
What .... Disgrace !
So why didn't the school bother to provide a translation of the songs into English for the pupils and parents? Seems at best very lax that they did not.
'Children were in tears as they didn't understand the song ', because some one tells them there is one language English !! Will they also cry in their German and French classes I wonder!
No doubt this head teacher loves the EU, votes Lib Dem and supports wind farms.
Ignorant parents! So the children did not understand the lyrics - neither did we when we first heard Frere Jaques. (another foreign song).........until someone taught us the meaning. No one is suggesting that they be taught other lessons in Lithuanian. Learning songs in different languages is interesting and expands the children's knowledge painlessly and enjoyably.
Just tell your kids to ignore it and tell the teachers. If it was my child i would be annoyed as well. They are british and want to remain British and they wont be made to learn some thing that they dont agree with.The quicker we are out of this European union the better for our kids.
Oh, good grief. Back in 1970 we were taught to sing 'Frere Jacques' without anyone going home in "floods of tears" and there wasn't a solitary French kid in the school nor were we actually being taught French at age six.
I wonder of the Polish and Lithuanian parents have been asked their opinion by the school. Because having several Polish friends I know that they are keen for heir children to learn to speak English and to become part of our culture. This is a very patronising attitude by a silly PC Head who feels she knows=best.
We should been teaching the migrants more about English culture as it is the country they want to live in !!!
Well done ladies!! Why should our kids have this forced upon them - Kaygrogan1, Birmingham, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:22 So do we then force Maths and English on them? You go to school to LEARN! The world is a lot smaller these days and I would hazard a guess the being multi-lingual will put you top of the pile if you want to work for any international corporation. We moan that young people cannot find work. We moan when teachers try to teach something diverse to help them in the future. Outrage at children being taught at school - you really couldn't make this up! One world - Multiculturalism!
This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil. - sas604 , jalon spain, 10/7/2013 18:10____________Oh, it's terrible, immigrants swanning into other countries and just expecting acceptance. By the way, how's life in Spain?
I've heard it all now!!!
I think in this case it's ok to sing a song from another culture...it's not like it's every day assembly. if kids were giving up 'morning has broken' and 'all things bright & beautiful' for foreign songs that'd be very different. anyway, pic 1 tells you all you need to know.
I don't see the problem when I was younger I had to learn a song in Spanish just because!! People are talking about pc when this has nothing to do with that it's a SONG IN POLISH not lessons being taught in polish get over it
Britain is very nearly dead.
Good grief what is the problem? I was taught "Frère Jacques" in junior school and sang Silent Night in German, we loved leaning these songs! What is wrong with these parents??????
If they were taught the song in normal circumstances it would lead us to question whether our culture in a way is being taken over and disregarded in our own land. But it's an international music theme?! If it was all british that's not very international is it
There is nothing wrong with learning the beauty of other languages and about other cultures. The problem is when knee-jerk multi-culturalism has the effect of messing up a child's appreciation of their own culture, simply by taking up so much time and because the children's opportunity to express themselves with their own and their parents and ancesters' culture is taken away. The festival is a cultural expression after all and mixing all the cultures up this way so they just become so much flim-flam and white noise just produces the kind of ignorance about other countries we see in the American system. I wouldn't get too hot under the collar about it except to say that schools should listen to the parents more before they engage in these experiments.
What's the prime ministers view on this? I find it disgraceful !! This country is ruined......
when I was in primary school in the early 90s, we learnt a song in French. No-one battered an eyelid. I don't get the issue at all.
i don't see what the problem is here. it's an INTERNATIONAL singing festival so what the hell were they expecting?!!!
How many English people learn another language when visiting other countries I wonder?
I had to learn a song in Welsh at primary school (in Devon, nowhere near Wales!) and I'm still proud to remember most of it now, as these kids should too at 30.
Learning foreign languages is culture...
The point is being missed somewhat here. When all these people learnt frere Jaques, as I did years ago, the school would not have consisted of one third French children who needed extra support and help, and were using manpower and financial resources put in place and paid for by the parents of the local English children. I would guess the issue has little to do with the song, which has become a symbol of the parent's disquiet at the unfairness of having to accommodate I adequately funded foreign nationals in the school and in the wider environment. These parents are afraid, and their concerns should be acknowledged and dealt within the same vein as the requirements of the Latvians, or whoever it happens to be at the time.
When I was a child we were taught that song in french about pulling a bird apart or something and none of us had any clue what it mean yet that was fine?! Desperate housewives with nothing better to do than complain!!
Oh no... Not kids being taught something cultural and exciting then?! In a world like the one we live in today it is perfectly normal for children to learn songs in other languages, especially if a lot of the children at the school are in fact lithuanian?! They wouldn't complain at their child being taught french I bet... Sounds a little controversial to me!!
Oh for God's sake, I'm glad the school isn't bowing to this kind of bullying. What kind of homes are they providing for their children? They are hardly bringing them up to be broad-minded are they? When I was at school we sang songs like Frere Jacques and nothing sinister happens to us at all. I had and have no idea what the words mean, it was just fun to sing them. Integration doesn't mean that another culture has to take the place of another. Why shouldn't children learn about other people - maybe these children would have a better chance of actually achieving something with their lives - something their parents obviously haven't.
This is the sort of thing that upsets people, if you immigrate to another country it is up to you adapt to they ways and their language, you can't expect the whole country to change its ways to suit you. Yes let them learn the words to this song but in English.
Claire, a woman of your age with a child in primary school, you would think that you would have an open mind and be welcoming of your child learning another language as you know it opens up more oppportunities for them.
Why complain ? we have gave our country away
What is wrong with our children learning a foreign language? It is an international music festival after all. Wasn't Silent Night originally a German hymn?
We were taught a Maury songs at school that was 1976 we loved it and didnt have a clue what it meant still know it now!! Get a grip.
I'm 38. When I was 10, we learnt Silent Night in German and French for the nativity play. I remember thinking it was cool, and I still remember the German lyrics. It's nothing new.
I was taught 'Sur le Pont d'Avignon' and 'Frere Jacques' in primary school many years ago.
Like so many on here I was taught frere Jacques, and songs in welsh though I dont know what language ging gang gooley is from.
It is very much part of the EU agenda to undermine the cultural identities of nation states to make them more easy to control from Brussels. Removal of the borders and free for all immigration within the EU is the result with increasingly dire consequences for communities facing a loss of their traditional identity. We should reject the authority of the EU before it is too late.
I'm sorry, what? These parents are nuts. We sang songs in Maori, Japanese, French and German, and probably more when I was in primary school; and it was fun. I very much doubt kids would be crying over it unless they were crying at their parents reaction to it.
This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil. - sas604 , jalon spain, 10/7/2013 18:10------------------------ Oh for God's sake, we learned 'Frere Jacques' (or freh- ra-jah-ka as we though it was) at my Cumbrian primary school thirty years ago -it didn't mean we were being ruled by the French! Stop making everything into such a drama.
This is England, they should be singing songs in English.
I just don't understand what the problem is - I wish my school was more open about learning other languages when I was growing up. Glad only a small number of families are whining though.
Oh what rubbish. It's an International singing festival.. they are not being forced to speak or sing in Lithuanian every day.
What is wrong with that?! When I was in school I was part of the choir and we learnt lots of songs in different languages including putting on a concert singing African songs. Perhaps it should be with our children we teach them about different cultures so we don't have another generation of horrible nasty people who think its cool to be a racist?
Strange that frere jacques has never caused a problem
How narrow minded these parents are. My grandaughter who is now 9 is the only English speaking child in her class in France, she speaks fluent French and English and is in fact at the top of her class. she has had no problems learning another language in Primary School. Her class sang a song in English at the end of term concert and involved her in helping the children. Everywhere we go here parents want her to speak English to their children so that they can broaden their minds. Prior to coming here, because her Dad was in the military she started her education in Nepal and Brunei (where she was born). She had lessons then in English and Nepali including Nepali script. Give your children a chance to broaden their minds and stop being so narrow minded learning to understand other cultures is the way to better understanding in the world.
How narrow minded these parents are. My grandaughter who is now 9 is the only English speaking child in her class in France, she speaks fluent French and English and is in fact at the top of her class. she has had no problems learning another language in Primary School. Her class sang a song in English at the end of term concert and involved her in helping the children. Everywhere we go here parents want her to speak English to their children so that they can broaden their minds. Prior to coming here, because her Dad was in the military she started her education in Nepal and Brunei (where she was born). She had lessons then in English and Nepali including Nepali script. Give your children a chance to broaden their minds and stop being so narrow minded learning to understand other cultures is the way to better understanding in the world.
How narrow minded these parents are. My grandaughter who is now 9 is the only English speaking child in her class in France, she speaks fluent French and English and is in fact at the top of her class. she has had no problems learning another language in Primary School. Her class sang a song in English at the end of term concert and involved her in helping the children. Everywhere we go here parents want her to speak English to their children so that they can broaden their minds. Prior to coming here, because her Dad was in the military she started her education in Nepal and Brunei (where she was born). She had lessons then in English and Nepali including Nepali script. Give your children a chance to broaden their minds and stop being so narrow minded learning to understand other cultures is the way to better understanding in the world.
These parents need to calm down and stop making a mountain out of a mole hill. This story has blown the situation out of proportion. It is just a music festival they are not making the children learn other languages to speak in permanently. We had to sign a sing in French at school but our parents didn't protest or make a scene. The parents are obviously uneducated and see this is an excuse to have a moan as they have not better to do with their time.
I'm assuming none of these patents were taught 'frere jacque' when they were at school?! My 8 year old son was taught an African song at school & his whole class performed it. He thought it was awesome & was that proud of himself for learning it he sang it to everyone he met for weeks!! Why would these kids be upset over learning different languages?? They're talking nonsense, it's just an excuse for small minded people to kick up a fuss over nothing! Get a life!
Total waste of everyone's time. Teach all the kids a language that will be useful.
I think the root of what these parents are scared of is their children becoming second place to immigrants.- kaz, Bristol, - -think you are already too late. - -this country is finished - deliberately by a certain tiny the traytor bliar
I remember as a very young child at school singing "Sur le Pont d'Avignon" No fuss then !
Are the teachers at this school barking mad? Surely the boot should be on the other foot!
Parents have too much power! That's what narrows education!
What's wrong with an English song festival. Oh yes I just realised, it's got English in it.
I think that's cool! Learning different languages is never a bad thing
This wouldnt happen here in wales, they would all have to learn welsh end of....
I doubt the children were "in tears" that they didn't know the words to a song. Even if the teachers overlooked giving them a sheet with the translation in English so they knew what they were singing you would think if they cared that much at least one would raise their hand to say. International festival, clues in the name folks! Mountain out of blatant molehill.
Since leaving skool with no foreign languages, I've made myself useful in French, German and pidgin-Russian. Several times, these skills have given me the edge over my workmates.
What ever happened to the songs like "I do like to be beside the seasisde" or "hot cross buns" our culture is dying out. I remember doing a nativity play in infant school it was so magical, got to juinior school we had to do Snow white and the seventh dwarfs not to offend other ethnic minorities. But then the name snow white was changed to the princess, the dwarfs were changed to the tiny men, and the names of the dwarfs were changed not to offend anyone. It's all pathetic these days.
Simple take child out of school.
"I believe Britain today is like many other countries, it is multicultural (unlike the US which is mosaic). Multiculturalism embraces the idea that no one culture is paramount, all are equal and all deserve the same respect. Sorry if that comes as a shock to some, but that is the way it is, for good or bad." - lyn edmunds, ingleside. Couldn't have said it better myself.
England doesn't exist anymore - I'm not sure any political party will help to get our country back - we need to speak up like the French do!
The number of complaints about children singing in foreign languages is sad. The songs the children were taught had been translated in English, so the children would understand what they are singing. The event is an international signing festival hosted by the school. Learning a foreign language is a good thing. The children won't be expected to speak fluently from the songs they have learned. #culturalawareness
People who say we are in England and only our native tongue should be taught need to get a life! Have you no culture!! Don't you want our children to be brought up understanding the world around us!! Oh and as said before you also have short memories. We were all taught frere jacques as school and no one was up in arms about that!!!?
We were taught frere jaques at school and there wasn't any uproar. How about the parents help the kids instead of petitioning against an international music festival?!?
Learning a new language - what's wrong with that we don't have very good language skills as it is so this is a step in the right direction for the next generation
"i'm not being racist, but......" usually means yes, you ARE being racist. would these parents be kicking up such a fuss if the songs were in French I wonder?
If that was my daughter's school, i wouldn't take her!!
all these folks whining about "well we learned frere Jaques it never done us no harm" The scenario today is totally different, & if you had half a brain you would see it. Frere Jacque is a silly French song designed to get kids singing in a round. When you was at school, you werent forced against your parents better judgement to share a class room with 1/3 of the kids being French, & the whole school ethos increasingly turned over to French concerns because those 1/3 of French kids were unwilling or unable to speak English. There wasnt a sudden & massive unregulated influx of French people demanding jobs, housing & health/education services. All this excercise is trying to acheive is the social normalisation of an internationalist agenda, you need look no further than ("We"?) are all very excited to hold this event, which has been made possible by a grant from the Cambridge Culture Project Funding, for which we had managed to secure the funds" I'd bet it is eu funded.....
I think the teachers should stick with "cauliflowers fluffy and cabbages green" type songs
I agree - its OUR country!!!! Learn our language and stop trying to inflict yours on us.
Get over it you narrow minded people. When I was at school 40 + years ago we read a book called Tintin - a French book and we learned a song called "Frère Jacques" - also French. Our parents never complained. The problem nowadays is people will complain just to get themselves into the limelight - it's pathetic !
If it's an international singing festival, surely Lithuania and Poland will be represented by - LITHUANIA and POLAND.
I learned 'Frere Jacques' at play school. Didn't understand it then. Was that 'wrong' too? No. We live in a multicultural society. Learning other cultures doesn't diminish our own, it respects others.
"Erm are we not in england? if we have moved when? cos i must of been a sleep for years - boycott channel 4, anyone but andy, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:30"- You must have been asleep in English class. Perhaps you should learn the language before complaining about the issues of English verses international languages.
If we allow this subtle erosion of English and culture we are opening the door even wider...
That woman is 48?! No way!
In England we live the English way of life, we do not introduce another countries way of life into our culture and especially our schools. It is time we got our identity back once and for all. This is England and not anything else.
These parents need to broaden their horizons.
Oh forgot, we are British. We are so superior, that we will refuse any opportunity to learn another language, in case we are contaminated by foreigners and their languages, and God forbid their thought! Are we weak or scared?
'It's happening all the time - at Christmas a nearby infants' school had their nativity play in a foreign language' Unless the nativity was done in Hebrew I think you'll find most nativities are being done in a "foreign" language.
'''They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language....'' - says it all about the quality of parenting...
It was ONE song for heavens sake. They would probably get upset if the kids sang "Frere Jacques". That's a French song by the way for the benefit of the simple minded here today. It has been sung in British schools for almost a century.
In European countries, they learn their own language and english by eight, won't do them any harm will it
- Pandora , Shrewsbury, United Kingdom. No, because by the time something is taught completely in a different language it's too late to do anything about it. If they fight against it now, there's a chance to have it stopped. Yet again, we can thank Tony B
All that's wrong with this country. If the teachers had been any good they would have, with the help of the polish children, translated the songs and done a bit of research first. Nothing annoys me more than parents today. If it were me I'd carefully explain that people are different and different people have different languages, or i'd go on the Internet myself to translate, people have no brains.
This country is ENGLAND. The language spoken here is ENGLISH and the religion is CHRISTIAN. .......... Immigrants to OUR country should be fitting-in with OUR culture - it should NOT be the other way around!! ........
And yet, there are right now thousands of schools around the world in non-english speaking country where children are singing in english and they do not understand the words. I kind of understand the horrified parents, but maybe someone should explain to them and de-dramatize that lithuania (and its language) are part of the European Union and we are all a big family , in a way.
Im not English or British but I do strongly agree with those who wrote that children should first learn English and then if they like to learn other language they choose,they can! But first English and doesn't matter if the majority of the kids are from Lithuania or born to Lithuania 's parents!!!!
I take it the parents would also have a problem with 'frere jacques' too ? You know , being forrin and all ? It's a song . Just a song . So what ? When I was a kid I learnt songs in French , Russian and Hindi . It's not like all the lessons are being taught in Polish is it ?
It's an international music festival - the clue's in the title!!
I learnt French songs at school, & presumably the overseas kids sing the English sings so where's the problem?
That's wisbech primary school for you!
I no the type... Go Spain and complain coz everyone speaks Spanish and everything's in Spanish!!
If the child wants to do it, great. If not, tell the school they will not be taking part.
Remember it's England, or was until Labour ruined it.
Let's get some perspective. The kids are learning a song in another language for an international film festival. It's probably a one off event, or at most a once a year event. Get a grip guys. I even had to learn a French song back in New Zealand - oh dear, how terrible. I wonder, if there wasn't a migrant problem, and the school had a music fair, would this be an issue? Probably not. Nice one parents, great way to teach your kids about how to treat those from different backgrounds. Now, if they were changing the curriculum, and lessons had to be taught in other languages, that would be crazy.
big deal. I remember being taught 'jingle bells' in German.
I know one song in french since my gcse times,- and i have no idea what it means.... why kids today are so lazy??
With 11 official languages in South Africa, we were singing songs in all kinds of languages. I wish I was exposed to more foreign languages when I was at school. It is so interesting. Especially some European languages. Being exposed to languages other than your native tongue, broadens your mind. It is a good learning experience and they should see it as that.
my sister moved to Russia and her daughter is learning songs in russian, spanish, english and next year will study japanese.... whats wrong with that???
You know what you have to do at the next election, people. - Headofthehousehold, Does that mean UKIP will prohibit the teaching of ANY foreign language in schools? What about foreign words -- isn't that going to be a bit difficult? For a start they wont be able to learn many colour names -- mauve, blue, orange, violet etc !!!!
What has show Racism the Red Card got to do with this,if my kids came home trying to sing a lithuanian song they didn't now i would be right up to the school. I recon its part of this european union c**p GOD HELP US ALL
Oh dry ur eyes its good for kids to learn new languages!!
What's wrong with learning a little of another language, its not like they're going to converse in fluent Lithuanian for the rest of their lives.
I think people are missing the point here.Our children should be taught other languages in order for them to be understood when they travel the globe,not in order to converse in their own bloody country.
If they were singing in Lithuanian at the school assembly or in the choir I would completely understand their grievance.. But at an INTERNATIONAL music festival surely singing only English songs would defeat the point...?
I think it's great that the children are being exposed to other languages at this age. The more language sounds a child hears at an early age, the easier it is for that child to learn ANY foreign language later in life. The school is doing these children a favor, and the parents need to understand that. In addition, as someone else stated, it's an international music festival. Lastly, many children learn songs in other languages and have done so for many years. I remember Freres Jacques, when I was four. And, of course, at my school we learned Latin starting from the first grade. That's been helpful through the years (not crucial, but helpful). And yes, I now speak five languages well, and a couple of others ok, but not great. Give your child a boost in this highly competitive world, and encourage him/her to learn another language. It can't hurt!
Sad and narrow minded parents with so little vision. I feel sorry for their kids that instead of embracing new cultures and even new languages, are held back by those that suppose to give a good example!
surely the lithuanians should be learning our songs and mingling with us they want to be part of our society i would not my children learning this when they should be learning how to read and write as this seems what employers are saying they do not have the ability to do properly
Since when was learning one song "taking over the school"? Get a grip. You can't escape multiculturalism and multinationalism in the 21st century.
I can only imagine My 7 year old son would be very proud of himself if he could sing a song in Lithuanian.
I hate this country now, close the border !!
What kind of lesson are these parents teaching their children about accepting others?
Get used to it, soon you'll be in the minority and have to learn other languages just to get by
So Ms (Mrs) Eve isn't heavily into multicultural activities or expanding her childrens knowledge then DM?
These parents do realise that once their kids are in secondary school they will have to learn a second language since it's compulsory. What will they do then
This may not be a popular opinion but wouldn't it actually benefit our children to be bilingual? I know three languages but I'm British. It doesn't change who and what we are.
Im all for giving people a new life but LEARN THE LANGUAGE
I don't remember coming home from school in floods of tears because we were taught to sing Frère Jacques. What a load of tripe.
I would agree with theses parents. When in Rome........ - James Surrey, Surrey, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 18:07 ---------------------- When in Rome ...... learn how to spell 'these'.
Oh for pity sake these parents need to get over themselves. Try joining in , you may even enjoy it .
When I was in the choir at primary school I had to learn songs in German, not because there were Germans in my school but to learn a new language. I imagine the kids were taught how to pronounce all words so all the had to do was copy the words not 'learn' them (as in the translations). Red arrow as much as you like :)
The top green arrowed comments are so heartening to read for once. Well done everyone.
" This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil."- sas604, jalon spain, 10/7/2013 18:10----- So I gather that you are one of these ex-pats who is quite happy to live in Spain, but not to learn anything about the Spanish language or culture. Talk about pots and kettles!!!
Clare eve stand your ground and continue fighting this, there is nothing to be ashamed about been British and defending your culture
Oh for heaven's sake! We learned a French carol at junior school way before we did French classes. I loved singing it and can still remember all the words too. There is nothing wrong with learning bits of foreign languages at this age, the brain of an eight year old is like a sponge and they can take far more than modern educational methods can throw at them. Upset my eye! The kids are only reacting to their parents. Show some class and let your kids experience something beyond your narrow horizons.
A slight overreaction by these silly parents. I find it hard to believe that children were in tears over this matter. Learning a bit about other languages and cultures is a good thing, as long as it is in proportion to retaining their English culture and identity.
We did 'africa' as a theme one term, in the 90's, to greet the african head of our 'twinned' school, learnt an african song, didnt have a clue what we were saying, learnt it off by heart, sang it, we didn't cry, it didn't affect out mother tongues, we all had a laugh. Jeeez!!
Maybe people don't want to learn Polish or Lithuainian but would like to learn French and German maybe even Italian or not but instead it should be their choice..They don't need arrogant I'm all right Jacks telling them what they should or shouldn't like or put up with. I am now a minority in my city, I don't really have a problem with individuals, but when certain groups are more vocal and take over local services I do have a complaint then. What seems to have been forgotten is that in the past decade the sheer influx of immigrants from the EU and elsewhere were neither planned nor catered for by our politicians and the local communities were not consulted as to where they would go. Wisbech is a small market town with a large immigrant population foisted on them very recently. To the point it has changed the atmosphere of the community.
How can the people on here compare a French song with a Polish one. The French language is quite useful and the country a nice place to visit. No one talks Polish apart from Poland and next to no one want's to live or visit the place so learning the language is utterly pointless. And if you insist on living in other people's country have the decency and respect to integrate.
when i was at school we were taught frere Jacques. what's the difference?
but it's okay to learn Frere Jacques? For instance. I don't seem the problem to be honest. Learning different languages is fantastic for future opportunities. As long as they don't crush the current language and culture in Britain.
It's an international music festival. it wouldn't be a very good one one if they didn't sing any international songs...
would they have complained if the songs were in french, german or spanish? Me thinks not. By the way, it's not like the school is forcing the kids to learn Polish or Lithuanian all academic year, it's for one event. Get over yourselves.
I support the parents..This is Great Britain, not the United Nations.
At the last count there where 100,000 immigrants in this country who can't speak a word of English, many who have lived here for many years, get them to learn English and leave the kids alone.
What is wrong with learning a little bit of other people's culture? I went to school in the 50's and 60's and we learned songs and poetry in other languages on occasion, it is not like they are being forced to be schooled in a foreign language...it is one song.
If I had children I would be pleased they learn other cultures and languages. Learning about other countries and the world in general broadens their horizons. They will grow up with the Lithuanian children and more and likely become long term friends into the teenage years and they can speak both languages. This mother is silly and very narrow minded and she is influencing her children to be the same.
Would they object it their children were taught a song is french, german or old english? No. I do however agree by the way that they speak I think that they should concentrate first on learning how to speak english correctly before they even attempt another language.
We learned Silent Night in German and no children cried or pretended not to know why we were doing it. I suspect a single tantrumming child is to blame for all this.
Hmmm signed by a grand total of 23 other rather uneducated parents. She looks (And sounds) like a wonderful role model to me.......NOT!
Just withdraw your child from the concert, non-christians have been withdrawing there children from christian services for years.
If it's just a once a year thing, what is the big deal? I think it's a good thing to learn other languages, but I think it should be a language that would be more useful like German, Mandarin, Spanish, etc. Personally, I think children should be taught to speak/read a foreign language early, because being bilingual will be very useful in their future careers--as long as immigrant children are taught to speak and read English. There is a difference between catering to immigrants and benefitting yourself. Catering to immigrants would replace English with a foreign language. Self-edification would be learning another language alongside English.
I think it sounds like a nice idea, will probably help the foreign children settle and mingle with their new English class mates and it's a bit of culture. Which the kids have probably never had.
Could read fluently at 8. If your kids cant its obvious you dont buy books. Ho pe have mastered writin their name. Need that to sign on
the parents have nothing better to do? When i was a child in the 80's my school always did this, we drew lots and that decided what country you were so at the event you dresses in that nations costumes. We learned songs in many different languages we also learned the translation. Doing this in school was some of the best times, help to open my eyes to the wide world around me. To learn about England, China, Africa, India, Mexico, Russia and many many more was just wonderful. its not about immigrants taking over, its about leaning you are not the only culture in the world
Get a grip.The only problem here is that the children didn't receive a translation.Did you never sing Frere Jaques?
The point here for people citing Fere Jaques, is that when we learned the French ditty at school, the class was not filled with French speaking children! The Latvian song is, no doubt, a step too far for the parents of British children outnumbered in the class by children from another a Nation. - Susan, Birmingham, United Kingdom, 10/07/2013 16:34 Okkkkkay...so it's alright to sing foreign language songs, as long as there are no foreigners present? Yes that makes sense, doesn't it?
Why are you running this story? It just encourages these silly people to complain about things which are in their own head. I learnt French, German and other songs when I was at school what is the problem here? Still they've had their five minutes of fame I suppose and can keep the paper as a souvenir.
The mom's aren't upset because of the songs, they are upset because of the number of immigrants in their community. I sit on the fence with this one.
As well as Frere Jacques, we sang Aluoette and Sur La ponte, D'Avignon. We loved it. Back in the sixties.
I think it's a great idea to have a festival singing songs in different languages. I'm sure they won't have to be word perfect. We once did an around the world theme with my nursery class and we taught the preschoolers some nursery songs from around the world and they loved it! As did the parents.
My child had a disability, was awarded the extra tuition, but didn't actually get it, apart from 1hr a week reading, as children in his class were given the resource as 'they need it more, and James has such support at home'. When he went to high school hisenglish teacher was appalled that the only dyslexic programmes he had done, were ones I had paid privately for, consequently he wasn't behind. Immigrant children should be given the help on the same basis my son was, and get the specialist language tuition in the evenings and weekend, and not free from the state. After all we've hadchinese and greek children doing weekend school for years and some are our highest acheivers. Their parents chose to come here, we didn't force them
What a ridiculous thing to get upset about! Kids need to learn other languages than English!!
Maybe they should concentrate on maths and english which are standards are sadly lacking.....
We used to sing Frere Jacques. No one complained then. Can't see the problem.
The children are being taught tolerance and having eyes opened to other cultures. Maybe the parents should be given lessons as well
Every school teaches about other countries and cultures including songs, art and history, children love learning about the world, that way they won't grow up to be intolerant, hate filled UKIP voters.
23 parents? my word, its hardly a landslide is it.
They are making themselves look really silly, as if the children come home in tears!!
what a nice lady
For god's sake, it's only a song, so what! What a bunch of ignorant, narrow minded people!
Surely the migrant children should be taught english first - what is going to happen next year will be frightening with no border controls. Well if people want change they will have to vote for it. Forget Tory, Labour or limps they are all for more multiculturalism whether the majority of all cultures who are already here want it.
What i wrong with the children learning a new language? I remember learning a French song at school and coming home singing it to my family. My children come home talking in a new language every term, You should be happy that your children get to learn these languages. It gives them a head start in life.
What a disgrace....different cultures and languages is what we need for now and the future! i'm British with Italian parents and when i read these kind of articles i feel ashamed that i am living in such a RACIST country i know many Brits aren't however there are far too many that are....see past the 'Foreign' we're all people!!!!
I remember being taught a beautiful French Christmas carol at around that age, it was an opportunity to learn about other cultures and a different language. I can still remember most of it nearly 30 years later. Total non issue and I never believe anyone who protests so much about not being a racist...
Strange reaction . As kids in the 70's we learnt Frere Jacques and Au Claire de La Lune and Stille Nacht at Christmas. I am the most Eurosceptic person going but learning a song in another language was fun.
Surely the simple answer is just to provide the children with a translation. But why not understanding the words would make the children cry is beyond me - couldn't they just ask their Lithuanian classmates what it meant?
This will be good for the kids. Regardless of the views on the immigrants, the kids will benefit from learning about other languages and will benefit them in the long run, The mothers complaining are probably just bitter.
And this is a bad thing because...?
Oh get a grip! Do you think the Lithuanians mind you singing Xmas carols? Same difference. - Hope , London, 10/7/2013 17:23 Hope, Lithuanians are a Catholic nation. They would sing carols as well. They have a beautiful celebration called Velines on All Souls Day.
in other countries they learn songs in English. in fact they learn English from a young age so why is learning songs from other languages a problem to parents in the UK? personally I loved learning foreign songs in junior school, made me feel very clever!
Would you complain if they taught the children another language? It's called learning about another culture. If you disagree then you should also complain about the watered down version of British History they teach. Can't have people knowing the truth about the evil empire.
Sometimes people are so ignorant.. It´s not about losing your own culture is about learning something about other cultures. And is proven that your children get smarter if they learn foreign languages, brain stimulation is never too much..
UK citizens are becoming second class citizens, this is appalling, the council should need their heads examining, ukip at the next election to stop the rot.
Erm - & this is in England we're talking about?
Try living in Wales. We have two languages here as a given
The sooner we are out of the bl**dy EU the better. Perhaps an overload of emails to the school will get the message across
All so wrong!!!
When I was 6 years old my class learned Twinkle Twinkle Little Star in Japanese from a teacher's assistant from Tokyo. As I got older I learned other songs in choir in German and Spanish. I LOVED knowing that I was singing in a different language and my parents thought it was fantastic, not to mention I STILL know the words at 27! It's never a bad thing to expose children to culture in this way.
English people need to expand their knowledge of other languages, most kids abroad learn multiple languages in their school years (mainly English) yet us Brits become lazy & expect the rest of the world to learn our language so we don't have to bother... I don't see why parents are protesting against their children learning something new & in a fun way!
No no no. We need to stand up to these things now!
we learnt frere jaques and head, shoulders knees and toes in french and I remember performing silent night in german for a carol concert, children are not distraught because they are learning a foreign language - someone has multicultural issues and an overactive imagination me thinks!
My grandson has been taught songs in Chinese no worries it's all useful
Oh grow up - children are much better at learning languages when they're young, and as one reader commented Frere Jacques and Sur Le Pont were commonly sung when we were little, and we loved it. Teaching your child to be insular and shallow isn't going to help them one little bit.
And this is different to teaching millions of English children "Frere Jacques" with no discernible ill effects for at least the last 100 years how, exactly?
Learn something new for once!
These parents are quite dim but take a step back and look at the wider issue. There are no doubts lots of migrants in their area and they probably don't mix with each other and they are fearful - I would have thought learning about others would be a good way to get to know them. People are all much the same world over.
Come and live here and then you can comment
Why not
Children in tears? Bit over dramatic.
This is so ridiculous. When I was in primary school and Desmond Tutu came to visit they taught us the South African anthem to sing for him and also taught us another South African song, no parents complained then.
What rubbish! We did a project when I was in school 20 years ago on amazon tribes and learnt an Amazonian song for the end of year show.
Few things...if your 8 year old is 'struggling to learn their own language', you're doing something wrong. If your 8 year old genuinely cried because they didn't understand words to a song, you're doing something wrong.
If your 8 year old cant speak their own language by now theres something seriously wrong. So long as there are parents like this perpetuating the cycle of hatred and intolerance our people will be racist and bigoted for generations to come. Its an INTERNATIONAL singing festival. The clue is in the name. wise up people
These parents need to take a long look at themselves! Surely they want their children to be diverse thinkers and not judge other people according to their cultural background?!
I dont see what is wrong with this. Its good to know about other cultures and languages. They should be more concerned about the lack of Christian teachings- as after all England is a christian country and there seems to be little of that nowadays.
I think the fact that it is an inclusion festival shows that it's about including all the children! no harm done learning about other cultures an I'm sure the polish kids will feel proud to sing something they know as they have to sing English Hymns everyday. I agree with keeping our schools speaking mostly English and keep out heritage alive but this seems alot of fuss over nothing
I find it odd that "children were in tears" because they did not understand the song. I am sure the teacher explained it. I have never seen a child in tears over Frere Jacques"!! Of course they would learn some foreign songs for an international festival! Some ignorant parents there, just looking for an excuse to complain.
I think those parents ought to be more aware of what exactly they are teaching their children with this! It was for an international singing festival!! And even if not, so what! Hardly like they are having all lessons taught in a different language is it! These are the type of ppl that go on holiday to Spain and then complain about the Spanish speaking Spanish!
I remember having to learn and sing songs and rhymes in Russian. If anything, it was fun, I still remember some of them to this day. And I still speak my native language, didn't do me any harm. Polish and other children in English schools quickly become fully bilingual, with accents indistinguishable from those of natives.
This is not really about children having to learn a song in Polish or Latvian. This is about families that have been affected by huge increases in migration in recent years. They feel alienated in their own community and i know how they feel as it has happened in my own town, very rare i hear an English speaking voice in my town centre these days.
How will these so-called parents cope in a real emergency?
Bit ott crying because they didnt understand
oh please parents get a grip. Bet you all mumble through the verses of gangnam style and don't object to your kids singing it either
And the children of the Eves and Meldrums of Little England will stay as ignorant as their parents. Well, someone has to collect unemployability benefits.
Well done Peckover School. I feel sorry for the children who are being brought up in such narrow minded environments.
So what? When I was a lad, one time we learned a Japanese poem in honour of a visiting Japanese dignitary. I'm sure everyone has learned to recite SOMETHING in a foreign tongue at school.
Lol! My 6 year-old daughter has french lessons at her primary school and it's almost every day that she comes home singing a new french song and even prefers to count in french. But let me tell you something, not once has she been reduced to tears because she doesn't understand french! She's always happy and always very excited about being able to say new words in another language! And trust me, kids do not have difficulty understanding their native language. They might have difficulty understanding profanities that their parents use but definitely not the correct use of speech! There's a difference!
It was just a song, my daughter has spent all week singing a Spanish song she was taught my some Spanish children during a web talk with children from Spain. She doesn't know the meaning of the words but she is hardly traumatised. The issue here is the parents not the children, children are tolerant and excited by learning new things unless adults give them reason to believe there is something wrong.
im sorry but if my children...i have 2..... get the opportunity lo learn new languages, cultures as part of their education then i think its BRILLIANT. i understand that if you go to live in another country one should leanr tge language or go to an international school but depriving your children of learning about those tuings...please.....should they not learn modern foreign languages now i mean...they are in another language
A classic example of why we seem to lag behind so many other countries in speaking other languages
I can see why the school felt it needed to have an international festival with parents like this. And by the way ladies, you are being pathetic.
I DONT UNDERSTAND THE FUSS..... WHATS THE PROBLEM WITH YOUR CHILDREN BEING EDUCATED ABOUT OTHER CULTURES? IM SURE THE TEACHER USED THE SITUATION THEY ARE IN AS A OPPORTUITY.
Too right!! In English we speak English.
I'd be extremely impressed if my son could sing in Lithuanian. I used to teach Montessori school children and our Montessori was extremely mixed and we used to have 'Culture Weeks' where we'd learn Polish, Indian, Chinese etc rhymes, songs, stories - the children loved and and they learnt about different cultures. I fail to see the problem here.
being in a school choir for 5 years.we would sing songs in french,german,etc.we should be learning languages. what if when they grow up perhaps these children might want to work in other countries.a young woman i worked with was born here,but she was first generation italian.she took qualifications in the subject,and eneded up an interpreter.
Very prejudiced and narrow-minded mindset of the parents, my goodness! When I was in school in Northern England we learned classic GERMAN folksongs in our music lessons and it certainly never harmed any of us, in fact I remember all the words today and was often asked to sing it for my aunts and uncles on special occasions! It is a lovely song! Learning songs in other languages adds to culture and diversity and should be encouraged in all schools! The German kids here learn english folksongs too and they enjoy it. Certainly nobody here complains as the Germans are far more tolerant than most Brits. These complaining parents need to wake up to 2013 and get a grip!
So wrong and the answer so simple , the children from there sing the song . Then it is sung in English .
English songs only in schools please! Learn our language if you want to live here.
In Broxburn in Scotland there was a large influx of polish families to the community and something similar happened. They made the children learn songs in Polish and the mass at the local church was made polish so they made the Scottish children learn Polish. Shouldn't it be the other way around!
My daughter has a Chinese girl in her class and they all learned how to sing Happy Birthday in Chinese. I wouldn't even think of complaining about this - I think it's great that my daughter had an opportunity to learn that there are different languages and cultures in the world!
Time to learn world languages
The song should at least be explained so the children know what they are singing about. I can imagine how overwhelmed these kids were though. They sound out of their depth. This was handled all wrong in my opinion. By all means have songs from other countries..be good if hey are explained.. But all this should not be to the cost of our own culture. There has to be a balance not a take over bid.
How DARE the school indoctrinate kids like this? UKIP all the way!
Dear skool, I do not want little Jonny to learn a foreign language or be exposed to other cultures other than a bit of Spanish to order beer for his granddad in Spain. It is a song for children, it teaches them about other languages so when they get older they can think outside the box, this why the UK lags behind in languages, the rest of the wold does not speak only English, it is a myth.
im lithuanian and im saying that this is stupidity and i support clare and other parents. british kids may learn (only if they want to) but they dont have to for sure. no one can force them in any way to do so.
British way of life will have vanished in 50 years
So what? International culture is on my child's syllabus. Last year I sent my daughter into school dressed in a kimono because each child was tasked with wearing a costume to represent an allocated country... They even sampled cuisine from a selection of those nations and learned cultural songs (God forbid in foreign languages!) She talked enthusiastically about international facts for weeks... Grow up silly parents and broaden your horizons!
It seems English is the second language in this case...
These two boys came home in "floods of tears" because of a song.... right!!! Somehow I find that very hard to believe. Learning songs in different languages is educational and good fun, I cant help thinking if the song was in Swedish or French, the mothers wouldn't have kicked up such an unnecessary fuss....
I frequently travel to Morocco and it is frankly embarrassing how most of the Brits don't bother to say "please" or "thankyou" in either French or Arabic when they go on holiday there. Contrast that to the locals who learn two languages at school (classical Arabic and French), speak Berber and Darija at home and then teach themselves English, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch etc so that they can work in tourism. They then might be lucky enough to earn £10 a day. I am ashamed to be British when I read stories like this.
I think we are now as insular as we were centuries ago. Despite modern communications many folk, especially those old enough to know, are clueless about the Baltic States. What contributions they have made to mankind but few could locate Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania if given a map. So sad.
The parents must really hate the Eurovision Song Contest.
Talk about PC gone mad. They're living in England , they should be taught English. What an absolute shambles. I'm so glad my children have finished their education, but I fear for my grandchildren. Something's got to give , it can't go on the way it is. Trouble is bubbling on the surface , but the imbeciles running the country just won't see it.
Disgusting
Have these parents, (and only 23 of them, bless!), really got nothing better to complain about? How bigoted must you be to object to your child learning a song in a foreign language? I wouldn't actually want to send my child to a school that didn't teach this!
What a silly thing to be upset about! In year one I leaned about Chinese New Year and my class put on a play and sang in The song "Jesus loves me yes I know" in Chinese no one was traumatised we were proud to have learned something new and my parents were impressed and came to watch out class perform, no one suffered and I am not expected to speak fluent Chinese its supposed to be a fun approach to learning!
What a wonderful way to learn a language and to widen your horizons. I seem to remember that Lithuanian is quite a special language. I must look it up. What lucky English children, lovely Lithuanian children, and short-sighted, dim-witted mothers!!
personally I wouldn't be bothered, British people need to learn other languages rather than depending on people abroad speaking English! as long as the children understand the song the teacher should translate the song into English for them to so they're learning a new language! speaking more than one language is a gift! why deprive your children from it? it could help them later on in life! I could speak another language! while the children are young and can pick things up easily why not!
Are you kidding me? At school I was taught frere jaques, sur le pont d'avinon and silent night in german. Its not as if they are teaching lessons in a different language. Its kind of ironic that its called inclusion concert maybe the parents should go back to school and learn what inclusion means.
I can tell you that better lithuanian then polish is much harder to learn, ah this culture of complaining all the time she doesn't look like full time working mum .
In some schools learning a modern foreign language is compulsory, what would these parents do if their children had to learn French, German, Spanish or Italian? Is it because they're not Eastern European?
"Soon this will become the norm, I don't think it's right, do overseas schools teach English folk songs in English there??? I don't think so..... - smiler561, STAFFORD, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:25" Yes, of course they do! People learn English all over the world by learning songs in English, music is a great learning tool. (Or maybe you were being sarcastic, not sure...)
UKIP all the bloody way! This country is a soft touch joke!
Yep,Xenophobia gone mad....................oh.hang on a minute,it's normal in your country isn't it.
Your comments:what's wrong with kids learning another language?
That purple hair dye is lovely isn't where did you get that from. Learning a foreign language is good for your mental development.
The 23 parents opposing this should shake their heads in shame at their small mindedness
What a disgrace those parents are! A child may find it difficult to learn - think what their peers have to go through on a daily basis! As it is for a singing festival the parents should be encouraging their children to have fun and join in. Shocked at what some people are like!
Grow up! Out numbered...do you actually hear the way you people come across! There is nothing wrong with this at all. If you do then you have issues with people from other countries. A song does not imply they are being taught how to speak the language. Maybe people should look at their own apparently English language. Can not understand a word of what these people say and I am English!
Yep,Xenophobia gone mad....................oh.hang on a minute,it's normal in your country isn't it.
ENGLISH is the language of the UK last time I looked!
My children are native English speakers and they love learning bits of other languages.If it's only the odd Lithuanian song here and there, mixed in with some Frere Jacques and a bit of Nessun Dorma, it can only be enriching. What is this story really about?
I highly doubt the children came home in "floods of tears" because they couldn't understand the words to a song. That sounds like the parents' version. Living in Canada we're used to dealing with more than one language - in fact we send our kids to "immersion" schools where they are taught all their classes in a language different from Englisih. There are French, German, Filipino, Cree - you name, we have it. Being able to speak more than one language is a gift.
It is good for the children to learn songs in other languages,why would they be upset?? the teacher would explain what the song was about, we sang songs in German,French and carols in Latin, it did us no harm and made us more amenable to accepting other cultures .and children usually like showing a new skill.
What a wonderful way to expand a young mind. They will now realise that there are many languages in Europe. It is well known that improved language abilities aid learning. I know several young people who can speak fluent English who are Polish, French and Spanish. British people now have the opportunity to learn another language and this will help them think "outside the box." Music is a language, so is mathematics and most of the school curriculum. Lucky kids. We never had the chances they are getting. We were proud English and people must speak our language.
I am a patriot. I did my time for queen and country and I miss England. BUT my kids are speaking 3 languages fluently and learning a 4th at school and I know that this is better for them in the long run. By the time my kids are working age the need for more than one language will be the default. Those who baulk at their children learning another language are clearly too dumb to realise their response to this engenders the same reluctance to learn a second language in their children and will impede their children's opportunities later in life.
Britain is full of kids whose parents are Irish, some would be native Irish speakers. I've never heard of them learning a song in Irish........... has anyone?
We learned a song in Swahili at my Hampshire Primary school in 1967 - so why is everyone so surprised in 2013? These parents need to remember that the younger their children are exposed to different languages, the easier they will find them to learn.
How about them learning English its a useless language any way out side of its own country.......unbelievable
So when I taught my class of 5 year olds a song in French and we coloured in the flag I was forcing something frightening on them in this womans eyes I assume? They absolutely beamed when they realised how clever they were. Children are knowledge sponges and they love to show off new skills such as these. A child is only going to get upset when doing something like this if the parent leads them to feel it is somehow wrong.
Do they object to Frere Jacques. Not me, I learnt it in junior school in 1979 in Burton upon Trent which was hardly a hot bed of immigration back then. Let them enjoy learning a Lithuanian song. Well done.
Blame Tony Blair & his government .They started the ball roling.
Only idiots would deny their kids the chance at learning linguistic skills that will come in very handy in latter life, little johnny may have an aptitude for language. I'm bilingual, my child speaks Welsh and is learning Mandarin, learning languages at a young age is much easier that latter on.
I'm in shock at this protest, surely this is all about learning more about other cultures. My oldest son starts school in September & I would be thrilled if he had an opportunity like this. The school are clearly trying to expand the children's horizons further & should be applauded for this, not face seemingly pointless protests.
i was taught french songs in primary school nobody complained
'' It's being forced on our children,' Ms Eve said. 'They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language let alone goodness knows what else.'' My 3 1/2 year old speaks Turkish, understands and speaks some Arabic and English - and an 8 year old is struggling to learn a song in a foreign language - strikes me as ignorance and laziness from some of the parents and their children !
Goodness. I was taught Latin, French, German and Spanish at school. Where is the difference in being taught another European language? For crying out loud woman, what's wrong with you?
When I went to school in Switzerland we learnt songs and a lot more, in French, Spanish, Italian, English etc. It's called Culture, folks.
Absolutely nothing wrong here, we learnt French, Swedish and German folk songs-and some American ones in Fleet School 60 years ago
God forbid children get a cultural education! I had to go to a ceremony dressed as a Japanese girl guide back in the 80's and read a poem in Japanese to celebrate different cultures. Did I cry? No. Did my mother rally a ridiculous protest? No. Ridiculous.
Why fury? It can teach them linguistic skills that could come in very handy in latter life. Bizarre over reaction by the parents, they learned a song the school didn't convert the kids to another religion, get a grip.
I ´don´t understand what the fuss is about. Learning to appreciate other cultures is surely a good thing, and while no one is denying that English should be the language taught in schools, I see nothing wrong with teaching the kids a song in another language for an international theme. It´s also good for the Eastern European children to be made to feel welcome and be proud of their culture. There´s too much bigoty in the world today. A little peace and understanding is all we need
When I was at school in the 1960s I was taught Alloutte, Oh Tannenbaum and Frere Jaques, this had no negative impact upon me or any of my peers, we all survived, no one died, get a life !
So what? I had to learn songs in other languages at primary school. It was fun. Freres Jaques for example. Get a grip.
' Ms Eve said. 'They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language'. I am genuinely curious: do eight yrs old really struggle with learning their own language? Unless there are some other issues involved?
Han on, I'm being horrible but is the one with the red hair really 48?
Soon this will become the norm, I don't think it's right, do overseas schools teach English folk songs in English there??? I don't think so..... - smiler561 , STAFFORD, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:2 Are you joking? Most other countries start teaching english from the age of as young as 4 (for example Denmark). I had to learn French songs which even now I don't know the translation. If my child came home crying over something so pathetic I would not be impressed. In fact I might book a trip to visit Auschwitz or perhaps a day learning about what children in Sierra Leone went through so the sheltered little children can learn some perspective (and perhaps the adults could do with a trip also!)
I was taught a few French, SEVERAL English, a Spanish song and even a MAORI song when I was in school in Qatar, all of which were foreign languages to me and my classmates. It's not that big of a deal. If anything it made us more cultured and expanded our vocabularies! Now I have a talking point when I meet someone from New Zealand. All schools do this!
What bigotted parents! I'm nearly 60 and no parents complained when we learned Frere Jacques (French song) at Primary school. We didn't have French lessons. We simply learned that song. The school is having an International festival. Are they only supposed to feature British culture in the festival ... making it a British festival?
I think it's a fab idea. my 3 year old is learnibg japanese and spanish at home and I can only see the benefits if it
When I was in primary school I remember learning the French song "Frère Jacques" and can still sing in in French and English now. Also, as a school child in Scotland, we always learnt Scottish songs and poems for Robert Burns day. And theres lots of old Scots I never understood, but I survived. I cannot understand what the problem is, I'm sure I would have really enjoyed this event if it had happened at my school.
'It's being forced on our children,' Ms Eve said. 'They're only eight-years-old - it's a struggle to learn their own language let alone goodness knows what else.'' OMG don't make me laugh, she is such an idiot! why on earth did her children start school in the first place?!
My country is plagued by ignorant parents like these. Even in 1954 I was being taught French songs; and we loved it because it was such a change from dull, turgid English folk songs.
I remember having to sing French songs and a Welsh song in primary school and shock horror nobody complained! British children need to get ahead with languages! And its an international festival, what do they want them to sing? English songs? We had international days when I was in primary and we would learn to say hello in different languages such as Chinese, German etc and eat different foods, nothing wrong with learning about different cultures My sister went to Belgium for her placement year for primary teaching and children there were already speaking Dutch, French and English fluently because its encouraged and here parents want to complain because their children got to learn another language?!? The UK is so behind on teaching children other languages and unless you go private school/parents educate you on one/you take the time out to learn one yourself we don't even learn. Languages are important especially in the cooperate world, stop complaining and welcome it.
Why fury? It can teach them linguistic skills that could come in very handy in latter life. Bizarre over reaction by the parents, they learned a song, get a grip.
Wow, children learning a foreign language and something about other countries. What in the world are these people complaining about? They should be pleased.
They're not racist, agreed, but they are more than slightly xenophobic. I learned a French song at the age of 5. Many years later I speak 3 languages apart from my own, not including Latin and Ancient Egyptian! I can't help but suspect that the kids have only made a fuss (if they really have) to mirror their parents' obvious xenophobic leanings.
I taught my class 'happy and you know it' in Italian as part of our topic and they loved it (they are 6-7). Also, it is well known that children pick up new languages with ease. I'm amazed these parents are so insular, London schools are far more accepting.
Poor, traumatised little darlings... Having to learn a song in a different language? And this is newsworthy why?
I suppose you would call this integration , only in the UK ,its nationals are asked to integrate with the immigrants around them or leave the country. Isn't it just as well we are so tolerant , if you tried to teach the children in other counties to sing english songs in english , you may find yourself minus your head, at the very least you would be asked to leave the country. Still ,long may it continue , in fifty years time there will be no trace of englishness left as all our children will be speaking many different languages sing many different songs and attending very different schools.
Why doesn't Michael Gove step in and stop this.
the children cant be that bright, i have taught 3 year olds to sing in german, dutch and french
My father came from Lithuania in 1916 as a war and religious refugee. I was born in 1947 with a Welsh mother and went to Hinchley Wood Primary in Surrey. There were many children like me who had eastern European parents, and we learned a variety of ethnic songs and dances, including Welsh, Scottish and Irish. It has certainly enhanced my life, and I remember it with great fondness.
Says it all when some parents have said "they're 8 years old and struggle to learn their own language"
It's an INTERNATIONAL song festival! For goodness sake! They aren't talking about changing the regular assembly songs (do schools still do that?) are they? The fact that they have ONLY 23 parents that have signed that petition so far shows how daft that small minority are. Unfortunately now the children are going to copy their parents crummy attitudes to other cultures. I do feel for the communities whose facilities are being stretched to the limit by immigrants, but it's stricter immigration controls that should be being petitioned for, not bans on children's songs!
THIS STINKING COUNTRY IS FINISHED!!
'My little girl goes to German club,' she said. I just hope she won't be taught to sing " deutschland über alles " my Grandad fought that mob during WW2 & whilst he was still alive never bought anything made in Germany
This is a ridiculous article, when I was at primary school we had a French boy in our class and we all learnt a song I'm French did we cry. No. We're our parents angry? No. We're we scared for life? No. Get a grip DM
How the hell are foreign children going to learn to speak in a way that is acceptable to employers in this country - assuming the parents intend to stay long enough. Multiculturalism does not work.It alienates many of the host country and does not encourage mixing of people.They are not forced or even encouraged to speak the language of the country they are living in.. That way breeds ghettos.
When is this country going to take a stand and say no more?! You come to our country and you should abide by our rules and cultures. You want your own cultures then stay in your own bloody country!!
When in rome, do as the romans do
Oh this reminds me of the day I took my son to toddler group and a Chinese lady enthusiastically jumped up infront of me and said " Hello It's international day! Where are you from?" " ummm... Guildford. " lol. I felt a bit left out, like I should have come from somewhere.
Im annoyed slightly when I hear foreign parents living in the UK..are talking to their children in their parents native tongue. If the children are being bought up to live in this country their 1st language should be English and taught to them by their parents...surely that only fair on the children......unless of course they are learning both.???
Sorry this is wrong. I'm Portuguese and have lived in the UK 23 years, my children are British and although bilingual they do not speak Portuguese here or English in Portugal. I've always worked, pay my taxes, never on benefits and love and this country as my own. When in Rome be a Roman, the language is English learn it, adapt to the way if life, don't like it go back to your country. I'm all for kids learning other languages as education but it's a choice and should not be imposed on people.
ive worked in a school where there are 5 white children in the whole school!
In tears because they didn't understand? I'm sorry but that really is pathetic. I take it these are those same annoying parents who go straight to te head teacher over the tiniest argument?
When I was a teacher I used to run children's choirs, and we regularly used songs in German, French, Italian, Spanish, Bulgarian and Japanese - and those are just the ones I remember. We did it because they were good songs, and sounded better in their original language than they would if translated. English folk music is not, sadly, such a rich seam. I sympathise with the teachers in this school, having to work in the face of such ignorant chauvinism. Let's hope the kids will be a bit more tolerant when they're grown up.
In today's competitive world the more skills and knowledge you have the better it will be for you. Please teach my kid Chinese, polish , Latvian anything! the more she knows the better it will be for her. If these backward parents had any sense they would understand that they hold their kids back at their peril
don't the problem, we should encourage more multiculturalism
Ridiculous all those people that think white British are becoming a minority. White British people still make up around 82% of the British population. Of course the concentration of 'foreigners' are higher in some places but that is life! Go to the Costa del Sol in Spain and see how many British people are there! It is an 'international' festival so why not sing songs from other countries. Pfft 'floods of tears'.. please. I think its nice that their being exposed to other cultures and being taught tolerance, shame their parents weren't!
Bet you still let them listen to Rhianna though right? Hypocrits.
Last Christmas the two& a half year olds in the nursery school where I work sang and danced to songs in 13 different languages. The same number as the nationalities of the children in the class. They loved every minute of it! It's called internationalism and encourages the children to grow into citizens of the world. Some people really need to open their minds!!!
Well, it doesn't say a lot for Wisbech in Cambridgeshire does it? Now I can understand people perhaps getting a little agitated if the lessons were delivered in a language spoken perhaps by a non-British school population as surely English would be the first language. But, a song, we all sang quite a few French or Latin ditties at one time or another so nothing wrong with a little bit of Eastern Europe will do no harm.
Good bye England!
Given the quality of the teachers in this country the whole thing will probably be a failure, our schools have great difficulty teaching children English let alone Polish! The loony left tendency in the teaching profession have massively damaged the educational standards over the last 60 years. As a country we now languish in about 27th place for the teaching of our native language, if they are now going to teach Polish that is likely to be even more inadequate.
Its for an INTERNATIONAL singing festival for goodness sakes!! what are you all so afraid of! they are not being taught maths in Lithuanian are they? Get a grip peoples! I remember when i was at school in the choir, we were taught songs in French, Latin, German and even an African song! There is nothing wrong with a little bit of extra knowledge ... expand your horizons.... It actually made learning languages later on so much easier. Instead of spending time petitioning, why don't the parents make an effort to find out the translations or better yet, write to the school & request them?? You are not helping your children you are harming them by keeping them ignorant !
They're only eight years old they struggle with their own language? I'm sorry children learn a damn sight quicker I think this is a case of yet again parents thinking they run the schools when in fact half of kids now a days can't read, write their own name or use the bathroom! Any excuse not to sit down with a child and assist with education at home! I could speak basic french when I was eight why can't your children learn a different language! Wisbech isn't that draconian educate your kids and help them understand there is more out there than a run down seaside resort of yesteryear!
Did the Lithuanian and Polish children sing anything in English? No because I guess English does not pass as 'culture' these days. Yes, when I was taught piano I had to respond to Italian commands, and if I had taken ballet I would have had to respond to French. But piano and ballet lessons are voluntary. We were eventually taught French and German after year 6. However, any French or German children at our school had to learn English or they could not stay. And if I had gone to school in France or Germany, I would have had to speak their language. This is all being handled very badly, and is doing nothing for community cohesion. It is all about being easier to bully English children into accepting Lithuanian and Polish culture than it is to argue against the flood of immigrants from that part of the world.
As we have a reputation for being too lazy to learn another language...just speeeeeaaaaaaakkkkk. Ssloooooowwlly or shout, Johnny foreigner will get the message....this does not surprise me one wee bit...
Welcome to multicultural Britain.
What hope can we have for our children when as parents we are so small-minded?
Might it not be useful - or at least interesting - for these British children to have a smattering of linguistic knowledge about their new school companions? Because like it or not, these British parents must accept that eastern european children will be mixing with their own offspring for the unforeseeable future - and surely it is better to 'pave the way' now, rather than have to 'build bridges' later on? I lived in foreign countries as an RAF child and learned songs in German, Norwegian and French. Don't think it did me any harm and it was interesting and challenging, in a pleasant way.
No different to what songs are sung in asian areas and what language is spoken daily. Lets face it, English people are being slowly replaced and there is nothing or nobody that can stop it now. White folk will be a minority within 10 years, English within 5 years. Can only blame yourselves for letting this happen and being PC. Get used to it.
I'm amazed these people haven't complained about Dora the explorer being Spanish either.......or maybe, they have????
None of us would mind this if our children were being taught to read, write and count along side these other activities but the sad fact is that too many of OUR children are leaving school without the basic skills needed to survive in the adult world. There are too many of these extra curricular activites taking place and not enough normal teaching and not enough PE. How many children swim every week at primary school anymore, I did but my own children did not, therefore we had to pay for lessons ourselves privately. Will we have to pay for others lessons too now?
It's not as if this is language that will be of any use to the average English speaking child, the onus should be on the incomers to be learning our language. How come teachers can make time in the curriculum for for nonsense like this when more times needs to be spent on literacy and numeracy. If there is time to learn a foreign language, albeit in a limited way, for heaven's sake make it one that will be some use say French or Spanish.
I taught my year 5 class a French song this week which included the line 'shake your bottom'. No complaints so far...
What's the problem? Kids pick up languages very quickly and a kid taught to speak Polish as well as English, could be a bonus in adult life, especially if you go into the building trade. At school we sang "Forrero jacka" (forgive me, my French is not that good) and it did us no harm. Down here, schools are teaching Kernoweck which, is very good because of our Cornish identity but I dare say that Mandarin or French would probably be more productive and a damn sight easier to learn.
A couple of years ago the children at my daughter's school learned a song in Hawaiian for their Christmas play. Not really a problem.
I agree with a lot of what people have said here, growing up, in school I had to sing songs in different languages. It's not a big deal, I had to sing songs in African, Hebrew, French etc. It's something different, I don't know why these parents are making mountains out of mole hills, it's an international festival and it exposes children to different cultures and makes them more tolerant.
What A SHOCKER!! English children learn foreign language in school!! Whatever next? School trip to France cancelled as locals don't speak English?? The problem is, they do speak English because they chose to learn it in schools!! ... get over yourselves!!!
The majority of the world can speak English because from a young age they are 'forced' to learn it. Now she needs to stop being so forcefully ignorant.
What part of 'international singing festival' do these people not understand??? *hangs head in shame that I went to school in this town*
It's not as if this school is going to start teaching lessons in Lithuanian. Nor are all songs sung in assemblies going to be in a foreign language. It's an INTERNATIONAL celebration. For an HOUR! I'm sure the parents' opinions would be very different if it was a French or German song. Interesting that the lady interviewed is happy for her child to go to a club to learn German but she takes exception to Eastern European languages... Hypocrite.
Why on Earth would anyone object to their child learning a song in a different language? My daughter has a friend in school who is from Latvia (who speaks English, as do her parents) and thinks its great fun to be able to say a few words in her language, same when we go on holiday. Sad that a couple of people with very strange views feel they have to deprive their children of having fun with the rest of their classmates simply to make a rather sad quasi-political point.
You come to out country you should speak our language. This country is a joke. UKIP will get my vote
Lol.... Priceless. The outrage bus is in full throttle. I was taught to sing Frere Jacques at school...... How is this any different?
the school children must be getting top marks in english and maths to waste time on this PC drivel. when in Rome etc
Brits you need to get over yourself already! It's only a song, we should welcome multiculturalism! I'm half British half Dutch, but my British side of the family all originally came from Eastern European countries at the end of the last century and I'm marrying a Polish man next year! When I have kids they will be taught about all different cultures, just as I was in primary school. When I was at primary school we learnt about every culture that our class consisted of so that we learnt that they all had something special and I would love for my kids to be taught the same!
Some don't seem to understand the context: the kids learned foreign songs for an INTERNATIONAL song festival! Being trilingual myself (German, Polish, English) I can assure all the doubters, learning a foreign song does not harm the British children at all, rather the opposite - it may actually encourage them to broaden their horizon; culturally, personally AND intellectually. Moreover, those kids with a foreign background usually feel encouraged to ALSO learn the language they are living in, as their culture is not seen as a threat but is actually appreciated.
Load of rubbish, when I was at school we were taught the Welsh national anthem by a Welsh teacher and it made no difference to us, it was just a song
Ignorant parents. I learned Frere Jacques at school. Don't remember my parents starting a petition about it. Whatever happened to embracing differences and learning about other cultures i.e educating children?
I'm all for learning different languages, but I do hope they are including Welsh in this festival if they are including Lithuanian and Polish. After all, Welsh is a UK language spoken by loads of citizens but unfortunately is dying out.
The whole school is hardly being "taken over" just because your kids had to learn TWO songs! Kids love learning stuff in other languages. If your kids find it so traumatic then maybe a little brain exercise will do them good.
It is not an 'international festival' They are just calling it that so they can foist rubbish on people and get other people to come down on them when they complain. People are not coming from round the world specifically for this, this is not held round the world either ... it would be jsut an event in the school, except "Show Racism the Red Card" has got involved making this a fiasco for supranationalism.
Well of course, if we ever stand up for anything British in this country we are called racist, or it's not PC. People are unhappy with the influx of people from Eastern Europe in this country. But, you mustn't say so otherwise you'll get shouted down by tree huggers. I'm not sorry - I think this marks the slippery slope, which we are already half way down! Frere jacques is one thing, but I just don't agree that this is the same thing. However, I do feel sorry for the schools, as they have to cater for all needs and be all things to all people these days.
If the school concentrated on teaching the children to write and speak English correctly first, it would be a step in the right direction. Ask any employer about the standard of English grammar on job applications. Why waste time teaching Lithuavian after we get out the EU the number of foreigners will rapidly decline.
What??!!!
Well we are the minority these days
The difference with 'frere Jacques' is that it is a French song, and French happens to be in the curriculum, whereas Polish and Lithuanian are not. Not yet anyway. A better solution would be to learn the immigrant children songs in English, if im allowed to suggest it.
Living in the UAE I am so glad my kids get to be open minded and learn many languages including help from foreign friends who will be welcome in my home,and to learn about different cultures and religions. It will make them a better person for it.
You would think a woman with purple hair would be a little more understanding and open-minded.... Learning a secondary language improves your understanding and use of your primary language. Not to mention makes you more competitive in the job market.
Probably more useful than the rest of the rot that kids are taught these days.
'We have made alternative arrangements for pupils of parents not wishing their child to take part in the concert to remain at Peckover Primary school, for the hour during which the concert takes place.' So its either do it the school way and take part in the concert in TOTAL or the kids get to stay in school for the period; WOW isnt that peachy? This is WRONG on so many levels, if foreigners want to come to OUR Country they learn OUR language; NOT the other way around! Has no one else seen how wrong this is or are there so many out there burying their heads in the sand while spouting rubbish about that great failure INTEGRATION! And before the sniping starts, I am gainfully employed running my own company, educated to degree level, have never been to Benidorm or anywhere like it and speak English, French, German and a little Arabic!
What a bunch of narrow-minded parents giving Cambridge a bad name. It's an International Music Festival, and they're having songs and music from lots of different countries and cultures. The parents must be terrified the minds of their children will actually expand beyond their own!
so so wrong and so very very sad. adapt to English culture, learn the language or go. it's not a difficult or unreasonable expectation.
There is no freedom of speech in this country anymore. Unless you toe the PC line you are branded racist. Different views and opinions are not tolerated by the bully boys who are intent on dictating to us what we must think and say. Try living in Aylesbury - schools where up to 22 different languages are spoken. Our country is lost to us.
"Children in tears because they did not understand the lyrics"... talk about making things up! There's nothing wrong with learning another language, even if it's just a few words!
The time to complain is when the whole curriculum is taught in Lithuanian...otherwise just enjoy the festival methinks...
For heavens sake what is wrong with these ignorant paents, its an International singing festival, this attitude to me always explains why these kind of so called " adults will happily take their holiday n Spain for the sun and then complain and whinge that not everyone speaks English. Yourchildren are going to meet people of all nationalities their entire lives. Get used to it.
just absolutely shocking. where are we going, soon it will be all immigrant councillors and making decisions for the countries languages
This article says everything about the present day UK once ruler of the waves, now content to be ruled by just about anyone, even Lithuanians. Its pathetic, makes my British blood boil.
It's not about the singing in a different language, it's about the large number of foreign kids in the school and the fear of being in the minority and so losing the British identity, this is just a way of protesting at the situation. My kids learned Hindu songs in London primaries back in the early 90's and it was the same then. We didn't complain about 'frere jaques' because most of the class was not French, they were still in France.
I believe Britain today is like many other countries, it is multicultural (unlike the US which is mosaic). Multiculturalism embraces the idea that no one culture is paramount, all are equal and all deserve the same respect. Sorry if that comes as a shock to some, but that is the way it is, for good or bad.
No wonder Brits are the nation who do not know any foreign languages and mostly are not able to learn one. As to the little Lithuanian kids, they will be at least bilingual. And it will be easier for them to learn further languages should they feel like doing it.
How utterly pathetic that parents would complain about their children learning a couple of international songs for an international festival. While I was at university the choir I was in learned songs in English, Welsh, Italian, Swedish, German, French, Dutch and Yoruba. No, we didn't understand all the words we were singing, but yes, it was fun, it was interesting and it broadened the mind. As a previous commenter has said, one suspects that the outrage has more to do with the parents' views on Poles and Lithuanians than it does with the songs.
My kids learned "Alouette, gentille alouette" and "Frere Jaques" as tiny kids. Somehow, it managed not to scar them for life. These parents are being ridiculous; it's a song in another language! So what? Are they unaware that there's a great big world out there where people *gasp* speak other languages? My local state infants offers French lessons to all the kids - would that also be seen as the collapse of civilisation as we know it?
I would agree with theses parents. When in Rome........
I would be upset if my kids school didn't teach about different cultures. Would they be upset if it was French? Get a grip!
'Im surprised English is still taught in uk schools these days since its becoming more and more a minority. Ive seen warehouse job advertises in polish or marked 'polish speakers only' and have heard of works using translation apps on their phones to understand their workforce... this madness has to stop! - Corpse Slayer , Little Poland, United Kingdom, 10/7/2013 17:07>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you've seen job advertised for 'Polish Speakers Only' then I can assure you that they're illegal, and you would be fully entitled to report such people to the authorities.
Just think how lucky you are love that you don't live in Blackburn.
To all comments that say that the: 'immigrant children should be learning English!' Whatever makes you think that they are not?
Learning a song in a different language is fine but for all other lessons the only language used should be English.
When I was in school I learned a french song about a bloody pizza and nobody cared, why now? Learning foreign language should be encouraged as much as possible.
It's a song? ....
Wait what? We learned songs in many languages at both my primary and high school and most students and their parents loved it because of the multiculturalism. I remember learning and performing songs in French and Swahili in primary school and when I was in chorus in high school we learned songs in French, Liturgical Latin, Italian and Russian (not to mention learning songs in French and Spanish for our International Week). What happened to celebrating different languages and cultures?
WRONG WRONG WRONG!
I think comparing frere jaques sang in a school with no French pupils is not quite the same as singing in polish and Latvian when these children make up a third of the numbers, what's next polish language lessons instead of French or German?? I think the root of what these parents are scared of is their children becoming second place to immigrants.
It is good for the children to learn songs in other languages,why would they be upset?? the teacher would explain what the song was about, we sang songs in German,French and carols in Latin, it did us no harm and made us more amenable to accepting other cultures .and children usually like showing a new skill.
Trying to improve my language skills for work at the moment, and wishing I had been taught more languages at school. The older you get, the tougher it is.
Hmm. Well, Frere Jacques is short and repetitive, easy to remember. We learned a lot of French songs, all short and easy. Look at the length of the Lithuanian lyrics. These days most children are an idle bunch and moan at anything - because they can. About time they did as they were told.
It's an international song festival for goodness sake,in my multicultural school 40 years ago we did Indian,Irish and English folk dance for a festival because that was the mixture at my school. Some parents need to broaden their minds and tell their kids to join in. We never understood algebra (who does) but we did it without bursting into tears!
What's so wrong with learning a foreign language, the younger they learn the better & faster too! I am working in Austria teaching English to 2-6 year old kids & how much younger than that can you get! The kids love to sing & have fun in their English hour believe me!
I remember being taught songs in a variety of foreign languages when I was at primary school. I also remember that despite not necessarily understanding the lyrics, neither children nor parents had an issue with this.
So sorry and you can all red arrow but for goodness sake this is England not Latvia, Lithuania or Poland! These people come here to live and work and MUST take on our way of life and respect that they are in our country and not their own. This school is quite wrong but for all the right reasons it is trying to integrate but it is foreigners that must adapt to us and not the other way around.
all you commenting about its ' just a song ' no it isnt this is insidious , creeping in and wiping out the english culture and language , immigrants should learn english how can they if the english are being made to learn the immigrant languages ?
Oh Please! It's just a song! Tell your kid to get a grip on reality. Get one yourself while you are at it.
Lyrics what they holding not in Lithuanian
I learnt Frere Jacque in primary school, as well as learning Silent Night and She Loves You (yeah yeah yeah) in German. I suspect this is simply a case of jumping on a bandwagon instead of a legitimate concern about what their child is learning.
Sorry I don't see what the problem is here. It's one song for a one off performance. Personally I think it's a great way to be inclusive and teach children about other cultures.
IN ALL PROBABILITY IT ISN'T THE SINGING - IT IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE BOMBARDED FROM ALL DIRECTIONS OF SO CALLED WELL INTENTIONED TELLING US TO GET ON LOVE IT AND EMBRACE ALL MINORITIES WHEN IN ACTUAL FACT WE ARE ALL SICK OF IT AND HAD THEY NOT POKED THEIR NOSES INTO EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES REGARDING FOREIGNERS AND JUST LEFT THEM TO IT FOREIGNERS WOULD ASSIMILATE AND WE WOULD ALL BE HAPPY - I DON'T LIKE BEING TOLD WHO TO EMBRACE THANK YOU!
Oh please. Go to ANY school ANYWHERE in the world and you will find all the children can speak fluent English. Learning another language is fantastic, whether it is in a song or 4 words or fluent!! What is wrong with this country?!?!?!
I think learning a song in another language is a good idea. the parents are probably exaggerating how upset the kids where!
For those attacking the parents and saying how you learnt a foreign language at school (which indeed I did myself, both French and German) you need to understand that this is part of the EU's attempt to destroy the very notion of Britishness! The Franco-German plan is and always has been to destroy Great Britain as a Nation! They have both attempted to do so through force and lost so now they use the devious EU to get their way! I have no objection to children learning another language (even a European one) but I strongly object to what is becoming indoctrination of our children to accept the immigration and multiculturalism! I'm a Nationalist!
What a shame these parents object to their children learning a few words of a different language.I`m Englishbut live in Germany,had 5 years French and Latin at school,speak good German and Spanish(Both learned in the last 13 years) plus a bit of Polish and Czechish. This has been such a help to me over my lifetime(I`m 64).Let young children learn a bit of any language.In a foreign land when you only try to speak a bit of the tongue the people help you no end.They don`t laugh at you,
I learnt all sorts of foreign language songs at school. It's called education!
Nothing wrong with kids singing in other languages. Seriously, what harm is it doing?
not surprised. bit by bit we lose our grip on a once stable country.
"Fury"? A favourite word of the DM headline writers. According to the DM this country is full of "furious" people, getting red-faced and angry at hearing Lithuanian songs.
All foreign children should be speaking English, singing English and being taught English. Allowing them to continue in their native language will only delay their education but will also hold the English children back. Enough of this PC charade, they are in England now!
Oh no! children taught song in another language , they may learn something and have fun, oh no! Certainly the poor dears should find it difficult , I know some of our 3 year olds here in Taiwan struggle with English songs. So these 8 year old English students are clearly having too muched asked of them.
What sensitive, and silly, souls we seem to be breeding these days.
WeIl I doubt any children came home crying. When i was at shcool we sang Christmas songs in french and German. Why is this any different, especially since it's specifically for an event the school is involved in. Instead the children will be stuck inside doing a boring activity whilst the event is on. What's the point?
I am catholic and went to a jewish school and was taught jewish songs and learned about the jewish culture, i turned out fine i just happen to know alot about a different culture! Makes for something to talk about at a dinner party!
I can't see the harm. If the foreign children also learn songs in English, why shouldn't the English children learn songs in another language too? It surely helps them bond together and prevents ridiculous divisions. As a parent I would not object. If all lessons were taught in Lithuanian only that would be different but I suspect they are not!
This is ridiculous, a non story. When I was little in the 60s we learned things like "Frere Jacques" and "Au Clair de la Lune", then at High School you learned songs in French or German, whatever language you were taking. In the girls PE classes we also did Eastern European folk dances to go with Highland dances. Some of the girls in my class had Polish dads who had been here since WW2 and we had a next door neighbour who came to Britain after the Hungarian uprising; my parents were sad when the council rehoused us all and he was sent to the other end of the town. My dad was Irish, an uncle Polish and a friend's mum was Indian. We all just got on. Since we moved back to Scotland one of our best friends is a black American, another a Sikh. We had another lady here whose mum was a Romany. When we lived in London our friends were Indian Hindu, Iranian, Japanese and from countries like New Zealand. It's been a real education over the years.
Sure le pont, david none, or something like that, which we were made to learn in schools fifty years ago, but then again, the country wasn't overrun with Frenchmen!
Whoever is in charge of this school should get a grip of themselves and to be frank think about retiring from being a teacher. Multiculturalism is a good thing but to spend time teaching children to sing songs in a language that is of no real value is a waste of time and learning abilities. It might sound great to the organizer but start to think of the better uses that could have been done with the time and it pales into obscurity. These days teachers have so much time off for retraining and in teaching time, shorter hours actual teaching and with all the other misplaced events going on do very little real teaching. On their retraining you think that the main subject for them is how to organize better teaching practices with the hours available, because they are totally out of touch with the public. If they should try to learn a language try for Chinese, Japanese, German and French. Though by the sounds of it maybe English should have been added. These are the main languages used.
so they are including national dress of Germany and Greece - -are they also going to make the girls wear burkas just to show them about islam ?? - -or are the kids dressed as germans going to invade the kids dressed as Polish ? - - -sick of England bowing and scraping to everyone else - -this nation is finished - -if they want to come here - and live here - they should be learning to be part of our society.
...and this is why there is racism. I would be more than happy for my child to learn songs in other languages even if there were no children in his class from that county. Why wouldn't you want to show your child different cultures??. I know when I was at school I would have found this exciting and rushed home to show my mum how I could sing in a different language. This is ridiculous.
'Parents' fury' - REALLY?!?! Over a song? Get a life!
It's a good idea to integrate ethnic minorities in schools and what better way than through song .. surely there is some translation of the songs somewhere? It is the right age to learn some new words in different languages .. good idea teachers.
Because god forbid your child is exposed to a culture besides your own...narrow minded whiners.
Get a bloody grip! My children go to a Welsh school should I next complain that they are taught English songs. Heaven forbid children should be taught about other cultures and religions. Hang on a minute...,
Parents fury? Free culture exposure is how this should have been looked at but instead is viewed as an assault on some of these parents inability to understand their kids.
"That is very, very odd..I suppose they are catering to the immigrants, but the immigrant children really need to learn english first...then a second language.", they speak pretty good English in Poland and Lithuanian...
This is about an International Festival with songs in different languages which will be sang by all children. There is also an english song so I do not understand the fuss. I had to learn Frére Jacques, May There Always Be Sunshine (russian original) and Old MacDonald had a Farm at primary school and was not reduced to tears.
sur le pont d'avignon, and frere jacques my school in the 1950s not a french kid in sight but I loved singing them have a heart for the poor Lithuanian kids not there fault they are in UK .Children are the same the world over ...innocent
And what are you teaching your children Clare Eve? That they should just sing British songs, not learn other languages and be intolerant of others. I'm sure they will do really well in life with that sort of start. Why don't you home school if you're that bothered I'm sure you have a wealth of knowledge to impart. NOT
I learned German and Russian in school and then English at uni...more languages you know better future for you ahead.
This is the United Kingdon
You know what you have to do at the next election, people.
Eight year old children have difficulty learning their own language?? They came home crying because they didn't understand the words of the song, really!!?? Never heard such utter rubbish!
"Children were being taught the lyrics for an upcoming international singing festival" So let me get this straight. These parents are upset that their children are being taught some international culture? What exactly is the problem with singing in another language? Why would the children be so upset? This whole thing stinks of thinly veiled xenophobia.
How awful for them, being exposed to other languages, broadening their horizons, possibly helping them develop linguistically! How dare anyone think they should learn or enjoy anything other than English. Purlease! My siblings and I not only went to a bilingual school but were also taught songs in other languages. To this day, my sister still knows the lyrics to the SA anthem - Zulu and all - and it hasn't held her back, if anything she's now fluent in 4 languages.
I am happy for my child to learn a song in another language and if possible able to speak another language.I know some few words in some languages and when I meet people from those places,when I say somethings in their language,they are shocked.I like that surprise and look of shock on their face.
I can see absolutely nothing wrong with exposing children to another language and I am sceptical that the children were crying because they did not understand the lyrics! When we were in primary school we were taught French songs and none of us (including some of the teachers, I am quite sure) knew what we were singing about - never mind some of the hymns that were in latin. It was just enjoyable and fun! Britain is changing, whether we like it or not and while I absolutely agree that British culture and English language should be our primary concern, it is also becoming increasingly important to integrate other cultures which are now a major part of our community. The songs were to be included in a concert, which presumably had many other songs in English. This does not diminish our "Britishness", but rather adds to our country's diversity.
The UK is gradually being taken over by Eastern Europe.
These parents need to get a grip. Whatever people think about immigration, I actually think it's good that children are learning about other cultures. Otherwise we'll end up like Nazi Germany.
one world and no different from singing freres jaques like we all did at school. Teachers just cannot win with moany parents like these
I would love to speak Lithuanian and Polish, I am so jealous! Polish and Lithuanian people speak good English in there countries so what is wrong with out children learning their language?
The point here for people citing Fere Jaques, is that when we learned the French ditty at school, the class was not filled with French speaking children! The Latvian song is, no doubt, a step too far for the parents of British children outnumbered in the class by children from another a Nation.
All children at any school the world over should be integrating into the local culture. Nobody should be encouraged into mutlicultural ghettos and apartheid by "Show racism the red card" gauleiters. Could one of the gauleiters suggest the name of one multicultural democracy that has remained in harmony for the more than 100 years. An answer on a stamp will do.
Would they mind as much if it was a french or spanish song??? When i was at school we had to learn the Hallelujah chorus which is in latin. I still know the words but for the life of me have no idea what they mean. I didn't cry about it either.
Guess what folks it's part of the eyfs and every child matters frame work and its also part of learning about other cultures. I am a student in an infants school where they are encouraged to learn different greetings including polish. It helps bring everyone in the school together and teaches the children that everyone is special no matter what. For those people who keep saying where has English gone in our schools? It's still there, children who have English as a second language are supported to help develop their vocabulary skills in this area.
I am trilingual and grew up with the Polish language, but I can totally understand how these parents feel. At the end of the day, this is Britain where English is the first language, along with Welsh and Gaelic, and the EU five are *hopefully* the modern languages offered at schools. All other languages are for Saturday language schools. Migrants cannot just arrive at a country and take over the education system this way. My family never expected to, and neither did my husband's. Singing songs in non-EU five languages in this way is divisive, not educational. We all sang Frere Jacques at school because we were supposed to learn French!
20 years ago my son learned a song in Urdu. same difference.
I think these parents are just making mischief. The children are taking part in an international festival, what's their problem. It can be exciting for children to learn songs in other languages, my grandaughter was so proud to sing a song in Spanish and when I was at school we learned a couple of songs in French, it did not take over our identity for goodness sake get a life and choose your battles more wisely. Influence your kids in a more positive way and work with the school this way you can influence the really IMPORTANT decisions regarding your children's education.
The problem is not children but their ignorant parents. That was International song contest. But the problem is they hate foreigners. Yet they probably fly to Benidorm every summer.
Floods of tears! Really?! No offence but these kids need to man up a bit. Heaven forbid they ever watch Dora the Explorer and learn a bit of Spanish, they'll be wailing. They'll be scarred for life from learning frere jacques! People love complaining for complaining a sake.
No doubt these parents are the type that holiday in Benidorm as they don't have to bother learning another language. No thought given to how it may make other children feel welcome. No doubt they are sat on their backsides whinging about people from other countries 'nicking our jobs' while claiming dole. Well, the rest of us would rather have them here instead of you....... I would suggest you alter your idea of the typical benidorm holiday maker, i holiday in the benidorm region every year and love it for its mix of european cultures, i am a highly educated man with a good well paid job.
Rather than create a divide, the school are doing something that's all inclusive. Instead of the constant Eastern European bashing by the DM, they should be looking to support things like this. The Eastern European's are here to stay whether people like it or not so i think it's wise that people embrace their culture rather than dismiss it with some over-exaggerated tripe. If people take the time to spend some time with a Pole or Lithuanian for example; you may find that they are not much different from yourself.
What's the problem?Learning a different language is always interesting.
Erm are we not in england? if we have moved when? cos i must of been a sleep for years
Were parents really furious? Were kids really in tears because they couldn't understand the song? Come on, get a backbone. Kids get taugh different languages, odd songs, all sorts of things, I fail to see the problem here. It may even help them make friends with their migrant schoolmates.
no no no if you live in this country you learn our language, our songs etc NOT OUR BENEFIT SYSTEM
Do they object to "Frere Jacques"? I'd be delighted if my children learned songs in other languages. If they don't understand the words, they can ask. Learning about other cultures and languages is good for children, and there's certainly nothing to cry about. What's wrong with these people?
Oh for heaven sake. Children coming home in floods of tears? Yeh riiiiiight! It's an International singing festival. Grow a pair, learn the song and get over it. It's good for them to know other cultures. Frere Jaques anyone?
So are there any German children at the school? Surely it makes sense to teach the children a language they can use on a daily basis. in addition I believe that it's the case that having learned one language other languages are easier to pick up. As for the comment about how young the children are do these parents not realise that the countries that teach the youngest children a foreign language have the most skilled linguists? In Norway children start learning English at the age of six.
UKIP 100% come on everyone UKIP it's the only way to stop this crap
Clare Eve - if your 8year old is struggling to learn her OWN language, she is spending too much time in front of a computer and not enough time in conversation with you and yours, love!!!
But parents do not seem to mind there little ones singing: Frêre Jacques! or even the german christmas carol: Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht! (silent night, holy night) - so I can only guess the issue is singing an east european childrens song..........a pity that people get riled over a childrens song when here are more pressing issues and challenges facing todays society.
Migrants come to the UK should be only taught ENGLISH. Don't forget you have to learn ENGLISH to get your free handouts now. I'm not raciest in anyway but our country is the only one who seems to bend over and take it. Yet the British are being left out as it is all handed to migrants. Have they ever paid into to our system. No, no wounder our country is becoming skint.
Wow. Just wow at all this outrage about a song. When I was at school in Holland in the 70s we learned songs in English, French and German and nobody swooned. These parents really need to join the rest of us in the real world.
Oh for crying out loud!!! So the kids learned a song in a different language??? So, what's the big deal?? When I was a kid in school, we had to learn "Frere Jacques" - a song in French. Just about every school child has had to learn that one. And of course, how many learned Christmas songs like "Adeste Fidelis" or "Stille Nacht" in Latin & German - a lot, I'll bet. It's not going to hurt these kids to learn a song in a different language - it might even prompt them to learn more about Lithuania, Poland, Greece & many more. Grow up, people. There are many, many things to get upset over - this is NOT one of them. Look at it this way - at least these kids learning something. Too many sit in school all day everyday & learn absolutely nothing. Get a hobby people.
What's England coming too? You tell them Clare! :-)
Narrow minded sad people. My 4yo is already familiar with 3 or 4 languages, he loves it and it enhances his education. I likes to learn about other cultures. He will develop excellent language skills from early exposure, this is proven.
Soon this will become the norm, I don't think it's right, do overseas schools teach English folk songs in English there??? I don't think so.....
Is this a joke? At primary school we were "forced" to sing French songs. I still have no idea what they mean but they did not do me any harm. I wonder if it were French these kids were learning it would be okay, some people can be very discriminatory to Eastern Europeans and its just not on! My son loves in the night garden and I've been forced to learn their songs and its not even a language!
This once great Nation is a pathetic excuse now
I can see absolutely nothing wrong with exposing children to another language and I am sceptical that the children were crying because they did not understand the lyrics! When we were in primary school we were taught French songs and none of us (including some of the teachers, I am quite sure) knew what we were singing about - never mind some of the hymns that were in latin. It was just enjoyable and fun! Britain is changing, whether we like it or not and while I absolutely agree that British culture and English language should be our primary concern, it is also becoming increasingly important to integrate other cultures which are now a major part of our community. The songs were to be included in a concert, which presumably had many other songs in English. This does not diminish our "Britishness", but rather adds to our country's diversity.
Cry? Because they cant understand it? Really? I learned songs in all diffrent languages... What does it matter?
Oh get a grip! Do you think the Lithuanians mind you singing Xmas carols? Same difference.
Well done ladies!! Why should our kids have this forced upon them
Did our parents show FURY when we learned Frere Jacques or Sur La Pont D'Avingon or Waltzing Matilda .....The Beatles, Madonna, The Black Eyed Peas, ABBA, ELO, Blondie have all had songs with Non-English Words......How do you people think the French, Germans and Dutch, The Chinese, The Serbs, The Lithuanians and the Russian learn English so well.....You Look the sort of idiots who would agree when asked if you were angry.....Still, let your kids languish at the bottom of a pile of fools rather than bury you prejudices and encourage them to try other languages.
It's just the thin end of the wedge.
Stupid teachers. Let them eat cake. When I was a kid in Scotland I had trouble understanding the accent as we had been in Hong Kong before that and they told my mother that I was thick but they then realised what the problem was. I think some teachers are just thick.
Good god! What in earth is happening in the UK? The inclusion we should be teaching is how to come to the UK, abide by our rules, learn the language, pay taxes and respect the native population.
Inclusive or taken over? Eastern europeans who choose to live here,while they are still permitted, should speak english and have their children educated the British way.If they don't want to do that, residence here is not compulsory. This attempt at political correctness to help a deeper understanding is never going to work.These Wisbech parents are representative of many UK parents who have watched while their own childrens futures are sacrificed to help those from afar. We are way past compromise.
Hang on... "International Singing Festival". I would take from this that the children know that they are to be singing songs in different languages, and if there are pupils from Poland and Lithuania then why should the school not choose to represent those countries too? I used to love things like this at school, especially the dressing up part! And it's nice for young kids to learn about different cultures, the fondness stays with you. This situation is like if my mum were to complain about the time I was dressed up as an Ancient Egyptian and taught hieroglyphs...
You CANNOT force multiculturalism down people's throats. People did NOT ask for this, of course they will be extremely upset or does it not matter if you're English? I speak Spanish, French, German, but because I opted too I was NOT forced. Just in case anyone has forgotten this is BRITAIN we speak English here and that's what should be focused on as many foreign individuals I have come into contact with do NOT even understand the word, excuse me.
It never fails to dismay me the way that some think the world is only their back yard. I cannot imagine a school in the world today that does not teach the value of music in any language. Perhaps, this is the village in the UK that refuses not one but all music from other countries, ie, Italy.
Sounds like the WAY the song was being taught was the the problem. Kids should be crying after a music lesson!
Wouldn't happen in France
The festival sounds fantastic. These parents are being ignorant - did they never learn Frere Jacques or Alouette Gentille Allouette at school? Or is it just Eastern European languages they object to. I bet by the time they are 12, the Eastern European children's grasp of English is far superior to many of the English kids' - at least they value education.
Nothing but english should be taught in english schools if immigrant parents want their children taught in their own language then they should pay privately to do it .
As long as they re taught songs in another language. AS WELL as in English, is it not a good thing to expand a child's horizons , it is when another language becomes the dominant one within the school that people should worry
I think it's a great idea - learning about other cultures is an enriching experience and will help any migrant children to settle in by helping the local children with the song.
English speaking skills aren't a priority - especially as it seems to be a prerequisite for getting a job as a carer in the NHS.
What is the country coming to, an English school with English children teaching a song in Lithuanian. They should be teaching the migrant children English, oh yeah I forgot you can't do that, it's not politically correct and might offend the minority.
I remember singing freres Jacques when I was a child, a French song. It didn't make me cry only interested in finding out we what the words meant. These kids need to grow up, or is this parents being Ott again?
If we are after a true multicultural society - this is GREAT - its language which connects people :)
It's a SONG... they're not asking them to give up their British citizenship. It's an INTERNATIONAL festival. Learn about other cultures and nationalities or you'll end up like your parents, kids.
I don't see what the fuss is about. When I was in school (I'm 20) we learnt songs in French, Spanish and German! I think it's good to teach children tolerance and acceptance of other cultures from a young age - maybe there'd be less of the racial attacks so often in the news recently.
So what about all the songs in English and other foreign languages pupils have to learn for example in Germany? Do you believe we learned English by singing german songs? I remember even a song in hebraic, hava nagila hava, which I liked very much to sing. Learing song texts means that you have to train your brain nothing more. And it is a kind of nice gesture to the pupils with eastern roots if there classmates learn some habits from their culture.
Schools can't do right for doing wrong. I was taught Frere Jacques at school 20 years ago and my parents didn't march up to school and complain, they didn't go running to the press either. I dont believe the children were in floods of tears either but thanks to their mummies they get to stay in school to do extra work while the rest of the school take part in a wonderful international music festival. These parents need something better to occupy their time.
I learnt Frere Jaque at school and had no idea what it meant - I really don't see the problem with doing a one-off song in another language... I think there is a bigger problem here and the English parents are resenting the amount of non-English speaking people in the school/town. They are sounding a bit petty by moaning about the song though.
It's no different to us learning Frere Jacques in primary shool, way back!!!
These people have come to the UK and should integrate accordingly. If you want to sing in Polish etc., stay there!
Oh c'mon now it's a song... Yes I think you should only speak English in an English speaking country but I always was interested in learning a new language. It is educational after all...
Oh please, "children in tears because they couldn't understand the song"? I'm a primary school teacher in Amsterdam with predominantly immigrant kids in my classroom and I've taught them foreign songs, including English, French, Hebrew and Surinamese songs. Did the children get upset? Of course not, they loved it. Because children love singing, especially in a foreign language! I'm guessing this has a lot more to do with the parents than with the children or the school...
Might as well learn the immigrants languages - English will soon be a minority langage in this country - thanks Tony!
my son schools was having the festival were the pupils were singing songs in Japanese and few othere languages-they were happy to learn and they had a great time...I understand tthat everyone is obssesed with people from abroad living here but seriously. ..didnt we all learn frerre jacke at school?
Wake up to the concept that the minorities rule and then make your voice count. Vote in elections; write to local papers; collaborate with neighbours; etc.
Oh for goodness sake!! We were taught songs in French as kids, it's called culture! Get over it, learning a sing in another language won't hurt your precious darlings.
I was taught 'Frere Jacques' as a child and my parents didnt cry about it...God forbid children would learn about a culture other than theirs!
I see know harm in learning a song in a different language. If we all learned just a little bit of each others cultures, perhaps there would be less prejudice and hatred in the world.
I learned Frere Jacques in school and was hardly scared for life despite not really understanding the lyrics. Did Gareth Malone not have primary school children singing the opening of Carmina Burana which is in Latin? Music is an international thing and long may it remain that way.
An international singing festival sounds ok. We did one at school and learnt something about other cultures. Not sure why the kids were crying though. They sound a little bit pathetic to be honest
We were taught a french song when I was at school, I don't remember anyone objecting to that. Silly small minded people, letting their own political agenda get in the way of their children's fun, education, development and understanding of different cultures. Sad really.
Came home because they didn't understand the words? What a load of rubbish. Many foreign children are taught English songs in their home country and they don't go crying about it. Foreigners bashing all over again.
Seems all one sided to me. ...if the parents object, their children will ber main in the school. This is obviously a sign of the times, and just guess where the school places the most value. Very worrying and very divisive.
Heaven forbid their children might get to learn about other cultures!
Children being taught to sing a song in Lithuanian or Polish is not a problem, however teaching children to be xenophobic IS a problem. We live in a multicultural society now whether we like it or not, and teaching children different languages is an excellent way of broadening their knowledge base. I feel very sorry for these children having such narrow minded parents to be honest.
RIGHT - FOR THE FINAL TIME - THIS IS ENGLAND. OUR NATIVE TONGUE IS ENGLISH. ANYONE THAT DOESN'T LIKE IT, KNOWS WHAT THEY CAN DO.
Frère Jacques,Frère Jacques, Dormez vous?Dormez vous? Sonnez les matines,Sonnez les matines, Din, din, don!Din, din, don! Anyone else remember learning this in England during the 70's
Im surprised English is still taught in uk schools these days since its becoming more and more a minority. Ive seen warehouse job advertises in polish or marked 'polish speakers only' and have heard of works using translation apps on their phones to understand their workforce... this madness has to stop!
Parent outraged that children are educated in foreign language at school - you couldn't make it up! When I was at primary school I learned Fere Jaques (brother John ... Awful spelling I know), I didn't understand the words either, but didn't cry about it. Also had to learn Adeste Fideles - again I had I idea what I was singing. My daughter came home from primary school having learned "hello" in Polish, and "happy new year" in Chinese. These parents are ridiculous ....
i suppose they all came home from nursery crying when they learnt frere jacques as well! for goodness sake its a song! if it was in spanish or french it would be seen as advantageous to learn something in a different language. the fuss is because its in polish and that hits a nerve with parents who object to the number of students from that country in the school.
I cannot see much wrong in children singing a song in another language. I had to sing in French and there were no French children in the class. The Baltic cultures have some great traditions but we always follow the US and spend thousands on Prom nights and send children out trick and treating on Halloween.
Oh get over yourself. Its an INTERNATIONAL festival. The name of the festival should've been a hint. Jeez. And now they have also been taught the meaning of the words. My parents didnt give a hoot that I as a Muslim had to learn "oh come all ye faithful", or that one day i was Sita in the Diwali celebrations and that my brother was Santa Claus when he was 5 for the Christmas Play. Gods sake.
What is it with these leftie teachers. Why do they feel the need to suck up to everyone else's culture and at the same time play ours down?
What has happened to so called 'grown ups' these days? My sister and I learned the French Nursery Melody 'Frere Jacques' when we were at junior school in Leeds. We learned the words, sang the song and enjoyed it.. Grow Up.
Surely it should be the other way round., the migrant children should be singing in English. They are now living in this country with access to everything paid for therefore they should follow this country's curriculum. There are lots of migrant eastern European children attending a school near to me and when it is school times all the parents chatter away in their own language, not attempting to help their children, consequently more teaching time is needed for these children
Your comments:what is wrong? It's just a song?!! My eldest just graduated kindergarten. They sang in English, Spanish and Hebrew! The same song. The kids loved being able to sing in other languages. It's not going to harm them. It's not a religious school. It's not even a very multi-cultural school. Just they decided to "show-off" their skills!!! Get a grip!!
Not one of us went home in tears when we were taught Frere Jacque. What a bunch of wimps kids are these days.
Burying your head in the sand and shouting "pull up the drawbridge" will not change the fact that European integration is the inevitable future of this country. Young people embrace and enjoy different cultures, so this is no hardship on them whatsoever.
That is very, very odd..I suppose they are catering to the immigrants, but the immigrant children really need to learn english first...then a second language.
Integration via song. is it such a bad thing. After all we DO have the Eurovision Song contest. And all the youngsters are being taught not only how to sing in a foreign language, but also the meaning of the words they are singing. It would be worse if they knew not what they were singing about. Can't think of a better way to 'bridge the gap'. Only the parents are the ones complaining. But then . . . .
Nothing wrong in learning a second language ..
We the British public know why the NHS is crumbling. The job market almost non existent . The beautiful countryside is being built on. The economy sliding to zero. How is it the politicians can't see or understand this (or maybe don't want to). IT'S TIME TO SHUT THE DOOR AND GET RID OF THE BLOODSUCKERS. There are some very fine and good workers who come here and integrate well with us. BUT we are only a small island. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH MR CAMERON. Be bold and strike out for England!
I think the British economy relies a lot on cheap laborers from East Europe.
- Real , London, United Kingdom, 04/12/2012 21:30 I have to agree with you and with the rest posters, too.
I wouldn' tmind but many of them are not even friendly and are here to line their pockets not make friends outside of their race. It will end up like Brussels a load of strangers who have nothing to do with each other.
My husband applied for a job in Budapest recently, but was told " Sorry, we only employ Hungarians". - Charlotte Freedom , London, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 22:11 Same as Spain and France, Shame our government are traitors to its own people
Tell us something we didn`t know.We have to live with them. The Government needs to Shut the Door. The UK is Full UP. Go Away.
Want to blame anyone: you all voted for the governments that allowed this to happen! Time to rename your group of islands as there is no place for "great" anymore. Bristih culture has been sold to the devil!
@ - Old Chap, St Georges Grenada WI, 5/12/2012 10:22 ==>" As Britain is not a member of the Schengen Agreement which created the borderless zone of the EU and we do not have to let these people in to Britain. So can someone tell me what's going on here. W
We will end up just like the Yanks, a Heinz 57 of NO IDENTITY
I can already see a boom in the market price of larders converted to fully self contained studio flats. Each containing a double decker double bedroom and a kitchen convertible to a wet-room. And that with walls dividing windows, as already is a practice... Every little helps...
we have been taken over and i thought we won the war obviously i was wrong.
My husband applied for a job in Budapest recently, but was told " Sorry, we only employ Hungarians".
Well send them all back ASAP as we are FULL and I mean FULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My husband applied for a job in Budapest, but was turned down and told "Sorry, we only employ Hungarians" !!!!! He was very upset. R.C.
Things were fine until th Romans arrived (martin the runaway celt)
Only God owns the planet. You can live anywhere you want without your human right harassment.- Claire, Somewhere in London., 5/12/2012 5:32 +++++++++++ You really believe that do you, why then do they pass through so many countries to get to Britain, why not settle in one of the many they pass through or their way here.
If we have over a Million of these now Europeans well for all those that draw benefits the bill should be given to the President of the EU not to the tax payer of these Isles, as we do not want the vast Majority herethis country is on its knees with this over burden of Benefit seekers as it is the nation that is suffering not our gutless MPS who were not given permission by the democratic System as they are not suffering one bit (but we are)
we really have had enough for gods sake. vote UKIP.
Get us out of the EU, otherwise this country will die.
Bunch of free-loaders! If they do come here and we're forced to house them instead of building houses on our lovely, rolling countryside that's not only enjoyed by everyone and must be preserved for wildlife, growing food for the already-expanding population here as well as other reasons, why not put them in Portakabins/shipping containers stacked one on top of the other on disused brownfield sites that are going to waste - job done. Also ref: the comment: 'If EU workers are so hard working why can't they make a success of their own country.' Get us out Lincoln - 17:11 5/12/2012. You hit the nail on the head with that comment - couldn't have put it better myself.
No benefits unless they have already earned them. If EU says this impossible then- STUFF THE EU (They can go to any other EU country but preferably Brussels)
The next election...local or national....do something about it. Most wil still follow the herd.................
To trixiemoo, please educate yourself (re: ,inter alia,TFEU) before posting such atrocious and ignorant comments...
The term "RATS IN A BARREL" comes to my mind, thank goodness I don't have any children as they would have no hope and no future thanks to the eu.
Why not send a million of our own worthless lay about to their countries under the same garauntee that they have free housing health service and loads of bennifts then we want have to build all those houses on green fields, I garauntee we may have the best bargain theirs work ours don't. I to will be voting UKIP next time.
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it. - Real Istbear, Brighton, 5/12/2012 10:12++++++++++++++ IS THIS REAL? IS THERE REALLY GOING TO BE A DEMONSTRATION AT NOON ON 5TH JAN? WHO IS ORGANISING THIS? WE NEED INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHERE WE CAN GET CONFIRMATION? - True Nationalist, dorset, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 12:31 You should put this in the comments every day so everyone can see it
- Stu Pidd , Smarter than the ave DM reader, 05/12/2012 19:47 - We could make a start by kicking out all the STUPID people!
- betty ms , london, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 18:35. There is only one safeguard and that is to leave the EU. Our current politicians will not do that.
- Happy Harry, LA LA Land, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 19:35 - They will also be traitors to all who suffered and/or gave their lives for the freedom of this country. Not only are we sending billions out in Aid, EU contributions and welfare to people's kids
Let's start by kicking out the Scots, Welsh and Irish.
UKIP are the only party who will stop all this nonsense. This sort of thing is an affront to any right -minded Brit.
If any Government lets this Happen then they are TRAITORS to ALL OF US.
@- Ted , Teddington, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 18:23 Couldn't have put it better myself! I feel physically sick at seeing this country become a free-for-all for those who seem to despise us and the world is laughing at us. Which countries are doing best 
- hassan2k12, London, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 17:54 What do you mean "OUR LAND"?
What most people do not know, is that if you or I were to go and live in any of the above countries they wouldn't give a damn if you starved homeless on the streets. There are no benefits in any of the other EU countries, and the UK is seen as a free ticket, a bit like winning the lottery. So why are we allowing them to come here and take ours. If they have not worked for at least a year or more and contributed to the state in taxes then send them home. We should be more like the US and basically if you don't have a job waiting for you, you do not get to stay!
Blair's legacy. This is why this country is now in the state it is.
THIS MILLION ARE TOO EARLY AS WE HAVE NOT YET BUILT THE NEW HOMES FOR THEM>VOTE UKIP AND PUT A STOP TO THIS MADNESS
No.1, I wonder why the nhs cant cope, No.2. Two guess's who will get put to the top of the housing waiting list. The tories slammed labour for opening the doors but until they shut them they are no better! Mayday 2013 EU Referendum vote please!
Why are there no safeguards in place to prevent excess numbers all flocking to one place?
No wonder the green thumb comments are from the north. All lazy sitting on you backside doing nothing but moaning and complaining about who does what and who has what. Move on with your life and try to turn it around from miserable to something interesting, you will be better off. It makes feel nausea when I hear you talking on behalf of the taxpayers whereas we know you pay peanuts in comparison with London who is keeping you up. I am able to say that because I am from London and I pay £20000 a year off my salary. - Brainless, Mars, 5/12/2012 13:57=============YOUR NAME SAYS IT ALL. NO DOUBT YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN HERE OR YOU WOULD SEE THE ROADS, TRAINS BUSES CHOCKER WITH WORKERS, AND NOT THEY ARE NOT FROM EASTERN EUROPE AS MOST OF THOSE ARE DOWN SOUTH TOO.
If EU's people come here doing the voluntary work at least for 5 years, that will be great, but if to settle and try to get the most of this country, we may be have to think a solutions before all Britons get worse in the economy. May be should start from now on.. people who come in 2008, not allow to get jsa, or any benefits if they never done voluntary those years.. so at least it will put them off. if starting from now, it is too late,..
It feels as though no-one in power cares about the future of this country. I have read Agenda 21 Lisbon Treaty and we are being led by councillors and politicians into the abyss. This has been a long time in the planning and is gaining momentum with house building and knocking benefits, pushing out the needy and welcoming the fresh and cheap EU citizen to take our place. Every step of the way is being planned and carried out by our elected and non elected leaders. Today in this northern pennine town I saw a lady wearing a sari. Bet she was cold.
And will they be able to send home to their mother countries our benefit money funded by the taxpayer as do the Poles and other nationalities......Wonder how many servicemen now dead would turn in their graves thinking what this country has become....A cesspit for the world......Our troops, including my grandfather, fought the Bulgarians in the Great War and now they will be entitled to come over here and virtually spit on his grave.
VOTE UKIP - GET OUT OF EUSSR NOW!
The only way to stop this is by voting UKIP. The other parties will not give us a vote on Europe so it is our only way of stopping this human tidal wave .
Don't build on green land. They're not worth it. If the stupid Labour Gov. hadn't let the Poles in, England wouldn't be in this mess. There was no need to let them in. Germany and Austria refused and so they've all gone to England even though Germany and Austria are a lot closer to Poland. Everywhere you go now, you see them (i understand Polish). They are in all the service industries, even in places like Southport and Scarbourogh. I keep thinking when I stay in a hotel that if I had wanted to come into contact with so many Poles, I would have gone to Warsaw or Krakow instead. Of course, they're doing the jobs that the lazy resident population won't do because they woud rather - and the last gov. was more than willing to let them - live off taxpayers. Too late now - the damage has been done and heaven help England when the Bs and Rs arrive - a fresh massive crime wave!!!! DON'T BUILD ON GREEN LAND. LET THEM SLEEP IN THE STREETS OR GO BACK HOME!!!!
There is only one way, have a referendum and get out of EU.And send back to their country. Unfortunately Cameron dosn't have the guts to do it,, but on today budget british people have to pay for bulding new hoses for immigrats. Where the english pride, has gone?
NO, NO, NO!! Is that loud enough for all those government members permitting this influx, with holiday homes overseas to escape to, to hear?
democracy has ended ukip a false hope
I've persuade my two sons and their families to move to Switzerland and we shall be going too. Britain is not a nice place to bring up children anymore.
With take home pay in Bul/Rom running to 200 euros a month, and millions unemployed can't see that 1/2 million figure holding up for long. After all why do you think the restrictions where introduced in the first place.
Now you know why cuts are necessary and this includes reductions in pension allowance.
Stop paying them benefits.Stop giving them houses. They will soon stop coming here. Then look at all that are here already,who have never worked and never paid in and start sending them back to their own countries.We would soon have more money in the pot and enough houses. When this is completed then start looking at those british born who won't work. Instead of taxing the workers to the hilt.
Get us out of EU and give us back our country
Utter disgrace that Theresa May is 'powerless' to do anything to stop even more of these 'additional' people arriving here - I don't want to sound bias but not only are these 'additional' people an economic drain on this country, there will be a likelihood in an increase in crime too. Last night on the news at 6.00 it was a reported there was a significant rise in the number of homeless people, particularly in London, when the reporter was interviewing two young homeless men I noticed that these young men were British. Point: People born and bred in this country are not given help when times are hard, with the homeless given little hope of being rehoused in the near future, compare that with those 'additional' people who are given a home as soon as they arrive here. If more homes are being built we might as well kiss goodbye to England's green and pleasant land.
If EU workers are so HARDWORKING why can't the make a success of their own country ???????
Stop building to accommodate these people .If there is nowhere for them to live,perhaps they will think twice.Especially with present weather
Stop building to accommodate these people .If there is nowhere for them to live,perhaps they will think twice.Especially with present weather
"""The day this country is out of the EU (I hope so, to be honest, we don't need you), the day I buy a ticket for Norway or the Netherlands. Nicer people, less xenophobic. By far. - grossundhart, Hobbiton, United Kingdom
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You do realise that Norway isn't a member of your beloved EU, don't you? I wonder, did you intend to make a fool of yourself?"
Welcome to the benefit dustbin . The only escape is U.K.I.P.join us fruitcakes and loonies as that ideot call me dave calls us at the next election we will see who is smiling.
Lets hear again Mr Cameron the benefits to the British people of membership of this lunacy call the EU?
Our own people are accused of 'queue jumping' when asking for council housing, I know it happened to me! My family can trace their roots back 500 years + in the same county, so we are obviously not entitled to any help from the state!!!!!!
...and still people want Labour back in power.
GB stands for guillible bleeding country vote ukip
OMG have just read that the DHSS have already opened offices in these countries to help them with their paper work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If this is true then we have no hope in this country anymore!
"The day this country is out of the EU (I hope so, to be honest, we don't need you), the day I buy a ticket for Norway or the Netherlands. Nicer people, less xenophobic. By far. - grossundhart, Hobbiton, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 12:4" So what is stopping you from leaving now if you hate it so much? Genuine question.
David Cameron praised Mr Boles for raising the issue. And backs building plans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This man does not give a damn about being re-elected because he knows that there will be no need for an election in 2015!
Oh the lies you can tell with statistics!
One word. UKIP
Vote UKIP then!!
Get UKIP in power, Get out of the EU, close our borders, bring our soliders home, change our benefit system so you have to work if you want to live in this country. Just an idea of mine, my family, friends, colleges and most people i know.
Get UKIP in power, Get out of the EU, close our borders, bring our soliders home, change our benefit system so you have to work if you want to live in this country. Just an idea of mine, my family, friends, colleges and most people i know.
One word. UKIP - jaffacakefuel , London, 05/12/2012 12:40 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is the level of intelligence of UKIPpers. Would you say that "GB" is a word? I would hope not so why do you think UKIP is a word? Is is just 4 letters
The irony of it is, if the situation was a carrot the EU would have rejected it. Everyhting must be halted while we have an inquiry to ascertain these figures and why we have not been given them, which means we should be ready no time soon! Very shoddy practise by the EU. Misery for the people who pay it's way.
Stu Pidd. You seem to be talkimng from somewhere between the cheeks of your backside. To a certain point I agree that the benefit scroungers need to be dealt withbut leave the retired people alone, the majority of them have worked all their lives, paid their dues and demands and are entitled to the state pension. It is the likes of those who are on benefits but yet tell lies to get more money. Sadly tghere far too many 'swinging the lead' in our country and is has been going on ever since national health service was introduced back in 1937 and people then were greedy.
UKIP is our only hope. There's nothing wrong with these people: good, honest and hard-working but we simply cannot go on accommodating more and more people in this tiny land of ours!- Andrew H , Exmouth, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 13:22..........True but you'll find like the Republicans your up against not only a hostile liberal media but a large section of the country who would rather vote themselves more welfare and Labor back into power.you see its far easier for them to gain power by promising the gullible something they know the country can't afford then you trying to get them to face reality.
It works both ways. I was made redundant in November 2011 after 24 years as a Customs Officer. When those 5,000 jobs were cut in UKBA an enormous amount of extremely well trained and experienced staff went out the door. We had all started in Customs & Excise which was a world away from the mess that is UKBA. I realised that Britain had absolutely no job opportunities to offer me. I was only 43 and I didn't want to be going from temping job to temping job. I informed in no uncertain terms that I wasn't entitled to any benefits either. So I left. I am now happily living and working in Prague. I feel far more valued here than in the UK. One of the great benefits of the EU is that you can live and work anywhere in it. I am very grateful to have had the opportunity to start a new life here. If Britain took time to value its own people first then we might not have this situation. As it is, thousands leave each year and most of us vow to never return.
people that want to be there , are already thre , just don;t pay any tax now, now they will legalize
Tony Blair and the Labour Party have a lot answer for..!!!!!!
Stu Pidd Nice to see you living up to your name .
Now tell us where and to what level this is reciprocated within the EU. It is one-way traffic Hundreds of thousands of british nationals have no great desire to move to many other EU states. And if they did, they would be self supporting and would not expect (or want) to be wet nursed. As most other EU states are Net Recipients, we are paying for them there and we are paying for them here.
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it. - Real Istbear, Brighton, 5/12/2012 10:12 Is this real? Please confirm! Who is organising it?
most if them are significantly better trained , educated , harder working and have better customer service skills than the Brits who used to do the jobs (or would not, because they are too lazy and would prefer to claim benefits) . - pete, Brighton / Those who have a good education and skills can usually achieve a higher standard of living in their home countries anyway (a fact of life everywhere). It is the uneducated ones who tend to move because they know they can earn far more or receive benefits well exceeding anything they'd get back home. That's the bottom line truth. Do you really want the majority of people in Britain to be like that? A glorified third world nation?
And how many from Pakistan,India andChina.at least a lot of the Europeans come here to work,not live off benefits.
Mass immigration to an extent which is now too great to ignore has not come about by accident or by oversight. It has been a deliberate policy, callously implemented without regard to the capacity limits of our schools, hospitals and social services. It is an instrument of the globalists' programme to eliminate national identities that has been put into efffect by our Quisling politicians. They fully intend to destroy the historic population mix of these islands; in large parts of the country they have already succeeded.
I would send them and many more back home, that would reduce the benefit bill and make for an easier budget
Even harder than you yourself,BumersonDent? Shame on you!
This is a disgrace do not let them in
Funny isn't it the amount of red arrows someone will get for pointing out that a lot of EU immigrants actually work, pay tax and NI in to the system, yet there are a lot of home grown people who do not work and receive handouts? Yet no one seems to mind them? If someone works then they are contributing to schools, hospitals etc, someone who doesn't work contributes absolutely nothing. The only solution is a cap on immigration and people coming to the UK have to have a job. And our own people should receive cuts in benefits if they do not want to work.
that will happen only in the begining , after many of them will come back in home countries. Many people who will arrive in UK don't realy know what can expect there, the wage there is so bigger then in uk but in bulgaria and romania one box of cigarets is 2e , the beer is 2 euro , so less salary less expencess. the life in these countries is not so bad, the most have his own propreties, no rents to be paid. Here is just one problem Uk should change the system to don't be so easy foreigners to take benefits , and who's for work will work who's for just taking benefits will back home. and there is other prob , they are 7y. in eu , till now they should make their wages bigger . I'm bulgarian I live in macedonia , and im going london 3 times in year , i love London , but for me life is so easier here i will never move there
should do all we can to help them and make them feel welcome.- Fatherofthree, Belfast / Belfast would simply not be big enough and I don't think your fellow countrymen would be very happy handing over the rest of Northern Ireland either. Still it's the thought that counts and I'm sure the millions heading over will be reassured that the best place to head for is Belfast. Not to mention native Brits in England, Scotland, and Wales.
Is that one million that we know of !!!!!
The UK is DYING, if anyone has at least one intelligent brain cell then vote UKIP !
No wonder the green thumb comments are from the north. All lazy sitting on you backside doing nothing but moaning and complaining about who does what and who has what. Move on with your life and try to turn it around from miserable to something interesting, you will be better off. It makes feel nausea when I hear you talking on behalf of the taxpayers whereas we know you pay peanuts in comparison with London who is keeping you up. I am able to say that because I am from London and I pay £20000 a year off my salary.
Bye Bye Britain,
I can tell you that these figures are wrong anyway. There is more than 155 000 Romanians and Bulgarians in UK right now. Way more. I can't see another so called wave of immigration coming over here. Its not the 70's, we live in civilized world with open commonwealth market and UK is a part of the EU. It's market, people are coming and going. UK Government should be more concerned about the number of single mum's, the number of hooded uneducated youngsters and the number of children in an normal Muslim families. These are the figures that all British people should be worried about, not the number of immigrants that may come but also my not. Because simply whoever wanted to be here from Romania and Bulgaria is already here and works and pays taxes. There is urgent need of correction in the benefit system. Nobody from these countries must be given nothing until they are proven good taxpayer and citizen. Then the problem isn't that big, is it?
There is also a visa liberalisation process that has progressed quite some way with Turkey. So even if Turkey does not join the EU (earliest date 2023) long before this it is likely that 73 million people may have access to the EU via the labour market.
I think it's wonderful that these hard-working people with a get-up-and-go attitude are willing to invest and take part in our economy. All the complainers have to do is to move out to other EU countries and see if your skills are equally appreciated by the local populous abroad. We need this kind of investment and entrepreneurial skills that these people are bringing with them to get the economy back to a firm footing - salerio, horsham, 5/12/2012 12:46------------------------- What planet are you on? We have 3 million unemployed people in this country the majority of which want to work, are hardworking and have a get-up-and-go attitude and are ashamed to be on benefits. How many jobs would be created for BRITISH people if all EU citizens left the UK? We as a country can not afford to carry on paying to house, medically treat or support all comer's from the EU. We are rapidly running out of resources and it will get worse as we allow more people to come here.
Vote Official Monster Raving Loony Party to end this madness.
Today, Bulgaria and Romania, tomorrow T u r k e y, hold tight
what have these people brough to this counrty other than crime and begging...
Stu Pidd -- you're a muppet - pity we can't get rid of you!
Re; And most if them are significantly better trained , educated , harder working and have better customer service skills than the Brits who used to do the jobs (or would not, because they are too lazy and would prefer to claim benefits) . - pete, Brighton If that is true then why are they all fleeing their own failed Countries surely if they are so skilled, clever and hard working then their would be no need to bail out on their own Country to come to the Promised land England?.
A brilliant comparison "Kilnpit-Anchor" , Conset (12.47)....we acquire thousands of penniless, illiterate, individuals, the majority of whom will demand thousands of pounds of benefit payments from the UK taxpayer annually while Spain, Austrailia etc acquire self-sustaining skilled workers or retirees with pensions to spend. You're not a Labour politician by any chance, are you?
If you want to move to other parts of the EU they impose restrictions, so why can't we? Most EU countries have a requirement for newcomers to register their presence when they arrive, so at least they know who's come. Most countries don't give free healthcare to all, you have to pay into the system to get anything out (e.g. France, Spain, Cyprus etc). Cyprus says even EU members can't live there unless they can support themselves (I'm sure other countries do too). Why does only the UK follow the diktats of the EUSSR? No wonder we are a scum magnet for the rest of Europe .
Re: Our politicians are to blame for this mess. Is there something sinister going on in the corridors of power? - Ray Smith , Nottingham, 05/12/2012 13:29 Absolutely!.
There is one word I'll use to describe our country now, it begins with F and ends in ed.
Can we get that Berlin Wall back up please! We'll come over and rebuild it ourselves. We have an abundance of tradesmen here whose jobs have been stolen by Poles!!!
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it. - Real Istbear, Brighton, 5/12/2012 10:12++++++++++++++ IS THIS REAL? IS THERE REALLY GOING TO BE A DEMONSTRATION AT NOON ON 5TH JAN? WHO IS ORGANISING THIS? WE NEED INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHERE WE CAN GET CONFIRMATION?- True Nationalist, dorset, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 12:31 - - - I would attend. ------------------------- If this is real I would attend too and I know many other who would and they'd protest peacefully.
Our politicians are to blame for this mess. Is there something sinister going on in the corridors of power?
Surely we the British people must be entitled a a vote about staying in the EU. Watch out Labour/Lib Dem and Conservative this gives UKIP more seats and as they are the only party that are prepared to do anything about this disgrace then they deserve all the votes they get.
WE DO NOT NEED MORE HOUSES, WE NEED LESS PEOPLE - Peddlin Pete, Hull, 5/12/2012 12:40>>>>>>>>>> Particularly less British pensioners and less British benefit scroungers.
UKIP is our only hope. There's nothing wrong with these people: good, honest and hard-working but we simply cannot go on accommodating more and more people in this tiny land of ours!
Tick, tick, tick, BOOM.
For goodness sake why don't the Politicians acknowledge what has to be done in a time of crisis? if they can't work it out - just listen to the instructions from any airline "In the event of an emergency, fasten your OWN seat belt, before you fasten any dependants travelling with you" Well Politicians, the world is in free fall - so buckle up, close our borders and get ourselves right first, because if we crash land there will be no need for you lot!
No British Government has ever been given Consent to Join the EU therefore our involvement is ILLEGAL !
UK is finished if this gov let all these people in
"And most if them are significantly better trained , educated , harder working and have better customer service skills than the Brits who used to do the jobs (or would not, because they are too lazy and would prefer to claim benefits) . - pete, Brighton
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You have already admitted that you are not from this country - so what does it have to do with you anyway???"
The East Europeans are not like us. They work hard and save their money. They are showing us British shirkers up. They must GO!
Tomorrow Romania and Bulgaria, the day after Turkey, be prepared
This is Britain's role in the EU. Open borders, sign posts to GB, idiots ready to give them whatever they like. Other countries in EU happy to have GB dealing with the problems of 'their' open door policy. All the social problems we have had for many decades have been exacerbated by the irresponsible open borders policy. Our politicians are such cowards. They talk about how the benefits system has effectively infantilised people and made them dependant on the state, but are unable to see that membership of the EU has infantilised our politicians and high up civil servants, to the extent that they are literally unable to make any decisions based on what is good for OUR country and OUR people. Ours is a small country. We are going under for many reasons, but this is the biggest betrayal trust. This is a fine revenge for Germany and France, no bombs, just an endless mass of people to sink us Cowards, hiding behind the EU.
British benefits and council houses for BRITISH benefit scroungers.
It has been a benefit in my opinion , I have just built an extension using polish builders , much cheaper and better quality than British builders I have used before . Also , a place like Brighton would grind to a halt if we could not employ Eastern Europeans to work in the hospitality and care sectors .
- sootyjack, Liverpool, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 12:55. I suspect you are right my friend. They know exactly what they are doing. The more Brussels and Westminster flood us with European immigrants, the less likely we are to win a Referendum to get us ou
And after the Romanians and Bulgarians come the Turks, get ready
Why not deny access to NHS/ welfare for everyone that hasn't paid taxes for in the previous 5 years of at least 100k? Hell, why not make it 10 years? Immigrants can use private insurance and if they come here to work, there's no need for welfare, right? I'll put my money where my mouth is and vote for that! Of course, it's only fair that if they're not getting NHS/welfare, they shouldn't be taxed for it, right? That shouldn't matter though, since as we all know they only come here for NHS and pay no tax, the treasury will have a net gain, won't they?
There might be 1m Eastern Europeans living in the UK, but do readers know that over 1m left for Spain, and 1.2m for Australia in the last 12 years. Most of the eastern Europeans I have met have been hard working, intelligent and entrepreneurial - more than I can say for a lot of the indigenous population.
this is total madness allowing these people here. how dare these idiots in power treat our country like this. we want out of the EU now. not promises in five years time now .and the only party that will do that is ukip NOW FOR OUR COUNTRY SAKE VOTE THEM IN
Surely you can take more in? Give them a house, furnish it, give them a car, then pay them a wage (the dole) for their working life and finally put them in a care home (all paid for), plus free medical when they want it. Can't understand why they all head for the UK...can you? - Bob le Bulder, France, 5/12/2012 12:45 Hello Bob le Builder......blame our politicians, they keep telling everybody that we are the best country in the world, for a futher confirmation of it see also London 2012, can't say anymore.
this is total madness allowing these people here. how dare these idiots in power treat our country like this. we want out of the EU now. not promises in five years time now .and the only party that will do that is ukip NOW FOR OUR COUNTRY SAKE VOTE THEM IN
I think it's wonderful that these hard-working people with a get-up-and-go attitude are willing to invest and take part in our economy. All the complainers have to do is to move out to other EU countries and see if your skills are equally appreciated by the local populous abroad. We need this kind of investment and entrepreneurial skills that these people are bringing with them to get the economy back to a firm footing - salerio , horsham, 05/12/2012 12:46 ....... Yeh right, the high streets of Towns and cities in the UK are really crying out for yet more Off licences selling cheap vodka and in some cases illigal bootleg alchol. As for entrepeneurial skills, we have no shortage of home grown people with those tallents, 3 million unemployed, and University graduates stacking shelves at tescos. The only people who want to keep upping the population are business's and governments, who want as many people as possible to exploit and tax. Most sane people want the population redused greatly
Britain for the British! This is what we say in Spain, France, Italy, Thailand...
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it. - Real Istbear, Brighton, 5/12/2012 10:12++++++++++++++ IS THIS REAL? IS THERE REALLY GOING TO BE A DEMONSTRATION AT NOON ON 5TH JAN? WHO IS ORGANISING THIS? WE NEED INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHERE WE CAN GET CONFIRMATION?- True Nationalist, dorset, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 12:31 - - - I would attend.
Don't just say - "We should get out the EU now" - that will get you nowhere - it's like pleading to be let out. You don't have to "plead" with anybody .... "you act" - you vote for UKIP.... and get ALL of us OUT. Never (ever) plead - never beg - never ask ..... YOU ACT.... with an unstoppable and - determined vengeance... and it happens.
with the economy in such a state and cuts everywhere how can we possibly afford to take more people living on our overgenerous benefits system. EU membership is an unmitigated disaster for the UK. UKIP all the way for me!
Some comments suggest that those at the top don't know what is going on - it is my opinion that THEY DO, but the situation carries on because they GAIN FROM IT. While they are voted back in nothing is going to change.
It's not helping this sort of reporting ...
Some comments suggest that those at the top don't know what is going on - it is my opinion that THEY DO, but the situation carries on because they GAIN FROM IT. While they are voted back in nothing is going to change.
Thanks Labour for opening the floodgates.............
We have a Czech in our office and he works the hardest by far. - BumersonDent , London, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 12:19..........................Says a lot about you!
Folks, if You voted for this mob then You have no right to complain.......(!) - alan , beverley, 05/12/2012 10:03.........................That's similar to saying if you buy a new fridge and it is faulty you have no right to complain. How do you know it is faulty before you get it home?
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For LG Berkshire: ...Simple really....they want to work....ours do not. - David, Stansted, 5/12/2012 9:05 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ They want to work, but they don't want to pay tax and they do want to send money 'home' to their relatives. They live here for the money, not out of a desire to live in the UK. If they come here to work that is fine with me, but they should pay the right amount of tax, they should not be entitled to benefits and they should have a limit on how much they can send 'home'.
The problem with this whole EU debate is that WE the public are never told the plus or minus side of being in the EU so we can never make an educated guess as to what we should do.. but SOMETHING needs to be done, and quick !!!
I will be voting UKIP.
Equally I'm sure there's a huge amount of Spaniards,French and Australians etc,who wish that Brits would clear off from their countries too.........(and who could blame them??)
Change the rules on claiming welfare NOW. Or not only shall we be bankrupt shortly, we shall be unable to feed either ourselves or them.
So do all these migrants have a good work ethic then? I ask this because we seem to be importing scroungers now and their are still people who claim eastern europeans are good for the economy whilst ignoring the correlation between migration and unemployment figures
Why bother learning English whem you live in an Eastern European enclave in the UK. Much the same as large parts of your inner cities where the main spoken languages are from the Indian sub continent. It seems like your government does not give a damn whilst you are just expected to conform and shut up.
I think it's wonderful that these hard-working people with a get-up-and-go attitude are willing to invest and take part in our economy. All the complainers have to do is to move out to other EU countries and see if your skills are equally appreciated by the local populous abroad. We need this kind of investment and entrepreneurial skills that these people are bringing with them to get the economy back to a firm footing
Sometimes I really hate how racist and xenaphobic the people can be. and they will claim they are not racist. but their behaviour is appalling. who cares if they were born here or not. we would ruin their lives to send them back. some of the comments are sickening, who are you to write these things about eastern Europeans in general? the majority will help our countries economy as efficiently as you. their countries are losing out on their working age citizens and their country is suffering a brain drain and we are benefiting from them. I am proud our country has the benefit system the housing system NHS and in Scotland free education. its what makes this country so much more appealing to live in than others. if I lose my job the state will help me feed myself and my son. heaven forbid I find myself homeless the state will house me and my son. if my son or I get ill the NHS will heal us. I live in Scotland therefore my prescriptions are free and I have enrolled in university for free.
So people who work hard and pay taxes shouldn't be allowed into the UK? The majority aren't hear to claim benefits, that's obviously the God given right of people who are born here and don't want to work or contribute anything to society. Do you honestly believe people travel hundreds of miles to come to the "promised land" of Great Britain and claim benefits? Do you think people in Easter Europe live in wooden huts hunting wild boar, dreaming of living in a council estate? If only Brits had the same work ethic as some of the people coming here.
Well, you did vote in Labour 3 times, this is the consequence !! -- - mindblower , perth, 05/12/2012 12:30 -- I have never voted labour in my life.
Harder even than you,BumerstoneDent?..Shame on you,you are letting us BRITISH down!
Surely you can take more in? Give them a house, furnish it, give them a car, then pay them a wage (the dole) for their working life and finally put them in a care home (all paid for), plus free medical when they want it. Can't understand why they all head for the UK...can you?
@ vman London Funny how Brits work the longest hours in Europe, but yeah you keep peddling that loony left lie about work shy Brits.
What a bunch of morons commenting and refering to themselves as "White British". What do you think you are, a dog breed? Your father was Irish, your mum is German. Aunty is Dutch. Get it: People are people regardless where they are from. People pay taxes? Yes? Then end of the problem. Problems come from POLITICIANS not dealing with issues quickly enough, not with individuals that come over here. Personally, being Spain, I am tired of British complaining. I pay my taxes (nearly 500 pounds a month), for you, for your hospitals, for your so so useful Royals and for the impossible roads you have. I didn't cost you a penny: I came here with my PhD under my arm and my experience. I make rich British investors, and that is how you say thank you? The day this country is out of the EU (I hope so, to be honest, we don't need you), the day I buy a ticket for Norway or the Netherlands. Nicer people, less xenophobic. By far.
We must come OUTof the EU NOW and send home all illegal immigrants NOW
I am sick to death of reading articles like this. These immigrants have not contributed to the tax system in any way so should not be allowed benefits till they have at least 3-5 years of tax contributions depending on earnings, they should also have to pay privately for healthcare and dentistry while they are here for a number of years. If they cannot afford to do this then they should not be allowed to enter the country - period!. Any who do arrive here and do not conform to the law should be deported immediately along with the rest of their families. Im beginning to utterly detest this country i really am.
Please people vote UKIP, or this country will sink into oblivion!
This makes me sick to the foot of my stomach , and the people who opened the doors and practically ruined the country MUST be held accountable . - Jako , Glasgow, 05/12/2012 12:16-----------------Your grasp of economics is clearly matched only by your grasp of anatomy.
One word. UKIP
How many men and women have died these last few thousand years defending our shores from invasion? Now Blair and Brown have opened our borders for entry and give them houses and benefits! Well Mr. Blair/Brown when will you apologise to all those who died against the Romans/Vikings/French and Germans for nothing? A greater crime there cannot be! ..... and in Browns, case just for votes. I feel sick; especially as I believe the vast part of the British population agrees with me. Hurry up UKIP!
WE DO NOT NEED MORE HOUSES, WE NEED LESS PEOPLE
If you're worried about someone taking your job who a) doesn't speak the language as well as you and b) hasn't had the same privileged chance at education as you, then you only have yourself to blame. - Simon Heffer, On the veranda, 5/12/2012 8:45.......................... Not if the employment agency is run by, or exclusively staffed by foreigners, as many are nowadays, where it is quite possiblly the case you will be overlooked for a vacancy based on your nationality, assumedly based on the common assumption that all 'Brits are lazy'. Yet another heinous bi-product of the previous governments great social engineering project, perpetuated by their followers who persist on trotting out this falsehood to make themselves feel better about contributing to the death of this once great nation. Many refuse to accept that Britons can be discriminated against in their own job market, but they most certainly are.
Right, time is nigh for a rebellion!
We do we need any more of those who have nothing to offer this country and only come here with selfish intentions to gain benefit - especailly those from the EU who we cannot prevent from entering. Another reason why we need to get out of the EU.. We do need selected top rank business people from elsewhere and others with similar talents to enable this country to flourish.
And the rich will get richer as under 1% of the population own 70% of the land, something you expect from a third world dictatorship -- an absolute disgrace in a modern educated country. I urge everyone to read "Who Owns Britain" by Kevin Cahill, it will open your eyes
What a comical article. So 98.5% have not moved here. 66 out of 67 are not living here. Talk about inciting racial hatred but DM readers live for that.
Nick Bowles needs to get his act together. We do not want any more foreigners settling here.They have already caused the biggest problems ever to this country.They have contributed nothing to the UK,and so many have put our own people out of work,and also scrounged money off this government. If they want to come here,they should have at least £50,000 in the bank account,and also have a skilled jon to go to immediately.They should also be told there is only private accommodation here for them,and they will have to pay from their own pocket.
George from Middlesborough...Absolutely Correct....and since they will all be multiplying ( even at this very moment ) its time for the British people to take a firm stand.... .Let's see queues of electors outside their M.P.s surgeries,each telling them WE DON'T ACCEPT THIS SITUATION...and,for all you UKIP supporters,I shall be voting... BNP!
Hello is anyone in charge of the UK? Hello anyone there? Sorry I can't hear anything? Does anyone know what is going in? Oh I give up!!
The E.U. open border policy is destroying the U.K. and our political leaders are doing nothing to protect this country or our people.The majority of people want out of this madness and Cameron does nothing, his weasel words are worthless it's time for the rank and file members of the conservative party to tell their M.P.'s to dump him before it's too late.
This is unbelievable.We should get out of the EU now. What a betrayal of those who fought and died in the war.
Bet none of them live in Oxford, where Cameron resides though.
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it. - Real Istbear, Brighton, 5/12/2012 10:12++++++++++++++ IS THIS REAL? IS THERE REALLY GOING TO BE A DEMONSTRATION AT NOON ON 5TH JAN? WHO IS ORGANISING THIS? WE NEED INFORMATION ABOUT THIS, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHERE WE CAN GET CONFIRMATION?
The DM is one of the few sectors of the media which tells it as it is, don't expect any serious debate elsewhere. - John of Warrington , Cheshire, 05/12/2012 11:31 ........................ sorry that should read "expect serious debate elsewhere, as all you get here is scaremongering, made-up statistics and lies".
A sad case of double standards here,at least the vast majority of these migrants actually contribute something to the UK economy (amazing how hundreds of thousands can find the jobs that our lazy parasite level bums cannot). I don't hear many commenting upon our "migrants" who settle in Spain/France/Australia,how wrong that is? All they seem to wish to do is create sad little ex-pat cliques,congregating amongst themselves and not even bothering to integrate with the natives of the aforementioned countries they choose to live in.If where you now reside is so great,haven't you got anything better to do than to go onto UK newspapers online websites? On a separate note,to follow my comment at 9:02, I'm pleased to report to all of you who knock these people,that our business has thrived thanksin no small part, to their efforts,they're a fine advertisement for anyone considering employing one,I would very highly recommend them to you over most of our own...
Well, you did vote in Labour 3 times, this is the consequence !!
The country is full as it is! This madness has to stop!
And THIS just shows that this lot have NO forward thinking.------ There is far to much FLOODING and IF this lot ARE concerned then they woiud see that the MORE GROUND THAT IS COVERED THE MORE FLOODING THERE WILL BE because the water has NOWHHERE to drain into.-- Even a child at school can see this YET this lot can NOT .------So much for their Brains.------ It is long past the time that we PUT up the barriers NO MORE scroungers .-- They put nothing in but expect everthing for nothing and the includes the NHS AND this lot GIVE it to them PLUS a LOT more
Get us out of the EU and the ECHR and get rid of these immigrants. We were never asked if we wanted them here and now they are here our country cannot cope. No benefits for immigrants unlesss they have worked for at least 5 years, only accept immgrants if they have a legiimate work permit and the company must prove that a UK worker could not do the job. I am sick of this and the last government pandering to the EU and their insane laws and regulations. They will not be happy until Britain is on its knees. Get us out.
Everyone has priority over us Brits, "2 World Wars" so what ? Don't expect gratitude from this new influx either, its their right to housing and benefits......20 years of PC madness has enshrined that, the only ones benefiting are Human Rights Lawyers etc
15 million people died in two world wars to keep this country free, Succesive govenments are insulting their memory, I can only imagine there disgust.
Immigration is an issue but this is sensationalist reporting at its worst / best. Saying something may happen and it actually happening are two separate things. There are plenty of areas left to develop before the countryside comes under threat. This is pure scaremongering, pandering to the xenophobic who's knowledge is gleamed from the DM and the DM only.
so thats why there are no jobs for youngsters here. This country is now the cesspit of the world, any rubbish seems welcome here. Britain RIP
Are their that many 'big issue' seller jobs available?
We have enough! This needs to stop! It's really quite embarrasing.
Out of 2.24 million EU immigrants, 1 million are from the A8, which means that the majority of these EU immigrants AREN'T from the A8, but are instead from other EU nations such as Spain, Italy, France, Germany and Ireland. Why is no one is complaining about those guys? Especially when their own columnist says that people from the A8 "[they] have been praised for their strong work ethic" and "filled roles the UK's jobless would not do"?
What a joke - enough is enough we are full!
Just what will it take to say enough is enough. There is now a growing resentment in this country to mass immigration, not because people are racists or any other stupid labels people want to put on it, but because people are getting worried as to what will happen to this country in the future. There are not enough jobs, homes, school places, dentists, doctors, or hospital beds to help everyone, and most people are getting sick and tired of seeing their taxes going to help people who paid little or nothing in to system. I feel sorry for people with Kids, how are they ever going to find work when all jobs are being snapped up by people arriving in this country. It's not right. If we keep accepting people in to this country at the current rate, something will eventually have to give. It's absolutely crazy. Government needs to wake up or we all need to vote collectively and get out of Europe because that is the only way we can halt immigration to allow things to settle down.
We have a Czech in our office and he works the hardest by far.
Out of 2.24 million EU immigrants, 1 million are from the A8, which means that the majority of these EU immigrants AREN'T from the A8, but are instead from other EU nations such as Spain, Italy, France, Germany and Ireland. Why is no one is complaining about those guys? Especially when their own columnist says that people from the A8 "[they] have been praised for their strong work ethic" and "filled roles the UK's jobless would not do"?
We can't even house our own citizens, let alone a million outsiders. This will finish off the UK for good. Is there a plot to destroy this country or what? It really is a crime, but not as big a crime as keeping quiet and letting it all just happen. It looks like the sleeping lion is actually dead. RIP UK. - Punched, Manchester, 5/12/2012 11:47 Yes there is a plot and it has been going on for years. The socialists have long dreamed of the day when Britain can be consigned to the rubbish bin of history. All the main parties are now shades of the Liberal Left, so don't expect any help there.
And 70million Turks have their bags packed and are waiting for the wink from Call Me Dave.
Most sensible countries would put up a sign saying, 'SORRY, WE'RE FULL', bolt the door and leave it at that. Why don't we?
"Most of them work hard and pay taxes" Really? Tell that to the Polish lads who tried to steal my boyfriend's tools from the back of his van right outside where he was working. When he chased after them and threw his tape measure through their car back window the Police said they could do him for criminal damage! What is happening to this country?! This is an ISLAND! Too many people here ripping us off and bringing down wages and quality of building work. UKIP all the way.
".....................And allowed to VOTE on what will conveniently be called "EU-relevant issues" they may be enough to swing a referendum on Britain remaining within the EU or getting the hell out of it. That is IS WHY they are encouraged by both Brussels AND our own "government" to come here.- Old Robert, Worcester UK, 5/12/2012 11:20" SPOT ON! I am against what the EU stands for and I am a UKIP supporter/voter; however, I also FIRMLY believe that in the event that LibLabCon DID give us a simple 'In/Out' Referendum, I am sadly certain that the result - genuine or otherwise! - would be 'In'. The demographics of this country have been changed by unfettered immigration to one of a definite left-leaning. Those that come here with no intention of ever working or contributing to the system will not vote anything other than Labour.
Take in your washing and lock the doors!!!
you mean 20 million
This makes me sick to the foot of my stomach , and the people who opened the doors and practically ruined the country MUST be held accountable .
AND ALL CLAIMING BENEFITS FOR WHICH WE ARE PAYING FOR. THIS SIMPLY CANNOT BE TOLERATED ANY LONGER. ENGLAND HAS BECOME THE WORLDS DUMPING GROUND.
Think this is an advertisment .HOWEVER ,IF THATS WHAT IT IS THEN WE WILL VOTE OUT OF THE EU RATHER THAN A CHANGE IN RULES .
Romanians are a Latin nation and everyone who migrated already is in Italy or Spain so stop whining. Your lovely greenery won't be invaded by hordes of angry Eastern Europeans. On a more serious note, please think about how the politicians are using your fears to gain some votes while diverting your attention from the real issue - your economy is dying while you worry about some people 2500 miles away.
The LibDem plan to allow unrestricted street trading and door-to-door selling is now explained. There are no real jobs here for a new influx, so the LibDems cunning plan will allow these people free rein to earn wherever they can. Great Britain. THE END.
So people who work hard and pay taxes shouldn't be allowed into the UK? The majority aren't hear to claim benefits, that's obviously the God given right of people who are born here and don't want to work or contribute anything to society. Do you honestly believe people travel hundreds of miles to come to the "promised land" of Great Britain and claim benefits? Do you think people in Easter Europe live in wooden huts hunting wild boar, dreaming of living in a council estate? If only Brits had the same work ethic as some of the people coming here.
Serves the tories right, they will soon start 'bleating' about mass migration when their lovely green belt areas are buit on with social housing projects. Tell you what tory party, how about our promised vote on europe? I'm voting UKIP in the next election, it seems to be the only party left that puts this country first.
All on benefits & those that work are on minimum wage with tax credits, housing benefits & child benefits!!!! Absolute disgrace - UKIP please, urgently...
It's no good asking the Home Office how many new immigrants will arrive as they won't have a clue and any figure they do give will be hopelessly wrong. Just look around at our cities, towns and villages and see how the previous estimate of Eastern European immigrants was way off the mark.
Thanks to politicians who pay absolutely no heed to the people they are supposed to represent, of whom poll after poll shows that they are against the levels of immigration we are being forced to put up with - this is going to end one way and one way only - violently. Very violently. And the idiots who keep trotting out the same tired old rubbish that anyone who isn't a huge fan of immigration is a racist or a xenophobe are just as much to blame since it is their attitude that has stopped any debate over the issue. Now, it is too late.
Come here with nothing then stave - no benefits for non Brits. No access to NHS services. No access to housing etc. The ONLY thing they should get free from us is a single ticket back to where they come from. Watch them leave like the rats they are.
Home office and UK government were busy to restrict non European immigrants but to be honest European people actually damaging UK social life as well as job market. Also they are easily able to access British benefit system!!! But remember benefit system is really hard for non European people so now we should stop blaming non European people. It's actually east European people taking lead of British benefit system. In job centre plus you can see there are loads European people looking for job seeker allowance. I am a student paying £9000 cash to my university every year and already paid £27000 (dads money) in total but look at European people they pay only home fees and have access to apply for finance. Home office should restrict them right now otherwise UK will no more for British people.
This all makes me so angry! Why has someone allowed our country to get ruined? No turning back now and its only going to get worse
Seem to be wasting my time.... Nothing I comment on is getting printed/shown. I must be telling the truth.
As soon as I open my mouth on this subject,I am either censored or red arrowed,nevertheless you can't get away from the facts.The Eu and several goverments(Labour being the worse)have totally altered the face of Britain,England especially,whether you like it or not,this is tantamount to social engineering at best,at worst it amounts to ethnic cleansing.The Majority of people did not ask,nor want immigration on such a huge scale,the problems it has brought,far outweigh the positive aspects.We cannot cope with the impact it has had on,housing,schools,health and law and order,those who disagree are either Eu sycophants,or live in a parallel world,either way,we must find a solution before those these policies have left behind,ie the indigenous population,decide enough is enough and bring rebellion to our streets,don't like the truth,tough,because it is not going to go away.
One answer - vote UKIP.
A great deal of comments on here are written by people who are simply limited and ignorant. Check out the latest figures on how much it's been contributed to the British economy by immigrants and how much it's been taken out! The difference is significant! We contribute much more in tax than you might think. And this has became a trend now. Spare some time and look into it in greater detail. The results year by year are astonishing. It's just so easy to complain!
And most if them are significantly better trained , educated , harder working and have better customer service skills than the Brits who used to do the jobs (or would not, because they are too lazy and would prefer to claim benefits) .
this needs to stop, why can't they stop this
James Slack - you are a total idiot.
All people should only come if they have a job. In indian British my parents came here 35 years ago been paying tax all their life. For people to come here. And take handouts discust me - asina , London, 05/12/2012 11:38 ... So, you might have lived here for 35 years, and you still can't type or spell english?
And most of them work hard and pay taxes... by doing the jobs which lazy british dont want to do...- tarun145 , london, 05/12/2012 11:53 Absolute rubbish
Lets take a lesson from Egypt and Tunisia and bring Britain to a standstill until 1: We get a referendum, 2: Overseas aid is stopped, 3: Our borders controlled, 4: The people of Britain are put first. Our hard fought rights and sovereignty have been flushed down the toilet and I have no idea what for. The brave who fell in the wars have been betrayed, we owe it to them to take our country back.
Increased urbanisation on this scale will destroy our quality of life!
Worth reading the Leverson Report before you believe this. The Daily Mail got panned for completely making up anti-immigration stories. You are being lied to in order to feed your bigotry.
It's not the immigrants that are to blame - it's the politicains who allowed all this to happen.
get out of EU and kick them out . claim your country back from the imbeciles.
1 million,what did liebour say 50ooo? They are here for one reason,everthing is free to them. But its not free,we pay for it and now we cant use it because all the money is gone. So who is at fault? And what do we do to stop it? Whilst in the EU we cant,so there is only one answer. Our MPs seem reluctant to leave the EU,it costs a fortune and drains money like a bucket with no bottom so why dont they want us to leave,its certainly not for our good to stay. Troughs and snouts in,is the short and only answer. Anyone have any better reasons? Vote UKIP.
If only more political concern and assistance was shown towards the increasing number of home grown nationals living on the streets of major cities, and those unable to secure housing. Perhaps then emigrating to the UK may not be so attractive if some sort of priority was established. (Dream on, not likely to happen I know)
1 million TRY MORE LIKE 2-3 MILLION..EVERYWHERE HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER!!!!
Lets take a lesson from the Arab Spring and bring Britain to a standstill until 1: We get a referendum, 2: Overseas aid is stopped, 3: Immigration is controlled, 4: The people of Britain are put first. Our hard fought rights and sovereignty have been flushed down the toilet and I have no idea what for. The brave who fell in the wars have been betrayed, we owe it to them to take our country back.
GOD NO, NOT MORE......we must find a way to stop the pillage of Britain and breeding out of its people. Tony Blair and the treacherous left in their trendy gated communities must be so happy watching working class Brits getting shafted.....we need to do something about this anti-British, stinking sinking EU suicide pact....before its too late...
KristyV London 1131 Quite right, and if all the Poles, Bulgarians, Romanians etc. etc. were doing the same, i.e. providing their own houses and claiming benefits from their own countries there wouldn't be a problem. But they're not are they?
this is the madness that our politicians have signed up to since joining the EU. the madness goes on and on and is leading ordinary people to financial disaster.we need to be saved from the MAD POLITICIANS
Just wait for the figures next December and not taking into account the number of illegals and asylum seekers here and who will get the new houses first?.
How the Tory Party will win the next election by a landslide is to promise within one month a referendum on membership of the European Community and a complete moratorium on migration from the member states
The Conservative Government have no chance of being re-elected for allowing this state of affairs to continue. It is about time they woke up - forget the Big Society and concentrate on the dangers of unrestricted immigration.
What right have these idiots got to give away OUR country. Has it never occured to them that some of us still care about OUR country. We don't need any more scroungers arriving in OUR country. The Tory party will never see government as a major player fo decades. UKIP seem to be the only ones that care.
We just have to vote UKIP next time. It is a simple as that, hopefully.
Britain WILL be inundated with Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants because Brits are EASY pickings!!
It just gets worse and worse. These loonies that call themselves a government will do absolutely nothing to help the indigenous people of this country - vote UKIP!
Looking forward to Turkey joining so as their all in it together and stand back and watch the balkans all over again .Then we will all come for you in Gov. Better start spending your money on security guards for your homes.LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO FREDS HOUSE FOR A LOT LESS
And most of them work hard and pay taxes... by doing the jobs which lazy british dont want to do...
The DM is one of the few sectors of the media which tells it as it is, don't expect any serious debate elsewhere. - John of Warrington , Cheshire, 05/12/2012 11:31>>>>>>>> I've just spat out a mouthful of coffee! You should take up a career as a comedian, John.
Nvm extra taxes to pay for housing and health care.
Labour isn't beholden to wealthy big busines owners, their money, which is far less, comes from unions, it is individually collected from each member . Most of these members don't want cheap labour competing with them and keeping wages down - Poppy Clarke, Croydon, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 10:51-------------In which case it follows that those members are either unaware, or have no issue with the fact that Labour and the Union leadership are idealogically committed to multiculturalism. Therefore - tough.
It's Simple. If you want to live here then fine, but you are NOT entitled to benefits, heathcare or housing unless you are in employment. This should also be back dated to get rid of the paracites that immagration has attracted.
Folks, don't forget that there are millions of Brits living abroad Spain alone has about 3 million of them to cope with.....(!)- alan, beverley, 5/12/2012 9:56 - - - - - - Yes, but the vast majority are not dependant on benefits. They are retirees who support themselves with their pensions. They bring money into the Spanish economy, they don't suck the system dry.
Get out if you can. We did , best move we made, and we,ve integrated into our "new life" joining our little community with out trying to change it, GB is finished as we knew it, thanks to our stupid short sighted politicians.!
We immigrated to Australia a British Commonwealth Country in the 50's - we immigrated for my Father to get out of the Mines we where health checked before entry into Australian waters, my parents had to fund themselves in accommodation and FUND it My Father worked as a bus conductor then he went caol mining again we came home after 21 months due to my illness we paid our own fare home, mt parents paid for a visit from the doctor to me twice a day NO FREE Health care, now you can NOT get into Australia without a work Visa even we cant and its still in the Commonwealth which in a simple way is like us belonging to the EU.....................I voted the last lot out to help sort out this immigration mess all my vote did was pee in the wind, I think a campaign of NON payment of Council tax should commence its our council TAX that funds this mass influx of undesirables from Eastern Europe......BRING ON THE REVOLUTION!
Folks, don't forget that there are millions of Brits living abroad Spain alone has about 3 million of them to cope with.....(!)- alan, beverley, 5/12/2012 9:56 - - - - - - Yes, but the vast majority are not dependant on benefits. They are retirees who support themselves with their pensions. THeyt bring money into the Spanish economy.
Hahaha........13 years of lefty socialist dictatorship followed by a limpwristed traitor to th Uk are to blame for that. Good luck UK and you wonder why the UK is almost bankrupt. Imported voters keep idiots in power,which keep the welfare bludgers where they are and keeps the ever increasing roll of immigrants coming. Look at the US he did it to keep in power and also legalising weed in tow or three states just prior to elections. There is only one chance now UKIP if that fils you are surely doomed forever.
I thought we live in a democracy
You can thank your Queen for this, she signed all the EU treaties.
We can't even house our own citizens, let alone a million outsiders. This will finish off the UK for good. Is there a plot to destroy this country or what? It really is a crime, but not as big a crime as keeping quiet and letting it all just happen. It looks like the sleeping lion is actually dead. RIP UK.
Sorry Mum and Dad,Sorry to all my uncles and aunts,my grandparents and my great grandparents who suffered hell through two world wars so that i could be free.I have allowed that hard won freedom to be taken from me with little or no fight against the agressors - cimawr, ammanford, 4/12/2012 16:45' - steady now, all the postwar generations & especially the boomers voted for this and created the intellectual climate that it was desirable, and that stigmatised all opposition as 'ignorant'. We're just the ones who (too slowly) wake up in the mess - just about the time the money runs out and the debts they ran up are about to be called in, too...
And soon we'll have millions or tens of millions more. When are our MPs going to stem the tide? We cannot keep everyone in the world for God's sake. We're bankrupt. When are our politicians going to look after the British people? Who'd have thought that our MPs would turn out to be the most treacherous influence on our nation?!
This results in money flowing out of the UK economy. They come over take jobs from Briton's and instead of spending their money here it all flows back to eastern Europe. Curbs must be put in place. - TS, Aberdeen, 5/12/2012 9:36>>>>>> And what about the millions of ex-pat pensioners living abroad spending their British pensions and winter fuel allowances in other countries?
Nu-Liebour let in 3 million immigrants, but under Nu-Liebour, house building was at its lowest since the 30's. Hence the rocketing in house prices and increased levels of stamp duty for the treasury......thanks Tony.
This has been going on for years and the Great British Public just continue to vote for same self-interested politicians year on year. No-one can claim that they don't know what is happening and I despair of my own government telling me that they are powerless to stop it. Politicians are not powerless they are spineless. Just take back our sovereignty and withdraw from the EU. Although I hate to say it, I am ashamed of a whole Nation that sits by and lets a bunch of spineless people ruin this country. This is a time for people to turn out onto the streets and make the politicians aware that things have to change. The French do it. The Italians do it, the Spanish do it, the Greeks do it and so on. But the British just sit at their computers or TV and whine. I wish I was 20 years (or perhaps 30 years) younger !
And cameron expect to be re-elected the lying waste of space no chance UKIP for me from now on. we need to shut the door and shut it now
Expect many more stories like the ones you have read where people launch racially motivated attacks on trains, buses, and just about any public place. Tension is growing, and once normally restrained people will suddenly find their pent up resentment gushing out uncontollably. It has already begun, the videos are out there, but we do not want it to happen this way. People of Britain UNITE. Let this Government know we want an end to immigration the way it currently is. Tell them in a way that they cannot fail to understand, and give them no choice but to make the necessary changes. We need a platform where we can be heard, where the length and bredth of the country can be informed of pending action, where and when it will be taking place, so everybody that wants something done can take part. I would not like to find out when it was too late that I had a chance to join in and make my feelings known, but did not know.
Aynon , One reason for the politicians doing nothing is they want a federal Europe and then one world government. Another reason is they will make a fortune on the EU gravy train for their treason to this country. They also are quite happy for the EU to rule us while they do very little for the salaries and expenses we pay them to do our bidding but just ignore us. Democracy is dead in this country. A SHAW, SCOTLAND
What about our Human Rights?????
Trust the Mail to only point out European immigrants! What about the hordes of non European ones?
The British media,especially the left wing BBC often refer to UKIP as a one trick pony.I do not agree,but even if it is true that will do for me and a large majority of the British people.Cameron ,Miliband Farage,I know who I trust the most VOTE UKIP.
Scary
Where are we getting the money to buy the new houses, schools, hospitals, roads etc - WE DON'T HAVE ANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vote UKIP
"That's 1.5% of the population of eight EU nations" It's also 100% of the population of Estonia and about one quarter of the population of Ireland. What's the point of that silly statistic?
"Somebody has to pick the turnips and clean the bogs. - harry hart, Cheltenham, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 11:16" True. In the UK the majority of us think we are too good for that kind of work, especially the younger generation. But it needs doing.
Wouldn't be necessary if the government grew a pair and denied benefits to any and all immigrants/foreign students/visitors for the first seven years like some other EU countries.
All people should only come if they have a job. In indian British my parents came here 35 years ago been paying tax all their life. For people to come here. And take handouts discust me
Thank You Teflon Tony for opening up the borders.
Who cares Mr Hollobone? Our economy roughly the size of France, our population is within a few million of France and yet you can fit the British Isles into France 2.5 times with room to spare. It's said that the last time the agricultural sector produced enough food to feed the population was more than eight decades ago. Those are two stats or statements that have me in the "we have enough" camp and I'm confident that you, your party or the opposition are going to do NOTHING to stem the unsustainable path we have been on for three decades.
Labour isn't beholden to wealthy big busines owners, their money, which is far less, comes from unions, it is individually collected from each member . Most of these members don't want cheap labour competing with them and keeping wages down - Poppy Clarke, Croydon, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 10:51 - - -- - - - - Poppy, please name me all the unions you know of that are opposed to the EU? I really would like to know. as in my experience the union members views are not taken into account and they are classed as racist if they speak out against 'official' union policy.
Britain needs it's own Glasnost as in get rid of the commies in power and replace them with democratic government.
Ive just heard of a Kazakhstan family on benefits moving into a housing trust home in Notting hill. I also found out that the father of this family has a mini cab and import and export business on the side. Hope the home office sorts it out, probably won't as they will give the excuse of too much paperwork and human rights yadda yadda. Makes me disgusted, doesn't matter what country they're from I'm disgusted that they're abusing the benefit system and illegally working without being taxed and then theyre using our public services. There needs to be stricter rules on immigration and benefits, I really think highly skilled people should be allowed first like nurses, doctors etc. And people who will actually invest back into our economy rather than cash in hand jobs, where the money gets sent home to their country helping their economy. I'm so fed up with this.
Benifits system should be like spain... unable to claim unless you've been a resident for more than 3yrs, They should also say they can't arrive unless they have a job as i have plenty of friends that have been on the housing list for well over 5yrs and still waiting as they are English!
The latest figures show the population has gone up almost 300% in my area alone. This doesn't include the rest of the city. All I see walking around here are young Eastern Europeans pushing babies along. The same is being reported in parts of Germany. Anyone else notice a trend??
So the general consensus is that Brits should be able to live in whatever country they want but only Brits should be allowed to live in the UK. GET REAL!
It is bad enough these migrants being allowed into an already overcrowded country, but to give preferential support over the indigenous population in respect of housing and jobs whilst straining already under-resourced public services is just adding insult to injury. Some common sense please before patience and tolerance run out of steam.
Osborne is releasing his autumn budget report soon and will tell us about how much more pain we will suffer with cuts in benefits and increases in tax to clear the budget deficit. He won't even look at the way migration and aid expenditure are some of the causes of this problem. Whichever way you look at it we are doomed.
they are coming over here because david cameron knows they will all vote to stay in the EU, so he will do his best to look after them.
John S. I think you will find that the majority of British living in Spain have bought their houses and are not looking for the Spanish to provide social housing or hand outs. - mogge, london, 05/12/2012 10:39 That is true, but they can also still claim British benefits while living there..... which surely can't be spent here and put back into our economy.
The credibility gap between voters and politicians is greater now than at any time in my memory. The DM is one of the few sectors of the media which tells it as it is, don't expect any serious debate elsewhere. The country is grossly overpopulated and there is talk of a further 10 million. The existing parties have trashed the UK and it is "fortunate" that 80% of voters take no note of what has happened in the last 15 years. The future is a worrying prospect, what is driving this scenario, what is the end game.
Immigration must be stopped for at least 10 years: we are being swamped by a tide of foreigners, and these are just the ones that the government knows about, let alone the illegals. Without them there would be no need for the massive ammount of house building that we are told that we need. Successive governments are giving away our birthright, and blighting the countryside with buildings under the pretext that many are ' affordable ' for our youngsters.Down here youngsters cannot hope to find a deposit.
Labour, Conservative and Lib Dems have all conspired on tyhis issue. Please stop putting the blame solely on Labour. I am not defending them but the Tories have been in power since May 2010 and they promised a referendum on Europe but lied to us. All three main parties are GUILTY. Vote UKIP as no other party will take us out of Europe. My hope is that the Tory MPs who want out of Europe defect to UKIP to strengthen the party and we get our wish and are able to protect what's left of our country. For the sake of our children this can't be allowed to go on.
Don't be so xenophobic. I pray to Allah they allowed to enter our land- hassan2k12, London, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 4:54.................That's a very witty post the more red arrows it gets the more fun you must be having-I gave you a red arrow just to help you along. Wish I had thought of it.
So much dissatisfaction amongst the vast majority of the population. And they STILL won't give us a referendum on EU membership. - Steve Cahill , Sandy, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 11:02 What's causing the delay on a EU Referendum. on EU Membership - Anyone know the reason???
This is a crime against humanity - and i hate to say it but our brave forces out in worn torn countries are just like the hero's of the great wars dying in vain.My granddad's mates split there guts for me and you - not to be sold down the river. I'm under threat of redundancy my boss told us straight he could get two poles for each one of us and it's legal. We need to take action against every career politician and NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think things are going to get very nasty here in Foodbankland, the politicians cannot keep taking money, houses and jobs from the working to give away without there being a reaction at some point.
Somebody has to pick the turnips and clean the bogs.- harry hart , Cheltenham, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 11:16...............They certainly do Harry and I hope you pick the turnips before you clean the bogs otherwise I am giving up stew.
The scales have finally fallen off their eyes and for the first time, paying international students (who have no recourse to public funds) are not being blamed for the rising immigration problems of the United Kingdom.
Look after yourself,the politicians don't care about any of you or the country,they live high on the hill.Avoid all taxes and rort the system as much as you can.
I will be 50 in a fortnight. I suppose that I have about 20-25 years left. Bl***Y good job as I dread the future in this country.
Folks, business requires a plentiful supply of cheap labour - The Tories will make the right noises but in reality they'll make sure the narrow vested interests they represent will be looked after..(!) - alan , beverley, 05/12/2012 ...That applies to ALL political parties alan.- the phoenix, Brandesburton England, 5/12/2012 10:24---- Alan is spot on. It doesn't apply to all parties equally. The Tories donors are largely company directors they are very keen on keeping wages down . Labour isn't beholden to wealthy big busines owners, their money, which is far less, comes from unions, it is individually collected from each member . Most of these members don't want cheap labour competing with them and keeping wages down - Poppy Clarke , Croydon, ## So Tories are deflationary & Labour inflationary: business fears increased costs will depress sales, unions couldn't care less, monopoly money growing on trees: is that right? Why not go Soviet nationalise savings? Or Nazi - just take it?
So when swathes of equally precious social housing are taken over to accomodate previous post WW2 waves of immigration, that is OK, but the precious green ghettoes of the rural middle classes are sacrosanct? Togetherness, , eh? - peter north, sutton surrey, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 18:03============= Get your facts right. These guys fought for this country's freedom and many died with our lads. They came over here afterwords and helped us to rebuild our country. They EARNED their places. The current shower come in with their hands open waiting for benefits. Different!
If some of you lazy Brits moved your asses and went to work instead of living of welfare then you wouldn't have such problem. If you say the wages... then you should shut up as some wages are already so high that if not immigrants and reducing theses in certain sectors you wouldn't afford many of the things you now can. Only people with very low IQ can't understand it (yeap, most of DM readers!). Another thing, if you prefer seeing more foreigners who don't integrate with society and blow themselves up then it is your choice. And finally, come on, move your asses and back to work (don't spend time on reading newspapers) as it may solve your problems!
.....................And allowed to VOTE on what will conveniently be called "EU-relevant issues" they may be enough to swing a referendum on Britain remaining within the EU or getting the hell out of it. That is IS WHY they are encouraged by both Brussels AND our own "government" to come here.
Building more houses to accommodate new arrivals is a bit like building more roads, the faster you build them the more it encourages drivers to fill them with traffic.
I wonder how long it will take these numb nuts in power before they stop hiding behind twisted cesspit EU rules and dare say enough is enough
"- Working Man , London, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 10:34-----Folks, yes but did he vote for them?.......(!) - alan, beverley, 5/12/2012 10:48" Although it is NONE of your business, you Labour Troll, I voted UKIP.
vote UKIP
The UK has become the council estate of Europe.
"Slovakian women are generally gorgeous. More please ;) - Colin D, Renfrewshire, Scotland, 5/12/2012 8:58" Move to Slovakia, then. Assuming there are any native Slovakian women left there, that is.
Somebody has to pick the turnips and clean the bogs.
New World Order - it is the indiginous British who will pay the price because we don't count and the wealthy, powerful people don't care. We must fight against this for the sake of our children's futures. Please vote UKIP. The other parties are either part of the big plan or they are complete morons who should be held accountable for ruining the lives of the British population.
There is no point getting worked up and having a heart attack over this., The present and the previous Governments know what is happening they dont care. They get there cheap Labour, they get 100s of people going for the same job, they get crap wages because there is no end of people that want the jobs regardless of pay. Just sit back and wait for it all to kick off and it will when the Brits cant feed there families or feed them. The Brits take so much and then they go. We are very near braking point now.
"And there not here for the weather !!" - tommy , Denbigh, 05/12/2012 10:44 ...........................................Nor, it would seem, for the standard of education here.
end this madness now.we need to get out of the eu and close our borders
Were DOOMED, DOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I welcome them all - and so should everyone else!!
UKIP would ban foreigners from claiming benefits until they have worked and payed contributions for 5 years, then you'd see them queueing up at Dover.......
Tony Blair wanted Turkey to join the EU. Imagine that?
Half of them appear to be living in my neighbourhood alone.
And they all seem to live in my cousins street ! ( she is now considering moving )
HAS the penny only JUST dropped? We KNEW this years ago! We are in for EVEN worse times ahead!!
How come that other countries in the EU, like France, are not swamped by uneducated, sometimes violent, people from the EU, and from all over the world? - ann b , paris, 05/12/2012 09:23 ================ Well, such people do live in shanty towns all over Greece, for example, and northern Paris is swamped with immigrants. But neither of those countries doles out the benefits as of right, and neither do those countries print everything in 100 different languages to enable their immigrants to understand how to sponge off the system. There is nothing so politically incorrect as political correctness. It's killing our country, while other countries are able to just able to concentrate on their own, including sending them here.
I live in a small market town in Buckinghamshire which until very recently has had no immigant population whatsoever. Now you're just as likely to hear an eastern european voice in the High Street , as you are a Buckinghamshire accent. This has occured only over the last 6 - 8 years. The charactor of the town's population has changed totally, and all very quickly. This is part of the problem. The speed of change !!!! In previous history such changes have occured far more slowy, and populatons have been able to adapt in a more measured way. The rapid nature of the change is placing both native and immigrant populations under considerable stress. This is leading to tensions that this town has never experienced before. We're having outbreaks of violence (low level violence so far thankfully) between locals and the new estaern european residents, in a town where outbreaks of disorder like this were almost unknown only a short while ago .
All this hogwash about UKIP when it was treason to hand any power away, never mine enter Europe and ever leader since Teddy Heath are acting treacherously, so please folks, unless those you vote for adhere to English common law in accordance with the bill of rights, then stuff em.. ostriches.
Turkey next year happy days. When are our politicians going to realize we cannot possible take millions more without civil disorder
They keep bringing up this subject the British people have been saying this for years, and we are the very people that have to live amongst them so we are the experts on how many are here. TO many. No wonder we have no money, and have a housing shortage, etc etc. having to keep most of them that will never work.
If the same number of British people went to live in Eastern Europe would they develop large swathes of their countryside to provide homes for them? I doubt if they would disturb a single blade of grass on our account.
this will kill off anything we have left to be proud of, all i now forsee is high unemployment, homelessness and poverty for the original uk citizens, our pensioners are also in poverty after working all there lives, this country is given away and tax payers money, we are all working to pay for these outsiders and its going to get worse, i think i need to leave the uk even though its my home because i cannot afford it here anymore , nothing we say matters to the government, to them we are nothing.
Most of them will end up in the S.E. of the country, this will affect the job market & give more support to the EDL, UKIP & NF..still look on the brihgt side, plenty of opportunities to relocate over there..both Romania & Bulgaria have beautiful countryside too...but the pic of the donkey pulling the old LADA ís always a laugh
So much dissatisfaction amongst the vast majority of the population. And they STILL won't give us a referendum on EU membership.
Knowing the 3 main parties if they actually ever give us a referendum they will allow the Europeans in this country to vote, it would be like turkeys voting for xmas, not going to happen, if we ever get a vote, only British people should get the vote.
Thanx god the attention of immigration has turned to Europeans now, we use to be abused by being called names for seeking asylum, lest pple forget that our grandfathers fought for this country and our diamonds being taken in exchange of alcohol. So this are fellow Europeans why the boo hoo hoo!!
Bulgaria & Romania will join from next year. People's get ready for more thefts, burglaries, credit card frauds. Get ready for a huge wave of crime. David Cameron. We dont want anyone else from this hell called "EU" STOP this now before brits loose their patience.
UKIP UKIP UKIP!!!
You may add me too as i will be moving with my whole family (5 children) to Liverpool in 2 weeks time. Looking forward to join the generous UK welfare system and schools for my children.
England has been sold down the river by decades of corrupt, liberal-left (whatever it says on the tin) politicians intent on grabbing power in a New World Order. This is nothing short of treason. No-one in this country voted for mass immigration, multiculturalism and the dilution of English culture and if we complained we were told we were "racist" and threatened with draconian criminal charges by the liberal elite. This monstrous disservice to the English has to end. Vote UKIP, resign from the EU and the ECHR, stop all immigration and have the military guard our borders. No one in this country voted to be ruled and taxed by unelected, self-appointed, spendthrift commissars...
I really cannot read anmore articles about immigration in Britain. It just makes me sick. We are a hardwroking family, working all the hours God gives, and there is still never enough. We can't have holidays, or eat luxury food, because we cannot afford it. We run an old banger which costs the earth to tax. A few years ago, my partner was made redundant. We were evicted from our rented house as the landlord was unhappy to accept DSS. The council didn't help us. We were told to ask family membesr to give us the money for referencing and deposit to rent privately. I'm bitter about the fact the fact that you can come straight into this country and get everything handed to you on a plate, but the goverment will not help British people in genuine need. If we didn't let those in who are unable to support themselves, the jobs and housing problems would not be such an issue. I am starting to feel like the ethnic minority in my own country. It's not about racism, it's about human rights.
Plenty of brown field sites laying empty in this country so build on them first before you destroy whats left of the green belt -- also if the government gives these immigrants benefits then the government should claim it back off the countries where the claimants comes from after all we are looking after the their people .
It doesn't matter where you go - coffee bars, restaurants, shops, hospitals, care homes, building sites, shops, - East Europeans have taken over most of the unskilled jobs and even some of the skilled ones, such as in pharmacies and opticians. What chance for our young to make their way in the world, if most of their "starter" jobs are taken over by people from other countries? And what hope for our nation's finances if those same East Europeans are able to claim benefits if they lose their jobs or even if they just choose not to work and have a permanent holiday in the UK, paid for by the State? And what hope for our countryside and heritage and for our farmers if more and more land must be freed to house all these foreigners? The UK has always welcomed immigration (such as my father from Poland), but this is too much in too short a space of time. We are not the world's charity organisation. We can't take any more. No room left at the inn.
Well done BLAIR BROWN together with ALL the Labour idiots who allowed them to DESTROY our country.
This uncontrolled mass invasion of immigrants is irreversible. Once they are here you will not be able to get rid of them and we will have to deal with coast to coast concrete with pig ugly blocks of flats built all around.
- mogge , london, 05/12/2012 10:39--------Folks, mogge is right that quite a number of Brits living in Spain have their own houses although many do not contribute in any significant way to that countries finances. Also there is a significant minority who 
I've been living abroad for 10 years and on my return I notice that you've given the country away. Did it mean that little to you or was there a nice payout for a few of you? WW1 and WW2 couldn't take the place but now you've handed it over. Up to you I suppose.
Exactly how stupid are we........?
We are going down the same road as greece spain and italy its only a matter of time and that wont be far of
Even if 200 millions Bulgarians and Romanians come to UK it does not follow that new houses have to be built. The rent only will go up which will definitely deter immigration. And what about the people benefiting from the immigrants? - Vlad, Bucharest, Romania, 4/12/2012 17:28 - As there is already a housing shortage in this country, just where do you suggest these immigrants will live?
Amazing how they will build houses for immigrants and not for the indiginous of u.k but typical of this country look after everyone else instead of our own make, and furthermore we pay for them .no one gave me a council house and payed my rent so why should we have to pay theirs ukip for me this time give them a try .
All the while the pockets of the construction industry and government are lined from the proceeds of never ending housing and infrastructure demand, then it doesn't exactly take Sherlock Holmes to deduce that there will never be any positive reduction in current levels of immigration and asylum. Change will only come by voting for a completely different style of government, one which is prepared think of our children's future, instead of simply fuelling a situation which is little more than a short term, quick fix, Ponzi scheme, which will ultimately end in misery for everyone.
I moved, a year ago, to Inner Mongolia in China where I work as a teacher for a large International Company. I'm from a small town in East Yorkshire that has been very quickly over-whelmed by the influx from the Baltic states and Poland. I saw from 2001 the number of immigrants build, going mainly to the many salad producers, but then the local labour agencies took up this surge to fill jobs at factories. From this I've seen a knife fight between feuding parties on a factory car-park, alcohol abuse, drink-driving, thefts, prostitution and all the offenders tried have been given ridiculous non-sentences. I know we are a blah, blah tolerant society but has anybody dared to ask what the local people think, without telling them that they are racist?? I work in China and I have to pay for everything, no benefits or subsidies, if I do anything illegal then I will face immediate deportation, unlike Britain. I'm not a member of any party or follow any politics, just dis-illusioned.
Folks, business requires a plentiful supply of cheap labour - The Tories will make the right noises but in reality they'll make sure the narrow vested interests they represent will be looked after.......(!) - alan , beverley, 05/12/2012 09:54........................That applies to ALL political parties alan.-------------- the phoenix, Brandesburton England, 5/12/2012 10:24---------------- Alan is spot on. It doesn't apply to all parties equally. The Tories donors are largely company directors they are very keen on keeping wages down . Labour isn't beholden to wealthy big busines owners, their money, which is far less, comes from unions, it is individually collected from each member . Most of these members don't want cheap labour competing with them and keeping wages down
This country cannot sustain anymore migrants, just look at the unemployment & benefits figures. And you are going to let more in? How do you propose to financially support them because they sure as hell won't be supporting themselves as they know how easy it is to get money for nothing here!
It's funny how these morons didn't think about things before they opened the doors to our country in a free-for-all, They have now changed our safety, our Culture, Our schooling, the NHS, so why not destroy the countryside too? Governments??? more like a den of Traitors.
How come that other countries in the EU, like France, are not swamped by uneducated, sometimes violent, people from the EU, and from all over the world? - ann b , paris, 05/12/2012 09:23 Because Britain was swamped by uneducated, sometimes violent people long before 2004. I guess birds of a feather flock together.
Gordon Brown got caught out when he called a lady "Bigotted" when she made her point about immigration, no doubt Calamity Clegg and his Lib Dem Cohorts feel the same way about the average taxpayer who is being squeezed from every direction with the costs both financally , socially and education wise never mind crime wise. Cameron would have no problem keeping the Tories in Power if he had the guts to stand up to Europe and Calamity Clegg and stop the massive influx. Then just stop this so called junk that the illegals and criminals use and deport, STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY , that is all we ask.
If this government lets all these people in our country it will be the end of Britain
Your comments:The indigenous population cannot grasp or more likely don¿t want to as they the thirty year olds were brought up on labours multicultural diversity twaddle which was only aimed by Labour at diluting the English middle class who they saw as Tory voters. Now we have an unholy trinity of Lab. Con and Lib who themselves are all self serving and very pro EU because it is an easier option than trying to grasp what a monumental mess they have all made of the Country.
I don't mind Eastern Europeans coming here if they work and contribute, as believe me, if we relied solely on the British we'd go under as there are so many lazy Brits (just watch programmes like The Only Way Is Essex, and Jeremy Kyle). However, if they come here and do nothing, they should be thrown out immediately.
The governments priority should be focused on their own, they should be accommodated in every way before consideration is given, except in an emergency,to any other national. The argument that all members of the EU are one nation, isn't accepted by the majority of the British people, they were never even asked their opinion re giving away British treasure. There should be no more government sponsored immigration from whatever source.
- Working Man , London, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 10:34-----Folks, yes but did he vote for them?.......(!)
Dont we need them to do more of the jobs that the Brits are too lazy to do and would rather have benefits than do? Also to dilute the immigrant monoculture ghettos of cheap accommodation into multicultural areas, like East London and many cities needs
So, if the problem stems from the EU, the answer is simple. If we cannot control our own borders because of the EU, we have an obvious solution available to us. The problem is that our politicians are spineless cretins that dare not annoy an unelected bunch of self serving EUrocrats that should have no say over our affairs at all. Our politicians are cowards, weak, treacherous cowards.
I despair for Britain, it's not Great anymore, and this country is not a sponge. Recently I went to concert at our local theatre, that night it was "The last night of the autumn proms" where "land of hope and glory was played, and all those well known and favourites tunes. The audience were waving there union Jack flags. and for a while I felt British again and the good old days were being played out in that auditorium. It was just so sad that at the end of the night when the concert was over, it was back to reallity and never to be repeated and have that feeling once more. What a legacy we have left for our future generations to come. Am I right or wrong readers?
And there not here for the weather !!
its all part of a bigger story,dilute and mix up the existing population so the next generation doesnt know who or what they are.all ready for the one world government.
So glad Agenda 21 has been mentioned, look it up people its the daddy to the Lisbon Treaty, Even the Tea party and Democrats are in agreement it's not an agenda for the good of the world, read between the lines and its the kind of document a few Germans would have been proud of 60 odd years ago.
- the phoenix, Brandesburton England, 5/12/2012 10:24------Folks, the phoenix is right up to a point but it is the Tories who stand-up for the vested interests of business and in particular very big businesses who pay £millions into their coffers. As we 
People wishing to come and work in the UK should first have a place to live and a job to pay their way. It's hard enough work raising a family here without additional drains on our income from extra taxation, caused by supporting those with no moral right to be taking our money. There should be no benefits until they have worked and contributed to the system for at least 10 years. If they have no job they should go home and take the benefits that they can get in their own country. We are not providers for the world's poor, thieves, or scroungers. We already have enough home grown of those.
I am an immigrant to another EU country and I was not issued a social security number (which you need to do almost everything here) until I could show a valid EHIC card to cover my health costs and proof that I could financially support myself as I am not entitled to any benefits until I pay enough tax. I know that other EU countries, including Spain, have cracked down on immigration (I'm pretty sure the Spanish are sick of Brits retiring there and living in their own little communities, it has to be said). So, it has less to do with the EU and more to do with politicians and employers who clearly get some kind of gain from mass immigration. I know a taxi firm who post ads on European jobsites - why? Because they know they can pay them less, but still more than they'd ever earn at home. And they don't even bother to train them - had to tell one foreign driver how to get to the main train station!
Women born after 1953 will not get a state pension until they are sixty six even though they were told when they began working that it would be sixty and they paid N.I contributions and tax. Students with loans of twenty one thousand pounds pay twenty six pounds interest a month if they earn under fifteen thousand per annum which is the case for many young former students. Young people have to stay with their parents because they cannot get affordable housing and young couples who work are having to pay extortionate rents because they can't get a mortgage. When I read articles like this I almost explode with rage. The Government has to take the needs of the citizens of the UK seriously because we have had enough.
Daily, we hear politicians trot out that we need to build more houses urgently. It has been obvious for a very long time that this need is generated mainly by immigration. The curious thing is that none of the politicians ever make the link publicly while saying it. Our politicians are obviously briefed not to make the link and definitely never admit that one idiotic policy drives the need for the other. Unfortunately for our stupid politicians, we are not nearly as brain-dead as they think we are. Oh, and can anybody tell me just when we were asked if we wanted our country overpopulated to this extent, and can anyone tell me when we were asked if we wanted our country building over to accommodate this insanity? We should be protesting in the streets of London, but will we ever wake from our slumber?
We cant build on green land for our own people who are homeless or finding it difficult to get housing but we always make exceptions for foreigners dont we.
We are in a reccession we do not have a labour market.
The three main political parties wont do a thing to control immigration , frightened to death of their own shadows . Luckily UKIP are ready and waiting to get a grip of the situation . Come May 2015 you will know what to do , wont you .
its going to drain this country dry,it cannot go on,its got to stop.
Get it sorted or you will have a revolution.Idiots.
this was the deal with Tony Blair and most east European country for joining the Iraq war .
Folks, business requires a plentiful supply of cheap labour - The Tories will make the right noises but in reality they'll make sure the narrow vested interests they represent will be looked after.......(!) - alan , beverley, 05/12/2012 09:54........................That applies to ALL political parties alan. - the phoenix , Brandesburton England, 05/12/2012 10:24 Ignore alan, he is a liebour troll and should not be fed.
John S. I think you will find that the majority of British living in Spain have bought their houses and are not looking for the Spanish to provide social housing or hand outs.
Real 1stbear Brighton 10:12 Please somebody do something we need to make our voices heard spread the word and get as many as you can there
Only over a million? i dont think so! the number is over 2 million East Europeans already here!
This madness has to stop now!, and the only way it will happen is to get rid of this government, get rid of the EU, get rid of the immigrants along with all the illegals, by voting for UKIP, they are the only party who will bring back common sence to the UK and give our country back to controle by ourselves, and it has to happen now.!!!!!!!!!! And may-be one day we the British people will find that pot of gold for ourselves instead of wasting it on every-one but the people who have paid there due's for the benefits they are taking home to another country.
What are the comparable figures for France, Germany, Holland? If they are managing to keep them out, thus saving their jobs for their own, and cutting down on benifits payments, why can we not introduce similar rules? Is it our incompetent politicians, or, are so many of the migrants working in the civil service, that thier is little will to enforce the rules? We also need to ask ourselves, how can migrants come here and out compete our own people, is their work ethic better, is their education better?
UKIP is the only way people unite and get our country back
You Can Only Blame The Muppets in Government (Mr Cameron Ed Milliband Tony Blair Nick Clegg & Co) who were looking 4 Cheap Workers to serve the Rich & Wealthy Conservatives.
If we don't build the houses they might stop comming, all this is thanks to the last Labour government.
1. Fire up Google maps 2. Scroll over to the USA 3. Zoom in on any random town in the centre of the USA or on the outskirts of any East or West coast city. 4. Switch to Street View and look around. 5. That dear readers is what the UK will look like a decade from now. No trees or green fields, just miles of trashy mals, parking lots and junk food outlets. If you want to see this in the UK today, try the main 'out of town' shopping mal in Newbury, Berkshire. Very dull shops, a Burger King and a McDonald's. 6. Compare 5 to how things are in a typical country village or town like Thame, and you'll see what we're about to do. And it will make our weather worse too because there will be less oxygen production from fields or trees, and we'll get the same tornados and draughts that central USA gets. We're going to die a slow painful death. And the fault lies with all political parties.
Thousands coming in - many (if not, most) to go straight on to benefits, and none will have ever paid anything into our system !!! My aged mum is currently ill, having partially recovered from a very bad fall, and the treatment she is getting in the NHS is appalling !! She worked full-time right up until the age of 76, paying a significant amount of taxes, and yet she is being treated like a second-class non-entity. Why - well I'll tell you why - it's because she is old, indiginous white, and English. That puts her right at the very bottom of the pile, folks..........................
Well all I can say on this site if they will have as hard a time as those of us on a decent wage are having then they wont be here for long.Anyway Government your all trotting round the world in fine suits pretending everything is fine when in fact your in control (of your own making)of a shambles of a country throwing money around the world on anything but actual food for the people and a shambles of welfare that cuts it off from the British people who have put into the pot to hand it out to disgusting benefit cheats and scroungers many of whom are illegal immigrants.If you were all running your own business you would have been bankrupted in the ist year .I think that says it all voted in for the wrong reasons.
And wait till Turkey joins the EU, something that Europhile extraordinaire Cameron is desperate to happen. Flooded and overcrowded now? Yes, but you ain't seen nothing until then! We are clearly governed by people who HATE - yes, HATE - the inidigneous British people.
Type "benefity w UK" into google and you'll find the vast numbers of Polish "Expat" websites dedicated to informing their countrymen about UK Benefity and everything they're "entitled" to.
They have their own countries........and you cannot compare Brits living abroad in places such as Spain to an uncontrolled influx of Eastern Europeans into an already overcrowded island. If their own countries are not what they want them to be I would politely suggest they set about rectifying this instead of jumping aboard the benefit train here. Remind me again why EU membership is so good? It isn't from where I am standing.
It's a disgrace, this country is seen as a meal ticket for the third world and Eastern Europe...close the borders or it's goodbye Britain as we know it.
OUT OUT OUT NOW NOW NOW !!!
I really can't be bothered to comment on this anymore, apart to say this Government, and the last, have know this is coming for years now, and even if they wanted to put safeguards in place they know they can't (EU rules and all that). Just say goodbye to our green fields and our countryside or vote UKIP.
These are very dangerous times now! The whole Engish, Scottish, Welsh & Northern Irish cultures are now in dire threat of being bred out of existence within one generation. Wake up people this is War!
That's a lot of people to house and provide health care, benefits and education costs for. It also puts hundreds of thousands on the dole. Just think what that costs in benefits alone.
You should look to Ireland to see how out of control open border policy has become. Of a population of approx 4.5m, 12.5% are immigrants ( or in-migrants as the do righters like to call them) . With 14.5% unemployment level you can see how detrimental this social experiment has impacted on Irish society.
Well, I for one, say the quicker that they flood into this country the better. The more the better! As I'm tired of this slow lingering death by mass-immigration that this country is, and has been, enduring over recent decades. A sudden sharp shock is definitely required by the general public, one that tips our services and infrastructure over the edge. And given our current economic state I should think the sudden arrival of hundreds of thousands of people on top of those already pouring in might just be the ticket, might just open a few peoples eyes to reality. I live in hope. As, if they don't open their eyes and become pro-active very soon there won't be much left to get pro-active about.
Daily Mail readers formed the core of the Tory vote at the last general election. You have no one to blame but yourselves. - A_T_Pickle, Leamington Spa, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 8:50...........................And Daily Mirror formed the core of voters that gave us thirteen years of labour. Are you one of those?
so my country has gone why are we building houses for them to get them for free even though they have never paid a red cent into the countrys coffers and my NHS nurse daughter who pays her way cant get any help??? No wonder they are all flocking here....
Oh that's wonderful news! By all means tear up the only thing Britain has left! Kill all of our native animals, destroy their habitats and decimate our heritage and green land, after all, we British are push overs now and kowtow to other countries because we have no backbone and won't kick people out and won't close the boarders. Come on in everyone! It's free money and free housing for everyone who isn't British! Note sarcasm.
Our fields in Taunton are being built on around us. Our ancient hedges ripped out, to make way for new roundabouts and large pavements, new roads. Road works springing up with little or no notice so traffic is horrendous. 4000 houses added on to our side of town. High block of flats built that overlooks existing homes and new street lights that shine into the windows of houses that have been built since the 1950s, We have no new schools as yet. Families at our primary school are panic buying houses which are not even built yet, in order to secure places at an over subscribed popular secondary school. VERY Concerned that our native species of trees and shrubs which support our wildlife - insects and butterflies etc are lost or replaced with plants not suited to our wildlife.
there are a million english migrants here and our population is only 20 million
No it can't be true, we have just been told that net immigration has fallen. The politicians and experts paid by them don't lie !!!!!!!!!!!!! If you continue to vote for any of the liblabcon self servers party, then you are clearly stupid, you are assisting in the decline of jobs, NHS, education, increase in welfare, destruction of the countryside, increase in crime, more parasites on the gravy train, my god the list is endless, why do you believe their lies, why do you keep them in power? Britain is truly finished, the fools deserve the politicians they get, but unfortunately those of us who can see the disaster looming ahead will have to suffer because of them.
Now that's the last thing we needs to do "countryside will be built over to accommodate new arrivals" The countryside which is apart of the British icon and farming etc.
Yeh right do we English pay our way in FRANCE Patricia or do we live on FRENCH benifits - I doubt it and france and germany are huge countries unlike mine.
LiblabCon hate you and Britain . Do you not understand that yet ? Vote and support UKIP or see this country be asset stripped while disappearing into the EU monster. Just whinging on this D. Mail site is no longer enough .
Benefit as well ?????????
The muppets have opened up an Aladdin's Cave for the dregs of Europe, their stupidity knows no bounds.
Folks, business requires a plentiful supply of cheap labour - The Tories will make the right noises but in reality they'll make sure the narrow vested interests they represent will be looked after.......(!) - alan , beverley, 05/12/2012 09:54........................That applies to ALL political parties alan.
I am getting sick of paying council tax when others don't. if we are all in it together why exactly should I pay council tax to fund immigrants to ruin our Country?
I like the naivety of people here thinking UKIP is the solution. UKIP, currently enjoying the comfort of the opposition, promises exactly what people wanted to hear. This is called populism. So easy. Once in power and confronted with the facts and realities taking into account all aspects of any issue on his desk, Nigel Farage would do everything he can to make U-turns. Can we not remember what David Cameron promised when he was in the opposition ? Did he not say for example he will organise a EU referendum ? Did he not say he will curb immigration ? Did he not just recently say he will implement Levesson's recommendations ? Did he not promise the economy will be put back on track in 2 years ? Did his friend, Nick Clegg, not promise to students to oppose any tution fees ? You guys think Nigel is different. You are so naive ! He will do more harm than Cameron and Clegg put together.
As Britain is not a member of the Schengen Agreement which created the borderless zone of the EU and we do not have to let these people in to Britain. So can someone tell me what's going on here. What is our government doing?
Vote UKIP , it is the only way to stop this madness . Every thug and criminal , every scrounger looking for free handouts are on their way to the UK or already here . If reading the papers every day about the immigrants caught stealing benefits is anything to go by , we are on a loosing , downward slippery slope . Look after the UK citizens who have contributed tax and NI over the years , not these immigrants . We are full up .
Remember it was LABOUR that caused all this Blair and all his brother traitors.now tell Cameron and Clegg to get us out of EU. tell all Tory Lib MP's that you will not vote for them again untill they force a Refrendance and close our Borders, NO Houses, NO Benefits, NO Jobs, DIVERT them all to GERMANY and FRANCE, watch them Squeal, All Criminal imigrats deported NO APPEAL. N DUNN
Shock ! Horror !.. Why is this now very common and prevalent news a surprise to anyone who has lived in Britain for the past 50-odd years ?? This dilution,leading to eradication,of National Identity has for long been the aim of the forthcoming Federal Republic of Europe.Dissenters have over the years been branded as xenophobes and racists by successive governments of both Labour and Conservative persuasions.Although it must be said that 'New' Labour did take things to new heights in their last 13 years with their open-door policy on permanent visitor numbers.The tragedy for some here though is that it's too late to shut the stable door now that the horse has bolted.
I am finding it very hard to control telling them when I hear them speak in there language to b ugg er off back where they came from - I will one day tell them, I swear to god i will I am sick of being controlled./
First four countries mentioned above are located in Central not Eastern Europe. Yes, in times of Iron Curtain usually Eastern Europe and Western Europe were mentioned. It seems such division, such curtain, such stereotypes still exists in minds of some people. Please believe me, Soviet tanks are no longer located in Eastern Germany and Western Poland. Maybe it's difficult to check it from England, but it's true.
"receive around 2 million ex-pats, mostly pensioners" - John S, Bromley ---------------- That is exactly what happens now, John .. I know of quite a few couples/families who moved abroad in their prime, gave the best years of their lives(and their taxes) to a foreign country, and then, when they became old and needed care etc, high-tailed it back here smartish, so the good old British taxpayer can keep them in their old age.. One gentleman, who I know very well, lived in Thailand for over 20 years.. He had a stroke and was bedridden.. His friends had a whip-round (many thousands of pounds) to get him on an air ambulance to get him back here.. He was met by an ambulance at Heathrow who took him straight to hospital, where he was cared for for months before being transferred to his home town 200 miles away.. Just imagine the cost? Meanwhile, Thailand who had his best years, get off scot-free.. Now, times that example by hundreds of thousands, and you begin to see the problems and cost.
Only a million ? Someone is not counting very carefully methinks !
The British People (English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh) should understad that we are the Managers and that the British Government works for us, (we never voted in the EU government)We dont want all these immigrants and we definitely do not want all our green fields built on. I dont claim benefits, have never claimed benefits, but when I did try to claim job seekers allowance after losing my job of 16 years, I was told it was against the law to give me more than four weeks, so how in the hell do these people come into my country and manage to claim more than I am allowed. We need to take to the streets and take down this government, we need to take our country back befre it is too late for our children and grandchildren. You cannot go to any other European Country and get the same benefits as they get here, try going to Romania and claim for a House, go to Bulgaria and try and get a job it just wont happen. WAKE UP PEOLE, ITS NOT TOO LATE
I never thought i would say this,but living in a small Somerset town,i am actually very nervous when all i hear is foreign language spoken. I feel an outsider in my own country. Come a war....we would have no idea who our friends are.?
How many are on benifits
We must get rid of the politicians that have allowed immigration to deteriate our country and living standards,this means both labour and conservative governments. UKIP now seem our only hope of stopping unchecked immigration,and taking us out of the EU from where most of our problems arise. VOTE UKIP FOR CHANGE..
This is unforeseen consequences of Labour's open door policy and our being in Europe, so perhaps it's now too late to ask the question " What now " ? There seems to be no way out, even if we pull out of Europe, which is most unlikely in the next few years, the people who are here from other European countries will remain. So will their social benefits be removed, will they no longer get housing benefits, child allowance etc. etc ?. it will be almost impossible to close down the existing arrangements and the Europeans will just stay and take up whatever jobs are available, they will be a source of cheap labour so will limit whatever work is available to our own people. So how do we dig our way out of this mess ? Perhaps if those who put Great Britain in this mess will get their noses out of the trough and come up with an answer. !
Opening the gates to the Romanians and Bulgarians is opening the gate to HELL. Millions will come to take your job and home, they will take away our culture and traditions via more PC and multiculturalism via the government and eu to make them feel at home!!! They will make you rent out your spare rooms in your home to them if they had their way! We will be screwed if we dont leave the eu which stops the government from saying "NO" to letting them in. God save the Queen? more like God save the country and the people of this land! Vote UKIP
Web search the NWO some articles are a little cranky but some are spot on and were published years ago....it will all fall into place. It is quite terrifying. Look up UN Agenda 21.
We have to wait until we are 18 years old before we can vote. Would it not be reasonably to enforce a mandatory 18 year permanent residency with full citizenship before being included on the electoral role. This would surely stop politicians manipulating population migration to suit their own party's goals.
UK has aways wanted to play Big Brother and the dominant king among nations. Historical facts attest to this position. This explains why they are all flocking to the UK. The question remains that why are they not flocking to Germany whose economy is much better than the UK and share some historic similarites to these countries? There are other countries with better economies like Sweden, Belguim, Norway and Finland but these migrants would not go there at thesame rate they travel to the UK. Why? More so, I wonder why Tony Blair is still being blamed for the current state of things when he left Govt several years ago. Don't we have a different govt now? Can't the present govt do something about the situation? why would we always deflect the blame to the labour party even when they are no longer in power? That they signed the treaty years ago isn't a ground to think that the present govt can't change the position of the UK with the EU.
Alll those lies we were told by Labour about immigration are finally being exposed. Honestly, 'our research suggests only 5,000 will turn up every year.' We knew it was a lie but were branded racists for speaking out. It was one of the biggest betrayals in our country's history that will have ramifications for years to come.
All from Blairs "open-door-policy". Now we pay forever
TRAFALGAR SQUARE, Noon, Saturday 5th January. Will you join the Battle for Britain. We can invite Farage and all MPs who are willing to say no more. Green arrow if you are up for it.
Who said the 'UK's jobless' don't want to work in hospitality and other low paid jobs? Working in hospitality got me through college and university. Now that higher education is virtually unaffordable for a much higher percentage of Britain's young people what jobs are they going to take? I would love to know where the 'facts' come from for these outrageous statistics and generalisations! There are plenty of people who would be delighted to leave the degrading experience of signing on every fortnight to wait on tables, but those jobs are seemingly already taken!
It's all down to the EU, headed by Germany the Fourth Reich. They couldn't beat us militarily so they have plotted for the past 60 years to destroy us by other means. They foist all the dross of Europe on us whilst at the same time making us pay £48million a day for the privilege. Blair and his criminal government encouraged it and now we are struggling to cope. And any Briton (note Briton) who dares to complain is accused of race hate crimes.
Make no mistake, the unelected elite EU leaders plan to take over the UK, and this mass influx of poor EU immigrants is part of their plan.. Self interested traitors in Westminster have given us over to the EU under a Political Union, WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE, when we had agreed to TRADE ONLY.. The EU dictatorship now want a Fiscal Union, whereby they take complete control of the finances of ALL EU countries, UK included, and the pro EU Party leaders in Westminster will let them if they get the opportunity. SUPPORT UKIP TO FIGHT THIS MADNESS, AND RETURN OUR COUNTRY FROM THE HANDS OF SCOUNDRELS WHO COULD NOT CARE LESS ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF THE UK.
Government won't estimate number of European immigrants expected to head for UK Yeah, they won't be able to spin more lies to us as we know the real truth. Look all towns and cities up and down the UK are overrun with Eastern European jobs. Wait, soon they will be taking white collar jobs too and we don't want any from Bulgaria and Romania as we have enough already, and there isn't any more jobs, as we have our own unemployed. Plus, all the money the EU (including us) is giving these countries each day. We are becoming or are the pauper of Europe,
I changed my membership from the LibDems [who seem to love the EU] to UKIP about 5 years ago. Mr Cameron I am not `a fruit cake closet racist` - BUT what on earth are YOU? A closet PM who hates HIS Country? I am sorry but I am a Pensioner who gets my £200 Winter Fuel Allowance AND a Bus Pass. Oh whoopee!!! I am OK but have friends (retired) who will have a miserable Christmas eating little food and sitting in the one room they can afford to heat. Call me `intolerant` if you want but this article makes me feel physically sick. I know a chap of 40yrs who's relationship has just split up. He has two children. What will the local council do for his housing needs? NOTHING. As he has no permanent address social services will only allow supervised visits. He will not see his kids on Christmas Day - he might find a hostel. If not a shop doorway. Someone is digging a pit for Citizen UK to jump into.
Why doesn't someone do something to stop the Government building on our countryside? I am so angry about this. All for immigrants living on our benefits that they've never paid into. When our own people are unemployed, homeless and hungry. This country has gone right down the drain I'm afraid. And we expect our forces to go and fight for us? It's a joke.
When there is no more land to build on what then? The immigrants will still be arriving. The other day spenditure on the NHS was in the news. When did it cease to be National Healt "Insurance"? If it is still an " insurance" then surely the State has a right to refuse to treat those who are not " insured". The cost of treating hiv far outstrips costs for many other ailment treatments yet most of the beneficiaries to this treatment have never paid in to the National Health " Insurance", which annoys many that have paid in to the system for 40 plus years. On the back of the introduction of NHI contributions these people were promised free dentistry and glasses when they became OAPs. What a LIE.
We're full, close the doors.
I thought the controls weren't going to be relaxed until 31st December 2014, and not 2012. A lot can happen in 24 months. There might not be a European Union to worry about by then. As for UKIP: I've met quite a few people who have never heard of the party, or of Nigel Farage for than matter. Astonishing but true! They must go around with their heads inside brown paper bags ignoring the outside world. Looks like its going to be a hard slog then for UKIP to make its mark until around the time of the next general election. Boris Johnson might be the Tory leader by then making the Tories almost certain to form the next government, with UKIP the runner-up, making Labour flounder, and the Limpdiks almost extinct.
All chasing the "pot of gold", and most have found it!!. Lol!!. Disgrace!!.
- Justin Time, Portsmouth, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 9:57-------Folks, the Tories weren't elected in 2010 let alone 2015.....(!)
So has anyone actually come up with a number WHEN THE UK WILL BE FULL? Or has it reached this capacity?. Formula is people plus resources equals survival...... What kind of a world do you want to live in? OVERCROWDED STARVING AND JOBLESS.... all this whilst the rest of the world grows.
Stop all immigration NOW!!! The UK will be a concreted island soon.
You have to ask yourself that if this is a eu ploy, to guarantee a "Yes" vote if ever there was a Referndum from all the immigrants being shipped to this country, almost certainly they would not vote "No" when they are getting everything for free here
Demonising immigrants to justify building on Green Belt land is as bad as it gets.
Plenty of empty houses, flats etc in Spain. We do not want this immigration why oh why can those in government see and act upon the will of the nation, if there is a game plan that is being kept from us please enlighten us about it, as it is I cannot foresee what the plan is. My only hope that is that I have a UKIP candidate standing in my area who can have my vote, for after voting conservative for the past fifty years I have now given up and there are no other party worth considering.
Continued membership of the EU will turn the UK to dust in the next few years, we will become the new Greece but there will be no money left to bail us out.
"High demand: Planning Minister Nick Boles warned 100,000 new homes will be built to accommodate the expanding British population! But it's not the BRITISH population that's expanding is it?! It's time to take our country back!!!
The number of British ex-pats living or working is Spain is around 1.5% of our population. The percentage for Australia is even higher at around 2%. - John S, Bromley, United Kingdom / Ah but in Spain the only place where English has taken over is on shop and bar signs on the Costas. Schools aren't swamped with it. And the country isn't having to provide benefits and housing to the Brits either. It is also facing nothing like the massive culture change being imposed back in Britain. Brits usually bring money into these economies as opposed to what happens in soft touch Britain.
Utter silence from Labour,Dave you have one chance of being elected in 2015 solve the immigrant problem,this is the biggest issue for the UK,there is not a bigger issue in sight,ignore it and the country will ensure you are voted out and that means you will be to blame for allowing another Labour Government who do not have a clue who are useless and will bring the country into a cesspit we will never get of.DAVE IMMIGRATION THE ONLY ISSUE ON THE TABLE NOTHING ELSE
No British Government has ever been given Consent to join the EU, or to import millions of immigrants, The British People, are being systematically robbed by The Traitors in Parliament.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20?>>>>>>>> Around 940,000 in Spain alone. John S, Bromley, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 9:35======================Spain is a much larger country than Britain, in fact most EU countries are larger than Britain. Britain is too small to accommodate the whole world. - Overtaxed , Reading, 05/12/2012 09:44>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you see Spain, Italy, Poland and all the other eastern european countries building houses especially for migrating Brits, giving us benefits and all the handouts??? I don't think so. If Brits migrate we have to support ourselves, unlike other europeans.
The benefits to the UK of the EU, over population, under employment, housing, water & home grown food shortages. Wide spread voter apathy due to there being no difference between any of the 3 major Party's & most laws now set in Brussells. Change is essential & it is ever clearer that it can now only come from UKIP!
Folks, if You voted for this mob then You have no right to complain.......(!)
Our government is not fit for purpose is all I have to say. Apart from..I could cry for our country, it's gone for ever. Thanks Tony, happy now?
Just a cover up so as rich tories can build in the greenbelt.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex, London, 5/12/2012 9:20..As you appear to be so knowledgeable perhaps you could like to enlighten us to how many Brits living in Eastern Europe are claiming benefits?Or for that matter what we are able to claim over there,because even my MP doesn't know the answer to that one. .
Just what we need, more organized gangs, pickpockets, and shop lifters coming from eastern Europe
Do you realy want to put an end to this nonesence then vote B.N.P
UKIP is on course to take at least half Tory seats at the next election with this. Act now David Cameron.
It is about time the British People, English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish opened their eyes and see what is happening. We need to take to the streets and march down Whitehall, we need to disbaned this Government, and take over our Country. They have no right Tories, Labour or Lib Dems to tel us what we want, we should be telling them. We don't want new houses being built for immigrants especially on our green land, We dont want to give all our benefits to these people, they have no right and the EU dignitaries have no ight to tell this once proud ntion what we can and cant do. WAKE UP and smell the roses if we dont do someting soon we will totally lose our great country and our Children and Grandchildren will be in the gutters because these immigrans have more rights than the British do.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20?>>>>>>>> Around 940,000 in Spain alone. John S, Bromley, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 9:35======================Spain is a much larger country than Britain, in fact most EU countries are larger than Britain. Britain is too small to accommodate the whole world. - Overtaxed, Reading, 5/12/2012 9:44>>>>>>>>> What has that got to do with free movement within the EU? Where would we house those 940.000 (mostly pensioners) if Spain kicked them out?
I know about 20 people in Valencia who are planning on moving to England for work. I'm going to wait to see if things improve in Spain but I might have to go to England to work, then send all the my earnings back to Spain to support my family.
And we in Scotland have a clown leading the SNP that wants to take Scotland out of the UK AND THEN WANTS TO REJOIN THE EU !!!!!!!!!!
Why does the Tory Party (unlike theDutch, French and Germans ! ) support Turkish entry into the EU ? Its a case of double standards and would mean massive immigration.
I hope this Conservative government know what they've got to do if they want to get re-elected in 2015 .........
Thanks to looney Labour you could not trust them with anything.
What a fine mess the politicians have landed Britain in - as long as we are in the EU the immigrants will keep flooding in because we are the benefits capital of Europe. Then there's all the immigrants flooding in from the Third World, is it any surprise that Britain's housing shortage crisis gets worse by tthe day?
Sheer madness but deliberately planned. At least they dont hate us like some others we have let in.
Folks, don't forget that there are millions of Brits living abroad Spain alone has about 3 million of them to cope with.....(!)
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too.- Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20>>>>>>>Yes but we have to have a job and be self supporting, other EU countries do not give free everything!!!!!! you have to pay your own way.
Instead of pointing fingers at eastern european people, we should try and look at our own first. In the last few years I've only seen children having children, qeueing to claim child's benefits and all just so they can buy themselves Iphones or spend money on themselves and not their children, leaving them barefoot outdoors when it's freezing. Ultimately, bulgarians and romanians work wherever they can, where as we're a bit picky ( rather claim benefits and stay at home because the job's not ideal). Yes, there are scums but not every eastern european steals or claims benefits. Most of them work hard and pay taxes just as we do!
It's all very simple just put me in charge of running this country. Then watch out! - spyder , sammio, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 08:49 People like you should not be in charge of ANYTHING
...paying taxes. Consuming goods. Buying in supermarkets. Spending money in food... And they didn't cost a penny to be educated or born. They got their degrees, certificates, etc. abroad with zero cost to the British taxpayer. BUT, they pay taxes here as they work here. DM, don't you really understand that immigration is needed in an ageing population like the British one? Then, buy an Economics textbook for your library. You clearly need one.
So we leave the EU, kick them all out and in return receive around 2 million ex-pats, mostly pensioners. What then?
Different goverment same policy! They won't estimate how many, because as many as want can come in and yet another elected goverment doesn't care about it's voters and what they will suffer because of this policy!
Folks, business requires a plentiful supply of cheap labour - The Tories will make the right noises but in reality they'll make sure the narrow vested interests they represent will be looked after.......(!)
I'm pretty sure they all live in Manchester. never thought I'd be in the minority of English people in my own town. can't get worse.
Don't let them fool you with talk of NET migration. If 200,000 British people leave the UK and are replaced by 200,000 immigrants is that OK?
Why do we allow the EU to us who we must let in? The UK is already overcrowded. Another good reason for leaving the EU. I voted against joining in the first place.
is this sort of information leaked to the press so that dodgy dave can say he has put a stop on it when in fact it was never going to happen in the first place
1 million immigrants - I think you'll find it's a lot more than that.
The guy who delivered a parcel to my door yesterday was Eastern European. He was clean, polite and WORKING.
It's not just the jobs issue with Romanians, as any other EU country will tell you, they create massive social problems with thieving, burglary, living rough, door to door begging. In Rome they clear illegal camps with force, can anyone see that happening in this social worker heaven we live in? We have left ourselves open to massive massive problems here, and then there is the pressure on the social security and NHS. What a total utter mess we are in .
A lot of these people come here to get jobs. Least they will be paying taxes and contributing to the system. We have a lot of work shy people in this country. Now if we could get them here to work, then there wouldn't be jobs for people coming in from abroad. Personally I don't think anyone should be allowed in the UK unless they have a job and are contributing to the system and can pay their own way. I admit there are exceptions, there are actually some genuine asylum seekers who need help. The government need to work out what our capacities are and stick to it. Once we reach those limits the gates will have to close.
Another set of confusing statistics that bare no relation to the truth. '1.0 million a relatively soft insignificant low figure plucked from the air' which does not relate to the true figure which is nearer 5.5 million according to acumulated figures over the past decade. Nothing seems to have changed since labour left power !!
Several years ago there was a trend for employing Polish girls. Speak to to UK employers today and they are apprehensive in employing them now, as they have wised upto the Girls only ever being employed for the statuary time before they fall pregnant and take maternity leave. Once that happens they return home and claim UK Child benefit for the next 18 years. I would like to see the government chase down all foreign students who have had a university education in the UK and have not paid their loans back. According to official figures that totals 70% of them. 1 in 7 prisoners in uk Gaols are Eastern Europeans. Which is a massively dis-proportuniate crime figure. The UK immigration policy is causing resentment, fear and bitterness amongst its people. It needs to STOP.
Yet again labour is to blame. If you haven't got any skills etc to benefit this country and pay your own way you should not be allowed in simple as that. Immigrants should not be allowed to come over and live of the tax payer when you have got people working and struggling themselves. Look at Australia prime example on how immigration should handled.
No, there will not be hundreds of thousands of east european immigrants........Bliar said only 30,000 or so, and we all know he knew what he was doing when in govt...... and he was not prone to being economic with the truth!!!......let us embrace his legacies!!
And these are the ones we know about. At least we still have some fields and parks we can dig up to use as building land for houses.
So our beautiful country side (what's left of it) is going to be built on to house these people that dint even belong here? No wonder taxes are going up, we need to pay for them and there housing benefits!!!
Of course our unemployed can and do go and work in other countries in Europe. I suppose most of you are too young to remember Auf Weidershen Pet - about construction workers going to work in Germany, and this was not just a phenomenon of the 70's when we were new to the EU abut continues today. Here in France where I live there are a lot of English, Spanish, Portuguese and Polish workers, and our area has an unemployment rate of 5%.
We have pretty much what you have PLUS better schools, free universities (although no Oxbridge..) and very inexpensive universal daycare. Yet we don't have a huge wave of immigrants flooding in. Possibly because the climate is even worse than in Britain and our language is pretty incomprehensible.
JUST STOP ALL IMMIGRATION NOW.
The reason for most of thee people being allowed in is because those with all the money want lots of cheap labour so that they can make,even more millions than they already have. WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER?..............................................................THEY ARE.
Thank you Mr Blair and pals,and BBC Today program
And this my friends is where our hard earned taxes are going! Paying for these "People" to come into our country, breed, rape, steal, murder and then bring over the hoards of family members from their home countries. But do not worry as long as we can keep letting them in the people in this country who genuinely need funds for hospital care etc will not get it. The pot is empty! It also seems if you go to any NHS site such as doctors/dentists you will sit for hours waiting to see someone but if you are an immigrant then you just let on you do not speak english and get an appointment straight away! Put them back on a boat and send them packing, I am sure the people actually born and bred in this country would now work in the jobs they turned down before.
Blame Tony Blair, he allowed this to happen by not putting in palce safeguards and we were told not many would come. bLIAR bLIAR bLIAR
This is called social enginnering. By the time the next elections come around the Lab/con voters will have increased by allowing all these people into the country. If they are to come then no benifits and no votes.
Dont forget the other 9 million here who have no link to Europe.
for all brits living abroad how many are wealthy retirees? do other countries offer foreingers what we offer here - so if i go to spain will there be interpreters available to me? can i use thier health servie for free and is it any good, can we work un restricted - if i get arrested will i get an interpreter>? if i want to claim thier benefits are they are comprehensive as what we offer and will we get an interpreter.... if so - we may move!
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20?>>>>>>>> Around 940,000 in Spain alone. John S, Bromley, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 9:35======================Spain is a much larger country than Britain, in fact most EU countries are larger than Britain. Britain is too small to accommodate the whole world.
To all the morons who think that the DM readers are being xenophobic, please realise that it has nothing to do with xenophobia. It's just that we have the intelligence to realise that we haven't got the infrastructure or the resources to keep letting people in ad infinitum. Something you thick idiots don't seem to be able to grasp. Plus, people of this country are getting fed up with being treated as second class citizens in their own country while some people coming here from other parts of the world, having never paid a penny in and having absolutely no intention of paying anything in, get money and houses thrown at them.
Nigel Farage is a TRAITOR for marrying a GERMAN!
We're in financial dire straights, not enough jobs and debt increasing at a crazy rate, and what's the Governments stupid answer? let more foreigners in and let them spirit the money back home.
And most head for South East / And many are breeding taking advantage of benefits and UK is only Western Country to have out of control birth rate to match 3rd world countrie .
people can complain as much as they like but what they going to do about it,going by the recent by election in rotherham,nothing,the electorate still vote the same clowns in, they had the chance of voting UKIP in, unbelievable! - the voice of sanity , solihull, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 09:24______ well thankfully it proves that the majority of us are not insular bigots then doesn't it?
Only a moron would think that the UK population is any less than at least 15% above the official figures. Only a moron would think that our ideal population was exceeded 20 or more years ago. Finally only a moron would think that saying this is racist.
These people don't leave their home country on a whim. They come here because they are desperate, and we should do all we can to help them and make them feel welcome. - Fatherofthree, Belfast, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 18:29 Desperate! Why are they desperate? Desperate to get free medical care, free homes and free education, free money..etc. There is nothing wrong with the countries they are leaving. They have nothing to offer an already over populated country like the UK. They are not desperate. In comparison to the UK maybe their countries are less well developed but that doesn't make them desperate. They should stay in their own countries and help develope them...not abandon them for an easy life here at the UK taxpayers expense. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Two wonderful responses from herby23crawley and cimawr ammaford. Just so well put down in words.That is how i feel.
The other day I saw 3 Romanian gypsy women harrasing a woman and man for money, they even had a child pulling at their clothes begging. The police turned up soon after and they ran away. Does that not already say we have enough people here who need support that maybe opening up our country to yet another influx of immigrants shouldn't happen? We have enough people on benefits that are fit to work yet my taxes go to support them. Well done David Cameron I hoped you would change things around for the better but now I cannot wait to leave the UK . My great grandfather didn't fight for this country to see you give it away and make true Brits who have lived and worked here for years (regardless of race) suffer because 40 year old men in suits can't be bothered to take a stand.
This country is sinking fast or is sea level rising, ie two many people.
This is one of the reasons the country is in a mess,housing,hospitals,welfare,dentists,all under pressure because of our ever growing population,its not racist or xenephobic to say this small island of 90'000 sq miles cannot support 70,000'000 people,cant these stupid politicians understand that ?..........
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex, London, 5/12/2012 9:20 And I bet they are not all living in one country Idiot!
Our once great country is now a distant memory never to be reclaimed - thanks politicians for ruining it!
My husband is from Peterborough and says it's unrecognizable to the place in which he grew up.We lived there briefly in the early days of our relationship but when we had saved enough money, moved to a lovely, very English town a few miles down the road.Near where we used to live is a school where two thirds of the children don't even speak English as a first language.This once great country is a shadow of its former self and is only going to get worse.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20----Damn right, im sick of this moaning. Why cant we share the planet? My parents in law went to live in spain and they moan about the eastern europeans there. Unbelievable!
Many cleaning, catering, hospitality and agriculture businesses still struggle to find people who turn up for work and stay there for more than a couple of weeks. The Brits are certainly not interested in such "low paid" and "degrading" jobs.
It would be intersting to compare the crime figures for the same period. In fact it would be even more interesting to compare crime figures commited by those of foreign origin, ie, those arrived in the past 50 years and the indigenous population.
The politicians, sorry 'TRAITORS' who are responsible for this are clearly pursuing an agenda to deliberately destroy Britain. Never in my life have I seen so many politicians be so anti-British, unpatriotic, and behave as the 'Enemy of the State'. I wonder how much these Judas's are being paid by the EU to do it!
This should not have happened.Sometime in the 80's a very big push should have been made to get people off benefits,rather than encouraging them to stay on. There was work,now we have two or maybe three genrations of baby breeders who work the system. We have the PC brigade and politicians to blame. Good bye once Great Britain. Finally why did so many good lads and lasses die in WW 2 for this to happen what a waste.
To all the leaders of all the Political Party............... do away with human rights, do away with Civil Liberties and don't any of you politicians realise that sorting the Immigration issue which is what a huge amount of the UK people want will also solve alot of other issues, such as unemployment (British jobs for British workers), increase in taxes, reduction in money been paid out in benefits etc etc etc
Hollobone states - ¿What we are going to see is swathes of our countryside built over to accommodate the millions of new arrivals from the European Union, over which we seemingly have little control.¿...................'over which we seemingly have little control'???? - What utter clap trap. Turn around and tell the eu 'no more'. We are a tiny island and should not be building on Green Belt land- especially to accomodate eu immigrants who, the vast majority of, will be coming here to live at the British tax payers expense whilst sending swathes of our money 'back home' in order to build their mansions. Let Germany or France accomodate them, surley, as we appear to have, they also have plenty of jobs for these migrant workers to do. Failing that, let them all pile in here but pay them not a penny in benefit. See how long they will want to stay then.
For thos saying vote UKIP just remember that the next election is still 3 years away. How much will the population grow in that time? how much more into the pit of debt will we be? we need action NOW. camoron needs to be replaced. we need a vote on the EU and the human rights rubbish. it will be too late in 3 years time. ACTION NOW.
MP's refuse to listen to their people. We want an EU Referendum and an end to Overseas Aid which gives people abroad the impression that Britain is a rich country, which it is not. Please vote UKIP to end this madness.
There are thousands of BRITISH people who have been on council waiting lists for years yet we are giving priority to migrants who are coming here just to milk the system,.Saying they want to come here to work is ludicrous,they are coming for one thing and one thing only...benefits. UKIP is our only chance to stop this madness.
2,7 million immigrants arrived in the UK in the last 14 years and that's only the ones you know about.
This results in money flowing out of the UK economy. They come over take jobs from Briton's and instead of spending their money here it all flows back to eastern Europe. Curbs must be put in place.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too. - Alex , London, 05/12/2012 09:20?>>>>>>>> Around 940,000 in Spain alone.
What`s wrong with providing homes for these European Cousins ? They put up with the wonderful British Tourists and their cultural behaviour without complaint.- DOWNBUTNOTOUT, LIVERPOOL, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 8:18......The British tourist still pays to stay there. They don't get hand outs whilst holidaying there. It is probably harder for us to get a work permit in their country as compared to them coming here.
This is called EU. Those people are mostly youngsters seeking a new experience. They will come back to their countries. We also have lots of English people living in Prague and we quite like them so far.
To all the people whom are saying 'they want to work ours don't' this is a blanket statement and only half true, I know many of ours who want to work but can't get a job, I also know many of ours who don't want to work. I know some of them whom work and pay taxes and I support them in it but I know others whom come here for a house and benefits and dont want to work just sit and be served by this country after contributing nothing.
Can we not have a massive NO CONFIDENCE IN THE GOVERNMENT VOTE COUNTRY WIDE.!!! and force a general election to oust these no gooders and lets get out of EU before it takes us over completely.
And what was the percentage turnout at the last general election?. That's right. PATHETIC. Those that do not want to be part of the solution (ie, voting for a competent government) are part of the problem.
Thank god that now the attention has gone to Europeans , we africans have been subjected to abuse when it comes to immigration issue though our great grandfathers fought for this country and our diamonds being stolen Some of us have packed our bags and gone home So there....
Make the social benefits unavailable to them and then see if they still want to come. - RJimmer, Dorchester, United Kingdom, 5/12/2012 8:43*****How dare you! These citizens of the EU are citizens of England and deserve to be housed and given immediate benefits upon arrival and if we cannot build houses fast enough for them we must offer them our finest hotel accomodation. We should send welcome parties to the ports to make them feel welcome and make sure we have plenty of Bulgarian and Romanian flags to wave. Then we should all write to that patriotic Mr. Cameron and thank him and his mentor Athony Blair (why not a Knight of the Garter for his contribtuion to multiculturalism?) for what they have done for their country--Winston would be so proud of them. Are you getting angry enough people? Are you willing to join the revolution yet? Stop voting LIBLABCON--you join in the treason if you do. UKIP --join today and join the BATTLE FOR BRITAIN.
Adam Weishaupt's 25 point plan is running smooth, this has been designed to happen but people still refuse to wake up to the New World Order.
Send them all back and make all the english benefit scroungers work,they are taking places in our schools and filling up all appointments at the doctors,when will this stop ..
So long as we keep voting for the main 3 parties, nothing will change. It's UKIP from now on for me. My friend just got back from Australia - THEY change their rules on immigration (perm and 'temporary') according to what THEY need at any one time - so the rules change yearly to THEIR advantage - Australia is NOT in recession, apparently - in fact it's booming. From 2014, does a Romanian have a Right (ha!) to WORK here, or to LOOK FOR WORK here. There is a huge difference of course; if it's the latter, what prey tell, is to stop 500,000 Romas coming here looking for work...not getting any (hey, there IS a recession!) and then turning to crime when their 'dreams' turn bad ?? Watch the police shows and 75% of those arrested are foreign !! I am only 45, but this is not the Britain that I remember from even 15 years ago. People of UK - WRITE TO YOUR MP AND ASK THE WHETHER THE BENEFITS OF EU MEMBERSHIP STILL OUTWEIGHT THE DRAWBACKS. They don't - they know it - but won't do anything.
And they are still flooding in, and there is now no way to get them all out.
Well we were warned and no-one listened, now we are trying to take drastic measures to stop more coming in next year! Wonder why our unemployment is so high, when these people are taking our jobs. Come on UKIP!
Either we are being run by traitors, or incompetants, which ever they are, they are not fit for purpose and are destroying the UK - vote Ukip. It is argued Ukip does not have the experience required, but as LibLabCon are on self destruct for the UK, Ukip cannot make it worse, but they could make it much better.
This will lead to civil war. Idiots in parliament please take note
So what, a million british live in Spain
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The thing which is more alarming than the DM dreaming this rubbish up, is the number of people who actually believe it.
The number of British ex-pats living or working is Spain is around 1.5% of our population. The percentage for Australia is even higher at around 2%.
As long as we have free handouts the welfare-seekers will keep coming!
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these people just want a better life, we forever hear complaining about how our population is ageing and now we have a massive influx of young hard working people which can only be a good thing. the structure EU is the issue not some guy picking turnips. We should be 100% in or 100% out this includes all other countries. to be successful the EU needs to be one single republic with one leadership giving a common living standard not this patchwork of semi autonomous entities. of course the alternative is 100% out with a simple trade agreement.
Thank the Lord I am 70 and on the way out this country is well and truly finished.
vote ukip and save ourselves from disaster...
I've this many times on this site before, the EU is destroying the economy, laws and social fabric of the UK. The entry of many former communist bloc countries has allowed them free access to the UK where jobs are scare so they get free housing, Medicare and benefits. The addition of Romania and Bulgaria will worsen things. IT IS TIME FOR UK CITIZENS TO "TAKE BACK" THEIR COUNTRY. DUMP THE EU AND IT''S OVERPAID, UNDERWORKED MANDARINS, NOW!!!!!!
This is unsustainable! Immigration moratorium NOW!
Don't forget to add on the ones in Calais !
Yep,there you go.And all the English speaking, Christian ,Commonwealth citizens with a proven British heritage whose forefathers help build this country, are not allowed in.?? Something wrong somewhere.
Yet I own a single home size plot of land, right next to a single bungalow on the plot right next to it, no other buildings in sight and the planning office in Edinburgh will not consider building consent for at least 10 years ! Why is a person , not a leader in government, but an employee with Power given the power to make such decisions ?
Is it any wonder people are struggling for work? It's a national disgrace what's gone on.
Just don't build the houses, just tell them to pee off!
on polling day for the next election will the mail do thepoeple of this country a service and publish a story of this type as front page headline so that voters don't forget just what a disaster these clowns have been,
Maybe it's time to hold a number of peaceful protests to show the Goverment that we don't want to be in the EU anymore and to get this once great country back on it's feet. It's a shame that so many people think voting UKIP or BNP is wrong and they will be called a racist. It's just being patriotic.
Change the benefits laws, only people living in the uk for over 10 years can apply, you will see no migration to our small island.
Makes you wonder just how many backhanders our politicians receive from Brussels to keep our doors open and benefits flowing.... I shall be voting UKIP of course, but I hope they don't get paid off to back down on their policies..
PLEASE, PLEASE, EVERYONE, VOTE UKIP.
We have been well and truly conned by our weak and silly 'leaders'. The country will never recover. UKIP for me unless someone really strong and determined to lead the UK on behalf of the indiginous people appears from somewhere
this is a declaration of war
I was driving the other day and i saw a fit looking East European at a junction. I turned the car around,stopped, wound my window down and said, "How much ?". The reply was "£50". I said, "And what exactly do I get for that ?". The reply was, "10 hours. No breaks : tiling, painting, plumbing, gardening, whatever you need" !!
We need all these immigrants, to build houses for all of these immigrants.
I feel such dispair when you here this. Where will our lovely England go. No politician is looking out for us. Please could someone organise a protest march for normal people to go on - to show that it's not just extremist who are terrified about our poor country.
Obviously people could,nt care less, otherwise they would,nt keep voting for even more of the same,- Arnold Laine , Gods County, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 08:55>>>>>Correct...what will it take to wake people up. You all think it , but none of you do anything about it ( other than grumble in these comments sections ). Look at the Egyptians , demonstrating in mass numbers and demanding change. The only time Britons get together in numbers in public places is to watch fireworks ( or to riot ,loot ,and vandalize like last year) - johnfrum , Tanna City, 05/12/2012 08:5>>>>> People get more agitated over soap plots on TV - what chance do we stand?
This no doubt will be music to the ears of Labour because once they are residents and then have voting right will more than likely vote labour. This government needs to toughen up and make it clear that a new inflow of Eastern European migrants will not be permitted. We need to see some backbone and this government making it clear that we have austerity in the UK and we are not going to be offering neither jobs or benefits to any migrant who has not contributed to the economy. David Cameron it is time to consider an in/out referendum and let the British people decide their own future and not a future which politicians think is right. It is called participatory Democracy where the power is transferred to the electorate.
people are saying vote ukip but the next election is in 2015. unless ukip DEPORT immigrants aswell as get us out of EU then in my opinion it is too late.
In the future, if there's any of the indiginous population left, they will say..... "why didn't you do something when it was happening?"
people can complain as much as they like but what they going to do about it,going by the recent by election in rotherham,nothing,the electorate still vote the same clowns in, they had the chance of voting UKIP in, unbelievable!
Why should we destroy our countryside to accommodate these people? They have their own countries and I would politely suggest they remain in them. Thank you.
How come that other countries in the EU, like France, are not swamped by uneducated, sometimes violent, people from the EU, and from all over the world?
I love the way people here are now referring to the Tories as the loony left. This is the most right wing government we have had in decades. You still don't get it do you? Until you start actually understanding why this is going on, you'll never tackle it. The Tories want mass immigration. It is good for corporate profits.
I booked an appoitment to see my doctor on Novembert 2nd. I saw him on December 3rd. and that was the first available date and time. In simple terms that is 4 weeks. And you wonder why me, my family and relatives vote UKIP. The quicker that we have a government who works for the British people the better for us all. Labour sold us down the river, and the Conservatives have lost there paddles.
And how many of us living in other European Countries? I bet it's over a million too.
Enough now, although it's all too late. Why won't someone listen?
If all the people who vent their spleens in columns like this VOTED UKIP it wouldn't happen. I read the other day that more people voted for X-Factor contestants than for the most popular party in the last General Election. We only have ourselves to blame. We should all be ashamed.
What is more depressing is that we seem to forget that even though we're struggling with the every day life, trying to get by & pay our taxes, we tend to be quite racist and point fingers at these people lately. Personally I cannot help but feel sorry for them somehow, because not all of them are stealing and taking advantage of this country's system; there are genuine bulgarians and romanians out there, working honestly and paying taxes just like us. It's almost as if we'd point fingers at indian or arab people, for coming to this country and taking jobs as surgeons and dentists. Ultimately, we do rely on them. So, the way i see it, eastern european people work as cleaners or farm pickers, jobs that most british people turn down because the job is not ideal. Not only eastern european people claim house benefits. In the last five years I keep seeing children having children, qeueing to claim child benefits but rather buy themselves Iphones and not buy their children shoes or food. Sad!
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I hear people blaming con/lib coalition for this mess, frankly i believe it started a long time ago and agreements were made when labour were in power!!! so they should stop bumping thier gums about who`s to blame, If we came out of the EU can we get rid of the jobless or unemployable immigrants already here on benefits , prob not, but its maybe a start, I WILL VOTE UKIP AS SOON AS I CAN, and hope to god the government in power now gives a voice to the great british public to decide on our fate, because if this carries on there will be no great british public left!!
When are the people of this country going to realise that this is the EU plan for this country? Now the Lisbon treaty has been ratified Britain is no longer an independent state in any form. Before 2015 parliament will be disbanded and all EU states will answer directly to an EU regional Council in their country that answers directly and only to Brussels. Our defiance winning two world wars means we must be broken and humbled to the ground and preferably over run, crippled by weak economy and politically correct ideology leaving us powerless. Read the treaty. Wake up!!! - Cynical Scarlett, East Sussex, 5/12/2012 8:49>>>>>>>And that is it in a nutshell! The people of this country have been kept totally in the dark, why do you think that whatever new changes this government promise to make are either 2014/2015 ? nothing to do with a GE. Pray for your children and grandchildren they will never know the country we have always known. All their promises mean nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How about a prediction of zero and a pledge to stop this open EU borders nonsense and get tough with the EU on the UK being swamped by these people?
In case you all forget, The Referendum Party came for us all in the 1997 general election to make a stand against Europe, the public did not vote for us and we said it was the last chance for UK to repel this invasion. Well you all have what you wanted. Millions of migrants, no borders, foreign parliamentary interference from unelected commissioners and so on. We warned; you all didn't heed us.
Lets save the countryside and send the Eastern Europeans home
I walked down Leytonstone high road last sunday (east london) and the first 15 groups of peopel I walked past were speaking eastern european languages (95% polish). I honestly thought i ws living in a different country!
The most fateful and disastrous development in British social history since the Great War without question.
I can make predictions. Let me think,ok, all of them are coming. That is my predictions. Please close the doors and chuck the keys away until it is too late.thank you
How many more??? Get rid of the Bloody EU membership!!!
These elite insane politicians know exactly what this is doing and they aren't about to stop it. That is why May is insisting on the bill re " data and communications" . They can shut up those of us who are moaning about subjects like immigration
Many of the indigenous populace have little or no idea that the UK is NO longer their country. You've only got to visit any city or town up and down the land and use your eyes to establish this fact. There is no sense whatsoever in filling this country to the brim with yet more and more people. Whatever is said, schools, medical care, and housing is required to accommodate the large influx. The NHS which has always been under duress is even more so now. Roads are becoming inadequate, and almost desperately overcrowded. Politicians are NOT concerned for our Welfare. Follow the Mail's Peter Hitchens advice, and STOP voting for LibLabCon because, ----- NOTHING will change, should you continue to do so.
There is no need to build any more houses, if people choose to come to this country from anywhere then they must have somewhere to live before they are allowed to settle here, if there is no homes for them, they cannot settle. By continually providing more homes for migrants, you are encouraging them to come here. As a result low skilled migrants will be unable to afford anywhere to live in this country, because demand will push up prices so hopefully they will choose somewhere else. This will also have the added benefit of stabilising a the housing market prices.
Where are all those eastern europeans in France, which is also part of the EU? - I do not see any of them. Does anybody know why?
God help us ! Once Britain have been totally crippled and becomes a 3rd world country, all these peoples who have no great love for Britain will very quickly disappear back to their homelands or some other country that's mug enough to accept them. They are no better than locusts !
This is nothing less than a trogan horse like invasion, and should be treated as one.
MADNESS!!!
The really awful thing about the East Europeans coming in droves is the fact that none of them are coming in to their Motherland like the other immigrant groups
To any EU migrant .... if all else fails in your own 'EU' country .... come to the UK. There you get everything ... and maybe even a new house .....free...!!
All the comments on here are very short sighted.a lot of migrants come and contribute to welfare system by doing the jobs that lazy British don't do cuz they on benefits.so who's worse??try and get over your racism fear and interact.i met my future wife who's from Slovakia and she has contributed £40,000 in tax and only has NHS given back to her.whereas I was born here educated here.i owe a hell of a lot more.
Housebuilding was discussed on LBC last week and the demand for housing generated by immigration was dismissed by James Whale as a 'red herring' despite caller after caller trying to highlight this. How can net inward migration of 250,000 a year not have any impact of housing demand? This is insanity and I am terrified for my kids' futures. The only grain of hope I have is the strides UKIP gained in the by-elections. Something must be done to stop this madness.
Why don't all the English move to Romania. We could make it a great country.
No benefits or health care - no immigration. How more b****y simple can it be?
Pass a law quickly making it a requirement for every new imigrant to have do serve national military service and make a tour of duty in Afghanistan clearing road mines. You would not see them for dust!
Wake up Britain UKIP is now our only hope left. Abandon the major parties, they have abandoned us, they are not listening, they want to see our country destroyed, our jobs taken, our land built upon, our roads jammed, our money taken in increased taxes to pay for all this and all the benefits we will have to pay out. Our hospitals can no longer cope with the influx of numbers, our schools are full up, teachers are having to deal with language/cultural barriers. This will only stop when we get a Government who wants to end all this, close our borders and remove us from the E.U.
WHERE IS THE ROOM FOR THIS LOT WE ARE FULL HOW MANY MOR E TIMES
This unbelievable situation is the direct responsibilty of the stupid Irish. They were the only EU nation able to have a referendum on the Nice treaty to allow the Eastern Europeans into the EU and after having creamed off the top of the EU budget themselves for a decade they then said NO to allowing the Eastern Europeans in so it was not going to happen thank God. Then, the EU mafia, as they always do, forced the Irish, a year later, to have another vote with the usual bribes and promises and to which they then said YES, let them in. So we have a lot to thank the Irish for don;'t we folks. Plonkers.
Maybe other EU countries that accuse us of always complaining may now understand why!!!!!!!!!!!!
For LG Berkshire: ...Simple really....they want to work....ours do not.
Our welfare and the NHS cannot cope with any more, and we have to build houses for them, meaning they will jump the housing queues, we must stop this flood of immigrants into our almost bankrupt country.
And still people continue to vote for the parties who encourage this destruction of the UK . Vote UKIP!
VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For Robbie, Nottingham: I did not realise that you lived in the USA where `it is normal to have an election every four years`. In this country the residing government can hold an election anytime it likes within the maximum of 5 YEARS. Previous elections were in 1983,87,92,97,2001,05,10. .....One of the first things that Blair said when he came into power was .......We are going to change this country, once and for all......thanks Tony.
Just drop a BIG bomb on all these country's. We won the war for them and gave them their country back but now they all want ours. Shame on all of them.
Free NHS healthcare is a myth! if your not from the UK and dont pay NI you need to have a european health insurance card. What rubbish some of you people spout because your angry, and yet fail to know the real facts. Think about this, if the people out of work in this country wanted to work, then they would be getting the jobs that the EU migrants are getting. Stop moaning about alot of jobs being minimum wage - if you dont have a skill because you failed to study hard at school and do further education then its your own fault. Get off yer backsides and work!!! If i was out of work i would do anything if it meant feeding my family - benefits do not pay enough to have a nice life. Yes you may be able to live and think your comfortable, but in reality, you cant just go out and do what you want and buy what you want on benefits. British un-skilled people expect that they should be able to get a skilled job with high pay - not gonna happen. Be realistic.
They're our best workers too. Personally,for my business they've been a Godsend, I hope to take on more of them in the new year too. All employers here ought to take heed,you won't be disappointed...
Bye Bye Britain....its all over now baby blue!
UKIP is the only is the name of the game at the next election. DEREK
VOTE UKIP they are our only hope
Vote UKIP!
Politicians are the betrayers of OUR country. I dread to think what it will be like here in 100 years time. Our children are being betrayed by groups of loony lefties who just can't see what they are doing.. Surely our children deserve better. All these idiots are interested in are green issues. For goodness sake wake up if it's not already too late.
Slovakian women are generally gorgeous. More please ;)
If the benefits paid to the legions of the layabout British underclass were stopped then they would have to find work and there would be no reason for the East Europeans to come here.
Just one million? Well done labour!
I suppose when another 2,000,000 acres have been concreted over the next influx of immigrants will demand further housing........resulting in another couple of million acres disappearing, when is someone going to say enough is enough - we will soon be flooded on every plain and no government will ever have the powers to stop it...(and why not use the 750,000 properties that are empty at the moment instead of building more)......!
What a stupid arrogant system we have ruling Britian.Dont' they realize the severe consequences overcrowding can bring.Anarchy will take place and that is just the start.We will become more dependent on other nations to feed the crowded island and also all that concrete encroaching further onto green pastures degenerates nature,the space to grow food,freedom to promote a well being etc.will all be a thing of the pass.ldiots,the lot of them
The government accuses the foreign students for taking away our money ? They actually increase our revenue , the problem is with the steady influx of people from East-European countries for quite some time now, we tend to sleep on it, David who are u fooling ? ...
Please get us out NOW
So much for the coalition's promises on immigration.
You all think it , but none of you do anything about it ( other than grumble in these comments sections ). Look at the Egyptians , demonstrating in mass numbers and demanding change. The only time Britons get together in numbers in public places is to watch fireworks ( or to riot ,loot ,and vandalize like last year)
Obviously people could,nt care less, otherwise they would,nt keep voting for even more of the same,,
The comments on this issue are awful and very hateful too- yes, thousands of Eastern Europeans have come to the EU- but think how life was under communism and you begin to understand why some many of them are leaving their countries. The majority of Eastern Europeans actually migrate to Germany, NOT the UK! I have no problems with migrants coming to the UK if they can contribute to our economy and in any case, Britain needs these people!
I hate it when someone says they do the jobs we don't want to do. Tell me this who used to do the jobs before they all came over......................the fairies???????????? Near where I live there is a chicken processing factory, that was always full of school leavers, and mothers who wanted part time work. Now it is full of eastern Europeans. The company even recruit them in there own countries, and find them somewhere to live, and bus them to work. Why do they do this.................because the company care...............................no because they get the same work done for a lower wage whilst the school leavers languish on the dole.
I've no doubt that UKIP will sort this out, and I shall be voting for them. However, despite people's worries, I'm afraid that come election time, they will still vote for the 3 traitor parties as was demonstrated in last week's by-elections. Instead of coming second, which is no better than last under our current system, there should have been 3 UKIP MP's sitting in the commons today. We get the politicians that we deserve, and if it's the same old, same old after 2015, then frankly, I will just give up the fight and watch sadly, what is left of this once great country, disappear into history, thanks to spineless MP's and those who voted for them!
As the freedom of movement of goods and people is a central pillar of the EU it's one of the competences that David Cameron cannot claw back. There is only one answer and it ain't obtained by voting for the LibLabConmen.
we get nothing for nothing anywhere in the eu, so wellcome to the land of plentythe uk is crazy, here in spain they just ignore the rules that they dont like, and it works just fine ,nothing for nothing
The guy who delivered my parcel yesterday was eastern European. I have no problem with that. He was clean polite and WOIRKING.
And just how do the other major EU countries cope with these new comers? WHY do they come to the UK in such numbers? Wouldn't be because we as usual, obey ALL the rules, instead of just the ones which suit us, like the other EU countries do? Does Germany & France etc. let them onto their health and benefits schemes? Of course Italy, and Spain welcome them and give them housing and brand new clothing? I'm sure they do?
Why can't the politicians see that this is a disaster waiting to happen? I can only conclude that they are making lots of money out of Europe and that is why they are not shouting for us to get out.We need a revolution now.
For goodness sake give us a vote to get out of EU before this island sinks without trace. Brittain is already unrecognisable!
Romanians and Bulgarians will get free access to UK jobs market next year. HOW when we have very little jobs for our own people, come on, this is madness, if you do this stop calling britsh people lazy scrangers, this Gov dont even give them a go, how can they stand upto more and more coming into our Country taking our Jobs. this Gov needs a back bone ands say NO. put wages up to a living wage then get the young back into work that will pay.
The problem is the EU; Brussels; most, if not all those who voted on joinng the Common Market; EU did so on the understanding that it meant free trading within the EU, not being controlled by the EU and certainly not being sold down the river by weak British politicians who wanted to further their own careers at the people's expense and being run by faceless; unelected EU officials. New Labour opened the flood doors to immigration in an uncontrolled manner; as it did with the banking system. Now those same people; in the new new Labour have all the answers as if nothing had happened under their watch. As for the unelected; codge up of the new Coalition government; like two school boys; they continue to squabble with each other instead of; it seems, running the country. New Labour lied about an EU referendum on Europe; the Tories lied about a Referendum, the Libdems don, want to get out of Europe; understandably because their leader worked there. The only breath of fresh air now is UKIP
Yes, nIce compatible people from a Christian background. It's the millions of non-Christians that worry me.
Daily Mail readers formed the core of the Tory vote at the last general election. You have no one to blame but yourselves.
When will papers stop only telling one side of the story, there are far more British people abroad than there are immigrants.
The lifting of these final restrictions will mark the death of the UK. We don't have enough jobs, housing, hospitals or benefits to go around as it is. The politicians that have allowed this to happen should be charged with treason for they have killed our country.
It's all very simple just put me in charge of running this country. Then watch out!
I'm simply not buying this swathes of green belt, especially as you can drive through any town or city and see large areas suitable for building.- Not A Sheep, The Real World........If in towns & cities, its not green belt. 710,000 empty homes in this Country, that the real scandal!
Heads should roll but they will never roll until you fools stop voting for LIBLABCON. Mass immigration is DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY and it must stop immediately. Why do sheeple keep voting the traitors in everytime there is an opportunity to oust them? 3 pro-immigration Labour MPs elected in the last 3 by-elections!! Idiots.
and I bet more than half are claiming money from the dole This country makes me sick This goverment make us tax paying hard workers, work till we drop and spongers and migrants, immigrants get free for all Role on the election I know where my vote will go If yu dont vote UKIP you can kiss goodbye to England for ever, because we wont exist
When are the people of this country going to realise that this is the EU plan for this country? Now the Lisbon treaty has been ratified Britain is no longer an independent state in any form. Before 2015 parliament will be disbanded and all EU states will answer directly to an EU regional Council in their country that answers directly and only to Brussels. Our defiance winning two world wars means we must be broken and humbled to the ground and preferably over run, crippled by weak economy and politically correct ideology leaving us powerless. Read the treaty. Wake up!!!
Well done New Labour.
UKIP
The government accuses foreign students for staying back n claiming benefits ? They ensure our revenue going up Mr.Cameron n on the other hand these people from East Europe takes our money , so stop fooling people, cheers !
I have no problem with letting immigrants into Britain if they are hard working. The British have become very lazy and sit back complaining about immigrants taking their jobs when they cannot get out of bed to work. If you really feel that strongly about people coming into the UK, take back the country and work hard as your ancestors did instead of being benefit scroungers.
then they wonder why we are in debt and struggling. if the eu get thier way, more countries will join the eu, for that reason only,plus the handouts. the only way is out; they haven,t stopped it within.
This is a scandal, and what about building more homes for we English citizens, before these immigrants, and all this is thanks to Tony Blair and New Labour, if you want to see a stop to this idiocy, then vote UKIP come the next election..!!!
Ukip is enough said
Good old England ... the laughing stock of the world. Have you ever seen a nation so insulted, betrayed and lied to by a collective of utter inadequate morons who have the audacity to call themselves 'Government'? We voted for this disease - maybe we should remind them why we put them in office! It's going to be too late soon - if not already.
This must be good news for the economy. Immigrants are known to be a nett contributor to the economy and the additional housing and services required would bring much needed jobs. Perhaps we should send people over to these countries to encoruage them to come here?
I should think that everyone will be voting UKIP in the next election! Surely this cannot be allowed to happen, it is a total betrayal of our children!
Successive governments have sold this country down the river totally. I can only see great hardship ahead for the majority of the population. We must have the worst politicians in the democratised world.
Of course they do. They get jobs and can bring their family who will get Benefits as well. Child Benefit, Child Tax Credits, Working Tax Credits, Disability Living Allowance or Pension Credits for Granny. They would be mad not to come here. Being locked into the EU by the Three Main Parties we will do nothing to stop it. The solution is in your hands ladies and gentlemen. UKIP or Bankruptcy for Britain. Oh, I forgot the £12 billion, plus £2 billion for Climate change, that is sent abroad.
Unfortunately we find ignorance blessing the comments of this article. Of a population of 60 million we have people suggesting that this 1.5% of people is responsible for increasing the birth rate by 30%. It is this population of the ill informed and ignorant that is more a threat to the nation and it's future than populations that are mainly encouraged to come to this country as a response to the greed of developers and the like (lower salary costs etc). Please oh Please would love to see comments that are grounded in facts and logic rather than ignorance, prejudice etc etc (Dare I say more)
So a few Eastern Europeans came to the UK to live and work. Big deal. 5.5 Million or about 9% of UK citizens live abroad, so it definitely evens out. If you're worried about someone taking your job who a) doesn't speak the language as well as you and b) hasn't had the same privileged chance at education as you, then you only have yourself to blame.
This country is barking mad.
'Romanians and Bulgarians' - for a second there, I thought it said 'Robbers and Burglars'. ...hmmm, that would have been accurate. We have no tangible benefit whatsoever from mass immigration, it has been a deliberate ploy, social engineering, to increase social tensions. So that, along with the ( ongoing) deliberate financial collapse, we will embrace their 'solution' to the crime, poverty and chaos, of EU & UN-led Global Government. Are you awake to the Globalists' scam yet?
What will the percentage be when Bulgaria, Romania and turkey are allowed in. Get out now!! Give us the vote !!
Make the social benefits unavailable to them and then see if they still want to come.
An immediate referendum on the EU is what is required...
Yhis is what you get when you vote for the lib/lab. con traitors
And still the brits will do nothing but moan about it. The leaders don't even have a mandate from the people to do this. Why has this not even challenged by the people ever? Lab refused to allow a vote when other countries had two. Lab didn't even put any restrictions in when we had long term unemployed here to deal with first. Why? Still their voters will vote them in. The parties are all the same. Will ukip really be able to do much without backing from the 3 main parties? They & all their new groups set up & with the help from the papers will stop them from changing anything. They only do this because we do nothing to stop it. - A person , Uk, United Kingdom, 05/12/2012 08:30++++Not being sarcastic but do you really not know the reasoning behind this deliberate act of race replacement.
1.5%, yeah right. This may be the official figure but you can guarantee the true figure is much higher. We can't keep allowing these parasites to live off us. The entry rules must change and unless they have a permanent job to come to, a home, a minimum of £10,000 per member of the family, a sponsor/guarantor, a police check, medical insurance, understand they can make no claim against us for benefits for a minimum of 5 uears and know that as soon as they are no longer able to financially support themselves and their family that they have to go back to their country of birth. Other countries do this so why cant we?
It's the usual story Conservative/Labour NO Backbone only interested in their own gains, Until the people of this country have the sense to look at what is actually happening and decide to vote for a party that will get hold of the situation things are just going to get much worse. So either stop whingeing or vote for a change.
I was just wondering how many people on this forum which are complaining about taxes,migrants,NHS,birth rate,benefits and so on...have a REAL job.
Hold on...when is this going to end? Last night on the news was about 5,5000 people sleeping on the streets of London, not to mention thousands more up and down the country, young people cannnot get even the chance at a job, not to mention the strain on the NHS, schools, etc. Why are our government allowing this all to happen to the people of Britain? Our country is never going to be the ours any more, its scares me to think what the future holds, when the people born here, as were generations before become a minority (a lost culture). And the irony is we are paying for it all!
Please someone, organise an online demand for a referendum...........I would do it myself but I am no politician and I wouldn`t know where to start. If we can all pull together and demand release from the EU we could still be saved...........We`ve got to do something, come on people pull together, let`s reclaim our country before it`s ruined forever.
LibLab Con, are the enemy of the people, trouble is, most of the voters are too stupid to know or care. That is why we are where we are, and slipping fast. It can not now be stopped, THEY have the electorate where they want them,,, complient.
I HOPE THEY ALL HAVE A HOUSE - IF NOT THERE WILL BE A NICE ONE ON THE WAY WITH LOVELY COUNTRYSIDE VIEWS UNTIL THE NEXT WAVE AND THEN THE WHOLE COUNTRY WILL BE LUCKY TO SEE A BLADE OF GRASS - THERE ARE LAWS IN PLACE THAT IF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A JOB OR A HOUSE THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO STAY HERE BUT OUR LAZY LOT JUST BURDEN THE TAX PAYERS A BIT MORE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO IMPLEMENT IT!
Sorry Mum and Dad,Sorry to all my uncles and aunts,my grandparents and my great grandparents who suffered hell through two world wars so that i could be free.I have allowed that hard won freedom to be taken from me with little or no fight against the agressors.Had they used bullets and bombs to destroy this country I could have responded but I do not know how to fight these politicians.I feel ashamed So do I but sadly they don't.
The stupid thing is - WE DON'T NEED THEM. They don't actually bring any rare or useful skills with them that cannot be filled by our home grown unemployed.
Another reason to get out of the hated EU why must we give benefits to all these uninvited baby machines??
And to think I invested 50 years of my life working for our country for it to come to this. To days politicians are weak and gutless and I can only assume the reason they don't tackle the problem head on is that they want to keep the ''ship'' afloat long enough to ''fill their boots'' so they can abandon it when the going gets to rough.Cynical ..yes but watch this space..
The sooner we are out the better. CMD Camoron should be saying to these people return home Great Britain is closed to economic migrants. Roll on 2015 when the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland can extract itself from the screw up created by Chubby the tubby Heath. Vote UKIP.
The pressure this is putting on our infrastructure is frightening . We must apply the rules tht other EU countries apply . Holland for example does not give any benefits to people moving into their country for FIVE years . If T May used they same slippery tactics as the frenchns Danish we could be ok , but we are dominated by the lefty liberals . Write to your MP and let them know how you feel , it will worry them .
This is what the useless politicians have done to our country
If my memory serves me right, parliament told us that no more than 13.000 would come. What a shower!
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I always refer the the EU as the EUSSR, looks like I am spot on. We will have most of the old Eastern Bloc welfare seekers flocking to our doors. What other country will give you a house, free medical, free education, all bills paid etc? None. Only Britain is stupid enough to do it. Want to know the reason? go on the internet and type in Frankfurt School of Subversion and you will see that the plan from the 30's is almost complete. We have to get out of the EUSSR while we still have something to salvage. After July 2014 it will be almost impossible and that's what Cameron is stalling for. - Alex, Elgin Morayshire, 4/12/2012 23:54 Click to rate Rating 1Report abuse AFTER 2014 IT WILL BE TO LATE, THAT IS WHY CaMORON AND CLEGG SIGNED AN AGREEMENT NOT TO HOLD AN ELECTION FOR 5 YEARS INSTEAD OF THE NORMAL 4 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN STITCHED UP FOR GOOD.
And still the brits will do nothing but moan about it. The leaders don't even have a mandate from the people to do this. Why has this not even challenged by the people ever? Lab refused to allow a vote when other countries had two. Lab didn't even put any restrictions in when we had long term unemployed here to deal with first. Why? Still their voters will vote them in. The parties are all the same. Will ukip really be able to do much without backing from the 3 main parties? They & all their new groups set up & with the help from the papers will stop them from changing anything. They only do this because we do nothing to stop it.
Mr. Hollbobone, why don't you leave the pretend Conservative party, it is now in its death throws. Join UKIP who are the only party that will deal with issues you seem to raise.
Just a couple of comments to muddy the water.....The government, especially the Ministry of Defence have thousands of acres of land, compulsary purchased during WW2 what they will not let go of. In the 60`s I quoted on some houses to be erected in Hertfordshire, and to this date the land is still there, not been built on.....The day after the London riots, the MP for Peckham, Harriet Harman, was all over the TV saying there was no work in the area. My son is a surveyor on a plastering firm who had a social houseing contract in next door Camberwell. Part of the contract is that they have to use local labour. Despite adverts in Job Centre Plus and local papers, no one wanted a job. They are fit enough to carry a 42inch plasma,out of Currys but not a sheet of plaster board. His best workers are Romanian and Albanians, earning between £1200 and £1500 a week.
What are Brits entitled to in these countires? Surely it should be like for like when people move here.
To be a net contributor a family of 4 has to earn and pay tax on upwards of 60K. We already have to import 40% of our food. I also doubt that migrants are joining the military which helps keep the resources we need coming to this country. Migrants are treating this country as a money making hotel. It is madness to allow it or to concrete over land we need to manage food and water.
How are they going to move about? The queue at dartford crossing is already about 40 mins sometimes! But I guess that won't bother our politicians!
And who presided over this ? The dammed Political Classes thats who !
They will go back...when the booze goe's up !
Pity we can't charge our Governments with blatant disregard of the indigenous people of this Country. They have failed us.
I passed through our local maternity centre the other day and I was the only person speaking English in there.
Wen are these politicians of any color going to realise that we CANNOT afford to support these immigrants. They talk about austerity.......well close the borders. Also, those that come to our country should have to pay there own way for the first 5 years, thats includes medical housing and if they cannot support themselves then they should be deported. After 5 years of contributing via taxes etc then the system will pay for 50% of the services available and after 10 years they are entitled to the full services that this country provides. Those that come to this country and have children will be paid child benefit but this money must stay within this country and NOT transfered out the country to the country of origin. I am sure that these are not difficult things to do and the easiest thing to do it to get rid of this Political Correctness rubbish.
Just one more benefit, along with superior courts, parliament and lawmakers, that Britain gets from membership of the EU. Aren't you glad that millionaire Dave and the posh boys are looking after your interests so well? More ammo for UKIP. if you think you are paying too much tax, if you don't have a job, or a home, you know who to thank.
This was the Labour & Liberal policy to allow as many in as possible. thank goodness I have moved out for most of the year. They will want the NHS, schools and a handout as they cant work. says a lot for our MP's.
Nobody in power is listening, they don't care, they're working for the big bucks - as far as they're concerned it's profits before country always.Immigration and its consequences won't affect them in their country estates and foreign tax havens.
Romanians and Bulgarians will get free access to UK jobs market next year Its not jobs they want, its council houses and benefits. And we know what these two nationalist are famed for in Europe - crime.
Why do politicians keep saying there are not enough houses when surely they can see the problem is too many people.
The other day the newspapers were reporting a 30% increase in birth rate, I wonder why?
baby birth's up what a surprise guess where they come from, more babies, more benefits
Ridiculous,this country is a joke. I will never vote for the so called 2 main parties again or the 4th party lib dems. They have all betrayed this country over and over again.
At least East Europeans have, in the main, a strong work ethic and pay their taxes. Can't say that about some of the other migrant communities we've let in previously...
Did any politician ask the British people if they wanted wholesale immigration here?......The short answer is NO, because they know best you see...
What`s wrong with providing homes for these European Cousins ? They put up with the wonderful British Tourists and their cultural behaviour without complaint.
Unfortuntely the vast majority of those arriving from these more recent accession States, and those who are already in the UK because they have not been excluded just not legally been able to work, will not be looking for more than the very good benefits available without any contribution. Maybe we should introduce similar laws as those, for example, in one of the former communist Eastern European countries - Slovakia. To live here for more than 6 months with my (Slovak) wife I have had to register with the police who want to know how I will be living and whether I can finance myself without calling on their resources (this included providing bank statements and evidence of my income!). If unable to satisfy the police you are required to leave. Mind you, with the UK SIAC system the individuals will never be removed anyway.
YOU SAY THE JOB MARKET IM SURE YOU MUST MEAN THE BENIFIT MARKET, NHS MARKET, HOUSING MARKET AND EVERY OTHER MARKET WHERE THEY CAN GET SOMETHING FOR FREE.ALSO ALL THESE COMMUNST COUNTRIES THAT HAVE JOINED THE EU WHAT DO THEY PUT INTO IT OR ARE THEY LIKE OUR MP'S AND ARE JUST TAKERS
And the silly litte liberal do-gooders, and the simple folk who vote Labour, and the ostriches who vote Conservative will still stumble meekly into the voting booths and vote for these parties who will do nothing to save our country... We really do need a party and a leader who will confront the truth, and get us out of this mess. Is it UKIP and Farage?
And people STILL vote Labour who are responsible for this. The future ruination of what once was a proud and prosperous emigrant free country
We are all this together including the rest of Europe living here at our expense. It's scandalous!
Where would the Daily M ail be without its daily whinge about the immigrants. And what about the Western Europeans living and working in Britain, are they a different class of people?
You don't want all this Immigration!!!! Ah but don't forget to vote for those who fully want it and encourage it! You have the answer YOU could sort this out in the 2015 election! Is it that hard to understand!!!
To the borders agency staff: we know your hands are pretty tied but if you can do your best to deal with as many as you can and just hang in until the next election when we can replace this pointless government with one that will give you the power and resources to save the country.
How on earth do the government expect to sort out our fiscal mess when they let this happen. They are stupid!
"Immigrants come with new skills and new ideas. They fill a critical part in our labor market. They work hard for a better life. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they help invigorate our soul," George W. Bush Dallas 4/12/2012
How many will be claiming FREE Benefits as soon as they work out which are the most lucrative boxes to tick ? What will be the TOTAL cost to the UK Tax Payer ??? Anyone care to put a figure on that from the DM ???
And what about the 80% of ALL immigrants who came here in the past 15 years who are from OUTSIDE the EU and from the third world nations? Or are we now too scared to say that truth and are instead going to make out as though most immigration has been from Eastern Europe?
That fool Osbourne needs to plan extra spending by many millions to accommodate the hoards of immigrants heading our way not cut spending......time to vote UKIP
Put the wall back up and raise the iron curtain. Already the saturat
Anyone up for a civil war?
The majority of people in this country have never been consulted on mass immigration and don't want it. The day will come and probably not too far off where the patience of the public will snap. And those in power will only have themselves to blame. The EU has been the biggest con trick ever played and those in power have constantly fallen for it. Time is give those who really know a say which is an In/Out referendum.
can our politicians not see or care how the people of this country feel by all the green arrows on this page,or dont they care, they dont seem to be struggling, like working people. They are out of touch with reality
HOW MANY BILLIONS WOULD WE SAVE IF WE DIDNT HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS LOT, WHEN IS ENGLAND GOING TO WAKE UP AND STOP PANDERING TO THE CHAKRABATI LOT
Vote BNP. The only real protest vote!
It's a lot more than 1 million.
Why was this allowed to happen? Furthermore - thanks to the EU - those who come here from Eastern Europe will now also gain free access to our Benefits system and the NHS meaning that even more people will be entitled to live here for free at our expense. It's a national scandal.
We can all do our bit to help reverse this. Walk out of any business that employs them, support companies that use British call centers and avoid companies like kraft, cadburys and twinings tea, who have exported jobs abroad. If we don't wake up and do something they'll be absolutly nothing left, we're slowly slitting our own throats by putting up with this
Do you know what I love about this country!? It always puts the British first! ....oh wait....
A million migrants from East Europe MAY be living LEGALLY in UK but only a few weeks ago, we was told there would be 5 million from Bulgaria (its entire population) WHICH FACTS are we to believe? I thin no ONE, be they Angel, Saxon Celt or any other race that makes up UK has objections to LEGAL immigration. Tell us what OUR employees in Westminister are DOING about illegal immigration.
How about housing for the British before they start to house foreigners?UKIP please hurry up and get into power !
Immigration and workfare will bankrupt the very things that make Britain Great, the jewell in our crown the NHS, our safety net the WELFARE STATE & COUNCIL HOUSING. There is a much bigger agenda going on here, and the LIB/LAB/CON NWO ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER! Wake up people this most certainly will not benefit the 99% of us.
Headline....."Wimbledon Common turned into housing for Uncle Bulgaria"............
Our country has been swamped and ruined.
"100,000 new homes will be built to accommodate the expanding British population". Erm, isn't that "Eastern European in Britain" population?
And that's just from eastern Europe! What sort of work do they do?
NO MORE !!! If they don't have JOBS that allow them to BUY Property, then DO NOT let them in !!! Let COMMON SENSE prevail on this one. More People in means more accomodation needed ... COMMON SENSE !!!
Wonder who would work at all the low paying cleaning (starting 4am finishing 11pm!! I did not see ONE single brit doing that sort of job in none of the hotels or offices worked at) do the live in cheap babysitting (24hrs 6days out of 7 for 800 pounds), restaurant jobs (for 6 pounds an hour and be demanded the hell out of it)??? Surely not a true and obnoxiously proud of himself brit! Because you rather would sit at home getting benefits and complaining to dailymail how you spent years on education, head to toe in loans, but it's the government that is supposed to find you a job. Whatever the article was about this girl that was 'put' to work in a poundshop - oh horror!!! You need to learn to have a working etiquette, lay off the benefits yourself, suck it up or you become extinct. Always someone else is guilty for your own faults. Well, listen closely - It's not the immigrants(wether eastern european or african) that are creating this atmosphere - it's You.
I always refer the the EU as the EUSSR, looks like I am spot on. We will have most of the old Eastern Bloc welfare seekers flocking to our doors. What other country will give you a house, free medical, free education, all bills paid etc? None. Only Britain is stupid enough to do it. Want to know the reason? go on the internet and type in Frankfurt School of Subversion and you will see that the plan from the 30's is almost complete. We have to get out of the EUSSR while we still have something to salvage. After July 2014 it will be almost impossible and that's what Cameron is stalling for.
Vote BNP.
You must learn to - welcome - all our friends from the EU countries. Roll out the red carpet for all of them - by voting for any three of our - EU fanatical - parties. Please don't have anything to do with UKIP - they will only stop all this fun.
If you think the Polish were cheap labour and undercut the British worker, you haven't seen anything yet. Romanians and Bulgarians (who granted are hard workers) will undercut the Polish who in turn will end up out of work and claiming benefits just as many British have. Politicians need the courage to admit when they are wrong and adapt policies accordingly. Once this has happened the clock can never be turned back!
Provide for those British who have worked and payed taxes in Britain, cut the immigrants who come here for free housing,hospital treatment,doctors treatment,schooling and benefits etc,Cameron was going to cut immigration so he said, but then he also said he would give us a referendum on in or out of the EU. U-Turn Tories -------------
how much of a burden is that going to be on the NHS ,housing, job market , education , criminal and legal system and of course benefits, its madness all the politicians do is to cut back even more,and hike up taxes to pay for it all, surely the way forward is to say No more, at least UKIP have the guts do do something about this idiotic situation, rather than following the European line which is to ignore and put your head in the sand
My sister-in-law's mum has just be diagnosed with cancer for the second time and she has been told that they cannot do anything until end of January as they have NO beds. I feel so angry as we just how many of these beds are taken by people who have not contributed to the NHS or come here purely for the free heatlhcare. It is absolutely shameful and can only now get worse!
.The system for allocating public housing is biased against locally born people. Friends of mine living in Southampton got into extreme difficulty and eventually moved back to their home town of Brighton, to live temporally with parents. On applying to be put on the housing list they were told that they were not eligible, because by moving back to Brighton they had deliberately made themselves homeless. This ruling doesn't seem to apply to immigrants. By moving to this country have they not made themselves deliberately homeless. And please don't say that immigrants do not easily access public housing. There are hundreds around here that have.
I'm looking for work and went to a job centre cv workshop, there were two polish people there, both could barely speak English...
No building on green belts! They are there to stop the very devElopment that is being proposed. What makes this generation of government think that they are and more advanced to be right to get rid of them? We are full, no more, control our own population too - people having 9-15 kids because the state pays them to breed. Enough is enough
VOTE UKIP
I've said it before and I'll say it again...if we don't vote UKIP to change this idiocy we will all be paying for this for the rest of our lives and how do you explain to your children...well we used to have a great coutry but we gave it away? What's happening here borders on treason...hang them all.
UKIP
WAKE UP, this is all part of a bigger agenda.
Successive British Governments have betrayed the British people and allowed an invasion of this country who were never wanted by the people already here All these politicians are traitors and should be put on trial for treason starting with Blair Brown and Cameron after all immigration is stopped
They will have no allegiance to the uk and therefore a massive rise in benefit fraud, tax evasion and crime. This country will go to pot quicker than it is now.
Is the EU giving us a subsidy to cope with the HUGE impact of immigration will have on our economy? If not why not? Is there a bigger agenda going on here? It won't be long before we are bankrupt and have a technocrat forced upon us like Greece.
'And its all the loony lefts fault - Andy HB, Hebden Bridge, 4/12/2012 22:22' ++++ Yes it is, and you've left up to the looney right to offer a solution.
Sorry but I think those numbers are very wrong, THERE ARE AT LEAST 2-3 MILLION more Lithuanian and Poles living here now
Guess where all the houses, school places, hospital resources and benefit payments went? This is not right.
And the rest it's millions
Just keep on building nice warm homes on our green fields, that will keep them coming. Not Britain / Barmy
Andy HB,Hebden Bridge-come out of you nice cosy little Country Town and have a real good look around.Look at the state of this Country and then say it was not the Left Wing who did this.Blair,Brown and all the other Socialist Rabble should be Prosecuted for bringing this Country down.Whooping Couch was virtually extinct in this Country.
DM readers really get my goat. First you moan that "foreigners" are taking all the houses and then you moan because the government want to build lots of new houses. You can't have it both ways.
Lets face it. All recient Governments are CLUELESS. The people who live and go to a proper job on a daily basis in London have know the extent of this problem for years. When you can leave your house to go to work and not hear English spoken until you get to work you know something is wrong. What will this government do about it, NOTHING. They are Powerless though they say otherwise....another question ! why are so many African, South American and people from the Arabic countries being allowed to stay and work here. They are not EU Members...YET!
get us out of the EU we can then keep our green and pleasant land green
Is the EU giving us a subsidy to cope with the HUGE impact of immigration will have on our economy? If not why not? Is there a bigger agenda going on here? It won't be long before we are bankrupt and have a technocrat forced upon us like Greece.
This is happening because unlike Mr. Hollobone M.P. who I also know has been vocal about returning foreign prisoners back to their own country and well done him.. too many M.P's do not do not care what is happening to their own citizens and the effects this is having on communities.. especially women like my daughter, feeling intimidated on her way home from work and when she had my grandson with her. Thankfully we moved her a few years ago. So when I hear of this new influx it makes me angry. Nearly half of the new houses to be built will already have to be for migrants already here,,..this will only put on more pressure to build more homes. We are being dumped on.
UKIP!!
UKIP!
This is utter madness, would any of the other EU countries concrete over there green belt lands just to house immigrants, When Britain is just one mass of concrete that will get flooded regularly, when there is no jobs or money to pay these immigrants they can just go back home to there own decent country side and leave us in the mess it will cause. VOTE UKIP IT IS OUR ONLY CHANCE TO STOP THIS NONSENSE.
Nothing demonstrates the complete and utter uselessness of our Government and our politial elite in general than the inability to control our borders. LibLabCON cheerfully admit that they cannot stop an unlimited influx of foreigners - but instead of proposing to reclaim control of our borders, instead they propose to concrete over southern England to provide them with housing. This isn't going to change whilst we remain in the EU and LibLabCON are all committed to remaining under the control of Brussels. If you want your country back ....... and you want immigration severely restricted, UKIP is the only answer.
What Hitler could not achieve, Liebor and the Con-Merchants have achieved - the cultural destruction of Britain and its proud heritage. Farewell dear Britain, I shall honor you in memory as the land that gave me a fine education, gave me my rich Welsh heritage and my pride in the deeds of my forefathers. Farewell...
Is this why I'm out of work for the first time in 30 years.?
We are loosing our culture, and also will be out voted. The super-rich who now run us only care to get richer whilst the poor get poorer. People now have no choice but vote Ukip.
All the comments on here are very short sighted.a lot of migrants come and contribute to welfare system by doing the jobs that lazy British don't do cuz they on benefits.so who's worse??try and get over your racism fear and interact.i met my future wife who's from Slovakia and she has contributed £40,000 in tax and only has NHS given back to her.whereas I was born here educated here.i owe a hell of a lot more.
How much are we paying out in child benefit to immigrants who's kids don't even live here & are there stringent checks in place to make sure these kids actually exist? Is the EU offering subsidies to us for the cost of mass EU immigration & are these subsidies enough? THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE ANSWERED. IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN THERE IS A MUCH MORE INSIDIOUS AGENDA GOING ON HERE.
All moaning but you have no one but yourselves to blame. Too many of you taken in by Blair and his socialist lies, not once, not twice, but three times and most of you can't face it. Shame on all of you. Damn trendies have wrecked this country. I'm off.
REFERENDUM NOW - TORIES OUT!
NOTHING will stop this further immigration into the UK,- WHY ?, Answer - Because NOT one thing in the last 30 odd years has stopped the development of the Socialist EU Super State. (aka EUSSR) Anyway all the 3 main Parties, which people have voted for over and over again( Lib/Lab/Con) all want to be in the EU and they will decide your future , NOT YOU. * And just for a laugh, try these questions on your MP. " Have you read the Lisbon Treaty " ?. or this * Is it illegal to criticize the EU yet ? or *Do you think Turkey should join the EU ? or *Should the UK join the Euro.?
All moaning but you have no one but yourselves to blame. Too many of you taken in by Blair and his socialist lies, not once, not twice, but three times and most of you can't face it. Shame on all of you. Damn trendies have wrecked this country. I'm off.
Oh just great absolutely dandy !!!!
but our leaders told us kicking out all the highly skilled workers from the US was supposed to stop all this.
Kick them all out and leave the E.U. Immigration has to stop now and this country has to stop being such a soft touch for everyone including us Brits.
Sorry, I don`t understand. Why does Britain have to provide housing for immigrants ?>>>>>>>> We dont, but think about it - if you were a house building company wouldnt you want to be building as many houses as possible? its all about profits!!! if you can get the government to give planning permission on that prime bit of land that you have always wanted to build on then think of the profts!!!!!! money money money. Dont let the DM fool you into thinking the government is doing it begrudgingly.....they want their share of stamp duty, and VAT etc.....and this is the perfect excuse to finally give the go ahead. Housing company order books will be full and so will the bankers pockets when all those new mortgages get taken on at ridiculous APR's!!
People have a right to free movement within the E.U. Not free money or scrounging. Come here by all means but pay your way if not you must go back to the last point of benefits and housing. It's not our job to house all of Europe's misfits. Mr Cameron get a back bone.
There must be a bigger more INSIDIOUS AGENDA going on here. This is about breaking the back of the NHS & our safety net, the welfare state, the very things that make Britain Great. Camoron is always blaming our welfare state for the national debt but does nothing to stop immigrants claiming. Does nothing to stop benefit breeding, discourages the creation of jobs through workfare, and will be making the housing crisis worse when he raises council rents to 80% of those in the private sector pushing more into poverty & inflating the need for housing by not stopping immigration. Most immigrants will claim benefits in the form of tax credits and child benefit, plenty don't work at all like my Polish drink/drug addict neighbour from hell, parties all night till 4am, he's on the sick. I CANT SLEEP AT NIGHT BUT AM EXPECTED TO WORK AND PAY FOR HIS BENEFIT SO HE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE MY LIFE HELL.
lets be fair about this;we will always have migration between countries but there does seem to be a large number who come to Britain and bring nothing with them except an open palm. We do need some controls to limit this and we MUST get some control of our borders back from the Brussels gravy train style of legislation.
Ahh you must love this DM and your xenophobic followers...Eastern European people moving intro your countryside..well the landowners countryside... They'll probably bring some nasty tree disease with them too eh? And steal our babies! And its all the loony lefts fault - Andy HB , Hebden Bridge, 04/12/2012 22:22 = im glad you think its all a joke , when your children have no were to go no job no home , maybe then you wont be so condisending , as a liberal you belive this ISNT the lefts fault ??? was it the right or tories who signed us away for this ? or was it gordon brown ? and yes the ash tree killer was proven to come from eastern europe BUT due to left wing policy of NOT letting anyone know incase it made them look bad , your children will probably never see an english ash , thats if the forests havent been paved to accomodate more people , where are the jobs for these people ? not up in hebden thats for sure , so carry on milking my tax money you scrounger while where i l i
Seen many new houses built lately ? No.It'll just mean we're more crowded like rats in traps with rents going up and up.
Lies, lies and more lies, two million more like. Someone should have a word in Cameron's and Osborne's ear (I can no longer put Mr in front of their names)that immigration costs. Not their business friends but the regular worker.
The money to build these houses comes from where? Pensions? Vote UKIP
Before we pay out benefits to migrants we should make them prove that they have paid into their own system, (I.E. the old stamp card is fully paid up), and that they can prove that they have actively looked for employment in their own country for a minimum period of time-just like we have to. If they fail to tick all the boxes they should be kicked out. By the way, how many more supermarket car parks need walk around car washers?
Do I recall a certain Labour PM called Mr Blair saying this would never happen and it was a figment of the media. Well Tony it has happened, add that to your list of failings.
I just don't see the benefits of being in the EU at all, its ridiculous, its scares me to think what the uk will end up like....do you wonder why the uk is in a mess.
You must email no10 or your local mp with your thoughts in this. This country can barely look after its own we cannot take anymore. We have all but lost our British identity. This country is in austere times and they want to waste our taxes on dragging more people in. Please message no10 or your mp
Have I got this right. We'll have less greenbelt land on which to produce food for an increased population so we'll be forced to import food from counties who no longer have enough resident farm workers to cultivate their land to provide sufficient surplus for export because they've moved here to claim state benefits and those who do find work here bfind it at the expense of our own workforce and send money back to their relatives out of this economy rather than spending it on the high street. This is not sound fiscal policy, Mr Cameron, this is Economic suicide.
So this is what the need for more housing is about! Vote UKIP!
Swathes of countryside will be built over, and then they will cram 20 in a room to save money, thus allowing space for even more to come. It's like building motorways; the more provision you make, the more the problem grows.
This is another reason why we are in debt but the govt targets the vulnerable among us instead of having the guts to say to Europe "NO MORE MIGRANTS"
Make life harder for those who are already here LACK OF JOBS AND SECURE HOUSING. ITS OK FOR THE SUITS, THEY GOT IT MADE
The UK and Poland have a very strong history together, particularly during WWII, so I understand that relationship (common values, common history, rule of law etc.). Poles (at least of my father's generation) didn't consider themselves from 'Eastern Europe', but the last bastion of Western Europe! And it is my understanding that the Poles end up going home at some point. However, the unchecked permanent migration of Romanians, Bulgarians etc. may prove the tipping point for the UK. I don't even live in the UK and the thought of green belt land being turned over in order to house new immigrants makes me sad.
What are they doing here? Boot them out. Stop building anymore houses for them. They have bigger countries so they should go back. Our country is too small to accommodate everybody. They are not our problems. Their countries should be dealing with their own problems. Why should we have to deal with everybody's problems?
The destruction of our British Society continues apace thanks to The Political Classes in "great" BRITAIN and their friends in Europe..
election now ukip for me
Thats why i am voting UKIP. We have idiots in power .
So many immigrants are hard working decent people,but there isn't enough jobs or housing for our own British population.How are other EU countries managing to curb the numbers entering?.We are known as a soft touch! Unfortunately we are becoming resentful towards the immigrants and more people will become racist if this situation continues.Why can't the government see what is happening and listen to the people they are paid to represent?!
" 1 million migrants now live in the UK"- AND THE REST
Plenty of quality Romanians...... we won't get them though, nor should we, Romania needs them.
Surely we have no obligation to house any immigrants. That's one way of controlling numbers. If they find there's nowhere for them to live they will soon return to their own countries.
If we are being told 'one million' then you can bet you need to double or even treble it to get the true number. My guess is around three million from eastern european states here in the UK. Don't forget, this does not include Russians and Ukranians, of which there nust be 500k - 750k.
yes we can thank the labour party for this.David Blunket said i see no reason to cap imigration.
This is all very well... but remember, 761,000 British people currently live in Spain alone. God, I don't want them back.
And we're supposed to be proud of that ?
Uk tip
I think we should bring the country to a halt.. Stop this now.....
We need workers to support our benefits system and the massive nhs. I know everyone likes to moan on here but we are desperate for them to generate an income we can tax
Our country is being destroyed from the inside by our politicians. This and previous Governments know full well it will destroy our country, however, they need millions more before they will offer a referendum on the EU, to ensure the vote goes their way. AND WE STILL DO NOTHING BUT MOAN.
Yes, you're going to accommodate the new arrivals and help them find a job when young British adults are struggling to pay off their university fees and find a job. Not to mention the fact that they will never be home owners. Well done Britain!
The Ottoman Empire once tried this approach too. I guess the eu believe that by moving and blending nationalities they will find it easier to control those nations later down the line. The continuation of the destruction of the nation state. Funny though that it was the British govt under Tony Blair that insisted on taking in the east European nations against the wishes of France and Germany .... And even more bemusing that all those who vote labour are most likely to be affected by their legacy ....
Andy HB, try opening your eyes you clown.
Selling Britain out by the pound
WHEN WILL THEY ALL REALIZE THAT WE DO NOT WANT THESE DAMN PEOPLE HERE
Get them out.....simple!
I hope my vote to UKIP next general election will reduce this to minus 1.5m!
I'm 29, my family and background is working class. My husband is Portuguese and I live in Portugal. I'm also a DM reader. Does immigration from Europe to the UK need to be stemmed? Well when I see my pregnant friend having to live in a hostel with her partner for 18 months because they can't get a council house, or having to give up their private rented homes and becoming essentially homeless because their partner is now out of work as a labourer for months every year, replaced by Poles who will work on the cheap, or my sister who had to move counties with her partner while she was pregnant because they might have a better shot at a council house there (1 year later, they still don't have one)....yes of course I think it needs to stop. These things are happening right now to real people and if you can't see it then it's not the DM readers you despise who are ignorant. But what do I know? I'm just a xenophobic, bigotted DM reader who secretely hates her foreign husband.
I watched several EU migrants exiting an expensive restaurant in Aberdeen last week dressed like typical members of a mafia outfit. It won't be long before Aberdeen has a problem with serious crime.
Stop voting Lib/Lab/CCon
We have continent size countries like Australia who are so strict on immigration, yet we are a 'million' times smaller than them and we are too complacent. The sad thing is that we will end up having so many immigrants who will probably have the right to vote and they will never vote UKIP knowing that things could get worse for them.
Britain has nothing much in common with people from eastern europe. Shut the gates, ditch the Eussr and grow the commonwealth instead.
This won't end well!
Sorry but it was game over the moment we joined the EW . Nothing will change till we get out . Cameron will not do that or give the people the right to change our minds .
When is the English / European Law going to be enforced. After 3 months with no work they must return to their home country
why can't the government see that these people are not wanted nor have any right to be here.
And what about non Europeans, nobody talks about them, only 20% of all immigration is from all Europe, 80% is from outside Europe.
And the damage will be well done before we get a chance to Vote in a Government (UKIP) that has the courage to do anything about it..
Well Dave I can tell you we are sick to the back teeth of all this immigration rubbish,and you can take that whichever way you like.Couple that with all the bad news we are going to get today,one step foreward and three back,even you can see we are pretty hacked off.I would cut a deal with Forage asap, and save us the horror of Labour and the Lib Dems ever having anything to do with the running of this country ever again.Our belts are about as tight as they will go,if that door is not shut soon I see chaos acoming.
...and you are still scratching your heads as to why we have no economic growth...... CAP IMMIGRATION!!!!!!!!!!!
Public services already at breaking point, further cysts expected to be announced later today. We're full....!!!!!!!!!!!
Politicians let them in,,,,so why look to the electorate for support for your own, and Nulabs gross miscalculation, indifference, complacency, and willingness to give away OUR TAX MONEY, AND OUR JOBS.
I went back to look where I was born in the late 1940's, it was me that was the foreigner, south east london could have been any where in the world,sadly not ENGLAND
What part of their tiny little minds thinks its a good idea to keep letting immigrants in?! They complain that there's too little jobs and the benefits system is overrun but they continue to let more and more in! We're only a small island and we've been full for a long time! Where will it stop? When our British generations fizzle out to give way to the immigrants young? They breed like rabbits! Give them all their own state in America! Would accommodate all of our unwanted guests and hundreds of thousands more!
dey tuk err jerbs!
Thank you Tony Blair. THIS is your legacy. The biggest social change to our nation and he did it without any mandate from the people. He did it on the back of a 'yes' vote to a common market which happened in 1972.!! Liar and a cheat.
As long as we continue to have such a generous benefit system that includes Housing for all incomers they will keep coming. We must be the most stupid Country in the World, there is no other Country that bends over backwards to make these Immigrants as welcome as we do. The only way to control it is not to pay out to any one that has not paid in. The Taxpayers in this Country are being squeezed to the hilt and the savers that have done the right thing are losing out big time, we have saved towards our Pension and worked all our lives and we are losing well over £100 per week on our savings and Pension. There must be many more like us. The very People that have contributed nothing are living it up at our expense. Not worth saving and looking after oneself in this Country.
and the idiots tell us how great multiculturism is for this country.
VOTE BNP!
Regarding this immigration malarkey, nothing is going to change until they housed in, or next door to politicians. As they protect themselves above all else, they aren't going to feel anything. You must make them feel.
Come to the UK, get everything for free at the taxpayers expense!!!!! Only in the UK!!!!
Referendum or revolution Cameron. The choice is yours.
eyeCU13 for someone with a masters degree you're massively naive, people from Bulgaria will come, it's free and they'll get better benefits, not every Bulgarian has a masters degree and is living it up in Denmark, the poor who have nothing have a shot in one of the world's major economies and that shot will be taken, I have a masters degree too in Biochemistry and I am now a research scientist in this wonderful country that gave us, Newton, Darwin, Hawking and Higgs, the world wide web and common law so have a bit more respect, people have reason to be upset by this unreasonable volume of immigration when youth unemployment is 21% so go and fix a computer or something.
don't get me wrong but very soon we the Brits will revolt...
When will this stop ? Hospitals are struggling, schools are overcrowded and there ARE NO MORE HOUSES. I know , tax us more, make us work longer, increase our NI contributions, raise petrol prices etc and then we can help all these poor migrants. I sleep better at night knowing i have to work till i drop so migrants can have a better life.
Is this what being in the EU has done for us. Its the reverse of the brain drain
this will continue to happen as long as we remain in the European union, is it any wonder why the countries with the highest standard of living are all outside of the EU? by a member of the EU's own admission they will make it as painful as possible for the UK to leave, out of sheer malice and spite, I'd rather have some dignity and leave than follow an idealist political agenda that is out ideas, has a failing currency and wants to become a federal state without consent, the EU is ideal for the little countries as they would be nowhere without it, but Britain can be independent and save herself.
TThey say we have built on 9% of land and that to build all these new homes, we oil need to build on only another 3%. But this represents 33% more housing than we have already in total! I bet the Swiss haven't had as many immigrants. England is already the most densely populated country in Europe. Are we going to increase our road capacity by a third as well, our railways, our hospitals, schools etc. Etc.? I might go and try to find somewhere nice to live in one of these countries they're all deserting in droves, maybe some 'lebensraum' there and nicer weather to boot.
I'm all for it when it's done in a sensible way: Our culture is made more flexible and varied, as in cuisine, while catering better for all visitors and promoting better understanding of different cultures; but It's a little late now! The EU have been emboldened by the likes of the La La, Labour Party's free-for-all access without proper checks, to impose their multi-cultureism wherever it can, and all without permission the indvidual country, leaving us open to an increase of the immigration mess we are already in; where we don't know what they do, where they are, and whether they are still here or not!
shut up moaning! and pay.........
What have we done wrong to owe these people our land and jobs? I hate the EU, paying millions a day for top few percent to prosper.
I've always said that what this country needs is more immigration. - Roger, London, 04/12/2012 17:10 It seems people are not getting your joke Roger.
These people don't leave their home country on a whim. They come here because they are desperate, and we should do all we can to help them and make them feel welcome. - Fatherofthree, Belfast, United Kingdom, 04/12/2012 18:29 Well, why don't you put a couple up in your back bedroom?
No no no no no. This has got to stop. This government has lost control and has no realistic plans for the future. The loosers will be the British people. Today there will be more tax increases, more cutbacks and its the British who will have to pay whilst the eastern europeans come to this country to live in houses we provide, take our jobs, and send 25% of their money back to their own country to keep there families. Britain does not gain anything. We support our athletes in the olympics but not our country. WAKE UP, because it will all end in tears. History shows how we always fought for this country to keep it a free land, but now we are just giving it away.
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SAY IT...... GET US OUT OF THE E.U. NOW.
I'M VOTING UKIP.
Vote ukip I certainly will be, first time ever but its pretty obvious we need the people born and bread need to act now. VOTE UKIP
Predicting immigration figures need not be a "very difficult exercise". Suspend immigration until further notice. Use our Armed Forces to patrol and protect our borders, defending our Nation against invasion being the reason for their existence. Immigration figures would then become very much easier to predict.
Only God owns the planet. You can live anywhere you want without your human right harassment.
Philip Hollobone as long as the area around your constituency is used then you may be right. But then as we all know you are a NIMBY and you will make sure that these people will be as far away from you as is possible. You are all alike and nothing has changed in all my voting life. I remember when people from the West Indies started to arrive in Britain a debate was aired on the television and your equivalent of that time also said that the housing would not be a problem but they would not be given space where he lived. I'm a seventy year old and have always voted conservative up until now. I and many others of my age will never vote for your party again, you have made more U Turns than there are junctions on the M1.
Ahh you must love this DM and your xenophobic followers...Eastern European people moving intro your countryside..well the landowners countryside... They'll probably bring some nasty tree disease with them too eh? And steal our babies! And its all the loony lefts fault- Andy HB , Hebden Bridge, 04/12/2012 22:22 +++++++++++That's right, attack us and call us xenophobic, anything but admit the truth about the situation in Britain and the fact that we're overcrowded.
So the 1.5% of immigrants arriving here are going to get nearly 50% of all new houses that are built ????
Please please leave europe Britain, then your famous world banking center will move to Germany, your trading options will deminish, your transport sector, farm worker sector will colapse because you have thrown out the people who do the work, please leave then the rest of us in Europe will see how the mighty rule Britania rules nothing anymore. Also stop Blaming europe, people move to Britain because you have such a soft social system, your quite happy to let the likes of some British families (story last week how British family have 15 kids)suck social benifits but if a european working mother has a baby in the uk after having worked there all her adult life and paid taxes you say she is unintitled.Make your benefit system harder to abuse, for British as well and you wont be such a soft target. Per capita other countries have the same amount of immigrants as you. Difference is other contries dont have ramapnt teenage mothers and a fake disabled population, oh but they are British!!!!
I for one (among many) am voting UKIP next time, instead of Tory. Why do we have to spoil our countryside to give free money and homes to immigrants? If we must spend our money so badly, why not pay to build them homes in their own country (which would be cheaper) and send them money to live on? If their cost of living in these other countries are lower than ours, it wouldn't cost us so much, plus there would be less of a drain on our services. By all means, let those who've established themselves here, stay, but close the floodgates now.
I for one (among many) am voting UKIP next time, instead of Tory. Why do we have to spoil our countryside to give free money and homes to immigrants? If we must spend our money so badly, why not pay to build them homes in their own country (which would be cheaper) and send them money to live on? If their cost of living in these other countries are lower than ours, it wouldn't cost us so much, plus there would be less of a drain on our services. By all means, let those who've established themselves here, stay, but close the floodgates now.
This is what comes of leaving the door open. You should have got rid of this senile attraction for the EU years ago. Now you must pay the price and subsidise everyone else in the EU bar yourselves.
Stack them high!! Why have we stopped building skyscraper housing? I don't really have a problem with people coming here if they contribute. BUT i absolutely deplore people coming here to get a house and live off benefits when we cant even look after our own. Someone commented on Churchill on here and i kind of agree. Our standard of life is bring directly impacted by freeloaders seeking a better life at our expenses. Back in the day, we would have got our rifles out and defended our borders. I don't want this to happen of course but people have fought wars to gain the right to live in other countries. I hope we don't start experiencing unrest
What I don't understand is why you guys just accept things. Form groups, protest. Make your voices heard. With social media it will just go viral. We can laws changed here if enough citizens complain and make a fuss. A lot of our new laws actually are named after someone. We have our immigration problems but our country obviously larger and we still have wide open spaces. I hope England doesn't lose its identity or lovely countrysides. Since coming on DM I am really saddened that my image of England was just a fantasy, well I knew it was, but it was a lovely fantasy.
Our idiot leaders have given away the country to demonstrate how fair and democratic they are. Oh yes, and let's not forget who voted them in.
Stupid this, why are the UK letting more people in when they are clearly full, it will be a sad day when they build on the protected green belt land, this is another reason why I moved to Vancouver. Something has got to give otherwise surely people are going to get angry and take to the streets and protest.
It's hard to comprehend that our politicians (Labour or Tory) seem to think this is OK. Their children will have to live with the consequences as well. Or maybe not if they go to posh private schools and live in Hampstead.
Send them back where they belong we dont want them,most are criminals
This sounds like a crime against nature about to happen. What a waste World War II was. Britain may as well have waved a white flag and got it over with ... a 1,000 years building a country and it only takes 70 years to destroy it.
Great...
refuse them right to stay if no housing is available. Our LITTLE country is full therefore we can no longer accommodate those wishing to settle here for economic reasons.
Another exaggerated story by the bilious DM - Stupid arses
Andy HB im guessing ur not from the uk.U must feel great now that ur knuckles arent touching the floor any more
The UK will sink without immigrants
The sinister thing is that the Government seems to be carrying out what is in effect a culling of the old people, the native Brits who worked and paid taxes all their lives, only to end up existing on a pension at starvation level, freeze to death, and be hounded out of their homes through council taxes they can't afford, into horrid nursing homes or hospitals where they are actively encouraged to die quickly. Houses, land, money and resources are diverted to make way for millions of Welfare-dependent immigrants who are guaranteed to vote for the politicians who give them most.
No No No..... don't build MORE houses. We don't need MORE houses. We need fewer people. Get out of the vile EU, close our borders and the problem is instantly solved. Our population will drop by MILLIONS. Plenty empty, boarded up houses in need of repair. Plenty brown field sites just screaming for love and attention. Leave the countryside alone. It is for US, the British people to enjoy and love. It's NOT for building on and it's NOT for immigrants. British people FIRST at all times. Vote UKIP and get us out of the much hated and corrupt EU.
We do not need anymore immigrants, we do need out of Europe. What we do need is U.K.I.P.!!!
GOD NO, NOT MORE......we must find a way to stop the pillage of Britain and breeding out of its people. Tony Blair and the treacherous left in their trendy gated communities must be so happy watching working class Brits getting shafted.....get us out of this stinking sinking Euro suicide pact....
If all this new house building is required for immigrants where are they living now. How will they afford to buy these properties as most are on minimum or agency wages and why can't they just buy the existing houses for sale of which there are plenty. Or is it that the majority indigenous population are to subsidise these properties for people brought in to this country to deliberately keep wages down due to a surplus of labour.
Get out of the EU, scrap the lawyers payday human Rights charter and don't allow the Romanians et al entry. simples!
Don't let 'em in for all our sakes
Time for that REFERENDUM. Time for a government with the BACKBONE to halt what is, I'm afraid, invasion and cultural destruction by stealth and all with the collusion of our home grown TRAITORS in the British Parliamentary EU Provincial Satrapy. Forget misplaced party loyalties, they are ALL traitors. Time to VOTE UKIP at each and every opportunity, no one else will fight for Britain.
The more the merrier, let em all come.
A point system is in order like Australia...if they don't qualify then don't let them in. Charity begins at home, remember that expression, about time that was put in place too. If we let anymore people in to bleed the government dry it's going to be again on the tax payers shoulders...shame that it has come to this...as more immigrants come in more British will move out....its disgusting that the British cannot be put first in their own country, my grandad will be turning in his grave!!
SEND THEM BACK, AND DON'T LET ANYMORE IN. SIMPLES! Sack anybody in government who cannot understand this simple principle.
They aren't wanted.
We can't afford to sustain the benefits and healthcare for people already in this country, we simply cannot afford to pay for a large influx of more immigrants. We are struggling to create enough jobs in this country, what work is there for all these immigrants? The government is supposed to be cutting the deficit how is that going to happen if we have to pay for more benefits and healthcare for hundreds of thousands of extra people? It looks like we are going to get an increase in crime as immigrants will find it hard to find work.
The answer is simple UKIP wait and see tax will have to go up to pay for EU immigrants who won't work but feast from our benefit system. I'm in Egypt with no benefit system everyone seems to get by. No housing benefit, JSA, no housing benefit here but we all get by. UK is toxic
Why do we have to let them in....... France, Holland, Spain and other countries will not, so put the full up signs on the entry doors and tell them to sod off!
As I understand it to move to some of the EU countries not only do you need a work permit, you need a written proof tha the job you are going too cant be done by their own workers for whatever reason. Furthermore you need to have a pre-entry language understanding. Furthermore if you break laws other than driving offences you are taken to the nearest airport and got rid of and your passport is logged forbidding your return. Entry into the UK started in ernest ( no pun intended) with Ernest Marples the tory minister for labour who brought in hundreds of Italians to work in the brick pits as our pit workers were striking for more money. This was the start of the tory cheap labour pool and has continued gradually ever since until more recent years when the flood gates opened. Why do they all want to come here ? Benefits for all at normal working tax payers expence. Benefit fraud and housing benefit fraud is rife, petty crime is up as well, its time to draw a line in the sand.
Swathes of countryside will be built over to accommodate new arrivals, and swathes of countryside are taken over by travelers, good luck with all that, I'm glad we got out when we did. Past and present governments have ruined a once great country, and turned their backs on the hard working tax payers, and pensioners.
NO! Britain is drowning, quite literally, under the weight of concrete and tarmac now. Europe has huge swathes of unoccupied land, Britain does not. We cannot house British people, and should absolutely not be housing immigrants. If they cannot buy a home here and support themselves financially on top of that, then they must not be allowed to come here.
The government needs to CUT SPENDING..not think of laying this terrible burden at the gate of the poor poor working people of UK, the government INFORMS us that we must prepare for this invasion. how dare they. British people should demand that Britain brings in a new law banning more immigrants from entering, tell EU where to go, we will lose control of our own country. too much damage has already been done by over population.
How about look after your own homeless first. I saw about a dozen homeless people in Birmingham today.
The need for a referendum on Europe is NOW then its problem solved ,All the "better off" E.U countrys are having the same problem ,people coming from places with a limited benifits system to ours ,come here get a free house.NHS ,maternity ,list goes on . Thats the only answer to stop our infrastructure breaking down under sheer numbers ,its a policy of madness . There wont be any greenbelt left for my grandchildren to see they will have to go to eastern europe to witness trees and wildlife in its natural habitat all due to the failings of us over the next few years . UKIP ,come on save us ,a alternative to the waste of space other 3 partys .
why is everything in the UK now geared to towards the Immigrant population, I beleive that the UK citizen should be first and foremost. but if you beleive all you you read and are told the UK citizen, is becoming or is now classed as a second class citizen. When will there a govervment who will stand up for the rights of the british citizen and start to put thier own people above the immigrant population, Why hasthe UK got to make housing available to the new wAve of immigrants that are due in the UK, if there is no room for them then they should not be allowed to enter the UK.
My theory is uncontrolled immigration has been and is being used to delay a housing market crash. It will all inevitably end in a catastrophe. This country was and is governed by lunatics. VOTE UKIP as it is not a wasted vote if UKIP can gain seats from in particular the Lib Dems.
I don't understand what restrictions there have been on Romanians? There are already many thousands of them living here.
The UK population is estimated to grow to 80 million people by 2062. Not just through immigration, but with new births and people living longer aswell. It is estimated that 5 million new homes will be needed by then to house that level of population. Those 5 million new homes have to be built somewhere.
We do not have to build over whats left of the green belt we send illegal immigrants terrorists and all the other foreign undesirables home
How many millon immigrants in the last thirty years ? All poppping off home every year with their wedge to invest ..bleeding the country , don`t need an expert to work out the shortage of housing, thence high rents, homeless. Also ..any guesses on how may new runways we`ll need ?
You should have to pay into the system for a minimum number of years before you get anything out. We dont want anymore here. Get UKIP in and get out of the EU. Its the only way we will stay british and not have to cater for millions of benefit tourists!
I hereby declare War on the Government !!!
If British workshy were prepared to take the jobs those immigrants will happily do, there would be less umemployment and less immigration. This government must be much stricter in forcing current unemployed people to wotk on the land, pick fruit and vegetables, work in chicken factories, clean streets and all those other jobs that are unpleasant and our unemployed refuse to do. There would be little to do for immigrants and the message would go out that the UK is not open for business to people from Europe.
Can we please get the heck out of Europe, what a total load of rubbish it is ending up with us Brits paying for everyone. A kindergarten would run this country better! it is disgusting that the poor people of this country are having to suffer cut backs whilst more and more people are allowed to continue flooding into this country in a highly irresponsible manner. Also when are the BANKERS going to suffer some cutbacks in their pay packets as well as some of the immoral lawyers who are sucking us all dry creating a carousel of court fees just for fun? Stop chasing the small fry and start catching some of the big fat fish.
Ted Heath and his fellow conspirators have utterly destroyed our country and there is nothing any of us can do about it. Crime will rocket, the NHS will be further burdened and our welfare bill will almost double in less than two years. The scum that reside in Westminster should be in the tower for what they have done, I am disgusted and appalled, we have been forced to accept multicultralism and heaven forbid anyone who disagrees. All part of the EU project - to destroy nation states, to rip up national common law. The UK is absolutely finished!!
What in the name of God is wrong with your Government? With all the statistics on crime and benefit cheating, they swing the doors wide open. Notwithstanding the fact they even deal with their own population as it is. The complete definition of stupidity is to do the same thing twice and expect a different result.
The people will stop it eventually if the government doesn't!
,The GOV must be crazy if this is aloud,we must exit EU now.UKIP only way to go to stop this madness. - Hed, York+++++++++++++++++++++No not aloud, they are doing it quietly. Are you the DM spell checker? Shouldn't be allowed!
If you thought the summer riots were bad you haven't seen anything yet. They will come here in their millions, parasitic foreigners who have absolutely nothing to offer our country and the economy. There are no jobs here only a welfare state designed to look after the world and his wife and to hell with the British people. Dark times are ahead, mark my words the people of this country are just about ready to snap, and snap they bloody will!
why? there is a large number of empty council housing they can use
There are already large groups of Eastern Europeans all living in tents on empty land, in wildlife sanctuaries, and disused graveyards in South London, and I seriously doubt that is the only part of our country this is happening in. Clearly this will never end until either everything has been built on so the whole country is one huge city, or the people of this country who have had enoughof being shafted, riot en-mass and all end up in jail. Where do I sign up?
What are we supposed to do about this, I really do not know, cannot believe this is about to be allowed, I feel we are all really defeated without having been given any chance to fight it!!!!!!
Stop immigration NOW! URGENT rethink needed on refugees, EU population movements and family unification, importing foreign brides and language schools. Common sense needs to used, NO new imports allowed in until 2022 and EXPORT all the above with a vengeance.
there is enough countryside for everyone.......it cannot just be the inner cities that become overcrowded, villages have turned into towns for centuries..what is the big deal, just so some wealthy people can have their own private view!
'Homes needed to accommodate this influx of Eastern Europeans'......WHAT THE ......., This is just absolutely ridiculous, I am speachless, my next bit of comment won't get printed anyway.
Block the roads off. Civil unrest. Until this crazy crazy government afree to take us out of this madness. The Poll Tax riots, but 10 times worse.
Hurraahhh at last!! the politcal fraternity have "caught up " with the rest of us living in the real world. Look at who is always at the top of your local councils housing list!!!
This lousy excuse for a government hasnt a clue how many immigrants are here and dont care.
This is why the Labour councillors have just voted to build on farmland on the outskirts of Nuneaton in Warwickshire. It's a total disgrace.
Planning minister Nick Boles said immigrants accounted for nearly half of Britain¿s new housing needs. ============================================= It was always political and economic lunacy to permit immigration at the levels allowed during Labour's 13 years. We were already trying to deal with a massive annual shortfall of homes when hundreds of thousands of immigrants were allowed into the country every year to stay here permanently. Needless to say, EU policy prompted this folly which is now destroying our country. It may now be irretrievable, and WILL be irretrievable unless we exit the EU or stop this crazy uncontrolled immigration. (However, the countryside is NOT synonymous with Green Belt. Only a small proportion of our countryside is Green Belt - a special designation for open areas around the large conurbations like London and large towns in the Midlands. One of the main objectives of Green Belt is to prevent towns merging into one another.)
Don't forget the Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Lithuanians that are STILL comming.
eyeCU13, Copenhagen, Denmark, 4/12/12 10:06 PM So your from Bulgaria Mmm do you carry a brollie by any chance with a pointy end when you go down tube stations ? Just a thought !!!
This is news DM? I sat on top of a hill in West Sussex with my daughter and grandchildren looking over the rolling hills and green fields , I said take a good look ,because it wont be here for long , it will be nothing but a houses , maybe not in my life time but most definitely in there's . The Bulgarians that are round here get their national insurance number by selling the big issue magazine , and that way they are entitled to all benefits including social housing benefit , so no rent to pay. Well at least we will not be short of big issue sellers , wow! That will really be an asset to our economy .
Why are you letting your country be destroyed?
First. Stop this flood of immigration - you know, that process which enrichens our lives and saves so many of us from having to work so that we can spend more time in the growing queues for healthcare, housing. education etc. If it has been so good for us why has our GDP not shot up in the 'good' times when countries like Germany Singapore have flown with much less of the benefits of all these extra people. Second. Having put the plug in the dam fix the housing shortage by building only small cluster homes or post war type prefabs, both of which offer quick, cheap accommodation and excellent energy efficient living. But NOT all over the green belt.
This needs to stop now!!!!!! - linda lou, somewhere, 4/12/12 10:09 PM Too late!!!! The politicians pulled the plug out and the countries down the Gurgler
Allowing Bulgarians and Romanians to arrive here with no limit to their numbers is worrying, especially if you live in places that have already experienced huge number of EU migrants such as East London. Their numbers will simply continue to grow which will place a huge burden on health, transport, welfare and education services, competition for jobs and an increase in crime at a time when jobs are scarce and public services are being cut all the time. Why doesn't the government see this? Maybe because our leaders are all wealthy people who don't use public services, have private health and education for their families while living in nice suburbs where immigrants can't afford to move. Typical out of touch politicians, they couldn't give a damn about the people they're supposed to represent.
Why are our politicians doing this to us?,there will soon be no pensions ,no nhs ,no utilites for the children of this land .What mindset thinks that only the successful entrepreneurs will come over here and improve the sytem if we house them ,we will just get the dregs of the society that they are leaving .Maybe thats the idea of the EU,get them all on one island then nuke it
The gates need closing. It's about time to government found accommodation for all those living on the street. The government put them there so they should be the ones to get them off the streets. Not making plans to house people that come over from different countrie!!!!!
Ahh you must love this DM and your xenophobic followers...Eastern European people moving intro your countryside..well the landowners countryside... They'll probably bring some nasty tree disease with them too eh? And steal our babies! And its all the loony lefts fault- Andy HB, Hebden Bridge, 4/12/2012 22:22 ------ Well you are 100% right that it is the fault of the loony Lefties Andy - think we are all agreed on that.
Vote UKIP and end this madness
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunatly uncontrolled immigration will lead to resentment and more anti immigration feelings within the UK This will then lead to more radicle parties getting into parliament causing unrest & even more resentment to all immigrants Then where will it all end??
Successive governments have allowed (or actively encouraged) unrestricted immigration from the EU to create a pool of cheap labour and to dilute employment rights and drive wages down.. Politicians do not have to live with the resulting overcrowding, unemployment and resentment so they do not really care until they are in danger of being booted out office. Does anyone remember Mr Brown and "that bigoted woman" and his grovelling apology when he found that we had all heard what he really thought of the electorate.
DREAM ON SUCKERS --- This WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN to the English countryside gggrgrrrrrr
Time to get out and let Britain sink!
Mr Farage - where are you? Time for you to start your campaign although you won't have to try hard. We, the voters, are so desperate you will be overwhelmed. Please show this load of idiots what you're made of.
Im off hopefully to Canada or NZ countries with proper immigration policies. - tet1963, hove----------------------So you might be back then?
Do this party really want to be thrown out? They are going the right way about it. We do not want any more Romanians, we want to look after the British. Do Conservatives remember who they are? UKIP NOW!
Also politicians heads should roll for what they have done to this country. Guy fawkes had the right idea about them.
Most people in Europe live in cities. So why do we have to build over the countryside. so we can live in little boxes.Its much more fun to live in towns and cities.As the worlds population grows we will need all the land for agriculture.
They tuk er jerbs !!
Roll on the next electiom so I can vote UKIP
Stop moaning - you all voted for it - and judging recent bye- elections - you still are .
Too much to explain to a newspaper that doesn't allow my comments and doesn't seem to understand that by migrating to UK the Bulgarians and Romanians bring massive benefits to this economy and to local people. Each young person that comes here carries along years of education that Britain benefits for free. Spoke to John couple of months ago, a pub landlord in Bucharest, he migrated to Romania from Liverpool and wouldn't look back. Economic migration is nothing new and DM seems not to get it. - plamrad, Winchester, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 13:43 Nobody makes a net contribution to the economy unless they earn more than 30K a year so that torpedoes your platitudinous garbage for a start. Rumanians and Bulgarians should be building their own countries and should never have been allowed to enter the EU until they were standing on their own two feet. All we are getting is an international dependency culture with us at the wrong end.
Don't let them in!
The last labour rubbish we had in power ruined this country and now the rubbish we have now have continued with it.
Romania and Bulgaria have lovely countryside, I know lets all move over there ! seriously vote UKIP, stop the lunacy
And all paid for by robbing the future with junk mortgages. How well it worked in Spain , Ireland and the USA. What could possibly go wrong?
Bye bye coalition...hello UKIP
And how many British citizens are currently homeless or living in overcrowded 'homes' because we don't have enough housing stock (thanks, Thatcher for giving council tenants the right to buy but forgetting to build for the rest of us needing cheaper housing)? We do not have room for anyone else to come to our sunken island; no homes; no jobs. I am not racist but we have to ensure British citizens have homes and jobs and a safe future before anyone else. When will we have a government with common sense and backbone? Get us out of the EU and send all non-British citizens who are draining our resources - housing, schools, health services, what few jobs we have, entitlement to benefits - home.
What about an EU Referendum NOW!.
We are seeing the introduction of a "bedroom tax" and return to post-war allocations policies. Why? because the damn politicians have sleepwalked us into an overcrowding nightmare. Sooner or later the continued influx of EU and other migrants is going to lead to violent unrest, especially when people who have to give up their homes watch immigrants moving into them. Never mind relaxing the rules. Don't allow any more immigration.
DM readers seem to believe every bit of rubbish that's printed in this rag - be more discerning!
Knackered Mum, you did the right thing leaving this cesspit for the OASIS of NZ! No wardrobe doors to push on there!
Osborne - slash immigration and your financial worries are over - how simple is that? Oh, I forgot - the EU won't let us! Dismiss Parliament, then - we don't need them, and the cost savings will be equally impressive! Don't tell Davey Boy about this, though - he won't get it!
"They are coming here to work! HA HA HA! May I ask where are the jobs? - worlou, newcastle upon tyne, 4/12/2012 21:40" The jobs you are TOO Lazy to do, thats where :)
Just Dump the EU,and Stop Giving Them Our Money, it's Treason !
I'm moving out of Britain...it's now a joke!!!
Ukip is the only party who thinks have policy's that reflect the British opinions. Look at their policies, it wouldn't allow the floodgates to be left open, controlled immigration is what they promise which true British citizens want and dump 'Blairs' human rights bill which is going to destroy this country!! Go to umpire website
It's called Reverse Imperialism. We are being punished for the past. It's proof that we are being ruled by International Marxists.
It would have been even worse if Cameron had got his way and Turkey had joined the EU. He has been working on it for years but has been frustrated by other EU leaders . He knows his donors want it as it would keep wages down
No Mr Boles "WE" did not allow these people to move here - our pathetic governments did and this government has carried it on!
Please please let them in they really need our benifits.You can see them on our High streets, very hungry and selling the big issue we must give them some charity
Well excuse my French but tell them to sod off back to their own country
Why exactly do we have to give them houses? And why are they piggy backing over English born residents who don't have housing?
Ah!, I see, it must be time to totally ignore the wishes of the British general public again. Can't we have an annual bank holiday for this, then we might get it all out of the way in one go.
Several are already here. Two weeks ago I met a Romanian who was working as a taxi driver. He told us that he was brought in by a agency. Odd though, you would have thought that we have enough unemployed here to do jobs like that. As for housing them I cannot see any reason to why we are obliged to house these people. If I go to their country I doubt that I would be given the time of day with regards to housing. Tent city in Green park sounds good, get the UN in to run it. On the governments door step they will soon do something.
We're FULL. We don't have the room or prisons for more thieves and welfare clients. For crying out loud, get out of this EU burden, we can't afford it anymore. Are our politicians really that stupid that they can't see what is happening, or is their agenda to simply destroy this country ?
If you ask the British people you will find that they DO NOT WANT ANY immigrants from Romania or Bulgaria over here, none. This is utter lunacy. - Pete, Devon, United Kingdom, 04/12/2012 16:42 Utter racism you mean. I know a lovely Bulgarian couple. Work hard, good people. Don't talk about 'the British people' as if you speak for everyone. - graham, london, 4/12/2012 21:18....Well he certainly speaks for me and it's nothing to with racism, it's to do with common sense...Not enough housing, jobs, schools etc. Let them work hard in their own country and improve the lifestyle there !.
Its typical for DM - false informations about immigration. They joined EU in 2007 so with 7 years restrictions they will be able to come and work in the UK in 2014....
Its typical for DM - false informations about immigration. They joined EU in 2007 so with 7 years restrictions they will be able to come and work in the UK in 2014....
revolution is nigh without a doubt,taxpayers are not getting the services they pay for so why should outsiders get them for free?
People sleeping rough is up by 23%, We need to help our own before we let another load loose on our welfare, NHS and education systems, We cannot afford anymore, Direct them to Brussels or Berlin because something has to give and that something will be the patience of the British people!
I've a suspicion that the decision to build so many houses is a bit like the High Speed Train link to Birmingham that nobody wants. It is part of a grand EU plan. Must we house all those who shouldn't be here and then pay them to stay? No matter how inexpensive the house you need a JOB before you can afford to live in it. The only new employment will be short term in the construction industry. Look at Ireland and Spain, they built themselves into recession with the help of relaxed planning laws and easy loans. Government has abandoned the North. The Tories have abandoned the countryside. Have done with them all and vote UKIP to set us free to be British once more.
We need a new lot of politicians who actually represent the people of this country!We need a Churchill to defend us against the the very people who are supposed to be protecting this country !
Round my part of London: A&Es, Hospitals, GPs surgeries, Fire Stations, Council Services and Met Police are all being cut because Govt. cannot afford them. So, all that can be offered on the green belt presumably to these immigrants are benefits and council houses 'cos there aint any jobs to offer, as there are not enough for those of us already living here!! I blame the political elite who got us into this mess for their own political gains.
Ahh you must love this DM and your xenophobic followers...Eastern European people moving intro your countryside..well the landowners countryside... They'll probably bring some nasty tree disease with them too eh? And steal our babies! And its all the loony lefts fault
We have people who were born here who cannot find anywhere to live, why are we obliged to house immigrants? If they have no money to buy a house then send then back.
There seems to be worldwide conspiracy to bring immigrants into countries that don't want them and to provide them with housing and income. This is the modern way of invading. Just have the government do for the foreigners what they won't do for its citizens.
No!!!! We can't house our own! Britain first everyone else second. Stop this madness now! All European migrants aren't of any benefit to our economy as what they earn here goes back to their homelands! We can't afford to be part of the EU club anymore. All taxes paid should be spent in the UK, after all that's what we all pay taxes for, not for French farmers or Eastern European children that don't even live here. So sick of this! The government must listen to the people, we know better as we're the ones that have to put up with the ghettoes and crime and loss of our jobs to these people!
madness, vote UKIP
Sorry, I don`t understand. Why does Britain have to provide housing for immigrants ?
Theres no need to build on Green land. Let immigramts rent or buy, its not for us to house these newcomers. Build good quality high rise flats for the single/without kids to be housed off the Council list with some affordable to buy. Do up all the empty property everywhere North and South and free up empty shops and buildings.
tet1963. YES i have said this over and over again. you must pay in before you get anything out.
This needs to stop now!!!!!!
The Government have not, or cannot, do anything. The last Government signed us into further commitment to the EU project, so I guess they wanted this. How much more land will have to be built on to house the Greeks and other EU citizens as their economies fail; the Turks when they join the EU; as well as the usual flow in of legal and illegal immigrants from elsewhere.
We've been sold down the river for decades. No prizes for guessing who will get all the labouring jobs on the new homes and infrastructure building then! I'm holding out for a hero!
These are some hilarious comments here. I am a bulgarian and I can tell you, for sure, that barely any of us will bother to come in the the UK. Let's do some math, shall we? Our population is around 7 million, 2 of which are already living all over the world, so they are set. That leaves around 5 million, including kids and old people. Out of them how many do you think will want to go to you? Do you think that all of us will completely abandon our country and move to your supposedly haven on earth? Personally I have a masters degree from the IT University of Copenhagen and I would only consider moving if there is a lucrative job waiting for me. Nothing less is acceptable! I wouldn't bother to come for your "warm hospitality" or "wonderful weather", so that I can be a waiter or something like that. But yea, don't let the Eastern Europeans come, just have more arabs. We know you love them. And don't worry, we are not revengeful. We'll still let your drunken butts in Sunny Beach :)
Unfortunately although there are still some green bits the pleasant bits are few and far between.
UNBELIEVABLE and DANGEROUS. It beggars belief that this can be allowed to happen against the people of this country. The people's voices should be heard. VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you ask the British people you will find that they DO NOT WANT ANY immigrants from Romania or Bulgaria over here, none. This is utter lunacy. - Pete, Devon, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 16:42 Pete, I think you will find that the sheeples MUST want this as they keep voting the same people in who sign up for this with the EU.
There are three empty houses on my street. Why can't they just knock them down an build new homes. It would improve my street to have neighbours!!
Good in the EU is it not???
It is is globally known that this country is a soft touch for immigrants etc , we are too soft and always will be , our government has to be seen to be doing these good turns for humanity , come on in everyone were very nice people loads of money to give away to you , homes for free , roll up roll up .
Will they be buying these homes with their hard earned wages? No... thought not; This is criminal against the tax paying public.
We do not have a responsibility to house immigrants. If they have a job then, like the British residents they can rent or buy. However, I do agree that we need to put a cap on immigration.
if these folk can't afford houses then they shouldn't be coming into the country. It is time the British government understood that.
Too much to explain to a newspaper that doesn't allow my comments and doesn't seem to understand that by migrating to UK the Bulgarians and Romanians bring massive benefits to this economy and to local people. Each young person that comes here carries along years of education that Britain benefits for free. Spoke to John couple of months ago, a pub landlord in Bucharest, he migrated to Romania from Liverpool and wouldn't look back. Economic migration is nothing new and DM seems not to get it.
When the population in this country hits the 70million mark perhaps the government at the time could provide money for the minority,indiginous populatation to get out of this once great country that politicians have ruined.
They are coming here to work! HA HA HA! May I ask where are the jobs?
Absolutely NO WAY!!
Mr Hollobone accused the Home Office of 'disgracefully underestimating' the number of likely eastern European migrants destined for the UK <<<
It is not just the housing that will be an issue, the education system, NHS, policing, welfare system etc are in for a hammering.
If ministers shut the gates, as they should, the number is quite predictable. It will be zero, plus a relatively small number of illegals who should be robustly countered.
Shut the gates! We are full!
NO! This country can't afford to house any more outsiders. There is no space left !
Wait!!! This is a time for the British to stand up; arise and be counted. This is our land, our heritage and our wealth. Enough welfare to immigrants who haven't paid in; enough houses to those who belong elsewhere, enough ... this is our land, not yours. I've always been a moderate man, God fearing and gentle towards others, forgiving and kind. But now I find my country mortgaged to Europeans who have rights I do not have, access to benefits I do not have, and now, enough is enough. Send them home.
If they come with no money no job, send them back. if they cant provide for themselves why should we VOTE UKIP. NEXT TIME ROUND. MAKE A DIFFERENCE
Local authorities do NOT have to house these so called " refugees" If they come from another EU country, or NOT, they have obviously left a home in their own country -- therefore they are VOLUNTARILY HOMELESS, and NO local authority should be providing them with housing. THAT IS THE LAW.!!!
If you ask the British people you will find that they DO NOT WANT ANY immigrants from Romania or Bulgaria over here, none. This is utter lunacy. - Pete, Devon, United Kingdom, 04/12/2012 16:42 Utter racism you mean. I know a lovely Bulgarian couple. Work hard, good people. Don't talk about 'the British people' as if you speak for everyone.
If we don't build the houses. then there will be nowhere for new immigrants to stay. If there is no where for them to stay, then they might get the message that they would be better off in other areas of Europe which are less overcrowded. Therefore we should definitely not build these houses. Something also tells me that the actual costs of building the additional housing is going to fall on the taxpayer, therefore the answer is a resounding NOoo!
Please sign the government e petition...just how many windscreen cleaners and big issue sellers do we need?
The benefits budget and rising immigration numbers continue on a 90 degree path. The governments answer is to cut services, bleed the working classes dry and dig green belt land up to build benefit claimants and immigrant homes on it. There is of course a genuine number of genuine people on benefits and asylum seekers but how many just see the UK benefits open chequebook as being an easy option. How can the government hope to stand still nevertheless try and pay off even a fraction of the debt we owe when they give tax payers money to seemingly anyone and everyone without question.
The plan to coherse us into the Euro is entering the final leg. It will soon be time to begin to let your MP know your feelings. As sure as eggs are eggs Cameron is selling us down the river all he has to say is that no more and mean it , he is suppose to by UK's PM the buck stops with him, if not why not and if he is not then who is ? If he claims the it,s the EU's fault then he is not fit to be PM and should resign or go to the country to let us decided where our future is to be.
Tell you what, build the houses in Romania.
Both countries have a good, hard working population of youngsters that will benefit Britain. The biggest problem are the lowly educated people that will come over here in search for benefits. Bulgarians are quite nice people and they themselves don't want their young qualified people to leave and go abroad. Unfortunately for UK this is market and we have to deal with the EU laws.
SACK BOLES NOW AND CAMERON , TOO, IF HE DOES NOT ACT TO STOP THIS RIDICULOUS IDEA!! Is there a single sane politician in this country?
When the worm turns, its going to be very very nasty...
If there's no room for them, send them home!!!!!!!!!!!!
When will they learn. People want a referendum NOW to get out of Europe for one purpose only. To stop european immigrants. The so callde stupid european laws dont even come a close second
This is SO wrong, quite apart from the pressure it will put on to our public services,education, NHS, and the like. Certainly none of these entrants should be allowed ANY benefits and they should pay for healthcare. Time to consider UKIP.
Can't we use existing redundant cattle sheds and barns?
Cameron, you've sold us out. It's UKIP from now on. I only hope Farage is strong enough to resist a deal with the Torys
Britain is being strangled .and the frightened little men in westminster are still on their knees to the EU we need to wake them up as to who comes first and it isn't hoards of eastern europeans.I
I don't see why this should be necessary when there are thousands of boarded up empty houses in the North of the country.
Hyde Park has plenty of space for housing,start there.
It's up the current 'Government' to do something about this, UKIP may (at least try to) stop immigration but they will prove woefully incapable of doing anything else - they are a single issue party. I do think the DM is sensationalising this a bit - but we really do need to get tougher on those that arrive on these shores with no plans to contribute (and the ones that are here already that don't contribute - INCLUDING British people)
Comes the revolution? Something drastic has got to happen soon - someone strong enough to save the UK frommthe icompetent idiots running us into ruin.
If Cameron, Clegg and Miliband wont look after the UK people .. then it is time to vote for a political party who will promote and implement the views of the masses ... UKIP
When Labour tried to make a similar estimate, they got it WRONG by a factor of 10! Build by all means, but on brownfield sites first and foremost. Greenbelt land should be used as a LAST resort, not because the developers don't want to pay for decontaminating land? As for the immigrants, how about getting the British people the homes they deserve first, before the limpwristed politicians allow the EU to force yet another open doors policy on us - then you can all kiss goodbye to the NHS for starters?
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. - THIS IS SO WRONG.
This country is governed by weak-willed traitors who have no thought for our future and are out to destroy all the country stands for. We need to be very afraid for the future of our children and grandchildren who will live in a country which will be very different from what we have known.
David you might as well just hand your door keys to Nigel, because let this happen and mark my words he's comIng for your job and your home. Don't say you weren't warned!
NO! If we haven't got the homes/space then they can't live here can they? We can't just carry on opening doors for the rest of the world when we are full and have no jobs. UKIP for me next time.
Why should we house them. Get us out of Europe.
And just HOW are all these people going to afford a MORTGAGE - even saying they manage to find a JOB in the first place ? All of you are being fooled into resenting these people, and you need to ask yourselves, ' Why' ?
Homes needed to accommodate this influx of Eastern Europeans will mean houses being built across undeveloped land on the UK's unspoilt Green Belt AFTER READING THE ABOVE STATEMENT, HOW COME WE CANNOT BUILD HOUSES FOR OUR OWN POOR AND NEEDY, OR WOULD THAT BE ASKING TOO MUCH OF OUR LAME DUCK GOVERNMENT, POLITICIANS OF THE UK, REMEMBER WHO PUTS THE BREAD ON YOUR PLATES, LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE BEFORE ITS TOO LATE FOR YOU.!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
These people don't leave their home country on a whim. They come here because they are desperate, and we should do all we can to help them and make them feel welcome.- Fatherofthree, Belfast.............How about helping our own desperate people who already sleep in cardboard boxes first?? If we have any room left (which we won't) we could then help others. The Country is already full to busting with people from other Countries. Enough is Enough!!!!!!!
Sorry, there is no space for you; go home
Will ANY Country please take my family and I as refugees from what is left of OUR Country of birth! I promise that we will be self supporting and not rely on the kindness and overgenerous hospitality of any host country willing to accept us!
What about British people that need houses?
We DO NOT WANT more immigrants from Romania or Bulgaria over here. The Country is full up, the services can't cope, and the people are getting angry. NO MORE IMMIGRANTS!
We can't afford to house everyone as things stand. Here's a thought. Immigration should equal emigration I.e. one person leaves the UK, one person should be allowed in (That should stop this farce as I can't imagine that a significant number of Brits would wish to immigrate to either Romania or Bulgaria). And anyone entering the UK MUST be self-funding and must pay taxes in the UK. Can we please leave Europe?
so the government are going to sit back and let these people flood into the country, take benefits and housing, put the nhs on to a path of no return schools unable to cope, and with it a huge rise in crime, RIP britain
Quite simple. All immigrants go onto the housing lists at the BOTTOM. The EU cannot object to such a straight forward plan. If they get fed up with waiting they could return from whence they came and swell the housing lists there. The socialist idea that these people have priority is just unfair AND stupid. It is patently divisive of the EU to think otherwise and seems to me to be deliberately an anti British socialist attitude on their behalf. The idea that we should round down to the lowest common denominator is a previously failed policy of our last government. Why should only the British suffer these crazy policies. As I remember we only signed up to a common Market and not a united states of Europe.
All this 'Vote UKIP' business is all well and good but has anyone actually read their manifesto? I suggest people do! I found the Small Business policy particularly interesting (& borderline ridiculous)......
This is a recipe for unrest and eventual violence.tell the EU to leave us alone we are full up and lack the infrastructure and the jobs to cope with the endless immigration to satisfy Blairs and Browns dream of a utopian multicultural society with big brother Blair at the helm .Vote UKIP to get us out of this.
SIGN THE EPETITION ONLINE I've just been onto the 'epetition' ' website, this government website has lots of petitions waiting for you lot to sign them, just go to the site and search on 'immigration', at the moment there are only 157 signatures regarding Bulgarians and Romanians, come on, get it done.
And how many new schools for all the children? Thank you Mr Hollobone for (as usual) telling the truth.
Where is that fighting spirit then, have all the Lions been sissified into pussycats! Enough is Enough! We lack a real leader where is King Arthur - we need you NOW.
Stop moaning, YOU voted for it! No you didn't? Well I'm afraid you did and have done for decades. Enjoy!
Why can't we leave EU. British is poor relation.
We need to stop it NOW!! The NHS is at its limits, crime is through the roof, jobs are hard to come by, and now we will welcome more people with no skills and no money! All to enjoy free housing and full benefits! I'm selfe-employed and worked all my life, but I'm entitled to no government help, it should be the same as all these immigrants, why should get more help in the UK than there own country! I know, our government has no back bone!
NO NO NO !!!!! We are NOT obliged to house them, they are allowed to come here to work ( which the govt should have stopped for longer) , if they have no job and can't find their own accomodation, we do NOT have to find it for them or give them benefits. It's only our useless, spineless, self serving government, aided and abetted by a bloated, jobsworth bureaucracy that allows it to happen. OUT of the corrupt EU, we did not vote for it, we weren't asked if we wanted it, we were asked if we wanted free trade which is very very different. As for that idiot saying that we need more houses for the immigrants already here, as they are now British, well, you know what? An awful lot aren't UK citizens and should be relocated back to their country of origin. Enough !
How come they will build houses for immigrants what about the British people that need homes they get passed over to satisfy immigrants needs, plus the benefits they will get. When pensioners can,t afford to pay for their heating.They say the gas and oil will be running out in years to come at this rate it will run out sooner than later. We have enough congestion on the roads and public transport can,t coup.So stop them from coming in unless they have jobs to come to otherwise they will be sponging off the taxpayer.
This is so WRONG on every level what do our Politicans actually do on behalf of the indigenous population of this country?
It's all very well people commenting ' vote UKIP', but by the time the next election comes around and legislation is changed, it will probably be too late anyway.........
What lunacy has overtaken us?
Can someone please explain to me Why is it that the UK is the only country in the EU that give houses and benefits to all these immigrants from the Eastern bloc. Other countries in the EU do not have this problem and give nothing to them, WHY DO WE?
Just don't come to Scotland
This goverment has known for long enough that this was coming,why haven't they at least tried to renegotiate the deal that has stopped a mass influx up to now. To-morrow we will have Mr.Osbourne telling us we are facing at least another five years of services cut to the bone,yet the taxpayer is expected to fund every Tom,dick or harry that wants healthcare, home or handout. The next election can't come quick enough,the only trouble is will anything be left of it to vote for,because the way the 2 Ronnie's are running the show it's doubtful !!
Time to paint 'SORRY FULL UP, NO MONEY FOR BENEFITS' in 30ft letters on the white cliffs, They'll turn round and go home hopefully.
Why? What about the Brits who live in very poor rented accommodation - they would like a new new build! If we don't have the houses let immigrants stay at home - we should be housing our own first. this is another step to bring down this country to the level of the worst who are coming here to live.
There are currently 1 million empty properties in this country, if the government did more to makes these houses available to people who need homes there wouldn't be any need at all to build on green belt land.
CAMERON , WE DO NOT WANT THEM HERE THERE ARE TOO MANY IMMAGRANTS ALREADY, BUT DOES HE CARE WHAT US TRUE BRITS WANT, OF COARSE NOT WE ARE JUST PLEBS.
Rightly so. We don't need our green belt anymore. The employable Eastern Europeans also need somewhere nice to live. Excellent move for the dying economy.
I cant afford anymore taxes.
When will this Goverment learn that we the real English people have had enough of whats happening to our Great Britain.
When are the so-called "Government" going to realise that the country's struggling as it is, without letting more of the EU leeches in? It's time to place the sign on Dover cliffs "BRITAIN FULL - NO VACANCIES".
The White Cliffs should be painted with the sign "FULL UP! NO ROOM; TRY BRUSSELS"
Liebour would not tell us, Tory do not tell us and Limp dem just love of this Europe madness. So if you want a government that looks after our own interests first and will stop this then you have to vote UKIP. So sign up - you may be pleasantly surprised by their other policies. Or watch this country concreted over.
We have given all we had - please no more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now you know why we will not get the vote on the EU . Until we are full up .
can someone ensure that cameron actually reads thesecomments or will they just end up as pure frustration and as usual, nothing will be done before it's too late....too late... there is only 28 days to go...take cover you've been warned!!!
Its good to see that ALL the main parties are encouraging all voters to vote UKIP!!!
the English are too weak to make a stand,we moan and groan to each other but we never make a stand it's about time we downed tools and told Cameron what we really think,but atlas it will never happen we are too weak and every foreigner no's it and so do the Conservatives
WHY!!!!!!!
Theres plenty of empty houses, if they can afford them good luck to them, if not then bad luck, we have no responsibility to give free houses to all and sundry, lord knows the British dont get them.
So no thought to the precious British countryside then, which will be increasingly denuded as the numbers increase. England's Green and Pleasant Land will become a myth before long. Tragic, if nothing is done about this timeously.
If there is going to be a referendum it needs to be soon before this influx of romanians become eligible to vote and join the other 2 million new arrivals that have come in over the last 10 year. I cant imagine all of them voting to leave the EU in a hurry. THe english could end up being outvoted on this in our own country
Philip Hollobone has a reputation of being one of the handful of totally honest & uncorruptable MPs. of both serious parties. He's right on this point, & it's time he was listened to on other subjects.
NO! NO! NO!
Nick Boles was on BBC and said something like "the built environment can be more beautiful than nature". Does our green and pleasant land mean nothing to this idiot?
Not only houses.. What about the NHS, schools etc.? God help us.
Im off hopefully to Canada or NZ countries with proper immigration policies. Doesn't any politician think oh hang on they come yo the UK for the benefits well here's a suggestion change the law so no one can claim benefits unless they have paid two years tax and NIC seems quite reasonable to me..
We need an online VOTE NOW to ensure there is an extension to the time limit for Bulgarians and Romanians to come to this country to work,so the UK can hold a referendum on the EU and our IN,OUT vote.Do the Politicians not even grasp IMMIGRATION is the single biggest issue on the Voters minds, even bigger than the Economy. Dave do you not realise if you fail on immigration we will have aLabour Government in 2015 and that is probably even more worrying than immigration .
Build up barricades!!! Burn the crops and poisson the water sources!!! Hi Hi HI... jokin, I will never ever move to Britain... why should I leave a 45 degrees continental climate country (same as Austria, Switzerland but far more cheaper), with mountains and beautiful sceneries, for a rainy crowded island???? only DM can answer... No No No !!! I shall not move to Britain !!!! Point.
Nothing to do with homes, more to do with profit for the private sector
Change the law; benfits only payable to British citizens, and British citizenship only available to those who can prove they have lived and WORKED and here for 5 years. Anyone entering on a tourist visa to have health insurance to a value of £1M. Most other countries do this, and not having the "scroungers' charter' in force here means they don't have swarms of unwanted and unsustainable immigrants.
We are full to bursting, no jobs, NHS and education stretched, and we are skint as a country. So WHY are we allowing this latest influx of eastern europeans.
Does'nt this coalition love all of these immigrants, why should we have to give them priority over our own. It is about time that Cameron and Clegg woke up to the fact that we in this country are getting fed up with their pandering and putting us to one side as though we do not belong in IN OUR OWN COUNTRY. Do as others in the EU do and stick your fingers up to those in the European Government. Britain for the British and that is what it should be.
Have we completely lost the plot here? There are people on the dole who can't find work! why let more people in to make matters worse. (or is that to simple)
I thought we had enough immigrants. So what's got into Cameron's brain, now . .?
Stuff sitting around waiting for a change that will never come...I'm filling out my application to work abroad. I'd rather pay my taxes in a country like Australia who doesn't spend it on those that don't put in the pot
Tell them they will be entitled to no benefits of any kind, and MEAN IT. It's a disgrace that there is nothing in place to prevent yet another mass invasion. The only answer is to close the borders and get out of the EU.
We MUST get the hell out of the European Union NOW NOW NOW. Why should Europe make our laws, tell us to take in anyone they decide we should have. I am ashamed to be English born, my father and thousands more men and women who sacrificed their lives for our FREEDOM would never have believed they were doing it to allow our former enemies to take our country over. UK awake, learn from history, take OUR great country back before it is to late. UKIP may be the answer give them a chance, because the present bunch of politicians in parliament are spineless
UKIP? U Bet.
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!! all we can do is quit work and go on the dole before they get here , why keep working to support foreigners who've never paid a penny into the system.
stop talking cameron and actually do something constructive to stop this stupidity...none of the services in this country can cope now!!! with extra people arriving for benefits and health service, doctors surgeries are going to be swamped..stop it now-show some Battle of Britain guts!! Despair,Despair,Despair.............!!
We should not be giving housing to people who just walk into our country, they should be expected to have work and have the means to not only support themselves but also to house themselves. Lets put OUR citizens first, if we help anyone it should be our own citizens who have been on the housing lists for years.
he claims tnose already here are now British. I say no they are not, they are citizens of a traitorous elite in parliament . We true British have never been asked if we wanted immigration en masse. their has never been such TREASON conspired against a people
This is just irresponsible, large numbers of Brits are out of work, the government is creating austerity measures and now they're planning to use taxpayers' money to house these people? I don't know what's scarier: the possibility that the government is deliberately doing this for their own nefarious means, or the possibility that our leaders have no idea what they're doing.
And what about the people benefiting from the immigrants?- Vlad, Bucharest, Romania +++++ No benefits to us pal and it will be just the other way around will it not? We neither need or want more people in this country and especially economic migrants. Things are bad enough here without more people coming in to make it worse for all.
Having lived in another major European country we expected nothing in the way of free housing, healthcare or benefits and worked hard to pay our way . It certainly wasn't on offer anyway with foreigners sleeping rough with no home or money provided. If the laws of Europe are the same for all why do WE always have to provide free everything.
why should we pay benefits and supply housing to people who just turn up and demand it all ,if you have not payed in you cant get anything out
So why are they coming here when there are no jobs for them and when we cannot afford to keep them? Are there no places in their own countries where houses can be built for them? There can be no sensible answer to these questions; and the only thing we Brits can do to stop it is to vote UKIP.
R.I.P. United Kingdom 1707-1997. It was great while it lasted.
Politicians, You traitors, I hate all of you for what you have done to my country, I hate all of you, a pox on both your houses, you traitors make me ashamed to be British and I hate you for it
You voted the tories in...get on with it.
Perhaps we could tell the Romanians and Bulgarians (probably all unemployable) that they can't come in until we decide whether to leave the EU or not.
What about British people I have to bid for a council flat and I'm disabled, these forieigners coming in will walk straight into a new home. I urge all British people , black, white, Asian, Chinese , as long as your British we should march and protest for our rights in our own country , we should as tax payers have priority . I lived in Portugal, no social security, no council houses, no notices in English in hospital, schools, or anywhere else why are our cowardly mps afraid to listen to public opinion and stand up for us as other countries stand up for their people.
Just maybe if they can't find anywhere to live they'll go home ?
This means that there IS shortly going to be a referendum on our leaving the EU............. Because Brussels and its gauleiters in Westminster are bringing in as many EU refugees as possible and intend to give them the right to VOTE in it..........It is, of course, ILLEGAL and in Northern Ireland the same sort of policy led to nearly 30 years of bloody violence............
What lunacy has overtaken us?
Pound to a penny, if this country were ever invaded by the military of a foreign power, the Govt. would build a runway for them to land on. We do not need to build more houses to accommodate new foreigners. If they can`t find an affordable place to live here, then they will simply have to go back to wherever they come from. They`ve already been invited here by the open border policy. We don`t have to invite them twice by building houses for them to live in - and thus destroying what little countryside remains.
Am I missing something, were a nation that is going to have stagnant economic growth for the next 5 years, we are constantly reminded of the cut backs to NHS. Local councils, we have no true understanding of the exact number of the illegal immigrants In this Country, what reduction we see in the unemployment figures is the result low paid service sector part time jobs. The Blue Chip companies take advantage of tax avoidance advice. How are we going to pay for this ?, and yet were inviting more !!. Enough is enough.
I just dont understand the logic in this at all. It's not like we dont have enought people already. STOP ruining our country with immigrants !!
Why are people who come into the country from abroad expected to be housed?
Quite frankly proper decent housing for people is far more important than empty patches of land, no matter where those people are from. - Mr Ellis, Tunbridge Wells, United Kingdom, 4/12/2012 17:19 ============ I see you're a concrete jungle fan. I don't think your solution will go down well with the residents of Tunbridge Wells. Or, would Tunbridge Wells be exempt from your grand scheme.
If these people enter our country, they should not be offered free housing, let them find their own. If they can't find any housing, they will leave our country. A law must be passed for no benefits unless you have paid taxes for at least 5 years. We are skint. How can we build more hospitals to accommodate them with no money.
Your comments So now the EU rules dictate that we must not only accept more immigrants but also we must ruin our own country side and build house's for em Beggers belief
Regardless of whether they provide figures or not, this should NOT be happening. We have enough to deal with at the moment but to allow even more people in is madness. OUR government should start listening to OUR voices as we are the voice of the people. How about you start helping the people already here who work every hour under the sun to live next to an immigrant that gets to live here for free on our hard earned taxes before you allow even more in. I do wonder if one day more people in Britain will be unemployed that those who are, and who can blame them, you seem to get a better deal if you don't work. I feel sorry for all those soldiers that have sacrificed their lives for our country to watch governments both past and present let it get to this.
THE GOVERNMENT HAVE LEFT IT FAR TO LATE, AS THEY CAN ALL COME IN ON DECEMBER 31ST. AND IT IS NOW DECEMBER, THERE IS NOWT ANYBODY CAN DO. COME ON THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD.
Err... What work ?
Do we really have to put up with this? Leave the EU and end this madness!
No they won't.
That's funny, since there''ll be no jobs for them, then they'll be scrounging off the State and the Taxpayer, and those of us who are desperately trying to make ends meet . .. If anyone here believes they never voted for any of this madness, then it's time to vote accordingly . . Or you could try to ask your local MP why is immigration allowed at all . and will Mr. Cameron kindly change his mind . . . I doubt your local MP could be bothered to receive your request, but you could always try . .
TRAITORS Time to do something about this madness.
Why are immigrants only going to England a proportion should go to Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland to offset the overload on English housing and medical services . Its up to your MP'S to demand from David Cameron that every country has their fare share.
Well I hope they build these ghettos in the countryside surrounding the posh homes of Cameron & Co. To the young people of this country flee now!! as this country is becoming a mess & your Government is doing absolutely nothing about it. Are we going to build new hospitals & schools as well as houses & who's paying for this??? as most of these people will NOT be contributing to our coffers - emptying it more like.
Now you know why the Tories will not give us a vote on the EU until they get this lot in the country .
and more when Turkey join.... end this madness before we the people do it for you.
If I decided to up sticks and move to another country would I get free housing? Nope. So glad my taxes are paying for non uk citizens to have a comfortable life.
Now you know why the Tories will not give us a vote on the EU until they get this lot in the country .
People are putting a lot of faith in UKIP. If, when they have the necessary votes, they cannot/will not remove uneconomic migrants (as per Belgium) how will the situation improve?
OUT OF THE STUPID EU NOW!!!!!!
Not wanted, not a single one of them.
Nobody voted for these fools . . . or if they did, there's time to repent and support a sensible party that will do it's best for this country and it's people . .
Pull up the drawbridge and man the barricades.
And not a thought for the extra costs to NHS -Benefit system (which they will know how to get around) with impunity!! Utterly crazy and 10 to one on Flood plains!!
This is total Rubbish. Use the "Brown SITES" Therea are acres and acres of them but the builders don't want the cost of demolition and ground clearance.!
It's hopeless, none of our three son political parties are ever going to do any thing about this countries open door immigration policy. Cameron even wants 70 million Turks in the EU. So expect our decline to accelerate, this madness will only every stop when we are reduced to third word poverty levels and there is no longer any reason for migrants to flock to our shores.
Revolution and violence is heading our way unless these lunatics in Westminster listen to the people. These politicians have no mandate to allow foreigners to flood into BRITAIN.
For goodness sake enough is enough, you are not welcome at all.....we have enough of our own scum without importing any more, our once beautiful island has been diluted enough and we have no identity .... stop the benefits and most will stop coming here ....
Here's a crazy idea - why not be honest and tell them that homes and jobs aren't available and so they might as well turn around and go back home?
Don't we have enoughof our own homeless without all these extras coming here?
This is why Cameron was saying the government will relax planning laws, he said they were doing it to help kickstart the economy, what he really meant was his bosses in Brussels told him to make more room for the next wave of economic migrants to avail themselves of our benefits and health system. LibLabCon are all in thrall to the EU and are only interested in their bank accounts. Vote UKIP at every possible election, it's the UK's only chance of survival.
I just don't understanding! There certainly isen't enough low paid jobs around even for us let alone Bulgarians and Romanians!!
So does this mean I can move to Tuscany and claim a free villa and benefits from the Italian taxpayer? If not, why not? It seems the rest of Europe has the right to come to Britain and claim whatever they want. I believe this is all happening to Britain because of our own politicians. Much as I hate the EU, other countries seem able to stand up for their own people, why can't ours?
HOW ABOUT SORRY THIS COUNTRY IS FULL?? WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO COPE, WE DON'T WANT THEM HERE!!! ANYONE LISTENING TO US?? I APOLOGISE, IT'S RUDE ON THESE FORUMS BUT YES I AM SHOUTING!!
Let them stay IF they can pay their way like anyone else. No money - no house, no money -no education, no money - no health service. Simple
So shut the flipping door on them - it's not rocket science, because this is our country and we do not want it destroyed.. What successive governments are doing is monstrous, no one gave them permission to destroy the this country the way they have been doing. Don't we have any legal rights over this deliberate destruction? Note to Govt...you cannot give this country away or wilfully destroy it - that is treason.
Well with this Happening it won't be "great" britain any more
These people don't leave their home country on a whim. They come here because they are desperate, and we should do all we can to help them and make them feel welcome.
The vast majority Labour, Libdem and Conservative MPs want this to happen. They encourage it; they lie about it; they don't care what damage it causes to our heritage and cultural wellbeing. However, its the millions of fools who vote for such people who are to blame - aided and abetted by those who can't be bothered voting for anyone else. "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within" W Durrant How true.
Get us out of the EU by Monday.
Do what Belgium did if they are out of work for 3 months deport them back to their own country. They shouldn't be able to claim benefits either prefereably until they have paid taxes for 2-5 years failing that no benefits for the first three months and no social housing either.
Are they totally stupid. We do not need them and do not want them here. We cannot afford this so we should have every right to shut the door and say go away! If the EU says it must be then let us get out NOW!
The destruction of Britain by successive useless Governments with spineless politicians , it's time for UKIP I see no other way out.
Well it's only going to get worse now.Cameron has well and truly shown us all he doesn't give a damn.I honestly feel like the country is finished and things will never ever be the same again.
The bunch of incompetents who currently pretend to be a "government" are no better than the previous bunch of Labour incompetents. In fact, they are a damn sight worse, because they have not learnt a single thing from their, abject incompetence.
While there is ONE British citizen (and I MEAN) British without a home, NOT ONE immigrant should be allowed to enter this country. The privileged politicians who have decreed that we put up with this wont be the ones being crowded out of homes and hospitals! They're being kept in luxury by the rest of us who will! The population needs to be drastically REDUCED not increased
Our fathers, grandfathers and all who went before, will be turning in their graves at the manner in which this country has been led. They did not give their lives so that we could be dictated to by foreigners...and that is NOT a 'little Englander' comment, a response which is the refuge of those who have lost the argument, have no pride in the rich history of Britain, or whose roots are tenuous at best. I am proud to have hosted so many foreigners in this country, giving them a home and a sense of worth, with the vast majority respond admirably....but this East European onslaught is wrong. We cannot afford them, and we do not need them...but I am sure the lovey dovey, give it all away liberals among us will argue otherwise
We can ignore Hollobone as he is a known panic monger hoping to be reelected by the gullible xenophobes. More to the point why is there never any mention of building on the derelict sites that blight our towns and cities?
We do not have enough housing and jobs for our own - this is crazy.
No no no no no.
Have they all got jobs to go to ? (besides selling the Big Issue, or other "self-employed" means) Have they sorted out their legal accommodation and medical insurance ? The rule of Free Movement is ONLY available to those that can support themselves in all areas WITHOUT recourse to the hosting nations funds. In short as laid down in EU law they are not a burden on the hosting state. Thought not, it again is going to be a free-for-all (except the British, who fund it all, who are taking cuts in everything to fund it). OUT of the EU before we sink.
its time we the people the workers and tax payers woke up to the fact that this idiotic coalition and the labour government are distroying this country and its traditions we have had enough if some thing is not done to stop this lunacy we will be over run with crime there will be anarchy in the streets no body will be safe
Immigrants accounting to "half of all housing needs" , plus half NHS beds, plus half of benefits, half of school places, more than half of new babies born and thats before the swarm of Eastern European arrive. THEN we have to pay EXTRA to the EU. HOW THE HECK CAN WE DO ALL OF THIS WHEN WE ARE BROKE AND BORROWING MORE TO TAKE A STEP BACKWARDS?.
Maybe we ( joe public) should go to all border control points and actually stop these people coming in. These stooges in parliament don't listen to a word the people are saying.I am genuinely afraid for the future of my children and our heritage ,that is being eroded to appease interlopers who couldn't care less about this country .They know we're a soft touch and they're guaranteed a house and benefits.Those in power seem more interested in what's going on in other countries ,oblivious to what's going on here.We need to come out of Europe now ,and we need to dump the ridiculous ECHR. I can't wait to vote for UKIP ,at least they are listening and I like what they have to say.
This country has had it and we all put up with it because we know there is nobody that really wants to do anything about it. The government knew this was coming up Why havnt they done anything. Throw them out at the next election. We shouldnt be making immigrants welcome to live here
Close the borders.
How much longer will we tolerate this country being run from Brussels,Our politicians are the stooges of the EU.I see big trouble on the horizon,and i don't mean at the polling stations.
And they'll need to build schools for them..and hospitals!! I'm so scared, I want to leave!! These idiots don't have to be in charge for another 2 years do they? Is there some way we can all work together and get them out?
More farmland gone! Just how id this Nation expected to feed itself?
They should all be sent to Brussels . - let the inert incompetent vastly overpaid over-manned EU bureaucrats sort them out. Perhaps they could be all be accommodated in the vast lavish luxurious EU offices and expensive buildings and all given similar cushy non-jobs to those 'employed' there. Meanwhile, EU loving feeble Cameron has his head fimly stuck in the EU sands.
How easily we are giving away our land. What are we getting from EU except big invoice every month!
We really are the mugs of europe. Why do we bother to go to work anymore when all the scroungers come and get benefits. Council house of course sir but only if english is not spoken.
The final death knell for the coalition, and the parties, which leaves us with Bliars idiotic estimate of thousands which started the immediate free labour movement within the EU, whilst the other nations deferred. Remember it was Labour who introduced this when the time for election comes around, and the increase of welfare, crime, and smothering the green belt with concrete(more floods no doubt) so we can house , educate, and feed the hordes when they arrive.. all for free. Idiotic main parties never gave the electorate choice in the matter so should be punished severely at the polls. Remember, remember, when the whole culture of the nation is changed forever!!!
It's not just housing they will need but more nurseries, schools, hospitals etc. Not to mention water. I know we have had floods at the moment but that water will not always be there. Lack of water is going to be a big problem in our overcrowded island.
We did not, nor do not have to do this. Successive governments have CHOSEN to subjugate the British people to the will of Brussels. All that's required is a large NO. We owe EU nationals nothing. Unfortunately a significant number don't appear to have the good manners to be self-supporting.
I think there are Tory MP's who cant quite bring themselves to make the jump to UKIP but have decided to help them to grow from where they are until such a time they think it will be a safe bet to join.
Once again treacherous Cameron and his cronies showing complete and utter contempt for the hardworking British taxpayer.
So when swathes of equally precious social housing are taken over to accomodate previous post WW2 waves of immigration, that is OK, but the precious green ghettoes of the rural middle classes are sacrosanct? Togetherness, , eh?
And they've only just discovered this, or is it that it's safe to tell us now because they'll be breaking up for the best part of a month for the Christmas holiday, so no one will be able to question parliament about it.
And what about the people benefiting from the immigrants?- Vlad, Bucharest, Romania, 4/12/2012 17:28>>>>>.I think you will find it is the other way round!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This migration needs to stop. Possibly the only way MPs, Labour, LibDems and some Tories will realise the truth would be to make sure any housing built or made available for these migrants are either on their properties or immediately surrounding them, especially those coming to scrounge or steal.
Madness, madness, madness.
Stop this now. The UK has lost its ability to feed itself as it is. Please consider your food source if nothing else!
no benefits no free houses no jobs no medical aid then they won't com
GET OUT OF THE EU REFERENDUM NOW. NO WONDER THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE IN DIRE STRAITS. IF IT WAS NOT SO SERIOUS IT WOULD BE A JOKE. GET THIS RABBLE OUT. VOTE UKIP
This government would have to be totally and utterly stupid (quite possible though) to do this. You do not build over swathes of countryside to house immigrants. It makes no sense whatsoever. If there is nowhere for them to live you do not let them in. At least that is my logic. Hopefully just another scaremongering story from the good old ever reliable don't let the truth get in the way of a good story Daily Mail.
"These people now live here, these people are now British and they need homes just like other British people" ... No, they are not British. They just live here because it's convenient. If it were advantagous for them to live somewhere else then they wouldn't be here, they would be there. That is not what being British is. It isn't where you live, it's what you are. These people are merely transferrable units of labour for the capitalist elite. Pretending they are British makes being British a meaningless and valueless concept for those of us that actually are British.
if there are no houses for them its pointless them coming here send them back to there own houses.
Please note; The immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria will be moving straight through Germany, Belgium, Holland and France to make bee-line for the U.K. My question; what are these countries doing, that the U.K. isn't? Because it seems to be working.
We need all the Country to Fight the Government and put a stop to this now.What about looking after your own people. Makes me so so angry. I Loved our GREAT BRITAIN. As did all the Men and Women that fought for it. Breaks my heart to see what we have become. Someone wake up and Help take back what is OURS. Close the gates now no more this has to stop we are a sunken Island already soon to be sunk again. :( So sad what our home has become. UKIP for me and many many more people I bet.
It's not part of this country's remit to house immigrants. Turn them round at Dover - they aren't wanted or needed here.
Don't be so xenophobic. I pray to Allah they allowed to enter our land
Why don't we follow Japan, China et al...and build up ! And up!
UKIP HERE I COME
No we dont need to build in the countryside there are plenty of derelict properties/warehouses brown fill sites to be brought upto scratch, also think about cargo containers ect ect . We have water that isnt going anywhere now so how will building on more land help??? get a grip Nick....and while we are at it stop the wave of immigrants coming here it doesnt happen anywhere else in europe they seem to pick and choose who stays in their country...
Eastern Europe and beyond has already taken over Middle England, let alone the major conurbations. Please stop immigrants without at least a masters degree from a REAL university from staying in Britain - foreign students allowed to study here in approved, vetted universities but only granted 9 weeks work permit per year of study...PLEASE! Vote UKIP.
First Romania and Bulgaria-then Turkey,then Russia,then who knows. Is there any country not planning to send us their people ?
wake up England......wake up people and act!!! Your politicians are selling you out and you are becoming europes dumping ground!!!!
There are plenty of brownfield sites and it should be a priority to use these first. And it should be a priority to provide housing for the people who were born and bred here. My son has been told that it will take him 14 years to get to the top of the housing list as he's single and in his thirties. I expect they mean for him to get to housing provided for the elderly. If they haven't legalised state euthanasia by then. Our country has been thoroughly invaded without a damn shot being fired. I'm voting UKIP next time - and I hope they deliver us from the evil of Brussels and the EU.
I have not met anyone who thinks that allowing further EU immigration is a good idea. This is another example of the majority being ignored in order that our politicians future employers in the business sector and the EU are kept happy. Bring on UKIP.
OR - we just shut our borders and say no instead of pandering to the EUSSR commissars and continuing to be the free benefit rubbish bin of Europe. Or is that too easy.......?
The world has gone completely bonkers......................vote UKIP at the next election and things will change. UKIP is the answer, they are staunch anti immigration.
LET THE FLOODING BEGIN! The effects will be the devaluation of the existing housing stock and robbing existing communities of much needed resources such as schools, hospitals and rubbish collections etc.. For the last 60 or more years town planners have had a field day destroying existing communities and building over our green and pleasant land for the benefit of themselves and their butty developers, to the detriment of the country as a whole. Out of town housing, shops, schools, hospitals and industry have their place but aren't the be all and end-all solution to everything.
This is really frightening. Our beloved country is full to bursting already, our services are over stretched and we are cutting back on everything - no more. Stop this madness now,
We have seen nothing yet - the invasion starts on 1st January 2013...... The biggest worry about Romanians and Bulgarians coming over here is the crime that they bring with them. As we saw with gangs of pickpockets coming over for the Olympics it will be the criminals that come here first..... RIP UK.
Isn't life a joke in this country? First of all, there aren't any jobs and second what about local people who are on the housing list. One of my family has been waiting for 7 years to get a council house!!!
When is this madness going to stop .we are full here,no jobs for our people,NHS full to breaking point,The GOV must be crazy if this is aloud,we must exit EU now.UKIP only way to go to stop this madness.
I am sure that NO OTHER COUNTRY will build homes for immigrants..... This Country is INSANE. and so are the people/polititions for allowing it to happen. WAKE UP. !!!!!!
Why oh why should we have to build our countryside over to accommodate these people from Romania and Bulgaria? If they have work here then surely they should have accommodation lined up before they come. Are they coming here to work or to scrounge?
I'm actually now in favour of withdrawing from the EU and pronto.
Has anybody even bothered to ask the people of Britain what they want? This is just beyond madness.
Wrong
thought you had to have a job to come to, and your own accommodation before you were allowed into this country / or any EU country,. SO WHY are we going to let anyone in, when we have no jobs for our own people. CLOSE THE BORDERS< WE ARE FULL....
Wow. If ever UKIP needed a boost this is it. Peoples' patience will only be extended for so long and then SNAP.
The bad news is that several 'think tanks' have made estimates for the likely influx from Romania and Bulgaria. Though none of them are in accord, the range is between 70,000 and 140,000 for the first 3 years, purely from these two countries. That is the number who are expected to set up permanent residence. That will mean yet more wage freezes as the freely available, cheap labour arrives. Thanks Tony, thanks Cherie, your vision for the country is being realised.
"Romania and Bulgaria¿s citizens can move to Britain for work..." #### Only they won't have to work though, will they? Because of EU rules requiring all EU governments to treated ALL EU citizens the same, they can apply for welfare the moment they set foot on British soil. And they won't even have to sell the Big Issue for a couple of weeks to con a gullible judge that they are 'self-employed'. The sooner UKIP wipe out the three main parties - or rather the two main parties and a soon-to-be-extinct party - the better.
Vote UKIP & end this immigration lunacy now
We can't afford them, lock the gate!
Politicians have to be absolutely open about what changes will come about due to immigration because we already have a Nation that is a gunpowder keg just waiting for any incident to set it off and for any of the consequences of immigration to be concealed would, in my view, leave the population incensed and at total war with the Establishment and the Nation pre programmed for civil strife. Will there be the kind of consequences that have been claimed? Will there a reduced quality of NHS care? Will there be a reduction in the standard of education? Will there be a reduction in old age pensions and all kinds of welfare and benefits? Will we lose the green belt? Will there be a decline in earnings because of cheap labour? Will part of the UK become foreign enclaves that are in Britain but not part of it? Millions of people are desperately worried because it does appear that there is nowhere in the world where different cultures live in the same place without extremes of violence.
I saId on here yesterday, building on another three per cent of land, increasing built-on areas from 9 per cent to 12 per cent (Bole's figures) would increase our housing stock by a third. If we are then adding another third to our estimated population of 60 odd million, that would mean the government is planning on another 20 million people needing homes. Not a scientific calculation, but as the government don't seem to have a clue how many Eastern European's are coming my guess is as good as anybodies.
I thought we had thousands of council houses empty and in need of serious renovation? If we are going to have too put up with hundreds of thousands of more immigrants put them in there instead of destroying the British countryside
................ to accommodate immigrants from........... - yes - this is exactly why the UK is the destination of choice. Do you thnk that France or any other country will do this?
There is no "have to be built over" about it. Surely now is the time to say enough is enough. This sort of news will only add to the popularity of UKIP
Call me cynical, but if immigrants didn't get everything handed to them on a plate, how many would really bother to come? G.B must have a reputation as a complete pushover, a place where the streets really are paved with gold, and you don't have to work for it either. Other countries have populations that are declining, and yet we are the mug that just lets in everyone. How much of our beautiful countryside is going to be left by the time we've housed them all? It's a tragedy. Once the green fields and the woods are submerged under concrete, that's it, we won't be able to get it back. I don't even want to imagine what this country will look like in 50 years time. Goodbye Britain, it was nice knowing you.
The bad news is that several 'think tanks' have made estimates for the likely influx from Romania and Bulgaria. Though none of them are in accord, the range is between 70,000 and 140,000 for the first 3 years, purely from these two countries. That is the number who are expected to set up permanent residence. That will mean yet more wage freezes as the freely available, cheap labour arrives. Thanks Tony, thanks Cherie, your vision for the country is being realised.
¿Britain¿s countryside is under threat from a wave of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants, MPs were warned today. Homes needed to accommodate this influx of Eastern Europeans will mean houses being built across undeveloped land on the UK's unspoilt Green Belt when border restrictions are relaxed, it was claimed.¿ Illogical. Even if 200 millions Bulgarians and Romanians come to UK it does not follow that new houses have to be built. The rent only will go up which will definitely deter immigration. And what about the people benefiting from the immigrants?
Is there any point in having our politicians, they are ineffective and will not take any action to counter the main concerns of the population, which is unrestricted immigration. I dispair
Why do we have to build houses for these people. If I emmigrated to France or italy or anywhere else do you suppose they would build me a house? I don't think so. Just stop them coming we are full up ( and fed up )
Is there any room to stand there? When I lived in my homeland UK I was homeless about four times due to lack of housing, lack of wages and a total lack of consideration to the UK public by authorities. If a country cannot/will not look after it's own, it looks devious and demented to consider adopting more from elsewhere.
heres a cunning plan , but keep it secret , when all the Romanians are finally here I suggest that we emigrate over there and rebuild a new England complete with a new Wembley Twickenham & Lords etc but NO Houses of Parliament , politicians aren´t worth taking, can´t trust em.
Vote UKIP. Vote UKIP....... e u listening?....VOTE UKIP!!!!!
This I can't understand. We are in recession so where are the jobs for these swaithes? simply there are none, most will come because of the benefits system leaving fewer people paying more to fund those who take more whilst putting in nothing. The new property build drive is driven by developers wanting profit and nothing to do with need. We are not that stupid.
everyone in the world can come here and claim all benifits but we cant claim anywhere in the world why ?
Keep your chins up folks only two years til we can vote this bunch of traitors and labour clones out and get UKIP in so we can finally stop this nonsense.
Sounds like he's digested UKIP's manifesto.
We are finished, time everybody realised this.......getting worse by the day....this is all very unnerving i must say.
THE ROAD TO RUIN SHORTENING ALL THE TIME.
Quite frankly proper decent housing for people is far more important than empty patches of land, no matter where those people are from.
Why should we ruin our once "green and pleasant land" just to accomodate immigrants who have not contributed to our economy. Britain is slowly losing it's heritage.
Don't be negative readers. Make them welcome, because they would like your job as well.
If we can't rely on the Government to put a halt to this then maybe employers could simply not employ them. Some hope though....................
The housing need for these people foisted upon us by the EU cesspool management is but a small part of the story. The NHS, education system, benefits system, there is no work for millions at the moment, the huge cultural differences, rapidly diminishing energy resources etc. This is clearly another instalment in the systematic destruction of everything British. The whole crazy circus of our involvement with the EU must end forthwith., ,
I can see massive civil unrest if this government does not put a stop to immigrants from the old eastern bloc countries coming here. It doesn't matter when there is no work for the ones that don't really want work but when the others are affected I can envisage big disturbances. You only have to look at history to see what has happened when a country's economy crumbles and unemployment rises. The indigenous population will change from moaning about foreigners taking their houses and jobs to attacking them. Extreme parties will become more powerful and immigrants will get the blame for anything and everything. Eventually it will probably end in a war and a fracturing of the state. In this case, I believe it is likely that eventually there will be such large unrest that that war will break out. It is inevitable.
Close the borders and tell the EU where to go, or better still get out of it all together, and leave what little resources we have left on this island for the people that actually belong on it.
no it won't. grow a pair and tell the EU we have no need of any more east europeans. to throw away our only resorce we have left encouraging migrants to come hear and fiddle the system would be utter stupidity.
Oh god no....
Why should we build houses for immigrants, when many of our own people can't get an affordable home. It's a real disgrace! Put our own citizens first.
Can't you do what they did on Grange Hill? Just say "No!!"
Mr Philip Hollobone and the rest of his MP colleagues already know full well that the WHOLE of Bulgaria,Romania and (soon) Turkey can freely move here if they saw fit to.But what to them would be the attraction in moving to the austerity-ridden,highly-taxed,over-crowded and multi-cultural United Kingdom ??
Then why on earth is somebody not doing anything to stop it?
No way!!
This country makes it impossible for farmers and farm workers to build homes or essential farm buildings on farm land even though they have to be on site 24/7. Councillors can and do veto attempts to erect such basic buildings, often because they are totally ignorant and not concerned with the needs of farming and country life. And yet, suddenly, it's ok to dig up what's left of our countryside in order to house a load of sponging immigrants. UKIP! UKIP! UKIP! UK!
For every unskilled migrant that comes to Britain, I'll bet one skilled Brit leaves, taking their expertise and tax payments with them. Britain will be a 2nd world country before long, highly in debt, highly uneducated, with a mass of people all dependent on the state, with no output to pay for them. Anybody who stays will be staring down the barrel of a gun. Nothing left to pay for your pensions or health services. Everything your ancestors worked for just given away. Make the last payment you ever make to the UK be the £80 cost of a passport and never look back. You've already said goodbye to the Britain you used to know.
"Britain's fields are under threat from a wave of Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants". Not so. Britain's fields are under threat from greedy property developers and builders, all of which have Tory party connections. We have plenty of brownfield on which to develop, but it is less profitable. This scare story is to deflect attention from what is really going on here.
we have lost our country. our kids have no chance of getting a house, unless they get pregnant and leave their jobs.. what chance have they got now. with more and more migrants coming here ,and taking what our parents built for us through blood and sweat.... I hate the labour party with a vengence , for what they did too us... and i now hate the conservatives for not stopping this wave of migrants coming here and turning our green and pleasant fields into a slum and ghetto
UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP UKIP................. NO MORE IMMIGRATION - WE'RE FULL!!!
what idiot decided letting them in was acceptable in the first place. Hospitals. Full. Schools. Full. Crime rates. Up. No more .
I've always said that what this country needs is more immigration.
I hate to say it but I feel we need a rebellion in order to show these dimwits in power that enough is enough of the alien invasion
If a lot of British people can't afford to buy houses in the countryside and greenbelt, how the hell can dirt poor Romanians and Bulgarians? They are neither welcome nor wanted. We are fed up to the back teeth with "enrichment and diversity"!!!
In the years to come how will the people of this country live ? there will not be enough land to grow enough food to feed everyone. Migration into Britain should be stopped now and Damn the EU.
Tens of thousands of immigrants = tens of thousands leaving the spineless Tories for UKIP !!!!!
Swathes of British countryside 'will have to be built over' to accommodate expected wave of immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria== says he=========================== Easy answer, don't let them in. Why do these numpties in Westminster never go for the simple answer?
Oh please, God, no more. We're full!
So do something about it like refusing them admission. What would the EU do? Throw us out? Perfect saves a referendum which would deliver the same outcome!
Romania and Bulgaria¿s citizens can move to Britain for work when temporary limits expire on December 31 >>>> How does this work then? If we have so many vacancies and so many people out of work, we already have the resources to fill the jobs. If these Romanians and Bulgarians don't already live here, there is no point coming because there is no job to fill and even if there were, there is no home for them and its a bugger of a commute from Eastern Europe.
Oh. "Only" 183,000 to cram in. Or as I like to call it, nine small towns. This has to stop now. It's our last chance.
Or... shut the borders and make them stay where they are. The NHS, education and emergency services are already being pushed to breaking point, billions in foreign aid is being sent overseas to countries that DON'T need it and these migrants will only put further strain on the already stretched resources. Pull out of the EU, shut the borders and get Britain back to being Great!
Tories really are on a suicide mission as they drive people to UKIP
Pull the plug now for crying out loud. Sod Brussels, just do it.
1) there is hardly any work as it is. british people get lower chance of finding it. 2) will the NHS cope with the influx of immis as well as the [eeps living here. 3) build affordable houses for british pls not immis, i got told if i was to go through council then it would be 8 yrs before me and my 2 daughters will get out of this 1 bed flat. and diffo cant afford private as no full time work availabe. tell you what. i will vote for any party who gets us out of EU and gets rid of immis and this whole giving aid to countrys when ours is up the creek, and ofc lowers the bloody tax rates.
We are an island, like Jersey. At what point are we ALLOWED to say "no, we are full up"?? If there are no homes to house them in, they can't stay here can they? So don't build them!
Stop them before they come, stuff the E.U.
I can't believe this is happening... as a person born and raised in the countryside, this article makes me realise how precious our countryside actually is...
Yes, and when the voters get their chance the Tories and Lib/Dems could well be heading for possibly the greatest electoral defeat in modern times.
This is getting ridicules how can we let this happen we dont have enough jobs for us!!! and it would be fine if they were well trained docters and dentists but all they want is out benefits housing and NHS.
God help us !
And how are we going to afford a 'wave' of immigrants - I do not want to pay for anymore immigrants - in fact I don't want to pay for our home grown spongers. We need a revolution. Fed up.
Followed by waves of ordinary folks heading down to Parliament to string up MPs on the embankment lamp posts.
As long as they don't build near you eh! MP's safe then.
This is madness. The country is already overcrowded. The countryside is where people can take a breather from the already overcrowded transport systems. Its so sad we gave away control of our borders by signing up to the EU. Which politicians are going to show strength and are going to stand up for future generations and their quality of life? We simply don't have the capacity to cope with open borders. Total madness.
England is full we do not want any more,try asking the electorate what they want for a change.Leave the EU and it would not be a problem we have no control over.
Your comments: If the government and local councils apply the same rules that other EU countries apply , we will not have a problem . Anyone comIn here from the EU should prove they have a job to go to OR that they have enough money and income to support them selves .its that simple , but the idiots here are giving hand outs to anyone that arrives here or they get jobs after coming here . Stop the handouts , free health treatment etc and it will be same as other Eu countries , but up to now this has not happened and I doubt it will with people like Cameron running the UK
The doors need shutting on international and european migration. We need to operate a 1 in, 1 out policy.
I can't believe I'm reading this; I am a passive aggressive and I am getting quite close to aggressive aggressive if anymore of our countryside is built on, especially for foreigners. It won't happen because people won't let it. There will be a revolution. No more people in this country!
UKIP UKIP UKIP
What is the point of saying anything?!
We'll have nowhere to walk our dogs soon!
Ireland is part of Europe and there are hundreds of empty houses there, some not finished. Why couldn't these people go there? Perhaps the benefits are harder to get?
Get ready for the next statement of "we only expect a few thousand" to tip up in Treasure Island. Well Phoney Tony is Camerloons mentor, what do you expect.
How about all the other EU nationals who are entitled to come here and claim benefits straight away? As economies across the Eurozone collapse we are going to be inundated with migrants who the dwindling band of taxpayers will be expected to keep. It's a total affront to all hard-working people, many of whom are struggling to stay afloat and have less and less disposable income as living costs rise daily. Still, we should be reassured that Theresa May is looking at 'the pull factors' that attract migrants to the UK. For goodness sake woman, ask anyone you meet, everybody else knows what they are and most of us are not paid as handsomely as you.
Every like minded Briton knows that If the immigrants were not provided with housing, benefits, health care and education they would not come here - simples!!! I lived in Spain for 3 years and we had to pay for our health care plus translators if we attened the doctors surgery, town hall, solicitors, hospital etc. Look what Britain would save if we just adopted this one strategy - millions of pounds. If they are genuine asylum seekers we should make them welcome but we all know what's going on - why doesn't the Government?? God help all our grand children.
Get ready to welcome the entrepreneurs, graduates, architects, neurosurgeons and engineers flocking to our shores from Romania and Bulgaria, long may it last as obviously a large number of people in this country don't seem too bothered when they continue to vote Labour year in year out, I'm sure broke Britain can afford to accommodate all of you competing for the same scraps.
Here's a thought close the borders and keep our country green and free of scroungers.
Simple answer. Dont give them houses. If they havent got anywhere to live they will soon head back to whence they came. We make it far to comfy in Britain for foreigners. Try doing the same in their country . Fat chance
Your comments: This has been apparent for the bulk of the last decade and the policies engendered then = no one wanted to be the forst to publicly point this outb however - I wonder why??
Nobody cares that our society is collapsing around our ears and yet more immigration is going to make things worse. Civil unrest is on the horizon.
This will come true.Only a small island we cannot cope now.get out of the EU now !!!!!.
"Romania and Bulgaria¿s citizens can move to Britain for work" What work? Hasn't anyone in Whitehall noticed that there are unemployed people around?
No.No.No.....
Thank you Lib-Lab-Con, the country is lost!
Why would we be building housing for them?? Surely we need more housing for people already living here?? About time we just said "No room at the inn!"
There is a large plot of land in Central London, the garden square just opposite Tony Blair's house. Perhaps we could start there ?
Sounds like another Tory who doesn't want our vote. What the LIbLabCon merchants will slowly come to realise is that a lot of us value things like our freedom, our culture and our beautiful countryside more than we value economic prosperity and we will vote for the only party that shares and will protect our values - UKIP.
There are no jobs and no houses, so why are they coming here? They should be made aware of this then they might think again. If I moved anywhere else, would that country be obliged to house me and feed me? I think not.
The final straw that broke this country's back.
Here's a thought, how about providing some AFFORDABLE housing for BRITISH first time buyers.
2013. unlucky for some. mainly us tax paying uk born brits
Don't let them in unless they can prove they have a full time job. This country is a soft touch and we are soft in the brain to allow the influx of migrants. We just cannot afford it. Stop all benefits until people have been here for two years.
We don't have to build lots of shoeboxes for EU beggars. We just need to leave the EU. ASAP.
Britain is the laughing stock of the world. Our 'open door' policy has destroyed culture, social adhesion and integration of local communities. British people have been pushed out of vast swathes of the cities as they feel they 'do not fit in' any more. Areas are overtaken, run down and culturally changed to suit immigrant areas. This has all happened in a single generation and has reached a point beyond saturation whereby we really have become 'Broken Britain'.What a sad reflection on our history.
Coming soon to a beauty spot near you! This country is full we don't have enough housing for the people already here or enough jobs so why let more people come in to live on our benefits system! This will tip us over the econimic edge and all because our politicians are weak and spineless!
Given the amazing statistic that you could build a house for everyone in the world (around 8 billion people) and they would fit inside Texas, I'm simply not buying this swathes of green belt, especially as you can drive through any town or city and see large areas suitable for building.
This whole thing is just plain stupid and totally unacceptable ! ! ! If this report in anywhere near the truth then the Government MUST act to protect us from this invasion. ANY immigrant to this country, whoever and from wherever should show that they have the means to exist and somewhere to live before being allowed in. Of course the obvious answer is to withdraw from the shackles of the EU and close our borders to unnecessary immigration but Cameron has not got the b*lls to give us the referendum.
Coming soon to a beauty spot near you! This country is full we don't have enough housing for the people already here or enough jobs so why let more people come in to live on our benefits system! This will tip us over the econimic edge and all because our politicians are weak and spineless!
Vote UKIP. Very simple answer.
Romanians and Bulgarians have been coming to the UK unchallenged ever since their countries entered the EU. Politicians seem to believe that these nationalities adhere to the terms of accession when, in reality, it would have been far too difficult for immigration staff at the borders to ascertain the true intentions of those seeking admission. As this has been the case, there is no reason why numbers of immigrants should increase because of the "relaxation" of rules. Even if the politicians are woefully ignorant of the truth, be assured that Romanians especially, and Bulgarians to a lesser degree,are fully up to speed and have been for a long time.
You would have thought that our government would have thought of this before allowing them all in - As we are in the EU send them all to France and Germany, and see how they like it.
no more were full !
Many thousands more coming to take billions out of a benefits system they have not paid a penny in to! Not just more housing, more strain on the NHS, education and taking jobs that Brits should be doing! Vote UKIP - they care about the country not the EUSSR!
If you ask the British people you will find that they DO NOT WANT ANY immigrants from Romania or Bulgaria over here, none. This is utter lunacy.
Enough is enough - we cannot accommodate any more people in the UK and we haven't enough homes for the people already here. We do not have to build homes for immigrants - if they cannot find their own housing they should be in the queue behind the indigenous population. One of the reasons the UK is so popular with immigrants is that their needs have been prioritised in their past and this should no longer happen. .
Well done Mr Hollobone, At least someone's keeping an open for my country. UK won't know what has hit it in a year's time.
No way. Build on brown field sites first!!!! There are plenty of those kicking around but it's easier to smack-up an ugly concreate jungle.
Time to pull up the drawbridge.
So you cant be British if you're Catholic, and the British don't overthrow regimes with violence? Do you actually know anything about Britain?
To not in my name of London- what on earth do you mean English is not a race? English is both a language and a race-generally accepted to mean those of Anglo-Saxon origin. Everyone has a race,the family name and mother tongue give a clue.
To vote BNP & UKIP should not be regarded as "protest" votes they are votes for party,s that have representative,s that were not born with silver spoons in their mouth,s. How can the the past & present government have any idea what real life is like. They dont have to struggle to pay bills, use public transport,use supermarkets, fight to get their kids in a decent school. Ask any of them how much a school lunch cost.s or a bag of spuds loaf of bread or even the "standing charge" for gas electric & phone bill they would not have a clue. They live behind high walls electric gate's & the only immigrants they know of are the rich Arab,s that live in the next house about half an acre away.
British values and traditions. A phrase used frequently by British Citizens, but only by Government when it suits them. I quote from a previous post,by ghost maker Croydonistan,***** In the last decades I feel like I have been transported to a country and time I know nothing about! Everything I have learned and valued has changed, My neighbours don't know me or interact with me, My hometown is now a slum.The hospital I was born in is unfit for purpose. The only light at the end of my tunnel of life for me is I'm nearer the end than the beginning..R.I.P MY ONCE BELOVED ENGLAND, For you DIED before ME**********I find this very moving and poetic. The British Government HAVE LOST CONTROL having SURRENDERED ITS POWERS TO THE EU, by REFUSING to get us out of it. Everything we have learned and valued has changed. This Country is no longer recognisable as Britain.
Where is the Britian we once knew? Long gone and manipulated by Brussels into an orderly mass of nodding puppets. Cut the strings and Britain will come alive again! - disenchanted , West Yorkshire, 07/3/2013 11:39 ----- Wrong bogey-man mate. Britain's national decline began with the fatal embrace of relativism as the old Empire slipped away. Withdrawal from the EU will not do a jot to change the violent, drunken, fornicating yobs who befoul our cities and towns. To make Britannia live again would require a moral and social revival of the kind seen in the 1830's.
I'm living in Germany and the germans aren't happy about it either.....
I know you won't hear this because like religious people you too have been brainwashed but the the royals,the titled and the obscenely rich suck the poor and poor saps like you applaud them now go and wave your silly flag
I seem to remember that when I was very young a politician by the name of Barbara Castle said something to the effect that all these people coming to our shores would be assimilated, there would not be ghettos in this country and we wouldnt notice them in a little while. She went on to suggest that any who did notice them was a racist. At that time they were coming from the West Indies. At least those early immigrants knew something about Britishness or thought they did but some must have been disappointed when they got here.
from what I've read lately, y'all have been eating enough horsemeat to qualify as being partially French, not unlike that big underground tunnel...
Where is the Britian we once knew? Long gone and manipulated by Brussels into an orderly mass of nodding puppets. Cut the strings and Britain will come alive again!
Sadly, writing an article like: Don't break the bonds of Britishness is, in itself, viewed with suspicion. Not by British people. It rules out the idea of a willingness to integrate with our neighbours, irrespective of nationality, race or creed. Now we have integrated, and opened up our island to everyone who belongs to the EU, we no longer have any control over this situation, legally or morally or even economically. We must work together. We cannot tolerate individuality. Neither can we go back on these EU policies. We just negotiate what might be in it for us. Any talk of losing our British identity is met with - there's that word again - suspicion. The British are a caring and generous nation. We look after everybody. Yet the limit of our willingness must have been passed many, many years ago. That would always have been my first concern. It's just common sense.
And still the sheep will vote LibLabCon !!
The whole idea was to break down the bonds of Britishness, so each Briton bereft of family, true friends and compatriots would be at the mercy of the state all alone.I think they have succeeded, and if you believe any politician who says they will try and put things right, well would you like to buy Sydney Harbour bridge, I can get you a good deal?
A BNP vote is the only protest vote.
It was all planned to be this way.....
"You may say that the virtues I described in Britishness exist largely or only in the imagination. But that is where we spend much of our lives." What on earth are you babbling about? So you're saying that because you may have made it all up thats ok because we all live our lives in fantasy land? Or did you just mean Daily Mail readers?
Dear smith123 in Basingstoke, I voted for Griffin (BNP) in the 2009 euros, and was delighted to see he got in. Never see him on the Parliament Channel though, censored by the beeb. I'm 66, and basically a lifelong tory, but no more. As of now the future is UKIP. But if they go pearshaped it will be the BNP. What else? Where the hell else do you go?
I am English. I believe I'm an endangered species. I've certainly abandoned my traditional habitat for a safer haven.
All is not lost dear friends, come 2015 just vote UKIP, and we will get our country back..!!! - Spencer I. Mather , Bradwell-Great Yarmouth, 06/3/2013 12:10 No we will not - not until we take to the streets in our millions. Do you REALLY think that any of our politicians are actually going to let the likes of you and me unravel the carefully laid plans for a United States of Europe ? Of course not, they will bluff, bluster and lie until it is too late for us to do anything. There will not even be a chance to leave unless it is to another EU country.
We can regain this once great nation but it takes backbone and truth - something politicians, both Conservatice andLabour, do not have. Lets try UKIP - at least they can do no worse.......................................................... I bet you many pounds that they would. Hopefully we'll never find out!
Is this a serious article - stiff upper lip as a defining feature of being British. What a load of tripe
At the 2015 general election vote for UKIP. Do not believe Camerons lies regarding a referendum on the EU. Just vote UKIP in with a majority and we will be out of the EU within two weeks of Parliament opening. That is all that is needed. A cross on a voting paper against the UKIP candidates name.
Uk will become the human dustbin of Europe within five years
"Our heritage, or what remains of it, is under threat from Romania and Bulgaria."________________________________________________________________________________________________ Poppycock. Romanians and Bulgarians are not the problem, the main problem is the non-integration of alien faiths from further afield. The other significant issue is successive governments that insist on extending benefits to people who have either never paid into the system or don't have parents or grandparents who have paid into the system. Demonising East Europeans is nothing but a pusillanimous way of skirting the real, rather trickier, issues and as such is part of the problem.
As always a great article from Andrew,our so called leaders need to remember this is our Country not theirs,they have no right to give it away,UKIP is the one party which will put a stop to this.???
I am proud to be British. Just like my ancestors were who included Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish, Viking and possibly in the distant past Norman/French. My children have a Belgian mother and my son in law is Italian. Thank goodness we didn't have immigration to dilute the stock of us typical English.
My real fear is that our world leaders won't let us leave the EU even if UKIP do win. Even America wants our banking organisations to remain in the EUSSR As along with Germany they intend to rule the world one day.And yes i know how daft i sound but how do we know if we have a referendum they won't rig the results.
Very poignant article. The very fabric of our country is being eroded and unless we revolt there is little we can do. The only hope is UKIP in 2015.
Historically, Cymraeg (Welsh) has also been known in English as "the British tongue" (Wiki). Also, George Orwell wrote in his Tribune column: ¿At one time I would have said that it is absurd to keep alive an archaic language like [Scots] Gaelic, spoken by only a few hundred thousand people. Now I am not so sure. To begin with, if people feel that they have a special culture which ought to be preserved, and that the language is part of it, difficulties should not be put in their way when they want their children to learn it properly. Secondly the Scottish Gaelic-speaking peasants speak beautiful English, partly, I think, because English is an almost foreign language which they sometimes do not use for days together. Probably they benefit intellectually by having to be aware of dictionaries and grammatical rules, as their English opposite numbers would not be." He was writing ¿1984¿ while living on the Isle of Jura at the time.
It is called globalization.
We are England, we speak English. Why on earth should we spend thousands and thousands of pounds printing documents in every language under the sun? If you chose to live here, take time to learn our language - there are plenty of free classes! Does anyone think about the weight it puts on teachers who have to cope with children who can't understand a word of what is going on in a class? We can all embrace different cultures in what they bring to the UK such as dance, food, literature etc, but we don't want to change to suit them, they should change to fit in with our society!
"Our heritage, or what remains of it, is under threat from Romania and Bulgaria...." - evidence, please, Mr Alexander. Or do you subscribe to the view that if you and the other RightMinds contributors say something often enough, it becomes true?
Britain has been all but destroyed by those that have ill used her and made a profitable plaything of wars and the lives of those that died fighting them. These enemies are among us, look like us, and sound like us. All a deceipt ,as the mass privatisation (corporatisation) that began under Thatcher, curse her, has accelerated as "governments" (sic) hollowed out our great manufacturing ability, and even sent the profits of our energy industries to France and Germany while our infrastructure rots and foreign companies profit by covering our countryside in weather altering and ugly windmills. Animal farm, by Eric Blair predicted such, along with the death of clover, the strongest and best of the animals. No wonder these evil, slimy toads want secret courts. Self preservation: Strongest among the most evil diseases that afflict humanity.
They already have. To these people the definition of Britishness means absolutely nothing.
As far as I am Concerned; all the politicians from the three main parties are guilty of High Treason and I hope one day to see them sentenced accordingly.
To me, a brilliant and moving essay.
Politicians are only now being forced to acknowledge our concerns. They've known about them, they have buried their heads and made token speeches. The argument between Cons and Lab about not prosecuting employers flouting minimum wage and undercutting, it as I watched Parliament live questions yesterday tells me all I need to know about how the voters are thought of. Excessive immigration was high on the list at the last election and they have only themselves to blame for the anger that is rising and their scramble to look as though they are listening. If it hadn't been for U.K.I.P. addressing our concerns then they still, as Stuart Jackson has said on the Daily Politics, would not have the political will to sort it. We can see the balance of our community changing, hear it, everyday. This was not asked for by the voter and when I in the 60's as a young woman saw small numbers Polish, Italian and Indian in my community, there was no problem, our Britishness was in no doubt. Not now.
All Too Little ,To Late
We can regain this once great nation but it takes backbone and truth - something politicians, both Conservatice andLabour, do not have. Lets try UKIP - at least they can do no worse.
Britishness at a personal level encompasses a variety of values: the stiff upper lip (another name for self-control), a strong sense of fair play and a (lingering) sense that how you play the game is as important as whether you win. Tolerance is a key virtue. Good manners and even the instinct to queue matter..................................Yes, all the 'virtues' that got us into this mess in the first place!
The aim of most of the politicians is a European superstate with no national boundaries,an elite in charge,no citizens with citizens rights,but low-paid drones who dont own anything,and with weak family ties, as the family has been undermined by so many forces,especially education and the media. This is the new world order,which Tony Blair and Gordon Brown envisaged,-they actually said this,but this dream is not confined to left-wing or liberal politicians.The current financial crisis,may have been deliberately engineered to destabilize the world economy and bring this situation about. If this nightmare world is not want people want for themselves or their children,they need to act. The most important thing is leaving the EU to begin with.
I refuse to accept the description British. Abu Qatada and most of his supporters are British and to equate me and several million other people in this Country with those treacherous Scumbags, insults us all. I don't care what I am referred to as I have English, Welsh and Irish forebears, but British, NEVER.
The bonds of Britishness are being destroyed. It is essential in the cause to create a EU super-state. By diluting native populations in ALL European countries, mixing them up with peoples from all over Europe they are creating their vision of what the future "country" of Europe will look like. It is clear the government is playing it's part in this dilution of nations when you see the never ending refusal (or delaying) of a referendum on EU membership. The latest one we've been promised will be sometime AFTER the next election, after hundreds of thousands more EU migrants are here, every week, every day, every hour, more people from EU countries arrive here, are these people going to vote for Britain leaving the EU? Of course not! The super-state is still on course and nations are being dissolved into the mix. A referendum will not be granted until it's outcome is assured in favour of remaining in the EU.
UKIP is the only way now, the others have had their chance and did nothing. I am so cross I could even vote BNP. and God help this country if they got it in. Al - Hants
A brilliant article!
All is not lost dear friends, come 2015 just vote UKIP, and we will get our country back..!!!
The politicians made empty promises to get into power and then reneged. Successive British governments have committed treason against this once-wonderful country, this jewel, this sceptred isle, by betraying everything and everyone. The situation can never ever be rectified, as the damage is now done. I detest them for selling us down the river, by going against everything and allowing unlimited immigration and overseeing our demise. You will never be forgiven.
Oh Wyrdtimes, you are so right. Whilst we can enjoy the richness of our United Kingdom, the four nations that constitute it are very different, a fact which our politicians appear to recognise with only three of them. Please, please can you let me know why we are not allowed an English parliament and why nobody said anything when our sister nations were devolving around us? Why are we, the largest of the four nations, not given the same rights as our northern and western counterparts? Perhaps it is because, as this article about ENGLISHNESS states we apologise for our very being, maintain a stiff upper lip in the face of adversity and just get on with it when we are so unfairly treated. Would that we displayed some of the more demanding characteristics of our French neighbours!
Two separate but related issues here: National Identity & Immigration. The former should never be used to justify restricting the latter because we have always been a nation of immigrants. Sometimes brutally like 1066, the origins of our present monarchy. It is the numbers game & its impact on jobs, housing & public services which matters most. Practical things, not ethereal things. Good to see Andrew trying to define Britishness, a concept which only goes back to the 1707 Act of Union. Good to see him admit that this is largely a thing of the imagination. Few of us would wish to be conscripted into a Great National Identity Project like Hitler tried to foist on the Germans. Stick to numbers, Andrew. That's what really matters.
Do try and keep up , young Alexander, the ethnic cleansing of Britian has been going on for decades, and those who have pointed this out forcefully have been villified and ostacised by "all right thinking people" aka the Establishment for doing just that. It is only now when the multicultural flood is lapping at the doorseps of the members of that establishmernt elite that they have even deigned to notice it!
Andrew oh Andrew, the England i grew up in, you as well, so sad to see it's demise, ruined beyond repair.by all political parties
In London there is an area in Victoria, called Petty France, where French Huguenot refugees congregated, in The City there is Old Jewry and of course we know about Golder's Green. In the first half of The 20th Century, Clerkenwell was an Italian enclave. Kilburn and Hammersmith had predominantly large Irish Catholic populations. In the late 19th Century, Chinese seaman came ashore at The London Docks and formed communities in Limehouse. In Santa Monica, California you will find that , many of the hundreds of thousands of Brit's, many illegal over stayers, have formed a Little England with pubs and shops where you can buy Kit Kat's and Cornish Pasties. Britain's 2 most celebrated Immigrants were William Of Orange and of course George The First who never bothered to learn too much English. Many of our English Traditions, were introduced by foreigners, Christmas trees, tea and Curry. There is nothing more traditional about our country, than foreigners coming to live here.
As many have already said, The horse had bolted We have been betrayed by the political classes who are only interested in keeping us involved with the criminal organisation that is The European Union
Translated: vote BNP, the only party that cares about homogeneity. Except that you wouldn't dare write that, would you?
lily livered politicians will never break faith with the eu. they regard the eu as where they will go when kicked out of the uk paliament .nobody bites the hand that would feed them. as a british country we are finished
In times of economic recession, the Right look for scapegoats - those who look different to us, sound different to us, worship differently to us. Look what happened to Germany in the 1920s. Beware!
Alexander has made an insulting comment to British Catholics in his article. We Catholics are just as much British as those who profess to be C of E or atheist. Our Faith does not make us any less British.
All dosy dave millipead...and the rest of them worry about is votes! and sod Great Britain
I'm old enough to know what it was like to FEEL british through and through ( ask your grandparents ) Today, that "feeling" is all but gone and with it very sadly my feelings of allegiance to my country
It is too late, the travesty of the dilution of the British way of life and character has been achieved . Can it get worse? By all means if giving the EU the free hand to let all and sundry enjoy the cornucopia of the welfare state. A cultural pogrom was allowed to happen by all political parties. By the time UKIP will or will not get a foothold into British politics, the damage will have been done and will be irreversible.
Trudi Worcester ......you are correct , they are waiting for us dinosaurs to die out , the younger ones have been brought up to accept what we never will !
Has the word ENGLISH become a racist term not to be mentioned. I am not British, I AM ENGLISH, there is a difference, we are becoming a minority in our own country.
The "stiff upper lip" is actually an American expression (according to Paul Johnson's History of the American People).
Have a look at the UN's 'Rights of the Indigenous People Act' which our leaders refused to sign up to. I am starting to get slightly paranoid, there is something 'not quite right' in what is happening in the UK and I am normally very level headed.
And they wonder why the British public do not trust politicians. They have committed TREASON over the past few years for treading the EU path and should be punished accordingly for destroying this once mighty land.
Breaking the bonds of Britishness lies at the heart of the European Plot.
When British became used instead of English, Welsh, Irish, or Scottish is when our Country went down the slippery slope!
I knew this years ago that's why I voted no against the advise of the press for our continual membership of the Common Market, we had the best of everything with our Commonwealth of nations, all we have now are imports people are too scared to upset them, I will be voting UKIP it's our only hope and possibly too late!
The arrogant British Establishment and their lackeys in LibLabCON have RUINED the UK - on the alter of a United States of Europe. God may forgive them, but I NEVER will. I want my country back - as much as we possibly can, anyway. And that means leaving the EU. Vote UKIP.
I regard myself as British and will definitely be voting UKIP at all forthcoming elections.
To late my friend ....... the horse has bolted........
But Andrew, you know that the political class have the British and all we stand for. They are like the 17th and 18th century fops who thought everything French and Italian was superior to ours. They think so lowly of us we are not to be allowed to run our own country, whatever personal embarrassment the lies and distortions over the EU and a referendum might cause particular Conservatives to keep us in.
Whilst right on many points, you lose when you state 'our race' English is not a race. Also, last time I looked west indians do not speak a different language, are predominately christian and have integrated massively since the sixties. Please write fact not continue down this path of scaremongering. There are real issues with the coming EU change focus on that.
CLOSING THE STABLE DOOR WHEN THE HORSE HAS BOLTED COMES TO MIND.
What has happened to our country by our politicians is summed up by one word. TREASON
I am an Englishman.
What we need to understand is the reason we're witnessing a deliberate dismantling of our culture. It's nothing to do with rubbing anyone's nose. It's about future loyalty to the EU. We're collectively expected to transfer our loyalty and fight for them just as enthusiastically and effectively as we have fought for the Crown. They do understand that us old ones are never going to play ball. We're written off, it's simply a case of taking our accumulated money back. But the kiddiwinks are an open book and thus a different story entirely.
Those in power have decided to replace the British people with immigrants. That's just about all you need to know to grasp the political position.
It's the bonds of Englishness that are being destroyed because neither the British government or the British establishment media will talk about England.
The only conclusion to this article is to leave the EU but, alas, I fear it is too late if any of the 3 main parties stay in power. Time for UKIP.
Why won't the author admit he's talking about England not Britain?
I feel sick poor U.K
I wish all of our policticians live in Boston,
I am not against a certain amount of immigrants coming here, but not these huge numbers. I do object very, very strongly when I feel a foreigner in my own land. Stop the benefits, Stop the housing, do not let anyone in unless they have somewhere to live and a job! If they lose the job they should be made to return home. Time to harden up!
The local people who have to endure the result of mass immigration in these country market towns should also think about the indigenous people in the inner cities all over the country who have have become a minority in their own area's,many are also frightened to enter no-go area's set up by immigrants from the middle east and Africa.The tottenham riots were only a taster of what is to come in the future.We have to get rid of the politicians who are encouraging this disaster before it is to late,if it is not all ready.
What a horrible article. This type of journalism can only serve to foster hatred. In Europe we have the right to move wherever we want. It is about time the UK woke up to the fact that they are not the only (and best) people on the planet.
Yep! the article just about covers everything we see and hear every night. Lincolnshire is no longer English. The young find it hard to get work as so many Eastern Europeans have moved in. Personally I shall never vote again for a party that supports the EUSSR. I want my country back!!!
Most Bostonians wouldn't touch the minimum wage agri/ jobs so why are they whinging now? - Kate, York, UK I am generally pro-immigration, I grew up in Boston and left 4 years ago but visit regularly and still have family in the area. I actually enjoy the Baltic food shops, my favourite fudge is Polish and I enjoy being able to buy alternative foods there. However I have seen many friends there struggle to find work in agriculture as they all want to be paid the minimum wage (not unreasonable!) and there are so many who will work for less than minimum wage, cash in hand that they are undercut. It used to be traditional for the Grammar School boys and girls to work on the land between leaving the Upper-Sixth and attending University - no-one in my year (only 5 years ago) managed to get a job on the land, however their elder siblings did in the late 90s/early noughties and were able to earn around £3k for the 3 months work, now they don't need the young people any more!
The pubs in Boston that display notices, stating were drinking alcohol in public places is banned, are written in Polish, Portugese and some other language. But when these people get caught they claim they do not understand. And yes walking in the town centre is like being a full member meeting of the United Nations....Strangely, never seen many Asians there.
Sounds great. Eastern European food is delicious and those Baltic girls are well fit.
AN EXTREMELY GOOD, and all encompassing article. Taking all factors into consideration and voicing so many of the things that I have long felt - on being that the loss of the English culture is a fact and not about racism, AND THE SOFT welfare state has done far more harm than good.
Oh well Brown ,Blair and all those other Socialist traitors have got what THEY wanted....- Nick, Aldershot,...No actually they all moved back to Scotland where immigrants aren't made welcome. Blair changed his religion and then his nationality, he's now Irish. He didn't like what Britain had become.
There are two magic words in the article. Jack. And Straw. I'm increasingly convinced that this communist has worked/s to his own private agenda, intent on bringing down Britain as we know it ... ironically with the help of Thatcher and her free market ideals. The ordinary Brit is needless to say, suffering in the middle.
The Labour Government openly encouraged immigration, not because of the work places they would fill, but knowing the majority would be voting for them and not the Tories. The lure of never ending income support, and the money making concern of having more and more children is something they could expect from the Labour government, but would never receive in their own countries - that's the real reason for such high immigration.
It's the same all over the country whatever flavour the immigrants. What we REALLY need is a return to National Service to prepare our young people to have the proper attitude.
TYPICAL Londoner... thinks anyone who doesn't live in a noisy, crime-ridden, over-populated hell-hole of a capital city is a moron with webbed feet who can barely comprehend the horseless carriage. The fact that there are both native and immigrant wasters alike in our town is evidence enough that the problem hasn't been caused by our politicians or by immigration... I'd rather blame the wasters for being wasters instead of giving them a convenient scapegoat in the politicians and their policies. Punish ALL of the wasters, kill off their benefits and chuck immigrants out of the country as soon as they're caught breaking our laws. Also I notice there's no mention of immigrants sending their hard-earned money back home rather than spending it in this country???
Well nothing surprises me about this story. You want to live in London. It is the same. So nothing new there then.
Notice how the citizens are literally begging the govt in England and the US to do something about rampant immigration but nothing is ever done, on the contrary, it just keeps getting worse. Our govts keep talking about illegal/legal immigration, keep promising action, but nothing is done. They tell us that "x" numbers of immigrants are being repatriated back to their home countries in an effort to placate us when in reality the opposite is occurring. It's like the govts are holding the metaphorical secret door open and serving as "lookout" as the illegals stream in. Folks, our govts have an agenda and they are working feverishly to realize that agenda before we wake up and explode in anger and take to the streets. World govts have at some point arrived at this plan and are forcing it upon us whether we like it or not.
What a well written article. I cannot understand how most people feel the same as this journalist and yet nothing is done. What can the ordinary person do? I must admit I do find the drink culture a bit of a problem in the UK. I left the Uk in1974 and would love to come back..I have been back every year for 20 years but in these last few the deterioration in everything is so evident. So sad, but I blame the media, the parents, and people with no sense of responsibility, pride or shame anymore. This generation have lead a cushioned life. I wish the police could be given greater powers and the justice system would support them. Bring back national service for the parents!!
Never fear, David Camoron is here. He has made a flying start to dealing with immigration by dishing out an unconditional amnesty to all illegals who have been here ten years (or say that they have been here ten years) thus guaranteeing a tsunami of illegal immigrants in the future. And to make sure that they can all get in without problems he is sacking a third of the Border Agency staff. Amazingly, there are still people around stupid enough to believe the Tories would ever cut immigration and risk upsetting the greedy bosses who bankrolled them into Downing Street.
This article is spot on! Instead of directing your anger at the immigrants, be angry at the politicians, they are playing the game of divide and conquer and we are falling for it!
Spicy salami, smoked meats and pickles are an aquired Baltic taste? I think you'll find that most of the British population have tried those foods at some point in their lives do you not? If not, they're so closeted it's no wonder they disagree with the 'influx'.....
And I suspect they encouraged this vast migration because they lacked the courage or the will to confront the huge problems of broken families, feeble schools and welfare dependency: the real causes of the so-called labour shortage..... Too much of human rights without any responsibility, ideal ingredient for disaster. Hundreds of able bodied people are roaming in the streets and they are not looking for any work because state pays for everything. It is no good blaming the poor foreigners as these jobs will not be touched by the local British people (somalians and asians included).
How very sad. If our Glorious Dead from the World Wars could see the Country now, they would wonder what they had been fighting for.
The reason the shops are boarded up is because of the greedy Council charging such high rates, I know some of the shops have reduced rates for imigrants. The farmers take on cheap imigrant labour and put our local hard working men on so called 'Gardening Leave' that is the next thing to the sack. Wait until they start infiltrating our Councils, it won't be long now.
i can see in ten years that this country will be the poor man of europe, we have allowed millions of foriegners into our country who might be willing to work hard but that's it, whatever money they earn is send home to the country they came from therefore our economy gains nothing, how can it be right for anyone to eanter this country and claim child tax benefits for their ct living here, i have heard of them claiming for kids they don't have knowing their lies will not be checked, anyone coming here should not be allowed to claim any benefits or receive free nhs care until they have been here for 5 years, i will never forgive blair for what he and brown did to this country do they care the answer id no, blair now owns 5 homes but the labour voters will still vote for these so called socialists like blair
This emphases the problem with mass immigration, treat the immigrants like like cash cows and the locals like employment mules. Immigrating should be about preferring the new countries values above the values left behind, no wonder there is tensions with the current attitude of governments.
I live near Boston, I dont go there anymore, its like going to Poland. Theres a big Car boot at Stickney, near Boston, i went there the other day, i walked round for neraly ten minutes withourt hearing anyone speaking english. I fet like a foriegnerer. Spalding is the same. You cant get a job in the food factories there unless you speak Polish - really, its a requirement now of applying. And who did this? Tony Blair, the man need to be tried as a traitor to england.
I've never read such hateful rubbish. Most Bostonians wouldn't touch the minimum wage agri/ jobs so why are they whinging now? Shame on you DM
British people have been sold out by the traitors who rule us. Bringing in all these cheap immigrants to undercut British workers. And then the cheek of rich middle class types, the media and the CBI calling British people lazy and workshy - when they themselves would never in a million years countenance cleaning toilets for 6 quid an hour. And how can anyone live on that amount per week anyway? Pay a decent wage, train young British people properly and bring back pride in your work and you'd have a much better country. Instead all we have is a race to the bottom with desperate Eastern Europeans and other immigrants and all the problems they have and bring as well. It's terrible and considering the British people built this country to begin with a travesty.
Absolutely diabolical, but nothing most of us didn't already know. Will this nightmare ever end?
Wierd how this country got by perfectly well without all this mass immigration ..... and now we have it , the country is broken. No wonder our youths are despondant . They and their parents were led to believe in a good life ...... and what did they end up with ? Live like a migrant on poor wages ,10 to a room or nothing . Why should our own people have to put up with this ?. This country and its own people has been sold well and truly down the river by traitors. - david, plymouth, 18/9/2011 1:40 David, you got a green arrow from me, but what makes it even more tragic is the electorate that continues to vote for not only Liebour, but the other 2 main parties, Libs and Cons, the policies of which you could not get the edge of a fag wrapper between. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!
I suppose the only good news is that whilst the political parties think it will never effect them and that they will stay cocooned in their little Notting Hill/Chipping Norton fantasy world one day to their shock horror they and their priviliged offsprings are going to find that their world has been destroyed by their own hands.
Y'know what... I actually come from Boston and luckily enough escaped the place before the 'invasion' as some of my former neighbours called it. This article makes a fair point, but it ignores the real problem about places like my hometown - the decades and generations of governmental neglect that preceded immigration. This isn't the fault of immigrants, it's the fault of successive governments that have allowed ordinary people in relatively isolated areas to suffer poor schools, poor facilities and a poor standard of life. Towns like Boston need investment. It's a marker of my home's generational decline that it takes an influx of 20,000 immigrants to highlight the problems in towns like these. No one cared before, but suddenly the 'British way of life is under threat'. As for the immigrants, I personally am of the opinion that there would be enough work to go around for locals and Easties alike if only there was some attempt to regenerate the struggling area.
RIP, my beloved England. You have been choked to death by politicians.
Only nationalism can save us now, and a country with brains not care if they are demonised for it by the media.
Britain isn't broken, it has been DESTROYED by LABOUR. mostly TONY BLAIR. But politicians live in their ivory towers while we live amongst it all.
It must first be said that if you went back 70 years, you would find in that same county brave Polish RAF squadrons who helped us win the war. It must also be said that these people are doing a job that we don't want to do, and they are of our ethnicity and basic religion. Having said that, the scale of it, and all the other immigration to this country, that no one wanted or approved, is completely unacceptable. Net immigration has risen in the last year, despite the Tories' pledge to cut it. The fact is, if you vote Con/Lab/Lib, you are voting for National Suicide.
It's all very well for these immigrants that say they will work for less wages than the natives but they DON'T, they top up their income with tax credits (tax payer money), these "cheap" immigrants are costing the country a fortune; also immigrants send billions each year to their country of origin, we are being bled dry....
Oh well Brown ,Blair and all those other Socialist traitors have got what THEY wanted.
"There is something brave and commendable about their willingness to live in crowded, shared lodgings, eating cheaply and saving hard; an experience we should all go through at some time or another." Why, exactly?????!!!!! Speak for yourself! I don't need that experience to expand my soul, thanks.
We live close to Boston and Todd from Sleaford is right, there are places that no longer feel safe, such as some of the public car parks. This is because of large groups of young men drinking from 9am in the morning and calling out at you when you walk by. You can walk for several minutes through the centre of the main shopping area and only hear eastern european voices.
Funny how fruit and vegetables used to get harvested before isn,t it,I dont recall them being left to rot in the fields before the EU invasion
You can just picture people like Bliar, Brown, Mandelson, Campbell, Harperson, Hewitt etc sat round the table planning all this and the smug smirks on their faces as they did, not caring one bit about what they were going to do to this country - blinded by their hatred and their desire to "rub the noses of the right" in it. They should all be tried for treason and what they're turned this country into. Still, they don't have to live with the consequences of their "policies" and continue to reside in their leafy, comfortable ivory towers whilst the rest of us see and actually have to deal with on a daily basis the stuff Peter Hitchens so eloquently and accurately describes. Shame on them all and pity on us all...
carl marx loved free trade because it destroyed the countries that practiced it.
Finally some recognition of what Lincolnshire has turned into. It's unbelievable to think how much Spalding and Boston has change over the last ten years. I work in Spalding and have noticed no drinking zone signs in latvian, polish and Lithuanian all over the town. Every night at six o'clock until the early house of the morning in the car park behind Domino's in Spalding there are eastern Europeans drinking in the trees, urinating and shouting all night, I can't park my car there anymore, there are places in Spalding AND Boston that are literally no go zones, it's simply too dangerous. I'm sick of the fights and I'm sorry to say it's almost always eastern Europeans, incidentally eastern Europe is my favourite holiday destination and I love going, but there must be something in the water here that changes them. I just hope something is done about it soon, if not, I'm leaving!
It is too late. If you can afford to, leave, if you can't then prepare for the worst.
Another goal for tony and co then
Wierd how this country got by perfectly well without all this mass immigration ..... and now we have it , the country is broken. No wonder our youths are despondant . They and their parents were led to believe in a good life ...... and what did they end up with ? Live like a migrant on poor wages ,10 to a room or nothing . Why should our own people have to put up with this ?. This country and its own people has been sold well and truly down the river by traitors.
Exactly the same in Peterborough, Wisbech and Spalding. All very sad.
They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Whereas in Britain you sign on the dole, the dole decides what jobs are suitable for you, are you over qualified or under qualified. If you take a temperary job how many months will you have to wait before you are back to the level you were at before you took the job. How long will you have to work and save enough to pay your way until your benefits are back up to the level of where you were before you took the job. Where are the jobs. Do you have to travel far to work. How will you get to the work by public transport even when the work is centered in an industrial park public transport isn't always available. What is your ethnicity? What is your gender? Do you have a disability? Will the hours cover you enough after you have left the security of the dole. Do you have to work shifts and rely on public transport. Government today is too intrusive, it sets targets for everything but fails to meet the basic criteria.
In Ireland we now have 1 in 4 Polish people living here are now on the dole so thats 188euro each per week plus rent allowance and fuel allowance etc etc .. Im sure it must be higher in the UK...If something doesnt happen soon the EU will bankrupt us or is that the plan ??
Pickles is exactly like those idiot teenagers who announce a party on Facebook while their parents are away. Huge numbers turn up (complete with disorder and law-breaking), and they express surprise. Is this really the best our idiot politicians can do? Ten months to ensure controls are in place (remember, we never signed the Schengen Treaty). If/when our politicians fail to stem this latest flood, never, EVER vote for any of them again.
Dear "saviour,crawley, You are right,it is not too late,but they want us to think so.The more people wake up,the less chance there is of this mass influx happening.The reason that I said this is a Marxist plan,was because I saw a film on You Tube called "In the shadow of Hermes" by the former Soviet Lithuanian dissident Juri Lina.Who was behind the Soviet Union,Marxism,and what there plans really were(not a fair society for all)and how they went about wiping out millions of there former supporters,because their propaganda to unite people was a big lie.Everybody had to be "Soviet" not Russian,Ukranian,Georgian,etc.Resistance meant Siberia or ..Death or both.The same people(Bankers) who were behind the Russian Revolution,are behind the EUSSR.These people who are planning to come here will be very happy to return to a "socialistic" kind of structure, because that's what they were used to and are nostalgic for.That's why they are coming here.To take your place! Vote UIKIP!
Don't worry!.. you Brits should just come to Aust (like you are) in droves!- egg1976 , brisbane, 15/1/2013 00:30 ------ Yes, but when we do, we come with money to support ourselves, we don't outplace you guys! We need your controls in place here! ; )
Look in the mirror , and say - I am one of those people that will destroy the country I love , because I couldn't be bothered to vote for anyone but - Lib /Lab / Con . And if you are already on low wages - expect them to go even lower - due to EU loving Ed saying that these people are welcome and he will never give you an In / Out vote .
There is a PETITION set up by The Express - you can find it express.co.uk/web/europecrusade .... "I call on the Government to arrange for an orderly withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the EU either by means of an enabling referendum or directly so that the British people are once again placed in charge of their own political destiny." It has a whole page of facts and figures, along with the fact that under Brussels rules, agreed to by Labour AFTER it had lost the election we are liable to help bail out economies wrecked by the single currency (despite not being in it ourselves). PLEASE GO TO THE WEBSITE AND SIGN THE PETITION TO GET OUR COUNTRY BACK AND RE-POST THE LINK IN ALL YOUR POSTS ON ANY SITES, TWEETS OR FACEBOOK
PLEASE PEOPLE VOTE UKIP. It is our ONLY chance.- Kathy , Liverpool, 15/1/2013 01:39 -------- KATHY, I totally agree with you, but to wait until the next election (Europe 2014) and then General in 2015 to vote, will be leaving it too late, these people are due to arrive at the end of next year. SO PLEASE..... GO TO THE UKIP SITE, JOIN UP, READ WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON WITH THE EU, EDUCATE YOURSELVES, WATCH FARAGE ON YOU TUBE (you will feel a real element of long awaited joy that someone is standing up to them, I promise) AND SPEAK TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO EDUCATE THEM TOO. Email UKIP directly if you have any questions, they are great and undeniably passionate)! I have also been looking at other news media sites - and they are all the same, the country seems to be going mad about the EU, all wanting our referendum).. BUT PLEASE DO SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST VENT YOUR ANGER ON HERE!!!
Well whatever the figure turns out to be I'd multiply it by around 140, because they predicted only 14,000 Poles would come to the UK and it ended up being around 2,000,000!
"Don't worry!.. you Brits should just come to Aust (like you are) in droves! - egg1976 , brisbane, 15/1/2013 00:30" ________________Perhaps our forefathers new what was in store for us when they opened up Australia for you ;-)
PLEASE PEOPLE VOTE UKIP. It is our ONLY chance.
I THINK PICKLES IS SCARED THAT THAY MIGHT TAKE HIS FOOD
My guess , it will be close to 30 million !!
Jeremy Paxman's Newsnight were filming over in Rumania lastr week... They ALL seemed pretty ready to come to England.. Some had tried Spain last year but left when EU starvation hit them. There are no jobs in Europe so I guess that all 31 million will want to come here.. It will be a good lesson to all those who voted for the LibLabCon. Nobody can say that UKIP didn't warn them before the election..
Who do I vote for next time? Its a real problem,Ive joined UKIP,first time in my life Ive joined a political party in my 32yr voting life. If I have a candidate next time they wont get in its staunch Tory here so Ive wasted my vote but there is no-one else. If theres no candidate then I cant vote Labour after the last mess but Tory arnt listening to the people in the slightest just pretending to and doing what they want. My MP,a Tory is useless he just tows the party line to further his career(and apparently gets drunk with loose women in his westminister flat). So not Labour,not Tory and there isnt a UKIP candidate here. Whatever I do I wont end up with someone whos looking after my life but trying to forward his own. Kinda screwed really. - bobinky, Leicester, 14/1/2013 19:36 If you have already joined UKIP why don't you stand as a candidate in your area if as you say they haven't got one.
Don't worry!.. you Brits should just come to Aust (like you are) in droves!
That is because they dared't the clamour to get out of the E.U would upset Cameron and CLEGG but get out we absolutely must
I see people moaning and saying they will vote UKIP but how many of you will stand and make a difference? UKIP will be looking for good candidates. If you want your country restored and protected, stand as a member of parliament. Chances are all you the candidates will be well fed middle class prolls from the south east. Stand and play the local angle. Get out there are doing something.
Building more houses in our countryside for all this! Why do we need them here.??? There are enough people in the UK .Britain - always a good host but a poor mother!! This influx of even MORE people has to stop now. PS - I wouldn't want to be a swan when this next lot arrive!
As many as can scrape the bus fare together therefore half the countries population that have at least one good leg to get here on. Who wouldn't sell their shoes to get a free house, money on tap weekly, free medical and schooling. Goodness, if any of us hard working UK citizens were offered a free ride, no questions asked, after being conned all our lives for being honest, we'd jump at the chance now. So, like they said a few year ago only a few thousand Polish would desend on our shores but reality was well beyond that estimate, we're not stupid enough to think things won't be any different. At least for the Polish I know, the majority at least want to work and better their lives here.
Not to give out pie in the sky figures is perfectly reasonable. Let's stick to facts, which can sometimes speak for themselves. One thing for sure is that the EU will not stop growing and other nationalities will soon follow along too. Mr Pickles ought to be announcing a huge, new social housing plan. Already in London British Subjects do not get a look in and haven't for many years now. Before much longer we will not get a look in at all. Mr Pickles is a good man, but there is no excuse for him to sit on his hands.
I can tell you how many are coming! Too Bl##dy MANY!!!
I think most of us agree - this country has changed almost beyond recognition within the last 10 years and if we let this continue, it will be unrecognisable as the UK - and to be honest, I'm scared. How's that for a legacy to leave your kids & grand-kids?! And all because people were scared to vote for someone different at the ballot box. In 10 yrs time, a ballot box will be extinct. If we don't get our referendum, the ONLY way we can stop this is to the streets, we have to save our once great country and VOTE UKIP - Nigel Farage is the only one fighting for us.
bobinky leicester 14/01/2013. 19.36 stand yourself thats the only answer. As Kitchener said 'YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU'.
The more they let in the more they have here to vote NO in a referendum re in/out the EU, we need a referendum now, but sadly I fear all we will get are more scroungers, pickpockets and benefit claiments. The polish already here can build more prisons to house some of them.....
I have just spent half an hour reading many of the comments posted on this article and I have noticed how the tone of the comments has changed over the past few weeks alone. The British people have had enough, their comments and thoughts are filled with deep anger about the way they are being treated in their own country and their views not heard by their own so called government. If Cameron and his government don't start listening to the British people there will be civil unrest across the nation, just as the most rated comment and others on here today have predicted. Mr Cameron, it is time to get your nose out from the backsides of your EU lovers and take note of what THE PEOPLE are saying. WE WANT A REFERENDUM AND WE WANT IT NOW.
I had a dream as well, then I woke up and the nightmare carries on. Vote UKIP.
more like 15 to 20 million. Why wouldn't they, nothing over there for them. We are gonna be totally swamped
They wont tell us how many people are due to head this way for fear of civil unrest but thats coming anyway sooner then they think
Simple...leave EU
Well I'm thinking that Dave is going to give us a referendum after Friday's speech and we'll be out of the EU so none of them will be able to come here. Ooops so sorry I was dreaming....again!
I did add a correction to Budapest as but it seems not to have been included. Zagreb was the previous contract. Soory. Now maybe THIS will be added??
If any of our politicians from the past decade or two had been in power in 1939 ..... we'd all be speaking German now.
I feel sorry for london..
Should have said BUDAPEST__Zagreb was the previous contract...Well it is getting late!
Second attempt. My Son-in-Law has just returned from Zagreb. He was informed by all the single people he met and all the young families that it is their intention to head this way asap. Who can blame them when the qualified engineers in the company he was attached to have not been paid for two months and only earn the equivalent of £300 per month when they ARE paid? It seems we have yet another of our EU fellow members who, like Greece, have entered the Union on false accounting!!.
That is why they want to dig up our countryside. The numbers coming must be enormous if they daren't tell us.
The English working class youth have had their future redistributed by the EU. Once again the weakest & most vulnerable have to pay & suffer.
One has to ask why UKIP are not being politically aggressive on this matter
Stampede seems an adequate description - the figures will be impossible to count as the rush-past will just become a blur!!!
isnt it about time we started to demonstrate en mass about this. these clowns know it is unacceptable for this to happen to any country, but just ignore it. if they wont do anything the we MUST.write to your mp, the party leaders, tell them what you believe, tell them they will not get your vote if they dont put a stop to it, otherwise dont blame them blame yourselves
"It's none of your business, Plebs! All we want from you is your money to pay for them, you don't get a say in whether they come here or not. Don't forget your place!"
Shut the gates and keep them locked.
Do they know about contraception?
Dave make the right choice , or you will be in the wilderness with the Libs . Its now time to do the job you was elected to do , its man or mouse time .
The numbers will be in the millions, that's why they're not going to go public with it. 3-4 million in the first 3 years is a good guess.
I suppose we will have to build over our green and pleasant land to house them all for free. OUT of the EU NOW.
So the estimate is 400,000? Well that means at least 4 million will turn up.
They come here because the government want them to!
Mold problems, Oh dear. Cup of tea anyone?
Dear Mr Pickles, Your mum.
When they come here & see what a mess New Labour made of this country, they`ll soon turn back & run.
SO only 28 million can come here. Well that's a relief !
Its a carefully thought out plot . If you saw the documentary on the Plague in the middle ages less people meant workers could bargain for better wages and conditions.The Rich lost a lot of their power over those who had essentially been slaves. Now the rich arrange for the country to be flooded with those who will work for nothing & will live and work in poor conditions. Because there are fewer jobs we cant strike or move to another employer. & with so many people in such a small space we could not possibly "live of the land". We rely on those at the top to allow us food and jobs if we are lucky, , there is no other option. No wonder they keep telling us we must breed to pay for pensions etc , even though that is a never ending cycle that logically can not work.
NIGEL! Your country needs you - NOW!
Pickles is not A TYPICAL TORY He is a TYPICAL IDIOT.
When are we ever going to have a government in this country that ACTUALLY listens to the people they are supposed to represent.
Lamp post near you soon......
It's time to stop blogging and start burning public buildings and the over paid treasonous public officials inside them.
It's time to stop blogging and start burning public buildings and the over paid treasonous public official inside them.
It`s like Labour`s figure for the Polish coming here I expect! What was it? Ten thousand? How many actually turned up? Over a million? Funny thing! I`ve just joined UKIP!
Aw, I just love Eric! I want to give him a big cuddle.
WE CANNOT AFFORD IT!!!!! This is why the Government are stopping Child allowance and taking our winter fuel bills away, Not for us, but to pay for what is about to happen Can any one save us from going bust!
So it has to be scarily gigantic then - just like all the other past influxes.
For goodness sake just show some backbone and either block them or put a cap on the number. Just how many of these people will settle in Germany, France, Italy? I do not think any will be allowed.
They had better hurry up and get there passports ready before the poles take up all the new social housing that is being built in Devonport .
Who do I vote for next time? Its a real problem,Ive joined UKIP,first time in my life Ive joined a political party in my 32yr voting life. If I have a candidate next time they wont get in its staunch Tory here so Ive wasted my vote but there is no-one else. If theres no candidate then I cant vote Labour after the last mess but Tory arnt listening to the people in the slightest just pretending to and doing what they want. My MP,a Tory is useless he just tows the party line to further his career(and apparently gets drunk with loose women in his westminister flat). So not Labour,not Tory and there isnt a UKIP candidate here. Whatever I do I wont end up with someone whos looking after my life but trying to forward his own. Kinda screwed really.
What ever the figure is it will be wrong, they always are. It started with the 1948 British Nationality Act which gave every person in the Common Wealth the right to reside in the mother nation. Given that we boasted that we ruled over a quarter of the worlds population this was a massive fail. Rather than admit to this we were told that it was good for the nation; same old spiel.
I have an estimate too: 1 million minimum
There's 28 million of them. Count on most of them arriving here with their hands out for freebies. Makes you so proud to be British, doesn't it? Work hard, contribute to the system and then stand back and watch the government hand it over to ex-Communists who wouldn't know an honest day's work if it jumped up and bit them. I hate what these traitors are doing to our country....UKIP is the last hope.
> 0 = To many.!
They know hundreds of thousands will come, but will do absolutely nothing to stop it. How many hundres of millions in benefits will it cost, how many houses will they move in to, free of charge? This country is a laughing stock.
For Teresa, Cape Town:......and you have Sumba, who spent £17 million of our £19 million aid package on a house complex for his family.
There is only one word to describe this government and the last lot, Traitors the lot of them, and methinks it is time for a revolution, one where dismiss the government for acting against this countries intrests, and puting UKIP in power..!!!!!
About 12,000 a year isn`t it...................that`s the lie what Blunkett told us before Nu-Liebour let in 3 to 4 million.
When he gives his speach on friday . This is a point that MUST be addressed .
- chassa 1 , essex, 14/1/2013 17:59====With a bit of luck some of them will be teachers of English - you certainly need some help with yours!
The Nasty Party have destroyed our once great country,vote UKIP the people's party and end this madness
These people are coming here to replace us! It is a plan! A Marxist strategy. - peterappleby21 , Amsterdam, 14/1/2013 16:30 ............................................................................. not too late to do anything , they aren't here yet ,this plan like every other plan by the failed EU can be reversed , all that is needed is a vote of NO CONFIDENCE in the present government ,they can be dismissed as not acting in the countries best interest . Now your comment is correct they are aiming to change the national identity and face of what was known as GB to achieve their own aims of staying in the EU , eventually parliament will be abolished and everything will be handled by the renamed NWO in Germany ,the army,the laws ,everything, this country will be yet again renamed ,i can't go any further because of "certain" issues concerning "certain" elements of the society. but im sure you know who i mean.
Yes, I saw the interview and laughed and laughed!!! The people who run this country of ours should be locked up, and while we're at it, the last lot too!
DOES IT MEAN PRICES ACROSS THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO INCREASE AND OUR PENSIONS CUT TO GIVE ALL THESE SCROUNGING IMMAGRANTS HOUSES AND BENIFITS THAT THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TOO, OR MAYBE OUR HARD WORKING MP'S GOING TO TAKE A CUT IN WAGES OR EVEN GIVE UP A FEW OF THERE PERKS OR EVEN STOP ALL THERE FIDDLING ON EXSPENCES. ANSWERS PLEASE BECAUSE I CANNOT MAKE UP MY MIND WHICH IT WILL BE.
Please resign Dave and take your Eton cronies with you. The country is looking in desperation for a competent leader who will put its own citizens before the rest of the world.
This is the guy who claimed that he needs special treatment by taxpayers because he has to have a second taxpayer funded home near to the House of Commons cos he has to get to work in the morning - not a bit like the THOUSANDS of people who under sheer hell getting into London, to their jobs from points as far away as Swansea and Hartlepool. Why can they not also have taxpayer funded second homes in London. AT LEAST THEY ARE PAYING TAX, I BET MR PICKLES PAID A LOT LESS TAX THAT HIS TAXPAYER FUNDED HOUSEHOLD CLEANER DID LAST YEAR?
I don't get it. During the last Parliament there were countless DM readers going on about voting UKIP, but it all melted away when the actual general election happened and they did not even get one MP. So what I am seeing here is nothing more than hot air from readers that don't put their votes where their mouths are. The country is already trashed anyway thanks to the Liberal elite that now dominate all main parties.
Thanks to the wonderful EU they may well have the right to come over here but is it not about time we put some restrictions on place i.e. they should hae a job in situ? they should have somewhere to live? they should even perhaps have private medical insurance? It's not the fact they will be coming over here, its the fact they will come over here and drain our benefits system, NHS, Schools, Doctors, Dentists...... etc. etc. etc!
Stop what our servants are doing to us now----this is dictatorship get out of it now you lot, and come on you Brits lets give UKIP a fair chance.
I blame the IDIOTS! who keep voting for Conservatives/Labour/Lib-Dems.
Oh, boy, you guys are in SO much trouble. But you're a democracy, right? Your policies are the result of governments that YOU voted in. - Teresa , Cape Town, 14/1/2013 16:12 But they don't have any discernible policies; and even if they did, they would change them at whim anyway. The governments work for themselves, and not the people.
Oh, boy, you guys are in SO much trouble. But you're a democracy, right? Your policies are the result of governments that YOU voted in. - Teresa , Cape Town, 14/1/2013 16:12>>>That is very true, we took the word of a politician. there is a saying fooled once shame on those who did the fooling, fooled twice shame on you. has anybody else noticed the difference between shame and sham. There is only e difference however sham means that something which is different from what it appears to be. That is also the definition of CMD Camoron. he is different from the truth telling politician who he purports to be.
These people are coming here to replace us! It is a plan! A Marxist strategy.
More brilliant publicity for UKIP!
I blame the IDIOTS! who keep voting Conservatives/Labour/Lib-Dems.
Oh, boy, you guys are in SO much trouble. But you're a democracy, right? Your policies are the result of governments that YOU voted in.
Beyond belief that ,either Cameron really does not "get it"OR pretends he does not.
It's not the actual number that is the problem, it's WHY they come here?--If our Government were to adhere to the SAME conditions as the rest of the EU, then they would be spread out in the EU? But no, as usual, the British has to go by the word to word meaning of the EU constitution? And obey all the rules of such? Maybe, the media should tell us and our politicians what the other countries requirements are in respect of Housing, benefits etc.
Whoever is responsible for this dying of Great Britain should be hung drawn and quartered.There is going to be a whole lot of trouble on our beloved green and pleasant land.Time to follow the French and take pride.
Marvellous when outsiders can see just what a mess this government is making of this country, CAMERON and PICKLES won't give us an estimare because they know only too well how many will be coming here but they are scared to tell us because they know it will certainly cause a riot. Instead of not giving us an estimate why not shut the gates and keep them out, stuff the EU and their permission for EU subjects to move as and where they want, our country is too overvrowded now without any more coming. The EU are taking our money and supposedly giving it to these less well off countries for support not for us to give money and for their people to come here and be kept here also. on our benefits system.
So you don,t want them, then stop all benefits immediately, make the system no more attractive than in other euro countries, then they would not come. At the same time it would save an enormous amount of money and help the ailing economy, it would also make the workshy element more prone to look for work if it was impossible to manage on hand outs from the government, its gone on to long and its one reason I don,t want to live in the UK anymore. Now then bring on the red arrows, but its the decent people who will suffer as usual in the UK. Also if its possible send my income tax back to me and you can keep your godammed winter fuel allowance.
Time for a second Peasants' Revolt (or should that be Plebians?).
I remember when Labour promised us that less than 15,000 Poles would move to this country and it turned out to be one and a half million! This is going to end in civil war!
You guys are so F....d. I don't like my government but yours is just off the charts.
Dave - the public in this so-called democracy do not want these people here, so DO SOMETHING!
I read a report there is 3 - 4 million wanting to come to the u.k but i think that is rather conservative!
is this ever going to stop?
Looks like UKIP will be surging again in the opinion polls...
This is truly frightening. I think seven figures is much more likely. So we need to build on millions of acres of countryside? Yes Minister that is clearly the only option. If the real solution is not instantly obvious to you then you are even more stupid than you look, sir. We are being RAPED. This is a crime! A crime against the Millions of hard working Britons out there that are just trying to get by. A Crime against the Millions of lives sacrificed over the last Century, to the cause of preserving our freedom and right to Govern our own country. This is truly tragic and will be the final nail in the coffin for Great Britain. It is talked about the world over, the fall of the once great nation of Great Britain. Well guess what, it hasn't finished yet.
If you build it- they will come. Well, we've built it, the Welfare State, that is, so they will come - in their hundreds of thousands- to get what WE have paid for!
This is a disgrace, why can't Cam and co listen to the British people, he seems to think we all love the joy of being in the EU..well we dont we all want OUT , are you deaf Cameron ? We cannot let 29 million in this small island. Vote UKIP.
Sorry They have no idea,but whatever it is you can be sure it will be vastly UNDERestimated.I will vote for whoever makes it illegal for them to come here,EU rules or not.We do NOT want a repetition of Blair's 'guesstimate ' about how many Poles would come here
I was listening to my local radio programme which threw out the question of "Immigration is it the biggest source of tension in Britain" in a phome in. THERE WAS A GUEST SPEAKER WHO WAS INVITED TO GIVE HIS OPINION. He was badgered by the presenter who wanted to have his views put over and not those of the guest. The presenter even threatened the guest with being cut off. The guest prevailed and was allowed to answer the question put to him. PETER HITCHENS was more than a match for the presenter but anyone else phoning in would not have come off so lightly. With the BBC so bigoted and racist against it's own people, what chance have we got?
There is no political advantage to be gained by releasing estimated figures. The last EU expansion saw the last 'shower' in Government release figures suggesting that we would all be 'swamped' with Polish immigrants which turned out to be not only totally false, but, as it turned out, those who did arrive soon found gainful employment with employers who praised their 'work ethic'. The only figures the government would not release are those of British Citizens who have availed themselves of the freedom of movement within the EU who have become thoroughly sick to death of this country and have moved to former Eastern European Countries and have made a small fortune in areas such as IT in places such as Lithuania. Not the sort of stories the Press are interested in though is it?!.
Whatever the figure is, you can bet it will be a gross underestimate - just like the couple of thousand Poles that were going to come here. Try telling that to Peterborough and all other cities over that way.
It will lead to massive civil unrest - haven't they learnt anything from the mass uncontrolled immigration free for all we have all witnessed these last few years. What benefits will the Bulgarian and Romanian mass immigration bring to the UK. Are these people highly skilled in occupations we desperately need? Or will ( like here) we just see an influx of Romanian big issue sellers, car washers, taxi drivers and beggars.
why is this such a big deal ? we are all europeans, with free movement, let them in, stop this blatant racism. - Kev57, Reading, 13/1/2013 17:32 So should we send them all to your house to live then? You can't say no even if you do not have the space or means to support them as under your own judgement you would be classed a rascist would you not?
Civil war is in the pipeline Delusional Dave....and when it comes there will be no hiding places - even abroad. The British people will not forgive this betrayal and it is inevitable extremists will gain platforms. Have we learned so little from the precursors to WW2 ? UKIP the only sane alternative.
The trouble is even if we all vote UKIP in 2015, all these Romanians and Bulgarians will already be here , and wont be going nowhere, the same with all the rest from the EU. I think Dave Cam should start packing now, because there is no way he will be back in NO 10 in 2015. VOTE UKIP .
Coming to your town soon.........an accordian player outside each shop, beggars, thieves, robbers muggers by the ton. Racist ? Maybe. Factual ?....yes.
How can they allow anybody else into this country when there aren't enough jobs for the people already living here! Whether they have a right to travel here or not, they have got to be stopped.
I feel that the revolution is getting nearer! People can only take so much before they snap.
The interview with Mr Pickles was an insult to our intelligence .No answers , just the same old exscuse for every question. Why does Andrew Neill bother with these people ? I know the programme is called Sunday Politics , but,do me a favour,and bring on someone that speaks the truth..As for the problem with accomadation for the Rumanien and Bulgarien "immigrants" , a lot has to be built , most important ,however, will be a couple of Prisons. Just check out the Prison population in most European countries.
This will be the final straw for EUROPEAN membership, ukip here I come Pl
You can see how the govt is preparing for it, they are going to build super jails. We are just a penal colony for europe's criminals. It looks like we will have to protect ourselves because it's obvious the law won't be able to, it does'nt now.
They DON'T HAVE A CLUE - NO IDEA. The poor hard-working decent people of the UK are well and truly being BLED DRY. There are MILLIONS of Bulga/Roamins planning to come to the UK; MILLLIONS who will need HOUSING, will need SCHOOL PLACES, will need to use our INTERNATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE. All of us who voted for the present and previous load of Traitors have allowed this to happen. The Only Way is UKIP. We have to get back CONTROL of our borders; control of those who are in the UK; and return to FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY. Return to what our parents and grand-parents fought two World Wars for - FREEDOM. For the sakes of our children and grand-children we CANNOT let this destruction of our country continue. BE BRAVE - be optimistic - and join, support and VOTE UKIP. It is OUR FUTURE at stake.......
I need to be sure about the figures before I make a pubic pronouncement,' Mr Pickles was quoted as saying by the Telegraph. The thought of Mr P making a pubic pronouncement has put me off my lunch.
Here's an idea: Australia has a big land mass & a small population. So why not ask them to take in all Real British people (including the Crown; Armed forces etc) ; then we could give Independence to Scotland & Wales. We could then leave England open and see how long it takes the migrants to turn this once Great land into little Zimbabwe. We wouldn't then care - as we settle into New Great Britain (the latest state within Aussie).
Cameron and his ilk need cheap labour and this is the way . The chattering classes won't mind when the Romanian plumber fixes their combi boiler on Easter Monday for 58 pence . You reap what you sow and you Brits revelled in the cheapness of everything in the last 15 years , from your inflated house prices to your call center mortages , nothing was of real value and you suckers lapped it up like council estate boys in an Amsterdam knocking shop . You're doomed , enjoy the ride it's a long way down !
This is great news. Welcome to Britain!
Not sure why anyone would want to come here. Welfare payments are less easy to get, and they have been severely cut for all needy people who are residents of the UK. Jobs are non-existant, and elderly folk are threatened with lower pensions and expensive care packages. There will probably be lots of room, because huge numbers of youngsters with good degrees and no job prospects, are seriously considering leaving Britain, and finding a future overseas. This is the sad result of the Coalition's 'bull in a china shop' stampede to throw the baby out with the bath water. I do not recognise the country which I have lived in for eighty years since this government came into power. I assure this is not meant as a compliment! Pat.
Ban their caravans.
How about charging them a huge entrance fee ? if they're that desperate then they'll pay up.
OUT NOW!!!
Whatever the figure the goverment has, you can double and multiply four times, they will come in the millions, the first to arrive will phone back home telling how ,by just turning up in britain you are given a place to live,heating lighting food clothing and spending money,they will initally think that these accounts are wildly exaggerated who would be that stupid they will say,the land of milk and honey is not a biblical myth it is now in this land.
Ban all EU nationals OUTSIDE the UK from ALL benefits, NO free homes, no welfare, no hospital care etc. Then see how many come. I bet only a few will come if they needed TRAVEL health insurance & if they had to FULLY support themselves! Sadly next year we are likely to see at least 2 MILLION MORE people flood into the UK fleece our welfare & NHS & get free homes etc, while the UK taxpayers to pay this money are screwed! I am looking to go to New Zealand where they want skilled people who can SPEAK ENGLISH & new Zealand does NOT allow floods of immigrants to fleece their welfare system
Lets bring in a few more people who have paid nothing into the system and of course with human rights will get everything but if you have paid in all your working life you get the bare minimum.
this is more than likely the reason the government is manipulating(undirect dictate) through common purpose tactics the single people to leave their 2 bed rented accommodation? the government will need them for the huge influx of foreigners. its a counter reformation of britain by stealth! by you know who? those who have tried for the last 400 years to reform britain!
Cameron and Co don't want you to know it's perfectly legal to stop this.They could state that the numbers expected are so high it would constitute a national crisis.The doors shut not in the national interest he would tell the EU if he had the balls.
There may be trouble ahead....
Don't know, Don't care, and powerless to do anthing about it.
The propaganda from Labour about immigration from Poland was 14,000 expected (several hundred thousand actually came), so whatever it will be for Bulgaria and Romania (if Cameron/Pickles ever tell us) we can safely add a couple of noughts to the end of that.
The Coalitian Government have no common sense, why do we not have a Government post: Head of Common Sense - a person who can really think from the point of view of the people of this Country. Dave, I'm free, I may be a 50 something Mum from a secondary modern on a rough ol' council estate but I have common sense a plenty and can tell you now, this idea is a wrong'un. Somebody else said lets riot, whilst I do not agree with that it could be coming, Dave, look around you, there is an awful lot of people who are unhappy, and being pushed closer to the edge. Last time was theyoung on the riot, next time it could be worse and I do not think the ever deminishing thin blue line will be able to cope!! Have the newly elected Police Commissioners got a contingency plan for full scale riot when we sometimes just have a dozen bobbies on duty on a Friday night? If it does kick off it will be at night. Dave, Nick, no common sense!! Work it out. Have a chat with somebody with somebody, please
Yet again we are 'hoovereing' up the dross of Europe.Surely bring our troops from Afghanistan and station them at EVERY point of entry to MY country.These soldiers of ours KNOW how to deal with this menace.
I think we should get rid of work shy Brits and keep the eastern europeans, they have a far better work ethic and would be much more beneficial to our economy.
Simply has to be stopped. The figure will be in the millions - we already know that from when Poland joined (and Bliar said about 13000 were expected!). This is a disaster and may well prove a step too far for the people of this country (or at least those that remember how it used to be).
How much more are we going to concrete over, before we have finished?
Simple - shut the boarders.....want to come to the U.K. then apply through a means test similar to that of Australia and Canada (for example) - not rocket science is it?
We know that you don't know, we also know that you deliberately haven't bothered to find out, we also know that if you did know you wouldn't tell us anyway, the electorate are just mushrooms for politicians to pile you know what on.
So what are they bringing to the table ? - me here , London, 14/1/2013 12:29 I have the answer, nothing. Nothing except crime, disease & scrounging.
Don't worry, they'll all leave when the country needs building up again.
British people are known for being calm and reasonable - what is happening in their country is beyond reason and in the not too distant future there is going to be trouble - it will be while the Brits are a majority as this is changing fast !
the easyist solution is to stipulate NO benefits NO housing it is not upto britain to help these people we need to help our own people, the influx will be overwhelming our services are at bursting point now,what cant the idiot politicos not see this
May as well throw in the towel now. We have about as much say as a North Korean
how many will come ? simple, most of the ones who arent here already
oh anyones welcome here. we are the skip of the world!!
Conservative voters have already got the message they are flocking to UKIP in their droves. It is the Labour voters that you have to convince. If you want change you must vote for change - do not vote for Lib/Lab/Con. Change is required, change your voting habits and give UKIP a chance.
Why can't we stop them? We have no accommodation for them, there are no jobs for them, and we can't afford to support them. There is no way they should be allowed to come here, in addition, a large number of those already here should be sent back. Another vote for UKIP.
Great! More people to tell to FO when they ask me for money.
I would estimate ... 28 million.
That's frightening me! How about you?
So what are they bringing to the table ?
kick them all out assoon as they come here we do not want them and we want out the pathetic eu the UK is great keep it that way
The previous predictions were a con by the lying Labour goverment. Do what is right for OUR COUNTRY. Extend the restrictians.
The idea is this - mix up the nationalities so we all become one big globulous Euro community and that will put an end to the idea of nationhood.- Riff , London, 14/1/2013 11:41>>>>>I think you are absolutely 100% correct....and when an uprising does come these people will have no loyal commitment or support for the UK at all.
Mr Pickles there is no confusion just don't allow it!! simples
A million more reasons to quit the EU
There are nearly 3000 comments on this subject in the Telegraph online. I think Cameron should read the comments in the media and realise just how much the people of this country really think of him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Another reason why we need a referendum NOW...
Close the borders now, we are full.
Stupidity, plain stupidity. We can't cope with what we have now, yet we're going to let more in? The mind boggles at the stupidity of it.
Even more ATM's being robbed then I take it! No houses for our people, but we'll find £500,000 houses for not uk folk. DC you should be ashamed.
The writing is on the wall...........in a not too distant future there will be war, revolt and an uprising on a scale never seen before......oh, and I wonder where the politicians and royals will be found then? Tick tock......tick tock........tick, tick tock...................BANG!
Funny how when the British National Party say such things they are vilified from all sections of the media, but it's perfectly all right when repeated by politicians who up to a year ago wouldn't touch this subject with a barge pole. Hypocrites
For God's sake when are the British people going to rise up and say enough ! take to the streets like people do in other Countries, don't let them do this to us it's got to stop it can't go on they are destroying this Country and we are standing by and letting them.
And of course each one will be entitled to vote once they are registered on the electoral roll, which will mean NO chance of escaping the EU..... EVER!!
I think that we should not worry about it they will just flood in take our jobs and houses and if the social dont give it to them they will steal the then return home with the swag just as the boxing ref says defend youself at all times!
Some how this type of nonsense has to stop!! We have no room for them, We certainly do not need them, We do not have sufficient work for our work force now, 800 jobs just gone in Swindon, 2000 from Jessops also means that we we can ill afford them. So come on British government stop them Now
Well, if it is going to cause problems in the UK and other European countries do something about it!!!
This will affect middle class politicians not a jot. It is the working class though who will be expected to live side by side with these people, and who will have to contend with the crime, rising housing costs and competition for manual jobs. I'm giving up on the Conservatives, if it has to get worse before it gets better, so be it.
Philip Hollobone is my MP and he is a good one. He is right to be fearful as Kettering is one of the towns noticing an influx of Poles etc. over the last few years. Where will all these people go? What about schools and hospitals and other services? It is complete madness and something should be done by this spineless government before Jan 2014 before they all start arriving here.
It's dead easy - don't give them a house and no hand outs!
They will probably just leave someone to switch off the lights - be prepared and assume 29m from one and 10m from the other.
Vote UKIP to get rid of this lot and the rest
The idea is this - mix up the nationalities so we all become one big globulous Euro community and that will put an end to the idea of nationhood.
I can't have any respect for a Politician who has so little self control over what he eats...
If the Conservatives permit this influx they are dead in the water at the next election. Stop this now . It will be detrimental to the country in every sense. Economic migration is destroying the framework of our society. UKIP will gain substantial support if this is allowed to happen. If we did not give benefits and free housing to all and sundry this would not happen. Wake up Britain.
Do not make this to happen start building your resources now you stupid goverment do not let the horse to bolt close the gate before it does stupid fools the GOVERMENT.
we are a minoroity in our own country as it is..CLOSE OUR BORDERS NOW...
Probably it will be measured in millions, what dumb fools we are represented by in our so called democracy.Cameron should tell the EU that we are not open anymore to another massive influx.That should set the ball rollling in his so called renegotiation of our terms of membership. Remember when the start gun was fired for the last wave Labour estimated ten thousand but it resulted in millions with whole cities being emptied in Poland. Your children and grand children are the real ones at risk and nobody in government appears to care a damm.
Why does Britain let everyone in?? - Karen, Oklahoma, USA, 13/1/2013 18:23 BECAUSE WE HAVE A QUISLING GOVERNMENT, WHO BOW TO EVERY DEMAND MADE BY THEIR LORDS AND MASTERS IN THE EU. ANY NUMBER CAN COME INTO THIS COUNTRY FROM EUROPEAN STATES, LIVE,WORK [ or claim the dole] AND CLAIM SICK BENEFIT, PENSIONS THAT WE HAVE WORKED A LIFETIME TO PAY FOR THIS BENEFIT. gizzie soton
Another flood for the benefits system to maintain (YOU the taxpayer). Many public services are collapsing now due to the strain of too many people. How difficult would it be to just say no.
I've just been on the epetitions site and only 52 people have signed in the last hour. Lots of whinging and no action - sign the petition people and get this debated in Parliment before it's too late!
In a best case scenario you can triple any number they do put out, personally I think there will be over a million of them arriving, not 300'000. This is going to destroy the country.
We'll need to build more prisons for the influx of crime this will undoubtedly produce.
It will not just put a strain on the housing market. It will place an unacceptable strain upon and damage the NHS, our Council provided services, Schools ad infinitum. Enough is enough! Out of this monstrosity driven by Communist zealots!
very well said Sohiel.. the uk is done for last british out..close the door.......................".I despise this government and the previous governments before them....they have robbed our children and grandchildren of any future on this island. Not one of them have a conscience they are all despicable! Sold for a handful of silver!" - Sophiel , Dorchester, 14/1/2013 10:50
How many more can this little island take? isn.t it about time we closed our doors and put the full sign up! Why doens't the UK take a leaf out of Australia'sbook. Enough is enough surely!!
I'm a landlord; YAY!
And Cameron says: 'the beating heart of Britain wants to stay in the EU' ! Yeh, right!!!! Isn't nearly 60 million enough??
We'll need to build more prisons for the influx of crime this will undoubtedly produce.
If Spain can stop them - why can't we ? and if Mr Pickles doesn't know how many - well - plan for 30 million.
can you imagine what the UK will be like in a few years if we don't get out of the EU
There are 11 months left to make certain it doesn't happen. ACT NOW!
If you are British born and bred you are discriminated against by all governing parties in this country, from councils to No 10. UKIP is needed now more than ever to put us back where we belong to a great britain, not an EU britain.
For Gods sake, get a grip and don't let them in..............simple!
Mr Cameron, you are the Prime Minister of Great Britain. Please don't again say your hands are tied and there's nothing you can do, you have 12 months. Stop worrying about upsetting other European leaders, it wont be them paying their benefits.Don't just put your head in the sand like others before you. Now would be a good time to DO something, not 2013 .
Simple answer...don't let them in!
can we make jails big enough to tackle the incoming crime wave ,
"We, the elected government of Gt. Britain, neither understand nor control the effects of our EU membership." - Signed, E. Pickles, Minister.
Another mess we find ourselves in. And there seems no way out of it for the little man in the street. Of course the big bosses will do well as they will be able to pay lower wages due to the ever increasing workforce. With the ever increasing profit margine the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Remember, we are a democracy. We do have a say in this otherwise autocratic country once every fives years. Vote UKIP. Give them a chance. We really dont have anything to lose. We have lost already.
We want none, Zero , Zilch coming to our country and immediately claiming housing health care and benefits!!
The job of the British government is to look after the British people. It is not their job to look after Bulgarians and Roumanians. LEAVE THE EU!
Stop all benefits to incomers until they have been here five years and kick out all those who have made themselves cosy at our expense and don't comply. Then we will have the housing the taxpayers have paid for and enough money to look after pensioners and our own people who have fallen on hard times.
At 65 (or whatever) will these people all receive old age pensions ?
Yes they do know..... They've calculated how many more they need to effect the voting results and Brussels has told them how many more they "must" accept........... What they have NOT calculated is precisely how many more will be required before something finally gives and violence erupts on the streets......... But then, for their beloved Gross Europa, they think the risk is worth it.
Not a cheep from the Tories friends in big business of course - the CBI, the IOD, BCC, etc -- they are all for it.... because it brings in yet another huge pool of cheap labour for them to use, while undercutting/keeping down the wages of the homegrown workforce. And of course, they don't have to pick up the bill for housing, eduction, health (that is down to you and I, the hardpressed taxpayer).
can we make jails big enough to tackle the incoming crime wave ,
I despise this government and the previous governments before them....they have robbed our children and grandchildren of any future on this island. Not one of them have a conscience they are all despicable! Sold for a handful of silver!
"We don't know" - priceless! These people are elected to govern, and they just haven't got a clue. They keep on getting elected though, Tory and Labour - so there must be some truth in the saying that 'you get a government you deserve.'
Eric Pickles is being honest. Blair & Brown as we now know, were liars.
We dont want more houses, we want less people. Extend the exclusion deadline by at least five years.
The answer to the problem is easy "NONE"
Our lousy government has chattered about this for years. It is nearly here now and guess what our useless 'leaders' are doing........yup, more chattering.
And they wonder why UKIP are second only to Labour in the polls?......................what amazes me more than anything is that there are still sheeple out there who are prepared to vote for a discredited, dishonest and treasonous Labour party who got us in this mess in the first place!
so lets get this right a government minister knows it will cause problems but will still allow it to happen. as far as not revealing estimates its all lies ,lies,lies,we have been here before with labour and there estimation of 13,000 poles arriving which they knew was going to be way off these lot are no different,different suits different party same lies,at least we know why they need to churn up the countryside for houses,so what are the people going to do about it,sit back and just take it
Why is it going to cause problems for Social Housing? Does everyone who arrives in this country automatically get housed? Why not just pay for their fares to come here as well. Does every other EU country automatically house incomers from member EU States?
All comes down to being in the EU. We are told to open our borders and we obey. We do get people who want to work but most are the dregs of their countries who are after free housing,benefits and crime opportunities.They will all be entitled to child benefits and no doubt will be claiming for numerous fictional children back home while our benefits are being cut. Being British is now a disadvantage thanks to the EU,BLAIR,CAMERON,CLEGG and MILLIBRAND. UKIP!!!!! is the answer.
There will be millions, and they will all have their hands out. Madness.
EU rules cannot prevent them from coming into Britain. However, any benefits which are paid by the State should be deducted from our contributions to EU funding.
Haven't we got enough problems with unemployment levels, housing shortages, over crowded hospitals & schools, without allowing free entry to possibly millions more people? Sign the government e petition to stop this now.
Funny how when the British National Party say such things they are vilified from all sections of the media, but it's perfectly all right when repeated by politicians who up to a year ago wouldn't touch this subject with a barge pole. Hypocrites.
Roumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet - Captain Zologog , Atlantis, United Kingdom, 14/1/2013 09:37 --> Really? Have you ever actually met any?
We are being pushed to a point when verbal action ceases to be any use and the use of force is the only alternative, this reaction is placed firmly on the shoulders of our government who totally ignore the wishes of the people who elected them.
@captain zologog...Rumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet...:Maybe, in Rumania, but the hoards we will get here will be either on the run from their own justice system or looking to languish in comparitive luxury via our wonderful benef
Roumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet - said one poster. I suspect that your comments are correct - but what the hell has such a fact got to do with our country being overloaded: both financially, socially?
No jobs for the English, no decent reasonably priced housing for low paid English workers but we are letting more in from other countries. Some of the new ones will be of the poorest and uneducated so that means benefits for them. I agree with the ex-pat from Spain, unless you can show that you have either the money to keep yourself for six months or have a skill the UK needs ...then you don't get into the UK. Simple really. What is wrong with us that allow this to happen.....we are the fools.
Can't they just stay in their own country? You don't see Brits buying houses in Europe! Outrage. - Irene Pedder , London, 14/1/2013 09:35 Brits do buy houses in Europe, they just don't get given them. Thats the difference
There is no more room for roomanians,the country is bulging so we dont need any more bulgarians,the country does,nt need or want these people hurry up and vote to get free of this joke called the european community,more like communistly! Come on dodgy Dave get a spine
You all know the answer........Join UKIP and vote for them!
These new arrivals won't to be able to afford houses anyway, and most will shack down in converted garages, sheds and illegal new constructions in the back gardens of friends and relatives who are already here, Britain's new 'shanty towns' which are springing up everywhere. Please don't use this as an excuse to allow your rich mates in the building industry to cover the British countryside with concrete, Mr Pickles. It just won't wash!
Wilfred my boy I can tell you now. They will be arriving in droves. They are packing already to enter the land of Milk and Honey. And benefits of course. Wise up.
Why are you all moaning? Do you possibly think it's going to make a difference? The wheels have been in motion for some time now and this is just the beginning. If you are fortunate enough to be able to emigrate...get on with it or shut up!
Not, if we don't let them in.
The rules in other EU countries require them to have sufficient funds to support themselves for three months while they seek employment. After that if unsuccessful they are expected to leave. (Then they come to Benefits Britain).
Where can all true Brits go to get away from this nightmare ? We want our own island again ,we want to welcome people wo are welcome , not every Tomas , Ricardo and Ari !!
We don't know how many, but however many there are, they should get NO, that's NO financial help from us to stay here. NO council houses, NO benefits, NO work allowance.
I never thought that we would get a more useless government than the last Liebour lot, but Billy Bluster and his friends have proved me totally wrong.
here in spain you have to prove to the authorities that you have an income of approx 6000 euros per annum and full private medical insurance per person to be allowed to stay past 3months, whether you are working or not, got my residence just before christmas cost 11 euros. Why can't Britain do the same so incomers will not be a burden on the state??????
Don't get me started.....just DON'T get me started !
, anyone who loves this country has to vote ukip, they are the only party that can stop this insanity
Defy the EU and don't let anyone from these countries in!
Roumanians are some of the most honest people u could meet
Well they've got 10 months to legislate to stop it happening. Dont let any in!
Can't they just stay in their own country? You don't see Brits buying houses in Europe! Outrage.
All can claim every benefit going no doubt.
You don't want to do that, and live all the uk dirty and all the unwanted jobs unfilled, and no more profits from converting your homes into crowded dorms.....lol
We are now being softened up to accept building on our green belt land and areas of natural beauty just to accommodate these people. We have no jobs for them so under EU rules we have to pay benefits. What is the point of all this? We are already seeing our whole British culture being destroyed. A lot of these problems could be removed by a complete withdrawal from the EU but I am beginning to think that our Politicians are too incompetent or too frightened to step outside their comfort zone. It may give us fresh problems but at least we would have our own identity once more.
Close our borders now - out of EU.
They are not coming for the jobs because there aren't any, no houses either so thats not the reason, they also are not welcome by probably the majority of people, so why are they coming, it cant possibly for the benefits can it?
This is just sheer lunacy!! The housing and infrastructure crisis the country faces has been caused solely by unrestricted immigration and whatever politicians estimate to be the likely immigration figures from Bulgaria and Rumania, just multiply by 100 to arrive at the actual figure. This is what happened under Blair and Brown with earlier forecasts, and the scale of deceit has been breathtaking. The Conservatives are just standing by and letting it happpen without a whimper. Even though Eric Pickles is putting up some sort of token protest the spineless Cameron will do exactly nothing to challenge his EU masters.
With three million people unemployed and a housing shortage we need to be reversing Labours horrific opening of the floogates not making things even worse.
There is no doubt that the EU is very good for some but I have my doubts as to whether there are any benefits for ordinary Britons.
This country has had it everyone pack up we are all off to russia .
Well you could always do what every other EU member seems to do - tell them that they can come BUT you don't get free housing/medical/school/ benefits and of you don't get self sufficient in 3 months then back you go! Why do we feel we have to house and look after EVERYONE!
The government tries to think of ways to take benefits off of the British who really need it, like DLA and childrens centres...so they can hand it back out to the feckless of Europe
What is there to say, except VOTE UKIP? If you vote Conservative, Labour or LIb Dems, anyone in the EU can steal your job or home.
Big problem is the rich Tories and aristocracy are the ones who benefit most from the huge bank of cheap labour. T hats because of the extra low wages they pay, which means the rest of us (the taxpayer) have to subsidise them.
Simple enough...just tell the EU that as we have no properties available for our present population, the UK is putting on another delay on immigration into the UK until we do have enough properties, or is it just a case of our govt not allowed to impose this delay....if so time to have a referendum so the public can have a say, and at the same time giving our spineless leaders a mandate from the people of this nation..... we can't have our govt. giving a few falkland island voters a referendum on their own destiny and refuse the same to millions of voters in the UK.
When is this madness going to end?
VOTE UKIP AND WE CAN STOP IT. I HAD RESPECT FOR PICKLES BUT HE IS ALL WIND AND NO ACTION JUST LIKE THE REST IN POWER -------UKIP UKIP UKIP -------I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK
The ineffectual,useless weakling Cameron OUT !. UKIP IN !
Living next door to some of these people is just hell, it's like living in a slum 50 years ago. Totally dreading it.
Reverse colonisation. Didnt see anyone complaining when the UK was plundering other countries.
Stop I now , while we just about have time . What about pressure on the hospitals , doctors , schools etc ??. And as for the benefits , we must apply the same rules that the rest of the EU does, if you have not paid in , you don't get paid out , it's as simple as that .
This country makes its own problems! They welcome everyone in with open arms, gives them money, a home and health care. Would we get any of that if we moved abroad to any other EU country? NO WAY! Stop giving these people a free ride, that is why they come!
Can i just say that 1 is too many,,, we do not have the Housing , Schools not long ago were axed, hospitals are closing, The Single Common Market was for Trade of Goods not People
It isnt just houses, education NHS will be on their knees. crime especially pickpocketting will spiral. WE NEED A GOVERNMENT THAT WILL GOVERN NOT A SPINELESS SOFTLAD WHO PICKS ON PENSIONERS AND THE DISABLED.
I thought children were already being schooled in makeshift sheds and the homeless were already sleeping under bridges. We have a three bed room terrace, lets invite 10 000 people to the party.
Why should we provide houses for them. If I emigrated to France, Spain, Italy or any other eu country, would they provide me with a house??? I don't think so.
Tell us something we don't know.
We are sitting back and letting this happen...its a social disaster waiting to happen...do something NOW! Were sitting here making comments to the DM when we should be outside Parliament demanding change! We need to "0ccupie" our own country now before its too late - W@ke up W!se up R15e Up....Vote UKIP!
Spain has stopped them going there - so we shoudl do the same - otherwise we are concreting over the countryside to house foreigners - why?
I work full time, claim no benefits at all, pay tax and can't get social housing because theres non available. What have I done wrong for my country to treat me so badly, I just sit and cry sometimes.
Vote ukip
I suspect mr pickles is even more concerned where his next meal is coming from!
Bulgaria is 7 million people. I completely understand how you are feeling but I honestly think the damage has already been done. It is not wise to judge nations and stereotype and pigeon hole humans . We are all Europeans more or less we share the same values . Think when Europe will no longer be calling the shots.
I'd be willing to pay higher taxes to integrate these striving immigrants, in the name of EU solidarity. Its only right that as a richer EU member we do our bit for the poorer ones, just as Germany helps us out with its manufacturing might.
More Romani pickpockets. Oh dear. Well, I say more, but there's probably just as many sneaking in through the net anyway...
Not difficult to work out, complete population of one plus two = three.
No English. No Money. No Home. No Job..............................NO ENTRY.
Well thanks for spending our money on benifits and houseson imegrants. We can't get a house but if I come from EU I will have one build for me great.
Mr Pickles I can tell you, any more than one, his to many, put up the shutters, the place his FULL.
Prepare for flood ! You have no idea what will happen .
Ye God's the next election can't come soon enough. It's UKIP for me to get us our of this EUSSR nightmare that no one ever voted in favour of !
For a start the govenment needs to get rid of the people who are not entitled to live here and should only allow in people who can contribute and are willing intergrate into the British way of life. JD.
The governments estimate will be similar to their Polish estimate. They will no doubt spout forth that " maybe as many as 150 to 160 Romanians will come and about 15 to 20 Bulgarians. That's just our estimate you understand? There should not be any more than that?"
425,000 expected? That should read FOUR MILLION AT LEAST. VOTE UKIP AND END THIS EU MADNESS.
Bulgaria is 7 million. Get your facts right and the damage to your country has already been done. We are not the threat - nether the Romanians are.Negativism and hatred towards whole nations is the path to self-destruction. Have more respect for countries and people you know nothing of ...
Ye God's the next election can't come soon enough. It's UKIP for me to get us our of this EUSSR nightmare that no one ever voted in favour of !
It's more than likely the criminals and con artist spongers will come. They are the only ones who can afford it, the rest of the countries are too poor!
Well Mr Pickles, if you do not know how many, set an acceptable number and limit it to that. Don't worry about too many coming as by 2015 we will be out of the EU and exporting most of these unwelcome benefit tourists back to their wonderful continental home.
I think Eric Pickles does care, but he cannot express a view because it will result in a slap of the wrist from Cameron. So come the 31st December this country will be obliged to allow possibly 100's of thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians to come into this country, with access to housing and state welfare benefits. This is absolute madness and can not be allowed to happen. If Cameron thinks the people of this country will put up with this, he is mistaken.This country must leave the EU before this happens. Vote UKIP.
After watching that interview with Andrew Neil it shows the depth of incompetence or couldn't care less attitude by senior politicians within this government. What an absolute shower he and his sidekick,Nick Boles are.
We are not under any obligation to these people, if they have no job or anywhere to stay when they arrive here, then that is tough, we cannot keep building houses for new arrivals, we have not the space. They will just have to get in the back of the queue and take their chances. We need to show that Britain is not a soft touch and that life can be very tough here.
My response would be.....all of them!, and that's exactly what the Politicians want, nothing happens by accident.
Do something to stop it then. Why do we bother to elect a government in this country?
We will only how many plan to come when it is too late. I truly despair of the overcrowding in this country.
This county is utterly mad.... Who in there right minds would allow this .... We can't house, school or care for those here already !!! Ludicrous!!!!!
Seriously, what's it going to take to stop this?
About 2.5 Million Piko.
This simply can't be allowed to happen - are they crazy? The country is struggling enough without this as well!
Most countries have certain requirements for EU citizens to settle - they must be self supporting, requires certain groups to have health insurance and cannot access benefits- why can't Britain implement these rules?
THIS charade is yet ANOTHER good reason to exit Europe, we can then "grow up" and control our own borders.
Can someone tell me why they are being let in?? If you're not careful Cameron, you will have a country of foreigners because all the British people will emigrate!
Don t build on our beautiful countryside just to house these parasites.... don t let them in
I will tell you then,migrant's will come in droves,who would turn down the chance of a house to be had free health working tax credit,something unheard of when I left school in the sixties,if you wanted more money you had to work overtime in all 48 hours a week I enjoyed going to work and still do,it gives you get up and go.I do not blame them for coming here, if there was a country that did for migrant's what this country does I would go tomorrow.
Truly terrifying
Well just ignore the EU new rules and say no entry. What can they do that could possibly cost us more?
I know how many will come.....1 is too much. UKIP or nothing for me.
What is the point of making comment. Who listens to the man in the street, and more to the point if they did they have their own agenda. & ignore us.
There's no room at the Inn.
Why not have a six month waiting time before non-refugee immigrants can claim?
This is the reason we need a referendum on the EU. Britain does not need thousands possibly millions more immigrants, who have a reputation for crime, that we will be forced to admit because of EU regulations. We have millions unemployed in this country and an economy that is flatlining. We need to bring in restrictions to reduce dramatically the number of immigrants entering the UK from inside and outside the EU. Cameron has totally failed to get control of immigration and that will cost him dearly at the next election
If an estimated 425,000 settle here the actual figure will probably be twice that. While we are struggling to survive our taxes will be supporting these people. And imagine the pressure this will bring on the NHS as people come here for free treatment. It's utter madness. Can't something be done? Cameron said he was going to get tough with the EU so let's see some action.
this is stupidity at its worst.allowing millions of people into this tiny island. are politicians completly brain dead
Eric, you may not know how many Romanians and Bulgarians will come here but us, the British public do........thousands and thousands of them, so get working on stopping them now. Will someone in this Government please get a grip on immigration.......we don't want them here. Just get us out of the EU now......we don't care what the cost is.......just get us out. That's the only thing that will put DC back in No 10.
If we had a cap on immigration then they would know wouldn't they!! Another question which should be asked is WHY are they coming right across Europe to settle and find work in the UK. Could it be that we, at the moment, are more tolerant towards immigrants than any other country in Europe, plus we have the unemployment benefits system, and social housing for immigrants (but not our homeless)
No more please!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where do I move to?
Housing Market? Doesn't he mean "Squatters"?
We have to ask why our country is so attractive to immigrants given that it is slowly sinking beneath the waves.
The queen has 20,000 acres spare at Sandringham, why not put a few hundred low cost houses up there to house our foreign visitors?
Too many... Full stop...
Don't let them in then! If France can do it do can we!
Personally I welcome our brothers from the east, the more the merrier.
''MPs have previously warned that up to 300,000 migrants from Romania and Bulgaria could move to these shores'' - - - - - - - - - they missed out these two important words - 'every year'.
So why don't they do something about it,they have known about this for a long time.
All of you who voted for a pro-EU or One Nation party at the last four General Elections should go to the cenotaph in your city, town or village, read the names and ages of the dead and bow your head in shame.
Time to act now before it is too late.
Our traitorous government is giving our country away to these people and we are just letting them do it. If a nation can't be bothered to defend it borders it probably deserves to be eradicated.
Tell Dave - stop talking and start walking. It's not just houses - it's bigger than that. People are getting a little short on patience with the queue and benefit jumping.
To say ' it will cause problems' is an understatement and I suggest your Government pulls its finger out and do something about it before there is massive trouble.
If they haven't got a home they can't settle.
Not just housing, think Schools, NHS, Dentists and without a doubt a lot of criminals, but my big question is how are we going to fund all this as well as the Benefits and eventually your PENSION.
Obviously the prime minister thinks that this is a good idea, otherwise he would do put a stop to it by giving the public a referendum.
No, and Pickles won't know how many there are after they arrive, either.
If I was a government minister these are the figures I would be looking at ; if 300,000 people came here and could n't find work they would be entitled to benefits which including housing , would be a minimum of £10,000 per year for each claimant .This would cost the country £ 3 billion and does not include health and other social costs.Of course these figures are only provisional, but whatever the outcome Britain will face enormous costs if this expected influx takes place.
Time to shut the Damn door.
Civil servants forecast 13,000 would arrive from Poland. 1 Million came. If they forecast 400,000 Romanians and Bulgarians , then number is more likely to be 5 Million+. Any you thought it couldn't get worse !!!!!!!
For goodness sake do something NOW .... the thought of another 420,000 + immigrants descending on this country is horrifying ....
Don't know, and Don't care more like, and powerless to do anything about it.
Why do Cameron and Milliband keep saying that its in our National interest to be in the EU? Our services will be stuffed if all those people come over! Vote for the only party who'll ever offer you a proper referendum UKIP.
Your comments: We dont want any of them. Its too small here - stay away
It would put pressure on rented housing, as the government continues to give huge tax breaks to landlords who leave their properties empty so there is no incentive for rental prices to drop. However there are plenty of people trapped in negative equity in the stagnant housing market so if any of these Bulgarians or Romanians can invest in property in the UK they might actually do some good in that sector.
Please STOP this madness.
Oh oof, just do the right thing and shut the gate, lock the back door and don't open the front door. We are full up already.
its not only housing, its schools, roads, doctors, and especially hospitals. All these people think they are entitled to free housing and free schools, free medical treatments and they haven't paid a penny into our system. Its a disgrace that this is being allowed to happen over and over again.
We do know how many to many just like back in 2004 when they came Time to stop them only way UKIP our country has already been destroyed
Complete madness to leave EU? This proves it is has to be in our interests to leave. We are well within our rights, as we have never been consulted on our membership of EU in it's present form
i give up , i wish i could escape this joke of a country , ukip all the way
God help us!
I LIVE IN AN APARTMENT BLOCK OF ABOUT 20 APARTMENTS AND IM THE ONLY IRISH PERSON HERE.. 1 IN 4 POLISH IN IRELAND ARE NOW LIVING ON WELFARE IM SURE ITS THE SAME IN THE UK IF NOT MORE.. GOD HELP US ALL WHEN THIS NEXT 'BATCH' ARRIVE !!!
He clearly failed to keep up his new year resolution. :P
We don't want any...... The country is too crowded with scroungers already.
Stop this now. Enough is enough. Have we not learned anything from 2004? We cannot cope with an endless trail of people coming here claiming benefits, taking up housing, filling our schools with their kids... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
WE'RE ALREADY FULL TO THE RAFTERS WITH POLISH WHO WE WERE TOLD WOULDN'T COME ALSO...GOD HELP US ALL WHEN THE ROMANIANS AND BULGARIANS ARRIVE ....AND COME THEY WILL...!!
Lets hope when they arrive that they all bring shedloads of money with them toi buy their homes and to pay for all their needs. Their lives are not our responsibility. We would not go to anyone elses county and expect their citizens to bankroll our lives.
Germany made the Poles wait seven years. Why is that not an option here or is the country once again being dictated to by employers and shareholders demanding the right to employ coolie labour?
Just watching program called being poor! Why are we letting in immigrants who draining this country, and government policies target British people as benefit scrounges and stupid middle class fools believe the drivel! Close are boarders!
Why should they be entitled to housing? or benefits? or any other freebies for that matter. When did any of them contribute to our welfare system? The sooner we are out the better.
another reason to quit the eu
Well an awfull lot won't bother if you don't give em benefits & council houses will they "Eric I don't go without a big Sunday dinner pickles" !!
There's a very simple answer to this. Take back control of our borders and decide to not let wave after wave of unrestricted immigration threaten an already very overpopulated island. In fact why don't we stop immigration 100% for say a year or so and use the time to sort out the backlog of cases that we already have and get rid of everybody who should not be here!
Go on Eric, have a guess. NuLab reckoned we would get less than 20,000 Polish, you can't be more wrong than them, surely!!!
it's already causing problems .... when are the government going to realise.action needs to be taken ... shut the doors now ....
We need to move whats left of our Army to Dover and all the other ports to keep these leeches out
''warned that up to 300,000 migrants from Romania and Bulgaria could move'' You should multiply by 5. There are already about one milion Polish people here, and believe me live in Romania and Bulgaria is even harder than in Poland.
What is the point of making cutbacks and savings to get the country out of this mess, and then let in 450,000 who will not be skilled so they will be claiming benefits. The country cannot afford, we cannot house our own people never mind this lot, its time to say enough is enough. If Cameron does nothing to stop this all I can say he can say goodbye to another term in office. Now you know why people are turning to UKIP is it any wonder?
If it was I in power exactly ZERO!
And Cameron says we'd be mad to leave the EU!!!!!!
It's an on-going problem, and in reality we're not going to stop these influxes. it's time to nationalise the house building cartels and start constructing a million new homes a year until the problem's resolved.
Stop bloody letting them in then for heavens sake it's not rocket science
Leave the EU and stop immigration. This is the only way this country will be able to regain its wealth and rebalance its infrastructure to cope with its present excessive population.
1 from each country would be too many in my opinion, no wonder everyone wants out of the EU, immigration is probably the number one concern in this country, but David Cameron still does n't get it. I would be happy to stay in the EU if we got rid of Euro free movement and the human rights nonsense (thank you Bliar) , otherwise there really is no other choice, UKIP
This must be stopped before its to late. We are bursting point now!!!!!
Nice one :/ its going to be even harder for people to find jobs and homes! Why are you letting More in I really don't understand! Can't wait to get out of this grim over populated country one day!
I expect all the British 'Big Issue' sellers will earily dissapear, just like they did in Chester, and be replaced by Romanians. I wish old women would stop giving these people money.
we need OUT OF THE EU before this can happen! vote UKIP!
I predict a Major Civil Unrest in all parts of the UK in the not too distant future, the british people especially the young are getting seriously hacked off with this out of control immigration & before the red arrows appear i'm all for immigration but the sheer numbers coming to this small island is just unsustainable - we cannot afford the housing, medical care & the benefits for which i'm sure a great majority will be claiming. If we weren't so generous with handouts for the workshy & a spineless justice system which makes this a haven for criminals maybe this country wouldn't be such an attractive destination.
I'm sure some of the houses in Downing Street could be coverted into flats so some of the Roma could live there :o)
So they will be entitled to house with garden as soon as they come in? I have been working and paying taxes; yet I have been in the non priority register for how many years now(?) because I could not have children. Is that fair? Being a low income earner, I am forced to rent from a greedy landlady who needs her house more than the people she rented it out to. Can the present Condem govenment do something about who should be put in councils' housing priority list. Surely, when they troop in, it will further elongate how many years more I will have to stay in the non priority register. Will I ever get help? Lord Have mercy!
Stop the coming then. Problem solved
Nick Boles, Eric Pickles, Philip Hollobone and estimates without any basis or foundation. Please dont insult our intelligence.
Say "no" then !! .... When is this country going to grow a pair ??
Surely Mr Pickles is in a position to put an indefinite delay on the unlimited access to these east Europeans. We don.t have the infrastructure to Cope with unlimited immigration any more.
As long as they don't scrounge and they behave themselves then I don't mind who comes here
truely,we are sunk.money taken from us for the economy will now feed and house a flood of new immigrants.looking forward to the rioting,whitch will surely come
Stop all benefits to people who have not paid into the system, that will insure they wont come here
We need to remove all these pro european parties from power as soon as possible or Great Britain will be lost forever!
So, in reality we are expecting in excess of a million. More pressure on welfare, housing, social services, jobs etc. And Dave and his gang wonder why UKIP are becoming more popular by the day
Here we go again!!!
PICKLES, THE ANSWER IS TOO MANY AND WE DONT WANT THEM!!!!!
UKIP! UKIP! make a stand!
If there are so many dangers and threats to infrastructure from too many immigrants, why the hell doesn't the Border Control staff get orders to refuuse to let them in? There should be more strong and tough leadership dveloping to control this mad EU idea which will eventually damage us beyond repair.
So sort it out then, you rightly criticised the Liebour lot when they ignored and lied to us when we faced a previous situation like this, interestingly the Lefties are now pretending to be sorry, money where mouth is, not pasties!!!!!!
Mr Pickles your answer to how many immigrants will come here from those countries ... Is none. ... That is if the government do their job properly and halt unessary immigration untill the economy improves.... As we have a surplus of workers and shops closing due to massive increasing Internet sales ... It is crazy to import more to add to the unemployment queues... And the government want to cut the benefits cost ... More immigrants will increase the benefit costs... Basic logic... Is our government really fit for purpose ..?... No wonder very few bother to vote.
close the borders to all non nationals without a job and without a place to live, restrict all benefits to those who have been working and paying into the system for 2 years and the same for access to the NHS and ensure this is made clear in all EU countries, if this is done the UK may just stand a chance of survival.
So why can't the restriction just be extended? Or is that a decision for the EU policymakers who now control our borders.
As Larry would say...shut that door! UKIP for me.
'up to 425,000' Dont make me laugh....more like triple or quadruple that number AT LEAST *sigh*
Any suggestions Eric ? Or are you as clueless as the rest of the ConLibLab tribe .
Now we have it from a horses mouth, unfettered immigration is causing a shortage in the UK housing market. And this is why they want to turn our greenbelt into housing estates, after all they're depending on getting their votes come the next election.
Tell us something we don't know. Even better, tell us what you are going to do to stop this problem, or are the British taxpayers going to have to dig deeper to pay for these freeloading migrants. Remember, if you don't take action, more people will vote UKIP
easy. if you are not leagal in britain.then make it illegal to sell to them
No other Country in the EU houses us !! , so why are we expected to not only house anyone that walks into Britain but to feed clothe and give jobs to all these unwanted immigrants! If they don't have their own means of support and a job then we should do as other Countries do and that is to not allow them in. These people have a home in their own Country so why are we expected to cover our lovely Countryside building houses for this lot.....it doesn't make an ounce of sense and its grossly unfair to the British people.
An wave of migrants from Romania and Bulgaria will put further pressure on the UK's already strained housing stock..... and employment , schols, the NHS, and the rest. Stop talking and DO SOMETHING ABOUT!
Enough said UKIP and now otherwise we only have ourselves to blame. None of these people will bring anything to this country other than crime and debt!
WELCOME ! HERE,S A FREE HOUSE ! HERE,S YOUR FREE MEDICINES, HERE,S YOUR FREE BENEFITS,IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ,A FREE INTERPRETER WILL BE PROVIDED TO HELP YOU CLAIM ALL YOUR FREE ENTITLEMENTS.JUST VOTE CONSERVATIVE OR LABOUR WHEN YOU GET HERE ! THATS FREE AS WELL !
Heads in the sand, backsides in the air, whistling through the whole of the afternoon. That's the UK in the EU. The MPs will be responsible for civil rioting here.
If we get too many you could always eat them Mr P.
You'll just have to tell them that we're full. Council Housing has a ten year waiting list. So unless you have very special skills don't make the journey!
Pickles showed himself to be the useless, uninformed blob that I thought he was this morning. He thinks his arrogant responses give him some kind of gravitas, but Andrew Neal made him look a fool.
Well I actually hope it happens because people who just sit back and don't vote and call everyone racist for mentioning the floodgates being opened will maybe finally get a taste of what they have so long wished for. Enjoy it you DIDN'T vote for it!
UKIP
When did we ever give permission to give our country away to all and sundry .we never ageed to this when we joined the common market .our country has been hijacked with the connivance of our politicians.you,ve sold us out and for what.UKIP now second in the polls,surprise surprise Cameron .
yeah, and if you didn't make it so easy for immigrants to come here and litterally rob the place, they'd go elsewhere - idiot!
An wave of migrants from Romania and Bulgaria will put further pressure on the UK's already strained housing stock.... and employment, the NHS, schols and the rest. Stop talking about AND DO SOMETHING!
Well then chubby cheeks get Scameron to give us a referendum before they come so we can exit stage left or right I don't care as long we don't have hordes of people coming here for economic reasons Like the millions already here with no loyalty or history tying them to the country
Even one is to many, they say leaving the EEC would be a disaster for the UK I say it will be a disaster to stay in what about the strain on jobs, hospitals, schools, benefits, we have had to claw back on pension benefits and every other benefit why do we allow them to send child benefits back to Poland so if your benefit is stopped I bet it isn't for them, I would never have voted form UKIP before but I will never vote for lab/lib/cons ever again
The answer to that, Mr Pickles,? close the gates and start counting!!!
Errrmmm all of them...
What the hell !!!!! Whose bright sparks idea is this? Whoever it is I'm not voting them in!!!!!!
Britain is doomed.............................what's the answer ?
We will all be in big trouble when this happens we are overwhelmed now by eastern europeans begging on every street corner and taking any jobs available not to mention the benefits they send back home.But no the government would rather punish the sick and disabled that were born and bred here.
VOTE UKIP! PLEASE!!!!
Eric Pickles says 'influx' of Eastern Europeans 'will cause problems'"Never who would have guessed"!!But what its all about is Pakistanis and Indians will work for less than Poles and Romanians and Bulgarians will work for even less! Its all about driving living standards down and creating a no hope no future British Society!
"from 2014 give 29million Bulgarians and Romanians the right to live and work in Britain." So shall we have 100,000,000 on this already overcrowded island, by 2015
My Granddad was gassed in the first world war, my dad came back from Burma a cabbage,after being lost in the jungle,and my other granddad took shrapnel to hishead,although he was Ok. Now your asking me to give up England without a fight. I do`nt think so. This green and pleasant land.
Enough - stop this madness!
Take the offical government estimate then times it by 10 then you will be closer to the truth, all part of the EU and Shamerons master plan to flood us, then give a referendum when the country has more EU parasites than British people, pleasing his mates for more slave labour at the same time, then he can get rid of the welfare state as it will become even more unsustainable.
This government has on idea about any thing. Keith43/Ludlow
How many will come here ? Too many. Only good thing is that it will increase the UKIP vote.
i'd say vote UKIP but even if they got into power in the next election it'll be to late..... Congratulations Labour and Conservatives, you've taken the Great out of Britain
Oh, I know, I know, pick me, pick me !!! . . . anywhere between 1 and 2 million, maybe even more !!! Hooray, what fun, the more the merrier !!! I just love being a part of the EU and it's free movement directives . . . (SOMEBODY HELP US PLEASE !!!)
He has an idea of numbers he said. He is just refusing to say.
We have say NO now,we are overcrowded, schools full,hospitals to busy to cope,no spare housing.if your home is Full then you don't allow more to stay has anyone got the guts to say please stay away no house no benefits no jobs.Thought eu immigrants couldn't claim for a year so why bother coming????it's going to end in tears.
Your comments:God help us !
It is simple to know how many will come here to treasure island. Defy the Euro unelecteds who dictate what we can or can't do in our own country and refuse entry to all. It is highly unlikely any of them can add anything constructive to this country over and above what we already have here. Just another huge drain on benefits and housing.
We can't afford them, either financially or socially. Our already stretched infrastructure and public services will just simply not be able to cope and why should we build on more of our green nod pleasant land just to ccomodate them - once it's gone, it's gone. Close this door NOW nod only think about reviewing it when we have made sufficient provision for our own people, those who have contributed and paid into the country for many years and have earned their right to a return for their efforts. Bring on the next lection and bring on UKIP - and a leader ho will possibly make a decision for the benefit of this country.
YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT AFTER THE SHAMBLES UNDER LABOUR, THIS SHOWER WOULD HAVE LEARNT SOMETHING, BUT NO. IT WON'T AFFECT PAMPERED MP'S ANY. BY THE WAY, WHY IS THIS COUNTRY DUTY BOUND TO GIVE THEM ANYTHING AT ALL. VOTE BNP OR UKIP!!.
However many will be to many
close our borders
How are we going to cope with even more people coming here??? Already massive unemployment and our benefit system is already struggling, not to mention hospitals and schools and housing!! Very depressing!!!
Why don't we just pack up and move out?
Saw the Pickles interview with Andrew Neill - Pickles was in a pickle; I was waiting for Mr Neill to ask him what his name was as he couldn't be certain about anything else. He was stupid enough to make false claims about house building in 2013 - which will come back to haunt him
Can we please just say 'NO!'
It's not just the housing market that will have problems. The roads, the underground, the trains, the schools, the hospitals, indeed the whole infrastructure of our country which was built to accommodate 50 million people, not 70 million +.
'If you want to change the party....lead it' 'If you want to change the country ......lead it' If you don't get us out of Europe this will not be possible and we will become slaves to an unknown power that goes against fundamental British views and values.
" give [ us ] your tired, your poor, your huddled masses..." So that we can be the same.
Funny how when the British National Party say such things they are vilified from all sections of the media, but it's perfectly all right when repeated by politicians who up to a year ago wouldn't touch this subject with a barge pole. Hypocrites.
It is not the housing market as such that is under pressure from these free loaders, they are not coming here to purchase a house. It is the councils that must house these people and must find a house to 'give' them. Here is an idea, stop the hot air and change the benefit rules. Job done
Why do we have to home them?
GREAT,come flocking here for our handouts,not our climate
We simply cannot accept these countries migrants. The door must be firmly closed NOW !
Hey Mr Pickles here is number you should look at >>>>0<<<<<
GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW!!!!
Polish immigrants were estimated to reach 25k, the reality was 750k this government can't even look after those who live here now, never mind welcoming more to our shores
They should have some idea as to the amount of people coming as they have figures from past immagration. they dont want to admit that we are going to be overrun, with more claiming benefits and expection houses.
I'd like Pickles to build the homes for the 2 million that are coming here hear his house and those of the Cabinet.
'UK's housing market to come under pressure from new wave of EU immigrants...' No worries here, folks! Obviously, the focus for the new arrivals will be the up-market properties in Hampstead so often favoured by refugees, asylum seekers and migrants; and funded by Housing benefit, of course. Still, if it's only the housing market that is seen as an issue, then we can reasonably assume an extra 300,000 or so supplicants lining up at the benefits free money pool won't also be a cause for concern? ps. Given the chronic inability of politicians and civil servants to get the numbers right, let's assume that the expected inflow will probably top the million mark?
Its very simple Pickles, you don't let ANYONE in unless they have a confimred job to go to, they have medical insurance and they have a confirmed place to stay. Anyone without all three from anywhere is only granteda 90 day visitors visa and if they overstay even by one day they are banned from re-entry for a minimum 10 years, life for a second offence.
Don't let them in. These countries are disasters, and the only organised thing about them are their criminals. How do I know this? I work with these people all the time and they tell me this themselves.
Ill tell you 200 000
No benefits for foreigners,they won't come if they know that they will not get free housing and money to send back home.Other countries don't throw their taxpayers' money away,why the hell do we?Answer,we have the most inept,stupid politicians on earth at both national and local level. My friends' son was working in France and when he lost his job he was refused any benefits and no housing benefits.The reason he was given for this refusal? He isn't French.Our politicians are spineless and should be forcibly removed by the people from office.
I honestly believe that the British are past caring anymore, much prefering to close their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and sing la la la la, nothing to do with me!!!
They are absolute stupid!! If you had a chance of a free house, benefits, free healthcare all what you couldn't get in your own country what would you do? Millions you can be sure of that!!
I asked my 4 year old grandson how we stop this. He said that we should stop paying them to come here. That's what I was thinking and also probably the entire nation. Why can't our MPs see this? Are they so detatched from logical thought that they are in a tiny little world of their own that cannot see reality?
'If you want to change the party lead it' 'If you want to change the country lead it' If we do not come out of Europe the above is not possible and we will become slaves to an unknown power that goes against fundamental British views and values.
So whats your answer to this then CaMORON i supppose in YOUR World it doe'nt matter.
We've had Blair and Brown lying and covering up about mass immigration and the destruction of the Brotish way of life. It seems Pickles and by association Cameron intend to follow down the same road of untruth.
So the people in charge say they cant do anything....! They cant even guess at th size of the problem....! So tell me again, why are they in charge?
I wouldnt believe any number they quote, this country really is on its last legs, what the hell is it going to be like in 10 years? Vote ukip!!
Labour and Tories are just traitors. Anyone that votes for these two parties cares nothing for our culture, identity, and heritage being preserved.Vote UKIP
Just stop all immigration. Simple.
We know how many will come - all of them! A no brainer. UK benefits payout more money than the average wage in Bulgaria. This needs to stop. It's crazy.
Your comments:so if i go to spain ill get a house for free /dont think so ? offer them a tent ! or will that upset these private landlords making big profits?
The Government MUST legislate immediately to make sure that this unnecessary and unwanted influx does NOT happen at the end of the year
How can they come here, there are no jobs ,no housing and no school places. My own family are struggling with all the above, We need a Referundum now to show these politicians that we don't want these immigrants coming here and taking away the lives that we have worked for and feel we are letting our own British children down.
Here we go again. More for our schools and hospitals to cope with. Bring on the UKIP government.
Probably in that case now is a good time to leave the EU
just tell them there are no jobs,no spare houses and no free cash on offer,they will soon head somewhere else or are the politicos too scared of big brother in brussles ?
Quite Simple Mr Pickles, rip up the rule book that says they can come here, if not move aside for U.K.I.P
Well do something about it now - before it happens. For god's sake its not as if you haven't had warning. Block our borders and let Germany deal with it.
Bulgaria's economy and living standards are tanking. Romania has always had problems. Why live a life of hardship and poverty(real poverty not 2 flat screen tv's and an Xbox poverty) when you can come to benefits Britain. All expenses paid!
If only people born here were allowed to claim benefits then hundreds of thousands of them would not be planning on coming here. Those that do should only be allowed in if they can afford to house and feed themselves.
yeah, another nail in the 'i love my country' coffin
why the social housing? if they come here with nothing then they have made themselves intensiously homeless and should get nothing, thats the way it works with us.
This next batch of East Europeans should be held in Brussels until we have our referendum on opting out of the EU! WE ARE FULL HERE!!
Why not have a referendum on europe before December so we can bailout, then shut our borders and sorry boys no room at the inn
Eric try some honesty you have not got a clue how many will come and the governments have known about this time bomb for years yet there to afraid to do what will stop this invasion they seem to for gotten all those lives that were lost so we could live our lives as free Britains the really frightening thing you have no clue how many europeans are already hear how many are illegals and when some are convicted you have no power to kick them out you may as well pack your bags now
Unbelievable. I hope the government won't tlet this happen.
When is this madness going to end?
It will be more than the housing market that will feel the pressure. Where is the work for them? What about their health care? The list is endless. This country just can't take any more people!!
1) Well we the British people are still waiting for our referendum that you promised from the last election. 2 )This is not what we voted for on the Common Market . 3 )We do not have enough jobs for our own people. 4 )If we do not get our vote, then we will have to fight you on the streets.
Oh my god, just say no.
One of the undisputed benefits of being in the EU???
This will be the end of the UK.....RIP not so great Britain
just have the b...s to say enough is enough we are full up there is no more money why do we have to take everyone from europe no other country does get us out of europe now vote ukip but i fer it is too late
So thousands, if not millions of unskilled migrants coming over to claim our land of milk and honey. We wouldn't have this if we were out of the EU. I'm voting UKIP next election.
Pickles don`t tell us about the Problem Tell us what YOU are going to do about it.
You misquoted him! What he actually said was "We don't know and we don't care...."!
UKIP. That is all.
What have they done to our poor country?
So where is it written that they have to be housed by the british taxpayer. This government need to get a grip because so far they've been bloody useless. They're supposed to be 'in charge' yet do nothing. Roll on the election
perhaps I am a little confused but why is it going to cause a problem with social housing, surely they will not be entitled to that.
I absolutely give up. I've had it with this country. It's run by buffoons and we are just as bad for standing by and doing nothing about it.
Every Government has under-estimated the numbers migrating from new EU countries with all sorts of problems for the UK infrastructure, culture and crime situation. The British people did NOT vote for this massive influx of peoples. A referendum on the EU is massively overdue.
We are governed by morons.
We all know (Except the Government) what is coming our way from the East in December, and our wicked Government will do nothing to stop through fear of being called racists. The Daily Mail recently reported whole villages and towns are going to empty in pursuit of welfare funding here, one assumes that the sick and elderly won't be left behind so who is going to pay for their welfare. Are they going to go to the top of the list in front of our hard pressed pensioners who have contributed all their lives.
So all those for the EU including Milliband what is their response to this influx of labour who will pay minimal tax but claim all the benefits? Why isn't this included in their support for the EU. It is all conveniently hidden under the carpet. I want to remain in the EU but not with all these absurd laws which does nobody any good.
Why don't all us Brits just leave our beloved country and hand it lock stock and barrel to migrants, because it seems that LibLabCon wants exactly that.
Why don't all us Brits just leave our beloved country and hand it lock stock and barrel to migrants, because it seems that LibLabCon wants exactly that.
This whole open doors EU policy combined with our ridiculous benefits system and human rights lawyers is going to land the UK in one thing - Civil unrest
Dont worry Eric just some more of Tony B-Liars economic migrants coming over to help us prosper even more
There'll be a revolution in this country yet because the government just does'nt listen to its people at all.
Simple. Make the "temporary restrictions" permanent.
Why does Britain let everyone in??
None!! That's how many we want here. Close the doors to the lot of them.
uk has no work,no houses,and no will to take these migrates,so just dont let them and tell the EU to go to hell
This is all part of the big plan to kill nationalism which they blame as the cause of the World Wars in the 20th Century. But this is a very dangerous game, because it could backfire, you have to have the numbers right, which clearly the politicians dont have. Blair opened the doors and it has remained opened ever since. This plan might stop World Wars, but it wont stop civil unrest on our streets if jobs become non-existent and locals on council lists are pushed to the back of the list by EU migrants. Expect a stormy year ahead, and more inaction on the part of the politicians. Eric Pickles is warning his Government of what lies ahead, wonder if they are going to listen, not!
We don't bloody want them! I'm sick of it!!! I scrimp and save and work my a** off and can't afford to buy a home yet no doubt they will waltz over, get a fee house, take our tax and cause crime. I'm sorry but NO!!
why when our own youngsters carnt get social housing and they have to pay high private rents. you carnt understand this government
Thank you Mr Blair and Brown, signing us up to this madness, so we can look forward to another influx of villans and free loaders who will be entittled to our taxes to support them. Brilliant!
It's simple. Only pay benefits to anyone British born and over sixteen years of age, or anyone who has lived, worked and contributed for a minimum of three years. Then implement the EU rule that no EU immigrant should be a burden on their host nation.
The estimates are clearly way off and the real estimates will not be aired because of the dissent it will cause. Your looking at a major movement of people from both countries within the first year. We're talking one million plus in the first year and up to 2.5 million total after two years. Both countries will be emptied out of criminals and the poor, they'll all be here wanting benefits, housing and health care whilst begging, robbing and trafficking drugs and people.
None of this makes a great deal of sense to me. We are not going to be flooded with migrants buying all the houses since they don't have the money to buy. They can rent of course but we can't just go building houses to accommodate immigrants, that would be stupid. But then when have people like Nick Boles ever displayed much intelligence. If the houses don't exist for them to live in then they can just go back where they came from (he says hopefully)
We do know how many will come, almost all of them. Why would anyone want to stay there when they can't come here and get a house and be paid more in benefits than they could earn working at home. One day people will look back on this sort of immigration and see it for what it is, a disaster, not only for the UK and host countries like us, but also for the countries all these people leave. How are those countries supposed to get better and progress when we steal all their talent? They pay to train doctors, nurses, dentists etc and then we take them away from them. How can that be fair? Even when it comes to asylum it's wrong. Iran persicutes gays. So we allow their gays to come here and claim asylum. So who is left in Iran to drive change? Eventually Iran will become a gay free zone, isn't that what they wanted in the first place?
The economic migrants arriving from Romania and Bulgaria are just another nail in the coffin of British jobs for British people, so expect a HUGE rise in redundancies in November 2013 clearing the decks for bosses to pay minimum wage to the new comers while those who have worked hard will now be demonized as shirkers.
Don't kid yourself. The only thing this man is probably scared of is a shortage of food.
OK thats fair enough I don`t suppose anyone knows Mr Pickles but what is more relevant is what are you going to do about preventing another massive influx of jobless homeless and unskilled immigrants .
Just DON'T let any of them in!!!
Then don't let them in, plain and simple.
The housing market comes under pressure whenever Mr Pickles visits one.
Simple Eric do not let any in, we have no jobs,no housing and the people do not want them here.....if the EU cry foul then just red card them
Just bear in mind that No British Government, has Ever Been Given Consent to Permit Mass Immigration under any pretext !
Out of the E.U and stop all but the necessary immigration now.
A more pertinent question could be, "What affect will this have on the, already, overstretched NHS?" because quite frankly I cannot see how the NHS can exist in the face of uncontrolled migration. Don't forget that anyone can more to the the UK from within the EU and with the unemployment figures soaring on the Continent you do wonder how many of these people are thinking of moving to the UK's relatively healthy employment market - especially when you realise that some EU nations are not as generous to jobseekers/unemployed as us.
Easy. Do NOT give them social housing or benefits. Leave them on the streets and they will soon go home.
Incompetent inept muppets in government who are not fit for purpose, time for the British people to stand up and be counted!!
He doesn't know how many will come here? We all know, so why doesn't he know?
Boosting the economy or having a happier society, which is more important ?
Do you need any more reasons to get out of the EU now? Vote UKip!
Excuse me for being a bit dull, but why are they expected to come here rather than France/Germany etc? As much as I hate being a part of Europe and think we should get out pronto, why can't we as a country do whatever France/Germany are doing to discourage them from going there instead? Be it tougher immigration, less benefit payouts? Or have I missed the point, and they're expected to go there as well? Maybe some one would like to enlighten me as the DM don't seem to be!
These people, plus their families, have been given a free entry ticket into the UK by the EU, and can claim unemployment and housing benefits on arrival. Yet our overstretched services can hardly cope with the people we already have, and pressure on hospitals, schools, housing, is enormous. Plus, twenty two per cent of our young unemployed, so even more competition for scarce jobs. IT IS UTTER IRRESPONSIBLE MADNESS allowed by pro EU Cameron and Co living in their ivory towers, who obviously don't give a damn about what is in the best interests of the people of this country. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP WHO WOULD PUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY FIRST FOR A CHANGE.
We have no more room. Please make it stop.
More immigrants to milk us dry. Have they all got jobs to come to? Can they afford to buy their own home and feed their families? Will they contribute to our society by paying taxes? No? Then close the borders. Great Britain is full and her people are fed up with this madness. Get us out of the EU now!
The number should be ZERO. Only people who can contribute to our society and pay tax on the income which they will earn, from the work which they have pre-arranged before travel, should be considered for entry. Not one however, should be eligable to claim from the benefits system...
Being the UK government wish britain to become the benifit capital of the world why not give all the british people a lump sum to live abroad, be plenty of housing to give away then
Shut the doors NOW!!!!!!!!!!
Don't worry, it won't be a problem.. We have plenty of social housing, jobs, school places and hospital beds available for these hard working people. I know some of them have never worked in their own countries but as soon as they get here that will change and we won't be able to move for big issue sellers and beggars adding their diversity to the wonderful mix that already exists. Are our politicians complete idiots ? Sorry that was a rhetorical question. Please can someone explain to me why they want to ruin our lives and our children's future ?
The Government should grow some and say NO! Enough is enough.
Great Britain ha ha ha ha all these Bulgarian and Romanian migrants should be housed in Scotland where Brown, Blair, Darling etc all come from.
More lost jobs and more benefits. Enough is enough. This is just ASKING for it. The people of this country are reaching boiling point. Whatever the colour of the party rosette they are all the same. What is the answer? UKIP is not ready to govern this country: they are still too busy sorting out the dissension in their ranks. So what's the answer. Yes that's right another term for labour. And we know what happened last time we had labour in power. But then again there's not a fag paper between the lot of them. All self-serving hypocrites whose main concern is their own pockets and sucking up to the EU, not looking after their own.
So what? They either pay for somewhere to live or they sleep on the streets.
Close the doors now we don't want any of them!!!
So come on Cameron and Co.tell the EU what to do and keep the restrictions. We are full up already without a load more immigrants.
There is absolutely nothing anyone can do about this. Just hope it is the hard working that come over, not the pick pockets and other criminals.
tell them the uk is full go home
why are more people being allowed to come here i do not want romanian people being given free reign to come here because of the crimninal activities they indulge in, in aussie land they do not just allow anyone in unless they are bringing in a skill not just to scrounge on state handouts there has to be a srtict criteria and limits the housing waiting list is at bursting point that famalies are being shipped to the outskirts of london cameron has to come out of the eu
Quite frankly any is too many, we've had enough immigrants from Eastern Europe come here over the last decade & we can't take anymore, vote UKIP.
We're all doomed !!, I just love paying taxes especially for those who haven't put a penny in.
We do... MILLIONS!
simple no benefits can be claimed until you have completed two years in work,and mut show you have come over to fill a job vacancy,rush this bill through now before its to late.alot of other countries do this why not us.
Why would it affect social housing? They should not be offered social housing. If I went to Romania I wouldn't be given a house I would have to rent one PRIVATELY.
I fail to see why any of these immigrants should have any entitlement to social housing. They should only be able to enter if they can prove that they have the financial means to support themselves and their families without recourse to tax payer provided funds.
What Jabba is saying here is absolutely correct. We CANNOT allow any more people onto this island. We need to start getting physical. We need to start manning the borders ourselves. If our politicians won't do anything, then we need to do it ourselves. Our generation is so apathetic because we live in an age where most people alive today have never really had to fight for anything. We were born with our freedom. DON'T allow it to be taken from us. This is our island. It is our DUTY to defend it. FOR YOUR CHILDREN
we are the dumping ground of europe if they have not got a job then they should not be allowed in and nobody who arrives here should not be given housing carry on like this and syria will seem like a heated debate
I vote for British politicians yet the final say on an issue as important as immigration is made by faceless Europeans elected by nobody. We have no control over our own borders, so really the European superstate is already here. How can anyone support this?! It doesn't seem to matter what government we have, left or right, they all seem determined to led us down the same path - the slow, steady and without doubt calculated breakdown of national identity.
Another reason not to let them in.
So they think 425,000 will settle here? Make that 4.25 million. Free benefits, come one come all.
We do not have jobs and homes for Brits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can tell you Mr Pickles the lot of them or all of them not hard to estimate at all,we already have most of all the EU and rest of the worlds population here.
Housing shortage? What about the job shortage, the extra burden on the NHS, crime. Shut the doors you dumb arse politicians
What restrictions you idiot? The country is full of Romanians and Bulgarians already. They're doing the low paid jobs that our benefits people could be doing, but due to the madness of the EU and some of our more unscrupulous employers who only pay minimum wage, they're easily employable. There's a real hidden cost though that government won't publicise. Once they're here and working, the door to our extensive benefits and tax credit cash machine is wide open, and they can pluck whatever they want from the UK taxpayers pocket. The old political argument that we can always do the same and go to their country and work doesn't wash, because if there was paying work and a good benefits system in their country, they wouldn't be drawn here. So in effect, UK taxpayers are paying out twice. Once to keep the unemployed in the style to which they've become accustomed due to the largess of New Labour, and again in tax & child tax credits to immigrant workers. Employers are the only winners!
Being part of the EU is so great isn't it?
Hundreds of thousands. Mostly on the make. Disaster.
Why can't we be more like Australia? You can come and live here if you pay your way. We have enough of our own claiming benefits for a number of reasons, why should a tiny country like ours have to house and feed the rest of Europe?
The country according to the coalition government is economically & financially straining..yet we STILL have our borders open..the welfare state will take another pounding..this country is in a dire state..maybe we need to take another look at the millions or even the billions we donate to foreign aid..& start concentrating on our own mess..we cant cope with another influx of people..how long until enough is enough
Another reason to leave the EU.
Which part of enough is enough do the british government not understand? We're already struggling, NHS, Schooling, housing? Something tells me before long the UK will simply look like a high rise eastern block suburb! Brilliant!
My word, did anybody see this clown being ripped apart by Andrew Neill on TV today - how utterly embarrassing.
Mr. Eric Pickles says: "The expected 'influx' of Eastern Europeans will cause problems". Too late - they already have. Thanks Liebour.
To hell with the "Freedom of Movement" rules. Show some "bulldog spirit" and tell the EU where to go. We cannot keep letting everybody come here. We are full up and teetering on the brink. Put a stop to it now!!!!
Sadly most of them will take jobs and benefits made for the BRITISH people. But... Hopefully some of them will actually STUDY and become someone with a degree and go back to their country.
Send them to Scotland the country thats so inclusive imigrants last a few weeks before heading south .
What is the point??? Born in the UK in 1955 worked since I was 15, paid all my taxes. Family Allowance - NIL eldest child - State Pension - NIL not until I am 66 - Social Housing - NIL got married before I had my family!!! Bulgarian or Romanian you can have it ALL!!!
So sick of this. I'm AT LEAST fifth generation English, all of my family are taxpayers. My partner and I work full time and are scrimping and saving for a house, whilst living with my parents. Meanwhile all and sundry can come here, take housing, jobs, benefits and lord knows what else. When will this government do anything to assist people like me?
This government, and previous ones, have done absolutely nothing to stem the flow of immigrants into the UK. They should have closed the borders years ago. As regards to the housing shortage. They should put compulsory purchase orders on run down and empty properties and renovate them - thus cutting the cost. As far as I am concerned they should deport all illegal immigrants and stop benefit to other immigrants claiming. Close the borders NOW.
Not a problem..Lots of accomodation will be found for them when unemployed British people are evicted from their homes and thrown onto the streets.
He's so smart that Eric Pickles...NOT...so old smart Ar$€ informs us that the influx of migrants from Romania and all, will put a strain on our housing stock........Well of course they will, if they can just land in this country and claim one...... Sorry, but what the hell are we as a country doing to prevent these migrants just claiming the right to a FREE house......This country has become the SLUMDOG of Europe...... My Father and his Generation didn't Die for his country, So as to allow the Scum of Europe to over run it......It makes me so mad....
It's been said many times before but I am saying it again, if you haven't paid into the system, you don't get anything out. Here we are, suffering cuts in all the essential services, people being thrown out of work right, left and centre, and yet still we are opening our doors to all and sundry. And what's the betting that the poor troops who have served their country in Afghanistan, and are due to be pulled out soon, will find themselves in the job queue very quickly afterwards. Despair?? It doesn't come close.
Stop them coming in the first place and why the hell do we have to house them!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is not just housing these immigrants will put pressure on. What about our benefits system, NHS and schools, GP's etc. Why can't we limit the intake rather than just wave them all into the UK, unless the immigrant has a skill which is actually needed here.
Why should it cause problems?? The answer is so simple, if you come, come prepared, arrange your own accommodation or don't bother coming, no more hand outs, no more social housing, house our nationals who need housing, not the benefit seekers coming into the country.
Simple, vote UKIP
You know what to do Cameron, Pickles and co. I know what to do, the majority of the British people know what to do, it's only you clowns in parliament who can't see the bleeding obvious. HOLD THE EU REFERENDUM in the next few months. If you don't the British people will NEVER forgive you.
That'll be another 12 billion a year on our benefit bill then.
What is the point??? Born in the UK in 1955 worked since I was 15, paid all my taxes. Family Allowance - NIL eldest child - State Pension - NIL not until I am 66 - Social Housing - NIL got married before I had my family!!! Bulgarian or Romanian you can have it ALL!!!
Social housing is prone to abuse from everyone as it is now. It is time that socialist nonsense to get scrapped altogether. People should be responsible for their own housing not the society. The ones who cannot afford should get temporary housing. But getting social housing for life is a complete nonsense.
As the Government can not discriminate against legal immigrants who wish to claim benefits it is time to toughen up the rules for everybody that wants to claim fom our welfare system. I suggest that no adult is allowed to claim benefit of any kind until they have paid a national insurance stamp for 5 years. This will obviously impact on our own citizens as well as legal immigrants,you may find youngsters are a bit more willing to take low paying jobs to support themselves.
On the good side they are religion tolerant and have same values. Also the door has been open to them for the past 15 years as a "self employed" person, so whoever wanted to come is already here!!!
well lets hope you do your job that the British people put you in power for and simple put a stop to it and get out of the EU
I am off to find myself a desert island - ENOUGH is ENOUGH will the last one leaving turn the lights out
That should please politicians, since higher house prices (for their own properties) is what they want. And surely, if we can find free houses for young single mothers, then we can find free houses for immigrants too.
More Big issue seller's
A referendum or voting UKIP is all a bit belated, suckers, the job is done and so have you been.
Yes you do know, as does everyone else - tens, if not hundreds of thousands.... Who can blame them with such a soft touch welfare system. Still, we - the public - don't mind, it's not as if we are in the mire right!!?? Jokers..
I think we can expect about 3 million new arrivals from Bulgaria and Romania, unless changes are made ,within the next 5 years. I'm just Mr. Average,so my view is bound to be more accurate than our goverment's.
Tory MP Philip Hollobone estimates up to 425,000 may eventually settle here- Yeah right, now where have we heard that before.
This is another good reason for us to wave goodbye to Europe, we can not afford our way now, let alone have yet more scroungers in the Country.
Want out of the EU NOW, NOW, stable door closing too late but let's not let any more in!
what future and hopes have the unemployed got now? This will create far more unemployment for native UK citizens, and i'm not talking about just white people. Even the people that migrated here from the 50's to 90's are saying enough is enough. What hope will there be to get the people living in inner cities out of the hole they are in, when more mass migration will just further add to their demise. It's alright saying.. no more, this needs to stop... it's part of being in the EU and the 3 main parties are don't care, they live in a different world to the plebs. It's the EU project towards federalism, dilute and remove the identity of a country and there is nothing stopping them from taking over it. Staying in the EU will mean it's a matter of time before Britain becomes a dumping ground for Europe, we'll become the Escape from New York and LA. The EU and Germany will move the banks from these shores locally to them leaving this country completely with nothing.
Cameron has been very rude and dismissive of UKIP members recently: he really is going to get his well and truly deserved cumuppance when we next go to the polls: what on earth does he expect?
We are struggling to find jobs for existing BRITISH citizens , close the gates & GET US OUT OF EUROPE...
why is this such a big deal ? we are all europeans, with free movement, let them in, stop this blatant racism.
We cannot absorb anymore, we cannot provided for our own people let alone half of Eastern Europe! I cannot help but feel this is a deliberate act to break down the culture and fabric of this country. And Europe wonder why we complain and do want to be apart of their club!!! Might as well kiss goodbye to our wildlife then!!!!!!
And this is why we need to leave the EU & close our boarders. How much longer can our tiny island take? We will end up losing all our beautiful countryside so we can build houses to home all & sundry. This needs to stop.
So if all 29 million moved here that would be great wouldn't it....this country is such a soft touch!
Government ministers are poorly informed and/or conceal the truth. Moldovan citizens and also those of Tranistria also have Romanian passports and will have entitlement to enter the UK labour market towards the end of the year. Moldova is economically the poorest country in Europe. If you are from these countries, have no job, very limited access to health and social care provision and sufficiently motivated to improve the welfare of yourself and your family you would be stupid NOT to want to migrate to the UK and claim benefits.. It is an absolute dereliction of the government's duty to it's citizens to be unable to cost the social,economic and cultural impact that migration on what will be an industrial scale will have on the the UK. I would conjecture that in excess of 1 million will arrive. The government as a matter of the greatest priority needs to assert a coherent and sustainable policy on this most significant issue.
There aren't that many Big Issues to sell. Where are all these immigrants going to work, after all there is little work now with shops/businsses closing down weekly. In the event of thousands of houses being built on green belt can anybody tell me what will happen to these homes when the immigrants decide to return to their homeland?
I saw the interview on the telly today, this man is the sadest person ever to be a member of a government, could not answer any reasonable question put to him
THIS is why our politicians and business leaders are so keen for us to stay in the EU - cheap labour.
Everyone wants to come here and the current inhabitants want out. There's so many people here who cannot string a simple sentence together. If you want to go to Canada you have to prove you can speak English or French at a high level and can contribute to their labour market. We're just free and easy. We'll have anyone. Committed a crime? Even better. We'll show we're really liberal and open minded and non judgemental. That's right, we're just mental.
And when they do come will it be us, the taxpayers who have worked all our lives and done the right thing with savings, who will be the ones to support their benefit payments when they can't find work? And before I'm red arrowed - I AM sympathetic to the plight of others in need - but we have a welfare problem in this country already - and I for one am getting fed up with paying my bills, paying my tax and then having to sit back and watch my money being wasted by the government on welfare schemes that don't work and for which I end up paying more whilst the recipients just take the handouts. We can't cope now with the demands on the NHS, welfare and housing. Surely some common sense must prevail soon - please!!
Are we going to sleepwalk our way into this or are we, the people, going to stand up and do something about it?
If we get a referendum on the EU and vote to leave they won't be able to just come here, and maybe some of those that are here with no skills could also be sent home, problem solved.
We have a % of most countries. We are Frances 5th biggest city. Let them in and they can go the monoculture ghettos and dilute them. I think thats the real plan behind this.
For Christ sake close the borders & do not allow any migration from these countries. We are full to bursting as it is & cannot justify building on 2 million acres of country side in order to ensure migrants have a home. We need a huge & heavy handed operation to round up all illegal immigrants who should be deported immediately. We need to drastically reduce our population by any means necessary! The sooner we are out of the EU the better!
Wonderful!!! (NOT)
At least ONE MILLION will come here we will be swamped and there will be civil war
Now that all restrictions have been lifted on Romanian and Bulgarian nationals coming into the UK, meaning there is no longer work restrictions impacting on claiming benefits, there will be thousands. Romanian workers are already having an impact on railway maintainence work, with agencies hiring them over local labour because they are paying them less.I know of railway 'gangs' which consist of 8 Romanians and 1 English person. The same can be said for employing Indian workers. Workers that cannot speak English or complete forms in English and have to get other Indian colleages to do it for them, seem to have acquired 'tickets' to enable them to work on rail tracks. Theoretically, one has to be able pass tests in written English to be awarded them, but these non English speakers have them. How? Totally corrupt, unfair and dangerous.
Close the gates NOW.
No need to warn us Pickles, we already know what a swamp we live in, the question is what are you going to do about it? Only UKIP will sort this mess out, no one else will and that includes Eric Pickles. A vote for any party OTHER THAN UKIP is a vote for the EU. DON'T WASTE YOUR VOTE, HELP UKIP TO GET US OUT OF THE EU NOW.
Close the gates NOW.
They will also be entitled to benefits. With benefits now equaling the total revenue received from income tax this will be the final straw in the UK coffin.
Vote UKIP
The influx will cause problems when temporary restrictions end in December this year - in other words Mr Pickles you have ten and a half months to actually do something about a forthcoming, explosive situation. Explosive because we have neither jobs nor homes for those already here. To let even more into the country will also be a drain on ALL resources - food, water, transport, energy, schools, NHS etc, etc. As I also suspect most of these people will only be coming to the UK for a free ride at taxpayers expense, the benefit budget will be stretched to bursting, and without them having paid one penny in income tax or National Insurance. Oh the joys of the EU and the misery it brings! The only mystery being why you and your cronies love it so much.
We really need to do something to stop this and fast! This country is already on it's knees without a further million scroungers descending on us like a swarm of locusts!
We will have a civil war in the next 100 years, the UK is falling apart. We should get out of the EU before ASAP, multiculturalism is a disaster.
dont forget schools nhs jobs crime,and eext turkey this country has went to the dogs because of the eu..it makes me sick .
"the expected 'influx' of Eastern Europeans 'will cause problems'" - It has already had devastating effects! They said 16000 Poles would come and settle in the first year ... 650,000 came ... and most settled. It doesn't matter how many they estimate as it will be far, far, far more! I want to know the answer one question ... why are we not limiting the influx li ke other countries? I shall vote UKIP but I believe the damage is now irreversible and I'm already making my plans to leave this hell hole.
If there are not enough houses then they will have to live elsewhere.
This is why we need an in/out referendum on the EU NOW rather than in 5 years time. We can vote NO now & keep them OUT!
They must be stopped NOW
Presumably all these people come here for our weather. What other possible reason could there be?
Stop it! We are in debt, skint. We simply can't afford it. We need Immediate freeze on immigration followed by strict points system as Australia, Canada etc They cost money as soon as they arrive with translators then housing and benefits. We need to stop it!
They lied to us in 2004 and history will now be repeating itself as the floodgates are opened. London's population alone, has increased by over a million in the last decade. Nearly everybody's second language is English, combined with our benefits system makes this country first choice. We are concreting over our country to house our imported population, yet others have so much land to spare, We have to leave the EU now, it will not stop us trading with Europe or Europe trading with us.
So that's it, we are no longer in charge of our own country
Just shut the door until we know how many are in the country. Call it `Homeland Security` and tell Europe to get lost.
The problem is that the UK is still seen by the ordinary people of many other countries as a land of plenty and of generous welfare. We are of course sinking fast and becoming ever poorer (now with working families in fuel poverty or even homeless). That news is unlikely to get out and unlikely to be believed so the deluge of immigration will continue until our country is dead. What idiot started all this?
Millions will come. Putting pressure on housing, schools, welfare and benefit bills, hospitals, transport systems, police etc etc Let alone all the utilities like water, gas, electricity, rubbish disposal etc etc Sign the e-petition number 41492 online.
Plenty place in the Empty and disused Prisons. What's wrong with using those, while Visa's, Work Permits, and such like is dealt with. If they do NOT like it, then they can go elswhere ! Simples !
As history has already shown,there is absolutely nothing we can do about this.Unless people start to stand up and do something proactive,we will continue to be walked all over.When is enough, enough? How much more do we as a once great nation take? I am genuinely ashamed that nobody is fighting our corner.
yes we know they are getting housed as we speak disgraceful to say English people have been waiting ages for housing.
SO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!
No problem for the previous (Blair) and present incumbent Prime Minister. They are and will be rich. Not having to worry about money or their security. Same applies to the Ministers also.
Given the way the uk is going it is more probable that it will be uk citizens leaving the uk to go to Bulgaria etc
Just what WE always wanted!!!!!! Just what The Doctor ordered!!!!!! Europe will solve all our problems!!!!!! Need I go on with this sarcasm?????
Multiply the number of would be migrants by 10 to probably obtain a more realistic figure!! Jobs, what jobs?
We should leave the EU for a bit to see what happens. I don't think anything good will happen.
how on earth is this in britains interest? we have far more immigrants than we can cope with .they do not contribute and the vast majority of the first waves will be hardend criminals. yet we blindly accept the EU s orders . WHY?
If we go back to the old system where one had to have two years payments into the social fund before one could draw out, then maybe we would not have such an immigration problem.
What is the point??? Born in the UK in 1955 worked since I was 15 paid all my taxes. Family Allowance - NIL eldest child - State Pension - NIL not until I am 66 - Social Housing - NIL got married before I had my family!!! Bulgarian or Romanian you can have it ALL!!!
Need to stop this now. It's a joke. These people send most of the money they earn home. They take an annual holiday at the relevant time so they can claim any tax they have paid back (legitimately) meanwhile they claim tax credits child tax credits and child benefit as soon as they have been here long enough; all above board too. They are also getting wise to bringing sick relatives over to be treated on the NHS (like other cultures.) I know this as I work in social care. I have told my teenagers to get a decent education then get the hell out of this dump.
Great, more drains on our overstreched resource. The quicker we get a Government the British Interests the better.
so the government now want anyone in housing which is deemed too large to pay a "bedroom tax" to free up larger properties at the same time government rants about the unemployed and low earners to limit themselves to two kids.........soooo...whos getting all these houses ?
Oh joy, potentially innumerable extra burdens on our crippled social system.
Another good reason why we should leave the EU immediately, not wait until 2018 as Cameron wants as we will be swamped even more by immigrants by then.
The UK's Housing market will come under pressure, along with everything else, and you lot can just get on with it because your not getting a Referendum on the EU!!
He does not know!!!!!!! Well find out, that's your job, if you are not up to the task then resign and have someone else do the job, I am sick of hearing feeble excuses by governments of all colours. The task of governing the country is in the hands of MP's and Civil Servants, for the people of the land not as a nursemaid for thousands who arrive and take advantage of this country. Just do what the majority want, say NO we will not play being nursemaids and freebies for all and sundry. First duty is to the people of the country, now for once do what you are voted in to do and get handsomely paid for. We have a collection of 'lemmings' in Parliament and across the civil service, you can keep crawling towards oblivion, but don't drag the rest of us along with you.
We would know how many with a sane immigration policy. The answer would be ZERO.
You should cut down on your pork pies mate n get some exercise
Yes, and Britons will get the chance to go and live and work in Bulgaria and Romania, where house prices and the cost of living are lower, it is very sunny from spring till autumn, and great skiing in the winter. The locals are friendly, too. Instead of moving to Spain, with its wrecked economy, Britons will be able to move to two countries which have been far less adversely affected by the economic downturn due to their more conservative economic policies.
'I need to be sure about the figures before I make a pubic pronouncement,' The only public pronouncement the public want the hear, Mr Pickles, is that this government is going to say 'no more'. We may be in the EU but these are exceptional times. Surely some of the other member states must have concerns, or are they confident that the vast majority will come to soft-touch Britain? Mr Pickles, there are no jobs! Unfortunately this no longer matters as EU migrants are now entitled to receive the full range of benefits from the day they arrive, whether working or not. So hard-working taxpayers are expected to carry on funding anyone who turns up here. Our own children can't find housing, yet the government feels obliged to concrete over acres of the countryside to house those who have contributed nothing to the economy and probably never will. Clegg is always banging on about what is 'fair' and 'unfair', so perhaps he could explain how this is fair in any way?
Just say no, is it really that difficult?
I cannot believe that us being allowed to happen. How will we ever maintain our national identity. How we ever be economically viable with just a small minority of tax payers paying for them all. It's a nightmare
This needs to be stopped before it starts or it will be to late and we will be swamped
This legislation needs to be rethought very quickly. We need to accept that there is a difference between racism and immigration as this seems to deter lots of dialogue
We don't know how many will come, but you can be sure it will be far more than the Government estimates. It always is. In our present economic situation, we need to be doing something to prevent it. Yet another reason to vote UKIP - especially if you are on a low income.
He can never be sure of the numbers unless a limit is put on and we stick to it.
Utterly ludicrous decision that our government has gone along with - at a time of economic crisis, when we already have well over a million unemployed, when half of London is already foreign born and you are more likely to hear a foreign language than the native tongue, when rents are sky high and we are all facing cuts in benefits and pensions but hey, that's OK, let in another 500K, most will speak poor English and be unskilled workers and who will start claiming in work benefits plus child benefit etc the moment they get here. Let us not kid ourselves that these will all be highly skilled professionals when every other waitress/shop worker/street sweeper in London is foreign and usually Eastern European. Forget the fact that the vast majority of British people don't want any more large scale waves of immigration, that it hasn't worked and we are all poorer as a result as long as Dave and Nick can stay in with EU top brass to get their top jobs when they are booted out next election
The next influx of Eastern Europeans will cause problems. Just like the last influxes of Eastern Europeans. Band news. Stop it now. Vote UKIP.
This is just madness and it has to stop. We cannot cope with anymore immigration from anywhere. There isn't enough housing and we are only a small island. For god's sake Mr Cameron put a stop to this now, let us get out of the E.U.
If we got out of europe we would not have problem
>>>'We don't know how many people will come from Bulgaria and Romania': <<<....Too many, thats how many
What do you mean housing market? Are we really expecting any of these people to be buying homes? Don't make me laugh.
It's not just housing. What about education, health, welfare benefits and all the crime that will come with them. It's time this madness was stopped!!!!
The Romanians and Bulgarians will now undercut the Polish which will force many Polish and even more British out of work and on to benefits. Schools will be bursting at the seams with children who cannot speak English and hospitals will be pushed beyond the limit. I just do not see what good can come from this?!?! Why can politicians just not admit when they are wrong and prevent this madness? I think, just like last time, there estimates are way off the mark.
Great - we are cutting benefits to our own people then letting in this lot. I give up !
Easy shut the borders then there will be none, so no extra housing and nonextra cost in benefits we cannot afford when will the goverment stop all thesenpeople coming here and claiming benefits they have never paid in for
This country is a complete joke on so many different levels!!
Sorry but we really do NOT want all these people from Bulgaria & Romania. Please stop this. Just horrendous thought. We are over crowded already. My next vote will be UKIP.
I am willing to bet it will be more than you can count on the fingers of one hand !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For Gawd sakes you overpaid idiots at number 10.....Tell us something we don't know? Just put a hold on Immigration full stop! Then again divert them all to Brussels along with a few million already here sponging of us British Taxpayers!
And you don't really care, as long as it forces wages down amongst the many lowest paid, to increase profits amongst the few well off
Come here the land of milk and honey and its all free
Here we go again, we're off .But remember Cameron and co say it's good for us to be in the EU.
I know how many there will be - LOADS!
Well if you walk down the main high street in Reading, Berkshire during the week, you hardly hear anyone speaking English as a native tongue. How many more people can Britain have without losing our countryside?
If Bulgarian/ Rumanian come here, you need to ask why they come here, if they are working, they should have working visa.. if not.. they are illegal.. In every country if you want to go there and you want to work you should have working visa, but if you are as a tourist, that is different matter... again you still need to apply tourist visa, that showing how much money you have the money in the bank, and you able to support yourself, and not stay in this country. It won't be fair for people who are born here have to queue housing benefit, and people who just land they were provided without any single penny land in the government.
We need immigration control to prevent this from happening we don't have enough housing or jobs to go round. Houses are in short supply, the homless is rising, and unempolyment is at record high. I shall be voting UKIP next time as David Cameron the posh boys, Tories, coalition and Labour have all lost the plot. Tony Blair may have started all the immigratrion problems but there is no excuse for the Tories to sit back and do nothing.
If the government persists in giving free housing and benefits to everyone then of course people will come here. It is going to be far better than being in their home country. The solution is to only give benefits and social housing to UK nationals. For a country that can't take adequate care of it's own pensioners and those in poor health we shouldn't be taking care of any other nations.
Why cant the so called leaders of this country just say NO. BRING ON THE NEXT ELECTION
If these MPs know full well that by allowing these immigrants into the country they will cause problems then surely they have should have rules and regulations and conditions in place to restrict those who are not able to look after themselves including house themselves and their families if accompanied by them and by that they must be financially stable or have a job to go to. It makes sense surely.
Would my family be given housing and benefits if we decide to move to Bulgaria or Romania? Some hopes. Anyway, I noticed some young homeless British people sitting on the streets of Edinburgh late at night last month. How about looking after their interests Mr Cameron et al. The people in the UK lucky enough to have a job are fed up with their ever increasing compulsary tax contributions being abused.
You all know what to do. Leave, labour, conservatives and the liberals and join UKIP. The nation will change further if you don't. The liberals tend to live in areas that ar untouched by immigration. Perhaps they should try living in the cities and towns where English is the minority.
No matter where they come from, no one should be allowed into this country unless they have a firm permanent job to go to and a firm place to live. Furthermore they should sign a declaration that they will return home if the situation changes. On no account should they be allowed to "lose" their job after a few days and then sign up for the dole and housing at our expense.
Whatever they estimate - you can quadruple that number. Suggest mass building of prefabs like they did after WW2. Not very attractive true, but Britain stopped worrying about that years ago. Suggest putting the first lot of prefabs up in Bucklebury, Sandringham, Balmoral, on Kensington Gardens, in Windsor Great Park, and next door to the current and prior Prime Minister's and MP's home(s) as well as next door to the homes of all CEO's, Utility Executives, and the owners of companies that encourage this cheap labour under a zero end game called capitalism. Also, Can we have a public central list of all the vacant jobs these immigrants will fill? Or will companies simply lay off existing workers and then rehire at cheaper pay. Surely not ! Ha! Oh and we will need a few hundred people to volunteer to man the soup kitchens and the halfway houses - maybe the Royals and the politicians wives and their adult children would be good for that. Should lead by example after all. Thanks.
if we get a in/out vote of Europe i can tell you now how many more Romania's and Bulgarian's it will be ......zero as we wont be part of that money pit called Europe...... start listening to what the people want or get your JSA application form filled in
AAAARGGGGHHHH!!!!
UK is in trouble!!! Time to leave.
Un believable, more drains on our resources, the sooner we get a Government that represents the interests of the British people the better :-(
"He refused to say how many migrant workers were expected to arrive from the two countries" What he actually said on the Sunday Politics show this morning, with Andrew Neil, was that he had seen figures but was not convinced of their accuracy so had asked for a reassessment and until they had been reassessed he did not want to risk enflaming public anxiety on the subject unnecessarily. A sensible stance to take. Better than making up wildly inaccurate and misleading underestimates, as New Labour did with the Polish immigrants, just to sate the interviewer.
It's probably an underestimate... Free money has great allure,
Perhaps Obama will help out by offering them houses in America to honour the ''Special Relationship'' between our countries. Or Dave could get some new houses built on his and the Bankers grounds-are we are all in it together? Then the politicians wonder why we want out of the EU - time to count their brain cells.
..... Then shut the door? It is really that simple
Nothing wrong with free movement, the problem is benefits. Sort the benefits system out so they don't qualify - OR make benefits across the EU the same. Then insist on seeing proof of ability to support themselves before they come in. Problem solved - easy!
Cameron............we want a referendum NOW!
So what is this government going to do about it? Nothing. Just bury their heads in the sand and hope the country gets in such a bad way that everyone just leaves?????
We neither want them here nor need them, so don't encourage them by building houses for them and prioritising their needs!
We are all doomed for a life of poverty if we remain in the EU any longer !!!!!!!!!! Can't Dave Cameron see this ????????
More than you can count on one hand, Close the gates now
1000,s and 1000,s will be coming.It's not just housing it's the NHS the benefits system and everyone that now is trying to survive in the UK, that will suffer. Where is all the money coming from OH YES the tax payer, pensions and child allowance down grading.
it would be impossible to stop these people getting private accomodation but surely britain does not have to supply public housing.but then again-human rights etc.who am i to complain-i am only a skiving english born peasant who should know his place.quick touch of forelock to cameron and crew..
Pickles is THICK, everybody knows more than a million will arrive and most will be poorly educated. I feel sorry for our young people, Jobs will be even harder to get and like the Irish the cream of our Youth will have to Emigrate!
How long will Pickles wait, until we are all standing shoulder to shoulder? Get out of the EU now and close the borders, we coped before the EU, we will cope again.
There is already a council housing list, some people have been on it for years. How can any new arrival family be put before those on the list already. That's what breeds the massive contempt for mass immigration, and that's what is going to be the tinder for the massive civil unrest which is certainly bound to occur once this whole saga unravels.
We already have a good idea Pickles..most of them. Vote UKIP and kick the lot out before they get here, we are FULL.
The you should make laws that refuses benefits for non UK citizens.
Well do something about it. The country is crumbling already and the NHS, housing and benefits is severely struggling. Us taxpayers are forced to work longer, pay more in pensions, tax and NI to fund freeloaders from the EU who have NEVER contributed a penny. We will no longer suffer these austerity measures and pay for freeloaders, thus country will rebel by all means when it's own citizens can't get housing, healthcare etc
The arrogance of the man is incredible. First, he claimed he hadn't been given a figure by the Home Office and then he suggested that he had been but refused to reveal what the number was because he wasn't sure of its accuracy and didn't want to scare people. Let us be the judge of whether we should hear it or not and remember that you are there to serve us, not the other way around.
Oh, who saw THAT coming, eh?
OUR hospitals are groaning under the strain, our kids cant find jobs..........our elderly are neglected .......BUT COME ON IN WE'LL FEED AND HOUSE YOU, FEEL FREE TO USE OUR HOSPTALS AND CLAIM OUR BENEFITS".................oh yes we'd be mad to leave the EU!
Why should they get social housing? Why should we have to put up with that. I am voting UKIP. We need to get out of the EU. If we don't we will be even more swamped. I had an appointment at a hospital in Kingston in October and I had to wait 2 and a half hours to be seen. The reason. They had doubled booked everyone and a lot of them were not from here. I went home and did not see the Specialist. When I went back for the result the next time, he Doctor asked me why I had left. He said you should have told somebody. I said why it was not my fault it is double booked as we are now swamped with people from abroad.
when is ukip going to organise demonstrations against this insanity!
Will give a nice boost to house prices , particularly the BTL market
So Pickles mi old chum.... Get off your rear... Go over to the Home office... Get the border control people to ensure you know the names, addresses phone numbers, blood group, criminal record, debt, amount of money on each and every single one of them coming in via every port! You have time to prepare! GO RUN.... Hurry... Chop Chop!
Close our borders now!!
The UK will be totally finished when they arrive, watch, wait & see......or STOP them entry!
This morning's interview on the Andrew Marr show was the first time I've seen Eric Pickles look so overwhelmed and out of his depth. It's worrying, isn't it?
This makes me feel pyshically sick!
So STOP the influx, after all, you and your useless fellow ministers are HANDSOMELY PAID to protect our interests. Vote UKIP.
No problem, nowhere to live, go back. Simple.
Just say NO
Very worrying times ahead.....
Wow, thanks for that obvious point. Bit slow, as we've all been saying this for years. Referendum time Cameron. Vote UKIP.
We are FULL! Get out of this EU madhouse asap and do what everyone wants!
We already have a large advance party over here thanks to our weak borders no doubt gearing up the drive for homes and assistance to obtain benefits . GOVERNMENT IS CLUELESS IN THE UK .
No job, no house, no entry. That should be the policy for ALL trying to get into the UK and unless they can supply proof that they can support their dependants they are not admitted either.
our housing market will be under threat if they buy them...They are not entitled to any social housing, and should therefore be refused entry if they have no fixed abode to move into.
How many - too many! We already have more than enough pressure on our housing, hospital, schools and benefits sytem!
Yes Dave... we'd be really mad to leave the EU.
Probably the whole of both countries will come here. Can we please stop all this unwanted immigration from all corners of the world. We don't like it. You lot in government need to listen to the British people........otherwise why are you in government ?
If only Pickles was in government and in a position to do something about it; HANG ON!!!
+++European 'freedom of movement' rules will from 2014 give 29million Bulgarians and Romanians the right to live and work in Britain.+++Well, I say that we don't need any more workers, we have lots of people here who need jobs so why should we let these p
You never see anything comming untill its to late from your ivory tower Eric unlike the rest of us who already know what will happen, When will you wake up to the fact that we do not owe the ex eastern block nations our jobs , houses, benifits.and our precious space.That is why UKIP is speaks for us and not dithery Dave.
Not a problem,just advise all EU countries that due to an impending referendum no EU immigrants will be accepted until the date of the referendum and the result has been approved.
The irony is that Tony Bliar's gerrymandering from the last influx of immigration will probably be enough to ensure the Conservatives are never in Government again. Eric Pickles has double the incentive to close our borders and tell our real bosses in the EU to get stuffed.
So deal with it, you criticised the Labour lot the last time we faced this problem, money where your mouth is, not pies!!!
Out of the EU now! Vote UKIP!
ukip
Q: How can you have a country when you have no control who lives there and who takes up residence? A: You can't, you were never meant to.
If ever there was a reason for leaving the Eu,this is it,at a time when we have millions unemployed,welfare spending out of control,an acute housing shortage,overcrowded schools,a health service in crises,and a police force stretched to the limit.We then open the "legal" doors to more mass immigration,and invite people from a completely different culture to our shores,with the guarantee of housing and benefits,you couldn't make it up,except that,the likes of Nick Clegg and co think it is a good and moral idea.Why don't some of you question him about this on his phone in radio show,on L.B.C. on thursday morning?
I am sure our PC councils will have houses for them all
"...two million acres of British countryside would have to be developed to solve Britain's housing crisis - with half the demand coming from migrants"========= Reminds me of the song lyrics 'they paved paradise and put up a parking lot'. Come on UKIP - we need you to save our country because once it's gone, it's gone forever.
Bye bye England.
Britain might have exited the EU by then.
Yes we do. Lots. Welcome to the land of milk and honey. If you vote Labour, you support this.
We're all doomed, I say doomed! Vote UKIP.
If we denied entry none would come. But we haven't the bottle to defy the EU have we ???
When are we going to wake up and see how much strain this continued influx of immigrants place on our country. They are taking up our housing stock and have access to our medical and social system which was designed to benefit UK born citizens. Being in the EU is great but these immigrants go throuh the rest of the EU to get to our shores. Our equals in the EU such as Germany, France, Spain, Italy and the rest of the Western European nations did not head for the UK en-mass. Its all the immigrants poor countries that come here and are stripping our social system bare.
I would rather believe UKIP's assessment that 50%, or more, of Bulgaria's 29 million population live in abject Poverty. Why wouldn't they move to a country that will give them Free Housing, JSA, Tax Credits, DLA and etc., no questions asked? They cannot be stopped, refused entry, or refused the money. Another one of the great benefits of EU Membership. As soon as they get a house, they get the vote. Now you know why Call me Dave is not having the Referendum till 2015.
Well then, get some backbone for heavens sake and do something about it instead of just talking.This Government is completely hapless. It promised to deal with all this immigration and has done NOTHING. deal with your own people first. What a load of nitwits run our country. The sooner the election comes and rids us of this excuse for a Government the better.
Just what this country needs :/
For God's sake stop it before it happens.
Don't worry, our politicians will look after us ......Won't they ?
Pickles! STOP THIS NOW !!!
Just tell them we haven't got any and that they will have to buy one like the rest of us or go home, sorry but no free hand outs.
Put wood int hole then
Simple fix...no benefits for them. They'll find somewhere else to go then!
I am so happy i am emigrating to Switzerland at the end of this month - I leave you muppets and get on with it ......you don't have a clue do you?
Just say No ........how simple is that
Your comments:and he needs to be paid over 100k to tell us that
STOP this MADNESS and GET OUT of the CORRUPT EU.
In reallity, he does not know .. or care.
"If you folks think you have it bad, you should try sharing a 2000 mile boarder with Mexico. - Wildman, Atlanta US, 17/2/2010 4:18" Goodness! I had heard that you had some slightly overweight people out there but a 2000 mile boarder??? How do you manage to keep him fed?
Why keep blaming it on the eatern Europeans? Are they an easy scape goat becuase they are white and people are still scared of Labours racism stigma? At least these people come here to work and dont think to take over our country or blow us all to hell. - Matt, Refugee, 17/2/2010 7:32 I am afraid that the impression that many people have is that little by little the Eastern Europeans are indeed taking over the country. There are so many shops springing up everywhere in Central London catering for their specific requirements, many signs that are written in Eastern European languages only and my daughter and her friends are unable to find part time jobs as waitresses or in shops anymore to take pressure off their university tuition fees because these jobs are now all being undertaken by Eastern Europeans. Unfortunately many of the people who you refer to as wanting to 'blow us all to hell' are in fact British born - although their actions demonstate that they are anything but.
New Labours mantra should have been 'Immigration, Immigration, Immigration'!!! Brown & Co. better pray their immigrants stick to the plan and vote Labour because I never will again. The poor huddled masses of the world are not my social or financial responsibility!!!
i keep asking this queastion and im never given an answer,[what do we get out of immigration],,,one more thing dont forget the part the media are playing in this.mainly the bbc ,paid for by you ,i stopped paying the state media tax .you should all do the same.
Some of the posters here claim that all the immigrants should pay for health, education, housing etc from their own pockets and not from the tax payers` money. What you forget to mention is that vast majority of the Eastern European immigrants come to the UK, work and PAY THEIR TAXES. It`s funny how some people who proclaim the immigrants shouldn`t be here are the same people who might be immigrating to Spain, Australia, Canada, USA and where ever else they wish. Furthermore, those immigrating to a non English speaking country ususally cannot communicate in the country`s mother tongue (e.g. Spain) which is rather pathetic. Another issue is about the ignorance of some of the British people who do not realise that immigrants helped rebuild your country after WWII, that it was your empire that conquered so much of this planet using slaves and stealing all the resources in the conquered countries (like gold in Ghana for example). Stop being ignorant please.
Well,this is news.You would never have thought that allowing anyone to settle here with their families,would put a strain on our public services would you?All of them contributing taxes to pay for it too no doubt.What is amazing,is that in just 10 years NuLabour has managed to destroy our proud heritage,built up over hundreds of years of sound democracy and turned us from the envy of the world to a pathetic laughing stock.
Obviously - L Hacking, Manchester, 16/2/2010 16:17 is standing in for bob roberts. What a fine example from the book of Damien McBride. Ignore the fact that Labour has positively encouraged mass immigration whilst concealing it deliberately from the electorate. What sort of person would try to distract It appears that L Hacking believes the Tories are in government and can or insults our intelligence. Labour sycophants seem to only have only a tenuous hold on reality and only a passing aquaintance with truth. - oldun, London, 16/2/2010 18:05 No oldun - L Hacking would like to know why the immigrants are placed in towns and cities with the working class taking the brunt of the problem. I would like to see how the more opulent areas would feel if their communities were deluged with immigrants. Would they still be in favour of multiculture?
Try not making blanket assumptions about people who almost certainly came here to work. - Colin Runeckles So what if they came here to work? Those jobs belong to our own unemployed! Not ALL those on benefits are feckless! Many now find there IS no work for them! One local factory now has an estimated 70% foreign workforce while the unemployment queues lengthen, especially among the young, and the word is that there is growing bitterness out there. Our children are not advancing in school as they should, with the poor teachers struggling with multi-languages. How can they teach like this? Most often now, I have phone-consultations with my GP because the practice is so busy. This is wrong. Our own people's rights are being abused by Labour policy.
Why are only Poles and East European immigrants mentioned they are not the only immigrants coming to Britain and staying
Hopefully all you folks who are grumbling will remember to vote BNP at the next election
On the one hand the old Labour/New Labour hypocrites tell us to be 'greener', to use our cars less, to use less gas and electricity, to recycle more and produce less rubbish....then, on the other hand, they open the doors to thousands and thousands of immigrants...thus making our island even more crowded....leading to more houses, fewer green spaces, more cars, more consumer consumption, more gas and electricity and petrol usage, more rubbish etc etc....Labour's policies are, in general, so contradictory and stupid that only complete idiots would vote them back into power....(so that's why British education has been dumbed down so much under Labour/New Labour !!!)....
...or possibly an attempt by 'council chiefs' (who usually earn far in excess of what we pay the Prime Minister BTW) to deflect attention from their own inability to manage the money and run services properly...
The Government has lied and lied again about immigration. The Tories and LibDems remain silent in the face of these lies. How can anyone believe anything at all these people say, and that includes their constant dengration of the British National Party. It makes more sense to believe the opposite of what they say is the truth.
I support the EC and am fully in favour of European nations getting together and cooperating in all ways. The problem, and what REALLY annoys me is that if you go to Poland, France,Italy etc they just laugh at you if you try and get a free house,unemployment benefit,even a job!! It just aint going to work if there's no level playingfield.
Why are only Poles and East European immigrants mentioned they are not the only immigrants coming to Britain and staying
jenny jones, essex. TWADDLE!
I start work early each day, so my wife must take the children to school. This is the school that my wife attended as a child, attached to the church where her parents worshipped, she was christened, where we were married, where our children were christened and which we attend regularly. Our oldest child is in year 2 and his younger brother is in the school nursery, hoping to start at the school in September, but due to a large influx of Eastern Block immigrants, there is a good chance that he will not get into the school. If he does not get in, then our lifelong association with this school and church will be damaged and my wife will not be able to get both children to school on time, as they are both of ages where the parent must stay with them until school goes in.
cannot take something else strait a way) and claim benefit from jobcentre? Because I do not mind. He paid tax and I pay tax and I DO NOT MIND IF ANY OF THEM USE MONEY I PAID!!!!!!! It’s fine if pay money, yes?? Why we cannot use this money to send our children to schools? Why? If you do not want us here, then give us all our money(tax, PAYE etc we paid last years) and we can go to our homes. Then what? Who is going to cover big hole(black hole) in english budget ? Who? People from “different part of world” who come here just “produce” children and clime thousands benefit? Who tell me who??
Only I want to say to You all English if:if we immigrants have not pumped millions and millions, then you would have recession 4 years ago and it would be 10 times worse!! I have got a lot of friends and no one of them takes any benefits!! They pay tax, spent money on food, petrol and electronic device etc. giving job to you English people! Because you had to produce this goods sell them and delivery to us. Let’s go dipper, we give job to lowers, accountants etc. Now about me: I am civil engineer and I have small design office. I have employed 6 people(2 of them are English, because I need someone who speak fluent English – this is only the reason!). I pay £14,000 tax every single month this is not included what my employees pay! And I cannot use this money, because I work. Last 6 years I saw twice GP doctor and I was once stopped by police. How much did it cost? And question to you people! Do you mind if one immigrant from Eastern Europe lost a job (working last 2-3 years and can
I'am an immigrant looking after your disabled Mums and Dads in care home while you visit them once a year and while other British staff call sick after the night out in the pub.Working 12 hours shift for 6 pounds p.h Yes i do pay taxes.Anyone wants my job?
Labour have purposely flooded the UK with immigrants, we now know that they planned it that way, without consulting us. Migrants who come to this country to work with skills are a positive contribution. But we must be very selective here, like the points system that Australia uses. Britain is already a very crowded island compared to most other Western countries and thanks to 13 painful arduous years of Labour rule, sorry - ruin, it's getting worse. There is nothing wrong with barring would be migrants from entering Britain if they have no money to support themselves or skills that we need. It IS wrong to allow such people in, only to saddle the taxpayers with more debt. Try entering the USA (to live) with no job, skills or money. You won't see much of America apart from the airport before being laughed back onto the first plane out of there. Why are we afraid to be like that here?We as a nation MUST get real on this situation. David Cameron - be a grown up and deal with it please!
Labour is ruining my life. - Sarah, London, 16/2/2010 17:06 Labour areruining ALL of our lives!!
I heard that Labour were closing the borders and had put together a special task force to find all of the illegals and deport them, along with all of the dangerous extremists And then unfortunately I woke up.
It's quite obvious they aren't going home every time I go out shopping the person in front or behind is speaking a foreign language I feel like the foreigner
I think multiculturalism is a subject that needs to be tackled honestly and assertively to prevent civil unrest. On a personal note, my daughter did not get into any of the 3 primary schools I chose for her although I lived less than 5 minutes' walk away from the nearest one! Finally she was put into a school where 80% of her class (I do not exaggerate) did not have English as a first language. Most of the lessons were spent teaching the children basic English, my daughter could already speak fluent English from the age of two and her educational development started to go backwards! This despite the fact that my partner and I pay about £4k between us in taxes per month. Finally I got her into a school where 80% of the children did speak English, but this is over the other side of Bristol and puts a huge amount of time on our daily commute. My partner and I work hard, put a lot of effort into giving our daughter a good home life and have never existed on benefits. It seems unfair.
This is what comes with electing Stalinist clowns who are remote from reality.
You only have to walk down our town centre in the middle of the afternoon to see how many foreign workers have come to and stayed in our country.Just listen to the people speaking polish , Portugese , Lithuanian , Romanian , latvian etc. The local supermarkets have aisles of foreign brands and, cafes which are owned by foreigners have opened plus 2 specialist foreign food shops. Have the majority gone back ? i dont think so , and this is just in a smail rural town....
Like we didn't already know this - its like 'come to Britain and receive free everyting - housing, medical care, cars' - and again us as the British Born (not always proud to be British), taxpayer forking out. Why oh why have we such a bunch of spineless idiots running our country who couldn't see this before it happened I'll never know! This country is a joke and if it wasn't so difficult to emigrate to a country with a better standard of living/immigration control then yes I would be off to! Another reason for voting BNP me thinks - he'll be getting my vote!
The saddest thing of all is that if Woolas hears it - HE WILL TAKE NO NOTICE. He and his accomplices live in a world where they are protected from the effects and the costs of their policies whilst we suffer both. As long as he is politically correct he is content - and totally without interest in the plight of the populace.
Why are we letting in millions of immigrants when we cannot support them? It is unfair on them and unfair on the indigenous population.
Please don't call this phenomenon an immigration "Boom". It is not that at all. What it is, is an assault upon the people and the culture of this great country by an establishment made up of primarily Fabian conspirators.
"I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice" - Anon, UK, 16/2/2010 16:21 Well, "Anon", with the greatest of respect you will, as they say, just have to "put up and shut up" because it's no good looking to the Lib/Lab/Con/UKIP Alliance Party for any solutions. And if you cannot bear the thought of voting BNP then things will stay exactly the same. So either stay indoors and watch Corrie and Eastenders with a good pint in your hand, or emigrate.
I don`t get it why you people trying to put everyone to the same basket. I agree there is a problem with some immigrants, however most of us is paying taxes. Benefits? C`mon, you`re very lucky if you are a non-british citizen and receive one. Besides the lion`s share of us is working in jobs which don`t even want to be taken by English workers...
We are over crowded, definition that we would not be able to support ourselves in food as most of it is imported. I again will post the comment I made before. We have to look at what China has done. They support a family of one child only. We however, most probably could support the first 2 children in a family. If people want anymore babies then they have to finance them themselves including education and health needs. Due to the structure which Governments have designed to, the more children you have the more the Tax Payer has to find. Our family credit system actually is for the fat cats. A firm does not have to pay a livable wage because the Government will top it up if you have children. Therefore, Companies monies maintains the high earners, leaving the DIRECT labour force, who are the EARNERS in a firm having to claim benefits, if they can, instead of the companies having to distribute funds fairly. The absurdity of Governemet they tax a minimum wage
Its easy for people to say immigrants are using up Britain's resources blah blah blah but I am an immmigrant and I have worked in this country for years paying taxes and ni and i am not interested in claiming benefits. Do i want to claim benefits? No. Do i want a council flat? No. Do i want my children growing thinking its normal to not work for anything but feel like its owed to you? Hell No. I know thousands of immigrants who work double triple shifts and as a result you can imagine how much they contribute to the taxes in this country (which someone else is claiming in benefits). If there are deficits in spending or strain on schools etc, it is because of mismanagement of money and greed by mps and large amounts spent on the war in iraq.
Why are we calling it an Immigration Boom? Makes it sound like Britain is doing awfully well when it should actually be called Labour's Treasonous Social Objectives Agenda.
It's simple. In the early nineties Blair conceived and implemented a ''Floodgates Immigration Plan"' Ask Jack Straw. He was there. The spin liars were briefed to slap down anyone complaining about the plan - branding them racist. The true illegal immigrant population is at least 60% higher than any government figures. Blair succeeded. He's changed UK from its historic population and culture to the new polyglot, PC one. But, he got his sums wrong. The welfare payments in year 2028 will exceed govt revenues AND any covert govt borrowing. Therefore, expect Britain plc to be officially declared bankrupt in year 2029 I recommend either Qatar or Abu Dhabi.
The truth is that none of the main parties will do anything about it and, as a result, democracy is dead. When were the indigenous population asked if they wanted uncontrolled immigration? They weren't and one of the platforms that NL fought elections in 1997 was to enforce stricter control. This is one of the reasons that they were voted in with such a large majority, as the Tories had not got to grips with the problem. What a colossal lie this has turned out to be considering that the Government has let immigration rip to suit their own ends. How can the people regain the country from the criminal classes, otherwise known as politicians?
This rotten and treacherous zanuliebour government caused this immigration nightmare purely to get more votes from immigrants. This small country is overpopulated and now bankrupt. We must deport all illegals, reverse liebour immigration policy and withdraw from the EU dictatorship and restore democracy. Vote for UKIP or the BNP, they are the only parties that will address this issue. Bring down the corrupt lib/lab/con thieves and dictators.
The EU and the industrial elite want a mobile and flexible workforce, and a surplus of workers to keep negotiations for wages on the side of the employer. Britain as an island is idealy positioned to lead the way in sustainability. Aim for a sustainable population that we can feed and provide power and all the other necessary infrastructure for with as little essential imports as possible. But we know they don't want a country who doesn't rely on others, one which can break the ever tightening chain that binds and is stiffling our independence and freedoms, hence the advent of the EU and in the future further integration into larger unions until freedom is just a distant memory. Don't think for one moment Labour haven't thought through their immigration policy, they are commies, and international in nature, and Britain is just a small cog in their repressive and regulatory one world government agenda, and don't think the Tories or LibDems are any better. Vote sensibly.
i believe all parties should now discuss the immigation problem.It seems we have now had enough and although i accept there is nothing we can do with who is in the country now.We could stop all entry into Britain now,clean up our act and start over with strict rules on wanting to come to the UK
This problem is all the Governments fault introducing a policy which we had no say over about a multicultural society mix, as usual they donot bring any thought into how we are all going to pay for all these people entering our Country with schools and Nhs services stretched to the the limit and we are the ones who suffer, the likes of Cambridgeshire does not receive enough Government grants as it is and we have been stretched with the influx of immigrants into our County so we are the ones paying into the nhs system and paying our taxes and are receiving nothing in return. The influx needs to be stopped until the Country gets back on its feet and can properly sort out this mess!!!!!!
Are these the same town hall chiefs who have been insisting for years that immigration has 'enriched our lives'? Or did they go with massive golden handshakes before the truth was allowed to be told?
How can a country like ours plan cuts but still let more and more people in ,whomost likely not pay tax butget everything given to them . It has got to stop NOW . The first thing the next government should do is stoppaying any benefits toall the European immigrants including family tax credit , which gets sent to their own country .Also stop giving them free NHS legal aid and housing . Lots of them have got homes in their own country so basically we are letting them have second homes over here .Stuff what the EU masters say - the other Countries do and stop tax payers money being wasted on thosae who have 'nt paid a penny into our system . It's plain and simple for anyone who wants to move to our country - if you can afford to move into our country fair enough or have genuine skills - don't just think you can move over here and we'll give you everything . Try going to another Euro state or to another country and see what you would get there.
Everywhere I go to in this country people are complaining about the deteriation of everything from infrastructure, schools, hospitals, doctors services, including councils, I get told not to go into areas or places because of the conditions there, a programme on TV "the tower block of commons" gives an insight into what mass immigration and neglect has done and the effect it has on our younger generations, Woolas is either living in or talking about another country or he is another one of labours very acomplished lairs who actually believes the crap he spouts himself, we all know which one he is and know the gullibles will still turn out and vote for labour who if they do get in will definitely make sure this country goes beyond the point of no return.
why does enoch powell suddenly spring to mind?? i have no fear of saying there are far too many immigrants...the p.c brigade dont scare me
This is nothing new,we have known this situation exists for the last 10 years and we have all let it happen,there is no going back now.
The only way to fix this problem is to start repatriating the peoples that come to the UK to sponge off the state...we simply can not afford them. Remember they are guests and we have a right to end their stay if and when required. They can not expect a right of passage and get free handouts whilst at the same time putting the peoples of England, Ireland Scotland and Wales on the bottom of the housing, medial,schools lists.. What Nulabour has done must be seen as a criminal act against our country and should be reversed.
And most of them vote Labour. We need to remove a couple of million at least.
So the government tell us this is not so when we on the ground know damned well that it is so. What is more they - the government - probably have figures to prove it. Ever heard the phrase 'there are lies, damned lies and statistics'? This is the one area as far as I am concerned that the government truly do excel in. Can't believe a thing any of them say anymore especially now that David Taylor an honest politician has gone.
What do you expect after 62 years of uncontrolled immigration? What's worse is that the Tories were in power for 39 of those years and did NOTHING. And you're going to vote for them?
We have allowed this to happen. We have sat back and done nothing, scared to speak out in case someone from the PC brigage calls us racist. I am just as much to blame. We need to DO something before it is too late. Leave it much longer and the damage to this Country will be so great that it will never be the same again. It is not too late, there are still millions of Britons in this Country that still care. What can we do?
Brown must resign. Time we had an elected Government which protected the British culture.
I say shut the doors now. No more hand outs. Review all those that have come into this country and if they haven't got jobs and homes by now and are supporting themselves, then send them back to where they came from. For all of those wishing to come into this country in the future, they must have money to back them, a good education, receive no benefits/hand outs until they have worked for five years, that way they have put something into the pot, have a private medical insurance and can speak English. If they don't have any of the above THEN DON'T EXPECT TO BE LET IN
So, Enoch Powell was right all those years ago?
Look, can't we blame this on the 'odious' BNP, or UKIP, because it can't be the fault of any of the three 'major parties', can it?
immigration boom is stretching everything. We cannot accommodate all these people in the UK. Our lives are being reduce to third country status. We must reduce our population before we have more riots. Vote UKIP or BNP they are the only parties that will do anything.
Vote BNP they seem the only party prepared to sort this out!
Er, East Europeans aren`t the only mass immigrants.
The big joke is that the other parties have massively held back from ripping Labour to shreds over their social/vote engineering with immigration - because any immigrant would see that as an attack on them - and thus a vote loser. An effective, but deeply cynical strategy from Labour. I could never, ever vote for them again.
That's funny. I've been banging on about this for over 10 years.Does that make me smart? No. What does it say about our leaders though? This was an obvious outcome of an enlarged border free Europe (free movement of people and goods) and letting peoples from our ex colonies in with a free British passport and then not policing the rest of the immigrants from all over the world. The next obvious stage (to me) is when the infrastructure of the UK is totally overwhelmed, business and the economy totally depleted, and the identitiy of the population transformed - the UK will be a lot poorer and deeper in debt. Only when it is not a nice place to go will migrant workers and others cease to come ie when there is no money left to pay unemployment benefit or free NHS & when there are no jobs left. Let's face it - we're nearly there now!!!
This the madness of new Labour, if we were a large country like America with room to expand mass immigration would probably a good thing, but as we are a small island , now bankrupt thanks to new Labour heading in the same direction as Greece , Labours mass immigration policy certainly is a bad thing for every body.This is now country people want to emigrate from but thats not so easy , because the majority other countries have sensible immigration controls in place , probably because they care about their citizens and recognize the concept of nation state.
It's time. It's time for change. To the BNP for a real change.
Roosting chickens comes to mind. This Government has for 13 years been living in a sort of fairyland about immigration. In this fairyland immigrants flood into the country, they don't need houses, they don't consume anything or produce any waste, they never get sick, their children don't need schools, so consequently the government doesn't need to provide any money to local authorities. However In the real world local council tax payers have to pick up the bill and public services in some areas of the country are under severe and increasing pressure. The Nu Labour government has irrevocably changed the face of Britain and we never got a say in the matter. The immigration policy has just been one long catalogue of spin, deception and downright mendacity.
Teflon Tone, Two Jags, and Brown know full well what they are doing . At the election keep a close eye on those postal votes !!!!!
By standing by watching this happen and doing nothing, we are also guilty of a type of treason. So what to do? Could we not organise a united course of action...by everyone of like mind. THAT WE ALL WITHHOLD COUNCIL TAX Not to refuse to pay..but to withhold until the government submits, halts this destruction to our country and ejects all those who should not be here , who came by devious routes...and halts the grossly wrong handouts of tax payers' money to people people who have not, at least, contributed to the pot. This is really something we could do..if our hearts and minds were firm.
I hate the expression, "undeserving poor", though God knows there are enough who match that description. Being poor, and needing assistance, is not /a priori/ an indication of indolence. If you think that it is, or prefer that there should be no safety-net, go live in America. That said, it's pretty hard to deny that there are too many immigrants who are a net drain on the national economy. It is unsustainable, and it makes no sense to pursue such policy - not even if one believes that there is a cynical agendum of creating an oversupply of unskilled labour for the purposes of driving down labour costs. I never voted Tory in my life, but I would this year. As it is, the Tories likely stand little chance of winning Cambridge, so I'll vote LibDem to keep Labour out. Bring on a decent system of proportional representation.
The damage these idiots have caused will never be put right.I have to say that the UK and Europe for that matter is ruined.The poor masses are squeezed to the limit.As the saying goes"even a worm will turn" it won't be long before there is a revolt.
This is the fault of the Labour government for being Blind as to what will happen and DID happen. Shame on them.
We can do nothing about this whilst we are in the EU. The Politicians unlawfuly gave away our right to stop it.
Tell us something we didn't know..all theses think tanks such as civitas etc. why don't they just ask the ordinary indigenous man in the street and they can tell you what really happening, I find this article patronizing , immigration is always on the agenda in the run up to any election, and whoever gets in be it labour or cons they will always spout a load of old tosh about immigration and once in power will do nothing about ... Time for a radical change in the government of this country
and we've only just realised this????
What about all the tax money that's been paid in by immigrants who only came to work in the uk for a short period and went back without taking anything aut,and filled in all the unwanted jobs!
Apart from the fact that Immigration should have stopped decades ago, we are not selective enough in those admitted thus, the lowly educated persons admitted are usually accompanied by large numbers of offspring plus, their dependant relatives - all a drain on our welfare and social services which, in turn cannot assist our remaining minimal resources!
Makes me just want to rush back NOT but they won't want me as i work and pay taxes and wont vote Labour !!!!!! Or for that matter TORYand LIB Dem Can some one start a political party that will stand for what are Fathers and |Grandfather fought for !!!!! Labour have sown the seed for the ruin of the UK Im sure they have feathered their nests so thay can move abroad when they get kicked out !!! Big Changes are needed but i think its to late
Please tell me which political party has vowed to put an end to all but essential immigration and I will put my X alongside their name.
We are being systematically replaced with cheaper, foreign, alien peoples. The politicians and bankers do not believe in Britain or its people; they have sold all our industries: Jaguar, landrover, Corus steel, Cadbury's, Pilkington Glass. they sold our national water and electricity infrastructure to the French, the Germans . . . they sold our airports to the Spanish. They sold our cod, herring, mackerel, plaice- to the Danes, the Spanish, the Dutch and the Russians. Even worse, they stole our pensions and exported the cash via the banks to China and India - to set up car and steel plants to manufacture all these things - then sold them back to us here in the UK. 'Globalisation' is ASSET STRIPPING and selling to the highest hidder on a global level. They have sold our cars, our steel, our energy, our fish, our jobs, our hospitals, our schools, our houses. They are not going to stop until nothing is left. We had best fight now or soon it will be too late.
libour is not bothered they do not have to send their children to these schools all they whant is the votes vote them out the others are just as bad
Are we to understand that the economic miracle that mass immigration has brought us, according to this Labour government and anyone else convinced of the superiority of left wing thinking, has not been able to provide for the inevitable burden that was to beset our public services. Perhaps when the great and the good of the left wing heroes of social engineering are standing in queues, along with the newly trained queuers from around the world, with a bucket in hand to collect water for their CO2 freindly homes, they might want to reflect on their wonderous experiment with this country's society. Perhaps they might just come to agree with us morons who have been warning of the forthcoming collapse in, not just hospitals and schools, but water and power supplies. No doubt the government is still in denial about this and will come to the conclusion that it's just another evil BNP plot to take over the world.
I don't think anyone believes a word Phil Woolas says, he and his government have been lying about statistics and massaging figures for years. I only have to visit my local city to see how immigration has impacted on this country. It is no surprise that local services and the NHS are struggling, but that won't impact on our elitist ministers and quite frankly they don't care about the indigenous population anymore - they are purely the cash cow to pay for their policies.
This has got to stop now Close our borders and dont let anymore in This country is at breaking point The working class have had enough of topping up money for immigrants to have. We would all like a 2 million house, shop at Brand name shops. Enough is enough Elizabeth
Perhaps Tower Hamlets council could give the £1.85m to the health service or education authority rather than the planned 'hijab' arches in Brick Lane!
so much for New Liebore`s education policy about " education education education" With 54%n of the pupils not able to speak english in schools in some areas how does Ed Balls propose to educate them without it costing more to other parents in one to one tuition etc??? It is hard enough for children to grasp the 3 R`s without having to learn english as well. Someone somehwere will suffer for this and guess what it will be the tax paying hardworking families and New Liebore will suffer in the election results--they should be ashamed of what they are putting families through.
This is not an immigration boom it is a disaster and it is not over yet, migrants should not be allowed into the country unless they can prove that they are capable of supporting themselves before entry is allowed and they sign a declaration that they will not expect benefits or use of public services for free. If you migrate to Canada they will make you sing such a undertaking but i dont think that our dictatorship of Brown and his criminal cronies would like it as they prefer migrants to there own people.
when will the govt tell us something we dont already know??--this country is ''sinking'' due to LIEbour,,immigration has RUINED our country,,it doesnt take a genius to see--and there arent any in govt!!!--just thieves,liars and cowards!!!
All members of the Blair and Brown administrations are traitors and should be dealt with as such.
"Please can we do the following:- 1) Close the doors on any more immigrants wanting to enter 2) Only let people that have lived here five years and paid into the system take anything out 3) Make people who enter this country pay for their health, education, children and housing out of their own money not tax payers of this country I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice" I'm not in favour of the BNP either, but there IS a very active political party that has the above points, almost exactly, as its election platform. I know I'll be voting for THEM in a few weeks.
It is time to call a complete halt on immigration for at least 5 years. Pity this Government has surrendered all control over immigration to the E C and has not control whatsoever on those com,imng from Europe. It is also time that no local authority should have to pay additional costs for education, etc., for foreign students who should be paid for entirely by central governmentso that the figures cannot be fudged. No costs for transalation of documents or for dealing with children with no English should be paid for by local authorities who should be forbidden to make any accomodation for foreign citizens. Petrhaps themn Labour would own up to its policy of changing the UK
This flood of immigration has long been the principal cause of most of the country's problems. A huge and fecund migrant population will: 1. Stretch our education, health and welfare system to breaking point 2. Place unbearable pressures on our housing policies so we see more and more of our countryside (and our food producing areas) swallowed up to house this generation of immigrants and there progeny. 3. Destabilise our cultural and historical base by creating ghettos of immigrants who have no desire or intention of integrating into Britain and its culture 4. Cause social tension and encourage violent crime 5. Cause massive job shortages and resentment as immigrants are seen to take more and more jobs 6. Place an intolerable burden on the wealth generating sectors of the UK as more and more immigrants take up government created public sector jobs, This is not a Rivers of Blood statement, it is one of simple arithmetic and common sense.
Anybody surprised? How you can open the doors to everyone without thinking about how the national health service etc., will cope, is beyond me. Sounds like a repeat of Blair and Bush when they jumped up and down in joy at having won the war with Iraq but had made no plans for the aftermath. Unknowingly we've been voting for brainless politicians. All MPs should be made to have an intelligence test and if they don't pass they should be sacked.
The British Identity is long gone. Ruined by this Labour bunch of thickos. It's too late I'm afraid.
The great labour legacy, social engineering lunacy. Change or Ruin.
We have to push the government not the folk already in this country. They're here because the borders were down,they don't deserve benefits,but neither bad treatment. By the way,the system has been already on its limits even before this huge mass rushed into Britain,thus worse than ever now. Politicians has shown to have a second plan behind those plans presented on the news. Im not anti government,im just pointing who's indirect cause of the problem. See countries like Austria?I guess immigrants just don't get there and settle in a £££ flat, and procreate,doesn't work like that.What's wrong in UK following some good examples out there?Too much pride?What's going on? Politicians doesn't read this comments, if they did, they'd know how to work for the people like they always say before being elected.
Dear British you were the only country in Europe to allow Polish straight away, without any restrictions.......they were usefull, they were cheap ..... Now you pay the price sorry,,,,,
You can't have it both ways. Why complain about immigrants contributing to the economic boom and filling skill shortages during good times and demanding they leave during a downturn. Who exactly is going to do the skilled jobs. I don't remember zero unemployment even in the false boom of the last decade. Look at this message board and the diverse countries contributors are now living in. I bet those countries don't have a problem accounting for who is in their country. Blame the government for shoddy accounting, not those who are willing to come here to work!
Here we have local councils of areas where these immigrants are still pouring having to fund services for them and stating that they cannot cope, and at the same time we have the fellow clown woolas following his lying boss and saying that all the eastern europeans have all gone back to their own countries, based on the form of the brown government I know who I believe.
Dear British you were the one in the first place , the only one in Europe with Ireland to open your doors wilde to the Polish. Sorry but you that is what you get, if you leave your borders open
My husband works in a once family business where all the workers came from the UK but now he is of a minority because most of the workers are from Poland. One of them went home and took all his money with him, but now he needs more money, so he contacted the boss of the company and asked for his old job back, and guess what he got it. What happened to British jobs for British workers?. Our son works in construction and cannot find a job because the companies employ the EU workers because they do it for less, he gets very angry because he is not allowed to work on site without a health and safety certificate but once again some of the EU workers don't have them and a lot can't even speak English. Yes some do go home but for every 1 person who goes home 2 more come here.
I'm sure Tony Bliar would like to donate some of his ill gained fortune's toward the mess he has created in England.
Er, BNP could have told you this and stopped it 10 years ago!!
And who do we thank for this situation, HEATH, BLAIR, BROWN. Welcome to the benefits of EU membership, and the gutless denial of a referendum.
Of course we know this and the govenment dont care....but we are a people can do something about but we dont. True to English style, the English just sit and moan at home and dont do anything about it.....get you acts together we have an election coming up....
This is the land of milk & honey? With almost 3 million unemployed!!! Yet still the poles & eastern europeans come!!! Enough is enough!!!
And I have said for some time that "Diversity" in schools is holding education back! The crazy Government is asking too much of their teachers there is no way they can be successful catering for all their different pupils no matter how simple it might first sound. The idiots we call " Government" had not thought it through...raced in blindly to appease ..........hoping now it will settle and sort itself out. Well it HASNT and there is worst on the horizon!
All grist to the BNP mill I think.
Speaking of Peterborough City centre where I did work recently, it seemed that every other couple or group that I passed in the street was speaking a foreign tongue.
I applaud the people on this sight that have finally woken up and realised that the lab/co/lib alliance will do nothing about immigration or immigrants currently living here, but to the people that come on this sight and moan on about immigration and its affects on our country I say this "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT ,KEEP VOTING FOR LAB/CON/LIB AND WAIT ANOTHER FIVE YEARS TO COME ON HERE AND MOAN OR ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE HAVE COME TO REALISE AND VOTE B.N.P . Even if the B.N.P win a hand full of M.P's the political classes will be fighting like cat and dog to address immigration,because they will not want to loose their place on the gravy train ! " COME ON WAKE UP".
The only people who DON'T see the problems are the very people who opened the flood gates...........
We have two duties with anyone who wants to come here; 1 Lerrum settle 2 Meet all their needs We've got better at number 1 since 1997 but we still need to work on number 2. Celebrate diversity. Immigrants enrich the culture and add to the economy. They must do or else why would we allow them. Right? Right?
what lies from the Town Hall Chiefs our glorious leader GB has stated that immigration is not a problem but a realadvantage to the economy and an even bigger advantage to his personal esteem and of course to New Liebours election chances.
Now is the time to stop it and sort out the people who are not supossed to be here it looks to me as this country is the dust bin of the world there must be big adverts some where "come to the UK we will give you a house and benifts as soon as you arrive" its getting out of hand not time sonthing was done for the TRUE Brisitish people I worry about my grand children futer in this country what is there going to be for them when they grow up?
Who do you think is going to suffer if this is so? of course! the people who are less able to pay for private care and schooling etc! the article says" the cracks are beginning to appear" well no one is surprised at that!! the jolly chaps in Westminster are all certainly in private health schemes and the majority have never sat in a general hospital waiting room, or in a corridor, where if you are lucky the tea machine works! also where everyone speaks different languages and you can see the discontentment that exists between these patients! I personally do not care who treats me, and admire all hospital staff tremendously! but it is nice to see a friendly face when you are in this situation! I am a regular visitor to several hospitals,mainly for check ups, I can tell you that it is obvious now that the future of our health service is in the hands of people who do not know what I am talking about! and why should they? their bread is buttered and it's just an exercise on paper to them!
A friend went into a primary school where half the children were polish in her class and interpreters are having to be financed..it is criminal..but it is true the givernment do not care..we are 178 billion in debt..we know who not to vote for but cameron must do something to stop our country being taken .
I have been saying for years that our schools, NHS, police and housing have been inundated with problems from unregulated immigration both legal and illegal. What happens when they all get to pension age and they have never made any contributeds into the system? This government seems intent on destroying this country. We have seen the closures of PO, police stations, libraries all because money is needed to give to immigrantes. Border Force is a joke, they catch people who have obviously entered the country illegally and who are then told to report each week but who then disappear. Time to get tough seeing as we are now in dept to the tune of billions. Thanks labour.
for as long as we the tax payers pay out for immigrants to choose their own mansions to live in and as long as we pay out millions of pounds to them in unearned benefits and familly allowances ,free health care, clothing and everything else, these people will continue to come to this country. They should not be given any benefits until they have paid income tax for at least two years and without a sponser they should not be allowed into this country, no money to support themselves,and /or no visa they should be put on the next plane home, break the laws then deport them along with their families but as long as we have the libreal minded quangos and commitees and this goverment who are frightened incase they 'offend' ,things will contiue to be as they are.We are the only country in the western world to allow such things and until it is altered things will stay and continue as they are.
immigration is the problem.....BNP is the solution
The joke is most people knew this years ago. But we are bound and gagged into silence by the Labour gang. Not racist; just my honest opinion. Then the idiots wonder why people are turning to the BNP and like.
If you vote Li/Lab/"Con" servative/Kip you will be voting for your own extinction, which leaves you only one real choice to end this madness.
We are all wasting our breath, the government does not want to listen.
at least the poles do come here to work and pay tax in to the system as well as increase pressure on local services. the main problem is that there is no reliable record of who comes and goes or where they are.
We're the only country that let them all pile in. This country sucks, give it a few years and even they won't want to come here because it will be so c**p!!!
It's what the people voted for, three times in ten years
As I am aware of , you only can live in another EU country when you can support yourself. It means also, that for NHS services will be paid by them. Why, I ask me, is the NHS crackling?
If they can't speak English then let them go, do not treat them do not help them at schools do not help them fill out the benefits forms or any other form that gives them FREE services or money and THEN they will go home, this must be the only country in the world where we put our self out to help those that do not give a damn about us
stop handing out our money to benefit scroungers. ..... no workie....no money.........., no freebie...no likey ....!!! PROTECTIONISM. thats whats drawing me to the BNP. i'm not a rascist, i'm a protectionist.
just go for a walk around leicester town center any morning spoken english is now a minority language
Just about everyone with an IQ saw this coming. Some people declared that it was part of labour's plan and it really started to look like they were right. Now we hear that yes, it was their plan all along to open the gates, lie about the figures and call anybody who objected a racist. Now someone explain to me which part of that isn't treason. And why Blair and Brown aren't facing charges.
Doesn't this go to prove to this CRACK POT GOVERNMENT of our's that:- " YOU CAN NOT GET A PINT IN A GILL GLASS " there perhaps NOW THEY WILL SHUT THE DOOR TO ANY MORE IMMIGRANT'S COMING TO THIS OVER CROWDED COUNTRY OF OUR'S (And REPEAT OUR's ) Possibly they might LISTEN because with it affecting SCHOOL 's a place of learning the GOVERNMENT MIGHT and I repeat MIGHT themselves learn some sense, if that is at all possible. We know this & have done for a long time. The government also know this but don't care ! - Mac, Lancs, 16/2/2010 16:35 YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN MAC of Lancs!!!!!! THE TROUBLE IS THE GOVERNMENT DO NOT LISTEN AT ALL AT WHAT THEIR VOTING PUBLIC THINK,- - - THAT is why I hope, along with lot of the electorate (who would normally be Voting LIAR-BORE )- - - VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT AS THE BRAINS TO LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND AND MAKES THIS COUNTRY TO BE A COUMTRY TO BE PROUD OF.
Stupid E.U. joining Germany together sucked the money out of West Germany. Yet they have expanded East at a cost to all of Western Europe . Beware and be very afraid if they let a very large and backward country that is only a tiny bit even in Europe join then any problems now will fade away in a tide of "now " legal arrivals.
The ordinary man & woman has known this this for a long time, to say anything we have been branded racist. Schools have been flooded with pupils who cannot speak English, achievement levels set for school, making life for the teacher's impossible. This Alice in Wonderland thinking from our politicians has ruined this Country.
Surprised? Anyone with any common sense could see this coming. That is anyone but our useless, incompetent labour government and their sycophantic supporters.
But immigration Minister Peter Woolas insisted: “The number of Eastern Europeans arriving in the UK is increasing and the number coming here to work is falling.” Hmmmm…. Kind of makes you wonder why they’re coming here, then. eh..!! It can’t be for the climate.
Remember Enoch Powell
'Thousands of migrants are not being counted because of the flawed population methodology used by the Office of National Statistics.' But Immigration Minister Phil Woolas insisted: 'The number of Eastern Europeans leaving the UK is increasing and the number coming here to work is falling.' LIAR; LIAR; LIAR. MASS-ARRESTS of this bunch LIARS, CHEATS, THIEVES CRIMINALS ,TRAITORS, is the only solution to what they've DONE to ENGLAND.
Well DAVE here is your manifesto for you, STOP ALL IMMIGRATION NOW, GET OUT THE EU NOW............save on paper 1 page and your the new PM, but of course you will not say what the people wan't,.......BNP for me, i have had enough.
Why are the Poles and E Europeans getting blamed here? They come here and work to do the jobs that the lazy dole queuers dont want to do. These people will clean offices, wait tables and work in kitchens - - - which is obviously below many British citizens on hand-outs. They also pay there taxes and are generally good people and it's about time they stop getting blamed for all of these. If there were no jobs in UK they wouldnt come . . . but lazy Brits at home on the dole are the reason they are here. Fix the cause and not the symptom
I'm sure some of our multicultural immigrants live upfront lives, work, pay taxes and contribute to society. Isn't it time you Brit people stop listening to fraudulent spin, and open your eyes long enough to realise that your government has shafted not only you but future generations? And some still have the audacity to combine Great and Britain in the same sentence.
Whats the point...no one is listening......eventually the island will sink under the weight....extra people and obese people and then we can start again.
Jail the Labour Loonies who made this possible
I'm voting BNP as they are the only party that support US, not the immigrants. Enoch Powell predicted this many years ago. Should have listened to him. Close the borders and remove the immigrants and their huge families that are not entitled to be here.
Why keep blaming it on the eatern Europeans? Are they an easy scape goat becuase they are white and people are still scared of Labours racism stigma? At least these people come here to work and dont think to take over our country or blow us all to hell.
The solution is easy. 1.Tighten our immigration regulations. 2. ENFORCE THEM!
Don't worry. The Home Secretary, Alan Johnson, said he's not lying awake at night worrying about the UK population heading towards the 70.000,000 mark. So we have about eight or nine million to go. Bring 'em on. Gormless Gordon and his government treat the British public with utter contempt. Labour has failed miserably. Not only on immigration but also the economy, pensions, education, the NHS, the justice system and the police....to name but a few.
Close the borders now. Ask everyone who does not have paperwrok, politely, to leave. Those that don't leave will be found and escorted nicely to the borders, where they will have to work their way back after 5 years and attaining a degree in a proffession too few people have-skilled workers are always useful. COuncil tenants and socail security spongers should get college and job training places, in all kinds of careers, there are so many opportunites to start new proffessions and so many areas that need work- gardens in public places, children that need childminders for working mothers, construction jobs, subsidized by training schemes- work in training etc., Beautification schemes, keep fit schemes. Nobody needs to sponge off the state, nobdy REALLY wants to do nothing, and there are too many immigrants using the stretched resources. Time to get Britain back with it's people.
So why don`t they move these immigrants out to the lovely quiet little village areas and disperse the problem throughout the country instead of overcrowding our towns and cities.. Could it be that the Tories don`t want them in their own back yard? Surely they would welcome a little enrichment.....No? - L Hacking, Manchester, 17/2/2010 3:17 Actually no we wouldn't I have a country house in the UK and we don't want any riff raff ruining the locality including English riff raff.
and what is Mr Cameron going to do about this appalling influx of people to our small island? Yet again he will pander to soundbites and actually do nothing. He's begining to look like a loser with no guts, no balls and no policies. When will he understand why he's only marginally ahead of the even worse liebour party? Who will save our country?
Liblabcons will never have the courage to change the immigration policies to any significant extent. Now will they have the courage to address issues such as crime, EU membership costs or needless wars. If we want to see any real change in our society we need to vote BNP.
Other cities have the same problems.
Stop loading the ammo in the BNP gun you fools. So in your world its fine if you want to move to Spain or Portugal but if your an eastern European with good skills its too bad your not allowed here. I hate to say this but we are in Europe and these people are allowed to come here and work as we are to go there and do likewise.
We all pay the same taxes and bills as you english do!!! so dont treat as like something worst than we are.
Well now, there´s a surprise: government ministers saying one thing, and the people on the ground, who know, saying something quite different. It was a blinding glimpse of the obvious that this would happen but NuLabour, hell-bent on social engineering at any cost, chose to disregard it. No the chickens - and the bills - are coming home to roost. Pay attention Mr Cameron.
People seem to think that Liebour have been in control of immigration, the sad fact is they havent and have never had a will or a way to impose any controls without contradicting their racist agendas! Liebour have lurched from one crisis to the next with little clue as to what to do other than knee jerks spin's! The sorriest bunch of "dumbed down" politicians in the history of this country have allowed this to happen, soon we will be rid of them for good I hope!
"Town hall chiefs yesterday condemned the Government's immigration figures, saying high and uncounted numbers of new residents are putting too much strain on services. A string of local authorities said few of the 1.5million Poles and other Eastern Europeans who came after 2004 had gone home." And, how long have many of us been saying this on this and other threads for the last 4 or 5 years?
Well stop moaning and just take to the streets to protest like other countries would . We are too laid back in this country we moan but do not do anything about it. I bet none of yoy lot have joined the BNP or even looked on their website.
They claim child benefits while they're working here - which are sent back 'home'. Then, when the work dries up and they go home, they STILL get the benefits. And they're talking about stopping winter fuel payment to paid-up, ex-pat pensioners who managed to escape?
The government don't care about anything, not even employment. We have been in a recession for ages now and the government has done absolutely nothing about it. All these high executives are getting bonuses and the banks are getting bonuses and the government is just letting it all happen. The government does not care about this country anymore.
I feel constrained to follow the example of the British Sikh who recently jointed the BNP. Like him I simply do not see any alternative .....I do not trust any of the main 3 parties on this (or other) issues, and I am sick of seeing this proud nation being devalued and my grandchildrens birthright being compromised on the alter of the multi-cultural lie. Woolas is a left wing fool who appears more than happy to let a multitude of benefit hungry dross into this country, and yet had the nerve to try and prevent a small number of honourable people like the Ghurkas from entering, despite the fact they had risked their lives in service to the nation. As such this silly little man has NO credibility whatsoever and, particularly following the LGA advices, anything he says cannot be believed. But he is still there ............
Well, I think people know who do vote for to put a stop to the invasion by now don't they. They need to be quick before English becomes a language spoken only by the native minority in places like London, Birmingham and Leicester.
May I just thank all of you who voted Labour these past three elections. Take a bow,pat yourselves on the back and savour the part you have played in bringing Great Britain to it's knees. You have been party to uncontrolled immigration that can never,ever be reversed. I have watched in despair since 1997,knowing from the last strains of things can only get better,than we would end up here,where we now are. Labour always bankrupt,maybe that's why they have abolished history,just in case anyone learns from it.
will the last english person to leave please close the door and switch off the lights and leave quitely thank you
Will someone please vote for a party that sorts out this mess once and for all. Cameron and the conservatives only want to put a cap on those entering from outside the EU.....It is those from Eastern Europe INSIDE the EU that are now swamping the UK!! and they are NOT going home! Why would they when our government gives them more than they could even dream of back in their homelands, at the expense of the British people!! The BNP have now proven themselves to be open to ethnic membership, proving they only have the UK's interests in mind. Even if we put them in for one term, 4 years, they will sort out the immigration catastrophe once and for all. Ultimately it is the knock on effect of immigration that is destroying this country from jobs and schools to health and local services. We must act now to save us all from more of this madness.
Gordon, Wos about us mate ? My proposal: Bring back the crime of treason
I object to having to go through 'EU citizens' passport control.
Do you not realise the most basic fact? Britain is now paying the price for riding roughshod over much of the world, colonising it, calling it their own, imposing their rules and languages on third world nations, taking their pick of the local populations to take home as slaves? You lot would have been the first to support the British Empire in its day, and would happily have made the most of the opportunities for Brits in the Raj, and colonial Africa & Asia. Do you really think the government choose to have things the way they are regarding immigration? Of course not, but their hands are tied. The European Union and the legacy of colonialism have made Britain what it is today.
i work for morrisons at a huge new distribution site and on my nightshift i do i as an englishman are a minority on this shift.it is 80% eastern european and 20% british i am truly disgusted at this.our country is in a complete shambles. the eastern europeans spend hardly any money in this country only the bear essentials and the rest of their money goes into eastern european bank accounts so how does that help our economy? 2.5 million unemployed in this country and how many would it be if we sent them all packing? not very many.i feel like a stranger in my own country now and it is certainly not great britain anymore..time to listen to your people mr brown and do something about it!!!
The Poles in particular are flooding and have flooded in. Many of them go straight onto benefits. If we don't put the BNP in government for just 4 yearsto sort out the immigation issue once and for all, this country will sink further down the toilet than it already has.
The BNP have nothing but concern for Britain and its values. They have opened their doors to ethnic membership and want only what is best for Britain. Cameron and the conservatives will continue with immigration...do not be fooled. Cameron wants to put a limit on immigration from outside the EU only. It is those from inside the EU that are now swamping the UK! For 'swamping' read Eastern Europe! The BNP are the only party who bring immigration levels down to something that is sensible.
If you folks think you have it bad, you should try sharing a 2000 mile boarder with Mexico.
I worked in Poland as an expat some years ago. I paid my taxes and had private medical insurance. When I lost my job and tried to claim unemployment benefit - they laughed at me and told me to go home!!! When I politely inquired about what sort of pension I could expect when I reach retirement age - they nearly fell off their chairs!
It's taken how long for some bright spark to realise this? Just ask the people living amongst all these immigrants and they would have been able to tell you this years ago. I wonder how much this has cost the taxpayer to come to this conclusion?
Britons own form of ethnic cleansing thanks to the liebour party.
I would never have guessed!!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome to England in the Dark Ages,plague,pestilence,over crowding,poverty.Marvellous what Gormless has achieved.His goal is to make every one subservient to him.Soon he'll be calling himself King
And here is a simple plan to solve it. 1) No benefits unless you have paid in for at least 5 years. 2) No translators, if you cannot speak English then learn at your expense not ours. 3) All state schools to adopt a policy of English only, no other language is acceptable. 4) All immigrants are last in the queue for housing. 5) All asylum seekers to be housed in one block with basic accommodation, they represent themselves no free legal help, asylum not granted then deportation within 24 hours. 6) No work permits issued unless you have a job to go to. 7) Only those with skills that are needed will get a visa all others will need to deposit 25k pounds in a British bank before being given a visa. The above will reduce immigration to a trickle overnight.
Hardworking taxpayers of the UK, I have a suggestion for getting some of our money back from these creeps who refer to themselves as politcians, sirs lords, right honourable members etc. Whenever any such person puts their property on the market, for instance the Blairs with their apartments in Bristol, "SHOW NO INTEREST", if you feel strongly that you want to buy, offer a quarter of the asking price and no more, the property is only worth what someone is prepared to pay for it, if there is no one interested then we can render their property portfolios "worthless". It was reported that G Hoon has a property portfolio of over a £1million again lets render this portfolio "worthless". When they retire from office on their platinum pensions all trades people, plumbers, electricians etc charge them 50 times the going rate for the job, lets give them some of their own medicine, and hit them where it will really hurt their pockets. They have allowed this crazy immigration policy.
The government might learn a lesson if everyone went on strike and refused to work to get benefits. Who would pay to support us then? The MP's? Doubt it. Unfortunately I think the main reason immigrants are treated like royalty over us is because they will ensure votes to the parties who give them privilages. What a way to run a country. We really need to rise up and chuck them out of government and rule this country the way we want, and as it should be. But of course we'll all just sit here and complain about it online instead. We need radical reform!
Someone should ask Phil Woolas how many students are being allowed in with accompanying families. Many large families are arriving particularly from SE Asia. Then they are allowed to stay legitimately for three years after finishing their studies. Apart from pressure on our public services, they are taking much needed places at universities from our own youngsters, and then providing competition in an already hard pressed jobs market. Our taxes are funding all this but no one asks if we regard the policy as fair and equal for our own citizens. I thought equality and fairness were top of the wish list for this hapless government.
Well STOP letting them in then. Duhhh
Immigration should be stopped for 10 years at least. All of this is Labour's doing. A saboteur could not have done a better job.
I was in the UK in 2007 and I would like to know what is the national language of the UK? It certainly is not English. I am sure that in due course the national language of "europe" will be either frenck or german. Stop immigration now and collect information on everyone as in the doomsday book. I am sure that it would highlight the differences between what the government are telling you and what reality is. Yet another reason to opt out of the EU. Good Luck.
Do a Brown, increase the council tax another thousand a year. You voted his party in, now pay. Stop complaining, hopefully you have learned your lesson, never vote Labour again.
The answer is simple. In England you speak English. Schools must not pander to foreign students and their languages in the same way that schools in Latvia do not prioritise English. Oh, but perhaps they do, in the knowledge that every pupil will want to migrate here. Britain has brought this immigration problem on itself. It is time to show them the door. We are full up. We have enough difficulties looking after our own elderly. We are not the conscience of the world and it is time that this multicultural experiment was concluded as a failure.
Politicians of the three major parties in this country have no aspirations to serve the people - they are all in the pockets of big business and sculpting their own brand of multicultural utopian illusion. Mass immigration has always been about serving the interests of the very wealthy (low wages, side-stepping employment regulations etc. ... and social engineering) Ordinary people are then left with the consequences - public services that can't cope, an even more massive pension shortfall in future, a demographic time-bomb, disintigration of social fabric, cultural segregation, islamification, erosion of free-speech etc. etc. What a pitiful mess this once pleasant country is now in.
Morons!
Why were we never asked if we wanted mass immigration or the mythical 'Multicultural' society, we did not want any of it, more so now we know we were cheated. How could our elected representatives let our resources get in the dreadful state they are in when they have engineered it all along, if that is not a total abuse of trust I do not know what is.
I've been saying, for probably thirty years that we don't need immigrants we need to decrease our population because the country is overfull. As for schools beginning to find it difficult to cope, thirty five years ago friends of mine had to get private tutoring for their son because he was getting so far behind with his education due to the time spent by the teachers trying to get through to foreign pupils who didn't speak English. When politicians tell us that we need the immigrants to keep our industries, (such as they are), going they are talking balderdash, how the hell do they think we managed during the war. Bearing in mind that large numbers of people were in the armed forces. I'll give you a hint about how we managed, we didn't have two million social security claimants for a start. So to sort out the problem today we need to export somewhere between five and ten million people, if we start cutting down social security benefits some of our visitors will leave of their own acc
Blair lied about the numbers of Immigrants for years, other political party's allowed him to get away with it, followed by Brown.They are all the same, Immigration does not affect them. We need to do as the French do and get out on the streets,until we do they are not going to listen.
Tell us something we don`t know.
Now, what will this pathetic excuse for a Government do about this then?
Not called NewLiebour for nothing. Trying to keep us at bay with lies while they do their best to destroy this country before the election. Get 'em out! Vote in UKIP before this country goes down the toilet!
Don't think for one minute that voting Conservative will change anything here folks. We need to get very tough in this country and voting for next best like a whimp won't do it!
Why do they keep blaming the eastern europeans? The mass influx including extended families has been from Pakistan, Bangladesh and India - more than 3 million of them. Perhaps this stupid government and incompetent Minister Woolas believe we will not state this obvious fact for fear of being called a racist by their political media friends?
Your kidding.. You mean no one saw it coming !! My sons school has more polish than English children t
The more I read, the more I see the BNP on the path to winning the next election. Labour is an absolute farce, the Tories are not much better, and the BNP seem to be the answers to our prayers immigration wise. Mark my words, the BNP will do better than anyone expects at the next election.
Will this Government ever learn,the public have had enough of the soft touch, and easy to use Benefit system to people who have paid no taxes yet able to claim money from the bottomless benefit pit.,also use our services for free.
I think you can all thank labour for this.
I think that when the BNP get into power, as they surely will in about 15 years, all the Labour politicians and some Torysshould be asked to leave. Afghanistan would be a good place to send them and their families.
I'm surprised Barnet Council is keeping quite about this huge problem. For the past few years, we've had East Europeans and the middle East flooding in Barnet. The regeneration scheme that was supposed to be halfway now is in chaos. Tower blocks that were supposed to have demolished 4 - 5 yrs are still occupied. People who were supposed to have moved to the new houses are not moving cause they are housing these people first. The blocks that are supposed to be empty are occupied by these people cause they are on the waiting list. Barnet took a lot of people from Brent and other councils cause they didn't have enough houses to house them. We have lived our whole life in this area and have been eagerly waiting to no avail. Labour knows that the only people who will vote for them are these people they are supplying with everything. Guess where my vote is going
My first visit to UK as a student was in 1982, it was like heaven to me. My second visit was in 2009, many things have changed. It is really hard to improve your English language because you don't see a genuine Brit.
There was an article in the Mail the other day about kids being taken out of school to go on holiday as travel agents bump up the price of vacations during school holidays. I've never taken my children out of school for a holiday, but I shall have no qualms about doing it now. The reason? Because both my son and my daughter have reported to me on numerous occasions that they were left to chat to friends in lessons because their teachers were busy with the non-English speaking children. If my children go to school with the intention of learning, but are being neglected because of the immigrants taking up the teachers' time, then I cannot be expected to feel guilty about taking them out of school. If children want to start at their school then they should at least have a grasp of English first. We're looking to move away now just so my children can go to a school where they will be taught, not come second to immigrants. IT HAS GOT TO STOP!
Please do not worry. One day soon the first day of the Marxist paradise will dawn and all will be happy as we will be so brainwashed that no-one will care any more.Every family of thirty members or more will have their room with its own roof to inhabit. There will be no more foreigners to worry about as the entire indigenous population will have voluntarily self-euthanased with the help of kindly government figures and all our representitive leaders will be Scottish and cry a lot on giant screens on the walls of the People's Palaces previously known as churches. Seriously I DO NOT care any more ; I am buying a one way ticket to the Gobi Desert and am going to stay there!
Immigrants wil be setting up their own schools and hospitals soon with grants from the government no doubt. Surely schools and hospital services have to be earned before anyone is able to use them. We're all daft as brushes and the bureaucrats as daft as hoovers
Well if we stop immigration and send loads home that will ease the congestion,but failing that we should stop all financial hand outs and just put them on long waiting lists like ordinary brits have to be on,then it won't seam like an attractive decision to come here and scrounge will it?
They don't care we're full up they just need to import more voters cos we Brits HATE LIEBOUR
Meanwhile the NHS faces severe cuts, so how will that help hospitals cope. This governement has no idea, and is completely useless.
Sorry, couldn't care a damn anymore. Nobody listens so I got out.
The picture covering this story identifies the exact reason for this problem! Those EU Stars, in the shape of the Crown Of The Madonna, is the root cause. What the hell are we as a country doing associating ourselves with a Marxist organisation headed by a convicted criminal (yes Barroso was convicted for stealing!). Perhaps our revered Monarch might wish to finally explain why She has signed all of those treaties which have subjugated us to the EU foreign power. Thousands and thousands of us have petitioned Her for an answer and yet She stays silent. Why!!!! We have the Right to petition our Monarch and the Monarch has a duty and MUST respond to the petition. If She doesn't want a full scale revolution (July 14th would be as nothing in comparison) on Her hands she would do well to start giving a few answers. And NOT with a Minister sat next to Her as the 1911 Government Act treasonously decrees.
My dear Gran used to say "charity should begin at home". Certainly cap benefits to newly arrived migrants - other countries do it. It's common sense. Or is this an insidious attempt to run our welfare state so far into the ground that the politicians can say, "look it doesn't work. let's get rid of it", as opposed to "we want to get rid of the welfare state." which would be a no vote grabber. Devious stuff.
Don't just blame Gordon & Tony - this is a deliberate EU policy to destroy and sense of national or regional identity. The Germans did it in Poland in the 40's, the Russians all over the place under Stalin. We are a part of a social experiment, people. However much you're prepared to put up with there'll always be 'just that little bit more'. When you're really fed up and are prepared to swap words for deeds it'll stop. Not before.
We know this & have done for a long time. The government also know this but don't care ! - Mac, Lancs The media also knew, but they ignored it.
It's going to take a revolution to sort this out, and it won't be long coming!!!
All these complaints coming from Tory controlled areas....There would not be an election in the wind now would there?.....Propaganda !
The Establishment LibLabConUKIP Party are controlled by the EU, who are, in turn, controlled by the Bilderbergers. That is precisely why it matters very little whether you vote for Clegg, Brown, Cameron or Pearson because they are all in favour of the Elite's New World Order . If on the other hand you still have faith in the UK as an independent nation, that we should control our own destiny, that you value what our forefathers died for, that you inherently trust our own legal system, that you value our Constitutional Rights that Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights bestow, that you wish to have no truck with Marxism, that you think we should manufacture and give employment to our own people rather than the global economy, that you hate the cancer of PC, then you are in good company with those of us in the British National Party. If you only ever vote once for BNP in the interests of unity and the sacrifices of our forefathers then do it shortly! There is NO OTHER OPTION
Controlling of immigration will begin once Labour feel they have enough voters
I am completely bewildered by what is going on in this country. Why would anybody in their right mind open the floodgates to millions of foreigners, flood out the education system and risk the lives of the indigenous population who have paid taxes all of their lives only to find the hospitals are swamped with immigrants when they need help from their own health system. The loony left disguised itself as a moderate centre party and then carried out every horrendous left wing Marxist policy imaginable. The British public have been led by the nose and still they do nothing.
It was somewhat obvious (well, obvious to everyone except our Labour government) that it was totally inevitable that this would be the result of uncontrolled immigration.
Shakespeare writing about this government. " Oh what a tangled web we weave when first, ( second, third ad infinitum )we practice to deceive."
Alright kids? The reason why you can't get a job & will never get a decent place to live is because the government works for the EUSSR & you as a British national are last in the que! In fact they actually want you to fail!
The problem is not immigration but the native people WHO SHOULD LEAVE THEIR COUNTRY.
Vote BNP, not to get those nutcases in power (don't worry they are not terribly glamorous) but just enough elected representatives to keep the other nutcases on their toes.
This government has ruin our once great Britain. The quicker we get you out the better, no wonder people are turning towards the UKIP and BNP what else is there to do?
There is ONE language - it's called English, so no translators are needed can't speak it ? let them learn at their own expense and if you can't speak English you must be a danger in the work place as we have already seen in the medical profession. if that makes me racist - tough. The abuse to our hospitality in this country is a disgrace. Sort it out - Gordon couldn't sort the sock drawer !
Can I have my own country back please? I'm a self-employed tradesman with my own premises and have just parted with a large wad of money to the Inland Revenue and my local authority which has left me with very little room to manouevre financially. I have had to cut my drawings by 30% to keep my company running and my standard of living has fallen significantly in the last 18 months. What particularly irks me is how my (and your)contributions are wasted so blatantly-( how about a few pot-holes mended ?-not on your nelly.) It would appear that some people are invited into this country and avail themselves of vital public services and accommodation with many of them are experiencing an improvement in their standard of living at the expense of the working taxpayer.I'm getting on in years and I'm tired of seeing our government destroy utterly what was once our Great Britain. Our ancestors would weep.
Anyone with half a brain can see that Britain's wonderful multicultural welfare state is a total failure and native Britons are continually getting screwed. But what will Britons do about it? Probably nothing. You're ultra PC and utterly complacent and it's destroying you all.
Derr! And it's taken them this long to speak out? Why? Or is it that, like in Wakefield, the council can't afford to go on building the grandiose schemes they had, so now they've noticed the extra people? As if building new shopping centres was ever going to be economically viable, given that even before the recession 1 in 8 units were unoccupied ( thanks to greedy landlords), now in Wakefield it looks like at least 1 in 4 ( that doesn't include the ones on temporary lease to pound shops and charity shops). But no, Wakefield Council is still going ahead with building a new retail centre, even though it's been put on hold for over a year, and even though shops are shutting down left, right and centre in Wakefield city centre.... And who'll be employed there? Not me, I've been looking for a reasonably flexible retail job for 2 years, but obviously they can get kids and immigrants to work for less than they'll pay me. Sour grapes? No, economic reality.
MARTIN, CLITHEROE, 16/2/2010 Caroline, Aberdeen, 16/2/2010 Readers & writers to this Daily Mail column can now rise up & say - WE TOLD YOU SO, YEARS AGO & WE WERE IGNORED. The voting public can see that the face of Britain is changing. LEGAL immigrants who have properly applied, have certified jobs to go to, have passed medical, police checks & have sufficient funds to house theselves will be needed, if only to replace those of us who have sold up & left UK for good. These were the reqirements for us to emigrate with our 4 children, all of us born & bred in UK for generations.The points system had ONE other requirement, we ALL had to speak ENGLISH. (French would be acceptablre if we had wanted to go to Quebec) My boys attended 3 different schools according to age group, ALL teachers & pupils spoke English. French could be studied voluntarily if needed. fedupcheshire, cheshire - AGREE!
Well, you only have yourselves to blame. Until you invest in a backbone and vote for the BNP, nothing will change.
The problem is that if we say anything against immigration and the immigrants then we are called RACIST..........We need to get our country back.............for Gods sake we are an island..........it should be very easy to seal our borders and just let in those WE want and need............not all the wasters that do arrive here........i think that the BNP will do very well at the next election if they play their cards right....we really have got to breaking point
phil woolas is a no good lying left wing scumbag .
" Maybe the pressure on public services will lessen, once immigrants have been informed by Woolas about the principles of queuing? " Half the trouble is though, that immigrants aren't queueing for anything. Quite the opposite in fact - the fatted calf is killed and the red carpet, which goes all the way to the front of the queue, is rolled out. Meanwhile, there are people here living in abject poverty, or are unable to get housing ( both even ) and yet no help wings it's way to them, in the same fashion. It is unfair and will end in tears.
I wish more people realised that nothing will change under Labour or Consevratives. The BNP has warned about this for years, they deserve the backing of the British public.
if labour say the eastern europeans have gone then they come to hereford because theres nearly ten thousand there theyve even got theyre own shops now and monopolise all the manual jobs in the area it realy is shocking how the government as allowed this island to be swamped to suffocation like it as
What a shame. The government wanted to attract lots of people from other countries to make Britain's economy stronger, but what happend? Lots of them live on benefits and try to get everything for free.... Also, only few per cents of eastern Europeans are well educated and speak in fluent English in this country and only they should stay if they want, because others should pack their baggage and leave this country...
This is exactly what we are saying in Wales. Deffro'r Ddraig - Awaken the Dragon - Right to be Welsh. Google that and you will see that thousands have signed a petition to the Welsh Assembly Government to draw attention to colonisation gpoing on WITHIN the British Isles.
NU LABOUR........TRAITORS.
They shouldn't be here in the first place. They have been let in to keep wages low.
Ofsted have said that my daughter's C of E Primary School in Peterborough only has 25% white British pupils in it !!!
Its not just immigrants stretching town hall budgets, it's the 20% of your Council Tax that goes towards the Local Government, Pension Scheme (Super Annuation) which is unsustainable. It's the Chief Exec's of councils that earn more than the Prime Minister. Their pay is decided by Councillors at any particular Council, so the Chief Exec in return will award Councillors with a little favour in return. Firstly get rid of the dead wood in town halls, then have ago at immigrants draining the system. So much waste!
NEWSFLASH : Bears DO S***in the woods! £1 Trillion spent on handouts to whoever chooses to shack up home here. A debt that will never be repaid.Not in my lifetime.
Well it appears after all these years that Enoch Powell was rightÂ…. and no one believed him. They called him a racist and a bigotÂ… I wonder if those peoples views have now changed?
So whats the problem - employ more workers, more workers means more taxs, more taxs pays for more services. Its bad planning that causes services to not meet demans - nothing else.
I think Britain's immigration boom is stretching EVERYTHING to capacity, and that includes my patience and tolerance levels. Shut the doors.
Not going to vote BNP. But UKIP will stop all immigration for five years, get us back our own government, and stop the EU forcing us to take Eastern European immigrants.
We've been yelling and screaming this for years now, and no one ever listened! Importing vast numbers of extra, unbudgeted-for people MUST put systems under strain. This is only logical. How come Mr and Mrs Average Joe on the street can predict these economic crisies, and yet those we elect cant see them coming even though they profess to be experts? Why ARE we electing these people? Why do they even WANT to be elected? Possibly for the perks, the expenses they can claim, the fact that they can do one term and retire forever on a permanent pension. They think we are all so stupid. They rely on our vote but then think they are omnipotent, and they want their own way regardless of how they ruin our lives. The TRUTH WILL COME OUT. I hope in time for these faithless politicians who have let us all down to be punished for their incompetence at the very least, their wilful destruction of the British way of life preferably!
A shower of incompetents.
the best solution is ruthless remaining manufacturing and agrocultural sector outsourcing to eastern europe. Jobs for those who want to work!!
I am from Lithuania, living and working for 6 years in UK. Speaking advanced English, Russian so I don't need translators. I do pay council tax as well as rent, incurance, paye tax, bills . Don't have my GP , my dentist treatment is private . I do respect people opinion about foreign nationals, but we are not all the same. Don't judge a book by it's cover...
Not only are Slough schools suffering because of the influx of immigrants but so are schools in neighbouring towns as the overflow applies for places in them. Local families struggle to find school places for their children.
it is racialist to talk about imigrants,no one will listen any way,every one knows what is happening but they pretend every thing is normal,and if we ignor it then it will go away the fact of the matter is we are spineless, sinbad
we were all betrayed over europe ....no referendum...........betrayed with immigration..........betrayed with law and order lies.....betrayed with bin spies............betrayed by the bankers and betrayed by the theiving polititions.......plus let down on education and alcohol abuse.......and drug abuse.............did.... they do anything right......they put us right down the pan..........the worst load of rubbish weve ever had in parliament.............please just go.........roll on the election......the recession will be back......it wont be a double dip either it will be a quadruple dip........anything is better than putting up with this load of lying scoundrels
Never! I find that just so hard to believe! Not to worry, won't be many native Brits to clutter things up soon!
You packing that bag yet, Gordon??? You and Bliar really stuffed up on all fronts.
Lets put an end to it, import 1 million Chinese who will be happy to work for £10 a day and we can all retire.
hmmmm. More soft Fascism from the good British public. Anyone who claims the BNP are not racist have clearly not bothered doing any research at all, or are pathetically in denial. There is a You Tube clip in which Mark Collett, the party's head of publicity, tells Russell Brand that we would rather his daughter stay celibate for life than date a black man. Elsewhere he refers to black woman as 'ugly' and basically likens immigrants to excrement. He is also on record as inferring that the Jews deserved the holocaust. This coupled with Nick Griffins holocaust denial and members of their ranks being ex- convicts really doesn't make a pretty picture. Also this documentary shows Collett's arguments getting trounced by a heroin addled comedian. Do people really want a thicko Nazi party running the UK? Wake up.
When will the words FULL UP be applied to this country?When will pepole realise we need to STOP all immigration and expel some of those here under false pretences, or the scroungers who travel thousands of miles to come to SOFT TOUCH BRITAIN. This is why I support the British National Party and after last Sunday many Black and Ethnics will too as they are being made to feel second class as well.
The English are amongst the most land-poor people on Earth, so it's strange that liberal-lefties and the like want to make us and our children poorer; rather like taking food from the Ethiopians. A couple of insidious common fallacies used to hoodwink people on migration are, a) 'they are needed to do the jobs other people don't want' ; people only don't want these jobs because they are badly paid ( offer me £100k to be a cleaner and I'll run for a mop ). Bringing in more people just drives down the wages of the poor, and b) 'they are needed for the pensions crisis' ; you cannot compensate sustainably for people living longer by creating a bulge in the young working population, it just gets worse once these people become pensioners themselves.
And then they wonder why more people are supporting the BNP they are the only party that will ban immigration
Remember folks, this was a calculated and determined effort by Labour to "make the UK more multi cultural" They're own people have said as much. Unfortunately the politicians and the wealthy don't have to compete with them for social housing, doctors, dentists, the NHS etc. They're children go to private schools, our kids go to schools where sometimes half the kids in the class can't speak English, therefore making OUR childrens educatons suffer, as if the teaching standards were'nt bad enough already! Labour have ruined this country, possibly irreversibly. The only people that will vote for them this time will be the immigrants they have invited to our shores and the work shy and the scroungers. Mind you, there are millions of them!
"'They may not be arriving as quickly, but the anecdotal evidence is that more people are still coming, and staying." Anecdotal? That sounds really accurate!
LibLabCons chickens are coming home to roost,they only endorse failed policies. We need a clean sweep in Westminster and we are going to get it. England deserves better than this shower,bring on the General Election and soon. Gordon and his Darling are Doooooooooooooooomed,as Fraiser would say.
I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice - Anon, UK, 17/2/2010 3 Well why aren't you? Are you shy of being patriotic? You're preaching the same message we in the BNP have preached for years. Do you really, truly, believe the Establishment LibLabConUKIP Party are going to change things back? Tell me what in the BNP that YOU don't agree with. Not what the BBC and Establishment media say about the BNP but what YOU actually find so wrong. Have you ever been to a BNP meeting and seen and heard the members? They speak with the same voice as you. It sounds to me that you have succumbed to the paranoid media drivel about the BNP, the sort of nonsense that Dimbleby and his mates at BBC expound! Have you ever read the BNP manifesto? Go on 'Anon' - do yourself a favour and become less like a sheeple.
Time that access to all services such as health and welfare was based on contributions to the system not residence.
No good complaining to these idiotic Marxist morons - they have an agenda.
It's no use thinking the cameroon tories will do anything about this. 1. they are a bunch of europhiles and will not dare to defy eu diktats 2. callmedave is all in favour of MORE eastern european countries joining - quite coincidentally his elite associates are getting lucrative contracts there - what do they care about overcrowded schools and hospitals - it doesn't affect them at all. As for Woolas, he is either a complete idiot or evil , I don't know which is worse
Its only this stupid government that is to blame for all this. The sooner they are out the better.
Surprise surprise!.
Brown and Co have encouraged this immigration boom in the expectation that the incomers will show their appreciation by voting Labour
I'm British. For a while, I lived and worked in another country. I learnt the language before I went there and I went home when my job ended. I didn't claim benefits. I didn't have a council house. I didn't use any free facilities, I paid my way. That's what I think people should do in a foreign country. Almost all the first-generation immigrants I meet live in either council housing or housing association housing. I can't get enough points to get to the top of the list because I don't have children. It should be first-come, first-served.
Myself and my husband are migrant workers from another EU country. We both came intending to stay only for a couple of years, but have been here for over a decade. You will all be delighted to hear that we are leaving in April, having decided that paying almost £700,000 in tax every year, is madness, especially when we are constantly faced with articles like this one implying that we're a drain on resources!! The Problem isn't immigration, it's the crazy benefits system which is abused by both migrants and natives. Planning for services like hospitals and schools has been woefully inadequate. I'm not Polish, but I bet you'll find that most Poliash migrants get jobs, pay tax and contribute to society, and in the next generation their motivated educated children will be far bigger contributors than the 'British' wasters on benefits in council flats complaining about immigrants.
Whoops! Yet another not-joined-up, not-thought-through, politically motivated, Labour policy.... and "they" are away (Blair and Cherie - often wondered about her name, French for "dear" - does that mean expensive?) earning millions, getting the best private education they can for their children, the best private health care possible, leaving us, the suckers who have been footing their bill, suffering the consequences.
I was born and grew up in London. Yes I miss it but had to get out of the place because it became a place I no longer knew and no longer liked. All the comments by people who want immigration halted and something done about it better vote for the BNP. They are the ONLY PARTY who will carry out your wishes. So it's your vote, vote for the party that will do what you want. If not the CONs, LIB-DIMs and LIEbour will let it continue and all you will ever do is moan and moan and moan about what is happening. So use your vote wisely and vote for the party that will make Great Britain GREAT again, the BNP.
Well never mind, its the price you pay for a few extra labour votes. Why get workshy labour voters off their backsides when you can kill two birds with one stone and bring more potential labour voters into the country and keep the feckless happy?
What will it take before there is a STOP to more people coming into this country, maybe a revolution,oh no l almost forgot this is spineless Britain,
Let's face it, no-one has a clue how many immigrants are here or where they are from. What's more it is not only schools and hospitals that are at breaking point but the whole infrastructure of the country. Should imagine the BNP will have a ball in the general election -all down to Labour's deliberate policy of allowing any Tom Dick or Harry to take up residence without necessarily contributing a penny.
Wakie wakie everyone, what a surprise!
I'm 38 and was born and bred here in England, however due to a bad relationship I am a single mum of one. I have spoken to my local council regarding a propery, which would only cost them £350 however i have been refused and my council would rather pay the £1000 a month my landlord charges. My son goes to a junior school whcih in the last 3 years has seen a HUGE influx of Eastern Europeon children. Having spoken to the parents of these children they are living in a COUNCIL property and claiming benefits for their Council Tax etc. My question is how can they have priority over myself that was born and raised here, I have worked and payed taxes as have my parents and Grand parents before them???
Britain's immigration boom"? Oh-no, surly not, Britain is a member state of the European Union and has been officially since December last year. This is an EU immigration boom which Brown or anyone else can do nothing about as they've handed control to Brussels. So, remember, it's not the British "government" doing this now as we no longer have a government. This is directly down to the EU!!
The great thing about "growth rate" financial or population nothing can keep up with demand and it is self fuelling when it gets too big. Eventually a maximum is hit and it starts too implode. Socially it starts too fall apart, a bit like the banks with no money the growth rate stalls the system again. Double dip anybody? Only ones that can be responsibile are the politicians for allowing the model to persist and grow.
instead of moaning about this a newspaper why dont you email the PM about it ...maybe then he will have to do something about ..if you dont they will sneak in an Amnesty and forget Woolass ..tell him where to stick his PC Liberal Lefty outlook ....let your fingers do the talking to the Minister of Immigration and Number 10 ...do it now ...
It is frightening to think that the government do not have a clue how big the population of this country really is.
"Ministers say that more than 700,000 of those who came to Britain have now left." Woolly Woolas strikes again. How on earth do they know this? There is no recording at departure points when people leave. This is all just a guesstimate and a pretty inaccuate one at that it would seem. They take us taxpayers for fools, and we let them.
My first visit to UK as a student was in 1982, it was like heaven to me. My second visit was in 2009, many things have changed. It is really hard to improve your English language because you don't see a genuine Brit.
Learn from California in the US. California had a booming economy, plus unbelievable beauty and quality of life. Then in the 1960's, immigration became the thing the liberals boosted-"sanctuary cities" forbade police from asking the legality of immigration status of anyone they arrested for crimes; welfare was extended to people without regard to their citizenship. The word went out and the scroungers showed up in droves; their political lackies, the leftists, hurled "racist bigot" and "hater" at anyone who said it was not affordable and should be stopped. Taxes to support these benefits skyrocketed. Judges ordered that schools must provide teachers fluent in spoken and written EVERYTHING for EVERY dialect of the immigrants flooding the state. ' Increasingly the immigrants demonstrated hate and contempt for all things American and demanded entitlements of all kinds. Now California is bankrupt and issuing IOU's to pay all--waiting for bailout by USA tax.
we are told immigration increases competitiveness (lowers wages and increases competition for work) and that this is to our benefit, how exactly?
Woolas, go and take a long walk off a short pier.
In 2003 Poland was hailed as the new Tiger economy. Labour then decided to poach two million of their essential workers and the result is that seven years later even after their President begged them to go home Poland has achieved or progressed very little. They have failed to build their own country and thanks to the connivance of labour and the Millibands the international dependency culture has been entrenched for at least another decade. And I wonder what Ed Millipede thinks about the 'carbon footprints' of half a dozen new airlines which were specifically set up to shuttle Eastern europeans back and forward across the continent. What a pair of schizoid labour prats.
Now the authorities are complaining about what the people have been telling all the time and they just did not listen to the commonsense that was given to them. "Well" Now you have left this to late.The degenerating of the infrastructure and the communities started when the authorities ignored reason. So!,what is your next plan..Tax the law biding as usual to the point where one cannot afford to buy even the basics to feed the imported free loaders. BRING BACK COMMONSENSE
Nothings going to change with any of the main parties, might as well get used to that idea. Only way out is to vote for BNP the party of the future, they have the guts to do what needs to be done, either that or the situation is going to deteriorate
No you're joking-i'm just a van driver and even I worked this out by just driving round and seeing everyday life-but of course politicians won't do that,will they-they're too busy with their snouts in the trough.
Nowadays it seems that Government has one objective for everything. Deception. On any subject they only do Deception.
Why does the government spokesman on this kind of story always come out with the same statement about how migrants are benefitting the economy? Is the record stuck? If someone stopped massageing the figures then we might actually believe them. If we did not see jobs now being done by Poles and Latvians etc, then we might actually look at the benefits, If there was not a series of story's about benefits claims & money going out of our system for children in eastern europe etc we might actually look again. What we do see is an unemployment line that is growing like crazy. what we see are people afraid to lose jobs and taking pay cuts and changes in conditions that will only benefit employers and all this time we see civil servents claiming medals that should be going to the troops, civil servents claiming bonuses for NOT supplying arms and ammunition and equipment needed by the troops, M.P.'s claiming for plasma tellys and roofs on second homes out of our money. Its time for honesty.
It would seem everything the BNP have been saying is true.
"....Poles who moved to Britain fly their children home for medical and dental treatment becouse they do not trust the NHS..." that is what Daily Mail wrote some times ago ,so what is the true?
Repatriation.
Quote: 'We have listened to the British people and have made huge changes to the immigration system...." So are you too thick to understand what the words STOP ALL FURTHER IMMIGRATION NOW mean then?
So why don`t they move these immigrants out to the lovely quiet little village areas and disperse the problem throughout the country instead of overcrowding our towns and cities.. Could it be that the Tories don`t want them in their own back yard? Surely they would welcome a little enrichment.....No? - L Hacking, Manchester what a typical liebore type of solution.. This commentator is missing the essential truth that liebore won't address.. namely..Nobody asked us if we wanted to be overrun by migrants..so go ask the 'lovely quiet villages' if they want the same....
Just wait until Turkey becomes an EU member.
You did vote Labour,what did you expect,a well run country by a bunch of Marxists?
This weak spineless goverment whith no backbone to frightened say anything,thers no chance they will do anything,not long now street party's happy days, im wishing my life away,please please please,election come soon
The sensitive 70 million will be hit by 2029 !! The population is well over 70 million now, 29 top immigration officials are being well paid to keep their mouths shut. The population of the uk was 56.5 million way back in 1956 according to a map of the uk displayed on most classrooms in the country at that time, the government rely very heavilly on peoples short memories.
All water under the bridge, the sad part is that it was utterly predictable and the disaster now being experienced is down quite simply to successive Governments not having the guts to do what was needed one one hand or the foresight to prepare for it on the other.
All those complaining about immigrants, are You really that stupid? If You would think, You would notice that the problem is lying somewhere else. If all the contributions made by immigrants thru tax, insurance and so one would go directly to councils to those services, there would be NO strains. But the money goes centrally to the government which in turn gives just a part, just a percent of it back to councils in grants! Did You really think that only those born and bread in here are covering the government expenses?
Phil Woolas : " We have listened to the British people etc. etc. " Have you ever heard such utter garbage in all your life???? Everyone knows what is happening and why, and for this minister to make a statement like this is incredulous. He insults my intelligence.
I asked a friend five years ago about this subject,he repied when the West Indians move out because the Eastern Europeans move in,you have a Problem
Hopefully, immigration will be high up on the election agendas - it should be. I will vote for any party that has a sensible approach to immigration.
This is old news surely, most people have been aware of what has been happening over the last few years, but as usual its the old story of closing the ' flood gates' to late, our schools, hospitals, etc are now over overrun by people who haven't paid a penny into the tax systems etc, we are a nation of fools !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uncontrolled immigration has been an unstated major objective of this Government since it came to power a decade ago. They cannot now be surprised that their policies are causing the destruction of our infrastructure. All ordinary people knew this would happen. It really is too late now to fix the problem. Do you honestly imagine that any government can deport these people or that they plan to leave voluntarily? Even the BNP don't claim they could manage it. So the problem of millions of outstretched palms will not go away. More will continue to crowd in with THEIR palms outstretched too. It will not stop until or unless benefits are stopped. Do you imagine any Governmen t is going to do that and get elected? It WILL happen, but only when the economy collapses. The honest truth is that we are past the tipping point. Britain plc is doomed. I suggest you find a better country now, before they stop accepting refugees from Britain. Good luck
This has been as plain as daylight to the rest of us but when we spoke about it we were all called racists and incapable of being objective.
"Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point" Translation - Nulab have screwed Britain with their multicultural society NO ONE wanted!!!
Why are this now being taken seriously? We knew this was happening 25 years ago, but then if you talked about it, you were considered a racist.
During a TV programe screened by Polish TV recently a professor from Warsaw University challenged the British Governments figures of 700,000 Poles returning home alleging the figure was closer to 70,000 as indicated by Polish government benefits and taxation systems.Who to believe? Possibly best not Mr Brown's story writers.
It is really sad that the vast majority of people here seem to think they know it all and as usual put all blame on foreigners for their troubles in life. first of all let me tell you i'm Portuguese and we have well over 100,000 Brits permanentely living in Portugal and enjoying the same benefits as any other Portuguese Citizen and yes that will include any benefits the same Portuguese Citizen would be allowed. according to estatistics there are about 450,000 Portuguese in the UK but please keep in mind Portugal is about 5 times smaller than the U.K and as you can see we probably would have a bigger problem with you than you with us. Furthermore when i do go to the dentist i usualy pay for it this is despite paying taxes which rightly allow me to use the NHS so i guess i'm paying for some Brits to get their treatment for free then uh , it does not bother me for as long i know that if i do need to use the service it will be there for me too.
We should only provided what they would give to you if YOU where doing the same in the country they come from. I bet a lot would think twice about working in the UK.
It has NOTHING to do with EU! It was a decision of British government to let the Poles in.The Germany still prohibits employment of Poles Now Britain has opened doors for Romanians and Bulgarians.Now,these nations are REALLY poor and underdeveloped. Limit the migration,do something but stop complaining
Well...the General Election is on the horizon and I happen to think that uncontrolled immigration is killing this country. Sorting out immigration will be the number 1 issue on my agenda when testing prospective candidates for my vote....there is no point in asking candidates their views on public services etc., when uncontrolled immigration is swamping them. So...any party that can convince me they are determined to stem uncontrolled immigration.....they've got my vote.
My advice, sell Sterling and the Euro and buy the Yen or Gold. We are in for a Bankrupt Britain as we just can't cope with this sustained mass immigration.
get us out of the e.u. i thought david cameron would be good for the u.k.but we need some one with back bone who will stand up for the british people and i'm afraid he won't do that its time to draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough as the brits patience is just about at an end.
I am an Asian immigrant who pays the higher end of the tax scale like most of us from Asia do as we come here for jobs( because of shortages here particularly in the healthcare sector) and pay our taxes.A vast majority of us speak English and I daresay write and spell better than people born and brought up here. A majority of us are not entitled to and therefore do not claim any benefits. I do understand everyone's concerns( and no it is not racist to think of what immigration has done here) but please understand that migrants from Asia do not eat into your taxes only contribute to it. To label all of us in the same bracket is unfair to put it mildly and smacks of ignorance. The checks we go through would be deemed unbelievable by all here compared to what the EU migrants do and to be treated as a thug when one has an honest job here and contributes to the community is something none of you will ever understand.
Our system should be the same in whole as to the USA, Canada and other's alike, I want to leave this rat hole but I have to go through a points system not only that I have to make sure I have money to live for a minimum of 6 months, and a JOB. I drive for a living and visit many places I was delivering steel to a construction site never been there before, seen a worker thought I'd ask him were was the site foreman, after 5 mins of trying to find someone who could understand English I just sat there and waited for them to come to me and it's like that about 95% of the time, Us Brit's are the odd one's out we no longer belong here, I can't even wear a Cross around my neck I'll affend someone but they wear what's right for their religion. SAD Britain no Great Britain.
Surely, these political parties have woken up to the fact that the British public have had enough? We want a party who is willing to close the doors to immigrants wanting to take advantage of our system, only allowing in those that are absolutely necessary to provide the skills we do not already possess. Those that respect our culture and are willing to integrate into our society. We also need a government that is willing to sort out our benefits system. We have enough of our own scroungers who are happy to sit on their backsides, pumping out babies expecting everything to be handed to them on a plate. Although the BNP's policies of stopping immigration and making Britain British are appealing, it's their sinister policies that they do not wish to make public that are the worrying ones. They are a racist party - the fact they have been forced to admit non-whites into their party does not stop their racist intentions.
"Here we go again... I am fed up with reading the same stuff about our services getting hammered to death with the influx of immigrants using this country for all the freebies we have on offer. Please can we do the following:- 1) Close the doors on any more immigrants wanting to enter 2) Only let people that have lived here five years and paid into the system take anything out 3) Make people who enter this country pay for their health, education, children and housing out of their own money not tax payers of this country 4) Stop making British Citizens feel 2nd class If they started with these few simple ideas maybe our council tax bills would drop instead of increasing year after year." You're supporting UKIP at the next election, are you? Because those are EXACTLY their policies. Check out their website.
Maybe if you get a few more outsiders into England it'll knock some sense into you and strangle this BNP revival at birth.
It's not only the schools and hospitals that are at breaking point, the whole country is at breaking point. These idiotic stupid and brainless politicians have no idea of what this country are having to put up with, all because they have never listened to the very people who unfortunately put them in power.
If we were not in the EU we could please ourseves, but our New Labour Government has no say in who comes in and it is we Tax Payers who suffer.
er wait a bit. Stop Polish coming in, withdraw benefits.. Ilegal. They are members of the EU and have as much right of movement within it as you do.
Why dont some of you have a quick browse of the bnp website i got my eyes opened wide and it was not just about the imigration have a look you have nothing to loose,
In France jobs go to the French and rightly so. Very few are on offer to anyone else. If you can't speak French you take your own interpreter. Tough.
Phil Woolas says we have listened to the British people ,this gutless shower of a government are only talking about immigration because they are scared of losing the next election,and with it their cosy little nest eggs and fiddles. The sooner we get a government in this country that puts the people of this country first the better , and i dont mean the tories or the wishy washy libs.
Well folks will all the countries lining up to join EU we will have more. Why? our benefit system and the fact that we are an easy touch. Possibly we ought to start by saying no benefit to our own scoungers then they might work. Apart from that close the doors to anyone who cannot speak English ,that takes a job which one of our scroungers can do,that can not support themselves for at least one year and no free rent or cash benefits until they have worked and paid into the system for 4 years. Children cannot go to school until they can speak and read English the cost of this to be met by the parents or the imigrant community.Anyone have the guts? NO NO NO why so-called Human rights, Refugee charities and doggoders.Worst offender the EU
BNP folks that is all we have now to save this deteriorating country of ours. This government and all opposition knew this would happen, plus the local authorities who condemned the BNP, as being racist, well the truth is out now thay have all fallen into their own deception, caught red handed. Now it is time for them to fall onto their own swords for being found out, you are all on your way, it is clean up time.
Paranoid panic-spreading! The net movement is still out!
... the only political party with tough immigration policies for halting mass-immigration into Britain, is the BNP ... and anyone complaining against that mass-immigration but refuses voting for the BNP, has no grounds for complaining, and deserves being swamped by immigrants, and deserves loosing their job to immigrants ...
I've worked in a school. The majority of new pupils are either from the EU, from outside the EU given leave to be here, or have originated from outside the EU, obtained an EU passport from another country and then are free to come here as EU citizens. The majority of these do not speak English, they also claim free school meals, have council housing, etc, etc. They are a huge strain on school resources and every other public service.
Anecdotal evidence. I live near the A2 (Old Kent Rd) in London and have been observing the East European buses bring in the migrants on it for the last decade. It's true that they (the buses) aren't as full to the brim as they were a couple of years ago heading towards the centre, but they're still virtually empty when heading back down to Dover. And pretty much every non-English tongue I hear in Tesco is still Slavic. That said, I've known plenty of Polish and Russian (with a few Hungarians and Czechs) during my time working in the courier and building industries, and most are pretty good, honest sorts who are actually here to work. Whether the money ends up staying in this British economy though, I don't know.
I am in favour of the EU, but the financing goes all astray when only the big and wealthier countries need to do their bit and not give much responsibility to the poorer ones (mainly Eastern EU). I heard many stories of how people come to the UK to work and then send their money back to Poland to build a nice house there. Cool for them. I think workers are welcome as long as they and their families cannot so easily abuse the system (get a council flat, live on benefits whilst hiding real income, etc.).
Lets stop messing about. Lets get these people out of this country ....now.
It's interesting how they don't mention the immigration from outside of the EU. A far worse problem for sure. Of course this is due to the Labour party who were long ago taken over by the liberal elite. By the way the Tories are no different. Exactly the same type of people waiting in the wings to continue the mess. Don't bother voting for minor political parties either because it is fundamentally impossible for any minor political party in Britain to win elections - EVER. At the next general election as usual the vast majority of votes will go to the three main parties because the British people don't and never will vote in large enough numbers for minor parties. We need a populist political movement like the Tea Party Movement that is making big waves in the US. It is the only way to take back our nation. Once the political movement has done it's job and united everyone behind a common cause to create political change, then you launch a viable new political party.
Truth wil out!
Bring in a national census now, where you have to appear in person, with your family, with documentation proving your name, address, National Insurance number. Authorities issue photo ID card. Failure to register-lose right to benefits, NHS, housing and RIGHT TO LIVE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know this will inconvenience people, but if we want our country back, we have to do it.
I worked in the NHS and acted as Data Manager for all patients registered with GP practices in our county. I knew better than anyone the number of immigrants in our county, much more so than the official ONS (Office of National Statistics) which based the overall country's population on Census Returns and project those figures to declare current population numbers. I always told the 'official' great and good that immigrant, legal or otherwise, would register with the NHS before, if ever, filling in a Census Return. Nobody wanted to know, maybe it was easier to manipulate finances to where the Government wanted the bribes......
it's liebours policy to flood this little island with foreigners,free housing free benefits free nhs free free free free,but it's us british taxpayers footing the bill,then our useless governments give billions of our hard earned taxses away to help other country's charity begins at home,our nation is at breaking point and if nothing is done soon,the bnp will fill the houses of parliment with bnp mp's we the fed up taxpayer will be voting them in.
Friend of mine lives in a town near the Welsh border. He wasn't exaggerating when he said half the class his 8 year old is in is made up of East Europeans. The town, a small one, now boasts three East European corner food shops. The changing face of Britain, courtesy of Blair's multiculturalism. Only thing is, the kids mix, the parents wont. Main reason he says is because the parents can't speak much English!
"I have no problems with people coming over here to live" Well you should have! There are 350 million people in the EU and every single one has the RIGHT to come and live here and receive benefits. 1.5 million Poles came here and they are now using our hospitals, maternity wards, schools, GPs, council houses and JOBS! They are never going back to Poland. And if the Euro collapses there could be MILLIONS more heading this way. And that is just from within the EU - there are millions more here from OUTSIDE the EU. they get in as students, as asylum seekers or as illegals. This is not an accident. Labour intends to destroy the last shred of British culture in its march for Global Revolution (global capitalism).
Come round my way, I am a stranger in my own city, nobody speaks English, nor has to, the indiginous language is everyone elses bar mine. And as far as the town hall manderins are concerned, have they only just woken up to this fact, which everyone else has been saying for years? I suggest they get out more.
Only schools and hospitals what about more social workers- more crime-more tax payers money on legal aid-more welfare-more foster parents the list goes on and on and will continue to do so even under useless Cameron.We need a revolution or a dictator until we see sense.
Simple - raise taxes. It's only logical once you have decided to admit more people. Another 5p on income tax should easily cover the longer term implications of expanding capacity of our infrastructure. Who could complain?
Yes johnny, it does matter. The resources for schools and healthcare are not unlimited. The unplanned and seemingly uinlimited use by 3rd-world immigrants of these resources means that our old and vulnerable are denied the health treatment they need and that children attending inner-city schools sugffer even more as teachers are fored to deal with multituders of children who do not speak English. Our taxes and debts are thus higher than they need to be and our quality of life moves down another rung. You may not care but many of us do and would be happy to see the end of immigration and incentives for those here to return to their countries of origin.
Oh for gods sake................you only have to go to any hospital Be it a&e or admissions to add up the foreigners using The system...................... Only an idiot would say they couldn't see this happening............ Ask the receptionists of any doctors surgery or hospital appointment..................you will get a true answer..................
Oh no, foreign people! Watch DM readers everywhere squirm and grasp their mortgage documents in fright! They're not white! They speak other languages! They caused the recession! Whatever. Grow up. The country is multicultural. It works. I live in London and nigh on every immigrant I've encountered is in work and speaks competent working English. Which is more than I can say for most of the commenters on this board, who are stupid enough and ignorant enough to suggest voting BNP. You want to vote BNP? You want to vote for ENFORCED REPATRIATION? Disgusting. Maybe Britain is indeed, as this paper harps on everyday, 'broken' if there are people here who honestly think the BNP are a solution to anything. Absolutely foul.
Now. There's a surprise.
I wonder why NuLabour wants to destroy this country....what is really in it for them....
I know several Poles that have moved over here, very nice people. Maybe we should get more in and swap them for all the moaning Mail readers and the country would be a happier place.
Same as Labour's policies on the invasion of Iraq and the management of our economy - totally reckless and with zero planning for the future.
Gordon Brown, the idiot Phil Woolas and at least five or six cabinet members are surely guilty of Treason, specifically on this issue.
I don't understand any of this, after all Teflon Tony and The one eyed pension thief have been telling us for years that immigration is a good thing, and that the benefit to the country is immense. Not to mention that it is not happening on the scale that gets reported, and that they all go home in the end. Ohh wait hang on, it looks like they pulled the wool over my eyes for a moment there.
This was all so forseeable. We're a tiny rock and can't take any more. The "main parties" have totally let us down. I'll vote BNP in the election, not that I particularly agree with what they say but out of total desparation.
As so many others have pointed out on here, the only logical resolution to this issue is to vote in the BNP. However, this action would NOT necessarily reduce the immigration volumes but it would make those REPONSIBLE for the TREACHERY pay for their crimes.
if you combine government figures that are totally untrue with the extra demand on services along with the government only providing financial help that fits in with their official figures - the end result is we all get a much worse service and nobody really benefits.
Why can't we do as the Australians did in the 1960s? Friends of ours wanted to emigrate there but had to sell their homes here to enable them to buy a house in Melbourne, the husband had to be a skilled tradesman and a job lined up and they had to pass a full medical to prove amongst other things that they did not have TB. They did not go there expecting housing to be provided such as the ones in mansions in London or expect to get loads of other benefits which theyhad not contributed to. Time for us to pull the plug on all these freebies which we are paying for through our ever increasing taxes.
Immigration Minister Phil Woolas said that Eastern Europeans are going home. A bubble head who knows nothing and makes up every word that comes from his mouth.
Why yes Steven, let's look outside of Europe. What exactly does NI cover because I pay a lot of it monthly. I thought it was for NHS but as an American in the UK I cannot collect any public funds or use the NHS. My child as well whose father is my British born Husband. He pays a lot of NI contributions as well as thousand of pounds in visa fees for the privledge of having his wife live with him.
I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice - Anon, UK, 16/2/2010 16:21 Why aren't you in favour of the BNP? The 4 points you have made hit the nail straight on the head. However, only a BNP government would actually bring them into play. The three mainstream parties wouldn't even implement one of those points. Therefore if you really do feel strongly that your 4 points should be implemented then why won't you support the party who will implement them?
wow you BRITS are rather rash towards immigrant, not all immigrants are after your so called freebies,some have put in so much and have not taken anything out at all, I came in as an al levels student and i now hold a phd having paid international fees all thru... nothing short of a hundred thousand pounds altogether, with all these nastiness towards immigrants time to emmigrate out, unfortunately I cant take my money out with me.........Britain is not paradise you know .............................
You just know we are over populated by going to the supermarket, if they didn't open Sundays and late evening, it would be a stampede, the Government could stop Immigration from outside the EU but they wont!!
Why not put a COMPLETE halt on the whole immigration issue, for at least 20 years!!! It's totally outrageous to allow several million foreigners (UNINVITED) to flood this small, heavily over-crowded island. If they have the means to get here, then surely the authorities have the same means to stop them. Stop them at source! I'm sure it could be done. A worldwide effort is required. But big business will take anyone's money - that's the problem!!! AKA Cheap Flights??? Oh yes, not to mention the "bent" Labour Party, and the "Bent Broadcasting Corporation" which condones it.
Theses immigrants only want a better life. I'm sure if you lived in Poland, you would want to move to a wondeful country like Britain
We are used to Mr Woolas spouting stuff........ Not for much longer though....... Simples.
The UK is part of the European union and the free movement of it's citizens are permitted throughout. We have the same problem in California whose warm dry climate serve as a magnet for the rest of the country's welfare recipients.
Labour shot themselves in the foot by not restricting immigrants from Eastern Europe. Germany and France decided to limit new arrivals, we did not. Logically the Poles would then choose to come here, since after the Germans and French, we are the next strongest country in terms of economy. We should have followed their lead by restricting new arrivals and by not doing so have we have placed an enormous strain on public services, which will simply grow as these migrants have families. We take in tens of thousands of immigrants a year which is far too many. We need to reduce this number to just a few thousand and then only should take in those immigrants we need, not just any immigrant who only come here because they can (thanks to the EU!). Immigration should be a key issue for the next general election but again the main parties say almost nothing about it! Unbelievable.
Are we meant to be surprised? There are not enough jobs to go round, the NHS is stretched to breaking point and schools cannot cope, yet more and more immigrants pour in. Roll on General Election!
Anon UK, had better vote BNP if he is wishing for "a little common sense put into practice". He won't get that anytime soon from the out of touch big 3!
Obviously - L Hacking, Manchester, 16/2/2010 16:17 is standing in for bob roberts. What a fine example from the book of Damien McBride. Ignore the fact that Labour has positively encouraged mass immigration whilst concealing it deliberately from the electorate. What sort of person would try to distract attention from this by trying to put blame on the Conservatives. How can the Torioes disperse immigrants whilst not in government? It appears that L Hacking believes the Tories are in government and can or insults our intelligence. Labour sycophants seem to only have only a tenuous hold on reality and only a passing aquaintance with truth.
Ahhh just throw out all the dole scum chavs and nazi's out of our beloved country and we'll have plenty of room for hard working eastern Europeans.
Not only schools and hospitals but our whole economy is at breaking point. We are filled with people who simply are unable to support themselves and never will. A country is no different to a company it is only has good has the people in it.
ALL the parties in Westminster are to blame as none of them has the guts to face up to the cultural destruction of what was once a green and pleasant land! I am SICK of feeling like a foreigner in my own City! The party that listens to ordinary people like me will get my vote! Sadly it appears I will have to vote for the one that leaves a sour taste in the mouth but it's the only way!
In the space of 6 years my local town centre has changed beyond belief, often the only tongues you hear are Eastern Europeans!
Oh surprise, surprise - penny dropping is it? We are being swamped and the government (notice the small 'g') is refusing to believe this. I am NOT a racist, I do not care about the colour of people's skin or where they come from but I do care about being made to feel a 2nd class citizen in my own country.
If this is all true then why has the media been villifying the BNP for saying this exact thing for years. Oh I forgot the BNP are nuckle draggers , seems to me they have mor sense than a liblieconukip voter.
It's the new Liebour Utopia, welcome to third world Britannia. We will go the way of the original Australians, unwanted in our own land!
What are you t elling us for, we already know this and have been screaming about it for years. Councils, you know what to do, lobby your MP and Central Goverment and get them to sort it out. Do Councils have a charter they can use for Central Government....or would that too be a waste of time and money!!
I can understand this if they just claimed benefits,but all of the poles at least work hard,try calling for a british plumber,you will have to wait three days until they turn up,and then they charge you a fortune, To most poles this is the land of milk and honey, and i for one don`t have a problem with it.They work hard,don`t rip you off,are polite and most importantly try to become British. If you are going to blame anyone,then blame this bloody government, but don`t think it`s going to get better under the torys, because it won`t.
Those of us who became foreigners in our own home towns new this was happening: we knew about this 10 years ago.....so why are they bleating on about it now...it's TOO LATE. Until the BNP are voted in of course!
“Workers from those countries have benefited the UK economy filling skills and labour supply gaps in sectors such as health and care, hospitality and agriculture” No they haven’t, they’ve displaced the indigenous populace and are one of the key reasons for 2.5 million Brits out of work on the dole and with no chance of employment because of all the foreigners taking the jobs. As everyone knows, the figures cited by the government are all bogus as they have failed to keep count, as they have been forced to admit on numerous occasions. Total fraud and massive failure by government.
The problems we have are all caused by Tony Blair rushing to sign up to this mass immigration from Eastern Europe, I think his ploy was to swamp the country with cheap labour which enabled him to keep the wages of the working class low, without having to face the unions. Also he used the economic migrants to make up labour shortages caused by the many feckless people here who sit on the dole. Other countries did not join in for at least 3 years, thereby letting the UK take in the most of the Eastern European economic migrants, they must be having a real laugh at our stupidity. Meanwhile not only have the working class been priced out of jobs, they have to wait even longer for basic services because these have been swamped with migrants.
Soon your whole language will be contaminated by pollution with foreign tongues. Your pure-bred, totally English only-, ...uh...wait, that happened 1,000 years ago. Saxon or Norman? Check one. Extra points if you are a politically correct, mixed-race Saxonorman.
As Tony Bliar and co hated us all so much that he/they wanted to rub our noses in multiculturalism, and furthermore, as Labour threw open the doors to mass migration in a deliberate policy to change the social make-up of the UK, and welcomed dangeraous criminals into this country, I think it fair that all of the wealth he/they have built up is confiscated and used to overturn his disasterous and dishonest policies.
When I moved to Cyprus I had to get the permission of the Council of Ministers to buy my property there. This was only given when I could show through bank statements and other records that I could support myself and wife there. They also have a system where you have to pay into the Social Fund for at least one year before you get anything out of it. They don't seem to have any problems with illegal immigrants and free loaders there. I wonder why that is. Do you think that the UK can learn any lessons from this.
Of course that is the case. Most sane minded people understand this. Unfortunately the Socialist rabble that are intent upon re-engineering the population to vote ONLY for them every time do not give a damn. They only wish to hold on to power any way they can. And the sheeple continue to vote them in because they get a free ride. Eventually the free ride WILL end and those same sheeple will find that they too will have to pull their weight. Bring on the revolution and vote these (paraphrasing the words of a Liarbore MP) scum sucking pigs OUT.
11,000 Polish in Aberdeen. They havent gone home.
Welcome to the diversified, PC nuthouse, run by complete BUFFOONS & LAWLESS Britain, all you immigrants, this is what happens when you open the FLOODGATES, all of the above, especially diversity, DOES NOT WORK, & guess what? you are most WELCOME to it.
It's an absolute scandal and disgrace. The taxpayers of this country are being skinned right left and centre. Will the government do anything about it, I think not, they are too busy looking for new ways to line their pockets. Any new incoming government has got an impossible task because this rotten corrupt labour government has ruined this country beyond repair.
Anon, UK - you have just said EXACTLY what I was going to. I have in fact written to David Cameron saying just that.
You cannot get a quart into a pint pot. Never have been able to.
The sooner Britain has ID cards the better as long as they are not all intrusive only showing Residential status, citizenship, residential ststus etc. Only then can hundreds of thousands of illegalÂ’s in the country be weeded out and deported. Anyone found without a valid ID document should not receive any benefits, social security, health care etc. Nor should they be allowed to work or open bank accounts. Anyone employing illegalÂ’s should be sentenced to a minimum of ten years gaol and a fine of 50,000 pounds. The illegals should then immediately be deported. If they refuse to say where tey came from and how they got into the country they must be gaoled with hard labour until they do.!! (That will make the PC brigade and the liberal's teeth curl)
well theres a simple answer here. Pump more into the services give them more money, and bring more in. This will enrich the uk no end.
I really don't like the idea of the BNP in power, but right now I cannot see any other solution, as no other party will effectively deal with the problem of immigration. This is a very, very serious issue.
Anon, UK, 16/2/2010 16:21 Maby I am missing the plot here, but the way I interpret the article is that it is a veiled attack on EU immigrants. None of the points you raise are applicable to them.
Australia has got it right close the door before we sink
We have the same problem here on the Costa del Sol. Loads of old ex pats from Britain cluttering up the hospitals. Also a lot of families who come over and put their kids into Spanish schools. They don't speak a word of Spanish and therefore schools have to take on extra staff to teach them. If you can't afford a private English speaking school. don't come till your kids are past school age. You shouldn't want to put your kids at such a disadvantage in the first place! Scuzzers...
Typical of yet more Labour lies, the trouble is they don't the difference between truth and spin.
This is deliberate Labout policy, they believe that most of the immigrants will vote Labour. The British public has been conned. remember this at the general election.
ive said it before and no doubt i will have to say it again "MOANING DOSENT WORK",for over 50 years thats what brits have been doing "MOAN MOAN WHINE SNIVEL",some of you still seem to think that the 3 failed old parties are listening to you or even give a monkey's about what you want, think or say,WAKE UP AND FACE FACTS,are you unhappy with the state of our little land,if so who has been in charge for the last 50 odd years?thats right the 3 failed old parties,what we need is an alternative party one who will put the british people "FIRST,LAST AND ALWAYS",get us out of the e.u,stop all immigration,bring back capital and corporal punishment,replace our 5star prison hotels with no star hard labour camps,and that party is the BNP. otherwise re-elect the 3 failed old parties and i promise you that you will have no shortage of things to moan about for the next 5 years,the 3 failed old parties are not interested in what we want for our country,ourselves or our childrens future,THEY DONT CARE!
Tony, Gordon and the rest of the cronies allowed this to happen in the hope that this country would have a permanent labour government. They did not have the intelligence to realise that traditional labour voters would desert them in there thousands. Call me Dave, beware!!!!
The easy answer to that is throw the ones that don't work, and all those on state benefits out the country, job done.
The ONLY way to stop this flood of immigrants and asylum seekers milking us dry and destroying our society is to elect a BNP Government. It's that simple.
How long are we going to let this go on? We have been lied to and lied to and lied to, anything that worthless woolas says cannot be trusted. Im going to say this, Woolas I am tired of paying for these grasping individuals who seem to always get a better quality of life than we do, I am tired of you and your endless lies about your immigration agend, and most of all I am sick and tired of the labour party, the most disastrous reign of a government this country has ever had.
SHUT THE BOARDERS!!!!
Yes reason number three why the country is bankrupt , number one being Labours economic management and number two the banks .
Get ready for a further wave of fines, penalties, threats and punishments from whichever party wins the next election. The next attack on the Englishman is the "death tax" in order to pay for this debacle. How long does anyone think it will be before one of our vile political parties makes a Law that entitles them, and their rotten-to-the-core Local Authorities to assess the requirements of a home owner and forcibly "buy" that home from someone who has worked all their lives to buy it? And you wont get any money - instead it will go towards any care that you may need ( irrespective of the fact that you have already paid for care many times over through Income Tax and National Insurance) and any surplus will go into a "social pot" that caters for the glass-backed members of our society and the hoards of immigrants who have never contributed a penny!!! Everything our "leaders" do points to this. I will burn mine to the ground first!!!!!!!!!
As a schoolboy we worked out that the population of China could stand shoulder to shoulder on the Isle of Wight... Seems that NuLab are trying to prove it in practice... BUT Do not, as some Commentators on here, reduce yourselves to the 12 year Selective Memory Syndrome and lay ALL the blame on Labour... Remember the problem began in the 1950's and OK NuLab put the tin hat on it over the last decade. Sorry to say, no confidence that the Boy Dave will do much more than the Lib, Lab and Cons have done over the last 60+ years.
Get our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and use them to seal the borders of this over-populated island! This is the best way by far to stop terrorists entering our country, and would be far cheaper than the mega-billions we're spending in the aforementioned lands. Why, oh why is Phil Woolas not in a home for the deranged?????
And this is the reason why poor Mrs Brown/Jones/zindarway ends up on their bed in a cupboard!!!!
Simple... make the native EU country pay for the translators, medical costs and housing. Review after 10 years ..
lets have a census now, then we should know who is here legally after which we should start kicking out all the illegals and to hell with human rights and the bleating overpaid lawyers who are bleeding the taxpayer dry
Whats the matter with these politicians just close the doors for gods sake.
I read somewhere that the population for England is nearer 70 million. Who says that?Well,the people who sell food. Even taking into account the amount that some people consume, food manufacturers and supermarkets are saying that they are making/selling enough food for at least 70 million people in England. You have a census due next year but I am sure that the people who have to conduct it will not get the correct figures as there are so many illegals in the UK. As for immigration from Eastern Europe I am sorry but the UK is full. The idiot who said that only 13,000 would come and settle should be sacked.
Donald Alexander Merritt, England UK 16/2/2010 15:13 I agree with every thing you have said and I propose a reduction of central funding streams for areas with high immigrant populations.The NHS had a formula called RAWP which allocated resources on a population and need basis this could be used.The political message has always been that immigrants bring wealth into the country so the fair way would be to reduce the funding to the Local Authorities and the NHS.The monies saved could be put toward reducing the national debt and looking after our armed personnel who are being sent to die in foreign lands for no good purpose. The alternative of course is to vote BNP at the next election.
Does it really matter? Has the world stopped spinning. The apples still grow on the trees. Get over it and move on. - johnny, eastwood, notts, 16/2/2010 15:57 If you or your family need medical help in the future and are told there aren't the resources will you be so relaxed when you complain and a doctor tells you to 'get over it and move on?' The NHS is not a magic porridge pot otherwise those people in desperate need of life enhancing or life extending drugs would be receiving them.
"Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point, council chiefs warn" In my opinion from what I have seen and where I am from large areas of Great Britain are BROKEN. The Lib/Lab/Con will do NOTHING about immigration they will tell you lies lies lies because we have a general election soon. Immiigration will only be stopped by one Party, The BNP, British National Party. Wake up!! Do the research for yourselves don't believe the lies the mainstream media are feeding you about the BNP.
I'm appalled that anyone should be on benefits unless they are a UK citizen!! (I'm an Australian citizen by the way)
Do the same as the French do, if you want access to services, schools etc, you need to learn French. No interpreters or multi-lingual notices here!
I moved to London 12 years ago to study Design. It was full of creative, ambitious, inspiring, talented people. Now, It's a multi-cultural hell hole. It seems all the talented, aspirational people have left. I think it's too late now. Too many British passports have been handed out and we can't withdraw them now.
'Poles and Eastern Europeans', 'Poles and Eastern Europeans', 'Poles and Eastern Europeans'.... again and again. Is Poland not a part of Eastern Europe any more?? Is there any need to emphasize Poles all the time? I would recommend not wasting time on polish kids who are able to speak fluent English just after few months!
Be afraid - be very afraid. If you take the view that the country is being overwhelmed, if you are of the opinion that immigration is causing a problem then this labour government will brand you a RACIST!
Would you leave a country where you could get £100,000 in benefits without any need to work as can be seen in Richard Littlejohn’s story? We now know it was a deliberate policy to alter Britain (England?) forever. They must really hate us. Never mind, the Nanny and Cleaner Employing Classes at the BBC and Guardian are doing great.
Great Britain, Britain, no it is U-kay now! No longer 'Great'. I left in 1979 and since then I always wondered why it took me so long to leave. The Britain I knew as a Child during the '50s was but a memory! When any council, or Government allows privilege or entitlements, special treatment to a few, then the rest of U-kay gets p***ed on.
Oh, looks like they've finally woken up and smelt the coffee - what are we paying this lot for, most of us could have told them this years ago, for free!
Labour is ruining my life.
what makes it worse i am one of the jokers helping to fund their one to one to one tuition. good old labour you have bloated and ruined a once nice country,do the decent thing get together with the tories and leave these shores forever
Yet more lies on immigration from the Labour party. What do people expect? Everything Labour have said about immigration since 1997 has been untrue. However it looks as though we will have to experience a real crisis in service provision and chronic social breakdown before the penny finally drops.
Just something else to be grateful to new labour for, is suppose.
Why are these immigrants not paying tax, or council tax, oh silly me, they are all on benefits, while the rest of us pay for their kids, and parents, and anybody else who decides too come here..... what a joke. ...... LAbour you have ruined this country, and we want you all out. - sarah, london, 16/2/2010 15:56 Read the article again. Where does it say that immigrants from Eastern Europe are not paying tax or council tax? Try not making blanket assumptions about people who almost certainly came here to work.
The problem is that for every one person who enters the UK, you should add on an average 5 other family members they are allowed to bring with them, kids, parents etc etc. It is pretty obvious to me as a layperson that the more people you have in one small country, the more strain on all the services - particularly if many of those coming to the UK do not contribute any tax but are primary users of our services. Surely, this isn't rocket science? But, our policitians continue to tell us that these people don't receive benefits, that they contribute to our society in some way - this just isn't the truth. Many people do work but we also have thousands of illegal immigrants who know exactly how to play the system i.e. they know that if they do not have a passport, they cannot be deported under the 'uman rights act so guess what, they lose their passports - on purpose. They are also often arrested only to be released and told to report to authorities - guess what, they don't report in!
It's not only schools and the NHS. t's everything. The roads the housing THE MONEY. LABOUR has ruined this COUNTRY.
This was something all sensible people knew would happen years ago,, but our thick, lazy, useless MPs were too scared to do anything that might upset the immigants..... now we have to pay through taxes,,,,
We are a rich country and can afford to welcome them with open arms.Their children will go on one day to ne our doctors lawyers and MP's and do jobs most of us can only dream of doing.This makes me proud to be called British and shows us to be a tolerant nation.
This inept government just havent a clue,funny they should know how many immigrants are going home, but they havent a clue how many have come in to the country, SPIN SPIN and more SPIN,a" STAN LAUREL and OLIVER HARDY" look alike government.
They wouldn't listen, why should they listen? Blair and his cronies all on private or personal medical care. The Loonies are going to have us all as poor a church mouse very soon. Communism rules O.K
I know of a Brazilian person living in this country for 20 years, doesn't speak a word of english and is illiterate. How can this be right? I'd happily vote for a government that were willing to review all immigrants to validate their stay, they need to:- Speak & write English Adopt English culture & traditions (yes we do have them) Have a qualification or skill in an area that has a shortage in this country If their country is bad then they need to figure out how to fix it - it can no longer be our problem as we have too many issues ourselves to fix. "How can we help others when we can't help ourselves?"
You clowns all got what you voted for.
And while more and more come in, more and more of or money goes overseas in aid.( £8billion plus last year alone) The only reason Woolas alleges to have listened to the British people is the fact that the British National Party is making vast gains at Liebour expense
They are not a boost to the economy, they are a drain on the economy. A family with 3 children costs £15,000 in schooling alone. Are any of them paying taxes of that amount? I doubt it. What about the capital costs of building new schools and hospitals, the drain on the NHS (and don't tell me the NHS could not work without them - with fewer people in the country we should need fewer doctors and nurses)? What about the cost in loss of amenity, loss of countryside, flooding from building on the flood plain? The list is endless. Extra money from the government is not conjured out of thin air, it comes out of our taxes. Why should I pay to house someone in a house costing £1,700 a month when I earn less than that myself? Why indeed should I pay for a lap top for a family on benefits when our family cannot afford one? What happens when the children of the current immigrants want better jobs than their parents had? Import more immigrants? Like everyone I am sick and tired of it.
Hardly rocket science to work this one out is it?
They are not a boost to the economy, they are a drain on the economy. A family with 3 children costs £15,000 in schooling alone. Are any of them paying taxes of that amount? I doubt it. What about the capital costs of building new schools and hospitals, the drain on the NHS (and don't tell me the NHS could not work without them - with fewer people in the country we should need fewer doctors and nurses)? What about the cost in loss of amenity, loss of countryside, flooding from building on the flood plain? The list is endless. Extra money from the government is not conjured out of thin air, it comes out of our taxes. Why should I pay to house someone in a house costing £1,700 a month when I earn less than that myself? Why indeed should I pay for a lap top for a family on benefits when our family cannot afford one? What happens when the children of the current immigrants want better jobs than their parents had? Import more immigrants? Like everyone I am sick and tired of it.
The only way that the government can drive down our wage packets and the country remain competitive is to undermine the wage structure by bringing in cheap labour to compete. That is just wage slavery and exploitation, and that is why more and ore underdeveloped countries are allowed to join the EU. When Poland and Portugal have been rebuily using EU money, they will all go home and Turkey will join then we will be flooded with Turks. Who said that slavery was illegal! Only when we get out of the EU,send them home,and force the benefit spongers off the dole and into the jobs the migrants leave, will the balance be restored, you never know, the scroungers might actually retrain and educate themselves to get better jobs too instead of studying what benefits to scrounge next...I want my country back!......You know the one with justice,opportunity and fairness for all, not just those at the top with private schools and healthcare... rule Brittania
Hello!!!! As if we didn't know. How slow can these council dinosaurs be? Now, how many more years do we have to wait for them to actually act on these 'new' findings?
Have they only just realised we are being run by a bunch of clowns aaarrrrggggghhhh hate this country!!!!!
Don't be silly - they stay here and send child nenefit back home where it goes a lot further. I know several (know not know off) immigrant families who claim income support & housing benefit then send some of that money back home to parents and siblings in their origina; country. Then our government borrows money and gets us deeper in debt.
So I take it that we can acknowledge that New Labour's social engineering experiment went a tad wrong then? Where is their "plan B"? Or did they ever have a plan "A"... or an operating brain cell between them.
I know people in South Yorkshire, and in and around Doncaster they have loads of Poles. How much employment is there in Doncaster? Very little. So why are they there?
In other news, Pope confirmed as Catholic.
Zanu Labour hate Britain and British traditions and they have used uncontrolled immigration as a weapon of mass destruction.
Talking about Poles and Eastern Europeans is just a diversion. They represent only about 25% of immigrants coming to this country in the last few years. The majority come from Asia and Africa and never go home but stay. In 2001 Labour opened the floodgates to all and sundry. Immigraton tripled. Net immigration is another diversion, loads of Brits are leaving because of immigration. They want to escape the multi-cultural hell-hole created by Nu Labour for their own self serving interests.
Never mind eh, Tony & Cherie. It's all helping to make this a truly multi-cultural country and rubbing the Right's nose in it just like you wanted. I take it they'll not be the schools and hospitals that you and your buddies in champagne socialist land will be using though?
It's England's immigration boom. 9 out 10 immigrants prefer it England. England, Daily Mail try saying it. We know that Brown and Cameron can't say the word but surely you can?
**MASS IMMIGRATION** Another LIEbore ill thought out success story and Brown thinks we should RE-Elect his usless bunch of Misfits .Still there are 28% bunch of IDOITS still believe in LIEbores Lies and False Promises anybody who votes for LIEbore ever again should seek treatment ASAP .O and i dont get the cold allowance BUT i STILL pay my Taxes to Brown so he can give to everybody else.
Come back to bite you all on the bum has it, not long ago you were all accusing the BNP, of being not only alarmists but racist. You were all promoting the multicultural society of Britain. Now you are saying, we can't afford to finance this influx of immigration,oh dear, no forward thinking or planning from wizards of control now the money is running out. Well you lot started it now you had better get your heads together with,Alan and Boris, the Johnson brothers who want a population of 70 000 000, we don't hear you boys what is happening, are we crumbling under the pressure.........
Let them all in, Liebour, give them all benefits and big houses, and if you completely swamp us there'll be enough to vote you back in. Wasn't this the idea? Gerrymandering? - Surely this must be the worst case in history.
I am sure the elderly lady left in a windowless broom cupboard in a Norfolk hospital recently has a strong opinion on this subject.
they come to the uk and claim child benefit for their children immediately. I am british and have a british daughter, I have always paid uk tax and I still pay full uk tax. I am temporarily abroad and I have had to stop claiming child benefit even though I am still paying uk tax but the immigrants can claim it for their non british children.
"Three quarters of Eastern Europeans have gone home" its just government propaganda to try and pacify the tax paying public/ potential voters. This government could teach Joseph Stalin a thing a or two about propaganda, we are getting it now on a daily basis conjured up by Brown's spin doctors and distributed on their media machine the BBC
New Telephone Greeting: Wouldn't it be amazing, if this caught on, All over the country...? 'GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO THE UNITED KINGDOM ' 'Press '1' if you speak English.' 'Press ''2'' to disconnect until you can
Does it really matter? Has the world stopped spinning. The apples still grow on the trees. Get over it and move on. - johnny, eastwood, notts, 16/2/2010 15:57 I expect your on benefits and can't be bothered about anything Of course it matters. Our country cannot keep on having more and more people living here. what happens when there are more out of work than in work
As recently announced in the press this is all part of the Labour party plan to create client voters drawn from immigrants. Under educated and poor they will help compensenate for the loss of the traditional working class that Labour have depended upon in the past. With teachers weighed down with having to teach children who cannot speak the english language, it will result in not only the immigrants but British children as well falling into the poverty trap, which the Labour Party relies on for voters. This cynical attempt to change the nature of our country will unfortunately result in extremist reactionary groups coming to the fore and again changing the UK from a tolerant to an intolerant society.
hasnt it taken a long time to find out? just think what whizz kids we could have become if we also had one to one tuition. not racist just common sense
Perhaps its time all economic migrants were sent home, it would reduce our social support bills, free up council homes, reduce school places, etc. Labours policy has ruined the UK.
I give up! Its the fall of rome all over again, i warned my colleagues at work in 97. That liebour would mob us out with immigrants to create a global village and thats what they have done, they are trotskyite traitors!
Britain is too much of a soft touch. The Government needs to toughen up on immigation laws otherwise total control will be lost.
'Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point....' At least Gordy can't be remotely accused not being consistent! We've had him claim to have abolished the economic boom and bust: we've had the boom and now have the bust (in the form of the tax hikes and spending cuts to come to pay for that boom)! Now, after the Labour socially engineered immigration boom, we have the bust in the impact on public services and the need to fund the extra costs! Maybe the pressure on public services will lessen, once immigrants have been informed by Woolas about the principles of queuing?
It appears that Joe Public have been forced into a silent corner and they must not even mention the word "immigration" - with Woolas spouting pure abject spin and waffle, as usual. Enough is more than enough. Did you hear that Woolas - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?
Ruth Bagley is completely right. Apparently some astronomical figure like 54% of pupils in Slough primary schools don't have English as their first language. Housing in this area is at a premium. Whether the government acts "ostrich like" or not, this problem will not go away. Slough needs more money to cope.
Just another case of the government pursuing it's own hidden agenda, whilst local authorities and the electorate are ignored over their concerns about the falling quality of life in this country and the reasons why. It will only get worse as public services and funding is cut, and more and more English nationals find themselves out of work and are not paying taxes to support those services which we are constantly being denied whilst watching the queues of the undeserving poor standing with their hands out and getting paid having paid nothing into the system........Only 10 weeks left of these incompetents, just maybe, the voice of the English national will then be heard worldwide, enough is enough....
dont worry everyone im sure the resulting above inflation council tax rise will cover for all the extra people
We know this & have done for a long time. The government also know this but don't care !
Another consequence of Bliar's lies and deception and the bungling of unelected derisory PM Brown. Gorm Gord seriously believes anyone sane would vote for him in a few weeks time? Even diehard, honest socialists must despair of him and his gang of inepts.
When will these labour lunatics stop ALL immigration, round up and deport all illegals and then carefully control the influx?? The answer is never because they are hellbent on destroying the UK or should I say they have succeded in doing so.
This is just what the labour government wanted. Its all part of their Master plan to wreck the country.
My 13 year old son is being home educated because he can't get into any of his 3 choices of secondary school! My husband and I both work full time and pay our taxes and my Grandfather fought in the Second World War but my child can't get into school, I just do not understand what is happening to this once great country!
Where is the money coming from for the new schools, translators, homes, hospitals, etc.? the British taxpayers - of which the people in these towns form part. Who is paying the cost of sending the many children of one immigrant family to school? - not the taxes of the new arrivals. A man with 3 children at school costs £15,000 in school costs alone, not to mention capital build, national health, and use of other facilities. What about all the British people who cannot get a job and are on the dole? Who is paying for them? Do government and councils factor in these costs when they speak of the so-called financial benefits of immigration? Not to mention the social costs and loss of quality of life. It is a myth that immigration is beneficial. On a small scale it can bring small benefits. On a large scale it can only bring problems and distress.
How do Blair/Brown sleep at night. I hope and pray that those who vote in the next election will do so with the utmost care. I have been commenting in this newspaper for quite a few years and I like most saw this coming. We have to act and soon .
700 immigrants every day, No really, how did that happen; and they don't speak English, no really, how did that happen
"The figures are at odds with Home Office Minister Phil WoolasÂ’s claim that immigrants come to Britain to work and then return home, leaving a stable population." Who believes any figures produced by the government anymore!! Hands up all the misguided dupes that do!
Oh dear, more fuel for the BNP. England was built on immigration but our economy cannot stand this. Do we close our borders? Do we ask everyone who came here in the last thirty years to leave? This is a problem we have made for ouselves and no one wants to answer. Thats freedom for you.
Any sensible free thinking person living in this country, already knew this. I do not need anyone to tell me it is more difficult now to see my GP. than ever before. I do not need telling that the roads are overcrowded. It is common knowledge that schools are really stretched to cope properly. What we all need is a government that will listen and take some sort of action to reduce numbers, instead of altering the system and telling us everything is getting better.
Here we go again... I am fed up with reading the same stuff about our services getting hammered to death with the influx of immigrants using this country for all the freebies we have on offer. Please can we do the following:- 1) Close the doors on any more immigrants wanting to enter 2) Only let people that have lived here five years and paid into the system take anything out 3) Make people who enter this country pay for their health, education, children and housing out of their own money not tax payers of this country 4) Stop making British Citizens feel 2nd class If they started with these few simple ideas maybe our council tax bills would drop instead of increasing year after year. I'm not in favour of the BNP before you think im an avid supporter, just would like a little common sense put into practice
Numerous parties, from Conservatives to Immigration Watch to the B.N.P etc have voiced concerns about this over the last few years and have been condemned as racists and bigots for using terms like overwhelmed and swamped. It looks as though they were right after all. It can only get worse.
Nice picture. The focus should be on immigration from outside Europe however. Such immigration is entirely the responsibility of the UK government.
welcome to the lefts Babel UK where nothing will work and nobody will belong. time to create a two tier society: people that cant speak English at school should be in seperate basic institutions likewise the Health Service and Social services
Come to England - speak English! We should not waste our well earned money accomodating people who should not be here in the first place. You want translators - pay for them yourself or struugle, If i visit another country I'm expected to conform and learn the language. You want housing work for it like the majority of the British public have to. Rights you have none, if you want them go home and demand them from your owngovernments
The European Union is a load of rubbish economically and immigrationally. I have no problems with people coming over here to live, but now I think it is time to start wihdrawing free health care, free schoolng, free Dhss and free housing to those who want to come over and set up camp as they offer very little to our society. It makes sense, there are thousands if not millions out there who pay their way, pay for private treatment, pay for private schooling, pay for their own homes so why can't those who make a profound decision to come over and live!
So why don`t they move these immigrants out to the lovely quiet little village areas and disperse the problem throughout the country instead of overcrowding our towns and cities.. Could it be that the Tories don`t want them in their own back yard? Surely they would welcome a little enrichment.....No?
"The Government described the number of languages and dialects spoken by pupils in Reading as 'extraordinary' and conceded that it would place schools under extra pressure." For 'extraordinary' read 'oh dear, we really should have thought this through'. ALL immigration of any form whatsoever is 100% guaranteed to put extra stress on ALL resourses, that's just basic common sense.
WHAT'S NEW !!
Another benefit of the Labour's mulitcultural Britain.
What? I thought they were benefitting our economy, enlightening our lives and generally putting us natives to shame. That's why they're here isn't it?
You cant set budgets if you dont know who it will be for. This govt are criminaly inept; it is reasonable to beleive the left actauly want to destroy our system and culture so they can rebuild a twisted leftist fantasy
it was just a matter of time before the truth came out!!
Suprise Suprise!!!! Just what the rest of us could see five years ago. Still better late than never. Now how about kicking a few out or at least not alowing access to the NHS until 3 years national ins has been paid and no access to school until they can speak english. Because those two items are a massive drain on cash and resource.
Immigration has got to stop NOW!!!
What about the half a million third world immigrants that arrive every year. It far outweighs the effect Polish migrants have on society. Many come with little knowledge of English and large families. Ill say no more.
It is what most of ther country has been saying for a long time and still this govenment has taken No Notice! There are far too many immigrants in our country and they are getting priority on Housing, medical treatment, benefits & schooling all of which is a drain on resources...and is losing our British identity & way of life!
...."Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point, council chiefs warn." OBVIOUSLY. TELL US SOMETHING WE DON'T ALREADY KNOW.
Did any of the complainers read the article above this one saying about the strain the influx of immigrants have put on healthcare,schools and policing? these are the ones you should be complaining about.
A statement of the bleeding obvious. Anyone who lives in the real UK has known this for years
To say that these 'experts' are connected witheducation it's taken them a long time to figure this one out. Why do we employ these people who can manage to come with the ruddy obvious only after years of struggling and added costs. Do the authorities bury their heads in the sand until they can come up with solution that they were responsible for creating in the first place. It appears that thi situation doesn't stop with the government but is passed doen the ranks like some incurable disease. Even more despair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Roll on!
OK - let me start a heated debate. The only party which has any logical answer to this is the BNP Now they are not a racist party after the recent amendments I will be voting for them. Immigration on these levels must stop NOW!
Tell us something we don't know. Another failed Labour policy. Bring on the Election
"Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point, council chiefs warn" In my opinion from what I have seen and where I am from large areas of Great Britain are BROKEN. The Lib/Lab/Con will do NOTHING about immigration they will tell you lies lies lies because we have a general election soon. Immiigration will only be stopped by one Party, The BNP, British National Party. Wake up!! Do the research for yourselves don't believe the lies the mainstream media are feeding you about the BNP.
I have just driven a round trip across the country, the traffic is horrible and I think this too can be attributed in some part to the additional influx! We are an island and we cannot cope any more. There will be a revolution if this isn't sorted out!
The right of the English to a homeland of our own has been utterly crushed by BOTH mainstream parties. Neither they nor the LidDems, of course, nor UKIP will defend our human right to pass our ancetral land on to our own children. Government in this land has no moral legitimacy.
It's treason of the highest order which demands heads should roll, but of course they won't and that's why my family will vote BNP!
Tell us something we dont know. This is only the tip of the iceberg. stop the influx of imigrants and stop it now. get rid of the ones that have no entitlement to be here. Job sorted in a nutshell.
They just would'nt listen. What now?
Does it really matter? Has the world stopped spinning. The apples still grow on the trees. Get over it and move on.
Why are these immigrants not paying tax, or council tax, oh silly me, they are all on benefits, while the rest of us pay for their kids, and parents, and anybody else who decides too come here..... what a joke. ...... LAbour you have ruined this country, and we want you all out.
Not just 3 councils, all councils and services are under pressure. A friend works as a dental nurse she said that immigants arrive in a group, demand urgent treatment and do not pay anything. Whereas people who work, pay taxes etc. have to pay fortunes to get their teeth fixed or like a lot of pensioners have them rot because they cannot afford to have them treated. £800 for a filling and a crown is a lot of money out of just over £5k a year pension.
No spoken english..........no school. No sponsor or job............no entry Not contributing after six months benefits..............removed from UK. The great social experiment is over and it is a failure, now it is time to toughen up on who we allow into this country and those that stay but will not embrace our way of living are removed back to their homeland.
Really! You surprise me!!! NOT!!!
really! another victory for the clown.
Thanks Labour!
I understand the concerns of any council who have a large influx of immigrants. It is wrong though to bunch all in one group as the major problem is not immigration but more immigrants who cannot or will not fully integrate into mainstream British culture. Poles may cause problems regarding jobs etc but we know they will integrate and also that they are from within the EC anyway. This country must have the courage to say this and not to feel as if they are fascist or racist . West Indians will integrate as there are only minor culture clashes which disappear within a generation or so. We must have the freedom to start saying it as it is. At the moment we cannot and if we try our voices will not be allowed to be heard.
I love this mad world!
blame labour yet again. it was obvious from the start that with an open door policy we would be inundated with immigrants. perhaps if we stopped supplying a translation service it would help. for instance i would not think of retiring to spain unless i could speak spanish.
There is a real simple solution to both of our common problems. Seal borders, and stop benefits. It is not rocket science folks. Without benefits and jobs they will not want to come, and seal the borders for those who come illegally. Watch the budgets get better magically. Sorry, but our countries cannot simply hold the entire world populations within out borders, it is physically impossible, our infrastructures, our service agencies, etc. California has paid 630 million dollars we needed to fix our infrastructure and schools to teach English to those who come here who will not pay themselves to learn it. Sound reasonable? No, since we the taxpayers have to provide everything for everyone. There is not enough money to go around folks, stop them coming, make it unattractive to come, i.e., no jobs, no benefits, and seal the borders. Period.
Will they never learn something has to burst a small over populated country can't continue with mass immigration. But Clegg, Cameron and Brown want it to continue.
just keep voting LiblabCon. we all know this story can not be true do we not ? Get us out of the EU someone !
Perhaps Teflon Tone and his money grabbing wife can take a few of these "deserving" cases into one of their properties and care for them.
How can they be short of money for services after all immigrants are supposed to be adding to our national wealth?
Anyone with half a brain (which doesn't include our politicions) knew this would happen, a small price to pay for votes, just destroy our country. I'm just waiting for civil war to break out. There is only so much people will take before they snap.
" Britain's immigration boom is stretching schools and hospitals to breaking point " TELL US SOMETHING WE DIDN'T KNOW !!
It's an absolute, thorough, complete and utter DISGRACE. This isn't telling the ordinary British born and bred man and woman, both middle and working class, anything they didn't already know and indeed have known for years now. BNP - sorry it's the only answer and I wish more people would wake up to the fact.
But this is what New Labour wanted, a new Country. And this is what the voters wanted who put New Labour there.
Obviously these town hall chiefs haven't read about all the economic benefits migrants bring to the country. They really do need to get on side or else people might start thinking that all this talk about our our culture being enriched both financially and aesthetically by immigration might just be a cartload of liberal/left horse manure. And we wouldn't want that to happen now would we?
Time to end immigration then. We've been saying it for years, but will the government, or the opposition listen? No they will not.
While the councils said they welcomed the boost to their economies provided by immigration, they have called for the Government to increase their grants to reflect their true populations. If they are a boost to their economies why should they be asking for MORE money? The truth is they are NOT a boost to their economies.
Bulgaria is to be blame
The thing that concerns me the most is the crime. People against people fighting over a scrap of food we will be back in the Victorian times before we know it only with more Europeans.
This used to be a Christian country with Christian values so I am rather more concerned about migrants from non-Christian countries than I am about East Europeans. It is not necessary that anyone should actually practise Christianity (I don't) but that we should all share a common value system. That is what makes for a healthy and free society, not the accursed lie that is "multiculturalism".
Greetings from Bulgaria ! :) I've been reading your and other sites' comments and thinking...what is this - discrimination or what: 1) Have you ever been to Bulgaria? Have you been to Sofia, to the mountains, to the sea, have you tasted the local food? 2) Put yourselves in the shoes of intelligent Bulgarians listening and reading all these "nice" comments... 3) I've studied English, English literature in high school, I've graduated from university taking at least half of courses in English. My working language is now English. God, I cannot recognize any of the English culture in your comments, excuse me! 4) Why don't you consider the option that some Bulgarian or Romanian expert might actually contribute to your welfare? Just test them farelly, put them through some SHL tests, and take the risk to hire somebody... 5) Please don't make me change my mind about English, Irish and Scottish people - I like them and I have good friends among them. Peace..!
There is a court case in Germany at the moment by a Bulgarian woman who had become pregnant and lost her job. She applied for assistance and was told that she is not entitled to welfare help and to go home to Bulgaria. The court is ruling on nothing less than the right of EU citizens across the 27-nation bloc to the same social welfare payments in Germany that the country's own nationals are entitled to.... That would mean that we would not be the only country who appears to do this. So maybe an incentive for immigrants to travel to other EU countries not just here.
The significance of the statement I am about to make regarding the E.U should be obvious to everyone I quote," Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps,each disguised as having an economic purpose but which will irreversibly lead to federation." Do you know who said that? it was a Frenchman called Jean.Monnet, who with another made that statement in 1948, which if you look at the evidence from then up to now proves quite conclusively that it would become a Federal United States of Europe.All of the powers that be new this from 1948, if we keep going along this path we will cease to be an independent sovereign nation, already large amounts of that sovereignty has been lost, almost making our own parliament redundant. One could make a case for the E.U to be anti democracy, with all power being taken to the center, , then two words spring to mind, dictatorship, fascism.
i love my Bulgarian plummer he is half the price of any British worker and he takes cash to avoid the VAT a great example of Tony Blair and labours "economic migrants".
Pass them straight over the Ireland, just like the French did at Sangatte.
Even the indians are no scare of the cold and damp,so why BG and RO should have been ? So funny
When they joined the EU on 1 January 2007, Romania and Bulgaria were told they still had progress to make in the fields of judicial reform, corruption and organised crime. From what we read, they haven't, so they should not be allowed free access to other EU counties, and particularly the UK. The way they will comply is for all these criminals to leave their countries and come here !
The 'Open Borders' policy was signed up for in 1986, swithin the European Act, so plenty of governments have had time to try and change it, but have chosen not to do so. They are all to blame.
Maybe I'm wrong, but my common sense tells me, that if people from Bulgaria or Romania REALLY wanted to come to the UK, that they would have done so when they joined EU, by taking a self-employment option. That is not such a difficult thing to do if you REALLY want to migrate. So, I'm assuming that not many of them will come now, because those who wanted to do it, already did it. However, it makes it unfair that the British are the biggest migrant group in the world and yet treat others in such disgusting way. And this thing with bullying Bulgarians and Romanians has become too ugly and I believe it should not be allowed.
If slick, lying Cameron cared about the people of this country he would stop this irresponsible madness now. The tax payers are being bled dry to pay for all this, and still he carries on sending nearly twenty billion a year to the EU FOR NOTHING IN RETURN, except that rich land owners like his relatives can carry on receiving millions each year in EU land subsidies, and Heseltine £900,000, all free and courtesy of the tax payers, not forgetting those top unelected EU 'jobs for the boys' when the pro EU politicians finish in Westminster. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP, AS CAMERON CERTAINLY WONT PUT A STOP THE EU GRAVY TRAIN.
This is why people are upset about the EU.We apparently have no control of our borders.Our legal system is dictated by the European Court.Our government has to say "No" to any further immigration.We are led to believe we are in the throes of a triple-dip recession; we have health, housing and education services in chaos because they cannot meet demand, but most of all, we are an island which cannot grow into the sea.We have got to stop this.There is already the possibility of other countries joining and it is ludicrous to think that all those countries can just cross each others borders without restriction We are losing our own skilled people who are abandoning the country in despair of what the future holds for their children.We cannot fight as our politicians will not listen to us.I would be gone tomorrow with all my family if I could The government website is already saying that parents and grandparents of those authorised to work here can join them.It's a nightmare scenario.
It is incredible that our so called government have to advertise to dissuade people not to come to Britain! Since when were we asked whether we wanted to give up the right to control our own boarders? Grow a pair, leave the eu and just say no!! I won't hold my breath.
The Victorians thought global expansion was infinite.The Russians thought communism was infinite..America thought the export of the "American Dream" was infinite.Banks thought credit was infinite. Now David Cameron thinks the patience of the electorate,the toll on the NHS,social housing,increased pressure on local police in dealing with a totally underestimated invasion is infinite. Bye,Dave.You did a Gillian Taylforth,Old Son.
I can't wait until 2 days after the 2015 general election when the 3 main political parties realize they have taken a major hit in the polls. It will serve them right. They are allowing immigrants into the country for political reasons and 'blow back' can't come soon enough.
The Government should get their advertising johnnies to come up with something really outrageous, like telling them it's not safe to come here with gangs of drunken thugs roaming our towns and cities looking for trouble. Alternatively, they could just LIE.
It these people come they will be entitled to benefits. Most if they do manage to find jobs will be on minimum wage. A couple with a child with one partner working 40 hours a week on minimum wage will be entitled approximately at least £172 a week, child benefit, working and child tax credit, rent and council tax. If not working approximately £340 a week. If both working child care so the sky is the limit.
Britain has become the dustbin of the world, and we have to put up with more beggars. Disgusted - Hants
A bit of cools and rain will not deter them from the benefits that will be lavished upon them as soon as they arrive!
Coming to your town soon plus millions of Turks. Vote for Con/lib/lab for more of this folks!
England should be concerned. But not because Bulgarians or Romanians will invade the country, but because young people, like the one couple that made the news, have decided that is not worth their time to work for a minimum wage. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.." this is written on the Statue of Liberty. Those immigrants have made America great. Limiting such fresh blood, any nation is risking degradation. Sure thing that initially things might be a little bit harder, but eventually all will work for the best. Bulgaria, for one, has a better growth lately than England. Eastern Europe, one day, will become a much better place. So if you have not bought your retirement property already(and you do have the money) go ahead and invest there. It is an opportunity to reclaim some of the "losses" you might be experiencing now :)
You gotta love how the government has been telling UK citizens to holiday at home - it's great, and telling foreigners don't come here, it's rubbish. I know which message is most accurate.
Can someone please explain this situation to me? The Government are trying evade the possible influx of immigrants from Bulgaria and Rumania off coming to settle in the UK by telling them that it rains and is cold??? I can't get my head around why when they come from a country which has colder winters etc than us should deter them! I'm not into politics but shouldn't they be saying "Don't come to the UK unless you have a job" "Don't come to the UK unless you have somewhere sorted out to live", Don't come to the UK unless you can support your family", Don't come to the UK unless you have private medical insurance in place" IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE!!!!!!!
I am a Bulgarian, have been living here for more than 5 years. I first came when we joined the EU in 2007 and went to uni, graduated with a law degree and ended up working for a fast food chain as a manager. Reason being that the law firms would only hire 8% foreigners and you can imagine the competition. Am I incapable, I don't think so, but I quit complaining about it long time ago. The fact is, whatever you do in this country, no matter how you prove yourself or how well you speak the language, you would always be looked at as a foreigner, someone who doesn't t belong here. You can complain about Bulgarians and Romanians, fair enough, but what about the Polish then? They come by buses, hoping to find work through a friend of a friend. One in a hundred speaks English and that one is responsible for the other 99, who don't even bother to learn the language! - Mimi Markova, Southampton, United Kingdom-----------Mimi Mirkova, take those chips off your shoulder, will you?
- Marek Mazur , Kielce, Poland ==== I think you overlooked that Steve is a UK taxpayer, which means he's an ex-pat working in another county, not living off benefits and probably fully intends to return once the work is over. The difference between Britis
They should receive the same level of financial assistance they get in their own countries if they come here. I went to a meeting with a UK MEP last week and she stated benefits given are responsibility of each Country, NOT dictated by EU. So, No benefits or any more free housing if you've not paid into system for 5 FULL working years -selling big issue doesn't count. If interest rates rose tomorrow, triple dip recession saw more born and bred British citizens loose their homes, would all these benefits and free housing be available to them? No they've made themselves intentionally homeless. Well those that leave their own countries should be deemed to have done the same. CAn we get off these blogs and instead MARCH in protest to the house of commons - banners - No more immigration.
Seriously, when I first read the headline about Romanians being put off because of our bad weather, I literally snorted into my cornflakes and chuckled all day, at the utter stupidity of the peons who dreamed up that piece of nonsense. How much do we pay these fools? It is abundantly clear as to why we are in such a parlous state when we have idiots like this running the show.
We are under an evil ploy to destroy us. Why are we paying taxes ??? we have very little in return now. Our rulers are all part of this sinister plot and it is time the whole lot were exposed in our Media. Some of us are seeing the truth dawn and unless we stop this we are facing a truly horrible existence.
This is why we have to work till we drop we have paid in all our lives for somebody else to claim benefits without paying a penny in!!!! I should have been collecting my pension next year now I have to wait another 7 years. Vote UKIP
Benefits should not be paid until they have been here for say 5 years, then the benefits payable must be limited to what they could receive in their own country. - George C., Maidenhead, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 16:21 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Should be here for 10+ years Working and paying TAX.
Tell them the polish took all the money.
What did Cameron say, ?. "The NHS Is Safe In Our Hands". Pennine Acute Hospitals Trust may cut up to 1,000 jobs Pennine Acute Trust employs about 10,000 people Trust probes redundancy blunder Hospitals 'putting lives at risk' Up to 1,000 jobs could be lost at a Greater Manchester NHS trust as it tries to save millions of pounds by April 2012. The Pennine Acute Trust runs North Manchester General, Fairfield in Bury, Rochdale Infirmary and the Royal Oldham Hospital and employs 10,000 staff. It expects to have to save £45m but said that could rise once it knows the services GPs want to commission. Chief executive John Saxby said he hoped to avoid compulsory redundancies. Mr Saxby said the trust faced an "unprecedented" financial challenge and savings could not be achieved purely by cutting waste and other expenditure.
Richard Littlejohn for Prime Minister with Honours
What is the Tory party proposing to do about it ?. Exactly the same as Labour, nothing !.
Shame the Govt doesnt send that warning of cold and dark to the energy companies tiara lincoln
What I would like to know is, WHY? they have their Human Rights to come here, and we have no Human Rights to stop them, then, why? do they have their human rights to get benefits and free health care, but the people of this country have no human right for anything, they have the right to come here, and WE cannot stop them, they can get free health care, but the pensioners who have worked all their lives paying taxes, and struggled a lifetime buying a home, but when they need care, they will have to pay £75,000 from their home, to PAY for their OWN, National Health, now that cannot be classed as national heath care, so what has happened to our HUMAN RIGHTS for our health care which we have paid for all our lives, why has everyone who comes here have those human rights but we have none. without a doubt, this is sick Britain, because our Governments have no backbone to fight for us, one of David Cameron's Promises amongst many, amending those human right, but they all bit the dust.
And soon there'll be Turkey as well! And best of all, the Great British public now likes Labour best, and wants to stay in Europe!!!!!
That's why the bedroom tax is coming to throw indiginous British out of their homes, to allow all the migrants a decent home for themself and their poor, poor families. The British are so welcoming, come one, come all and take what you will. No-one will stand up for the immorality of what Cameron and Gleggy are doing to the powerless people of this once great country.
Dave stop getting involved with foreign wars when you. Have one going on in the UK if you get your mind what is going on here at home then stay away.
They should be told the truth there's no work there's no social payments to immigrants there's no housing for nothing you can only come here if your sponsors will support you or if you have proven money and means tested to be a asset for the country with the skills needed to gain employment in areas in short supply . ........ Oh yea that's right we are stuck in Europe not Australia,Great Britain was sold a decade ago by the so called people's party to become rich and famous while bankrupting us for many years the elected mp's of the last 40 years should be held to account for this how can we live in a free world when are grandparents can't afford heating and working family's can't feed there children.
The expected influx of Bulgarians and Romanians, added to the Poles who are already here and continue to flood in, will be nothing compared to the continuing huge migration to this country from Third World countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh and Somalia. One thing is for sure, the only political party who will benefit from all this is UKIP!
It will just encourage them more to go for heating allownce
Eastern Europe. The last Soviet secret weapon.
Dear Brits, your plan to defame your country will certainly amuse Bulgarian fans of Monty Python, of which there are quite a few. It will, however, breed distaste for British culture among educated Bulgarians, for whom your hostility will smack of prejudice and unashamed ignorance. You might well deter some of those doctors, or scientists, or university teachers who might well contribute to your country. They might choose to live where they will be judged by merit rather than solvency, and the recent case against St Hugh's shows that a few of your fellow countrymen might do the same. Your rudeness means that you'll get what you expect - just the ones that are so desperate that are willing to tolerate you. I had good memories from Oxford - and Britain as a whole. I was planning to send my kids to study there one day, but I'm less sure now. You seem to be moving backwards. What a shame.
The only way to deter them from coming here is to reform our benefits system. France doesn't pay out as much or for so long as we do and that's why everyone wants to come here. So change it. It's not an EU requirement to have such generous payments to people from outside our country.
.....too late for any remedies now the damage is done...the floodgates are about to open :(
Given that unemployment rates in France and Spain are at record levels why have we not been flooded by millions of Spanish and French nationals coming over here to take advantage of our allegedly generous benefit system? - Petite Jean , Orlando, United States, 29/1/2013 16:04...............I don't think that the Channel Tunnel goes as far as Orlando !
Why are we obligated to take in more people anyway? Sure the standard of living in the UK may be better than in certain Eastern European countries, but we have our own economic problems that need sorting out first. People are struggling to make ends meet, Just before Christmas the DM ran a report about a woman who hadn't eaten a morsel in 4 DAYS!! Just to make sure her two young sons were fed, and she actually fainted at the nursery one of her children attends. Her case is not an isolated incident either. People who are out of work are having their benefits cut, ATOS that bogus medical company are deliberately failing disabled people who are on DLA through no fault of their own, which makes me wonder why our government are putting the needs of people from outside the UK, before the needs of UK born and bred people - is it because they don't want to come across as un PC, or is there something more sinister going on? It makes you wonder.
Predictable comments in the red-arrowed area as usual. Same old same old....
why get bothered about a few tens of thousands East Europeans? - what about the hundreds of thousands (actually millions) of non EU immigrants who are here and continue to come here?
Yet again this government is a joke - UKIP for me!
I'll do the government a favour and tell those putative Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants just what it's like to work in Britain. And believe me,IKNOW...because my son works in Britain for a little over the minimum hourly wage. His employers are capricious.Depending on sales,he can take home a hundred and fifty pounds one week...or three hundred the next.If he wants to tick over and ensure that there is at least food on the table for his tiny family (wife and toddler) then he has to work for sixty hours a week. He doesn't make enough to cover electricity bills and council tax....so we pay these for himwhen necessary.Bulgarian and Romanian would-be immigrants,be warned....you had better have some financial back-up from Granny in Bucharest or Sofia.Better stii.....stay away.You are better off where you are(and the climate IS horrible in Britain)
Anyone who thinks our weather is going to put them off just needs to Google winter weather in Romania and Bulgaria. Minus 35degrees is the record minimum. When did Britain get it as bad as that? Perhaps Richard Littlejohn can explain why Britain has to give them housing and benefits when on the continent you have to have have paid in for years before you are entitled to anything? Thats why Britain gets so many of them.
Last time I looked you couldn't buy a house in Bulgaria without registering as a private company and I recall a lot of people have lost a lot of money in the spanish property market...It's never looked very secure to me and of course much less so in recent years
I shouldn't be surprised but I'm still taken aback that this is allowed in the town I grew up in, but I've just heard today from my daughter that migrants are living rough in tents in an area that is seemingly owned by no one, near a park and college, not far away. Her partner was told by the park attendant, numerous complaints have been made as well as his, but that despite the waste products, that they are often naked, are visible to mums and children and those going to college, there is nothing the police can do, because no one owns the land. I don't expect you to print this, but if the government think they will be put off by the cold ...
- Gordon, Liverpool, 29/1/2013 10:56 ~~~ Do think that is because they will finally understand we need something to help the coffee go down?
camoron has delayed the offer of an in out vote for 5 years so that these people will arrive in their millions and outvote the brits who keep them. we will be slaves in our own country. for gods sake vote UKIP>
As far as the Bulgarians are concerned it's raining in Britain everyday, raining money. That's all they need to know. This new influx might be the straw that breaks the camels back or maybe we will have to wait until Turkey gets into the EU for that.
The Government is planning an expensive advertising campaign to dissuade Romanians and Bulgarians from moving to Britain when immigration restrictions are lifted at the end of this year. It is said to centre on the fact that the weather here is much cooler and wetter than they might expect. .................................................................................... Brilliant that'll stop 'em ,yeh right what bunch of lemons thought this one up .
"But if this dopey bird couldn¿t cope with unwanted sexual advances from her boss, how on earth would she react if she was ever captured and tortured by the Taliban?" Congratulations, Mr Littlejohn, you have found new depths to plumb.
In thirty years of working overseas, every contract I had with the exception of one, demanded a work permit, often very difficult to acquire, when the work permit expired, out you went , The employers were responsible in every way for my expenses while in the country, never once did I receive any help at all from the local authorities, on the contrary they gave a lot of hassle. So comparing British expats with immigration into the UK , is comparing chalk with cheese.
All these immigrants will have a bearing on our taxes. We already pay more for services because they cant cope with the demand. We are told travel costs will rise at peak times to cut down on passenger numbers. Even a recent art gallery decided to have a premium prime time viewing for those willing to pay for expensive tickets because of overcrowding. We will all be paying more while being pushed to the back of the queue or even pushed out of it
Benefits should not be paid until they have been here for say 5 years, then the benefits payable must be limited to what they could receive in their own country.
The government has made us the laughing stock as the UK for free- nothing will change - useless twits.
Funny how Labour's core voters are the ones that have been most hit by these policies with their heartlands decimated - and they STILL vote for them!
McBlair and McLabour really stuffed it to old England, didn't they!
Just 'CLOSE ' the gates !! we are full !
Britain to damp and wet for Bulgarians? Thats ok, they can help for that! From the NHS website - Seasonal affective disorder (SAD) can usually be successfully treated using various treatments, such as cognitive behavioural therapy, antidepressants and light therapy. Someone should tell Dave about that - maybe he can add it to the advertising campaign - Britain is cold and damp but don't worry we'll can give you special treatment to help you cope. Perhaps the makers of Lightbox's will take out an ad campaign in Bulgaria, so the Bulgarians are aware of their products!
"[...] Ministers are desperate to counter the impression that the streets of Britain are paved with gold. [...]" They're certainly not paved with gold for the people who lived and died to make Britain what it is today, that is, err, a near 3rd World state in the hands of demoncratic despots :¬D
Given that unemployment rates in France and Spain are at record levels why have we not been flooded by millions of Spanish and French nationals coming over here to take advantage of our allegedly generous benefit system?
FACT : . FACT : In this moment there is 100 thousand Romanian citizens in the UK who are officially registered as TAX payers like every other honest citizen in the country. FACT : The beggars you talk about are illiterate,have no education whatsoever and have no form of ID,thus,they cannot travel anywhere.The ones you already see on streets are victims of human trafficking which happens with or without borders...closed or open,they will still be there. FACT : Due to their Latin origins,most Romanians already migrated towards Latin countries,starting with Italy where they form the biggest minority ( 1 million) , Spain ( also a very big minority,around 500 thousand ) , France.Then a lot of qualified Romanians are wanted by the Germans ( which are doing head hunting 24/7 in Romania),and some Nordic countries. - Alexleo , Limerick FACT......................We are fed up to the back teeth of it and that is a FACT.
Nobody comes to the UK from a country which is better. The reason they fome is because the UK is better, but they bring their problems with them. Generally these problems manifest themselves as a crime wave associated with immigration, but no politician dares to either mention it or just say no to any more immigration. It must be clear by now that the cost has outweighed the benefits. John Major spoke of traditional England in warm terms and then set about trashing it. Thanks. Successive governments have also made it too expensive for me to have any more children (a responsible, married, working dad) as they are taking money from me to give to other people's kids. It is plain wrong.
Ex Communist Coutries./? Well, They'll be Right At Home n in the LibLabCOn sUK Of course with massive unemployment, ecomic collapse, and overcrowding ..and of course ist NOT Very Green Is It?
Re Veg & Fruit Picking in the past. If Brits did not fill the jobs then seasonal foreign workers did it but they WENT HOME afterwards, they were not entitled to stay and live on benefits during the winter months.
Dave boy, put 2 fingers up to the EU Law Re-Miagrants. Your protecting them regarding benefits more than people born in the UK. Also the adverse affect It's having on our Infrastructure. Housing, Hospitals, Schools, Surgeries, etc, etc. How are you going to treat these people with the number of NHS hospitals and A&E's your closing but not making Public, they are overstretched now.
I want to know why we are the only country that provides benefits, housing and healthcare without any questions to immigrants or it being reciprocated by the country these immigrants come from? Surely that is not part of the conditions that were agreed to when we joined the EU, is it?
Bobbo,there is no chance now of leaving the EU. Too late now anyway, if only they could fetch up next door to the people who want to stay in the EU. There are more to come, wait till Turkey joins. Those who the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.
The only way to curb migrants is to cut benefits to a minimum. Just enough to live on only. No money for luxuries. Housing benefit capped so that they can only rent cheap accommodation.
there is no work or housing for them they will straight on benifits we have to say unless they have anything to offer NO having worked for over 50 years my pension is less than what they will get CHILD / HOUSING/BENIFIT and to think they have never paid penny into the system makes me wonder why i bothered
If it happens. The Conservative Party will be wiped out as will Labour, and some extremist group will get enormous votes just to teach the current idiot politicians to listen to the majority.
Tony Blair is headlines in Der Spiegel saying "Leaving the EU would be very bad for Britain" this man just does not give up does he!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only way we will be able to control the influx of immigrants into our country is to withdraw from the EU. Thus, we need an OUT vote when the referendum is held This should nullify our obligation to the ECHR and allow the deportation of any such person breaking our laws. No doubt legal profession will be up in arms about this, but they can move over the channel if they so wish. Let us now start the campaign for a vote to leave the EU and go back to trading globally, as we did years ago, and controlling our borders as we think fit. if we fail, so be it, if we go broke as a nation that will down to ourselves. I have no doubt that there would be no assistance from our so called ally's. Seems to me we've been alone in this position before, so no fear.
How many more Big Issue sellers do we need.........?
Like I have siad to many of my friends, just wait unti January 2014 and rolling forward and the jobs situation here will be catastrophic ,when all the Romanians and Bulgarians come to our shores and pillage our system. This coalition needs to wake up and smell the coffee as what the situation will be like here in 5 yrs time ! in a word very frightening.... with no jobs, pensions slashed again as well as the NHS will not cope and will break down bankrupted ! As my partner has told me numerous times the NHS is doomed to go to a 2 tier system like America, and she should know she is a district nurse perscriber, who I have to say is retiring next year, so we both can go to differrent shores ! Totally wrecked the UK. Good old EU sold us down the river !
It'll cost a fortune advertising, adding more financial misery for the indigenous British taxpayer, why not just close the border - end of
Shame on the anti-Daily Mail mass immigration promoting activists!
FACT : Romanian Citizens can come in the UK freely for THE LAST 5 years.They can also work as self employed WITHOUT any restrictions at all for the LAST 5 years. FACT : In this moment there is 100 thousand Romanian citizens in the UK who are officially registered as TAX payers like every other honest citizen in the country. FACT : The beggars you talk about are illiterate,have no education whatsoever and have no form of ID,thus,they cannot travel anywhere.The ones you already see on streets are victims of human trafficking which happens with or without borders...closed or open,they will still be there. FACT : Due to their Latin origins,most Romanians already migrated towards Latin countries,starting with Italy where they form the biggest minority ( 1 million) , Spain ( also a very big minority,around 500 thousand ) , France.Then a lot of qualified Romanians are wanted by the Germans ( which are doing head hunting 24/7 in Romania),and some Nordic countries.
Why is the government keeping its estimates from the people ? Can the self employed claim benefits from day 1 and others have to wait all of 3 months ?
They will simply apply for a winter heating allowance... and GET IT!
It's not cold and wet inside a UK benefits funded home.
This country is in one very sick mess, with no cure infortunately. The problems we have are not big enough without adding more to them. And the government is making it worse everyday. What world are these excuses for politicians living in?
When this lot turn up (can you blame them, human nature), and make themselves known, I can see the voters flocking to UKIP, and that will be from all three major paries, as by that time we will have had enough. If we haven't already.
Mass influx of Bulgarians and Romanians wont be the end of it, as yet more poor countries join the EU with open door entry into the UK. They lied we would only be trading with EU countries, but the EU dictators have other plans for us, and they will have EVERY PENNY OFF US to maintain expansion of their EU Empire. BILDERBERGERS, Cameron and Co will allow it to continue as it is all part of their Project for a One World Government, ruled by an unelected elite, them, and paid for by the rest of us. SUPPORT AND VOTE UKIP TO RELEASE US FROM THE EU POWER GRABBING DICTATORSHIP, BEFORE IT IS COMPLETELY TOO LATE.
I wonder what half wit came up with this stupidity it is to cold in England . I am sure the Bulgarians and the Romanians cant wait to pour in to this cold country just thinking of free houses, hospitals, schools not forgetting all those lovely benefits. So in under a year get ready for 29,000,000 of them all courtesy of the feeble lib/lab/con artists and there masters the e.u. . Vote U.K.I.P. if you want out of this lunacy.
Richard Littlejohn has no knowledge of Eastern Europe, what stupid comments! As an Englishman who has lived in Bulgaria for the last 7 years, I do feel able to correct. Minimum wage is 79p, Rubbish! The majority of the communist regime 'slum' dwellings have almost all been demolished. Sofia is a very international city. The one thing I do agree with is that the UK has criminals roaming the streets but, after all has Littlejohn not heard about the Mafia, who operate throughout Bulgaria, based in Sofia. This man call himself a journalist, must get all his information from a communist computer!
The British people can see what is going on with there beloved country - so why can't the Government? This Government - and the previous Labour Goverment - are deaf, dumb and blind. The clock is ticking and how much longer is it going to be before the British people finally stand up and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH'' and do something about it - before it is too late?
"As for our wonderful NHS, would any self-respecting Romanian mother-to-be want to give birth in the hospital where a premature baby had his dummy taped to his mouth by a nurse to stop him crying?" - Have you forgotten the Romanian orphanages? The staff at the orphanages would consider taping a dummy in as a fine example of paediatric care. - XRMP, North Wales, 29/1/2013 13:00 You've just compared Romanian orphanages to the NHS - why would the average Romanian mother give birth in an orphanage anyway?
The fact that it is colder in bulgaria and romania seems to have Slipped by the twits that are wasting more of our taxes On an unbelievable and stupid add campaign Don't you just love the experts god help us
We have to get out of the EU Empire. That must be obvious to everyone by now . Vote and support UKIP . Time is running out for England with Wales and Scotland to follow .
OH shut up, will you all stop moaning!!?!?!? If the Government would cut all the benefits and make a few changes, you lot would not care how many will come and go. Most third world citizens who rip off Britain of benefits and housing are more welcomed here than the Eastern Europeans! It's easy for British people to comment when they are welcome to go everywhere they please and migrate there with no issues.
the question i have is why when we go on holiday to europe do we need holiday insurance. we treat people when they are ill on holiday here or do we claim from eu for money if they have no insurance. i thought we were all in it together ha ha
Well at least them coming into the UK will level the balance of mixed race residence to white folks.
Time to close the doors,and tell the EU to go and whistle Dixie.
Weather has nothing to do with it. They just have to stay in council property and claim benefits. Don't need to go out at all.
DM, you have no idea what you're talking about as usual! Do your research. Most of these people are quite well off in their home countries. Yes, they are paid much less, but also everything there is much much cheaper than here. Have you ever even been to Sofia? What a biased article, shame on you for publishing such nonsense!!!!
If you believe the weather won't stop them then why do you believe a paper full of racial hatred and bigotry will? - Phil, London, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 10:52 I have to agree with you. I've never met an unemployed ethnic Bulgarian or Romanian on benefits with 5+ children, yet many of the home-rised white and other Brits seem to match this description. As a taxpayer and a citizen of this country I also do not like to pay towards ANY unemployed people for more than 6 months (I believe this time is sufficient for anyone to find gainfull employment). or their offspring. But the question here is how to make the system fair towards everyone. If the UK goes out of the EU, then automatically you will not longer "enjoy" the benefits of the free-trade zone (it will lead to increased cost of both imports and exorts, duties, restrictions etc.),i hence I do not think that financially the country will be better off. The question is the social system - whoever may benefit from it.
You're right though, that does look like Neil and Glenys.
Here's a little challenge for anyone - who was the individual that actually came up with the idea of putting the Bulgarians and Romanians off with reports of our bad weather.
some of the worst living conditions I have seen were in the UK (among very good ones of course), Marek Mazur, Kielce, Poland, 29/1/2013 11:15 ================ Marek, housing in Bulgaria is far worse than anything you may have seen in England, or in Poland. And housing in Romania is even worse than that in Bulgaria. There are so many villages with houses without inside toilets, without windows, that the worse slum in England or Poland would be seen as luxury by many Bulgarians and Romanians. Pravda.
To even think that the british people would be taken in by this sham shows the level of contempt the average politician has for the voter. Its quite amazing being able to watch the tories dig their own hole to political doom. (and im ashamed to say i actually voted for them, ukip for me next which will result in a labour government)
let them in we are the dustbin of Europe strange that they pass through 4 countries to come to the UK "i wonder why"
Britishandproud. I think you are wrong about voting in general elections. In Spain a UK citizen is only allowed to vote in local elections, so are Spain breaking EU rules on voting? and if so why can't we?
Too little too late, our politicians have thrown our country away, mainly down to the last Labour government who purposely orchestrated and encouraged Mass Immigration, soft touch on Illegal immigrants and welcoming Asylum seekers with open arms, all in the mistaken belief that they would provide a few extra votes. We are witnessing the final demise of a once Great Nation and a Proud People.
What about a choice? Simple! Move from the UK to Bulgaria! Life out here is great! - jaccaman , Abermule, 29/1/2013 12:00 ====================== With temperatures as low as -30 deg in winter? Nah, it's warmer over here!
This idea put them of by the weather, all it shows anyone is how clueless, short of any idea about the real world, outside of their dream of utopia (the EU) rather ironic when you look at the present state of Greece, the majority of our elected representatives in Parliment have, the only person who would seem to be in tune with the majority of the views held over the EU by the man/women in the street is Nigel Farage leader of UKIP
What ever happened to that green and pleasant land that was my beloved England. It has gone forever. Unless the Brits say enough is enough and do something about it. But will we? The closest hope we have is UKIP.
If this is supposed to exemplify the seriousness in which the government is treating this issue then we're in big big trouble, the simple truth is that the Bulgarians and Romanians will come and they'll come in their hundreds of thousands, why should they, as the article says, we're governed by EU law, we have to let them in and give them access to benefits the NHS and everything else. The only way to stop this is to Exit the EU, because after this wave of immigration it will next be the Turks...England as we once knew it....GOODBYE....I've had enough of it personally...I'm voting UKIP
If you don't laugh, you would cry. GREAT BRITAIN RISE UP!!
Just tell them not to come if they cannot afford to take care of themselves; no free health care, education or benefits of any kind! We should not have to fund this at the cost to our own; in fact we should have a ruling that stops all of the above going to the current immigrant population we have over here and that would get the spongers out!
Duh..... cut the benefits. If they want to enter the UK they have to prove they have enough money to support themselves and a job to go to or they can turn around and leave. It's so simple no wonder the government can't do it.
Who advises this government? They won't have to worry about the weather when they arrive, they will get a house, schools for their children and benefits to live on, unlike the poor British taxpayer who when we need anything have to wait! Someone send all these comments to David Cameron please!
AQll you need to tell them is that they will not receive:- Free Housing, they will not receive Benifits until they have been working for two years and poaid tax, they will not receive child allowances for the same reason, their governments must pay for their Medical assistance(up front). That is the only deterrant, because thats all they come here for, Government say they come to work, but 72% only work for less than three months (48% less than a month) before losing their job and going onto permanent benifits.. Britain can no longer Afford this. TAxpayers are already in the RED in their banks and own loans. IT CANNOT GO ON MUCH LONGER WITHOUT MAJOR RIOTS IN THE STREETS because some people have worked for 20/30/40 years to get their houses and paid for them only to start losing them now. THEY WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS MUCH :LONGER
Britain's benefits are known the world over ,the most simple thing to do is if they become unemployed they have to go back where they came from,simples in the words of a meerkat.
I wondered why the State Pension application forms were available in so many different languages.....now I know. The extended family is also arriving. There's nice....
Andrea , buckingahm, Algeria, 29/1/2013 11:58 You took the words out my mouth. Where there is a will it is not difficult but I think the govt is all words but no action. The UK govt can put a restriction of no benefits, no housing, no free NHS (it should be chargeable as in France) for at least 5 years, better the higher it is, after coming,working & paying taxes. You will quickly see a big difference.
Or we could just leave the EU then they won't be allowed to come at all.
Having lived in romania for 5 1/2 years, I can assure you that the weather here is positively balmy at this time of year compared to what it is like in Eastern Europe! So any Government campaign based on those lines would be a complete waste of tax payers money. Plus anything the Daily Mail is suggesting to be a better alternative to put off mass immigration is also stupid. I can assure you that for the average Romanian/Bulgaria each one of the 'facts' you have listed is far worse there than in the UK. The only way to control a mass influx is to withhold benefits and access to free services such as NHS and schools. As a foreigner in Romania, any such similar service (where any at all) was not something that would have been available to me. No housing, no benefit, no NHS that will stop it
As they say the Lunatics do run the asylum.
I am a Bulgarian, have been living here for more than 5 years. I first came when we joined the EU in 2007 and went to uni, graduated with a law degree and ended up working for a fast food chain as a manager. Reason being that the law firms would only hire 8% foreigners and you can imagine the competition. Am I incapable, I don't think so, but I quit complaining about it long time ago. The fact is, whatever you do in this country, no matter how you prove yourself or how well you speak the language, you would always be looked at as a foreigner, someone who doesn't t belong here. You can complain about Bulgarians and Romanians, fair enough, but what about the Polish then? They come by buses, hoping to find work through a friend of a friend. One in a hundred speaks English and that one is responsible for the other 99, who don't even bother to learn the language!
What your darling tory party doing to stop these people coming here and going strait on the benefits? Nothing! But Cameron can meddle with the tax laws to reward the party paymasters! And you lot blame Labour for mass migration to the UK!
If Achmed from Afghanistan & Mahmoud from Pakistan where its a lot warmer than Blightey are not put off by the UKs cold weather, how on earth does Cameron think that Alexandru from Romania & Marko from Bulgaria where frozen winters last 6 months are going to be put off from a central heated 6 bedroom tax payer funded house in London ?
nothing will put them off. they will arrive by the million
Nearly as worrying as the exodus destined to add yet more strain on Britain, is that of the thick duffers who've apparently never heard of the bitterly cold winters experienced in eastern Europe, and who now masquerade as .... 'advisers'. Who the hell are they - and who decided to employ them? The whole system's run by illiterate kids, too eager to sip Pims in the bar as opposed to fact-finding. For God's sake get rid of them, they're an embarrassment and a liability.
(but if the Romanian/Bulgarian scare is gonna help solve the dilema of the UK being or not in the EU it's worth the money, because people all over the EU are pretty tired of your whims and bitching and holding back further integration) - andrei77 , Bucharest, Romania, 29/1/2013 11:45 ... well, yes of course, you would want durther integration wouldn't you, in the hope of getting far more out than you put in!
If the weather is harsh here that it will scare off the Bulgarians and Romanians, can we British people have a benefit to help us cope? Only asking..... Absolutely crackpot idea from a clueless crackpot government.
Seems legit
Easy situation to resolve,get out of the EU now,close the bordersand tell Brussels to stuff all their stupid rules and regulations up their ass.
The thing is, we could probably absorb the freeloaders from Eastern Europe if we weren't extending the same hospitality to Africa and Asia. Most countries in Africa and Asia are a lot bigger than Bulgaria and Romania and there's a lot of them.
If the Government fais to stop this then they are history come 2015, regardless of any false promises of a referendum in 2017, whats the point of trying to renegotiate our relationship with the EU whilst completely ignoring what is one of the biggest issues, uncontrolled immigration with EU citizens having access to the UK welfare state and public services. Mr Cameron, either close the borders now or alternatively legislate to prevent any non British Citizens being able to claim benefits etc unless they have paid UK Tax and NI for a minimuim period, at least 3 years but ideally 5 years, that would address the problem most adequately and without the need for it to be Policed, no handouts, no free housing, schooling and healthcare = few or no immigrants. If you want freedom and prosperity vote UKIP.
...immigration is totally out of control as it is. we must stop this tide now before we are totally flooded
This government has come up with many stupid ways to waste tax payers money but this one tops them all. . It shows a complete lack of common sense and understanding of the problems that face the UK.
All the beggers ive seen in London are pure english,lets see some different kind of beggers next year. - bg.in.gb, London, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 8:40 yes the English folk beg cos they've no homes thanks to all the foriegners taking the houses and benefits and up here the foriegners beg, mostly eastern european, all day then get a taxi home, big issue sellers, accordian squeezers (name that tune)
Any Bulgarian/Romanian with half a brain will get on a the next plane over here, no one can blame them or pursuade them that their lives will not improve ten-fold in the UK. The only thing the UK can do to stop this is to make it illegal, with the EU referendum 5 years off no chance of that. So I am afraid this situation is unavoidable now. Give them all the weather/crime/healthcare warnings you want, they are not dumb, they know it is still far better than anywhere else they can move to.
What about "@@@@ off we changed our mind". The eu model doesn't work for wealthier countries - people from poor countries come and sponge off us!
UKIP UKIP and again! UKIP
The European Union is a complete disaster for Great Britain.Would America join a union with all the poor countries of South America,therefore allowing movement between countries? I think not.
Before Richard Littlejohn's article appeared I had written to my MP asking specific questions about the Goverment's plans to cope with the huge numbers of immigrants expected to arrive from these countries. He replied that as my questions were so specific hw would need to get the appropriate minister to respond. Won't hold my breath that anything remotely sensible will be forthcoming but will let Littlejohn know the 'good news' when it arrives. Took some pleasure from reminding my MP that just as we vote them in we can easily vote them out. Unfortunately, it is all too late as we handed over our country years ago. Heather East Sussex
It's a bit stupid telling Bulgarians it's a triffle cold over here when their winter temperatures often drop to - 10c and below. A few years back it went down to -26. Bulgaria has a lot more snow than we do. Most houses are of stone or single brick construction ans don't have cavity walls, double glazing or insulation. So our cold weather will be a walk in the park. While I admit their summer temperatures are a lot higher than ours, often reaching the mid to high thirties, they take a siesta because it is too hot. The government are totally wasting their ( our ) money with any advertising gimmick. On benefits alone they will increase their income by 300% and if they manage to find a job their incomes will increase by about 500%. It's a no-brainer for them to come to the UK. whatever the imbecile government tells them about our weather.
The Law of Unintended Consequences is taking place. Join the EU, open your borders, lose control of decisions making - and yes the country with the biggest benefits becomes the magnet. On the 7th May 2015 there is a General Election. Everyone knows what they have to do, and that is certainly not wait till 2017 for a Perhaps Referendum.
at the next election and because of eu voting rules, anyone living in the UK will be able to vote... as the British will be a minority, don't expect an outcome that will savour an anti-eu party!
How come our government is very good at looking out for the super rich, yet when it comes to protecting our country they act like 10yr olds. Something fishy going on.
Being stupid is bad enough, opening your mouth to confirm your stupidity makes you certifiable.
Send all prospective immigrants free copies of the DM, once they realise what a bigotted bunch of xenophobic semi-educated talent hating chavs the Brits are they'll stay away.
The only way is UKIP. Labour will do the same, the Tories are not going to stop them .Cameron begged Turkey to join. and Lib Dens well they are finished anyway. No we have to trust UKIP and have a complete change in this Country and it has been long overdue,.
Cut all benifits until 5yrs full national insurance stamp has been paid! Hay Presto, no immigration!
i think if the government dont stop these people coming they will reside over a complete collapse of the sociol structure of this country, the nhs will collapse,benefit payments will spiral out of control.local councils will brake under the presure,there is just no room for these people,and no resorces for them,something a millionair toff in london would not understand.when people see there children out of work,there hospital appointment cancelled.and crime going up,who do they blaim,who will loose the election the lib lab con,thats who.
What is it with this Government and the last to want to fill this Country with immigrants, Most of them will not speak English, they will not be working so we will have to keep them,they will not have accommodation so we will have to house them even though we have a massive housing shortage, then free health care(what ever they say this will happen) Schools etc etc . there has to be something more sinister going on, it cant just be for a few votes can it.that they will ruin this beautiful country of ours.
Well done to The Daily Mail for exposing this ridiculous situation - however, the Left-wing advocates of mass unfettered immigration will redouble their efforts to slur them.---------- Wally Toynbee , Liverpool, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 11:35 --------- If the DM is doing such a good job why are we hearing nothing about Cameron and Clegg taking so much time pushing for Turkey to join. Turkey the gateway to the Middle East with all the refugees they have there from the Syrian conflict. We are supporting the rebels in Syria against the elected government and Turkey is flooded with those escaping the violence. It's of massive importance and being ignored. "Left wing advocates of mass unfettered immgration " that's a joke. Left wingers with their money coming from unions are far less keen on immigration than the Tories who look to the wealthy business owners who want cheap wages for donations. We had a great deal of immigration under Labour but far less than most other countries in the EU
Start charging money (say £10000) to people from these countries who want to come and live here. This charge would entitle them to a 12 month visa and before the visa can be issued they must be sponsored by a registered company willing to give them a job. The company will guarantee that when the 12 month period is over the immigrant will either be given a permenant position or repatriated to their country of origin. If these conditions are not fulfilled the directors of the company will personally face a hefty fine and the immigrant will be immediately deported.
All the beggers ive seen in London are pure english,lets see some different kind of beggers next year.- bg.in.gb, London, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 8:40.........That is how it should be. It would be more embarrassing having more English beggars abroad than at home.
Here in Bucharest (Romania) we love to mock the British press (and by extension the Brits). In 2007 when we entered the EU reporters from a dozen media flocked at Heathrow on New Year to see the hordes of Romanian coming to invade (of course it was a below the average flight). So, as much of our scum left the city (you darlings have your own scum in your ex-colonies and beyond) and as most hardworking guys who wanted more from their lives already left for Italy an Spain, prefering their latin relatives to the snobs and hypocrites of London (also known as New Islamabad), I dont forecast any major flow of Romanians to your stagnant island (but if the Romanian/Bulgarian scare is gonna help solve the dilema of the UK being or not in the EU it's worth the money, because people all over the EU are pretty tired of your whims and bitching and holding back further integration) - andrei77 , Bucharest, Romania, 29/1/2013 11:45+++++++I get the impression you don't like us.
Give all immigrants the same benefits and benefit rates that they would get in their own country.SIMPLES.
If we can't get work how the hell will they?, of course they'll come over for benefits, compared to nothing what would you do?.
Why not write You will not get a house till all British people are homed, you will need medical insurance until you have worked for 5 years , no benefits until you have 5 years N. I. stamps
it's really sad to hear how you guys can judge like this.Is is not their fault!is the government's fault.In Romania the average salary is £200 / MONTH and living expenses are nearly as high as in England! I wonder how some of them can even survive. In England the government will probably offer them at least £200 / WEEK benefits to stay at home. Now wouldn't you( all those who judge the Romanians and Bulgarians ) want to come to England as well if you'd know that you can get benefits when in your own country you don't get anything. Do you think that for them is easy to leave behind their families and come to a country where they are not wanted? They come for a better life! Stop giving benefits if you don't want them here! And really people, look around, is not the Romanian and Bulgarians that stay on benefits. They come and work to send money home and feed their children. Is other nationalities that won't go to work because they know they can stay at home and get money for doing noth
They won't know it's colder and raining because they will be given free housing and pay their heating bills courtesy of the tax paying public
If I was to go to any of the other Countries in the EU would they feed me, give me free housing, give me free health care and so on, or is it just in the UK? If you are homeless and jobless here in the UK could you go to Cannes or maybe Naples and be housed, fed and have money thrown at you. Or is it only the UK that does this? Will the population of the UK ever be given a say in how the rich polititians spend our hard earned taxes like drunken sailors?
"If you believe the weather won't stop them then why do you believe a paper full of racial hatred and bigotry will? - Phil, London, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 10:52

Race doesn't come into it and bigotry is only in the eyes of the easy offended. Meanwhile in the real world....."
William Hague says it's not a problem, and will bring benefits to us, so who are we to argue with that font of all knowledge? Roll on 2015, when this lot can be dumped.
Unfortunately, the Law Lords, judges and most lawyers do not read the DM. They will be actively studying how they can defend these prospective new clients. I know that immigrants in certain council areas get priority treatment over other citizens. In one council, my friend could not speak to a councillor when she gave her name. She phoned back with a typical foreign name and was put through immediately by the secretary! Says it all really. I despair.
Don't let the fact that most immigrants contribute positively to the economy get in the way of a good old bit of bigotry chaps!
I am from Bulgaria and support most of the comments below. And I also want stronger restrictions! Tons of stupid people from here and Romania went to UK and they started taking benefits, pickpocketing or just making some troubles and when someone normal, like me, travel there for some work meeting or just for the holidays, they local people think that we are all the same.
Lets have all of them (including africa) in so that when they wreck the place and move on like pests, we can rebuild since we are the village bike : shafted every which way. (Australia......hmm.... i need to value my house again methinks)
With the pound sliding down against the (weak???) Euro, perhaps this country will end up as poor as Bulgaria....
This seems to me like a paper thin screen so that the idiots in power can say they are trying something... something that they know won't make any difference at all but it's supposed to improve their image. They are in power, if they really want to, they can say no more and that's that. But they won't do that because it isn't what they want to happen.
I don't remember being asked if it was okay for millions of immigrants to enter MY country. Surely this should be the choice of the people? Not some pompous moron sitting in Brussels..
Put the same benefit restrictions,they use on the school leavers over here, no wonder old slippery is claiming the job figures are on the rise amongst the young, its because its near impossible to claim J.S.A, for the under 25s!
Regardless of what we say or do people from far off countries won't give up believing that we have plenty of room and plenty of free money for them.
Thats right - spend more of MY MONEY - tax payers money - to 'dissuade' them instead of leaving the EU so that they cant come here in the first place. this country is already completely screwed with immigration being a key reason - so lets make it worse by letting more in.
Would the ECHR have anything to say about us paying immigrants the minimum wage of their own country? Would solve a great deal!
So Broken Britain is so broken now that your only defence against being invaded by masses of any scum who comes to take and not contribute is to convince them that Britain is a wet and cold slum that isn't worth robbing? Just going to open the door and tell the zombies that you have no brains? What happened to your consent, your right to say NO? What powers does EU really have over Britain? Canada just pulled out of Kyoto because it refused to hold economic superpowers China and India up to the same emissions standards as us, not sure how I feel about that, but nothing they can legally do against us because hello, SOVEREIGNTY! This unelected body tried to stick us with $14 billion in penalties even though US and China were polluting more, but Canada just walked away....yeah it mildly sting that oh no, we have a Bad Rep now, but not as much as losing that $14 Billion they have no way to make us pay would. Sweet Sovereignty!
The more we say it's no good the more they will believe that we are hiding how good it really is. BRITAIN IS A FARCE. WE PROVIDE FOR OTHERS WHEN WE CANNOT PROVIDE FOR OUR OWN. APOLIGIST BRITAIN, SORRY WE DIDN'T GIVE YOU EVEN MORE BENEFITS.
Why can we not revoke the agreement that was signed in 2007 with these two countries? If the agreement was made by Labour can the Tories not revoke it? I believe Tony Blair did something similar with an agreement made by John Major. Just asking?
What about a choice? Simple! Move from the UK to Bulgaria! Life out here is great!
Runaway train alert.
- Marek Mazur , Kielce, Poland ==== I think you overlooked that Steve is a UK taxpayer, which means he's an ex-pat working in another county, not living off benefits and probably fully intends to return once the work is over. The difference between Britis
It is said to centre on the fact that the weather here is much cooler and wetter than they might expect......No need to plead to them not to come here. Government should forget about plans to building more housing as there is not enough land left. If they don't have relevant qualifications and experience that we need and cannot speak English they are not entitled to work here. All this weather story is nonsense.
Bad weather in the UK eh, have any of these jokers ever been to Bulgaria?. Winter temperatures are regularly between -10 and -25, so cold that when you breath in you can feel the inside of your lugs start to chill, and that can carry on between December and February, and of cause hundreds of villages and small towns snowbound for weeks on end. During July, August and part of September the temperature can be 35 to 40 celcius, believe me its too hot to breath and you cant even go outside. OH, and did i mention the monsoon rain that can wash whole villages away. Yes all in all telling them about our weather will really scare them..
I was reading the Dailymail and I noticed that they really want to keep me out ¿ by pointing to the below facts: Would they be happy with the postcode lottery system which denies life-saving drugs to cancer patients depending on where they live? No drugs for cancer here at all ¿ Do they really want to live in a country where every high street is infested with betting shops which feature casino-style slot machines more addictive than crack cocaine? Already have that here for ages now ¿ Would they feel safe on the streets when they read that dozens of dangerous criminals, including murderers, rapists and paedophiles, are simply walking out of open prisons every week and disappearing without trace? These guys don¿t even get caught, never mind getting out of prison ¿
What will put them off will only be stringent border controls, no jobs given to them, no benefits, no free health care. That's just for starters. There is no cure all the time we are in the ruddy EU as we have no power to stop them - why millions are ditching incompetent clapped out libconlab EU lovers and are turning to Farage - the next PM. Let's all vote down libconlab at the next election. Time for real radical change.
No jobs..... I don't think they are coming here looking for work.
Our Govt are dumb asses
Hah! Who told you bulgarians only goal is to come to your country? From reading the articles here i have the idea your country is in a bigger mess than Bulgaria and also you have such a high crime rate and you give asylum and protection to all kind of scum. So why would we want to come in your country where any criminal is more respected than a bulgarian or romanina coming to study or work there? I think you will soon be a place where countries witht criminals to deport will send them to :)
Or what will happen is like what happened when Poland joined, they'll come over here and work hard doing all the crap jobs that no-one else will do for not much money.
Here in Bucharest (Romania) we love to mock the British press (and by extension the Brits). In 2007 when we entered the EU reporters from a dozen media flocked at Heathrow on New Year to see the hordes of Romanian coming to invade (of course it was a below the average flight). So, as much of our scum left the city (you darlings have your own scum in your ex-colonies and beyond) and as most hardworking guys who wanted more from their lives already left for Italy an Spain, prefering their latin relatives to the snobs and hypocrites of London (also known as New Islamabad), I dont forecast any major flow of Romanians to your stagnant island (but if the Romanian/Bulgarian scare is gonna help solve the dilema of the UK being or not in the EU it's worth the money, because people all over the EU are pretty tired of your whims and bitching and holding back further integration)
The only thing that settles in Britain and does not claim benefits is snow.
Simple solution pass a law stating NO MORE IMMIGRANTS WE ARE FULL!
Stopping all welfare benefits and legal aid to non British citizens until they have worked for 5 years will put off foreigners coming to Britain. OR get us out of the EU before they arrive.
Well done to The Daily Mail for exposing this ridiculous situation - however, the Left-wing advocates of mass unfettered immigration will redouble their efforts to slur them.
So a teenage rapist can use his religious teaching as an excuse for grooming and raping a 13 year old, but fail to acknowledge that the deed itself goes against his religious teaching. And the judge lets him off with it. I hope someone has the guts to ask for a judicial inquiry into this travesty of justice.
Perhaps an advert saying the British dont want them, there will be no housing, benefits, jobs or health care available. then let's see how many come.
We have the most cowardly government ever in this countries history. No one ever asks the British people do we want to share OUR country? Camerons crew will give away what little we have left. Cameron and his Tory crew are finished for decades after this fiasco.
This is absolutely insane DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY POLISH, GREEKS, SPANISH any many many others CAME TO BRITAIN ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT SIGNED EU TREATIES WHICH MUST BE RESPECTED ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT BENEFITS COULD BE TAKEN IN BRITAIN ONLY AFTER SOMEONE WORKS AT LEAST 12 MONTHS IN BRITAIN ???? - dan , Bucharest, Romania, 29/1/2013 10:09 ... Yes, we know, and that's why we want out of the EU - we have been taken advantage of. In 2005 I worked in luton where many of them arrived at the airport and never went any further. I worked in an employment agency for drivers and every day we had big gangs of polish and others arriving to sign on for work. Many of them couldn't even speak English and couldn't understand why employers wouldn't take them.
They will come, say they are incapacitated get a free car with insurance paid and no servicing costs, they will get money for each child and a house big enough to house them all ALL FOR FREE with no council tax to pay either. If it's cold they will turn up the central heating! Adverts will only spotlight that the UK is OPEN and they will come for the money and free healthcare and benefits. Theft will be a nice little earner as we don't have Courts that punish.
When I read the article yesterday, I really couldn't work out for the life of me which is which, is the government Stupid ? naive ? clueless ? simply telling lies, and/or deluded ??? But from where I am sitting, its all of the above, this cgovernment is a joke, a BIG joke, and theres me thinking after 13 years of traitors and scums, we couldn't do any worst, but Dave and his mates proved me wrong, very, and totally wrong !!
Vanessa-M1 What rubbish you talk! Brits bring money to these countries, they do not get free housing or benefits and their healthcare is reciprocal. Neither do they 'demand' interpreters, They have to supplied and paid for by the immigrant..
It would help if immigrants were only allowed to claim benefits up to the level that they could expect to receive in their own country. Coming here wouldn`t be so attractive then.
This is absolutely insane DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY POLISH, GREEKS, SPANISH any many many others CAME TO BRITAIN ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT SIGNED EU TREATIES WHICH MUST BE RESPECTED ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT BENEFITS COULD BE TAKEN IN BRITAIN ONLY AFTER SOMEONE WORKS AT LEAST 12 MONTHS IN BRITAIN ????- dan , Bucharest, Romania, 29/1/2013 10:09....They will leave ROMANIA to another country called REMAIN HERE as I cannot see them make a u-turn even in their retirement.
The government plans to state that the weather here is cold is even more laughable when you consider that the winter temperature in Romania is generally much, much colder than here. It's generally fairly cold in Bulgaria too. That aside though, which brain dead idiot came up with this scheme in the first place?
Just imagine you are an average Romanian, who thinks that only the well to do have flushing toilets or glass in their windows, living in a country where people die from minor medical problems because they cannot afford basic health care. Then look at good old Blighty where everything is free and the government gives money away like it was confetti. Where would you live given a choice? - Steve UK taxpayer, Turkey not EU, Turkey--------------------Steve, you know very little about how other people live, some of the worst living conditions I have seen were in the UK (among very good ones of course), and besides what gives you right to criticise others coming to the UK when you yourself are an immigrant (yes, an immigrant, not an ex-pat as you like to call yourselves) to another country? As for the Romanians, all thieves and Gypsies who wanted to come to the UK have already done so, people who will come will be those wanting to work, if there are jobs for them
Put the same restrictions on benefits for migrants that France & Germany do
Lets just pay them THEIR national rate not ours and only allow them access to home benefits. That probably wouldn't make it worth their time.
Benefits should only be paid to people when both their parents were born in Britain - now that would save a lot of problems.
Uncontrolled Third World immigration is also a problem.
We already have hundreds of Romanians living here in Margate, many of them live in my road. Few if any work and they all know how to play the benefits system. When I contacted our local council about my concerns relating to environmental health issues (their Idea of disposing of rubbish is to throw it either in to their front gardens or the street) I was told "oh, we are trying to educate them in our ways". I despair.
Could also tell them how much you will be fined for dropping litter and what happens to you if you put the wrong things in your recycling bin. If they want to live in my area it is only fair to warn them that we can get sent parking enforcement notices without ever having parked! That's quite an achievement really, when you think about it.
Send them a copy of the DM and tell them Britain is full of racists. I guess Littlejohn will be calling for all the Brits who've ruined parts of Spain, France, Italy and (yes) Bulgaria to be repatriated? It's only fair isn't it? The way they've ruined the housing market for locals, clogged up the state hospitals, demanded translators and ruined the town centres with their sky football bars and cr*ppy restaurants... bunch of hypocrites. - Surfer Rosa, Warwickshire, 29/1/2013 8:45 The difference is that the Brits pay for everything wherever they go, the immigrants get it all free, then claim benefits as well, for themselves and their families worldwide..
John, London. Well said.
"Brits who've ruined parts of Spain, France, Italy and (yes) Bulgaria to be repatriated? It's only fair isn't it? The way they've ruined the housing market for locals, clogged up the state hospitals, demanded translators and ruined the town centres with their sky football bars and cr*ppy restaurants... bunch of hypocrites. There is some truth in this.- Vanessa-M1, Twickenham-TW, 29/1/2013 9:56" ----------- You're on dodgy ground here Vanessa. I can only speak for France, where I live. The numbers of British here is miuscule compared with the flood of immigrants in the UK; we PAY for health care at the point of delivery, and have top-up private insurance; if we need a translator we have to pay for it - they are never provided free; and there are no "Sky football bars," or British-catering restaurants - they could not possibly survive in France. And we WORK - there are no free handouts here, if you can't support yourself you are not permiiied residence.
Why can't we have an emergency election?
No one could really believe that anyone would be put off by the weather unless of course they read all the over dramatic hype in the DM on this subject each week. It is colder in Eastern Europe in winter and hotter in summer with a very similar rainfall amount.. Saying that the minimum wage is higher in the UK is pointless. Wages have different purchasing powers in different countries and mean nothing. Rents, food and almost everything costs more here. If the government were really as worried about immigration as they pretend to be to satisfy the Tories deserting to UKIP perhaps Cameron would stop doing all he can to get Turkey to join the EU. Nick Clegg met the Turkish ministers a couple of months ago to push this . Why isn't this mentioned by the DM and Littlejohn
Most of this immigrants are gipsies .So if you demand some educational qualification ewerithig will be ok.
Never mind the weather: `WE`RE FULL, AND WE`RE GIVING YOU NOTHING` ought to work. Try your luck in Brussels.
"As for our wonderful NHS, would any self-respecting Romanian mother-to-be want to give birth in the hospital where a premature baby had his dummy taped to his mouth by a nurse to stop him crying?" - Have you forgotten the Romanian orphanages? The staff at the orphanages would consider taping a dummy in as a fine example of paediatric care.
"So what is to be done? We need to persuade them that Britain isn¿t all it¿s cracked up to be. Convince them that the idea of this country as a happy-go-lucky land of milk and honey is a myth."#### Disagree with you there, Richard. What's to be done? Shut the borders regardless. This country is at war with Afghanistan and now we're moving into Mali. It is a matter of national security that unwanted immigrants are kept out. This would never have happened during WW2 and it should not be happening now. It is up to London to decide who comes here and not Brussels. Close the gates, increase border security and ignore EU rules.
The only thing that will stop them is 'NO BENEFIT' NO FREEBIES 'NO FREE HOUSING' NO STATE HANDOUTS@ and make prison life TOUGH. Cameron is too weak and too incompetent to let this happen. Give us a strong leader PLEASE..
The ad should be when you come to Britain, you should have a job and contribute to system for five years before you can claim benefit. Otherwise anything will cost you money from NHS, education and also accommodation
Let them continue to beg in Bulgaria.
Richard Its simples, If these people arrive here Cameron and his buch of losers will be kicked out for shure at the next G. E. Yes they may be replaced by another buch of wasters the Labour Party. But dont be to shure on that either. Vote UKIP is the only way.
Not happy ? Write to your MP ! Commenting on here won't change things !
"Begging in Bulgaria....." This little bit of costly propaganda is clear indication that the folks who govern us ain't all that bright. Unfortunately whoever we elect waste and stupidity will continue in one form or another. Or could it be that an advertising company with a good line in persuasion has dubious friends in high places. ~ I reckon this government is pretty expert in shouting about cutting benefits for the lower orders. While at the same time finding ways for our amirs to waste money.
They'll be telling us how good the country is come election time, typical politicians want their cake and eat it.
To all immigrants GO HOME to where u were born. We don't want u and would like u to leave our country. u r bleeding us dry and we can't take anymore v
Forget the weather - some people would go to the ends of the earth if they knew they were going to get handouts for them and their extended family, plus free healthcare and help with housing. Even if we had a climate like Siberia they would keep on coming. There is little point in telling them Britain is rainy, they don't care about this. We have also had excuses from government ministers about the Roma prefering the climate in Spain and Italy - at least the Italians have the sense to intermittently put them on planes and chuck them out because they don't want a further drain on their economy. I left London 9 years ago because vast areas were changing through immigration, now I am starting to see it in my own town ( and we are about to get a Mosque as well despite concerns from locals in the area where it is being sited - their pleas were ignored ). Thinking about moving on again next year, this time to a smaller and quieter place.
MY ADVICE IS THAT STOP BENEFIT TOTALY , ONLY FOR OAP.
You will find that your list of negatives about the UK are trumped in every case out here in the east. Expect about a million to come and you will be closer to the real figure. Don't believe your politicians BS that they wish to stop this mass migration, they are happy to keep all you dumb working class brits in your place, that is on min wage forever. - a1 of 99 , Bratislava, Slovakia, 29/1/2013 08:53+++++++You were doing so well until you called us dumb.
on the bright side, one could open a chain of caravan dealerships and make a fortune...
This is where the Daily Mail can help. We should print millions of copies in Bulgarian and Romanian and airlift them to Sofia and Bucharest, where they should be given away free on the streets. A quick flick through the last couple of editions should be enough to make them think twice about relocating. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you believe the weather won't stop them then why do you believe a paper full of racial hatred and bigotry will?
Anyone emigrating to Australia has to be able to support themselves for 2 years. Pensioners emigrating to be near family have to support themselves for 10 years before they can apply for an Australian pension which they may or may not get as their income will be means tested.Free health care under the Medicare system is provided but free housing certainly is not! How about the UK adopting the same policy.
HMM! LET,S SEE NOW A BIT OF RAIN VERSUS BENEFITS,HOUSE,SCHOOL, COLLEGE ,NHS,,OPTICIANS,, UMBRELLAS ALL ROUND FOLKS YIPPEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
I've decided to trademark the phrase "The Big Fat Gypsy Invasion"...in a year or two, we redneck southern gypsies are going to be the second wave...just think of the wonderful social implications: moonshine and beef jerky rather than tea and biscuits, ketchup and mustard on fish and 'freedom chips', large shiny new pickup trucks with confederate flag bumper stickers and feathers on the antennae (with the rhino-lined bed full of empty beer cans...that's how we dispose of them while driving so as not to break the law by littering), family riots on every holiday that continue for weeks until everyone forgets the original causation and continues it just for the sake of tradition, banjos everywhere you look, turnstile jumping elevated to a competitive sport, cheese grits (to which we add tons of garlic), iced tea with so much sugar that your pancreas flees in terror, and best of all, the gradual supplanting of every pronoun in the English language by the multi-functional "y'all"...beauty!
Coming soon to a council mansion near you...All the scum of the Earth from Romania/Bulgaria.
Excellent article, how much more can we take we are at a tipping point in our once great country, and cannot afford this influx of low skilled workers.
SIMPLY MAKE IT LAW THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO EMPLOY AN IMMIGRANT THEY MUST PAY AT LEAST £50 PER HOUR,,,NOBODY WILL EMPLOY THEM ,SO THEY WILL NOT COME,,,,BRITISH PEOPLE WILL COME OFF BENEFITS AS EMPLOYERS WILL HAVE TO START PAYING LIVEABLE WAGES, TAXPAYER WILL PAY LESS TAX,,,ONLY THE RICH WILL PAY MORE AS THE WORKFORCE WILL NOT BE UNDERCUT BY CHEAP FORIEGN LABOUR
This country is the honey pot of Europe free housing free benefits free everything, Thanks to the looney left who love to spend other peoples money.
A load of hot air again , Cameron must really think we are naive , and stupid to be taken in again by his lies. When will he ever learn that he MUST ASK PERMISSION from EU human rights lawyers , before he can implement these ideas,. Nothing will stop the Romanians or Bulgarians from coming here while we remain in the EU.!
If this report is true then Whitehall is even more stupid than I thought. My wlfe is a health visitor who tells me that virtually all the new mothers and single mothers she deals with are eastern europeans. When she asks of then why they have chosen to live in the UK the answer is usually the same. BENEFITS, SOCIAL HOUSING, FREE HEALTHCARE, Unless we curb these items to new immegrants then we will be over-run with a new deluge of migrants which will finally bankrupt the UK. PS I am not a racist. We need migrants who can contribute. My own wife is muslim and came to this counrty 30 years ago . She is shocked at the erosion of British Culture and Way of Life which has occured in the last 20years.
They should not be lifting restrictions they should be putting more in place it's ridiculous don't the government think this country has swelled enough time for UKIP vote I think !!!!!!
Someone heard about diference between bulgarians,romanian and gipsy people ? Most of this immigrants are gipsies and it's important.Sorry but here in Bulgaria and Romania they make the same things -steal everything and nobody can change this people.
A nice polite sign saying- Unless you are a professional with a job waiting then I'm sorry we are full. There will be no family tax credits etc given until you have worked for 3 years and no unemployment benefits for 5 years, no social housing/housing benefit and most of all no healthcare without insurance. As for Turkey joining the EU, what is wrong with our government , they must be on another planet from most of us!!! The word David Cameron needs to learn is NO!! Even my 2 year old knows it.
No immigrants should get any benefits or free NHS treatment until they have contributed to our economy for at least ten years, and committed no crimes during that period. In most countries, benefits are paid for up to 2 years, not for life like the UK. No wonder we are bankrupt.
I bet many Rumanians and Bulgarians already know more about this country and its benefits system than most Brits . Big Issue sellers classed as self employed and so entitled to hundreds of pounds a month in benefits . Yes , some of us do watch TV documentaries . And that is just one of many scams , shoplifting and mugging are like an art form to them .
If these people do not get a job and pay tax then they should not get any benefits and that should be the same for all immigrants!! We should adopt the Australian outlook, you cannot live there unless you can prove you can sustain yourself financially and you must have a career/job already in an area of industry they need!! Our country is in a mess we must be harder with this issue!!!!
A big fuss about an estimated 70,000 people from East Europe. How about the annual immigration of hundreds of thousands from Africa, Asia, Caribbean and the Middle East? - look at London - a capital city in Europe flooded with Asians and Africans to the extent that they are now a majority.
The Ultimate lunacy and why we get out NOW.
richard, will you form a political party? if you do i can guarantee you will be in no 10 downing street, as prime minister!
Well if you only thought we had a stupid foolish out of touch Government full of posh boys you know it for sure now, And these buffoons are our top Oxford Educated people, god help us!!!!.
AlexRo81, Timisoara, Romania, 29/1/2013 7:53: You sound like a sensible chap who can view the subject dispassionately and with some humour. I have no objection to Romanians, I simply don't want any more large influxes of immigrants from ANYWHERE. Parts of G.B. resemble a United Nations refugee camp and we struggle to cope with what we have. As has happened and is still happening, we get a flood of detritus in the form of criminals and scroungers and we must say no to this.
Stop them by NOT paying any benefits, not giving them a free house, free council tax and endless handouts for their kids.
We all know what we will get, a hoard of Gypsy types or rather more of them if you work in Central London begging in the street, usually holding photos of someone elses baby cut from a magazine.
Enough is enough...
How will any of them come here to work? We are constantly being told that their are no jobs for our own unemployed, and this must be true, because haven't we recently been told that if anyone on benefits refuses a job, then their benefits will cease? The vast numbers still claiming benefits must then mean that there is not a single job available for anyone in the UK. This being so, the only reason any immigrant will be coming to us is not to work, but to avail themselves of the free healthcare, free housing, and benefits not only for themselves but to send back to their supposed (but not confirmed) families back home. Time for a change. I WILL BE VOTING UKIP AT THE VERY NEXT ELECTION.
@ Surfer Rosa , Warwickshire, 29/1/2013 08:45....I see where you're coming from but the Brits did not 'ruin' parts of Spain and France, the Spanish and French have achieved that themselves because they are so insular and nationalistic to the point of bigo
Our air-headed politicians, including Cameron are a joke, and if they think this will deter these people from coming here, then they must all be insane, .!!!
As has been said on countless occasions - CHANGE the BENEFITS system, STOP the problem. The real question is, therefore - HOW do we change the benefits system that makes this island so popular with those not intending to work for their living? If our EU masters/sorry, "partners" cannot allow us to do even THAT basic change then the questions are much bigger ones ¿ Where did our democracy go? HOW do we repatriate/get it back?
Naive, ridiculous, waste of taxpayers money. Whoever dreamt up the idea that the weather would be a deterrent! Its just maths - this country is small, bust, and in London anyway, not enough homes, NHS stretched to breaking point, not enough schools or GPs and not enough jobs for those living here already. Its simple, Minister!
Standing in my sons school playgound yesterday, i noticed a new couple with a child and they were obviously not English because all people could hear was the two adults jibber jabbering in their own language - how is their child supposed to learn in an english school when this isn't his first language? Also, on the way out of the school after the kids were let in, the mother was walking along side of me and just before she got to the gate, she spat on the ground - still in the playground. A child might fall over in that. Yes i know, many people spit, but in a playground of a school ?? They are a disgusting pair and this is why we don't want them. They are dirty and have no regard for other people. They were also wearing expensive clothes, name branded stuff and had a brand new VW car. They make me sick, coming here and have everything just handed to them on plates. It has to stop.
Whoever thinks that a UK winter will put off a Romanian has obviously never been to Bucharest in January where it is usually well below zero.
.... the second group of Bulgarians are adults who don't know a word in English and mainly working in the agriculture. How students who are paying their taxes as normal( without any financial support from Bulgaria and England(not that we would require one from) and adults who are picking up fruits and vegetables are going to 'invade' and ruin England??? Trust me, no one will come here without knowing a single word in English... Recently, I started feeling like a burden to your country, although my dream was to come here and finish my education, and I hate to be a burden. I hate when people are looking at me strange just because I'm a Bulgarian. Maybe our policians worth nothing, but Bulgarians are not the people they have been presented recently and I hope they will prove that. In my opinion English people are aboslutely right to protest about their country and the convinience they have fought for, but Bulgarians are your least problem! -Kind Regards A.B.
Surfer Rosa - let's get a few things straight, shall we? My partner and I lived in Spain for 10 years. We took enough money with us to have a property built (thus providing work for the Spanish.) We bought a car, plants, food every week etc. We moved from the first villa and had another one built (thus providing more work for the Spanish.) We bought furniture, lots of plants, another car, etc. etc. I would say 90% of ex-pats in Spain arrive with enough money to buy a property. No benefits are available, only if you work for 2 years. Translators are not free, they have to be paid for. A reciprocal arrangement between the NHS and the Spanish NHS was in force when we were there meant that any treatment received free (when a pensioner) was paid back by the NHS. Treatment before pensionable age had to be paid for. We had private health insurance for 3 years.
Why would one think that all young , well mannered and educated people from Bulgaria and Romania would like to emigrate to Uk and work as cleaners and builders? There is poverty in Bulgaria and Romania but it is not the Third World .. Many of you who have visited these beautiful countries would know how warm , hard-working and honest are most of these people . Just do strict rules ....if one do not contribute to this community , the community will not serve them back...as simple as that.
Or just say NO - it will be a lot cheaper.
The government should NOT be saying " Do not come to England because it rains a lot", They SHOULD be saying " Coming to England will result in deportation, so save your time and stay away".
not exactly an endorsement of British life but since its spread over a country the incidents of seeing any of these are slight, still, I bet its better and more profitable than there life now. you have to finger in the criminal gangs that will make life more intolerable for the rest of us at the same time enriching the life of a select few, increasing the open warfare between different gangs for ownership of 'terf'.
Who on earth would want to come to this country with its UKIP supporters and right wing bigots?
Do the powers that be really think that telling these potential immigrants that it is cold here and people get smashed every saturday is going to put them off? Some expensive hope ! I have seen some of this rubbish advertising and the only thing that it does is to give the rest of the world, if they bother to look at it, a pretty disgusting image of this country.
"Call Me Dave can hardly stand up one week proclaiming the joys of a liberal Britain ¿open for business¿ and then sanction an international advertising campaign designed to persuade people to stay away." As much as I dislike our PM, I'm sure you know he actually meant open for BIG business, investment etc. Having an influx of immigrants is likely to cause the opposite; instead of investing money into the economy, they will likely draw it out and send it back home. I see where he's coming from on this one. But the ad campaign is an absolute joke.
jJust a bit of reverse psychology to make sure they all come. Whilst the forked tongue schmooses the plebs into believing that HMG are really trying to stop immigration... not . Will they get to vote in an EU referendum? And will they tip the ballance?
This is absolutely insane DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY POLISH, GREEKS, SPANISH any many many others CAME TO BRITAIN ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT SIGNED EU TREATIES WHICH MUST BE RESPECTED ??? DO YOU KNOW THAT BENEFITS COULD BE TAKEN IN BRITAIN ONLY AFTER SOMEONE WORKS AT LEAST 12 MONTHS IN BRITAIN ????
Any 'economic migrants' from Bulgaria are just as likely to head to Germany and France as they are the UK. Why the automatic belief that there will be a mass exodus and that the entire country will head here? We don't really have anything to offer anymore. This idea that immigrants will automatically get a house and claim benefits is not entirely true either. If the government really wants to put people off coming to the UK, don't bother with talk about the weather; just provide them with some detailed information about our economy, the lack of jobs, unemployment levels, the lack of social mobility, the lack of social housing, foodbanks, how we treat our elderly and disabled people, as well as the unelected closet Nazis we have running the country and they'll be sure to give us a wide birth. In fact, they'll probably pity us.
Let people experience what the UK and English people are like, and chances are, most will run back to their country eventually with their tails between their legs. That's what happened to me. I ran straight back to Canada after 2 months. - Tristan, Westmount, Canada, 29/1/2013 4:46 ... I'm intrigued - where in the UK were you, and what were your experiences?
Pathetic! Just ban them and get out of the EU - meantime, Camoron wooes the immigrant vote - what a Quisling, what a loser!
Just tell them no benefits and no housing that should do the trick
The only deterrent that will work is to say very clearly that they cannot expect housing, benefits, schooling or healthcare provided by the British taxpayer, until they have contributed for at least 5 years.
The worst thing about this influx is that a lot of tax payers money (benefits etc) will be sent to the home country, sucking hard working people's money OUT of the economy. Assuming they work, that money will go too which isn't good for us.
All politicians must be brain dead We need more immigration like a hole in the head. Think of it like a full box of 500 straws if you try to put a handful more straws in the box all you succeed in doing is split the box open and the straws fall all over the place. This is what is happening to our infrastructure it just cant cope
LOVE this article as it finally points out how UNGREAT Britian has become, I live in central Bulgaria where the climate is better than Southern Spain throughout April to September and where the people are more friendly and accepting of different cultures than the narrow minded British. Get real UK, I don't know why anyone would want to leave a beautiful, friendly country such as Bulgaria to come to the cold, miserable, unfriendly, crowded little island that calls itself the UK! - Ivan, Veliko Turnovo, Not all British are unfriendly or wouldn't accept immigrants. I strongly believe that anyone would go anywhere they can to give their families a better life. If its here in Britain then so be it. There are plenty of British people who have emigrated to Australia etc. in order to have a better life.
In Bulgaria temperatures can go from -20 or even lower to +40 degrees so quite how telling them it is cold here is just a complete waste of money. Many of the young who have gone to University can also speak English. We may as well just send them the money as they will be coming in large numbers and who can blame them when they see the quality of life here compared to their own country. The EU has a lot to answer to those in the UK and others. I can see why poor countries joun the EU as they are bribed with free money (ours) to help build their roads and infrastructure, but what we get out of it is just a large bill and a never ending stream of people who we have to support until they can support themselves and often the ones their is a large proportion of those who come over that have no intention of supporting themselves if they don't have to. Our Government and particualrly the last Labour one have sold us down the river and we will be paying for decades
its just typical of the brain dead idiots we have got running this country that wont stop them the amount of freebies this country will give them
Cannot fault your article on the impending influx of rich, multi-cultural diversity ambassadors aboard the good ship Titanic, er, sorry, Great Britain. SURFER ROSA: Yes, we keep being accused of racism, that being the case, why come here? I'm very widely travelled and every SETTLED - not the chav tourists - British expat community I've encountered, whilst not perfect, has brought money into the area to the benefit of the locals - ask any objective Spaniard, Frenchman, American, and so on, what they don't do is demand that locals change practices, procedures and the law to suit them. Try finding advisory leaflets in written English in government or local authorities in Spain or France - but don't hold your breath.Thanks also for the first laugh of the day - I saw the photo of 'Hitchcock' before getting to the text and also thought it to be Kinnock.
Will the copies of the Daily Mail sent to Bulgaria and Romania be given away with the a free dog whistle or does the dog whisle only come with the British version? If our benefit system really is so wonderful why do we need to have quite so many soup kitchens and foodbanks in most towns to ensure that people living in poverty don't starve?
Never mind Eastern Europeans. The volume of economic migrants from Spain, Greece and Italy has increased substantially over the last twelve months too. Time to close the doors.
Just imagine you are an average Romanian, who thinks that only the well to do have flushing toilets or glass in their windows, living in a country where people die from minor medical problems because they cannot afford basic health care. Then look at good old Blighty where everything is free and the government gives money away like it was confetti. Where would you live given a choice?
There is only one way this is going to stop. Get out of the EU recind the Human rights act, replace with a UK bill of rights, and the only way this will happen is by voting UKIP in the local, European, and General Elections in the next two years. The policy on immigration should be that people will be allowed into this country as long as they can contribute to the shortfalls in skills or that they have enough money to live on for 5 years. UKIP the party of the people, for the people and by the people.
Tell them the truth No jobs, if any they pay minimum wages No secure tenancy High bills to pay More likely to be homeless and jobless Immigrants are miserable as ever, due to the above
How much more can this country take before the bubble bursts and we have rioting on our streets. I am in no way against immigrants but isn't it time to look after our own in such times of austerity. How can we justify these people coming here and putting further strain on our already stretched services. Is it right our old folk will die because they can't afford to heat their homes or children who are being abused get missed because our Social Services are having to deal with the issues arising because of immigration. I could go on and on.
Do they really think that reporting the weather is going to put benefits scroungers from coming here? Just goes to show the mentality of the numpties in charge.
Labour opened the door ,the tories for all their waffle continue to carry on so the only alternative is either UKIP or BNP
"Do they really want to send their children to primary schools in which 40 pupils every day are expelled for attacks on teachers?"====== From discussions with school and college staff in a certain London borough, I can tell you they said some of the biggest problems of bullying and disruptive behaviour in their institutions were coming FROM Eastern European youngsters ...
I think that May's mob want this lot to come seeking refugee status, so that the government can cop for the 4 grand euro grant per head, agreed by the HS in her letter to the commission back in april.
All the beggers ive seen in London are pure english,lets see some different kind of beggers next year. - bg.in.gb, London, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 8:40>>>>>>>>>>>>>You obviously did not see the Panorama programme exposing this highly organized crime in London actually using children to beg...they traced these people concerned back to their large properties in Romania with the very expensive 4x4s and BMW parked outside! You sound very much like my MP he denied it also! London is an English city ( or used to be) so would you not expect to see (unfortunately) English begging it is their country after all! And they are being denied the help from organisations that help the homeless because of the number of immigrants now taking to our streets!
OVE this article as it finally points out how UNGREAT Britian has become, I live in central Bulgaria where the climate is better than Southern Spain throughout April to September and where the people are more friendly and accepting of different cultures than the narrow minded British. Get real UK, I don't know why anyone would want to leave a beautiful, friendly country such as Bulgaria to come to the cold, miserable, unfriendly, crowded little island that calls itself the UK! - Ivan , Veliko Turnovo, 29/1/2013 08:41 It is not quite as simple as that I have met some Bulgarians and they were nice people, it is just that we have nearly 3 million unemployed, 23000 homeless people, our NHS cannot cope now and our schools are full to bursting. Our welfare payments are bigger than tax revenue.Where will all these people live, can you or our spineless government just realise there is no money and no room. It is not a question of being racist just have to be a realist and say FULL UP
The British will be the Jews of the 21st century!! Worried about all the Bulgarians and Romanians that will be flooding the UK????? Well as a Scot and one of the thousands of Brits who saw the writing on the wall years ago and moved to Bulgaria I can assure you all that Littlejohn should really do a little more research before adding to the panic. It is not the Bulgarians or Romanians that will be coming in their droves but rather the gypsies! (Clambering in their tens of thousands though Littljohn??? I don't think so!) Lots of muslims. The real problem will be when Turkey is in the EU(sheer stupidity!). Then Brits really will start running for the lifeboats and all I can say is good move. We will be the modern Jews. Scattered to all corners and no country of our own. Truly sad!! But I love Bulgaria as do thousands more of us so I suggest you may love it too. Sofia is a dump for sure but there is a lot more. Veliko Turnovo(where I live), Varna, Burgass, Rousse etc.
If the government needs to do this, then they know there is a problem. Get out of EU now.
We don't want or need you!
I had a good laugh reading this.Anyway, I am coming to England for a graduate degree this autumn so I plan on making a T-shirt that says "I am Bulgarian and I came to exploit your social benefits" just to freak out people in the streets.
God how stupid can you get and what a total waist of money
Cameron and his rich business friends will be rejoicing. They will make millions more from all the slave labour that will come here. We are all in it together?.............................................They are.
Don't wase your money for ads ,everyone who wants to come will do it.Can not scare us with bad weather,check the weather forcase in BG first. You survived all poles ,you will survive us too. Check the facts just 1% are using the benefits ,most people will be fit and healthy and will not need NHS regulary and wouldnt be prepared to wait so long for free treatments anyway and they will go back to their home country to pay private in need for example. Just keep in mind ,people are coming here to work,not like you going in Spain,Bulgaria,Italy...to relax and buy houses. I know you already have too many immigrants,but can not do much to stop them this is one of these things,doesnt it.
The mentality of this government is unbelievable more like infants school children than men. Vote UKIP!
Just make benefits available only to British born citizens. Don't hand them out to every Tom, Dick & Harry with a sob story. That'd put them off coming here.
how many countries did britons didnt colonised?
The difference is pull all the expats out of Spain and Spain will crash. Take all the immigrants out of UK and we will grow. And by the way we have to pay for our own interpretors and Health care in Spain, and we don't get benefits. Not quite the same is it
The proposed campaign demonstrates that the government does not want the anticipated influx. The answer to the problem is simpler and cheaper. All that is required is to ignore the rule requiiring the uk to allow these people into the country. If they are not in the UK then they cannot claim benefits. If the EU do not like this they c an take the UK to task and fine us................so what,?....... the fine will be less than the potential benefit costs and I for one would not want to pay it anyway. It is time for our leaders to stand up for our country!!!
We have nothing from government but a ridiculous campaign saying "Its cold here!" What more can one expect from this government? We should be able to expect our government to work on behalf of current population and stem the tide. No benefits until they have been here for 10 years for example.
You want to keep immigrants out ?, simple way treat them the same as us brits make them wait ten years on the housing list before giving them a council house make them pay all their bills themselves and get the politicians to tell them lies
Just think of all the lovely warm clothing they can buy with their benefits but of course they wont need it indoors with their nice warm, centrally heated free house. Only a fool wouldn't come and I certainly don't take these people as fools.
Make begging illegal, refuse them benefits and subsidised housing and ensure theyhave enough of their own resources to last them for twleve months before they can apply to enter Britiain .
Has anyone contemplated the evidence that the UN and EU are on a mission to distribute wealth from the deserving to the undeserving? Does anyone care?
Throughout history conquering nations have sought to make their victory irreversible by deporting the native population and importing alien populations. The EU is bent on that same course, only it has no need to deport anyone because native-born Brits are already leaving in droves, but the policy of uncontrolled mass immigration is calculated to destroy our national identity and put us forever in their power.
Thanks to Richard, people will not now be able to enjoy the Hitchcock movie without the image of the Kinnocks coming to mind and transforming it into a horror film.
Sadly, to these people the streets of Britain are paved with gold, all the way to the Benefits office!
A quick flick through the last couple of editions should be enough to make them think twice about relocating. Problem here is, it's the drunks, druggies, dummy tapers, murderers, rapists and paedophiles that will come over here, so it's not going to put them off. Our parents/grandparents fought wars to protect our borders, many gave their lives, and for what? Sold out by our own government.
my country is broken and its leaders are bent i'm off to australia............
The Benefits system in England encourages everything about society that is wrong, there is work for everybody, If the infrastructure was right, can't help but think that a mass invasion of beggars and scroungers, may just finish us off!
once this door opens we have lost our country we must lay the blame for this at blair and browns door they must go down as the bigist disaster in briton we the people of england will never trust any government again they have destroyed our beloved country
the only reason they will come hear is for the benifits and who can blame them they are so easy to claim they should not be allowed anything at all close the borders
If you let them in with no healthcare or benefits crime rates will soar. there are enough british criminals subsidising their benefits through burglary and muggings without adding to them with this lot. we must get out of the EC. vote UKIP. You know it makes sense.
I have been in some cities in my life but have never seen as many beggars as in Bucharest
All these do-gooders telling us we are racist have the solution right in their own home - offer a room in your house or flat to one of these people when they arrive here, put up their childrn, feed them and take them into your hearts. You can use the pages of the DM that you seem to hate so much to teach them English, let them watch the BBC to teach them how bad our TV is, and then you an sit back and pat yourselves on the back knowing what a true Europen you are as your taxes soar, you cant get into your local doctors surgery or your local hospital, and your kids cant get a place in the local schools.
I wish Carmeron would grow a pair. As Littlejohn rightly says, if we change anything re benefits etc it will be ruled illegal by the European Court but hey so what? Whatever punishment they bestow on us can't be as bad as yet another swarm of beggars descending on our cash-strapped country can it? It is totally ridiculous that people who have never paid a penny into this country can claim a whole raft of benefits and it needs to be stopped NOW not after we have a referendum when it will be too late.
Send them a copy of the DM and tell them Britain is full of racists. I guess Littlejohn will be calling for all the Brits who've ruined parts of Spain, France, Italy and (yes) Bulgaria to be repatriated? It's only fair isn't it? The way they've ruined the housing market for locals, clogged up the state hospitals, demanded translators and ruined the town centres with their sky football bars and cr*ppy restaurants... bunch of hypocrites. - Surfer Rosa , Warwickshire, 29/1/2013 08:45++++++++Would that be the self same people who overwhelmingly paid for their own houses and accommodation, and in turn boosted the Spanish economy? Any health care that they got is on a reciprocal arrangement and is largely seriously lacking in what you get, unlike what you and your kind get here! If it wasn't for the Brits and Germans buying and holidaying in Spain your Country would still be in the backwoods.......Oh I forgot, you now mainly rely on the EU heavily for your existence.
I can fore see immigration and the influx from the E. U. leading to violent civil unrest, this Island is full up. Just tell them all they are not welcome, WE DO NOT WANT ANYMORE.
The teeming hordes arent coming here for a suntan !!! Our benefit system is the lure plain and simple. Our abject fear of Brussels enforcing yet more controls on us and more contradictory decisions under human rights legislation is slowly but surely bringing this once proud nation to its knees and all Call me Dave wants to do is boost his airmiles as well as his ludicrous foreign aid budget. Happy days.......................................not.
Well said, Littlejohn! I have always suspected the objective has been to cause social chaos...of the sort we have seen in Greece and North Africa. Not far off now.
This government like the last one is brain dead, on sorting out major problems with proper solutions, the only thing that politicians are good at is telling lies, covering up and filling their pockets with the publics money.
Only provide benefit application forms in English, offer no translation service, if they can't fill them in properly then they can't claim.
Listen they know if they get there they will get benefits they don't want to go to another country because they won't shut the door and shut it now UKIP
Immigrants should not be able to claim until they have served a qualifying period, paid taxes etc. and proved themselves fit to be Brits.
Add this to the cost of our EU membership. It's not just our "contributions" we would save by leaving. To those who are scared by the "Little Britain-Big Europe" brigade just ask yourselves,would you stay in a fitness gym whose fees skyrocket when you could leave and stay in shape by your own efforts.
LOVE this article as it finally points out how UNGREAT Britian has become, I live in central Bulgaria where the climate is better than Southern Spain throughout April to September and where the people are more friendly and accepting of different cultures than the narrow minded British. Get real UK, I don't know why anyone would want to leave a beautiful, friendly country such as Bulgaria to come to the cold, miserable, unfriendly, crowded little island that calls itself the UK! - Ivan, Veliko Turnovo, 29/1/2013 8:41+++++++++Methinks we'll be seeing you next January then.
Get ready,they will come in droves,a tenemant flat in romania or a nice council house in london ,you do the maths.
Why oh why does the UK have to import all this scum, when we they have plenty home grown already????????
Haha at least you recognise how bad and miserable this country is. Don't worry you will not be "invaded". If anything many Romanians will probably choose to settle in France as many of them already speak the language and the country itself is far more pleasant than the UK.. Spain is also a destination of choice for them. Stop thinking that everybody dreams of coming here. You said it yourself, it is a dump!
The Romanians and Bulgarians do not head for sunny Spain? Why? Because you get no benefits unless you have worked and you get no health cover unless you pay taxes or pay for it yourself. How simple is that!
Tell them they will get no benefits and no free health care for 2 years and no free housing.. Then watch how many turn up!
I look forward to the day...when I am visiting this country for holidays and health care!
NO expensive Advertising Campaigns. Just say " NO ! " and mean it ! But then your pals in Advertising would lose out wouldn't they ? But life really is rough at the top isn't it Dave ? YOUR Govt., YOU PAY ! NOT ME !!!
This government will do didly squat about immigration. It will spend all its time on fast tracking legislation that no one voted for and wasn't in anyone's manifesto.
I have had business in Bulgaria since early 70s , speak pretty good Bulgarian , most Bulgarians are good , hard working people , I can say, talking to many of my friends they are very happy we are likely to get the people causing the most crime & underage prostitution coming to UK & ridding them of a problem ! I've voted Conservative for many years - next time UKIP !!!
The government are just asking for trouble, not just for the economy but the community, forget lifting restriction, forget the eu, pull out now!!!!
" What annoys me the most is the difficulty some friends have in getting visas for their Thai WIVES yet a criminal undesirable gets full benefits and a house! - ron , krung tep, Thailand, 29/1/2013 06:45" You mean the authorities shouldn't be sceptical about poverty-stricken women who have effectively been purchased by desperate and deluded older men and question why they have entered into a marriage with them when often they don't even have a language in common? Do me a favour, it's more akin to modern slavery than marriage in the true sense of the word.
Shut the door to all immigration until this useless government sort the problem out. The UK is full to overflowing.
And all of this nonsense is precisely why I have joined UKIP and am running as a candidate. Oh and by the way, any Lefty Troll trying to play the "race" card, check out the UKIP website, extremists and racists from the BNP, SWP, EDL etc are BARRED, and those who are found to break the terms and conditions on this are OUT.
Just stop them coming in
No doubt all the baby machines will be demanding mansions for their dozen or so kids. IF benefits must be handed out, then make it what they would get in their home country. See if they'd come then!
what idiots they really are in our corrupt goverment,this is why we are in such a mess,because people who make up these stupid ideas are running this country.i went to germany and worked in 15 below degrees because the money was good.a bit of rain for free benifits ,SURE.
Pity you weren't so vocal on tax cuts for the rich whilst working families cannot make ends meet
Message to Romanians and Bulgarians, we don't want you here, you are NOT welcome !
It hasn't put off people from Somalia, so i doubt Eastern Europeans will be too bothered!
The UK government think that 'weather' adverts will deter-people from over-here, (Eastern Europe) heading for the UK! Are the people responsible for this thinking INSANE? Have they no-idea what kind of weather we have over here, with temperatures in winter, frequently dipping-to minus 15-20, with snowdrifts of 2 metres, impassable roads, and small towns & villages shut-off for weeks! - and when the Dunav (Danube) overflows, what conditions-are-like in the north near the Romanian border? There is insanity, and then, there-is officialdom 'INSANITY' ...... WOW, people, you have some KING-SIZED SURPRISES coming soon. Oh boy.
The weather what a joke!! They come here because they can, there is nothing to stop them, they steal and beg their way through our streets and police are powerless and so is the goverment there is no gate its a free for all!!
What is the point of all our comments.? The Government (whoever is or has been in power) do not stop this influx of people. I have no quarrel with those that can speak English, have a job or money. It is those that use UK as a place to get everything free, and have no intention of every working and paying taxes. If I was younger I would depart for Australia or Canada where they have stricter laws regarding 'spongers' and 'free loaders'
How long before it sinks in with our dense politicians?No benefits for foreigners and their imaginary dependants,make it retrospective and they won't come.Bring the troops back now to deal with illegals and to enforce deportations.
Reply to SuperD....How is it that a Romanian or Bulgarian who has never worked, lived or visited England be entitled to claim any benefit. The deterrent should be, if you can't communicate in English, have no skills or value to Britain. Chances are your going to starve or die from hypothermia on a lonely city street. That would make a few think twice. You are right man. They are NOT entitled to claim any benefit,so they won't get anything. Dont you understand,Its just propaganda. Journalist and politics trying to make us scare of them,but in very silly way, unfortunately
So the message is: UK has terrible weather, the streets are dangerous, knife and machete killing happens 15 minutes walk from the Parliament - Bulgarians you won't find this suits you at all so stay out. Meanwhile: UK is pleasant with friendly citizens, great restaurants, lots of nice open space and historic monuments - all wealthy tourists, you will love it so come soon and often. And: The Green Belt is old fashioned, out of date and gets in the way, anyone who resist concrete and clay, new housing estates or train lines is a NIMBY - don;'t listen to them, we are building a (big) brave new world. OK Dave, which is it?
Not a chance the weather will have any effect. No wills top getting free benefits, housing and free medical *(NHS).
Drop leaflets telling them that the British don't want them here. Tell them they will be reviled and hated. Most importantly the UK government needs to amke chages that will ensure these dregs will not receive, housing, healthcare or anything else!
Brits who've ruined parts of Spain, France, Italy and (yes) Bulgaria to be repatriated? It's only fair isn't it? The way they've ruined the housing market for locals, clogged up the state hospitals, demanded translators and ruined the town centres with their sky football bars and crappy restaurants... bunch of hypocrites. There is some truth in this.
The ONLY solution for you, Britains, is to change your social low. It is the REAL reason why all the gypsies from BG and RO come to you. They don't want to work here, they don't intend to work in GB as well. They are only going to you because of the GENEROUS social low you have. Your problem are not the people comming to work in GB. Your problem are the people like the laaaarge gypsy families, coming in GB led by the only idea of living for free. Why are you giving anyone that is NOT working, NOT paying taxes a free house, free everything??? WHY a family with two working parents and a 1 or 2 chindren have LESS RIGHTS on communal apartment than a family (even British ones) with 5 kids and NOBODY is working for years!?!?!? I am from BG and I live in BG. I am telling you: unless you will change that, nobody and nothing else could help you! Good Luck!
The Government is panicking, they know they will never get back into power if they don't address this, and stop all these foreigners coming into the UK, these things cannot be undone once they have happened and future generations will suffer
What they should be saying is don't come unless you have a job, somewhere to live and private health insurance. YOU WILL NOT GET FREE HOUSING, HEALTH CARE OR BENEFITS!!! If you can afford to get to the UK you can afford to keep yourself without benefits. Enough is enough now and the British public are sick of it. We have enough European here who are on benefits and we don't want more.
You will find that your list of negatives about the UK are trumped in every case out here in the east. Expect about a million to come and you will be closer to the real figure. Don't believe your politicians BS that they wish to stop this mass migration, they are happy to keep all you dumb working class brits in your place, that is on min wage forever.
THIS MAKES ME SO ANGRY
The turkish village i left in 1974 had a population 676 at that point in time. Today the number is 122 and it are only old ones. You might be interested where all the other ones are living today? Young People in Bulgaria or Romania also have only one target: The United Kingdom
The best advertising campaign is to say no benefits will be paid unless the applicant has paid tax and national insurance for at least two years. Oh, and also to say all communications with any government and local authority agency will be in English only. No translator service supplied!
With 26 other European countries, many of them with sunny climates and wonderful relaxed life styles, just WHY do these people come to the UK? Could it be that nowhere else in Europe do you get automatic free access to a health service even for routine treatment and maternity care? Could it be that a whole chest of benefit payments are available, even if you have no plan to ever work? Could it be that you will be given housing benefit for yourself and ideally, a very large family, as that will mean you jump the queue of those who have been living here for years? Could it be that there are thousands of low paid jobs available as local people won't do them as the returns are insufficient for a normal family, but acceptable for those coming from real poverty? Don't blame Europe for the system you have created that attracts immigrants to your shores.
When all that is left to defend these shores is, an advertising campaign, then you know that something is wrong with our political system .
Sten, uk....what's wrong with other UK countries? They don't dish out the freebies!! I spend a lot of time in Greece. No-one from another European country would get benefit there. If you needed a translator you pay for one, if your children go to school there they HAVE to learn the language, no English speaking teachers would ever be provided. We are the laughing stock of Europe and it won't be long before we are hanging on to the White Cliffs of Dover by our fingernails.
Let them all come. Serves the British right for being so soft.
Advertising our bad weather will do wonders for our tourist trade. The blithering idiots.
Come on Dave use your loaf these people all have the Dick Whittington syndrome they are not going stay at home.
I live in Bulgaria after watching Britain given away by a sucession of at best stupid politicians or at worst corrupt, Winter here regularly reaches -20 C with a metre of snow, it rains too so weather is no deterrent, block access to benefits for 5 years like they do here and even after 5 years we have to sign a document stating we won't claim benefits from the State in order to have permanent residency status. Why is the Muppet show (parliament) giving free money, housing, food ,clothing, TVs, ect ect ect to people who have put nothing into the system yet are allowed to feed like pigs at a trough on our benefits system ? Britain is already morally bankrupt so it may as well be financially as well. So glad I left.
Send them a copy of the DM and tell them Britain is full of racists. I guess Littlejohn will be calling for all the Brits who've ruined parts of Spain, France, Italy and (yes) Bulgaria to be repatriated? It's only fair isn't it? The way they've ruined the housing market for locals, clogged up the state hospitals, demanded translators and ruined the town centres with their sky football bars and crappy restaurants... bunch of hypocrites.
pathetic,is that the best they can do,thank you very much labour and thanks for nothing the tories, all the tough words well do this well do that mean nothing when it comes to it.
22 years since the communist yoke was lifted from these two countries and not much has changed. Where has all the money gone from the ECB and the IMF in getting their economies and yet when restrictions are lifted they will be allowed to flood here and it doesnt matter what the weather is like and they will be claiming for everything they get. Even though there are 2.5M unemployed, shops are closing down due to lack of demand, we are back at 2003 average incomes because of pay freezes and job cuts. Labour support this and that means they are letting down their own people down here who will be undercut by these poorly developed nations. Opt out of this like you did closer financial integration which would have hurt the city but dont care about ordinary people here who looking for a job cant get one...This has got a really stupid silly phase and spending money on adverts to dissuade is like asking Europhile Clegg to vote against these rulings from the EU....
didnt Cam say during his campaign we would get a referandum on the lisbon treaty? And didnt he also say he would do away with the human rights courts? Tell us another one...so sad to be starting to be disenchanted with my beloved britian :(
Let people experience what the UK and English people are like, and most will run back to their country eventually with their tails between their legs. - Tristan, Westmount............Despite your experiences, it is clear that this is NOT the case!
Let people experience what the UK and English people are like, and chances are, most will run back to their country eventually with their tails between their legs. That's what happened to me. I ran straight back to Canada after 2 months. - Tristan, Westmount, Canada, 29/1/2013 4:46++++++++Missing you alreadeeee!
LOVE this article as it finally points out how UNGREAT Britian has become, I live in central Bulgaria where the climate is better than Southern Spain throughout April to September and where the people are more friendly and accepting of different cultures than the narrow minded British. Get real UK, I don't know why anyone would want to leave a beautiful, friendly country such as Bulgaria to come to the cold, miserable, unfriendly, crowded little island that calls itself the UK!
What a load of claptrap
"This is where the Daily Mail can help. We should print millions of copies in Bulgarian and Romanian and airlift them to Sofia and Bucharest, where they should be given away free on the streets. A quick flick through the last couple of editions should be enough to make them think twice about relocating...." - yes, stay where you are, folks. That way you can avoid the printed version of the leaden wit and wisdom of Richard Littlejohn. You're still in danger of being exposed to it on the internet but you should be able to filter it out using anti-drivel software.
All the beggers ive seen in London are pure english,lets see some different kind of beggers next year.
There is only one thing that will put them off coming here. NO benefits of any kind!! NO MORE IMMIGRANTS!
The weather is always slightly different on the ground than it is on the penthouse floor of your ivory tower, Dave.
We need to change something within our benefits system to prevent these immigrants from getting our money, sharpish.
Yet again the governments softly softly approach because we can't upset anyone can we?I can say it plain and simple without any flowery message about the weather-DONT COME HERE BECAUSE WE DONT WANT YOU HERE- now that wasn't too hard was it?
Vote UKIP! The only way left to us now as every other politician and party has let us down on this issue of immigration.
and what adverse effect will this have on our tourist industry stop paying these idiots
As usual our politicians have their fingers on the pulse.
another political smoke screen hoping to confuse the plebs but the plebs are wiser they are voting ukip to save us from labour,liberal and conservative politicians who want to handcuff us to europe
I like this article. Made me laugh!! The truth is painful though.
We should not stop them but no free health care or benefits, no free housing. Why should they live better then me whilst I pay for it.
e petition 41492 is worth signing if you're against this influx
Come to Britain, Romanians and Bulgarians! The taxpayers will give you free healthcare, free housing, free schooling for your kids and free money. On top of that, you can work for cash in hand and beg on the streets. In fact, you would be insane not to take up Mr Cameron's generosity with other people's money.
Cameron is such a chicken.
Just veto the move to let it happen. When I say veto I mean just say no! Why does Brussels decide who crosses our borders?
The fact is that the opening of the borders to Romanians and Bulgarians will mean more immigrants and the people here will lose their patience and turn to the UKIP, this will happen shortly before the next election. No wonder them in office are starting to panic... !
The UK border is no longer a Border but a gateway to untold wealth for some people.
Soon there won't be enough of us left to make our UKIP vote count
I agree with all the comments.We cannot keep allowing migrants in who have nothing to offer the country.If they cannot prove that they can sustain themselves and families,add value to our country and be able to read and write English,why should we have to put up with them ? I consider it an afront to my European Human Rights to have to put up with it, so can I go to court and stop it ?I doubt it because I doubt that I would get any legal aid benefit-I guess they would.! Lets get the Poiliticians to stand up to this and put in place some rules to stop this migration.They seem to be able to change other rules and regulations when it suits,so why not this one ?
I know one Bulgarian working here who says the weather is much better than in her country and that no one there has any money. There is a network of Bulgarians here who help their friends settle in when they arrive (in much the same way as others who arrive in London and don't integrate much). She has lived here for 5 years and still has a very basic level of English as she generally only mixes with other Bulgarians. Getting on a bus in South London now you won't hear much English spoken.
This idea of trying to put immigrants off coming here because it rains a lot, is so ridiculous that it borders on complete lunacy. What on earth is wrong with our politicians? Why do they not see what the rest of us see? Have they no idea of the number of huge, brand new villas being built in Romania, funded by the British taxpayer? Do they honestly believe that rain will disuade people from coming here and 'earning' (?) in a couple of years, more money they they have ever seen in their lives? I don't know whether our politicians are stupid, deluded or simply underestimating the intelligence of the majority of British people. Whatever - I am sick to death of them. A group of chimpanzees could do a better job.
The Neil and Glenys Kinnock line was hilarious! Was that the time Kinnock was waltzing round a beach and fell into the surf? LOL
So you & obese English will build HS2 line,lol.
Dear MInister Just a quick note to let you know that they are not coming here for the weather. You could, instead, let them know that if they do not have a job to come to then they will not be welcome here nor is there any point in them claiming to be self employed (this one was used last time and we have learned a trick or two since then and that we don't need Romanian or Bulgarian food/drinks shops, cafe's etc). You could point out that to survive here they will need to speak English and that they will need work skills required by this Country as we have our own dead beats to look after. You need to refuse to pay benefits not only to them but in some cases to members of their families who do not have to actually be here. You need to let them know that they will not be fast tracked in to housing and you may want to add that if they commit a crime they will be deported immediately. You might also want to consider making them pay at the point of receipt for NHS. Hope that is helpful
Yes they know it is cold and wet but they also know large benefits keep them warm and well fed, free everything so you see why they love this country. Do I feel my feet getting wet?
So come to Britain and get a free house, healthcare, education and generous benefits. Oh but hang on, it rains a bit. Yeah, that will send them all packing back to Romania won't it??
Perhaps we should go and live in Bulgaria. I n twelve months time thousands will come here leaving all that living space over there. The few indigenous Brits left here now could move lock stock and barrel over there. We would be able to claim all sorts of benefits and the locals would not be able to stop us. If they protested we can take them to court and claim loads of money off them for their cheek. The money we get we can send back home and build a nice house in Chipping Sodbury. Is`nt Life wonderful.
If there all gonna move here why don't all the true brits move to Romania and make it "New Britain'. We can do it!
Unfortunately, we haven't a hope of erasing the memory of the massive New Labour campaign all over the world to persuade people to flock to this country and take advantage of our ludicrously generous benefits system.
If you have no Social Security number then you should not be entitled to anything - housing, health, unemployment, child benefit, et al. But despite this article, plus the howls of protest (including mine), we all know what will happen next January. Thousands of Romanian & Bulgarians will waltz through our ports, demanding housing, maternity care and the vast array of benefits that are handed out like sweets in a shop! Like everyone else, they will probably be able to 'claim' for children back home in their home country, or demand a five bedroom house as they've brought them here. And this Government will allow it; they cannot stop it due to the wonderful Lisbon Treaty signed by the last lot. All this talk of repatriating powers from Brussels is just rubbish; why should our EU neighbours agree that Britain can opt out of the 'nasty' rules when they can't themselves? So I am resigned to the fact that, once again, we are about to be overrun and our identity will be watered down further.
We're doomed, we're doomed ! Captain Cameron and his motley bunch of misfits he calls a Cabinet, have guaranteed that. The EU dictators in Brussels have already set in concrete that the UK will be forced to accept thousands of immigrants and we will not be allowed to stop them coming. Any silly campaigns are completely futile. ( They are already paying the fares and expenses for unemployed youth from the EU to come to the UK to seek work.) There is only one answer, and as each day goes by, the chances of it happening are receding further and further in to oblivion.
if you replaced all the mps at westminster with chimpanzees you would get the same results, no insult to chimpanzees intended
Once the Lisbon Treaty comes into force it will be way to late, there will be no getting out you need to vote UKIP and you need to do it now , dont trust the Three Horsemen of Britains Apocalypse " Labour , Tory or Lib Dems " they are all hell bent on staying in the EU and ruining this country
I bet it took someone with a Univeristy Degree to come up with that idea. The Government is full of educated idiots with no common sense. The real people in streets know this is a waste of money. If Romainians and Bulgarians, do not have correct paperwork, or a letter saying they have a job then they WILL be turned back. C\annot see how our weonderful UKBA will be able to remove then after 3 months in they do not have a job. Job Centre should be forewarned that Romainians/Bulgarians will NOT be entitled to Benefit money until they have been in the country for 5 years.
Florida's warmer, isn't it?
The rain and cold will be dealt with by the free house they will receive as they go to the head of the queue , in front of all the British people that have been waiting forever - especially if the local council is full of Labour Councilors and bleeding hearts .
Stop them coming altogether - Referendum NOW
The rain and cold will be dealt with by the free house they will receive as they go to the head of the queue , in front of all the British people that have been waiting forever - especially if the local council is full of Labour Councilors and bleeding hearts .
As soon as the government tries to do something about the horrendous benefits bill everyone cries poverty. There is no such thing as real poverty in the UK.
It's so simple don't give them benefits. That's how simple it is. I don't even have an a level
Uh unless some people don't realise you can't go straight to countries like Germany & claim benefits. They are very strict & all new emigrants have to have worked AT LEAST a minimum of 1 year before even being considered for what's known as ALG1 (that's 70% of your net pay). Also Switzerland is much stricter, being that they will have a quota system for the Bulgarians & Romanians (even then with no guarantee of getting the prized B Permit). The UK has to follow the examples of Switzerland.
TRISTAN of CANADA at 04.46 will obviously never make an Empire Builder? Two months away from home in England and the poor dear just had to rush back home to mummy and daddy! Dear Tristan, just don't try your luck in the back streets of Toronto or Vancouver or you'll just keel over in fright and start blubbing for mumsy again!
The Government has 11 months to grow a pair and put a stop to this . No job , no entry - sounds simple enough .
GOD HELP THE UK CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN IN BANKRUPT CESSPIT BRITAIN. VOTE UKIP. DO IT.
the cold weather will be attractive to all those Bulgarian pensioners - they will get fuel allowance and cold weather payment!
Everyone coming into the country should be checked like they do in New Zealand . How do we know who they are . They might be criminals on the run . Surely the protection of our people should be the main priority.I know I should not say it but perhaps if Mr Cameron was mugged my an illegal immigrant he might change his tune.
You honestly could not make this up. I have watched from afar as the UK has committed cultural and moral suicide, and there is absolutely no let up. None whatsoever, lots of meaningless words from the culprits mind you.
I'm a Romanian. I did visited London one time in May, last year. The weather was fine with 5 sunny days, more sunny than the Romanian days. :-) Although your London capital is one of the most impressive city I ever visited, I don't consider to move in UK. I don't have any reason to do it. I don't know why the English people still think that we, Romanians, only work in factories, payed with only few p/hours and we're feeling miserable for our life here in Romania. With a aprox 2000 eur/month and with the rents and prices way lower than in UK I must be a fool to live in UK nowadays. There are segments in the Romanian economy like IT that is very appealing for us the youngest ones. So, don't be afraid, we will not move to your country...maybe just visiting it, maybe to taste a fine beer or the famous London fish&chips. Cheers! Alex
Why don't they just run a campaign to tell them they're not welcome if they plan to come to the UK to claim benefits and we won't allow benefit migrants.
Richard littlejohn you have stated quite clearly what we all think. Wish the govt would get a bit tougher and open their eyes to what us going on tho.....,
Welcome to our wonderful government... I say this loosely!, wasting to s of money we don't have., on an advertising campaign to deter thousands of scrounges entering the UK due to poor weather..... Seriously, the mentality... No wonder we are laughing stock of the world, but it's not the UK people, we want our say, we want our referendum but this keeps being denied us..... I firmly believe if UKIP don't get into office soon, then true Brits will cease to exist...
Not our problem
We have until December to sort Brussels out, or Britain will cease to exist as a people. We didn't sign up to Schengen, but Brussels is ignoring us and paying people to flood Britain. Ask yourself Why. The Brussels Commissariat is enjoying Power and a Free Britain is a threat to that Power. Our Politicians have already surrendered. The Second Battle for Britain must start soon, or there will be nothing left to fight for.
This advert is a waste of money, you have to realise that the majority of people coming are poor be-on belief they live in shacks with no electric or running water, as for the cold they are use to 3 or 4 foot of snow in the winter, coming to Britain will be like living in luxury compared to there lives now. the only answer is to pull out of the EU this year before it is to late else the population in 20 years will be well over 100 million.
They aren't here for the weather, there coming for our excellent and easy available to any immigrant benefit scheme. It's an easy fix, forget the EU, make people apply for visas before they come over, grant access if they speak English, have needed skills and a set required amount of money, also the visa should be easily taken off them I'm you commit a crime.
I wonder why so many people will be voting for Ukip. Our present bunch of politicians must be from a different sort of planet than the rest of us.
Come on Dave get your act together and just say NO.
The best way is to BAN them from coming here. Just ignore EU rules. Britain OUT of the EU, NOW!
they will be here like flies around a jam pot
Oh Mr Littlejohn. have you never considered going into politics? I for one would vote for you what the government lacks is is common sense and you have bags of it!! And regardless of ANY campaign they are going to flock here in thousands, and as your not in politics my vote is going UKIP.
Goodness Lorena are you a politician - or are you employed by the EU. What planet do you live on. If you live somewhere where there is nothing for you and you can go somewhere else where you get a nice hours, free health care, food, schools for your children etc etc where would you live. They say 13K would come from poland in the first year. I believe it was over 114K and that was only the first year. UKIP is where I will put my cross.
Stop paying millions in a ad campaigns for a start , when they get here send them straight back , at their expense , anyone who hasn't paid into the system is not entitled to get our money spent on keeping them , feeding them or healthcare . Come on mp's , you allegedly 'work' for us , so listen at least once this century to the great brutish public .
Ha ha ha and all of the fools commenting or complaining on here could have avoided this years ago by voting for anti-immigration parties. You are getting exactly what you voted for.
Why do they all want to come here?? whats wrong with all the other EU countries??
I don't suppose the Islamic faith school, which couldn't be named for legal reasons, has since been closed down?????? They likely won't ever hear any more about this, despite it flying in the face of 'equal rights for women!!!!!
This is getting ridiculous now!! Close the gates of Britain now before us Brits get fed up and emigrate ourselves in the tens of thousands!!
We need HS2 to give the immigrants something upon which to more quickly infiltrate the country. Welcome to the door mat of Europe. Come and wipe your feet on us.
Here's how to deter them;- 1) if they can't speak english they have to pay for their own interpreter, 2) no help with housing, 3) not one penny of benefits in any shape or form, 4) no entitlement to a GP and support for GPs to turn them away from surgeries, 5) bring the troops home from abroad and put them on our borders and check everyone has a job and home lined up, 6) jail any british national circumventing these rules after trying them for treason.
Let's vote UKIP before it's too late and save Britain. Trouble is all the people on benefits with no intention of working will vote Labour.
So sad that the UK is obviously no longer a self governing nation dictating the rules for its own borders. My oh my, that old common market thing really has come a long way since it was introduced in the 1970s.
Or you could vote UKIP.
This country must be the laughing stock. You have people working all their lives, paying tax and national insurance yet when they retire, they are being told, we can't keep you warm, we can't keep you in a hospital bed, the drugs are too expensive anyway to save you, we can't keep you in a care home, we can't give you bus passes, we need your money to pay the benefits of those coming into this country and foreign aid.
As soon as they land on British soil they are taken away to be housed, fed and helped with a translator to form fill for all the benefits. I'm British, have worked for 20 years, self-employed, always paid NI and tax... Bet I'm not entitled to anything if I fell on hard times. Government should be sweating over the growing number of UKip voters!
How dare Richard Littlejohn talk about Britain like that! What a disgraceful article!
Gov are clue less they have to say something !!! we will be swamped hight tax to pay for it lower jobs and so it goes on !! What do Gov Do nothing UKIP NEXT TIME
Why is it that other countries such as Malta, which by the way are in the EU, only allow a visa for 3 months after that you have to register and be able to prove that you have either found a job or are able to support yourself financially to be able to stay ? Surely England being part of the EU (for now) can do the same thing, if the agencies worked together anyone who applied to the DWP for benefits has to show their passport, runs it through the same machinery as Immigration, this should flag up that this person is only here on a tourist visa and tah dah not entitled to benefits ! Or am I being too simplistic? Maybe I need that second cup of coffee ......
I prefer the campaign of "Come to Britain and we will give you nothing, then put you back on the train or ferry you arrived on". But it's not going to happen is it :(
Once the Euro-Muppets (Mr Cameron Ed Milliband Nick Clegg & Co) let in any Migrants from Romania and Bulgaria Etc Etc. The Government are Responsible for them & the Tax payers have to Pay for them FREE-Health-Care housing Food Ect Etc...Like it or Not. Thats why the UK needs a Referendum on Freedom & Independence from Germanys EU As Soon As Possible. But the Euro-Muppets do Not have the Courage. The UK needs Real-Men Real-Leadership ASP.
John please do not worry these Immigrants lifestyle will not suffer Cameron Cleggy and crew are going to fund this by removing the Winter Fuel Allowance from British Pensioners!!!
Why waist money on an advertising campaign? Just don't lift the restrictions and don't let them in
Hasn't stopped people coming to my city and selling the Big Issue. Is that really a better life than they had before?
Another nail in the conservative coffin. VOTE UKIP.
Give it a rest will ya! They are coming and there is nothing you can do about it. I'm rather pleased because I'll have Romania all to myself!
If I see any of these new imigrants, I'll see them off in the direction of the "posh boys" places. Then we'll see how they like it............................................................................
Even the Govt are panicking....Wait till we get the influx here...The British people are fed up now, I don't know what will happen when we actually get them here and start to see our country and people being ripped off, and cant do anything because of EU rules !
I am currently working in Bulgaria, if you think damp weather will put them off you are deluded. The climate here in winter is very harsh with temperatures often at -20c. The average wage here is about 250 euro per month! Unemployment benefits virtually non existent. Doctors visit is about 15 euro Where would you rather be? Politicians need to grow up and see the real world.
ur real problem is not the 29 mil romanians and bulgarians but the 1.5bil indians and pakistanis.....
For goodness sake when are we going to say'if you have have not contributed to the system and don't have medical insurance you can't get any benefits. Europe is bleeding our poor little island dry!!!!!!
THIS IS A REALLY BIG STORY. Things in the UK are more than bad enough now. You're already at saturation point with people just wandering in, taking handouts and thieving. There are two problems here. 1. British politicians don't seem to care how liberal they let things go. 2 British citizens would rather write to the DMs comment page than write to their MP. Get off your backsides and try and do something before it's too late.
Listened to a phone in on the radio yesterday about this - the first 5 people who phoned in, before I got out of the car, were actually all immigrants and all said basically that (a) this campaign was a joke (b) they'd rather be wet than poor (c) as long as the UK has such a lax over-generous benefit system migrants will flood here as other Euro countries don't pay anywhere near as much. They were all hard workers, and actually criticised the UK Govt and benefits for attracting lazy scrounger immigrants which gave hard working men like them a bad name.
Having lived and worked in parts of eastern Europe over many years I can be pretty sure that no amount of adverse propaganda about the weather, the poor NHS, crime on the streets or any other piece of nasty news is going to deter the majority of those wishing to come to this country from Romania or Bulgaria. Consider how they live remember what their leaders have done to them over the years, look at the state of their cities and then think "where would I rather be?". The answer to that question is clear. The only way to stop them is to legally stop them even getting through the door by changing UK laws and preventing them from coming in the first place. But try dong that now - it is too late, come January 2014 they will come in their thousands and nothing done now will be able to stop them. Have a happy new year Britain
I don't understand how these foreigners get so much in benefits when i have worked all my life, i am English and don't get a penny of help since being made redundant because i share with a lodger which according to DHSS means my lodger should help me out. Disgusting how we treat our own
They'll be begging there ticket money as we speak..
If HMG do not act they will rue the day. However another great reason to vote UKIP and dump the EU.
It will be January 2014 when they arrive. That's a year and a half before the next election. Plenty of time for the English to accept and then to forget the trauma. It's what the politicians are banking on.
Tristan It sounds like your a great loss to the UK Bye Bye! Let people experience what the UK and English people are like, and chances are, most will run back to their country eventually with their tails between their legs. That's what happened to me. I ran straight back to Canada after 2 months. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2269765/Begging-Bulgaria-benefits-Belgravia.html#ixzz2JLT4XVZG Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
This is all part of the three party strategy to deliberately collapse the economy through wasting funds in order to bring about rule by the new dictatorship in Brussels.
The British climate will not stop them coming, they will have to come up with a better idea than that!
What a waste of the tax payers money yet again, a simple no your not coming in would save millions . Man up Cameron or go. UKIP looks better every day .
If you don't think that it gets cold and wet in Bulgaria and Romania in the winter then I suggest that you've lived a very sheltered life!
Don't even bother. Instead spend the money on an official survey entitled "do you want anymore immigrants?". What annoys me the most is the difficulty some friends have in getting visas for their Thai WIVES yet a criminal undesirable gets full benefits and a house!
Why not ban benefits to scroungers and watch how they'll run back to their own countries!
Give me a break about Eastern Europeans flooding into England- most immigrants tend to migrate to countries closer to home and with similar culture and language- how else do you explain away the fact that more Irish people flood the job markets than eastern europeans who are far more likely to migrate to Germany and France because they are closer to home???? I am not defending migrants but how many of them actually claim benefits??? There are far more British long-term unemployed doing so than Eastern Europeans who are more likely to be younger, better educated and more willing to take risks, unlike our home grown bunch of lazy, thieving benefits scroungers!
@superD do not worry they will find a way to feed themselves... ;)
Just tell them they wont get any benefits or free health care that will stop them coming over!!!
What fools? They will have Benefits to keep them warm. Stop them!
Simplest way is to close the boarders and to return all those convicted criminals from those regions who can spread the word how great the UK is, turn off all benefits so the cash ceases to flow out of this country into these former eastern block countries and finally leave the EU job done
Go and ask many Foreign Nationals Did you find it hard to go and buy a umbrella from the Pound shop. I think you will find the answer is No, it was as easy as finding the Job Center
you can all stick it, you bunch of histerical whiners, look at yourselves, you're pathetic
Why not apply the same rules to migrant workers in the UK as in The Netherlands? I'm a Briton and when moving to work in NL had to prove I had medical insurance, a job and income as well as a place to live. I also had to have my details on the population register with a verified address before I could get any services connected to my home - so the Dutch always knew where I lived!. How is it that the UK Gov can't just adopt this model? Can't be against yuman rites as the Dutch are at the centre of Europe and no one rails at them for their "house rules". Once again, common sense turns out to be "rare" sense, I suppose.
The government has been promoting the idea that man made global warming will make the UK climate like the Mediterranean for years and now they are claiming it will be wet and cold? As if it would make any difference to the million plus who are already saving up for the bus trip, with free housing and free electricity and gas thrown in the new arrivals will be warmer than most ordinary Brits.
I might learn Romanian at least I can get a job as a translator.
CLOSE THE BORDERS!!!!!
The only thing that may keep these scroungers out is the fact that Britain has become a cess pit. I'm sure that in Eastern Europe a blind eye isn't turned to armed thugs taking over the streets.
so, quick, introduce a law stating that no new immigrant can access the health service and benefits for the first six months after arrival.
Frank Sinatra's assertion that 'hate California, it's cold and damp' (from the song) was ironic. Indeed it remains the only example of an American understanding irony since records began ...
As I understand it you cannot claim benefits in Ireland until you have been ordinarily resident in the country for two years. This includes Irish citizens who are returning home. The UK should have a similar rule.
"What about those of us who live here already?" - Why "us"? It's not as if that applies to you, does it?
I hold judges in equal contempt with criminals. I see them as two sides of the same coin (no pun intended).
just dont change the immigration restrictions. its our country and our elected government, MPs do your duty to the people that elected you.
As a Bulgarian living in Bulgaria Who visits Britain as a tourist once in a while I think this article is not fair, on the very verge of bigoted, and finally simply stupid. It would not be stupid if it offered any insight about the number of Bulgarians and Romanians living on benefits in Britain, compared to the number of Bulgarians and Romanians working and paying their taxes in Britain. I am sure you will be surprised, Mr. Littlejohn, if you only do your homework. Yes, there will be people moving to Britain in pursuit of better jobs and better life after 2014 but please do not use them as an excuse for your discontent with any faults in British legislature or public funds management.
The only advertising campaign Britain needs to embark upon is one that says "We are bankrupt, so bugger off".
Do you know that here in Bulgaria out in the villages and even Dobrich city you can walk the streets at night without any hassle? I have never seen a person walking around drunk in the streets or any trouble of any kind. The teenagers have respect for their elders and are polite, sure they wear hoodies but for the protection from the cold but nothing sinister about them. The reason for this is because they have a real sense of community and family values and respect for others.Yes we have crime here just like the UK but they are just thieves but not violent the way they are in the UK, and yes the Mafia are here but I have never come across them.So in essence if the Bulgarians knew what a violent dangerous place the UK is where there is no values or a sense of community or respect for others then I think all the benifits of living in the UK would eveporate from their minds.I for one would not move back to the UK unless I had to.
The Goverment and all its agencies are sticking their heads in the ground. They either cannot or will not do anything about these people coming into the UK with full knowledge of how to receive benefits and handouts. The people have had enough
Why not! the Government think were all thick.
Re Bulgarian and Romanian future immigrants; spot on!!
Save the money. No Welfare benefits, No medical, No housing. Support yourselves financially for 3 years. End of Story
don't advertise about the weather advertise how the sick are being treated in hospitals how nhs killed thousands by blonder how as steals innocent children from other parents
Do these beggars have access to the media?
Littlejohn for Prime Minister campaign...vote here
Not required........just restrict the number that can enter. Easy and simple. No need to make things hard just get tough!
How is it that a Romanian or Bulgarian who has never worked, lived or visited England be intitled to claim any benefit. The deterrent should be, if you can't communicate in English, have no skills or value to Britain. Chances are your going to starve or die from hypothermia on a lonely city street. That would make a few think twice.
I Have a better campaign, Sorry were full this Government has already given away everything. Try Germany. Vote Ukip for a true say on Immigration.
Its not enough to simply tut tut about the miscarriage of justice in sex cases I suggest writing to your MP asking that they be reviewed
They will still come here. The benefits are just too great to ignore.... and hey, what's a little cold and rain when they can get free everything from the British taxpayers.? I'm still voting UKIP.
The supposed deterrant to immigrants Shows how detatched from reality this government is How much I wonder did the relavent department pay the experts who suggested this worthless advice
This article is very well written as well as sarcastic and hilarious. I actually enjoyed reading it. Dear British citizen, no need to worry about this 'invasion' because there is no way that in a few months over 250,000 of Romanians and Bulgarians will invade your country (although some politicians said that there will be millions which is the most retarded thing I have ever heard and clearly irrelevant). There is a possibility of student numbers to rise a bit but what's wrong with students? We come here in peace and behave because we consider your country a model for the university profile that any country should look after, which is a good thing. Kind regards, A lovely Romanian student P.S.: And for the weather, nobody is perfect :)
If you screw this up and let them all in, I guarantee you that people will be voting UKIP when they go to the polls.. consider this a warning shot for all the three main parties and the MPs that read this.
What do they plan to highlight in the advertising campaign? The economic downturn? well that would be just like shooting oneself in the foot!
This a quizz ? Question number 1 : Begging in Bulgaria or benefits in Belgravia? Begging in Bulgaria, LOL...... Sorry sir the answer was Benefits in Belgravia. Next question please.
I cry for this country am only 24 but even I can notice a difference in this country in ten years. Such a shame that this nation was once great
Why not just tell them - No house, no benefits, no schooling and no healthcare. Just stop it now. What can the EU do? We, the voters have had enough.
The ONLY thing that will put them off is to tell them they will NOT get any benefits. Why are our taxes being used to feed, house and clothe half of eastern europe. Enough is enough and we must put an end to it now.
But "Benefits Britain" makes the "sacrifice" worth it. They can build a new house back home on what they'll be getting here.
This country was, and is being systematicaly destroyed by the open door policy of Bliar & his cohorts. Cameron has done NOTHING to redress the balance,nor will he!
All these Romanians and Bulgarians coming to Britain will be able to get benifits and free medical help,but as a pensioner who paid taxes for 44 years but now living in Thailand with my familly ,i get no yearly pension rises and must pay for my treatment on the nhs ,some mistake surely is that fair?
You have a very smug face Richard. You look like you've just caught a reflection of yourself in the mirror and you are now stopping to admire it. Anyway, Somebody once commented on here that they have a friend at the home office who told them that they were only allowed to deport 1 in every 25 migrants no matter what their criminal history.
What i cant understand is the biggest crack down on imagration at the moment seems to be if you marry some one from outside the EU . If you have a foreign wife or husband from outside the EU , you have to earn more than £200000 a year pay hundreds of pounds for a visa medical on arival after another fee of hundreds of pounds and then pay for tests and if fail pay hundreds of pounds and have another test . You your parents your grandparents have been born and payed taxes in the uk . How fair is it that some one from the EU who may have married someone from the same country can also come here with no fees no tests no medical . i am not in this situation but for some one who is its got to be another kick in the teeth when they see thousands of Romanians and Bulgarian entering the UK in December .
The only things that will stop them coming is (a) they are told they cannot claim any benefits until they have been in the country for more than 2 years; (b) they will not be entitled to social housing unless they have the money to pay the rent; (c) they have to show that they are willing to work and look for work within 2 weeks of coming here; (d) any application to the ECHR as they DON'T have any say when it comes to the every day workings of our country. Because until we separate ourselves from this court and everything it stands for, which quite frankly most of the time has absolutely nothing to do with the law.
One of the greatest lies ever told by Labour regarding immigration is that immigrants pick our fruit and veg because the brits won't do it. Before the expansion of the EU our fruit and veg didn't rot in the ground, despite the constant brit-bashing there were and are plenty of willing and able brits prepared to get their hands dirty.
What rubbish about living conditions here in England to put off Romanians and Bulgarians: I live HERE, that hasn't put me off or tens of millions of other Brits. What you should be writing about instead, is of camoron's desire to get Turkey into the EU, as re-affirmed in his mid-term report earlier this month. If you think it's going to be bad next year, you won't want to live in Britain when the Turks are allowed into the EU.
YEAH AND YOU DON'T THINK TWICE ABOUT PUTTING PRESSURE ON THE BRITISH CITIZENS WHO WISH TO RETURN HOME TO THE UK WITH THEIR MARRIED PARTNERS AFTER MANY YEARS..... WHO HAVE TO FIND £62,500.00 IN SAVINGS OR THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK HOME.....
JUST HAVE TO VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!
This is the Labour Party's legacy. All the main parties are committed to the status quo, only UKIP seem to be willing to make a change.
Why have these people been put through the ATOS system? this government put the elderly, terminally ill the disabled through one hell of a farcical process to asses their eligibility for benefits most had to go to appeal as the Health Care Professionals where given a financial inducement to fail a given number, yet these people trawl into the u.k....supplied with translators, benefits clearly explained, forms filled out for them, no:1 priority for housing.......... Where's the English people help in all this??? ask I.D.S. + Company. RED ARROW THIS DM YOU WONT/DONT LIKE PRINTING THE TRUTH.
This is why our country is on its knees.Vote U.K.I.P its the only way to get our country back.
Cheers Tone. Thanks for nothing.
NOTE.... The Australians do not cost much.... and it is now so hard for Australians to move to the UK....BUT former axis enemies can just waltz in and get every conceivable benefit there is. MMmmmmm who won the war? mmmm.
UKIP VOTE UKIP How worse can it BE? This story makes me spit blood
The bottom line is this,,,,, We are getting screwed and the people who are responsible for doing it are our own politicians. If you want to stop being shafted then vote for new politicians or it will continue as the present lot really don't care.
Our only hope is UKIP this is getting out of hand can't wait for the next election day Nigel your defo getting my vote.
Are you reading this Jamie Oliver?
I'm born and bred in England and have to prove i earn 18,600 to bring my Canadian wife here...so two non Brits have more rights than me it seems in my own country...all wrong
Does this mean that my £23 a week pension is all that I get after working all those years in England??? Maybe I should become a benefits tourist and see if it improves.
I am a Brit, born and bred. Worked all my life until 6 years ago, some 35 years paying all taxes and NI. Left the UK for some sunshine, but chose not to stay in Europe. End result? If I come home, which I may have to if the Middle East does not calm down (and I do not have a regular salary tax free), if I am forced to return to the UK, I can get no benefits at all! None, no job seekers, no housing benefit, no free health care, I cannot even see a GP without having to pay privately. I am a Brit, fully paid up and reports like this really get to me! It explains why every time I get a bit nearer pension age, they increase it.
When I moved to France, I had to produce bank statements and documentation to show that I was self supporting...why does the UK not do this????????
This hurts me!!! It cuts my vain!
Too easy for them - make them pay their own way or get out,
What on earth can we do to get these so called political idiots to LISTEN to us, The people are crying out to be heard, Nobody is listening, SO to get our voice heard, VOTE U.K.I P. I cannot see any other way, They are our only chance to change BRITAIN..
Go to Woodgreen it's full of them
Time to start the big reversal
More leeches to include on your Tax Returns under 'DEPENDENTS'!
Change the free movement rules if a citizen of another country claims benefits or healthcare from here or a different country that country can claim the money back from the country they are from. Would save billions.
Yes but the bring so much from their country to ours! Mainly it's their debt. We need to get out of the EU and start getting this country back to how it was before they were letting any poor member of the club in.
Nigel Farage is one of the few politicians that are right about Syria,benifits and the EU I reckon it will be only a matter of time before UKIP is the third largest party in the UK
GET THEM OUT!
Anyone not voting UKIP next chance?
WELL DONE LABOUR..
KEEP WORKING MILLIONS ON WELFARE DEPEND ON YOU
Keep up the good work Dave, your playing right into Nigels hands, he and his party are getting closer to governing our country with every decision you make.
In the end those of who work will be starving in order to feed those who live off us. Never, in the history of our nation, has such cruelty been perpetrated against the British people. God help us.
Soon you will turn into Canada where we are taxed to death!!!!! This is all to the people that move to a country that has good social benefits like being paid money for having children. These people move and just sit and live for free while the hard working class pays for their life long vacation. Not to mention their population grows, they try to change the societies rules and spread their religion!!! I hope your government is different than ours!
some of u are saying the Syrian chemical attack is propaganda, then I guess this story is too.
WOW - I have been in UK since 1960 and have never once claimed for anything not even for my kids. I even pay their Uni fees. I must be dumb or stupid. Not looking forward to retirement as I cant think of anything shameful then collecting that stupid degrading and humiliating pension - yes it is in view of what others get when they have contributed nothing to the country.
WOW - I have been in UK since 1960 and have never once claimed for anything not even for my kids. I even pay their Uni fees. I must be dumb or stupid. Not looking forward to retirement as I cant think of anything shameful then collecting that stupid degrading and humiliating pension - yes it is in view of what others get when they have contributed nothing to the country.
This has been going on for years now and nothing is done. Forget Syria and Ian and tackle the real problems that the normal englishman has to endure every day. We arer eally not as generous and soft as david would like us to be.
"I seen Spanish move here because they only receive 6 months benefits in Spain, where we will support them for life." - sorry to rubbish this comment but my friend has lived in Spain for 30 years and with regard to the benefits system there this isn't true. Firstly you are expected to pay into their system for 5 years. If you are made redundant, by law the company has to give you 2 years salary as a payoff. You then get unemployment benefit for up to 2 years if you have made 5 years contributions, after that you are on your own. No job and you don't eat, it's as simple as that. My friend was made redundant 3 years ago and used his redundancy money to start a language school when his dole ran out. He is English and cannot believe how easy the benefits system is over here, his partner's husband left her with a 14 month old baby and she told me there are virtually NO benefits for single mothers in Spain so she had no option but to go back to work.
It needs to be taken out of MPs salaries, not the rest of us poor peoples!!!
So the scrounger rhetoric and attacks on disabled benefits was done out of ignorance of true facts, wonderful. I hope the govt intend to apologise to those whose lives they have severely had an impact on with their propoganda. Nothing like the truth is there.
Forget UKIP. They are a load of wimps. Be PROUD of your beliefs and vote for that other ultra-right wing party.
Keep paying suckers, I had enough and emigrated years ago!
It will have doubled by the end of next year. The UK has become the world's dustbin. Time for action.
Sink the ship.
Is it any wonder,the country is in such a mess?It isn't just Benefits,the largess covers:Housing,education,NHS,GPs,Social Services etc,etc,and we have more to come in 2014.Happy New Year.
why not give them benefits equal to what they would revieve in their own country and recoup from that said country?
41% in 5 years..peanuts ! compared what it will be in the NEXT year.
only in this pathetic, useless cowardly nation can this abuse happen. No wonder everyone laughs at us. Cameron needs to concentrate on this rather than Syria
Does anyone know how these EU treaties work? Is it possible for unemployed British people to go to Germany or Denmark for example and get benefits there? They would be a lot higher there but have not heard of anyone doing it. Surely if we have to pay benefits to EU citizens here, UK citizens would be able to get benefits in EU countries.
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes. - Troy, London, 29/8/2013 9:27 I am sure you are a nice, charming, simple person, but your ignorant simplicity is beyond belief.
This is out of control, when will someone have the balls to do something about it.
AND TO THINK THAT DAVIE BOY WANTS TO SOLVE SYRIA'S PROBLEMS WHEN HE CANNOT SOLVE ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS OF THIS COUNTRY - ROLL ON UKIP
VOTE NIGEL, VOTE UKIP, TIME TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? Just why are we supporting these people, we must be the only country in the world you can arrive in and be given handouts. The welfare state was never meant to be abused in this way. Is there no one in government who has the backbone to stop it?
are we just going to sit back and take this ??
Is either the EU or the NHS being Privitised. I know that I want!
Come on Conservatives! You keep complaining about what Labour did to the country, but you've barely done anything to fix it.
Utter madness, it is because of such things that I vote UKIP, because they will put a stop to this madness, so come on people, vote UKIP..!!!
You have two choices in 2015: Vote UKIP or, get more of this. That is it.
Absolutely shocking that we have stooped so low as to be the dumping ground of the world. We have to bring down this government and get Nigel Farage to sort things out. No-one else will do it.
Why do we let them in if they can't support themselves? And why is our government such a pathetic soft touch?
Totally fed up with facts like this. Anyone else?
We all knew this didn't we......That's why we are backing UKIP.....
YEAH AND ALL BRITISH CITIZENS WHO WISH TO RETURN HOME TO THE UK WITH THEIR MARRIED PARTNERS AFTER MANY YEARS HAVE TO FIND £62,500.00 IN SAVINGS OR THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED BACK HOME..... TREAT THEM THE SAME!
I'm an ex pat living in Canada who worked in the UK for many years. My pension that I paid into is frozen and will never increase as pensioners in the UK , USA , and EU countries get their increases. However it irks me to read just how many non UK nationals get millions in benefits and have never contributed to the system. I'm hurt and confused by such crazy double standards that doesn't allow ex pats in commonwealth countries the same benefits as those in other countries, or even those with no ties to the UK! I feel like a second class Brit! Homesick Vancouver Island
i am simply FEDUP. both my husband and i have worked full time for some 30-40 years, but when he was made redundant in his early 60s, other than 6 months of jobseekers allowance, we have not been able to get any help at all as we have been careful and paid for our house and i have my pension!? when will it be more fair, that those who have paid into the system should benefit not all and sundry who are just benefits tourists...
Perhaps Jamie Oliver could employ them all
I know of an Italian man ,who went to the UK 10 years ago, worked for a few months, and gave up working to travel around the country living with men he had met on the internet, and sometimes even going abroad to live with them for short periods .He isn't working, and in the past only has kept down jobs for very short periods of time. He gets unemployment pay, free healthcare and housing allowance, even though he lives with a "partner" who is a house owner. Would UK citizens get these payments if they decided they would like to live in Italy ??
MADNESS _ The only ones who have the answer to it are UKIP
I think we are being well and truly shafted, with the consent and endorsement of our own politicians.
stand by for tax increases and fuel tax to go up to pay for this and the syrian madness.
Everyone, come to Britain and get a FREE HOLIDAY! All you have to do, is turn up, and when you run out of money, they will give you accommodation, food and spending money. For as long as you want.
When will somebody put a stop to this madness? If Cameron put as much time and effort into dealing with this monumental problem as he does into gathering support for his attacks on Syria, then maybe the British public would be happier!
The British government is too spineless to stand up for this country in case anyone is offended. Why can't they remember that they were elected to fight for what's best for Britain, not for what's best for those who want to come here.
So much for cracking down on benefit seekers. The only thing that will save the UK is a revolution and mass hanging of politicos.
Well we're all to blame for this for just sitting back and sulking about it as it's easier than marching every day. British grit yeah right!!
the end is nigh
The USA is the land of the free the UK is the land of the freebee.
Oh but remember the rhetoric "they're good for the country" my question is Which Country???
Margaret Thatcher's infamous 1978 statement that Britain was ¿being swamped by alien cultures¿. 1978!!!! the warning signs were there almost 40 years ago!
We have to stop this migration. And we need real politicians who are prepared to do that and defy these ill-considered EU diktats.
As a pensioner [ war pensioner at that ] I could see it coming, and that prat wants to get us involved in Syria, give me strength. Please,please vote UKIP and so get us out of the EU and Convention of Human Rights, I've only got a few more years, but at least I feel I would die free as I was born free. gizzie vote UKIP
The British people have been sold down the river by third rate politicians . - Beth , Kent, 29/8/2013 Third rate? You rate them too highly.
Vote UKIP
RE.....This Nonsense has to stop, we cant keep letting all and sundry in of course these people will keep coming they dont care about us or the UK,just money...And still they will allow more in DO THEY WANT US TO RIOT?!!!! - paulsmith , sheffield, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 ...........Actually Paul they've ignored us for so long now I believe it's our only option. I class myself as a decent person but my forefathers fought and died for this country and their will be nothing left for my child so I feel rioting is our only way forward.
No-one should be able to claim benefits until they have contributed for a minimum of 1 year.
Utter and total madness. Where will it all end? When we are completely bankrupt.
Same happening anywhere else in western Europe, only option, close borders again, it can't happen quick enough. 2014 will be even worse...
No British passport = no benefit, simple as that
All courtesy of EU Dictatorship membership.
I dare not write my comment
Government has made it too easy to apply for benefits, no wonder the country is struggling. They need to get independent assessors involved. Even the job centre gives out advice telling them to go to the doctor with some pain to get a sick note. Its fully known, that people from the EU come and get the benefits and spend most of their time back in their own country but getting hand outs from here. There is no stamping of the passport for entry and leaving the country either, therefore it is not known whether they are actually in the country or not. Unfortunately this reflects badly on the people who are from the EU who genuinely want to work.
This Nonsense has to stop, we cant keep letting all and sundry in of course these people will keep coming they dont care about us or the UK,just money...And still they will allow more in DO THEY WANT US TO RIOT?!!!!
And the vast majority will have never contributed a penny....................
Marek, 12:47 = Correct.
one thing for sure DAVE will not tackle the problem U K I P will
EU workers are coming in truck loads every day and that guy in charge is busy preparing for a war, what a joke!
Reports like this drive me mad We have worked hard all our lives and now in retirement still pay taxes because we saved for our old age. Our children have always worked and are now struggling to educate their children at university and yet these people can come here and get and expect handouts. The British people have been sold down the river by third rate politicians .
Steve, 12:38 = Or like me its their day off, maybe you have no job after all look at the time you posted.
what is asia and middle east? show them under separate category as they are in no way related
We all know that it's wrong so why don't the government do something about it?
Sooo this we know but what is the government doing about it?? Never mind Syria this should take president!!
vote UKIP, split the Tory vote and let Labour back in? You got to be joking. Labour created this mess to start with
What is the saying about, "Shutting the stable door ?", the UK's should have been locked before the EU opened it.
VOTE UKIP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they come here; they breed adding work to the NHS; claim child benefits....then their children are British...clever isn't it...doesn't take a lot to work out the logic
400,000 doesnt sound a lot right? Check this out. Quick Calc per year - assuming each are jobless for one year. 400,000 people x £56 pw per person x 4.4 weeks in a month (average) = £1176 million a year job seekers + housing benefit of at least £400 (pp average) = 160 million tax credits £150 each child (say 2) £1440 million + lack of tax as they wont be working = £1000 (a conservative guess) = £400 million + Use of NHS, Doctors, Schools = 10-30k each = 12,000 million = £15,000 Million , or £15 billion wasted on nothing but unwanted unskilled workers? All for skilled labor, but we cant even train our own youth. I need to say no more. Simple as this - No contributing, no taking. Stay here for 5 years a minimum before even claiming the most basic of allowances. We are not the Homeless Hostel of Europe. We ned to protect ourselves against our own goverment, and the EU. I think i speak for everybody here!!
Tell us something we don't already know!!
Absolutely disgusting, get them out .................. vote UKIP
Not long before Brits are a minority
AND WE DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!
@ 400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published beca
It's easy..... UKIP. Fours letters!
Must be the only country in the world that welcomes anyone in without a job or savings and have more rights than a Brit .... I'm British and have to prove income of 18,600 to have my Canadian wife here
Here we go again; the same old story. You'd think a democratically elected government would, say on behalf of the citizens that vote and keep them in their jobs, ensure that nobody is allowed to settle here unless they are able to support themselves and would have to consequently sign a document understanding that no benefits are payable for 10 years. If a government is there on behalf of the taxpayers then what's the problem. My guess is they've got themselves tied up in human rights laws of which they did'nt have a clue about in the first place.I wonder, sometimes, what really is the point of voting.
Let Jamie Oliver take them on he seems to like employing them.
VOTE UKIP!!!
ONE ANSWER, UKIP
It's good that we are looking after people in need, I'm glad my taxes are being put to good use.- Alex, Mansfield, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:28.........People in need that can afford weapons are not starving. They just need to get their priorities right.
The figures does not include the child related benefits for non-resident children living in Eastern Europe. To speed up the payments the last Liebour government paid these benefits into Bank Accounts in Eastern Europe without verification because the checking system was returning blanks or taking far too long.
We need to wake up, we are in a decent into poverty we cant even imagine, look at japan 10.5 trillion in debt and that country could go under at any time taking everything with it, look at boston look at california, look on you tube, do your research.... This will not end well and our governments are just trying to hide the reality.. Vote with your feet avoid places that use a labour force you don''t approve of, I need a dentist but cant find an English one, I refuse to use anyone else.. I only support English workers.. If you don't like the banking system use it to pay the bills and take every other penny out, get a safe, make your mark before its to late although I believe it already is....
Whilst punishing our OWN.
Don't how they come here and claim , my wife is Canadian and we have to prove I work with income 18,600.... I must be doing something wrong
Who is this headline not 500.000 FORIGN scroungers shirkers and idle layabouts not the headline here?
Chuck them all out.
£1,000,000,000 / 400,000 = £2,500 and NOT £480,000! So BILLIONS is quite possible Dave HULL 400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper. - Lisa, Rochdale, 29/8/2013 10:56
Come the next general election most people will still vote for the party's responsible for this and doing nothing about it. How many of those having a moan are still going to vote lib/lab/con? you vote for these politicians so blame yourself , or do something about it and VOTE UKIP.
THis is where the Government should be making there cuts, Not punishing its own people to pay for people that have no right to take out money in benefits. Thats why they all flock here there thousands. Free ride and they dont even have to work who wouldnt do it.
Don't forget the big issue sellers who class themselves as self employed so they can get into the UK in the first place.
LUNACY
Dear left, Up yours for running this country into the ground, I live in hope the revolution is just around the corner.
I don't think people understand! This political system is in place to destroy the UK. I know its hard to believe or get your head round it, but just what has and is happening to our country. YOU HAVE TO LOOK TOWARDS GOVERNMENT OBVIOUSLY!
When the dust settles on the Syria issue, this story needs to be headline news. Labour need a good "bashing" on this issue and Cameron needs to explain what he has been doing for the last 3 years! I call on Godfrey Bloom to make a "colourful comment" to bring the issue to the public attention!
I am from Eastern Europe and I totally get why you British get angry. It's way too easy to get benefits in the UK. I met people who who came here just to apply for benefits and now live a great life back in their countries getting money from the UK. I really hope that the UK government sorts this out. It's not fair!!!
We need to stop paying benefits to new arrivals and make sure that they have paid into the system for 2 years before we start paying benefits.
Thats between £50-£70 being spent each week on these people. This could have so many of OUR people who are dying of thirst in hospitals. Hire a few extra staff, pay for more police men on our streets to make it safer.
So it turns out the "old" Westen Europe draws way more benefits from the UK than Easten Europe and there's never a word about them, oh I forgot, they are a better class of people.
Can anybody tell me, what other countries, anywhere in the world, pays out non-contributory benefits? I think that the answer id NONE!
What is so difficult about just turrning the clock back - and everything with it - to pre EU?
I just hope to NEVER again see the day that Labour are back in power being the catalyst for all this migration in the first place
LEAVE EU NOW!
I think if you are applying for benefits within a year of arriving you should be given a one way ticket home not benefits for the next x years.
I wish I could wind back the clock , not ever worked paid tax or had my own home .... if only I had known ...
haha as an ex pat living in euroland im having a great life.Get paid lots of euros,no loony health and safety to boss me about(funny how only in england these people exist)my bin is emptied every 2 weeks,can go out for a civilized drink ,meet up with some workmates who, like me were not born here.Nobody whingin about the eu.Most ex pats i know are terrified that if britain leaves the eu they will have to return to england and a life of benefits.ps.and the nhs cant hold a candle to the great health care i receive here. - hammy, Ayr, 29/8/2013 12:32 Interesting! Where do you live??
'How are they allowed to settle in this country with not job or means of support'. Ask your LIEBOR party, they are the ones who signed up to this, not to mention the EU Human Rights Bill. 'Teflon' Tony's Legacy. You have noticed he DOESN'T live in this country now HE, screwed it up.
the only power in politics the working class has is the vote, remember this when it comes next.
These anti-welfare comments were written during working hours, which means the people commenting haven't got a job, or have got a job but have such a poor work ethic they would rather waste time surfing the net.
Why not make the process of signing onerous on the recipient with randomly generated appointments (via SMS) that requires a recipient to attend an interview within 60 mins, 3 non-shows and no benefits. We have to get tough with the process it is not an endless pit of money!
UKIP
man up someone sort this mess out !!!! it will only get worse ..... help Nigel help !
i could rant on but gets me het up worked since 15 and still wating for my pension
in germany you would not grant the citizenship if you ever claimed . all other europeans coutries only pay benefit for 6 months so why britain is different than the other EU. its not their (claimants ) fault if British like to handout generously and its not illegal so what is the big fuss about
I quiet fancy 10 days in 'others and unknown'........must pop down to the jobless centre and see what they can cobble together !!
Well underestimated, like all Government figures.... we need the money to Bomb Syria back to the stoneage.... Oh they want to live in stoneage, sorry
Read Richard Littlejohn's advice to John Redwood when he was after the leadership all those years ago.That would win ANY election.
And more and more are arriving..Meanwhile hospitals and A and E units are closing, takes two weeks to get an appointment to see a GP(outrageous!!), waiting at A and E is in excess of 5 hours and soon they will be closing, hospital car parking is ridiculously expensive....etc etc...and war is on the horizon....politicians and leaders have a lot to answer for....and the electorate keep voting them in again and again....I will vote UKIP.. They can't be any worse.
haha as an ex pat living in euroland im having a great life.Get paid lots of euros,no loony health and safety to boss me about(funny how only in england these people exist)my bin is emptied every 2 weeks,can go out for a civilized drink ,meet up with some workmates who, like me were not born here.Nobody whingin about the eu.Most ex pats i know are terrified that if britain leaves the eu they will have to return to england and a life of benefits.ps.and the nhs cant hold a candle to the great health care i receive here.
@PMC Incapacity Benefit is indeed means-tested, but it has been abolished and replaced by ESA, which can be contributory or non-contributory.
This government and the last have made a right mess, ruined our way of life, its disgusting what they have done to us, that is why from now own I will always vote UKIP
I wonder of I went to live on another country, lets say Spain...... Would I be entitled to any benefits or housing?! Hmmmm I'm thinking probably not!
As I know, all the people claimed for any kinds of benefits need to check them legal identity and qualify for the benefit system accepted, otherwise it will decline automatically. I think it's not right to criticize anyone or government, because the benefit system set up must be approved and followed by law legally.
It is staggering how this situation has been allowed to develop. This should be headline news, not risking further loss of British lives in areas that don't and will never want us and our form of democracy. Remove from the UK anyone who has entered the UK in the last 50 years and not paid in or cannot prove they have benefited the country in some meaningful way.
I wish I had never worked or paid tax or NI that's a bloody fact!
think all eyes will be on you mr farage to sort out the stupidity of the other 3 parties that have failed there country.
Look on the bright side. If every single one of them is on benefits, they can't be taking any of our jobs.
if you get more sitting home why work ?
Put private investigators in charge of looking for anyone working in the offices of these government departments helping the many get benefits that shouldn't even be in the country.
Yet my disable wife with 3 major back operations, living on a cocktail of drugs, who hasn't slept a full night for twenty years because of the pains gets not a penny even though she has worked since leaving school 35 years ago. What a sh*/te country.
athaidream , Don Mueang-Bangkok, 29/8/2013 11:51.....You can not blame Labour (it is still happening under the Conservatives) As hondonroy , alicante, Spain, 29/8/2013 11:57 points out neither can you blame the EU as Spain is in the EU and will not pay benefit to anyone who has not contributed to the System !
well if your govt keeps giving it like candy, it will be taken...like candy! I feel sorry for you Brits!
NOBODY should be allowed to come in from another country and claim UK benefits/taxes, no debate end of story.
Incapacity benefit is only payable to people who have been in work and paid their NI contributions. Same for contribution-related JSA. If they've worked and paid their stamps, they are as entitled as anyone else and it's not a "handout". Half the story as usual from the DM.
How come NON EU citizens get benefits?..seems to be a come one, come all get your free money here.
The truth is our Country is near bankrupt ,we do not have the money for this,but the political establishment is so far out of touch with reality as to be a danger to every Man/Woman/Child in our Country,the Con/Lab/Lib are unfit for purpose,the only hope left is UKIP.!!!
Thanks again Tony, for destroying this country. Your legacy ' to change the social structure of the country' lives on......how can you sleep at night?
surprise surprise, no sign of this story on the BBC!
How and why were they allowed to settle in this country if they have no job or means of support?
we would not get anything in their country, one day this country may be ruled by British people FOR British people instead of making us live by other countries rules that accommodate what seems like everyone except us .... and don't get me started on the joke that is called British Law....
and the government seems quite happy for this ROBBERY to continue.this and the tax avoidance from companies is destroying the living standards of the british because of the tax burden that only they pay . its a national disgrace and only UKIP will do anything to stop it.
the truth is out they are scroungers
Yawn. It's a lovely day. A nice pub lunch is called for. Wonder if that good-looking, polite, hard-working, always cheerful "newcomer" barmaid will be working today.
Surprise surprise!! We all knew this was coming but the government was in denial.
time to scrap all welfare payments
Why weren't we consulted.....its...OUR..bloody money they are giving away.
Personaly I think if you come to this country in any shape form or way you shouldn't be entiled to claime for the first at least four years, If you come here either have enough money to support yourself saved OR have a garantour in this country like Australia do , I also don't just mean beneifits I think this should apply to medical, school etc..
Really!! Well knock me down with a feather
can't wait to get to Britain with my 26 kids
Absolutely disgusting.
It depends what benefits we are talking about here - eg housing benefit, tax credits for working people and so on. After all only 3% of the total benefit bill goes on the full time unemployed. Most people who claim some form of benefits are actually in work, but low paid. And besides, there are very strict criteria for benefit entitlement. So: this is needless scaremongering, effectively propaganda.
The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win. - Steve Smith, bath, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:53 ------- Wrong Steve, the Tory voters are too stupid to realise that they will split the UKIP vote and let Labour win.
More good (not!!) and possibly related news: "Net migration to the UK increased in the year ending December 2012, the Office for National Statistics says.Latest figures show net migration rose to 176,000 - up from 153,000 people in the year to September 2012". --BBC News Online.
Vote UKIP.mnot going to post a comment I because DM never print itf freedom of speech is now gone.
I live in Spain and I can tell you that you CANNOT CLAIM ANY MONEY from the state if you have not got a job or you are incapacitated unless you have PAID INTO THE SYSTEM and that's a FACT.So all you MP'S get off your LAZY BACKSIDES do your job properly, keep out of the commons bars and EARN your keep or believe me you will REAP what you SOW at the next election if the BRITISH PUBLIC have got any B**LS.
On pay day I may as well just open my window, take most of my pay, and throw it outside.
Aren't 99.99% of Brits on benefits?
This is not your money Cameron! Its us tax payers
I hope those who voted LibLabCon aren't complaining
UKIP PLEASE end this madness. Clearly Cons and Leibor cant.
UKIP! UKIP! UKIP! There is no other way!!
DM, why is this not headline news? This should be on the front page of EVERY paper, not in page 5 etc. Come on DM lets get this debate in parliament going, lets get the politicians talking about this, and explaining to the british people what they are gonna do about it?
This is something more important that's needing sorted out, rather than trying to start up yet another war! Priorities?
Would all Labour voters please put their hands up and identify themselves as being the people top blame for this farcical situation. NO benefits until you have lived in the UK and paid tax and NI for at least 5 years,NO exceptions.
IfCameron can find the zip to get his warmongering camouflage off - - there is work to be done little fella. Get on with it or resign.
How politicians can sleep i don't know. This utter madness ha got to stop.....UKIP UKIP UKIP!
stop housing and free nhs and stop benefits to these scroungers,i resent my taxes paying these people
When I sponsored my husband for his spouse visa 13 years ago he got a great big stamp in his passport which said "NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS" and my son is presently sponsoring his wife for a spouse visa and he has to prove that he can support her and has suitable housing for her so she will not need to claim benefits (which she does not want to do anyhow) How come all these people can even get benefits?? Seems one rule for one and one for another...
TIME WE GOT OUT OF THE EU DONT YA THINK? STUPID IDEA GOING INTO THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. TONY BLAIR N HIS ILK HAVE A LOT TO ANSWER FOR THATS FOR SURE. THINK HE SHOULD PAY FOR ALL THESE ALIENS COMING INTO A COUNTRY THAT CAN ILL AFFORD BENEFITS FOR OUR OWN PENSIONERS ETC. TIME FOR A NEW GOVERNMENT AS WELL, VOTE UKIP, SEE HOW THEY GET ON, HOPEFULLY BETTER THAN CAMERHOLIDAYEVERYWEEKON.
I could never understand why countries were still lining up to join the EU when it seemed to be such a train wreck. Now it becomes crystal clear what the 'benefits' of membership are...........
And these people get exactly the most they can get because they have translators who know how the system works. A British person has to fill in the form their self so they get more then you as we have no one to help us who know how to work the system.
lib/lab/con not fit for purpose. time for change. vote DOPE Death Of Political Elite
stop all benefits for people who were not born here.
Makes me sick... Thats all
Nobody pay benfits just like that, you must prove you are resident. DM article is pure twaddle as usual.
I think we should give them even more money so they can buy houses/flats and then eventually find jobs, This is the only way the economy will grow.
Jamie Oliver has vacancies. Minimum wage and all the scraps you can eat. Non Britons preferred.
This I think you'll probably find is the real reason the welfare state is failing , time now for IDS to stop his one man crusade against the sick and disabled of the country and started addressing this problem instead.
so now the truth is out they come here to scrounge
Like that's a suprise?
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!! - GrahamC, Dorset, 29/8/2013 6:14... When people stop voting for CON/LAB/LIB idiots.. Only then do we stand a chance of saving this once Great Country.
Years ago you had to have paid into the system for at least one year to qualify for any benefit . My brother was ill and tried to claim because he couldn't work, mum was told that he was her responsibility as he didn't have enough stamps, she only received £4.50 a week widows pension - the rates on the house were £5.00 per week. So, how come these people can claim anyway .
"400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper.- Lisa , Rochdale, 29/8/2013 10:56">>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.............Lisa.......... I take it maths wasn't your strong suit in School? 400,000 people each receiving say £10,000 a year would be £4 billion. to quote you:-" Shame on you!"
If you or your parents haven't paid IN then you should get nothing OUT. End of.
And here is me struggling to pay childcare for my son. Unbelievable!
And Mr Carney says that interests rates wont rise until unemployment is at a sensible level well with millions coming here each year the you can say goodbye to any reasonale interest rates as the new comers are all unemployed thats why they get benefits.
VOTE UKIP
Lisa , Rochdale ........do your maths again , a billion these days is one thousand million. Just put a paltry three zeros on 400,000 and see what you get .
Time we had decent government, someone who will listen to the people, enough is enough. Politicians like Boris would bring loads more if he could. Totally mad!
hi,uk being sucked dry of every penny and when the eu dictators see us all standing up to their enforced undemocratic policies they will use force and knock our blocks off,you think thats far fetched look up the last paragraph signed up by that arch traitor brown,its all in the lisbon treaty folks,and the tories are no different are they,they have permission to send in their own security bully boys to make us toe the line,why did we lose so many brave men and women and their families sacrifice of loved ones in the 1st/ 2nd world wars for their efforts to be counted for nothing now,my heart is heavy with sorrow now - george , cornwall, 29/8/2013 10:55 ------ Sadly true my friend.
LEECHES, they have Contributed NOTHING, yet they expect EVERYTHING. VOTE UKIP and End this Madness.
Outrageous and should be addressed urgently. What right do these people think they have to funding by our own taxpayers. A total disgrace.
No surprises there then! It's all SO predictable. Mass migration on the scale allowed by Labour was bound to lead to this because UK benefits are SO generous and easily available. UKIP is the only answer now.....
One word - "OUTRAGEOUS!"
SORT THIS PROBLEM OUT-NOT SYRIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
simple vote UKIP these traitors will never get my vote again!
So our pensioners who have worked and dutifully paid their taxes will be surviving on a pittance whilst people with no ties to the country will receive benefits greater than our pensioners. Our once great and fair country has been destroyed by self serving traitorous politicians who do not give one jot for the people.
Until 3 years ago I was under the impression, along with millions of other women, that I would be receiving my state pension at 60. I must now wait until I am 66 despite the fact that at 60 I shall have 41 years of NI contributions. For a full state pension, 35 years is required. Why then, must people in my situation have to carry on for another 6 years to qualify? At this rate the workers will never get their pension as it will have all gone to the increasing numbers of people coming in.
If I were an employer I would have to pay a heavy penalty if they found out that I employed people with no right to work here, but by the same token my corporation tax has increased in order to support these people. It looks like either way an employer is always at a disadvantage.
Shut the gates now!!! and anyone who's moved here in the last 3 years - even those who've had families need to go back to their own country. It's the only solution.
I trust IDS will get to the bottom of this but we must back him.
So now we know where all the benefits are going.They say the British are benefit scroungers, here is proof.
We should ask all of them to help us fight wars see how quick they leave mate !!
@ Lisa, Rochdale... each person will be being paid 2,500 (Not 480,000) a year for it to be 1 billion ... where did you go to school?
how about giving them the same benefits they would recieve from their own country, and 'claim' from the said country. When one complains, you can argue that they ae not being persecuted in this country!
I find it rather difficult to believe these figures reason being, to the best of my knowledge, you'll need to have an indefinite stay to claim whatever benefits. Otherwise, your visa clearly states 'No recourse to public funds'. So how do these ones get these said benefits they aren't entitled to? I was on maternity leave for 9 months and didn't collect a penny from the government. Simply because my visa says no recourse to public funds ! I have NEVER claimed a dime from whatever source either cos I know I'm not entitled to them. So where do all these come from? How do pple who aren't eligible get them? I think you lot should be asking the authority some real questions. Sorry for the long post.
People voted for Politicians, but please do the right choice again voting with your eyes open widely!
I thought they were all hard working, more so than people in the UK apparently (according to the DM and it's majority readership) and were prepared to do any job for peanuts that was being refused by the British? Don't believe the media people, we all know the truth, we can see it for ourselves because there are thousands of them hanging about in city centres all day long.
VOTE UKIP!!!!!!!!!
I understand people who live within the EU can claim benefits, but why are people from the rest of the world? I thought if you were outside the EU then you could not claim benefits? THAT is outrageous.
@ Lisa, Rochdale... each person will be being paid 2,500 a year for it to be 1 billion... where did you go to school?
This is the real problem, not civil servants who contribute getting a half decent pension after working for over 45 years.
SEND ALL OF THEM TO JAMIE OLIVER HE WILL GIVE THEM A JOB, PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!
Thanks Tony Blair.
I think the handful of people who actually go out to work in the UK should group together and leave the UK for 5 years. During this time the benefits will dry up completely as will the dole dossers main food sources, ie McDonalds and supermarket ready meals. We can then come back and start a fresh, building an enormous fence along the full length of our southern border to stop any more beggars coming in and trying to milk us dry.
Welcome to the U.K. the dustbin of Europe EU send all your crap here we love them.
Given their privileged upbringings, our govt members should take advice from us. They have no idea what to do and no experience of life on low wages, etc. I like your ideas Mark R. Whatever is done, it has to be seen to be fair across all inhabitants of the UK. I'd also go so far as to suggest removing a lot of cash benefits payments from people deemed able to work, but who choose not to. There should be a different name for JSA for people who've lost their jobs (which they were in for a specific amount of time - not days) and they could receive cash benefits for a specific time period, while they look for more work. But, others who've not contributed to UK and choose the benefits lifestyle, well they should be on a scheme that involves other methods of receiving support, e.g. JSS (Job Seeker's Support): help with accommodation, clothes and food parcels, etc. Ppl on high long term benefits, including WFTC often have the same or more than a lot of average (or close to) wage earners.
Awesome, just awesome... That's all!!
In America this is an industry, taxpayers, those that actually have real jobs and pay real taxes are so broke they can barely afford toliet paper. But not so for the illegals flocking here to strike it rich at the government teat. And these are the new democrat voters.
This is no surprise, as normal people have seen this going on for years, why do you think they still keep coming in to our country. And more will still be coming. We are the tax payer paying for these parasites, what do we do? nothing. And I am one of them. I am so annoyed as to what's happening to my country, I just wish we proper English people got together, and stop this madness happening.
My father is 64 and has worked all his life until a couple of years ago when he took early retirement due to severe arthritis, he lives off his private pension yet he had to go to a meeting recently to explain why he wasn't contributing to society, this is because his NI contributions are being paid for him even though he has worked more than his 30 yrs worth, unbelievable, they seem to go after the wrong people
Sort this lot out now and get tough they are not here for the weather !!! this country has become a joke the trouble is and I quote "I am not laughing "
The government could do something about it if they wanted to but they don't. Remember, Cameron is the self-proclaimed (or rather self-confessed) heir to BLiar, whose government's aim was to bring this country down. Nobody could be so inept or stupid as to do what they've been doing to the country over such a long period without it being their intention.
Really???? Who'd have thought it?????!!!!! ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!
Is that why British people won't get a state pension until they are over sixty seven if born after 1953. I have worked and studied and paid for for a degree whilst I worked and now I will be forced to toil until I am dropping, ditto everyone else. What do we do if we lose our job, sign on the dole at sixty five?
Not long before the whole pack of cards come tumbling down, any British taxpayer should be very concerned about this figure, this is unsustainable in the extreme.
And it will just go on Benefits to all who enter, this bunch of millionaires running the Country don't seem to care about our own people having to struggle making ends meet as long as they can set their own pay rises and claim expenses, about time they started looking after their own before throwing taxpayers money away. How much will they claim for having to return to the house to vote on war,you bet your life it will be in the thousands,and that is why they don't worry about giving benefits away to others,they have got their own money pot to dip into when they want,its a joke or should i say a disgrace they way the country is being run.
And the elderly people of this country who have worked all their lives are put on the Liverpool Death pathway . Something very wrong with this so called Christian country that is killing it own people off when they get to a certain age and need hospital treatment.
Make sure all forms are in English and no other languages. In France all paperwork has to be completed in French not the language of your choice! Why are we so daft?
- theenglishpatient , london, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 10:37 Couldnt have put it better myself!
Britains welfare system is unsustainable. Something has got to give at some point. Maybe this is part of the master plan. Allowing anybody who turns up on our door step access to our welfare system has no basis in logic Therefore, politicians must have some intelligence, I think its back to the pre 1940's for Britain.
What happened to all the comments between 6.20 and 10.26 ?
400,000 are costing billions? I have done the maths and that would mean even if it was only one billion, each claimant would receive over £480,000 each year. More scare mongering and rabble rousing DM,? Shame on you! Bet this doesn't get published because woe betide anybody who tells the truth in this paper.
hi,uk being sucked dry of every penny and when the eu dictators see us all standing up to their enforced undemocratic policies they will use force and knock our blocks off,you think thats far fetched look up the last paragraph signed up by that arch traitor brown,its all in the lisbon treaty folks,and the tories are no different are they,they have permission to send in their own security bully boys to make us toe the line,why did we lose so many brave men and women and their families sacrifice of loved ones in the 1st/ 2nd world wars for their efforts to be counted for nothing now,my heart is heavy with sorrow now
get rid then simple as that
I've worked for nearly 40yrs, and have been on the sick for 6 months and they have said I'm entitled to £1:52 a week because my partner earns £100 a week. Then they throw money at people who have never paid a penny into the system. I've paid in all my life and get nothing, , it's all wrong you should have to pay in before you take out.
Thanks to blair /brown we,re going to be paying the price for a long time.
Interesting people from outside the EU claiming benefits outnumber EU members by at least two to one, makes a mockery of those people claiming that it is the EU that is pushing the benefits bill through the roof.
Should not all the middles eastern men of fighting age be going back to fight for their countries.....or will they just leave it to us as usual?
And my Father of 96 and he was a rear gunner in the war, can't even get anything free. Why are we taking this?
Why on earth are people from these countries entitled to benefits from our Government?! British people who are born and bred here are demonised for having to resort to benefits when they fall on hard times, yet people from as far a field as Asia are entitled. This stinks.
I work my ass of for nothing the government takes if me to give to these lazy layabouts!! Joke
This is bad!!
We as a nation of incredible privilege have a duty of care to protect these people. Whatever happened to defending the underdog? Grow a pair Britain.
"The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win.- Steve Smith, bath, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 9:53"..............No. Most realise that but they are principled people who will vote for what they think best for the country come what may. Unlike the greedy, grasping and usually useless Labour voters who vote Labour as Labour have stuffed their mouths with money stolen from the pay packets of others.
You couldn't make it up, could you especially when we get b.u.g.g.e.r all abroad. What a country - what a mess
After watching the benefit program on tv the government should go back to the methods they used in 1949
Come on Tories. Make claiming benefits not pay. Less than minimum wage, no housing benefit, cap child benefit at 2.
Check all their paper work i expect it is all fake, they change their names and address daily, trust me.
How can the UK and the EU justify paying billions in benefits to foreigners who have never paid a penny into the UK system, yet stop state pension increases to those of us that choose to live abroad. Despite the fact I for one have paid in for the maximum national Insurance, we are not asking for anything we have not earned. All we want is what we are due and is legally ours. The UK should look after it's own people first, above all others.
Get us out of the EU. Then we can stop all this nonsense. - Sandy Brown , London, 29/8/2013 10:09 Asia and Africa are not part of the EU
I don't understand something. When I had to apply for benefits help after a bout of illness left me out of a job, I had to prove that I had paid 2yrs of National Insurance, and it wasn't for this year but from 2009 and 2010. I was told I hadn;t, which wasn't true because I'd paid 20years of it, and only after a very nice man at the NI office helped me I was awarded this benefit.. So how if I a British born citizen with 20yrs of National Insurance payments was given the run around, how can these migrants, whether legal or not, get benefits? Why is it one rule for them and another for us? These people should not be here unless they are working. No-one minds someone getting a bit of extra help when needed to anyone, but if the Government is making getting benefits so much easier for migrants is it no wonder we are becoming the cesspit of Europe. If a UK resident born and bred has to prove their ability to work and pay into the pot, why aren't they?
stop both invasions cam ,if you have the balls
Today the foreigners are scroungers and tomorrow they will be stealing our jobs. Which is it?
Meanwhile my son has failed to get his C grade at English, but I notice that all those from the minorities have. In the back if every college prospectus there are offers of financial assistance to those from overseas. Well this 40% taxpayer IS LEAVING!
Four years under the Tory-Liberal coalition, you will note.
How can they check these applications for fraud? Do they check whether these people have money in the bank or property back home? Do they have foolproof identity checks and a way to check that they don't claim at more than one office? This means the eventual inevitable end of the British welfare system but this must have been the politicians' plan from the outset as it was entirely predictable.
No job or prospects = no entry! Simples!!!!!
UKIP - There is NO alternative. UKIP is the only party capable and willing to make a start on restructuring the absurdity of British taxpayers funding the rest of the world's freeloaders - which is what they are.
Wake up Camoron, Calamity Clegg & Millipede. This is a national disgrace and highlights the true cost of surrendering our sovereignty and left unchecked will lead to an exodus of skilled English people seeking a better, safer life abroad. What will we be left with; the illiterate, indolent, indigent detritus from every corner of the world and an unemployable, feral underclass.
<3vote UKIP<3
Is anyone surprised by these figures? When I started work I was to receive my pension at 60 at the moment it will be at 67 but it will probably change again by the time I get close to 67. If we didn't pay out all these billions to these scroungers perhaps the people who pay into the system could get their pensions at a reasonable age.
At this rate we will be having the same problem as Syria here in the UK...............
If they haven't put anything in the pot they shouldn't be allowed to take anything out!! It's disgusting!!
The simple answer is that any entitlement to UK benefits should be earned by paying in Tax and NI (with separate regulations for our school leavers) and that entitlement would have to be maintained by still paying Tax and NI in a certain proportion of years onvce teh initial credit has been established. 5 years of contributing to even start receiving benefits beyond genuine emergency medical treatment and education for children. EU citizens would get the lower of what they received in their home country or here until they have established sufficient tax and NI credits - but over a shorter period. Benefits would include social housing/rent allowances and Child Allowance and Job Seekers benefit would only go to thsioe made redundant from a permanent job, not to anyone here on a short term contract. Simple changes - could be put through Parliament in a few weeks and implemented ina year or less gradually being extended to people who have been here for longer.
And in the mean time True Brits like pensioners are being killed off!
And how many of them are also getting Child benefits, pensions, housing and help with council tax. Not only do we hand it out by the bucket load, we also make it nice and easy by printing every form in about 58 different languages and supply interpreters. We really are THE most stupid collection of countries in the world.
UK has to STOP paying any welfare to foreigners. If they haven't got the money to live here then they shouldn't be allowed in or if they are here a one way ticket out. The way the government allow our money to be given away like this is criminal andsome one should be made to answer.
Qualifications for claiming benefits in Britain ----Never Ever Pay IN , if you work all your life or you are disabled expect to be penalised when you need help
These people will all require pensions eventually. The consequences will be devastating.
Don't you just love our Country.....these leeches do not want to be here...they do not like the indigenous population, the only thing they want is on the gravy train....with us hardworking mugs paying for their journey....but hey...we're so multi-cultural ain't we?.....I could weep in frustration and anger!!!!!!!
So are these the lazy people who want work or are they just our people?
We all know this, it has been going on for years. Those who have contributed to the system all their working lives are the ones paying for this and struggling themselves a a result. It is down to the One World Agenda do not believe what you are fed through the mainstream media and dig deeper.
Do you think if the wars stop. (lotting foreigners countries wealth), destroying foreigners infrastructure and own livelihoods then DM would really have no story headling "foreigners" would you DM? another dose of daily prejudice.
I am an african immigrant....it states clearly on my visa and all other african immigrants visas " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUNDS".....how then are they collecting all these benefits??/...should you be looking at the incompetent lot handing out these benefits? because i am sick of paying £1000 on tax and NI a menoth...i could do with a tax free month per calendar month. Also DM...I will like to see an article on the extortionate fees that african immigrants have to pay £1800 to renew highly skilled migrant visas every 2-3 years.....of course that will be a true and fair view article so it won't be wort your while....propaganda sells so thats all we read lately. I do not believe the figure on bit!!!!!!
wouldnt surprise if it was much higher
Wait until January 2014 you have not seen any thing yet, thousands of Romanians will arrive, bombing Syria is more important, to our goverment.
We have no duty to look after free loaders. Benefits should be reserved for citizens. Germany manages to do it, why can't we? I seen Spanish move here because they only receive 6 months benefits in Spain, where we will support them for life. They never have worked here or paid taxes. But yet we provide the with a place to live, food, spending money and all they do is laugh at us.
I'm glad that we are looking after these honorable people. Good luck to them!
5.88 million benefit claimants in the uk, out of which 400,000 are foreigners,the rest are britons....do the maths people.
To BritishFirst in Brisbane -I think you will find it is NOT Thatcher's legacy that we are handing out the hard-working taxpayers money to people that have never paid into the system, it is good old Bliar's legacy and 'dream' of a multi cultural Britian. Its bad enough that my taxes are being spent on a generation of 'I deserve it even though I've done buggar all to earn it' who are bringing their feral offspring into the world. To then have to support thousands who have come into my country and are able to claim more in benefits than I do working 40 hours a week truly makes me despair. Britain cannot continue like this and my once great country is rapidly becoming an international laughing stock as well as a cesspit for all the dross other countries don't want.Cameron, before you & Obama start sticking your noses into where they are not wanted, try looking closer to home & start trying to sort out the mess your countries have become. Rant over!
Correction. Singapore has the third highest GDP per head.
In the next life I want to be a seagull I feed up with being dumped on by all these scroungers
@simon kirby What's the 'whole story' then? The only thing they've left out is the numbers claiming bnefits other than JSA, which must be enormous because wages are so low in Britain now.
Can't they all work for Jamie or all they too lazy?
To BritishFirst in Brisbane -I think you will find it is NOT Thatcher's legacy that we are handing out the hard-working taxpayers money to people that have never paid into the system, it is good old Bliar's legacy and 'dream' of a multi cultural Britian. Its bad enough that my taxes are being spent on a generation of 'I deserve it even though I've done buggar all to earn it' who are bringing their feral offspring into the world. To then have to support thousands who have come into my country and are able to claim more in benefits than I do working 40 hours a week truly makes me despair. Britain cannot continue like this and my once great country is rapidly becoming an international laughing stock as well as a cesspit for all the dross other countries don't want.Cameron, before you & Obama start sticking your noses into where they are not wanted, try looking closer to home & start trying to sort out the mess your countries have become.
Thanks for nothing Liebour.
Sick , sick, sick to the back teeth of working all the hours god sends so my taxes can pay for people who DON'T even originate from here this government is a shambles pure and simple !!!!!!!!
And what, may I ask, did they expect???? These people come here for low wages which we then, very generously, top up for them!!! They don't pay tax because they don't earn enough so how do they contribute anything to our country. You can't blame them, if we are stupid enough to give them all these benefits ..................
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 2:35............................ EVEN AMERICANS ARE ON BENEFITS LIST HERE.....why pick on only africa out of the whole lot....i guess we all know why!!!
PANIC ATTACK!
And we wonder why the country's going to the dogs?!
Benefits are for the unemployed and the disabled BRITISH population ie. the deserving poor. Not for people who choose not to work and definitely not for foreign people!! If they are going to give out benefits to foreign people, they should have to work in the UK and pay into the system for at least ten years. If they don't like it, they should go back home to wherever they came from!!
we are just setting them up for a great future
But our leaders said kicking out all the highly skilled American/Canadian/Australian workers with MA,MS, and JD degrees would stop all of this.
Arghhhhhhhhhhhh, this just makes me so mad, why are we funding them? They get free courses, free housing, free everything, yet none born here, most having paid taxes do. All wrong, Britain needs to stand up and be counted, all of us.
I have worked from the age of 15 then 7 years ago I got vaccination damage on the NHS which means I cannot now work, so what do the government do stop my benefits, I have paid into the system, they have not, something is very wrong with this country,
Every study shows that EU nationals in UK are far less likely to be claiming benefits than UK nationals and that their contribution to the Exchequer in the form of taxes and NI payments far exceeds what they take out. These figures themselves show that around three out of four non-UK nationals claiming out of work benefits are from outside the EU. At least 1.4m Brits live in other EU countries and have the same entitlements as EU citizens living here.Those entitlements do not in either case include turning up in another Member State and claiming out of work benefits without being genuinely resident, which in most cases means having worked and paid taxes in the relevant country. EU migrants who cannot demonstrate established residence - usually through a substantial working record or being a direct family member of someone with such a record - and cannot prove they can support themselves can under EU law be removed.
Day after day the proof arrives that the government, well any UK government actually, can't run any organization and especially ones that handle our tax and NI money, either handing it out in benefits or buying goods and services from the private sector for those organizations to use for our benefit, on the procurement front they don't seem to have understood what most people do that bulk buying is cheaper than each government department buying small amounts individually.
Well at-least we can spend all the money we saved in Syria & on the HS2 project...... who's doing the fiances Micky mouse..
This truly is atrocious. When is the government going to wake up to the indiscriminate leeching of our hard-earned income by immigrants. UK out of EU NOW !!!!
Screw Syria - sort out this mess first. Questions: 1 How much will our involvement in Syria cost in terms of number of hospitals funded for one year ? 2.What do we hope to get out of an involvement in it for the UK ? 3. How many people will get killed - both allies and Syrians? 4 Tony Blair - will you send YOUR son in to battle first ? 5. How long will it drag out for ? 6.Will anyone thank us for our involvement ?
As long as our feeble Government are going to give them free hand outs they will keep on coming through our ever open borders..There is nothing you or i can do about it so get used to it..And the politicians of this Country could not care less, as long as they live in luxury, and live in their mansions payed for by the taxpayers..
This country is a sewer.
It's absolutely STAGGERING how our politicians just can't grasp what the average person on the street can. This country is completely ruined...... I feel to angry and bitter that so many servicemen sacrifed their lives to protect our borders yet our politicians have freely allowed our country to be overrun and effectively thrown to the dogs. Absolutely disgusting and deeply offensive to their sacrifices
Brilliant, makes me feel proud to be English... :(
disgusting country.....................
I think this is all by design. You simply wouldn't allow this massive influx of immigrants into a country by mistake. The politicians know what is happening and I believe we are part of some kind of twisted social experiment to bring folk to their knees. It's apparently working.
go back to your own country.
In reply to - Steve UK taxpayer , hope not EU much longer, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 09:54 Another great thing about the UKIP voter is that they don't understand what their policies are or mean...UKIP is an ultra right conservative party that will try to stop healing the world's sick for free, stop benefits for all the unemployed and sick people, stop or reduce tax on jobs - the NI contributions and the UK will be a whole lot worse off. Yes stop the abuse but to suggest UKIP as a minority party is the solution to the problem is crass.
And what about second, third and forth wives claiming single parents benefits.
There's no question, the government has to put a stop to the continuing tide of immigration before it's too late, my biggest fear is that it's already too late. Next is an unknown number of Romanians and Bulgarians heading our way, after that, an influx of Syrians probably?
While the disabled are having benefits cut,people who are on benefits having to pay bed room tax,no help to get people back in to work(what did happen to the run on of benefits that we were meant to have when this party was wanting our vote) but lets give anyone who enters the country as much benefits as they want.
Kick the lot out.
In the meantime, the government are considering even more cuts on pensioners and disabled people , many of whom have paid Nat. Ins , tax etc all their working lives , yet we're giving foreigners ( and their extended families ) access to UK benefits without putting a penny into the ''pot'' !
"they did not include other benefits for which most Eastern Europeans, being low paid, would qualify".... Sir Andrew is right, most 'benefits' are paid to people in work (working tax credits and housing / child benefit). Until Britain exits the EU, corporate shareholders and private landlords will continue to pick the pockets of hard working tax payers. As long as Britain has low pay and rising immigration / house prices, the debt crisis cannot be resolved. Membership of the EU is a disaster for Britain.
What was that you were saying yesterday Jamie Oliver?
This is one of the main issues that is going to wipe out the Conservative party at the next election . They put their fingers in their ears and go la la la la if the subject of immigration is mentioned . Well I think the general public has had enough and UKIP is going to split the Tory vote apart . Then Labour will stroll into power by default with barely a policy to their name . Time for a complete re launch of the Conservative party , or is that already happening with UKIP ?
DM please post my important comments
Nothing new here, thats why they cross many countries to land on our shores. Just stop all benefits until they have paid into our system for a minimum of 5 years. Work permits should only be given to other EU migrants for two years at a time. Thats what Greece is doing with Russians, at least you have some control then.
Welcome to Benefits Britain. Free housing,health care and ash fr all immigrants,legal or otherwise. Come and fill our boots.thats the reality of this mad house we live in, governed by no hopers.
British benefits for British benefit scroungers!
This is an absolute disgrace especially when the pensioners have to live on a paltry pension and if you saved and have a private pension you are TAXED to the hilt! Instead of giving to immigrants you should be looking after the BRITISH people who have worked hard all of their lives and also the real disabled people who would love to work but can't or simply can't find work. If I knew then what I knew now I would not have worked and saved or bought a house. It is about time we had a GOVERNMENT that was there for the BRITISH HARD WORKING folk and not for other nations. People are fed up with it so they may have riots on the streets of BRITIAN soon.
UKIP to sort this once and for all!
two words........NIGEL FARAGE
I just don't get why more immigrants are going to be allowed to enter this country when the hospitals just can't cope anymore. Bloody Cameron and the stupid government. This won't be Britain much longer.
Leon, think back & read the history, I believe you will find your statement is false
that social enrichment i keep hearing about , i will retire at 70 because their is no money in the pot , the only people to blame are the people who run this country , they are the biggest threat of all to the British people ,
All you people complaining about this sound like really insensitive people. Don't you know how tough life is for people in places like Poland or Romania or France? I think it is good that we get to spread a bit of the enormous wealth this country has via the benefits system with these poor people!! We should extend it!
If any thing legal I don't really mind in fact no one can do any thing -simple
Get us out of the EU. Then we can stop all this nonsense.
And not one of them is breaking the law. As much as I think it is outrageous they are simply claiming what our system allows them to claim. Change the rules if we don't like it to stop them claiming. It's our benefits system that allows this to happen. It needs to change or it will crash from too many taking out and not nearly enough putting in.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 2:35...................Why is it only the African statistic you picked out of the whole lot?.....those green arrowing you have not stopped to use some common sense on your comments.....130,000 africans in the uk????.....there you go....alll blinded by the hate for africans as usual!!!!
Points based immigration system, problem solved.
Why the outrage? Thats exactly what the government advocated
Built by Blair maintained by Cameron. UKIP.
The amount claimed though would only keep a small number of career British benefit scroungers over their lifetimes..
No worries: that's the British way. We are teaching the rest of the world how to live (even if we have to bomb them into submission). But just try selling this to countries like Singapore (a former colony which now has the third highest GDP in the world).
This is stupid why complain when we opened our borders and asked for this. Its like a healthy person running after HIV.
just playing devils advocate here, this isn't a personal statement just a thought that has come to mind. Of the 400,000 claiming hand outs. Are they cancelled out by the foreign workers here that are paying tax. Ie for every pound the government gets from a foreign worker, are we paying out more or less than that to foreigner benefit claims? We might actually be profiting from foreigners being here. Before I get red arrowed and people jumping down my throat this is purely something that just occurred to me like a business deal. Giving away benefits to some and allowing people in, might work almost like a loss leader where we get far more back from the hundreds of thousands or even millions of professional foreign tax payers living in the UK. Anyone know the stats or are we just focussing on the ones taking?
Oh look, another biased twisted DM story about immigrants. Why don't you print all the facts DM? Oh, I see, that would not suit your agenda. Well, I'm glad we are all clear on that.
WE CAN ONLY CALL THIS TREASON.
No worries: that's the British way. We are teaching the rest of the world how to live (even if we have to bomb them into submission). But just try selling this to countries like Singapore (a former colony which now has the third highest GDP in the world).
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes. - Troy, London, 29/8/2013 9:27=================Are you on benefits? Raise taxes?!! There is hardly any money left after paying taxes as it is!!! What duty do we have to these people. We have absolutely none. THEY SHOULD NOT BE OUR PROBLEM.
You ain't seen nothing yet....wait until next year! The bubble is growing, and one day it'll burst, as the British people will only take so much.
If we didn't have to put up with enforced immigration, then the majority of us would be in work and there would be no burden on the welfare state, so why has this been allowed to happen?
Why is is up to us to pay their benefits? Surely like pensions the country of origin should pay them.
Nobody is listening to us!
Is anyone surprised?
'..More fool you! Realising 34-years ago I couldn't beat the system without breaking the law, I moved to the Canary Islands. Everything was wonderful until the peseta was swapped for the euro and the economy went into decline. After 22-years in Spain, I'm now in Thailand five years before Spain went belly up, well away from the EU bureaucrats, the nincompoops of the UK and US governments and with less corruption here than is alleged in Whitehall and Washington, Threadneedle Street or Wall Street. No foreigner or even a fellow Brit gets my money unless I approve it by giving it to them myself, which I do regularly. It's nice to be in control of one's hard-earned cash. A luxury few in the West ever experience or get to enjoy. Just imagine earning £1,000 and keeping £1,000, not £600 or less and then having a further 20% taken off you in VAT...And although I don't smoke but I drive, what you pay for cigarettes and petrol is criminal. The bandits in Parliament should be wearing a mask.'
this is all down to Blair and the rest of his labour cronies
IDS where are you ,lets hear it for the failed priminister in charge of benefits,blaming workshy brits,it was never us it was them.ADDRESS IMMIGRATION.
Just scrap most of the benefits and retain just the old age pension; yes, no more disability benefits, you just go into a home and be looked after.No more job seekers allowance;if you want cash do odd jobs like knocking on doors and ask for chores to do.This country is a laughing stock to countries without a welfare system.
Anothe EU cost to this country. The policy should be a carrot and stick approach to the millions of economically inactive Britons. I know many who have no self belief and no confidence. Many who are just malingerers. But the government is abdicating its responsibility by seeing unselective mass immigration as any kind of solution. We need inspired leadership and charisma. Anyone seen a politician recently with those qualities? One whose first move is to get us out if the EU straight jacket which will give us the freedom to do what suits our economy rather than Bulgaria's or Rumania's.
There's nothing wrong with migration, when people leave their homelands to work or study in a different country and perhaps live there permanently if they want to. Plenty of Brits go overseas to do the same. However, immigrants should NOT receive any benefits and they should try and integrate with the local culture as much as possible. I'm saying this as an immigrant myself, from Eastern Europe . My husband's British-born, we don't get any benefits (not even tax credits or child benefit) and our only child is being brought up culturally 100% British. I cringe when I read these stories because they make me feel ashamed of my background and I always feel self-conscious when people ask where I am from.
Que'lle surprise! Not.
Cameron ought to usefully spend his time getting his own country on a stable path rather than mess about with other countries far from home. This ridiculous and unaffordable nonsense must be stopped.
This article and the excellent comments have Struck Me Dumb!
Please can someone in this spineless Government have courage to sort out the immigration problem once and for all! We cannot afford to pay out benefits and income support to anyone who does not contribute anything to our economy. Our infrastructure is overloaded, and everything seems to be loaded in favour of immigrants. Sort this out, and there will be no need whatsoever to build over green fields which should be used for the production of food, not housing.
Why not, you can come here illegally or legally and be housed, fed and clothed with money for fags and booze and not have to lift a finger. We have allowed our governments do set this up.
Arrrrggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
So basically you have 400,000 squatters living in your basement and you're looking after their every need. Sorry, but you are idiots for electing leaders who allow this to happen. The mind boggles...
WELL DONE TONY AND THE LABOUR PARTY see what misery you have caused a social experiment that has FAILED big style
We need someone tough running this country now, someone like Maggie again, she wouldn't mess about, she wouldn't have let them all in, I want someone who will start kicking them out, am sick of having British people move aside for foreigners, sick of British people been brushed under the carpet by the politicians so that they can have cheap foreign labour. Well no more, I am never going to vote for the 3 main parties ever again and if it means voting for some one extreme to bring Britain back, then so be it
They are trying to stop our winter fuel allowance for people living abroad who have paid taxes all their working lives. An English language paper here in France has listed the countries at risk of losing this allowance, France is on the list - Italy is not. It is considered colder than France. The people who decided this have not been in France in winter. I know I will get red arrowed for this but as I am on the reduced pension I need it. The cost works out for me at less than £2.00 per week.
That is Britain today - we heal the world's sick for free and provide funds for all the world's unemployable people to live in luxurious idleness. But things will change when the main 3 parties are thrown out - UKIP will start the change next election.
Australia gets really really bad press on how it deals wth their asylum seekers! But everyone knows there not a soft touch but it Britain well were just way too polite to upset anyone,get a backbone and kick em out. !
The EU and Blair have destroyed this Country - and they haven't finished with it yet either.
satisfied Blair - colin , Selby, 29/8/2013 09:34 --> Much as I detest Blair, this increase has happened mostly on Dave's watch, aided and abetted by Clegg.
Goodbye Great Britain , This is the start of the end of our wonderful country.. GET US OUT OF THE EU!! Before there is nothing left. No places at the schools and the end the wonderful NHS.. Services stretched to the brink of breaking point!!
Dave youve been told time and time again by the vast majority of the British public but you havent been listening so i will tell you again -SHUT THE BLOODY DOORS !!!!!
The great thing about UKIP voters is that they're too dumb to realize voting UKIP will split the Tory vote, and Labour will win.
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid .. - toothpick4649, Adelaide, Australia, 29/8/2013 5:45 Click to rate Rating 42 .......Easy to explain, mate. We keep voting for the same gutless wonders every general election and expect them to stand by their promises - which never happens. All they do is bend over and lift their shirt tails every time the EU spouts a 'directive'. Having watched them fail our people time and time again, and watched our country descend into a multi cultural cess pit, ruled by our natural enemies in Europe, it beats me why people vote for any of the current crop of political disasters we currently have to tolerate. I wish I'd moved to Australia when I was a young man with a trade. It saddens me when I see what Britain has become - all caused by a few politically correct, treacherous rat bags in Parliament.
Who is the fool here? It's not the government and It's not the foreigners It's the taxpayers!!!!! Until you down tools and demand changes, nothing will change. Look at what happened when they put the price of fuel up, people protested and got the fuel price down. Now we just roll over and die, everything has gone up, the place is falling to bits and all we do is moan about it and expect a greedy corrupt organization to fix it. It's like when a child dies from drugs or guns or the internet trolls, Only then do those parents decide to act and they ask for change. You are all living in your own bubble and won't do anything until it effects YOU.
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On a per capita basis, foreigners pay more in tax than those born here. More DM xenophobia believed by the gullible and racist.
cant support yourself? cant come here then. Simple
Cameron wont deal with anything he cannot be bothered with our country he wants to fight for other countries. All these immigrants will most likely unemployed so thing before you blame all the unemployed for not looking for work, we also let foreigners take our jobs so some people who want jobs cannot get them. I still cannot believe people get working/child tax credits when you have a job, Ive never ever claimed for them in my life, but these all should be stopped.
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!-- When the cowardly, idiot electorate of Britain stops voting for them. Until then, they have no reason to act. Why should they? Sheep deserve to be fleeced. The choice could not be simpler. Either you vote nationalist, or you vote for more of this.
Britain is the welfare supermarket to the world and of course will attract so much dross as they observe our failed Border Agency which facilitates entry to the country. Cameron should for once in his premiership concentrate on getting just one aspect of his policy right and stop playing to minorities and whatever Samantha whispers in his ear.
I wish the DM will tell the whole story........
One word : traitors .
'Take a page out of Australia & New Zealand make it harder for them to get in and if they do have a stand down period of say 2 yrs.'- Dbarr347 , auckland, ...toDbarr in Auckland, that's the reason so many here are frustrated, we can't implement a 2 year stand-down period (or similar policy) because the UK's hands are tied by what the EU says, which is why we have this huge influx of people and subsequent massive payments to them.
Here we go, fan the flames of hatred DM. No statistic on the white underclass claiming?
They all come to the U.K,,,,,,,,,,,Would they be prepared to fight and protect this country if they were called up for duty?????They would fleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee the U.K in a heart beat
I am a foreigner. I have paid for 8 years my taxes and my contributions to this society. Why shouldn't I get benefits when I need them? Do you think I give away part of my money for you, Britons, and not for me? Get a grip.
Sick! Glad I'm not contributing to this anymore.
What a mess!
This just cannot go on, there should be mass protests ( peaceful ones) in every town and city until the government gets the message that we are not happy about this. UKIP next time, it's the only way.
What a disgrace when our elderly have to pay extortionate amounts to be looked after in care homes. There couldn't be a stronger case for voting U.K.I.P.
Turf them out, I am quite sure that if I went to an EU country I would not get any benefits, housing or financial help so why can they come here and get it! It has got beyond a joke, they land in by themselves then within a short space of time there is a whole family of 10! I am sick and tired of my taxes being used to fund these people. Plus the majority of them are getting tied up in crime against the foolish people who work to keep them!
Why can other European countries refuse benefit pay outs to people who have not contributed to their coffers, yet we are falling over ourselves to give immigrants a free ride if they want it.
PLEASE have a look at the UKIP website for COMMON SENSE POLICY'S. Nigel Farage has the right idea! GET OUT OF THE EU! Get control of our borders laws and way of life! Run the UK for the BRITISH 1st! SHUT the doors for 5 years! Sort this appalling mess out then run immigration like the Aussies! Sounds good to me, if it sounds good to you then you must vote UKIP! They are the ONLY party that put the British FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those that do come here and find a job only work for a short period of time. Once they qualify for benefits they give up work and start claiming. Not all of them, but most of them. The EU only introduced the law about free movement of labour because they knew most of the undesirables would come to the UK or Germany. Members of all parties KNOW this is going on. The fact that they do nothing speaks volumes.
a benifit ? and enriching our country all at the same time WHY THEN IS EVERY THING FALLING APART ?
Cutbacks in the NHS, in schools, in care for the elderly, in the armed forces and so on is because Britain is giving free money to people who should not have it.
I thought as a condition of you being able to live here was that you were able to support yourself financially, at least I thought that's what the UK border agency says, why is this country such a doormat?
in the old days foreigners came to a country and worked their butt off and made the country better,now they are adding to its problems and im disgusted,maybe go back and fix your own country?
Can some one please explain how so many non EU immigrants can claim benefits? The system supposedly works on the basis that immigrants have to reside in the UK for five years, then only can they apply for permanent residence, after a further year apply for British citizenship. As the UKBA presently takes some ten months to process these applications (disgraceful but another example of incompetence) this extends the process to some seven years. So please be fair to those immigrants who do follow the rules, work hard, contribute by paying tax until they are granted citizenship and quite possibly never claim benefits! How many of these 'immigrants' are asylum seekers or among the backlog of thousands in the so called "Temporary and Permanent Migration Pool". DM this sort of article causes friction and whilst these figures are quite an eye opener, perhaps a little more research and clarification of just who these benefit claimants are would be a good idea.
I think the point that is not clear in this article at all, is how many of those who are claiming any kinds of benefits have actually worked and paid tax/NI in this country before claiming. I live and work in Germany. I have been in full employment here for many years. Were I ever to be made unemployed here I would be entitled to the same benefits as German citizens. I would honestly hope that no frothing-at-the-mouth newspaper would hate me for claiming the unemployment benefit I would be entitled to and encourage their readers to take a "send them all home" stance.
Stop the welfare for everyone!That might also force the lazy brits into finding jobs!
Why aren't the MP's and in particular the Welfare minister, reading these comments from the genuine public. Something needs to be done NOW.Cameron, pull your finger out NOW, and stop searching TripAdvisor for your next summer break.
Why doesnt DM print the real statistics? The truth is that majority of East European immigrants have jobs, pay their taxes and so when some of that number claim benefits- they have already put into the pull by the means of paying their own taxes here. Sometimes life turn disappointingly, you loose your job and so for a wee while you need the system¿s help, but we pay for it up front!
Daily Mail trying to cause havoc and panic again. - IhateDM, london, United Kingdom, 29/08/2013 08:24 Believe this idiot... It's far worse than DM are portraying, look on the government websites for the statistics and then double that at least. If you live with your head in the sand mate, you obviously read the independent and belong to those statistics, let the DM be read by hard working tax payers who care about this country!!!!
Similar things have been going on for years, how about registering for NI number and benifits at half a dozen or more dole offices and collecting from them all, and that was in the 70s, but ,"It would cost more to catch the offenders than than the fraud was costing". One would believe that in the past 40 years it has become much worse, never mind the gross edicts from the mighty (Useless) EUSSR.
Only the FOOLS running the Country COULDNT SEE THIS.
What does this country expect, when we have an open door policynand let everyone in. - Mick N.E., Ashington, 29/08/2013 04:56 Not 'everyone'. Only EU nationals. My non EU husband had to fight to stay in this country with me & our mentally disabled child. After thousands of pounds in visa fees to the home office and 3 years he was eventually allowed to live & work here (as long as we pay £500 every 2.5 years for 10 years to extend the visa) & No Recourse To Public Funds!! Not all immigrants come here to scrounge. He works to support us. Just a shame the UKBA can't issue the public funds rule to all the EU nationals just walking into the UK.
Why not change the name of OUR country from Great Britain to HANDOUT CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. Everyone is welcome
ROLL ON UKIP
Worked 40 plus years, made redundant, over 60, get nothing. So much for working........I don't think.
Oh the another big plus then for the politicians and media who keep telling us of the 'benefits' of mass immigration!!
Is it any wonder certain foreigners claim Britain as being "Treasure Island"!
thatchers legacy
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder, HappyLand, United States, 29/08/2013 01:35 Where do you get the 130,000 Africans in the UK figure from? It HAS to be far more than that.
Do you have a figure for the cost? "Billions" is not an adequate number for a proper report. I assume you have no numbers and are making assumptions (yet again).
IMMIGRATION IMMIGRATION IMMIGRATION these are the WMD OUR sick are being told to work our unemployed are being told to find invisable jobs
satisfied Blair
Foreigners can't wait to get here and British people born here can't wait to leave. Can someone explain please?
Soft touch Britain. Everybody knows this. Even immigrants say this loudly through the media to confirm it. Yet we do nothing...
It is an open secret Labour did this deliberately. Years out of power, once back in fill the country with foreign benefits claimants. Encourage large families of domestic claimants. Engineer the population into a labour voting one....... It really is quite sick behaviour
Why, then, DM don`t you throw you considerable weight behind the ONLY party that will DO SOMETHING about this serious matter - UKIP, instead of, as you now do, which is to take every opportunity to ridicule the party and denigrate the character of it`s members ?
I'd just like to know why the people who pay taxes in this country aren't asked if its ok for their hard earned money to be spent like this? Why do we have to hand over nearly a third (or more) of our earnings with no say on what it's spent on? Because I'm sure this would be at the bottom of everyone's list.
We can't continue like this!
I worked and served in the Royal Marines serving my country of birth then at 65 retired to Belgium,my pension is £420 per month and i am not able to claim any supplements in Belgium (because i have not worked here).............Why is it that all other EU countries protect their own citizens and restrict immigrants but the UK just gives so much to those who have never paid a penny in NI or tax...........The millionaires who sit round the cabinet table have no idea what it is like to see your homeland destroyed because they are insulated from the pain of poverty.
Great Britain? sadly not for much longer
Then don't let them claim!! My husband ( a non EU national) can't claim a single penny, not that he wants to as he has a lot of pride to work & support us, but if you can issue a 'no recourse to public funds' to non EU nationals then do the same to EU nationals :-/ they haven't paid into the system, neither have their parents. But that's ok they can still claim child benefit for their kids back in their own country eh :-/
Oh these must be the hard workers Jamie Oliver was talking about!!!
1949 Benefits Britain!
There's a surprise! Benefits should be predicated on long term residency and tax contributions. We should not allow people to take out of the pot who have not first put something in.
It's good that we are looking after people in need, I'm glad my taxes are being put to good use.
I can't believe all the horrible comments on here. We have a duty to look after these people and guess what - benefits have to be paid for! If affordability is the problem then the government should simply raise taxes.
This is where the money is going, paying benefits to those who haven't paid in. This is the TRUE reason why working people are being made to work longer before they can draw their EARNED pension. All this "We are all living longer" hogwash is just convenient government rhetoric used to hide the real truth...
Our benefit system should be for the people who paid into the system (excluding all who cant due to ill health). This system was never meant for anyone other than the people of this country. As a woman of 59 I have now to wait an additional 6 years before I get my state pension although I worked full time for over 40 years since I was 16. As I am no longer working I am living off my small company pension and my savings and hope they last out till then. We should have a similar attitude to Australia...if you cant look after yourself financially....you cant come in!
Why do we do it? You must have contributed 5 years before you are allowed anything
No surprise, even more taxpayers millions to be paid out next year 2014 to all and sundry who simply walk in and claim, a very costly crazy system ,meanwhile we all must suffer cuts makes no sense at all.
No, no, no! Cameron needs to grow a backbone and put a full stop to this. It's an insult to hardworking taxpayers, pensioners who have worked all their lives to live in poverty once they retire and those on the ever lengthening NHS waiting lists. The UK is seen as the mug of the world - come to us and we'll give you money for nothing. Even better, we'll give you money for members of your family who don't even live in the UK!
Daily Mail trying to cause havoc and panic again.
I hope the new "rules" being brought in before Jan 1st stop more of these immigrants and that finally we will get out of the EU, team up with the Commonwealth and put the shutters up on our border. If you have a proper job and are invited to UK fine, otherwise please stay home
This is an appalling use of tax payer money & those responsible should be locked up for life! No immigrant should have the right to welfare (including the NHS) in this country unless they have paid in to the system for 5 years. The benefits system should be cancelled immediately & relaunched with very strict criteria. Cameron needs to worry less about Syria & more about getting us out of the EU, before the next huge influx arrive cap in hand!
It's like trying to fill a bath with no plug. As soon as the nation's money is earned, it's handed over to Johnny Foreigner. Recovery?! Don't make me laugh! More like running to stand still! UKIP for me in 2015.
"Money! Get your free money! Grab it while its still here! Get your free money"
Oh my word...quick send them back that way 'our' people will get all the benefits that we've missed out on because of the foreigners taking it all.....what a load of rubbish....our ridiculous government is to blame.....what a shambles they're making of everything....cuts here and there saving a pittance....they need to have a really good think about how they're running us into the ground....the selfish idiots!!!!!
Successive governments seem to have been obsessed with the need to be seen to be helping others around the world and in the process have lost sight completely with what is happening in their own country. Politicians urge us to vote but why bother when politicians are not interested in protecting the interests of their own citizens.
Cameron reacts to a problem in Syria that the British people couldn't care less about, but immigrant problems he ignores. Listen to the British people you idiot.
Our only hope is UKIP.
The only reason the politicians dont deal with it is because they are too scared they will be branded racist....i cannot see any other reason.
The smug politicians do nothing, other than claim their inflated expenses and wait for their next salary rise!!!
Haha, who cares? It's just hilarious watching Middle England get mad.
Simple solution: If you're not born in this country, or have at least one parent born in this country, NO BENEFITS
Biggest number of individual claimants were from Asia and the Middle East ------------- JUST HOWis this possible? I begrudge my tax money going overseas!
It's a nuisance when people use a serious debate such as this, to peddle UKIP........there you go all you UKIPPERS ........your big chance for a red arrow-fest xx
Absolutely shocking. How much longer can this go on? There has to be a limit and I reckon this will be reached next year when the next wave of immigrants get here. I cannot beleive how this government is letting this happen. They are all talk and no action. British taxpayers have had enough of their money aquandered. I fear for this country, We are no longer Great Britain. Labour started this fiasco, and this government is simply continuing to let it happen.
My husband and I were in effect driven out of our beloved country by the intense anger of our taxes being given to financial imigrant from all over the world. We had to move abroad to keep our sanity and lose the anger.
Meanwhile honest UK taxpayers who suffer disasters are treated like criminals if they try to claim benefits, having to prove that they aren't lying at every step, sometimes in a very unpleasant manner which only makes them feel worse. How about a bit of balance, our own people first for benefits, hospital treatment, school places, council houses etc. The more we feather-bed, the more will come.
just WRONG!
UKIP ALL THE WAY
absolutely soul destroying
I don't have anything against foreigners- my parents were foreigners to this country in their time - but AAAARGH. They never claimed benefits, never, they were highly qualified people but worked in a warehouse, sewing on buttons at dry cleaners, anything rather than claim benefits, and they learned English. They made us learn English and they brought us up to work and pay taxes. What the hell is this?
Good lord - don't tell them to come to Canada - they'll get nothing. At least I don't think so. Been here most my life. If you don't have a job, you're screwed and destined to be uber poor. The UK has to rethink the whole system.
What do you expect when we elect idiots like Blair, Brown, Cameron and Clegg into office.
just scrap the benefits make them stand on their own two feet or at least make everyone re apply
There lies the problem with the declining quality of services in the UK compared to the rest of Europe.
Leave the EU and take the benefit system back to how it was in the 1940s, a safety net not a life style choice !
......and after I finish working all my life and retire, if I can afford it that is, will there be anything left in the pot for me? If we carry on at this rate there won't. I get more and more angry about this situation where people who have contributed nothing to this country take and fools like me who work pay them to do it.
Anyone surprised? I'm not. I saw this coming years ago. Big Issue sellers 'work' for 12 weeks then are entitled to full UK benefits. The same applies to agricultural workers - not much to pick from October to May. We are being taken for MUGS and quite honestly rightly so. But it's not only the benefit issue, how about the £53,000,000 given to the EU every day, the £12 Billion in foreign aid? The retirement age has been increased and your private pensions have been raided to help pay for this. Have you tried to get a Dr or Dentist appointment lately? Have you waited in A&E for hours to eventually be seen by a Dr who doesn't speak English? WE ARE PAYING FOR THIS IN QUALITY OF LIFE AS WELL AS IN FINANCIAL TERMS. We are being fleeced and royally shafted by political traitors who are supposed to protect and care for BRITISH citizens. If you want more of the same continue voting LibLabCon. If not, it has to be UKIP.
Another example of the UK Government ignoring the wishes of citizens, look around and it happens all the time. Here there is no welfare unless you have contributed, very simple, I am at a loss to understand why the British Government refuse to do the same.
What do people expect we are in the middle of the deepest recession since the war there are no jobs for people born here how do they expect foreigners to find work?
A lot of us already knew this but when we dared to say it, we were deemed a racist.
A friend worked in a London school for the blind. One family, white British, were turned down by Australia as their blind child "Would be a burden on Australia". Meanwhile, an asylum seeking family with 5 children at the school -all born without eyes due to a (1st cousin marriage) genetic fault - were being supported in their request to stay in the UK in spite of the children being a HUGE burden on the state!
LOOK LET'S GET IT STRAIGHT. The British taxpayer knows that all the bull about JOB OPPORTUNITIES is a Govt. fantasy. Across Africa and E. Europe the word is out that if you can get to the UK you can LIVE FOR FREE. The quicker the Govt. understands that the better. Meanwhile taxpayers have their services reduced to find the money all these scroungers cost.
Vote labour, and let them all come.
THE LABOUR PARTY'S LEGACY - si, london, 29/8/2013 12:14 Stop blaming Labour, this con lot have had plenty of time to make the the changes needed, they have the benefit of hindsight, made useless promises and a PM without a backbone. as bad if not worse than labour. Only one vote for me UKIP
Meanwhile, with the help of Atos, they continue to strip the benefits from genuinely sick, native born British, lets not forget that.
I'm not great at maths but if there are 406,000 foreigners claiming benefits and 5.88 million Britons doing the same, that means Britons account for over 93% of benefits spending in the UK. So I'm not entirely sure it's foreigners taking all the money. Interestingly, the split of 93% native Briton to 7% foreign is roughly in line with the actual demographics of the country as well, so it doesn't look as if foreigners disproportionately take up the welfare budget either. Perhaps we could get come clarity as to the amount of cash that goes to Britons and the amount which goes to foreigners? It's a bit disingenuous to whine that foreigners are costing our country 'billions' when they account for less than 7% of the actual bill.
if you dont like the situation, change it ,use your vote accordingly at the next available elections and vote for the only party who will put a stop to this insane situation,i am definately voting UKIP.
Can't they get a job with Jamie Oliver?
tories, great on rhetoric, abysmal on action. Nice shoes though, Mrs May.
Oh well
One could argue that EU because of legislation we are saddled with are justified but that leaves 340,000 non EU claimants. How does that work? It is very simple - Tough to get in and then you have to work for five years before receiving benefits. Put someone with backbone in charge of UK border control. No visa - no entry and those visa's have to be approved from this end not at the consulate or embassy at originating country. You have to have a work placement and if a student wants to study here they must put in the entire three years tuition and living funds into a special account. - Time to get tough - time to find someone tough enough to deliver.
we in the uk have been bounced into this marxist/commie system whether we like it or not,whether we we voted for it or not,whether we like having our democratic voice taken away in this or not,thanks to our ministers who now take their orders from the likes of marxist merkel and barroso and good ole rumpy pumpy,everything we have built up by way of savings and pensions is to be handed out and shared for all who are piling in leaving us with poverty levels seen in third world countries,yep thats the policy folks,good an,it
The government have got far more important things to deal with, like sticking their noses into the problems of other countries!
None of this makes any sense whatsoever! We are bleeding ourselves to death. All that our ancesters fought and died for is being thrown away. It is a betrayal of them.
How the HELL can this be happening? When I immigrated here in the late 90's I could not claim a thing, and wouldn't have in any case. I had a stamp in my passport that said "No recourse to public funds" - this was for 5 years. I have been here 16 years and still have never felt the need or desire to access/take/abuse public funds. Clearly our immigration doors are flapping wildly in the wind attracting all the WRONG people. So much about what's "good" for the country. So disappointing.
It's simple any person who has not paid National Insurance for 2 years although I would like 5 years or been a permanent resident for 5 years can't claim any benefits. Simples
There should be a qualifying period, perhaps 5 years of contributions, before qualifying and the sum paid should be equal to the payment a UK Citizen would receive in their Country. This Magic Roundabout has lost its wheels.
And this country is supposed to be so broke that we all have to suffer cuts. And yet we hand this much to immigrants who have paid nothing in. We consider military action which has nothing to do with us. Do you ever get the feeling that politicians, who are overseeing this ridiculous situation, are required to put their brains into cold storage when they take up their positions, to be retrieved when they leave office?
Consistently shambolic behaviour really, from MPs who are supposed to be intelligent and have the UK's best interests at heart. I admit, In an ideal world it's nice to be able to help others, however, when that includes people who have long criminal records or people who have no intention of working or people who are here simply to claim benefits and contribute nothing, or people who have no intention of adding anything of value to the local resident population...well you wouldn't invite that type of person to stay in your own home, so why would you foist that type of person many, many times over onto the UK which is, in effect, our shared collective home...oh and why would you then be so incompetent so as not to know how many people are here? I've got no axe to grind as my great great grandfather came here from Jamaica, however, he worked damn hard, made many friends and received nothing by way of support. The UK is being failed over and over by each government on this issue.
THIS should be today's headline, not some daft rubbish about Tango dancers in Argentina!
Every day a feel a little bit more ashamed of being British! !....we are Europes laughing joke!!!
they are stealing britains future, stop it now and get the hell out of europe now; this blair and browns legacy
This needs to be stopped now, if imigration carries on as is, this country will be bankrupt. Why oh why can we not have a leader who is sympathetic towards the people of this country instead of to the whole world.
And all the time LibLabCon keep encouraging the importation of immigrants, who we can't do without. They are telling the hard working taxpayer that its the British elderly, disabled and low paid who are causing the economic troubles. Next year many more Eastern EU people will turn up. All the time these benefits are going "home", rather than remaining in our country. Tis should be stopped, these people have never paid into our tax or NI system and should be allowed nothing out of it now. UKIP will stop it.
The whole system is a complete mess. I know of people who have fraudulently claimed benefits for years, and when reported, the authorities do absolutely nothing. Well actually they do something continue giving them benefits. AND they are still claiming when they are living in another country and have done for the last 8 months and are not british citizens. It's completely wrong! I'm all for people coming to this country to work but I think in order to get any benefits or be allowed to work (get NI registration) it should have to be under certain conditions, e.g. Pass an English examination, prove that they are actually living in the country, not be allowed to claim benefits or be entitled to housing until such a time they are able to illustrate that they can actively contribute to the state and not drain resources. My husband is from Eastern Europe, he is an engineer and I run my own business, we don't claim benefits never have! I'm sick of looking of my tax bill each year!
Forget the other parties, they only paper over the cracks, give UKIP a chance to sort this properly.
We need answers and the only way we will get them is mass peaceful protests.
Spread the word,.. UKIP to sort out this Damn mess !!
We should follow the 1949 system...
This Enrichment is bankrupting us!!
Educate yourselves people. EU immigrants damage your country than any outside immigrant will ever do. All these articles are to stir things up n create hatred for immigrants. Do not think Nigel will sort it either, when was the last time a politician told the truth. Educate yourselves people.
Do you get the impression we keep electing really stupid governments? It' UKIP for me now on.
Oh! I thought they were the ones working while the Brits are all lazy. The golden pot will be empty soon for everyone. No job, not a British citizen, go home!
So we have people who have paid into the system for years being denied benefits and services to pay for immigrants, asylum seekers AND their families! and to add insult to injury a proportion of these openly hate us and go to religious institutions that preach violence and death! What hope is there for our children if our own government does NOTHING!
This article confirms what the ordinary working man and woman have known for years. No one should now be allowed in unless they can prove that they have sufficient money so that they have no need for benefits or to be a drain on this company, this Los applies to health insurance. No money, no health insurance equals no admittance.
if you haven't got a National Insurance number or British passport, you cannot claim benefits......simple.
If this feeble Government keeps on giving them hand outs they will keep on coming..And this Country will be bankrupt, we will be joining Spain Greece ,etc...If the poor and the elderly and sick over worked tax payers native Brit think they got it bad now..YOU HAVE NOT SEEN ANY THING YET..
Looks like not even the DM can rant on about how its all labour fault any more.
Surprise, Surprise! Why doesn't this story leave me flabbergasted. This was seen coming 15 years AGO!.
Yet the government are blaming the pensioners for all the financial ills of the country, we are living too long, 24,000 are dying each year due to the cold so we will stop the WFA, the bus pass, and TV licence to the over 75's, meanwhile they continue to fund the dregs of the earth from other countries who turn up on our doorstep.. UKIP are the only party that will address this appalling situation.
Zebedee, what? And take money from the immigrants? That will never do, not when we have British disabled people who are in receipt of benefits. It makes much more sense to withdraw the disablement benefits than to close our borders. It's inhumane apparently to refuse entry to someone from a War torn country and not give them a roof over their head, food on their tables and pay for the upkeep of however many children they may have but there's nothing wrong with taking essential benefits if you're British, childless, worked for many years before claiming benefits and have an incurable and dangerous illness.
The figures show that 93% of work-related benefit claimants are Britons. This is in keeping with the population as a whole.
Right lets see==Foreign Aid about 12 BILLIONS / EU Contributions about 13 BILLIONS not counting backdoor bailouts for bankrupt countries / Foreign Benefit Claimants another unknown figure running into Billions / Billions more on funding our illegal wars against any Country our Politicians choose to attack, MEANWHILE our OAP's freeze to death in winter many more thousands die in hospitals thru lack of basic care, thousands more denied lifesaving drugs / 1 MILLION of our young people thrown on the scrapheap / our sovereign debts have topped 1.2 TRILLIONS and growing etc etc etc.
ARGHhHhhhhhhhhhhhhHhHhHh I have just finished a 14 hour night shift for the NHS and have done so 3/4 times a week for the last 10 years and my pay just covers bills etc I actually want to cry !!!! These people come here use the NHS and claim benefits....!! I am moving out of this sorry excuse of a country....!!! What a shame I hate my own country and the government that runs it
No, no, no ..... They only come here to bring missing skill sets that the British don't have .... They don't come here for our benefits system !
If you haven't paid in and are fit for work you should not pay out! This is national insurance, we workers pay our insurance. Foreign people should only be allowed in if they have money or work, and students have money to pay for their education. British people should only be on job seekers allowance if they are actively seeking work!
We're told that immigration is actually a positive for the UK since it adds to the economy. This article based on facts kind of scuppers this idea. We're already pretty well bankrupt so it's little wonder that the working population is having to work until they drop before they retire & services in this once great Country are crumbling. Mr Cameron we need a referendum on the EU now!
Your comments:By any definition, we have been sold out. Utterly tragic.
Surprise, surprise!
I dont undestand DM. Our government who i trust completely say immigrants bring so many positive things to the country? are you telling me im being lied to?
I have nothing but contempt for the British Government since Blair got into power and opened the door to the world and his wife and it's all been downhill from there. No wonder thousands flock to your shores; it's the land of milk and honey for some and the poor old British taxpayer is having to pay for it. I will always love my Country, but the politicians suck!
I can't read all of this. My head is swelling from the inside. I voted UKIP in local elections and I can't wait to vote UKIP in the next general election. Voting for anyone else will only lead to 'anyone else' changing their manifesto as always.
UKIP is the only hope for this most awfully run country. Lets give them a clean sweep in the EU elections.
Many people seem to believe that voting UKIP will solve the problem, but will Mr Farage and his party be able to achieve what they claim? I shall be voting UKIP but fear we are already in too deep. It may take a WAR OF INDEPENDENCE in the end. It may help if Cameron and Clegg take the first steps now, instead of prevaricating, and promising a possible vote at some time in the future. My local used to have a sign behind the bar which said : FREE BEER TOMORROW.
All part of the plan to destroy England from within. it has been said ¿Until now, nations were killed by conquest, that is by invasion. But here an important question arises: can a nation not die on its own soil, without resettlement or invasion, by allowing the flies of decomposition to corrupt to the very core those original and constituent principles which make it what it is?¿
MP's of any party except UKIP are terrified to cut back the Welfare system, believing it will cost them votes. How they dare put themselves before the good of the country is a form of fraud, as I see it. Refreshingly. Farage and his party think differently.
And still our Government lets more and more of them come into our Country.. It beggers belief !!!
That would include foreigners in work who because of very low wages (minimum wage, part-time, zero hour) are claiming IN WORK benefits to heat, eat and shelter. The blame should go onto rich Tory voting bosses who refuse to pay living wages (giving it all in perks and bonuses to themselves instead) forcing the poor who WORK to claim IN WORK BENEFITS.
How do non Europeans get to be allowed in without the means to support themselves?..
People should spend less time estimating the figures and more time doing something about it. England is ruined. No wonder all our best and brightest leave! We are the dumping ground of the earth and our politicians should stop spending all their time bickering at each other about broken promises to work towards their pay increases and more time doing something however controversial.
I am beginning to think the people running this country,both now and those idiots in the last Labour government,(how on earth did Gordon Brown ever become P.M.),dont have the slightest clue.This problem has been obvious to anyone with a brain for years and will get worse and worse but still no one has the backbone to do anything about it. I give up. Bye bye G.B.!!!
What sort of an idiot do you need to be not to realise this was always going to happen?
Like politicians they have put nothing in and have taken as much as they can out ,and yes including housing although politicians get to keep and profit from theirs
Nothing will happen, unless you are a british worker who pays your taxes. get made redundant and then try and get help. wont happen , immigration is good for the world for working people not idol layabouts who are economic migrants who leech. This government and previous are delusional in believing the UK is a prosperous country who can help the world but not its own. we are a 3rd world country in the making and military might wise we are a flea on the tail of the U.S tiger. The NHS is a great institution but is being abused and the UK being laughed at by the world.
EU.NO NO NO, get out now
hi these gvt policies of uncontrolled entry into the uk will result in living standards/care provision reduced for all in the uk,the jam is being spread so thin now great poverty will be seen in areas never seen before,theres just not the resources/taxes being generated to meet all the demands of this exploding population in the uk,are they listening in westminister,thought not,will they close the door now,nope!
Our Politicians are aware with what is happening to our Country. Things are progressing nicely exactly to plan. We are over-populated, we are jobless, we are extremely hard-up. This has been allowed to happen because it is what the politicians want. The taxpayers are not running this Country. They are paying all the bills but them in the cuckoo`s nest are running it - to hell in a handcart.
Couldn't Jamie Oliver employ them ?
This needs to he stopped our only hope is UKIP. - tony, mansfield, 29/08/2013 05:18 Sadly I fear it's too late now! I despair for our country. We're so governed by Brussels that its not a case of just walking away from Europe anymore. Wish it was!
Still Cameron ignores these figures and the wishes of the people! He'd much rather have a war !
Simple analogy; would we as Brits be able to claim a penny if we hit hard times in their countries? I think the answer is a resounding, "no." Why do we waste our money, which we pay in taxes, in this manner?
For several yearss it has been obvious that the EU was designed to lift the poorer people upto the same standard pf living as the so called RICH ie the likes of us. It is going to be very hard to leave as the many immigrants from the EU will be able to vote in any referendum that we hold aand they are not going to vote to leave it. `ted heath and the rest of the body politic have an awful lot to answer for.
Bank of England policy - unemployment high with lots of immigrants so use this statistic to rob the prudent blind with interest rates way below inflation. Come January the numbers will spiral out of control.
This government has been in power for three & a half years & the benefits to foreigners bill has increased 41% in five years, & its over five years since Blair was P M, surely this is the fault of the coalition this has happened after Blair left office & i know the Dreary Mail readers will say he is to blame for letting so many in but that is like blaming Churchill for E C H R fiasco because he took us into it in 1946 just trying to be truthful & sensible you know blame where it is due.PS i don't like Blair or his awful wife.
You can go to any town or city up & down the UK to find in full of people of working age doing absolutely nothing. I accept that times have changed, but when I was a lad there would be hardly a male figure on the streets during working hours other, than tradesmen.
This is great news
We imported all this lot without any basic standards as regards education and job skills! What a set of "Numpties" in Parliament.
and here's me listening to the politicians and the BBC saying they come here to work. so the proportion of immigrants claiming dole against Brits is quite high. No wonder the country is broke.
What the hell did you expect with a Benefit and Immigration System designed by a collander maker.
Yet having worked all my life, if I lost my job today I would get nothing because my wife works full time.
And the government wonder why the number of jobless people is increasing. If they hadn't been allowed to claim benefits we would save £billions a year and the bedroom tax wouldn't be needed.
You want to stop this? THEN VOTE UKIP, OTHERWISE, ACCEPT WHAT YOU HAVE GOT.IT IS THAT SIMPLE.
Not surprised about this at all! It is due to Britain accommodating the rest of the world that the country is in so much debt. Until the government grow some balls and implement new rules regarding new and existing immigrants then the country will just become worse. We need to take note from Australia: No immigrant to claim any benefit for first 5 years living here, must have atleast £20,000 in the bank, must have a job and accommodation organised before arrival, must be able to speak flaunt English and must have qualifications with no criminal record
Disgraceful absolutely disgraceful!! They have just taken my fathers disability benefit from him as they deem him fit to work after having list a leg and having chronic arthritis and pericarditis (heart failure). Good job Britain hope your proud!! Feeling very patriotic NOT!!
U K I P
And THIS is one of the many reasons I'm leaving this country for good! So so sad to see what this country has become...
And again I say they've knocked a few quid off my Dear Lady's pension .....
VOTE UKIP...................you know it makes sense.
while my disabled son has to pay for his council services,same as the elderly do too....yet you can come here and get it for nothing.
ukip
disgraceful!! I'm so glad I work hard and pay my taxes to support those that should be supporting themselves. People, foreign or not seem to want everything given to them. I'm 27 been working since I was 16 use to have three jobs now fortunate to have found one that pays the same but still I worked hard to get here!!! Where is the work ethic... ?? I'm also fortunate to have never used the system either.
Disgusting.Make the benefits less and pay workers more!!
This is a distraction!!! Daily mail wants to throw everyones attention off the syria thing.
We are mugs.
And I wonder who is to blame for that? Both the nasty party and labour, it's a pity the politicians don't go to Syria and do the fighting alone.
leave Europe and kick out the benefit claimants, or stop new arrivals from claiming
Because, Andrew,Aylesbury - our so-called 'governments' simply do what the EU tells them to do. And hand over our taxpayers money for the privilege. Yes, UKIP is the only way to save us.
Its getting tougher and tougher to genuinely be proud you have done a days work and are contributing back to society.
Please lets give ukip a chance everyone. Surely they can't do worse than the treacherous three.
The TV programme Benefits Britain 1949 shows how the welfare system was meant to be run. The rules were still in place when I left school in the 1970s - I was not 'entitled' to claim anything because I hadn't paid anything into the system. Now I've worked for 30+ years, when I was made redundant, because I had savings, all that I was 'entitled' to was contribution based JSA for 6 months. That's it? £70 per week limited to 6 months, after all those years of contributing? It makes me sick that my taxes go to pay for others who have not contributed anything to the pot. I will be voting UKIP as they are the only party I have faith will sort this mess out.
Blar, blar, blar, blar, blar-didde-blar, blar,blar,blar.........lol.
I cant wait to get my degree and leave this country. I' am british born and bred and I hate what this country has turned into
UK residents loose out, Eastern block cash in!!. I can see it, why can't the politicians. Lol!.
It seems that our government can start a war in under 48hours including a full recall of parliament but.....a referendum on supporting/funding the EU and all it's citizens will take years to organise....why is this?
Seems that everyone is increasing their reliance on state handouts.. How has the number of uk residents increased over the last five years. These statistics show nothing.
Surely it is now time to say,nothing is given unless you have paid in for 5 years.This will finally cripple the UK. If this was put into the pension pot there would be less problem with that.No wonder British people get angry with politicians when they do not do anything about this issue. And yes ,no wonder ukip are getting strong.
The guys who died in WWI and WWII died for nothing - this country is a disgrace
More to come from Libya, Egypt and Syria. Thanks to our useless politicians.
Are not the recipients cross referenced through the various agencies that employ them (carrying out CRB checks etc.), and any benefits re-charged to the Country of their origin, as with Health Care and appropriate Medical insurance? - wickidpedear , York, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 06:02.........................Er ! My guess the answer to your question would be a big fat NO.
How stupid are the British government, do we have to be on our knees before they stop giving our money away
This is why there is a housing shortage. This is why the NHS is under pressure. This is why the employment figures are high. This is why we need to build more schools. This is why we need to get out of Europe. This is why etc etc.
In times of economic downturn, immigrants are always the hardest hit so I don't see anything strange in these figures. That equal opportunities form filled for every job application has in many instances worked against immigrants.
Yet again....so much money, and so easy to get without having to pay into the system.....time for a change methinks
Don't be under the impression any of the government care. They are only in it for themselves. And why not.
UKIP !
Look at the third world, no work, no pay, no food, very little debt, Western world, no work, benefit, food, and plenty of Debt???, who is right/ who is wrong?
No - you don't say! And how many people did it take to work this out? Ask any British born tax payer and they could have told you this years ago.
And all that mob who keep calling us lazy Brits and all the other people are all working away 24/7 bit of a wake up call
I bet this is a fraction of the true figures. Makes me want to jump off a cliff...
WHY ???????? WHY ???????? WHY
Remember what Liebor told us its called diversification!
This is a disgrace. I'm voting UKIP. No mud slung at them by the national press will change my mind. Nothing else matters to me other than putting a stop to this madness.
Vote UKIP to end this madness!!
My Friends...READ THIS Article carefully !!!! THIS is sooo wrong...I am all for helping folk....but this exploitation is not right at all..............and they want to launch bombs on Syria !!!! I REALLY despair at MY GOVERNMENT....c'mon wake up Dave and sort this !!!!
I thought they were all working hard for Jamie Oliver
The four years 2008-2012 roughly coincide with the recession so it is to be expected that benefits would rise. Figures for UK citizens should also be shown for comparison.
Another 400,000 votes for UKIP. If they have no right to live in the UK, get their Embassies to pay for a one way ticket home.
You can imagine how really ecstatic I was to read this as when I was made redundant 5 years ago I was not even allowed to claim JSA as, according to the jobcentre, as I was a carer I could not committ to 16 hours a week even though I had actually worked part-time for the prevous 27 years. That left me with an income of £53.00 a week from Carers Allowance - (claiming JSA would have meant another £10.00 a week). Why are people who have lived and worked here all of their lives unable to claim yet people coming from another country can and not just £10.00 a week either but hundreds of pounds?
This little island cannot afford to feed and clothe the world I'm afraid.
Cameron sort this appalling abuse out, never mind Syria or elsewhere in the middle east it is none of our business, get a grip on the home problems that are!
Refuse to pay your taxes! They can't jail us all can they?!?
How come immigrants can claim benefits when i can't claim a full state pension because i took time off work to raise my children.
This is why we have to work till 67 to get a pension!!!! People who have worked all their lives and contributed to the Uks taxes always miss out.
only UKIP have the balls to sort this mess out
This is true, I live in Spain 6months a year, and the system works like this, you can claim benefits for 3 months, then the benefit stops, you then have to work for 10 days and you get another 3 months.The lady next door to us is sweeping the streets , no pay but then gets her benefit back.Now wouldnt that be a good idea for our country.Just to see some of the idle layabouts do something for once.Before anyone jumps up and down I worked for 44 years paying tax , which gives me the right to say this, This system in Spain works no work no benefits, easy.
well fancy that;;;who would have believed it. and all them safeguards in place to stop it. 2 more countries to add to that number soon.
Tax payers revolt and vote UKIP.
400k foreign claimants is nothing compared to the 5.88 MILLION Brits claiming. I bet the majority of the Brits claiming have not worked a day in their life
I work with a Czech guy who claims for five children, all back home. If it is his right , so be it. But when your own people are having benefits reduced and the sick being asked to work. With more people at food banks and pensioners being asked to leave homes that they have lived in all their adult lives, to accommodate families often from overseas, I ask you? Is this fair?
Sorry to say, but U.K.I.P. seems the only option every time I read this Paper.
Successive governments have told us that immigrants do not qualify for automatic benefits. Have they been lying to us? I am shocked! Only one way to prevent the "melt down" of Britain, vote UKIP!
Disgraceful
This makes me so mad!!!!!
My mate has been living in Latvia and Lithuania for nearly ten years now reasons best known to himself, is currently out of work and homeless, and has so far not been able to collect a Euro in social benefits. What with the farce of the European Union; what with Cameron and Hague looking for their 'Falklands' moment, an ever widening gap is opening up between government and the governed. They've cut our armed forces to the bone, and then they want a war? Fiendish logic if you ask me. Nobody could be that stupid without a hidden agenda.
I would like to hear the justifications of those in charge, our so called leaders, for the decisions that they have made over the years that have changed our country so dramatically in such a short space of time. I would also like to know what they intend to to reverse the situation or at least stop it deteriorating further. ALL of the parties involved should hang their heads in shame. I'm all for helping those in need but we cannot solve the problems of the world nor give endless shelter to the less well off from abroad. Our system is rapidly reaching breaking point and our daily lives are becoming more stressfull. Hospitals are full, there are no jobs, the roads are full and there are no houses. Why are the doors still open?
So will they still keep telling us that immigration is good for the economy as if we didn't already know the truth. Please god, when will someone grow a spine and get a grip on this? Depressingly, I'm not holding my breath.
Why is the government giving out handouts to people without british citizenship?
Message to the world come to our country, free education, health, housing and even free money for not working! We must be the laughing stock of the world, pathetic.
This is a surprise !!!! Only to the politicians who do not have the backbone to stop it. They need to act fast before the beleaguered taxpayer takes to the streets. There is only so much we can take. I agree forget about Syria, get a grip on immigration. It has to be the number one top priority, we have had enough.
Don't forget the child benefit paid to those who are working and whose families still live in their home country. Benefits all round - except for the tax-paying Brits. Kerching! Forget being the world's policeman, we're the world's social services.
David Cameron,me thinks should be dealing with the great problems he has here in the UK,including those outlined in this article,rather than meddling in Syria.
Spanish & US benifit rules please don't pay in you can't get out and your not a resident / citizen you don't get given! simples.. Oh and if they must pay them then 1949 rules!!
It simple there should be no pay-outs till they have paid into the system for at least 2 years like Australia and even then the Money they receive should equate to the money they put in. We need to change this country's something for nothing culture to You Only Get Out What You Put In
This is bad enough but what the public deserve to know is exactly how many immigrants who were given British passports during the Blair/Brown years are claiming benefits? And how much does it cost? Hard working, skilled British families are leaving the country in droves and being replaced by unskilled welfare claimants.
How many more foreigners are also paying taxes now though?
The only sensible solution would be a European Union benefit paid to everybody who is a member of the EU, but not a national of that country. Lets say a Hungarian claims benefits in the UK but is disqualified because he has not worked here for a period of 5 years continuous full time work, he then has to apply to the EU benefits office which grants him a pre agreed sum of money while he is actively looking to steal a British persons job. Let the EU be held responsible not the poor British Tax payer who to be frank have enough of their own unemployed to deal with.
Now please tell us how many NON foreigners are claiming and the percentage increase that number represent in the same time period. I suspect another one sided piece of journalism from DM that is designed to breed fear and hatred amongst the readers.
LIES. All the time lies. That's all we get from our leaders. WE NEED UKIP IN TO SORT THIS OUT.
Migration Watch and their 50,000! Have a look at the European Social Statistics publication of July 2013. It forecasts a rise in population of 15 million by 2060. That is 320,000 NET immigration per year every year. Given that migration is about 200,000 per year and therefore must be added back to give a reasonable immigration figure of 500,000 per year. Sorry Migration Watch, you missed out a zero! Think of the effect of this volume of non-U.K. citizens on health, education and social cohesion!
Totally predictable. We all know that many come and work hard for a year or two so they can access the welfare system. Once they have access to the sytem they can milk it dry. Once they are on the gravy train its impossible to get off. I really resent paying taxes to support our own Jeremy Kyle scroungers as well as a new generation of foreign benefits tourists and the situation will get worse next year. Why does our Government continually ignore us, tell us to tighten our belts and then give away our tax savings to people who have no right to it, or keep wasting it on wars that have got nothing to do with us???????????????????????????????????
We are a soft touch country and the cost in years to come will ..cost us dearly... ... Giving away more money every year cannot be sustained... ......That's basic logic...so why vote for our 650 MPs to continue this unregulated hemerage..... Of give away moneys to people that have not contributed from other countries... That is financial suicide ...... This country is sinking in give away self inflicted debt .....by MPs
So that means there's billions that could be saved and spent on more important things like paying the national debt, increase nhs spending, stopping cutting services that are needed, etc. We really do need to stop being a country that let's the world and it's wife walk all over us, close the border and stop payments to people who haven't paid into the system for at least 5 years.
yet,i ...a born and bread brit,who worked and save gets told i'm not entitled to anything as i have too much savings.
If I could stop paying my taxes, I would. I'm sick of being fleeced so that we can give the money to all the lazy benefit scroungers in the UK and now all the immigrants who are jumping on the gravy train!
surprise surprise tell us something we don't know and in the mean time i have to work an additional 6 years before i get my pension by which time i will have worked for 50 years that's fair NOT
Contrast this with Indians not 'Asians' you will find a tiny tiny minority claiming benefits. Easily the most successful immigrant community in the UK. Immigration has its benefits if you offer everything on the plate to people where is the incentive to work and get on. Scroungers think we are mugs but now we are international mugs for everyone to exploit.
Nigel, HELP!
The problem isn't just the immigration policies it is the state handouts let's base them on income and limit the years
We give them so much aid, but they still come here to earn benefits. Maybe government should be asking themselves if the aid that they give to these countries is being used appropriately.
Stop the welfare! If you have two arms and two legs you can work! That's how it is in Singapore! No welfare there they HAVE to work!
This is what you should be dealing with Dave. Leave Syria alone and sort Britain out first - earl b, Birmingham Here here!!
And don't forget to add foreign aid to all this.
Get out of this country, take your wealth with you, and leave the festering mess behind for the Labour party and their band of idealistic incompetents to carry on funding, in ever growing numbers and costs. The Labour party wants the entire world to become as poor as the poorest person in the world - it's their underlying aim.
As long as seriously ill and disabled British people who have paid tax and National insurance have their benefits taken away or denied though, ay, Mr Duncan-Smith?
EU rules are absolutely clear on this. You only have the right to stay in another EU country if you have work or are seriously seeking, and have a prospect of, finding work. That gives you a window of only three months to stay in a country. It is NOT about going to the EU country paying the most generous benefits. The rules are there to be enforced and other EU citizens who do not meet these requirements can be deported. Why is Britain not doing this, as several other EU countries actually DO?
Why do immigrants who haven't worked and are on benefits qualify for citizenship? Surely one of the requirements ought to be that they are contributing something worthwhile to this country, not helping to drain it dry.
My mother worked hard all her life,had to give up work because of ill health,she was refused benefits said she wasn't entitled, I would like to know how migrants can get it,and the dwp say the system is fair.
Sigh. What did we expect.What an unholy mess.
ok no problem, as we have paid money out in benifits to europian citi-zens, deduct it from what we have to pay into the europian slush fund soon we wont pay a peny in... :)
What happened to we welcome all immigrants as they contribute to the economy ?,another Government lie. Many just take with no intention of doing anything else,but then the ordinary,common sense people of the UK have known this for years. Labour have always encouraged immigration, Conservatives make timid attempts to control it,but in the end our masters in the EU will decide UK policy as usual. Bow to Angela or vote for a party who will so something,the choice is ours.
Send a bill to Brussells. All EU countries should have to declare how much they are paying in benefits to foreign nationals - Britain will be street ahead. We should get a rebate - we could call it the Common Benefits Policy - and should be paid back by Brussells for the scroungers coming here from other EU countries. If you are unemployed in the EU you should have to return to your native land to be unemployed there - and NOT a burden on a host country. Simple.
No surprises there then, this continuous "leaking" of rate payers money will finally bancrupt this Country and the people who actually paid into the system wll receive nothing. It was so predictable that it shames the the so called "leaders " of this once great and thriving Country who have contributed to its inevitable downfall.
Sorry rickyo, charleston. I didnt mean to red down your comment, slip on the finger. If it allowed me I would have green arrowed up one thousand times for your comment!!
No benefits, no housing, no free NHS, problem solved because they won't come here but a quicker solution would be to get us out of Europe and close the borders. Vote UKIP Vote UKIP
to all the the people who were red arrowed about the Inland Revenue worker claiming tax credits, this is why I understood what you were saying and green arrowed your comments. If it ain't money being wasted on MPs its this and if you are willing to take back what you've 'paid in' why not? These people will never contribute but are on this lovely gravytrain for life!
400'000. being given handouts, with no medical by atos and no need to find a job because it will infringe their human rights, all at the top of the housing list with huge grants to furnish the place, but if your a born and bread Brit, then you have no hope, even the dead are told to go to work by atos because they are under trained bafoons with no idea. This country is now a complete lost cause and neither UKIP or anyone will be able to save her if this government carrys on the way it is. However you the public can take a stand.
Vote Ukip its as simple as ABC
I got out of the UK seven years ago...Thank god!!
Thanks Blair
Yeah they are really making a difference to British society!!! What we do without them her claiming welfare!! After all isn't it their human right to claim benefits from the British
I am surprised it took DM such a long time to publish this story. Probably you kept too busy with the celebrity (most of them self acclaimed) hook up and break ups. To me this this is the biggest problem at present and poses threat as the best economy destroyer in future. Sad part is that that this issue is last on any polotical party's agenda being directly affecting their vote bank. However if not tackled now will ruin the country. The country is slowly dividing into two classes- one who earn and pay taxes and the other that takes it away as benefits. The earlier shrinking in size. I have no motivation to work harder for myself as it indirectly for the leeches that the benefit system helps. There is this system called benefit tourism where people from all these EU countries are encouraged to settle in UK due to its generous benefit systems. Pathetic !!
....SEND THE BILL TO TONY BLAIR.
Wow, who'd have thought that would happen!
I agree with Earl, lets concentrate on the UK Mr Cameron. Tighter security on the ports. Stricter immigration policies and certainly if a crime is committed then deportation a certainty after sentence.
No doubt the BBC and Ch4 will report this as "Good News"
this is just great what a country the MP's have made for us punish the old and disabled but lets give away money to those who have never paid into the system
We need to do away with our political system and put in place people who have no political affiliation to run the country. These career politicians have destroyed Britain in the last thirty years.
This figure will rocket from January 2014, with the money they can get on benefit it just isn't worth some people working. They will be on benefit for years, never contributing only taking.
This will not be sorted because this government is out of touch with reality taking as many holidays per year as poorer people take baths due to water rate charges AND they do not live cheek by jowl or shop in the same areas as these immigrants do therefore they are not affected in anyway .They trot out the same old spiel changes will be made to how many are allowed into this country, WHAT about the ones that are here ?. ALL THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING IS CUTTING BENEFITS AND SERVICES FOR OUR OWN PEOPLE.
hang on...arent all immigrants hard working and all brits lazy according to idiots like jamie oliver? blows that stupid argument out the water. oh, and these are goverment figures so the true number is probably two to three times that.......
I have no idea why foreigners even want to come to UK anymore. I would leave if I could afford to
You mean there not all working while the lazy english prefer to be at home watching skye and drawing benefits well well, and this is news eh!!! Well not to me or anyone else who have to live in the real world who are blessed with even half a brain, may i suggest that maybe the sheer numbers of both legal and illegal are not doing us any good, has it occured to any of our elected leaders that we would not have a housing crisis or shortage of REAL jobs or the N.H.S at breaking point or the benefit system in chaos and so on and so on. There is only so much cake you can share until you have to accept less and less until there is nothing left for anyone .
So? Britain must pay back all it stole during the Empire.
Worked all my life and never claimed. So kind of me to provide money for immigrants!!!
Not surprising really, consecutive governments have totally failed on immigration and welfare. But how could Labour have been so foolish to have allowed this situation to occur in the first place!
If you are in Switzerland and from the EU if you lose your job you can claim until your contributions run out. Then your visa is withdrawn and you have to leave. Makes sense to me
What will it take to stop half the World, with no connection to the UK, coming here to live off the current taxpayers?
Defo need to get out of the EU and put a stop to being the easy ride for these people...
The article somewhat neglects to mention that to be eligible for benefits in the UK any non-UK nationals have to prove both residency and that they are registered as a WORKER. (Residency meaning they live here and either pay rent or own a home, and registered as a worker meaning are either working or looking for work. So they are contributing to the UK just as much as anyone else.)
when i left school you could not get any benefits until you had worked for a year so why is it anybody can walk into this country and get it ,we spend billions on foreign aid to most of these countries what is not passed on to the people so then they come here to get it ,stop the foreign aid and use it to pay for this unholy mess that were in and get rid of all the overbloated overseas aid civil servants who cry we must keep helping them but are afraid that their cushy jobs with all the trips abroad would end
So are they stealing our jobs or only coming here to claim benefits? Make your mind up!
So why does the government keep telling us the the foreigners aren't allowed to claim and aren't getting a penny. More lies.
Never mind Syria.....we need need to sort out our own mess....
Maybe Jamie Oliver will employ them all .
It's our fault not controlling immigration
And you wonder why all other services get cut, you cannot have such an influx without it costing somewhere.
Maybe allowed for 6 months and if not got job by then they have to leave country !!!!
Only in UK!! Benefits should be for UK citizens only. This country is a joke when it comes to benefits.
These migrants have no right to work in UK, but get the right to earn benefits. That is back to front for me.
why do we allow this, if your not a british citizen then you shouldnt be allowed to claim benefits...its not hard to grasp is it...go to the job center, show your passport, no passport, no benefits. 1 year with no work and no valid reason for it, benefits stop. simple
Always looking to involve "Africans". Your problem is the flood of Eastern Europeans who have come here mainly to claim free cash that come here freely without any restrictions not Africans. I don't know why this government can't just own up to the fact that they made a mistake with this whole EU thing instead of making Africans and Asians a scape goat...kmt. Red arrow all you like; it doesn't affect me.
This makes me sick... my 21 year old son was diagnosed with a brain tumor in January, subsequently having surgery then radical radiotherapy and he's been denied any kind of benefits and he IS a British citizen!!! As much as he wants to finish school and get a job, he can't.
...and what about the massive increase from Asia/Middle East?
406,000 out of millions and millions. Pales when you consider how much is being paid out to Nationals. As of Febuary of 2013, there were 5.7 million working age benefit claimants. 1.59 million people claiming Employment and Support Allowance. The number of working age claimants of ESA and incapacity benefits totalled 2.48 million. 505,000 lone parents claiming Income Support. 12.8 million claimants of State Pension, of these 40% were male and 60% female. 2.46 million claimants of Pension Credit (3.00 million including partners). 3.30 million recipients of Disability Living Allowance, 1.52 million recipients of Attendance Allowance and 631,000 recipients of Carer's Allowance. Finaly, as of May 2013, the total number of people claiming Housing Benefit was 5.07 million. So I'm not so bothered about 406,000 immigrants, we wouldn't really notice if they stopped claiming...
Solution: everyone has to work for a living. Why do people think that a welfare state is a good thing?
Don't tell our Prime Minister he's to busy trying to get backing to wage war.
The is ridiculous, the only way to stop this problem is to say that anyone entering this country has to support themselves and their families for five years before they are entitled to health, housing or any other kind of benefits. Stop the benefits to people who have been here for less than five years. I know it would be hard and a lot of money would be spent sending anyone home who could not support themselves but we have got to start looking out for ourselves.
Sounds like UKIP is your only hope.
Government has got to sort this - why should British people pay taxes for this?
I don't understand how so many are getting benefits, I am from Canada and have been here 2 years and my spousal visa says directly on it " not entitled to recourse of benefits..." or something to that degree. So how are so many other foreigners getting them? We had to show all our finance and prove we were able to live without claiming (partner is a teacher, I am at moment a stay at home mum) I just don't get it... even job seekers here, how long are you allowed on it? back home when I got laid off I was entitled to my Employment insurance benefit, which I paid into, for only 24 weeks then new job or not tough it ended. Why allow people to remain on benefits indefinitely when they are not ill or disabled? It's nonsensical. *stepping down from soapbox*
If you can claim without paying in, and you allow uncontrolled immigration to people with no jobs, any 6 year old could tell you the system will collapse. Ditto the health service. It is no good blaming fully paid up pensioners.
Hands up all those who think we're better off financially within the EU.
None of the major parties have the will or the courage to tackle this problem and they will just continue to give handouts to foreigners,who should not be entitled to them,indefinately,at the expense of their own people.
Polish neighbour said that he's back off to live in Peterborough next week "because the council are more generous with their benefits". U.K.I.P.
Its astonishing how many people I know are turning to UKIP.They are our only hope before things end up turning really ugly. Brits have had enough.
Its rather simple find work in 6 weeks or leave!!! Vote ukip.
NO!....DO YOU THINK....!
The amount coming in January will run into thousands more for us the British tax payer to keep.welcomed into our country by Cameron who assures us all that its making our country a better place. Cameron is akin to Nero, Fiddling while the country burns. Cameron is destroying the Tory party and that's why we are flocking to UKIP. It's our last and only hope.
This is complete madnesses and its only going to get worse. I've never been able to claim a single penny even though I've paid into it all my life...
JClarke3012, South West, United Kingdom, 29/08/2013 03:22 How do you know they will put an end to it? Didnt tories claim to deal with the immigration issue- nothing done. This is all labours doing!
We live in a country where people get paid for doing nothing and you wonder why people from other countries want to get in on the act. But Bob Geldoff has got his wish UK is now feeding the world or at least giving benefits to the world.
Just stop, yes stop, none, nil, no more payments for until we can 1. Afford it & 2.have a system we can reply on for benefits. It would stop, in an instant, whoever tries to claim for the wrong reasons!
And whays wrong with thay.Its what liebour wanted so lets live with it.I enjoy working 50 hours a week to pay for handouts.Time to sell up and go on the rock and role myself and reep the benefits.
And our inept bloody useless Government allows it to go on and on and on ............................. UKIP for me to stop this country been the toilet of the mighty EU
I still don't understand why we won't receive any benefits abroad but we just and give. Even though I don't one voter wants it. Thanks guys
B-b-b-but this MUST be wrong , because the Left has been telling us for years how much immigrants help the economy. Oh , hang on - could it possibly be that the DM article is CORRECT and that it's the Left who have lied through their teeth ? Hmmm.....
Kinda kills that whole immigrants are "harder working" myth doesn't it?
Come on people!! If Britain is a rich or strong country, it's because of Africa. Read the terrible history and find out what they have done and still doing to Africa.from the vibration on our mobile phones to the crown on our beloved queens head and many more... Say whatever you want to say to immigrants from other countries but not AFRICANS!!!
The next election can't come soon enough - for the sake of our children please vote UKIP.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system. - TheHerder , HappyLand, United States, 29/8/2013 02:35 --------------- Failed system indeed! It seems the poor British tax payer is subsidising large areas of the world together with immigrants from those same parts of the world, together with the immigrants from Europe. All of this would change dramatically if Britain had the good sense to rid itself of the infamous EU. The whole set up is a disaster.
And you people will still vote at the next election. DON'T VOTE!!!! When will you learn? Bobby, Leicester
No surprise there. Why go and get a job when the benefits system is so lucrative and you can sit and watch tv all day. The benefit system in this country encourages people to do nothing.
if you add dependents it is a huge amount of money we spend on immigration.Cant we just stop importing the low skilled from the four corners of the earth (and maybe offer incentives to those that will never be beneficial to go back)
Yeah and how many pensioners can't afford to eat or it their heating on in winter- this country is a disgrace! Stop letting people who haven't paid into the system claim.
It's so wrong because my friend moved here from Canada, she had to prove she had enough money to survive if she lost her job, enough money for a flight home... when she did lose her job through redundancy she wasn't entitled to any benefits and yet these people come over here and become a massive drain on the system...
Tell us something we didn't know. You see them walking around the streets all the time. There is no way they could support themselves without taxpayers assistance. They are clogging up the schools, clogging up the housing, clogging up the hospitals and drive on our roads without passing an UK driving test. Vote UKIP.
The British Tax Payer is a mug!
We need to get out of the EU
UKIP.
We cannot afford to keep on paying this money out. We MUST impose the sort of rule that was used when our welfare society was first established. If you have not paid in for a significant time then you get nothing!
I resent these payments to the people who have never contributed a single penny towards the welfare system. I am 71 and still work full time and pay my dues!
One years NI contribution and they can have a pension unlike us who are penalised if we don,t put in forty years.
I am an African immigrant myself....Every African immigrant I know has the bold words " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUND" stated in their visas. How then are they collecting these so called benefits?....this is all propaganda to make the statistics look good in my opinion....if they are able to bypass the systems with the above instructions on clearly stated on their visas, then the only ones to blame are the incompetent people dishing out the inexhaustible benefits. personally I am tired of paying £1000 monthly on tax an NI per month so that others can help themselves to my hard earned sweat....hard working tax payers could do with a tax free month per calender year!!!...we all need a break!! DM for once I will like to see an article about the £1800 an African highly skilled immigrant has to pay to renew their visas every 2-3 years. That will make a true and fair reading for once. DM please release my comments!!!!! its been 3 tries!!!
I was talking to a spanish guy the other day and i was asking him how come he moved to the UK if he liked it here and stuff like that. He said he had a job in Spain that pays him €1,500 a month plus his wife was working full time as well, they have two children. He said if he could get benefits he would stick around as life here would be "easier", if he didn't he would go back and take his old job and keep working. So is not only Romanian that's ruining the system, take a good look and stop being so racist! In my opinion only British people should get housing benefits, immigrants WHO PAYS TAKES should have limited access to it so no one would take advantage of it and they would stop breeding and asking for benefits.
British passport holders only should get benefits, and only those that have paid tax for a minimum of 5years. Put this billions saved into education and health services, housing and transport
Here's an idea DM, quit reporting the obvious that we all pretty much know and that way the hard working people who have to go to work early in the morning while all the lay abouts are still in bed waiting for re-runs of jeremy kyle dont have to feel miserable everyday thinking there going to work for nothing?
It will go our headstone " The UK was Generous but stupid"
Things will only get worse untill we have UKIP in government.
Oh well never mind, according to Cameron there is still enough left in my hard earned pockets to fund another war too, I must be richer than I even knew.
Wait until the floodgates open in 2014
Really ? ..... Well that for eign work-ethic argument didn't last long, did it ?
And you are surprised that we British are sick of working to pay taxes to keep these people who have put 0 into the system. Maybe we have become lazy because of this.
Cameron sits in his Ivory Tower planning air strikes while Britain sinks, This is not what I have paid taxes for all my life and will be voting UKIP. No one should get a penny unless paid into the system.
Do away with benefits to anyone not born in Britain. Yes you can come and live/work here. But dont expect a handout. If you pay tax for 3 years you can even use the NHS as long as you conitye in work. Otherwise you must carry private insurance. Until we say no the rot will continue.
It is only right that if people qualify they get benefits. The same benefits are there for you too, should you ever have the mis-fortune to require them.
Come on - make your mind up - one minute they're taking all our jobs and Jamie Oliver wouldn't have any restaurants without them, and the next minute they're all workshy scroungers? Have a careful look at where these supposed stats come from before making your judgement...
This is the war on our doorstep we should be fighting.
Just a short and (in)sincere thankyou to Tony Bliar from the bottom of my stomach for his generosity and kindness in allowing in 'anyone and everyone' from the A8 countries at a time when pretty much every other EU state said "No!" Bliar you are a traitor to this country and your party... but I gather the JP Morgan salary more than makes up for it eh? were you not part of the establishment you would have been in the Hague a long time ago!!
What have the public been saying ?! Yet, STILL, they allow those who come here to live can claim benefits and allowances without having put one penny into ''the pot'' ! Time to stop this unfair nonsense which is destroying this , once, lovely country.
Are the same payments offered to British citizens living in other countries in the EU, I don't think so, Britain is the laughing stock of the World.
It's absolutely disgraceful! It amazes me that everyone wonders why this country is going to pot. This is obviously the main reason. The system is being abused by immigrants and we the honest taxpayers are just sitting back and watching it happen and so is our government. Something needs to be done and fast as this is getting out of control and will only lead to trouble and unrest eventually. UKIP needs to be given a chance. Let's face it nobody could do any worse than this awful lot that are governing now.
open borders and soft politicians. don't ya just love em.
Well what a shock.... NOT! Blair said this would never happen and we all said it would and he called us racist so that the conversation could never be had and the problem brushed under the carpet.... he should be tried for treason
This has got to be stopped
I'm African and marjority of us works we came here to better ourselves and as soon as I get to where I want I'm going back as this country is a JOKE!!! the more you work you get taxed but the lazy you are you get rewarded.... Tbh UK people your country fellow men and woman are the ones you need to concentrate on cause without foreigners working their backsides off this country is going down and very fast as I've never seen lazy people that moan and moan about nothing in my life!!!! So get it right you need foreigners!!!!
At first I started to write to complain about this sorry mess our previous and present leaders have dragged this once great nation down to, but whats the use, nobody in our government is listening or give a rats a*rse in what I have to say. I'm sitting back now and WAITING, waiting for the next general election when I and many others like me can have our say and change the face of this country for the better, for the future of out grandchildren -UKIP
There is no greater pleasure then spending other peoples's money!
Tell us something we didn't already know! Despite what the government presumes, we are not complete fools!
Please don't keep printing stories like this DM. Because it really makes my blood boil and ruins my day and there's nothing I can do about it.
So lets get involved in another war to take the focus off immigration and what will happen in Jan 2014 !!!!!!
Overheard a group of immigrants at a local boot sale the other week one couple had bumped into another and their newborn baby. The first couple then said your ok now you've had a baby you will get to stay you wont be sent home. The UKs gone mad..... even immigrants know how to work the system and we are too PC to do a thing about it.
Coming to light now just what damage Liebour did when in power!
How come these people are allowed to walk in and pick up cash, here in OZ its 2 years after entering the country as a legal immigrant that you can get anything in benefits.
Another example of why I will be voting UKIP. get these people out of our country so we can look after our own.
So pleased that myself & my partner both have the pleasure of full time jobs and each have second jobs as we desperately try to save a deposit so we can buy our 1st house and then consider starting a family. Thank you so much dear government for allowing us the privilege of supporting so many people who have not added to our economy & thank you again for not giving a rats behind about us hard working uk tax payers. Would you like some of my blood too?
Really, sarcasm will not help.
Are we surprised? I'm so fed up of all this - I ask myself why do I bother working? The whole system is a joke - bring back the system from 1949!! UKIP are coming in......
I am sick of paying huge taxes to give a cushy life to work shy Brits and scrounging foreigners. So I'm moving to Oz where I'll get to keep more of my hard earned money. Britain is ruining itself with its lax laws.
Just what we wanted to read before going off to work to pay more tax to subsidise these scroungers! Send them back!
They should not be allowed in unless they have a job to come to and the employer pays sufficient to support that person fully. No family in unless the worker fully supports them and they have to leave when contract ends. If they do not enter the country legally then no benefit. Can we go to France looking for work and get housed free NO.
It is all too easy to get the state to support and pay for entire existance. Generally those that are prepared to work will receive little or even nothing at all, as they will most likely have have the determination and own personal respect to sort them selves out. When my wife was made redundant a month before giving birth, we where given nothing. Once we had the baby we receved state funded paternety pay, and nothing more. We where told that we could not get working tax credits or anything else for that matter. As my sallary was over £33,000 we where denied everything. Our Despite our mortgage being over £1200 a month, leaving us just £600 a month to pay for every thing else. Out out goings where £200 a month more then i was bringing in. We have both worked our entire adult lives, never claiming a thing and both paying both tax and NI for over 35 years between us. As i said, those who need a little help will always get an answer off no.
we have to start to encourage these people to go back to where they come from, not entice them here with free handouts, the sooner we leave the EU the better.
And I always thought we Brits were smart. Wrong!
When is this crass stupidity going to stop?
As one Bulgarian said to me 'the UK is golden land!` says it all really. The Government are on cloud cuckoo land as in January there will be many more claiments to add to the hundreds of thousands already claiming.
Madness Total Madness........Lunatics running the Asylum!!
I am an African immigrant myself....Every African immigrant I know has the bold words " NO RECOURSE TO PUBLIC FUND" stated in their visas. How then are they collecting these so called benefits?....this is all propaganda to make the statistics look good in my opinion....if they are able to bypass the systems with the above instructions on clearly stated on their visas, then the only ones to blame are the incompetent people dishing out the inexhaustible benefits. personally I am tired of paying £1000 monthly on tax an NI per month so that others can help themselves to my hard earned sweat....hard working tax payers could do with a tax free month per calender year!!!...we all need a break!! DM for once I will like to see an article about the £1800 an African highly skilled immigrant has to pay to renew their visas every 2-3 years. That will make a true and fair reading for once.
Makes me weep, we are fast losing services our children's futures are not secure, no housing for them, failing health service and education. Our pensions will be the next to be affected I've said or years if you've paid into a private pension to top up your government one you WILL lose your state pension as there will not be enough money. They will say you have to live on your private one as there is not enough money to pay for ones who have not either worked or saved for their retirement. Hard workers are on a hiding to nothing.
What a pity the Government cannot show the same enthusiasm on immigration control as it has for Syria where sabre rattling goes on at a high level, with costs already mounting. really what is wrong with British Politics ??
Anyone surprised by this news I doubt it.
Would I be able to claim benefits in these countries? No, I wouldn't. So why does this government think it's OK to spend OUR taxes on benefits for people who have never paid into the system? We cannot afford to keep the world and his mother in benefits.
While many of these have the right to claim benefits due to their coming from Commonwealth countries, there are many more from outside the Commonwealth. Having said that,neither group should have an automatic right and this must end now. We cannot afford it, and it only encourages greater immigration, which is damaging to this country. We have been a soft touch for far too long. The percentage by which the benefits bill has risen due to immigration is astonishing and must not be allowed to rise any further.
and they state the english young are lazy , what they talkin about
Wrong!
Our politicians must think every taxpayer in the UK has fool stamped on their forehead.{I don't mean fool really I'm being polite.
Why the hell are so many from Asia and the Middle East claiming benefits here?
been in UK for twenty yrs from Kenya. I always worked and paid my taxes. why can't this mess be sorted?
From the International Health Service to a International Benefits System, no wonder we are broke!
Don't understand why immigrants are eligible at all (or have free access to schools or NHS). There should be a suitable period and/or amount of employment/earning/tax paying before having access to pulic funds and services. This means come with private health insurance, have a secure job, and send your kids to a fee paying school. If conditions are breached after arrival, then go home or get a friend/family member to pay. I massively resent paying any amount of tax to subsidise health, welfare, and education of those who will never be a net-contributor to our economy.
Oh yes. And that figure most likely dosnt include the cost to the tax payer via the NHS and free education. I feel angry that genuine benefit claimants from is country are being stigmatised by the government for costing so much money and our elderly and disabled are suffering hugely when a large proportion of the problem is outlined in this report. Just disgusting.
We owe these people NOTHING.
These facts are truly unbelievable. Disgusting. Why Why Why are we paying these migrants "benefits" ?? These migrants governments won't pay them these "benefits". If I go to Poland, for example, I will not be able to claim "benefits", so why can Poles and other migrants come to UK and claim ? Millions of UK citizens are really struggling to keep their heads above water, yet, as quoted, billions is leaking out the back door.
I lived and worked in several overseas countries at no time was I entitled to any benefits in any of those places at any time.
@MH414.....totally agree with you. This is what I can't understand. Get one family member in and hey ho....
this government attacks our own sick,disabled, poor and pensioners and then give it all to parasites flooding this country with more to come next year.
From abroad - not working and claiming benefits? Then you must be removed and sent back to your home country ASAP. No 'human rights' rubbish or other silly edicts from the rubbish in Strasbourg - just get out!
WHY DO WE LET THEM DO THIS?! IT'S RIDICULOUS!!!
This is why we will be voting for UKIP A BRITISH PARTY FOR BRITISH PEOPLE we want our country back, and we will get it back......
When is any uk government going to stand up?Enough is enough.
And then there are the countrymen and women who work hard all their lives and put into the system non stop only to find they have eye watering hurdles to jump over when they, through no fault of their own, do have to use the system. These are the people who are entitled to use the system but the system fails relentlessly!! And then the government wonders why people are so angry...they haven't got a clue!!
Since we also have to pay housing and other benefits to non-uk "workers" on un-employment benefit, it would be cheaper to encourage them to go back home by continuing the un-employment benefit when they have gone. Cheaper still, just pay them the benefit back in Eastern Europe so they don't have to come here in the first place. We could estimate how many people will need it, and just send it over.
just wait until next year
Oh these must be the immigrants we need To boost the economy and pay the pensions of the retired!!!
Get out of the EU, dump human rights laws and vote UKIP or continue down this road. When the money in the coffers gets too low under Liblabcon our old age pensioners will have their money taken but this lot will still get theirs.
It's a joke. Nobody should be claiming any sort of benefits, not unless they have made a sizeable contribution to the pot. And we wonder why we are short of money. Not blaming immigrants, but it has certainly not helped out our own situation. We are set to do this all over again come Jan 2014. The majority will find work, the majority will pay taxes, but again there will be percentage forced on to benefits, and those that do work will get all the standards benefits of being in the UK, free schools, doctors, hospitals and other services. It all costs more and more money.
This proves that immigration brings only good things to the country. Well, as far as DWP staff are concerned who now have good old jobs for life again dealing with all these claims!
Time we dealt with it properly, no qualifications we want , no entry ! The problem will only escalate unless we get tough. Furthermore please remember a lot of these migrants travel across several European borders to get here. Still word is still out there that the UK is a soft touch !
I throught that charity begins at home. Lets see what spin that Mr C can come up with.
It appears to suit someone's political agenda - wait till the bubble bursts!
wish I were a foreigner in my own Country, I'd probably have more success with my benefit claim. I'd certainly be entitled to various different benefits and free courses if I was. That is my experience.
Now there's a superise
Meanwhile the state retirement age increases from 65 to 66 then quickly to 68 cos we can't afford to pay thepension. For who''ve worked for years but due to the kind of work and / or slight congenital illnesses / disabilities can't continue, even in apart time job because of their medical condition the futures very bad. If over a life time you saved at least £16k you get no financial support from the state. You are required to live off your savings until they run dry or the state pension becomes payable. For the aged with disabilities the future is not good. You'll work whilst you're in pain , then your employer will sack you when you can't do your job, then the state will squeeze you some more until you're broke financially, physically and mentally ... you'll be left to die in poverty because you were unlucky not to be born as physicaly strong as others or sustained injuries working! Meanwhite, those who've never paid into the system take all that you've paid in? How can this
Don't get me started..........
Nobody who hasn't paid into the system for x amount of years should be able to claim.
How can an illegal immigrant claim benefits?! That just sums this country up! A bloody joke!
Every man and his dog can claim and the UK is fast disappearing down the toilet.
No matter what evidence emerges, our politicians seem oblivious to the fact that immigration is NOT good for the UK. There is a simple solution and that is to stop all immigration now and stop payment of benefits to any illegal immigrant. Legal immigrants should receive no benefits unless they have worked here for a minimum of 5 years. Unless our politicians take positive action now then our whole benefits system will simply be crushed by the ever increasing numbers of claimants.
"Number of foreigners claiming UK benefits leaps 41% in 5 years: More than 400,000 now handed payouts that cost taxpayers billions each year." Well, well, well, who would have thought it, foreigners coming here to claim benefits. Come on Cable, grow a pair, come on Cameron, Clegg, Harman, Cooper, Blunkett, Straw and Balls, get some and stop this ludicrous insistence that foreigners all come here to work and instead once a foot is in the door they bring over the rest of their family or even families. All politicians were warned about this situation time and again over the last decade and longer but they all turned a deaf ear. Get a grip of immigration instead of following the PC brigade and their line.
Can I have a tax rebate please. The only benefits either myself or my ex wife claimed were a small amount of tax credit and child benefit. My children are out in the world supporting themselves and have been since they were 18 and none of us have been a burden on the NHS. As a single man living on my own I think if I lost my job, the chances of me ever being able to claim anything like the amount of benefits being paid to foreigners is very unlikely. I shall be voting UKIP because I am fed up of being taken for a ride by self serving politicians who have nothing but their own interests at heart.
Hang on, I thought they had a magnificent work ethic, and that they had come here to work and do the jobs the lazy British won't do. Isn't that what the Thought Police have been telling us? Now we see that not ony have they de-valued our job market, but they are quite happy to caim benefits paid for by the lazy British for the lazy British. As predicted by all but the most greedy employers and our strangely disconnected succession of governments, mass imigration is resulting in abuse and fracture in our society.
UK becoming America?
ARRGGGHHHH!!!!!!
To describe our politicians as misguided, deluded, incompetent, PC idiots would be the understatement of the century. And they are doing WHAT to fix this mess?
And yet the government still pedals the same myth that immigrants pay more in than they take out, if they know how many then they should be able to tell us how they are paying out and should publish the full cash amount per year of how much they are paying out, they will not as there will be uproar.
What a joke! How has this happened. I just don't understand this country. They are quite happy to continue to ruin us.
And this clown we have will do nothing to stop it he wants to go to war instead of getting our own country's problems sorted out.
Over to you Cameron, are we to hear more talk or see some action? I think I know what it will be as does everyone else.
We told you so and keep telling you. No wonder they all want to come here. Is it really necessary to say it? Vote UKIP!
It's all OK because Tony Bliar is going to foot the bill for all his little Darlings
No no no no! You should have to pay taxes for AT LEAST 1 year before you're eligible to claim benefits as an immigrant!!!
Cameron is doing nothing to stop it at all. Vote UKIP or we are doomed!
Thank you bLIAR!!!
And back in the real world British disabled are being forced back to work by a French company just to save money for the government. How many foreign disability claimants are being told to return to work or even start work for the first time. I can tell you, none. The government don't want to be called racist but its ok to attack our own who have paid taxes for years. Time this was looked at.
Don't worry, still a drop in the Ocean compared to the billions paid to British citizens!!!
Sorry regardless of what our EU friends say that we must pay the same benefits to all EU migrants living and working over here. You should have to pay in for at least 5 years to even start drawing any benefits.. I will also voting for a man called Nigel to sort out this mess..
and still they only target /demonise british claimants as feckless scroungers whilst paying not born/bred here people fortunes to come here to live ,cut the benefits to non brits they will soon stop arriving what can our blind politicians not see ?
Total reform is needed, the system is close to collapse. Time to have a flat rate payment which is payed in proportion to the number of years contributions, from say ten years contributions 100% to no contributions zero.
And our woolly political class do nothing. They wonder why we hate them - there is no money for our own and we have enough lazy people who could work. So that is why I shall be voting UKIP the only party that is addressing this and many more things our little posh boys (all three) have no idea about.
These costs are the tip of the iceberg when you consider the impact on the NHS, housing, education and other public services. Just how far can we be pushed before the worm turns.
If it is made so easy for them to claim benefits, who can blame them?. There are many immigrants that now work in the areas that dispense these hand outs i.e. dole, NHS, immigration dept., ,local council etc. etc. etc., do you not think they are not assisted or even fast tracked to handouts????????. COME ON UK. WAKE UP STOP BEING THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD.
UK, Social Services provider for the rest of the World. What the hell are our Politicians and Civil Servants playing at. Disgusted. I,m definitely voting UKIP!
These costs are the tip of the iceberg when you consider the impact on the NHS, housing, education and other public services. Just how far can we be pushed before the worm turns.
People that come into the Uk should be able to support themselves , not the British taxpayer
What a mess our country is in, I dread to think what our country will be like in 10 years time, we are swamped with people who should not be here, why does the goverment not listed to the people who pay their wages
More fool you lot...
Nice to see where my taxes are going, rather than funding better schools, health care and social security for workers and decent pension schemes.
We need to make it harder to get benefits we can't continue like this!
Hey you all must be wrong, leftys keep telling us that migrants are really good for our economy, after all there answers are always right as they get it from divine intervention.....Oh no wait... we are in the real world. I despise the left
Dumping Ground for illiterate and unskilled labour
Ha Ha now charge who for these mistakes
Words fail me.
And what about housing and the NHS. Bleeding our country dry vote ukip at all opportunities
Why?
This is a disgrace it seems working for a living is now out of fashion
Labour don't want a cap on benefits, benefits should be paid to those who pay into the system.
This goverment doesn't care as long as its not effecting them, let them keep coming more people that come even if they are here just for freebies they are potential voters.
It can be stopped......just change the rules. Make Britain great again rather than let it slip further down the drain. First call......stop child benefit, we do not need to encourage families to have more children. This is only adding to our huge bills and making future generations of families face child poverty while irresponsible adults breed for funding their lifestyles. Start this from today for all new additions. Our system is far too generous, workers and tax payers should not be responsible for lax birth control by others nor should those in power encourage this.
Why, why, why?
Infuriates me so much. We looked at emigrating to Australia but didn't have the skill set to get in there despite my husband having a good job over here. A different story in the UK we let anytime over and then pay them benefits too. This country is going to rack and ruin.
Told you so, it was on the cards.Everbody knows what a soft touch the British welfare system is. Could that be the reason that we have a problem with mass illegal immigration.
UKIP anyone?
There are 500 000 Brits who have never worked. If they each get the maximum 26k a year, it means they are taking home 13 billion a year... why shouldn't the Eastern Europeans be the same in our country, or should I say in this offshore region of the eu! Our government needs to grow some and start looking after the tax payer and the MOST unfortunate.. not the feckless!
No wonder there is a queue to get here and why the country's finances are out of control.
Look at the figures and look at the lumping of areas together, or in the case of the eu, seperating them.. you can see the biggest spongers are Europeans on our system. Asia and the Middle East are huge compared to Europe. Out of the eu and we could save billions.. in benefits alone!
So the truth is out, this is the real reason my wife has to wait until she is 66 to get her pension. We are a joke the scum of the world come here & hold their hand out for benefits whilst tax payers who have worked all their lives pay for it. I'll be voting UKIP.
Ok so most of it is Middle East and Asia maybe just maybe get someone to check whether every single of that claimants is legally here and if not buy them ticket home. Surely gonna be cheaper then all benefits they claim
Well Britain will not be a Great Britain in the future. We will be a poor country. We can't afford to sustain the whole of Europe and beyond! I can't understand why we ever joined the EEU - I think it was to be milked dry! We should be more like America.
And the Government wonders why our country is in such a mess! This country is seen as a joke to the free loaders, no matter where they are from.
And yet our hard-earned money is pumped abroad by Cameron to despots and other countries who don't even want our money. Whenever UK's 'foreign aid' is mentioned it makes me feel sick that our cash is being squandered when there are cancer patients we refuse to treat on cost-basis, firestations being disbanded, roads pitted with huge holes, a crumbling (International)HS..... We are funding millions of people from abroad, either in our tiny country or their dependents abroad as this article states. It's an absolutely diabolical state of affairs, looking after others when we can ill afford to.
There are 500 000 Brits who have never worked. If they each get the maximum 26k a year, it means they are taking home 13 billion a year... why shouldn't the Eastern Europeans be the same in our country, or should I say in this offshore region of the eu! Our government needs to grow some and start looking after the tax payer and the MOST unfortunate.. not the feckless!
And we wonder why we're in a mess. Yet when my husband was off sick for 3 months we couldn't get a penny because I worked 20 hours and they didn't care I had 2 children to care for. We look after everyone but our own.
no no NO. Immigrants come here to work, and only take the jobs we do not want to take, remember?? After all, our politicians couldn't be lying to us about that.....COULD THEY?
Your comments: The champagne socialists are MUGS.
we going to have another war soon so we got plenty of money.
This country has turned into a cess pit and the previous goverments should be held for treason
This is ridiculous. You should not be allowed into this country unless you can support yourself. Why should you be able to come here and have everything paid for you? And education should not be free unless you pay tax! Britain is actually hilarious how ridiculous it is.
So that's where all the tax pay in every month goes to.
And like the mugs we are we continue to be slaves to HMRC and the bigger mugs in parliament know it but cannot conjure up a mechanism to stop it. What creatures of habit we are. Whilst we work , work, work and pay, tax, tax ,tax these intruders grab, grab, grab all they can. And a good percentage can't even behave as they soak it all up
So come on left wing liberals.......defend this please? We are always told by the BBC and others that immigration has a positive effect on the UK economy and that we couldn't function without it. Well we could do without the huge benefits bill that they generate for starters!
Small amount compared to the amount of benefits claimed by MPs and civil servants pensions.
If migrants become unemployed within five years of coming here, they should either find alternative work immediately or go home. No benefits for them before they've paid in for five years minimum.
EU immigrants, well, we signed up for that, and lots of Brits are in EU countries. If they don't give out such generous benefits, that's our stupidity, not theirs. But WHY are any Africans at all in the UK? Stop ALL benefits to anybody who has not WORKED for a minimum of five years in the UK, and watch the boats fill up...
Your comments:how are these people eligible is beyond me
So although east europeans are working, most jobs are low paid so we the taxpayer top up their wages with other benefits. Therefore the employers are paying them low wages which we the taxpayer have to also fund so we the taxpayer are paying for these employers to make an even bigger profit !!!.
Not surprised where I live a homeless Romanian woman with 3 children was given a 3 bedroomed semi with front and back gardens ahead of people who have been on the waiting list for years and who are working, she has never put a penny into the system but reaps everything council tax, child benefit etc .The children go to school locally and yes she is self employed selling the big issue I am an alone when I think something needs to be done.
The only thing that will resolve this is further cuts the benefits. It is the ludicrous sums and the comfortable lifestyle that can be afforded by these claimants at the expense of the hard working individuals who are don't constantly moan about there human rights and how there cat will suffer if they go out to work.
In my opinion ,if we brought a law out that excluded any foreigner from claiming benefits un til they had worked and resided here for a number of years,then not only would it half the amount of people coming toy our shores ,it would mean that the ones that do are genuine!
The current situation is unsustainable. The influx of EU workers has driven down wages, forced many British workers to accept pay cuts, and some to lose their jobs to cheaper immigrants. As wages are driven down the tax take is also lower, but the amount paid in benefits rises, to cover child tax credits, working tax credits, housing benefit, unemployment benefit etc. There is also extra costs for housing, education, health. I would like a politician to explain exactly who in this country, open borders are benefiting. It certainly is not the ordinary worker.
I can imagine me going to East Europe or Africa and being paid benefits. The country is an absolute shambles run by incompetent politicians of all ilk.
Cancel the lot make it means tested ONLY & ONLY if you have contributed TAX/NI for 5 years minimum PER adult anything else is a complete travesty.
Next year you will be wishing that was all it was, when you get them all, shows how the UK needs imigrants to survive as the MP's like to tell us
A lot of immigrant groups are now into their second and third generation so that those cultures that perform very badly and rely on benefit's won't be reflected in these figures.
The only fools who did not expect this are the politicians who are supposedly in charge, never mind we, the tax payer, will pay. Now when were we asked........
I wonder how the statistics would look if they showed NON-EU/Commonwealth against EU/Commonwealth recipients? I think, then we would see an even bigger balance.
thought Jamie Oliver said immigrants are better and harder workers if he didn't make them work 80-100 hour's a week he could hire some more doing the normal 40 hour week and in the mean time helping the country get rid of some of the foreign benefits scroungers
This is the legacy that Blair and Labour have left us. Blair and Brown ran the worst government ever
This is disgusting, there should be no way of being able to move into this country if you are unable to support yourself & your family, why do we have to fund the lives of people who haven't bothered putting a penny in themselves? If you move to this country you shouldn't be able to claim benefits straight away or be entitled to free healthcare. There needs to be some big changes in this country.
Jamie Oliver did you read this. not everyone for abroad is hard working and wonderful. it is also true that not all Brits are lazy and workshy..
if you haven't contributed to our taxation and national insurance system for at least 5 years, then you shouldn't be allowed to claim anything from it. Nowhere else in the world is this allowed to happen, its no wonder we are full of immigrants with many more entering illegally every day. Time to get it sorted and say NO
Do they really think if we went to their countries we could get the same treatment, not a chance
Since when were we responsible for Africans and those from the Middle East? Not enough that we have a huge influx from Eastern Europe...where I live it's gone from being a place where people knew each other to a land of foreigners and no longer a place I know.
"Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits ."- williamcook07 , lincoln, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 04:07---------------------Even that is the tip of said iceberg as after 3 years arrivals can claim citizenship and hence no longer count as foreigners.If we were to ever be shown the figures for those who were born abroad or whose parents were born abroad the stats would be staggering.
That's O.K. there's still a couple of bob left to steal from the hard (and ever harder and longer) working middle and the savings of the thrifty. At least we'll be able to house them properly when Nick Boles' concrete Britain gets going. With friends like our politicians......................
This needs to he stopped our only hope is UKIP.
Meanwhile, our own sick and disabled are having their benefits cut. We should be sending these people home if they cannot support themselves which would free up housing, hospital and school places and reduce the financial impact on already over burdened taxpayers. Despite successive Government messages that immigration is good for the UK, under such circumstances, it is most definitely not.
Take a page out of Australia & New Zealand make it harder for them to get in and if they do have a stand down period of say 2 yrs.
Will any surprised P.M.s please stand up for the U.K., for a change.?..............Con. member.
VOTE UKIP....shocking stats that are only going to get worse with foreigners coming here. Africans coming and claiming off our benefits system that our parents have paid into for years and didn't even claim from. Absolute Joke of a country. Welcome to multicultural Doogooder Britain.
And the Government wants more immigration, with a right to vote in any EU referendum. Folks! we have a rouge Government that needs to be stopped, look how close we have come to a third world war under Cameron recently. They are all out of control and living in their own reality, not ours.
Schools bursting at the seams with migrant children,NHS that can't cope and they always go to the top of the social housing while our own military service personnel sit behind them in the queue, they are here for the benefits only and have destroyed our country in doing so, this government and the previous one should hang their heads in shame, can't wait till January.
WHEN ..............WHEN............WHEN.........will our damn politicians DEAL WITH THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh dear.You will certainly need all the luck in the world in the next ten years or so. Tax payers in the U.k. you really were sold a pup all those years ago.Oh well.
Joining the EU is quickly getting you down to their level!!!!!!!
SOFT JOHNNY ENGLISH..... THATS US
Why else do you think they came here.......the weather???
Are not the recipients cross referenced through the various agencies that employ them (carrying out CRB checks etc.), and any benefits re-charged to the Country of their origin, as with Health Care and appropriate Medical insurance?
Students shouldn't be receiving any benefits. If they are coming here to study they should be able to fund their education and their stay or they should be asked to leave. Or are these students of these so-called universities that were closed because they were nothing but fronts for getting people into the country? In which case they are here under false pretences and again they should be made to leave.
Our country is being swamped by foreigners and our welfare system is being plundered by them. Why, for God's sake, can our politicians not see this AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT?
Just when are our governments going to wake up to the FACTS?
There is only ONE answer, vote UKIP in 2015. They will cancel HS2 Get us out of the EU, get us out of the Human (criminal) Rights Act and stem Immigration.
And what have they contributed? No pay in, no pay out.
What does this country expect, when we have an open door policynand let everyone in.
Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits . - williamcook07 , lincoln, United Kingdom, 29/8/2013 04:07***I've no problem with that if they are working. Plenty of ;natives' have NEVER worked & claim ALL the benifits; We know an English family living in France that haven't had any incme for 3 years and they are on FRENCH benifits whilst only contributing to the French ststem for 2 years. It doesn't only happen in the UK. British people also claim benifits abroad................take a look at the Spanish figures for the number of UK nationals claiming Spamish benifits.
a total of 406,900 non-UK nationals were claiming work-related benefits such as jobseekers¿ allowance, incapacity benefit and disability living allowance in the year to February 2012. COME ON THEN I.D.S. JUSTIFY THE ABOVE STATEMENT, OR IS IT EASIER FOR THE DWP JUST TO PENALISE OUR OWN CITIZENS. ????????????
Put Blair on trial!
stop this nonsense now, unless you have put in for at least ten years you get nowt! zilch! nicht! nyder! nothing! zero!
Just one more thing to thank Bliar for then.. of course no one in the current coalition seems in a hurry address the problem. EU OUT NOW PLEASE!!
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid ..
PLEASE EXPLAIN how can anyone claim benefits from Britain if you are not British ?? this so stupid ..
I'm a Brit living in France and I'm desperately looking for work here --- there is no equivalent of JSA unless you've previously paid into the system. To make matters worse all the information available IS ONLY IN FRENCH.
I'm fed up with this country having to put up with cherry picking benefit scroungers from Eastern Europe and third world countries. UKIP it is!
Frankly, I don't care if they're foreigners or not! If they're taking advantage of this ridiculous system then they're hurting the average, hardworking tax payer
Makes my blood boil. I thought we were going to get a grip on this sort of thing. UKIP can't come soon enough for me.
The UK is now being milked like a dairy cow, our kids futures are really looking bleak. I never thought the UK would be destroyed like this.
As the figures have shot up in the last two years, it makes a nonsense of Duncan Smith's endless statements that he has stopped it all........... He seems content to penalise low paid and out of work Brits who have paid in, leaving many homeless and even poorer, whilst hurling money at foreign nationals who have not paid a penny into the system. The numbers will really explode next year when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive.
And what's dodgy Dave gonna do about it? Exactly, nothing......nothing whatsoever. VOTE UKIP and get out of the EU NOW.
I find it appalling that the management of the UK's financial affairs have been allowed to sink into such a diabolical situation. The Civil Service is inundated with an overpaid under performing staff, in drastric need of a completely new restructureing,quite impossible with the abilities uuf the current parliament.
Can't wait to read the comments
Ah the same ones that are suppose to be bringing their knowledge and wealth here I suppose.
If they can't contribute.....send them home. QUICKLY! The UK taxpayer does not want them here as sponges to our stretched system. Thanks a bundle for your "Take all" immigration policy Mr.Blair, you have messed my country up a treat.
don't give them a bean
STOP ANY MORE IMMIGRATION BEFORE THE FLOOD GATE OPEN NEXT YEAR.WHAT ARE THE BRITISH PEOPLE WORKING FOR,TO GIVE THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO DONT DESERVE IT, AND DONE NOTHING FOR THE COUNTRY.
its ok if the UK goes bankrupt, as long as 'johnny foreigner' is well kept that's ok NOT!!!
Just maybe the DM will take up a campaign and do something rather than wind everyone up with the constant depressing miserable stories.
THE LABOUR PARTY'S LEGACY
This is what you should be dealing with Dave. Leave Syria alone and sort Britain out first
why are we giving them these handouts? they should get exactly what they get in their home contry nothing more.
The reason the Government can't see this is because they think it is normal! All you have to do is sick your nose into Westminster and take a look at the support staff and see how many are from this Country!
Well they are not here for the weather are they...!!!
It is quite simple to cure this. If you haven't contributed for 5 years, you get nothing. If that was implemented, I wonder if we'd get so many wanting to come here?
Are you reading this Tony and Gordon?
Welcome to Britain, Should read " sorry we're full ". The UK has become a joke people should not be allowed into the UK unless they can support themselves... period.
And does the Government really care, of course not....its us that are paying.
Free money and they will keep coming and coming. The country is finished. Get out of the EU and stop feeding the world, Mr. Cameron
why...?...benefits should only be for citizens...and only if they qualify.
If this situation carries on it will not be long before there are more claimants than taxpayers, and we all know that this will lead us in to Carey St. The folly of our politicians is boundless.
And a lot of them don't even speak English, an interpreter is needed to help them claim benefits, adding to the financial burden.
It really is about time that the benefits system had an overhaul. We need a system similar to many countries in Europe whereby the level of benefit payments are based on what the individual has paid in - i.e. someone who has never worked or contributed should get vouchers whereas someone who has worked all their life and been made redundant should get a payment based on their wage. A much fairer system all round.
Yet still they are doing nothing about the influx of Bulgarians and Romanians that will start in January! If Britain came out of the EU it wouldn't be forced to pay these ludicrous benefits.
Nice to at last seen a breakdown of British and non British claimants. So much for the lies about the economic benefits of immigration being force fed to us over the years. In reality the quality of most of the immigrants over many years has been abysmally low, and a big drain on our diminishing resources!
they should not be allowed to claim any benifits for atleast 5 years and if they come here disabled im sorry but why should we pay for a disabled person from another country, this is just not fair on the tax payer and on brits that try to claim but get refused total madness.
Remember all the assertions that immigrants weren't claiming benefits, largely because they couldn't? Just like the claims that among disability benefit claimants there were infinitesimally low rates of fraud. that the rate of fraud. Both drivel.
Welcome to benefit Britain!!
Really wish this could be a Great country again .We need to sort our borders out and get out of the E.U NOW . But sadley the gates have been open so long we cqn not get rid of the ones who are here already .
Welcome to the land of milk and honey,but mainly MUGS.
Should be so simple. Uk benefits paid to UK nationals. Foreigners should get nothing. What would we get in another country?
Shocking. Why does Britain put up with such nonsense from the EU? This is not sustainable. Disaster on the horizon.
This country is ******* joke!
yet the government still tell us the migration is palying a major part of the recovery of the uk........and to think we the romanians and the bulgarians all welcome to the land of milk and honey. Sick of reading about this all the time,and then you get the likes of posh boy jamie oliver slagging off the brits just so he can justify emplying foreign workers for cheap money.
Englands problems solved in 4 words, STOP THE WELFARE STATE
We already knew this and it's completely and utterly immoral and wrong, because it is robbing us tax payers to pay for those who haven't contributed a penny. My vote goes to the party who commits to sorting this farce out.
And they worry about a few Pensioners claiming extra benifits while living abroad having paid their taxes all their lives ,sort out the problems of scroungers from around the world first.then worry about the minority.
In Spain I cannot claim a penny and it belongs to the evil EU, why?
Just vote UKIP and put an end to this madness.
Is this really news , I could see this coming years ago . What did the labour government actuall expect ? Shut the stable door after the horse has bolted !
....... thank you Mr Blair and Brown for allowing this to happen under your watch ....... And Labour still fail to acknowledge there is a problem and fail to communicate any future policy of how t deal with their mess ......!!
Governments too busy starting wars to care
You are sadly deluded if you think that the numbers of Bulgarians and Romanians coming next year will be only in the tens of thousands. It will be in the hundreds of thousands in the first few months, then unstoppably rise into the millions. In the meantime, the word has spread around the world about the asylum scam, and how one can live the life of Riley in England without ever having to work again. But the politicians will allow the complete disintegration of the UK, rather than take an axe to the benefits system, which would be the only remedy.
Even these figures are just the tip of the iceberg a big % of EU migrants with children on low wages receive child allowance and tax credits which are not classed as benefits .
These figures do not include all the immigrants receiving tax credits or child tax credits, which is another eye-watering figure. Nor do they include asylum seekers, who pay no rent, no council tax, no bills, no travel expenses, thanks to the generosity of the British taxpayer. Well I'm one tax payer who has had enough, and I will be voting for a man called Nigel to sort out this mess.
101,000 Africans claiming benefits...According to the census there are about 130,000 in the UK. ... So much for immigration that they must be able to support themselves to come here. A failed system.
Is it not oblivious, one worker from a "family" gets a job and pays N.I> then that becomes the gateway for the entire extended family to come to the UK for free education, health care and benefits. Not quite what the welfare state was designed for - this is why it's failing. If I can see this happening why can those in power not cure the problem - Political Correctness?
"So if I was to go and take my neighbour's car and drive it around, it would be a civil matter .....and the police could not arrest . Clearly not but I'd like a lawyer to explain why there is a difference in the theft of a car from the theft of a house. - Amanda Prole, Uk, Sorry to tell you Amanda but your neighbour doesn't 'own' their car. They may be the registered keeper. They signed it away when they registered it with the DVLA, that's why they can take it away and crush it. Same goes for your children when you registered their birth. Read 'your strawman'
Disgusting, what are they doing here anyway? Throw them out.
this country is a joke
Call a window company, arrange to have every door and window in the house removed. When the company arrive to do it, call the police and tell them it's your house, you can do what you like with it!! Would be cheaper than the cost of otherwise evicting these vermin. And I'd write to the elctricity copany saying these creatures took over occupancy and have a tenancy agreement to prove it!! Let them sort it out!
A total lack of common sense. This is happening more in Walthamstow. Surely the "legal" document is false and the person who allegedly took a £2000 deposit should get done under "obtaining money under false pretences". Or perhaps the "tenants" got someone to print out a false agreement? Then that's fraud? Both of those are criminal acts surely? Waltham Forest Council I hope are chasing the new squatters for Council Tax.
MADNESS!!!!So if someone breaks into your house and leaves the house then they are breaking the law and police treats them as suspects and criminals but if someone breaks into your house,steals your things,is ruining your property and decides to stay then it becomes a civil matter and you have to sue them and spend thousands of pounds to get them out of your house.Put the hand cuffs and throw them in jail and send them back where they came from.
I think it.s about time the Law was changed on this matter, How can u just move into someone,s house, the mind boogles, Only in the U K can this happen, Police should be checking the visa for all involved,This poor Women is going to have to spend a small fortune to resolve this in the Courts, Good Luck to u Mrs Masons,U are going to need it, This could take forever to sort out.
Some Police Stations close at night, I wonder how the Police would react if a bunch of squatters moved in during the night and changed the locks. I am willing to be they would immediately class it as breaking and entering and arrest the lot. Saying breaking into people's homes is a civil matter is the easy option, no crime to record and no work to do!
mel w, england. What a good idea of having the dogs go in. They do not like dogs, so the bigger the better. Drill the lock off. Who can arrest you for doing something on your own property. The law is an ass.
I can not believe the law on this has not been fixed already. So anyone can nip around to thier neighbours house, break in, change the locks and the police would just let it happen would they. I think not because only the unlawful are given a free ride in Britain and not theaverage honest individual. Efficetively what the UK legal system are saying people is, do not involve the police and resort to violence to get these people out. If not you face 8 costly months of misery while it goes through the courts. - Dan, Essex, 18/1/2012 13:53 I think I agree with you Dan but please improve your English so that we can have a clearer understanding what you are saying.
I wish someone would break into a police station or No:10, change the locks and brandish a tenancy agreement - then see just how that pans out... it is beyond comprehension that this flaw in the law hasn't been resolved. Poor woman!
they broke in ? so that is breaking and entering !! the police should arrest them and deport the lot !! this govt should make a law against these parasites asap !!
Here in the U.S a faction of the "occupy" movement believes in universal housing and has begun breaking into foreclosed homes and squatting in them. Hope this doesn't make it to your shores because it seems your laws are less defined than ours. I wonder what will happen when our illegals begin squatting and I wonder what will happen to you when your "occupiers" catch on to universal housing.
The law really has to change. How can it be so easy for complete strangers to break into your home and live there and not be arrested. These blockers will also leave a filthy mess behind. I feel very sorry for Mrs Mason as she'll have difficulty selling it now.
So if I was to go and take my neighbour's car and drive it around, it would be a civil matter .....and the police could not arrest . Clearly not but I'd like a lawyer to explain why there is a difference in the theft of a car from the theft of a house.
This cannot be entirely accurate surely. These people have trespassed and broken into somebody's private house. Why can't the police do anything about it? What exactly are the police for any more, they don't seem to be able to do damn all - have all their powers been removed? I despair of this country, these damn low lifes are making a mockery of all held sacred in this country and nobody can do anything about it. Before long there will be a mightly backlash and people will take the law into their own hands and it will be because of this governments lack of taking to task these people who probably have no right here and should have simply been thrown out on their ears. I am completely disgusted at what is happening to my country.
No words can describe how disgusting this is. Squatting is wrong. Once again brutal are being let down by the so called government. Mickey mouse could do a better job of running this country.
Offer to rent it to the council. They'll soon get them out.
I suspect they wouldn't dare do this in their own country, why do we allow it here?. It's so obviously breaking and entering, if the law isn't changed before long, communities will have to resort to policing their own neighbourhoods to stop this sort of thing happening again and again.
If she needs to lend my kids and a Great Dane, she can.........2 hours and they'd soon move out.
How can it be a civil matter when they broke into the house? Last I heard that was against the law. Come on, police, grow a pair and throw the bums out! Remember whose taxes pay your salaries.
The property was left unattended and unfurnished. If you were a Moldovan immigrant, homeless and walking around London with young children. You would do the same. There's a housing crisis you know? - robert miles, cumbria, 18/1/2012 8:53+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Nobody asked them to come here.
I am originally from Moldova and, don't get me wrong, but they look nothing like Moldovans. I am not being racist, but no one from another country would really want to move to Moldova (it's the poorest country in Europe), so the race has stayed as it was from centuries ago. We love foreign people coming to visit us! But I'd think they were mad to want to stay. So there is no chance that they were Moldovan. May I kindly ask the Daily Mail to check their facts before they damage the reputation of Moldovans. Either way, I do agree that squatting should be better regulated.
I don't understand on a number of points. 1. I don't have to pay for the electricity for my legal tenant so why do they for a bunch of people who are trespassing. 2. The owner should just wait until everyone goes out for the day, break in through the back door as they did and take occupancy. honest mlaud, that junk on the garden was there when I arrived. 3. put webcams up watching their every move 4,. a tenancy agreement is null and void if the person issuing it doisn't have a legal right to do so otherwise you all owe me a lot of rent you mail online readers, pay up.
Thanks to all the politicians from the last 100 years for not sorting this sort of mess out. Shame on you all.
how come squatting is not a crime? luckily it's not so in my country as many are forced to rent even a small room in slump areas and there's no housing benefit system here.
Their tenancy agreement is not worth the paper it is written on, and since when did you have to break into a house that you are renting. This is an appalling story once again of lawlessness in this country. Just come in and do what you like. My heart goes out the owners, as their life will be hell for months now. The government should address this law immediately...
police or no police i would reclaim my house with every force and means necessary, takes the mick that the police are powerless which i can't understand why they are powerless?? the are taking something which doesn't belong to them which in my eyes is the least theft and another law is tresspassing??? this is why we should be out of the EU and quick before we get another influx of Eastern Europenas bleeding our country dry x
I am a Gas Safe registered engineer. I regularly carry out gas inspections for rented properties. This is a legal requirement for the landlord to arrange. I wonder if this property has a certificate in place. Even if it does, it is recommended that when a property changes hands a new certificate is done. This would be the perfect time to arrange an engineer to visit the property and cap the gas meter(since its her property, she can have the meter capped if she wishes, certainly if the 'tenant' refuses entry). Im not an electrician, but surely she could do the same with the electric..
Whether they are eastern europeans or any other nationality,our once great nation is being invaded and without a shot being fired. Unlike in 1914 and 1939 we are surrendering,we just have not got the will to do anything about it.
How can breaking and entering be a civil matter? Surely that's against the law? What a stupid country we live in. Someone should take a shotgun and threaten to shoot them if they don't get out pronto. Presumably the Police would act if someone did that?
We are always reading about this in the newspapers, please stop reporting it! They must hear about it then tell their friends. Also If only they would STOP giving free legal aid to foreigners this would stop all the 'human rights' and silly laws. Close the loophole! What Politicians do not seem to realise, is that everything has an affect on everything else. Giving 'rights' away to people who do not live in this country is making us less civilised.
I'm not condoning ''Squatting '', BUT is this really a case of Squatting? After all, The family had a ''tenancy agreement'' from a Sharon Wright from December 28, and paid £2,000.? If so, did they believe they were in the right? After all, the Police examined the ''Agreement'', and was it them who refused the mobile number? If this is true, then it is a case of Fraud ? It is also no longer a Civil matter, but a crime!
Successive LibLabCon governments have promised to put an end to this outrage, and none have even scratched the surface of the problem. If you want change, vote for it! Also, outside the EU, we would be free to remove these spongers back to their own country.
Can Cameron sort this out when he's finished fantasying with Sam? No he can't. What a total waste, a plonker from the Bullingdon Club
Break in and start squatting in your own house, what can the illegals do?
I'm prepared to go and help "remove" the squatters... Anyone with me?
Gutless law enforcement .Cameron if you really want to gain many votes tackle issues like these, Or should home owners take the their own decisive measures.Theft and trespass pure and simple. Fix the law and quickly.
All EU resident must either be employed or if not must register with immigration within 3 months and take out private health insurance. That is EU law. Strictly enforced in Cyprus and we deport Brits who don't comply.
Problem? What problem? The attitude of government Ministers to the heartbreaks suffered by law-abiding British citizens that are caused by these squatters seems to be "I'm alright, Jack !". Ministers simply do not care about you !
What about the owners human rights to sell their own home?? Breaking and entering - how could that never be a criminal offence? How about starting with the theft of a supermarket trolley and a check on money laundering and fraud based on the payment of £2000, Surely the owner can cancel her payments and inform the Energy/Utility companies of the situation?. The irony is that they will probably get legal aid and she faces a huge legal bill. Yet again a win win situation for lawyers, hence the reason why laws are never in favour of the law abiding citizen.
Thieves and v ermin, the streets around that house should help them evict them, they can't arrest everybody for "unlawful eviction"
In the picture the TV is switched on. I wonder if the police checked if they had a valid licence ? - John Johnstone, Moscow, Russia. - - - Hello John. In the UK it doesn't matter if the televsion is switched on, if it's in the house then the license fee is due. One would hope that the police thought the legal owners had enough on their plate without checking their TV license while they were making sure the squatters were doing nothing illegal. Be assured that the TV license authority will be on the case within a week of a license lapse, and will issue threatening letters and send enforcement officers to see the occupants.
Thieves and vermin, the streets around that house should help them evict them, they can't arrest everybody for "unlawful eviction"
Turn off the electric,water and other utilities if possible, go in and remove any of their property if possible. Get in to the house,make it unbearable for them to live there and force them out. It is unacceptable that anyone, either from this country or not, can live in someone elses property and there is no way to remove them. It's disgusting.
Since when are trespassing and breaking and entering legal? Britain has gone completely bonkers...
They are Moldovan,not in EU ,here illegally,eject!
Stories like this make me sick to the stomach. When will these legal loopholes be closed and police given more immediate powers to remove squatters?? "Mr Popescu, do you have any ID to prove that you are in any way legally linked to this address? No? Then you're trespassing and outta here!" This Country has really gone down the pan.
Its illegal here and England should follow ASAP.
Would it be against the law to kick the door in (to your own home) and physically throw them out? England is a laughing stock here in America (if only you knew). It used to be a country we looked up to in some ways, now in no ways at all. The richest third world country on earth...Don't agree? It's run like a third world country....and that is EXACTLY what it is. Your cops are useless, worse than useless. Very sad for the average folks over there, sack your government officials and take back your honor for Godsake! Sorry to rant, but England is not geared for its people anymore and gives all the jobs and opportunities to unworthy immigrants and bleeds your economy dry and you do NOTHING ABOUT IT!
The house still belongs to the owners so let them take out all of the windows and doors and see how long the squatters stay after that.
Could someone please explain to me how this possible.? How is it that some people can move into your house and the police not do anything??? Really perplexed. ...can not get my head around it. How could a law like that exist ?
'The salt in the wound is that I even have to pay for the electricity they use while they are in there' - Not if you phone the electric company (as well as the gas, phone and water companies), tell them you no longer live there and have no intention of paying the bill and I assume they'll cut off the supply?! Can't see anyone wanting to live there too long with no heating, light or water....!
She will have to either take the law into her own hands ( and there are plenty of Russians here who would help her for a few hundred pounds )or bribe them to leave . Neither is satisfactory but until the politricians start listening to the people of this country what can you do ? I wonder if any benefits are being paid to this address ?
And that's why I'm glad we moved here to Canada. It certainly doesn't and wouldn't happen here. One call to police and the squatters would be heavily handled outta the door. But don't keep blaming UK police - their hands are tied by the spineless government - hence why my husband quit his job and now polices here where cops are actually respected and given support from the government.
This may be a case of a fraudulent tenancy agreement rather than squatting. The proposed changes to the squatting laws will make little difference here. Landlord-Tenant disputes will still be civil matters, so that an unscrupulous Landlord could not use the squatting law to summarily evict a tenant over a dispute. It should not take months to establish rightful ownership and prosecute for fraud.
Why don't decent citizens set up groups to force the illegal sqatters out of people's lawful homes. If the police won't presecute the squatters they shouldn't prosecute their opponents.
The matter of this house will of course be raised in the House of Commons especially by Europhiles Nick Clegg and the LibDems -- LOL!
Simple answer phone the electric company, the gas company and the water. Tell them you are the owner and want the utilities cut off as you will not be responsible for the bills. If they refuse tell them you won't pay and happily go to court to put your case over. At the moment whilst the bill is yours., the minute they turn on even a light it becomes theft ( as they are not intending to pay )which is a criminal offence and they can be arrested. Tell the police to do their job !
It would not be a CIVIL MATTER if it was a coppers house,.
I reckon if any of our politicians have bothered to read this story they have probably tutted and thought to themselves that someone should do something about it. Then returned to filling in their expenses claim form. Green arrow if you just KNOW how you would sort this out.
I get it - when I buy a house, I am literally buying it for squatters, not for myself, how sillly of me to think other wise. This story boils my blood!
This article is a showcase DM piece. Sad-face picture to lead off; the value (and a picture) of the house effortlessly worked into the story; foreign, pregnant, scrounging 'villains' and ineffective police. However, without a celebrity, TV or film tie-in, the story is too difficult to grasp. Surely there must have been a made-up 'squatter' story on television that this can be compared to so that readers can understand what's going on?
Were it my house I would immediately embark on 'home improvements'. Remove the cheapest door with a 7lb hammer, throw out the squatters, occupy the property, and when the Police turned up.... deny everything! Then order everyone off my property and tell them all it's a private matter and nothing to do with the law! Illegal? Only if you're fool enough to admit anything.
No words can describe how disgusting this is. Squatting is wrong. Once again brutal are being let down by the so called government. Mickey mouse could do a better job of running this country.
The authorities don't care about the house owners because they are white and English. There's nothing to gain for the race hustlers and government busybodies by becoming involved.
this is mind boggling. In the US this type of thing is a crime and should be in england as well. Can the property owner turn off access to utilities (elcetric and water). the tenancy agreement is clearly fraudulent. why can't the police cite the squatters for fraud? can't understand this at all.
What happened about the law being changed? Another broken Cameron promise to add to the long long list.
do not understand why England isn't tougher on these rats. Something has to be done or they will over run the entire country! - Deb Harris, Hudson Valley, NY, 18/1/2012 1:49 Sure Deb everyone is frustrated with the law not protecting these homeowners but calling them rats and saying that they will overrun the entire country just makes you sound like a Nazi.
As the owner of the property, I would remove all the doors and windows. Let the 'tenants' take it up with their 'landlady'.
What are these Moldovans doing here anyway? Instead of this couple and her home being thrown to the wolves by ineffectual, lying politicians and others, who are too busy hounding people with disabilities or elderly people, they should get to grips with the REAL problems in this country. This country is overcrowded and a magnet for dangerous terrorists, scroungers, criminals, baby-making machines, forged passport-bearers, sham marriage-arrangers, metal-thieving, cable-stealing scum and greedy capitalists and bankers!
In the US if this happened you could legally shoot the intruders if they refused to leave.
This is, yet, another example of how mass immigration and the Open Border Policy has enriched our country - not!
Try as I might, I cannot get my head around this. It is not their house - why can the police not throw them out? They are trespassing on private property. In addition, why does she have to pay for electricity? Why can't she have the power and the water turned off? I do not get it at all.
Lazy, lying Police! Breaking and entering is NOT a civil matter. IF, these people broke in through the back as the article states then it is a criminal offence and obviously a Police matter. IF they turned up and found the door flapping in the wind, or someone else broke in and gave them a key, then the owners need to take a civil action and ask the court for an eviction notice, it won't take long. But of course the incredibly lazy British Police Farce would much rather just assume there was no offence committed and give up before they even start
I can not believe the law on this has not been fixed already. So anyone can nip around to thier neighbours house, break in, change the locks and the police would just let it happen would they. I think not because only the unlawful are given a free ride in Britain and not theaverage honest individual. Efficetively what the UK legal system are saying people is, do not involve the police and resort to violence to get these people out. If not you face 8 costly months of misery while it goes through the courts.
Try as I might, I cannot get my head around this. It is not their house - why can the police not throw them out? They are trespassing on private property. In addition, why does she have to pay for electricity? Why can't she have the power and the water turned off? I do not get it at all.
I think the DM could provide a great service to us by publishing the addresses needed so that the writers on here could send their views to their MP's and to Dave Cameron. Maybe we could reclaim our own Country. What about it DM??
What a load of boloney, these "squatters" are house breakers an should be treated as such!
Absolutely disgusting!! Evict and deport them immediately , no messing!!
Come on gettless CAMERON get down ther and sort it, we are a laughing stock AH too much to hope for got some mates love better option.
There is no such thing in law as "squatters rights", any laws cited by squatters are usually those that are intended to protect lawful tenants of properties from unscrupulous landlords. Forcing entry into a property and committing trespass is unlawful and gives the owner/occupier the right to require them to leave, and if they fail to do so the police can evict them. You are also permitted to forcibly enter your own property as long as a breach of the peace is not being committed - usually though it will be the squatter doing so by trying to prevent access by the rightful owner.
Strangely people still ask why we left Britain
Seems to me ludicrous that the police can't (or won't) do anything. Breaking and entering a private property is still an offence, a frauduent tenancy agreement given by a woman who decieved everyone and pocketed £2000 to boot. Are their immigration papers in order or are they illegal immigrants. If they live on benefits they should be chucked out of the house immediately and placed into council homes. When is the law going to change? This whole thing is a shameful disgrace for the nation. I feel so so sorry for the owner.
What is it going to take for the majority of the electorate to realise that as long as they keep electing governments that supports all these abominable, unjust and unpallatable things, nothing will change.
The UK now looks ridiculous to the world and it used to be such a great place.
What is happening in the UK at the moment. It seems like there is no protection for the law abiding hard working British citizen. People squatting in other peoples property, causing them endless problems, benefits cheats living in luxury while hard working citizens struggle to pay mortgages and taxes. British government get your act together, you are becoming like an African country. In SA we have squatters but at least no benefit cheats living in luxury cos the benefits are so little.
Welcome to Camerons Britain,you asked for it you voted him in-Tony Cheltenham England. Don't be an idiot...the laws of squatting have been on the statute books for hundreds of years....Tony Blair and his brood did a big fat zero.....Kenneth Clark and this goverment ARE doing somthing about it.....you Tony of Cheltenham have a very selective brain and not for the first tme in these posts!!!!!!!
one of the actions the police SHOULD have taken is whether they have a legal right to be in the UK in the first place ? moldovia isnt in the EU so they have either , falsely claimed to be from there , entered illigally over stayed their visa NOT from there and from somewhere else (giving false information to the police) are they working ? if so do they pay tax ( tax avodance a crime) there are a number of crimes being (possibly) at the time the police rocked up so at least one of those should be used to arrest them , appart from thee breaking in fake documents and theift of property , why are these people NEVER fully investigated ? there are no excuses on funding as they cost us millions each so a few grand wont go a miss if it saves a few million , word of warning to theese people as i libe round that way , i have a very big dog that makes no nise ...a secured home .... and i will tell the police i was assulted and ejected from my home regardless thank you
It would be interesting to see how "powerless" the police would be if squatters moved in to a house owned by one of their colleagues.
I can't believe the access to anybody's property could be granted so easily, just with sleight of hands. I wish the poor owner to banish those intruders as soon as possible by all means.
This story is one for the Prime Minister to address, if only to convince his loyal subjects that he gives a jot .
The Police need to intervene NOW in this case, and their Benefits should be stopped and used to pay for the mess they have made. A lesson should be made of them so they understand that in ENGLAND this is not acceptable behaviour. As immigrants in ENGLAND they are subject to the same law that applies to us all. How do these people get in to our Country?? When asked purpose of visit is the reply to squat in some ones home, claim benefits and generally be a pain and have no repect for the law of the land?? All assistance to these people should be removed NOW. How about we all go to their Country and pick a home, any home and invade it!! And the Goverment should get tough NOW.
In the picture the TV is switched on. I wonder if the police checked if they had a valid licence ?
I used to feel some pride in being British, now i feel sickened and saddened by the way our so called " justice" system treats every working, taxpaying and law abiding citizen in this country....They treat us with no consideration and with contempt...Why is is so difficult to enforce a law and giving the police the power to remove squatters immediately?? Is it because fat lawyers are getting fatter off the back of it?..We have enough of our own born and bred, homewgrown benefit scroungers in this country, we dont need or want anymore....I am afraid any sympathy i may have once had for people coming from these countries has ebbed away...I have had enough of having the urine extracted...
WHY is someone occupying a property that does not belong to them considered a CIVIL matter? If they had broken into a furnished house and stole everything in it, they would be arrested for burglary, but because they have broken in and refuse to leave, essentially stealing the entire house from its legal owners, they are not in breach of the law? This is utterly ridiculous, however I really do think the police have passed the buck on this one - quite aside from the squatting, crimes HAVE been committed (breaking and entering, letting fraud) and they should be acting accordingly, not holding their hands up and claiming it's nothing to do with them. It is absolutely disgusting when criminals have more rights than law abiding, tax paying citizens, simply because they know how to exploit the loopholes in the law. Next they will be claiming they can't be moved because it will be a breach of their human rights. Drag em out, lock